Speaker 1: This is how men think with growths like and Gavin
Speaker 1: to grop and I heard radio podcast. Hello everybody, welcome
Speaker 1: to the show. My name is Brooks, like and that
Speaker 1: is Gavin to Cross. I never know how you're gonna
Speaker 1: jump in. I just never know how you're gonna jump
Speaker 1: Sometimes you just don't even know if you're gonna be here.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm not sure I'm gonna be here. That's true. No,
Speaker 1: you always show up, buddy, and I'm always happy to
Speaker 1: see your face. And I feel like we should intro
Speaker 1: today's show. Like as a news anchor, I like it.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. We have a breaking report. I
Speaker 1: like this angle. Yeah, sounds serious. Do you want to
Speaker 1: do it? Not particularly because it's serious. It's a little
Speaker 1: too serious for me. This is a really serious one.
Speaker 1: And it was actually, you know, it's kind of hard
Speaker 1: for me to uh. I think it's gonna be hard
Speaker 1: for me to get funny because this topic is so serious.
Speaker 1: This topic is very serious, super super serious, something that's
Speaker 1: been I think on a lot of people's minds, most
Speaker 1: everybody's minds. We're doing something extremely current today. Today we're
Speaker 1: talking about the coronavirus, which the media has started to
Speaker 1: blow upward. We're hearing about this every single day. We're
Speaker 1: seeing new cases every day, We're seeing deaths, uh from
Speaker 1: the coronavirus, and I think they're making a bigger deal
Speaker 1: out of it than it is. Possibly we're going to
Speaker 1: dig into that today. We have a gentleman who currently
Speaker 1: has coronavirus coming on the phone with us today, so
Speaker 1: we're gonna hear from Carl. We also have Dr Todd
Speaker 1: who's going to weigh in with us later to give
Speaker 1: his take from a medical standpoint on what he believes
Speaker 1: about the coronavirus. But it's something that's honestly, Gavitt's got me.
Speaker 1: It's I don't know if it's got me scared. It's
Speaker 1: got my attention, and it's got me alert. Yourself, you
Speaker 1: don't look that scared now. I believe you don't even
Speaker 1: look too too. I mean, you always look alert, but
Speaker 1: this doesn't seem like it's made you any more alert
Speaker 1: than you usually are, because you're just an alert guy.
Speaker 1: You're an aware guy. You always are aware, You're always present.
Speaker 1: So I feel like guys like you, you're gonna do
Speaker 1: what you think? Are you know, at least the pragmatic
Speaker 1: things that need to be done, the handwashing, the whatever.
Speaker 1: But you're not freaking out. I'm not gonna lie. I
Speaker 1: don't do any of that. I probably do less of
Speaker 1: that than anybody. I believe my immune So let you
Speaker 1: share a sandwich of it at any point. He wouldn't
Speaker 1: share a bite anyway. I believe my immune system is
Speaker 1: a beast, and I just trust in my immune system.
Speaker 1: But that being said, a good thing. I'm not that
Speaker 1: ignorant or arrogant to think that I'm immune to everything.
Speaker 1: If you think that, I couldn't possibly get this. But um,
Speaker 1: I am watching closely. I'm reading on it, I'm watching
Speaker 1: TV on it. Um, I'm trying to find out. Unless
Speaker 1: I follow Twitter. Twitter is a great resource for what's breaking, um,
Speaker 1: new cases in New York, some new deaths. Um. So
Speaker 1: I am very much up to date on it. See
Speaker 1: I fear. I fear the magnification of something through the
Speaker 1: many different opinions of what the news is, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So I just I worry about the
Speaker 1: social media element of just about just about everything sort
Speaker 1: of you know. It's uh the yeah, and I get that.
Speaker 1: But that being said, I'd rather dedicate some time to
Speaker 1: try and UM, and you can filter some of that out,
Speaker 1: like there there are reputable places. There's some people I
Speaker 1: found that are reputable that just distribute facts. Because distributing
Speaker 1: your your opinion, unless in your work, unless you're working
Speaker 1: for the Center for Disease Control the CDC or something.
Speaker 1: If you're like throwing your opinion out there, I don't
Speaker 1: know if there's much validation. I mean, you're probably the
Speaker 1: best doctor in the world, so i'd probably trust your
Speaker 1: great doctor. I'm one of the best. I'm one of
Speaker 1: the greatest doctors I know, so I mean the most
Speaker 1: humble too, but the most humble doctor that I know.
Speaker 1: I do like paying attention to facts though. I do
Speaker 1: like when there are verified facts about where cases of broke,
Speaker 1: how many people UM currently are on record having it,
Speaker 1: Where there's been the latest deaths UM, where the new
Speaker 1: cases are popping up, what's the what's the demo graphic.
Speaker 1: It seems to be older people UM that are passing
Speaker 1: away from the disease. Kids seem to be surprisingly immune
Speaker 1: to it. So just this kind of stuff I like.
Speaker 1: I like paying attention to patterns is what I would say. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's smart. So UM, I can't wait to
Speaker 1: dive into this and I can't wait to talk to Carl.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine finding out that I had coronavirus and
Speaker 1: what that would do to me, And like what he's
Speaker 1: going to when when particularly early early on, Yeah, when
Speaker 1: when we don't have a real understanding of what this is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: without without the information to begin with. Oh man, it's
Speaker 1: going to be a heavy show. Um So Eastern are exceptional,
Speaker 1: exceptional engineer. Here Eastern with a beautiful beige colored sweater
Speaker 1: today he's layered up. It's fantastic, but it's very Irish.
Speaker 1: Thank you. It's going to like a fisherman kind of vibe.
Speaker 1: I like it. I like it. Do you own a pipe?
Speaker 1: Are you a pipe man? Well, when I'm off the clock, maybe,
Speaker 1: I like if you enjoy now? And again said work.
Speaker 1: Do you have an Irish setter? Are you a dog man?
Speaker 1: You know, I don't have a setter, but but I
Speaker 1: can dance a good jig, can you? Yeah? Fancy Michael
Speaker 1: flet dancer exactly. How beautiful some of my faves. It's
Speaker 1: incredible how this podcast went from a news report to
Speaker 1: Gavin talking about um SO. Also, I want to commend
Speaker 1: producer Amy and producersolutely, Um, this is one of the
Speaker 1: first times we've done like a super current episode of
Speaker 1: How Men Think, So I'm really looking forward to this day.
Speaker 1: We're also going to check in with two of our
Speaker 1: other How Men Think, Um, well, Brick, one of our
Speaker 1: co hosts, and then Hannah who used to be our intern.
Speaker 1: So Rick is in Dubai right now, and then Hannah
Speaker 1: is in Spain. She's studying abroad and she might have
Speaker 1: to come back home. Yeah. Also, is she coming home
Speaker 1: because of the virus. Yeah, so apparently all of her
Speaker 1: um what is it called, like other friends at school
Speaker 1: that are studying about in Italy right now all got
Speaker 1: sent back home. There was a no kidding, Like about
Speaker 1: a week ago, there was a town of fifty thousand
Speaker 1: people in Italy that was like quarantined like they were, um,
Speaker 1: it was basically shut down Italy is Italy is Like,
Speaker 1: that's crazy. It spot here right now. So we'll hear
Speaker 1: from her just from like a student perspective, because she's
Speaker 1: kind of freaking out right now too, you know, being
Speaker 1: so young and being in Europe and having to deal
Speaker 1: with us is kind of crazy. Preve bracking. They also
Speaker 1: they also two days ago they just announced the cancelation
Speaker 1: of six International Ice Hockey Federation World Championship tournaments. You're kidding,
Speaker 1: They're just not six Internet i h F World Hockey Championship.
Speaker 1: I played in this tournament back in two thousand twelve
Speaker 1: or thirteen, um, competing for a World champion for for
Speaker 1: World championship, for gold medal. And they've canceled six of
Speaker 1: those tournaments. Wow, that's incredible. Yeah, it's heavy news. So UM,
Speaker 1: I'm interested to see what goes on with the Olympics,
Speaker 1: the upcoming Olympic with this. I mean, but I guess
Speaker 1: before Brazil there was a Zeker virus. Zeker virus, correct, right,
Speaker 1: there was some scare there. So I just there's so
Speaker 1: much uncertainty with the coronavirus. What are the possibilities And
Speaker 1: we're not trying to scare people. Um. Carl is going
Speaker 1: to come on and share his story about being quarantined
Speaker 1: and what he's going through, how he experienced the virus,
Speaker 1: and then Dr Todd later is going to give us
Speaker 1: a medical perspective on the virus. So Eastern queue up
Speaker 1: our our first guest, Mr Carl Um. Mr Carl Goldman,
Speaker 1: who currently has coronavirus. So, Gav, we have an incredible
Speaker 1: guest on today. Our producers Amy and Danielle have done
Speaker 1: an exceptional job, a very current job, and they've got
Speaker 1: us a gentleman who currently has coronavirus, and he's on
Speaker 1: the line with us. Carl Goldman, are you on the
Speaker 1: phone with us? I am. I wish I was on
Speaker 1: the do you here with you? But I think I
Speaker 1: have a less chance of infecting you if I talk
Speaker 1: on the cell phone. Hi, Carl, I appreciate you coming on,
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I would love if you were
Speaker 1: in the studio with us as well, just not today,
Speaker 1: but we'd love to. We would love to. Uh. I
Speaker 1: prefer to speak with people and converse with people face
Speaker 1: to face, so know that, but also know that. UM,
Speaker 1: I know you have an immense amount going on in
Speaker 1: your life and I super appreciate you. Gavin and I
Speaker 1: both incredibly appreciate you for taking the time to jump
Speaker 1: on with us today to share your experience with coronavirus.
Speaker 1: So can you first tell us where you're currently at
Speaker 1: right now? I am quarantined in Omaha. I came here
Speaker 1: thirteen days ago, actually fifteen days ago. Now it all
Speaker 1: becomes a blur. And I was first put into the
Speaker 1: bio Containment Center in Omaha. It's one of three centers
Speaker 1: in the country that was set up during the anthrax
Speaker 1: scare never used for anthrax, and then they used it
Speaker 1: for the Ebola crisis when the virus hit. So I'm
Speaker 1: patient number two in that bio containment center since then.
Speaker 1: Last since I was there twelve days Wednesday, I got
Speaker 1: moved over to where I am now, which is more
Speaker 1: like a single room dormitory in a building about three
Speaker 1: blocks away. This is a huge campus here, and there
Speaker 1: were fifteen patients that came from the Diamond Princess. We
Speaker 1: were all part of that cruise in Japan. Fifteen of
Speaker 1: us arrived here and the good news is there's only
Speaker 1: twelve of us left. The other three have gone home.
Speaker 1: They have not become a statistic fantastic um. I want
Speaker 1: to dive into how about the cruise. I want to
Speaker 1: ask you some questions about that. But first off, how
Speaker 1: are you feeling personally? How are you feeling right now? Today?
Speaker 1: I'm feeling okay. I have a cost still, But if
Speaker 1: this were you know, if I wasn't contagious, I would
Speaker 1: have been back and work at work forty eight hours
Speaker 1: after I hit the high fever and everything. So so
Speaker 1: this I'm one of the lucky ones that ended up
Speaker 1: getting a mild case of it. And it sounds like
Speaker 1: about of the people who do get this have a
Speaker 1: mild case. So you would have you think you would
Speaker 1: have in the first forty eight hours, you probably would
Speaker 1: have missed two days of work just based on how
Speaker 1: you were feeling there, and then you would have gone
Speaker 1: back to work. Yep. Absolutely, Wow, okay, Um, And yet
Speaker 1: yet it's humbling because you know, we just learned there
Speaker 1: are six deaths now in the United States. We had
Speaker 1: six deaths on that from the Diamond Princess. We have
Speaker 1: over seven hundred of us are now positive with the virus.
Speaker 1: So we left a floating Petrie dish there. Wow, Carl,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for sharing your story. Um. Can
Speaker 1: you take us back to the cruise? Can you take
Speaker 1: us um back on board the cruise? Is a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago you were in China, I believe it was,
Speaker 1: Is that what you said? Yeah, we actually never went
Speaker 1: to China. I had bought a cruise on Princess, the
Speaker 1: Diamond Princess from my wife for her birthday and Christmas.
Speaker 1: We flew to Tokyo, Japan. The cruise was through Southeast Asia,
Speaker 1: not going through China. We did stops in Hong Kong, Taiwan,
Speaker 1: and Vietnam along with stops in Japan, and then it
Speaker 1: was a fifth wonderful fifteen days. On the sixteenth day,
Speaker 1: the last day of the cruise, we learned a passenger
Speaker 1: had gotten off. He was a Chinese passenger, had gotten
Speaker 1: off in Hong Kong and had tested positive four days
Speaker 1: later with the coronavirus. The captain doubled his speed back
Speaker 1: to our final destination of Yokohama. We anchored in the harbor.
Speaker 1: Japanese health officials came on and announced that we would
Speaker 1: be stuck there for twenty four hours, passed our scheduled departure.
Speaker 1: So we scrambled and they change arrangements. Everything had full
Speaker 1: use of the ship for those twenty four hours as
Speaker 1: they went through testing everybody day. Then the next morning
Speaker 1: we woke up and we're told over the loudspeaker that
Speaker 1: we were now quarantine for fourteen days on the Diamond
Speaker 1: Princess and could not leave our cabins. WHOA, you couldn't
Speaker 1: leave the cabins. No, we were stuck in the cabins
Speaker 1: for fourteen days. We ended up being there in their
Speaker 1: twelve or fourteen before the US government flew us back
Speaker 1: to the States. How big is your cabin? You know?
Speaker 1: No complaints. We we've got a mini suite, and we've
Speaker 1: traveled with two of our very close friends who had
Speaker 1: a mini suite next to us, so they ended up
Speaker 1: we had our balcony door unlocked between us, so we
Speaker 1: were able to go back and forth. I met a couple.
Speaker 1: I met a couple from Atlanta. They were in their eighties.
Speaker 1: On one of our stops. Their grandson had given them
Speaker 1: a gift of the cruise. The grandson, along with the
Speaker 1: two the elderly couple and a friend of the grandsons,
Speaker 1: was inside an inside cabin, probably about half the sides
Speaker 1: of hours, no windows, no balcony. I talked to someone else.
Speaker 1: They were there with two kids in an inside and
Speaker 1: they imagine that. So anytime we started feeling even a
Speaker 1: little bit sorry for ourselves, we just thought of their
Speaker 1: plight and shut ourselves up. Well. Um, back to the
Speaker 1: original person that had coronavirus, do they have any insight
Speaker 1: as to where they would have got it or how
Speaker 1: that person would have got it, and then they obviously
Speaker 1: brought it on board. It might have been from one
Speaker 1: of the stops you guys had. But have they clarified
Speaker 1: any of that information, No, except they was Chinese so
Speaker 1: and and of course back you've got to go back
Speaker 1: to rewin the tape to January seventeen. When we first traveled,
Speaker 1: the coronavirus was non news in the States. It was
Speaker 1: the Chinese have been suppressing information. And when we got
Speaker 1: to Tokyo they were about the people on the streets
Speaker 1: were wearing masks. So I that was a little clue
Speaker 1: for me to go on Google and see what was
Speaker 1: going on. It wasn't until then that that the media
Speaker 1: started to begin picking up information the Chinese. I had
Speaker 1: had the Chinese been forthright with stuff early on, a
Speaker 1: lot of this could have been contained a lot, a
Speaker 1: lot better than it has been. Um, it's I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's retrospective. But do you believe if you would
Speaker 1: have been aware of it, if that information would have
Speaker 1: been out and present in the media in the US,
Speaker 1: that you and your wife would have canceled your CRUs No.
Speaker 1: I think we would still would have taken the cruise,
Speaker 1: I think all of us would have been a little
Speaker 1: more cautious. And I know it's particularly with the Japanese
Speaker 1: health officials who were amazing. They would have Nitor and
Speaker 1: anyone who was going on the cruise who had been
Speaker 1: to China, so that that's how it could have been
Speaker 1: sealed off. Um So as I understand that Carl, you
Speaker 1: you have tested positive for coronavirus, but your wife Jerry
Speaker 1: has not. Am I correct there? Yes, and that's what
Speaker 1: so boys are so out of the four of us
Speaker 1: now three of the four. Three of the four of
Speaker 1: us have the coronavirus, my wife does not. The one
Speaker 1: who first contacted the coronavirus was our friend who was
Speaker 1: also named Jerry, Jerry Jorgensen. She was taken off the
Speaker 1: ship two days before we left and was convalescing in
Speaker 1: a hospital about four hours outside of Tokyo. She has
Speaker 1: just been released from that hospital and is waiting for
Speaker 1: a flight back to the States, which I believe will
Speaker 1: be a couple of days away. It's so interesting, so
Speaker 1: of the four of you, three tested positive and your
Speaker 1: wife who was with you, all did not. I know,
Speaker 1: It's really just totally baffling. Also the big healthiest of
Speaker 1: all of us was Jerry Jorgensen. She's the first to
Speaker 1: have gotten it. Her husband Mark was the reason they
Speaker 1: did the swap test to begin with, because he's a
Speaker 1: double kidney transplant. He didn't he didn't get the virus
Speaker 1: until after we landed at Travis Air Force Space. He
Speaker 1: did that twelve days of his quarantine and they tested
Speaker 1: him to release him and he came out positive. Had
Speaker 1: no signs of the virus. Yeah, no signs of the violence,
Speaker 1: no fever, no cough, nothing. And has their experience been
Speaker 1: like yours with the illness or were you the most
Speaker 1: quote ill from it? No, the majority of people were
Speaker 1: kind of like me, including Jerry Jorgensen. And do you
Speaker 1: feel great and then all of a sudden you're hit
Speaker 1: with a high fever In my case, we left the
Speaker 1: ship we were on board. It was an experience to
Speaker 1: get onto these two cargo seven forty seven's that the
Speaker 1: military and State Department had set up in Tokyo. We're
Speaker 1: an isolated, isolated part of the airport. We set on
Speaker 1: buses without bathrooms for six hours. That was probably the
Speaker 1: worst experience of this entire journey. And got on the
Speaker 1: plane I went to sleep because we had been pulling
Speaker 1: an all night or woke up two hours later and
Speaker 1: realized I had a high fever. I went and checked it.
Speaker 1: My wife looked at me and said, you're very flush,
Speaker 1: and and I had known from Jerry Jordan's and that's
Speaker 1: what chead experienced. The high fever for about eight hours
Speaker 1: and then it disappeared. I went up to we We
Speaker 1: didn't have any stewardesses on the plane. There were only
Speaker 1: three Air Force personnel, all in hazmat suits. One was
Speaker 1: a doctor, the other two medical personnel. They took my
Speaker 1: temperature and confirmed that it was above a hundred and three,
Speaker 1: and they put me in a quarantine area on the plane.
Speaker 1: There were nine of us already in that eight others
Speaker 1: in the quarantine are on the plane and we flew
Speaker 1: then the rest of the way to Travis Air Force Space.
Speaker 1: I buckled my seatbelt, fell asleep and slept for eight hours.
Speaker 1: What's weird about the virus is unlike a cold, I
Speaker 1: had no chills, no sweats with that higher fever. I
Speaker 1: didn't have any sneezing, no sniffles. The only thing that
Speaker 1: I have had then that started and has now stayed
Speaker 1: with me as the dry cough. So you went from
Speaker 1: the cruise to California to Travis air Force Space and
Speaker 1: then they took you to Nebraska. Yeah, that was a
Speaker 1: weird experience. So we landed at Travis. They were about
Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty of us on the plane and
Speaker 1: by the way, there are about three hundred and sixty
Speaker 1: Americans on the ship. Four it by the time we left,
Speaker 1: forty had already contact at the virus and we're in hospitals.
Speaker 1: Like our friend Jerry Jorgensen twenty stupidly decided to stay
Speaker 1: on the ship and we can talk about that later.
Speaker 1: And then three hundred of us went on buses to
Speaker 1: the Tokyo Airport and to transport cargo. Planes were there
Speaker 1: for us. One went to Blackland, Texas outside of San Antonio,
Speaker 1: and the one we were on ended up at Travis.
Speaker 1: Who stay on the ship, Well, you want that, you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to interview them. I call them, you know,
Speaker 1: part of the stupid ones, because they there was no
Speaker 1: reason for them to stay in the ship. Perhaps they
Speaker 1: had a spouse in a Japanese hospital already and they
Speaker 1: didn't want to leave. But but I know one couple
Speaker 1: that just decided to stay on because we were talking
Speaker 1: to them from balconies, and we said that was stupid
Speaker 1: because the State Department in the U. S. Embassy had
Speaker 1: sent us UH emails that said, hey, if you don't
Speaker 1: get on board, if you don't get on the plane,
Speaker 1: your quote on your own. There's no Yeah, so so
Speaker 1: you that was just a stupid decision. What I understand
Speaker 1: now is I believe Princess has chartered a plane that
Speaker 1: will leave on March fourth, and so that's in two days.
Speaker 1: But then there's no guarantee when they get back. What
Speaker 1: the State Department cit C officials are going to do.
Speaker 1: They may keep them quarantined in additional fourteen days when
Speaker 1: they get back, even if they get on that plane. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: our situation was, once we landed at Travis, we sat
Speaker 1: there for about two hours. Some other people and has
Speaker 1: met outfits got on, they checked everybody, decided that the
Speaker 1: majority of people could get off the plane. So just
Speaker 1: everybody except three of us who were in quarantine, got
Speaker 1: off the plane. So you were in California, almost home, know,
Speaker 1: just an hour flight from home, But then you had
Speaker 1: to go to Nebraska to be quarantined. Correct, And where
Speaker 1: is your wife. So that's a good question. My wife
Speaker 1: is actually en route right now back to California. They
Speaker 1: released her today and she'll land this evening and uh
Speaker 1: get to be home. She's she's been negative this whole time. Yea,
Speaker 1: somebody needs to be don't you guys have a puppy
Speaker 1: or a dog at home? Yeah, we've got two dogs.
Speaker 1: And more importantly, we owned the local radio station in
Speaker 1: Santa Greena so and we're hands on owners. So being
Speaker 1: away now since January seventeen has been a real challenge.
Speaker 1: But our staff has pulled up their sleeves. They've been unbelievable.
Speaker 1: I started writing a blog about my third day into
Speaker 1: quarantine and posting it. Well, that's how I found you
Speaker 1: was through the article I think you did for the
Speaker 1: Washington Post, and it was it was very well written
Speaker 1: and it was a great article. That's how I tracked
Speaker 1: you down because you were so transparent and about your
Speaker 1: experience with the virus. Right and they they you have
Speaker 1: the Washington Post article. We've been been with our blogs
Speaker 1: on KHTS on hometown station dot com. I've been a
Speaker 1: little lighter with it during the humorous side to all this,
Speaker 1: trying to make lemonade of lemons. This is you know,
Speaker 1: this is experience that's out of our control. You can
Speaker 1: only live for the day to day and and take
Speaker 1: what we have on a daily basis. And I think
Speaker 1: that's that's the way I've tooked with it. Can I
Speaker 1: ask you in your opinion, what's the worst part about this,
Speaker 1: the actual illness or the quarantine. I think the quarantine
Speaker 1: for me being away from home and not now not
Speaker 1: even look out my window, and I guess it's snowed
Speaker 1: a little here in Omaha, but night I missed that,
Speaker 1: but I haven't been able to step outside, and so
Speaker 1: that that's part of it. I'm hooked up to the
Speaker 1: internet obviously, my I'm talking to you on my iPhone,
Speaker 1: so I'm still plugged into the rest of the world.
Speaker 1: It's and I have a television set in years you
Speaker 1: can watch the newsn Who is who is a better
Speaker 1: speaking voice? Me or Brooks? Do you know what you
Speaker 1: guys are gonna have to wait. You're gonna have to
Speaker 1: wait for me to get back to your studio. I'll
Speaker 1: give you a full analysis questions. Will Gavin and Brooks
Speaker 1: hug you? Yes, yeah, we'll do the Japanese bowing for
Speaker 1: quite a while. Okay, Yeah, Also, uh, Carl, we'd love
Speaker 1: to have you come into the studio when you're back
Speaker 1: in California to your health. That would be a fingerfoods only,
Speaker 1: no sinks, no pull I will wear my hts have
Speaker 1: matt suit. Gavin is very brave. I feel like he
Speaker 1: might share a straw with you. Carl, would you sure
Speaker 1: a shake? Yeah? I'm not worried about this at all. Exactly.
Speaker 1: Gavin's not worried about this at all. I think it's
Speaker 1: I've been following it from the first time the media
Speaker 1: mentioned it. I'd fascinated, super calm about it. I was
Speaker 1: like Gavin a week ago, and last night I ordered
Speaker 1: a ten pound bag of rice I don't know why,
Speaker 1: a hundred gloves, and I'm trying to get pure l
Speaker 1: but it's so it's literally sold out everything. I have
Speaker 1: some of the house amylium scouching. You can't do that, Carl. Yeah, Carl,
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do when you get back to
Speaker 1: what do you think we need to do? Yeah? In
Speaker 1: all seriousness, I've been recommending a few things. Number One,
Speaker 1: purchase a good digital thermometer, because that's going to be
Speaker 1: the best comfort tool you could possibly have. The people
Speaker 1: who I've been exposed to hear and from other stories
Speaker 1: have the similar thing of that high fever jump up
Speaker 1: from nowhere, and and so if you have the sniff
Speaker 1: almos or sneeze, you don't want to freak out over that,
Speaker 1: and the thermometer is going to be the best tool.
Speaker 1: The other thing I've learned through this and reading and
Speaker 1: talking to C d C folks is this virus, like
Speaker 1: other viruses, doesn't do well in the heat, which is
Speaker 1: a good thing in southern California because it's going to
Speaker 1: get warm soon. But so what I've been doing is
Speaker 1: drinking warm water all the time. The other thing I
Speaker 1: know from the homeopathic side is ginger pushes the body
Speaker 1: temperature up. So I'm doing tea with ginger in it
Speaker 1: and then walking around exercising to keep my body temperature.
Speaker 1: Gonna have to go to Mexico to hear to the coronavirus. Yeah, yeah, Um, Carl,
Speaker 1: I have a question for you. Can I take you
Speaker 1: back to when you first found out that you had
Speaker 1: tested positive for coronavirus? What was your what was your
Speaker 1: initial reaction, what was your like anxiety with like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I have tested positive for coronavirus. What was
Speaker 1: that initial reaction? Like A great question? Sure, Well, when
Speaker 1: Jerry Jorgensen tested positive for it and they removed her
Speaker 1: to Fukushima, we my wife and I. My wife, Jerry
Speaker 1: and I decided to take the swab test there on
Speaker 1: the spot. They came up and gave us swap tests,
Speaker 1: so that was two days before we left. We never
Speaker 1: got the results of those swab tests. In fact, I
Speaker 1: didn't get those those and catch up to me to
Speaker 1: about four or five days ago. Turns out that was positive,
Speaker 1: but I didn't know about it until I came to Omaha.
Speaker 1: They gave me a test. They have a lab here
Speaker 1: in Omaha, so we got the results four or five
Speaker 1: hours later and they told me I was positive. By
Speaker 1: the time I had the fever on the plane, I
Speaker 1: knew psychologically I had the virus, so that would be
Speaker 1: the first time and I needed For Jerry Jorgensen, it
Speaker 1: was an easy situation for her, so I kind of
Speaker 1: felt the same way. I was exhausted and with the
Speaker 1: high fever, I fell asleep, so I I it didn't
Speaker 1: impact me psychologically. When I got to Omah, they gave
Speaker 1: me the test when they came back four or five
Speaker 1: hours later and said, you're positive. I would have actually
Speaker 1: been surprised if I was negative. So I think I
Speaker 1: had psyched myself out the other way. So it wasn't
Speaker 1: that bad and experience. By then, three passengers had already
Speaker 1: been tested positive on the Diamond Princess, so more than
Speaker 1: almost half. So at least a third of the passengers
Speaker 1: tested positive. And when the question when you were by
Speaker 1: the time you were uh, kind of going through your
Speaker 1: your fever and realizing that you had this virus, did
Speaker 1: you already sort of know the statistics as far as
Speaker 1: what the mortality rate was and that type of inst survival, right, yes,
Speaker 1: And and all the macities at that time were elderly
Speaker 1: people with pre existing conditions, so I didn't feel that
Speaker 1: that threatened even the ones in the United States right now,
Speaker 1: the six who have died are all coming from that
Speaker 1: that one senior home. So so again, the other interesting
Speaker 1: thing is today the CDC said, with all the cases
Speaker 1: out there, there's no documentation of young kids having Yeah,
Speaker 1: they say that, you know, kids are a walking cesspool
Speaker 1: of germs and re spewing the cells all the time,
Speaker 1: and they must have some kind of resistance to this
Speaker 1: that adults do not have. There's also they aren't sure
Speaker 1: if you can get a second time. Correct, they're looking
Speaker 1: into that, right, if you've had it once and then
Speaker 1: if you've if you've survived that. I don't believe they're
Speaker 1: sure yet whether or not you can acquire the virus again.
Speaker 1: They're assuring us that we can go many months without
Speaker 1: getting it, will be immune for for many months, but
Speaker 1: is no guarantee, just like the yeah, the reality is, yeah,
Speaker 1: the reality is they don't know that much about the virus.
Speaker 1: I landed and was put in this bio containment area
Speaker 1: that was like a scene out of out of a movie.
Speaker 1: And and uh I they couldn't give me an even
Speaker 1: an antibiotic. They gave me one day of ib profin
Speaker 1: and a lot of Gate and a lot of gatorade.
Speaker 1: Gatorade And wait, are they letting you take pictures of
Speaker 1: where your blog and we will follow at home? Is
Speaker 1: a hometown station dot com? Yes it is, and yes
Speaker 1: I've been taking pictures. I got busted one day and
Speaker 1: I understand that I took a picture of a nurse
Speaker 1: in the in their hasma. The nurses and doctors here
Speaker 1: by the way I've been unbelievable, But being the media
Speaker 1: guy I am, I made sure she was turned around
Speaker 1: so she couldn't be identified. And then and I posted
Speaker 1: that on our blog about the second day, I was
Speaker 1: in the biop entertainment area and and uh, yeah, they
Speaker 1: busted me and said, up, that's a no now. So
Speaker 1: I promised not to do that anymore. In fact, I
Speaker 1: was doing you know. That's so I purposely not doing
Speaker 1: that and honoring their request because they've been they've just
Speaker 1: been stellar. Here did you tell her? I? Did you
Speaker 1: tell her that if she didn't want pictures taken, she
Speaker 1: shouldn't have warned. Such a hot has met suits around you?
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly. Gavin can find the humor in literally anything, Carl,
Speaker 1: literally anything. Gavin, You're such a talented person. I in
Speaker 1: my blog the other day, thank you an original. I
Speaker 1: thought this was an original thing, but I guess it's
Speaker 1: already been done. But but the song my Sharona, so yeah,
Speaker 1: weird ol should be doing my corona. That's perfect. Can
Speaker 1: you maybe before we hang up, you good saying a
Speaker 1: line or tune for me that would make my day?
Speaker 1: How can you tell Carl? No? Is that? How the
Speaker 1: Beatlet me let me ask you a question, a serious
Speaker 1: question that sounds like a joke, but it's a real question.
Speaker 1: Go for it. Will you ever eat from a salad
Speaker 1: bar again? This is a real question. You know. People
Speaker 1: are asking either emailing me and saying, we'll have a
Speaker 1: cruise again, And absolutely I would cruise. Yes, I would
Speaker 1: do a salad bar when we get back. Well, you
Speaker 1: know we're not gonna do that. California hugs and kisses
Speaker 1: will be a joke around during the Japanese bowing. But
Speaker 1: but no, we'll get you know, all of us will
Speaker 1: get through this, absolutely, and at some point, at some point,
Speaker 1: whether it's you know, twelve months, eighteen months, twenty four months,
Speaker 1: they'll find a vaccine for this or some kind of
Speaker 1: cure and this will become a distant memory, like the
Speaker 1: gas shortage during the Jimmy Carter administration. Oh I remember it,
Speaker 1: I do. I remember which you had to get gas
Speaker 1: on your based on your license plate? Aging myself too.
Speaker 1: I follow this very closely. The more I see media
Speaker 1: and watch this, I reminded of the movie Contagion. I've
Speaker 1: been thinking about Outbreak, remember that way. Have you guys
Speaker 1: seen Contagion? And even in contagion. The wife dies of
Speaker 1: the disease. I think it's Gwyneth Paltrow. She dies of
Speaker 1: the disease. But the husband, Matt Damon, doesn't get it.
Speaker 1: Was he immune? He was immune. So somehow the daughter,
Speaker 1: what I'm thinking, Carl's wife, somehow has an immunity. Her
Speaker 1: immune system is just like exceptional monster. Well, look, the
Speaker 1: ship was a walking Petrie dish, as I said. And
Speaker 1: what's so pervasive about this virus is as was the
Speaker 1: truth for me. I went were five days being positive
Speaker 1: because I got the Japanese results back, as I said,
Speaker 1: for long after I was already in Omaha, and that
Speaker 1: also said I was positive. So I walked around the
Speaker 1: ship for four or five three days whatever that is
Speaker 1: being positive. And and uh I could touch touch a railing.
Speaker 1: And apparently the buck and the Germans can live for two, three,
Speaker 1: four or five hours on a surface. So that's how
Speaker 1: the ship, that's how the ship passed everything on that.
Speaker 1: You know that ground zero guy that got off in
Speaker 1: Hong Kong, he was all over the ship. And you
Speaker 1: could touch a railing, go in an elevator, go on,
Speaker 1: you know, walk on deck. That's a movie because that
Speaker 1: patient zero was passing it and passing it and then
Speaker 1: and that's how it just goes. Carl. We're so happy
Speaker 1: you're doing well though, Thank you so much. Absolutely, What
Speaker 1: do you think is like some because some people stateside
Speaker 1: here are really buying into this and some people aren't.
Speaker 1: What do you think of the media coverage and the
Speaker 1: response to this because to miss, to me, this is
Speaker 1: very real, this is exceptionally real. You're a case of that.
Speaker 1: But do you think the media has overblown it or
Speaker 1: underplayed at that we're underestimating what this virus could potentially become. Well,
Speaker 1: I think, first of all, social media is a disaster,
Speaker 1: and there's so much misinformation on there and hysteria that
Speaker 1: doesn't need to exist. I think the media now is
Speaker 1: beginning to do a good job of it as I
Speaker 1: get a better understanding of it. I think they I
Speaker 1: think both President Trump might might parents and all the
Speaker 1: c d C and all the government officials now are
Speaker 1: staying totally on top of this, And you see that
Speaker 1: from the news and the press conferences. We're seeing it
Speaker 1: from the way the c d is operating with us
Speaker 1: on the inside, that they're taking this very very seriously,
Speaker 1: that they've gotten a jump on this, but there's still
Speaker 1: so many unknown answers. There's no guarantee that this isn't
Speaker 1: going to become a major outbreak out there out here
Speaker 1: in the States. The good news is it looks like
Speaker 1: only two of the people getting it are dying or fatalities,
Speaker 1: and most of those are elderly or have a pre
Speaker 1: existing condition. So even with a major outbreak here, it's
Speaker 1: not going to be that horrendous. Accept if the you know,
Speaker 1: if a significant portion of the population gets it and
Speaker 1: two percent or dying, that's a significant number. We don't
Speaker 1: want anyone to be dying. Carl Um, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: I just want to say thank you. I mean the
Speaker 1: the amount of the amount of stress and things that
Speaker 1: you have going on in your life that you came
Speaker 1: on to share your story to enlighten our listeners and
Speaker 1: share some valuable information on how to maybe protect ourselves
Speaker 1: and what to be aware of of this virus which
Speaker 1: has now become very prominent in media. Um, we can't
Speaker 1: thank you enough, and we just want to send you
Speaker 1: all the love and prayers and thoughts for a speedy
Speaker 1: recovery and hope you get back home to your wife
Speaker 1: and your radio station very soon and your dog just
Speaker 1: sending you nothing but love, my friend. We appreciate you
Speaker 1: so much. Thank you, guys. I'll take you up. I'll
Speaker 1: take you up on your offer in the studio, Gavin,
Speaker 1: you start practicing my corking. Hey, I got one more,
Speaker 1: one more food question for you, because you were in
Speaker 1: Japan and now you're in Omaha. Kobe or wegg you um,
Speaker 1: I would say, and you pronounced it Kobe. I thought
Speaker 1: it was Kobe. Kobe. Gavin's Vin, Carl, Carl. Gavin is
Speaker 1: very much a foodie. He's been eating this sandwich the
Speaker 1: whole time we've been doing this interview the entire time.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to tell you the brand of sandwich,
Speaker 1: but it rhymes with a Jersey Mike. Carl, Thank you, Carl,
Speaker 1: thank you much, wishing you all the best and sending
Speaker 1: thanks so much. And we got you, buddy, Thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you. Okay, back from break. That was an amazing
Speaker 1: discussion with Carl. Wow, that was that was so real.
Speaker 1: And when actually going through a quarantine, I mean on
Speaker 1: top of the an illness, like the actual quarantine factors,
Speaker 1: I would have a panic attack. That would be worse
Speaker 1: for me than the actual being sick. Yeah. Um so,
Speaker 1: now I want to we have another guest, he's been
Speaker 1: on the show before. We have Dr Todd with us.
Speaker 1: Dr Todd, welcome back to the show, buddy, Hello, thank you.
Speaker 1: Um so, Yeah, we wanted to get you on to
Speaker 1: follow up the discussion from carl Um to give us
Speaker 1: some insight from a from a medical, a qualified medical standpoint,
Speaker 1: because Gavin just gave his insight on this, on this coronavirus,
Speaker 1: and I don't know how reputable that is, but that's
Speaker 1: why we wanted to have you come on. Dr Todd.
Speaker 1: Can you give us your insight to what you know
Speaker 1: so far about the coronavirus? Sure. I mean there's a
Speaker 1: lot of information out there that people are trying to digest,
Speaker 1: and at this point, it seems like the social disruption
Speaker 1: that's being caused by this is probably greater than the
Speaker 1: disruption to human beings health. It's not to say that
Speaker 1: this is not trying to be a minimize er, but
Speaker 1: when we look at the total number of cases that
Speaker 1: have been documented, it's not a huge number, yet it
Speaker 1: very well could become a huge number. And if there
Speaker 1: were in fact the two to three death rate, in
Speaker 1: particular in people who are chronicallyerly elderly. That and everybody
Speaker 1: in the world was inspected. It could lead to some
Speaker 1: very high numbers the world's population were in fact, it
Speaker 1: could lead to some very high numbers absolute numbers. Um.
Speaker 1: But right now, you know, really what we're looking at is,
Speaker 1: you know, let's say a D eighties total cases that
Speaker 1: have been documented. We don't know exactly how many cases
Speaker 1: there have been me and the denominator could be quite
Speaker 1: a bit larger than and so therefore the death rate
Speaker 1: could actually be lower than two. We just don't know yet.
Speaker 1: That number is still fluid. But there's been a lot
Speaker 1: of discussion of this, a lot of headlines, and people
Speaker 1: are pretty wrapped up. So is it crazy that I
Speaker 1: was totally calm and then last night I had the
Speaker 1: tipping point and I ordered a ten pound bag of rice.
Speaker 1: I don't know why, because somebody else was buying rice.
Speaker 1: Then I ordered pasta gloves non latex because I'm allergic
Speaker 1: to latex and pure l. Like I've gone off the rails,
Speaker 1: Like what am I doing? I don't know what that
Speaker 1: you're a prepper. I don't know if it's in fact
Speaker 1: crazy to be prepared. But it's not that this is
Speaker 1: going to be a natural disass I think in a
Speaker 1: work earthquake, not the coronavirus. Maybe I'm with you though,
Speaker 1: like I'm thinking about this. If this starts going wild,
Speaker 1: I'm going to our lake house and to contained and
Speaker 1: I can fish, and I can hunt, and I can live.
Speaker 1: It's a big sting, Okay, So why is everyone buying rice?
Speaker 1: Is that just so that if we're like at home
Speaker 1: we have food? What is the right? Why am I
Speaker 1: buying rice? I literally just called the gang at show
Speaker 1: time because I was like, I don't know what I'm doing.
Speaker 1: Dr Todd, you know, there are no recommendations about rice
Speaker 1: at the CDC that I have seen that. Speaking of fluid,
Speaker 1: how is this thing spread exactly? So it's a respiratory virus.
Speaker 1: So typically it's spread by aerosol particles, meaning and when
Speaker 1: you cough or sneeze that those viral particles are suspended
Speaker 1: in the air and then they land on surfaces and
Speaker 1: people will put their hand on them and then often
Speaker 1: touch their mouth or their eyes or put their finger
Speaker 1: in their nose or whatever it might be, and get
Speaker 1: a viral load that way. Either might be that someone
Speaker 1: costs your sneezes in your general vicinity, and there's some
Speaker 1: particles to spend it in the air and you inhale
Speaker 1: them and they take seat in your respiratory extract for instance,
Speaker 1: that there was a doctor who died in China and
Speaker 1: he probably experienced an extraordinarily high viral load because he
Speaker 1: was a round a bunch of these sick people, didn't
Speaker 1: know what it was, and was constantly inhaling numerous particles.
Speaker 1: And that's the hypothesis. Um, you just the hand sanitizer
Speaker 1: all over our hands? Is that doing anything? I would say?
Speaker 1: You know, I can't comment because I don't know the
Speaker 1: specific hand fantizers. The Typically, the recommendations we're making are
Speaker 1: that if you were to get on the plane or
Speaker 1: you were going to go to a restaurant and you
Speaker 1: wanted to wipe down the table you were sitting out
Speaker 1: with an alcohol swap and wash your hands before eating,
Speaker 1: that would probably a really good idea. Um, there are
Speaker 1: some recommendations out there. People are recommending against avoiding um
Speaker 1: dense crowded places like subways, but that is not a
Speaker 1: recommendation from the CDC as of yet. Okay, how about
Speaker 1: me up for disease control. And how about what's your
Speaker 1: opinion of people walking around who are not infected walking
Speaker 1: around with little medical masks on. I'm told from people
Speaker 1: that that's simply silly because the first of all, don't
Speaker 1: know how to wear the masks begin with UH, and
Speaker 1: it's not they're not sealing it properly, etcetera. What is
Speaker 1: your opinion on that, because I just get a lot
Speaker 1: of hearsaye from people there. I mean, again, I don't
Speaker 1: think that wearing a mask, a non well fitting mask,
Speaker 1: is really going to prevent you from getting uh this
Speaker 1: respiratory illness um. The mask that me to be that
Speaker 1: really we think do the best job are these really
Speaker 1: tightly fitted masks are very hard to breathe, and they're
Speaker 1: not really incatible with wearing for a long period of
Speaker 1: time or walking around with and these massive You see
Speaker 1: people maybe it gives them a sense of security, but
Speaker 1: I have not seen any recommendations anywhere that those are
Speaker 1: gonna be helpful for the general population. If you were
Speaker 1: sick and you were wearing one because you wanted to
Speaker 1: minimize if you were coughing or sneezing, they might actually
Speaker 1: help with that. But I don't think that the reverse
Speaker 1: is true. And I haven't seen any recommendations suggesting anywhere
Speaker 1: that that is anything other than people trying to assuage
Speaker 1: their anxiety. Because because I put one of those masks
Speaker 1: on about a week ago, a friend of mine gave
Speaker 1: me one. It was black, it looked really cool. It
Speaker 1: made me feel like a ninja, but made me feel
Speaker 1: like made you feel like Baine or feel like Baine
Speaker 1: from the Dark Knight Rises? Yes, Dr Todd? Are you
Speaker 1: going to the movies? And are you going to the
Speaker 1: grocery store? And are you going out to dinner like
Speaker 1: everybody else? What are you do it? Yeah? So I
Speaker 1: I am always finding my tendency to be a minimizer
Speaker 1: um and I'm fighting it in this capacity. So yes,
Speaker 1: I do still plan to travel. I do plan to
Speaker 1: still to go out until I hear recommendations otherwise. And
Speaker 1: people are asking me, well, what do you think could happen?
Speaker 1: I mean, hypothetically, I could go to a destination and
Speaker 1: there's a high number of cases and flights from that
Speaker 1: destination to my home could be delayed or restricted, so
Speaker 1: I might get stuck somewhere. But personally, as a healthy
Speaker 1: person without chronic respiratory disease. My personalness of worry about
Speaker 1: myself is not terribly high. Um, if I had if
Speaker 1: I was elderly with multiple medical problems, multi system, organ failure, etcetera,
Speaker 1: and I was thinking of taking an elective vacation, I
Speaker 1: might think about delaying it. You know, but I've had
Speaker 1: people get real sick traveling for elderly in a time
Speaker 1: when this wasn't present. So you know, it is just
Speaker 1: being around a lot of people and multiple disease papages
Speaker 1: that is that puts people at risks. So I'm not
Speaker 1: taking any travel precautions at this time or isolation precautions
Speaker 1: because there are any recommendations to support that. All right,
Speaker 1: Another question? Alright, this sounds silly, but if this is
Speaker 1: a real question, I always I always ask about food. Question.
Speaker 1: So there are some high end restaurants that fly in
Speaker 1: uh seafood or fish from Japan? Right would you order
Speaker 1: sushi from one of those types of restaurants? Right now?
Speaker 1: I would? I? I again, I mean, just thinking about
Speaker 1: it intellectually and making medical decisions the way I always
Speaker 1: make them, I would. I mean one of my patients
Speaker 1: went to an ethnic restaurant that's notorious for cooking and
Speaker 1: with high salt, and he called me worried that he
Speaker 1: might get coronavirus, and the truth of the truth of
Speaker 1: the answers, he was likely to go into hard failure
Speaker 1: load and he was of you know, developing a viral
Speaker 1: infection from you know, being in this ethnic restaurant. So again,
Speaker 1: I would not have a problem eating sushi flown in
Speaker 1: from Japan or you know, the same respect. Because I
Speaker 1: know this is gonna sound crazy for most of you listening.
Speaker 1: You're going to roll your eyes, but some people don't know.
Speaker 1: I ordered this ring, see this new ring from and
Speaker 1: three of them, big old one, and in the envelope
Speaker 1: it came from the People's Republic of China, and I
Speaker 1: am wearing it because you cannot get coronavirus from a
Speaker 1: ring that came through the mail, right, I washed it.
Speaker 1: I know that you can't. You should have seen John
Speaker 1: Oliver last night doing the funny, weird questions that people
Speaker 1: are asking because they just don't know. I heard stocks
Speaker 1: for Corona beer plummeted. You can't fix about the ring.
Speaker 1: I do not think that that ring is right if
Speaker 1: you wanted to swab it with alcohol I live dangerous.
Speaker 1: Dr Todd, I just wore it. Yeah, Jr. Tod, I
Speaker 1: have I have a question for you. Um, Sure, the
Speaker 1: thing that scares me about this isn't so much the virus.
Speaker 1: It sounds to be like a common flu of flu
Speaker 1: kind of thing. It sounds like most people overcome it.
Speaker 1: So it's not the virus so much that really scares me,
Speaker 1: but it's how easily it's transmitted that really disturbs me. Um,
Speaker 1: do you think that we, and by we, the c
Speaker 1: d C in general, everybody in general, all the doctors,
Speaker 1: the specialists on this truthfully have an understanding of this virus?
Speaker 1: And I believe someone in your practice is an infectious
Speaker 1: disease doctor as well. Do they think that we we
Speaker 1: truly know what this is? Like, Hey, it is exactly
Speaker 1: what it's shown to be, or is this still very
Speaker 1: much unpred I would say that it is predictable. Um.
Speaker 1: It is a novel coronavirus, meaning we know a lot
Speaker 1: about the coronavirus strain which causes the common cold. This
Speaker 1: is a more a typical coronavirus, and we've seen things
Speaker 1: like SARS or MIRVs, systemic inflammatory response syndrome, etcetera. That
Speaker 1: that are related to these type of viruses. So we
Speaker 1: are used to the way virus is spread and this one,
Speaker 1: you know why, it's a little more virulent in inflammatory.
Speaker 1: I don't think I know the answer to that yet. Um,
Speaker 1: but but I'm not I don't know. I don't want
Speaker 1: to speak out of school here because I don't think
Speaker 1: we know everything there is to know about this yet.
Speaker 1: But it's not provided behaving an unpredictable way. Could say. So,
Speaker 1: we had carl On moments ago who was on the
Speaker 1: Princess cruise and he has coronavirus and is in quarantined
Speaker 1: in Nebraska. So Daniel is kind of pulling up the numbers.
Speaker 1: But I think he said there was seven people on
Speaker 1: the ship and three hundred tested positives. Oh, seven hundred
Speaker 1: Americans and three hundred tested positive something like that. Is
Speaker 1: that similar to if there was a flu or? Is
Speaker 1: this spread quicker and stronger and faster? Does that question
Speaker 1: make sense? Or would if it for influenza A would
Speaker 1: that many people have it in close quarters like that
Speaker 1: on a cruise? You know, I I don't know the
Speaker 1: answer to that, because I also I don't know how
Speaker 1: many of the absolute number of people that were on
Speaker 1: that ship. What proportion. I mean, there's certainly have been
Speaker 1: epidemics in the past on cruise ships people in close quarters. Um,
Speaker 1: but you know, seven hundred people have just imagined there's
Speaker 1: both doesn't have fifty people, and maybe it's a couple
Speaker 1: of thousand. It does seem like a pretty high penetration
Speaker 1: that people would you know that people are getting sick
Speaker 1: at a pretty high rate. Let's say it's if there's
Speaker 1: people on the ship. UM. I think, just to clarify
Speaker 1: for our audience, I think I got the numbers wrong,
Speaker 1: But just for the sake of the conversation, let's pretend
Speaker 1: it's I'm close. Yeah. I mean again, there's about eighty
Speaker 1: five thousand or so cases worldwide right now, maybe a
Speaker 1: few more. You know, there's forty five thousand cases or
Speaker 1: so in China. I think I have to look at
Speaker 1: the numbers are changing so quickly. Those are not huge
Speaker 1: absolute numbers, and it's been around since the end of December. Um.
Speaker 1: But I not to say that this isn't contagious. It's
Speaker 1: very contagious. But is it behaving in an unpredictable or
Speaker 1: more virulent way? I don't think I could say that
Speaker 1: with confidence right now, Um, what about this Dutch? Do
Speaker 1: this like the birth of a new virus fascinates me,
Speaker 1: Like how that comes into our world just fascinates me.
Speaker 1: Do you have any knowledge or understanding on how a
Speaker 1: new virus begins? Well a lot of times I I do.
Speaker 1: I do. It's sell my expertise. But there are spontaneous mutations, right,
Speaker 1: that's just evolution that you believe in that which I
Speaker 1: tend to um that DNA DNA mutation, you know, new
Speaker 1: new life, you know, new versions of things happen. That's
Speaker 1: how viruses or humans or any or living organisms evolved
Speaker 1: through DNA mutations. And then the second is that you
Speaker 1: might have a virus that's more common in another animal
Speaker 1: species that then becomes infectious in human mammals. And so
Speaker 1: like the correct yes, I don't want to go too
Speaker 1: much further into that because I just don't have the
Speaker 1: expertise to really everything. And we're all trapped in this
Speaker 1: room and Daniel's coughing, have here, dude out here. It's
Speaker 1: also just being being having the title of a doctor.
Speaker 1: We just like, look at you that you know everything
Speaker 1: that you know everything about all of this. Do you
Speaker 1: just put us at ease with whatever you say. Well,
Speaker 1: I I am. I I will say that I have
Speaker 1: been feeling a lot of questions, and part of the
Speaker 1: reason I was interested in having this form is actually
Speaker 1: to have a somewhat rational conversation about this and not
Speaker 1: to minimize and say I'm not worried, not to say
Speaker 1: that I don't think this is a big deal, because
Speaker 1: I do think it's a big deal. But you know,
Speaker 1: does it warrant lines at costco? I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I don't know if that's the
Speaker 1: right answer to this, UM And I think that the
Speaker 1: idea is that, look, if we are in a situation
Speaker 1: where the diseases spreading rapidly in communities and people can't
Speaker 1: necessarily get the supplies that they need, they should have
Speaker 1: adequate supplies so that they may not have to run
Speaker 1: out to the market for toilet paper or something like
Speaker 1: that anyone needs. So I have a question, right, I
Speaker 1: have a question. So years ago there was not that
Speaker 1: many years ago, wasn't there a version of coronavirus in
Speaker 1: the Mediterranean that killed Actually the more taliate was like
Speaker 1: incredibly high, um and it was around right, and so
Speaker 1: why didn't we hear about that at all, Uh when
Speaker 1: and that was happening, and and the and the death
Speaker 1: rate was so high, but we're hearing about this. It
Speaker 1: was a death rate that's so utterly low. I think
Speaker 1: that this one tended to go further faster than the
Speaker 1: MERV which is UM which is what you're referring to,
Speaker 1: and the r S And I just think that that
Speaker 1: one dwindled a little bit faster. The numbers were declining
Speaker 1: pretty quickly. Like the virus came into bloom. It affected
Speaker 1: a bunch of people that have just sort of disappeared.
Speaker 1: This one seems to be spreading in the community. UM
Speaker 1: cases are popping up. We're not really sure how you
Speaker 1: know it's not it doesn't it's not magic. I mean,
Speaker 1: somehow the virus is traveling and in facting different communities
Speaker 1: and people. I don't know if it's I just don't know.
Speaker 1: I think it's about fourteen days that people are potentially
Speaker 1: incubating this. But again there's probably I don't know what
Speaker 1: the person you were speaking to on the phone before me,
Speaker 1: but I don't know what their experienced with the virus was.
Speaker 1: But I imagine they're talking to you. He has the coronavirus.
Speaker 1: What was his new this is just an end of one.
Speaker 1: What were his explanation of the symptoms, Like he basically said, it's, uh,
Speaker 1: he's feeling fine one day and then uh, you know,
Speaker 1: the next day, suddenly he has a fever, like an
Speaker 1: eight hour long high fever. And then after this he
Speaker 1: slept through it essentially, and it woke up and it
Speaker 1: had subsided and a bit of a persistent cough. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But I mean, I was actually quite fascinated by it
Speaker 1: because it sounded it sounded, or at least seemed like
Speaker 1: the quarantine was the worst part of the illness, not
Speaker 1: the illness itself. So but but of course, you know,
Speaker 1: obviously precautions have to have to be taken, but you know,
Speaker 1: from everything that he was saying, it really sounded more
Speaker 1: like the quarantine is ultimately the worst part of the
Speaker 1: illness if you if you don't die from it, right
Speaker 1: and right, and so there's not a high penetrant of
Speaker 1: you know, like a lot of people are comparing this
Speaker 1: to the influenza epidemic, and that was obviously at a
Speaker 1: different time in history where we had less medical technology,
Speaker 1: we knew less about infectious disease. We had less therapies
Speaker 1: at our disposal. People were living in a little bit
Speaker 1: more densely populated areas, especially in cities, there might be
Speaker 1: eighteen people living in one and two room households. Um
Speaker 1: this one. I do think that the social component of it.
Speaker 1: In the digital age, where there's a really rapid dissemination
Speaker 1: of information, that twenty news cycle, it's hard to verify.
Speaker 1: Facts are kind of from a lot of different places.
Speaker 1: I think that people are, you know, I mean, the
Speaker 1: social contagion and element of this is actually pretty interesting.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you think about it from an evolutionary
Speaker 1: perspective of your ancestors heard about something going down in
Speaker 1: the village a couple of miles away that was killing
Speaker 1: you know, five ten percent of the people, they would
Speaker 1: want to isolate themselves from that village and not let
Speaker 1: people either go to the village or come visit from
Speaker 1: that villa. And that that is a natural instinct of
Speaker 1: human beings. It's about self preservation. And I think we're
Speaker 1: just seeing this on speed basically, like it's happening is
Speaker 1: so fast, and people don't really know how to react
Speaker 1: to the news. I don't always know how to react
Speaker 1: to the news. And I'm constantly fact checking stuff, constantly
Speaker 1: getting questions. So part of that is I think right now,
Speaker 1: the disruption that we're seeing to the fabric of society
Speaker 1: as a result of this is probably more significant than
Speaker 1: the actual illness. Would go on to say that, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe there there could be if people will doomsday thinkers
Speaker 1: are like, well, are we prepared for an illness of
Speaker 1: effects to percent of the population brands among ventilators. I
Speaker 1: think that would be hard to imagine that we are
Speaker 1: prepared for that because it would be so unprecedented. And
Speaker 1: another question, Um, so this is just just for compare
Speaker 1: compared comparison's sake, um so versus influenza, just the common
Speaker 1: the flu as we knew it. Um what percentage of
Speaker 1: the of of people who get infected from the flu
Speaker 1: dive versus what percentage versus this coronavirus. Yeah, I think,
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, I think that it's around point
Speaker 1: six percent of documented influenza. UM is approximately what it is.
Speaker 1: And the numbers for this are between two I've heard
Speaker 1: between you know, I would say one to two percent,
Speaker 1: and let's just say, let's say call it two to
Speaker 1: three percent. So that's you know, a couple hundred times
Speaker 1: higher the multiple you know, four acts of influenza. Um.
Speaker 1: But you know also the number of people that have
Speaker 1: influenza currently is much higher than the number of people
Speaker 1: who have this. I want to ask you one more question, Todd,
Speaker 1: Dr Todd Um. And this is a little bit far
Speaker 1: out there. I'll even preface it with this, this is
Speaker 1: my mind. This is a little bit far out there.
Speaker 1: But I believe the word the Earth has about I
Speaker 1: think roughly almost eight billion people on it today, and
Speaker 1: I believe that we are putting so much pressure on
Speaker 1: the Earth and it's finite resources. There's only so much food,
Speaker 1: there's only so much water. I believe we're just putting
Speaker 1: so much pressure on the Earth and that population continues
Speaker 1: to grow and grow that I believe at some point
Speaker 1: the Earth is going to push back and that something
Speaker 1: is going to always have just believed this for like
Speaker 1: ten years, that something is going to come around and
Speaker 1: just push back against the rapid expansion of population on
Speaker 1: the Earth. And so when something like this comes up,
Speaker 1: I actually get scared. I'm like, what could this be?
Speaker 1: That thing? And this is just in my brain right,
Speaker 1: this is this isn't so this is just a thought
Speaker 1: I have. But I can't see us as humans continuing
Speaker 1: to put so much pressure on the Earth and it's
Speaker 1: finite resources with the Earth pushing back at some point.
Speaker 1: Does that have any relevance in your mind? Are you
Speaker 1: just like Brooks? You crazy? You're crazy Canadian? Huh No.
Speaker 1: I think that there is a natural balance to populations.
Speaker 1: I think that makes a lot of sense. And I
Speaker 1: think that with dense populations of human beings, the likelihood
Speaker 1: of rapid spread of an infectious disease is more likely.
Speaker 1: And as the population density of the Earth increases, than
Speaker 1: the likelihood of spread of disease increases, and it is possible.
Speaker 1: I don't think that this cv I D s v
Speaker 1: I D nineteen is the doomsday virus. But you can
Speaker 1: imagine a much more virulent virus than this that has
Speaker 1: a you know, really that's a respiratory virus that causes
Speaker 1: pneumonia and death. And if that's ten or fatality rate
Speaker 1: across all population, independent of comorbidity, its something like that
Speaker 1: is not beyond It's not beyond my imagination. But I
Speaker 1: don't think that that's what this is. But but you
Speaker 1: can see how something expects quickly around the world. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah, I just I feel that's in the realm
Speaker 1: of possibility. I don't think I'm crazy with that. You've
Speaker 1: been watching too much walking I've never Walking dead, thinking
Speaker 1: about walking Dead, I'm very prepared for the zombie apocalypse,
Speaker 1: but not that. See I I I disagree in some ways.
Speaker 1: I mean, I understand the that angle. I think it's
Speaker 1: an interesting angle, but there's there's a couple of holes
Speaker 1: in that. In that I feel like if we double
Speaker 1: the population, will have twice as many geniuses to figure
Speaker 1: out the problem, and and and twice as many people
Speaker 1: can come like adding to the problem with litter, with waste,
Speaker 1: with not recycling. But I view I view the genius
Speaker 1: and an industry as the as a solution. Um. But
Speaker 1: you know, other guys, you know, what are we gonna do.
Speaker 1: You're gonna throw your phone out, You're gonna get rid
Speaker 1: of your electric car. I mean, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So until we're all ready to do that, which I'm not, um,
Speaker 1: then I say, let's get let's increase the population with
Speaker 1: geniuses so we could solve the problems. Dr Todd, I
Speaker 1: want to thank you for coming on. Man, We're losing
Speaker 1: gab here not not a problem. I hope that this
Speaker 1: was helpful and very useful information to anybody who's listening.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, man, look forward to seeing you
Speaker 1: be well. Thanks a lot. Thanks helpful doctors only wanted
Speaker 1: him to help all of us. That's my point. Thank you,
Speaker 1: take care of good bye bye. So we're reaching out
Speaker 1: to Rick. Rick, we got you on buddy. Where you
Speaker 1: at you there, Rick? What's up? Brooks? I am actually
Speaker 1: on a work trip right now in Dubai, United Arab
Speaker 1: Emirates country. I've never been before but always wanted to go,
Speaker 1: and it's pretty amazing. Actually, then, is it the You're
Speaker 1: right in du buy the city of Dubai. Yes, I
Speaker 1: am in the city of Dubai currently. So I am
Speaker 1: in the it's actually the city that I'm in. The
Speaker 1: area of the city that I'm in, Dubai is called
Speaker 1: the Internet City, which is where all the tech companies
Speaker 1: are located. So I'm working on a job right now
Speaker 1: with one of my clients in the tech center, sort
Speaker 1: of like Silicon Valley. Rick. So when you look at
Speaker 1: your window right now, what do you see. I actually
Speaker 1: have a pretty decent hotel room and I'm looking onto
Speaker 1: Palm Island, so I'm stay seeing the water. Um. It's
Speaker 1: a beautiful country, super warm, it's very pleasant right now.
Speaker 1: But I'm looking out on Palm Island, which is sort
Speaker 1: of the famous man made islands that they created where
Speaker 1: you can buy homes, and it looks like a giant
Speaker 1: palm from the sky. It's pretty cool. Okay, So tell
Speaker 1: me about traveling there. What was it like at the
Speaker 1: airport when you left San Francisco and what was it
Speaker 1: lie when you arrived? And like, we're referencing coronavirus, so
Speaker 1: did you see people in mass like describe when you
Speaker 1: left to travel internationally and when you got there? Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: poem um. So I actually flew out of Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: So I took a regular flight from Oakland to Los
Speaker 1: Angeles l a X. And I came on a direct
Speaker 1: flight from l a X to Dubai. And I was
Speaker 1: tracking coronavirus. I travel a lot for workbooks and and
Speaker 1: I was tracking the coronavirus quite a bit, and it
Speaker 1: was still in sort of the infancy stages that in
Speaker 1: the U S and sort of abroad aside from the
Speaker 1: obvious areas of like China and South Korea and iran Um,
Speaker 1: and right before I left, I was tracking everything on
Speaker 1: like my in the UAE area, and I was looking
Speaker 1: at they had the UAE and Dubai had actually banned
Speaker 1: all flights from iran So to and from i ran
Speaker 1: Um Tehrans especially, and so that was a little concerned
Speaker 1: for me. But when I got to l A x
Speaker 1: Um kind of did my normal, you know, walk through
Speaker 1: the airport, did everything. People were wearing masks, but nothing
Speaker 1: nothing like I would say probably ten percent of the
Speaker 1: people were wearing masks. It wasn't where I was expecting
Speaker 1: everybody to wear masks or every and I was not
Speaker 1: wearing a mask at the time, but everything was just
Speaker 1: a little bit more heightened. So wherever I was going,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm sort of antial anyway, as you know, but
Speaker 1: I was sort of you know, I always washed my hands,
Speaker 1: I always looked for the clean feed, I always looked
Speaker 1: for areas in the airport that maybe cleaning than others.
Speaker 1: And so that to me is more heightened than it
Speaker 1: ever had been before. So I was continually washing my hand.
Speaker 1: I was looking at the people that I was standing around,
Speaker 1: looking to me, what I could be sneezing or coughing,
Speaker 1: like heightened on that side of things. So it was
Speaker 1: it was it was a little nerve Vackum. To be
Speaker 1: honest with you, Rick, how are you feeling right now?
Speaker 1: Being that you're in another country, you're not back at home?
Speaker 1: Are you scared? How you feeling right now? Um? I
Speaker 1: feel actually, you know what? I feel pretty good. Um. Again,
Speaker 1: I'm sort of just continuing to watch the news. I'm
Speaker 1: watching the I'm reading a lot of news articles right
Speaker 1: now and kind of like how to prevent it, how
Speaker 1: to you know, maintain things are really sort of like
Speaker 1: being in check with my body. How do I feel? Um?
Speaker 1: Being here? I feel fine, I feel great. Um. I
Speaker 1: don't see that anybody here is super concerned about I
Speaker 1: mean there, I went to the mall or because I
Speaker 1: had some downtime. Um, there's a really cool mall in
Speaker 1: Durvide where they have like the indoor skiing thing. I'm sure, Gavin,
Speaker 1: you're a skier, so that would be something that you
Speaker 1: would be doing. Um. But I didn't notice many people
Speaker 1: wearing masks. And there was a certain point while I
Speaker 1: was at that mall that I was kind of sitting
Speaker 1: there and I was walking around, and all of a
Speaker 1: sudden they got later on in the afternoon, I eat
Speaker 1: munch there and more people flooding into the mall, and
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, what of all the things
Speaker 1: that are the checklist that thinks of what not to
Speaker 1: do for basically to catch the coronavirus, I was basically doing.
Speaker 1: I was traveling out along are Airline International for sixteen hours.
Speaker 1: I was you know, in ubers, in public transportation. UM.
Speaker 1: I was staying in a hotel, which I had never
Speaker 1: stayed that before, so I'm not sure the cleanliness of
Speaker 1: that or how they you know, it was obviously a rated,
Speaker 1: nicely rated hotel. I was going into large public areas
Speaker 1: which were basically like a mall. Um And so once
Speaker 1: I started to feel that or acknowledge that internally with myself,
Speaker 1: like on the first day, because I had kind of
Speaker 1: an off day, I started peeling it all back. So
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what I'm gonna I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna go out and look anymore. If I had through town.
Speaker 1: I'm just because I really sort of started like I mean,
Speaker 1: I think quarantines maybe a little extreme of or word,
Speaker 1: but I sort of like started quarantining my self and
Speaker 1: just hanging out in my hotel, just doing certain things.
Speaker 1: I was washing my hands every time I would come
Speaker 1: back up from breakfast or i'd have lunch, I'd washed
Speaker 1: my hands obviously before I washed my my hands after.
Speaker 1: I was paying attention to the silver ware that was
Speaker 1: being you know, the plates that were putting down in
Speaker 1: front of me, because I'm eating out every single time, right,
Speaker 1: so I was really paying attention and I am paying
Speaker 1: attention to everything that I'm like doing, and it's really annoying,
Speaker 1: quite frankly. It's it's it sucks because you don't realize
Speaker 1: how many times you pick up your phone and your
Speaker 1: phone's in your pocket, your phone's on the seat in
Speaker 1: the cab, your phone's on the airline seat, um, and
Speaker 1: you're touching your phone constantly, and then you're grabbing like
Speaker 1: a piece of bread and dipping it into the the
Speaker 1: hummus or the able all we're eating it. And it's
Speaker 1: like those all things that because of this outbreak, which
Speaker 1: is very unfortunate going on. Um, I'm paying attention to
Speaker 1: looked on on this trip. So it's crazy, Rick, Man,
Speaker 1: I appreciate you calling this, dude. I know, I know
Speaker 1: you have a lot going on over there, but just
Speaker 1: work wise, but also just taking the time to chat
Speaker 1: with us about this. My friend, I stay safe, travel
Speaker 1: safe and and get home. Well, buddy, we miss you,
Speaker 1: Eastern Uh can you call Hanna now? So Hannah used
Speaker 1: to intern with us, a young lady over in Spain studying,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna get her take on this coronavirus and
Speaker 1: what's going on in her life right after the break, Hannah,
Speaker 1: are you there? We miss you? Are you there? Hello?
Speaker 1: How are you guys? How are you? So? Tell us
Speaker 1: what's happening? Oh my god, it's kind of like a nightmare,
Speaker 1: and I kind of feel like the world is and
Speaker 1: then because everything is so chaotic, like everyone has masks
Speaker 1: on the airport, on the streets, like everyone's freaking out.
Speaker 1: It's just such a nightmare. So, Hanna, you're in Spain
Speaker 1: right now. Can you give us little insight to what
Speaker 1: it's like over there. That's actually not the worst here
Speaker 1: right now. But I flew back from France this morning,
Speaker 1: and in the time that I was on the plane
Speaker 1: for an hour and a half, there had been twelve
Speaker 1: new cases. Because I like refresh my web page every
Speaker 1: twenty seconds to see how many people have it, and
Speaker 1: it went at by twelve people in an hour and
Speaker 1: a half. Thank so, what's the plan? You don't know
Speaker 1: when you're coming home or what's happening. No, so, our program,
Speaker 1: the program I'm with, keeps emailing us and saying that
Speaker 1: basically will be recommended to go home if it reaches
Speaker 1: a level two, which means over two hundred cases, and
Speaker 1: right now it's a little over a hundred, So as
Speaker 1: of now we're staying here um and then if it
Speaker 1: reaches a level three, we like have to go home.
Speaker 1: But our program just has to figure out how we
Speaker 1: can complete our classes or else all the classes that
Speaker 1: we're taking we don't get credit for, and that would
Speaker 1: put all the these kids that are brought like a
Speaker 1: whole semester behind. So our program has to figure that out,
Speaker 1: and they're scrambling and like everyone's panicking. It's such a nightmare.
Speaker 1: How's your how's your little Hannah? Is our little Hanna
Speaker 1: and she gets a little anxious. How's your anxiety about
Speaker 1: it all? Oh my gosh, Amy, you would literally be
Speaker 1: so proud of me. I'd go in elevators, I explained,
Speaker 1: and I and my anxiety has been so good. I
Speaker 1: think I needed this experience to come abroad. And I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm the most chill out of all my
Speaker 1: friends here about the whole thing, because I know my
Speaker 1: parents were so proud of me, and they follow me
Speaker 1: this weekend, so they were like, you're growing up, so
Speaker 1: you feel pretty safe and are you doing any like
Speaker 1: are you wearing a mask or gloves or what are
Speaker 1: you doing over here? I have a mask, Um. I
Speaker 1: wore it like through the airport and on the plane,
Speaker 1: just because there's so many people there, and I have
Speaker 1: like handwipes, but I wiped my hands with twenty four seven. Um.
Speaker 1: But I just try not to go in like super
Speaker 1: crowded places. It was hard this weekend in Paris, and
Speaker 1: actually it was crazy because we went to the Louver
Speaker 1: Museum and then the next day they shut it down.
Speaker 1: They weren't letting anyone else, and because of Corona, because
Speaker 1: there's so many people that go in it. Hey, Hannah,
Speaker 1: so in the US you can't even find Pureux are
Speaker 1: they are they sold out there too? Yeah? So before
Speaker 1: I flew to France, I went to the pharmacy on
Speaker 1: my street to ask their face mask, and the woman
Speaker 1: like literally laughed in my spaceies like there are no
Speaker 1: face masks here, and my parents brought me and my
Speaker 1: friends for from home and now we have them here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so we finally have some facetoffs. But I've been trying
Speaker 1: to get them for two weeks and they're like, there's
Speaker 1: none in Barcelona's crazy. So I've heard that some of
Speaker 1: the programs, the study abroad programs, are sending their students
Speaker 1: back home back to the US. Is that the case
Speaker 1: with any of your friends right now? So s m U,
Speaker 1: s m U and Boisy are the only two schools
Speaker 1: that I know for sure that have told all of
Speaker 1: their kids from Barcelona. And we've been trying to get
Speaker 1: in contact and like call San Diego. But I think
Speaker 1: they're just so stressed out of the year because they
Speaker 1: don't really know what to do right now. Oh my god. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know what I would do. I think I
Speaker 1: would come home, I know, I think I would wait
Speaker 1: until they're like you gotta go. That shows the difference
Speaker 1: between me and Daniel. I'm like, I'd come home. Daniel's
Speaker 1: like I'm write it out well. I was talking to
Speaker 1: my parents about it, and my dad is like, I
Speaker 1: give you maybe two more weeks. But my friends who
Speaker 1: are studying brought in Florence, they're already home, and my
Speaker 1: friends that are in Madrid are like getting sent home
Speaker 1: this week. They haven't until Friday to move out. We'll
Speaker 1: be safe. We're here. Well, yeah, if you need anything,
Speaker 1: and we'd love to have you come start working once
Speaker 1: you've been. Once you've been. The fourteen days we just
Speaker 1: talked to Rick was in Dubai and we told him
Speaker 1: he's not allowed to come for fourteen days. But well,
Speaker 1: hang in there. We'll see you soon. You guys soon,
Speaker 1: I miss you, guys. By who that was? That was
Speaker 1: our first like breaking news edition of how Many Fake podcast? Um,
Speaker 1: I loved it, though I loved it. It was usually
Speaker 1: we have discussions about topics. This was. This was about
Speaker 1: a current and relevant and prominent topic present in the
Speaker 1: world today. So I liked it. I think we all
Speaker 1: need to try to stay away from our potential freak
Speaker 1: out mode. Though with all that info, you know what
Speaker 1: a man m I don't know. I don't know gaff.
Speaker 1: I don't want to I don't want to undersell the people,
Speaker 1: but I also don't want to cause panic. But I
Speaker 1: do hope that through Carl through Dr Todd. You're listening
Speaker 1: to Hannah through Rick that you guys have a little
Speaker 1: more information at least today on on the coronavirus and
Speaker 1: what to do to there for yourself or your family
Speaker 1: and where to find out more information about it. But um,
Speaker 1: next time we do a breaking news report, I want
Speaker 1: to see you in like a suit and tie gave.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm a suit and tie kind of man.
Speaker 1: I got a clip on. You got a clip on.
Speaker 1: I got like multi versions of clip on. I actually
Speaker 1: see you as like a bow tie guy. I have
Speaker 1: a clip on boat ties. Okay, there you go too.
Speaker 1: That's it for this week. Thank you everybody for listening
Speaker 1: to My name is Brooks. Like til next week, take
Speaker 1: care of one another, love one another, and we'll see
Speaker 1: you back here for another episode of How Men Think