1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:04,520 Speaker 1: This is how men think with growths like and Gavin 2 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:09,399 Speaker 1: to grop and I heard radio podcast. Hello everybody, welcome 3 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 1: to the show. My name is Brooks, like and that 4 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: is Gavin to Cross. I never know how you're gonna 5 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 1: jump in. I just never know how you're gonna jump 6 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: Sometimes you just don't even know if you're gonna be here. 7 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm not sure I'm gonna be here. That's true. No, 8 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: you always show up, buddy, and I'm always happy to 9 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: see your face. And I feel like we should intro 10 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: today's show. Like as a news anchor, I like it. 11 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,559 Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. We have a breaking report. I 12 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: like this angle. Yeah, sounds serious. Do you want to 13 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 1: do it? Not particularly because it's serious. It's a little 14 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: too serious for me. This is a really serious one. 15 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: And it was actually, you know, it's kind of hard 16 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,599 Speaker 1: for me to uh. I think it's gonna be hard 17 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: for me to get funny because this topic is so serious. 18 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,279 Speaker 1: This topic is very serious, super super serious, something that's 19 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: been I think on a lot of people's minds, most 20 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: everybody's minds. We're doing something extremely current today. Today we're 21 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: talking about the coronavirus, which the media has started to 22 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: blow upward. We're hearing about this every single day. We're 23 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: seeing new cases every day, We're seeing deaths, uh from 24 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: the coronavirus, and I think they're making a bigger deal 25 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: out of it than it is. Possibly we're going to 26 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: dig into that today. We have a gentleman who currently 27 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: has coronavirus coming on the phone with us today, so 28 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: we're gonna hear from Carl. We also have Dr Todd 29 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: who's going to weigh in with us later to give 30 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,199 Speaker 1: his take from a medical standpoint on what he believes 31 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: about the coronavirus. But it's something that's honestly, Gavitt's got me. 32 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: It's I don't know if it's got me scared. It's 33 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 1: got my attention, and it's got me alert. Yourself, you 34 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 1: don't look that scared now. I believe you don't even 35 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: look too too. I mean, you always look alert, but 36 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: this doesn't seem like it's made you any more alert 37 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: than you usually are, because you're just an alert guy. 38 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: You're an aware guy. You always are aware, You're always present. 39 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: So I feel like guys like you, you're gonna do 40 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: what you think? Are you know, at least the pragmatic 41 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: things that need to be done, the handwashing, the whatever. 42 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: But you're not freaking out. I'm not gonna lie. I 43 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 1: don't do any of that. I probably do less of 44 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: that than anybody. I believe my immune So let you 45 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: share a sandwich of it at any point. He wouldn't 46 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: share a bite anyway. I believe my immune system is 47 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: a beast, and I just trust in my immune system. 48 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:23,920 Speaker 1: But that being said, a good thing. I'm not that 49 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: ignorant or arrogant to think that I'm immune to everything. 50 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 1: If you think that, I couldn't possibly get this. But um, 51 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: I am watching closely. I'm reading on it, I'm watching 52 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: TV on it. Um, I'm trying to find out. Unless 53 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:39,959 Speaker 1: I follow Twitter. Twitter is a great resource for what's breaking, um, 54 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 1: new cases in New York, some new deaths. Um. So 55 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,839 Speaker 1: I am very much up to date on it. See 56 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: I fear. I fear the magnification of something through the 57 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: many different opinions of what the news is, you know 58 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: what I mean. So I just I worry about the 59 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 1: social media element of just about just about everything sort 60 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 1: of you know. It's uh the yeah, and I get that. 61 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: But that being said, I'd rather dedicate some time to 62 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: try and UM, and you can filter some of that out, 63 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: like there there are reputable places. There's some people I 64 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: found that are reputable that just distribute facts. Because distributing 65 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 1: your your opinion, unless in your work, unless you're working 66 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 1: for the Center for Disease Control the CDC or something. 67 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: If you're like throwing your opinion out there, I don't 68 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 1: know if there's much validation. I mean, you're probably the 69 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: best doctor in the world, so i'd probably trust your 70 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: great doctor. I'm one of the best. I'm one of 71 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: the greatest doctors I know, so I mean the most 72 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: humble too, but the most humble doctor that I know. 73 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: I do like paying attention to facts though. I do 74 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: like when there are verified facts about where cases of broke, 75 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: how many people UM currently are on record having it, 76 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: Where there's been the latest deaths UM, where the new 77 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: cases are popping up, what's the what's the demo graphic. 78 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: It seems to be older people UM that are passing 79 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: away from the disease. Kids seem to be surprisingly immune 80 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: to it. So just this kind of stuff I like. 81 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: I like paying attention to patterns is what I would say. Yeah, 82 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: I think that's smart. So UM, I can't wait to 83 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: dive into this and I can't wait to talk to Carl. 84 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: I can't imagine finding out that I had coronavirus and 85 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: what that would do to me, And like what he's 86 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: going to when when particularly early early on, Yeah, when 87 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: when we don't have a real understanding of what this is. Yeah, 88 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: without without the information to begin with. Oh man, it's 89 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 1: going to be a heavy show. Um So Eastern are exceptional, 90 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 1: exceptional engineer. Here Eastern with a beautiful beige colored sweater 91 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: today he's layered up. It's fantastic, but it's very Irish. 92 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,119 Speaker 1: Thank you. It's going to like a fisherman kind of vibe. 93 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 1: I like it. I like it. Do you own a pipe? 94 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: Are you a pipe man? Well, when I'm off the clock, maybe, 95 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: I like if you enjoy now? And again said work. 96 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: Do you have an Irish setter? Are you a dog man? 97 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: You know, I don't have a setter, but but I 98 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: can dance a good jig, can you? Yeah? Fancy Michael 99 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: flet dancer exactly. How beautiful some of my faves. It's 100 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: incredible how this podcast went from a news report to 101 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 1: Gavin talking about um SO. Also, I want to commend 102 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 1: producer Amy and producersolutely, Um, this is one of the 103 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: first times we've done like a super current episode of 104 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 1: How Men Think, So I'm really looking forward to this day. 105 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: We're also going to check in with two of our 106 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:42,679 Speaker 1: other How Men Think, Um, well, Brick, one of our 107 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: co hosts, and then Hannah who used to be our intern. 108 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: So Rick is in Dubai right now, and then Hannah 109 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: is in Spain. She's studying abroad and she might have 110 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 1: to come back home. Yeah. Also, is she coming home 111 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: because of the virus. Yeah, so apparently all of her 112 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: um what is it called, like other friends at school 113 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 1: that are studying about in Italy right now all got 114 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 1: sent back home. There was a no kidding, Like about 115 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: a week ago, there was a town of fifty thousand 116 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: people in Italy that was like quarantined like they were, um, 117 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: it was basically shut down Italy is Italy is Like, 118 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: that's crazy. It spot here right now. So we'll hear 119 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 1: from her just from like a student perspective, because she's 120 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 1: kind of freaking out right now too, you know, being 121 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: so young and being in Europe and having to deal 122 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 1: with us is kind of crazy. Preve bracking. They also 123 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: they also two days ago they just announced the cancelation 124 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 1: of six International Ice Hockey Federation World Championship tournaments. You're kidding, 125 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: They're just not six Internet i h F World Hockey Championship. 126 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: I played in this tournament back in two thousand twelve 127 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 1: or thirteen, um, competing for a World champion for for 128 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 1: World championship, for gold medal. And they've canceled six of 129 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 1: those tournaments. Wow, that's incredible. Yeah, it's heavy news. So UM, 130 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: I'm interested to see what goes on with the Olympics, 131 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 1: the upcoming Olympic with this. I mean, but I guess 132 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 1: before Brazil there was a Zeker virus. Zeker virus, correct, right, 133 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: there was some scare there. So I just there's so 134 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: much uncertainty with the coronavirus. What are the possibilities And 135 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: we're not trying to scare people. Um. Carl is going 136 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: to come on and share his story about being quarantined 137 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: and what he's going through, how he experienced the virus, 138 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: and then Dr Todd later is going to give us 139 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: a medical perspective on the virus. So Eastern queue up 140 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: our our first guest, Mr Carl Um. Mr Carl Goldman, 141 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: who currently has coronavirus. So, Gav, we have an incredible 142 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: guest on today. Our producers Amy and Danielle have done 143 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: an exceptional job, a very current job, and they've got 144 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 1: us a gentleman who currently has coronavirus, and he's on 145 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: the line with us. Carl Goldman, are you on the 146 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: phone with us? I am. I wish I was on 147 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: the do you here with you? But I think I 148 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: have a less chance of infecting you if I talk 149 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: on the cell phone. Hi, Carl, I appreciate you coming on, 150 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I would love if you were 151 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: in the studio with us as well, just not today, 152 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: but we'd love to. We would love to. Uh. I 153 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: prefer to speak with people and converse with people face 154 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: to face, so know that, but also know that. UM, 155 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: I know you have an immense amount going on in 156 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: your life and I super appreciate you. Gavin and I 157 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: both incredibly appreciate you for taking the time to jump 158 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: on with us today to share your experience with coronavirus. 159 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: So can you first tell us where you're currently at 160 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: right now? I am quarantined in Omaha. I came here 161 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:46,719 Speaker 1: thirteen days ago, actually fifteen days ago. Now it all 162 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: becomes a blur. And I was first put into the 163 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: bio Containment Center in Omaha. It's one of three centers 164 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 1: in the country that was set up during the anthrax 165 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: scare never used for anthrax, and then they used it 166 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 1: for the Ebola crisis when the virus hit. So I'm 167 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: patient number two in that bio containment center since then. 168 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: Last since I was there twelve days Wednesday, I got 169 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: moved over to where I am now, which is more 170 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: like a single room dormitory in a building about three 171 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: blocks away. This is a huge campus here, and there 172 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: were fifteen patients that came from the Diamond Princess. We 173 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: were all part of that cruise in Japan. Fifteen of 174 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: us arrived here and the good news is there's only 175 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 1: twelve of us left. The other three have gone home. 176 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: They have not become a statistic fantastic um. I want 177 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:45,679 Speaker 1: to dive into how about the cruise. I want to 178 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: ask you some questions about that. But first off, how 179 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: are you feeling personally? How are you feeling right now? Today? 180 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: I'm feeling okay. I have a cost still, But if 181 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 1: this were you know, if I wasn't contagious, I would 182 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: have been back and work at work forty eight hours 183 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:06,839 Speaker 1: after I hit the high fever and everything. So so 184 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: this I'm one of the lucky ones that ended up 185 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: getting a mild case of it. And it sounds like 186 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: about of the people who do get this have a 187 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 1: mild case. So you would have you think you would 188 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: have in the first forty eight hours, you probably would 189 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: have missed two days of work just based on how 190 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: you were feeling there, and then you would have gone 191 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 1: back to work. Yep. Absolutely, Wow, okay, Um, And yet 192 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: yet it's humbling because you know, we just learned there 193 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: are six deaths now in the United States. We had 194 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: six deaths on that from the Diamond Princess. We have 195 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 1: over seven hundred of us are now positive with the virus. 196 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: So we left a floating Petrie dish there. Wow, Carl, 197 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,439 Speaker 1: thank you so much for sharing your story. Um. Can 198 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 1: you take us back to the cruise? Can you take 199 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: us um back on board the cruise? Is a couple 200 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: of weeks ago you were in China, I believe it was, 201 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: Is that what you said? Yeah, we actually never went 202 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: to China. I had bought a cruise on Princess, the 203 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 1: Diamond Princess from my wife for her birthday and Christmas. 204 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: We flew to Tokyo, Japan. The cruise was through Southeast Asia, 205 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 1: not going through China. We did stops in Hong Kong, Taiwan, 206 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: and Vietnam along with stops in Japan, and then it 207 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: was a fifth wonderful fifteen days. On the sixteenth day, 208 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 1: the last day of the cruise, we learned a passenger 209 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 1: had gotten off. He was a Chinese passenger, had gotten 210 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: off in Hong Kong and had tested positive four days 211 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: later with the coronavirus. The captain doubled his speed back 212 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: to our final destination of Yokohama. We anchored in the harbor. 213 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 1: Japanese health officials came on and announced that we would 214 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: be stuck there for twenty four hours, passed our scheduled departure. 215 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 1: So we scrambled and they change arrangements. Everything had full 216 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: use of the ship for those twenty four hours as 217 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: they went through testing everybody day. Then the next morning 218 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 1: we woke up and we're told over the loudspeaker that 219 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:21,439 Speaker 1: we were now quarantine for fourteen days on the Diamond 220 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: Princess and could not leave our cabins. WHOA, you couldn't 221 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: leave the cabins. No, we were stuck in the cabins 222 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: for fourteen days. We ended up being there in their 223 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 1: twelve or fourteen before the US government flew us back 224 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: to the States. How big is your cabin? You know? 225 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,439 Speaker 1: No complaints. We we've got a mini suite, and we've 226 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: traveled with two of our very close friends who had 227 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: a mini suite next to us, so they ended up 228 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 1: we had our balcony door unlocked between us, so we 229 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 1: were able to go back and forth. I met a couple. 230 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: I met a couple from Atlanta. They were in their eighties. 231 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: On one of our stops. Their grandson had given them 232 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: a gift of the cruise. The grandson, along with the 233 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: two the elderly couple and a friend of the grandsons, 234 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 1: was inside an inside cabin, probably about half the sides 235 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:20,959 Speaker 1: of hours, no windows, no balcony. I talked to someone else. 236 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: They were there with two kids in an inside and 237 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: they imagine that. So anytime we started feeling even a 238 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 1: little bit sorry for ourselves, we just thought of their 239 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 1: plight and shut ourselves up. Well. Um, back to the 240 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: original person that had coronavirus, do they have any insight 241 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 1: as to where they would have got it or how 242 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 1: that person would have got it, and then they obviously 243 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: brought it on board. It might have been from one 244 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: of the stops you guys had. But have they clarified 245 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: any of that information, No, except they was Chinese so 246 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 1: and and of course back you've got to go back 247 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: to rewin the tape to January seventeen. When we first traveled, 248 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: the coronavirus was non news in the States. It was 249 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:08,719 Speaker 1: the Chinese have been suppressing information. And when we got 250 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: to Tokyo they were about the people on the streets 251 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: were wearing masks. So I that was a little clue 252 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: for me to go on Google and see what was 253 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: going on. It wasn't until then that that the media 254 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: started to begin picking up information the Chinese. I had 255 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: had the Chinese been forthright with stuff early on, a 256 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: lot of this could have been contained a lot, a 257 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: lot better than it has been. Um, it's I mean, 258 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: it's it's retrospective. But do you believe if you would 259 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: have been aware of it, if that information would have 260 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: been out and present in the media in the US, 261 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 1: that you and your wife would have canceled your CRUs No. 262 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: I think we would still would have taken the cruise, 263 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: I think all of us would have been a little 264 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: more cautious. And I know it's particularly with the Japanese 265 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: health officials who were amazing. They would have Nitor and 266 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 1: anyone who was going on the cruise who had been 267 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: to China, so that that's how it could have been 268 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: sealed off. Um So as I understand that Carl, you 269 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: you have tested positive for coronavirus, but your wife Jerry 270 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: has not. Am I correct there? Yes, and that's what 271 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: so boys are so out of the four of us 272 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: now three of the four. Three of the four of 273 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: us have the coronavirus, my wife does not. The one 274 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: who first contacted the coronavirus was our friend who was 275 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: also named Jerry, Jerry Jorgensen. She was taken off the 276 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: ship two days before we left and was convalescing in 277 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: a hospital about four hours outside of Tokyo. She has 278 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: just been released from that hospital and is waiting for 279 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: a flight back to the States, which I believe will 280 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: be a couple of days away. It's so interesting, so 281 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: of the four of you, three tested positive and your 282 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: wife who was with you, all did not. I know, 283 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: It's really just totally baffling. Also the big healthiest of 284 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: all of us was Jerry Jorgensen. She's the first to 285 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: have gotten it. Her husband Mark was the reason they 286 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: did the swap test to begin with, because he's a 287 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: double kidney transplant. He didn't he didn't get the virus 288 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: until after we landed at Travis Air Force Space. He 289 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: did that twelve days of his quarantine and they tested 290 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: him to release him and he came out positive. Had 291 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: no signs of the virus. Yeah, no signs of the violence, 292 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: no fever, no cough, nothing. And has their experience been 293 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 1: like yours with the illness or were you the most 294 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 1: quote ill from it? No, the majority of people were 295 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: kind of like me, including Jerry Jorgensen. And do you 296 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: feel great and then all of a sudden you're hit 297 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: with a high fever In my case, we left the 298 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: ship we were on board. It was an experience to 299 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: get onto these two cargo seven forty seven's that the 300 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:04,640 Speaker 1: military and State Department had set up in Tokyo. We're 301 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: an isolated, isolated part of the airport. We set on 302 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: buses without bathrooms for six hours. That was probably the 303 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 1: worst experience of this entire journey. And got on the 304 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 1: plane I went to sleep because we had been pulling 305 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: an all night or woke up two hours later and 306 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 1: realized I had a high fever. I went and checked it. 307 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: My wife looked at me and said, you're very flush, 308 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 1: and and I had known from Jerry Jordan's and that's 309 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: what chead experienced. The high fever for about eight hours 310 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: and then it disappeared. I went up to we We 311 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: didn't have any stewardesses on the plane. There were only 312 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:43,959 Speaker 1: three Air Force personnel, all in hazmat suits. One was 313 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 1: a doctor, the other two medical personnel. They took my 314 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: temperature and confirmed that it was above a hundred and three, 315 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 1: and they put me in a quarantine area on the plane. 316 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: There were nine of us already in that eight others 317 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 1: in the quarantine are on the plane and we flew 318 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: then the rest of the way to Travis Air Force Space. 319 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: I buckled my seatbelt, fell asleep and slept for eight hours. 320 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 1: What's weird about the virus is unlike a cold, I 321 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 1: had no chills, no sweats with that higher fever. I 322 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: didn't have any sneezing, no sniffles. The only thing that 323 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: I have had then that started and has now stayed 324 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: with me as the dry cough. So you went from 325 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:34,959 Speaker 1: the cruise to California to Travis air Force Space and 326 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: then they took you to Nebraska. Yeah, that was a 327 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 1: weird experience. So we landed at Travis. They were about 328 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty of us on the plane and 329 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: by the way, there are about three hundred and sixty 330 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 1: Americans on the ship. Four it by the time we left, 331 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:54,919 Speaker 1: forty had already contact at the virus and we're in hospitals. 332 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: Like our friend Jerry Jorgensen twenty stupidly decided to stay 333 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:01,880 Speaker 1: on the ship and we can talk about that later. 334 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: And then three hundred of us went on buses to 335 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: the Tokyo Airport and to transport cargo. Planes were there 336 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: for us. One went to Blackland, Texas outside of San Antonio, 337 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 1: and the one we were on ended up at Travis. 338 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: Who stay on the ship, Well, you want that, you're 339 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: gonna have to interview them. I call them, you know, 340 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: part of the stupid ones, because they there was no 341 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: reason for them to stay in the ship. Perhaps they 342 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 1: had a spouse in a Japanese hospital already and they 343 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,959 Speaker 1: didn't want to leave. But but I know one couple 344 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 1: that just decided to stay on because we were talking 345 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:48,360 Speaker 1: to them from balconies, and we said that was stupid 346 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 1: because the State Department in the U. S. Embassy had 347 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 1: sent us UH emails that said, hey, if you don't 348 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 1: get on board, if you don't get on the plane, 349 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: your quote on your own. There's no Yeah, so so 350 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: you that was just a stupid decision. What I understand 351 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 1: now is I believe Princess has chartered a plane that 352 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: will leave on March fourth, and so that's in two days. 353 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: But then there's no guarantee when they get back. What 354 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: the State Department cit C officials are going to do. 355 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: They may keep them quarantined in additional fourteen days when 356 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: they get back, even if they get on that plane. Um. Yeah, 357 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:37,160 Speaker 1: our situation was, once we landed at Travis, we sat 358 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: there for about two hours. Some other people and has 359 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 1: met outfits got on, they checked everybody, decided that the 360 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:51,640 Speaker 1: majority of people could get off the plane. So just 361 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: everybody except three of us who were in quarantine, got 362 00:20:56,119 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 1: off the plane. So you were in California, almost home, know, 363 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: just an hour flight from home, But then you had 364 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: to go to Nebraska to be quarantined. Correct, And where 365 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: is your wife. So that's a good question. My wife 366 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 1: is actually en route right now back to California. They 367 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 1: released her today and she'll land this evening and uh 368 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: get to be home. She's she's been negative this whole time. Yea, 369 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: somebody needs to be don't you guys have a puppy 370 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 1: or a dog at home? Yeah, we've got two dogs. 371 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: And more importantly, we owned the local radio station in 372 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 1: Santa Greena so and we're hands on owners. So being 373 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: away now since January seventeen has been a real challenge. 374 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 1: But our staff has pulled up their sleeves. They've been unbelievable. 375 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: I started writing a blog about my third day into 376 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,880 Speaker 1: quarantine and posting it. Well, that's how I found you 377 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 1: was through the article I think you did for the 378 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 1: Washington Post, and it was it was very well written 379 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: and it was a great article. That's how I tracked 380 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,439 Speaker 1: you down because you were so transparent and about your 381 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: experience with the virus. Right and they they you have 382 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: the Washington Post article. We've been been with our blogs 383 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: on KHTS on hometown station dot com. I've been a 384 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,439 Speaker 1: little lighter with it during the humorous side to all this, 385 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,919 Speaker 1: trying to make lemonade of lemons. This is you know, 386 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: this is experience that's out of our control. You can 387 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 1: only live for the day to day and and take 388 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 1: what we have on a daily basis. And I think 389 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 1: that's that's the way I've tooked with it. Can I 390 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 1: ask you in your opinion, what's the worst part about this, 391 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: the actual illness or the quarantine. I think the quarantine 392 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:45,439 Speaker 1: for me being away from home and not now not 393 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: even look out my window, and I guess it's snowed 394 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 1: a little here in Omaha, but night I missed that, 395 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: but I haven't been able to step outside, and so 396 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: that that's part of it. I'm hooked up to the 397 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 1: internet obviously, my I'm talking to you on my iPhone, 398 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,719 Speaker 1: so I'm still plugged into the rest of the world. 399 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: It's and I have a television set in years you 400 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: can watch the newsn Who is who is a better 401 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: speaking voice? Me or Brooks? Do you know what you 402 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: guys are gonna have to wait. You're gonna have to 403 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 1: wait for me to get back to your studio. I'll 404 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:28,640 Speaker 1: give you a full analysis questions. Will Gavin and Brooks 405 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: hug you? Yes, yeah, we'll do the Japanese bowing for 406 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:39,400 Speaker 1: quite a while. Okay, Yeah, Also, uh, Carl, we'd love 407 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 1: to have you come into the studio when you're back 408 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:49,160 Speaker 1: in California to your health. That would be a fingerfoods only, 409 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: no sinks, no pull I will wear my hts have 410 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: matt suit. Gavin is very brave. I feel like he 411 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,200 Speaker 1: might share a straw with you. Carl, would you sure 412 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: a shake? Yeah? I'm not worried about this at all. Exactly. 413 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: Gavin's not worried about this at all. I think it's 414 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 1: I've been following it from the first time the media 415 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,919 Speaker 1: mentioned it. I'd fascinated, super calm about it. I was 416 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 1: like Gavin a week ago, and last night I ordered 417 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: a ten pound bag of rice I don't know why, 418 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: a hundred gloves, and I'm trying to get pure l 419 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: but it's so it's literally sold out everything. I have 420 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: some of the house amylium scouching. You can't do that, Carl. Yeah, Carl, 421 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: what are you gonna do when you get back to 422 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 1: what do you think we need to do? Yeah? In 423 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: all seriousness, I've been recommending a few things. Number One, 424 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 1: purchase a good digital thermometer, because that's going to be 425 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: the best comfort tool you could possibly have. The people 426 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 1: who I've been exposed to hear and from other stories 427 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: have the similar thing of that high fever jump up 428 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: from nowhere, and and so if you have the sniff 429 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,919 Speaker 1: almos or sneeze, you don't want to freak out over that, 430 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: and the thermometer is going to be the best tool. 431 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,159 Speaker 1: The other thing I've learned through this and reading and 432 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: talking to C d C folks is this virus, like 433 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 1: other viruses, doesn't do well in the heat, which is 434 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 1: a good thing in southern California because it's going to 435 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 1: get warm soon. But so what I've been doing is 436 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: drinking warm water all the time. The other thing I 437 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: know from the homeopathic side is ginger pushes the body 438 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 1: temperature up. So I'm doing tea with ginger in it 439 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: and then walking around exercising to keep my body temperature. 440 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 1: Gonna have to go to Mexico to hear to the coronavirus. Yeah, yeah, Um, Carl, 441 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: I have a question for you. Can I take you 442 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: back to when you first found out that you had 443 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 1: tested positive for coronavirus? What was your what was your 444 00:25:55,880 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 1: initial reaction, what was your like anxiety with like, oh 445 00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: my god, I have tested positive for coronavirus. What was 446 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: that initial reaction? Like A great question? Sure, Well, when 447 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 1: Jerry Jorgensen tested positive for it and they removed her 448 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: to Fukushima, we my wife and I. My wife, Jerry 449 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,679 Speaker 1: and I decided to take the swab test there on 450 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: the spot. They came up and gave us swap tests, 451 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,360 Speaker 1: so that was two days before we left. We never 452 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 1: got the results of those swab tests. In fact, I 453 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 1: didn't get those those and catch up to me to 454 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,679 Speaker 1: about four or five days ago. Turns out that was positive, 455 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 1: but I didn't know about it until I came to Omaha. 456 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 1: They gave me a test. They have a lab here 457 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 1: in Omaha, so we got the results four or five 458 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 1: hours later and they told me I was positive. By 459 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: the time I had the fever on the plane, I 460 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:53,159 Speaker 1: knew psychologically I had the virus, so that would be 461 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 1: the first time and I needed For Jerry Jorgensen, it 462 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 1: was an easy situation for her, so I kind of 463 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 1: felt the same way. I was exhausted and with the 464 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 1: high fever, I fell asleep, so I I it didn't 465 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: impact me psychologically. When I got to Omah, they gave 466 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 1: me the test when they came back four or five 467 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 1: hours later and said, you're positive. I would have actually 468 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: been surprised if I was negative. So I think I 469 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 1: had psyched myself out the other way. So it wasn't 470 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: that bad and experience. By then, three passengers had already 471 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: been tested positive on the Diamond Princess, so more than 472 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 1: almost half. So at least a third of the passengers 473 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: tested positive. And when the question when you were by 474 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:45,720 Speaker 1: the time you were uh, kind of going through your 475 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 1: your fever and realizing that you had this virus, did 476 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,439 Speaker 1: you already sort of know the statistics as far as 477 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 1: what the mortality rate was and that type of inst survival, right, yes, 478 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 1: And and all the macities at that time were elderly 479 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 1: people with pre existing conditions, so I didn't feel that 480 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,400 Speaker 1: that threatened even the ones in the United States right now, 481 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 1: the six who have died are all coming from that 482 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: that one senior home. So so again, the other interesting 483 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,400 Speaker 1: thing is today the CDC said, with all the cases 484 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 1: out there, there's no documentation of young kids having Yeah, 485 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: they say that, you know, kids are a walking cesspool 486 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 1: of germs and re spewing the cells all the time, 487 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 1: and they must have some kind of resistance to this 488 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 1: that adults do not have. There's also they aren't sure 489 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: if you can get a second time. Correct, they're looking 490 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 1: into that, right, if you've had it once and then 491 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 1: if you've if you've survived that. I don't believe they're 492 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,280 Speaker 1: sure yet whether or not you can acquire the virus again. 493 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 1: They're assuring us that we can go many months without 494 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: getting it, will be immune for for many months, but 495 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 1: is no guarantee, just like the yeah, the reality is, yeah, 496 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,960 Speaker 1: the reality is they don't know that much about the virus. 497 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: I landed and was put in this bio containment area 498 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 1: that was like a scene out of out of a movie. 499 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: And and uh I they couldn't give me an even 500 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 1: an antibiotic. They gave me one day of ib profin 501 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: and a lot of Gate and a lot of gatorade. 502 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: Gatorade And wait, are they letting you take pictures of 503 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 1: where your blog and we will follow at home? Is 504 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 1: a hometown station dot com? Yes it is, and yes 505 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: I've been taking pictures. I got busted one day and 506 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 1: I understand that I took a picture of a nurse 507 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 1: in the in their hasma. The nurses and doctors here 508 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 1: by the way I've been unbelievable, But being the media 509 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: guy I am, I made sure she was turned around 510 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 1: so she couldn't be identified. And then and I posted 511 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 1: that on our blog about the second day, I was 512 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: in the biop entertainment area and and uh, yeah, they 513 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: busted me and said, up, that's a no now. So 514 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 1: I promised not to do that anymore. In fact, I 515 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 1: was doing you know. That's so I purposely not doing 516 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 1: that and honoring their request because they've been they've just 517 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: been stellar. Here did you tell her? I? Did you 518 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 1: tell her that if she didn't want pictures taken, she 519 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: shouldn't have warned. Such a hot has met suits around you? 520 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: Exactly exactly. Gavin can find the humor in literally anything, Carl, 521 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: literally anything. Gavin, You're such a talented person. I in 522 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: my blog the other day, thank you an original. I 523 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: thought this was an original thing, but I guess it's 524 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 1: already been done. But but the song my Sharona, so yeah, 525 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: weird ol should be doing my corona. That's perfect. Can 526 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: you maybe before we hang up, you good saying a 527 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: line or tune for me that would make my day? 528 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 1: How can you tell Carl? No? Is that? How the 529 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 1: Beatlet me let me ask you a question, a serious 530 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 1: question that sounds like a joke, but it's a real question. 531 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 1: Go for it. Will you ever eat from a salad 532 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 1: bar again? This is a real question. You know. People 533 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 1: are asking either emailing me and saying, we'll have a 534 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: cruise again, And absolutely I would cruise. Yes, I would 535 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 1: do a salad bar when we get back. Well, you 536 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 1: know we're not gonna do that. California hugs and kisses 537 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 1: will be a joke around during the Japanese bowing. But 538 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 1: but no, we'll get you know, all of us will 539 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 1: get through this, absolutely, and at some point, at some point, 540 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 1: whether it's you know, twelve months, eighteen months, twenty four months, 541 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: they'll find a vaccine for this or some kind of 542 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 1: cure and this will become a distant memory, like the 543 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 1: gas shortage during the Jimmy Carter administration. Oh I remember it, 544 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 1: I do. I remember which you had to get gas 545 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: on your based on your license plate? Aging myself too. 546 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 1: I follow this very closely. The more I see media 547 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,960 Speaker 1: and watch this, I reminded of the movie Contagion. I've 548 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 1: been thinking about Outbreak, remember that way. Have you guys 549 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 1: seen Contagion? And even in contagion. The wife dies of 550 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: the disease. I think it's Gwyneth Paltrow. She dies of 551 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 1: the disease. But the husband, Matt Damon, doesn't get it. 552 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,800 Speaker 1: Was he immune? He was immune. So somehow the daughter, 553 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 1: what I'm thinking, Carl's wife, somehow has an immunity. Her 554 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 1: immune system is just like exceptional monster. Well, look, the 555 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 1: ship was a walking Petrie dish, as I said. And 556 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 1: what's so pervasive about this virus is as was the 557 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: truth for me. I went were five days being positive 558 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 1: because I got the Japanese results back, as I said, 559 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: for long after I was already in Omaha, and that 560 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 1: also said I was positive. So I walked around the 561 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 1: ship for four or five three days whatever that is 562 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: being positive. And and uh I could touch touch a railing. 563 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: And apparently the buck and the Germans can live for two, three, 564 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 1: four or five hours on a surface. So that's how 565 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 1: the ship, that's how the ship passed everything on that. 566 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 1: You know that ground zero guy that got off in 567 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 1: Hong Kong, he was all over the ship. And you 568 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 1: could touch a railing, go in an elevator, go on, 569 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: you know, walk on deck. That's a movie because that 570 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: patient zero was passing it and passing it and then 571 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 1: and that's how it just goes. Carl. We're so happy 572 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 1: you're doing well though, Thank you so much. Absolutely, What 573 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: do you think is like some because some people stateside 574 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: here are really buying into this and some people aren't. 575 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 1: What do you think of the media coverage and the 576 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: response to this because to miss, to me, this is 577 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 1: very real, this is exceptionally real. You're a case of that. 578 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 1: But do you think the media has overblown it or 579 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 1: underplayed at that we're underestimating what this virus could potentially become. Well, 580 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 1: I think, first of all, social media is a disaster, 581 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 1: and there's so much misinformation on there and hysteria that 582 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 1: doesn't need to exist. I think the media now is 583 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,800 Speaker 1: beginning to do a good job of it as I 584 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,359 Speaker 1: get a better understanding of it. I think they I 585 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 1: think both President Trump might might parents and all the 586 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: c d C and all the government officials now are 587 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,279 Speaker 1: staying totally on top of this, And you see that 588 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,400 Speaker 1: from the news and the press conferences. We're seeing it 589 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 1: from the way the c d is operating with us 590 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,759 Speaker 1: on the inside, that they're taking this very very seriously, 591 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 1: that they've gotten a jump on this, but there's still 592 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 1: so many unknown answers. There's no guarantee that this isn't 593 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 1: going to become a major outbreak out there out here 594 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 1: in the States. The good news is it looks like 595 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 1: only two of the people getting it are dying or fatalities, 596 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 1: and most of those are elderly or have a pre 597 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:27,479 Speaker 1: existing condition. So even with a major outbreak here, it's 598 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,880 Speaker 1: not going to be that horrendous. Accept if the you know, 599 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 1: if a significant portion of the population gets it and 600 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 1: two percent or dying, that's a significant number. We don't 601 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:41,879 Speaker 1: want anyone to be dying. Carl Um, thank you so much. 602 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 1: I just want to say thank you. I mean the 603 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:45,759 Speaker 1: the amount of the amount of stress and things that 604 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 1: you have going on in your life that you came 605 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 1: on to share your story to enlighten our listeners and 606 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 1: share some valuable information on how to maybe protect ourselves 607 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 1: and what to be aware of of this virus which 608 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:58,479 Speaker 1: has now become very prominent in media. Um, we can't 609 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 1: thank you enough, and we just want to send you 610 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 1: all the love and prayers and thoughts for a speedy 611 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 1: recovery and hope you get back home to your wife 612 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,319 Speaker 1: and your radio station very soon and your dog just 613 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 1: sending you nothing but love, my friend. We appreciate you 614 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 1: so much. Thank you, guys. I'll take you up. I'll 615 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 1: take you up on your offer in the studio, Gavin, 616 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:21,160 Speaker 1: you start practicing my corking. Hey, I got one more, 617 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,719 Speaker 1: one more food question for you, because you were in 618 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:31,840 Speaker 1: Japan and now you're in Omaha. Kobe or wegg you um, 619 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:39,319 Speaker 1: I would say, and you pronounced it Kobe. I thought 620 00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 1: it was Kobe. Kobe. Gavin's Vin, Carl, Carl. Gavin is 621 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 1: very much a foodie. He's been eating this sandwich the 622 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,919 Speaker 1: whole time we've been doing this interview the entire time. 623 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 1: I'm not going to tell you the brand of sandwich, 624 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 1: but it rhymes with a Jersey Mike. Carl, Thank you, Carl, 625 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,880 Speaker 1: thank you much, wishing you all the best and sending 626 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:08,800 Speaker 1: thanks so much. And we got you, buddy, Thank you, 627 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:17,880 Speaker 1: thank you. Okay, back from break. That was an amazing 628 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,919 Speaker 1: discussion with Carl. Wow, that was that was so real. 629 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,520 Speaker 1: And when actually going through a quarantine, I mean on 630 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,560 Speaker 1: top of the an illness, like the actual quarantine factors, 631 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,320 Speaker 1: I would have a panic attack. That would be worse 632 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:35,000 Speaker 1: for me than the actual being sick. Yeah. Um so, 633 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:36,759 Speaker 1: now I want to we have another guest, he's been 634 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,879 Speaker 1: on the show before. We have Dr Todd with us. 635 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,600 Speaker 1: Dr Todd, welcome back to the show, buddy, Hello, thank you. 636 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,400 Speaker 1: Um so, Yeah, we wanted to get you on to 637 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,480 Speaker 1: follow up the discussion from carl Um to give us 638 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 1: some insight from a from a medical, a qualified medical standpoint, 639 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,719 Speaker 1: because Gavin just gave his insight on this, on this coronavirus, 640 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,960 Speaker 1: and I don't know how reputable that is, but that's 641 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:02,919 Speaker 1: why we wanted to have you come on. Dr Todd. 642 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,520 Speaker 1: Can you give us your insight to what you know 643 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:10,840 Speaker 1: so far about the coronavirus? Sure. I mean there's a 644 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,320 Speaker 1: lot of information out there that people are trying to digest, 645 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 1: and at this point, it seems like the social disruption 646 00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 1: that's being caused by this is probably greater than the 647 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,839 Speaker 1: disruption to human beings health. It's not to say that 648 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 1: this is not trying to be a minimize er, but 649 00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,840 Speaker 1: when we look at the total number of cases that 650 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:35,719 Speaker 1: have been documented, it's not a huge number, yet it 651 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,319 Speaker 1: very well could become a huge number. And if there 652 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,000 Speaker 1: were in fact the two to three death rate, in 653 00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:46,880 Speaker 1: particular in people who are chronicallyerly elderly. That and everybody 654 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:48,640 Speaker 1: in the world was inspected. It could lead to some 655 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,920 Speaker 1: very high numbers the world's population were in fact, it 656 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:57,280 Speaker 1: could lead to some very high numbers absolute numbers. Um. 657 00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,520 Speaker 1: But right now, you know, really what we're looking at is, 658 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:05,040 Speaker 1: you know, let's say a D eighties total cases that 659 00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 1: have been documented. We don't know exactly how many cases 660 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,239 Speaker 1: there have been me and the denominator could be quite 661 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:15,080 Speaker 1: a bit larger than and so therefore the death rate 662 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:19,080 Speaker 1: could actually be lower than two. We just don't know yet. 663 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,840 Speaker 1: That number is still fluid. But there's been a lot 664 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,000 Speaker 1: of discussion of this, a lot of headlines, and people 665 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,400 Speaker 1: are pretty wrapped up. So is it crazy that I 666 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 1: was totally calm and then last night I had the 667 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,319 Speaker 1: tipping point and I ordered a ten pound bag of rice. 668 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,200 Speaker 1: I don't know why, because somebody else was buying rice. 669 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:41,840 Speaker 1: Then I ordered pasta gloves non latex because I'm allergic 670 00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:46,680 Speaker 1: to latex and pure l. Like I've gone off the rails, 671 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,480 Speaker 1: Like what am I doing? I don't know what that 672 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,840 Speaker 1: you're a prepper. I don't know if it's in fact 673 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:58,560 Speaker 1: crazy to be prepared. But it's not that this is 674 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:02,200 Speaker 1: going to be a natural disass I think in a 675 00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:10,279 Speaker 1: work earthquake, not the coronavirus. Maybe I'm with you though, 676 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,480 Speaker 1: like I'm thinking about this. If this starts going wild, 677 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:17,120 Speaker 1: I'm going to our lake house and to contained and 678 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,120 Speaker 1: I can fish, and I can hunt, and I can live. 679 00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,319 Speaker 1: It's a big sting, Okay, So why is everyone buying rice? 680 00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:27,360 Speaker 1: Is that just so that if we're like at home 681 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,319 Speaker 1: we have food? What is the right? Why am I 682 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,319 Speaker 1: buying rice? I literally just called the gang at show 683 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,319 Speaker 1: time because I was like, I don't know what I'm doing. 684 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:38,919 Speaker 1: Dr Todd, you know, there are no recommendations about rice 685 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,760 Speaker 1: at the CDC that I have seen that. Speaking of fluid, 686 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:49,320 Speaker 1: how is this thing spread exactly? So it's a respiratory virus. 687 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:54,160 Speaker 1: So typically it's spread by aerosol particles, meaning and when 688 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:58,960 Speaker 1: you cough or sneeze that those viral particles are suspended 689 00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:03,799 Speaker 1: in the air and then they land on surfaces and 690 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,400 Speaker 1: people will put their hand on them and then often 691 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,520 Speaker 1: touch their mouth or their eyes or put their finger 692 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,160 Speaker 1: in their nose or whatever it might be, and get 693 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,480 Speaker 1: a viral load that way. Either might be that someone 694 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,799 Speaker 1: costs your sneezes in your general vicinity, and there's some 695 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:19,880 Speaker 1: particles to spend it in the air and you inhale 696 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,720 Speaker 1: them and they take seat in your respiratory extract for instance, 697 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,880 Speaker 1: that there was a doctor who died in China and 698 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,480 Speaker 1: he probably experienced an extraordinarily high viral load because he 699 00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:31,359 Speaker 1: was a round a bunch of these sick people, didn't 700 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:35,200 Speaker 1: know what it was, and was constantly inhaling numerous particles. 701 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:41,000 Speaker 1: And that's the hypothesis. Um, you just the hand sanitizer 702 00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:46,680 Speaker 1: all over our hands? Is that doing anything? I would say? 703 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,960 Speaker 1: You know, I can't comment because I don't know the 704 00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:53,200 Speaker 1: specific hand fantizers. The Typically, the recommendations we're making are 705 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,400 Speaker 1: that if you were to get on the plane or 706 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:56,960 Speaker 1: you were going to go to a restaurant and you 707 00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,839 Speaker 1: wanted to wipe down the table you were sitting out 708 00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,280 Speaker 1: with an alcohol swap and wash your hands before eating, 709 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,239 Speaker 1: that would probably a really good idea. Um, there are 710 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:10,080 Speaker 1: some recommendations out there. People are recommending against avoiding um 711 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,920 Speaker 1: dense crowded places like subways, but that is not a 712 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,319 Speaker 1: recommendation from the CDC as of yet. Okay, how about 713 00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:22,359 Speaker 1: me up for disease control. And how about what's your 714 00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:26,480 Speaker 1: opinion of people walking around who are not infected walking 715 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,960 Speaker 1: around with little medical masks on. I'm told from people 716 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,439 Speaker 1: that that's simply silly because the first of all, don't 717 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,160 Speaker 1: know how to wear the masks begin with UH, and 718 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,360 Speaker 1: it's not they're not sealing it properly, etcetera. What is 719 00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,799 Speaker 1: your opinion on that, because I just get a lot 720 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:46,840 Speaker 1: of hearsaye from people there. I mean, again, I don't 721 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:51,920 Speaker 1: think that wearing a mask, a non well fitting mask, 722 00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:56,440 Speaker 1: is really going to prevent you from getting uh this 723 00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:00,880 Speaker 1: respiratory illness um. The mask that me to be that 724 00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:04,200 Speaker 1: really we think do the best job are these really 725 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,799 Speaker 1: tightly fitted masks are very hard to breathe, and they're 726 00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,759 Speaker 1: not really incatible with wearing for a long period of 727 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,879 Speaker 1: time or walking around with and these massive You see 728 00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,239 Speaker 1: people maybe it gives them a sense of security, but 729 00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,640 Speaker 1: I have not seen any recommendations anywhere that those are 730 00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,000 Speaker 1: gonna be helpful for the general population. If you were 731 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,239 Speaker 1: sick and you were wearing one because you wanted to 732 00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:27,200 Speaker 1: minimize if you were coughing or sneezing, they might actually 733 00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:31,280 Speaker 1: help with that. But I don't think that the reverse 734 00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,160 Speaker 1: is true. And I haven't seen any recommendations suggesting anywhere 735 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,440 Speaker 1: that that is anything other than people trying to assuage 736 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,480 Speaker 1: their anxiety. Because because I put one of those masks 737 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:42,680 Speaker 1: on about a week ago, a friend of mine gave 738 00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,520 Speaker 1: me one. It was black, it looked really cool. It 739 00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,399 Speaker 1: made me feel like a ninja, but made me feel 740 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,360 Speaker 1: like made you feel like Baine or feel like Baine 741 00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,080 Speaker 1: from the Dark Knight Rises? Yes, Dr Todd? Are you 742 00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,000 Speaker 1: going to the movies? And are you going to the 743 00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,480 Speaker 1: grocery store? And are you going out to dinner like 744 00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:03,840 Speaker 1: everybody else? What are you do it? Yeah? So I 745 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:07,040 Speaker 1: I am always finding my tendency to be a minimizer 746 00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:11,680 Speaker 1: um and I'm fighting it in this capacity. So yes, 747 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,120 Speaker 1: I do still plan to travel. I do plan to 748 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:18,799 Speaker 1: still to go out until I hear recommendations otherwise. And 749 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,280 Speaker 1: people are asking me, well, what do you think could happen? 750 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:25,520 Speaker 1: I mean, hypothetically, I could go to a destination and 751 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:29,440 Speaker 1: there's a high number of cases and flights from that 752 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:34,279 Speaker 1: destination to my home could be delayed or restricted, so 753 00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:38,600 Speaker 1: I might get stuck somewhere. But personally, as a healthy 754 00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:43,520 Speaker 1: person without chronic respiratory disease. My personalness of worry about 755 00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:47,759 Speaker 1: myself is not terribly high. Um, if I had if 756 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,920 Speaker 1: I was elderly with multiple medical problems, multi system, organ failure, etcetera, 757 00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,520 Speaker 1: and I was thinking of taking an elective vacation, I 758 00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,680 Speaker 1: might think about delaying it. You know, but I've had 759 00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:01,200 Speaker 1: people get real sick traveling for elderly in a time 760 00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,279 Speaker 1: when this wasn't present. So you know, it is just 761 00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,799 Speaker 1: being around a lot of people and multiple disease papages 762 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:09,799 Speaker 1: that is that puts people at risks. So I'm not 763 00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:14,480 Speaker 1: taking any travel precautions at this time or isolation precautions 764 00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,359 Speaker 1: because there are any recommendations to support that. All right, 765 00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,080 Speaker 1: Another question? Alright, this sounds silly, but if this is 766 00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:24,720 Speaker 1: a real question, I always I always ask about food. Question. 767 00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:29,160 Speaker 1: So there are some high end restaurants that fly in 768 00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:35,160 Speaker 1: uh seafood or fish from Japan? Right would you order 769 00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,080 Speaker 1: sushi from one of those types of restaurants? Right now? 770 00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,120 Speaker 1: I would? I? I again, I mean, just thinking about 771 00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,680 Speaker 1: it intellectually and making medical decisions the way I always 772 00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,719 Speaker 1: make them, I would. I mean one of my patients 773 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,560 Speaker 1: went to an ethnic restaurant that's notorious for cooking and 774 00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:55,719 Speaker 1: with high salt, and he called me worried that he 775 00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,040 Speaker 1: might get coronavirus, and the truth of the truth of 776 00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,240 Speaker 1: the answers, he was likely to go into hard failure 777 00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:06,360 Speaker 1: load and he was of you know, developing a viral 778 00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:11,600 Speaker 1: infection from you know, being in this ethnic restaurant. So again, 779 00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:16,040 Speaker 1: I would not have a problem eating sushi flown in 780 00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:22,960 Speaker 1: from Japan or you know, the same respect. Because I 781 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,200 Speaker 1: know this is gonna sound crazy for most of you listening. 782 00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,920 Speaker 1: You're going to roll your eyes, but some people don't know. 783 00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,080 Speaker 1: I ordered this ring, see this new ring from and 784 00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,360 Speaker 1: three of them, big old one, and in the envelope 785 00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:39,200 Speaker 1: it came from the People's Republic of China, and I 786 00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,920 Speaker 1: am wearing it because you cannot get coronavirus from a 787 00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,440 Speaker 1: ring that came through the mail, right, I washed it. 788 00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,560 Speaker 1: I know that you can't. You should have seen John 789 00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,439 Speaker 1: Oliver last night doing the funny, weird questions that people 790 00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,960 Speaker 1: are asking because they just don't know. I heard stocks 791 00:46:56,040 --> 00:47:03,279 Speaker 1: for Corona beer plummeted. You can't fix about the ring. 792 00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:08,400 Speaker 1: I do not think that that ring is right if 793 00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,600 Speaker 1: you wanted to swab it with alcohol I live dangerous. 794 00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:16,000 Speaker 1: Dr Todd, I just wore it. Yeah, Jr. Tod, I 795 00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,000 Speaker 1: have I have a question for you. Um, Sure, the 796 00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:22,840 Speaker 1: thing that scares me about this isn't so much the virus. 797 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:24,879 Speaker 1: It sounds to be like a common flu of flu 798 00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,920 Speaker 1: kind of thing. It sounds like most people overcome it. 799 00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:31,000 Speaker 1: So it's not the virus so much that really scares me, 800 00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:37,239 Speaker 1: but it's how easily it's transmitted that really disturbs me. Um, 801 00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:41,080 Speaker 1: do you think that we, and by we, the c 802 00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,760 Speaker 1: d C in general, everybody in general, all the doctors, 803 00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:48,160 Speaker 1: the specialists on this truthfully have an understanding of this virus? 804 00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,799 Speaker 1: And I believe someone in your practice is an infectious 805 00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,759 Speaker 1: disease doctor as well. Do they think that we we 806 00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,640 Speaker 1: truly know what this is? Like, Hey, it is exactly 807 00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:59,279 Speaker 1: what it's shown to be, or is this still very 808 00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:05,359 Speaker 1: much unpred I would say that it is predictable. Um. 809 00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,560 Speaker 1: It is a novel coronavirus, meaning we know a lot 810 00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,319 Speaker 1: about the coronavirus strain which causes the common cold. This 811 00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:15,960 Speaker 1: is a more a typical coronavirus, and we've seen things 812 00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:20,960 Speaker 1: like SARS or MIRVs, systemic inflammatory response syndrome, etcetera. That 813 00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,799 Speaker 1: that are related to these type of viruses. So we 814 00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:28,799 Speaker 1: are used to the way virus is spread and this one, 815 00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,280 Speaker 1: you know why, it's a little more virulent in inflammatory. 816 00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:36,080 Speaker 1: I don't think I know the answer to that yet. Um, 817 00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:40,520 Speaker 1: but but I'm not I don't know. I don't want 818 00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,960 Speaker 1: to speak out of school here because I don't think 819 00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,080 Speaker 1: we know everything there is to know about this yet. 820 00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:49,800 Speaker 1: But it's not provided behaving an unpredictable way. Could say. So, 821 00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,040 Speaker 1: we had carl On moments ago who was on the 822 00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:56,520 Speaker 1: Princess cruise and he has coronavirus and is in quarantined 823 00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,640 Speaker 1: in Nebraska. So Daniel is kind of pulling up the numbers. 824 00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:01,759 Speaker 1: But I think he said there was seven people on 825 00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:06,600 Speaker 1: the ship and three hundred tested positives. Oh, seven hundred 826 00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,360 Speaker 1: Americans and three hundred tested positive something like that. Is 827 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:13,480 Speaker 1: that similar to if there was a flu or? Is 828 00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:17,680 Speaker 1: this spread quicker and stronger and faster? Does that question 829 00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:22,040 Speaker 1: make sense? Or would if it for influenza A would 830 00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,719 Speaker 1: that many people have it in close quarters like that 831 00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:28,920 Speaker 1: on a cruise? You know, I I don't know the 832 00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,200 Speaker 1: answer to that, because I also I don't know how 833 00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,279 Speaker 1: many of the absolute number of people that were on 834 00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,600 Speaker 1: that ship. What proportion. I mean, there's certainly have been 835 00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:40,160 Speaker 1: epidemics in the past on cruise ships people in close quarters. Um, 836 00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,520 Speaker 1: but you know, seven hundred people have just imagined there's 837 00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,759 Speaker 1: both doesn't have fifty people, and maybe it's a couple 838 00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,680 Speaker 1: of thousand. It does seem like a pretty high penetration 839 00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,319 Speaker 1: that people would you know that people are getting sick 840 00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,879 Speaker 1: at a pretty high rate. Let's say it's if there's 841 00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,560 Speaker 1: people on the ship. UM. I think, just to clarify 842 00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:01,520 Speaker 1: for our audience, I think I got the numbers wrong, 843 00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,000 Speaker 1: But just for the sake of the conversation, let's pretend 844 00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:10,200 Speaker 1: it's I'm close. Yeah. I mean again, there's about eighty 845 00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:14,719 Speaker 1: five thousand or so cases worldwide right now, maybe a 846 00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:18,920 Speaker 1: few more. You know, there's forty five thousand cases or 847 00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,319 Speaker 1: so in China. I think I have to look at 848 00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,200 Speaker 1: the numbers are changing so quickly. Those are not huge 849 00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:28,799 Speaker 1: absolute numbers, and it's been around since the end of December. Um. 850 00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,520 Speaker 1: But I not to say that this isn't contagious. It's 851 00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,759 Speaker 1: very contagious. But is it behaving in an unpredictable or 852 00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,279 Speaker 1: more virulent way? I don't think I could say that 853 00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:40,279 Speaker 1: with confidence right now, Um, what about this Dutch? Do 854 00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:44,200 Speaker 1: this like the birth of a new virus fascinates me, 855 00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:47,520 Speaker 1: Like how that comes into our world just fascinates me. 856 00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,440 Speaker 1: Do you have any knowledge or understanding on how a 857 00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:55,800 Speaker 1: new virus begins? Well a lot of times I I do. 858 00:50:56,680 --> 00:51:01,600 Speaker 1: I do. It's sell my expertise. But there are spontaneous mutations, right, 859 00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:03,960 Speaker 1: that's just evolution that you believe in that which I 860 00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:08,319 Speaker 1: tend to um that DNA DNA mutation, you know, new 861 00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,640 Speaker 1: new life, you know, new versions of things happen. That's 862 00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:15,880 Speaker 1: how viruses or humans or any or living organisms evolved 863 00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:19,239 Speaker 1: through DNA mutations. And then the second is that you 864 00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:22,280 Speaker 1: might have a virus that's more common in another animal 865 00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:28,000 Speaker 1: species that then becomes infectious in human mammals. And so 866 00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:33,480 Speaker 1: like the correct yes, I don't want to go too 867 00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:35,080 Speaker 1: much further into that because I just don't have the 868 00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:39,759 Speaker 1: expertise to really everything. And we're all trapped in this 869 00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:44,200 Speaker 1: room and Daniel's coughing, have here, dude out here. It's 870 00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:46,880 Speaker 1: also just being being having the title of a doctor. 871 00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,040 Speaker 1: We just like, look at you that you know everything 872 00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:51,320 Speaker 1: that you know everything about all of this. Do you 873 00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:55,520 Speaker 1: just put us at ease with whatever you say. Well, 874 00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:57,880 Speaker 1: I I am. I I will say that I have 875 00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,239 Speaker 1: been feeling a lot of questions, and part of the 876 00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,960 Speaker 1: reason I was interested in having this form is actually 877 00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:08,480 Speaker 1: to have a somewhat rational conversation about this and not 878 00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:10,839 Speaker 1: to minimize and say I'm not worried, not to say 879 00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:12,239 Speaker 1: that I don't think this is a big deal, because 880 00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,400 Speaker 1: I do think it's a big deal. But you know, 881 00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:18,640 Speaker 1: does it warrant lines at costco? I don't think so. 882 00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,279 Speaker 1: I don't think so. I don't know if that's the 883 00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:25,200 Speaker 1: right answer to this, UM And I think that the 884 00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,320 Speaker 1: idea is that, look, if we are in a situation 885 00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,160 Speaker 1: where the diseases spreading rapidly in communities and people can't 886 00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,640 Speaker 1: necessarily get the supplies that they need, they should have 887 00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:35,960 Speaker 1: adequate supplies so that they may not have to run 888 00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:37,960 Speaker 1: out to the market for toilet paper or something like 889 00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,960 Speaker 1: that anyone needs. So I have a question, right, I 890 00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:44,080 Speaker 1: have a question. So years ago there was not that 891 00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,480 Speaker 1: many years ago, wasn't there a version of coronavirus in 892 00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:50,279 Speaker 1: the Mediterranean that killed Actually the more taliate was like 893 00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:56,759 Speaker 1: incredibly high, um and it was around right, and so 894 00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,719 Speaker 1: why didn't we hear about that at all, Uh when 895 00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,200 Speaker 1: and that was happening, and and the and the death 896 00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,239 Speaker 1: rate was so high, but we're hearing about this. It 897 00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:09,239 Speaker 1: was a death rate that's so utterly low. I think 898 00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:13,520 Speaker 1: that this one tended to go further faster than the 899 00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:18,120 Speaker 1: MERV which is UM which is what you're referring to, 900 00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,600 Speaker 1: and the r S And I just think that that 901 00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:26,000 Speaker 1: one dwindled a little bit faster. The numbers were declining 902 00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,000 Speaker 1: pretty quickly. Like the virus came into bloom. It affected 903 00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:30,680 Speaker 1: a bunch of people that have just sort of disappeared. 904 00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:36,319 Speaker 1: This one seems to be spreading in the community. UM 905 00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,200 Speaker 1: cases are popping up. We're not really sure how you 906 00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,319 Speaker 1: know it's not it doesn't it's not magic. I mean, 907 00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:46,080 Speaker 1: somehow the virus is traveling and in facting different communities 908 00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:52,040 Speaker 1: and people. I don't know if it's I just don't know. 909 00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:56,040 Speaker 1: I think it's about fourteen days that people are potentially 910 00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:59,759 Speaker 1: incubating this. But again there's probably I don't know what 911 00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:02,840 Speaker 1: the person you were speaking to on the phone before me, 912 00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,160 Speaker 1: but I don't know what their experienced with the virus was. 913 00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:09,960 Speaker 1: But I imagine they're talking to you. He has the coronavirus. 914 00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:12,560 Speaker 1: What was his new this is just an end of one. 915 00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:17,080 Speaker 1: What were his explanation of the symptoms, Like he basically said, it's, uh, 916 00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:21,320 Speaker 1: he's feeling fine one day and then uh, you know, 917 00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:25,080 Speaker 1: the next day, suddenly he has a fever, like an 918 00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:28,400 Speaker 1: eight hour long high fever. And then after this he 919 00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:31,400 Speaker 1: slept through it essentially, and it woke up and it 920 00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:34,600 Speaker 1: had subsided and a bit of a persistent cough. Yeah. 921 00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:37,600 Speaker 1: But I mean, I was actually quite fascinated by it 922 00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,239 Speaker 1: because it sounded it sounded, or at least seemed like 923 00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,880 Speaker 1: the quarantine was the worst part of the illness, not 924 00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,920 Speaker 1: the illness itself. So but but of course, you know, 925 00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:50,680 Speaker 1: obviously precautions have to have to be taken, but you know, 926 00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,239 Speaker 1: from everything that he was saying, it really sounded more 927 00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:55,840 Speaker 1: like the quarantine is ultimately the worst part of the 928 00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:59,520 Speaker 1: illness if you if you don't die from it, right 929 00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:03,560 Speaker 1: and right, and so there's not a high penetrant of 930 00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:05,320 Speaker 1: you know, like a lot of people are comparing this 931 00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:12,200 Speaker 1: to the influenza epidemic, and that was obviously at a 932 00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:15,880 Speaker 1: different time in history where we had less medical technology, 933 00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:19,520 Speaker 1: we knew less about infectious disease. We had less therapies 934 00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:22,000 Speaker 1: at our disposal. People were living in a little bit 935 00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:25,320 Speaker 1: more densely populated areas, especially in cities, there might be 936 00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:28,560 Speaker 1: eighteen people living in one and two room households. Um 937 00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:32,160 Speaker 1: this one. I do think that the social component of it. 938 00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:35,360 Speaker 1: In the digital age, where there's a really rapid dissemination 939 00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:39,240 Speaker 1: of information, that twenty news cycle, it's hard to verify. 940 00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,360 Speaker 1: Facts are kind of from a lot of different places. 941 00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,840 Speaker 1: I think that people are, you know, I mean, the 942 00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:47,960 Speaker 1: social contagion and element of this is actually pretty interesting. 943 00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:49,640 Speaker 1: I mean, if you think about it from an evolutionary 944 00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:53,200 Speaker 1: perspective of your ancestors heard about something going down in 945 00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:55,640 Speaker 1: the village a couple of miles away that was killing 946 00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,200 Speaker 1: you know, five ten percent of the people, they would 947 00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:00,840 Speaker 1: want to isolate themselves from that village and not let 948 00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:02,799 Speaker 1: people either go to the village or come visit from 949 00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:06,560 Speaker 1: that villa. And that that is a natural instinct of 950 00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:10,160 Speaker 1: human beings. It's about self preservation. And I think we're 951 00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:13,960 Speaker 1: just seeing this on speed basically, like it's happening is 952 00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:17,239 Speaker 1: so fast, and people don't really know how to react 953 00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:18,960 Speaker 1: to the news. I don't always know how to react 954 00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,800 Speaker 1: to the news. And I'm constantly fact checking stuff, constantly 955 00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:26,080 Speaker 1: getting questions. So part of that is I think right now, 956 00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,960 Speaker 1: the disruption that we're seeing to the fabric of society 957 00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:33,000 Speaker 1: as a result of this is probably more significant than 958 00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:35,840 Speaker 1: the actual illness. Would go on to say that, you know, 959 00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:40,000 Speaker 1: maybe there there could be if people will doomsday thinkers 960 00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:42,520 Speaker 1: are like, well, are we prepared for an illness of 961 00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:46,040 Speaker 1: effects to percent of the population brands among ventilators. I 962 00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:48,640 Speaker 1: think that would be hard to imagine that we are 963 00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:51,640 Speaker 1: prepared for that because it would be so unprecedented. And 964 00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:56,240 Speaker 1: another question, Um, so this is just just for compare 965 00:56:56,520 --> 00:57:03,200 Speaker 1: compared comparison's sake, um so versus influenza, just the common 966 00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:07,279 Speaker 1: the flu as we knew it. Um what percentage of 967 00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:10,359 Speaker 1: the of of people who get infected from the flu 968 00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:17,040 Speaker 1: dive versus what percentage versus this coronavirus. Yeah, I think, 969 00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:21,560 Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, I think that it's around point 970 00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:27,680 Speaker 1: six percent of documented influenza. UM is approximately what it is. 971 00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:32,480 Speaker 1: And the numbers for this are between two I've heard 972 00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:35,440 Speaker 1: between you know, I would say one to two percent, 973 00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:37,880 Speaker 1: and let's just say, let's say call it two to 974 00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:41,040 Speaker 1: three percent. So that's you know, a couple hundred times 975 00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:45,920 Speaker 1: higher the multiple you know, four acts of influenza. Um. 976 00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:48,920 Speaker 1: But you know also the number of people that have 977 00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:52,800 Speaker 1: influenza currently is much higher than the number of people 978 00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:56,040 Speaker 1: who have this. I want to ask you one more question, Todd, 979 00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:59,680 Speaker 1: Dr Todd Um. And this is a little bit far 980 00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:02,040 Speaker 1: out there. I'll even preface it with this, this is 981 00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:03,880 Speaker 1: my mind. This is a little bit far out there. 982 00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:08,280 Speaker 1: But I believe the word the Earth has about I 983 00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:13,040 Speaker 1: think roughly almost eight billion people on it today, and 984 00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:17,320 Speaker 1: I believe that we are putting so much pressure on 985 00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:20,880 Speaker 1: the Earth and it's finite resources. There's only so much food, 986 00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:23,400 Speaker 1: there's only so much water. I believe we're just putting 987 00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:26,840 Speaker 1: so much pressure on the Earth and that population continues 988 00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:30,280 Speaker 1: to grow and grow that I believe at some point 989 00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:33,680 Speaker 1: the Earth is going to push back and that something 990 00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:35,880 Speaker 1: is going to always have just believed this for like 991 00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:37,840 Speaker 1: ten years, that something is going to come around and 992 00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:43,280 Speaker 1: just push back against the rapid expansion of population on 993 00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:45,560 Speaker 1: the Earth. And so when something like this comes up, 994 00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:47,760 Speaker 1: I actually get scared. I'm like, what could this be? 995 00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:49,760 Speaker 1: That thing? And this is just in my brain right, 996 00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:51,959 Speaker 1: this is this isn't so this is just a thought 997 00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:56,080 Speaker 1: I have. But I can't see us as humans continuing 998 00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:58,600 Speaker 1: to put so much pressure on the Earth and it's 999 00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:01,880 Speaker 1: finite resources with the Earth pushing back at some point. 1000 00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:04,000 Speaker 1: Does that have any relevance in your mind? Are you 1001 00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:08,280 Speaker 1: just like Brooks? You crazy? You're crazy Canadian? Huh No. 1002 00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:15,120 Speaker 1: I think that there is a natural balance to populations. 1003 00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:17,800 Speaker 1: I think that makes a lot of sense. And I 1004 00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:23,400 Speaker 1: think that with dense populations of human beings, the likelihood 1005 00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:27,160 Speaker 1: of rapid spread of an infectious disease is more likely. 1006 00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:31,600 Speaker 1: And as the population density of the Earth increases, than 1007 00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:35,080 Speaker 1: the likelihood of spread of disease increases, and it is possible. 1008 00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,520 Speaker 1: I don't think that this cv I D s v 1009 00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:41,520 Speaker 1: I D nineteen is the doomsday virus. But you can 1010 00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:46,040 Speaker 1: imagine a much more virulent virus than this that has 1011 00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:49,920 Speaker 1: a you know, really that's a respiratory virus that causes 1012 00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:55,400 Speaker 1: pneumonia and death. And if that's ten or fatality rate 1013 00:59:55,440 --> 01:00:00,400 Speaker 1: across all population, independent of comorbidity, its something like that 1014 01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:05,920 Speaker 1: is not beyond It's not beyond my imagination. But I 1015 01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:08,720 Speaker 1: don't think that that's what this is. But but you 1016 01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:12,600 Speaker 1: can see how something expects quickly around the world. Yeah, yeah, 1017 01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:14,840 Speaker 1: so yeah, I just I feel that's in the realm 1018 01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,160 Speaker 1: of possibility. I don't think I'm crazy with that. You've 1019 01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:21,160 Speaker 1: been watching too much walking I've never Walking dead, thinking 1020 01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:24,000 Speaker 1: about walking Dead, I'm very prepared for the zombie apocalypse, 1021 01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:27,840 Speaker 1: but not that. See I I I disagree in some ways. 1022 01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:32,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I understand the that angle. I think it's 1023 01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:35,560 Speaker 1: an interesting angle, but there's there's a couple of holes 1024 01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:39,080 Speaker 1: in that. In that I feel like if we double 1025 01:00:39,160 --> 01:00:41,800 Speaker 1: the population, will have twice as many geniuses to figure 1026 01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:44,720 Speaker 1: out the problem, and and and twice as many people 1027 01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:49,000 Speaker 1: can come like adding to the problem with litter, with waste, 1028 01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:53,440 Speaker 1: with not recycling. But I view I view the genius 1029 01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:58,640 Speaker 1: and an industry as the as a solution. Um. But 1030 01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:01,120 Speaker 1: you know, other guys, you know, what are we gonna do. 1031 01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:03,320 Speaker 1: You're gonna throw your phone out, You're gonna get rid 1032 01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:06,480 Speaker 1: of your electric car. I mean, you know what I mean. 1033 01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:10,560 Speaker 1: So until we're all ready to do that, which I'm not, um, 1034 01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:14,200 Speaker 1: then I say, let's get let's increase the population with 1035 01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:18,800 Speaker 1: geniuses so we could solve the problems. Dr Todd, I 1036 01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:21,320 Speaker 1: want to thank you for coming on. Man, We're losing 1037 01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:25,960 Speaker 1: gab here not not a problem. I hope that this 1038 01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:30,320 Speaker 1: was helpful and very useful information to anybody who's listening. 1039 01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:32,680 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, man, look forward to seeing you 1040 01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:37,840 Speaker 1: be well. Thanks a lot. Thanks helpful doctors only wanted 1041 01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,800 Speaker 1: him to help all of us. That's my point. Thank you, 1042 01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:44,840 Speaker 1: take care of good bye bye. So we're reaching out 1043 01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:46,360 Speaker 1: to Rick. Rick, we got you on buddy. Where you 1044 01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:50,440 Speaker 1: at you there, Rick? What's up? Brooks? I am actually 1045 01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:55,880 Speaker 1: on a work trip right now in Dubai, United Arab 1046 01:01:56,040 --> 01:02:00,640 Speaker 1: Emirates country. I've never been before but always wanted to go, 1047 01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:03,800 Speaker 1: and it's pretty amazing. Actually, then, is it the You're 1048 01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:06,600 Speaker 1: right in du buy the city of Dubai. Yes, I 1049 01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:09,400 Speaker 1: am in the city of Dubai currently. So I am 1050 01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:12,120 Speaker 1: in the it's actually the city that I'm in. The 1051 01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:14,040 Speaker 1: area of the city that I'm in, Dubai is called 1052 01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:16,800 Speaker 1: the Internet City, which is where all the tech companies 1053 01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:19,720 Speaker 1: are located. So I'm working on a job right now 1054 01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:22,800 Speaker 1: with one of my clients in the tech center, sort 1055 01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:26,640 Speaker 1: of like Silicon Valley. Rick. So when you look at 1056 01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:29,680 Speaker 1: your window right now, what do you see. I actually 1057 01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:33,480 Speaker 1: have a pretty decent hotel room and I'm looking onto 1058 01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:38,080 Speaker 1: Palm Island, so I'm stay seeing the water. Um. It's 1059 01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:41,440 Speaker 1: a beautiful country, super warm, it's very pleasant right now. 1060 01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:44,280 Speaker 1: But I'm looking out on Palm Island, which is sort 1061 01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:48,000 Speaker 1: of the famous man made islands that they created where 1062 01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:49,960 Speaker 1: you can buy homes, and it looks like a giant 1063 01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:54,480 Speaker 1: palm from the sky. It's pretty cool. Okay, So tell 1064 01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:57,120 Speaker 1: me about traveling there. What was it like at the 1065 01:02:57,200 --> 01:02:59,640 Speaker 1: airport when you left San Francisco and what was it 1066 01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:03,640 Speaker 1: lie when you arrived? And like, we're referencing coronavirus, so 1067 01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:06,160 Speaker 1: did you see people in mass like describe when you 1068 01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:10,840 Speaker 1: left to travel internationally and when you got there? Yeah, no, 1069 01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:14,280 Speaker 1: poem um. So I actually flew out of Los Angeles. 1070 01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:18,200 Speaker 1: So I took a regular flight from Oakland to Los 1071 01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:20,800 Speaker 1: Angeles l a X. And I came on a direct 1072 01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:25,960 Speaker 1: flight from l a X to Dubai. And I was 1073 01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:29,960 Speaker 1: tracking coronavirus. I travel a lot for workbooks and and 1074 01:03:30,120 --> 01:03:33,120 Speaker 1: I was tracking the coronavirus quite a bit, and it 1075 01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:36,560 Speaker 1: was still in sort of the infancy stages that in 1076 01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:39,560 Speaker 1: the U S and sort of abroad aside from the 1077 01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:44,280 Speaker 1: obvious areas of like China and South Korea and iran Um, 1078 01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:48,840 Speaker 1: and right before I left, I was tracking everything on 1079 01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:52,680 Speaker 1: like my in the UAE area, and I was looking 1080 01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:55,840 Speaker 1: at they had the UAE and Dubai had actually banned 1081 01:03:56,000 --> 01:04:00,400 Speaker 1: all flights from iran So to and from i ran 1082 01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:05,200 Speaker 1: Um Tehrans especially, and so that was a little concerned 1083 01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:06,920 Speaker 1: for me. But when I got to l A x 1084 01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:10,360 Speaker 1: Um kind of did my normal, you know, walk through 1085 01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:13,880 Speaker 1: the airport, did everything. People were wearing masks, but nothing 1086 01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:17,120 Speaker 1: nothing like I would say probably ten percent of the 1087 01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:20,160 Speaker 1: people were wearing masks. It wasn't where I was expecting 1088 01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:22,520 Speaker 1: everybody to wear masks or every and I was not 1089 01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:26,960 Speaker 1: wearing a mask at the time, but everything was just 1090 01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:29,840 Speaker 1: a little bit more heightened. So wherever I was going, 1091 01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:31,960 Speaker 1: I'm I'm sort of antial anyway, as you know, but 1092 01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:34,960 Speaker 1: I was sort of you know, I always washed my hands, 1093 01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,439 Speaker 1: I always looked for the clean feed, I always looked 1094 01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:40,640 Speaker 1: for areas in the airport that maybe cleaning than others. 1095 01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:43,840 Speaker 1: And so that to me is more heightened than it 1096 01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:47,520 Speaker 1: ever had been before. So I was continually washing my hand. 1097 01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:49,720 Speaker 1: I was looking at the people that I was standing around, 1098 01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:53,280 Speaker 1: looking to me, what I could be sneezing or coughing, 1099 01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:56,720 Speaker 1: like heightened on that side of things. So it was 1100 01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:59,120 Speaker 1: it was it was a little nerve Vackum. To be 1101 01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:01,120 Speaker 1: honest with you, Rick, how are you feeling right now? 1102 01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:03,680 Speaker 1: Being that you're in another country, you're not back at home? 1103 01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:08,200 Speaker 1: Are you scared? How you feeling right now? Um? I 1104 01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:12,640 Speaker 1: feel actually, you know what? I feel pretty good. Um. Again, 1105 01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:15,840 Speaker 1: I'm sort of just continuing to watch the news. I'm 1106 01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:19,600 Speaker 1: watching the I'm reading a lot of news articles right 1107 01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:21,760 Speaker 1: now and kind of like how to prevent it, how 1108 01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:25,080 Speaker 1: to you know, maintain things are really sort of like 1109 01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:28,360 Speaker 1: being in check with my body. How do I feel? Um? 1110 01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:31,640 Speaker 1: Being here? I feel fine, I feel great. Um. I 1111 01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:35,200 Speaker 1: don't see that anybody here is super concerned about I 1112 01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:36,960 Speaker 1: mean there, I went to the mall or because I 1113 01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:40,040 Speaker 1: had some downtime. Um, there's a really cool mall in 1114 01:05:40,120 --> 01:05:43,000 Speaker 1: Durvide where they have like the indoor skiing thing. I'm sure, Gavin, 1115 01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:45,400 Speaker 1: you're a skier, so that would be something that you 1116 01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:50,720 Speaker 1: would be doing. Um. But I didn't notice many people 1117 01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:55,080 Speaker 1: wearing masks. And there was a certain point while I 1118 01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:57,120 Speaker 1: was at that mall that I was kind of sitting 1119 01:05:57,200 --> 01:05:58,960 Speaker 1: there and I was walking around, and all of a 1120 01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:01,800 Speaker 1: sudden they got later on in the afternoon, I eat 1121 01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:03,880 Speaker 1: munch there and more people flooding into the mall, and 1122 01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:06,840 Speaker 1: I was like, you know, what of all the things 1123 01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:09,680 Speaker 1: that are the checklist that thinks of what not to 1124 01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:14,240 Speaker 1: do for basically to catch the coronavirus, I was basically doing. 1125 01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:19,000 Speaker 1: I was traveling out along are Airline International for sixteen hours. 1126 01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:24,240 Speaker 1: I was you know, in ubers, in public transportation. UM. 1127 01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:26,160 Speaker 1: I was staying in a hotel, which I had never 1128 01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:28,280 Speaker 1: stayed that before, so I'm not sure the cleanliness of 1129 01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:30,600 Speaker 1: that or how they you know, it was obviously a rated, 1130 01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:34,720 Speaker 1: nicely rated hotel. I was going into large public areas 1131 01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:39,360 Speaker 1: which were basically like a mall. Um And so once 1132 01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:43,920 Speaker 1: I started to feel that or acknowledge that internally with myself, 1133 01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:46,160 Speaker 1: like on the first day, because I had kind of 1134 01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:49,360 Speaker 1: an off day, I started peeling it all back. So 1135 01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:51,120 Speaker 1: I was like, you know what I'm gonna I'm not 1136 01:06:51,160 --> 01:06:53,040 Speaker 1: gonna go out and look anymore. If I had through town. 1137 01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:55,720 Speaker 1: I'm just because I really sort of started like I mean, 1138 01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:57,920 Speaker 1: I think quarantines maybe a little extreme of or word, 1139 01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:01,000 Speaker 1: but I sort of like started quarantining my self and 1140 01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:03,800 Speaker 1: just hanging out in my hotel, just doing certain things. 1141 01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:06,640 Speaker 1: I was washing my hands every time I would come 1142 01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:09,320 Speaker 1: back up from breakfast or i'd have lunch, I'd washed 1143 01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:11,960 Speaker 1: my hands obviously before I washed my my hands after. 1144 01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:14,040 Speaker 1: I was paying attention to the silver ware that was 1145 01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:16,720 Speaker 1: being you know, the plates that were putting down in 1146 01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:19,120 Speaker 1: front of me, because I'm eating out every single time, right, 1147 01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:23,040 Speaker 1: so I was really paying attention and I am paying 1148 01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:26,040 Speaker 1: attention to everything that I'm like doing, and it's really annoying, 1149 01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:29,680 Speaker 1: quite frankly. It's it's it sucks because you don't realize 1150 01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:32,560 Speaker 1: how many times you pick up your phone and your 1151 01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:34,520 Speaker 1: phone's in your pocket, your phone's on the seat in 1152 01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:38,080 Speaker 1: the cab, your phone's on the airline seat, um, and 1153 01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:40,600 Speaker 1: you're touching your phone constantly, and then you're grabbing like 1154 01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:43,160 Speaker 1: a piece of bread and dipping it into the the 1155 01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:45,520 Speaker 1: hummus or the able all we're eating it. And it's 1156 01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:49,040 Speaker 1: like those all things that because of this outbreak, which 1157 01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:53,480 Speaker 1: is very unfortunate going on. Um, I'm paying attention to 1158 01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:57,680 Speaker 1: looked on on this trip. So it's crazy, Rick, Man, 1159 01:07:57,680 --> 01:07:59,680 Speaker 1: I appreciate you calling this, dude. I know, I know 1160 01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:01,160 Speaker 1: you have a lot going on over there, but just 1161 01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:03,680 Speaker 1: work wise, but also just taking the time to chat 1162 01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:06,600 Speaker 1: with us about this. My friend, I stay safe, travel 1163 01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:08,720 Speaker 1: safe and and get home. Well, buddy, we miss you, 1164 01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:15,120 Speaker 1: Eastern Uh can you call Hanna now? So Hannah used 1165 01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:19,080 Speaker 1: to intern with us, a young lady over in Spain studying, 1166 01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:22,000 Speaker 1: and we're gonna get her take on this coronavirus and 1167 01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:32,120 Speaker 1: what's going on in her life right after the break, Hannah, 1168 01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:34,400 Speaker 1: are you there? We miss you? Are you there? Hello? 1169 01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:37,439 Speaker 1: How are you guys? How are you? So? Tell us 1170 01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:40,559 Speaker 1: what's happening? Oh my god, it's kind of like a nightmare, 1171 01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:42,120 Speaker 1: and I kind of feel like the world is and 1172 01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:47,000 Speaker 1: then because everything is so chaotic, like everyone has masks 1173 01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:51,240 Speaker 1: on the airport, on the streets, like everyone's freaking out. 1174 01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:54,800 Speaker 1: It's just such a nightmare. So, Hanna, you're in Spain 1175 01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:56,560 Speaker 1: right now. Can you give us little insight to what 1176 01:08:56,640 --> 01:09:00,880 Speaker 1: it's like over there. That's actually not the worst here 1177 01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:04,360 Speaker 1: right now. But I flew back from France this morning, 1178 01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:07,400 Speaker 1: and in the time that I was on the plane 1179 01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:09,599 Speaker 1: for an hour and a half, there had been twelve 1180 01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:13,280 Speaker 1: new cases. Because I like refresh my web page every 1181 01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:15,840 Speaker 1: twenty seconds to see how many people have it, and 1182 01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:17,880 Speaker 1: it went at by twelve people in an hour and 1183 01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:21,560 Speaker 1: a half. Thank so, what's the plan? You don't know 1184 01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:26,280 Speaker 1: when you're coming home or what's happening. No, so, our program, 1185 01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:29,840 Speaker 1: the program I'm with, keeps emailing us and saying that 1186 01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:33,920 Speaker 1: basically will be recommended to go home if it reaches 1187 01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:38,320 Speaker 1: a level two, which means over two hundred cases, and 1188 01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:41,920 Speaker 1: right now it's a little over a hundred, So as 1189 01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:46,800 Speaker 1: of now we're staying here um and then if it 1190 01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:49,200 Speaker 1: reaches a level three, we like have to go home. 1191 01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:52,240 Speaker 1: But our program just has to figure out how we 1192 01:09:52,360 --> 01:09:56,040 Speaker 1: can complete our classes or else all the classes that 1193 01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:59,040 Speaker 1: we're taking we don't get credit for, and that would 1194 01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:01,360 Speaker 1: put all the these kids that are brought like a 1195 01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:05,320 Speaker 1: whole semester behind. So our program has to figure that out, 1196 01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:09,400 Speaker 1: and they're scrambling and like everyone's panicking. It's such a nightmare. 1197 01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:12,960 Speaker 1: How's your how's your little Hannah? Is our little Hanna 1198 01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:16,080 Speaker 1: and she gets a little anxious. How's your anxiety about 1199 01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:18,680 Speaker 1: it all? Oh my gosh, Amy, you would literally be 1200 01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:23,080 Speaker 1: so proud of me. I'd go in elevators, I explained, 1201 01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:25,600 Speaker 1: and I and my anxiety has been so good. I 1202 01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:29,080 Speaker 1: think I needed this experience to come abroad. And I 1203 01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:30,920 Speaker 1: feel like I'm the most chill out of all my 1204 01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:34,880 Speaker 1: friends here about the whole thing, because I know my 1205 01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:36,800 Speaker 1: parents were so proud of me, and they follow me 1206 01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:41,680 Speaker 1: this weekend, so they were like, you're growing up, so 1207 01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:44,120 Speaker 1: you feel pretty safe and are you doing any like 1208 01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:46,240 Speaker 1: are you wearing a mask or gloves or what are 1209 01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:50,760 Speaker 1: you doing over here? I have a mask, Um. I 1210 01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:53,000 Speaker 1: wore it like through the airport and on the plane, 1211 01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:54,920 Speaker 1: just because there's so many people there, and I have 1212 01:10:55,080 --> 01:11:00,240 Speaker 1: like handwipes, but I wiped my hands with twenty four seven. Um. 1213 01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:02,960 Speaker 1: But I just try not to go in like super 1214 01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:05,439 Speaker 1: crowded places. It was hard this weekend in Paris, and 1215 01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:08,160 Speaker 1: actually it was crazy because we went to the Louver 1216 01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:11,280 Speaker 1: Museum and then the next day they shut it down. 1217 01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:15,519 Speaker 1: They weren't letting anyone else, and because of Corona, because 1218 01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:19,200 Speaker 1: there's so many people that go in it. Hey, Hannah, 1219 01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:21,640 Speaker 1: so in the US you can't even find Pureux are 1220 01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:24,840 Speaker 1: they are they sold out there too? Yeah? So before 1221 01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:28,040 Speaker 1: I flew to France, I went to the pharmacy on 1222 01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:30,120 Speaker 1: my street to ask their face mask, and the woman 1223 01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:32,720 Speaker 1: like literally laughed in my spaceies like there are no 1224 01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:35,120 Speaker 1: face masks here, and my parents brought me and my 1225 01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:40,080 Speaker 1: friends for from home and now we have them here. Yeah, 1226 01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:43,080 Speaker 1: so we finally have some facetoffs. But I've been trying 1227 01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:45,639 Speaker 1: to get them for two weeks and they're like, there's 1228 01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:48,960 Speaker 1: none in Barcelona's crazy. So I've heard that some of 1229 01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:52,280 Speaker 1: the programs, the study abroad programs, are sending their students 1230 01:11:52,439 --> 01:11:54,639 Speaker 1: back home back to the US. Is that the case 1231 01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:57,640 Speaker 1: with any of your friends right now? So s m U, 1232 01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:01,679 Speaker 1: s m U and Boisy are the only two schools 1233 01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:03,479 Speaker 1: that I know for sure that have told all of 1234 01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:07,400 Speaker 1: their kids from Barcelona. And we've been trying to get 1235 01:12:07,479 --> 01:12:11,519 Speaker 1: in contact and like call San Diego. But I think 1236 01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:13,320 Speaker 1: they're just so stressed out of the year because they 1237 01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:16,400 Speaker 1: don't really know what to do right now. Oh my god. Yeah, 1238 01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:18,920 Speaker 1: I don't know what I would do. I think I 1239 01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:21,599 Speaker 1: would come home, I know, I think I would wait 1240 01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:24,240 Speaker 1: until they're like you gotta go. That shows the difference 1241 01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:27,839 Speaker 1: between me and Daniel. I'm like, I'd come home. Daniel's 1242 01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:32,640 Speaker 1: like I'm write it out well. I was talking to 1243 01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:34,320 Speaker 1: my parents about it, and my dad is like, I 1244 01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:36,920 Speaker 1: give you maybe two more weeks. But my friends who 1245 01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:40,720 Speaker 1: are studying brought in Florence, they're already home, and my 1246 01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:44,519 Speaker 1: friends that are in Madrid are like getting sent home 1247 01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:48,799 Speaker 1: this week. They haven't until Friday to move out. We'll 1248 01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:52,479 Speaker 1: be safe. We're here. Well, yeah, if you need anything, 1249 01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:55,439 Speaker 1: and we'd love to have you come start working once 1250 01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:59,280 Speaker 1: you've been. Once you've been. The fourteen days we just 1251 01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:02,000 Speaker 1: talked to Rick was in Dubai and we told him 1252 01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:05,400 Speaker 1: he's not allowed to come for fourteen days. But well, 1253 01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:08,120 Speaker 1: hang in there. We'll see you soon. You guys soon, 1254 01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:18,720 Speaker 1: I miss you, guys. By who that was? That was 1255 01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:23,599 Speaker 1: our first like breaking news edition of how Many Fake podcast? Um, 1256 01:13:23,880 --> 01:13:25,479 Speaker 1: I loved it, though I loved it. It was usually 1257 01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:29,240 Speaker 1: we have discussions about topics. This was. This was about 1258 01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:32,920 Speaker 1: a current and relevant and prominent topic present in the 1259 01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:37,040 Speaker 1: world today. So I liked it. I think we all 1260 01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:39,080 Speaker 1: need to try to stay away from our potential freak 1261 01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:40,880 Speaker 1: out mode. Though with all that info, you know what 1262 01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:44,280 Speaker 1: a man m I don't know. I don't know gaff. 1263 01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:46,800 Speaker 1: I don't want to I don't want to undersell the people, 1264 01:13:47,479 --> 01:13:50,519 Speaker 1: but I also don't want to cause panic. But I 1265 01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:53,760 Speaker 1: do hope that through Carl through Dr Todd. You're listening 1266 01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:56,000 Speaker 1: to Hannah through Rick that you guys have a little 1267 01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:58,840 Speaker 1: more information at least today on on the coronavirus and 1268 01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:01,160 Speaker 1: what to do to there for yourself or your family 1269 01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:04,040 Speaker 1: and where to find out more information about it. But um, 1270 01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:06,280 Speaker 1: next time we do a breaking news report, I want 1271 01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:08,000 Speaker 1: to see you in like a suit and tie gave. 1272 01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:09,880 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm a suit and tie kind of man. 1273 01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:11,640 Speaker 1: I got a clip on. You got a clip on. 1274 01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:14,439 Speaker 1: I got like multi versions of clip on. I actually 1275 01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:16,160 Speaker 1: see you as like a bow tie guy. I have 1276 01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:18,800 Speaker 1: a clip on boat ties. Okay, there you go too. 1277 01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:21,479 Speaker 1: That's it for this week. Thank you everybody for listening 1278 01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:23,400 Speaker 1: to My name is Brooks. Like til next week, take 1279 01:14:23,439 --> 01:14:25,559 Speaker 1: care of one another, love one another, and we'll see 1280 01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:27,320 Speaker 1: you back here for another episode of How Men Think