1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,679 Speaker 1: Here everybody woke to an episode of butteron Amy host Brandon 2 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:06,559 Speaker 1: Butler foinan cyo butter Atal and today that's special in 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: the building man, and my guy Naje Henderson from Zuka 4 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 1: Gallery in the building and Naji, how you doing, Bro? 5 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 2: I'm doing great, man, Thank you for having me. 6 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 3: Now I'm been trying to get you in for a minute. 7 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 2: Man. 8 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:16,639 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. Man, You're busy like me. Dog, 9 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 3: You're busy like me. 10 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 2: Man. 11 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 3: Hey, Man, now you're not trying. 12 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 1: You do it. Man. So look man, for those who 13 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:22,799 Speaker 1: don't know, Man, tell people real quick what is what 14 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 1: is zukot. 15 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 4: So Zukott We are our gallery specialized at the Riginal 16 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 4: workspart by living artists back in bast Bro. We've been 17 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 4: around for about fifteen years and we're of the largest 18 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 4: in the Southeast and uh really our focus is uh 19 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 4: in an education space as well, and just trying how 20 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 4: do we normalize the idea of collecting culture. How do 21 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 4: we get more of us to buy art? How to 22 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 4: create unpogularly a black space where everyone is welcome. But 23 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 4: our story is being told in that space. 24 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 1: First of all, Man, you ran through that very nicely. Man, 25 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: I feel like that's how the first time you've said that. 26 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: But I want to I want to go back because 27 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: you said it so quickly. I want to kind of 28 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: go back on it for a second. Now you said 29 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 1: y'all are one of the biggest in the Southeast, Like, 30 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: tell me a little bit more about, Like how did 31 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: you get to the point where you all had one 32 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: of the biggest black art galleries in the Southeast. 33 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 2: It's funny, Unfortunately, it's not that difficult to do. Right now. 34 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 4: If you think about works or Africanmakan art galleries in general, 35 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 4: you can almost compare the food deserts. And when you 36 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 4: start looking at the number of africmaking art galeries in 37 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 4: the nation, it's not a whole lot of us, especially 38 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 4: when you begin to look at those that are specifically 39 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 4: focused on art and are specifically focused on a particular 40 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 4: set of artists or set type of format. And I 41 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 4: think that when you look at places like Atlanta, we 42 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 4: have a few black on galleries in the city. Then 43 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 4: you start jumping around, you start looking at the number 44 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 4: of galerries, you start seeing where are they, and you 45 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 4: start jumping states and it's okay. 46 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 2: So the question then becomes why is that? And now 47 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 2: it's my. 48 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 4: Responsibility to either a create a hunger for it or 49 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 4: also then help others or encourage others to do the same, 50 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 4: because the issue becomes then is that we need these 51 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 4: things to exist. But the other part is that we 52 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 4: need people to collect the work. There's a lot of 53 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 4: artis that I were creating wonderful pieces right now with no. 54 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 2: Place to show. 55 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, now, now take me back to the beginning, man, 56 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: Like what was your relationship with art growing up? Because 57 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: I'm really trying to interested understand how does somebody get 58 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: from because I mean we were talking about this before, 59 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: Like you have a background engineering and now you're owing 60 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: and running the art gallery, right, So, like, what was 61 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: your relationship with art growing up? And how did you 62 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:27,959 Speaker 1: end up in that space? 63 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 4: So it's funding my father, who's also engineer. It's been 64 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 4: a painter artists our entire lives and as a matter 65 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 4: of fact, when he was at Tuskegee, he was the 66 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:41,119 Speaker 4: campus artist back then. So growing up we would see 67 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 4: my father paint in the garage which was the studio, 68 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 4: every day, and growing up around art entire lives, my 69 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 4: parents always made sure also we were everywhere. You know, 70 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 4: being from Atlanta, you remember all the cultural events and 71 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 4: all the things that happened in the city. You know, 72 00:02:56,320 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 4: whether National Arts Special was huge, Jazz Fest was huge then, 73 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 4: but every other cultural parade and things like that. We 74 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 4: were part of all of that stuff, and my parents 75 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 4: made sure we were going. So being around culture and 76 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 4: being part of it was just natural for us. It 77 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 4: was so natural to when my brother went to Tuskegee, 78 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 4: who's also a chemical engineer. After that first who, he 79 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 4: came back home and got some artwork for the dorm 80 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:20,799 Speaker 4: room because he just was used to. 81 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 2: Being around it. 82 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 4: And so I think growing up in something, you realize 83 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 4: the absence of it when it's not there, and how 84 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 4: important it is, and even how important is to. 85 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 2: Who you are, how it makes you feel, and all 86 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 2: those things. 87 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 4: So that's how we got our first interest or level too. 88 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:43,119 Speaker 4: I mean we're talking plays and everything else is growing 89 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 4: up as kids now. When we got in college, my 90 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 4: father left corporate and he began doing art full time. 91 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 4: When I got my scholarship in school, my dad said, 92 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 4: all right, I'm out. 93 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 2: Job done exactly exactly. He's going to focus on. 94 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 4: The art full time. And so when I grab situated. 95 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 4: I'm the youngest. I called O Mari and I said, look, 96 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 4: I think it's time for us to take up the 97 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 4: business side for dad, because at that point he was 98 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 4: doing exhibitions around the city but also doing a lot 99 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 4: of shows around the country, just you know, just kind 100 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 4: of floating around making it happen. 101 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 2: And so that's what we did. And so at that 102 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 2: point we would go around and I don't know. 103 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 4: If you remember to Deforce Center Off, Yeah, that we 104 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 4: did our very first show that we would use our 105 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 4: corporate dollars gallery spaces to do exhibitions. And when we realized, 106 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 4: even at that age I had to be like twenty 107 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 4: four years old, that no one was talking to us 108 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 4: when we would go into galleries and he would see us, 109 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 4: they were assume we couldn't afford it whatever it was. 110 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 4: And it was not a lot of spaces in Atlanta 111 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 4: where you could actually buy work by people like you, uh, 112 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 4: in this case black people. 113 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 2: So we. 114 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 4: Saw that that opening there as well. So we start 115 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 4: inviting our friends to these exhibitions. We go out to 116 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 4: a space, rent it for just a few days, put 117 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 4: up it intire exhibition, curated everything, sell work to everything, 118 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 4: make down and then we do it within four or 119 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 4: five days. And that's how we started. 120 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 3: Man. 121 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: So one thing that comes out of that, man, is 122 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 1: obviously you way more culture than me growing up. Because 123 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: let me tell you something, man, when I went to college, bro, 124 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:16,919 Speaker 1: the most you see in somebody's dorm room is that 125 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: little Kim poster right right from in some in some 126 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: some old Hennessy bottles with some with some blue with 127 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: the magic marker and stuff and with some black lights. 128 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 2: Like that was there too. 129 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: That was just like tell me, like, you know, like 130 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 1: thinking about art in that space. You know, I think 131 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: it's really important too, because you talked about how you 132 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: kind of grew up with the culture and kind of 133 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: grew up with it right like now you're dad, He 134 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 1: didn't he didn't have a gallery, He was just an artist. 135 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: So how did you actually so you actually kind of 136 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: saw that opportunity right and you started bringing that art back. 137 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 1: Like what was that like in school? Because I feel 138 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: like there probably weren't a lot of people doing that 139 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: same thing when you were in college. 140 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:50,919 Speaker 4: No so, And honestly, when we were in school, it 141 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 4: was just watching what he was doing and just watching 142 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 4: the hustle and bustle man like artists gotta work hard, man, 143 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 4: you know, like it's like anything else, right, you know, 144 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 4: the arts in general is a difficult business. I might 145 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:07,160 Speaker 4: I say in general, I'm saying from actors on stage 146 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,120 Speaker 4: to even down to movie actors. When you're not working, 147 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 4: you're not working, you know what I mean. And so 148 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 4: it's the same for all of it. And I think 149 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 4: in recognizing that and just recognizing that, I know, Omar 150 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:21,599 Speaker 4: and I grew up my brother Omary and I grew 151 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 4: up with entrepreneurs in the family, and then recognizing that 152 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 4: at some point I knew that I would never let 153 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 4: the golden handcuffs get me, right, So before I even 154 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 4: left college to go into corporate, I knew at some 155 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 4: point I was going to exit out of this and 156 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:42,479 Speaker 4: do something else. And so the gallery piece of it 157 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 4: didn't start to further on in the story. We started 158 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 4: out was how can we help this situation right here. 159 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 4: We also recognized though that no one was talking to us. 160 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 4: You got this group of black people, young black people 161 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 4: who have money, who want to be educated, own. 162 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:02,279 Speaker 2: Things, and no one's speaking to us. 163 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 4: And if they are speaking to us, it's about things 164 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 4: that literally, uh, you know, argue you know, arguably the 165 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 4: value of it all is sheer dis vanity, and so 166 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 4: what else can we have in that? And so I 167 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 4: think that just. 168 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 2: Comes from once once you're once you grew up. 169 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 4: With art or see it or you appreciate you realize like, 170 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 4: this is something I want to spread everybody else. So 171 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 4: it really came out of the love for just that 172 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 4: and the artists who create the work. 173 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 174 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: Now, again, we talk about art a lot of times, 175 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: and you know, I tell people, you know, especially because 176 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: I do a lot of creatives too, and I tell 177 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: people like, look, I have no desire to be a 178 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: star of an artist, you know what I mean? Like, like, 179 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: because here's the thing, right, Like, good art and good 180 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: content does require a business model. And that's what I 181 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: mean by that, right, Like it's it's one thing that 182 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: can out here and just make it for the love 183 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: of it. And and I totally respect the people to 184 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 1: do that, but at the same time, you're trying to 185 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: build a business around it. You got to have a 186 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: business model. You gotta be able to generate it. Like 187 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: when did you all kind of start to see the 188 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: business opportunity, Like you said, y'all, just we're kind of 189 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: getting spaces and doing your own thing. But when did 190 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: you all kind of start to see the business opportunity 191 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 1: around with you all we're doing. 192 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 4: It's funny, we were beginning to see people come to 193 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 4: these these you know, these shows that we do for 194 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 4: their weekend. We're looking around like, wait a minute, some 195 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 4: gallery owners in here, and they're trying to figure. 196 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 2: Out how we got these people in here. 197 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 4: And the reality is we were talking to our peer group, right, 198 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 4: and we also knew that they couldn't approach our peer 199 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 4: group like we could, so we were also positioned to 200 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 4: have a conversation and to relate in a way that 201 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 4: they couldn't. 202 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 2: And so I think that was part of it. 203 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 4: Being able to have that that level of access, but 204 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 4: also as to starve an artist thing again, right, you 205 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 4: see some great work like this, everyone should see this, 206 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 4: so naturally looking at it from that standpoint. So I 207 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 4: think in all of this, and even to this day, 208 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 4: it's still more passion with the business model around it. 209 00:08:56,280 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 4: But there's such a community a piece of it, and 210 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 4: so much of all these other things that are baked 211 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:08,439 Speaker 4: into For example, some of us have even issues with 212 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 4: seeing our images on walls. 213 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 2: And we don't know what that's from. 214 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 4: Right, So you know, we don't even have clients of 215 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 4: this day saying I love that piece, but I don't. 216 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 2: I don't. 217 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 4: I don't want it to be too offensive, and you're 218 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,839 Speaker 4: like offensive who like? But we'll have a client who's 219 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 4: not black who look at work and say I want it, 220 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 4: I love it. And and so it's like even the 221 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 4: way we see things, so you realize you're dealing with 222 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 4: something larger than just a business model, but it's also 223 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 4: an attempt to awaken the sleeping giant in a sense. 224 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 4: And so so it's a little bit of everything. So 225 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 4: it's it's it's this business piece of it, but then 226 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 4: there's this passion piece of it, and this compassion and grace. 227 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 4: There's all these other things involved in it too, and 228 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 4: that's what. 229 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 2: Makes it so interesting. 230 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 4: But also we we come from these areas of disruption innovation, 231 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 4: so we're asking questions like, okay, so why do we 232 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:00,199 Speaker 4: do it this way? And is there a better mind? 233 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 4: And who's this model designed for? Initially? Anyway, were we 234 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 4: even considered as people when this model is created? 235 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 2: Right? 236 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 4: And so then we begin to question all these things 237 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 4: and say, well, how do we change it and make 238 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 4: it work for us, and I think with that type 239 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 4: of or that level of sensitivity, you end up with 240 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 4: a pretty interesting business model around it. But I think 241 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 4: part of that, the initial piece of it was that 242 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 4: when we start seeing that there was a true interest 243 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 4: from our friends, right man, I never thought I could 244 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 4: have this or the perception that this is something that 245 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 4: white people do, and especially rich white people, especially older 246 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 4: rich white people. And it's like, no, it's for you 247 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 4: black at twenty four, you know what I mean? 248 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 2: And so I think it it opened up some minds 249 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 2: that way as well. 250 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 3: What of you know, for a lot of people, because 251 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 3: I mean you all been in business. 252 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 2: Now how long as a gallery of fifteen years? 253 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 3: Fifteen years? Right? 254 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: And so you know I always kind of think about, 255 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: you know, music arts, first album, about that first album 256 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: and he was hungry and it was here, and you 257 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: know that it blew up and then like some of them, 258 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: you know, they keep going, some of them kind of 259 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: fizzle off, but like that that that original time is 260 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: always so interesting, Like what do you miss most about 261 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: that time when y'all were kind of you know, just 262 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: getting started and out here, just learning the game. 263 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 4: I think part of it is just, you know, in business, 264 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:20,319 Speaker 4: just being naive a lot of times, just like you'll 265 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 4: you'll try things now that your brain will tell you 266 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 4: not to now, and sometimes you almost have to get 267 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 4: some of that naivety back to sometimes be a little 268 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 4: bit more risky because at this point, you know, risk 269 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 4: have a dollar an out associated. 270 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 3: With its associated with risks exactly. 271 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 4: So when it's sometimes when it's less of an investment 272 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 4: involved on the table, you kind of now want to 273 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 4: have the brain you have now. 274 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 2: With the creativity you had back then. 275 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 4: And so I think part of it is that I really, 276 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 4: I really enjoyed the excitement behind art in the city 277 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 4: in general. Unfortunately, when the recession happen, we lost a 278 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 4: lot of galleries in the city as well due to 279 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 4: that and they never reopen. And so I think just 280 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 4: having that more of a buzz around it, like the 281 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 4: wonderful things that we're doing in Castleburry, but you know 282 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 4: my A. 283 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 2: Bailey's doing in Castleberry as well. 284 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:15,559 Speaker 4: That added energy now that's coming back is a really 285 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 4: good thing. And I think that you know, having that 286 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 4: type of community where you have different events going on 287 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 4: and you can do all these things, it makes you 288 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 4: feel more creative. But Honestly, I really enjoy where we 289 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 4: are now. I really enjoy what's happening. I really enjoy 290 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 4: how even in the mainstream, more of us are talking 291 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 4: about art, more black people are. 292 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 2: Talking about art, and. 293 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 4: Still still working through how we talk about it, but 294 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 4: it's happening, right. And when I say how we talk 295 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 4: about it, what I mean now is that a lot 296 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 4: of times we talk about it from specifically the financial 297 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 4: piece of their aspect of it, or even through a 298 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 4: lens that's not early ours, meaning that someone from outside 299 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:04,960 Speaker 4: our communities telling us was good in our community, and 300 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,199 Speaker 4: we're listening to them. And I can't wait to the 301 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 4: point where we actually term it was good for us, 302 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 4: put money behind that and increase the value of those 303 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 4: things as well. 304 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:14,559 Speaker 2: And we're doing that some now. 305 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:16,199 Speaker 4: But but but I'd like to see more of that 306 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 4: happening as well. 307 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,599 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, Now you all were doing the stuff and 308 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 1: it was it was going well, like when did when 309 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: was zukot born? And what does zookot mean? Like how 310 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 1: did y'all even land on that idea? 311 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 4: So it's funny doing the art taste things. I'm sorry 312 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 4: doing the So we did something called Artaste number one 313 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:34,439 Speaker 4: where we talked about collecting, how to collect, why to collect, 314 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 4: but not what to collect. We started doing those early 315 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 4: on also to educate people about why why collecting is important. 316 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 4: After that, we had a partnership. I don't know if 317 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,319 Speaker 4: you all remember, uh Straits. 318 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 3: Was Luchris, Yeah, the restaurant that was the one. It's 319 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 3: the State Market now exactly. 320 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 2: So we used to we used to do art there there, 321 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 2: the art for them. 322 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:00,439 Speaker 4: Solo hooked us up over there and he was running 323 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,199 Speaker 4: the restaurant at the time, and we would do art 324 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 4: in conjunction with the radio station, and we would have 325 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 4: art on the walls and we have and then we'd 326 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:12,839 Speaker 4: also do those art tastings. Now, during this whole time, 327 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:16,040 Speaker 4: we were still renting out gallery spaces doing shows throughout 328 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 4: the city. We find a gallery, hey, let us rent out. 329 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 4: You know, how much would it cost us for you 330 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 4: to take everything down for the weekend? 331 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 2: You know, let us let us hang some work up. 332 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 4: So we started with that and at the same time 333 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 4: this is going on, Well it's time for us to 334 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 4: our next show. 335 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 2: The Zukai Gallery back then was owned by our. 336 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 4: Business partner now Troy Taylor, So we have the same 337 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 4: type of conversation, Hey, Troy, we want to talk about 338 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 4: possibly doing the show. Well, you know, Troy and I met, 339 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 4: we had some conversations, and then we ended up doing 340 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 4: a show together that was in conjuncture of the time 341 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 4: during the morning show because we're also doing work with 342 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 4: the cruises and all that kind of stuff back then. 343 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 2: And it was a really good show. We had a 344 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 2: great time. 345 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 4: I invited Troy to an art tasting at Straits and 346 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 4: so after that we have a more and more conversation. 347 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 2: Now let's do it. 348 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 4: Let's do a full show. So we do it this 349 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 4: exhibition together. Our exhibition is done, Troy comes to me 350 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 4: and Omari and we're all talking and how well the 351 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 4: show went. And this is when that was up for longer, 352 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 4: for like three weeks, which is crazy for us at 353 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 4: the time, right, not a weekend. 354 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 2: And Troy cameeps and says, you know what. 355 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 4: Man, they said, and life is important to do well, 356 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 4: but it's more important to do good. What would it 357 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 4: be like if we just did good together? And so 358 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 4: we formed a partnership then, and Zukai Galler then became 359 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 4: with the time we were a premier art they was 360 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 4: doing Zukai Gallery Foreign a company called H and T 361 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 4: Art Partners and we've been going ever since. And Zukat 362 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 4: is actually his Troy's grandmother was the first to be 363 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 4: able to sell her goods in the marketplace in Saint 364 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 4: Kitts and now in the Saint Kids. And they used 365 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 4: to say that she was a shrewd businesswoman, and they 366 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 4: would say that her Timberman was more of a zoocat, 367 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 4: which is you know, vicious, you know, you know, so 368 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 4: zoocats often of a zuokat, so they affectionally called her 369 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 4: a Zukat. So it's named after a family member. So 370 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 4: when you think about it's two families coming together. So 371 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 4: it's my brother and I along with our father and 372 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 4: his artwork, and then it's Troy with his family legacy 373 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 4: as well. 374 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: We all came together. So the name zuka okay. And 375 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: I mean I've been in the space. The space is amazing. 376 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: I mean, for those that haven't, you got to go 377 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: check it out. I've been to definitely some different events, activations. 378 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: They're also seeing stuff. But like one thing I appreciate 379 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: about it too is it's it feels very open, you know. 380 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I haven't been to a ton of art 381 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 1: galleries so you know, but if I could tell you 382 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: know what I mean, it's very open, right, But like 383 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: what did you all do when you all as you 384 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: all kind of like start to evolve the idea with 385 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: Troy and everybody else to make sure that it didn't 386 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: feel intimidating Because I know a lot of people get 387 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: a lot of black folks, A lot of people probably 388 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 1: don't spend a lot of time in art galleries. They 389 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: maybe think it's intimidating, right, So like what were you 390 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: all doing intentionally to make sure that it felt welcoming 391 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 1: and open like that? 392 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 2: I think that's where that disrupt innovation piece comes in. Right. 393 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 4: So when you think about traditional galay, when you think 394 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 4: about the stereotypical gallery, what you think about it's like 395 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 4: it's quiet, stale. People don't speak to you, you know, 396 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 4: unless you know, people want to acknowledge you when you 397 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 4: walk in the door. 398 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 2: But I also realize, like, look, if we're. 399 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 4: Making an unapoject the black space, we're making it for 400 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 4: black people. Now, you try to walk into a space 401 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 4: and not speak to somebody when they come to your door, 402 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 4: you already start off wrong, right, So how do we 403 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 4: make it welcoming? 404 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:24,119 Speaker 2: In general? 405 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 4: But then also what are we playing, like, what music 406 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,880 Speaker 4: is in the background, what's that? Is it something that 407 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 4: that's familiar, you know, whether it be jazz or R 408 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:35,679 Speaker 4: and B, whatever it is. Is it something that we 409 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 4: you know, that that that that makes you feel like, 410 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 4: wait a minute, this is different than what I was expecting. 411 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,119 Speaker 4: And then you walk in and somebody there saying welcome 412 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:48,239 Speaker 4: to the Zuka Gallery, smile on their face, talking to you, 413 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,199 Speaker 4: and then trying their best to answer any questions you 414 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:54,360 Speaker 4: might have, and so you can you then feel even 415 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:58,199 Speaker 4: more comfortable because now you're like, man like, so so 416 00:17:58,280 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 4: tell me what is this? 417 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:01,719 Speaker 2: What is this paint? Like, why do you do this 418 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 2: or what? 419 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 4: And and so you're having now this dialogue what we've 420 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 4: gone what we've gone to now as we uh kind 421 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 4: of put more and more technology in the gallery. Uh, 422 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 4: we have QR codes down next to a lot of 423 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 4: the work as well that then talks about the the 424 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 4: narratives from the artists perspective as well, so now they 425 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 4: can read about what they're looking at. Also, so there's 426 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 4: some video things that we're doing as well as coming up. 427 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,439 Speaker 4: We're trying to work with some AI concepts right now 428 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 4: as well. Just trying to get more and more of 429 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 4: that out there. So that connection from you to the artwork, 430 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 4: to understanding it and to why it's important for you 431 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 4: to either. 432 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 2: Put this in your office, you're building your home. 433 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 4: Why that's important can all be connected a little bit 434 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:46,199 Speaker 4: easier and it's and you feel comfortable doing it and 435 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:49,680 Speaker 4: it's not as something where uh, you don't feel like 436 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 4: you belong. And so you know, I always think about 437 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:56,679 Speaker 4: when you when you design spaces like that for people 438 00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 4: of a of a certain demographic with this this with 439 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 4: them in mind, everyone else feels comfortable as well. So 440 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 4: what works for now that we're designed? Now whoever comes 441 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 4: and feels comfortable and they're in the space. 442 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, Now, tell me a little bit about the kind 443 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: of the business of art galleries, right, like what's like 444 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 1: the day to day, Like, you know, what's the business 445 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 1: model behind in art gallery? 446 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 4: So the business, you know, it's funny galleries make a 447 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 4: you know money a few ways of course selling work. 448 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 4: In that regard, you think about it almost like the 449 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 4: music business where if we're the label, then you have 450 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 4: the artists, then you sell the artists works and then 451 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 4: artists gets a piece of it. The gallery keeps a 452 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:36,439 Speaker 4: piece that's one side. But then for example, we just 453 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 4: did a film recently in the gallery, So there's rentals 454 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 4: like that, there's event rentals, things like that that also 455 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,680 Speaker 4: help continue because the business in general is just it's 456 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 4: an expensive, costly business. I mean light bulbs alone, right, 457 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 4: So you you have to feel other ways of staying open. 458 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 4: So whether it be selling the art. We also can 459 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 4: least art to films. We can rent the space out 460 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 4: for films, rent the space out for private events. But 461 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 4: there's always these other things that we're doing constantly because 462 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 4: that monthly is necessary, right, and so to pay the mortgage. 463 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 4: But not only that though, to make sure that the 464 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 4: artist is taken care of, to make sure that. 465 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 2: All the bills are paid. 466 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 4: And in times like this where we're seeing all this 467 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 4: funning and erasure happen, you have to become even more creative. 468 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 2: And so that's what we're doing now. 469 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 3: You know, Now there's art. 470 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 1: There's one side of art obviously, I think collecting and 471 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: people want to get into that. And I mean even 472 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: for me, I'm starting to get into a space like 473 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:39,679 Speaker 1: all right, I need to get me some pieces up 474 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 1: in here. 475 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 3: You know, I'm come over there and check y'all out. 476 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 3: You know, hopefully y'all got some stuff on the firm 477 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 3: and I'm playing. 478 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 2: But we got payment plans though. 479 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 3: There we go, there we go. 480 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: But you know, for a lot of people too, I 481 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 1: think there's some intimidation because they don't understand one out 482 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: artist's price. But they also I think they probably have 483 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 1: a perception or just like almost a asset class, right, 484 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 1: Like what do other communities know about, you know, leveraging 485 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 1: art as an asset and kind of building wealth through 486 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: art that our community doesn't. 487 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 4: Know I would I would honestly say most communities are 488 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 4: not aware a wealth class that that may be more 489 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 4: aware of. 490 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 2: But you know, the. 491 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 4: Way art really gets value is through the secondary market, 492 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 4: which is like auction houses, and so you know, you 493 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:23,120 Speaker 4: see we see this on TV all the time, people 494 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 4: paddos bidding on things. Everything else is driving up the 495 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 4: value of things, and once it's driven up, it's. 496 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 2: Now worth this new value. 497 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,360 Speaker 4: Well to kind of explain this in a kind of 498 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:42,120 Speaker 4: a loose way, just just for time, but literally, artwork 499 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 4: is something that you can control or increase value of 500 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 4: through the secondary market. If you look at works like 501 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 4: even like Biboskia, for example. And so you have a 502 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 4: piece that sells for one hundred and ten dollars in auction, right. Well, 503 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 4: people never talk about, though, is the fact that the 504 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 4: billionaire who bought that piece had one at one point 505 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,400 Speaker 4: before that for eighty five million dollars. 506 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 2: That evolved. 507 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:06,959 Speaker 4: Then you as a question, what happens to that investment 508 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:08,959 Speaker 4: eighty five million dollars when you about this next one 509 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 4: foe hundred and ten million dollars increase the value of everything, right, 510 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 4: But at the same time, what happens. 511 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,240 Speaker 2: Is at a lower level when you start this. 512 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 4: Whatever I say something is, it is meaning like value. 513 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 2: So right now we know if you look at a Louis. 514 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,840 Speaker 4: Vuitton pers that's canvas, it can cost more than a 515 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:28,360 Speaker 4: coach bag. 516 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 2: Right, that's leather, which costs. 517 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:35,400 Speaker 4: More canvas or leather, But in this case it is canvas. Right, 518 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 4: So what happens a lot of times in the art 519 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 4: world you can have a piece. Let's say we all 520 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 4: begin to collect and we're now buying at a certain 521 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 4: price point. Now I'm saying, all right, Bran, I need 522 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 4: you to get on the board. 523 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 2: Of this museum. 524 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 4: I need someone else to begin to write about this work. 525 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 4: We're now publishing the work. We make sure it's now 526 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 4: being placed at the museums on the boards that you're 527 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 4: part of. We're now also getting the word out and 528 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,239 Speaker 4: now we're supporting this gallery and this artist who at 529 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 4: the same time now are beginning to grow and. 530 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 2: Grow this this this base. 531 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 4: This marketing base for this particular artist. Now we're all 532 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 4: doing this with one another. So now we have your 533 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 4: collective friends are buying the word. We're all buying it, 534 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 4: let's say at five to fifteen thousand dollars as it 535 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 4: goes up. Now, at some point we say, look, it's 536 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 4: time for us now to take this to auction. Now, mind, 537 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 4: I'm really streamlined this example. 538 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 2: So when we go to. 539 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 4: Auction, we say, all right, browd, need you put two 540 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 4: of your pieces up in auction. 541 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 2: Now. The plan is that we're going to buy them back. 542 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 2: But when we buy them. 543 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 4: Back, we're going to drive the price up to a 544 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,439 Speaker 4: certain price point, and then we're going to buy them 545 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 4: back at the new price. The reason why we do 546 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 4: that is that when when artists are praise, a praise 547 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 4: is look at how much work went for at auction, 548 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 4: and they use that sometimes as a baseline, So you 549 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 4: do this over enough times. Next thing, you know, the 550 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 4: pieces that were that you were buying for five and 551 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 4: six thousand, twelve thousand, depending what the market was saying 552 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 4: now against now the secondary market, which is the auction houses. 553 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 4: You've not just increased value that way, which is why 554 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 4: you'll see a Picasso worth three hundred million, like how 555 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 4: does it even get to be that much? 556 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 2: But it's happening in an entire different space. It's happening 557 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 2: in the auction market. And I think. 558 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 4: That's a space that's wide open for us in our 559 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 4: communities currently. Our work is there, but we're not there 560 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 4: and right and also you begin to ask a question 561 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 4: and is that, well, who's determined the value of our things? 562 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,120 Speaker 4: And if we're not in a room, guess who can't 563 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 4: do that? We don't And we also then don't get 564 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,919 Speaker 4: the benefit of that new value because with that you 565 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 4: can now borrow off of you can do all types 566 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 4: of things with it. 567 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,159 Speaker 2: It's literally creating capital and wealth. 568 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 4: You know, most wealthy people have in art collections, not 569 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 4: because you get money all of a sudden, you. 570 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 2: Just love art. It's a tool. 571 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 4: And what I will say though, is that before you 572 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 4: get to that part. I know from what we do, 573 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 4: we want to talk more about the intrinsic value of 574 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 4: it as well, because it's important that we also tell 575 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 4: our stories and we collect our so so we can 576 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 4: pass them down to the next generation, so that there 577 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 4: is meaning behind the work as well. It's not art 578 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 4: for just art's sake, you know, And we got to 579 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 4: start caring about those things also, Yeah, because I. 580 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: Think one thing I remember you talking about is how, 581 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: you know, we get told kind of who the top 582 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 1: artists are in our community about people from outside of 583 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 1: our culture, Like why do you think that kind of 584 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:24,880 Speaker 1: stuff happens? 585 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 3: Because we're not in those rooms. 586 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 4: Right right, But also we allowed to happen. And honestly, 587 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 4: think about it, how much power do we have to 588 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 4: go to any other culture and tell them what's great 589 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 4: in theirs with anybody listening to If I said, hey, 590 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 4: you know, you know this antiquity that's not for my 591 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,639 Speaker 4: culture is the most important thing ever, and that culture 592 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,400 Speaker 4: would be like, no, it's not, we don't even care 593 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 4: about that. But in our case, a lot of times 594 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 4: it's done. I think that and we're beginning to see 595 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 4: more control of that happening now where we're beginning to 596 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 4: take the reins and kind of and there's pockets of 597 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 4: collectors now who're saying, no, I think we like this, 598 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 4: and I think, you know, I think that you know, 599 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 4: we can take some of these rules that have been 600 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 4: created around our work and do away with those and 601 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 4: ask a question, why is that the rule? 602 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 2: You know? 603 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 4: And so I think ownership is everything. The same thing 604 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 4: happens in music, you know, in many of the ours. 605 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,679 Speaker 4: Really you know, we're still fighting to tell our stories 606 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 4: in film right now because of the ownership problem. 607 00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 1: So same way, what does what does more support like 608 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 1: that look like? Because again I think for a lot 609 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: of folks, there's just a general intimidation factors, lack of knowledge. 610 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:30,919 Speaker 2: You know. 611 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: It's it's always interesting too, like you know, I do 612 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff with the city and we talk 613 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 1: about things like grants all the time, and it's like 614 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: you kind of find out it's like the same couple 615 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,439 Speaker 1: people get the grants, so that's all it hears about them, 616 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And so we don't even 617 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,160 Speaker 1: know to look to get this information, like how can 618 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 1: we how can our community be more intentional about getting 619 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 1: involved in educating ourselves and finding ways that we can support. 620 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 2: I would say it step one, Just go to the 621 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 2: gallery on Saturday. Just go in there. You'd be surprised. 622 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 4: I know the number of you will come to the 623 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 4: gallery and say things like, man, I don't expect this. 624 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 4: I like this right, you know, because once again you 625 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 4: it it's this initial idea versus what's real. And I 626 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 4: think that when you see spaces that are dedicated to you, 627 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,240 Speaker 4: there's gonna be a natural connection to some of those 628 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:16,360 Speaker 4: things that you see in there now. So so initially 629 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 4: it's not all about just coming there, like if I 630 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 4: come in there, I gotta buy painting today. No, it's 631 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 4: not like that. First of all, you need to determine 632 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 4: what you even like right now. There's other ways of 633 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 4: supporting galleries, whether it be through you know, many a 634 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 4: gallery will have all other types of books to merch 635 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 4: everything else if you just want to support the space. 636 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 4: But when it comes down to finding work, you know, 637 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:38,719 Speaker 4: what you in in your walls is a reflection who 638 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 4: you are. So we want to help you find that 639 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 4: piece that reflects who you are. And I guarantee when 640 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,360 Speaker 4: you put up work in your home, it does something 641 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,919 Speaker 4: for you and your home, like it's just it's a 642 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 4: feeling that I can't describe unless you do it. 643 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 2: We have something called. 644 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,239 Speaker 4: Zuokat at Home where we ask people to send us 645 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 4: in images of work they bought from the gallery so 646 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,199 Speaker 4: we can show what what it looks like in the 647 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 4: home space and if you were taking to take that 648 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 4: work down, that space will look completely different. 649 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,639 Speaker 2: But also those people bought that piece for a reason. 650 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,800 Speaker 4: You have people say, look, man, every time I get 651 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,160 Speaker 4: I make a new deal or a business or something 652 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 4: like that, I'm gonna go buy I'm gonna commemorate it 653 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,879 Speaker 4: with a painting. Or there were couples, actually there was 654 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 4: a couple that every year they gave them they gave 655 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 4: one another every gift, they gave one a piece of 656 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,360 Speaker 4: art for so whether the anniversary, birthday, whatever, it was 657 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 4: just a piece of art. 658 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 2: No matter the price point. The artists, I'm giving you 659 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 2: art for for. 660 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 4: These for these holidays or these these special moments. And 661 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 4: then that collection became the basis of the collection that's 662 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 4: now at the Gap Museum in North Carolina. 663 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 2: And so there when we think about what we have, a. 664 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 4: Lot of times we don't see it as that you 665 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 4: buy what you like first, and I guarantee you a 666 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 4: lot of the many of the blue. 667 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 2: Chip arts that we have now. 668 00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 4: When people bought them that first time around, they were 669 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 4: just buying with it. 670 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 2: And we need to be part of that. 671 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 4: Instead of waiting on validation to come first and then 672 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 4: trying to catch it on the second wave, we need 673 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 4: to be participating. 674 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 2: In what we determined was good and was not from 675 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 2: our perspective. 676 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 3: So why would you like, yeah, you know, it's funny, man. 677 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: I think about a year ago I went to a 678 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: meeting and it was at this this this lady's home 679 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: up in Buckhead, and you walked in and it was 680 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: just art everywhere, And I mean it was some expensive 681 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: art up in there too, Like I mean it was 682 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 1: even it even had this one piece I'll never forget. 683 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: She had this one piece where it was a it 684 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: was a TV screen and it was a guy that 685 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 1: was like sweeping trash and the way he would sweep 686 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 1: the trash. 687 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 3: It was a clock and it was like it was real. 688 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 1: It was a real clock though, like that was the 689 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 1: actual time, like he was basically not I'm like it 690 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 1: was some kind of performance art where I guess he 691 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: spent however much time, Like basically sweeping trash into these 692 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 1: lines and for every minute it would line up. But 693 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: you're just sitting there thinking like wow, right, So to 694 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 1: your point, like it's a reflect of you, Like how 695 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 1: does a person like you know when you recommend that? 696 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: Like what should people be thinking about when they go 697 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 1: into these galleries to find something that kind of represents them? 698 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,960 Speaker 1: Are there certain things they should look forward think about? 699 00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 1: I mean, because obviously they might not be as educated 700 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 1: and what to start with, but like, can you give 701 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: them some advice on like how should you even you know, 702 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 1: kind of think about what inspires you or what kind 703 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 1: of art might be interesting? 704 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 2: I would say used to be open. 705 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 4: I think when I when I always talk about it 706 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 4: in comparison to everything else, right, when I say that, 707 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 4: I'm talking about the other arts. Right, So, the same 708 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 4: way a poem, a song can evoke emotion, can make 709 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 4: you laugh, it can make you cry, So can art 710 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,479 Speaker 4: if you let it. So just go in there, and 711 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,479 Speaker 4: I guarantee you you will find things you like. Uh, 712 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 4: some of the best parallels I can think of, Even 713 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 4: in fashion, there are certain things, there are certain places 714 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 4: you can go. You can walk into a store and 715 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 4: there's certain things and that's all those shirts at all 716 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 4: those pants that just you're drawn to, no rhyme, no reason, 717 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 4: you just drawn to it. It's the same way there's 718 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 4: certain songs I like. I have no idea what I 719 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 4: like them. Right, it's the exact same thing. 720 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 2: I think. What happens sometimes we try to. 721 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 4: We look for outside influence to tell us what's good, 722 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 4: and now we do it in a lot right with everything. 723 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 4: I always give this an example of if you have 724 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 4: on something I don't like, you telling me the name 725 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 4: brand of it does not matter. I still don't like 726 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 4: that thing. 727 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 2: But in our. 728 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 4: Society a lot of times that may change in one's mind. Right, 729 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 4: art is not that though artists like, do you like 730 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 4: it? It doesn't matter who else had it. It doesn't matter if 731 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 4: if somebody else is the greatest painting ever, you may 732 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 4: not like it. So what you literally is what do 733 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 4: you like? And in the society and the time right now, 734 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 4: we're told we to like so much. For some people 735 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 4: that's somewhat difficult. So I always just say, approach it 736 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 4: with an open mind, come in to just enjoy yourself, 737 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 4: and actually pay you to what's on the walls, because 738 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 4: so many times we go into spaces. We don't even 739 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 4: look at the walls, right, but take a look. It's 740 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 4: just spend time in that spaces. Understand who the artists are. 741 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 4: Because sometimes the painting itself may not be the main 742 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 4: thing you love. You may love the narrative about the 743 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 4: painting even more than you love the painting in the 744 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 4: story and what it stands for. So allow your tough 745 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 4: time to absorb all those things and ask questions. 746 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, now, I mean, you know, like when you think 747 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 1: about that too, Like even looking at the sweatshirt, you're 748 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 1: going right now, the culture costs, right, Like, I know, 749 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: a big thing with you was intentionality and make sure 750 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: people aren't being performative and how they support and being 751 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: more intentional how they support, Like you know, what does 752 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 1: it look like in people's everyday behavior when it comes 753 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: to just the arts in general, and how they can 754 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,600 Speaker 1: be more intentional and understanding that culture does. 755 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 2: Cost I think now more than ever. 756 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 4: It's becoming more apparent just because of what's happening in 757 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 4: this country right now. We're watching erase rapping all around us, 758 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 4: and it's like, what are we going to do to 759 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 4: respond to this? You know, like they're closing our museums. Okay, 760 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 4: so what's like, save me with the complaints. This stuff 761 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 4: has been happening to black folks in this country forever. 762 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 4: What are we going to do about it? And because 763 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 4: our ancestors did things to protect what's ours, it's our. 764 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 2: Turnout to do the exact same thing. 765 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 4: And so when you look at whether they be rature 766 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 4: of our books, you know, complete bodies of works, but 767 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 4: authors have been taken out right, and we're complaining about it. 768 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 4: This is the action piece of an action piece is 769 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 4: to support it any way you see possible. 770 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 2: We even do field. 771 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:19,239 Speaker 4: Trips now for young people through our nonprofit organization, our 772 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 4: Brother's Foundation, just so they can even understand the imports 773 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 4: of at a young age. 774 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 2: But we have to. 775 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 4: We have to perform in a way we show up 776 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 4: to support, not just with you know, I came in 777 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 4: and saw, but also with our dollars, with our time, 778 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 4: pass the word along, encourage it, and be intentional. So 779 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 4: if I know that Castleberry is the high casterbury here 780 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 4: in Atlanta that is the highest contraction to after making 781 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 4: our own businesses, then maybe I should go to Castleberry a 782 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 4: little bit more, just try to shop around a little 783 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 4: bit more to make sure Castleberry still exists. 784 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 2: Right. 785 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 4: So it's things that we need to do just from 786 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 4: an intention, and it's not hard to do. It's just supporting, 787 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 4: spreading word. If you don't live in Line, you gotta 788 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 4: free go on to letting Hey, check out Zukau Gallery 789 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 4: while you're there, you know, like you know. 790 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 2: Check out these places while you're. 791 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:12,120 Speaker 4: There, you know. And I think with that intent, we're 792 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 4: gonna be okay. I think sometimes when we when we 793 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 4: as we ascended financially, at times we can get further 794 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 4: and further away from our things, and it's important. 795 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:28,719 Speaker 2: That we do not do that. 796 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 4: And and so like, what's the luxury brands that we 797 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 4: buy that are black owned? Why aren't there more? Why 798 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 4: do we love certain things certain brands? 799 00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 2: And then we will. 800 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 4: Completely criticize some of the black owns. Why And so 801 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,360 Speaker 4: that's why I say it's a complex conversation, but at 802 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 4: the end of the day, it's a challenging one that 803 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 4: we have to address with grace understanding because we all 804 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,239 Speaker 4: understand some of some of the traumas and everything else 805 00:34:58,280 --> 00:34:59,359 Speaker 4: that we're also dealing with. 806 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,239 Speaker 2: So we deal with we deal with the patients. 807 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,719 Speaker 4: But it's like Yo, at the same time, while we're 808 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 4: trying to get past these things. 809 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 2: Things are closing. 810 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 4: There's businesses, historical landmarks, things are being shut down, so 811 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 4: we need to address it in a way of urgency, 812 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,319 Speaker 4: but that's thoughtful at the same time. So for us, 813 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,320 Speaker 4: it's saying just come to the gallery. You know, we're 814 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 4: you know, we are literally here on two sides. One 815 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 4: of this financial piece that we've spoken about, but there's 816 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 4: community side as well, which is like to nonprofits and 817 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,239 Speaker 4: things like that that we're doing to actually help the 818 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,399 Speaker 4: next generation, including art tastes on Saturday as where we're 819 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 4: just trying to educate us about collecting art period. 820 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,280 Speaker 2: So we do something in the gallery. 821 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:46,239 Speaker 4: They're free for the gallery are tasting maybe every six 822 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,600 Speaker 4: weeks or so, where artists comes in and talks about 823 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,239 Speaker 4: the work, how to collect, why to collect, but now 824 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,800 Speaker 4: what to collect. We do those and then we we've 825 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 4: spread it out now so we're doing for corporations as well. 826 00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,439 Speaker 2: Those are not free, but we do those as well 827 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:01,360 Speaker 2: as well, though, because. 828 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,279 Speaker 4: We want to talk about also how you communicate your 829 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 4: your diversity proposition or your values as a company. You 830 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 4: can do that by what you're hang on your walls. 831 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 4: So stop telling me what it is, show it to me. 832 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 4: And so those are these are other areas that we're 833 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:20,320 Speaker 4: looking at, and how do we continue to fight against 834 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 4: what's happening and quietly, you know, this erasure that we're 835 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 4: seeing right now has always been in the backside. It's 836 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,400 Speaker 4: just it's just now more in our face. And so 837 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 4: it's not justily a bad thing. It's now saying, hey, 838 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 4: we may need to speed up on the way we message, 839 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 4: the way we respond to those messages, and how we 840 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 4: fight back with our dollars. 841 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, the erasure intentionality behind that is very obvious, 842 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 1: but it's also very interesting kind of when you take 843 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 1: a step back and look at how it all happens, right, 844 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,879 Speaker 1: because I think for a lot of people, you know, 845 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 1: their form of activism is just saying this isn't cool 846 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 1: on social media. Then they kind of go into the 847 00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:58,920 Speaker 1: next thing, Right, It's like, okay, well you also have 848 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 1: to go out or act, you know what I mean, 849 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 1: or like or just saying oh, I don't like what's 850 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,360 Speaker 1: happening in politics, Well you also have to like go vote, 851 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and like or you think 852 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,880 Speaker 1: about ownership, you know, like there's this whole idea right now, 853 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:12,400 Speaker 1: where oh, you don't have to own. 854 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:13,800 Speaker 3: Anything, you can just rent everything. 855 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,319 Speaker 1: And and again I think for our community that's what's 856 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,520 Speaker 1: really dangerous, right It's like, you know, it's like this 857 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 1: whole idea of like you don't have to own anything. 858 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,279 Speaker 1: You can you just hit a button that shows up, 859 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,319 Speaker 1: or you can rent to own, or you can you know, 860 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,520 Speaker 1: lease it, or you know, you don't need a car, 861 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,000 Speaker 1: you can just get uber like, or you don't have 862 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:29,600 Speaker 1: to need a house, you can just rent forever, right Like. 863 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,800 Speaker 1: Ownership is important, especially in our community right exactly. 864 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,799 Speaker 4: And what ends up happening is that if we don't 865 00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,040 Speaker 4: own it, somebody owns it, right And and why is 866 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 4: a narrative being pushed to us? And it's not being 867 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:45,960 Speaker 4: pushed to everyone, right, So there's something special that that exists, 868 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,680 Speaker 4: that's there that clearly some powers that beer trying to kill. 869 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,399 Speaker 4: And so the resistance then is that, you know, doctor 870 00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,719 Speaker 4: key A Village market always says support is a verb. 871 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,520 Speaker 4: Same type of situation where what's the verb? What's your 872 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 4: verb that you're doing more than in post? You know, 873 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 4: what's your verb? And like I said, it's not necessarily 874 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,200 Speaker 4: always financial it's tell us someone else about it's an opportunity. 875 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 4: We get so many calls with people saying, hey, I 876 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,279 Speaker 4: was refer to you by so and so. You know 877 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,960 Speaker 4: that goes I mean they goes. That goes to keeping 878 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,680 Speaker 4: doors open, bills paid, everything else, right, And I think 879 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:28,080 Speaker 4: that just those conversations, and even for us right now 880 00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:32,759 Speaker 4: understanding what's going on, we started doing black business Saturdays 881 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:35,840 Speaker 4: certain times in the month. We just invite other businesses 882 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,400 Speaker 4: into our gallery who don't necessarily have a brick and mortar, 883 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 4: so you can get they can have some of our clientele. 884 00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:45,400 Speaker 4: It's things like that. But we're all very intentional, you know. 885 00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 4: And I think that as long as that continues to happen, 886 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,000 Speaker 4: we're all gonna be right. Especially if we can't get 887 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:56,400 Speaker 4: it right in the city like Atlanta. I mean, we 888 00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:00,279 Speaker 4: literally are if it fails here, we are this is 889 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,600 Speaker 4: that we are gone, you know. And so that's why 890 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:06,240 Speaker 4: I appreciate so much, even even at the city level 891 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,560 Speaker 4: and this administration and their attention to some things that 892 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,080 Speaker 4: we're concerned about it in regards when it comes to 893 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 4: just the arts in general, for example, I know this 894 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:20,160 Speaker 4: is probably the most we've personally seen from an administration 895 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,799 Speaker 4: in regards to that. So I appreciate the political side 896 00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,200 Speaker 4: of it as well and recognize it's importance for the city. 897 00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:29,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, one thing you also talked about is that, you know, 898 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:31,520 Speaker 1: if we don't do these things, we could be the 899 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,719 Speaker 1: generation that loses a lot of the stuff that it 900 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,839 Speaker 1: kind of sets it back. Like what's your perception on that. 901 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,640 Speaker 4: It's like not on my watch man, you know, like 902 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:40,919 Speaker 4: I'm gonna do everything I can man to make sure 903 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,520 Speaker 4: that we don't lose these things, especially you know, this 904 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,480 Speaker 4: being our home and you know, growing up in the 905 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,680 Speaker 4: city where I saw people look like me at every 906 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:53,359 Speaker 4: position of power, Like, I don't want to lose that. 907 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:58,040 Speaker 4: And I also recognize how rare that is for this country. 908 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:04,000 Speaker 4: So if it's not gonna be, what other city is there? 909 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:09,280 Speaker 2: Right? And so I think that we can get. 910 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:13,160 Speaker 4: Too comfortable with the history of this city, and we 911 00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,840 Speaker 4: have to make sure that we recognize that people like 912 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,680 Speaker 4: yourself are creating history right now. 913 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:19,880 Speaker 2: And for that very reason, you. 914 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,960 Speaker 4: Need to be supported to make sure that the next 915 00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,360 Speaker 4: branding that comes up is supported the same way. And 916 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,960 Speaker 4: it's easy, and it should get easier and easier for 917 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,000 Speaker 4: this next generation, like they should not have to fight 918 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,799 Speaker 4: as hard, whether it be from mentorship to true mentorship, 919 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:39,640 Speaker 4: you know, and just giving free advice, you know, all 920 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,640 Speaker 4: those things that maybe you've learned in the past. Where 921 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,760 Speaker 4: I'm not competing with my elders, but I'm actually getting 922 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:50,279 Speaker 4: true support for all those things. And I think I'm 923 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:54,520 Speaker 4: fortunate enough to see that that have gotten some support 924 00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,640 Speaker 4: from people who did not have to take the time 925 00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,279 Speaker 4: to spend with me. And now I understand that that's 926 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:00,520 Speaker 4: my responsibility as well. 927 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember I was talking to I got Terrence 928 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,600 Speaker 1: all Britain and started Grady baby coat right, and like 929 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,560 Speaker 1: he was kind of saying, yeah, like if you have 930 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,720 Speaker 1: the opportunity to help the next generation of your kids 931 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,120 Speaker 1: start on second or third base, Like why wouldn't you 932 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:12,640 Speaker 1: like this? 933 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,359 Speaker 4: I think, And and you know, and and and at 934 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:20,960 Speaker 4: the same time still instilling the importance of the community aspect, 935 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,000 Speaker 4: because so while you might have started on third base, 936 00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,680 Speaker 4: it's a kid still at home right now, you know, 937 00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,360 Speaker 4: So now you no need to look look out for 938 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:34,360 Speaker 4: them too, I think. And so Atlanta's an interesting place 939 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:36,960 Speaker 4: we were. I was at a dinner last night and 940 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:41,520 Speaker 4: we were talking about like how many affluent Black neighborhoods 941 00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,600 Speaker 4: are there in this city. These are asking why not, 942 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:47,040 Speaker 4: Like where where can you go where you see? You know, 943 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:51,000 Speaker 4: where are these pockets of us that that are doing well, 944 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,880 Speaker 4: that that have nice grocery stores, have nice areas that 945 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:56,200 Speaker 4: we live in communities? 946 00:41:58,400 --> 00:41:59,319 Speaker 2: Where's that? Where's that? 947 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,440 Speaker 4: And if, like I said, Atlanta's the test for the 948 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,520 Speaker 4: rest of the nation, right and if we can't get 949 00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:06,680 Speaker 4: it right here in Atlanta. 950 00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:07,359 Speaker 2: Where we get it right at? 951 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:13,160 Speaker 4: And so I'm fully optimistic in this city and understand 952 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,080 Speaker 4: the importance of spaces like ours and like the other 953 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,759 Speaker 4: black others in the city and other Black spaces like 954 00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:23,720 Speaker 4: from the gathering spot to village market, that are creating 955 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:29,200 Speaker 4: the spaces where our stores are being told to everyone 956 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:30,000 Speaker 4: into the world. 957 00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,719 Speaker 1: You mentioned Art Brothers Foundation, but I want to kind 958 00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:34,920 Speaker 1: of go back on that, tell us a little bit 959 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:35,440 Speaker 1: more about that. 960 00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:39,000 Speaker 4: So our Brother's Foundation, we say that the acronym is 961 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:40,680 Speaker 4: that everyone can come to Zuka to eat. 962 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:42,640 Speaker 2: Eat is eat. 963 00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,120 Speaker 4: It's the entrepreneurship, arts and technology, it's where they all 964 00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,799 Speaker 4: kind of meet. And so we've put together programs for 965 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,960 Speaker 4: young people from from elementary school all the. 966 00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:53,960 Speaker 2: Way up to through college, whether it be. 967 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,439 Speaker 4: We have internship programs that we're due, but we also 968 00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,920 Speaker 4: do field trust for young people. We also had a 969 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:02,920 Speaker 4: partnership with Microsoft, so we have a lot of technology 970 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,000 Speaker 4: in the gallery so we can do tours or things 971 00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,840 Speaker 4: like that through using something technology in the galleries and 972 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,480 Speaker 4: the QR codes and all that good stuff. And I 973 00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,359 Speaker 4: can tell you our very first field trip was years 974 00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,440 Speaker 4: ago at this point. But I remember the first school 975 00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,600 Speaker 4: was like a open was like open campus right when I. 976 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:19,360 Speaker 3: Was open campus. 977 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:22,680 Speaker 2: It's like one of the transitional schools, right. 978 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:27,520 Speaker 4: And I remember I was holding the door and I 979 00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:28,880 Speaker 4: was holding a door open for the kids to come 980 00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:30,680 Speaker 4: get off the bus. And this kid walks past me 981 00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:31,960 Speaker 4: and he doesn't know I'm one of the owners of 982 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,399 Speaker 4: the gallery. And you just hear my saying this about 983 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,399 Speaker 4: to be oh because you know he come to a gallery, right, 984 00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:37,400 Speaker 4: And I just smiled. 985 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,680 Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, this is about one of those groups, right. 986 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:41,919 Speaker 4: So we had a chair set up and I walk 987 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:43,600 Speaker 4: up to the front and introduced myself as one of 988 00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,040 Speaker 4: the owners of the gallery. I see his face like 989 00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,319 Speaker 4: like I just called this man stuff bys right. But 990 00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,400 Speaker 4: in those forty five minutes of us talking about the 991 00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,480 Speaker 4: art business showed him around the gallery having to pick 992 00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:00,279 Speaker 4: out stuff that they like, you know, mister Dennison, and 993 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,520 Speaker 4: when I get X amount of dollars, I'm gonna buy 994 00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,600 Speaker 4: that painting. But my things that you can change a 995 00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:09,360 Speaker 4: child's life in a very short amount of time and 996 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:10,440 Speaker 4: maybe possibly change. 997 00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:14,719 Speaker 2: The trajectory or life just by exposure. And so that's what. 998 00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,920 Speaker 4: The Art Brothers Foundation is about, and it's about creating 999 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:21,320 Speaker 4: moments like that, but at the same time doing the 1000 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,200 Speaker 4: same thing for adults in those art taste things where 1001 00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:24,800 Speaker 4: somebody says, man, I don't even thought about was on 1002 00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,160 Speaker 4: my walls at the house, but man, I guess I 1003 00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,680 Speaker 4: could or I should the next time the next building 1004 00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,719 Speaker 4: I designed, create spaces for this, you know, or in 1005 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:39,960 Speaker 4: tiered designers saying that I have I have never created 1006 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:44,000 Speaker 4: an aesthetic that included works by American artists and they're 1007 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:48,719 Speaker 4: African Americans. So it's like it's it's necessary on both sides, 1008 00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:50,080 Speaker 4: our Brothers Foundations there to do that. 1009 00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:51,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, man, look, exposure is important. 1010 00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:52,040 Speaker 2: You know. 1011 00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,800 Speaker 1: I was lucky to see and it get exposed to 1012 00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,320 Speaker 1: a lot of things growing up to just kind of 1013 00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,240 Speaker 1: show me that there was more than just what's inside 1014 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,040 Speaker 1: and what's outside of two five in life. And I 1015 00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,360 Speaker 1: always kind of use an example of you don't know 1016 00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,560 Speaker 1: a big house until you've seen the big house, and 1017 00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:09,040 Speaker 1: then you have to realize there's a bigger house somewhere else, right, 1018 00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:10,680 Speaker 1: And I think that just that's how I always kind 1019 00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:12,239 Speaker 1: of look at just being exposed of things. And so 1020 00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,880 Speaker 1: as people kind of you know, learn about art and 1021 00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,279 Speaker 1: they come to Zookot and they get exposed, Like for 1022 00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,040 Speaker 1: that person that kind of steps there for the first time, 1023 00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:20,759 Speaker 1: what do you hope they take away? 1024 00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,000 Speaker 2: I just want to have a good time, you know, 1025 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:23,480 Speaker 2: come in. 1026 00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,759 Speaker 4: I hope that they they appreciate the work that's on 1027 00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:31,160 Speaker 4: the walls. They appreciate or understand or can feel that 1028 00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:35,920 Speaker 4: it is designed for them, right, And once again that 1029 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,040 Speaker 4: being all walks of life. When they come in, though, 1030 00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:39,600 Speaker 4: I want them to feel different. I want them to 1031 00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,839 Speaker 4: leave feeling different, Like do you feel good when you leave? 1032 00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,799 Speaker 2: You know, did you learn something, do you find did 1033 00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:47,920 Speaker 2: you find a piece that you like? 1034 00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,560 Speaker 4: Didn't just did it just shift anything in you in 1035 00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:52,399 Speaker 4: a positive way? 1036 00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:54,759 Speaker 2: That's what we want. 1037 00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,279 Speaker 1: This has definitely shifted something to me. This is the 1038 00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,920 Speaker 1: year I'm getting me my first nice art piece. Man, 1039 00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:04,440 Speaker 1: I'm taking those little Hennessy bottles down. I'm putting some 1040 00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,120 Speaker 1: stuff up. We go, We going in the right direction. Man, Look, Nadi, 1041 00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,080 Speaker 1: this has been great, man, this has been a great conversation. 1042 00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:11,200 Speaker 1: Before we get up out of here, man, please tell 1043 00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,720 Speaker 1: people how can they support you? How can they support 1044 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:14,720 Speaker 1: Zukat like give. 1045 00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,000 Speaker 3: Them all the things? How can they find you? 1046 00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:16,359 Speaker 2: Sure? 1047 00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,719 Speaker 4: We can be found on Instagram, all social media through 1048 00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:26,640 Speaker 4: Zukai Gallery. We released Culture Cost as a brand and 1049 00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,840 Speaker 4: actually late last year. The idea behind it though, is 1050 00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,799 Speaker 4: that with everything going on in this country right now, the. 1051 00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:34,839 Speaker 2: Idea is that culture does cost. 1052 00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,960 Speaker 4: If you want to continue to see things exists, you 1053 00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,520 Speaker 4: have to invest in those things. So you'll see the 1054 00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:45,279 Speaker 4: red for the O inside of Costs. That represents the 1055 00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,000 Speaker 4: red dot that you put in a painting when it's sold. 1056 00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:49,960 Speaker 4: So it's like a call back to that, but it's 1057 00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,120 Speaker 4: and when you buy a piece, what you're doing is 1058 00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,600 Speaker 4: that you're literally becoming a custodian of that culture and 1059 00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,400 Speaker 4: you're passing that for generation generation. So the cost of 1060 00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:02,960 Speaker 4: culture is way more significant than just a transaction, and 1061 00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:07,600 Speaker 4: so that's what this is about. We also we're open 1062 00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:11,160 Speaker 4: during the during the week by appointment for folks and 1063 00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,840 Speaker 4: dressed in purchasing things like that. We're up on Saturday 1064 00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,239 Speaker 4: to the public from twelve to six and we love 1065 00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,239 Speaker 4: to have you all come out. We have some and 1066 00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,239 Speaker 4: as you follow us, you'll see that we have exhibitions. 1067 00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,920 Speaker 4: We do about five to see exhibitions a year of 1068 00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,840 Speaker 4: new new works. We always have more work to show 1069 00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,799 Speaker 4: you than what's on the walls, so that's also something 1070 00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:32,640 Speaker 4: as well. So you see something you think you might like, 1071 00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:34,200 Speaker 4: you and say, hey, do you have more work by 1072 00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:34,760 Speaker 4: this artist? 1073 00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:36,240 Speaker 2: The answer is probably yes. 1074 00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,279 Speaker 4: So we love to just come and spend some time 1075 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:40,240 Speaker 4: with you and help you find that right piece. 1076 00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,200 Speaker 3: Absolutely. Man, Well, look this has been a great conversation. 1077 00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:44,719 Speaker 3: Appreciate you. I hope you have one of those in 1078 00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:45,759 Speaker 3: black because I'm a need one. 1079 00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,120 Speaker 2: I forgot one in black. I got I got it 1080 00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:47,520 Speaker 2: for you. 1081 00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,640 Speaker 3: Gotcha, We go, Man, your anologie. Man, you appreciate you 1082 00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:51,080 Speaker 3: pulling up. 1083 00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:54,280 Speaker 1: Man. Congratulations, a lot of stuff y'all doing. Zoo, COT's amazing. 1084 00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:55,799 Speaker 1: We got some stuff coming up and go to make 1085 00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:57,319 Speaker 1: it happen. Man, And thank y'all for all the work 1086 00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,000 Speaker 1: y'all doing with the culture. Man really appreciate it, Bro 1087 00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:00,560 Speaker 1: for including us, Thank you absolutely. 1088 00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:02,359 Speaker 3: Man. With that said, y'all, that's the pile we out 1089 00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:02,720 Speaker 3: in peace.