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Speaker 1: Get along with few? Granted I did, Oh I love you? Okay, Okay.

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Speaker 2: So I just talked to Rosamond Pike about this on

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Speaker 3: Yeah, here's the thing about him. I think I got

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Speaker 3: he has the same spiel that he does. I think

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Speaker 3: I did notice that, and and so it is it's

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Speaker 3: like everything he wants it to be perfect. You know,

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Speaker 3: he's got I think control issues. But I feel like

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Speaker 3: it's the torture of that experience as opposed to kind

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Speaker 1: But I gotta believe that he finds joy in it.

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Speaker 2: I would hope that he was joking, but I also

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Speaker 2: that British humor is so dry and like sometimes hard

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Speaker 2: But then I watch him like he puts a lot

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Speaker 2: and he just you could tell he really cares about it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I think that's that's his And he said

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because Rosmond also said She's like, no, I'm pretty

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Speaker 2: you sure? Because it's stuck with me. I was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I was like, okay, no, no, no, we're going to

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Speaker 1: start out. We're we're already started. I'm Kyle McLachlin. What

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Speaker 1: are We even do?

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Speaker 3: I'm the host of this crazy podcast What Are We

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Speaker 3: Even Doing? Where we sit down with actors, musicians, creatives

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Speaker 3: what moves them, how they use social media. It's a

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Speaker 3: place where we can get weird but in a good way.

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Speaker 3: And today we have a very special guest. I'm very

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Speaker 3: excited to speak with you. You've done some movies that

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Speaker 3: I really love. The Dungeons and Dragons, Pokemon Detective Speak

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Speaker 1: We'll get into that later.

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Speaker 3: Really, Jurassic World, Lego, Efficient Audo, We're going to talk

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Speaker 1: Some might call you the Beyonce of the Renaissance.

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Speaker 2: Fair call me that. That's really funny.

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Speaker 3: Justice Smith is with us. That's so fun I'm happy here.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for green to come on.

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy to be Justice Smith. I gotta say

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Speaker 3: I always start by asking our guests. It was there

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Speaker 2: You know, listen. Yeah, But it was from like I

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Speaker 1: And parents were supportive. Were they in the arts?

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Speaker 2: Yes, both my parents were singers and also kj's do

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Speaker 2: And they would also do singing competitions, and that's how

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Speaker 1: That's kind of amazing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how my my parents supported us. My mom

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Speaker 2: I went to school with like so many kids who

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Speaker 1: That's cool. kJ. How does that? What is it?

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Speaker 2: Is that just kerayoke jockey? That's what I was called.

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Speaker 1: I do not know of this, and it's amazing.

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Speaker 2: But you're like and they would hire great singers too

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Speaker 2: I just you know, I don't look like any of

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Speaker 3: So you you sing obviously, but do you do you

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Speaker 1: That was beautiful station wagon going around. Yeah that's my life. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, we had that too. We had a lot of

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Speaker 1: You mentioned Shakespeare earlier.

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Speaker 3: Have you done Shakespeare in the park because it's something

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Speaker 2: I would love to do any sort of Shakespeare. The

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Speaker 2: oly Shakespeare I've done besides like learning mologues in my room,

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Speaker 2: high school plays, or like high school Shakespeare in high school,

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Speaker 1: Holy smokes? What high school did you go to? That's credit?

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Speaker 2: I went to performing arts school?

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Speaker 1: That makes sense. Yeah, okay, that's good. Was that here

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Speaker 2: Did you go?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: It was an Orange County It's Orange County School of

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Speaker 2: the Arts.

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Speaker 1: Oh cool?

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Speaker 2: Did Love's Labors Lost? Which is Shakespeare's ye worst play?

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Speaker 2: I always thought King John was sort of Pericles. Maybe

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but King John tough, really tough. But like,

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Speaker 2: it's still my dream to be I want to be

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Speaker 2: Hamlet so bad.

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Speaker 3: I was in Hamlet and my son I played Bump

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Speaker 3: Ump Bump Claudius five years ago.

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Speaker 1: Now that's incredible time he was young. I watched it recently.

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Speaker 3: I watched it because my son they're studying Hamlet in school,

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Speaker 3: So he's in high school here in la and Hamlet

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Speaker 2: Did you go?

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Speaker 1: Did you study? Did you go to the Magic Castle?

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Speaker 3: Because sometimes in those situations, you know, you can make

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Speaker 2: Get that's what we were trying to do.

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Speaker 2: I have to talk to people who like who were

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Speaker 2: But there's like there's some moments that are scary, like

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Speaker 1: Yeah. My son has got a ton.

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Speaker 3: He got everything that was from his cousins, got sent

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Speaker 2: He should sell those.

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Speaker 1: I know, that's what I was saying.

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Speaker 2: I'm holding onto mine, I feel like because every year,

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Speaker 3: The other tricks you were talking about at the Magic

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Speaker 3: Castle is the one that you were like, you got

442
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Speaker 3: really good at it, one that you liked when you

443
00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:10,560
Speaker 3: thought that was pretty cool.

444
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Speaker 2: Because I shot this movie a year ago and I

445
00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,120
Speaker 2: have not been practicing so for a year.

446
00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,600
Speaker 3: But you remember, I remember I shut the doors how

447
00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:22,439
Speaker 3: many years ago? And I can still remember some of

448
00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:22,880
Speaker 3: the lines.

449
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Speaker 2: They look at that. That was a horrible shuffle. I mean

450
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Speaker 2: I didn't really keep up with it, and I was like, oh,

451
00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,639
Speaker 2: I should keep up with it. See look I can't.

452
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Speaker 2: And also these this is not fair. You're making me

453
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Speaker 2: look bad because these cards are stiff. But Dominic CSSA

454
00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:36,520
Speaker 2: who's also in our movie, he kept up with it

455
00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:38,919
Speaker 2: because he's a nerd. I'm really jealous of that. But

456
00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:41,439
Speaker 2: like I knew a bunch of I knew so many things,

457
00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,480
Speaker 2: and like it's one of those Yeah, I should have

458
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Speaker 2: I should have revisited it.

459
00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:46,480
Speaker 1: That's no, it's all good, it's all good.

460
00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:48,320
Speaker 2: Okay, but this is the thing I I okay, I

461
00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:50,920
Speaker 2: can't remember. Let's see if you could still do it. Oh,

462
00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:52,879
Speaker 2: I think I know, Okay, you know what this. I

463
00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:54,439
Speaker 2: think this is, but I don't know if I know,

464
00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:54,879
Speaker 2: I don't know.

465
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Speaker 1: That was amazing. I'm not what I was expecting.

466
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Speaker 2: So happy that worked out.

467
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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I will never be able to do

468
00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:03,879
Speaker 1: that again.

469
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Speaker 3: If the cards had gone up in the air and

470
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Speaker 3: scattered everywhere would have been equally as impressive.

471
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Speaker 1: So they showed you, they walked you through all the

472
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Speaker 1: all the Yeah, that.

473
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Speaker 2: One was really hard to learn. But yeah, it was

474
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Speaker 2: just a bunch of like stuff like cartistry stuff and

475
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Speaker 2: like he just did a fan of the whole deck

476
00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,120
Speaker 2: and then and then card tricks that are like honestly

477
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Speaker 2: long and boring.

478
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Speaker 1: I don't all wrap the attention. We're like and you're

479
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Speaker 1: like that it's boring. I don't care.

480
00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:30,520
Speaker 2: Madition is this is gonna sound so stupid. It's similar

481
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Speaker 2: to being an athlete. You have to strengthen your hands

482
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Speaker 2: a lot, and you have to practice practice, practice, and

483
00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:39,400
Speaker 2: it's a lot of like remembering exactly like your hand positions,

484
00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:40,080
Speaker 2: and like.

485
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Speaker 3: Even now, just as you're like cutting the card and

486
00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:44,199
Speaker 3: slipping down, it's like you can see that.

487
00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:45,320
Speaker 2: It's like, look at that.

488
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Speaker 3: See it's the magic card to just drop to the floor. Yeah, no,

489
00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,720
Speaker 3: but it's a training. It's a King of Spades.

490
00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:52,680
Speaker 2: Remember that.

491
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Speaker 3: But it's We're going to come back to that at

492
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Speaker 3: the end of the as I throw my six cards

493
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Speaker 3: that I have here all the floor. Are the magicians

494
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Speaker 3: of the Magic Castle so weary of actors coming in?

495
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Speaker 1: Or are they cool and down?

496
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Speaker 2: They were pretty cool and down. I don't think these

497
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Speaker 2: specific ones had trained many actors. Yeah, I know, Handsome

498
00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,600
Speaker 2: Jack had taught at a college. He taught like magic

499
00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:14,680
Speaker 2: classes out of college.

500
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Speaker 1: That's did everyone take take just you?

501
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:17,320
Speaker 2: Yeah?

502
00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:18,560
Speaker 1: No, no, everyone did.

503
00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:22,040
Speaker 2: And that's where I met the other two newbies in

504
00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:23,920
Speaker 2: the cast, Mariana and Dominic.

505
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:24,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

506
00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,840
Speaker 2: I met them in magic school and we would we

507
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,080
Speaker 2: had a group chat or we would talk ship.

508
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Speaker 3: You had to go to magic school. Yeah, magic school? Sorry,

509
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:34,720
Speaker 3: did you get along with Woodio?

510
00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:35,200
Speaker 2: Okay?

511
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:36,200
Speaker 1: Oh what is the best?

512
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Speaker 2: Wait? So you know. Do you know what?

513
00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,360
Speaker 1: I know what? We did a.

514
00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,840
Speaker 3: Two hand or in London new play called on an

515
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Speaker 3: Average Day at the pantom Theater in London in West End.

516
00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:47,360
Speaker 2: Wow, he was in fourth grade at the time.

517
00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,200
Speaker 3: You were in fourth grade. Yeah, I don't feel old.

518
00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:53,879
Speaker 3: At the fourth grade, you knew what you wanted to do.

519
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:55,560
Speaker 3: You could have caught I did. I could have you

520
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:56,360
Speaker 3: could have been on stage.

521
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:57,440
Speaker 2: I would have to get on a plane.

522
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Great guy. But I love I love him so much.

523
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:01,359
Speaker 2: He's the best I was.

524
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Speaker 1: Really.

525
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 2: I think he was the person that was the most

526
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:06,520
Speaker 2: intimidated to me. I didn't know how he was.

527
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Speaker 1: Well, he's done some amazing work and you don't know

528
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Speaker 1: how much you're going to get.

529
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've worked with you know, veteran actors icons that

530
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:19,200
Speaker 2: you know. How do I put this as a young actor,

531
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,439
Speaker 2: and I'm sure you've experienced this too, being a young actor.

532
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,520
Speaker 2: There's a level of dues you have to pay when

533
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:28,440
Speaker 2: working with more established actors right where, And I take

534
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,119
Speaker 2: it as a fun challenge. Like I did a play

535
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:36,320
Speaker 2: with this older established actress who's phenomenal, and you know

536
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,679
Speaker 2: there are things where she's like, don't stand in my

537
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 2: light and like you know, and like I respect that

538
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 2: or like you're when you say that line, you're yelling

539
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 2: in my ear, I'm like I heard it, I got you,

540
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 2: And I take it as like a cool like let

541
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,680
Speaker 2: me figure out who this character is, what I want

542
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 2: to do with it, and also hear like my boundaries

543
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,119
Speaker 2: like also with like the notes from this older actor,

544
00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,439
Speaker 2: And so I've learned how to kind of adjust that

545
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:03,960
Speaker 2: space to give still a dynamic performance with like these

546
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 2: new you know, with this obstacle of.

547
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:07,960
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, expectations.

548
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, so I didn't know what he was

549
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 2: gonna be like. But he's so giving, he's so collaborative.

550
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:19,400
Speaker 2: He's really playful yeah, and youthful.

551
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

552
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, he loves he loves to sort of crack you up.

553
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 3: And yeah, he's always a twinkle in his eye.

554
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I really I that's my philosophy towards acting too.

555
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 2: It is such a ridiculous job. It is play at

556
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 2: the end of the day. It's play and pretend. Yeah,

557
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:39,119
Speaker 2: and if you don't evoked that kind of youthful spirit,

558
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 2: that childlike spirit, it's it's what the fuck are we doing?

559
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 1: Yeah? It can be pretty tedious.

560
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you.

561
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 3: I think the on set environment, I'm at my best.

562
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 3: I think when there is an openness and hey, let's

563
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,439
Speaker 3: go in this direction. It's one of the things I

564
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 3: like working with Ethan Hawk. We've done a few things together,

565
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 3: but many, many, many actors I've worked with that are

566
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 3: like that, that are like, hey, let's just take it.

567
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 3: Julian Moore, you work with Julian Moore, I mean, she's

568
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 3: she's the epitome of that. Yeah, I mean, and I've

569
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,639
Speaker 3: done a couple of things with her where it's you

570
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 3: don't know really where you're gonna go. You know, you

571
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,160
Speaker 3: know your stuff. I know my stuff, and let's get

572
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,239
Speaker 3: in the sandbox and see where it takes us.

573
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's play together, let's create something together. Yeah, and

574
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,959
Speaker 2: let's experiment. I mean, because yeah, I've also worked with

575
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 2: like tortured artists, and I can at times I can

576
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 2: be a tortured artist, but never on set, Like I

577
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 2: feel like that's the one place where you have to

578
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,719
Speaker 2: let it go, like, yeah, jump off the cliff and

579
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 2: trust your scene partner and throw a paint at the

580
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 2: wall and see what sticks.

581
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 1: Yeah.

582
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so yeah, I just felt like Woody, Yeah,

583
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 2: he just he leads with that.

584
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:46,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I love him. Yeah, I love him too.

585
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 1: I had the same experience working with Julian. I thought

586
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 1: she was good.

587
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Speaker 2: Jesse.

588
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:51,159
Speaker 1: I've never worked with Jesse, so I don't know.

589
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,760
Speaker 2: He's great, great Juess. He's a ball of anxiety, but

590
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 2: the most the most endearing way.

591
00:24:59,080 --> 00:24:59,639
Speaker 1: Ay.

592
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that description because I think, yeah, I mean,

593
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 3: I don't know personally, but it's that.

594
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he probably he is. I mean he

595
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 2: talks about it. He had this one like video I

596
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 2: can't remember what it was or who it was for,

597
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 2: where he talks about his anxiety was his superpower. And

598
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 2: I didn't watch the whole thing, so I don't I

599
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 2: can't really Why what's your superpower?

600
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:22,919
Speaker 1: Do you think you have a superpower?

601
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 2: I mean I just had dinner with my friend yesterday

602
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:29,880
Speaker 2: and he told me that my superpower is my vulnerability,

603
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 2: that my my pursuit of truth. So I'm I'm running

604
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 2: with that.

605
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to I mean, you're like I do.

606
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 2: I am in a season right now specifically where I

607
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 2: am trying to prioritize authenticity and truth and not like

608
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 2: objective truth, but like subjective truth, like emotional truth. So

609
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 2: just kind of cut away the bullshit and be real.

610
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 2: And that's really hard to do in this career, especially

611
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 2: when you do press, because people are only getting a

612
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 2: bite version of you and they're not getting the full picture.

613
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 2: I just try to take every moment and try to find, like,

614
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 2: what's the most honest version of myself I can be? Yeah, yeah,

615
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 2: with varying degrees of success.

616
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I mean it's true.

617
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 3: I think that's the struggle, that's the goal ultimately, and

618
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 3: that really is the reason.

619
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: Particularly in front of the camera. I mean in front

620
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:22,679
Speaker 1: of the camera, that's essential, you know.

621
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I find it easier there. It's safe, it's safe, it's.

622
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 3: Not you, it's character, you know, and it is expected, encouraged,

623
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,360
Speaker 3: you know, it's almost demanded that that's where you're celebrated to.

624
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 1: Live and celebrated.

625
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

626
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 3: So when you have that environment, we talked about it

627
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 3: earlier about someone else's ready to jump off the cliff

628
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 3: with you, to go into the sandbox, to jump in

629
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 3: the whatever it is, that is.

630
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: The most that's I think why we do it. At

631
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: the end of the day.

632
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 3: There's so many things that lead up to those moments.

633
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 3: I remember working to work with David Lynch on a

634
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 3: couple of different things, really really proud of those things.

635
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 3: And David created that environment on set in front of

636
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 3: the camera every day.

637
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 1: It was joy. It was pure joy.

638
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 2: That is so cool.

639
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 3: It was magical in his own special David Way and

640
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 3: other directors that I've worked with had the same thing,

641
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 3: and you have had this experience as well. And when

642
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 3: you don't have that experience in some situations, it's really painful.

643
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:17,959
Speaker 1: It's awful.

644
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know WHOA, I just had deja vu. I

645
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 2: just had DejaVu that I was sitting here and that

646
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 2: you were saying that exact thing to me. That's really weird.

647
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 3: We're gonna have to look at the camera. Do we

648
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 3: see anything? Is there something occurred? Maybe maybe there was something.

649
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 2: This is weird, okay anyways, Yeah, yeah, it's it can

650
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 2: be really painful. And I've noticed also in my career

651
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 2: that I don't want to say more often than not,

652
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 2: but more than I would like, I find myself not

653
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 2: feeling the way I would like to be. I would

654
00:27:55,680 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 2: like to feel not achieving the thing that I set

655
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 2: out to do as an actor, not.

656
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 3: In the scene, in the moment, in the like the

657
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 3: the reason I got into it as a kid, right,

658
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 3: you know, like honoring my inner child's reasoning for getting

659
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 3: into this, I find that I I'm not I'm not

660
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 3: I'm not always successful.

661
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: Hit the battle of the mind over.

662
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:33,160
Speaker 4: The It's it's adjusting to the structure of the industry,

663
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 4: the business of it.

664
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 2: You know, Like I come on as an artist, and

665
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 2: I really want to be an artist, and I want

666
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 2: to create, and I want to explore, and I want

667
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 2: to get I want to be loose, and and then

668
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 2: I'm kind of confronted with a bunch of obstacles that

669
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 2: are like you know, like say a director who doesn't

670
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 2: really know how to talk to actors, you know, or

671
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 2: it's like a very technical scene, or it's I have

672
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 2: to perform a character in a way because it's going

673
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 2: to be more digestible for the audience and it's going

674
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 2: to reach it's gonna be reach a larger or whatever.

675
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 2: Or a scene has to like be stripped of its

676
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 2: nuance because it has to be more digestible, or you know,

677
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 2: just just those things kind of like make me lose

678
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 2: sight of like who I am, who I'm trying to

679
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 2: be as an artist and I and it makes me

680
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 2: very and that. I mean, it's it's painful. Am I

681
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 2: making any sense?

682
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I get it. I do, Okay, I do,

683
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: I do understand.

684
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 2: I'm I think I'm intentionally trying to be vague as

685
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 2: to not Well.

686
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 3: It's also, you know, I mean, every experience is going

687
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 3: to be different, obviously, you know. And yeahther it's theater

688
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 3: situation or or a film or television or whatever it is.

689
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 3: And when you've had experiences as you have had that

690
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 3: that are magic, you know, that are very special.

691
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: As I have had that, whenever anything is.

692
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 3: Not that, you're like damn, You're like damn, you know, yeah,

693
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 3: why can't it always be like that?

694
00:29:58,360 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: And it just can't.

695
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 2: It's you know, it's just but the hard part is

696
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 2: that you have to bring that energy onto set yourself,

697
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 2: like you have to kind of create that magic. You

698
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 2: have to like make space for your own process and

699
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 2: for your own freedom. And I hate that. I really

700
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 2: wish that just every director I work with, every set

701
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 2: I'm on to create that environment for me because I'm

702
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 2: really trusting, like I want to be trusting.

703
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 3: This kind of leads me into a little bit of

704
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 3: I saw the TV glow and I got to imagine.

705
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 3: That experience was unbelievable.

706
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 2: That experience was intense. Yeah, that script is incredible. Yeah,

707
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 2: once in a lifetime project. And when I first read it,

708
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't know what the fuck I

709
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 2: just read. Yeah, and I have to do this because

710
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 2: I don't understand I.

711
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: Had those experiences as well.

712
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it resonated with me emotionally. I didn't it

713
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 2: didn't resonate with me logically, but like I felt it,

714
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 2: and yeah, that's really good writing. Yea. And when I

715
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 2: met with Jane, they you know, explained it to me

716
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 2: and it all made sense. And I remember in that meeting,

717
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 2: I was like trying to.

718
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: How did they explain it to you? Because it's very complicated.

719
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: I'm so curious.

720
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 2: Well, there's this, like you know, obviously there's this allegory

721
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 2: for transness, and Jane is trans and that allegory was

722
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 2: very clear to me. It was actually what was less

723
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 2: clear to me was the like literal structure of the movie,

724
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 2: like understanding I mean, this is a spoiler for anybody

725
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 2: who hasn't seen it, but just like understanding how much

726
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 2: of the girl who's buried I am? How much of

727
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 2: you know, tracking I play this character from like age

728
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 2: fifteen to like I think thirty four or something like that,

729
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 2: you know, tracking his age, tracking his like he's like asthma.

730
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 2: He also like breaks the fourth wall and talks to

731
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 2: the camera, which is a different version of him. So

732
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 2: there's like all these different it's very absurdist, it's instrumental,

733
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 2: and just getting specific about all those things that was

734
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 2: what I needed clarity on.

735
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 3: Because if having had the experiences of working with Lynch,

736
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 3: there were so many things that I read and I'm

737
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 3: just like, I don't know what this is. I know

738
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 3: it feels interesting and right, and it's going to be

739
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 3: a weird journey. And I'm just like, and I just say,

740
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 3: you know what, because I would ask David all that,

741
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 3: I would pepper him with questions when we first started working,

742
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 3: and he doesn't like to answer questions and he.

743
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: Doesn't feel compelled to tell me stuff.

744
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 3: So I just had to go, you know what, I'm

745
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 3: gonna just make it my own and I'm going to

746
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 3: believe it's this thing and then just go. But I

747
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 3: also feel like your experience was one where to understand

748
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 3: the journey of the character, you had.

749
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: To understand what was happening more. Yeah, it sounds like

750
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: James able to.

751
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 2: Yes, to communicate that yeah, to play the present moment,

752
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 2: to not play the metal right, because that wasn't my job.

753
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 2: That Jane was responsible for the metaphor. I just had

754
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 2: to play the truth of the circumstance, you know, the

755
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 2: truth of the scene. But I do think that I

756
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 2: it was a little bit easier to grasp because of

757
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 2: Lynch's work because I could picture this. I had reference

758
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 2: for what this kind of script was, this kind of

759
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 2: movie was going to be. So I mean, I I

760
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 2: assume it was way harder for you because.

761
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 3: There was no there was no reference. There was a

762
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 3: razerhead and that was that was my point of reference. Okay,

763
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 3: I'm not going to really get everything, but let's go

764
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 3: you know. Yeah, so you know, but you make a

765
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 3: good point about just playing the moment, the scene, the

766
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 3: reality what you're going through in any given moment, and

767
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 3: if you don't really know, then you're like, I'm gonna

768
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 3: just trust ride my feeling and then David, will you know,

769
00:33:59,080 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 3: nudge here or.

770
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 2: That's the main thing that tvglow taught me because I

771
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 2: can be a little a little bit of a control

772
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 2: freak at times, like the first movie I ever did.

773
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 2: I did every take the exact same way because I

774
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 2: was like, I don't this is how I want the

775
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 2: performance to go. And I learned that that's not sustainable,

776
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 2: and I learned that directors hate that.

777
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,280
Speaker 1: And it's no fun, no fun.

778
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 2: But I was just so nervous of being a bad actor,

779
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 2: you know. So I was like, if I can just craft,

780
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 2: like I have full control over what this performance is,

781
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 2: maybe I'll be good. I luckily grew out of that,

782
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 2: but doing TV Glow was like the real nail in

783
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 2: the coffin of learning how to let go and trust

784
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 2: the director because it was surprisingly technical. Jane is a

785
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 2: visionary in a lot of ways, has a very clear

786
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 2: idea of how they want the movie to look. And

787
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 2: I've been on lots of you know, franchise, blockbuster, green

788
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 2: screen kind of films, and I understand the nature of

789
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 2: like hitting a mark and blocking a certain way in

790
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 2: order because it's going to be edited in visual effects

791
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 2: and all that good stuff. So I was fortunate to

792
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 2: be able to meet Jane on that technical aspect. But

793
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 2: it's such a character piece, like it's it's, it's It

794
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 2: was a really hard balance of like not having as

795
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,760
Speaker 2: much looseness as I would like in exploring a character,

796
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 2: but also being okay with that right, being like, just

797
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 2: do what I can and trust that there's a reason

798
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 2: I have to hit this mark and turn my head

799
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 2: like this, because Jane knows what they're doing and this

800
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 2: is such a specific script, like I have to let

801
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 2: them make their vision.

802
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 3: It's such a pleasure to work with a director who

803
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 3: has that kind of specificity. I want to ask you

804
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 3: a little bit about your social Okay, and Mustard, you know,

805
00:35:59,160 --> 00:35:59,879
Speaker 3: what do you know?

806
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: Musty?

807
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 2: Did you find that we have a.

808
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: Research I like, you're private, No one else knows. I

809
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 1: just wanted to tell them, tell us who is who

810
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: is Mustard?

811
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 2: Yeah?

812
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can tell a little because I'm I'm also

813
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 3: curious too. I've got the car, but I don't necessarily know,

814
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 3: so I'm you know nothing of No, I'm just asking,

815
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 3: don't look it up.

816
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: I'm curious. I don't watch any of it.

817
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 2: Please.

818
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 1: Is it an alter ego?

819
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 2: No? No, it's just me being ridiculous, and I love it.

820
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 2: It's all my unfiltered thoughts. And Instagram has become overly

821
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 2: manicured for me. I mean, Instagram used to be a

822
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 2: lot more fun before I had followers, and now.

823
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: That I have followers, it's like right now, it.

824
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 2: Used to just be like me and my friends and

825
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 2: like just posting what I ate, and like now it's

826
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 2: just like everything's got to be an ad and everything's

827
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 2: got to be a thing and everything and so like

828
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 2: that's like the family friendly social media. My TikTok is

829
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 2: for the weirdos and it's me. Yeah, it's just me

830
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 2: being an And I don't promote it because I just want.

831
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 3: I think it's a great reveal, you know what I mean,

832
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 3: And I applaud you for letting that go. You know,

833
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 3: I think it's one of the things in this process

834
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 3: of this podcast, as I'm learning and I'm talking to

835
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:18,399
Speaker 3: people different generation than me. You know, my generation, there

836
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,879
Speaker 3: was no way you would expose things certain things, right

837
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 3: because you just it might impact you in ways and

838
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 3: expectations and.

839
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah ah that stuff that you talked about.

840
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 3: But I feel like people coming up now there is

841
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 3: kind of a Okay, it's a side of me, and

842
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,359
Speaker 3: as a there's like a it's authentic first of all,

843
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 3: and it's who you are, and there's feels to me

844
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 3: like there's a greater acceptance of that, or at least

845
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 3: an understanding or hey, that's cool, that's a really.

846
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's am I. I don't know

847
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: if I'm.

848
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 2: Getting very pure perspective on it. Yeah, I think that's

849
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 2: a very unjaded you think it's.

850
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: That it's a hope, it's more of a hopeful perspective.

851
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually really admire that perspective. I feel like

852
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 2: I should adopt that. I do think that there maybe

853
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 2: in your time, there was more in your time, you know,

854
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 2: going back in time, there was more of a fixation

855
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 2: on like enigma and we don't know who that person is.

856
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 2: We don't know who this actor really is, and we

857
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 2: only just get snapshots of them.

858
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 3: And even that was that was my influence looking forward

859
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 3: right right to guys you know that were ahead of me,

860
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 3: actors that were ahead of me, And I was like,

861
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 3: who is Steve McQueen, you know, right, what is that about?

862
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: You know? Or who?

863
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 2: Who?

864
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: Who was James Dean? You know?

865
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 2: Yeah?

866
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: Well they really you know, right, and you want to

867
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: know you know?

868
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you just like see a little rumor

869
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 2: in the tabloid that's like, oh and you can create

870
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 2: a whole picture about them. Now there's like an obligation

871
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 2: almost for transparency, like people want to kind of this

872
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 2: is like my problem was gritty culture in general, but

873
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 2: like people want everyone has to be an influencer essentially,

874
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,760
Speaker 2: Like everyone is kind of being backed into a corner

875
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 2: to be an influencer and to like reveal every little

876
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 2: bit about themselves in order like to stay relevant. Yeah, yeah, sure,

877
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 2: there's almost like this obligation to like be revealing in

878
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 2: order to like get people to like you.

879
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 1: And like, so there's a pressure to do that, you feel.

880
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hate social media? Yeah, yeah, I hate it

881
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 2: so much because I think I am a relatively private person.

882
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 2: Not when you talk to me one on one, I

883
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 2: pride myself on having no secrets, But when it comes

884
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:48,240
Speaker 2: to like revealing myself to the masses, to the hungry wolves,

885
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 2: like that is just not something I think is natural.

886
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 2: I don't think I should know what everyone thinks about

887
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 2: me all the time, good or bad. I think that's

888
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 2: very unhealthy.

889
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 3: I wonder if there's a sorry and real but I

890
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 3: wonder if there is. I'm a big believer in the

891
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 3: pendulum theory. You know something, it'll swing out and they

892
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 3: will come right back again and go back out, you know,

893
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 3: just never ending right and right now, I think we

894
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 3: are in a period where we do know a lot

895
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 3: about people more maybe more than we should, you know.

896
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 3: And I also wonder if there's a compulsion or on

897
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 3: people that are doing what you're talking about.

898
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: They're like caught in the reveal. I got a reveal,

899
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:25,240
Speaker 1: I gotta reveal.

900
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 3: And I wonder I don't know if if there'll be

901
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,760
Speaker 3: a swing back the other way and it'll become much more.

902
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 2: I think there might be, maybe because I think social

903
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 2: media first started off of just people like actually being authentic,

904
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,280
Speaker 2: just sharing their lives. It was like public diaries essentially,

905
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 2: and now it's social media shipped to a place of

906
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 2: like content creation, and everyone is starting to manicure like

907
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:50,840
Speaker 2: I'm doing on Instagram. Everyone's starting to like manicure everything

908
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 2: they post, and everything the post has to be a drop,

909
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,720
Speaker 2: and everything posts has to be is to break the Internet,

910
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 2: and it has to get a bunch of likes and

911
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 2: get a bunch of views, and all the other competitiveness

912
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 2: comes in, yeah exactly, and or or like you know

913
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 2: has to be super funny and get like you know,

914
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 2: or outrageous or whatever. And I do think that people

915
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 2: are gonna get tired of that and and maybe it'll

916
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 2: slowly come back to like here's what I hate today, Yeah,

917
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 2: and or more authenticity, like I think, oh yeah, you

918
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 2: know what I mean. I actually think we're in the

919
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 2: mystery phase right now because everything is so manufactured.

920
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 1: So okay, you know what I mean.

921
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,439
Speaker 2: Like even though people are like posting a lot, they're

922
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 2: not really revealing their true selves. They're just creating fighting

923
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 2: behind an image.

924
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: Image.

925
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, But anyways, my TikTok is me trying to

926
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 2: just be stupid and silly and break that.

927
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 3: Yeah pressure, I like stupid and silly. I just I

928
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:45,760
Speaker 3: try to do as much of that as possible.

929
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 2: Please don't watch my TikTok.

930
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 3: We are going to play a game that's gonna have

931
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 3: to do with magic. We're gonna take a break and

932
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 3: then we're gonna come back and we're gonna get into

933
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 3: the magic world.

934
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:57,399
Speaker 1: Okay, is that all right?

935
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 2: That sounds good?

936
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: All right, I can't wait.

937
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 3: All right, we're back with justice. For those of you

938
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 3: who are not watching, We're we're sitting now. We have

939
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,240
Speaker 3: top hats and we have magic bonds in our hands

940
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 3: and we are. We're gonna play a little game that

941
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 3: I designed just for Justice called It's Giving Magic, which

942
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 3: is an ode to your upcoming film. Now you see me,

943
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 3: now you don't. I'm gonna give you a description of

944
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 3: a real magic trick plus two possible names, and you'll

945
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 3: have to tell me what is correct.

946
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 1: I'm gonna bomb this before we go. We're gonna do

947
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: our tick.

948
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 3: Ready, abracadabra am, what's the end of that. We'll play

949
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:42,800
Speaker 3: this game and it'll be great, great and wow, wow,

950
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:45,919
Speaker 3: that's a little lose, so much for the right.

951
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 1: That's right, there's store bot. They're only dollars. Okay, are

952
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: you ready for magic? Okay, here we go. Okay.

953
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:55,320
Speaker 3: This is an illusion where a magician drops three different

954
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 3: colored sands in a bowl of water, takes them out

955
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 3: with each color separated. Is it Grains of the Amazon

956
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 3: or sands of the Nile? Oh?

957
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 2: Wow, those are so close. I really thought I was

958
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 2: gonna get it off.

959
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 1: Of Grains of the Amazon or Sands of the Nile.

960
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 2: Knowing what I know about the names of tricks and

961
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 2: how stupid they can be, sometimes, I'm gonna go with.

962
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:35,280
Speaker 3: Sands and the Yes, you are well gone, exactly.

963
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: I knew he was gonna go with that one.

964
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 2: People don't fall for magic because they're stupid. People fall

965
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 2: from magic because it's stupid. That is what Handsome Jack

966
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 2: taught me. There it is, there, it is the magic community.

967
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:47,399
Speaker 1: Don't come for me from the mouth of handsome Jack.

968
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 2: All right, I'm gonna get this next one.

969
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, perfect, Okay. This is a trick where a

970
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 3: card magically appears.

971
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 1: At the top of the deck.

972
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 3: Well, you did a lot of card tricks, you might

973
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 3: notice the card magically appears at the top of the

974
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 3: deck after being placed randomly in the middle. Okay, is

975
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:12,720
Speaker 3: it aggressive card or ambitious card? This is really difficult,

976
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 3: by the way, it's ambitious or well done?

977
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 1: That one?

978
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 2: I think I've heard that one. You knew because that

979
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 2: one we learned. I don't remember how to do it,

980
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 2: but we did learn that.

981
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: That's pretty good. See.

982
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have I would have I would have think

983
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 3: aggressive because the card. But ambitious card? Yes, okay, well done.

984
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 3: Two for two Number three Magician produces a coin from

985
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 3: the air and drops it into a bucket below. Miser's

986
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 3: dream or mclachlin's dream. Don't overthink don't overthink it, are

987
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:47,760
Speaker 3: you sure?

988
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 2: Yeah?

989
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: You were correct?

990
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,439
Speaker 3: What would be the odds that would be McLachlan's dream?

991
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 3: You know it would have been amazing.

992
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 2: I know I would have related to any magicians, I

993
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 2: don't think so have you done your twenty three meters?

994
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: I have not, So who knows who I could be

995
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: related to? When it's frightening? Okay, so here we go again.

996
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 3: Number four penetration illusion, where the assistant is placed in

997
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 3: a box and appears to be impaled with spikes on

998
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:20,600
Speaker 3: the door. Ok maya Lucifer's Punishment palace?

999
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 1: Did you come up with that?

1000
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 3: Lucifer's Punishment Palace or Devil's Torture Chamber?

1001
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 2: I think it's Devil's I think you're correct.

1002
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: Yay. I gave it away when I said did you?

1003
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1004
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: I mean also you admitted that you came up.

1005
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 3: Okay, last one for all, for the magic wand to

1006
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 3: take this magic one home, This magic one can be

1007
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 3: yours if the restoration illusion where the assistant appears to

1008
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 3: be cut in four. These are very MACONI yeah, yeah, yeah.

1009
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 1: As tech lady or mayan lady.

1010
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 5: Okay, yes, the wand I.

1011
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: Can't think I did you rite this justice.

1012
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 2: You don't understand, guy, I'm very competitive when it comes in.

1013
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 2: I really like to win.

1014
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. See I knew that I wanted you to win,

1015
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: so you got me.

1016
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 2: I appreciate it.

1017
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it was so nice to have you here.

1018
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,439
Speaker 1: Thank you. Hey, listen, what's what's what's next?

1019
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 2: What are you doing?

1020
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: What's happening? What can we promote?

1021
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 2: Nice? You mean I do? It comes out November fourteenth, Okay,

1022
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 2: and then that's it.

1023
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 3: Okay, Well man, that's all the time we have today.

1024
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 3: I don't know if we answered the question what are

1025
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 3: we even doing?

1026
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,280
Speaker 1: But we tried. We tried so seriously.

1027
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 3: Was that the question we're supposed to be answered? I

1028
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:44,240
Speaker 3: guess so, but I never really asked it. So anyway,

1029
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 3: what are we even doing? It's a pleasure to have

1030
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 3: you on.

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00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 2: Thanks, thank you for.

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Speaker 3: What Are We Even Doing is a production of iHeartMedia

1033
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Speaker 3: and the Elvis Duran Podcast Network, hosted by me Kyle

1034
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Speaker 3: McLaughlin and created and reduced by Full Picture Productions Yay,

1035
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:07,480
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1036
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