WEBVTT - Glass Animals 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:03.240 Hello everyone, and welcome to another episode of Inside the 0:00:03.279 --> 0:00:06.160 Studio on iHeart Radio. My name is Jordan runt Hog, 0:00:06.200 --> 0:00:09.320 but enough about me. My guests Today first scaled the 0:00:09.400 --> 0:00:13.200 charts with his Banded Glass Animals and with their platinum 0:00:13.280 --> 0:00:17.840 track Gooey, a delectable pop confection that blends electro instrumentation 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:20.960 with R and B rhythmic sensibilities. They followed it up 0:00:20.960 --> 0:00:23.960 with further hits like Life Itself and Youth. Then an 0:00:23.960 --> 0:00:27.240 accident brought the music to a sudden and terrifying halt. 0:00:27.440 --> 0:00:30.159 Drummer Joe Seaward was struck by a truck as he 0:00:30.160 --> 0:00:34.000 wrote his bicycle, requiring a lengthy period of rehabilitation. As 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:37.800 Seaward recovered, my Guest underwent a creative reset. He began 0:00:37.920 --> 0:00:40.800 writing and producing for other artists, and he began to 0:00:40.840 --> 0:00:44.559 look inward. The result is Dreamland, his most personal and 0:00:44.640 --> 0:00:47.879 vulnerable work to date, crammed with references to his nineties 0:00:47.960 --> 0:00:52.639 childhood and though sometimes painful lessons of adolescence. Released last August, 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:55.920 the album features the global smash heat Waves. It's a 0:00:55.960 --> 0:01:00.800 deceptively mournful earworm steeped in isolation, Lone This and the 0:01:00.880 --> 0:01:03.440 Longing for a lost loved one. The song has been 0:01:03.480 --> 0:01:06.039 remixed a number of times by the likes of Diplow, 0:01:06.360 --> 0:01:11.160 Oliver Helden's Sonny Forda Written, and most recently, and Your 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:14.320 I'm so happy to welcome the lead singer and composer 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:18.160 of Glass Animals, Dave Bailey. Absolute pleasure, Thank you for 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:20.400 thank you for having me. Oh my goodness, so much 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:22.720 to ask you about. First off, keet waves is blowing 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:25.119 up around the world. Did you have any indication when 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:26.880 you were writing it that it would resonate in such 0:01:26.920 --> 0:01:31.440 a big way? You can never already aim for. I 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:33.760 feel like when you sit down to write dong, you 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:36.679 really have no idea what it's gonna come out. It's 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:40.360 like I always is the fishing analogy. You might have 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:42.440 heard it before, but it's a bit like fishing. You 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:45.120 just kind of throw your rod in and normally you 0:01:45.200 --> 0:01:50.160 catch weeds all to eat or something, but heat Waits's 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:52.040 just it kind of just jumped in the boat. And 0:01:52.120 --> 0:01:55.600 I was like, oh, that's actually quite a nice fish. 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:57.360 And I actually tried to give it to someone else. 0:01:57.400 --> 0:01:59.600 I was right. I was writing for someone else's record 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:02.080 for a little bit around that time, and I tried 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:04.320 to give it to them, and they didn't want it. 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:10.080 Time to write the Glass Animals album, I kind of 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:11.960 went through a bunch of old tracks and I found 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:13.560 I found this, and I was like, oh, I actually 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:15.520 quite like that. It's good. The song is a kind 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:17.600 of a unique part of its genesis, one that I 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:21.079 can't really think of for any other tough forty song 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:24.320 wearing I think Johnny Depp was the first person on 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:26.560 the planet besides you to hear it. Do I have 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:29.480 that right? Yeah? I mean it's true, It's true through 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:33.680 absolutely completely unintentional in every way. I was just in 0:02:33.680 --> 0:02:35.840 the studio Very Very is a big studio complex in 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:38.720 North London. They're like five rooms in this in this complex, 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:41.040 and I was there really late at night, and I 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:45.480 thought I was alone and I was just list I 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:47.720 think i'd finished the song at that point. Basically, it 0:02:47.720 --> 0:02:51.000 came together really quickly, in about an hour, and I 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:54.640 was listening to kind of last final playback and blasting 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:56.880 it and the song finished. I had someone tinkering on 0:02:56.919 --> 0:02:59.800 a piano behind me, and I've really scared me because 0:02:59.800 --> 0:03:03.120 if I was alone and turned around and it was 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:06.720 just some long hair kind of drooping over the piano 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:08.880 and I was like, who who are you? And they 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:11.519 turned around and it was it was Johnny Depp. So crazy. Yeah, 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:15.679 he was with another artist and another studio, I think, 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:17.760 assuming me making some music and he got lost on 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:19.760 the way to the toilet. It was gonna give you 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:22.280 like PTSD. Here's something. Every time you think you're alone, 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:24.480 you check over your shoulder and make sure. Johnny Depp's like, 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:27.320 not just there. I do that, know. I actually so 0:03:27.480 --> 0:03:31.320 tempted to just like get a mirror, would be so 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:33.480 now I couldn't look at myself when I'm making music. 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:35.920 That freaked me out. He said. The song came together 0:03:35.960 --> 0:03:38.160 in like an hour. Is that? I mean? Usually we 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:40.640 hear about songs that have been lavished over for months 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:42.520 and months. Did you find that the best songs come 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:46.760 come quickly? I do. I feel like at least all 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:49.000 of the ideas come quickly, and then sometimes you have 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:53.360 to sieve through if you start with has potential. Like 0:03:53.400 --> 0:03:55.720 some chords that really have tent I think you know 0:03:55.800 --> 0:03:57.720 they have potential and you know that they're good because 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:00.840 loads of other ideas just start coming of the vocal lines. 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:03.480 They just end up kind of coming coming out they 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:05.800 right themselves, and then the drums happen and the base 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:07.880 happen and it all just flows out. Sometimes you end 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:10.000 up with way too much stuff, and I feel like 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:11.920 that's when it can take a long time to write 0:04:11.960 --> 0:04:14.560 a song, where either when you're like missing one thing 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:16.720 that you just can't work out, or you have so 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:18.359 much stuff that you have to sieve through it for 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:21.840 like find out which elements and which about kind of 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:24.480 subtractive in a weird way. But this one just kind 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:26.760 of happened, and if everything just fit it was it 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:29.080 was very lucky. What was that all? Quote is somebody 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:31.120 was talking to a sculptor and very fair might have 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:32.839 been wrote down or something, and said, how do you 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:34.880 how do you do that? How do you take you know, 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:37.159 how do you get the beautiful human form from this 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:39.320 big block of marble? And I think you said, I 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:40.840 think it was him, might have been somebody else said 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:43.920 I just take away everything that doesn't look like a person. 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:47.159 And of course to him that made total sense, but 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:50.880 to the rest of us, it's, uh, it's magic. Yeah. Basically, 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:53.839 I feel like writing songs work both ways. Either you 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:56.200 kind of throw everything at it and you end up 0:04:56.200 --> 0:04:58.200 with a block of marble, then you don't have to 0:04:58.240 --> 0:05:01.520 chip away at and to resemble a song, or you're 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:05.200 just kind of delicately balancing things. And I feel like 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:08.160 with heat Ways, I was delicately balancing and then it 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:10.839 just like an hour later, I sat back and I 0:05:10.880 --> 0:05:13.919 was like, oh wow, everything's balance. It's so crazy. So 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:17.080 much of the song deals with isolation and disconnection and 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:19.279 and loneliness in a lot of ways. How much of 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:22.240 the track was influenced by by the pandemic lockdown at 0:05:22.279 --> 0:05:24.240 a time when you know we're all sort of feeling 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:27.160 this way. It was pre pand I read it pre pandemic. 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:29.840 It just happened to come at a time when I've, 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:33.560 like our drumma basically had this terrible, terrible accident, and 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:37.000 I think this. I kind of ended up finishing this 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:40.320 song in the in the wake of that. And there's 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:43.800 also I lost someone very close to me in their 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:46.440 birthdays in June, so every time that their birthday starts arriving, 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:49.320 I start to feel this really like I don't know, 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:52.279 and I love myself. I basically kind of hide away 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:54.279 for a bit. Basically, what I'm trying to say is 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:56.760 I was because my drummer had this this accident, we 0:05:56.960 --> 0:06:00.320 kind of stopped touring, and um, I was feeling this 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:03.840 kind of strange sentimental way because of the memory of 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:07.599 my friend. I think I ended up in a weirdly 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:09.160 similar state to how a lot of people were feeling 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:13.200 during the pandemic. I noticed everybody was just digging up memories, 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:16.400 digging up the past, and being really nostalgic. And my 0:06:16.440 --> 0:06:19.000 brain was just in that place when when writing this song. 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:21.880 But I guess a year before that, maybe a year 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:24.760 and a bit before pandemic actually happened. He mentioned your 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:27.000 drummer Josie was act and how how's he doing now? 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:29.240 Is he? He sounds like he's very much on the 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:33.000 men's Yes. Sorry, I should always always forget to say that, 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:36.920 but he's doing incredibly incredible back in the drums again. 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:40.200 We played a lot of shows and he's better drummer 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:43.080 than ever before. I think he was so determined to 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:44.719 get back on the drum kit. I remember he sent 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:46.839 me a video of him getting back on the drum 0:06:46.920 --> 0:06:48.520 kit for the first time after not being able to 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:51.400 walk and talk take him a long time. He sent 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:54.240 that video over and I just like cried. It was magical, 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:56.120 so that is wonderful because I mean, you were a 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:59.839 background in neuroscience, so you were uniquely you know, per 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:03.239 to to know what kind of long road he was facing. Wow, 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:06.320 that's incredible. Yeah, it was pretty It was horrifying when 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:09.120 he was in the in the studio, in the hospital. Sorry, 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:10.840 I went to I went to visit Amy had the 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:14.840 accident in Ireland, and I just got on the first 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:17.240 flight that I could as soon as I heard about 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:19.320 it and went over there. And seeing him and seeing 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:22.840 as a neuroscientist having done some neuroscience and then knowing 0:07:23.160 --> 0:07:25.640 how bad it could have been and where he is now, 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:30.360 it's just it's actually a miracle. That is that is wonderful. 0:07:30.440 --> 0:07:32.040 That's that's so good to hear, and I mean it's 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:33.960 it's it has to be gratifying in some ways for 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:36.240 you with a song that came from such a personal 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:39.559 place for you is being received tens hundreds of millions 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:41.600 of people listening to the song right now. They came 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:44.640 from such a I guess I'll say a dark moment 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:46.600 for you that has to to feel good. I mean, 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:50.360 kind of a making lemonade out of Lemons situation, I suppose, Yeah, 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:52.560 is it did come from a dark moment, but I 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:54.320 guess I was trying to I was trying to see 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:57.040 a kind of an optimism. I always try optimism in 0:07:57.080 --> 0:07:59.560 there if it's if it's a dark song, and i'd 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:02.200 find But when the pandemic came, I found myself in 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:04.720 a really similar headspace to that. It was. It was 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:08.280 it was tough over here. I'm sure it was the 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:11.760 same in America. Over here, lockdown was tough, and it 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:15.600 was tightened. A lot of people struggled, and then we 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:17.480 needed that the kind of I don't know. I found 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:19.520 myself listening to a lot of songs that had that. 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:22.400 They were kind of sad songs, but had an optimism 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:26.160 in their hope. It's funny. During the last eighteen months 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:28.760 of the whole lockdown, I found myself listening to things 0:08:28.760 --> 0:08:32.120 that I haven't listened to since I was in high 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:34.640 school in the early two thousand's. I mean, just musical 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:36.320 comfort food, you know what I mean? Have you been 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:39.440 that way? Absolutely with everything with my actual food as 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:43.160 well my mom music. I was eating like peanut butter 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:47.439 and jelly sandwiches again. I was watching The Karate Kid again. 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:50.600 I was watching all these movies and shows that I 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:52.400 grew up with, eating the food that I grew up with. 0:08:52.480 --> 0:08:54.800 And yeah, I think it's when you can't go out 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:58.440 and create new memories, you start like reliving the old ones. 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:01.280 That's the only thing I only explanation I had for it. 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:03.920 But I noticed it everybody I knew, all my friends 0:09:04.400 --> 0:09:06.480 sending me old records that they used to listen to 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:10.160 and old like old films to watch and things. It's 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:12.200 great and I got a lot of those references. I 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:14.840 think I even picked up a dunk a Ruse reference 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:18.520 in in the new album Dreamland, which came out last year. 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:21.199 A lot of outlets have referred to the album as 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:24.480 your memoir. I think the even Evening Standard, London Evening 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:27.079 Standard had that in the headline. What do you think 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:30.160 of that categorization? That's I never really I guess I 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:32.440 didn't really think about it like that when I was 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:35.680 writing it. But also my memoir was a bit thin. 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:40.679 I don't think write a memoir when you're like eighty 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:44.760 and you've like lived and have some actual perspective. But this, 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:47.840 I think this album is less like I don't really 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:49.839 know if it comes to any conclusions. I guess it's 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:53.360 just rather than a memoir. It's more just like diving 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:58.640 head first into the past and not just appreciate that 0:09:58.640 --> 0:10:01.480 it's okay to not no diving into it. I feel 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:03.360 like in a memoir you'd have some kind of conclusion 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:06.640 about your life. There there's no conclusions in this record. 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:10.360 It's just embracing the fact that it's okay to be 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:13.160 confused and not no answers. I was gonna say, I've 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:16.280 got a lot of messages of acceptance in in the songs. 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:20.880 I feel like, yeah, it's acceptance and just again writing that, 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:23.800 like not not knowing the answer and just kind of 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:26.400 being okay with that. I think I think growing up, 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:29.600 I grew up in Texas, and there's there's a lot 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:32.080 of as a boy growing up in Texas, there are 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:33.640 a lot of things that you're kind of expected to do, 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:36.040 and I never fit into any of those categories. I 0:10:36.080 --> 0:10:38.480 was never you know, I never played sports. I was 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:42.679 quite small, and I never really did the things that 0:10:42.720 --> 0:10:46.080 they thought I should do at school and never fit 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:48.440 in for that reason. And this this, I guess there's 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:50.760 a sense of me just being like, that's actually what 0:10:50.880 --> 0:10:54.840 makes us all our own people. It's not not necessarily 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:57.000 thing in doing your own doing your own thing, and 0:10:57.040 --> 0:11:09.480 that's that's actually good. Oh absolutely, I think that's that's 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:11.400 such an important message to get out there. And I 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:13.960 think that we need to get to two people earlier 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:16.240 in their lives too, Is it really? Because I feel 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:18.400 like there's a point in so many kids lives when 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:21.040 they're told, okay, you know, put the guitar down, put 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:23.880 put the you know, paintbrush down or whatever, gets serious 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:26.320 as opposed to just letting them sort of sort of be. 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:28.760 And I know that the name of the album Dreamland 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:31.800 was taken for something a teacher actually said to you, right, yeah, yeah, 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:34.320 it kind of kind of directly references that it was 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:37.079 my teacher. I think she was my social studies teacher. 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:40.839 She was amazing. I actually really loved her as a teacher. 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:43.520 She was amazing. And she used to just snap her 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:47.400 fingers to say they pay attention, like you're in dreamland again. 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:51.360 I need you to focus. And that's it stuck with 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:53.280 me my whole life. I was always drifting off, I know, 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:58.320 which always catch myself going into into dreamland until this 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:02.120 very day. It's healthy. I was gonna say, you say 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:03.920 that like it's a bad thing. Oh, I know. I 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:05.800 think it's a great thing to do. It's been particularly 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:09.120 helpful like making music. That's just a little bit earlier 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:12.880 with with the Genesis of heat Waves. But your prior album, 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:14.760 How to Be a Human Being that was was almost 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:17.520 like a series of short stories, like from a fiction writer, 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:20.600 a lot of character studies in the songs. What was 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:25.160 the catalyst for sort of this this more autobiographical, you know, 0:12:25.240 --> 0:12:27.520 memoir shift. Was it just just sort of the the 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:30.200 you know, looking inward like you mentioned earlier, or was 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:32.240 there was that an avenue that you wanted to go 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:34.000 towards in your music and you wanted to sort of 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:36.840 build up confidence by writing about other people first and 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:40.360 then tackling what was inside. I'm never really wanted to 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:43.559 write about myself, but just I kind of started doing 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:48.400 it because I was writing songs for other people. That's 0:12:48.400 --> 0:12:50.800 really easy to write about yourself or like a person 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:53.640 story because you're not singing it, no one actually applies 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:55.760 it to you, and you can can tell all your 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:59.280 great secrets. That That's kind of what started. And then 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:01.600 there was a song I think the first time I 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:03.760 did it in a Glass Animals song was there's a 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:06.880 song called Agnes on the end of album, to the 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:09.920 end of that process that writing that album and I 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:11.640 actually didn't want it was too personal for me. I 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:14.000 didn't want to put it on the album. But the 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:16.760 the Joe actually I'm Druna convinced convinced me too, and 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:19.520 we did it. In The response from fans to that 0:13:19.559 --> 0:13:22.880 song was like absolutely life changing. It was a really 0:13:22.920 --> 0:13:24.560 it was a really hard thing to write about it. 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:27.400 But then the like people I don't know, we got 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:30.640 like letters from fans saying that song really spoke to 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:33.360 them more so than any other song we'd ever released, 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:36.240 and that really meant a lot to me that if 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:38.320 you can write something so personal and be so honest 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:41.040 in the song and it affects people like that, maybe 0:13:41.080 --> 0:13:43.800 it's it's okay to try it again. And I guess. 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:45.280 I guess. I also realized that a lot of my 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:48.360 favorite songs and favorite song writes in the past, that 0:13:48.520 --> 0:13:51.800 is that's what they did. They wrote really personal things 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:55.240 and people it made them feel like. Those songs made 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:58.240 me feel less alone. When I was feeling strange, I 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:01.960 would listen to The Beach Boys, listened to I don't Know, 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:04.400 I just read, I listened to my favorite songs and 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:07.800 feel comfortable, like some like these are my heroes and 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:10.640 they've they're feeling a bit out of sorts, they're feeling strange, 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:12.600 so it's okay. It kind of justifies the way that 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:15.000 you're feeling. And I just thought, maybe maybe I could 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:18.200 do that for one person. Maybe it sounds like a 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:20.280 lot more than one person. You you set me up 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:22.880 perfectly to talk about I'm almost embarrassed to bring this 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:24.880 album up because I feel, like I mentioned in every 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:28.080 single episode, it is one of my my favorite pieces 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:30.800 of music of all time. Pet Sounds by the Beach 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:34.800 Boys head beach Boy Brian Wilson's meditation on his past 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:38.200 and growing up in all those life moments, I get 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:40.520 the feeling that Dreamland is sort of your Pet Sounds 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:44.760 in a way. Yeah, that album was hugely influential, and 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:47.600 on this one, as if you can hear it in 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:49.960 the you know a lot of the sounds, and I 0:14:50.280 --> 0:14:52.479 actually went out and got a lot of the instruments 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:58.240 and preambsence like I've got racks of gear here that 0:14:58.600 --> 0:15:00.800 I went out and found the stuff the Beach Boys 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:05.240 used and the Beatles and also my favorite like more 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:08.600 modern record producers a lot of amazing hip hop producers. 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:11.440 They went out and source their samplers and and stuff 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:13.680 like that. But yeah, a lot of the guitars. And 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:19.120 there's a mellotron here, which is a kind of keyboard 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:22.160 that Beach Boys and the Beatles used a lot. Yeah, 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:26.600 one of my favorite records top certainly, probably my favorite 0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:29.200 record of all time, top three for sure. I was 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:32.600 just invited on a podcast called My Favorite Album, and 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:34.560 that was the one I spoke up for about an 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:38.600 hour all about why PET sounds so much, So it's 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:41.600 very fresh on my mind. Wow, what other I mean? 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:44.239 This is total gear nerd stuff. You have a melotron 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:46.400 that's amazing. What other kind of stuff do you have? 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:49.400 What have I got? I mean, I've got You'll have 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:51.560 to come over for a tour one day. But I've 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:54.400 got a lot of older guitars. I've got a half No. 0:15:54.600 --> 0:15:58.000 Five hundred, which is like a very classic Paul McCartney bass. 0:15:58.000 --> 0:16:01.560 It's beautiful. Oh. I used one of those until I 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:03.800 made the switch to a Rickenbacker bass like he did 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:06.560 on Revolver, because I wanted a little heavier. I wish 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:09.440 I could tell you more because I've just I've just 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:12.160 done it. I've been using a Rickenbacker lately. That's all 0:16:12.160 --> 0:16:15.200 I'll say. Any any anymore on that or all I 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:17.080 can say. That's all I can say. I've been using 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:20.360 one quite a lot, and it sounds it sounds cool. 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:24.800 Maybe it's something people were here at some point. I 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:26.560 was gonna say, I can't wait to hear it. I'm 0:16:26.560 --> 0:16:28.680 sure I will very soon. It's it's I mean, that's 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:30.920 a great bass guitar. But yeah, I've got a lot 0:16:30.920 --> 0:16:33.240 of old instruments and a lot of old synthesizers here 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:37.480 that really are just the classic. Yeah, there's classic sounds 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:39.840 of that error. That's why I love so much about 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:42.240 your music. And when you use these you know, melotrons 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:45.640 and Nive compressors and vintage drum machines to make something 0:16:45.680 --> 0:16:48.120 that you know, all these these vintage pieces from fifty 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:50.520 sixty years ago, that makes sounds that something like Timberland 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:52.720 and dr dre with meg and it gets such a 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:56.000 really unique blend, really unique sound. I mean that that 0:16:56.080 --> 0:16:59.160 was exactly the idea is because I was trying to 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:02.400 kind of take all of my favorite records from growing 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:06.040 up and just use them. So, yeah, I was recording 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:09.040 a lot of those Beetles and Beach Boys instruments through 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:12.480 the samplers the Dr Dre and Timberland might have used, 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:16.119 and chopping basically chopping them up. So I think that 0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:19.639 kind of lends. Yeah, it takes those older instruments and 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:22.159 brings them, brings a little bit more of a modern 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:25.560 chopped sound to them. And then I was doing the opposite. 0:17:25.560 --> 0:17:29.080 I was rerecording those samplers and those drums that Timberland 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:31.600 and Dr Drey might have used through all these old 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:36.399 pre amps, yeah, that they used in the sixties. I 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:39.040 read that you you write the majority of of your 0:17:39.080 --> 0:17:42.520 songs on on your first guitar, all classical guitar with 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:46.480 nylon strings. That true. My dog is you can probably 0:17:46.560 --> 0:17:49.359 hit my dog going absolutely crazy. Hold on, what's up 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:52.400 with I was biting? It's during his own tail. It's 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:56.800 not me growling. It's a it's a small, tiny little dog. 0:17:57.040 --> 0:18:00.760 But yeah, I have it here. Oh man, it never 0:18:00.840 --> 0:18:03.280 leaves my aside. Really, I write everything on it. And 0:18:03.320 --> 0:18:07.160 if if the song works on that and voice together, 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:10.200 yeah you're golden. You want that skeleton, the backbone of 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:11.800 the song to be as strong as possible, and then 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:15.000 you can start adding all the big drums and little 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:18.280 drums and the bass and the production details, but really 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:20.600 you need that, You need the melody and the chords 0:18:20.640 --> 0:18:22.960 to just be solid as a rock before you start 0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:25.040 doing that. I think that's such a great technique. I 0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:26.640 think I read that. I think it was David Bowie 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:28.520 would write some a lot of his early stuff, pre 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:31.920 hunky Dory stuff on this old beat up acoustic TV 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:33.640 string and people would say, you know, you can get 0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:35.439 you a better guitar. I said, no, if I can 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:38.480 make it sound good on this, it'll sound good on 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:41.560 on anything. Absolutely. Yeah. That was like. That was also 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:44.680 what Tom Morello Rage Against the Machine used to. He 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:48.080 used to write all of those huge riffs on a 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:51.560 guitar like this one that's like, really what a rubbish 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:53.639 classical guitar. And he was like, look if it sounds 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:58.960 heavy on this little dinky, sound like when I've got 0:18:58.960 --> 0:19:01.480 it going through my through my amps with my electric 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:06.000 and he was totally right. Those those riffs are absolute monsters. 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:10.000 Have you been been feeling productive musically during during the 0:19:10.040 --> 0:19:14.040 last eighteen months during during lockdown? I have, yeah, I guess. 0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:18.159 We released the album Wow nearly a year ago that 0:19:18.200 --> 0:19:22.320 has gone so quickly, weirdly quickly. It's time. The time 0:19:22.520 --> 0:19:26.560 warp of the pandemic is really Yeah. Anyway, we released 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:28.200 the album most a year ago, so there was a 0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:32.920 lot of album launch stuff happening for about six seven 0:19:32.960 --> 0:19:36.040 months after that, and I feel like the last couple 0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:38.320 of months I've gotten to get gotten to make some 0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:41.880 music again, not necessarily Glass Animals stuff, quite a lot 0:19:41.920 --> 0:19:44.720