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Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club Cowboys. This He's Talking

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Speaker 1: Cowboys Raining live from the Dallas Cowboys World Hours at

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Speaker 1: the Star in Frisco, Bowing Sabots and now your hosts

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Speaker 1: Isaiah Stanback, heck Ma Harrison, Rob Phillips and Kyle Yeomans.

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Speaker 1: It is another offseason edition of a TCT Talking Cowboys Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: here from the Star in Frisco in the s WBC studios,

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Speaker 1: as always presented by Tostido's our favorite ship and our

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Speaker 1: favorite dip of Talking Cowboys. Welcome in, everybody, Glad you're

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Speaker 1: with us, Rob Phillips, het Ma Harrison, Isaiah Stanbacko, Kyle

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Speaker 1: Yeoman's good night mate them in. Like that, free agency

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Speaker 1: is up and running. The Cowboys are no longer the

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Speaker 1: only team in the NFL. They were the last team

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Speaker 1: in the NFL to sign an outside free agent, but

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Speaker 1: they are no longer the only team in the NFL

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Speaker 1: without an outside free agent. We'll talk about some of

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Speaker 1: their moves here and there, and then maybe some of

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Speaker 1: the frustration that entails free agency in Frisco this time

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Speaker 1: of year. But gentlemen, how was your weekend. It's beautiful.

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Speaker 1: It's one of the beautiful weekend. Somebody here celebrated a birthday.

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Speaker 1: A birthday bu r f huh birth that was me

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Speaker 1: twenty eight years old? Oh man, yeah, man, thank you guys.

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Speaker 1: Oh there's there's like happy birthday in the back. Is

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Speaker 1: that what it is? Is? This? Is it the cev

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Speaker 1: Wanda version. It doesn't sound like the steam come on

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Speaker 1: making it this version. And I was awesome man. You know,

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Speaker 1: my part having a mark in the middle of a

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Speaker 1: wind storm. I wouldn't win. Storm that was not a

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Speaker 1: one story and the tornadoes that let's see at first

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Speaker 1: like that. You know, my meteorologists around here are serious,

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Speaker 1: right next level some of them. You know, once a

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Speaker 1: storm like that takes over and you're in the wrong place,

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Speaker 1: they will definitely let you know to take cover. And

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Speaker 1: thank God for those guys. So appreciate that. You know,

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Speaker 1: everybody taking looking at the doppler yesterday, but you know

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Speaker 1: them is awesome. The innersay is like a meteorologist. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you guys knew that say that again.

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Speaker 1: My my innersay is a meteorology. You just reference yourself

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Speaker 1: the inside. He's inside my heart, inside my heart a

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Speaker 1: little so it's a little zay. I've always want to

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Speaker 1: be a meteorologist. Yeah. Yeah, and you're gonna look at

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Speaker 1: me crazy. I want to chase a storm from a distance. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I'll do it with you, storm. But I love it.

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Speaker 1: I put it all the time, put the parentheses from

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Speaker 1: a distance, Yeah, from a distance. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: That's the guy on one of the stations though. They

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Speaker 1: a truck on the highway yesterday, yea, and tornado came

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Speaker 1: through him. That guy, dude, did you see it? Flipped

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Speaker 1: don't think it's a truck that we can mention, but

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Speaker 1: the in the parking garage at the moment. Uh. Yeah. Well,

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Speaker 1: in all seriousness, for those that were affected by the

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Speaker 1: Were about five minutes into the show. That's about about right, Rob,

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Speaker 1: what good an hour? Yeah, we got a full hour

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Speaker 1: You want to talk about the new additions for this

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Speaker 1: Wherever that lies in April. Well, I think Stephen Jones

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Speaker 1: I'm confused. It's just WrestleMania's nixt I was, That's what

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Speaker 1: I was thinking. Yeah, that was a week. I'm not

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Speaker 1: going because the tickets are maddening what I wanted to go?

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Speaker 1: I don't want to exactly what day it's worth it

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Speaker 1: don't disagree WrestleMania the way that my my my pace

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Speaker 1: talk to some people. You can stairs go talk to

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Speaker 1: you can say for real for real. My kids are

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Speaker 1: like are we going? My daughter's like no, it costs

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Speaker 1: too much. I'm like, oh, that's facts. That's facts. You

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Speaker 1: are ten years old. It's worth it's gonna be. I'm

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Speaker 1: looking at Sunday. I'm looking at the third Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: I just got Saturday ticket. You know who's coming on.

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Speaker 1: You know who's gonna be their Saturday right, Stone freaking cold,

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Speaker 1: Stone Cold. He's gonna open up one last can yep?

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Speaker 1: Him and Kevin Owens or having they're having. What do

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Speaker 1: you know about Sunday? You know something? You know something? No,

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Speaker 1: I talked to you later. No, I don't know. Let's

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Speaker 1: talk about James Washington ticket and what he brings. He's not, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's not what he brings to the table. James Washington

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Speaker 1: added from the Steelers as an undraft or excuse me,

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Speaker 1: an unrestricted free agent. You were talking about him a

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Speaker 1: little bit, just kind of very briefly. I'll let you

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Speaker 1: kind of run down what do you see in washington consistency.

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Speaker 1: I like him. I like him because of the fact

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Speaker 1: he's versatile. If you're going to get rid of Amari

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Speaker 1: Cooper and you're gonna buy into the fact that you

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Speaker 1: don't need a true number one, regardless of what they

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Speaker 1: might say about CD and his abilities, they are going

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Speaker 1: with people who can who are interchangeable. There's no true

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Speaker 1: X f or Z in this offense anymore. There isn't

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Speaker 1: There isn't anybody that you just say, hey, this guy's

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Speaker 1: gonna be lined up here every single time. James Washington

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Speaker 1: be on the outside, he could be in the slot,

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Speaker 1: he could be on the opposite end. It doesn't matter

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Speaker 1: where you put these guys. All three of these of

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Speaker 1: these quote unquote starting receivers now between Gallup, CD in Washington,

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Speaker 1: these guys can be anywhere on the field. And I

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Speaker 1: think that's what I think, that's what Kellen Moore was

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Speaker 1: going towards when he pretty much disposed of Coop. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So I like the pictures because he's assistant, he's explosive. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, he's he's he's a he's a what's it.

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Speaker 1: What's the word I'm looking for. I don't know, Man,

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Speaker 1: He's a he's a every day he's an every down receiver.

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Speaker 1: You know, in terms of the terms of just value,

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Speaker 1: He's gonna be where you need to be. You know,

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Speaker 1: I kind of look at the same context as Scholtz,

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Speaker 1: like he's gonna be where you need him to be.

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Speaker 1: But he's a lot more explosive. He's never sniffed a

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Speaker 1: thousand yards receiving. But he's also had guys in front

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Speaker 1: of them all the time. You look at like the

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Speaker 1: Deonte Johnson over the last couple of years, Clay Chase, Claypool,

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Speaker 1: Juju Smith, Schuster, they've had guys. Yeah, he went to

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Speaker 1: Kansas City. Uh, I mean, they've had guys in front

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Speaker 1: of him. Plus, he's kind of had a dead armed

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Speaker 1: quarterback for the last four seasons. If we're being real

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Speaker 1: with Ben Roethlisberger, who can't throw it fifteen yards down

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Speaker 1: the field. Was a phenomenal player, but he also couldn't

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Speaker 1: throw the football the last couple of years. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's a fact, you know. But is there any concern

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Speaker 1: about his lack of production. Nope, even with all of

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Speaker 1: those factors around there, because you're not expecting him to

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Speaker 1: be in the running with Michael Gallup and Ceedee Lamb.

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Speaker 1: He's that interchangeable guy who kind of provides a change

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Speaker 1: up for this offense. Unfortunately, I've watched a lot of

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Speaker 1: Steeler football hall because of family ties. Yeah, you've got

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Speaker 1: a pretty good reason. Yeah, So, I mean, look, James

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Speaker 1: Washington is I'm gonna take this out of a page

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Speaker 1: the page of the book of Mickey Spagnola. Okay, who

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Speaker 1: would would title him as a bridge player? If the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys going to the draft and get something better, then

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Speaker 1: he may not even we don't know if he even

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Speaker 1: makes the roster. The same Yeah, the same with Dante Fowler.

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Speaker 1: If there's something better that they have in the draft

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Speaker 1: or they're able to get something better in free agency,

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Speaker 1: these guys may be camp casualties. One of the things

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Speaker 1: that I see in James Washington is although he's had

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Speaker 1: those great players in front of him, he's had he's

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Speaker 1: had the he's taking some plays off. Okay, but I

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Speaker 1: think in this system you're not going to demand anything

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Speaker 1: from him, so his ability to be a possession receiver

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Speaker 1: will be there. The question is, you know, with everything

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Speaker 1: that we've seen with CD and Mike g will they

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Speaker 1: take advantage of his skill set and that is particularly

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Speaker 1: as a possession receiver. I mean, you look at him

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Speaker 1: and I believe it's twenty twenty he had nineteen first

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Speaker 1: downs and in twenty nineteen thirty one first down, So

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Speaker 1: that just tells you where he is as far as

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Speaker 1: keep keeping the chains moving, and that's exactly what we

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Speaker 1: have needed. We talk about those slump areas for that.

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Speaker 1: He needs a receiver that can do the dirty work,

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Speaker 1: get in there in between those double teams and not

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Speaker 1: afraid to go over the middle and take those shots.

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Speaker 1: And he's solid. He's five eleven, two fifteen. Yeah, he's

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Speaker 1: He's not a skinny dude. No, No, he's due solid.

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Speaker 1: So he's gonna be able to sit in there in

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Speaker 1: those gaps and take those hits. That's a great point

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Speaker 1: brought up by Heckma in the first down discrepancies back

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Speaker 1: and forth, because that shows that in his best season,

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Speaker 1: the only year where he got had over seven hundred

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Speaker 1: yards receiving, he had an underneath game. He had that

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Speaker 1: game where he could kind of fit him in a

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Speaker 1: hole and just throw it to him and it's a

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Speaker 1: first down kind of somewhat what Dalton Schultz did throughout

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Speaker 1: the season this past year. He's been a deep threat

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Speaker 1: Washington has for the majority of his career. But if

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Speaker 1: he can put together the deep threat and intermingle and

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Speaker 1: underneath game, then yeah, he could certainly be a tool

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Speaker 1: for this offense. But it doesn't mean he's gonna stick around.

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Speaker 1: I'm right there, I think Heckma has a spot on.

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Speaker 1: They could still take a receiver second in their second

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Speaker 1: round in the draft, second or third round and feel

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Speaker 1: great about it. It starts over Washington. Oh oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: oh easy money. Well yeah, I totally agree with that.

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Speaker 1: I think he's on the team, though I don't know

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Speaker 1: if he's off the team either because because Michael Gallup

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Speaker 1: may or may not be ready for Week one. He's

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Speaker 1: certainly you know, I think great poet. Watch his workload

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Speaker 1: in training camp. I mean, they need wide receivers on

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Speaker 1: this team. They need bodies, you know. Noah Brown's on

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Speaker 1: the back end of the roster as usual. Special teams

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Speaker 1: guy Sefoco is going to be fighting to get on

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Speaker 1: this roster again. I say something else. Nope, sorry allergies.

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Speaker 1: Um me too bad bad today. Um I am a

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Speaker 1: little curious. White James couldn't get on the field enough

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Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh though they were stuck. They are Chase Claypool.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they've got guys, but he was a second

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Speaker 1: he I think he had thirty average, like thirty snaps

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Speaker 1: the game last season. Is playtime actually dipped last season Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And that's all I'm saying. And you know, hey, I

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Speaker 1: got excited about how Clinton Dix I make it out

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Speaker 1: of camp. I did not. No, I'm just saying I did. Was.

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Speaker 1: I like James Washington. I really like him, and I

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Speaker 1: think I think you guys might be overlooking his value

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Speaker 1: to this team. I hope it right. And and I

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Speaker 1: look at it from the context is how Kellen Moore

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Speaker 1: wants to use these guys in this offense. It's not

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Speaker 1: even about each individual's ability of what they can do.

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Speaker 1: It's about how are they going to be utilizing Dalton

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Speaker 1: Shortz is eleven million dollars man right now because of

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00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: how they're utilizing him in his offense. Yeah, he's not

638
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: running by anybody, he's not routing anybody up. He's finding

639
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: the gaps. He's finding the gaps and he's being consistent.

640
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: He's eleven million dollars man now right. James Washington was

641
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: buried between three dogs a receiver, three dogs, not just

642
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: one three. He was a second round pick. Thought overall,

643
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: if you're drafted in that spot, you're expected to be

644
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: a dog. Juju Claypool and Deante Johnson in front of you,

645
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,479
Speaker 1: like those are dudes. Those are dudes. And you had

646
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: and you had a receiver, I mean, you had a

647
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: quarterback who wasn't able to throw the ball. You had

648
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: to lean on your running game, right like it wasn't

649
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: the best necessary. I'm not making MILLI I'm not making.

650
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: All I'm saying is what he does will will be

651
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: highlighted in this particular offense. I'm not saying he's gonna

652
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: be a thousand yard dude or anything like that, but

653
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: he will move the chains. Maybe, yeah, maybe he turns

654
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: out to be what Martellis Bennett was here and like,

655
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: oh hey, they kind of wasted a draft pick on

656
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: Martelli's Bennett because they didn't have snaps for him after

657
00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: they took him in the second round. And maybe, you know,

658
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 1: he can break out little bit. That's why, in addition

659
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: to being from this area, he wants an opportunity. You know,

660
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: he reports said last year he wanted a trade because

661
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: he wanted to play. So he's gonna have a chance.

662
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: I think it'll be. What will help him is if

663
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,239
Speaker 1: and Isaiah kind of spoke to this a minute ago,

664
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: if he can move around a little bit, play in

665
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: the slot. Because he was primarily an outside receiver in

666
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh one of the final things. And I think he

667
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: will be interchangeable. I think he'll play this slot quite

668
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: a bit actually, And that's that's Mike McCarthy has established

669
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: that from the moment he got here. I want my

670
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 1: receivers to play everywhere, everywhere, you know. Yeah, one final

671
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: point on James Washington before we move on to Fallard

672
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: Junior again. But you mentioned those receivers and having to

673
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: be dogs in Claypool and Juju Smith, Schuster, Deante Johnson.

674
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 1: All three of those guys were drafted after where James

675
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: Washington was drafted in twenty eighteen. I mean, you know,

676
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: I'm not a big word position to turn the where

677
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: you get drafted at. It's I mean what I'm just saying,

678
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,239
Speaker 1: there's value there. I understand that, but like it's all

679
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: about how teams are utilize those guys fit into that system.

680
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: And those guys elevated. Yeah, big question mark is why

681
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: because they're huge and that's what they were going for.

682
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: Yante Johnson's five ten bro. Yeah, but he freaking blazing speed.

683
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 1: That's what Washington was supposed to be. He's four or

684
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: five guy. It's okay, So something like I mean, I

685
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: hear you, but like he's a four or five guy.

686
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: Like they put their their whole psychology was we're gonna

687
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: get two freaking blazing receivers and Juju and Deontha Johnson,

688
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: and we're gonna get a freaking tight end that receiver

689
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: position in Claypool. And that's what they went with that,

690
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: that's what was their scheme. They went to the old

691
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: school Roy Williams, TEO Calvin Johnson. They were trying to

692
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: reinvent that whole deal and it may or may not

693
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,439
Speaker 1: work out depending on who's throwing the ball to them,

694
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: but that's what they were going for jump balls. They

695
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: weren't focused on little guys like him. He's a value guy.

696
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 1: Dallas doesn't want a big time receiver. They want value guys.

697
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 1: And that's what they just got. Who are you sorry?

698
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: Go for it? No, I was just gonna say, you know,

699
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 1: we let's let's not act like we hadn't seen receivers

700
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: or running backs go to a certain system and it worked,

701
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: and we want for Washington to come here and this

702
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: be the system that works. We saw it work for

703
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: said who went to Miami got a bigger deal because

704
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: he was in a system that fit his play style.

705
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: This could be something that happens for him. We hadn't

706
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: seen a lot of Semi Fihoko or other guys that

707
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 1: are in that receiver room, but they could possibly emerge

708
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: as well. I don't want to leave any of those

709
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,959
Speaker 1: guys out because the wide receiver three is wide open

710
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: and who it's gonna go to, whoever wants to take it.

711
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: I don't want to just say, James Washinger, you walk

712
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: in here and this is gonna be guaranteed. There's a

713
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: lot of show improved still to be there. When you

714
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,399
Speaker 1: say he hadn't sniffed a thousand yards, we see him

715
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: as a possession receiver. We look at the touchdowns still

716
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 1: those numbers are lacking. And by the way, he's gonna

717
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: be in between two two guys that you think are

718
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 1: gonna be your dogs, just on offense, just because baseball's back.

719
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 1: I'm throwing in a baseball reference. If you're going up

720
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: against a three hundred hitter with twenty home runs and

721
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:48,919
Speaker 1: one hundred RBIs, you're not gonna throw him changeups every

722
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: single time you throw him a fastball, and then you

723
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 1: throw him a change up to keep him off balance,

724
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: And that's exactly what James Washington is. He's that changeup

725
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: that is a little bit different than Ceedee Lamb and

726
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: Michael Gallup. But it's not gonna be the main factor.

727
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: It's not gonna be that out pitch. I just I

728
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 1: just like his versatility, that's all. And And I hope

729
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 1: we remember this conversation because I think he's gonna be

730
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:13,879
Speaker 1: very valuable to come back, you know, because and the reason,

731
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: the reason being is, um day, I just blanked out.

732
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: But I mean, no, you're good. I mean, you guys

733
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: will see. You guys will see I mean I think

734
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: I think you guys really will because you can get

735
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: your career revived. Sure, you can get your career revived.

736
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: That second round pick that you're talking about. Sometimes guys

737
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: just need the confidence. Look at the things. Players just

738
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: lose confidence sometimes because the system or because they feel

739
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: like they're I'm never gonna get elevated because those guys

740
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 1: are in that position. That's politics of NFL. Sorry, people,

741
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: you get buried beneath some guys and guess what, you're

742
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 1: Your your desire, your drive, all that stuff starts lacking. Right.

743
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: You're trying to just say I'm here, I'm present, present, right,

744
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden you get into a

745
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: new situation and it's ooh, yeah, let's here we go.

746
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It happened to me when

747
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: I was here in Dallas, like I injury after injury,

748
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm never gonna get up there.

749
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I'm gonna keep working hard.

750
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 1: And I got released and I went to New England.

751
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, new start, let's go. And

752
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, now I'm out there starting. You

753
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I couldn't start here, but I

754
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: went to New England with starting. So it's just it

755
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: just depends on this situation and how teams value. And

756
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,240
Speaker 1: he's a guy who's dreamt of being in this position.

757
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: He's dreamt of being a part of this organization. He

758
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: grew up a Cowboys fan, he's a Texas product. Maybe

759
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 1: this is that fresh start, and you're speaking of resurrecting

760
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: careers and re jump starting careers. Look at the guy

761
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: we started the show with and we were excited about resigning,

762
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: and that's Jay Ron Kurse. That's exactly a great, a

763
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: great example of how it could work, and hopefully it

764
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 1: does work for James Washington wants you puffing that chest

765
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: down all right back here, picktoris me and getting right

766
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: back into it. Who are you more excited about? Are

767
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: you more excited about Washington or about Dante Fowler Junior

768
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: and what he could bring you that defense? Washington? Why

769
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,879
Speaker 1: why not? I like Fowler. I like Fowler a lot.

770
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: I think he's going to be a guy that you

771
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: could throw in there for a change up. I think

772
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: he's a high effort guy. He can get low, he

773
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: can get underneath the offensive tackles. I don't see him

774
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: as being dominant, but I see him as being a disruptor.

775
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 1: And that's what this defense is all about. Fast. We

776
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: talked about this forever, right, fast physical, even when Quinn

777
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 1: got hired. I told you that's what's gonna be. A

778
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 1: fast physical selfless individuals who are gonna give it, lay

779
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 1: it all on the line and say, hey, I need

780
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: you to take this left shoulder of heckma and run

781
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: through that thing full speed so that you can free

782
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 1: up this guy. That's what he is, and that's what

783
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: he's gonna do. And if you allow him to get

784
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: some confidence and guess what we've seen we've done in

785
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: the past. YEP. I like I like Fowler more. I mean,

786
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: I like the Washington sign him because I think it,

787
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: like we talked about, it, kind of covers themselves. And

788
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: he's got a He's a guy Washington, a guy they

789
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: brought in before the draft. They really liked him coming out.

790
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: So there's there's kind of extry with the yeah, with

791
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: the scouting department. But Fowler's a dan Quinn guy, and

792
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: I guess I just trust dan Quinn knows what he

793
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 1: sees and he has a vision for players and he's

794
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 1: and it's been that way with Fouler in three spots now.

795
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: It was in college. He coached him for a year

796
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: in college, Atlanta and now here. And I just think

797
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 1: he's gonna know exactly what this guy can bring to

798
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: my defense and help recreate those six sacks that Gregory

799
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: had lesser. Yeah, I'm hoping for the same pee And

800
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,439
Speaker 1: I just feel as though Cooper's absence now has left

801
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 1: a meteoric size hole in our our receiver room. And

802
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if one guy can feel it, you know,

803
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna have to do a boda. They

804
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: don't want one guy to feel it. And if I

805
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 1: can't wait, you wanted a guy to feel it, you

806
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: would move up in the draft and go get a

807
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: guy like you. I don't even think you're waiting. I

808
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: really am waiting to see how they do this. How

809
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,760
Speaker 1: I really, I'm serious. I want to see Kelly Moore's

810
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: magic that bag? How deep is that satchel because he's

811
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 1: gonna have to go all the way down to the crumbs,

812
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 1: you know, get a Pepperman out the bag. Yes, to

813
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 1: improve this offensive because look, man, what we lost. I'm

814
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: just saying from the production side, the route running side,

815
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: that is going to be big, all right. But on

816
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: the defensive side, I think look Randy Gregory's numbers. A

817
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: lot of people now they've gotten to the line. He

818
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: only had six, you know, sacks. Randy was a little

819
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,879
Speaker 1: bit more than that, you know, his impact and just

820
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: the way that the offensive line had to get offenses

821
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,760
Speaker 1: had to account for where ninety four was. They couldn't

822
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: just leave him one on one. Um. I look Dante Fouler,

823
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: I've watched a lot of him over the years. I

824
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: think in the playoff game that we had against him,

825
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: he showed out in that one as well. But look,

826
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 1: he hadn't had a double digit sack year since twenty nineteen,

827
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,879
Speaker 1: and so to me, that says, is he a guy

828
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: that's on the decline. That's why I say, hey, is

829
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: he gonna make it through camp? Will he be a

830
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: camp casualty? I want to see. I've seen guys like

831
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: Jerun curse that last year. This time, we were not

832
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 1: excited about that pick. I mean, we're looking at a

833
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: guy from Detroit and Minnesota that was just a special teams,

834
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 1: special teams guy. You know, we needed an ace, a

835
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: guy that could come in. But and then he ended

836
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: up being mister everything for us. I would love for

837
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: Dante Fowler Junior to be exactly that, but he's just

838
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: gonna be what he's gonna be as a rotational player.

839
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: And I think, yeah, I think we'll see if they

840
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 1: add anybody else. Um, but I think you're also counting

841
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: on dorm Stromstrong to be take a step forward, not

842
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: to be Raindy Gregory, but take a step forward. And

843
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,760
Speaker 1: then again, it's it's the sum of those guys creating

844
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: that production. Yeah, but I think Armstrong is probably gonna

845
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: be your starter right this second. And then Fowler Junior

846
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: would be the quick still in there, and then it

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Speaker 1: put rotation back of the situational passage change of pace

848
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Speaker 1: guy Well, and you mentioned on the back end of

849
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Speaker 1: the last two years he's been banged up. He hasn't

850
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Speaker 1: been one hundred percent healthy. He hasn't been in a

851
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Speaker 1: defense that's allowed him to be successful. If we're being

852
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: completely honest, that that Atlanta defense, I mean, we saw

853
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: it twice. They the Cowboys have put up forty plus points.

854
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: They were one of the worst. They were terrible. It's

855
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: part of the reason why Quinn's here is because of

856
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Speaker 1: how bad they were when they when when that defense

857
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,919
Speaker 1: was happening there. Maybe that wasn't the right situation. Last

858
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: time he was in a decent situation with a decent defense,

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Speaker 1: he went Ham in Los Angeles and was a big

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Speaker 1: time player, one of the league leaders in sacks for

861
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: the Rams. Maybe that's something that happens here. It's not

862
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 1: the expectation though. The Aaron Donald, the Aaron Donald effect

863
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: is a motherboy. He's been having a big man in

864
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Speaker 1: the oh Man, you got it. Aaron Donald just make

865
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 1: everything seems so much better from the secondary on. So,

866
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe that was the byproduct of it. But

867
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Speaker 1: I think also him being on the field with Mica

868
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: is gonna change his game. Yeah. Absolutely, twenty seven. He's

869
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 1: not an old player. He's not like on the back

870
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 1: end of his career. He'll turn twenty eight in August.

871
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,879
Speaker 1: There's still plenty of time for him to really see

872
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Speaker 1: an up there. The Bazookas gonna come into Oxnard two

873
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Speaker 1: eighty to eighty muscle no, no, put on the right

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875
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Speaker 1: give it up. We gotta give it up. I know

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Speaker 1: you back he and Nick and Sam's right now in truffles.

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Speaker 1: Let's go. I want I want to hear your thought.

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Speaker 1: come on, you know enough time for this. We don't.

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Speaker 1: We don't. Let's take a break and then we're gonna

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Speaker 1: Cowboys presented by Tostitos Welcome Back. In final segment, what

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Speaker 1: a weekly show this has become it's become off the rails.

925
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: Just hit a little bit of everybody. Get back to

926
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: every day, um like training camp or training camp. Ye

927
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Speaker 1: speeds us up, man, I'm good. Give me a little

928
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: bit of time. I see you see that, you see that.

929
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Speaker 1: You see they've been in the game for me. That's

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Speaker 1: why when they got when they got offices. Man, give

931
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Speaker 1: me a little bit of time taked up. Let me

932
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Speaker 1: get through the traft, let me get a the drag.

933
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: Let me let me hang out for a little bit.

934
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: I just sit and heckmen, I just sit here and

935
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: wait for the you know, the rundowns to come once

936
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: a week. Let me just wait for the next opportunity

937
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,879
Speaker 1: to speak. Oh, I see what you're referencing now, I see,

938
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Speaker 1: must be nice. I appreciate you, rundown. So thanks. I've

939
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 1: been on shows where you sit down and say, what

940
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Speaker 1: do you guys want to talk about today? I don't know.

941
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: We've done that a couple of times. Happens. I'll try

942
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: to get yeah, hex like rundowns are the most detailed

943
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: out of the like world excited rundown Like. There's a

944
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Speaker 1: lot of capital letters. I think there's probably a broken

945
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 1: exclamation point here and there. I think like it because

946
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Speaker 1: it just sticks. There's like fourteen of them together, you know,

947
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Speaker 1: pretty pretty energy. I'm bad about my exclamation points. I've

948
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Speaker 1: been told about it. I don't care. You know, I

949
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: live my life. My life is an extent quarter mile

950
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 1: in time. You you're twenty eight. Now you can do

951
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: whatever the hell you And that's why the show up

952
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: and show out. That's why I put it on in

953
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Speaker 1: bold letters. Sir, Well, guess what you'll get the host

954
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 1: next week. Let's go love it. I'm gone, I'm out

955
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: of here. Where are you at? New York? Going to

956
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 1: New York seeing the fiance's fam meeting them for the

957
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: first time. So that's awesome. I've never got there. Uh. Well,

958
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: like the extended family she has, like grandparents and ants

959
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: and stuff up there. Nice the first time. Why do

960
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:34,280
Speaker 1: you sound worried? No, not like the not the close family.

961
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 1: It's sir, exton family. That's auld fun. She's from Staten Island,

962
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,720
Speaker 1: so nice. Uh. Let's talk a little bit about Lyle Collins.

963
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: He is no longer with the Dallas Cowboys, actually recently

964
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 1: signed a deal with the Cincinnati Bengals, right reigning champions

965
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 1: out of the AFC the bodyguard Bartigard or bodyguard of

966
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow. Now, yeah, man, it's kind of tough to say,

967
00:47:56,320 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: and it's tough to see Lyle Lee, But I get

968
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: the sense that it's not as disappointing as some of

969
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: the other departures that we've seen throughout the off season.

970
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: And why is that, Rob, I don't know. I don't

971
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 1: know if it is less disappointing to the fans. I mean,

972
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 1: here's my thing, Like we just talked about kind of

973
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: their their roadmap for free agency, and they do what

974
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 1: they've always done. They kind of they look for opportunistic

975
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: signings and they try to resign their own guys, and

976
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,399
Speaker 1: that's what they do. And I think we've talked about

977
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: some of the things they've done. I think it makes sense.

978
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:35,479
Speaker 1: But you throw Amari Cooper's trade and low Collins leaving

979
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: on top of it, and that's where I think fans

980
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: have a hard time because it's like, now you've added

981
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 1: two more needs where you already had, right, yeah, right,

982
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: And and that's like, I know why they moved on.

983
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it's ten million dollars that you're saving, and

984
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: they can use that a whole lot next year, right

985
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: though you only like two again next year, they say,

986
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: But but for ten this year, that's all that alone

987
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: can help pay for your draft class contract. Sure, you know, um,

988
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:05,760
Speaker 1: and if he wasn't going to be the right tackle,

989
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 1: and if they didn't think he could play left guard,

990
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 1: then I get it, you know, but but now you

991
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: need a backup tackle and you need on top of

992
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: we just talked about wide receiver. They they've got to

993
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,479
Speaker 1: find a way to replace Amari's production. Those two, those

994
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 1: two changes on top of what they always do in

995
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: free agency, to me is where I think I get

996
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 1: what they're doing. But is the roster going to be

997
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: as deep on paper as talented on paper? That's going

998
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,479
Speaker 1: to be the question. Yeah, but but I yeah, Terrence

999
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:37,120
Speaker 1: Steele was they decided he was going to be the

1000
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: guy at right tackle. The bottom line, and my biggest

1001
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: thing is why would you not keep depth on at

1002
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 1: offensive tackle. There's got to be something behind the scenes

1003
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: there with Lyell that maybe it's the the injury, the

1004
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: hit issue, Maybe he's not playing the same way. They're

1005
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:55,280
Speaker 1: rumblings that he can't bend the same way and play

1006
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 1: that that guard spot or even of course play the

1007
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: tackle spot that he was very much so used too.

1008
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,919
Speaker 1: If that's the case, then maybe I feel a little

1009
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 1: bit better about moving on. But at the same time,

1010
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: I would rather have Terrence Steele as you as your

1011
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: starter like they would we're planning on doing regardless, and

1012
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: then still have a fallback option in Lyle Collins. And

1013
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: that's not there anymore. There's no more safety net at

1014
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 1: the tackle spot. You go from Terrence Steele now to

1015
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: probably Josh Ball. Is that your next tackle he's gonna

1016
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: have to be, Yeah, I mean to compete for that job. Yeah,

1017
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: And that was that was kind of the hope that

1018
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 1: he could be a swing tackle candidate or maybe the

1019
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: guy as a rookie, and then he got hurt. Yeah.

1020
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 1: I don't think tackle is out of the question at

1021
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 1: pick number twenty four either. I think there's a chance

1022
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: to tackle. Yeah, offensive tackle, because man, they got a

1023
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: whole They've got a great left guard right now. Yeah,

1024
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,959
Speaker 1: But I don't think you should rule out tackle as well.

1025
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 1: I think offensive line in general, if you had to

1026
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: had to put odds on a player being selected at

1027
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: twenty four, I think offensive line across the board, it's

1028
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: probably all white hover a lot nine. Yeah, the two compensatory.

1029
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 1: They have four fifth round draft picks right now, two consensatory,

1030
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 1: one from the market. If we're just gonna call this

1031
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 1: an unceremonious departure, then let it be what it is.

1032
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,479
Speaker 1: He got unseated by a try hard guy, a guy

1033
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: that came in and busted but and made it happen.

1034
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: And you're not the Cowboys are not gonna go for

1035
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: eighteen million dollars safety net. Just call it what it is.

1036
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 1: And maybe there were some other things coming back from

1037
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 1: the labrom injury and some other off the field things

1038
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: that maybe we don't know about, but you know, rubber

1039
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: hit rolled and they had to make a decision on

1040
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:39,919
Speaker 1: him and it didn't feel like he was a guy

1041
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: that could be a part of their future. But let's

1042
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: just talk about the optics for layout Collins, because he

1043
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 1: was a guy that not only had some you know,

1044
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: drug tests issues, but he's a guy that tried to

1045
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: pay the drug tester off. So that's what that was

1046
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 1: all about it And I'm sorry when it comes down

1047
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: to IQ testing right there, that is probably you know,

1048
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 1: dipping low when you do something like that. And for

1049
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 1: the Cowboys organization, that has historically, you know, had the

1050
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:10,879
Speaker 1: I guess cloud over them that they will bring bad

1051
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 1: boys in this this is one that they're trying to

1052
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: get from under. And look, Leo Collins as a player,

1053
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 1: obviously with a lot of promise. We got him because

1054
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 1: he failed it out of the draft because of something

1055
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,919
Speaker 1: off the field, and then he comes in and then

1056
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 1: we're still having issues with him. You think about guys

1057
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 1: like him, you think about guys like Randy, and you say, look,

1058
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: you guys should be, you know, model citizens in the

1059
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: community and on the field. But man, sometimes man guys

1060
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:39,320
Speaker 1: don't change who they are. And so look, in this situation,

1061
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 1: I wish Laoe Collins all the best. He is a

1062
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:45,240
Speaker 1: big time tackle who can play big if he wants

1063
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: to play. And I just think it just came down

1064
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 1: to that want to that the coaching coaches didn't see

1065
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: anything to add there. I got nothing to add. He gone,

1066
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: He's gone, and I think I have sure there's there's

1067
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 1: problems in its own with the whole drug testing situation

1068
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 1: and then that whole story that came out this past year.

1069
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 1: I honestly have more of a reserve, or at least

1070
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 1: more frustration over the fact that he showed up to

1071
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty training camp after the pandemic kind of hit,

1072
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: and he was just completely out of shape after a

1073
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen season where he had finally kind of risen

1074
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: to the challenge and taken that right tackle spot and

1075
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: ultimately became that starter at the position, and then you

1076
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 1: turn around and he's not ready for training camp, and

1077
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 1: then he's overweighed and he's he's not in shape, and

1078
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 1: then he gets hurt, and of course the everything from

1079
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 1: there just kind of snowballed. That's where I had the

1080
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 1: biggest problem along the way with Lyle Collins. Well, yeah,

1081
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: I mean availability, right and then and then last year

1082
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 1: heck touched on the suspension and you're talking about a

1083
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 1: new coaching staff coming in that doesn't have you know,

1084
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:52,720
Speaker 1: the history that Jason Garrett had, different history with Lyle Collins.

1085
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I think, you know, Lyle's a great guy,

1086
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: and I think the organization really loved Lyle. But but

1087
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: it's part salary. It's ten million dollars as opposed to

1088
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 1: a guy who's still on a rookie free agent contract,

1089
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: you know, so you can't pay tim and done for

1090
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 1: somebody that you don't know is going to be your starter. No,

1091
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 1: And you're right, And I mentioned like they have a

1092
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 1: need there. Good point. You can't have ten million dollars

1093
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 1: for a backup tackle potentially, I get it. But again,

1094
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 1: they've got they've got holes on the line right now.

1095
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:25,320
Speaker 1: And I think you're right. I think the draft is

1096
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 1: probably we're returning to here. Yeah, I think you're probably

1097
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: going to see that offensive line first round, wide receivers

1098
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: second round. This could all change, and it depends on

1099
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: what happens draft day specifically, but there's a lot of

1100
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: different ways you could go. Now. Meant going back to

1101
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 1: the defensive line talk, and we talked a lot about

1102
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: the edge, and Isaiah mentioned defensive tackle. Early on, I

1103
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:49,720
Speaker 1: was looking at a list of free agents. There really

1104
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:55,720
Speaker 1: wasn't that big name, big ticket free agent defensive tackle

1105
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 1: that was on the board. I mean, Sebastian Joseph Days,

1106
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 1: Tim Settle, I mean, these are not names that are

1107
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:05,320
Speaker 1: gonna jump off the page. Regardless. DJ Jones is probably

1108
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: the highest rated guy, and he signed for three years,

1109
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 1: thirty million, so ten a year for him. They didn't

1110
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 1: really have that big ticket guy. So would you be

1111
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:16,360
Speaker 1: okay drafting a true nose tackle to throw in that

1112
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: rotation with the Nosa Dikizua, Neville Gallimore or do you

1113
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,360
Speaker 1: feel good about where you're at there even without adding

1114
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: something this off, I don't feel good. And I would

1115
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 1: not draft another defensive tackle slash, you know, unique nose,

1116
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: but if he's a true nose, that's what That's kind

1117
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:33,320
Speaker 1: of why I said that you're not gonna want to

1118
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 1: draft a three tech. I just think you have so

1119
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 1: many young guys in there. Let him blossom. Ye, I think, yeah,

1120
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 1: I think you need. I think you need. I bet

1121
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 1: if you if you're going to make that move, I

1122
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 1: think that um, big man Jenkins was the was the

1123
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: way to go. Man, he's gone. If you're gonna make

1124
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 1: a big splash, that was that was it. That was

1125
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 1: the one, that was the one, and he gone. So

1126
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 1: now you gotta roll with with what you have and

1127
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: hopefully you get Urban back. Well. I just hope that

1128
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 1: they don't go the route that they win in twenty twenty,

1129
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:04,840
Speaker 1: know with the Don Terry Poe, Everson Griffin, Jerald McCoy

1130
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 1: and you talk about free agent missus, you were talking

1131
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:11,879
Speaker 1: about Don Terry Poe was one of those Yeah, I mean,

1132
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 1: I mean but but that's what a lot of this

1133
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 1: starts to sound like in the offseason when gods put

1134
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 1: a wish list together on who they want, and I

1135
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 1: go back to, well, damn, did we learn anything from

1136
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 1: Don Terry Poe and Everson Griffin. I mean, I understand

1137
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:25,959
Speaker 1: these are guys that at that position when they were playing,

1138
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: we're playing at a high level at some point, but

1139
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:31,359
Speaker 1: the you know, gravity took over and they were not

1140
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 1: the players that we thought. And that honestly, and that's

1141
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 1: why this strategy can be flawed because you're you're signing

1142
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 1: this is what they do, right, It's one to your

1143
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 1: deals on guys that made tribute. Yeah, have have done

1144
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 1: things in the league, but are they going to continue

1145
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 1: doing those things? And I think there's there is less

1146
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 1: margin for error sometimes with guys that um are not

1147
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:56,879
Speaker 1: in that first wave. But again too, you can look

1148
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 1: at the other way. You know, Von Miller gets a

1149
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:02,439
Speaker 1: huge on trash for his age in Buffalo and maybe

1150
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: this year's one twenty, Yeah, maybe in three years that's

1151
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 1: not looking so good either. So I think there's a

1152
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 1: balance in how you do it. I think they had

1153
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 1: a huge opportunity. The part of it still there was

1154
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 1: to my wish list was Jenkins and Wagner. If I

1155
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 1: think if they would have grabbed those two. Still need

1156
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 1: a linebacker, still need a linebacker. But how much I

1157
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:22,439
Speaker 1: was reading this right, I think we're twenty six under

1158
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 1: how much you need for a draft tennish? Yeah, so

1159
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: you still have an opportunity to sign somebody for about fifteen. Yeah,

1160
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 1: you can make fifteen a year. Yeah, you could do that,

1161
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 1: but you only have fifty six guys under contract right now.

1162
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: Normally you need a lot more than that. So they're

1163
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 1: gonna okay, nine draft picks and twelve fifteen. How much

1164
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: does that number come up to? Huh? How much does

1165
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 1: that number come up to normally? Eighty? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah,

1166
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:53,439
Speaker 1: So and you got a long way to go there.

1167
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 1: And if you're gonna sign everybody and find find space

1168
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 1: for everybody, you still need a kicker. You still need

1169
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 1: a punch. Yeah, it's a lot, it's a lot still

1170
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 1: to be desired. But I go back to what I've

1171
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 1: been saying. I'm gonna say this all the way to

1172
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: training camps. It's who's getting on the bus with Micah.

1173
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 1: I don't care about nothing else. Give me ten guys

1174
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 1: to get on the bus with Michael. That's it. I mean,

1175
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 1: we know what we have in the buzuka, and if

1176
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 1: anything is traveling, we're taking a big case with us.

1177
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 1: Why is Dak not the one driving the bus? No, no, no, no, no,

1178
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 1: I'm talking about for the defense. Okay, Okay, I'm just

1179
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 1: I thought you were talking about in general. I was

1180
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 1: just wondering, what about the offense. He's driving the bus

1181
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 1: on offense? Oh rain to call the prescott. Okay, just

1182
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 1: let I didn't no question about him. That's a good question.

1183
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 1: That's gonna be the biggest question. Now who getting on

1184
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 1: the bus? See he's on the bus, on the bus,

1185
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 1: on the bus, hey, Michael, gallup that bus. It's a

1186
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 1: lot of guys. Kyn Smith's still on the bus. He's

1187
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 1: there for now. Yeah, what going on there? Okay? What

1188
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: he's big? Still on the bus a couple of years? Okay,

1189
00:58:55,880 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I think they're gonta something right news. Oh man,

1190
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 1: what a what a way to end the show. Yeah no,

1191
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 1: I'm not jumping out of that cake, not just yet.

1192
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 1: But we'll talk about it. Maybe a couple of years

1193
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 1: down the line. That's gonna do it for us here

1194
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: on talking Cowboys. Glad you've been with us here over

1195
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 1: the last hour. We will be back next Tuesday as

1196
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 1: we continue to wrap up free agency and talk about

1197
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 1: what's going on. Gotta wait a week with wait a week,

1198
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 1: Wait a week. They get to see each other and talking. Yeah,

1199
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 1: it's all good. It's a good man and lunch about.

1200
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 1: Me and Rob are about to have lunch together. It's

1201
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 1: gonna be great. Yeah for Chris Beam, Rob Phillips, Well,

1202
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 1: I just got rejected is a stand back. Heck my Harrison,

1203
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 1: I'm Kyle Yeoman's I'm eating alone today. We'll see you

1204
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