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Speaker 2: It's Hollywood, it's books, it's gossip.

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Speaker 1: I'm shook. It's memoir, It's Martini.

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Speaker 2: Celebrity poof Club.

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Speaker 1: Come read it while it's hot.

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Speaker 2: Celebrity poof Club.

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Speaker 1: Celebrity Book Club.

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Speaker 1: Hey, best friend.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back, Welcome back. How are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing well. I'm easing into this dry January like many.

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Speaker 2: Of us, so listeners, recording is crazy, and you guys

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Speaker 2: And this is actually our first week back to in janusy.

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Speaker 1: This is our first episode recorded in twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 1: so a lot's changed. We've been into a lot of

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Speaker 2: We've been in a lot of places spiritually, emotionally.

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Speaker 1: I'm on day three of my dry January.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm on day three two and I will.

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Speaker 2: You're doing the dry eleven because as a cutoff for

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Speaker 2: Our dear friend Ellen, who accused us of not mentioning

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Speaker 2: Well, and he realizes, like I think a little bit,

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Speaker 1: how do I avoid being just like a witty a

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Speaker 1: witty gay, A witty gay guy who dies at fifty

439
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Speaker 1: I think.

440
00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:01,119
Speaker 2: We know it's to become an unsuccessful prospector who eats

441
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:02,159
Speaker 2: beans and berries.

442
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:03,680
Speaker 1: I need to go in the bean and berry die

443
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 1: and moves to New Mexico.

444
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, stat, And you know I love.

445
00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 1: The New Mexican landscape of someone who lived there working

446
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:09,679
Speaker 1: in politics.

447
00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,399
Speaker 2: You did reading a Christian science monitor, and I've always

448
00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:12,679
Speaker 2: wanted to.

449
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 1: Go to New Mexico. It's gorgeous. Honestly, it looks like

450
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,439
Speaker 1: the moon. I mean, it's just the colors are so vivid,

451
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:21,520
Speaker 1: the purple of the sunsets, the red of the dirt,

452
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,120
Speaker 1: and it goes on in every direction.

453
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 2: You know. When Val finally meets his ex.

454
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Speaker 1: Wife, Joanne Wally, who's pretty of.

455
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Speaker 2: His children in British, they moved to this like beautiful

456
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Speaker 2: ranch in New Mexico, and he literally says, this is

457
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Speaker 2: some me. He goes, I was buying acres of land

458
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Speaker 2: in New Mexico like they were a vintage T shirt.

459
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 1: And then of course he does get into financial trouble later.

460
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:52,720
Speaker 2: Right where he has to sell. But this is also

461
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,359
Speaker 2: so like passionate heterosexual man of him when he talks

462
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,159
Speaker 2: about they have this deal, which I do think is

463
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Speaker 2: kind of smart for Hollywood couples, because he says about

464
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 2: Hollywood romances, he's like, our main thing is careers. No

465
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 2: matter how much you love someone, it's role first. So

466
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:12,879
Speaker 2: basically they would his wife, they would never take another

467
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 2: role while someone else was in a movie. They plan

468
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 2: to beat together for each film. But then but of

469
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 2: course she gets a role and it's an amazing role,

470
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 2: and it's while he's flamming the doors and he's like,

471
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Speaker 2: don't go, and then like she does go, and he

472
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 2: was like that was the beginning to the end. But

473
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Speaker 2: then they have two.

474
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Speaker 1: Kids and then they make the bad decision to get

475
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Speaker 1: divorced in New Mexico instead of California. California has no

476
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Speaker 1: fault divorce. They split the assets fifty to fifty, as

477
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Speaker 1: we all know form the Class People magazine for the

478
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Speaker 1: past twenty years. But in New Mexico it's like you

479
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,439
Speaker 1: divide the assets like based on the whole time together

480
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Speaker 1: and the whole time while you're divorced.

481
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you have to find the date of separation

482
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Speaker 2: and what you made.

483
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,399
Speaker 1: And it's like really in the interest of the lawyers

484
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Speaker 1: to keep the drag on the divorce. The divorce strikes

485
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 1: out for years and at one point it's just like

486
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Speaker 1: we could be giving a less money to or kids

487
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 1: one day, Bernie and giving it all the lawyers anyway,

488
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 1: more less rays get divorced in California.

489
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Speaker 2: He says this thing about childbirth, which I was like,

490
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 2: it's just so actor where he was like, I think

491
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 2: he was a little jealous of how the pay experience

492
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 2: and the labor ecstasy, all that goes in and he

493
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 2: was like, when my wife gave birth, I asked for

494
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:22,919
Speaker 2: a bed and they said no one's ever asked for

495
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 2: that before. And he was like, I'm still striving to

496
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 2: be the best father I can be. But like he

497
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 2: couldn't give birth. The jealousy, the one thing a man

498
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 2: can't do. Yeah, makes you think.

499
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 1: Makes you really really things I have literally zero desire

500
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 1: to do. Push a fucking child out. I'm good. But

501
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 1: your hips also the whole thing. I mean, every time

502
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: I see like a pregnant friend, I'm always just like,

503
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 1: it's so weird, what's going on in there? It's crazy,

504
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 1: Like I feel gross after like eating too much, Like

505
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 1: i hate feeling like so bloated. I'm just like to have.

506
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,879
Speaker 2: A like I think you feel hungrier though you.

507
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: Feel inside of you sloshing around.

508
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm good.

509
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 1: Also, okay, we could back it up for a second.

510
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,440
Speaker 1: Yes to his childhood. So his parents are, they're kind

511
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: of there, They're kind of not. The mom is like

512
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 1: a little bit distant. Mom not suffer from Migraine's challenge.

513
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 2: Curiously, he's like dad is like a businessman who always

514
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 2: had a new Cadillac. But he's like, you know, he

515
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 2: never gave a dollar to the boys.

516
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, But then he's like, then my dad was paying

517
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,239
Speaker 1: for my rent of my apartment overlooking Central Park when

518
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:38,400
Speaker 1: I was at Julliard.

519
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:42,719
Speaker 2: Really dramatic about his childhood allowance. He's like, Daddy wouldn't

520
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 2: even give us three tennis balls if they cost a dollar,

521
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 2: but like he did pay for Juilliard, and like I

522
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 2: had a studio in Central Park and he's like.

523
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 1: But then, like Daddy wouldn't pay for rent like heat sometimes,

524
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 1: and I got hypothermia because I was like shivering in

525
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:58,919
Speaker 1: my Central Park apartment. It's kind of like you're just

526
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,400
Speaker 1: being dramatic, like being so it's like you know when

527
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,479
Speaker 1: you see Crestpunks and you're kind of just like you

528
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 1: could just go home to your parents' house in like

529
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: Montecito right now, but you're deciding to do this, and

530
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 1: that's fine and it's a choice, but it's a little like.

531
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 2: You No, it's kind of like he sounds just like

532
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 2: a dad being like coupon thrifty.

533
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

534
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 2: So, something really tragic that defines his life happens where

535
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 2: when he is visiting Julliard with his mom and stepdad,

536
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 2: his other brother calls and says the youngest brother has

537
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 2: had a seizure in a jacuzzi, which is.

538
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: So Matthew Perry. Yeah, it's literally like the universe is

539
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: sending us so many signs like stay out of hot tubs.

540
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Speaker 2: I don't think I'm ever purchasing. I don't want the lawsuits.

541
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. So this was like the haunting tragedy that I

542
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 1: think did give him this sort of frankly, the drama

543
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 1: that he was looking for and the pain that he needed.

544
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 1: He needed the tragedy to have something to pull from

545
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 1: when you're doing the Meisner and Stanislovsky and the rest

546
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,640
Speaker 1: of it, because he you know, he craves drama. He's

547
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 1: a ham as he calls it.

548
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 2: No what I was seeing those photos of him in

549
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 2: the book, you know, stretched out shirtless. Yeah, it was

550
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 2: honestly making me want to take an acting class and

551
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 2: just be pushed, push cheer to the limit.

552
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:19,439
Speaker 1: But the whole time he portrays himself as a real artist.

553
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,360
Speaker 1: This is where he gets into the actor's actor kind

554
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 1: of idea. So like he's doing a burger king commercial

555
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: when he's like seventeen or something, and he walks off

556
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: the set of the commercial. The main job was to

557
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 1: act like I was enjoying gobbling up the burger. Problem was,

558
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 1: I wasn't the thing tasted like cardboard. The director kept

559
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 1: telling me to put my heart into it. I couldn't.

560
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 1: I didn't. I walked off the set and never appeared

561
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: in the commercial and never got paid my first active

562
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 1: artistic integrity.

563
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 2: That bar was wild. I mean, I think you have

564
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 2: to be, you know, born with that brazen actor an

565
00:27:55,880 --> 00:28:00,400
Speaker 2: actress pretentiousness, and I like, well the food style list

566
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 2: prop burger wasn't delicious, So you know, I'm gonna walk

567
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 2: off acting.

568
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: I wish that I could do that, but I just

569
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: feel like that ship has really already sailed for me

570
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: say that.

571
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 2: But then it's like we're always like yeah, if you

572
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 2: like put us in a Hilton ad and NAPA, we'd

573
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 2: be like fairness.

574
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. I'm saying the ship is sailed.

575
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: Like I can't convincingly be on a set and be

576
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: like fuck this Rowman and then like another good one

577
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: will come along. It's kind of just like it's over

578
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 1: for me. Bitch yourselves so old.

579
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 2: No, your soul is gone, your soul has gone to shop.

580
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 1: I've already done ads for a huge casino, an amazing app.

581
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: And then he goes to Juilliard and like he's kind

582
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: of like County to the teachers, and he's just like

583
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: My thing at Juilliard was that I was gonna do

584
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: my own thing no matter what. And I lie on

585
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: the stage like before we're hosting. They say get up, man,

586
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: and I'd say, I'm just taking my space. But this

587
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: is actually interesting because in high school, my drama teacher,

588
00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,040
Speaker 1: Mac Limberg, who was one of my big mentors, he

589
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: always said, like, find some time, you know, before the

590
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: show goes up, in the months we're doing rehearsals, find

591
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: some time to come in here on your own. Just

592
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: spend little time.

593
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:12,959
Speaker 2: In the space with the space.

594
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: I actually thought, I like, run your fingers along the wall.

595
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 2: Because I thought of Mark Linburg reading this book, because

596
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 2: the whole thing is about like in high school. He's like,

597
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 2: you're gonna have that acting teacher that changes your life.

598
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 2: Oh and Mark Linberg who taught you famous actor my sister.

599
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 2: I feel like you guys were so like he was Godlike.

600
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 2: Everyone was just like Mark.

601
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: It was just Mark. It was Mark's world. We were

602
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: just living in a sweetheart. He really was, he said,

603
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: one of the most incredible and he had so many

604
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: incredible lines that sare we've ever won one. One of

605
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 1: them was the most exciting thing in theater. It is

606
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: the anticipation of touch, of course.

607
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 2: Right, So do you take time a day before Bowery

608
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 2: Ballroom walking alone?

609
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: I do actually in this studio.

610
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 2: Okay, you come the day before.

611
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I come in here on Mondays. They have all hands.

612
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: I heeart meeting in the other room, and I just

613
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: kind of I waltz in. I make a little tea.

614
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: I say, hey, guys, it's being I'm doing my walkthrough.

615
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,479
Speaker 1: And then I just lie down on top of this

616
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: huge sound mixer.

617
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 2: You're just stroking the buttons, pressing it on off, on off.

618
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: I fondle all the XLR cables. I smell them to

619
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: really know what it smells like them. Sometimes I strangle

620
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: myself with the headphone cord and jack off.

621
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Speaker 2: Which is something. Vala is a little conservative, even though

622
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 2: like there are so many sex scenes he's in.

623
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: He turns down blue velvet yes, because he's like, it's

624
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:40,719
Speaker 1: actually too sexy.

625
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 2: No, And he says in it in this whole thing

626
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 2: with David Lynch, he's like, sorry, Dave, hope you meet

627
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 2: another chance the other day and it's like blue velvet

628
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 2: an amazing film, probably more amazing than some of the

629
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 2: other random movies he did.

630
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: I mean, he does admit that Batman Fever is so bad.

631
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: It's good can be like, yeah, it's kind of a

632
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: camp classic. It's because that one's the one that like

633
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: Uma Thurman is Poison ivy and it's Jim Carrey.

634
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 2: Is car which is really fun.

635
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: That really sad anecdote. Apparently the filming of that movie

636
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: was so like off and sad because Jim Carrey's dad

637
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: had just died. At the funeral, one of his own

638
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: family members came up to with a headshot asking for

639
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: an autograph.

640
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 2: That was so sad. And then he goes on this

641
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 2: really sad thing about which is also so actor about

642
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 2: like how like his son doesn't believe that he's Batman

643
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 2: and he has this really which is again being so man.

644
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 2: This real philosophical sorry philosophical whatever think about Batman, and

645
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 2: it's like, no one wants to see you be Batman.

646
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 2: Once you become Batman, it's like you're Batman, but you're

647
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 2: five year old. You're actually ruining it if you're like

648
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 2: I play Batman.

649
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, like if my kid loves Star Wars, I don't

650
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: think I would accept a role in a Star Wars film.

651
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's really and that's so fucking brave.

652
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 2: A wait, sorry, you just dropped that. Really you would

653
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 2: not accept a.

654
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: Role martyr to the Boots even though I love Star Wars.

655
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 2: Wow, I want to talk about this actor's moment between

656
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 2: him and another actor of the time in Top Gun. Mmm.

657
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 2: I don't think Valkim was like known for partying at

658
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 2: all really, but like he's more of the wild one

659
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 2: and Tom Cruise would just like learn his lines every

660
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 2: single night, and like Val Kilmer would like kind of

661
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 2: like take out all the rest of the guys and

662
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 2: they would drive around and do wheelies.

663
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Speaker 1: The description of Tom Cruise is so similar to the

664
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Speaker 1: description of Tom. I think in Rob who was in

665
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: The Outsiders with him, which Volcum wore audition boy didn't

666
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: get or turn out to be something else or whatever,

667
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: and he was like, I think that roll went to

668
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: Rob Lowe as somebody who knows, Tom refrained from revelry

669
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: with good reason. From day one. He was laser focused

670
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: on a singular goal to become the greatest action history

671
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: hero and history of film. He was upnight learning lines.

672
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: He spent every week in hour affecting his stunts. His

673
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: dedication was admirable and it's very just like, yeah, so

674
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: Tom is just an insane machine. Yeah, And it kind

675
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: of made me think, circling back to his sort of campiness,

676
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: it's almost like why Tom Cruise became a much more

677
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 1: successful action star than Val Kilmer because he says The

678
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: Saint he thinks paved the way for Mission Impossible, right, which,

679
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: by the way, but like the Saint is actually so

680
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,239
Speaker 1: gay and the characters he plays in it are like

681
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: too fun, And I think that like America wants a

682
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: closeted man like Tom Cruise more than they want like

683
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: actors strake guy like Val Kilmer, like Valcilmer's sexuality is

684
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: actually a little bit two at the surface.

685
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 2: I think it's more that Valclimer was such a heart

686
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 2: throw and such a huge guy in the nineties. But

687
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 2: maybe why he is not like carried over to like

688
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 2: now is because he's not an actional star. He was

689
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 2: a little more of this actor's actor heart throw, but

690
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 2: he didn't I guess.

691
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: Maybe not as physical also in terms of like the stunts.

692
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 2: And like he didn't choose as many like action movies.

693
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tom cruise has being like I'm going to learn

694
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: how to become like a motorcycle driver for three.

695
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 2: Years just trying to do I'm gonna be like I

696
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 2: have to like climb my building. And right now Cumber

697
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 2: is more just like I'm gonna do this movie in England,

698
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 2: which he says with like al Pacino, because I just

699
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 2: want to act with al Pacino, right al.

700
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: Alan Alan Bob Alan Bob. When he does heat with Alan.

701
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 2: Bob and he turns down doing like a third Batman,

702
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 2: and his manager is like.

703
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: Why man, why, He's like, because I want to be

704
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 1: able to call Alan Bob Alan Bob for the rest

705
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 1: of my life.

706
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 2: I mean that would be so me just like yeah, man,

707
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 2: I'll do whatever what up.

708
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: Out And he says that Ol paints like Pollock, Bob paints.

709
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 2: Like for me, that was insane. He's like, be on

710
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,760
Speaker 2: set with Bob, it's like for me, or he builds bocks.

711
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: He's like at the end they achieved the same thing.

712
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 1: And which is kind of.

713
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 2: Funny because it is like I'm thinking about Robert Geniro

714
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 2: and obviously I love Roberterio, but like.

715
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: You don't think of him as so like methodical.

716
00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 2: I guess he is methodical, but like a lot of

717
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 2: the roles are pretty similar to me.

718
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: I'm kind of just like he's just being like I'm like.

719
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,839
Speaker 2: Analyzed that to meet the fockers, Like it's kind of

720
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 2: like similar karrot.

721
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 1: Wait, are you going to read the thing from from Tom?

722
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 2: Yeah? You know, Tom Cruise foul. They're not getting long,

723
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 2: so he tries to like raz Tom Cruise by doing

724
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 2: a prank. My favorite moment between us was a small

725
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 2: prank in which I gave him an extremely expensive bottle

726
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,320
Speaker 2: of champagne but placed in the middle of the giant

727
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 2: field and made him follow scavenger hunt style clues to

728
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 2: find it. I hid behind a bleacher and watched him

729
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 2: love the giant crate to his motorcycle. He never did

730
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 2: thank me for the iceman style bit. I thought it

731
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 2: would break the ice, but I guess the ice was

732
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 2: just right.

733
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: So awkward just doing a full scavenger hunt to find champagne.

734
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, I love that idea.

735
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 2: I'm doing that to you.

736
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: Please do that wedding. But it's like, obviously it's like

737
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,280
Speaker 1: Tom Cruise does not drink and he's.

738
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 2: Not finding like funny that He's just like Okay, here's

739
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 2: a crap. But he's also being so dutiful and weird

740
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 2: and being like I'm putting it on my motorcycle.

741
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's definitely being dutiful and weird about the Champagne

742
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: scavenger hunt and was like, wow, that was so cool.

743
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: It's even weirder that he just doesn't even like mention it,

744
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: Like he completes the Scaffronger hunt and then just never

745
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: says anything to valclm.

746
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 2: Do you think he was horny for vowl? Well? And

747
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 2: Val says.

748
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: Angry jacking off in the trip.

749
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 2: Which I never even thought about that, which is such

750
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 2: a like kind of nineties movie little trivia. He says

751
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 2: that he invented like the type of crew cut he

752
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 2: has on top gun and like everyone was getting a

753
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 2: vent which like that was a popular haircut in the nineties,

754
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 2: basically like kind of like super puffy but spiky on top. Yeah,

755
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 2: and short of the sides, I'm like, did you.

756
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the difference between his in a

757
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 1: typical jar head as we call him, it's a military

758
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: term when you have like a buzz cut, Yeah, and

759
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: as a veteran, but I think his is like higher

760
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: it's a flat top. It's more of a flat top.

761
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: It's little more urban influence.

762
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 2: Right, he's saying. Here he goes again appropriate.

763
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: Appropriating, which is so fat stressed prospector stuff.

764
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 2: We're canceling shund We run through like all of his

765
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 2: girlfriends for a moment.

766
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:10,839
Speaker 1: We need to talk about okay, because we haven't even

767
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: talked about Cindy Crawford's simple Salmon.

768
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:14,799
Speaker 2: Her simple savorbel bum home.

769
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 1: Wait, so he dates share Share. He dates Ellen Barkin.

770
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 2: Who he's like, is so sexy and like hilarious and

771
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 2: if anyone like ever gets the chance to touch Ellen

772
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 2: Barkin's hair, do it.

773
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,959
Speaker 1: He's really got a thing for older women. He loves

774
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: Cidy Crawford. Wait, did you see the pick of him?

775
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 2: Yes? No, there rip I was so Cindy is in

776
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 2: a huge black north face, white straight leg jeans. Then

777
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 2: he is in dark jeans, white sweater, north face.

778
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: Such a big puffer, north faced puffer. He's wearing like

779
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: low top, like black leather shoes. She's wearing kind of

780
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: like little leather clogs and like black. She kind of

781
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 1: looks exactly like Kyagarbar. She's got these fun sunglasses, hair

782
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: pulled up they're in Moscow. He's wearing frameless guits.

783
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 2: So I was dying at the frameless And this is

784
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 2: why I'm always so mad about my prescription, because I

785
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 2: can't do frame.

786
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,720
Speaker 1: Frame with those coke bottles. Yeah, it has to be well, Okay,

787
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: maybe this is your business. You figure out a way

788
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: for people insane eyesight to be able to have frameless glasses.

789
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: Develop the technology, like, how can that technology exist? There

790
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: is we can put a man on the mound.

791
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 2: There is finning technology, because I get that with my

792
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 2: normal glasses.

793
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: But that's just to get it doesn't thin enough. We

794
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: need a soundpic for the Okay. So he's dating Cindy Crawford. Oh,

795
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: and then also he dates Daryl Hannah and each woman

796
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 1: he like days. He's like, she was light, she was love.

797
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 2: Like I've never loved someone more. She was the most

798
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,440
Speaker 2: beautiful person on earth. Like she broke my heart, but

799
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 2: I broke her heart. But so I feel like, man as,

800
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 2: I'm sure there actually was a dramatic breakup. And he's

801
00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 2: always like, actually, don't know how things und.

802
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 1: He's always like, if you had to ask me to

803
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: pinpoint a moment, I don't think I could tell you

804
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: I have nothing but regrets over what happened and the

805
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: choices that were made. But I actually don't know.

806
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 2: What and I would do anything to get her back,

807
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 2: But it's choices.

808
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: Okay, this part's insane. No, this is a very I'm

809
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: kind of obsessed with. My marriage was dead, but my

810
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 1: court of Cindy craft it was live. We'd met at

811
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: a couple of parties. We flirted, we danced, we joked,

812
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 1: we exchanged numbers rather than wax rapsodic. Let me present

813
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: a bullet point summary of her booguiley nature. And this

814
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: is the only time in the book where there's bullet points.

815
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: Cindy is America. Sidney is a happy person who loves

816
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: her family deeply. She's an original who recreated her industry,

817
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: which was at times cool and perverse, and she did

818
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,800
Speaker 1: it with grace and without finger pointing, Like this is sold.

819
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 2: So what do you mean she did without finger pointing?

820
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 1: I feel like he's referencing somebody else who like did

821
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: finger point Okay, and he's like subtly tearing down. I

822
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: don't know Naomi or Christy liked one of them, kind.

823
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 2: Of like Christie Charlie did Christy Charlie didn't Sydney our

824
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 2: friends right.

825
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: Maybe she's a natural athlete and loves glorious things that

826
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 1: a man just can't get enough of. She loves to cook,

827
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: and still one of my favorite meals of my entire

828
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,760
Speaker 1: life is a simple salmon dish that after our Africa

829
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 1: sojourn she prepared at her Malibu beach.

830
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,760
Speaker 2: House this period period.

831
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: Simple simple salmon that's.

832
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 2: Going on our cookbook.

833
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 1: Okay, what do we think is?

834
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 2: I know I was imagining her cooking it. It's kind

835
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 2: of like when Carrie made salmon was for bag and

836
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 2: then just like that. I honestly think it was so pepper, salt,

837
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 2: but I kind of think was involved.

838
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: Okay. I actually was thinking that there was an Asian

839
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: element because it's like the nineties. Yeah, and so she

840
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: had that it's actually just like soy sauce and salt

841
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: and pepper, and she isn't being so lemon and olive oil.

842
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 2: No. I think it was like soy sauce a little

843
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 2: bit of me.

844
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: So she stirs you cofer kind of like hasn't heard

845
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: of lemon in this way?

846
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 2: Little glaze.

847
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 1: But then pan I had this thought and I was like, oh,

848
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: what if it's honey mustard.

849
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 2: No, you're out for gooddamn mind.

850
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: You don't think that after a long sojourn in the

851
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: Sarngetti with Valcoum, where you go back to Malibu and

852
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: just put a little bit of honey mustard on salmon, I.

853
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 2: Think she's being more basic and was craving like Soush.

854
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: I guess because I feel like Sugar was in the enemy.

855
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 1: Yet you know what I mean, this is the nineties,

856
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: Sugar was not also talk about how.

857
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 2: Like Share discovered Nobu.

858
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, waiting how was like Nobu Matsuhisha was like the

859
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: only restaurant in La where you couldn't hear people gossiping

860
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 1: because it was so loud, and Nobu was doing was

861
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:43,919
Speaker 1: so different.

862
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 2: So different. So I kind of think, like you think

863
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 2: it's salt, yeah and a little bit so or it

864
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 2: honestly could have just been like olive oil salt.

865
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: I was just thinking obviously with Africa, Oh so he's

866
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: very printerious celebrity not call Africa the continent that changed

867
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: my life? Challenge Sharon Stone Prince Terry Gabriel Union on

868
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: that like special about turning fifty that I haven't seen,

869
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: but I'm always getting adds on Roku and it's her

870
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: just being like Africa is mother and it's just like literally,

871
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: rich person, I'll go to Africa and see one elephant

872
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 1: and like be completely changed forever and welcomer.

873
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 2: Also his version of like guy on a date going

874
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 2: I want to take you somewhere, and they taken them

875
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,280
Speaker 2: to like a dive bars him being Africa.

876
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 1: Yeah. When him and Cindy break up, part of it

877
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: is because their lives are too demanding, especially her modeling career.

878
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,720
Speaker 1: She scheduled herself down to the quarter hour. She would say, Okay,

879
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 1: Brazil on Monday, France on Wednesday, and then I'll spend

880
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: the weekend with you.

881
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with that. And then Zilla on Monday, brazila Monday,

882
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 2: Japan Tuesday, and he was like do you ever just

883
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 2: take a break? And then this is so model. I

884
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 2: feel like his slight roast of her. He goes and

885
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,959
Speaker 2: then she put her hands around her chin to think

886
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 2: like a cartoon character, and it's like that is a

887
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 2: model being like let me think thinking pose kind of

888
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 2: like hmm oh yeah, I imagine that kind of like

889
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 2: stroking like thing.

890
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: That's very model, Just like when they're doing their weekly thinking, yeah,

891
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: they do. They do a little bit of chin stroking.

892
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 2: And then he's like again it ended. I actually don't

893
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 2: know why because she has an amazing career. And then

894
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 2: he's like, but she's happy now, and sure, I'm happy

895
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:28,320
Speaker 2: for her, and it's like, wow, must be sad. Okay

896
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 2: Carly Simon, oh yeah, who? He never kisses. He's like,

897
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,399
Speaker 2: I think she stopped talking to me because she knew

898
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 2: I was too obsessed with her.

899
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 1: I think she was being like you little.

900
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 2: Boy, yeah, and then she'd play him a song.

901
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. It was like she knew she had too much

902
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: like power for him.

903
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 2: I wasn't sexy to her.

904
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: I mean Carly Simon, as you know, is a home wrecker, absolutely,

905
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 1: and we'll talk about that on the VIP lounge. But

906
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,760
Speaker 1: I do have a nantucket gossip about her home wrecking, okay,

907
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: right before we segment's just the one other thing that

908
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: is completely insane is when he wants to sell his

909
00:43:58,120 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 1: ranch because he's like lots of money and he ended

910
00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:01,760
Speaker 1: up having to pay a lot of his dad's debts.

911
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: He calls up none other than Hank Paulson, former head

912
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 1: of Goldman Sachston, Secretary of Treasury under George W. Bush.

913
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: You may remember the infamous bailout of the crash of

914
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,240
Speaker 1: two does and eight that was engineered by Hank Paulson.

915
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: I was just like what he saw what was coming.

916
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: I don't want to impinge on our friendship. I told

917
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: him half year into the recession, but I need financial advice,

918
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: That's all I had to say. You're looking for a

919
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: buyer for your wildlife preserve, aren't you asked Haank your wildlife.

920
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: I'm just like, he just doesn't exc He's like, yeah,

921
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: so I was friends with former secretary of the friend

922
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: and then Hank Paulson tells him the dead serious truth.

923
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,720
Speaker 1: Even though the ranches were thirty mil, take the offer

924
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: for fifteen. You're not gonna get any better. He was like,

925
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: our old world is over. Take the fifteen and run. Wow.

926
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 2: Sometimes you just got to take the fifteen and.

927
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: Run sell it, honey.

928
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 2: The world of segments?

929
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: Man, how does he live live? How does he eat?

930
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 2: What does she wear?

931
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: Okay? How does he live? Can I preface this by

932
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 1: reading his description of Daryl Hannah's ranch and tell your ride.

933
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,399
Speaker 1: I want to remember the morning we awoke in her

934
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 1: exquisitely refurbished barn and tell your ride. Leaning against a

935
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: wall was a remarkable piece of art, a long, wide

936
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 1: plank of wood. I saw it as a daring piece

937
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,359
Speaker 1: of avant garde sculpture. I had to know the name

938
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: of the sculptor. Daryl laughed and said, it's just my snowboard.

939
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 2: His houseman is probably so epic in so many collections.

940
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:50,240
Speaker 1: It's fucking epic.

941
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 2: It's boards, it's paintings, it's old coins, it's arrowheads.

942
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: It's arrowheads from New Mexico. But it's pretty artiste. And

943
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: I think it is like a fab min's entry house

944
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: that's like pretty modern in concrete and.

945
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 2: Well, because now he lives in the Boo and the Boo, I.

946
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: Think it's like a big concrete house in Yes, I

947
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: think that art is leaning.

948
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:12,280
Speaker 2: The wood is deep.

949
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: He knows artists, he has a gallery now. I think

950
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: that the couches are definitely like sinkable sinkable.

951
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 2: But different tapestries over them.

952
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: I don't think there's tapestries.

953
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 2: And I think there's like crazy throat blank I mean,

954
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 2: he loves New Mexico.

955
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,959
Speaker 1: Okay, there's one couch that has other coutches that don't

956
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: you know, what I mean totally. But it's that mid

957
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 1: century like leather brown couch.

958
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 2: Yes, we're seeing the same couch that's like Italian mid

959
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 2: century where it.

960
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 1: Curves over the arm of the couch. He didn't come

961
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: back into it, you know, I'm.

962
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 2: Talking about ye curving leather.

963
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, where it's like a flap almost like the arm

964
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: is like a flap that comes out.

965
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 2: Yes, And I think it's like sculptures that jut out.

966
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:51,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a plinth or two in there.

967
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 2: I could see him low bed low low bed with

968
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 2: little books. He's reading Christian Science Bible or whatever.

969
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: Winter if he subscribes to the Christian Science Monitor. No,

970
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: I guess he like doesn't because it's kind of too

971
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 1: much record player.

972
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 2: Dude. He's always like.

973
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: My dad didn't known vinyl, but I loved.

974
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 2: It, Vinyl, arrowheads, deep sculptural moments. And then just like

975
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 2: beautiful photos of his children.

976
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think there's like a gorgeous Okay, here's do

977
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: you think there's like a really huge, blown up, like

978
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: black and white photo of Mercedes as a baby. Yes,

979
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 1: Like I think it's like photos of kids as babies.

980
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 2: But and then like smaller, really current photos of him

981
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 2: and the kids.

982
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, hyper current photos from life.

983
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,359
Speaker 2: And then he also said that his son collapsed with Giacopola,

984
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 2: So I think the house is packed with Giacopola's.

985
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: Natural son is also an actor and was in Palo Alto,

986
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: which I haven't seen.

987
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:51,359
Speaker 2: I also haven't seen that.

988
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: I feel like the Sun has kind of like son

989
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: of an actor career, where it's like he'll be and

990
00:47:55,880 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 1: daughter of a director movies, but like maybe not in

991
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: so many other things.

992
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 2: Well, he's collabing with daughter of a director, right, wine,

993
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 2: Because Giacopola makes.

994
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 1: Wine, they're also making a wine.

995
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 2: I feel like Geo Coppola sat in front of the

996
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 2: pod Sam like a natural wine once and she was

997
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 2: like it wasn't being She was like wine, it was

998
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 2: like Geo wine. And was it also a collab with

999
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:24,440
Speaker 2: Valcomer's son. I'm guessing that, like he is visiting her

1000
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 2: while she's.

1001
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, there probably is something going on there,

1002
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 1: and he's just being like, oh, that's an awesome like.

1003
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 2: Label for this, like Pinot, Grease, Granache, pet match. I

1004
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 2: feel like his style has got a little wonka.

1005
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: Like like tails and top.

1006
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 2: A little like big velvets.

1007
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: Always had rip.

1008
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 2: Yes, like like he is so GQ doing a thing

1009
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 2: being like nineties drip and it's like cam and like.

1010
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 1: But now it's more Brad Pitton. He's more like you're saying,

1011
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:02,479
Speaker 1: it's more long scarf like leather. He feels definitely into leather,

1012
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: like leather coats, Great American West. It's Swede like shackets,

1013
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:11,720
Speaker 1: it's swaye blazers. Do you think his daughter is getting

1014
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:16,399
Speaker 1: him like a belt from like coolven extor or even yeah.

1015
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 2: I feel like he's getting an Echo sweater for Christmas.

1016
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 1: Wow.

1017
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 2: And he's like, can I hardly speak? But he's like,

1018
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 2: this is beautiful?

1019
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: Is still out?

1020
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 2: I don't know. He says he sounds like Brando now interesting,

1021
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 2: So I think it's like gravelly yeah, after the throat cancer.

1022
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:35,839
Speaker 1: And that's also partly why he wrote the book, because

1023
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 1: he was like, this is my way of speaking, which

1024
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 1: is very It's beautiful. Keith McNally, who posts on Instagram

1025
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: all the time because I can't speak.

1026
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 2: At first, we're like, well, why is Keith McNally going

1027
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 2: all the way off an instant it's like, because he

1028
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:48,919
Speaker 2: can't speak, this.

1029
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 1: Is our communicates or what does he eat besides the

1030
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: simplest salmon.

1031
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 2: I mean I think he loves sushi. Simplest salmon.

1032
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 1: I mean he's boo vibes.

1033
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the boo Okay, it's like macro biotic to

1034
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 2: the boots. Yeah, but smooth dope fish yeah, black and

1035
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:12,800
Speaker 2: fish tacos. Maybe he gridles sometimes, but not that often.

1036
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 1: I don't think that his masculinity is so grill. I

1037
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 1: don't think he needs to grill, you know, he like

1038
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: he more wants to tell stories about like row the You.

1039
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 2: Don't think he like fires it up. And his kids

1040
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 2: are like, huh, Dad's grilling and they're a little weird that.

1041
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,399
Speaker 1: But the grill is so suburban, you know what I mean?

1042
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: And he like a surf house. Though I guess that

1043
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: he's more surf house now. But I just think that

1044
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:40,280
Speaker 1: the grill Dad is a suburban archetype and he mythologizes

1045
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: like the West and a more rural kind of ranch style.

1046
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 2: Okay, I guess I'm thinking like which.

1047
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: Is almost which is almost more indoor griddle?

1048
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 2: Do you think he's indoor griddle cast iron?

1049
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,760
Speaker 1: Yeah? And there's like such a massive hood in the kitchen.

1050
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 2: There's a huge hood and it's like a deep cedar

1051
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,720
Speaker 2: yea ego. Oh, I kind of actually do think he's

1052
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:02,959
Speaker 2: fridge drawers.

1053
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,280
Speaker 1: For sure, and it's hidden fridge.

1054
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, no hanging pots. And I think he like drinks,

1055
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 2: but it is like again, it's the natural w.

1056
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 1: Doesn't drink anymore. Well, he kind of says he's like

1057
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 1: proud that he never has been addicted to drugs.

1058
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 2: Around right, it's kind of wild.

1059
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: I'm like reading this and he's sober when he's like

1060
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: hanging out with all the top gun squad, that's what

1061
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,760
Speaker 1: he's getting wasted and he's like doing donuts in the streets.

1062
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 2: He's the brittany thing. He's actually crazy hyperactor guy who's

1063
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 2: not wasted. And everyone's like you're insane.

1064
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:34,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's like, I'm just weird.

1065
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 2: I'm just fucking weird. Who are you in the book?

1066
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to.

1067
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:42,240
Speaker 2: Be You're not the Republican giguy who dies of fifty

1068
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 2: four okay, because yeah, I don't know that didn't totally

1069
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:48,839
Speaker 2: call to me for you.

1070
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: I feel like, and you're not the gun tony lesbian

1071
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:57,359
Speaker 1: who rules New Mexico with an iron fest not.

1072
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 2: Or you Sindy Crawford being like I have Brazil on Monday.

1073
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 1: I mean the way she said that, I was being

1074
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,320
Speaker 1: like Puerto Rico on Thursday.

1075
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 2: And also the simple salmon is kind of just like

1076
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,839
Speaker 2: both of them being straight into Hollywood not eating like

1077
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 2: she probably doesn't make that salmon that often, and maybe

1078
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, I'm making my one salmon.

1079
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of am and I am so bumpling

1080
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: for me. Okay, I'm Sidney Crawford, thank you.

1081
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 2: And I am the producer for the Doors sobbing yeah

1082
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 2: at the studio. Being that you sound too much like

1083
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 2: Jim Man. I can't take it. Stop.

1084
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 1: It's bringing me back to the sixties because you are

1085
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: from the past.

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Speaker 2: I'm from the past. Yeah. Watching the Doors movie, I

1087
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 2: was like, damn, the sixties really were a time of

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00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 2: great change.

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Speaker 1: I give this book. I would say a solid three

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00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 1: point five, you know, fun.

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00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you kind of three point five, three six.

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00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 1: Find nineties films out of five.

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00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 2: Dates with Sharer out of five, Like it's a real

1094
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 2: Hollywood memoir. He really is like insane, this Hollywood actor way.

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00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 2: He gives a lot of tea.

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00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: You get a good sense of his personality. It's like

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00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,919
Speaker 1: a fun romp through his films. He doesn't have too

1098
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:26,359
Speaker 1: many films. You're like, oh, yeah, I think I understand

1099
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: his role, his contributions to the culture.

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00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 2: I forgot about that movie Married at First Sight where

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00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:36,160
Speaker 2: he goes blind at his marriage.

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00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I forgot about that movie too, And yet it's

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00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 1: really important to me because he's a massuse in.

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00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 2: That which is like defines her sexuality.

1105
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:46,919
Speaker 1: And she's a really stressed out like New.

1106
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:51,399
Speaker 2: York like executives, sunglasses, sheerlink coach.

1107
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:53,800
Speaker 1: She comes to get a massage at his like spot,

1108
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:57,319
Speaker 1: Kenny Ranch, and he starts like going in, and he's like,

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00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 1: how hard you want it? She's like, no, I need it,

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00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: I need it like so, and he starts going in

1111
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 1: and she starts sobbing on the table, and so he

1112
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 1: actually he starts going gentle and he just stops the massage.

1113
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: And then later she's like, oh, like what happened. He's like,

1114
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 1: I left to sleep there, like you went red out,

1115
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:16,879
Speaker 1: and I just like, I'm so jealous of.

1116
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 2: A like sobbing on a massage.

1117
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:20,879
Speaker 1: Sobbing on a table, like as if it were too hard,

1118
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 1: because honey, it's never hard enough.

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00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 2: Well, I guess you need WelCom or mine to missus.

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00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,320
Speaker 1: You, well, this movie is actually so good and insane

1121
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: and it's like four of us long, and he gets

1122
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: some experimental surgery to restore his sight, right, and then

1123
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: like they're walking to New York and he sees like

1124
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 1: a homeless person and like he's like staring at the

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00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 1: homeless person, and then you're serphno's just like we're not

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00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 1: supposed to see everything.

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00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 2: Okay, CBC Movie Club, we're all rewatching to watch that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but also The Saint is insanely good.

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00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:54,720
Speaker 2: Watch it, and so the Doors.

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00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,959
Speaker 1: So yeah, he's kind of an iconic actor and he's

1131
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 1: choosing movies that are really fun and he is making

1132
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 1: them more fun with his kind of deliriously camp heterosexual performances.

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00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:09,319
Speaker 2: All right, camp in camp pederosexuality. And I also do

1134
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,799
Speaker 2: want to watch like The Island of Doctor Moreau, even

1135
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:12,919
Speaker 2: though it was so panned, and I'm.

1136
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 1: Sure it's so three hours with Marlon Brando.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, club kids, thanks for welcoming us back after

1138
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:23,080
Speaker 2: we'd never left.

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00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,399
Speaker 1: It's so good to see you again, and we'll see

1140
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 1: as we'll see you soon, hey man. This episode was

1141
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 1: executive produced by Christina Everett. It was supervisingly produced. Can

1142
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: we even say that anymore? Who knows? By Abu Zafar

1143
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 1: the producer I mean, and this cat. She didn't want

1144
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: to give me the job, but I told her. I

1145
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 1: went right into her office and I said, listen, if

1146
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 1: you don't give this to me and double my pay,

1147
00:55:57,640 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 1: I'm walking out of here. You know I'm right for it.

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00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: That girl was Darby Masters, and what can I say?

1149
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 1: She's a fucking Master. The theme song was done by

1150
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 1: step Pholpes Host. What he has done is probably one

1151
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 1: of the only things that's ever made me crying from

1152
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 1: my daughter. When we originally came up with this idea,

1153
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,399
Speaker 1: it was in New Mexico, it was on my ranch.

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00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:25,280
Speaker 1: It was right before I sold it. It was Prologue Projects,

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00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 1: and you know, man like, we butted heads a lot,

1156
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 1: but I think at the end of the day we

1157
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 1: both saw eye to eyes that nothing mattered more in

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00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 1: the picture. I love this town and I want you

1159
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 1: to go to Patriot, the Compass, CBC, the Pod and

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00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 1: the subscribed. If I forgot anyone, man, that's on me.