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Speaker 1: Welcome back to all the smoke. Man. We got someone.

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Speaker 2: I'm really excited about this because I grew up a

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Speaker 2: forty nine Er fan. My dad grew up a Ram fan,

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Speaker 2: and this was the guy on the Rams. They had

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Speaker 2: the same hair too, Jack, and they both bald, and

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Speaker 2: they both and they both bald now Jackson, I don't

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Speaker 2: know if that, if that has anything to do, but

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Speaker 2: six time Pro bowler, five time first team All Pro,

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Speaker 2: theyre of the Year in eighty six offensive rookie and

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Speaker 2: eighty three single season record holder for twenty one hundred

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Speaker 2: and five yards, and he was a big back. Jack

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Speaker 2: six three two twenty real one. Welcome to the show,

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Speaker 2: the legendary Eric Dickerson. Man, I'm decided I had a time.

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Speaker 2: I don't really tell my dad too much. If he

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Speaker 2: catches the show, he catches the show. But Mike Tyson

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Speaker 2: and Eric Dickerson are his two favorite people. So I

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Speaker 2: told him, and he couldn't believe it. But so shout

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Speaker 2: out to Pops and again, man, thank you for being here.

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Speaker 1: I tell you hello.

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Speaker 2: Definitely, how's life? I know you play a lot of golf.

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Speaker 2: What's going on with you these days?

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Speaker 3: Look good man? Man, I'm trying to maintain b it's tulping.

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Speaker 3: You get old. I tell you, y'all find out one

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Speaker 3: day on the way it's good. I mean, I just

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Speaker 3: I just came over here from a thing I do

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Speaker 3: for the Rams with some kids, a little football camp.

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Speaker 3: I do a radio show during the football season, work

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Speaker 3: for the team. But you know, life is good. I mean,

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Speaker 3: especially still living in LA after all these years.

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Speaker 2: Last season sakwon Barkley, you had made some comments. Some

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Speaker 2: people say, hey, it's just a competitor and you some

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Speaker 2: people took it a different way. He was on the

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Speaker 2: heels of the rushing record, and you had some thoughts

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Speaker 2: on it.

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Speaker 1: As you kind of sit.

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Speaker 2: Here today, remove from the situation, how do you look

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Speaker 2: back on that experience.

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Speaker 3: It's funny people making these assumptions and saying things I

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Speaker 3: didn't say. So Shady McCoy said something I did not say.

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Speaker 3: Pac Man Jones said something I did not say. Matter

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Speaker 3: of fact, I kind of you know, I don't I

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Speaker 3: don't get on social media a lot, but I made

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Speaker 3: Super Bowl and I said, man, let me explain something to you. First,

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Speaker 3: of all records or records and I don't think anybody

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Speaker 3: wants their record broke.

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Speaker 1: Say I.

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Speaker 3: I would never hate on another running back. That's just

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Speaker 3: not me. I mean, I broke the record in nineteen

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Speaker 3: in fourteen games. I did in fifteen games, one extra game.

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Speaker 3: And I've always said that I always give him that

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Speaker 3: acknowledgement because he's my favorite player. That's why I played

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Speaker 3: the position running back. And I said, if you break

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Speaker 3: the record, he breaks it, do I want to break it?

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Speaker 1: No? I mean, I'm not excuse me, I'm not no bitch.

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Speaker 3: I'm not why. I love the guy that's gonna go like,

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Speaker 3: oh yeah, we're gonna be doing Chile. Don't break the record.

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Speaker 3: I've always said this, if somebody breaks my record, I

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Speaker 3: want to be my son. That's it, right, And if

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Speaker 3: I mean I said it was like it was like

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Speaker 3: hating I'm pulling for him because when he got to

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Speaker 3: this boy never reached his potential there, and when he

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Speaker 3: went to Philly, I say, finally he'll get a chance

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Speaker 3: happy for him. So see, that's just that's the misconception

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Speaker 3: of social media and people saying Steph, they really don't

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Speaker 3: know anything about because anybody know me. No, I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: and popular something, but it's the truth, and that's just

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Speaker 1: I love that. I'm glad you get a chance to

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Speaker 1: speak your truth. You mentioned O J.

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Speaker 2: Simpson arguably be one of the greatest running backs of

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Speaker 2: all time. Did you ever get a chance to meet him?

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Speaker 2: Did he ever mentor you in any kind of way?

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Speaker 1: Did I meet? That's my guy? Yeah, man, matter face.

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Speaker 3: After I first met OJ, when I came to California,

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Speaker 3: first time I have on the plane coming my recruiting

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Speaker 3: I want to say something. OJ said, I try to

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Speaker 3: and I walked he I say, I'm missus Simpson and

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Speaker 3: what you to ask her? Dickerson? I'm from Texas, seely Texas,

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Speaker 3: I said the recruiting I said, yes, sir, what position?

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Speaker 1: I say, running back? You're my favorite player.

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Speaker 3: Tell them I had two thoush and yards twice in

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Speaker 3: you know, he didn't remember we talked about it. But

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Speaker 3: you know, one of my favorite people, OJ, you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm not with the other other stuff. And I saw

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Speaker 1: The other stuff, you know, yeah, I'm not.

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Speaker 2: You played against a lotted a lot of loaded boxes.

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Speaker 2: Some people say you didn't play with the you know,

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Speaker 2: never got a chance to play with an elite quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Or even offense, and that sort when you look back

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Speaker 3: Well, you're right, I played against a lot of eight

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Speaker 3: let me tell you that. But six K block eight,

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Speaker 3: and I just can't.

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Speaker 1: You can't make up that excuse.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I was a big back, I was fast,

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Speaker 3: that's just the hand I was dealt.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: People said, oh, he didn't want a Super Bowl and

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Speaker 3: And he called me said, man, okay, sit man, I

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Speaker 3: I know, he said, Man, they didn't let that happen.

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Speaker 3: That's too much like right, and they want a super

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Speaker 3: Bowl that year. They didn't let it happen.

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Speaker 1: Said that Doug Walliams back there, Yeah, Doug was that.

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Speaker 2: Kind of like because you were obviously a superstar of

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Speaker 2: your time and but in today's game, stuper tars can

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Speaker 2: kind of dictate what the money is where they want

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Speaker 2: to go. Back then, you guys didn't really have that

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Speaker 3: It was stuck. Stuck, I mean stuck. Yeah, I understand.

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Speaker 3: When I came out, I was I was the second pick.

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Speaker 3: John was the first pick.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 3: I had a six hundred thousand dollars signing bonus. My

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Speaker 3: Saturday was one fifth d and I think John was

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Speaker 3: when I got traded, I had to give my signing

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Speaker 1: A signing box from them, and we had to pay

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Speaker 3: It was supposed to be a forgivable balloon. That's what

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Speaker 3: when I got traded and I probably could have fought.

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Speaker 2: It, but I was sold. But they traded you, they

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Speaker 2: I had I read I never heard no shit.

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Speaker 3: Like that, So I gave I had to give their

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Speaker 3: bad deal with the before the contract that it was.

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Speaker 3: The Rams were one of the cheapest team in the league.

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Speaker 3: I mean, but did I left playing for him?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Because I had a lot of guys on the team.

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Speaker 3: We were close knit football team. We had the offensive line,

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Speaker 3: uh that was second to one of the Redskins. We

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Speaker 3: didn't have a great quarterback, but we had to run

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Speaker 3: a game. And the thing was that we were gonna

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Speaker 3: couldn't stop it, you couldn't stop it.

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Speaker 2: And a January twenty twenty two interview with The New

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Speaker 1: Where are you at with that? Is that something that's Oh?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, man, of course, I mean I'm not the same guy.

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Speaker 3: I wasn't, like, you know, even after I retired, you know,

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Speaker 3: sad thing about this whole deal is that with the NFL,

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Speaker 3: and look, I love playing I just love playing football,

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Speaker 3: and the NFL makes you hate the NFL where they

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Speaker 3: treat the players, especially black players, like a lot of

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Speaker 3: you probably never heard you ever heard of race on me?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, is that they said that they raced on the

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Speaker 1: black rationed on us. Break that down though, because I

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Speaker 1: remember reading about that.

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Speaker 3: So what they'll do. What they'll say is, Okay, we

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Speaker 3: take the black player and white player. The white player

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Speaker 3: so if he comes down, the white players should get

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Speaker 1: Basically, he was already kind of dumb. And this wasn't

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Speaker 3: Oh, this was only this was like five years ago.

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Speaker 3: And they they said, the OI won't do it again.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's like when when we get hurt, you know,

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Speaker 3: many s that get denied. Give a great example, my

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Speaker 3: friend Christian a choir, we're just playing. I was teasing

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Speaker 3: and the race Norman thing came in saying that, well

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Speaker 3: don't understand. I was teaching, I said, I was teaving.

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Speaker 3: I said, maybe they're right, but but then that's just

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 1: But to see that kind.

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Speaker 3: You said, what's your pension? I said, Man, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: That's it. And it is not your family or nobody else.

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Speaker 3: To good Pincher, you got to play four years and

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Speaker 3: I say horrible for us, oh man, it's it's seven

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Speaker 4: Chris Pon Cowrie did a great job. They they went

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Speaker 4: They all getting on sure the same assurance we got

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Speaker 1: Man, they switched it up because.

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Speaker 3: It is really really sad they're all getting say this,

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Speaker 3: and I'm not trying to, you know, make it bad

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Speaker 3: like talk about the NFL like it. It's some good

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Speaker 3: what I know as a reporter. I said, okay. He said,

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Speaker 3: what's the NFL eighty percent black? I say seven to

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Speaker 3: eighty percent black. He said, now let me say this.

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Speaker 3: I said, okay. He said, if the NFL was eighty

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Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, I know that. No secret.

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Speaker 3: That's just sad to say, though. And he said, he said,

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Speaker 1: It's the truth.

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Speaker 2: I got a question in your time, was it more

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Speaker 1: It's still a good old boys club. Man.

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Speaker 3: They didn't have no black owners. They're not having no

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Speaker 3: no no. Like I think magic owns. They're not having

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Speaker 3: you no black owned. Yeah, I am, you're not having it.

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Speaker 3: I got it. I think a couple of you guys

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Speaker 3: I said, let me tell you something. I said, you

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Speaker 3: I said, you screwed up. He said I could tell.

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Speaker 3: That's insane.

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Speaker 4: They'll give a couple of athletes and rappers like a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you can point take pictures zero zero yeah, zero

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Speaker 2: The good thing to me and I don't wish that.

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Speaker 2: I know when that the good old boys, if your generation,

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Speaker 3: Yep, but it's still going. But they passed, they passed

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Speaker 3: on their kids, and it's really good that mentality.

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Speaker 1: Don't leave. It's still it's still a good old boys situation.

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Speaker 4: Silly Texas, seventy miles western Houston. What was football like?

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Speaker 4: You know, I'm a lot younger, and you know the

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Speaker 4: football was always big? Was I growing up in Texas?

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Speaker 4: You know that Friday night life that's really big? Was

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Speaker 3: Yeah, man, you know football in my little hometown. You

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Speaker 3: it was two. A football we won once stayed. My

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Speaker 3: you know, and I laugh, I'm like, these little white

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Speaker 3: don't know how, but we be But man football it's big,

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Speaker 3: that's still and that's you know, you know, you know

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Speaker 1: It's no joke. You go to Texas and there's these

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Speaker 1: these high school stadiums up ninety million. That's crazy.

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Speaker 2: You spoke on something that that I had a lot

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Speaker 2: there are the times now where you could smile and

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Speaker 2: laugh at it. But in the in the moment, you

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Speaker 2: faced a lot of racism. Uh, can you talk to.

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Speaker 1: the depths of racism you've seen? Oh? Man, it's it's deep.

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Speaker 3: I mean I think about what I've dealt with, but

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Speaker 3: But it was bad, It really was. I mean, you'd

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Speaker 3: I got them kind of letters. I don't forgive. When

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Speaker 3: that's by my last year that they fired him. It

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Speaker 3: And this is where I'm like, I'm done with this place.

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Speaker 1: She was crying. Every said, how could you eat? And

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Speaker 3: So I could you even play with that? I said,

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Speaker 4: They still have it every the dude and the Grand

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Speaker 1: And all that.

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Speaker 3: That's where they happened. I mean, it was a trip

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Speaker 1: You know, you're the bigger person. Get to get over

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Speaker 3: I was a di was legally adopted by my great

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Speaker 3: She said, I'm gonna tell you their Eric said two

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Speaker 3: And she was fun I said, what I just see

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Speaker 3: white men do. She said, I've seen it. I see

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Speaker 1: That's South.

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Speaker 4: was it?

434
00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:34,080
Speaker 1: Yeah?

435
00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:35,960
Speaker 3: He was on your team? I know we had we

436
00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:37,800
Speaker 3: had a couple players that diamond. One player got shot.

437
00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,400
Speaker 3: Yeah he died in a car accident. Really yeah yeah, Man.

438
00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:43,800
Speaker 4: Speak about the booster coach in Texas and all the

439
00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:48,160
Speaker 4: pressure that Clarence Share put on you to go to Texas.

440
00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:54,479
Speaker 1: And I ain't know about Clarence. She got the smartest

441
00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,760
Speaker 1: people around. Oh man. Uh yeah.

442
00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,159
Speaker 3: They wanted me to go to Texas, A and M

443
00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:01,760
Speaker 3: in the see the Aga town, I mess Aga Town

444
00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:07,960
Speaker 3: and never forget you know, they recruited me heavily, real hard,

445
00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:09,800
Speaker 3: and I committed to them one time. Man, but I

446
00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:11,480
Speaker 3: didn't want to go to an M. I mean I didn't.

447
00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:12,760
Speaker 3: And the reason I didn't want to go to that

448
00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:14,719
Speaker 3: I was a good, good school. My cousin went there

449
00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:16,560
Speaker 3: and played foot bottom and I told them I should

450
00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:19,199
Speaker 3: go there because I liked them at this point. But

451
00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:22,360
Speaker 3: you know, they had them yeale leaders. They had no cheerleaders.

452
00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:23,880
Speaker 3: It was a lot of girls there. I'm like, man,

453
00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:25,359
Speaker 3: I don't want to be on no damn year leaders.

454
00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:30,560
Speaker 1: I want some cheerleaders. So but they made I forget that.

455
00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:32,800
Speaker 3: They came to mind, not him, but they some boosters

456
00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:35,880
Speaker 3: came to my house, never forget it. And my mother,

457
00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,960
Speaker 3: my real mom, and my lady who died my great aunt.

458
00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,440
Speaker 3: They were in the in the house and said, come in,

459
00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:44,760
Speaker 3: let me talk to you. I said, yes, ma'am. She said,

460
00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:46,639
Speaker 3: let me tell you something. She said, them white folks

461
00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,280
Speaker 3: got a briefcase and they were fifty thousand dollars in it.

462
00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:51,400
Speaker 3: So I never seen that much money in my whole life.

463
00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:53,359
Speaker 3: She said, but you don't want to go to this school.

464
00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,280
Speaker 3: Don't tell me any taking these people's money. And I

465
00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:58,560
Speaker 3: wasn't just I don't think I want to go there.

466
00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:00,199
Speaker 3: She said, we ain't taking any money, because I mean,

467
00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:01,639
Speaker 3: I got to say my mother she was, She was

468
00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,919
Speaker 3: the one who been Tegrian and she really was. And

469
00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,520
Speaker 3: I couldn't do that. I just I didn't want to

470
00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:07,320
Speaker 3: go down and.

471
00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:08,240
Speaker 1: Them off of this offer.

472
00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:11,119
Speaker 4: You stepped down the house in west View the white

473
00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,400
Speaker 4: party of the white part of Stiling and a few

474
00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:14,679
Speaker 4: had a few head of cattle.

475
00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:15,000
Speaker 1: Guy.

476
00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:19,160
Speaker 4: They giving away Cattley want your now, nobody giving away

477
00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,440
Speaker 4: cattle now money.

478
00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:23,480
Speaker 1: That's the money right now. I ain't given them, ain't

479
00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:24,919
Speaker 1: no count. I really want you to do that.

480
00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:29,600
Speaker 4: Man, you originally committed to texting them, didn't committed. Story

481
00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:31,520
Speaker 4: goes They kept the whip. Is it true, you didn't

482
00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:33,560
Speaker 4: go to them because of the school with seven per cent. Guys,

483
00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,760
Speaker 4: that's absolutely true. Right, that's absolutely true. Okay, that's absolutely true.

484
00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:39,880
Speaker 1: That's the truth. I mean I think that, I mean

485
00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:44,000
Speaker 1: that was the right choice. Who would do that? Who

486
00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:45,000
Speaker 1: would do that? All them?

487
00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,800
Speaker 2: Boyd that phield slipped the other way. I just would

488
00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,879
Speaker 2: have went to school. Fuck the pros straight up. Seventy

489
00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,520
Speaker 2: thirty seventy So you kept the whip that and them?

490
00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:56,200
Speaker 2: Are you gonna pass that again?

491
00:19:56,400 --> 00:20:00,399
Speaker 1: Transam? The trans am? Well, let me tell even the

492
00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:04,800
Speaker 1: trains got it? No, I've seen pictures there. It is

493
00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,520
Speaker 1: right there, Yes, sir, little hair we're walking out of

494
00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:16,680
Speaker 1: a restaurant there and see what you call the hair

495
00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:17,200
Speaker 1: back then?

496
00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:22,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know smoking the bandit yeah, t top T

497
00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:23,720
Speaker 3: top t T top.

498
00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:25,520
Speaker 1: No. I don't have that car any more. Matter of fact.

499
00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:28,560
Speaker 3: When I my uh, I think going into my senior year,

500
00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:30,600
Speaker 3: I got a I got a car Vette, and then

501
00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:32,679
Speaker 3: I gave my best friend in that car and ended

502
00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:34,879
Speaker 3: up getting stolen. But how the car did it? You

503
00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,440
Speaker 3: know the story? The car came about? So the car

504
00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:39,600
Speaker 3: came about. I used to go down to Houston see

505
00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,919
Speaker 3: this car place called Leo Johnigan's it's like looking look

506
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:44,960
Speaker 3: at the cars and look at that car. Go down

507
00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:46,800
Speaker 3: there like every couple of weeks just to look at it.

508
00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,480
Speaker 3: Look look at it was on the showroom floor, showroom floor.

509
00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,080
Speaker 3: I know what that feels like, just to look at it.

510
00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:55,879
Speaker 3: And you know, and then they heard, you know, they

511
00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:57,520
Speaker 3: told money my step I'll tell my mother. You know,

512
00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:59,359
Speaker 3: they told my mother that I liked the car. So

513
00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:00,800
Speaker 3: I remember one I think it was like a Friday,

514
00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,200
Speaker 3: said Eric. She said, we're gonna drive down to Houston

515
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,199
Speaker 3: with me, your grandmother, them down there to look at

516
00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:09,680
Speaker 3: that car. At that the I mean transnd like, okay,

517
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:10,880
Speaker 3: so go down.

518
00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:12,800
Speaker 1: What are you seventeen eighteen at this point.

519
00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:19,040
Speaker 3: Seventeen seventeen seventeen. So go down look at it. And

520
00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:24,080
Speaker 3: it's like three white men. My real mother, my adopted mother,

521
00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:30,280
Speaker 3: my grandmother was there, and my grandfather was there. So

522
00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:31,960
Speaker 3: they said take the car and take it for a drive.

523
00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:33,960
Speaker 3: I took the car. I take it for a drive

524
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,360
Speaker 3: to come back and I go to kend of Key's

525
00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:37,119
Speaker 3: basically I'll keep it.

526
00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:41,720
Speaker 1: It's yours, oh ship, really, I'm like, it's my it's yours. Man.

527
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:45,400
Speaker 1: I was excited color color.

528
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 3: Gold, the gold transit. Yeah, so what happened is so

529
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:51,000
Speaker 3: matter of fact, but check it.

530
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,199
Speaker 1: It was. It was. It was such big news.

531
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:57,400
Speaker 3: Let me see that would say a Friday, Monday morning,

532
00:21:58,000 --> 00:21:59,080
Speaker 3: the n C Double A was.

533
00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,000
Speaker 1: At my high school. Guy came to my class. I

534
00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 1: was in. I was in. I was in a lab

535
00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 1: class and never forget it. Let me get them keys.

536
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 3: I came in like that, knock on the door, and

537
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,080
Speaker 3: the teacher said to him till he said, Eric, this

538
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 3: guy want to speak to you out here. It's different

539
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,359
Speaker 3: here and people walk on campus. And I said, I

540
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 3: walked out. He said, yeah, Sam, I'm so and so

541
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,119
Speaker 3: from the n Clack my brother n C Double A,

542
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:19,920
Speaker 3: and I want to talk to you about your trans am.

543
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,680
Speaker 3: You got, I said, okay, I said, well. He talked

544
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,720
Speaker 3: to my mom. I said, uh, And she told me

545
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:26,639
Speaker 3: somebody come in by to call you about to call you.

546
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 3: Tell him call me. So sure enough, I said, They

547
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,280
Speaker 3: got to my address. He said, God, how to go

548
00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 3: to the house.

549
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 1: She let him.

550
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,200
Speaker 3: I had to go to the office and I talked

551
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:34,960
Speaker 3: to my mother him come to the house. When I

552
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 3: got home, they were there. He was he was there

553
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 3: talking to my mother about the car, and he talked, talked, talk,

554
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:41,920
Speaker 3: Make a long story short. I saw this man every

555
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 3: day for about I almost say, almost two months, two

556
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,919
Speaker 3: or three months. Every day even sometime it was he

557
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 3: came to the house so much that he would eat

558
00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,000
Speaker 3: with us. He said, I to eat with us and

559
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 3: then find out and see him. One day, I said, Mama,

560
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 3: what happened? He said, I'm gonna see he said, Your

561
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 3: grandmother say she want to see my grandmother grandfather too.

562
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 3: Your grandmother told that man, if I see you, well,

563
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,119
Speaker 3: if I see anybody from the n C double A

564
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 3: again at my house or Eric's mom's house, we're gonna

565
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,160
Speaker 3: sue you at the n C double man.

566
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 1: That was so I'm again, Yeah.

567
00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 3: So I can tell you what happened when I because

568
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:17,160
Speaker 3: I didn't find this out to later.

569
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 1: How the car got paid for?

570
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 3: Uh?

571
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 1: I asked my mom?

572
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:21,159
Speaker 3: I said, Mom said the car and I was in

573
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 3: the pros. How they caught that car come up? She

574
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 3: didn't know how the car? I said, no, She say,

575
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,400
Speaker 3: what happened is? She said, your grandmother and them they

576
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,120
Speaker 3: have the money for the car. She rode the check

577
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 3: row the check and and them gave her the cash

578
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,200
Speaker 3: for it, and they can't go back and say, hey,

579
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:36,160
Speaker 3: I bought that car.

580
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 1: You know he got that car. She said, that's how

581
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 1: the car came about it. Yep. So they were smart.

582
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 4: They knew what they was doing the art of being

583
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 4: a big back. You talk about how oh J we

584
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 4: had a big influence on you, but you had any

585
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 4: other influences when you talk about big running backs.

586
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 3: Not really, you know. I liked Earl Camel. Earl was

587
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 3: he was man, he was, he was a beast. I

588
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 3: liked writing an Earl play. But my guy, and I

589
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 3: still say to me the greatest backwards OJ. I just

590
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 3: love watching him play. That is why I played the

591
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 3: position running back. I mean I never wanted to wear

592
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 3: anyone else's number. I didn't I want to make my

593
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,400
Speaker 3: own number. I was like, you know, I didn't want

594
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 3: to be OJ like that, But as a player, he

595
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 3: was a guy that I loved watching play. And I

596
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 3: think I like Jim Brown. I didn't see I didn't

597
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 3: see Jim. I just saw old highlights. Yeah, yeah, washing

598
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 3: I saw OJ live. What's your philosophy as a rush?

599
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 3: Are you do a type of Russia that IM go

600
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 3: off instinct? Are you playing ahead before you get the ball.

601
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 3: You know what you're gonna do before. I don't think

602
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 3: any if a player says that they playing certain things,

603
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 3: you can plan ahead. But it's hard football because it's

604
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 3: there's so many moving parts. I mean that game you

605
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 3: get out there like basketball, man, I mean, I can

606
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 3: tell you this basketball. I felt I could play basketball.

607
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 3: I know when I'm playing no pro basketball. When I

608
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 3: watch y'all guys play, it's amazing how fast it is.

609
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 3: And you know, like a donkey like boom, I'm like, damn,

610
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 3: I said, go way up there. People think the same

611
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 3: thing about football. I was what it happens fast like

612
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 3: for me, Like I said, I'm gonna say, I can

613
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 3: kind of look through a play all right. So if

614
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 3: I'm running, were running talks they tossed right. You start

615
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,679
Speaker 3: watching the defense. And my thing was I was fast,

616
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,480
Speaker 3: so if I could get the defensive linemen and linebackers

617
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 3: to do this to think started turn their hips, I

618
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 3: knew my guys to get on them, and I could

619
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 3: have a lane stretch it cut back. That's about the

620
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 3: only time because stuff is all instant. It happens when

621
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 3: you see a guy coming. You make you make a movie.

622
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 3: You don't think about the move. It's like people if

623
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 3: somebody asked me they about say Corn Barkley jumping over

624
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,640
Speaker 3: the guy back and said, that's an instinct that he playing.

625
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 3: I'm gonna jumper. No, it's just it's a reaction. It's

626
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 3: like if I go up to a punch that you

627
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 3: you're gonna do that automatically.

628
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 1: It's just all instinct.

629
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 4: Talking about the DNA of Texas running backs, say a

630
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 4: couple of names. Adrian Peterson, Jamal Charles is from my hometown,

631
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 4: pulled out the sex side of Jamal La Damien Thomas,

632
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 4: and Earl Campbell is just in the water out there.

633
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 3: It's in the water in the ap man about ap

634
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 3: when I was you know, I was, I was in

635
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:01,199
Speaker 3: the pro. I was out of retired. But I'd hear

636
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 3: about this kid, ap s man. This guy run just

637
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 3: like you, Eric, you know, run just like you. And

638
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 3: I saw him. I like Dann He's a big back.

639
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 3: And I got to tell you he went to my

640
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 3: second favorite school. Oh you I was. That's why I

641
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 3: wanted to go to college. Ou so I gotta say

642
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,719
Speaker 3: it my second fractuse. I went to SMU and uh man,

643
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,160
Speaker 3: I just like ap Ap is he was a great

644
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 3: football player. I like all the guys just named the Danian.

645
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 3: I mean even though he went to TCU. You know,

646
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 3: he didn't recruit him, so I don't blame him for that.

647
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 3: M stayed in Texas. Mab stayed in Texas. Yeah, man,

648
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 3: we just we just have a lot of great backs

649
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 3: out of the state of Texas.

650
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 2: For young kids that don't know the story of the

651
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 2: Pony Express, you, Craig James, what would you tell them

652
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,120
Speaker 2: about that that team?

653
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 3: I would tell him, First, look up the thirty for

654
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 3: thirty incredible success, look at Pony Excess, FIRSUS, and then

655
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 3: but you know, we had some great football teams. I

656
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 3: was just talking to one of my my teammates that

657
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 3: lives here, my best friend, he was my full back.

658
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 3: I think people look at us, you know, the Pony Express,

659
00:26:58,119 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 3: that was part of a man. I'm gonna tell what

660
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 3: we had. Man, we had a hell of a defense.

661
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 3: I mean nasty defense. I mean they were dirty, they

662
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 3: were big, they were fast. We had a lot of

663
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 3: guys with prom Michael Carter, Russell, Carter, Harvey Armstrong, Blaine Smith,

664
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 3: Wes Hopkins. We had a hell of a defense. I said,

665
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 3: that's one thing that people don't realize about. I think

666
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 3: semb Mustang, but the Pony Express. It came about me

667
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 3: and Craig James. Both of us got highly recruited, he

668
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 3: from Stratford Seeley. I didn't think it would work. I

669
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 3: didn't think it would work. I mean, and Craig was

670
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:31,360
Speaker 3: a good back.

671
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: He really was.

672
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 3: And that's one of my best friends still to this day.

673
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 3: I just talked to him a couple of days ago.

674
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 3: But it worked out fine. I think it saved my

675
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,360
Speaker 3: career because I didn't, you know, have all the carries,

676
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 3: you know, as a as a college player like a

677
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 3: lot of these kids, and you know and say and

678
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:46,919
Speaker 3: it saved him too.

679
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 2: So it say any truth that you took a little

680
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 2: pay cut man, please going uhtle pennies.

681
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 3: They were giving us no you know back and then

682
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 3: that wasn't getting no real Let we gets about it.

683
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,439
Speaker 2: So what do you think about obviously the success you

684
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 2: had in high school and college, what do you think

685
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 2: what kind of damage could Eric Dickerson have done with

686
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 2: n I l you already had the transam, it would have.

687
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 3: Been no transamb ituro have been Billy, thank you, Ben.

688
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: You know, because you're a kids. You want to you

689
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 1: want to fast what they're doing.

690
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 4: Now you've seen somebod these recruits, the kids up and

691
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 4: it's just all thorns laid.

692
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: Out of I'm like, come on, man, I can't.

693
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 3: It's with farriris and stuff. Man, it's been because I

694
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 3: think about it. I mean, and I forget this. I

695
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,239
Speaker 3: was the number one recruit in the nation coming out

696
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 3: of this little time. Oh i'd have been cleaning up.

697
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 2: I got a question though, because I feel like and

698
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 2: and I put a lot of thought. I feel like

699
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 2: this generation gets everything we had to work so hard for.

700
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 2: To me at a young age, you're naturally going to

701
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 2: take your foot off the gas at some point as

702
00:28:53,920 --> 00:29:00,080
Speaker 2: far as desire, dedication, focus is it you feel the same.

703
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: Feel the same way. I feel exact same way.

704
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,479
Speaker 3: The thing is is I think about myself when I

705
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 3: was in c I didn't know how, but I said,

706
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 3: this is my My daddy passed away when I was

707
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 3: my junior year. I always said that I wanted my

708
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 3: mom to have a house like the white people had.

709
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 3: I want to have cars like the white people had.

710
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 3: I didn't know how I was going to get that,

711
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 3: but you know, playing sports was my avenue and I

712
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 3: didn't know it, you know, really I didn't see it

713
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 3: like that. But it worked out. And then right, a

714
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 3: lot of these kids stuff it's given to them so early.

715
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 3: They don't have. They don't have. They don't know what

716
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 3: adversity is. They don't know what it's like to not have.

717
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 3: You know, they got us. They got a room full

718
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 3: of tennis shoes where I had a pair of school shoes,

719
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 3: a pair of tennis shoes and the past shoes go

720
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 3: to church, you know, and that's what you had.

721
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: I want to get out.

722
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 3: I hid my church shoes one time because I didn't

723
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:48,719
Speaker 3: want to go to church, and my mom we look

724
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 3: for us. I put them tennis shoes on, yeah, and

725
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 3: found them.

726
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: Take your school shoes off, right, take your school shoes off,

727
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: buy your fresh pass shoes.

728
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 4: You went them to school and playing again in the games,

729
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 4: and you only had one path.

730
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 2: But you couldn't wear them outside when you got home

731
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 2: though I know we couldn't. You can wear them easy,

732
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 2: barefoot or some other shit. Right after you left left SMU,

733
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 2: the NCAA sanctioned them with the death penalty for legal

734
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 2: payment to players, effectively shutting down the program for two years.

735
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 2: How did that make you feel? Obviously it's so prevalent

736
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 2: now and really a lot of other schools were doing it.

737
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 2: They came down really hard on you guys. But looking

738
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 2: back on that, what are your thoughts on that?

739
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 3: Funny you say, because you said they put it on.

740
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 3: Everybody always says that I had something to do with

741
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 3: me and Craig. We were gone, we were in the program.

742
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 3: I'm glad you didn't say that we were out of college.

743
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 3: I think it was wrong. First of all, when which

744
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 3: first started back in nineteen seventy nine, when I got

745
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 3: recruited by a senior. The problem was is that Estimate

746
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 3: was a smaller school, and we had the best recruiting

747
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 3: class in the nation that year. We had like we

748
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 3: call the blue chips. We had like twelve chips and

749
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 3: went and people couldn't understand it. Even though my freshman

750
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 3: year we struggled. We we I think with five and six,

751
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 3: then with nine and three, ten and one and ten

752
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 3: eleven oh one. So all of a sudden we start

753
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 3: winning other like Texas and then they were pissed. You know,

754
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 3: you ain't supposed to beat us. You're supposed to beat us,

755
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 3: and that's what brought the attention to us. We won't forget.

756
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 3: We beat Texas my sophomore year, we beat them twenty

757
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 3: to six in Austin. They beat it the hell out

758
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 3: of us. In my freshman year, beat us thirty six.

759
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 3: The next year they were number two in the nation.

760
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 3: We were six and oh there we were six and

761
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 3: oh but you know that freshman year we got a

762
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 3: chance to grow. We're going to beat them in Austin.

763
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 3: Monday morning, the n C double is at school. Ain't

764
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 3: no way, yep, ain't no way, no way. We had

765
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 3: to take a soft probation. The next some kind of

766
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 3: probation we had to. We won the conference, but we

767
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 3: had to. We couldn't be on television that year. The

768
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 3: next year we wanted the conference again. And it just

769
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,959
Speaker 3: brought it brought all this attention to a smaller school.

770
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 3: And that's just how it was back in those days.

771
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 3: I mean, man, and it was everybody was doing it.

772
00:31:56,120 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 3: I mean, we knew whatever the other We know what

773
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 3: they were getting it. At the end, we knew what

774
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 3: they were getting in Texas. But it was different because

775
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 3: it was smaller, smaller school. They don't want the smaller school,

776
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 3: just like now, they don't want the smaller schools in

777
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 3: the championship game.

778
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 2: School big question, maybe the biggest question don't don't was

779
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 2: your curl wet or.

780
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: Look at that thing right there I signed, is glistening?

781
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: I know you had the head band. No, that was

782
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: Walter with the head band. You don't neck roll glasses

783
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: and goggles in the day. It was it wet or dry?

784
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: It was was it was when I played, it was

785
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 1: driving the goggles by or tryfocals.

786
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 3: Bro No, it was just regular glass. Okay, when I

787
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 3: took them glasses off. One time I tried to prescription

788
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 3: what description? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I tried to play not

789
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 3: without them. I tried to play with contacts in one game.

790
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 3: I said, we gonna try to contact and I said,

791
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 3: we're gonna put that. We have the goggles on the sideline.

792
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 3: First hit popped out out. I had to go to

793
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 3: the side and get the god goes back.

794
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. I couldn't play without him. But the wet curl,

795
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: that was the thing back then. Jerry was like, I said,

796
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: if you have a sweet curl, though curls for the

797
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: girl walk around with a tiler.

798
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 2: That's how Yeah, that's where my dad ship was he

799
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 2: used to walk around with the tailer around his neck,

800
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 2: wouldn't get on his work shirt.

801
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: What was the story behind the neck row.

802
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 3: The neck ro? You know what the neck row was.

803
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 3: It was just a look, you know what, it's part

804
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 3: of my swag. I gotta get I gotta get my

805
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 3: boy Craig James cred for this. He wore a neckro

806
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 3: in college. I'm like, I mean high school, Like.

807
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: I like that neckro make you look bigger to you

808
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 1: was already big too.

809
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 3: I tried it, you know, they had it. I'm like,

810
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 3: I can't this thing off tighten up. So I had

811
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 3: pulled it out, had drilled hole through my past. I

812
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 3: get tied down, tied down the back, cut my jerrys

813
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 3: down the middle.

814
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, this looks That's how I went. I went

815
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: in the neck ro. Did it? Did it help with

816
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: the collisions and all that? It was strictly.

817
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 4: We talked a lot about the NBA, how it was

818
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 4: in the eighties, and we know about how it was

819
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 4: drugs and a lot of stuff going on when they

820
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 4: was trying to find their foot and what was the

821
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 4: thing like in the eighties in the.

822
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 3: NFL steroids, how the guy's six steroids. I mean, I

823
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 3: didn't take no steroid, didn't need no steroids. But and

824
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 3: the thing is, let me tell you something, Man, when

825
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 3: you hit one of them guys the steroids, I won't forget.

826
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 3: I hit the guy I can't think his name for

827
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 3: this New Orleans Saints. I hit him in the thigh

828
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 3: and it was like hitting this marble table. I hit

829
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 3: him and I slid down.

830
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like damn.

831
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm thinking I'm tripping really like, man, this

832
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 3: man is hard. Then I tried to block him. He

833
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 3: can rush, he's a defense. He got knocked my hands

834
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 3: passed the quarter. I'm like, oh, this is unnatural. Some

835
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,439
Speaker 3: of the players, I said, you know the Jews, I'm

836
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 3: like what juice is because you know, I didn't even

837
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 3: know what steroids was back. I didn't think about steroids. Like,

838
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm like red, I said, man, she hard

839
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 3: as a rock. Yeah, it was, it was. It was

840
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 3: really prevalent. They would do that. You see, guys had

841
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 3: the on some of my teammates.

842
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 1: They had the locker locker because it wasn't legal at

843
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 1: that point.

844
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 3: Right, it was, it was, It wasn't They weren't checking

845
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 3: for wasn't checking for it. This one guy on the coast,

846
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 3: I won't say his name, I know and you know

847
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 3: he was. We played in the Pro Bowl and he

848
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 3: was offensive lineman. Brother, he's on the juice, but he

849
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 3: was Reggie White wasn't on the juice. Now, Reggie was strong.

850
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 3: Never forget it. We ran a draw play, but I

851
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 3: sat behind the quarterback. Reggie hit this guard hit him,

852
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 3: picked him up in the air and threw him into me.

853
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 3: I'm like, damn, I said, the juice ain't helping.

854
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: Him with.

855
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 2: Can you elaborate on Reggie White? Obviously, rest in peace?

856
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:53,919
Speaker 2: One of the greatest of all times. We just don't

857
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 2: hear enough about his greatness.

858
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 3: And Reggie White was a great first he's a great

859
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 3: human being, such a nice guy. But he was a

860
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 3: he hits you, God, bless you, God bless you. I mean,

861
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 3: he was. He was a beast man. He was you know,

862
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 3: her mind kind of reminds me of Reggie White. Was

863
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 3: Aaron Donald, but Reggie was bigger. Reggie was big. Gray

864
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 3: had long arms. You know why, nothing on his arms,

865
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 3: played every down. Was nothing fancy about him. Just a tough,

866
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 3: real football player. If I tell these young kids. You

867
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 3: want to look at a defensive lineman, look at Reggie

868
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 3: White and look at Aaron Donald them too, man, I

869
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 3: mean Aaron Donald's like a Reggie White type.

870
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 4: Number two pick in the draft. Talked to us about

871
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:34,760
Speaker 4: the signing bonus situation.

872
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 3: My sign and bonus was six hundred thousand dollars. I

873
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 3: got a six hundred thousand dollars signed bonus. I was

874
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 3: behind John that way, but it was supposed to be

875
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 3: a forgivable loan.

876
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: That's how it set up.

877
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 2: So did they let you know up front with that

878
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:50,479
Speaker 2: small writing, did you.

879
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: Man, you know, think about it? Didn't know? You know,

880
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:57,439
Speaker 1: you know, you know absolutely no. I just see them dollars. Yeah,

881
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 1: see need that You say, you know one hundred thousand? What? Yeah?

882
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 3: So I just signed over six hundred thousand dollars signing

883
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 3: bonus and I won't forget my agent he said, look,

884
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 3: it's a it's a don'ta be a forgivable belong You

885
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 3: ain't have to pay it back. And he said, he said,

886
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 3: he said, from the next contract, they just you know,

887
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 3: you don't have to worry about it.

888
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: What never happened like that?

889
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 3: So when I got traded to the Colts, and the

890
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 3: coach gave me a five hundred thousand dollars time. So

891
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 3: I went from making basically my base salary with the

892
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 3: with the Rams all together, it was like two two

893
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 3: fifty on the high. Coach gave me a signed the

894
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 3: mostly five hundred. They gave me a base salary of

895
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 3: one point four. Man, I was making some real money then.

896
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 3: So I took my signing bonus and gave it back

897
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 3: to the Ram, getting my signing bonus back, which I

898
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 3: probably shouldn't have, but I was so pissed at them, man,

899
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 3: And I mean nothing like I said, I mean, I

900
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:44,959
Speaker 3: like to be a man of my word.

901
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like I was just done with just done

902
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 1: with it.

903
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 4: You had that multiple times due to disputes with the

904
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 4: Rams management overpaid. At what point were you playing under

905
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 4: the rookie deal while being the league's leading Russia? Right,

906
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 4: I played on a rookie deal.

907
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 3: Let me see my first in my third year, I

908
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,439
Speaker 3: had I think I had one or two years left

909
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 3: on my contract. I think maybe one year left. They

910
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 3: didn't want to redo it. They don't want to redo it,

911
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 3: and I held out. Then they gave me. Then they

912
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 3: did redo it, and I made look you know. I

913
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 3: kept saying, pay me like the quarterbacks. Keep me a

914
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 3: million five, a million two, I said, even a million dollars. Now,

915
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 3: I wouldn't would talk to the germ manager, John Shaw.

916
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 3: I'll never get it. I went and met with him.

917
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,479
Speaker 3: Think about this, How long would it take a start

918
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 3: player to meet with the general manager football basketball team?

919
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: Like that? Took me weeks to meet with him. Take

920
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: me weeks to meet with him.

921
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 3: Finally when I met with him, Uh, John, were cool

922
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,879
Speaker 3: today after you know, some years. I met with him

923
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 3: and I said, John, I said, Man, I said, my

924
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 3: contract is bad.

925
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 1: Man.

926
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 3: He said, Eric, you know you got a new deal.

927
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 3: I said, but it ain't no good. I said, y'all

928
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 3: know it's no good. I said, I'm doing most of

929
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 3: the doing. Most I'm doing. I'm in the office. So

930
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 3: and I didn't like to say it, Ja, but I

931
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 3: did so. Matter of fact, this guy gave him the scenario.

932
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 3: It's eighty six, I said, I let the league in

933
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 3: Russian last ye. No you didn't, Walter Payton. He said, well,

934
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 3: that says his boy. No you didn't, Walter, I said, no,

935
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,439
Speaker 3: I live to at eighteen twenty one. No, I said, yes,

936
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,919
Speaker 3: I did. I left the league, goes get his book.

937
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 3: I want to kick him in his ass. Oh you did,

938
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,280
Speaker 3: I said, yeah, you I led the league in Russian

939
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 3: last year. So I said, this is what I do.

940
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 3: I said, this is how much confidence I had in myself.

941
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 3: I said, if I have fifteen hundred yards or more,

942
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 3: you pay me the million five If I don't. If

943
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 3: I go under that, then I just I said, I

944
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 3: go year by year. You just got to goat to

945
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 3: my old contract. He said, no, We're not gonna do

946
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 3: think about that. I bet on myself playing football. So

947
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 3: that way, I just knew. I knew it was gonna

948
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 3: be a bad.

949
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: Deal with him, Walter Payton.

950
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 2: I want to talk about his greatness, but also I

951
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 2: want to talk about and is this something you got

952
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 2: to share? Obviously everything is very public knowledge. What kind

953
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 2: of money was he making?

954
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 3: Well, I can tell you when I was, but I

955
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 3: was playing, I was like the thirty to forties.

956
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: Highest played player at the league thirty yef yeah.

957
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, like the thirties I played player in the league.

958
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 3: Watcher was probably making like eight seventy five nine hundred.

959
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

960
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:11,240
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm gonta forget my friend Roy Green receiver

961
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,840
Speaker 3: for the Cardinals. Ro was a great player. And I

962
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 3: called Russell. I said, man, we're talking about it. I said, man,

963
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 3: so much money you make? What I said, idn't mean

964
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 3: to be great case I make six, I say six

965
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 3: seventy five, Like damn, man, I'm like, no, I don't

966
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 3: mean it like that. I said, Man, I'm over here

967
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 3: making two fucking fifty. Man, I said, this is ridiculous.

968
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:31,320
Speaker 1: It was. It was horrible.

969
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 3: I mean it really was. But the thing was is

970
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 3: that they builified me. They made me like, you know,

971
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 3: it's always funny how we're the greedy athletes, especially the

972
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 3: black athlete.

973
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 1: You know.

974
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 3: I hate to say it, and I just said, white guys,

975
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 3: they don't have to hold out. If you ever heard

976
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 3: of a white quarterback have a hold of that, it

977
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 3: don't have no, it don't. It does not happen. The

978
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 3: black quarterbacks have to hold lot. And I'm not making

979
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 3: a race thing. It's just facts. It's all facts, you know, Brothers,

980
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 3: we have to hold out. Make us look bad with

981
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 3: especially back then because the media controlled everything. When at

982
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 3: the Rams, the Rams made me look like I was

983
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,759
Speaker 3: money hungry. I wasn't a team player. I didn't want

984
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 3: to play hard, all that kind of stuff, which was

985
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 3: all a bunch of bs. And it's funny how time

986
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 3: goes on you meet people this Eric, man, you are nothing.

987
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,399
Speaker 1: Like this said, I said, no, but it's a different

988
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: day that.

989
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 2: I mean, there wasn't these type of platforms, right, So

990
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 2: what they said was the gospel.

991
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 3: That was it, and people then people had this, but

992
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 3: it's in the paper. It's got you got to be

993
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 3: It's got to be true. You gotta be true because

994
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 3: I used to say what Trump says. Now I said

995
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 3: the fake news, I call it fight fake news.

996
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: They line.

997
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 3: Matter of fact, it was a guy named Rick Riley.

998
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 3: Did you did an article in Sports Illustrated, came to

999
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 3: my house, stayed in my house, travel with us for

1000
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 3: a week on the team, and Indianapolis wrote a crazy

1001
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 3: article about me, made me seem like I have was

1002
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 3: a psychopath. I I fed my dogs and I had ridwild,

1003
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 3: fed my dog's gun powder, you know, just crazy crazy stuff.

1004
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 1: I called him man, I said, man, what the mm hmm?

1005
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: I thought it was good. I told him, man, I

1006
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: will whoop your ass. Man. I still like to whoop

1007
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 1: his ads right now. Like I said, what they used

1008
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: to be was the word. But back to sweetness. Man,

1009
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: Walter was a good guy. Man.

1010
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 3: I won't forget we played them. We played them. I

1011
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 3: think it's my rookie season. And I was Walter Payton fans.

1012
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: A little bit older than how many.

1013
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 3: Was about four or five five years older than five

1014
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 3: five years old than me. So I'm a little bit

1015
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 3: older than that. But somewhere around there we playing the Bears,

1016
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 3: and I won't get John Robinson say, look during the

1017
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 3: defense we're in the team meeting. He said, if anybody,

1018
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 3: and this is John Robinson, rookie coach, I'm a rookie.

1019
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 3: He said, any defensive players hit Walter Playton, Peyton Lake,

1020
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 3: take a cheap shot.

1021
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: We're gonna find you like what they're gonna find. I

1022
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: will play. You're gonna find them like okay, Like damn.

1023
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: I respect then, So I didn't.

1024
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 3: I went to meeting, but I want to wait after

1025
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,320
Speaker 3: the game the meeting and that day I think I

1026
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 3: had one hundred and forty nine yards in two touchdowns,

1027
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 3: and uh, we beat him. And I walk up to

1028
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 3: him and I put my hand. I gotta I got

1029
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 3: a big picture of me and him in my office,

1030
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 3: and I said Eric Dickerson. He said, I know who

1031
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 3: you are, and I said, Man, I say I'm a fan.

1032
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 3: He said, he said I'm a fan too.

1033
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, Barry sunders, Oh, Man, can't nobody run like Bear?

1034
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:21,879
Speaker 1: You can't he like Curly? You know, like man?

1035
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 3: Nothing like him? I mean, I don't think you ever

1036
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 3: seen nobody like you. I mean people say, you know,

1037
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:28,879
Speaker 3: I couldn't.

1038
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: Run like Bear. I have everybody out the on stop.

1039
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: Nobody could run like Derek carry big bag? I like him.

1040
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: How big is he? Forty two fifty?

1041
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 3: He sees about six four by two forty something like that.

1042
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 3: He's bigger than me, bigger than me because.

1043
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: Think about that, but not by much though, yeah, not

1044
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: about much.

1045
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 3: But yeah, he's a big bag man. I mean when

1046
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 3: I when I met him, like, damn you put them

1047
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 3: and say you put them pads on? You know, it

1048
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 3: takes it up up, you know, a couple of couple

1049
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 3: of levels. I mean, because we played the Lions when

1050
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 3: I was a rookie and I jogged on the field

1051
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 3: by some defensive backs. dB said, damn that like a

1052
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 3: defensive lineman, you know, And I was, I was, I

1053
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 3: was a big backback. Emmy Smith got all the got

1054
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 3: all the records. Man, I love him. Good guy, great guy,

1055
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 3: great player. Imm It was not fast nothing in high

1056
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 3: in college. I never I mean because people say, I

1057
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 3: ain't gonna be that guy said man. I said, he

1058
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 3: runs tough. He a tough player. I kept saying, if

1059
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 3: he gets on the right team, he'd be able to

1060
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 3: do it right.

1061
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: He got line and the quarterback god and weapons and ye.

1062
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 2: I don't think people understand how important it is if

1063
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 2: you're a running back to have a line and a quarterback.

1064
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 3: Oh Man, you don't. People don't. People don't really, they

1065
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 3: don't understand. I don't care how great you are. You

1066
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 3: could be the fastest, the biggest, but if you ain't

1067
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 3: got them guys up front, you might get away with

1068
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 3: it and have a quarterback. But if you ain't got

1069
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 3: the guys up front, you ain't going nowhere because you

1070
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 3: gotta stand them guys with that pros too. He had

1071
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 3: all Pro Bowls on the line. That's that that that

1072
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 3: that is their job. And you said that people. People

1073
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 3: don't realize, you know how tough it is when you

1074
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 3: don't have office. When I got the Indie Brother, it was.

1075
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 4: Emmit was good at waiting to them holes come yeah,

1076
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 4: find im gonna hit them hard too.

1077
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 3: What running backs you like today? Most definitely Derrick Henry.

1078
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 3: Like Derrick Henry. I think he's my favoritecause it's a

1079
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 3: big back like me. I like sayque now and I'd

1080
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 3: liked it before. I just thought he never would be

1081
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 3: the guy that he could have been playing with the Giants.

1082
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 3: I love watching him play. He's exciting me think, you know,

1083
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 3: thinking about it, it's not a.

1084
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 4: Lot of back like it was because Bell cow like,

1085
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 4: like I said, they've been doing it by committee.

1086
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 1: Now called we're called called feature backs.

1087
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 3: You know how feature back you gotta you gotta know

1088
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 3: you committed, got the rotation like Ava Kamara not to

1089
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 3: get back, you know. But you know it's just not

1090
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 3: it's not like you can say like you said in

1091
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 3: my area you said, Walter Payton, Marcus Sallam O J Anderson,

1092
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:57,800
Speaker 3: I mean you could just go down the line and

1093
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 3: running back because the team need a running back. Now

1094
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 3: you got to sit down. Well, yeah, but they black committee.

1095
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 3: It's a different era also too.

1096
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,919
Speaker 1: Can you speak to the importance of the fullback because

1097
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: the fullback is almost not very important.

1098
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 3: I don't see why don't let it know, I mean

1099
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 3: fullback blows open holes for the running back. It's very

1100
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 3: few teams. When I saw San Francisco do it, you know,

1101
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 3: last year and the year before. Man's important. That's that's important.

1102
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: Quick hitters. First thing to come to mind. Let us

1103
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: know one album you can listen to with no skips.

1104
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: Oh man, I know my favorite. I just said this

1105
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: the other day. Man, I like him. Yeah, yeah, I

1106
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: see that when I had to get I had to

1107
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:48,879
Speaker 1: get up. I can see that. But I can see that. Yes,

1108
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 1: I love the camera pants. What song would you play

1109
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 1: over your career mixtape?

1110
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 2: Like?

1111
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: What'll be the soundtrack to your mixtape? They call them highlights?

1112
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 3: Oh man, let me think next. I saw I saw

1113
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 3: one that did. It's simply the best that was. They

1114
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 3: had a highlight of me with it.

1115
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, that's sweet than anyone.

1116
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you a fun one right here. One quarterback,

1117
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 2: one receiver, and one offensive line. And you wish an

1118
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 2: offensive line as a whole, you wish you could have

1119
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:26,760
Speaker 2: played with during your career.

1120
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 3: The Washington Redskins. Oh line line, I did love my

1121
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 3: offensive line, Washington Redskins. Joe Montana, You're not gonna believe

1122
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 3: my receiver. You probably won't.

1123
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 1: He Henryeller, come on, man number eighty, and he had

1124
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: a long one too, right.

1125
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 5: I heard Yeller yells, yeah, Henry Henry five dinner against

1126
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:56,720
Speaker 5: that alive, Jesus.

1127
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: I love my dad to be there in my mom can.

1128
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 1: I like some of them.

1129
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 3: I likes some old like George Washington.

1130
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 1: I like to see what they're thinking.

1131
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, wooden teeth. Actually they said it was slave teeth,

1132
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 2: slave teeth and book t Washington like that in your

1133
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 2: heyday because you had one of the best. Was there

1134
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 2: any curve you were envoul because this was I mean

1135
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 2: you Deon Sanders, who else, Dominique Wilkins, you guys, we

1136
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 2: got a chance to sit down with all.

1137
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: You'll all y'all have a legendary the Lakers. Yeah, like a.

1138
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 2: Bitch, don't call anymore like any curR your your a

1139
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 2: CS curl U my own curve. I'm saying you have

1140
00:48:58,400 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 2: one of the best effort.

1141
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 1: I take my own. Yeah. Hell yeah, childhood crush. I

1142
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: metter too. I knew, I knew it. I said it

1143
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: with you. Jackie Crow, funniest teammate you ever had.

1144
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 3: Kind of class. Were the team the coats. Yeah, on

1145
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:23,320
Speaker 3: the Rams, it'd be Geary was Gary. Last thing funny

1146
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 3: is I don't know what. I can't think it's last night.

1147
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 3: It's the defensive back. Crazy funny, crazy funny. Yeah, Gary Green,

1148
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 3: Gary Green.

1149
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 4: If you could see one guess on All the Smoke,

1150
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 4: who would it be? But you have to help us

1151
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:37,320
Speaker 4: get your answer. I means you got to go on

1152
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 4: that that rolodex of yours. You know one guess that's

1153
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:45,280
Speaker 4: call ya go bears.

1154
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 2: Eric Man, we appreciate you again, huge fan in my household,

1155
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 2: and and and all the great things you did on

1156
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 2: the field. Man, We appreciate you sitting down with us

1157
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:54,879
Speaker 2: and best of luck.

1158
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 1: Appreciate you man, Eric.

1159
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 2: You catch us on the All the Smoke YouTube and

1160
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 2: the Draft Kings Network. We'll see y'all next week, sir.

1161
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 2: Shout out to the Punk Brothers. We appreciate you guys

1162
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 2: for having us baby and the guests.

1163
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Speaker 3: My guys,