1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Welcome. It is Verdict with Ted Cruz week in Review. 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: Ben Ferguson with you in mao mind. Did we have 3 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:11,400 Speaker 1: a week filled with some major stories? First up, Anthony 4 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: Founci was in front of Congress this week with exactly 5 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 1: what you would expect from him, a man filled with arrogance, 6 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: especially now as he's having to deal with the facts 7 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 1: of how many things he got wrong when it came 8 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: to COVID nineteen in the lockdowns, Jim Jordan and others 9 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:28,480 Speaker 1: went after him. 10 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 2: We're going to talk about that. 11 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: Also this week, the judge and the Donald Trump trial 12 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: made it very clear to the jury, I'm going to 13 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 1: let you find any path you want to give me 14 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:44,480 Speaker 1: a guilty verdict in that Donald Trump trial. We'll break 15 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: down that a little bit as well. And finally, the 16 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,880 Speaker 1: eightieth anniversary of D Day was this week. Senator Cruz 17 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: was in Normandy for that anniversary, a special day, and 18 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: now many are criticizing Biden, claiming that his speeches have 19 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: been politicized guys to go after Donald Trump. Did it 20 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: really happen that way? We'll talk to the center about it. 21 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: Who is there? It is the Weekend Review and it 22 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: starts right now. You mentioned that he's unapologetic. Congressman Jim 23 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: Jordan a good friend of the show. Here he questioned 24 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: Fauci on US tax dollars going to a grant recipient 25 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: to the lab directly in China. I want you to 26 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 1: hear what he had to say when he was asked 27 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: about this. It was honestly a little bit shocking to 28 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 1: hear just the arrogance from Fauci as. 29 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 2: Prior to that call would have been on the call. Well, 30 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 2: the call was arranged by Jeremy Farrar. You should ask him. 31 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 3: Okay, did US tax dollars flow through a grant recipient 32 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 3: to the lab in China? I'm sorry, did US tax 33 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 3: dollars flow through a grant recipient to the lab in China? 34 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 2: Yes? 35 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 4: Of course it was a sub award to the one 36 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 4: who approved that award. 37 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 2: Excuse me? And who approved that award? What agency approved 38 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 2: that award? 39 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 4: National Institute of Alogy and Infectious Disease. 40 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 2: You're agency approved that, right, Yes it did. 41 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 3: After does that have anything to do with this downplaying 42 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 3: the lab Leeku theory? 43 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:08,799 Speaker 2: No, nothing to do with it. Nothing. 44 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 1: What This is a guy that still wants you to 45 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: believe that the lab week theory was a theory and 46 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 1: not reality, and that this somehow came from a wet market. 47 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: There and then the other question that was asked of 48 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: him was from Representative Brad Winthrop, a Republican from Ohio. 49 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 1: This was the question he asked, and listen to the 50 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 1: anger from Fauci. 51 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:33,239 Speaker 5: The vaccine saved millions of lives and I want to 52 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 5: thank you for your support and engagement on that. However, 53 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 5: despite statements to the contrary, it did not stop transmission 54 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 5: of the virus. Did the COVID vaccine stop transmission of 55 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 5: the virus? 56 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 4: That is a complicated issue because in the beginning, the 57 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 4: first iteration of the vaccines did have an effect, not 58 00:02:56,520 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 4: one hundred percent, not a high effect. They did of 59 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 4: prevent infection and subsequently obviously transmission. However, it's important to 60 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 4: point out something that we did not know early on 61 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 4: that became evident as the months went by, is that 62 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 4: the durability of protection against infection and hence transmission was 63 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 4: relatively limited, whereas the duration of protection against severe disease, 64 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 4: hospitalization and deaths was more prolonged. 65 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 2: We did not know that in the beginning. In the beginning, 66 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 2: it was. 67 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 4: Felt that in fact, it did prevent infection and thus transmission, 68 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 4: but that was proven as time went by to not 69 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 4: be a durable effect. 70 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: I mean, just there, He's like, well, I didn't really 71 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: get it wrong. It was just, you know, the science 72 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: that I'm in charge of was not what we thought 73 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: it was. They'll never admit they really screwed up on 74 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: any of this. 75 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 6: So listen, let me give a moment of benefit of 76 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 6: the doubt to Fauci. 77 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 2: I agree. 78 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 6: When this pandemic was starting, people didn't know what we 79 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 6: were facing, and people were concerned, and there were people dying, 80 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 6: and in the face of a pandemic, I understand the decisions. Look, 81 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 6: Donald Trump signed off on shutdowns early, on the decision 82 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 6: to have shutdowns for a week or two. Yeah, it 83 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 6: was two weeks, remember, to stop the spread. Two weeks 84 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 6: to stop the spread. In hindsight, that was a mistake, 85 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 6: but I can understand why people made the decision. At 86 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 6: the time. We didn't know, We didn't know what the 87 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 6: spreading was, we didn't know about what the lethality was, 88 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 6: and it was trying to save lives. If Fauci said, listen, 89 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 6: we had limited information. We were trying to do steps 90 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 6: to stop the spread of a contagious virus, and these 91 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 6: were steps that made sense. That would not be a 92 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 6: crazy thing to say. But by the way, he doesn't 93 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 6: admit any mistakes. And what Fauci did that was fundamentally 94 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 6: wrong is he elevated politics above science. If he admitted 95 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 6: we didn't know at the time we made those decisions. 96 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 6: In hindsight, some of those decisions were right, some were wrong, 97 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 6: that would be rational. But his position is everything we 98 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 6: did was right. Be glad we shut your schools down. 99 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 6: Be glad your children didn't go to school for a year. 100 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 6: Be glad their mass scores and reading scores have dropped. 101 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 6: Be glad that they will face learning loss for the 102 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 6: rest of their lives. Be grateful that we, the benevolent dictators, 103 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 6: did that. There is an arrogance this man. Look, he 104 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 6: publicly says, when you attack me, you are attacking the science, 105 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 6: because I am the science. There is an arrogance. He 106 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 6: embodies the leftist arrogance. And to be clear, look here 107 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 6: early on, when when people asked him, okay, our masks 108 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 6: do they make sense, he said, no, you shouldn't wear masks. 109 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 6: They don't do any good. A mask is not going 110 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 6: to stop the spread of a virus, and then going forward, 111 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 6: he said everyone's got to be masked, and he didn't 112 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 6: explain the change. And by the way, when it came 113 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 6: to the Wuhan lab, leap understand Anthony Fauci personally funded 114 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 6: the research that I believe created the COVID virus. He 115 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 6: was desperate to cover his own ass. He was desperate 116 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 6: to argue no came from a wet market. We now 117 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 6: know that is false. But he reached out. He asked 118 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 6: Mark Zuckerberg, will Facebook suppress any allegations that this came 119 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,919 Speaker 6: from a Chinese government lab? And to be clear, I 120 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:44,479 Speaker 6: want you to go back if you look at this podcast. 121 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 6: In March and April of twenty twenty, right at the 122 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 6: beginning of COVID, we did two different podcasts on Verdict 123 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 6: where we let out the evidence then early on that 124 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 6: I thought the clear evidence was this virus escaped from 125 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 6: a government lab. I think that is now overwhelming. It 126 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 6: is almost indisputable as strong, but it is clearly the 127 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 6: overwhelming way to the evidence is that it escaped from 128 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 6: a Chinese government lab. And I think the majority of 129 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 6: the evidence this is not as strong, but I think 130 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 6: it is greater than fifty percent is that this virus 131 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 6: was deliberately created by the Chinese government. Now I don't 132 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 6: think they created it because they wanted people to die. 133 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 6: I think they were creating it because they were engaged 134 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 6: in research and they were irresponsible and reckless. But they 135 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 6: took viruses and they made them that they engaged in 136 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 6: gain a function research, which is they made them more deadly, 137 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 6: and they made them more transmissible to humans, and then 138 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 6: I think the virus escaped in the world faced pandemic. 139 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: There's something else that's also very shocking, and that is 140 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: Doctor Fauci was asked a very simple question and I'll 141 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: wrap with this, but it's an important one, and that 142 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: was about the unvaccinated, and I want you to hear 143 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: just some of the kind of disdain they're still shaming 144 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: the unvaccinated. 145 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 4: Yes, it's proven that, and. 146 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 7: Do you also agree that it saved hundreds of thousands 147 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 7: and possibly millions of lives in America and across the world. 148 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 4: That is absolutely correct, and it's very clear that it's 149 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 4: saved millions of lives here and throughout the world. The 150 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 4: Europeans have done the same studies that we have, and 151 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 4: the data are incontrovertible that they save lives. 152 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 7: Certain, do you think the American public should listen to 153 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 7: America's brightest and best doctors and scientists or instead listen 154 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 7: to podcasters, conspiracy theorists, and unhinged Facebook memes. 155 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 4: Now, listening to people who you just described is going 156 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 4: to do nothing but harm people because they will deprive 157 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 4: themselves of life saving interventions, which has happened. And you 158 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 4: know some have done study, but he's Fidehotz has done 159 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 4: an analysis of this and shows that in people who 160 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:09,079 Speaker 4: refuse to get vaccinated for any a variety of reasons 161 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 4: probably responsible for an additional two to three hundred thousand 162 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:13,679 Speaker 4: deaths in this. 163 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: An additional two to three hundred thousand deaths in this country. 164 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: They're still shaming anyone that asks a question. Remember the ivermectino. 165 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: You guys are getting horse to warmers. I mean, the 166 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: list goes on and on. 167 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 6: And by the way, in a subsequent pod we should 168 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 6: play Chris Cuomo when he was called out for his 169 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 6: lying on ivermectin. But it is the corporate media crawled 170 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 6: in bed with Anthony Fauci, crawled in bed with with 171 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 6: with the left wing, dishonest political scientific medical world, and 172 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 6: they just lied to people. And I will say, if 173 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 6: you look at something like COVID vaccines for children, for 174 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 6: children under six, there was zero scientific evidence to back that. 175 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 6: I get why someone who was eighty or ninety, or 176 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 6: even someone who was fifty or sixty made the decision 177 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 6: to get the COVID vaccine because, look, you could make 178 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 6: a rational cost benefit analysis that we don't know everything 179 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 6: about this vaccine. There are risk to it, but we 180 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,439 Speaker 6: also know this is a very infectious disease and they're 181 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 6: particularly for people who are health compromised, it can be 182 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 6: really damaging. And so people who are older could make 183 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 6: a rational decision to get the vaccine for a five 184 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 6: or six year old. I think there was no rational 185 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 6: decision to give a child that because the rate of. 186 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: Fatalities behind that, as there was behind the six foot rule, 187 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: which apparently he's admitted. 188 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:45,439 Speaker 2: Now, yeah, we just kind of made it up. He 189 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 2: just made it up. 190 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 6: And this was all about politics and power, and Fauci 191 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 6: was willing to put politics in power above medicine and science. 192 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,319 Speaker 1: Now, if you want to hear the rest of this conversation, 193 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: you can go back and listen to the full podcasts. 194 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: From earlier this week. Now onto story number two. 195 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 6: The jury was just told, well, if if it could 196 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 6: influence the election, you got to find it's a violation 197 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 6: of law that has flat out false. And they were 198 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 6: not told if Trump had done what Alvin Bragg said 199 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 6: he needed to do, the FEC would have charged him 200 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 6: with a personal use violation with using campaign funds illegally. 201 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 6: The jury didn't know that because the judge didn't want 202 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 6: him to know that. 203 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: And that's why they said you can't come and testify. 204 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 6: Yes, and he also prevented the lawyers from arguing this. 205 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 6: But by the way, so that was one ground. The 206 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 6: other two grounds that could be unlawful means, and you 207 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 6: could have three jurors on one and five on another 208 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 6: and four other like they could mix and match the 209 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 6: other ground. 210 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 2: Have you ever heard of a jury where that was 211 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 2: it okay? This don't think you understand weird that. 212 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: Usually it's you either got to be all in lockstep, yeah, 213 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: or you're not. So it's either your innocent or guilty 214 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: because a twelve agree, and or if they disagree, one 215 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 1: of them disagrees. 216 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 2: We're done. Find the elements of the crime. 217 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,079 Speaker 1: He said, find your own path. 218 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 2: To guilty. Yeah, whatever you want. The objective is guilty. 219 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 6: You come up with however you want to get there, 220 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 6: all right, So one was the federal campaign finance. On 221 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 6: his instructions are wonefully deficient. He only includes part of 222 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 6: the rule. He leaves out the other half, which is 223 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 6: explains why Trump shouldn't have done so. And it would 224 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 6: have been a mistake to do it the way the 225 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 6: prosecutor wanted him to do, and he would have been 226 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 6: charged with it. I mean it would have been he 227 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 6: would have been violating the law to do what Alvin 228 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 6: Bragg is saying he should have done. Another supposed basis 229 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 6: of unlawful means was falsification of other business records. The 230 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 6: second of the people's theories. This is from the jury instruction. 231 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 6: The second of the people's theories of unlawful means, which 232 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 6: I will define for you now, is the falsification of 233 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 6: other business records for purposes of determining whether falsifizing business 234 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 6: to records, and the second degree was an unlawful means 235 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 6: used by a conspiracy to promote or prevent election. Here 236 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 6: you may consider the bank records associated with Michael Cohen's 237 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 6: account formation. The bank records association with Michael Cohens wired 238 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 6: to Keith Davidson, the invoice from Investor Advisory Services, and 239 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 6: the ten ninety nine MISK form of the Trumpet Organization issued 240 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 6: to Michael Cohenes. So, in other words, they're thirty four 241 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 6: counts of false business records. They're all the identical charge. 242 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 6: They just occur thirty four different times, thirty four different 243 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 6: entries in the bookmarks. What he's saying is, you know what, 244 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 6: every one of these is a misdemeanor. But if you 245 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 6: say you made one of these entries to assist in 246 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 6: another of these entries, then they're all felonies. Wow, Like 247 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 6: it is the most circular reasoning that just makes no sense. 248 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 6: And by the way, let's go to the third one, 249 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 6: because the third one just makes me laugh out loud. 250 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 6: The people's third theory of unlawful means, which I will 251 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 6: define for you now, is a violation of tax laws. 252 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 6: Under New York State and New York City law, it 253 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,199 Speaker 6: is unlawful to knowingly supply or submit materially false or 254 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 6: fraudulent information in connection with any tax return. Likewise, under 255 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 6: federal law, it is unlawful for a person to willfully 256 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 6: make any tax return, statement or other document that is 257 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 6: fraudulent or false as at any material matter, or that 258 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 6: the person does not believe to be true and correctess 259 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 6: to every material matter. I listened to this last sentence. 260 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 6: Under these federal, state, and local laws, such conduct is 261 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 6: unlawful even if it does not result in the underpayment 262 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 6: of taxes. So, in other words, he told the jury, 263 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 6: by the way, you can find a violation of tax 264 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 6: laws even if you paid you didn't pay any less taxes, 265 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 6: even if you didn't defraud anyone, even if you're not 266 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 6: using it to cheat on your taxes, if you think 267 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 6: there's something in the tax laws. And by the way, 268 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 6: there is no person on planet Earth who understands all 269 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 6: of the tax laws. You know, there was a book 270 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 6: that was written years ago called three Felonies a Day, 271 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 6: and it argues that all of us living in this 272 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 6: complex world commit three felonies a day. Between tax laws 273 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 6: and environmental laws. There's just so much regulations. If you 274 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 6: are doing anything, if you're filling out a credit card application, 275 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 6: an aggressive prosecutor can find three felonies a day that 276 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 6: Ben Ferguson has committed. In this instance, that jury instruction 277 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 6: says well, if you can figure out if you think 278 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 6: there was. 279 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 2: Any come up with your own theory. Basically, come up 280 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 2: with your own theory. 281 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 6: And by the way, the violation of tax law doesn't 282 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 6: have to have taken a penny of taxes from New 283 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 6: York City, New York State of the federal government. And 284 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 6: if you think there was some amorphous violation of tax 285 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 6: law that didn't result in any underpayment of taxes, suddenly, 286 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 6: presto chanjoh. These misdemeanors that we can't prosecute the statute 287 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 6: of limitations that extended. They're now felonies, and we can 288 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 6: sentence Donald Trump to one hundred years in jail. 289 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 2: One hundred and thirty four years in jail. 290 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: In other words, orange man bad, find your way to 291 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: figure out out how to say he's guilty. 292 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 6: That's exactly what this was all about. This is politics. 293 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 6: It'll get reversed on appeal, but the judge doesn't care. 294 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 6: He knows that The purpose is what Alex Soro said, 295 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 6: The purpose is what Joe Biden said. The purpose is 296 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 6: all the Democrats at all the media get to call 297 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 6: him a felon over and over and over again between 298 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 6: now an election day. This is a five month battle. 299 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 6: It's not a five year battle. The purpose is not 300 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 6: to put Donald Trump in jail. They know that's not 301 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 6: going to happen cost the election they are trying to win. 302 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 6: This is about keeping Joe Biden the Democrats in power 303 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 6: because it's all they care about, and they're willing to 304 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 6: burn the justice system to the ground. 305 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: Center. Final question for you, and this goes back to 306 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: the last podcast. You were conflicted on what Trump's plan 307 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: should be next? Do you go to the Supreme Court? 308 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: Do you try to get their quickly? Is there a 309 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: way to force this case moving forward? Now knowing the 310 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 1: jury instructions and what they were given and most importantly, 311 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: what they had admitted from them, does this open up 312 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: any different legal pathway for the Trump team to say, Okay, 313 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:19,959 Speaker 1: we need to get this scene even quicker. So it 314 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 1: isn't hey, we got what we wanted. We get to 315 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:25,120 Speaker 1: say you're a convicted felon all the way through election day. 316 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: Can this speed up the process or no? 317 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 2: So let me answer that. 318 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 6: But let me answer that in connection to a question 319 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 6: that people ask quite a bit, which is what's the 320 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 6: sentence going to be? We've got the sentence, we know 321 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:37,880 Speaker 6: that is just a few days before the Republican Convention, 322 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 6: and a lot of folks are asking, is the judge 323 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 6: going to sentence Trump to jail time. I think there's 324 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 6: a very real chance the judge sentenced Trump to jail time. 325 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 6: I think this is a vicious partisan. I think he 326 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 6: hates Donald Trump. I think he's willing to abuse his power. 327 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 6: But I will wager large sums of money regardless of 328 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 6: what he sentences him to jail time or something else, 329 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 6: that if if there is incarceration, he will suspend it 330 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,720 Speaker 6: pending appeal. I think that I could see the judge 331 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 6: at sentencing saying I sentence you to four years in 332 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 6: jail or no, No, I don't think he would. I 333 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 6: do think you've got four years for each of these 334 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 6: thirty four. 335 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 2: Counts is the maximum amount. 336 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:23,439 Speaker 6: Typically they would run concurrently, which means they would all 337 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 6: run at the same time. You could run them consecutively, 338 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 6: which is how you get over one hundred years in 339 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 6: any ordinary circumstance. Number One, a judge of Trump's age 340 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 6: that does not have any prior offenses in New York 341 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 6: would never serve a day of jail time in any 342 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 6: other case. I mean, look, you can physically assault someone. 343 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:43,880 Speaker 6: You can repeatedly violently beat people up. You can engage 344 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 6: in all sorts of crimes and not serve jail time 345 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 6: in New York. That being said, I think it's entirely possible. 346 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 6: This judge is enough of a partisan to say, you're 347 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 6: the president, what you did mattered, I'm sentencing you to 348 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 6: four years in jail. I could see him, he would 349 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:02,199 Speaker 6: love that. That would be the crowning moment of his 350 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 6: life to utter those words. 351 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,719 Speaker 1: It also be useful politically, because then not only can 352 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: you say he's convicted felon, but then you say, do 353 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: you want a guy going to the White House, it's 354 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: about to go to jail. 355 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 356 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 6: So what I do not think he will do is 357 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 6: sentenced him to jail and say take him into custody 358 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 6: and put him there right now. He could, but I 359 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 6: think if he did that, it would prompt an immediate 360 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 6: emergency appeal and he would get reversed. I assume this 361 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 6: guy is smart enough to know that he doesn't want 362 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 6: to get reversed, and he especially does not want to 363 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 6: get reversed before election day. He's engaged in politics, so 364 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 6: he's not going to do something. I think that will 365 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 6: prompt an immediate reversal because that undermines the political value 366 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 6: of the charade that he's conducting. So if the sentence 367 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 6: is in prisonment or it could be home confinement. If 368 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 6: the sentence is something like that, I I think he'll 369 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 6: suspend it pending the resolution of the appeal. In that case, 370 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 6: I think the odds are quite high. This appeal will 371 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:10,160 Speaker 6: have to go through the New York state system. First 372 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 6: we talked about in Friday's pod, and by the way, 373 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 6: you should go back and listen to Friday's pod. We 374 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 6: did Friday's pod late Thursday night. We did it on 375 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,880 Speaker 6: the road as I was driving from Dallas to Houston. 376 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 6: It was right after the verdict came down, and it 377 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 6: was analyzing the next steps and in much greater detail 378 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 6: than we have in this pod. And so you ought 379 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 6: to listen to the two pods together. But the ordinary 380 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 6: course of appeal would be to appeal from the trial 381 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,679 Speaker 6: court to the intermediate appellate court in New York in 382 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 6: the state court system, and then if you lose in 383 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 6: the intermediate appellate court, to appeal to the top appellate 384 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 6: court in New York called the New York Court of Appeals, 385 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:50,880 Speaker 6: and then finally, if you lose there, then you could 386 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 6: appeal to the U. S. Supreme Court. That's normally how 387 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 6: a criminal case would proceed. It is possible you can 388 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 6: file an extraordinary writ to ask the US Supreme Court 389 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:05,640 Speaker 6: to intervene right now, but it is very very very rare. 390 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 6: There is a chance, and I'm sure the Trump legal 391 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 6: team is debating this right now. There's a chance the 392 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 6: court would say yes, but I think it's probably unlikely. 393 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 6: I think the court's instinct, particularly if a sentence is suspended, 394 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,679 Speaker 6: if the judge order Trump put in jail, the Supreme 395 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 6: Court would say yes. It would force the court to 396 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 6: say yes. So if the sentence is suspended and Trump 397 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:33,960 Speaker 6: is free to campaign, for you, to debate, for you 398 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 6: to go to the convention, I think the justice's instincts 399 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 6: will be, you know what. The New York state courts 400 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 6: might correct this. The Court of Appeals might reverse this, 401 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 6: The Intermediate Court of Appeals might reverse this. They might 402 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 6: get it right. And there's a long ethos at the court, 403 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 6: which is, if we. 404 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 2: Don't need to act, we don't need to act. 405 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 6: If someone else can fix this, if another level of 406 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 6: the justice system can fix this. 407 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 2: The U. S. 408 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 6: Supreme Court doesn't need to step in. That's their jail approach. 409 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:05,400 Speaker 6: If they were to deny the extraordinary writ, I suspect 410 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 6: you would have some justices right and say something like 411 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 6: there are lots of reasons to be concerned here, but 412 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 6: right now the sentence is suspended. The verdicts can be 413 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 6: overturned on appeal, and so will allow the state proceedings 414 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 6: to go forward. If there was an order of immediate incarceration, 415 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 6: it would force their hands. I think the whole game 416 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 6: here from the DA and from the judge is the 417 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 6: political advantage, not actually sending Trump to jail. They know 418 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:41,199 Speaker 6: these jury instructions will never survive an appeal. If you 419 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 6: had anything resembling fairness in the judicial system, the New 420 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 6: York Courts of Appeals should reverse it. I got to say, 421 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 6: based on the absolute disgrace we just saw play. 422 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 2: Out, I have no confidence of that. 423 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 6: The New York justice system is, I suspect forever a 424 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 6: global laughing stock. And you put this on top of 425 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 6: the prior civil case where they took a half billion dollars, 426 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 6: they're trying to take a half billion dollars from Trump. 427 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 6: The combination the message New York has said is if 428 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 6: we don't like you, if you are politically disfavored, welcome 429 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 6: to communist Cuba. We will treat you the same and 430 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 6: you have the same rights as you would have locked 431 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 6: in a gulac as before. 432 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: If you want to hear the rest of this conversation 433 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,679 Speaker 1: on this topic, you can go back and dow the 434 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,400 Speaker 1: podcast from earlier this week to hear the entire thing. 435 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 1: I want to get back to the big story number 436 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 1: three of the week you may have missed. I want 437 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: to go to the president's speech. Lloyd Austin spoke, and 438 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,439 Speaker 1: then the President spoke, and I actually played some of 439 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 1: that on my show, and I said this at the beginning. 440 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: I said, I always root for the President of the 441 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: United States of America on moments like this, on today's 442 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: like this to have an amazing speech, and I root 443 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 1: for the president always, my president always when it comes 444 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: to national secure issues, especially and when it comes to 445 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: honoring our men and women in uniform. And the President 446 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 1: gave a speech, and I was watching it with the 447 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: best of intentions. I wanted to root for this speech, 448 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: but there were some moments in that speech that caught 449 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 1: me a little bit by surprise, and I wanted to 450 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: know your thoughts on this. There was a couple points 451 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 1: where Biden tried to invoke Ukraine, and he also said this, 452 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: which the media even picked up on. Here's what he 453 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 1: had to say during the speech about democracy in America. 454 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 8: Now, the question for us is in our our trial, 455 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,120 Speaker 8: will we do ours? We're living at a time when 456 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 8: democracy had more risk across the world than a point 457 00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 8: since the end of World War Two, since these beaches 458 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 8: were stormed in nineteen forty four. Now we have to 459 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 8: ask ourselves, will we stand against tyranny, against evil, against 460 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 8: crushing brutality of the iron fist? Will we stand for freedom? 461 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 8: We defend democracy? We stand together? My answer is yes, 462 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 8: all we can be yes. 463 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,880 Speaker 1: That was an interesting point for me because he said 464 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,160 Speaker 1: democracy is more at risk now than at any point since 465 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 1: World War Two. He talked about it on a domestic side, 466 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: which was implying I think Donald Trump is a threat 467 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: to democracy, and then he implied it with obviously Russia 468 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,959 Speaker 1: and Ukraine. And I wanted your reaction to that. 469 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:37,679 Speaker 9: You know, I'm going to say, this is an interesting 470 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 9: example of having a different reaction to something when you're 471 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 9: physically there versus watching it on TV or watching it 472 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:53,400 Speaker 9: on Twitter. Look, I know, on the way after the speech, 473 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,399 Speaker 9: like looking at Twitter and people's reactions, I know people 474 00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 9: are upset that they view Biden asizing. I got to say, 475 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 9: it didn't feel that political being there in person, and 476 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 9: and and maybe it's because frankly, you're paying attention to 477 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 9: the veterans and the heroes you're in front of, and 478 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 9: it's so dominated things that you know what Biden said, 479 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 9: I barely paid attention to it, like it was not 480 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 9: it wasn't the dominant events of the day. And you know, 481 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 9: it was fine, he said, Okay, you know what was 482 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 9: actually stood out much more to me than anything Biden said. 483 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:32,679 Speaker 1: Who was that was? 484 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 9: But prone did something that was really cool, which is 485 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 9: he awarded the French Legion of Honor to It was 486 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:48,880 Speaker 9: about eight or ten American gis and and he, you know, 487 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 9: he and each of them, you know, they were almost 488 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,040 Speaker 9: all the wheelchairs. Each of them would stand for it, 489 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 9: and they're teetering and they'd have someone helping them, but 490 00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 9: they wanted to stand and he would pin on their 491 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,400 Speaker 9: chest the friend legion of Honor that I wasn't expecting, 492 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 9: And that was just powerful. That was just like he 493 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 9: was literally and then it was funny Macron would lean 494 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,360 Speaker 9: in and he would kiss them on both cheeks as 495 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 9: the French way. You could kind of see these old 496 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 9: dudes being like, hey, why is this French guy kissing? 497 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 9: But you know it's your big awarded the French Legion 498 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 9: of Honor. That's a pretty damn big deal. And you 499 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:28,439 Speaker 9: think about it for someone who was nineteen and was 500 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 9: right there, I mean, understand, we're doing this like right 501 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 9: next to the beaches where they saw their friends die, 502 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 9: right next to the beaches where I'm going to have 503 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 9: to assume that was the most hellish day they've ever experienced, 504 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 9: or was certainly one of them, although those that continue 505 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 9: to fight in the war there may have been others 506 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 9: that rivaled it. But you know, you think about it. 507 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 9: Imagine being one hundred years old and the president of 508 00:27:54,560 --> 00:28:01,479 Speaker 9: France thanking you for liberating France and pinning the Legion 509 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,879 Speaker 9: of Honor on your chest. It was most of us 510 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 9: had tears in our eyes during this. 511 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: Anthony Blincoln came out afterwards. He did an interview from 512 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: Normandy with the backdrop behind him of many of the 513 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: heroes and the crosses of those tombstones of somebody that 514 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 1: lost their lives. He had this to say, Mark in 515 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 1: the eightieth anniversary of D Day, and I want to 516 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:28,160 Speaker 1: get your reaction. 517 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 10: And joining us now from Normandy, the United States Secretary 518 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 10: of State Anthony Blincoln, thank you very much for joining 519 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 10: us here on morning. 520 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 6: Joe. 521 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 10: What should our allies and enemies take away from the 522 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 10: President's speech this morning in Normandy? 523 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 11: The same resolve that the extraordinary men and women that 524 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 11: were celebrating today showed then, he's showing now. Because they 525 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 11: did what they did, we're here today and we not 526 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 11: only have we responsibility to honor what they did, but 527 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 11: the real way to honor it is to make sure 528 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 11: that we're good in our time, in our moment, in 529 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 11: standing up to the challenges that we face. And one 530 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 11: of those we see now is aggression from Russia, not 531 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 11: only against Ukraine, but against the very principles at the 532 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 11: heart of the international system that were put in place 533 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 11: after World War Two to try to make sure that 534 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 11: we didn't have another World war, that we maintained peace 535 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 11: and security. And President's determined to make sure we're standing 536 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 11: up today just as they stood up eighty years ago. 537 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 10: And the President talked about Ukraine as one of the 538 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 10: current challenges that exemplify the fight against dark forces that 539 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 10: never fade, and he made another, yet another commitment. He 540 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 10: reinforced the commitment to Ukraine. And by the way, if 541 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 10: I may, we're watching live pictures right now of President 542 00:29:53,800 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 10: Biden and the First Lady walking through the cemetery in Normandy, France. 543 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 10: And as we look at these pictures which really symbolize 544 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 10: the losses eighty years ago on d Day, and talk 545 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 10: about the losses that Ukraine is incurring right now from 546 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 10: the same type of aggression, the President did say that 547 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 10: the support for Ukraine would continue, that we will be 548 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 10: there for Ukraine. How does that parallel with some of 549 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 10: the reticents we have seen in Washington that actually delayed 550 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 10: the much needed aid Ukraine needed to push back against 551 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 10: Russian aggression. 552 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 11: Well, you don't make it that age should have gotten 553 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 11: there a long time ago. But I'm glad it's there 554 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 11: now and it's making a difference every single day. We're 555 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 11: pushing it out to the front lines, making sure the 556 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 11: Ukrainians who need it against this Russian aggression have it 557 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 11: and can use it. But you know, there's a really 558 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,479 Speaker 11: powerful parallel too, between what we're commemorating today and what 559 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 11: we're doing now. Back then, it wasn't just the United States. 560 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 11: Here in Normandy, Twelve countries came together, one hundred and 561 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 11: sixty thousand men coming to this beach, coming to start 562 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 11: the final fight that ultimately, eleven months later led to 563 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 11: victory in World War Two. 564 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 2: In Ukraine, we have more than. 565 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 11: Fifty countries standing up, standing together, making sure that Ukraine 566 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 11: has what it needs to defend itself and to push 567 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 11: back this aggression. And that's the power of our alliances. 568 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 11: And that's the biggest difference maker we have in the world. 569 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 11: Our adversaries are competitors. They don't have the same kind 570 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 11: of voluntary alliances. Yeah, sometimes they course countries into helping them, 571 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 11: or maybe they pay them off. Here we have country 572 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 11: after country that volunteers to stand together, stand together in 573 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 11: defensive principles that we share and no need defending. 574 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 3: We're seeing that in Ukraine. 575 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 11: We saw that eighty years ago here in Normandy. 576 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: You listened to that. It was very clear that NBC 577 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 1: was wanting to make that and Blincoln wanted to make 578 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: that connection. And this deals with the reality of foreign 579 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: policy center. He said, it is exact quote, there's a 580 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: really powerful pairer between D Day and the Ukraine War. 581 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 9: He had, no, there's not. That's Look, this White House 582 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 9: does all politics all the time. It's what they do. 583 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 9: They spin, spin, spin, and the two are fundamentally different. 584 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 9: You know. I wish they would treat a solemn commemoration 585 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 9: like this for what it is, a solemn commemoration, and 586 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 9: not treat it as another day in politics. Now, I 587 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 9: will say President Zolensky was there, He was at the events, 588 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 9: and so that did add some of the focus to it. 589 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 9: And actually I think tomorrow we're maybe sitting down a 590 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 9: meeting with prensident Elynsky and listen, I agree that we 591 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 9: want Russia to loose, that Russia is our enemy. Now, 592 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 9: Vladimir Kutin is not Adolf Hilery. He's our enemy, but 593 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,920 Speaker 9: he doesn't have to concentrate cancer. He's murdering six million 594 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 9: people right now. He is our enemy and he does 595 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 9: not wish us well. And so I think Vladimir Putin 596 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 9: is a KG because it's an America's interest for Russia 597 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 9: to lose. But and we've talked about this at great 598 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 9: length on the pods. It is Joe Biden's fault and 599 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 9: Tony B. Lincoln's fault. The Ukraine War happened in the 600 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 9: first place. Joe Biden gave multi billion dollar gifts to 601 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 9: Vladimir Putin when he weighs sanctions on the North String 602 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 9: two pipeline sanctions that I authored. I wrote the legislation, 603 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 9: wrote them into law, and Putin stopped building that pipeline 604 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 9: the day President Trump signed my sanctioned legislation in the law. 605 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,600 Speaker 9: If Biden had not weighed those sanctions, the war in 606 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 9: Ukraine would not have happened. If Donald Trump were still 607 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 9: in the White House, the war in Ukraine would not 608 00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 9: have happened. It's Joe Biden's weakness that caused the war 609 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 9: in Ukraine. And by the way, as much as Biden 610 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 9: and Blincoln want to see themselves as Churchill and Fdr, 611 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,319 Speaker 9: if there isn't, If there is a World War Two analogy, 612 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 9: then Biden is Neville Chamberlain. He is the one who 613 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,319 Speaker 9: is weak. He is the appeaser. He is the one 614 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,759 Speaker 9: who gave billions to Russia. He is the one who 615 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:25,840 Speaker 9: gives billions to Iran. He's the one that constantly shows 616 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 9: weakness to our enemies, which is why we went from 617 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 9: peace and prosperity when he inherited three and a half 618 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 9: years ago to two simultaneous wars playing out across the 619 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 9: face of the globe. And look, I'm glad Biden says 620 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 9: he stands for freedom against tyranny. He can't seem to 621 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,919 Speaker 9: figure that out in Israel because he's blocking weapons going 622 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 9: to Israel and at the same time blowing money to 623 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 9: Iran that goes to Hamams, and so when it comes 624 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 9: to freedom and tyranny, he manages to be on the 625 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 9: wrong site of that. 626 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,720 Speaker 1: An awful lots Yeah, no doubt about it. I'm really 627 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 1: thankful that you got to be there and we got 628 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:12,200 Speaker 1: to talk about this and honor our our amazing brave 629 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,719 Speaker 1: men who went and fought and the women that were 630 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:16,760 Speaker 1: involved as well. 631 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,880 Speaker 9: By the way, you know who I met, I met 632 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 9: the original Rosie. 633 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,319 Speaker 2: The Riveter No way, no way. 634 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,399 Speaker 9: That was really cool. She's like one hundred years old, 635 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 9: but she was the original Rosie the Riveter in in 636 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 9: those ads, you know, drumming up support for the military, 637 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 9: and that was very cool. 638 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,480 Speaker 1: As always, thank you for listening to Verdict with Center. 639 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 1: Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you don't forget to deal 640 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,280 Speaker 1: with my podcast, and you can listen to my podcast 641 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,319 Speaker 1: every other day you're not listening to Verdict or each 642 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,840 Speaker 1: day when you listen to Verdict. Afterwards, I'd love to 643 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 1: have you as a listener to again the Ben Ferguson podcasts, 644 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 1: and we will see you back here on Monday morning.