1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,520 Speaker 1: The last thing's gonna say is this, there is no 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: light at the end of the tunnel. There is no light. 3 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:10,399 Speaker 1: There's a song Metallica has no leaf clover, and it says, man, 4 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: when it comes to the soothing light at the end 5 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 1: of your tunnel, it's just a freight train coming your way. 6 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: If you're seeing a light, it's a freight train. Just 7 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: put your head down and go to work. It's about 8 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: to be fun, man, It's about to be fun, you know. 9 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: I never felt comfortable around the Metallica kids growing up. 10 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: When I was in junior high, in elementary school, they 11 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 1: were the toughs and the provocative tour and album t 12 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: shirts my mom would never let me wear. In high school, 13 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: they were the teammates on the baseball team who never smiled. 14 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: There was a general intensity and worldview that intimidated me. 15 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: So I stayed away classic adolescents defense mechanism, Stay away 16 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 1: and they can't hurt you. But then I watched Dan 17 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: Campbell in the Hard Knocks premiere, all the emotion pouring 18 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: out of that man, all the layers, and I'm starting 19 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,759 Speaker 1: to think maybe I was wrong to try to put 20 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 1: the Metallica kids in a box. Maybe I had the 21 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: Metallica kids wrong this whole time, well some of them. 22 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: Welcome to the first ever Hard Knocks podcast. I am 23 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 1: Dan Kansas and for the next five weeks, we will 24 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: take the journey through Detroit Lions training camp thanks to 25 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: the greatest football documentary series ever created, the off fore 26 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: mentioned Hard Knocks. And I say we because I will 27 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: not be alone. My co host in this venture. The 28 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: Deuce Staley to my errand Glenn, the Tiny Bucks to 29 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: my tug boat. It's Colleen Wolf, Connie Dan Campbell is 30 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: a star and so are you. I love it. I 31 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: am so excited to talk about this. This season is 32 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: going to be so good. This first episode had so 33 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: many things to talk about. Yeah, it really was a 34 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 1: great start too. I believe the sixteenth season seventeenth season 35 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: actually of Hard Knocks, which is pretty hard to believe. 36 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: And you know, we had talked about Connie and you 37 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: and I go way back, and I've been working together 38 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 1: for a better part of a decade. For the last 39 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 1: ten years, I handled all the Hard Knocks recap write 40 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: ups on NFL dot com. But you and I always 41 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: wanted to do this a podcast where we watched the 42 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: show and reacted day of got it out to the 43 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: people who could also experience the show and talk about it. 44 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 1: So this is kind of a fun thing for you 45 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: and I and around the NFL listeners who have to 46 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: know both of us through the years. I'd say this 47 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: is a dream come true. I mean, it's been so 48 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: many years we've been talking about this, and I consider 49 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: myself an expert because I've watched the show for so 50 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: long and I've read all of your recaps, So like, 51 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 1: while you were working, I was watching the show and 52 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: like maybe having a cocktail and making my own notes 53 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: that would go nowhere, and now they can go somewhere, 54 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:27,639 Speaker 1: which is really nice. That is excellent, and the NFL 55 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: dot com recap game goes on. I passed the torch 56 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: to Brendan Walker. So after you listen to this show, 57 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: head over to NFL dot com and check out Brendan's 58 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: thoughts on episode one. UH. Studying the Detroit Lines with Yes, 59 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: Dan Campbell Dan Tallica. He was known during his playing 60 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: days as Dan Talica for his obsession with the heavy 61 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: metal band Metallica. And yes, there is an intensity to Campbell. 62 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: We see it kind of you see it right away 63 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: in that cold open. We played a portion of it 64 00:03:57,680 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: here at the top of the show before, of course, 65 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: and what a score this is. And thank you to 66 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: Ken Rodgers and everybody in NFL Films for hooking us 67 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: up the David Robido iconic Hard Knocks theme. We see, 68 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: Connie that the intensity that Campbell brings is shared throughout 69 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: that roster. And also the vibes, Connie, the vibes that 70 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: they are good, They are so good. So I feel 71 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: like even just the opening scene when Dan Campbell walks 72 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: in the room, just the way that he walks, and 73 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: I know that we were talking recently on the Around 74 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: the NFL podcast about was it West that was obsessed 75 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:39,359 Speaker 1: with people's gates, like how they walked melously In fact, 76 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: I wonder what he would think about Dan Campbell's gate 77 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: because the way that he walked in with his arms swinging, 78 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: it was almost like a march in a way, and 79 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 1: I felt like it was a very commanding stance that 80 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: he had, and it goes along. It's very on brand, 81 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: like it goes along with his voice and the whole 82 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: thing with him talking about viously in Metallica and the 83 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 1: fact that it comes full circle in the episode because 84 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: they play the song at the very end of the 85 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: episode you knew was coming if you watched enough Hard Knocks. 86 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: He knew No Leaf Clover is coming. And they did 87 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: not disappoint. The music department in the show never does No. 88 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: That's the thing. Like, the music is so good, the 89 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: cinematography is so good, and the fact that we get 90 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: to hear all of these coaches actually saying what they 91 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: think and swearing. It's so raw. It feels like something 92 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 1: that I shouldn't be allowed to watch. And that's why 93 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 1: I like it so much. But Dan Campbell is obviously 94 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 1: a star, and we knew he was going to be, 95 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 1: and there were so many things, so many little things 96 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 1: that happened throughout the show, and I just feel like 97 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: he's kind of an artist because no one paints a 98 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: better picture than him. In this entire episode, when he's 99 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: talking about how he'll play guys anywhere on grass on turf, uh, 100 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 1: they'll go to a landfill, he said, it doesn't matter. 101 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter if you have one ass, cheek and 102 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: three toes, I'll beat your ass. What does that mean, 103 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: by the way, can you help me with that? I 104 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: was trying to figure that, And of course we know 105 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 1: Campbell famously is all into body parts and breaking them 106 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 1: down in battle. But I'm curious, wouldn't it mean that 107 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: so he's saying it doesn't matter if you have one 108 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: ass cheek and three toes. Wouldn't it wouldn't make more 109 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 1: sense if he was the one that was down to 110 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: one butt cheek and three toes and he would still 111 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: beat your ass. Wouldn't it be kind of messed up 112 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: for him to just tear up a dude with half 113 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: an ass and three edit toes like that one got. 114 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: I don't know if he mixed it up, you know, 115 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 1: we all do that sometimes, but it still was a 116 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,919 Speaker 1: provocative thought. I did think about that after the fact, 117 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: and I was wondering, like, maybe if he went, I 118 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 1: don't care if you have three ass cheeks and like 119 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: seventeen toes, I'll beat your ass because at that point 120 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: then there's some type of competitive advantage if you have 121 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 1: extra toes that you're able to, you know, weaponize at 122 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 1: this point. And he's no, he's huge on animal analogies 123 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 1: and sometimes the metaph wars getting mixed. Um. He had 124 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: a speech at Lion's Scrimmage last week that I thought 125 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 1: might make its way into this episode, but I think 126 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 1: it got so played up in social that they didn't 127 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: use it. Where he says, you know, watch out hyenas. Okay, 128 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: lions hyenas. Uh. He called another player a serpent, and 129 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: then he at the beginning of today's episode. Tonight's episode 130 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: he talked about now you're a sea creature, like pulling 131 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: out your victims to see to drown them. Like he's 132 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: very big, He's all over the place, Dan Campbell with 133 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: his animal metaphors. But I see what we're going for, 134 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: just like the idea, and maybe this is to bring 135 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: it back all to the same place like in in 136 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: nature it you know, a lion does not care if 137 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:47,119 Speaker 1: it's prey is walked up, you know, if it's missing 138 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: body parts and it's not a fair fight, he will 139 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: savagely destroy you. Maybe that's where it's at. I don't know. 140 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: Did we get there? Maybe I think so because I 141 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: enjoyed the ocean metaphor that he went with and the 142 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: any scene and I don't know if we have a 143 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: clip of that, but let's let's listen to the ocean 144 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: that port it's it's not a lion, right because a 145 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: lion that can't be in the ocean, so now where 146 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: Now the lions are a different creature, but the point 147 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: will hold. Let's listen to it, justin grave of our producer. 148 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: They're dangerous man. You just got to get ahold of him. Though. 149 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: If you could just get ahold of him and you 150 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: start dragging the rest out to the deep dark abyss, 151 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: you can drown him. I mean it's hard core, but 152 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: the players, you kind of, the players love it. You 153 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: can tell that the players love it. They do because 154 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,719 Speaker 1: he followed that quote up by saying, that's who we 155 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 1: gotta be, will tread water as long as it takes 156 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: before we fucking bury you. And I was like, let's go, 157 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: and I'm on like a plane and I'm trying to 158 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 1: keep it cool and it's not happening. I know that 159 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: he says a lot of things that are sometimes weird, 160 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: but they're also wonderful in a way because you just 161 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 1: don't get anything like this from anyone else in the league. No, 162 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: he's such a He's a breath of fresh air and 163 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: grave during maybe maybe check in with standards and practices, 164 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: uh to see because hard knocks, the cursing is all there. 165 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: None of it's bleeped, maybe we don't have to be believed, 166 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 1: just maybe something to check in with you're I mean, 167 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: but you're so right about Campbell and you have to 168 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: go back as a and we're both hard knocks students 169 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: of the show. Um, you gotta go back to to 170 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: me the Rex Ryan season with the Jets in two 171 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: thousand and ten to see, uh, to find a season 172 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 1: where it's it seems so clear who was the star 173 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: of the show in terms of it's the head coach. 174 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:41,839 Speaker 1: And I think that is something that we took out 175 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: of this first episode and we're gonna get to all 176 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: the different things that we kind of were into, uh 177 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: in episode one, ending with We're gonna have some m 178 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 1: v P voting um on episode one, uh. And I 179 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: think Dan Campbell is going to be on both our ballots, Connie. 180 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: So I've just excited to see where this Campbell journey 181 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: takes us over the next five weeks, because it felt 182 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:09,559 Speaker 1: like it was just warming up. I have just like 183 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:14,439 Speaker 1: an entire section of Campbell takeaways, like things that I 184 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: just in its own category. I feel like cameras could 185 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: just follow him around the whole time. But there are 186 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: so many different sides to Dan Campbell, Like, it's not 187 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: just the one who has all of the metaphors and 188 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: is screaming at practice. Like. I like the fact that 189 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:31,839 Speaker 1: he's able to laugh at himself too. At one point 190 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: during the show, he was talking about how his foot 191 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: got stuck in his dog gate at home and he 192 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 1: fell and so then his wrist was all messed up, 193 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: but he was still back to do updowns with the team. 194 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,559 Speaker 1: Like the fact that he cares so much about everyone too. 195 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:47,679 Speaker 1: I love yeah, and the updowns. You know, that was 196 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 1: pretty intense, and it did make me think how you 197 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: see so many coaches in the NFL, and I get 198 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: it because the same thing happens for me covering the NFL. 199 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 1: Can't imagine what it is for these guys. The hours 200 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:00,679 Speaker 1: they put in you see, the what happens with their 201 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:04,839 Speaker 1: bodies from August to January. Uh, the long hours, the 202 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: bad eating habits. That's not gonna happen to Dan Campbell, 203 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:11,559 Speaker 1: who's doing a hundred updowns in practice in August in 204 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: a hundred degrees uh and heavy humidity. But you're right, 205 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 1: the players clearly, UM love this dude, And I thought 206 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: you really saw that after Campbell, we saw the first 207 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: padded practice, and Campbell stops practice at the or at 208 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: the end of practice. He shares disappointment that things the 209 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: intensity wasn't quite quite where it needed to be, and 210 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: he explained that he knows petted practices might seem intense 211 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: at this stage, but they're so important given you need 212 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 1: to be ready, and it helps you actually even though 213 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: you're it's they're so intense, be ready and healthy for 214 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 1: when real games begin and you're getting hit for real. 215 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 1: And that all made sense, and then here comes Jamal Williams, 216 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: the really promising young running back for the Lions, who 217 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 1: is clearly you can imagine a favorite of Dan Campbell. 218 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 1: And this is how after Campbell leaves um, Jamal gets 219 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 1: the team together and follows up on the coach's point, 220 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 1: do not give up. Do not feel like you're tired. 221 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: Were you tired? Take a last year and thinking that 222 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: fucking record and he was just getting started. Uh. Kind 223 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: of the emotions were flowing emotions everywhere in these lines. 224 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: Everybody's great when they're not tired. The champions is when 225 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: they tired. That's when the real champions come out. That's 226 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,559 Speaker 1: when the real dog come out. Because if you go 227 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: piss like a puppy. Stay on the parts and let 228 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: the black dog see. Let him on the field, have 229 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: some hard I get them about it. I'm about to cry. 230 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: Don't care about y'all. Last year, wasn't it last year? Yeah? 231 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: I mean I agree. For this year, I'm trying to 232 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: be better for y'all. When you say I'm tired, I'm 233 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: gonna keep calling. Remember your why, Remember why you play football. 234 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:56,559 Speaker 1: I want trying to give everything you got every day 235 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 1: like that. You at one point you hear is team. 236 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: It's like, oh, okay, this is going next level. And 237 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 1: by the end there it is Connie, yes, sir, everybody 238 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: was buying in Williams's passion. It's just you can hear 239 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: the sheer desperation of a guy that does not want 240 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: to experience what he went through last year. The anguish 241 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 1: is still so raw and palpable. And just the fact 242 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 1: that he was able to conjure up that passion in 243 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: that moment and he was screaming so passionately that he 244 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: started to cry like I honestly I can relate to that. Uh. 245 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: And that is a moment where you can really see 246 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:40,439 Speaker 1: his connection with the team and how much he cares 247 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: he's going to be a star, Like, there's going to 248 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 1: be plenty more moments from him coming up. Absolutely, he's 249 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 1: definitely in the running for Hard Knocks m v P. 250 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: And this is the official Hard Knocks podcast. We've been great. 251 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: We were given up the NFL Official Hard Knocks podcast, 252 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 1: the NFL's official Hard Knocks What is that different than 253 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 1: is there another official Hard Knocks podcast? There's not, but 254 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 1: they asked if we would refer to it as the 255 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:06,839 Speaker 1: NFL's official Hard Knocks podcast that comes from HBO. Alright, 256 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 1: the NFL's official Hard Knox podcast. I like it. I'm 257 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 1: pushing for it. It's official the jacket. Maybe maybe we 258 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: can get like some hard knocks. Yeah, like a varsity 259 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: let's work on the swag. Justin by the end of 260 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: the five weeks. But yeah, so you see you see 261 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: Jamal Williams buy an in, and you see the other 262 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: players buy and then like I was saying, the vibes 263 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: are good around this team. I mean, it's a Hard 264 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: Knocks trope. Certainly going inside the meeting room and seeing 265 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: the first round pick, in this case, number two overall pick, 266 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: Aiden Hutchinson get up and perform a song he has 267 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: to share a signing bonus, which is twenty three million dollars. 268 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: We can do we could do a whole podcast. Connie 269 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: just on Aidan Hutchinson's like out of Central Casting, perfect family. 270 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: But oh my god. But then he goes up and 271 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: he performs Billy Jean, and I was thinking, I'm watching 272 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: all these kids. They're all born in the early two 273 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: thousand's at this point, many of them, and they know 274 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: every word of Billy Gean. I'm like, oh, Michael Jackson. 275 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: I guess it's like the Beatles for this younger generation 276 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: of people, so you just know it. But anyway, beside 277 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: the point, the the excitement of everyone's singing the chorus together. 278 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: We've watched that a hundred times on Hard Knocks. I 279 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: don't remember ever seeing a room explode and be that 280 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: in that together. Uh. As the Billy Jean performs by 281 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: Aidan Hutchinson, the entire room lit up like the way 282 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: that everyone hyped him I haven't seen ever before. And 283 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: I thought that it was really smart that he chose 284 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: that song. I'm sure he likes it, but also a 285 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: song that is iconic, even if it isn't like of 286 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: the time. Right now, that that that song is everyone. 287 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: Everyone has heard it at a bar, and I feel 288 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: like everyone it's a fun song to play along to, 289 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: sing along to, dance along too. That's a smart move 290 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 1: to get the room involved by like a song that 291 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: everyone can kind of like get down to. So that. 292 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: I love the fact too that he was so confident 293 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: that he messed up in the beginning, and it was 294 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: so cute because he starts laughing at himself and he's 295 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: so embarrassed. You can tell he's in front of this 296 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: whole room. They start like booing him. But it's all 297 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: about how he recovers, and that's like anything in life. 298 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: You're going to mess up, but you can really tell 299 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: what people are about how they recover when they do 300 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: mess up. And everyone just leaned in the way that 301 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: he hit that chorus, Like I rewatched it a couple 302 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: of times. Everyone bought in on that. I mean, he 303 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: was out of key, he had very little grasps of 304 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: the melody, but it didn't matter because everybody was along 305 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: for the ride. And I think, like going back to 306 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: the Metallica kids growing up, one of the things that 307 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: I always intimidated me is that they never seemed that 308 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: they took themselves so seriously, and and Aidan Hutchinson could 309 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: as a number two overall pick be a very serious 310 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: guy and say I'm not going along with any of 311 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: this stuff. But clearly he's not. He's not afraid to 312 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: be kind of the butt of the joke when it's 313 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 1: all in good fun. Billy Billy Jean, by the way, 314 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:09,159 Speaker 1: came out in two so forty years ago. In that 315 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:13,160 Speaker 1: entire room knew this song. We also saw Malcolm Rodriguez 316 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: Um out of Oklahoma State, his signing bonus one hundred 317 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: thousand dollars, a little bit difference. He puts on I 318 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: believe some Mexican music and guess what, his dancing is 319 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 1: pretty good. And the vibes were there too, so uh 320 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: everything we heard the grit and they that's something they 321 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 1: have leaned in, leaned into. It's even on the wall 322 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 1: at Lion's headquarter in the meeting the room like the 323 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: grit and the togetherness of the team is there um 324 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:42,880 Speaker 1: and what happens always for me, Connie, and I don't 325 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: know about you, I always buy in on the Hard 326 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 1: Knocks team. They always sucked me in. By the end 327 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: of the five weeks, to the point where I'm in. 328 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, thirteen and four, I'll see in the 329 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 1: championship game, like and we're we're on our way. I mean, 330 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: I don't know if there's enough talent on this roster 331 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: to get them to jump from three wins to playoff positioning, 332 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: but you could tell this is a team that is 333 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: going to play together, fight together, and get better with 334 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:10,919 Speaker 1: a better roster, which they do. This is to me 335 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: like a playoff team watching watching Hard Knocks. They go 336 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 1: from the basement too. They're going to the super Bowl. 337 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 1: And that's how it happens. Every single year I end 338 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 1: up like drafting players from my fantasy team and it 339 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 1: never works out. Ever, it's I'm never right about this, 340 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 1: but I don't care because I enjoy the ride so much. So. Also, 341 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 1: before we move on from Hudge, I'm gonna call him Huch. 342 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 1: Now we're talking about his family real quick, because the 343 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 1: family dynamic, the family alone, I was even thinking about 344 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: maybe having the whole family as an m v P vote. Um. 345 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 1: First of all, they're all gorgeous, um beautiful human beings 346 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 1: and like supportive of each other and really happy. It's 347 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 1: like really nice to see that. I feel like that 348 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: is maybe not something that is normal and that everyone 349 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: goes through, or maybe that's just me. But um, I 350 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: think that when the story that his mom was telling 351 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:09,640 Speaker 1: about the fact that she found that picture of him 352 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 1: when he was little wearing the Lions jersey, like right 353 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: before the draft, and she put it in her purse 354 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,199 Speaker 1: and said, how you know if he ended up not 355 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 1: getting drafted to the Lions, that she was going to 356 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 1: be sobbing on television and it wasn't going to be 357 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 1: like happy tears. It was going to be actual grief, 358 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: so that we all knew he was going to the 359 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: Lions basically from the end of the two thousand one 360 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:38,199 Speaker 1: uh calendar year. Yeah, the cynical New Yorker and me 361 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: wants to be like, yeah, they're so perfect and so beautiful, 362 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 1: but I bet there's all sorts of ugliness behind the scenes. 363 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: Like now probably not. Their house is probably amazing. It 364 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:48,879 Speaker 1: was a sunny day when they did that interview. I 365 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:52,360 Speaker 1: bet the lunch was served was delicious, the lemonade was perfect. 366 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: Everyone is absolutely beautiful. It just feels like a family 367 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:00,080 Speaker 1: that was straight out of Central Casting. So good it 368 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: for Hutch and the Hutch Gang. Love it. Love the 369 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: hutch Gang. They were all very blessed um and I 370 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 1: wonder if we'll see more of them. All right, let's 371 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:12,120 Speaker 1: take a quick break before we get to our awards. 372 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:15,480 Speaker 1: Are m v P voting? Anything else that stood out 373 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: to us in episode one of Hard Knocks the Detroit 374 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 1: Lions Training camp with the Detroit Lions On this the 375 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: official NFL official podcast. What is the title? We're working 376 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: with the NFL's Official Hard Knocks podcast. All right, let's 377 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: take a break. All right, Connie, we're back. I want 378 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: to talk some favorite quotes. Top quotes of episode one 379 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: of Hard Knocks Training Camp with the Detroit Lions. Do 380 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: you want to get it going? Yes? Yes, Okay. So 381 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of the coaching staff vibes that 382 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: are there. I love the way that Dan Campbell and 383 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: the Lions have assembled the coaching staff with so many 384 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:03,719 Speaker 1: former players Antoine Randall, l Aaron Glenn, Do Staley, Hank Frailey. 385 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many good players on that team 386 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: on that staff now. And Do Staley it's not just 387 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: because he was an Eagle. He really stole a lot 388 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: of those scenes. And one of my favorite scenes was 389 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: when he was talking about how we have to graduate 390 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: as men and be able to look at the guy 391 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: next to us and say I love you, and it 392 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: just means you care about them. The fact that you 393 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 1: have Dan Campbell talking about drowning people out in the 394 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 1: ocean and then Do Staley talking telling them to tell 395 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 1: each other I love you, and that's the dynamic of 396 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: this team that I just can't get enough of. But 397 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: the coaching staff and Do Staley in particular, when he 398 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: was talking about that I love you, he goes, hey, gee, 399 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: I love you man. I want to puck you up 400 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 1: in between the lines, but I love you man, like 401 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:55,439 Speaker 1: that's real, even like he said I love you, And 402 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,880 Speaker 1: then the beginning of the follow up sentence like through 403 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: me for a loop, just it was like a phrasing situation. 404 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: But then he finished sentence and I was like, Okay, 405 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: that makes sense. I got a little weird for a 406 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,719 Speaker 1: second there. And there was that whole montage of them 407 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: just talking trash to each other, and it was both 408 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,199 Speaker 1: playful and agitating somehow at the same time. Do you 409 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 1: think that was played up for the camera? Do you 410 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: think they're really like that? I was, I was. I 411 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: try not again, I try not to be a cynical 412 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 1: person um, but these guys know there's a thousand cameras 413 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: around them and everyone's miked up. I wanted to be 414 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: that way. I want deucon A g t be going 415 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 1: at it at all times. But I'm just curious if 416 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 1: it might be a J. J. Watt working out at 417 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: loan at midnight at Houston, Texans headquarters with no one 418 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: else there. But the lights don't don't crush my dreams 419 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 1: all real I think too, because the fact that they played, 420 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,640 Speaker 1: and they were players, and that's probably how they were 421 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: on the field, so it's probably natural for them like 422 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: that that it seems like offense versus defense, there's a 423 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: lot of tension even if the spirits are good. Did 424 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 1: you guys think it was kind of weird that Deuce 425 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,159 Speaker 1: Staley was sort of acting as the offensive coordinator in 426 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: that whole practice period, like where is the cord? The 427 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: offensive coordinator is a man named Ben Johnson. This is 428 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: his first year in the role for the Lions. He 429 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,359 Speaker 1: was the tight ends coach for the last two years, 430 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 1: so just weird he was absent from the whole episode. 431 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: I wonder if like Ben Johnson's family like shot him 432 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 1: text after this, Like, I know Deuce is technically not 433 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 1: just the running backs coaches assistant head coach, but I 434 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: think he's kind of in your territory and maybe Ben, 435 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 1: this week in practice, you're gonna have to lean into 436 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 1: the cameras and show who you are because it really 437 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,439 Speaker 1: is like, and that's joking, but in seriousness, there is 438 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:46,919 Speaker 1: a Um Hard Knocks. Everyone watches the show, all the 439 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 1: coaches in front office people in the league. It does 440 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: give you a platform to kind of pitch yourself for 441 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 1: that next job. And if you're OC, the next job 442 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: is a big chair. So Ben, listen, get to work, dude, 443 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 1: be or ganic, but don't be afraid of the cameras 444 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: because Deuce is bringing it. You gotta be natural. People 445 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: can spot a fraud and that's Deuce. That is his personality. 446 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: Like even when he was circling Aaron Glenn like a 447 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 1: vulture and was laughing about it like he I think 448 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: is just a ham but I think he's also someone 449 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 1: who has head coaching aspirations. So it just works and 450 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,199 Speaker 1: it is it is fitting Connie that me the lifelong 451 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,159 Speaker 1: um Troubled Jets fan, Aaron Glenn was one of the 452 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 1: great cornerbacks in Jets history. I always loved Glenn as 453 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:39,199 Speaker 1: a player and do Staley, Oh beloved running back for 454 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: your Philadelphia Eagles. Isn't that That's just cute. It's just cute, 455 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 1: isn't it. I like it. It seems like it was 456 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: just meant to be meant for us to do this pod. 457 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,919 Speaker 1: Let's see, let me get another quote in there? What 458 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: did I like? All right? How about more Jamal Williams. 459 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 1: Love Jamal Williams. I love his vibe of his energy. 460 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 1: I love him as a player too. By the way, um, 461 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,919 Speaker 1: and I love a trope of hard knocks. Is you know? 462 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: Bodily functions are discussed on the show because when a 463 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,959 Speaker 1: bunch of dudes are together, these things come up. And 464 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 1: when Jamal Williams is talking trash at the defense, uh 465 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 1: during a drill where the running backs are running through 466 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: some kind of weak sauce arm tackles in the middle 467 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 1: of the Detroit defense, he had a very interesting put 468 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: down to share with America and the world. The drip 469 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 1: drip part maybe I could have done with the house, 470 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 1: but again descriptive. Again it's provocative, but I didn't need 471 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: the drip drip, And again he said, a g once again, 472 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 1: We'll just leave Aaron Glen alone. Well. He also followed 473 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: it up at the end of the episode Jamal Williams 474 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 1: by telling Dan Campbell that they needed to get clorox 475 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: bleached for breeze in the locker room. Right, So it 476 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 1: seems like maybe there's a deeper issue there that they 477 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,959 Speaker 1: need to figure out. Yeah, I think you might be 478 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: right about that. Um, we'll get to that later. I 479 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: also want to point out I don't know who this 480 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: guy was. It's also a funny hard knocks thing when 481 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: you know, you cut to the what is it the 482 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: camera in the corner at the top of the room, 483 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: and it's just a wide shot of the meeting room 484 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: and it's like they weren't expecting to catch something. But 485 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: then there's a dude and I don't know who he 486 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: was kind of looked like a beefew offensive lineman type. 487 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 1: And then I felt seen by the moment that he 488 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: shared he was sharing he was he was sharing something 489 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,119 Speaker 1: private about himself that didn't get a huge reaction, but 490 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 1: I was like, I feel you man, whoever you are. 491 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 1: I've gone these like certain like articles of clothing that 492 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: I really like, but they just like don't fit and 493 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: I'm like saving him until I can fit in him. 494 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,880 Speaker 1: If I can't wait for that, I'm like saving him 495 00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 1: until I could fit in him. I I have a 496 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,880 Speaker 1: couple of pair of jeans and like a Polover two. 497 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: It's like, oh, that's hot. Listen, we all do work 498 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:11,679 Speaker 1: on that. Work on something. Dresses, some jumpsuits, some things 499 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 1: from yesterday we do that should be part of the show. 500 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:21,679 Speaker 1: Maybe that's our pre show thing. Um, all right, how 501 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 1: about some plot line predictions for episode two? This is 502 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: a good way to what are the things? Maybe either 503 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: you expected to see in this episode and haven't, so 504 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 1: you assume it'll show up soon, um or whatever you want. 505 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: Do you have something calling? Okay, so I thought, I 506 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,400 Speaker 1: don't know why. I thought that we would have at 507 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 1: least a line from Jared Golf. We got one. The 508 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: quarterback he had one. Yeah, he checked in real quick 509 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: with Aidan Hutchinson when he was like on the sideline 510 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 1: with I think his dad and said something like the 511 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 1: kids doing good and then walked away and that was it. Oh. 512 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: I thought that was just like a pat on his back. 513 00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: I didn't even hear the line something, But you're right, 514 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I think you're I think it's a great call. 515 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: The quarterback QB one is always going to be a 516 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 1: central figure in Hard Knocks, but Goff might be the 517 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 1: one outlier UM because incredibly, this is the fourth major 518 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 1: NFL Films documentary program that Goff has been connected to. 519 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,360 Speaker 1: And I'm not you know, listen, this is not me 520 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,679 Speaker 1: speaking for a Hard Knocks producer, but this is not 521 00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,680 Speaker 1: by choice. Jared Goff is not the most dynamic Hard 522 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,959 Speaker 1: Knocks personality we've seen walk through the doors. But he 523 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 1: was on the two thousand sixteen Hard Knocks UH covering 524 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 1: the Rams when he was a rookie number one overall pick. 525 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 1: He was on the two thousand sixteen All or Nothing 526 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: UM season UH, covering that entire sixteen season. He was 527 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: then on the two thousand twenty Los Angeles Rams Hard 528 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: Knocks season when it was split with the Chargers, and 529 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: now here we are he gets moved to the Detroit Lions, 530 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: and NFL Films seemingly follows, but trust me, it was 531 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 1: not on purpose. I don't know how much we're gonna 532 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 1: see if Jared Goff, because I don't think he's really 533 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: about it. He actually doesn't really I'm not piling on 534 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,959 Speaker 1: Jared Goff here, Connie, but he doesn't strike me as 535 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: a Dan Campbell guy. And I know he he set 536 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: you sense ever since the Trade that he's kind of 537 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 1: a bridge to whatever comes next in Detroit. But I 538 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 1: don't know if we're gonna get a portion of hard knocks. 539 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 1: And I hope I'm wrong whatever, Actually I don't hope 540 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: i'm wrong. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong Where Dan Campbell 541 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: is is spinning poems about Jared Goff and how much 542 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: he loves him, I don't since it's coming, but maybe 543 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: I'll be wrong. I think that Jared Goff is probably 544 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: thrilled that he's in the position where he doesn't have 545 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 1: to be a main character on the show because there 546 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 1: are all of these other personalities and we haven't even 547 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 1: like met any of the wide receivers really yet. I 548 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: don't know if like the guy like I'm on ros 549 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: st Brown, d J. Chark who they just got in there, 550 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 1: um Jamis and Williams like one of those guys I'm 551 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: sure is going to pop at some point. But I 552 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: know that Jamal Williams is going to end up being 553 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 1: a star. I think that a theme that's probably going 554 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 1: to continue throughout the season, is Dan Campbell letting guys 555 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 1: just be themselves, because I thought it was really telling 556 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 1: during that scene with Kelvin Sheppard, the linebackers coach, when 557 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: he was talking about the fact that he was thinking 558 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 1: about cutting his hair because I guess he felt like 559 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 1: some pressure to cut his hair when he got the 560 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: job as a head coach, and Campbell was like, don't 561 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 1: you don't you dare do that? Like be the person 562 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 1: that you want to be, the person that you truly are. 563 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 1: Not some don't try and be something else just because 564 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,320 Speaker 1: you feel like you should. So I think that's going 565 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 1: to happen. I will say that when they did the 566 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: early in the episode and they showed Dan Campbell's evolution, 567 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: how he got to where he is. Oh, the hair 568 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: his last season, he has hair like a professional wrestler, 569 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 1: and then as soon as Bill parcels he's on Bill's staff, 570 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: it's it's high and tight. So he did he cut 571 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: his hair, But maybe things are different than they were. 572 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 1: Maybe he has regrets though, maybe he has learned and 573 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: he wishes that he kept it. I don't know you 574 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: mentioned Jamison Williams. He is the other first round picked 575 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 1: the wide receiver. He's rehabbing the torn a c l 576 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,959 Speaker 1: In my experience covering the show, if it's especially if 577 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 1: it's a rookie and he's doing a lot of rehab, 578 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: you might not get more than check in. But we'll see. Uh, 579 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 1: we didn't get a real dig into another um hard 580 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: knocks Trope, the underdog guy or guys. These are the 581 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 1: guys near the bottom of the roster. As I say that, 582 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 1: I know it probably was not an accident that we 583 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 1: saw Malcolm Rodriguez do with the salsa dance. We're probably 584 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 1: gonna see more of him. Um, I want more Latin music, please, Yes, 585 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 1: that would that would be nice. Um. But that's always 586 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: something that they build into the first couple episodes, and 587 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: then it all comes home in the season prenamire when 588 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: you see who made the uh final cut. And then 589 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 1: the the other thing that jumped out, UM was there's 590 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 1: always at some point a visit where you get an 591 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 1: idea of the culture of the city. And I think 592 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:15,080 Speaker 1: we're going to get a visit probably Jamal Williams and 593 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 1: a teammate that honors the rich history of music in Detroit. 594 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: That's what I'm thinking. Like in a famous recording studio 595 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 1: or a club or something that digs into the blues 596 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: and the blues or the the soul music of the city, 597 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 1: which is a part of the fabric. I'm predicting that 598 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: the next couple episodes. That's a good call. Like, I've 599 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 1: never been to Detroit, and I've been able to travel 600 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 1: so many places with this job, but Detroit is one 601 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 1: place that i haven't been yet, and I'm really interested 602 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 1: to see the music scene, if like, what the food 603 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 1: scene is like, because that's usually top of my list. Um, 604 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 1: so I hope they incorporate that. We're at RAMS camp 605 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 1: around the NFL podcast last week and Allan Robbin sin Uh, 606 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: new RAMS wide receiver and Detroit native, was going on 607 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 1: about Detroit pizza and I'm a pizza dude, and I 608 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 1: was like, what is Detroit pizza? And he said it's 609 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,720 Speaker 1: not quite deep dish, but it's it's definitely it's got 610 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: its own style, but it might be in that family. 611 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: And I was like, man, we gotta get some Detroit pizza. 612 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 1: How about that, braver another job for the producer. Can 613 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 1: we score some Detroit pizza by episode five? Why not? Yeah? That? Um? 614 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: All right? The the Leev Schreiber quoted the week. Alright, 615 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 1: so here's an issue. Not too many guardrails on this program, Connie. 616 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: But we were told Leef Schreiber, we can't use his 617 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 1: voice on this podcast, which is awesome. I don't know 618 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 1: why I didn't ask questions, nor did Justin. We just 619 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:53,360 Speaker 1: know we can't. That makes me want to use it more. 620 00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 1: But I understand it feels very exclusive and special, and 621 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 1: I did you know I'd like to. Maybe he's like 622 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 1: his Ray Donovan character. May be if he's not getting paid, 623 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 1: maybe breaks some knuckle. I' who knows. Anyway, we can't 624 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 1: use Liev Schriver's voice, but we can write down his 625 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:13,480 Speaker 1: dialogue and then ask my good friend and voice actor 626 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 1: Jason Zumwalt to give us a Lief Schreiber reading my 627 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,840 Speaker 1: favorite um line. And Shriver always does a great job 628 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 1: and the writers of tying episodes together, and he drops 629 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 1: a hammer with a great turn of phrase, and this 630 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 1: is how they end the episode, tying it back to 631 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 1: the Metallica song, Oh It's always done like a bow. 632 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 1: There's a cold calculus to the NFL. Winning is everything. 633 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 1: This team knows it. They've been in a dark place 634 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,719 Speaker 1: for a long time. The light they see now might 635 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,399 Speaker 1: be a new beginning, or it could be what Dan 636 00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 1: Campbell warned them about a freight train coming straight at them. 637 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:03,879 Speaker 1: Oh my beautiful. He didn't even hear it. You didn't 638 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:08,080 Speaker 1: even hear it. I just sent them, Okay, that's a 639 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,360 Speaker 1: fabulous work around. Really great job by you and Jason. 640 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 1: Fantastic stuff. All right, it's time before we sign off 641 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,239 Speaker 1: episode m v P. And now I want people to 642 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,400 Speaker 1: understand I did some research on this because what we're 643 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,919 Speaker 1: gonna do is we're gonna tally votes throughout the five 644 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 1: weeks and then name And this is something we're taking 645 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 1: from the write ups I did for years um where 646 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 1: I named an m v P at the end of 647 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 1: the season. For some reason right now, Brian Cox, former 648 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 1: defensive line coach of the Atlanta Falcons, was the Hard 649 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,439 Speaker 1: Knocks m v P five or six years ago. It's 650 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,360 Speaker 1: the It doesn't have to be the guy you expect. 651 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 1: It's just someone who jumps out like a Brian Cox 652 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,520 Speaker 1: and grabs you and doesn't let go for these five weeks. 653 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 1: So the first thing was, Oh, let's do it like 654 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 1: how they do the NFL m v P. Voting. But 655 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:56,879 Speaker 1: that's basic and lame. You know what that is. It's 656 00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,879 Speaker 1: an Associated Press award. There fifty writers and they all 657 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 1: make one pick and that's it. So I said, what 658 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,320 Speaker 1: about And I'm a baseball fan, I said, what about 659 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,120 Speaker 1: the points voting that they do for Baseball's m v P. 660 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,239 Speaker 1: It's called vector voting. And we were gonna signed a 661 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,760 Speaker 1: point total for a first place vote, a second place vote, 662 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,319 Speaker 1: and a third place vote, and then at the end 663 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 1: we'll figure out who's the true m VP. I feel 664 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 1: like this is. And since we're both bad at math, Connie, 665 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 1: we're gonna leave it again. A grave there, who's already 666 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 1: task with getting us merch and getting us a Detroit pizza. 667 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:31,880 Speaker 1: He also has to do math over five weeks. That 668 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 1: seems annoying. Uh, Grave Digger, are you having fun yet? 669 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,719 Speaker 1: This is is everything you dreamed it would be. Honestly, I 670 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,719 Speaker 1: am just honored and excited to be here. Throw it 671 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,239 Speaker 1: all at me. I'll handle it, I believe in the 672 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:48,400 Speaker 1: grave Digger. He does great work on NFL as well. Um, alright, 673 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 1: so let's go first place vote, Episode one, m VP 674 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,799 Speaker 1: kind of get us going. Okay, this was easy for me. 675 00:36:56,080 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 1: It's Dan Campbell because he was the most valuable person 676 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,600 Speaker 1: in the entire episode throughout the episode. It wasn't just 677 00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,320 Speaker 1: one scene that he popped. It was through the entire 678 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,359 Speaker 1: thing from start to finish, and there were so many 679 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,839 Speaker 1: different things that I feel like we're revealed about his 680 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,320 Speaker 1: character and just you know, even like how we talked 681 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,440 Speaker 1: about what his hair looked like when he was playing, 682 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,920 Speaker 1: and how he had this like a whole other side 683 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,040 Speaker 1: to him, and the fact that he is okay being 684 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,799 Speaker 1: vulnerable and laughing about himself falling at his house, and 685 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,200 Speaker 1: just how much he cares about the team, talking about 686 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,319 Speaker 1: like that emotion you can't fake it and I believe it. 687 00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,160 Speaker 1: And then he dropped a D's nuts at the end 688 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,799 Speaker 1: of the show, which really spoke to me. It won 689 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,920 Speaker 1: my heart over. So he is my top vote, Dan Campbell, 690 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 1: I'm totally with you. My first place vote also is 691 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,760 Speaker 1: with head coach Dan Campbell for all the reasons Colleen 692 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:51,239 Speaker 1: just gave and more. How about your second place vote? Okay, 693 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 1: this one, see now it gets a little bit tougher, 694 00:37:54,640 --> 00:38:00,959 Speaker 1: but I am gonna go second place. Do Staley? Oh interesting? Yeah, 695 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:05,960 Speaker 1: I really I just loved him so many different parts um, 696 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,760 Speaker 1: even from Wick when they have the little montage asking 697 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,920 Speaker 1: everyone what they think about training camp and people are like, awesome, 698 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 1: it's a grind building brotherhood, and Douce Staley is like, 699 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,320 Speaker 1: it's a bit and then just like laughs at himself 700 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:22,279 Speaker 1: and collaps. Like he is very compelling to watch and 701 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,920 Speaker 1: when he's on camera, I don't I want to hear 702 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,040 Speaker 1: what he has to say every single time. That is 703 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:33,759 Speaker 1: a great call. I definitely wrestled, uh with deuceon case. 704 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:35,640 Speaker 1: I thought he deserved a spot. I thought he really 705 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:40,080 Speaker 1: stood out and uh he also again the idea of 706 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,040 Speaker 1: the conversation as someone that's been on sports teams and 707 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,880 Speaker 1: has lived with other guys like you know, bodily functions 708 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,279 Speaker 1: are a big part of things. He when he was 709 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,799 Speaker 1: when he was going in on the running backs room 710 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,799 Speaker 1: about hey, nobody, nobody's gonna fart in here, and if 711 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,080 Speaker 1: you're gonna do it, take a walk, go to the bathroom. 712 00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,040 Speaker 1: And he had actual rules that he was fired it 713 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,960 Speaker 1: up about. There was a straight up fine and I 714 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,160 Speaker 1: gotta respect that. But uh, my second place vote goes 715 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:11,959 Speaker 1: to Jamal Williams, and it's because his personality. You could 716 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,600 Speaker 1: tell he's a fun loving guy and a charismatic guy, 717 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 1: but also the passion that you saw that speech alone. 718 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:20,839 Speaker 1: I don't remember ever seeing like if there is like 719 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 1: you know the movie Unbreakable where there's Samuel Jackson and 720 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,640 Speaker 1: Bruce Willis, it's each end one guy is literally unbreakable. 721 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 1: The other guy's Mr Glass, like if Jamis winston Is 722 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,560 Speaker 1: when he was eating the w is at one end, 723 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 1: he's the sam Jackson Like on the other end is 724 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:40,000 Speaker 1: Jamal Williams speech about players fighting for each other and 725 00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,640 Speaker 1: working hard and getting better and never doing three and 726 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,840 Speaker 1: fourteen ever again. He's my second place, uh and third 727 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,600 Speaker 1: place for me, Connie, I I almost had Deuce in here, 728 00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,840 Speaker 1: but I thought Aidan Hutchinson just deserved it because hutch 729 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,520 Speaker 1: as we call him um. I thought it was just 730 00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,560 Speaker 1: a nice kind of getting to know you of Hutchinson 731 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,120 Speaker 1: and his perfect family and the guy he doesn't take 732 00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:07,400 Speaker 1: himself too seriously, and he was behind the Billy Jean moment, 733 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,760 Speaker 1: which was one of the field good moments I remember 734 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:14,000 Speaker 1: on the show. All right, so that's these rankings are 735 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,359 Speaker 1: really good. My basically I had all of these same 736 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,400 Speaker 1: people that I was trying to figure out where to 737 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,919 Speaker 1: slot them and then it came down to the last 738 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:26,880 Speaker 1: spot between hutch and Jamal Williams, and I think that 739 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,960 Speaker 1: I think because Jamal Williams is going to be such 740 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,279 Speaker 1: a star in future episodes that there's going to be 741 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,400 Speaker 1: plenty of time for him to maybe make up some 742 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:38,680 Speaker 1: ground because that speech was so passionate. But I think 743 00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:43,120 Speaker 1: that when you lose a room the way that Aidan 744 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:47,000 Speaker 1: Hutchinson did at the beginning of the song, and the 745 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:51,359 Speaker 1: way that he just went right back in and completely 746 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:55,200 Speaker 1: lit that place up, that's not easy to do. And 747 00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,520 Speaker 1: you can be like, that's basically the most vulnerable that 748 00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:02,000 Speaker 1: you can let yourself become. And then like for him 749 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:06,600 Speaker 1: to really really stick the landing at the end, that's 750 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,160 Speaker 1: got to be my third place vote. Good good call, 751 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:13,000 Speaker 1: especially when you begin by introducing yourself as you know, 752 00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,520 Speaker 1: I have a twenty three million dollar signing bonus too, 753 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,880 Speaker 1: So intrinsically, there's gonna be people that are gonna be like, 754 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,080 Speaker 1: screw this kid who's never done anything and he has 755 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,359 Speaker 1: more money than I'll ever have. The guys in the room, uh, 756 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:28,480 Speaker 1: and yet they loved him, Yeah, they love Michael Jackson. Whatever. Well, 757 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,200 Speaker 1: I mean, it was a good song. For him to pick. 758 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:35,040 Speaker 1: Then all right, great, we'll tabulate that. Remember vector voting, 759 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,959 Speaker 1: so we're gonna tabulate and add it up first place, 760 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,680 Speaker 1: second place, third place, and at the end we will 761 00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,160 Speaker 1: pick the Hard Knocks m VP. And maybe because we 762 00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:49,399 Speaker 1: are the NFL's official Hard Knocks podcast, maybe we will 763 00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,600 Speaker 1: get the winner of Hard Knocks MVP on this program. 764 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:58,560 Speaker 1: I don't know. Or we'll just get Jamal Williams on UM. 765 00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:04,680 Speaker 1: All Right, good app good premiere, good job conn. We'll 766 00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,879 Speaker 1: be next Tuesday night with another reaction to episode two, 767 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:12,080 Speaker 1: and we'll be doing this through the September six season 768 00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:19,440 Speaker 1: finale of the greatest documentary football program ever created. David 769 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,160 Speaker 1: Robodo play us out until next week.