WEBVTT - ECW's Gary Wolf reveals details on why Francine was paired with The Pitbulls 0:00:14.960 --> 0:00:17.680 It's kind of funny though, because it's happened twice in 0:00:17.760 --> 0:00:20.480 the early stages of the show, like it happened a 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:21.919 few weeks ago, but it was like literally the first 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:24.040 few minutes that we were getting started. Oh, here we go, 0:00:24.160 --> 0:00:25.280 now you can do your introduction. 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:25.959 Great. 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:29.360 So this is a gentleman that I loved dearly and 0:00:29.800 --> 0:00:33.199 worked with him very early in my career, and I 0:00:33.240 --> 0:00:35.839 don't know what made me not have him on earlier. 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:39.479 It is Gary Wolf Pitbull number Yes. 0:00:40.520 --> 0:00:42.200 Why. 0:00:43.760 --> 0:00:45.639 That's right, Anthony was two. 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:48.920 The one Come on? How did you watch that off. 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:52.639 The come Yeah, I don't know why I did that. Yeah, 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:53.199 you're number one. 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:55.560 You're well, you're number one with me. That's what I 0:00:55.600 --> 0:00:57.440 was gonna I was gonna say, you're number two, but 0:00:57.480 --> 0:00:58.160 you're number. 0:00:57.920 --> 0:00:59.720 One with me, and you messed up my whole thing. 0:00:59.800 --> 0:01:01.040 But anyway, you're right. 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:03.480 How are you? 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:05.920 We're doing well over here. 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:09.360 I was just saying, I don't know why I didn't 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:11.560 have you on earlier, because this is our one year 0:01:11.600 --> 0:01:15.080 anniversary month. No, yeah, we've been doing this for a 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:19.640 year now. I think the fourteenth is a year. I 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:22.640 think it's the fourteenth, And I was sitting here and 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:25.080 your name popped in my head out of nowhere, and 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:27.040 I was like, oh, my gosh, why haven't I talked 0:01:27.040 --> 0:01:31.039 to Gary since Atlantic City. 0:01:30.840 --> 0:01:32.760 Because that's the last time I saw you when we 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:35.119 were at that uh right. 0:01:36.880 --> 0:01:38.479 In North Carolina, which one was. 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:40.800 Oh, did I see you there too? 0:01:41.520 --> 0:01:42.720 Yeah? 0:01:44.160 --> 0:01:46.000 Oh, brother, I was. 0:01:47.000 --> 0:01:52.360 I was throwing up and pooping at the same id. 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:57.680 I have food poisoning and I was up all night, all. 0:01:57.480 --> 0:02:01.640 Night, and then I I was crying in the bathtub, 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:05.440 and I was I was never the sick of my life, dude, never. 0:02:06.080 --> 0:02:07.800 And I was like, but I have to make I 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:11.280 have to make it because I needed the money. 0:02:11.400 --> 0:02:13.280 You still did that Q and A and you were 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:13.919 you were sick. 0:02:14.360 --> 0:02:15.200 I just sat there. 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:17.560 I sat there with this blank face and I and 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:19.520 I took the mic and I was like, before the 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:23.080 sheets say that I am fed up or drunk, Well, 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:25.280 let me just tell you I have food poisoning. 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:27.800 And like, no one really asked me anything. But I 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:28.959 sat next to New Jacket. 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:31.440 I think I were you on my other side or something, 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:32.160 but yeah. 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:34.720 You actually sat in the middle of me and New Jackets. 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:36.720 Yes, I did. And I just was like, and I 0:02:36.760 --> 0:02:38.720 had to leave. I had to get sick during it. 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:40.440 Somebody had to walk me off the stage. 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:42.880 It was. That was horrible. But I guess that's the 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:44.680 last time. I yeah, that's the last time. 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:49.440 A great memory. 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:51.600 I got her so sick. 0:02:55.520 --> 0:02:57.960 Let's let's talk about now and then we can backtrack. 0:02:58.040 --> 0:03:00.280 What have you been up to since then? I mean, 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:04.080 this quarantine has really turned everything upside down? 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:08.239 Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. I mean, not only trying to 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:12.560 get unemployment, which is even harder than that. I've been 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:15.040 doing a lot of podcasts lately, you know, and I 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:17.480 had to start charging for that because of the fact, 0:03:17.520 --> 0:03:19.800 you know, we weren't working. I mean, I stopped working. 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:24.240 I came back from New York March eighth, and after 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:26.679 that following weekend and next weekend I was supposed to 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:29.079 be in Ohio, and I was working all the way 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:34.120 up to now, honestly, and everything got canceled every Yeah. 0:03:35.080 --> 0:03:38.360 So I'm just starting now to get booking. So if 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:41.360 you're out there listening, I'll be in North Jersey on 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:45.280 October tenth for Titan, and I'll be doing a steel 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:47.840 cage match, which we will be all full of weapons, 0:03:47.880 --> 0:03:48.920 so it should be pretty good. 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:53.560 Yeah, who are you working with Monster Mac. 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:58.160 So yeah, yeah, he's got a lot of excuse men 0:03:58.200 --> 0:04:00.520 in the business for a while, so I'm worry. We 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:01.680 should have a really good time. 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:05.920 Just make sure you give me some stuff and you'll 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:08.480 be okay. 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:11.280 Okay, And I see your shirts behind you. Look at him. 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:14.000 He thinks this is a like a virtual signing over here. 0:04:14.080 --> 0:04:14.720 He's got. 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:19.400 I got shirts you Well, you're. 0:04:19.279 --> 0:04:21.520 Are you on pro wrestling tease as well? 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:24.920 No, I got to do that. Actually, Blue Meani had 0:04:25.040 --> 0:04:27.159 has keep telling me and keeps telling me his buddy 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:28.520 wants to do it. I just got to get on 0:04:28.600 --> 0:04:29.080 air and get it. 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:30.880 I had the number. If you need it, I can 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:32.160 forward to you after. 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:34.000 That'd be great. Thanks for you. 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:36.920 I hook everybody up. I try. 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:37.599 Okay. 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:40.480 So, so you're trying to stay busy. You know you're 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:41.880 doing podcasts. We get it. 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:45.760 Let's go back to the glory days, shall we. 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:46.640 Oh? 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:51.360 Wow, how did you get into business? And when did 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:54.640 you meet Pipple number two? Anthony Duranti. 0:04:55.200 --> 0:04:57.560 All right, that's a funny story because me and Anthony 0:04:57.600 --> 0:05:04.520 were in school together. Hi, same freaking high school, same grade. Wow. 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:06.560 Okay, so you knew him from school? 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:07.320 Yes? 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:09.360 Were you friends in school. 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:14.720 Uh, we were more like not friends. I would say, uh, 0:05:15.279 --> 0:05:19.400 associates like hello, goodbye. You know, we weren't that tight 0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:22.520 back then. He hung with his crowd. I hung with 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:23.080 my crowd. 0:05:24.200 --> 0:05:27.919 And what was your crowd? What were you were? You 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:28.919 were you the jock? 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:31.440 I was a jock, but I didn't hang with the. 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:33.920 Jocksh too cool for school. 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:36.040 I got it, Okay, I didn't want to. The jocks 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:38.200 were jerk off, so I didn't want to hang with them. 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:40.600 You know, they acted like snobs and stuff, and they 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:43.120 acted like tough guys. And you got to remember, I 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:47.880 went to military school. I went to hard Grave Military Academy, Okay, 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:50.920 for sixth, seventh, and eighth grade. So when I got 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:53.080 out of eighth grade and went back in the ninth grade, 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:56.480 I was a totally different person. Yeah, you know, so 0:05:56.560 --> 0:06:01.000 I played for Yeah, but I knew more things, Like 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:03.360 they made me more of a man quicker, you know, 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:06.120 when you got Vietnam, Vet's kicking your ass every day, 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:11.440 you know. Yeah, and got and I was kind of 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:14.920 heavy when you were younger. What do you call it? Husky? 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:19.159 Yeah, you're big balance, dude. 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:21.479 I mean I did every sport you could imagine I 0:06:21.520 --> 0:06:23.800 still couldn't lose weight. I don't understand. I had a 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:26.400 skateboard with me twenty four to seven. I mean, never 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:30.559 ever did I stop working out as far as athletics stuff, right, 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:32.960 But when I went to military school, that's when they 0:06:33.000 --> 0:06:37.760 started making me run for fun they called it. Yeah, 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:40.520 I dropped the weight off. And then when I went 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:43.200 back to high school, you know, just went back to 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:47.480 doing sports like I usually did. And then once I graduated. 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:50.359 Right before I graduated, me and Anthony were actually starting 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:52.520 to work out together. We actually ran into each other 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:53.679 at a gym. 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:56.640 Okay, so you see him at a gym and you're 0:06:56.720 --> 0:06:59.480 just like, you know, do you want to just train? 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:00.640 Yeah? 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:02.760 Yeah, yeah, And it was cool. It worked out good. 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:05.640 So next thing, you know, I had to go to 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:08.000 a wild Wood, New Jersey because I had businesses on 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:13.480 the boardwalk that I was attending to that I owned. Yeah, 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:16.080 so I had like water, rice cards, I had a 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:19.240 hot dog stand, a bunch of stuff down there. So 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:21.440 in the meantime, we're working out at a tell Us gym, 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:23.960 and a tell Us Jim asked me and Anthony. They said, look, 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:28.600 w WS coming into town. You know, at the convention Center, 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:31.480 do you want to do security? And this is like 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:37.720 nineteen eighty I graduated eighty five, so it's probably like 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:42.600 eighty six eighty seven. And we went to We snuck 0:07:42.600 --> 0:07:45.640 into the building early on Monday afternoon because they were 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:47.840 doing the Monday Night Raw and it was going to 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:52.880 be filmed there. And it was me Anthony cry Baby 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:59.040 Waldough rest in peace, he just passed away. And Andy Bernowski, 0:07:59.080 --> 0:08:01.160 who is a very good friend of mine, who's leather 0:08:01.240 --> 0:08:03.480 face in the Texas Chainsaw Massacres. 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:05.720 Cool. 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:08.440 Yeah, So we went in there just to goof off 0:08:08.440 --> 0:08:10.440 and we're jumping around the ring. We don't know what 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:12.800 we're doing, we have no clue, and we just beat 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:15.320 the shit out of each other and it was funny. 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:19.600 You're not trained, No, I never never, never walked in 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:20.119 my life. 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:23.840 Yes, So Dick Whorley's there, he's like hanging out watching 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:26.560 and he looked at Andy and Andy. You got to 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:30.520 remember Andy's like six seven, I mean he's very big, 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:34.200 three hundred some pounds, and honestly, Dick Whirley looked at 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:37.640 him and said, you're the next Halt COVID and I 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:39.240 was just like, holy shit, I mean, do you know 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:41.480 what that means, and he was like, he goes, I 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:44.360 ain't doing this shit. He goes, he goes, I can't 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:48.600 even move. So we got out of there. For two weeks. 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:50.520 We were so sure. We were like, nah, man, it's 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:53.720 too rough. Can't do it, can't do it. And then 0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:56.760 my boy Andy ended up moving to California to do 0:08:56.840 --> 0:09:00.960 movies with Bruce Willis and them guys, and and next 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:03.440 thing you know, summer was over. We were back home 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:07.400 in Jersey and Anthony started going to the Monster Factory. Okay, 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:11.280 so within thirty days after he joined, I joined, and 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:14.240 that was nineteen eighty eight, and two years after that 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:15.360 we were already in Japan. 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:20.040 So hold on one second, why did you want to 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:22.440 do after you said you know, I can't do this, 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:25.640 you were in the ring right then then you decide, oh, 0:09:25.679 --> 0:09:29.200 I'm going to go train. Did you ever as a 0:09:29.280 --> 0:09:32.240 child watch wrestling and want to be one of the 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:35.600 boys or did this just say Hey, I need something 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:38.280 to do, maybe I should try this wrestling out now. 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:40.760 I used to watch wrestling every Saturday with my grandpa. 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:42.760 Did you want to be a wrestler? 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:44.360 Yes you did. 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:48.240 Okay, so when you get in the ring, just kidding around, 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:51.439 you feel, you know, you're pain. You try to run 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:53.520 the ropes and all that shit, can't do it, not 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:56.480 doing it? What changes in your mind that says, Okay, 0:09:56.520 --> 0:09:58.400 I'm going to go to the Monster factory? Is it 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:00.720 because Anthony went and you? He just said, let me 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:01.240 try this. 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:04.439 Well, we were both talking about it, like honestly, we 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:06.840 both were like, yeah, you know, maybe we can do it, 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:09.320 maybe we cannot do it. So aunt said, you know what, 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:11.880 screw it. I'm gonna save the money and I'm gonna 0:10:11.920 --> 0:10:15.520 go to the Monster Factory. Okay. So it took me 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:18.240 about thirty days because in the winter I was doing 0:10:18.240 --> 0:10:23.640 a different job. I had my own furniture business I did. 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:27.720 I'm a hustler man, you know, are you are? So 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:30.000 next thing? I know? I said, all right, you just started, 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:31.880 so I'm a joint. So I had I had to 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:34.200 catch up. I had thirty days to catch up. But 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:37.200 it wasn't that hard because you got to remember back 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:41.320 then at the Monster Factory, Larry had Charlie Fulton from 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:44.840 Ohio helping him, and he's a legend and from Ohio, 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:47.360 and he helped us, you know, get everything down. And 0:10:48.240 --> 0:10:52.640 I mean I started we started having matches like probably 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:56.640 three months in Okay, and they were horrible, of course, 0:10:58.000 --> 0:11:01.320 but I mean we started getting We started working with 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:05.000 the Samoans, the Wild Samoans, and all the veteran guys 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:07.280 like Cowboy, Bob Wharton and all these other guys like 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:11.320 Don Morocco, King Curtis. They actually, I don't know what happened, man, 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:13.679 They saw us and they liked us, and next thing 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:17.000 you know, we were getting booked in New Zealand, Australia. 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:23.680 I mean we were living all over the place. I mean, yeah, yeah, 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:26.640 that's me and Anthony. We worked for Vice. We did 0:11:26.679 --> 0:11:29.319 a couple of months with Thence just to get experienced, 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:32.440 like because we really didn't know, Like we were going 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:34.920 to wrestling school and beating the shit out of each other. 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:36.640 Look at you, you're so cute. 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:40.720 So we didn't have no idea, like until I got 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:42.840 up there. I didn't know how to work until I 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:43.600 got up there. 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:47.480 Yeah, and when you get there, it's a different style too. 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:51.840 I was amazed. I mean I remember Build a big 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:54.480 boss man grabbing me and hugging me and kissing me, 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:57.000 saying thank you so much because we wrestled him and 0:11:57.040 --> 0:12:03.880 a Queen the African Dream. It was cool because, like 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:05.760 I mean, they beat the hell out of us and 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:09.080 I didn't feel a thing. Yeah, and I'm scratching my head, 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:11.000 you know what I mean, And I'm like, I believe this. 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:13.200 This is how you work, you know. 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:15.840 Yeah, you're working stiff back home, and then you'd come 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:17.559 up here and it's light as a feather. 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:20.719 And light as a feather. I mean, I worked ted 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:24.599 dB Assi and he was stiff with me, but I 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:26.440 got to give it to him because he gave me 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:28.840 one spot to do, which was a sling shot myself 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:31.600 in for a sunset flip on him, and I actually 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:34.080 locked it in man, real hard. I tried to pin him. 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:37.120 He kicked out and he closed lined me across my 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:44.120 face so hard I cracked my pants. Yeah, but like 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:46.720 I said, I'm not I'm not someone that's gonna bitch. 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:49.080 So he came in the locker room. He knew what happened, 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:51.560 and he's looking at me because he you know, he's 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:54.120 actually going like this, you know, rubbing his face like 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:56.600 because he's waiting for me to say, you know, what 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:59.920 the hell you fucking stiff to me? You know, I said, 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:03.080 thank you very much, I appreciate it. I learned a lot. Goodbye. 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:05.679 He'd stopped, looked at me, and then you could tell 0:13:05.760 --> 0:13:07.600 him and Piper just walked away and he's like, now 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:09.640 that's and he put his hand up like this, like saying, 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:13.040 you see that he keep your fucking mouse shut. And 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:15.079 that's what I learned there, and that's how I learned. 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:18.000 Then that's when all these guys that were veterans started 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:21.839 respecting me and my partner because Afansika and Bob Wharton 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:25.360 and Don Morocco and them guys were putting us over, right. 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:28.360 So before you know it, on the independent scene, all 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:30.400 these old timers that would be you had a show 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:34.439 would say, bring the pipuls and we want to wrestle that, okay, 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:36.679 So the promoters were stuck bringing us in even though 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:38.959 if they didn't want to, we still had to it. 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:41.320 So you're being requested. 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:45.480 We were being requested a lot, which was great. Right. 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:50.760 So now did you know Todd Gordon before coming into 0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:52.560 E c W Oh wait, here's. 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:56.600 Here's here it is. It's on YouTube. 0:13:56.880 --> 0:13:58.640 That's the minutes right there. I mean I had to 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:03.559 throw them tights out. They broke us up sometimes then, 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:05.920 and he would put us in singlesh. 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:07.640 My god, do you see it? Do you see it? 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:11.359 Like a poop stain on your No? You go, spot, 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:15.040 how embarrassing. Thank god. 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:17.280 I never I never pooped my pants out there, but 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:18.800 there you go, spot. 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:23.920 Right there, he got pissed man and booth. He hit 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:28.680 me hard you'll see later, and he nails me man hard. Wow. 0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:31.040 But I had to coming to me, so it was Okay. 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:33.560 That's great, that's great. 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:35.600 That's the beauty of being able to pull these things 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:36.280 up just like that. 0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:40.640 Yeah, it wasn't crazy. But what the best part about 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:43.000 working for events back then was I got to wrestle 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:46.280 every single freaking tag team they had there. I'm talking 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:49.040 eighty to z And then the first tour we ever 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:52.440 went on, we were at uh. We flew right to 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:54.600 New Zealand against the British Bulldogs. So it was the 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:56.720 American pit Bulls versus the British Bulldogs. 0:14:56.960 --> 0:15:01.880 Because you didn't sign, you were under contract, right, No. 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:04.800 They were paying me night to night at that time. 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:08.160 What how come it never got any further? Do you think? 0:15:08.440 --> 0:15:10.920 Well they did? They got it. After we did that, 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:13.440 we went back to New Jersey because I said, I'm 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:15.320 only doing ten of them. I don't want to do 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:17.640 any more of them because then people start thinking I'm 0:15:17.640 --> 0:15:22.200 a Barry Harwitz guy. Whatever, you know. But we didn't 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:24.000 want to do too many jobs, but we didn't want 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:27.680 the experience. So come to find out, Vince actually hired 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:30.320 us to go to North Carolina for South Atlantic Pro 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:34.200 Wrestling for George Scott and Paul Jones. So we were 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:36.400 in North Carolina. That's when we moved there, and we 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:40.080 were working six nights a week. Ken Shamrock was there, 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:45.040 he was called Vince Torellia. Katanka was there. He was 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:48.280 Chris Chavis was his real name. I guess, yeah, something 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:50.520 like that. So we had to train them. We were 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:53.960 trading them because Paul Jones and George Scott were great guys, 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:56.040 don't get me wrong. But they wanted us to be 0:15:56.120 --> 0:15:59.640 baby faces, you know, so, and they wanted the Nasty 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:03.960 Boys be heels because they were there with us too. Okay, uh, 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:07.640 we sucked a babyface. I couldn't even cut a babyface 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:11.640 promo at that time, you know. So I kept begging 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:14.280 George Scott, I'm like, man, please, when we do TV, 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:17.040 can I just do Can we just do one promo? 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:19.720 Heal promo and then if you like it, you know, 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:21.360 if you don't like it, then we'll stick to doing 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:24.880 what we're doing. So finally, after I guess weeks and 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:26.720 weeks and be breaking his balls, you know, and he 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:29.400 finally decided, Okay, I want to waste a little of 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:33.000 my money on this tape, so do this and be 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:34.480 done with because I don't want to hear about it 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:37.360 no more. I said, Okay, we cut the promo, and 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:41.040 he fucking almost dropped dead because him and Paul Jones 0:16:41.040 --> 0:16:44.240 were just like, holy shit, you are now the heels, 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:48.240 you're getting the belts, you're in the stunt stable, and 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:52.360 the fucking nasty boys have to be babyfaces. So it 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:54.920 was great. I loved it. I loved it, loved it, 0:16:55.120 --> 0:16:57.160 loved it, and we were and honestly I didn't even 0:16:57.160 --> 0:16:58.880 know at the time, but Vince had us there getting 0:16:58.920 --> 0:16:59.800 ready to bring us up. 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:01.840 Okay, what happened with that? 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:07.320 New Japan came in? Okay, sookiyo. Joe flew all the 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:10.400 way down the Caroline Is to watch us. I guess 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:13.720 the word got out. Uh of course, he you know, 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:17.399 went over what we need to do better, came back again, 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:20.080 saw us again, next thing, you know, we're starting to 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:24.400 work guys from Japan. I'm working Dean Malinko. I never 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:26.800 met Dean until there. I was a kid, you know, 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:29.280 I had to do it. They're like, okay, you're working 0:17:29.320 --> 0:17:32.320 Dean Malinko. You're going over and I go, well, I'm 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:34.760 a baby. If I'm a babyface and Dean's a baby face, 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:36.640 how's that going to work out. I'm thinking of myself, 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:39.480 you know, in the back of my mind, I'm not 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:42.960 realizing I'm still young, I'm still learning. And Dean's like, 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:45.720 don't worry about I got a great finish. And the 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:47.720 finish was He's going to do a leap frog. I'm 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:49.840 gonna bend down but hit him in the balls by accident. 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:53.160 One two, three, Oh. Baby Face finished and it was great. 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:54.879 So I learned so much from him. And then we 0:17:54.960 --> 0:17:57.560 got to work the Fantastics, the Rock and Roll Express, 0:17:58.040 --> 0:18:00.080 you know, I was working at it. Ricky the DA 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:02.680 and Steve bo to gym every day, so we saw 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:06.399 flair there all the time. Rick was awesome. Uh, And 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:08.480 when Nwa was in town, we'd always go to the 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:10.800 shows because we wanted to get in with Nwa. I 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:13.680 rather Magnu wouldn't hire us. He said we were still 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:16.720 too young. And I'm just like, come on, man, I'm like, 0:18:16.760 --> 0:18:18.320 I don't want to go to Vince. At that time, 0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:20.200 I wanted to work with nw A because it was 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:23.720 more adult theme. Instead, the kid be got you, you know, 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:27.480 and I mean they welcomed us with warm, open arms 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:29.879 when we'd go to locker rooms and hang out with them, especially, 0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:32.000 we'd be out at night drinking with them and party 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:34.199 and with them. It was cool. So they knew we 0:18:34.200 --> 0:18:35.600 were going to go. It was just a matter of 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:38.800 when Magnum was going to bring us in. Okay, but 0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:42.320 that's when, you know, Vince such says, Okay, I'm ready 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:44.720 to bring you guys in, but here comes Tokyo Joe. 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:48.720 So he offered. They offered us a great contract and 0:18:48.760 --> 0:18:50.920 I couldn't. They were giving me twenty five weeks a 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:54.720 ten grand a week. That's two thousand dollars. 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:55.880 That's a lot of money. 0:18:56.680 --> 0:18:59.720 Yeah, So we were all and before all this was 0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:05.639 then happened, we were already working for Todd Gordon. We 0:19:05.640 --> 0:19:08.040 were in e c W when it was Tri State Wrestling. 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:08.400 The line. 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:13.280 Okay, so you're doing all the little shows around, uh, Billy. 0:19:14.680 --> 0:19:14.880 Right. 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:16.720 I remember, Okay good. 0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:23.760 Yeah, yeah, like Todd and Joel was Joel Goodheart. Yeah, 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:26.000 they were. They were pushing us like crazy. I mean, 0:19:26.000 --> 0:19:28.680 we would win the Battle Royal with weapons. It would 0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:31.439 be me and Anthony left. You know, that was the 0:19:31.480 --> 0:19:34.080 first time I actually met Rick Flair because this is 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:37.560 before we went to North Carolina and it was Abdull 0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:39.560 the Butcher and Rick Flair was in the locker room 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:42.320