Speaker 1: It's kind of funny though, because it's happened twice in
Speaker 1: the early stages of the show, like it happened a
Speaker 1: few weeks ago, but it was like literally the first
Speaker 1: few minutes that we were getting started. Oh, here we go,
Speaker 1: now you can do your introduction.
Speaker 2: Great.
Speaker 3: So this is a gentleman that I loved dearly and
Speaker 3: worked with him very early in my career, and I
Speaker 3: don't know what made me not have him on earlier.
Speaker 3: It is Gary Wolf Pitbull number Yes.
Speaker 2: Why.
Speaker 4: That's right, Anthony was two.
Speaker 2: The one Come on? How did you watch that off.
Speaker 4: The come Yeah, I don't know why I did that. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you're number one.
Speaker 3: You're well, you're number one with me. That's what I
Speaker 3: was gonna I was gonna say, you're number two, but
Speaker 3: you're number.
Speaker 4: One with me, and you messed up my whole thing.
Speaker 4: But anyway, you're right.
Speaker 2: How are you?
Speaker 4: We're doing well over here.
Speaker 3: I was just saying, I don't know why I didn't
Speaker 3: have you on earlier, because this is our one year
Speaker 3: anniversary month. No, yeah, we've been doing this for a
Speaker 3: year now. I think the fourteenth is a year. I
Speaker 3: think it's the fourteenth, And I was sitting here and
Speaker 3: your name popped in my head out of nowhere, and
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, my gosh, why haven't I talked
Speaker 3: to Gary since Atlantic City.
Speaker 4: Because that's the last time I saw you when we
Speaker 4: were at that uh right.
Speaker 2: In North Carolina, which one was.
Speaker 4: Oh, did I see you there too?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Oh, brother, I was.
Speaker 3: I was throwing up and pooping at the same id.
Speaker 4: I have food poisoning and I was up all night, all.
Speaker 3: Night, and then I I was crying in the bathtub,
Speaker 3: and I was I was never the sick of my life, dude, never.
Speaker 3: And I was like, but I have to make I
Speaker 3: have to make it because I needed the money.
Speaker 2: You still did that Q and A and you were
Speaker 2: you were sick.
Speaker 4: I just sat there.
Speaker 3: I sat there with this blank face and I and
Speaker 3: I took the mic and I was like, before the
Speaker 3: sheets say that I am fed up or drunk, Well,
Speaker 3: let me just tell you I have food poisoning.
Speaker 4: And like, no one really asked me anything. But I
Speaker 4: sat next to New Jacket.
Speaker 3: I think I were you on my other side or something,
Speaker 3: but yeah.
Speaker 2: You actually sat in the middle of me and New Jackets.
Speaker 3: Yes, I did. And I just was like, and I
Speaker 3: had to leave. I had to get sick during it.
Speaker 3: Somebody had to walk me off the stage.
Speaker 4: It was. That was horrible. But I guess that's the
Speaker 4: last time. I yeah, that's the last time.
Speaker 1: A great memory.
Speaker 2: I got her so sick.
Speaker 3: Let's let's talk about now and then we can backtrack.
Speaker 3: What have you been up to since then? I mean,
Speaker 3: this quarantine has really turned everything upside down?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. I mean, not only trying to
Speaker 2: get unemployment, which is even harder than that. I've been
Speaker 2: doing a lot of podcasts lately, you know, and I
Speaker 2: had to start charging for that because of the fact,
Speaker 2: you know, we weren't working. I mean, I stopped working.
Speaker 2: I came back from New York March eighth, and after
Speaker 2: that following weekend and next weekend I was supposed to
Speaker 2: be in Ohio, and I was working all the way
Speaker 2: up to now, honestly, and everything got canceled every Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I'm just starting now to get booking. So if
Speaker 2: you're out there listening, I'll be in North Jersey on
Speaker 2: October tenth for Titan, and I'll be doing a steel
Speaker 2: cage match, which we will be all full of weapons,
Speaker 2: so it should be pretty good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, who are you working with Monster Mac.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, he's got a lot of excuse men
Speaker 2: in the business for a while, so I'm worry. We
Speaker 2: should have a really good time.
Speaker 3: Just make sure you give me some stuff and you'll
Speaker 3: be okay.
Speaker 4: Okay, And I see your shirts behind you. Look at him.
Speaker 4: He thinks this is a like a virtual signing over here.
Speaker 4: He's got.
Speaker 2: I got shirts you Well, you're.
Speaker 4: Are you on pro wrestling tease as well?
Speaker 2: No, I got to do that. Actually, Blue Meani had
Speaker 2: has keep telling me and keeps telling me his buddy
Speaker 2: wants to do it. I just got to get on
Speaker 2: air and get it.
Speaker 4: I had the number. If you need it, I can
Speaker 4: forward to you after.
Speaker 2: That'd be great. Thanks for you.
Speaker 4: I hook everybody up. I try.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: So, so you're trying to stay busy. You know you're
Speaker 3: doing podcasts. We get it.
Speaker 4: Let's go back to the glory days, shall we.
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 4: Wow, how did you get into business? And when did
Speaker 4: you meet Pipple number two? Anthony Duranti.
Speaker 2: All right, that's a funny story because me and Anthony
Speaker 2: were in school together. Hi, same freaking high school, same grade. Wow.
Speaker 4: Okay, so you knew him from school?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 4: Were you friends in school.
Speaker 2: Uh, we were more like not friends. I would say, uh,
Speaker 2: associates like hello, goodbye. You know, we weren't that tight
Speaker 2: back then. He hung with his crowd. I hung with
Speaker 2: my crowd.
Speaker 4: And what was your crowd? What were you were? You
Speaker 4: were you the jock?
Speaker 2: I was a jock, but I didn't hang with the.
Speaker 4: Jocksh too cool for school.
Speaker 2: I got it, Okay, I didn't want to. The jocks
Speaker 2: were jerk off, so I didn't want to hang with them.
Speaker 2: You know, they acted like snobs and stuff, and they
Speaker 2: acted like tough guys. And you got to remember, I
Speaker 2: went to military school. I went to hard Grave Military Academy, Okay,
Speaker 2: for sixth, seventh, and eighth grade. So when I got
Speaker 2: out of eighth grade and went back in the ninth grade,
Speaker 2: I was a totally different person. Yeah, you know, so
Speaker 2: I played for Yeah, but I knew more things, Like
Speaker 2: they made me more of a man quicker, you know,
Speaker 2: when you got Vietnam, Vet's kicking your ass every day,
Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, and got and I was kind of
Speaker 2: heavy when you were younger. What do you call it? Husky?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're big balance, dude.
Speaker 2: I mean I did every sport you could imagine I
Speaker 2: still couldn't lose weight. I don't understand. I had a
Speaker 2: skateboard with me twenty four to seven. I mean, never
Speaker 2: ever did I stop working out as far as athletics stuff, right,
Speaker 2: But when I went to military school, that's when they
Speaker 2: started making me run for fun they called it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I dropped the weight off. And then when I went
Speaker 2: back to high school, you know, just went back to
Speaker 2: doing sports like I usually did. And then once I graduated.
Speaker 2: Right before I graduated, me and Anthony were actually starting
Speaker 2: to work out together. We actually ran into each other
Speaker 2: at a gym.
Speaker 3: Okay, so you see him at a gym and you're
Speaker 3: just like, you know, do you want to just train?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And it was cool. It worked out good.
Speaker 2: So next thing, you know, I had to go to
Speaker 2: a wild Wood, New Jersey because I had businesses on
Speaker 2: the boardwalk that I was attending to that I owned. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I had like water, rice cards, I had a
Speaker 2: hot dog stand, a bunch of stuff down there. So
Speaker 2: in the meantime, we're working out at a tell Us gym,
Speaker 2: and a tell Us Jim asked me and Anthony. They said, look,
Speaker 2: w WS coming into town. You know, at the convention Center,
Speaker 2: do you want to do security? And this is like
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty I graduated eighty five, so it's probably like
Speaker 2: eighty six eighty seven. And we went to We snuck
Speaker 2: into the building early on Monday afternoon because they were
Speaker 2: doing the Monday Night Raw and it was going to
Speaker 2: be filmed there. And it was me Anthony cry Baby
Speaker 2: Waldough rest in peace, he just passed away. And Andy Bernowski,
Speaker 2: who is a very good friend of mine, who's leather
Speaker 2: face in the Texas Chainsaw Massacres.
Speaker 4: Cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So we went in there just to goof off
Speaker 2: and we're jumping around the ring. We don't know what
Speaker 2: we're doing, we have no clue, and we just beat
Speaker 2: the shit out of each other and it was funny.
Speaker 3: You're not trained, No, I never never, never walked in
Speaker 3: my life.
Speaker 2: Yes, So Dick Whorley's there, he's like hanging out watching
Speaker 2: and he looked at Andy and Andy. You got to
Speaker 2: remember Andy's like six seven, I mean he's very big,
Speaker 2: three hundred some pounds, and honestly, Dick Whirley looked at
Speaker 2: him and said, you're the next Halt COVID and I
Speaker 2: was just like, holy shit, I mean, do you know
Speaker 2: what that means, and he was like, he goes, I
Speaker 2: ain't doing this shit. He goes, he goes, I can't
Speaker 2: even move. So we got out of there. For two weeks.
Speaker 2: We were so sure. We were like, nah, man, it's
Speaker 2: too rough. Can't do it, can't do it. And then
Speaker 2: my boy Andy ended up moving to California to do
Speaker 2: movies with Bruce Willis and them guys, and and next
Speaker 2: thing you know, summer was over. We were back home
Speaker 2: in Jersey and Anthony started going to the Monster Factory. Okay,
Speaker 2: so within thirty days after he joined, I joined, and
Speaker 2: that was nineteen eighty eight, and two years after that
Speaker 2: we were already in Japan.
Speaker 3: So hold on one second, why did you want to
Speaker 3: do after you said you know, I can't do this,
Speaker 3: you were in the ring right then then you decide, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm going to go train. Did you ever as a
Speaker 3: child watch wrestling and want to be one of the
Speaker 3: boys or did this just say Hey, I need something
Speaker 3: to do, maybe I should try this wrestling out now.
Speaker 2: I used to watch wrestling every Saturday with my grandpa.
Speaker 4: Did you want to be a wrestler?
Speaker 2: Yes you did.
Speaker 3: Okay, so when you get in the ring, just kidding around,
Speaker 3: you feel, you know, you're pain. You try to run
Speaker 3: the ropes and all that shit, can't do it, not
Speaker 3: doing it? What changes in your mind that says, Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm going to go to the Monster factory? Is it
Speaker 3: because Anthony went and you? He just said, let me
Speaker 3: try this.
Speaker 2: Well, we were both talking about it, like honestly, we
Speaker 2: both were like, yeah, you know, maybe we can do it,
Speaker 2: maybe we cannot do it. So aunt said, you know what,
Speaker 2: screw it. I'm gonna save the money and I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go to the Monster Factory. Okay. So it took me
Speaker 2: about thirty days because in the winter I was doing
Speaker 2: a different job. I had my own furniture business I did.
Speaker 2: I'm a hustler man, you know, are you are? So
Speaker 2: next thing? I know? I said, all right, you just started,
Speaker 2: so I'm a joint. So I had I had to
Speaker 2: catch up. I had thirty days to catch up. But
Speaker 2: it wasn't that hard because you got to remember back
Speaker 2: then at the Monster Factory, Larry had Charlie Fulton from
Speaker 2: Ohio helping him, and he's a legend and from Ohio,
Speaker 2: and he helped us, you know, get everything down. And
Speaker 2: I mean I started we started having matches like probably
Speaker 2: three months in Okay, and they were horrible, of course,
Speaker 2: but I mean we started getting We started working with
Speaker 2: the Samoans, the Wild Samoans, and all the veteran guys
Speaker 2: like Cowboy, Bob Wharton and all these other guys like
Speaker 2: Don Morocco, King Curtis. They actually, I don't know what happened, man,
Speaker 2: They saw us and they liked us, and next thing
Speaker 2: you know, we were getting booked in New Zealand, Australia.
Speaker 2: I mean we were living all over the place. I mean, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's me and Anthony. We worked for Vice. We did
Speaker 2: a couple of months with Thence just to get experienced,
Speaker 2: like because we really didn't know, Like we were going
Speaker 2: to wrestling school and beating the shit out of each other.
Speaker 4: Look at you, you're so cute.
Speaker 2: So we didn't have no idea, like until I got
Speaker 2: up there. I didn't know how to work until I
Speaker 2: got up there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and when you get there, it's a different style too.
Speaker 2: I was amazed. I mean I remember Build a big
Speaker 2: boss man grabbing me and hugging me and kissing me,
Speaker 2: saying thank you so much because we wrestled him and
Speaker 2: a Queen the African Dream. It was cool because, like
Speaker 2: I mean, they beat the hell out of us and
Speaker 2: I didn't feel a thing. Yeah, and I'm scratching my head,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, And I'm like, I believe this.
Speaker 2: This is how you work, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're working stiff back home, and then you'd come
Speaker 3: up here and it's light as a feather.
Speaker 2: And light as a feather. I mean, I worked ted
Speaker 2: dB Assi and he was stiff with me, but I
Speaker 2: got to give it to him because he gave me
Speaker 2: one spot to do, which was a sling shot myself
Speaker 2: in for a sunset flip on him, and I actually
Speaker 2: locked it in man, real hard. I tried to pin him.
Speaker 2: He kicked out and he closed lined me across my
Speaker 2: face so hard I cracked my pants. Yeah, but like
Speaker 2: I said, I'm not I'm not someone that's gonna bitch.
Speaker 2: So he came in the locker room. He knew what happened,
Speaker 2: and he's looking at me because he you know, he's
Speaker 2: actually going like this, you know, rubbing his face like
Speaker 2: because he's waiting for me to say, you know, what
Speaker 2: the hell you fucking stiff to me? You know, I said,
Speaker 2: thank you very much, I appreciate it. I learned a lot. Goodbye.
Speaker 2: He'd stopped, looked at me, and then you could tell
Speaker 2: him and Piper just walked away and he's like, now
Speaker 2: that's and he put his hand up like this, like saying,
Speaker 2: you see that he keep your fucking mouse shut. And
Speaker 2: that's what I learned there, and that's how I learned.
Speaker 2: Then that's when all these guys that were veterans started
Speaker 2: respecting me and my partner because Afansika and Bob Wharton
Speaker 2: and Don Morocco and them guys were putting us over, right.
Speaker 2: So before you know it, on the independent scene, all
Speaker 2: these old timers that would be you had a show
Speaker 2: would say, bring the pipuls and we want to wrestle that, okay,
Speaker 2: So the promoters were stuck bringing us in even though
Speaker 2: if they didn't want to, we still had to it.
Speaker 4: So you're being requested.
Speaker 2: We were being requested a lot, which was great. Right.
Speaker 3: So now did you know Todd Gordon before coming into
Speaker 3: E c W Oh wait, here's.
Speaker 1: Here's here it is. It's on YouTube.
Speaker 2: That's the minutes right there. I mean I had to
Speaker 2: throw them tights out. They broke us up sometimes then,
Speaker 2: and he would put us in singlesh.
Speaker 4: My god, do you see it? Do you see it?
Speaker 4: Like a poop stain on your No? You go, spot,
Speaker 4: how embarrassing. Thank god.
Speaker 3: I never I never pooped my pants out there, but
Speaker 3: there you go, spot.
Speaker 2: Right there, he got pissed man and booth. He hit
Speaker 2: me hard you'll see later, and he nails me man hard. Wow.
Speaker 2: But I had to coming to me, so it was Okay.
Speaker 4: That's great, that's great.
Speaker 1: That's the beauty of being able to pull these things
Speaker 1: up just like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't crazy. But what the best part about
Speaker 2: working for events back then was I got to wrestle
Speaker 2: every single freaking tag team they had there. I'm talking
Speaker 2: eighty to z And then the first tour we ever
Speaker 2: went on, we were at uh. We flew right to
Speaker 2: New Zealand against the British Bulldogs. So it was the
Speaker 2: American pit Bulls versus the British Bulldogs.
Speaker 4: Because you didn't sign, you were under contract, right, No.
Speaker 2: They were paying me night to night at that time.
Speaker 4: What how come it never got any further? Do you think?
Speaker 2: Well they did? They got it. After we did that,
Speaker 2: we went back to New Jersey because I said, I'm
Speaker 2: only doing ten of them. I don't want to do
Speaker 2: any more of them because then people start thinking I'm
Speaker 2: a Barry Harwitz guy. Whatever, you know. But we didn't
Speaker 2: want to do too many jobs, but we didn't want
Speaker 2: the experience. So come to find out, Vince actually hired
Speaker 2: us to go to North Carolina for South Atlantic Pro
Speaker 2: Wrestling for George Scott and Paul Jones. So we were
Speaker 2: in North Carolina. That's when we moved there, and we
Speaker 2: were working six nights a week. Ken Shamrock was there,
Speaker 2: he was called Vince Torellia. Katanka was there. He was
Speaker 2: Chris Chavis was his real name. I guess, yeah, something
Speaker 2: like that. So we had to train them. We were
Speaker 2: trading them because Paul Jones and George Scott were great guys,
Speaker 2: don't get me wrong. But they wanted us to be
Speaker 2: baby faces, you know, so, and they wanted the Nasty
Speaker 2: Boys be heels because they were there with us too. Okay, uh,
Speaker 2: we sucked a babyface. I couldn't even cut a babyface
Speaker 2: promo at that time, you know. So I kept begging
Speaker 2: George Scott, I'm like, man, please, when we do TV,
Speaker 2: can I just do Can we just do one promo?
Speaker 2: Heal promo and then if you like it, you know,
Speaker 2: if you don't like it, then we'll stick to doing
Speaker 2: what we're doing. So finally, after I guess weeks and
Speaker 2: weeks and be breaking his balls, you know, and he
Speaker 2: finally decided, Okay, I want to waste a little of
Speaker 2: my money on this tape, so do this and be
Speaker 2: done with because I don't want to hear about it
Speaker 2: no more. I said, Okay, we cut the promo, and
Speaker 2: he fucking almost dropped dead because him and Paul Jones
Speaker 2: were just like, holy shit, you are now the heels,
Speaker 2: you're getting the belts, you're in the stunt stable, and
Speaker 2: the fucking nasty boys have to be babyfaces. So it
Speaker 2: was great. I loved it. I loved it, loved it,
Speaker 2: loved it, and we were and honestly I didn't even
Speaker 2: know at the time, but Vince had us there getting
Speaker 2: ready to bring us up.
Speaker 4: Okay, what happened with that?
Speaker 2: New Japan came in? Okay, sookiyo. Joe flew all the
Speaker 2: way down the Caroline Is to watch us. I guess
Speaker 2: the word got out. Uh of course, he you know,
Speaker 2: went over what we need to do better, came back again,
Speaker 2: saw us again, next thing, you know, we're starting to
Speaker 2: work guys from Japan. I'm working Dean Malinko. I never
Speaker 2: met Dean until there. I was a kid, you know,
Speaker 2: I had to do it. They're like, okay, you're working
Speaker 2: Dean Malinko. You're going over and I go, well, I'm
Speaker 2: a baby. If I'm a babyface and Dean's a baby face,
Speaker 2: how's that going to work out. I'm thinking of myself,
Speaker 2: you know, in the back of my mind, I'm not
Speaker 2: realizing I'm still young, I'm still learning. And Dean's like,
Speaker 2: don't worry about I got a great finish. And the
Speaker 2: finish was He's going to do a leap frog. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna bend down but hit him in the balls by accident.
Speaker 2: One two, three, Oh. Baby Face finished and it was great.
Speaker 2: So I learned so much from him. And then we
Speaker 2: got to work the Fantastics, the Rock and Roll Express,
Speaker 2: you know, I was working at it. Ricky the DA
Speaker 2: and Steve bo to gym every day, so we saw
Speaker 2: flair there all the time. Rick was awesome. Uh, And
Speaker 2: when Nwa was in town, we'd always go to the
Speaker 2: shows because we wanted to get in with Nwa. I
Speaker 2: rather Magnu wouldn't hire us. He said we were still
Speaker 2: too young. And I'm just like, come on, man, I'm like,
Speaker 2: I don't want to go to Vince. At that time,
Speaker 2: I wanted to work with nw A because it was
Speaker 2: more adult theme. Instead, the kid be got you, you know,
Speaker 2: and I mean they welcomed us with warm, open arms
Speaker 2: when we'd go to locker rooms and hang out with them, especially,
Speaker 2: we'd be out at night drinking with them and party
Speaker 2: and with them. It was cool. So they knew we
Speaker 2: were going to go. It was just a matter of
Speaker 2: when Magnum was going to bring us in. Okay, but
Speaker 2: that's when, you know, Vince such says, Okay, I'm ready
Speaker 2: to bring you guys in, but here comes Tokyo Joe.
Speaker 2: So he offered. They offered us a great contract and
Speaker 2: I couldn't. They were giving me twenty five weeks a
Speaker 2: ten grand a week. That's two thousand dollars.
Speaker 4: That's a lot of money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So we were all and before all this was
Speaker 2: then happened, we were already working for Todd Gordon. We
Speaker 2: were in e c W when it was Tri State Wrestling.
Speaker 2: The line.
Speaker 3: Okay, so you're doing all the little shows around, uh, Billy.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: I remember, Okay good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like Todd and Joel was Joel Goodheart. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they were. They were pushing us like crazy. I mean,
Speaker 2: we would win the Battle Royal with weapons. It would
Speaker 2: be me and Anthony left. You know, that was the
Speaker 2: first time I actually met Rick Flair because this is
Speaker 2: before we went to North Carolina and it was Abdull
Speaker 2: the Butcher and Rick Flair was in the locker room
Speaker 2: that night, and I remember we did that first opening
Speaker 2: match and they put us over and like, yeah, we
Speaker 2: just wanted a run out for Abby's match. He's putting
Speaker 2: on he's doing all the blades on each finger. It's
Speaker 2: got like five blades on every finger, and we have
Speaker 2: to go in the ring and we're going to dig everybody.
Speaker 2: So Rick Flair and yeah, I I know, it's crazy.
Speaker 2: So we go in the locker room. Come to find
Speaker 2: out they were in our room, Rick Flair and Abbey.
Speaker 2: They came later. So we got in the room and
Speaker 2: they're screaming and yelling like what the fuck was that match?
Speaker 2: All these weapons. I'm like, you know, because those guys
Speaker 2: back then, you don't bleed until the last match, right,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, maybe throw an arm drag
Speaker 2: in the first match built, yeah, which people don't do anymore.
Speaker 2: I remember. I remember Rick Flair and Abbey told me
Speaker 2: and Anthony you're not going back now, You're gonna sit
Speaker 2: here and watch our stuff. And they gave me and
Speaker 2: Anthony about five hundred thousand dollars worth of Rolex watches
Speaker 2: and diamonds. Okay, and they just said watch our ship.
Speaker 2: I said, I said, no problem. Yeah, I said, no problem.
Speaker 2: I said, I don't want to go out there and
Speaker 2: get I've never even been cut yet.
Speaker 4: Wait, and then no one ever saw Gary or Anthony again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I mean then, you know, that's when Rick
Speaker 2: and then was like very cool with us. And then
Speaker 2: about a month or two after that, I don't know
Speaker 2: what it was, that's when they said, good to North Carolina.
Speaker 2: So he went to North Carolina to work. But like
Speaker 2: I said, like I said, Larry Sharp called me up
Speaker 2: one night. Of course I was drunk, yeah, and he's like,
Speaker 2: Vince is good, Vince is ready to bring you guys in,
Speaker 2: So are you ready? And I'm like, now, I'm like,
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't even remember the conversation he had
Speaker 2: to tell me about. But in the meantime, Like I said,
Speaker 2: Tokyo Joe came down and said, look, you guys are
Speaker 2: like at that time our TV was starting, we were
Speaker 2: starting to lose TV down South. So we had a
Speaker 2: couple of years we were working six nights a week.
Speaker 2: He got down to like four nights a week, two
Speaker 2: nights a week, and it's like, okay, I can't live
Speaker 2: here no more. So he went back to Philly. And
Speaker 2: then that's when Tokyo Joe came to Philly with the
Speaker 2: contract and grabbed us. So you figure, I said, okay,
Speaker 2: I'll do. I'll do. You're paying twenty five times a
Speaker 2: year and then the rest of the time. Then me
Speaker 2: and Anthony signed with Todd Gordon free he went back.
Speaker 2: What happened was I was home with a knee injury.
Speaker 2: Anthony went to Germany to work for Otto, and I
Speaker 2: called up saying and said, look, you know my knees better.
Speaker 2: I want to go back. I want to start working.
Speaker 2: I didn't know you guys had TV. Fuck, let's go.
Speaker 2: So Todd said, come on down. Hack opened the door
Speaker 2: for me. That's when Gilbert Eddie was just out of
Speaker 2: there and Todd and Paul was just coming.
Speaker 4: Back in that's when I started in ninety three and that.
Speaker 2: Look, I think you were with us the first team, right, I.
Speaker 4: Know I started with Stevie.
Speaker 2: Okay, oh yeah, you started at that angle with Stevie. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I started with Stevie and then left Stevie for.
Speaker 2: For you because you thought you were upgrading.
Speaker 4: I had no clue what was going on.
Speaker 3: They were just like, show up, come here, and I
Speaker 3: said okay, And I just would always say who am
Speaker 3: I going to be with? Because I always wanted to match,
Speaker 3: you know, But my worst gimmick was with you guys.
Speaker 4: Because I hated the pleather. I hated it. It was
Speaker 4: so uncomfortable. But I loved you.
Speaker 3: But I just I was so like, if I look
Speaker 3: at pictures back then, I'm like, whoa, that is not me.
Speaker 4: This is not you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now you all I remember you. Always just you're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: can I wear something else?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: No, I'm sorry, No.
Speaker 4: It was fine. Look, I just wanted to work, you know.
Speaker 4: That's that's all I wanted to do. I wanted to work.
Speaker 2: Do you remember the night we put you through the table. Yes,
Speaker 2: and we were the first tag team. Just let your
Speaker 2: co hosts know there the first tag ting you ever
Speaker 2: put a woman through the table. I never remember it.
Speaker 4: Remember it, well, I'm the first woman never go through
Speaker 4: a table. Yes you are, yes, so we share it first.
Speaker 2: And you were crying, so.
Speaker 4: That literal fears. I was just very nervous.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I told you, I said, don't worry about it.
Speaker 2: Anthony will take care. We'll take care.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, okay, yeah, I I just in my mind
Speaker 3: I told this story before. I had no idea that
Speaker 3: I was going to end up with Shane. I thought
Speaker 3: I was going to end up with Brian Lee because
Speaker 3: Brian kept telling me the whole time, you're coming with me,
Speaker 3: You're coming with me. He was pitching to Paul for
Speaker 3: whatever reason. I don't know why, but he just kept saying,
Speaker 3: you're going to end up with me, and I said, great,
Speaker 3: I'm going from pleathor the chaps, Like this is like
Speaker 3: not me. So, but we're doing all these angles with
Speaker 3: Shane and it's not registering because I just have Brian
Speaker 3: in my ear and I'm saying to myself, well, what
Speaker 3: is this is this angle?
Speaker 4: Just are we just gonna get rid of this?
Speaker 3: And then I just automatically know Brian, like I had
Speaker 3: no idea, but like Paul had told me I wasn't
Speaker 3: going to be with you guys for the long run.
Speaker 3: So I knew my time with you was going to
Speaker 3: be short. I just didn't I didn't know where I.
Speaker 4: Was going to end up. But no, go ahead, go
Speaker 4: ahead that that I mean.
Speaker 2: That's like us, like we were gonna go to events.
Speaker 2: We didn't know they were gonna put Terry Reynolds with us.
Speaker 2: She was going to actually imagine that.
Speaker 4: That would have been interesting, That would have been interesting.
Speaker 2: That would have been crazy.
Speaker 4: But let's let's talk about that that angle, because.
Speaker 3: Shane and I had so much heat working against you
Speaker 3: after the neck thing. Yeah, we know Shane's side of
Speaker 3: the story. You've told your side of the story. Do
Speaker 3: you feel I know, you have to know that it
Speaker 3: wasn't intentional?
Speaker 2: Absolutely honestly. I watched it. I watched it. I watched it. Uh.
Speaker 2: You got to remember, Shane had a crazy match right
Speaker 2: before that spot. He got knocked He got knocked out
Speaker 2: in that match. He was unconscious at one time. Uh,
Speaker 2: we both kind of messed up that spot. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: be honest with you. I took the bump wrong. I
Speaker 2: should have took it. I should have took a flat
Speaker 2: face butt instead of a ddt. Okay, but the way
Speaker 2: he was supposed to land, and he was supposed to
Speaker 2: actually land on his ass, but his elbow was kind
Speaker 2: of behind my head, so it was forcing my head down.
Speaker 4: Okay, so it was kind of.
Speaker 2: A boat like, we both kind of. I take most
Speaker 2: of the blame because my right arm I just had
Speaker 2: surgery on my bicep and I got it reattached, so
Speaker 2: really isn't that strong yet, So I only was able
Speaker 2: to block it with my knee and pretty much my neck,
Speaker 2: you know. And I did hit the belt dead on,
Speaker 2: you know. So all I heard was dead in a crack,
Speaker 2: and my gosh, I was unconscious, and I rolled over.
Speaker 2: I've seen white, and I just laid there and I
Speaker 2: wiggled my fingers, I wiggled my toes. I said, well,
Speaker 2: I guess I'm not dead. So I rolled out of
Speaker 2: the ring. But I had no idea I broke my neck.
Speaker 2: I thought I jammed it. I've never hurt my neck.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that. You know that.
Speaker 3: That And then you know when we did the gimmick
Speaker 3: where we had the.
Speaker 4: Uh you know, you you threw the.
Speaker 3: Tail and he grabs you and we do the gimmick
Speaker 3: like this the people crazy. That was one of the
Speaker 3: scariest moments I think ever, because now I took a bump,
Speaker 3: so I'm selling. I'm selling right now, Gary selling, And
Speaker 3: all I know is Shane grabs me.
Speaker 4: And I can't get my footing and he's.
Speaker 3: Dragging me and my feet are dragging and he's got
Speaker 3: me under my armpits and I could not get I
Speaker 3: couldn't get to where I can walk. But people were
Speaker 3: literally throwing punches at us over the guardrail.
Speaker 2: People jumped over the guard rail.
Speaker 4: And they did.
Speaker 3: We had a swarm of people around us, like we
Speaker 3: were two people in a cocoon of security and workers
Speaker 3: and just everybody. And I just remember being drug. I
Speaker 3: couldn't breathe, and I'm trying to sell obviously, you know
Speaker 3: when I said, this is turning into a shoot because
Speaker 3: I can't freak and breathe and I can't walk right now,
Speaker 3: and I can't see, and it was like the white
Speaker 3: noise at one point, you know, when you get that.
Speaker 4: It was so scary.
Speaker 3: And I just remember looking at you laying there and
Speaker 3: I'm just like, oh my god, I think we have
Speaker 3: a winner here.
Speaker 4: But I'm scared it done.
Speaker 2: No, I couldn't. I was laying there because I remember
Speaker 2: I was still in the halo, so I couldn't. I
Speaker 2: couldn't look and see. All I seen was shadows around me.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, this don't even sound right.
Speaker 4: Something's so crazy.
Speaker 3: And I just remember, and my heart broke for you,
Speaker 3: number one, because I genuinely loved you as a person,
Speaker 3: and I knew like this hinders your career obviously, right,
Speaker 3: but watching Gary sit in the back was the most
Speaker 3: heartbreaking thing because it was just like, you know, you
Speaker 3: had no life to you at this point.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, if you remember Paul, this is what Paul said.
Speaker 2: He said, listen, you're not a pit bull no more.
Speaker 2: You are now Gary Woolf. That's it. And that's how
Speaker 2: because when I pitched. So you gotta remember, they didn't
Speaker 2: want to do any of this, Okay. I had to
Speaker 2: go to Todd Gordon's office and say, look, I talked
Speaker 2: to the doctor. I broke my neck. Okay, it's gonna
Speaker 2: heel in six weeks. I said, then I need to
Speaker 2: get rehabilitated. So he told me about six months. So
Speaker 2: I took eight. Anyway, I took eight. I took an
Speaker 2: extra two months anyway, and then Uh, Todd Gordon's like,
Speaker 2: hell up because at that time I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 2: They all thought that I was going to probably sue
Speaker 2: the company or something, which I wasn't gonna do. That
Speaker 2: was never any or something like that. Never. I mean,
Speaker 2: I had warriors banging on my door like crazy when
Speaker 2: I was in the hospital. Ridiculous because Todd Gordon and
Speaker 2: Steve he came to see me, you know, they couldn't
Speaker 2: believe it. And uh, because I broke my neck on
Speaker 2: a Saturday, I didn't know it was broke till Monday.
Speaker 2: That's when I went to the hospital. So I just sneezed.
Speaker 2: I would have been done. Oh my god. So God
Speaker 2: was looking after me at that point. But like I said,
Speaker 2: Todd said no way. Paul said no way, of course.
Speaker 2: So I had to give him like a week or
Speaker 2: two to let him think about it. And I came
Speaker 2: back again and I said, look, man, look at Bruno
Speaker 2: Sam Martino's angle back in the day and w w
Speaker 2: F when he broke his neck with Stan Hansen. I said, look,
Speaker 2: how over that guy. I said, let's do something. Look
Speaker 2: at Magna when he got in the car accident. I said,
Speaker 2: everything happens, you know what I mean. I said, look,
Speaker 2: it's a tragedy. It happened. It sucks, but I'm okay,
Speaker 2: so I'm ready to go back to work. Let's do it.
Speaker 2: And then that's when we started. And I can see
Speaker 2: your face when you were doing those promos. Machine, Oh
Speaker 2: they were brutal. Man.
Speaker 4: I hated it. I hated it, like talk about Jerry's kids.
Speaker 4: I'm like, I can't do that.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do the help.
Speaker 4: I have to do it.
Speaker 3: And I was like, I'm not saying it, I'm not
Speaker 3: doing it. And she's like, put the pencil in your
Speaker 3: bail that you just signed to check it.
Speaker 4: I'm like going to hell.
Speaker 3: Awful, awful, But I like, you know, as a shoot,
Speaker 3: it broke my heart to see you hurt, Like I
Speaker 3: hate it.
Speaker 4: I hated it. But the angle was great.
Speaker 3: The angle elevated all of us to like this different level.
Speaker 2: Oh my, I mean honestly, I mean, Shane was a
Speaker 2: great heel anyway, but that put the icing on the top.
Speaker 2: I mean, that was the cherry on top that he
Speaker 2: needed to get where he had to go. I mean
Speaker 2: that night, that night when you dropped that skirt and
Speaker 2: had the franchises gimmick on your ass. Yeah, that was
Speaker 2: you know, and then throwing me down. Nobody had that
Speaker 2: kind of heat in the seat. I mean, look at
Speaker 2: all those great angles that been through ECW. Great angle
Speaker 2: you got Shane, I mean, you got a Raven with
Speaker 2: Tommy Dreamer, you got Sadman or I mean all these,
Speaker 2: you know, with Raven getting crucified. Our our angle still
Speaker 2: was the best and biggest angle I think. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Let me say as a fan, I mean, and you know,
Speaker 1: I do show with Shane, I do the show with Francine.
Speaker 1: I've heard them talk about it a million times and
Speaker 1: the intensity and I've gone back and watched it, and
Speaker 1: it's I mean, there there couldnt be any more of
Speaker 1: a believable angle in the history of wrestl than that one.
Speaker 1: And that night that you get thrown down, it is
Speaker 1: like it's it's intense to watch still to this day
Speaker 1: as a fan back then and now, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: got to be up there as one of the best ever.
Speaker 1: So you guys did great.
Speaker 2: I mean then, like our first pay per view, you know,
Speaker 2: I was getting ready in my mind because I was
Speaker 2: already back and I was doing Shane all over. I mean,
Speaker 2: we were doing the Loop and I was working Shane.
Speaker 2: So I figured, okay, pay per view time, they're gonna
Speaker 2: have me and Shane. Since we've been doing the Loop together.
Speaker 2: I figured it was going to be down. And then
Speaker 2: that's when Paul said, now I'm gonna save it because
Speaker 2: I want to get one more I quit match out
Speaker 2: of it, and I was just like, well, that's yours.
Speaker 2: I mean, I can't block, I can't argue with the
Speaker 2: book er, I can't do it. So he's like, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna have Anthony Wressell Hammett and You're going to be
Speaker 2: in the crowd just to do something and then jump them.
Speaker 2: You know. So we should have ended it right there
Speaker 2: at that pay per view match, because, like I said,
Speaker 2: we were preparing ourselves for it because we worked in
Speaker 2: every single town we were in. Me and him. Now,
Speaker 2: at that point, we were doing good stuff, cartwheel stuff.
Speaker 2: You know when you go for the tombstone you flip
Speaker 2: it back. Yeah, we were doing great ship. So we
Speaker 2: were both talking, man, this paper is gonna be awesome.
Speaker 5: We're gonna kill We're gonna kill this fucking match, you know,
Speaker 5: because it's got so much heat. Yeah, and then like
Speaker 5: I said, last minute, he's like he was pushing Anthony
Speaker 5: at that time, which is fine because they gave Aunt
Speaker 5: the TV belt too. So we're the only tag team
Speaker 5: actually that had both TV titles and.
Speaker 2: The tag titles, right, which was cool, you know because
Speaker 2: we we we you know, Francine Paul wouldn't let us
Speaker 2: do our promos because you know, one take and we
Speaker 2: were out. Yeah, you know, so he keep to stay
Speaker 2: along some nights, but most yeah, you know, we were
Speaker 2: there till four o'clock in the morning sometime.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do know that.
Speaker 3: One of my favorite things was way after a CW
Speaker 3: when we did the hardcore what was Shane's gimmit called
Speaker 3: the tour, We did hardcore.
Speaker 4: Homecoming, Homecoming. Ye.
Speaker 2: That's so.
Speaker 3: We work with Gary one night, Chad and Edward in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3: We're baby faces, right because that because Shane wanted you know,
Speaker 3: Shane is a baby face in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4: He never wanted to be a heeling.
Speaker 3: But we went over this before and there's this old lady,
Speaker 3: remember the old lady in the front row.
Speaker 2: Shane sent me up that night. That was a setup.
Speaker 3: There is this old lady and we come out and
Speaker 3: she is just in love with Shane and I and
Speaker 3: she's just.
Speaker 4: Kissing him and hugging me and everything.
Speaker 3: And Gary comes out and she's just cursing Gary out right.
Speaker 4: She's old. This bitch is.
Speaker 2: Old, right, I called I got man.
Speaker 4: She punched Gary.
Speaker 2: Jesus, So listen to this. He's not telling you everything.
Speaker 2: She was Shane Douglass's baby hit her when he was
Speaker 2: a kid. Yeah. Yeah, So I'm calling this. I'm like,
Speaker 2: shut up, you bitch, you old bitch. Shut up. So
Speaker 2: I got out of the ring and I remember fran
Speaker 2: Scene was standing near me and she snailed me with
Speaker 2: a shot and I couldn't do anything but sell it.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's how good she hit me. So I
Speaker 2: remember falling back, rolling over on my head and all
Speaker 2: I hear is France seemed laughing her freaking ass off.
Speaker 4: I got to sell it, Gary, sell it.
Speaker 2: I'm on the grail, grabbing my head, crying like a bitch, saying,
Speaker 2: throw her out.
Speaker 4: Throw her.
Speaker 2: Come to find end when I go in the back
Speaker 2: because everybody was laughing, Shane was dying. I'm like, bro,
Speaker 2: who is that? He's like that was my fucking babysitter,
Speaker 2: I said.
Speaker 4: I didn't know that. Well that was fun, that was
Speaker 4: that was great.
Speaker 2: Yeah that played went crazy for that spot that night.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, absolutely. Any any chance we got to
Speaker 3: work together was a good time.
Speaker 1: So rematches to this day, you guys have rematches all
Speaker 1: the time, you know, and the feud continues. So whether
Speaker 1: or not you didn't get that big ball off on,
Speaker 1: you know, on the pay per view, you guys are
Speaker 1: still having the you know, the dog collar matches and
Speaker 1: the cage matches, and I think, weren't you supposed to
Speaker 1: to have a match earlier this year? I mean, you continues,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we we honestly a lot of promoters to call
Speaker 2: us and they want us to do a match together.
Speaker 4: So I to work with you guys again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, well, honestly, we could do it with
Speaker 2: our eyes closed. We don't even have to look at
Speaker 2: each other. We don't even have to talk about it.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's so it's so easy. I mean, I
Speaker 2: good locker rooms today and I sit there and I
Speaker 2: see guys going over a three minute match and they're
Speaker 2: talking for a freaking hour. You know, what I started
Speaker 2: doing is whoever, I'm working like I was in Canada
Speaker 2: and I had a work Angel from the ball these
Speaker 2: and all these guys are talking about all these spots
Speaker 2: and Angel came up to me and he's like, what
Speaker 2: are we doing? Boss? You know what are we doing?
Speaker 2: You know you're the veteran, so I'm gonna listen to
Speaker 2: you and we'd always does that too, And I'm like,
Speaker 2: will you stop, you know? And uh, I'm like, just
Speaker 2: sit down, sit right here and listen to this shit. Please.
Speaker 2: We're literally listening to all these freaking spots. And he's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: what are we gonna do? I said, We're not doing nothing,
Speaker 2: not that shit. Put it that way, forget about.
Speaker 4: It, because everybody has to get their shit in.
Speaker 2: You know this, I know, but you don't have to
Speaker 2: if you know how to work.
Speaker 3: I know these kids today they want to get everything
Speaker 3: they possibly can in and just you know, kill themselves.
Speaker 2: They don't they don't have no psychology. I mean, I
Speaker 2: went to a show in Atlantic City that night we
Speaker 2: did the autograph signing on the I went to that
Speaker 2: show and there mustle like I've seen one match with
Speaker 2: like twenty he finishes in one match, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: these guys are getting off after devastating moves and still
Speaker 2: working where I would have already been one, two three done.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean. It doesn't mean they don't
Speaker 2: have no psychology whatsoever. They think if they could flip
Speaker 2: flop and do a moon soal, that makes them a wrestler,
Speaker 2: and that does not make you a wrestler. Makes you
Speaker 2: a good athlete, but it doesn't make you a wrestler.
Speaker 3: Right Well, we have our memories to cherish and our
Speaker 3: legacy will live on forever.
Speaker 4: You don't care what anyone says. Tell everybody where they
Speaker 4: can find you these days.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm on Facebook, just Gary Wolf. Also I'm ECW
Speaker 2: Legend the pit Bulls Mad Dogs of War. It's another
Speaker 2: site I have. You can go to. Anybody looking for
Speaker 2: t shirts or eight y tens or pictures. You can
Speaker 2: hit me up Pitbull six seven GW at gmail dot com.
Speaker 4: Okay, and what's your Twitter? Twitter?
Speaker 2: I got a Twitter. I don't even know it yet.
Speaker 2: It's under Gary Wolf. Sorry, that's all right.
Speaker 3: Well, we follow each other on Twitter. If I can
Speaker 3: help you off, tweet that and maybe get you some I'm.
Speaker 2: Still learning the Twitter thing. You know. I know you've
Speaker 2: been there. I know for.
Speaker 3: Two years now. Little I got in late in the game.
Speaker 3: I should have I should have been one here for
Speaker 3: ten years. I was like, we didn't want nothing to tweet.
Speaker 4: Ten years ago I was changing diapers. Who wants to diapers?
Speaker 4: Nobody wants to hear that.
Speaker 1: I got it in front of me. It's it's at
Speaker 1: Gary w O one five six six two two three
Speaker 1: four two. You got you gotta get you gotta help
Speaker 1: you change that one.
Speaker 2: You know who did that for me?
Speaker 4: Candy?
Speaker 2: No, justin incredible. Why would he put.
Speaker 4: All those numbers?
Speaker 1: It must be when you sign up like that's the
Speaker 1: generic one. They take your first name, your last name,
Speaker 1: and they just throw a bunch of noney so it
Speaker 1: doesn't roll off the tongue. But you know it works.
Speaker 4: You need to fix that a sap because that is
Speaker 4: a harm.
Speaker 2: I need some of your boys. Experience will help you.
Speaker 1: We'll have always if you need it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're gonna you know, honey.
Speaker 3: I hope, I hope next year we could hook up
Speaker 3: and do some stuff together.
Speaker 4: I love it when all of us come together, so
Speaker 4: it's so fun. It's it's just you remember.
Speaker 2: Too, Franny. There's not many of us left. Man, that's
Speaker 2: what sucks more than anything, you know.
Speaker 4: No, but those of us that are left are very reliable, as.
Speaker 2: I love everybody.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, we're a very good group. So if
Speaker 3: I hear of anything, I will keep you in the
Speaker 3: loop as well. And just thank you for for everything,
Speaker 3: you know, taking me under your wing in the beginning,
Speaker 3: and just.
Speaker 4: I cherished working with you. I had a great time.
Speaker 2: I I enjoyed it. We had good times at Deca too,
Speaker 2: remember deccad we did.
Speaker 4: We had a lot of good times. Maybe we'll have
Speaker 4: some more good times.
Speaker 3: Uh. You know, even though I'm a mother now, I
Speaker 3: can't really do the shots anymore, but I'll have a cocktail.
Speaker 2: I'll hear you one of those famous lines, Hello mother,
Speaker 2: would you like another?
Speaker 3: I don't know about that, but I will be talking
Speaker 3: to you soon, I'm sure. Thank you for coming on today,
Speaker 3: and give my love to Candy, and just stay healthy
Speaker 3: so we can work that year.
Speaker 4: So all right, take care Gary, Thanks.
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