WEBVTT - It Could Happen Here Weekly 157 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:05.960 Also media. Hey everybody, Robert Evans here, and I wanted 0:00:05.960 --> 0:00:09.000 to let you know this is a compilation episode. So 0:00:09.039 --> 0:00:12.760 every episode of the week that just happened is here 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:16.720 in one convenient and with somewhat less ads package for 0:00:16.760 --> 0:00:18.880 you to listen to in a long stretch if you want. 0:00:19.360 --> 0:00:21.439 If you've been listening to the episodes every day this week, 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:23.200 there's going to be nothing new here for you, but 0:00:23.600 --> 0:00:25.160 you can make your own decisions. 0:00:27.400 --> 0:00:29.280 Welcome to it could happen here. 0:00:29.480 --> 0:00:33.240 Oh god, we have survived another week, and I'm joined 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:37.280 today by Sophie and James to discuss Trump's cabinet picks 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:42.559 and the upcoming potential members of the Trump administration two 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:45.920 point zero. I'm sure some of you have been following 0:00:46.000 --> 0:00:48.200 the news and there is some wacky picks in there. 0:00:48.520 --> 0:00:52.560 There keeps being even more wacky ones like RFK, which 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:54.760 I didn't even have time to include because by the 0:00:54.760 --> 0:00:57.280 time he was announced I basically already wrote too much. 0:00:58.080 --> 0:01:01.520 RFK will get his own future episode. But it's pretty 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:04.680 it's pretty safe to assume that RFK in control of 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:08.040 Health and Human Services is pretty bad. 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:11.280 You don't say, you don't say yeah. 0:01:11.160 --> 0:01:14.280 People are saying it not great to have the world's 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:18.480 weirdest conspiracy theorist of the Kennedy family in charge of 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:21.440 you know, like vaccines and health mandates, and it's gonna 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:23.440 be bad, bad enough that it's that it's its own 0:01:23.440 --> 0:01:27.840 episode for the rest of the nominations, mostly like last week, right, 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:29.880 this is going to be covering all the nominations in 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:32.959 the week of the eleventh to the fifteenth of November. 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:35.760 We're going to kind of go through nomination by nomination 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:38.480 and do a brief overview of each of these guys 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:42.920 and why each one could be bad, and some of 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:45.160 them just kind of point to like more general like 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:48.760 neocon picks as well. Trump kind of started off with 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:53.080 some more ordinary picks honestly, like you know, like Mark Rubio, 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:55.560 a Secretary of State. This is this is kind of 0:01:55.560 --> 0:01:58.240 a restrained pick for him. Now Rubio is still kind 0:01:58.240 --> 0:02:00.840 of converted into being a Trump loyalist like every single 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:03.200 other person we're going to be talking about, and it 0:02:03.280 --> 0:02:06.080 is interesting that kind of among all of the Trump appointees, 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:08.680 he has been the most open about his criticisms of Trump, 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:11.880 especially during Trump's first term. The leaked five hundred and 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:14.440 fifty one page a VP vetting document produced by the 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:19.040 Trump campaign outlines Rubio's anti Putin comments, support for the 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:22.359 Miller investigation, his acceptance of the twenty twenty election results, 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:25.560 passed comments that Trump is too dangerous to be trusted 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:28.760 with nuclear codes, and his history of supporting NATO, support 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:32.440 of the Iraq War, and pro military intervention in Iran 0:02:32.520 --> 0:02:36.079 and Syria. So some of these positions now kind of 0:02:36.240 --> 0:02:39.160 bump up against what Trump's next term is going to 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:42.440 be kind of defined by and like. More recently, Rubio 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:45.600 has moved on from his Tea Party free trade kind 0:02:45.639 --> 0:02:48.840 of roots and now advocates for more tariffs on China 0:02:49.200 --> 0:02:52.960 and calling the country quote the most advanced adversary America 0:02:53.040 --> 0:02:56.200 has ever faced, unquote Basically all of the kind of 0:02:56.200 --> 0:03:00.200 foreign policy guys are really big on China. They are 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:03.079 all China hawks. That there's kind of one continuous through 0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:06.239 line throughout all these nominations. I guess, James, do you 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:09.160 have any thoughts on mark Rubio for Secretary of State? 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:12.600 Yeah, Marco Rubio, I don't have a lot of thoughts 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:15.120 with Marko Rubio. I always expecting get All to be 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:17.080 more along the lines of heck, thest like more to 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:21.200 be like culture war commentators. Yeah, like, at least Rubio, 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:24.320 I will say, like, I'd probably disagree with him on 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:27.960 almost everything, but he's he's not going to probably abandon 0:03:28.240 --> 0:03:31.480 the YPG and the YPG and SDF in Syria, which 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:33.560 is a good thing. He's he's pretty hawkish on that. 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:36.280 He's not a big out of one fan, So like 0:03:36.400 --> 0:03:39.160 that's a good thing. I guess, Like I think as 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:42.400 Secretary of States under Trump, go like it could have 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:44.560 been fucking Tucker Carlson, like that, that's not out of 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:46.360 the realm of possibility. 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:46.360 At this rate. 0:03:46.480 --> 0:03:49.600 Yeah, yeah, yeah, And uh, it's well, he spends all 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:52.240 his time watching Fox News, right, Like that's what we've 0:03:52.240 --> 0:03:54.560 heard that he does. And it's not inconceivable that he 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:57.040 thinks these people are experts because they're presented that way 0:03:57.320 --> 0:04:00.400 and that is how he encounters and thus perceives world. 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:04.280 So I guess Rubio and even amongst these picks, he's 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:06.320 probably not the worst, which is wild to be saying. 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:09.000 So is the review in Mark Rubio could be worse? 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:10.720 I mean, I guess so. 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:13.400 I mean that's the review of Mark Rubio's life, isn't 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:16.279 it that that's pretty much how he's gone through the world. Yeah, 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:18.120 I think his parents would agree with us. 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:23.520 Ouch Rubio is no Pete hegseeth Secretary of Defense. Yeah, 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:26.560 which was one of the first picks that like really sharted, 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:28.000 raising some eyebrows. 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:30.360 Wild pick, wild pick. 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:30.960 Yeah. 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:34.279 Yeah, what he does an a cog tattooed on his bicep. 0:04:34.839 --> 0:04:38.320 Stop sending us that photo over him without a shirt 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:39.719 on perps seen it. 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:43.120 Yeah, never send us any cabinet member shirtless. I don't 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:45.640 care if it's RFK, I don't care if his head set. 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:47.640 I don't want to see a nipple I thought I 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:49.600 didn't like it. I don't need to see it again. 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:50.840 Yank you so much. 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:52.800 I feel like everyone's pretty well aware now that he 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:58.359 has some very questionable Christian nationalist tattoos. Honey, not not 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:01.240 super uncommon. And you know in this for like this 0:05:01.279 --> 0:05:03.400 type of like military guy he got. 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:04.800 The more washed ways out. He got them in his 0:05:04.880 --> 0:05:05.640 late thirties. 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:09.560 That also makes sense. That feels like a very midlife crisis. 0:05:09.800 --> 0:05:12.440 Oh no, I'm a Fox and Friends weekend host now 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:13.520 kind of move. 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:16.599 Yeah, yeah, better up my molon Larbie game. 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:17.200 Now. 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:19.440 There's a lot to be said about Pete Hank Seth. 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:22.799 He's a Princeton and Harvard graduate who has also claimed 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:25.080 that germs are not real and he has never washed 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:30.720 his hands in the last ten years. Disgusting. Germs are 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:33.760 not real. I can't see them, therefore they're not real. 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:39.000 So that's lovely gross. 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:40.320 You can't. 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:44.640 What a fucking idiot, but absolute moron god. 0:05:45.000 --> 0:05:48.359 He's advocated against divorce for families with kids until he 0:05:48.440 --> 0:05:50.799 was caught cheating on his second wife with his producer, 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:53.400 fathered a child, and then divorced his wife to Mary, 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:57.239 his coworker many searchcases. In general, he's just very chud 0:05:57.320 --> 0:05:59.720 codd right. He has like he has like a grunt 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:03.960 style fashion, Christian nationalist tattoos. He looks like the type 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:05.640 of guy that I would have doxed for fun as 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:09.520 a teenager. Except he just serves on Fox and Friends' 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:13.400 Weekend hosting a team. He served in Guantanamo Bay, Iraq 0:06:13.480 --> 0:06:16.839 and Afghanistan and the Army National Guard, and has recently 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:19.919 advocated that women should not serve in combat roles in 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:20.880 the US military. 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:22.080 I'm straight up. 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:24.159 Just saying we should not have women in combat roles 0:06:24.920 --> 0:06:27.440 hasn't made us more effective, hasn't made us more lethal 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:30.200 has made fighting more complicated. We've all served with women 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:34.520 and they're great. It just our institutions don't have to 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:40.160 incentivize that in places where traditionally not traditionally over human history, 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:43.000 men in those positions are more capable. 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:45.080 Yes, and well take so much should be happening in 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:45.640 the military. 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:46.960 He sure does. 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:49.240 I'm going to read a quote from his book The 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:54.360 War on Warriors, Big Si Whotox say, the Republican Party 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:58.320 by default has become the only party of America. And 0:06:58.360 --> 0:07:02.560 if we don't crusade a holy war, a righteous, holy 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:06.279 war for freedom, we're not going to save America. 0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:07.200 Unquote. 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:10.440 In general, a lot of his rhetoric kind of is 0:07:10.560 --> 0:07:15.120 this similar Christian nationalist crusade holy war type stuff. This 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:16.480 is like a lot of what he talks about on 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:20.480 podcasts and TV appearances where he is not throwing a 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:23.920 double sided axe at the penus of a West Point 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:25.160 drummer or live TV. 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:28.120 It was incredible. It was indirect fire. He arcd it 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:30.960 over the target, straight to the dick and balls of 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:31.920 the West Point drama. 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:35.200 I just feel like, if he's gonna like somebody tell 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:37.680 him what a microscope is, Somebody just tell him what 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:38.640 a microscope is. 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:41.520 He must have used binoculars at some point in his service, 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:44.440 or some kind of magnified optic right to learn to 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:47.680 see things. I mean, he has a magnified optic tattooed 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:50.640 on his bicep. Actually, he should does good. 0:07:50.640 --> 0:07:52.520 I mean, like, if you're gonna be Secretary of Defense, 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:55.120 at least like, oh. 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:57.240 Sir, wash your hands. 0:07:57.840 --> 0:08:02.040 Arguably, the most worrying part about Pete as Secretary of 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:06.760 Defense is not the anti handwashing beliefs or the poor 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:10.840 aim for ax throwing. It's that he's basically a lobbyist 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:13.600 for war criminals. Yes, and it was a big part 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:17.160 of the campaign to push Trump to pardon several convicted 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:21.480 war criminals, people who like tortured and murdered prisoners and 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:24.840 ordered soldiers to shoot and kill random, unarmed civilians. 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:25.360 Yeah. 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:29.880 So, especially with this Secretary of Defense role, that's not great. 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:33.840 That he's essentially pro war criminal and justifies it by saying, like, 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:37.160 people don't really understand what it's like to serve in combat. 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:38.960 Sometimes you have to make decisions and blah blah blah 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:42.440 blah blah, all this random stuff not good. Sources within 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:45.640 the government have called him the most unqualified person ever 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:48.640 appointed to this position, which I do I do believe 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:50.760 because this is just a guy that Trump sees on TV. 0:08:50.880 --> 0:08:52.679 This is just a TV host. Yeah, this is one 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:55.640 of the more shocking nominations. Yeah, let's move on to 0:08:55.720 --> 0:09:02.959 Secretary of Homeland Security. Ugh, this is another odd pick. 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:07.960 Christine Nome, the non border state governor of South Dakota, 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:10.960 who has no experience in the DHS, has never worked 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:16.199 in law enforcement, though she does possess one trademark cop trait. 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:19.120 Oh yes, oh yes she does. 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:22.360 And what would that be here, which is shooting and 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:23.319 killing dogs? 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:24.800 Yep, awful person. 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:27.360 So that is one thing she might bond with our 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:29.000 law enforcement community over. 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:31.839 Which we all know about because she wrote about it 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:34.000 in her own fucking book. 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:35.040 Girl. 0:09:35.400 --> 0:09:38.959 Yeah, incriminating herself another cop trait, So true, so true. 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:41.959 She did deploy the South Dakota National Guard to the border, 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:44.920 and I think they used they received private financing for it, 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:47.760 if I remember correctly. Yeah. See, like that's her engagement. 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:52.360 That one again is troubling. So much power the DHS. 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:53.840 It's such an odd pick. 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:56.120 All of these picks where I'm talking about, some of 0:09:56.160 --> 0:09:58.880 them do seem odd, but not from the point of 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:02.400 view that Trump is basically picking people that one are 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:04.640 like in his constant orbit, like a guy on TV, 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:07.160 but also people that are not like institutionalists. 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:07.440 Right. 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:09.520 These aren't like people who like worked their way up 0:10:09.559 --> 0:10:12.760 through these government departments to prove their effectiveness, to prove 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:16.520 their legitimacy. They are people that have proven their personal 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:17.360 loyalty to Trump. 0:10:17.440 --> 0:10:17.640 Right. 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:20.840 Trump's first campaign was kind of defined by a whole 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:23.800 bunch of people defecting from him. Right, everyone he's appointed 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:27.440 eventually gotten to beefs with him. People you know left, 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:30.360 wrote books about how bad Trump is. Eventually Trump faced 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:34.600 all these prosecutions. Trump's main concern is like loyalty right now, 0:10:34.679 --> 0:10:38.559 So he's picking people that just have proven their own loyalty, 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:41.200 and from that point of view, all of his picks 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:45.080 make sense. Almost everyone picked here at least at some point, 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:48.240 appeared on screen with Trump in his like twenty twenty 0:10:48.280 --> 0:10:52.200 four campaign six part documentary. Like all of these guys 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:55.560 so like they were around Trump's orbit from pretty early 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:59.000 on in his campaign now. According to Politico, Christinome was 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:03.679 recommended by twenty six campaign chief Corey Lewandowski, and his 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:06.000 incoming borders are Tom Homan. 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:07.760 Lewandowski sucks. 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:12.600 Yes, gonna give him a honorary You suck, Lewandowski. 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:17.319 Her appointment is evidence of Trump's centralizing power and departmental 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:21.760 influence tightly within the White House. Mark Krekorian, executive director 0:11:21.960 --> 0:11:25.199 of the far right Center for Immigration Studies, has postulated 0:11:25.280 --> 0:11:28.440 that the immigration branches of DHS will largely be puppeteered 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:30.560 by Stephen Miller and the New Borders are who has 0:11:30.600 --> 0:11:33.680 a lot of DHS experience, while NOME could be more 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:38.560 focused on overseeing FEMA, TSA and Secret Service. Another aspect 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:42.280 of Trump just appointing these wildly incompetent people is that 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:45.360 more of these departments can just be run out of 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:49.040 the White House, specifically by his senior advisors and Steven Miller, right, like, 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:50.600 those are the types of people that are going to 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:54.360 be largely overseeing the direction of these departments, while basically 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:56.160 these figureheads just to do their bidding. 0:11:56.240 --> 0:12:00.000 Yeah, I had worried that he would appoint Stephen Miller directly. 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:02.640 To you, I understand that fear. I think part of 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:03.960 the fear is that he just doesn't have to. 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:05.800 Yes, I know you're right. 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:08.640 In fact, Steven Miller can have more power by having 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:11.440 his myths in more departments in his current role, which 0:12:11.440 --> 0:12:14.440 we will get to later, But first let's talk about 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:21.559 Tulci Gabbard. That's the appointed Director of National Intelligence, which 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:26.600 is crazy crazy Yeah, Now, like no, Gabbard is shockingly 0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:30.760 unqualified and she would be overseeing eighteen intelligence agencies, having 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:34.040 never worked in the intelligence field or served on a 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:38.240 Congressional intelligence committee. Her nomination was first announced by Roger 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:42.520 Stone on info Wars now owned by The Onion owned 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:45.920 the Onion. But that was, like, that was how this 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:48.200 news broke. That kind of also tells you about like 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:52.200 what information channels are getting like funneled down from Trump's team. 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:55.080 If Roger Stone was the first guy to announce it 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:58.839 before Trump even announced it in his like truth socialing. 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:01.160 It just is she's such a concertspiracy theorists that just 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:02.880 it does kind of make sense. 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:05.680 She is an anti vaccine conspiracy theorist with a history 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:09.400 of spreading Russian disinformation propaganda during the invasion of Ukraine. 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:13.000 Gabru was also openly pro ASAD in twenty fifteen, secretly 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:15.360 met with Assad in twenty seventeen, and then a year 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:19.080 later Gabard peddled Syrian war crime denial, saying that she 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:22.400 was quote unquote skeptical of intelligence findings that Assad carried 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:26.080 out chemical weapons attacks. While parenting Russian talking points in 0:13:26.120 --> 0:13:28.199 February twenty twenty two, she blamed Joe Biden for the 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:31.360 war in Ukraine for not alleviating Russia's fear of Ukraine 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:35.800 possibly joining NATO. I'm going to quote from NBC news quote. 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:39.760 During her twenty twenty presidential bid, Russian state propaganda often 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:43.240 portrayed Gabbard favorably while it demigrated the other Democratic candidates, 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:46.439 including Joe Biden. According to research from the Foreign Policy 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:49.360 Research Institute of Philadelphia based think tank, less than a 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:51.800 month into her presidential campaign, there were at least twenty 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:56.360 Gabbard stories on three major Moscow based English language websites 0:13:56.600 --> 0:14:01.520 affiliated or supportive of the Russian government, which celebrated her candidacy. 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:02.240 Unquote. 0:14:02.559 --> 0:14:05.120 That's very funny because twenty Gabbart stories is probably the 0:14:05.200 --> 0:14:08.480 net totals that the entire US media wrote throughout her run. 0:14:08.800 --> 0:14:11.839 Like it is widely speculated that Gabbard is a de 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:14.679 facto Russian agent, or at the very least is very 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:18.959 comfortable just spreading Russian propaganda and spreading like pro Putin 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:20.640 and pro Russian talking points. 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:22.320 Yeah, it could be one of those things where she's 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:25.920 not actually she's like too fucking glowing to be an agent, 0:14:25.960 --> 0:14:28.480 and she's in fact just doing this shit voluntarily by accident. 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:31.800 Like it's certainly possible. I mean the Syrian warcrime denial 0:14:31.800 --> 0:14:32.920 and meeting with the sad stuff. 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:34.560 Yeah, that stuff is pretty glowing. 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:38.200 And Russia certainly has an invested interest in promoting Gabbard right, 0:14:38.240 --> 0:14:40.160 So at the very least, even this isn't intentional on 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:43.600 her part, Russia is very willing to jump on this. 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:45.240 And the fact that she's now going to be the 0:14:45.280 --> 0:14:48.880 head of all of our spy agency programs. Uh okay, cool, 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:50.480 sounds great. 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:51.080 Cool. 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:53.560 She also comes from a family of anti gay activists 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:55.840 and is tied to an anti Muslim and anti gay 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:59.160 cult called the Science of Identity. The leader has called 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:03.400 Muslims and Fsler's quote unquote demons. In two thousand and four, 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:06.560 Tulsi herself accused the newspaper The Honolulu of being the 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:12.240 mouthpiece for quote unquote homosexual extremists. Insert joke about mouthpiece 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:16.560 homosexual anyway, Now, Tulsia's family and campaign staff were all 0:15:16.600 --> 0:15:20.080 active members of the cult during her twenty twenty presidential campaign, 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:23.600 during which she also produced a list of enemies that 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:29.160 named prominent journalists who were against Tulsia's own history of 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:30.080 war crime denial. 0:15:30.240 --> 0:15:33.920 Amazing. Oh boy, yeah, sorry, we got snubbed there. 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:36.480 Hey, I mean it was twenty nineteen, right, you. 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:38.920 Know, yeah, I can dream of making. 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:40.360 We still have a chance of being put on their 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:41.160 list of enemies. 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:44.200 You know what, Garrison, if we are accused of crimes, 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:46.960 how will we fund defense. 0:15:46.920 --> 0:16:00.520 Through these products and services that support this podcast? That's correct, Okay, 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:02.920 we are back. It's time to talk about who might 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:06.840 be prosecuting a list of political enemies, and that would 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:09.080 be the possible new Attorney. 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:10.480 General, Matt Gates. 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:14.000 Oh boy, So Matt Gates is one of these congress 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:16.960 people who has built an outsized reputation through television appearances 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:19.640 and TV news soundbites. He's always quick to jump to 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:22.280 the defense of Trump and advocate for extreme positions within 0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:25.480 the party. His behavior displays a desperate need for attention 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:29.280 and willingness to sacrifice his own effectiveness as a congressman 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:33.400 for simply going viral. This performative nature is made a 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:36.920 little bit more uncanny by the bizarre fact that Gates 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:40.080 grew up in the house from the Truman Show, which 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:43.040 his family still owns. 0:16:43.160 --> 0:16:44.120 You, I did not know that. 0:16:44.440 --> 0:16:47.680 I did not know that, But that is what. 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:50.040 Yeah, it makes so much sense though. 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:53.400 Look at all of his gambits and bits in Congress, 0:16:53.800 --> 0:16:56.000 and if you frame that within someone who was raised 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:58.960 in the Truman Show house, it makes perfect sense. 0:16:59.120 --> 0:16:59.480 Wow. 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:03.440 Yeah, he is not necessarily a popular pick among kind 0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:07.879 of again, like institutionalists in the Republican Party. The famously 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:12.000 liberal Wall Street Journal ran the headline quote, Matt Gates 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:14.639 is a bad choice for Attorney General. He's a nominee 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:16.480 for those who want the law to be used for 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:20.720 political revenge and it won't end well unquote now. Hours 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:24.960 after this announcement, Gates suddenly resigned from the House, and 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:27.480 Speaker Johnson said that he hopes to work with Governor 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:30.480 DeSantis to fast track a special election to get the 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:32.800 seat filled as early as January. 0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:36.359 I think, out of deference to us, he issued his 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:41.760 resignation letter effective immediately of Congress. That caught us by 0:17:41.840 --> 0:17:44.159 surprise a little bit, But I asked him what the 0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:47.000 reasoning was and he said, well, you can't have too 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:49.639 many absences. So under Florida state law, there's about an 0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:53.640 eight week period to select and fill in a vacancy. 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:56.679 People have asked me all day long, President Trump is 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:57.800 poaching all of your talent. 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:00.320 Yes, we have an embarrassment of riches here. 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:03.320 The Republican Conference is full of talented people who are 0:18:03.320 --> 0:18:08.480 extraordinary leaders and have great expertise. And everyone in this Congress, 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:11.679 in this conference could serve in a leadership position in 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:12.440 the administration. 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:14.840 It's so bizarre a little bit. 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:20.320 But there's one little curious fact about Gates a quick resignation, 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:24.480 well yes, is that this happened just days before a 0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:27.040 House Ethics investigation was set to vote on the release 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:30.760 of a report looking into the sex trafficking allegations against 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:33.840 Matt Gates. According to ABC News, the woman at the 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:37.560 center of the DOJ's probe of Representative Matt Gates testified 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:40.920 to the House Ethics Committee that the now former Florida 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:44.359 congressman had sex with her when she was seventeen years old, 0:18:45.840 --> 0:18:49.879 to quote ABC quote. The woman's allegation regarding Gates became 0:18:50.000 --> 0:18:53.240 part of the investigation following claims by former Seminole County 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:57.600 tax collector Joel Greenberg, a former friend of Gates who 0:18:57.640 --> 0:19:00.280 is currently serving an eleven year prison sentence after reaching 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:02.320 a deal with investigators in May of twenty twenty one 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:05.200 in which he pleaded guilty to multiple federal crimes, including 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:08.080 sex trafficking of the woman when she was a miner 0:19:08.280 --> 0:19:11.360 and introducing her to other quote unquote adult men who 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:13.520 also had sex with her when she was under age. 0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:16.920 The committee also obtained a sworn written statement by Gates's 0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:20.280 ex girlfriend where she lists the Florida congressman as one 0:19:20.280 --> 0:19:23.040 of the attendees at a party in July twenty seventeen 0:19:23.240 --> 0:19:26.040 where drugs were present and which was attended by the 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:28.520 woman who Gates allegedly has sex with when she was 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:32.400 a minor. Some witnesses show venmo payments that they allegedly 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:36.160 received from Gates unquote. So I guess the end goal 0:19:36.200 --> 0:19:38.800 of the QAnon movement is just putting a pedophile in 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:43.480 charge of the DOJ serving as attorney general over the 0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:46.439 entire country. Also, Gates made a really bad joke a 0:19:46.440 --> 0:19:49.479 few years ago, responding to a Twitter post about how 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:51.600 people can be like beautiful. 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:52.080 At any age. 0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:55.359 Oh yeah, and Gates responded by saying this should be 0:19:55.440 --> 0:19:58.160 Florida's state motto, and that tweet. 0:19:57.880 --> 0:19:58.520 Is still ugh. 0:19:58.720 --> 0:20:02.760 Wasn't it sexy at anyth It is sexy? It Oh 0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:04.960 my god, it's us. 0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:06.879 Oh that's so bad. 0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:10.399 But no, Gates isn't super popular even within like large 0:20:10.400 --> 0:20:13.720 parts of the party. It's reported from other Congressmen that 0:20:13.760 --> 0:20:15.440 he would like walk up to them and like show 0:20:15.480 --> 0:20:17.680 them sex tapes he made with people he's like having 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:18.159 sex with. 0:20:18.359 --> 0:20:19.639 He's a fucking creep. 0:20:19.960 --> 0:20:21.000 He's really icky. 0:20:21.240 --> 0:20:21.680 Ew. 0:20:22.000 --> 0:20:22.200 Bro. 0:20:22.520 --> 0:20:28.840 There's arguments that like maybe he won't get past like confirmation, right, yeah, yeah. 0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:31.919 And here's here's the thing, he might not have to. 0:20:32.520 --> 0:20:34.520 Trump is currently working with the Speaker of the House 0:20:34.600 --> 0:20:37.600 as well as the new Senate majority leader to possibly 0:20:37.720 --> 0:20:41.280 just close Congress and push all these guys through in 0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:44.480 recess appointments, so they might not even have to get 0:20:44.480 --> 0:20:47.800 past the confirmation process. Now, this still remains to be seen, 0:20:48.200 --> 0:20:50.600 and as Matt Johnson said in the clip before, he's 0:20:50.640 --> 0:20:54.080 a little worried that Trump just keeps picking congressman, which 0:20:54.160 --> 0:20:58.760 is slowly eating away at the House's slim Republican majority. 0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:02.040 Johnson said that he as quote unquote begged and pleaded 0:21:02.240 --> 0:21:05.880 with Trump to stop coaching House representatives to protect their majority. 0:21:06.119 --> 0:21:08.639 At this point, at least five congressmen have been tapped 0:21:08.640 --> 0:21:12.200 to serve in the Trump administration, with more expected. Now 0:21:12.280 --> 0:21:15.520 Gates might have someone assisting him as Deputy Attorney General 0:21:15.840 --> 0:21:19.919 with a little bit more prosecution experience. That is Todd 0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:24.800 blanche who is Trump's personal defense lawyer, who earlier this 0:21:24.880 --> 0:21:28.960 year oversaw multiple indictments against Trump. So Trump just picked 0:21:28.960 --> 0:21:30.600 his own lawyer to be like, yeah, you're like the 0:21:30.640 --> 0:21:33.080 second guy in charge. Go help out Gates. 0:21:33.119 --> 0:21:34.600 I know this will be fine. 0:21:34.760 --> 0:21:37.879 The White House Chief of Staff is Susie Wills, who's 0:21:37.880 --> 0:21:40.719 as very successful Republican campaign operator. She worked on Rick 0:21:40.760 --> 0:21:45.479 Scott's and Ron DeSantis' governatorial campaigns as well as Trump's 0:21:45.480 --> 0:21:48.280 twenty twenty four presidential campaign. She's kind of one of 0:21:48.280 --> 0:21:51.720 the few like legacy establishment figures that Trump has tapped. 0:21:52.000 --> 0:21:52.320 Now. 0:21:52.520 --> 0:21:57.320 Deputy chief of Staff is Steven Miller, the great replacement. 0:21:57.400 --> 0:22:00.520 White nationalist and anti immigrant extremist, will be returning to 0:22:00.560 --> 0:22:02.720 the White House as Assistant to the President and a 0:22:02.720 --> 0:22:07.119 Deputy chief of Staff for Policy and Homeland security advisor. 0:22:07.480 --> 0:22:09.560 So he's not just the head of whole ind Security. 0:22:09.680 --> 0:22:12.920 He has his pause in multiple little departments and also 0:22:13.040 --> 0:22:15.680 is like directly next to the president's ear. 0:22:16.400 --> 0:22:16.560 Now. 0:22:16.560 --> 0:22:18.440 In Trump's first term, Miller was the architect of the 0:22:18.480 --> 0:22:21.439 family separation policy, the Muslim ban, and the end of DACA. 0:22:21.880 --> 0:22:25.359 Miller has advocated for denaturalization of American citizens and has 0:22:25.400 --> 0:22:27.440 called for the use of National Guard troops from Republican 0:22:27.440 --> 0:22:29.879 governed states to be deployed in blue states to carry 0:22:29.880 --> 0:22:33.679 out in tournament of migrants in military camps and deportations 0:22:33.760 --> 0:22:37.560 in states that are uncooperative with Trump's mass deportation plans. 0:22:37.720 --> 0:22:40.479 James Jefny things to add here on Stephen Miller. This 0:22:40.520 --> 0:22:41.520 is kind of your department. 0:22:41.800 --> 0:22:44.879 Miller is scary because he's actually very effective, Like so 0:22:45.000 --> 0:22:48.000 often these right wing kind of plot hinge on these 0:22:48.040 --> 0:22:50.800 bizarre legal theories, right, which I would say far from 0:22:50.840 --> 0:22:55.320 accepted by mainstream god of jurispudents. Yeah, Miller did very 0:22:55.480 --> 0:22:59.440 well at finding antiquated laws that could stick the landing 0:22:59.600 --> 0:23:02.200 in the court to do the evil shit he wanted 0:23:02.200 --> 0:23:02.639 to do. 0:23:02.640 --> 0:23:05.960 Like the Alien Enemies Act of seventeen ninety something. 0:23:06.000 --> 0:23:07.880 Yeah, yeah, I mean he did that with Title forty two, 0:23:07.920 --> 0:23:09.879 which is a law that's designed to stop people with 0:23:09.960 --> 0:23:13.320 tuberculosis just walking across the border. Right, And he's successfully 0:23:13.320 --> 0:23:16.520 and he planned this before the pandemic. He's successfully used 0:23:16.560 --> 0:23:20.200 that to effectively allow border patrol to immediately deport people 0:23:20.240 --> 0:23:22.560 without giving them their right to claim asylum. And that 0:23:22.640 --> 0:23:25.400 was a policy that Trump did and that Biden continued 0:23:25.440 --> 0:23:30.160 till twenty twenty three. Right, Like, Miller is good if 0:23:30.160 --> 0:23:34.320 we look at the last term at finding ways to Yeah, 0:23:34.320 --> 0:23:36.720 he's effective. He's scarily effective to me. 0:23:36.760 --> 0:23:38.680 He's always been the scariest guy in Trump's orbit. 0:23:39.080 --> 0:23:41.800 Yes, but yeah, because he's competent and like by far, 0:23:41.920 --> 0:23:43.720 and he stays out of the limelight for the large 0:23:43.760 --> 0:23:45.439 part and that allows him to not have to defend 0:23:45.480 --> 0:23:47.240 his evil shit and just get on with doing it. 0:23:47.520 --> 0:23:50.920 When I watched that six part documentary, but the behind 0:23:50.960 --> 0:23:53.399 the scenes of Trump's campaign, Seila Miller was in almost 0:23:53.440 --> 0:23:56.720 every scene. Yes, he was always like in the background, 0:23:56.960 --> 0:23:59.359 always in the background, just just saying things to Trump. 0:23:59.480 --> 0:24:02.160 Like he's he is a constant presence there. Yeah, it's 0:24:02.240 --> 0:24:06.000 quite frightening. Now moving on, the guy nominated for National 0:24:06.000 --> 0:24:10.280 Security Advisor is named Mike Walls. He's a neo Khon. 0:24:10.520 --> 0:24:13.720 He's an anti assadist, pro Ukraine. He's advocated to take 0:24:13.760 --> 0:24:16.439 the cuffs off Ukraine to allow them to make strikes 0:24:16.480 --> 0:24:19.439 further into Russia. He was also the former counter terrorism 0:24:19.440 --> 0:24:23.360 advisor to Dick Cheney when when he was VP. 0:24:23.960 --> 0:24:25.520 He's super pro Israel too. 0:24:25.880 --> 0:24:29.080 Oh, everyone I list here is pro Israel. Yeah, that's 0:24:29.160 --> 0:24:29.680 pretty much. 0:24:29.800 --> 0:24:33.240 This is one of the most like openly pro war guys, right, 0:24:34.080 --> 0:24:37.440 someone like this guy who's historically kind of like the 0:24:37.480 --> 0:24:41.240 anti Tulsi Gabbard. Yeah, yeah, takes the opposite stance on 0:24:41.240 --> 0:24:44.000 almost every single issue. He's he he's a neo Khon, 0:24:44.040 --> 0:24:45.399 He's anti Asad, he's anti Putin. 0:24:45.480 --> 0:24:47.920 He's a member of the Kurdish Caucus in Congress. Actually 0:24:48.160 --> 0:24:52.280 interesting interesting, Yeah, I mean yeah, I hope he bounces 0:24:52.320 --> 0:24:55.119 out some of some of those crazy more like a 0:24:55.240 --> 0:25:00.000 sadist sort of or just Trump's natural tendency to see 0:25:00.119 --> 0:25:02.400 a strong man in to one and being like, yeah, 0:25:02.480 --> 0:25:03.280 you go for it money. 0:25:03.520 --> 0:25:04.320 Yeah. 0:25:04.359 --> 0:25:06.720 He was the first Green Beret to serve in Congress 0:25:06.760 --> 0:25:09.560 and has advocated the use of military intel to combat 0:25:09.600 --> 0:25:13.760 drug cartels and co sponsored legislation to authorize the use 0:25:13.800 --> 0:25:17.200 of military force against cartels. In Mexico. Great guy. 0:25:18.000 --> 0:25:21.840 Another kind of more standard establishment pick, still not good, 0:25:21.920 --> 0:25:26.000 but a little bit more standard is CIA director John Ratcliffe. 0:25:26.160 --> 0:25:28.520 Briefly served as Director of Natural Intelligence near the end 0:25:28.520 --> 0:25:31.160 of Trump's first term and helped to defend Trump during 0:25:31.200 --> 0:25:33.880 impeachment hearings. He is more of like a standard pick, 0:25:33.920 --> 0:25:35.760 but like everyone else on this list, he has demonstrated 0:25:35.760 --> 0:25:40.520 fierce loyalty to Trump. EPA advisor Lee Zelden, a former 0:25:40.560 --> 0:25:44.560 New York congressman, no environmental or conservation experience, just an 0:25:44.680 --> 0:25:49.359 ordinary anti regulation conservative. After his announcement, Zelman wrote, quote, 0:25:49.520 --> 0:25:53.360 we will restore US energy dominance, revitalize our auto industry, 0:25:53.520 --> 0:25:56.639 to bring back American jobs, and make the US the 0:25:56.720 --> 0:26:01.280 global leader of AI unquote, which does not point to 0:26:01.359 --> 0:26:04.680 much environmental protection. I'm going to quote from the New Republic. 0:26:05.200 --> 0:26:08.680 Zelden voted to cut EPA funding, scrap its chemical risk 0:26:08.720 --> 0:26:11.639 assessment program, and block the agency from taking action to 0:26:11.680 --> 0:26:14.639 restrict carbon pollution. He missed the twenty seventeen vote on 0:26:14.680 --> 0:26:17.960 whether to defund the EPA's criminal law enforcement program, but 0:26:18.080 --> 0:26:20.520 voted to prohibit funds from being used for this purpose 0:26:20.640 --> 0:26:23.560 the prior year unquote. After going to the R and C. 0:26:23.760 --> 0:26:26.200 His emails were the worst email thread that I got 0:26:26.200 --> 0:26:30.439 added to his emails are so unhinged. 0:26:30.000 --> 0:26:31.880 Truly the worst thing you have ever done. 0:26:32.440 --> 0:26:37.280 Yeah, Zelden worst emails, so which actually makes sense that 0:26:37.320 --> 0:26:40.280 he wants to be a global leader of AI. Yes, 0:26:40.760 --> 0:26:42.640 that's probably what all his emails were. 0:26:42.760 --> 0:26:45.320 I mean, it's pretty safe to assume that basically any 0:26:45.359 --> 0:26:48.480 progress that we have made on climate very minuscule, will 0:26:48.480 --> 0:26:51.240 be immediately undone and we will just make a negative 0:26:51.280 --> 0:26:54.800 progress in the next four years with someone like Lee 0:26:54.960 --> 0:26:57.320 Zelden in charge of the EPA, which already has very 0:26:57.320 --> 0:27:00.520 little regulatory power, but it's about to have a lot less. 0:27:00.800 --> 0:27:05.280 Let's discuss borders are Tom Homan, former ICE director. He 0:27:05.359 --> 0:27:07.840 oversaw the family separation policy in twenty seventeen and has 0:27:07.920 --> 0:27:11.159 since said that American born citizens should be deported with 0:27:11.320 --> 0:27:16.440 their family to avoid separating families. He's advocated treating cartels 0:27:16.480 --> 0:27:19.920 like foreign terrorist organizations that Trump will used the full 0:27:20.000 --> 0:27:23.960 bite of the US Special operations to take out. He 0:27:24.000 --> 0:27:27.840 also wrote the border section of Project twenty twenty five, James, 0:27:27.840 --> 0:27:30.160 do you have anything to say on our new borders? 0:27:30.200 --> 0:27:30.360 Are? 0:27:30.560 --> 0:27:32.760 It's kind of troubling because again, You've got someone here 0:27:32.760 --> 0:27:35.399 who is competent, right, who has worked at high levels 0:27:35.400 --> 0:27:37.600 in government. He's an Obama appointee. 0:27:37.160 --> 0:27:38.560 Right, he's worked at ice like forever. 0:27:38.680 --> 0:27:41.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, Like when Obama was setting records 0:27:41.880 --> 0:27:44.680 for deportations, Homan was doing it, which I think tells 0:27:44.680 --> 0:27:47.439 you everything about you know, the shit that we forget 0:27:47.440 --> 0:27:51.800 about Obama. But yeah, like again troubling because Homan is 0:27:51.840 --> 0:27:56.560 a real hawk on this stuff and has previously been Like, 0:27:56.560 --> 0:27:59.840 he was effective at doing family separation, right, and it 0:28:00.080 --> 0:28:02.720 wasn't particularly organized, as we've seen, it's difficult for people 0:28:02.760 --> 0:28:05.280 to find and reunite the families. They've been doing it 0:28:05.560 --> 0:28:08.840 ever since Trump left office. But he was effective at 0:28:08.840 --> 0:28:11.280 getting that shit done. And that worries me in terms 0:28:11.320 --> 0:28:15.520 of deportations because I will need to scale up massively, 0:28:15.560 --> 0:28:18.320 as we spoke about, and like that will require someone 0:28:18.320 --> 0:28:21.680 with leadership experience, and he has that. Like then that 0:28:21.960 --> 0:28:22.680 is concerning. 0:28:23.119 --> 0:28:26.320 Let's talk about some more diplomatic roles For ambassador to 0:28:26.359 --> 0:28:30.040 the UN. Trump has named Elise Stephanic, who has no 0:28:30.160 --> 0:28:35.679 diplomatic experience but has been extremely vocally pro Israel. She 0:28:35.760 --> 0:28:39.720 harshly interrogated university presidents amid campus protests against the genocide 0:28:39.720 --> 0:28:44.960 and Gaza, and is consistently advocated against US participation in 0:28:45.040 --> 0:28:47.520 the UN and now is going to be the UN 0:28:47.560 --> 0:28:52.080 ambassador to quote from the New Republic quote. In a 0:28:52.120 --> 0:28:56.080 statement last week, Stefanic harolded Israel's decision to ban the 0:28:56.200 --> 0:29:01.480 United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in 0:29:01.520 --> 0:29:04.960 the Near East or UNRA, from operating in Israel, the 0:29:05.000 --> 0:29:07.920 West Bank and Gaza, claiming that the seventy four year 0:29:07.960 --> 0:29:12.240 old aid program quote instills anti Semitic hate in Palestinians 0:29:12.520 --> 0:29:16.400 and houses weapons for terrorists unquote. She's also called on 0:29:16.440 --> 0:29:19.760 the United States to defund the refugee program, criticizing the 0:29:19.800 --> 0:29:23.880 Biden administration for issuing one billion dollars to UNRA since 0:29:24.080 --> 0:29:24.920 twenty twenty one. 0:29:25.280 --> 0:29:25.960 Unquote. 0:29:26.240 --> 0:29:28.680 Yeah, this is like a typical talking point of like 0:29:28.800 --> 0:29:31.800 right zionists, right that the United Nations is somehow an 0:29:31.880 --> 0:29:35.440 arm of Hamas and the UNRAH, the United Nations Refugee 0:29:35.440 --> 0:29:39.720 Welfare Agency is actively funneling weapons to Hamas, and like 0:29:40.000 --> 0:29:43.960 it's just not true. It's it's an excuse for targeting 0:29:44.000 --> 0:29:45.720 AID workers in Gaza. 0:29:45.920 --> 0:29:48.960 The UN already has such little control over any degree 0:29:48.960 --> 0:29:52.959 of like enforcement for like humanitarian aid, and having this 0:29:53.000 --> 0:29:55.480 person be the US ambassador to UN will make what 0:29:55.520 --> 0:30:00.000 little power they have even like diminished. Yes, just last October, 0:30:00.480 --> 0:30:03.360 she called for a quote a complete reassessment of US 0:30:03.440 --> 0:30:06.880 funding of the United Nations unquote, after calls from the 0:30:06.880 --> 0:30:09.840 Palestinian authority to expel Israel from the UN for war 0:30:09.880 --> 0:30:13.040 crimes and human rights abuses. Now the ambassador to Israel 0:30:13.160 --> 0:30:16.160 is set to be Mike Huckabee, the former governor of 0:30:16.320 --> 0:30:21.400 Arkansas and evangelical Christian Zionist. Similarly, he has no diplomatic experience. 0:30:22.040 --> 0:30:24.520 I'm going to quote from the Atlantic quote. He has 0:30:24.600 --> 0:30:28.360 led religious pilgrimages to Israel and visited the country dozens 0:30:28.400 --> 0:30:30.960 of times over the course of several decades. He also 0:30:31.000 --> 0:30:34.600 opposes a two state solution to the Israel Palestine conflict 0:30:34.920 --> 0:30:38.239 and says that quote there's really no such thing as 0:30:38.320 --> 0:30:44.400 a Palestinian unquote. He is really bad. Mike Hkakabee is 0:30:44.520 --> 0:30:47.360 really bad. Yeah, that's pretty bad. He has also advocated 0:30:47.360 --> 0:30:49.840 for Israel to permanently annex and take control of the 0:30:49.840 --> 0:30:53.040 West Bank, and he like legitimately believes in a religious 0:30:53.040 --> 0:30:55.960 political ideology to return all Jewish people to the Holy 0:30:56.000 --> 0:30:59.000 Land of Israel to trigger the biblical apocalypse resulting in 0:30:59.040 --> 0:30:59.800 the death of all Jews. 0:31:00.120 --> 0:31:02.440 My feelings personally, and I'm speaking only as a person, 0:31:03.160 --> 0:31:06.720 I think Israel would only be acting on the property 0:31:06.720 --> 0:31:12.680 it already owns. I think Israel has titled the Judea 0:31:12.840 --> 0:31:16.280 and Samaria. There are certain words I refuse to use. 0:31:16.760 --> 0:31:18.640 There is no such thing as a West Bank. It's 0:31:18.720 --> 0:31:21.400 Judy and Samaria. There's no such thing as a settlement, 0:31:21.400 --> 0:31:25.040 their communities, their neighborhoods, their cities. There's no such thing 0:31:25.040 --> 0:31:25.840 as an occupation. 0:31:26.320 --> 0:31:28.400 This is why he believes this. This isn't like out 0:31:28.440 --> 0:31:30.680 of care in his heart for Jewish people. It's that 0:31:30.720 --> 0:31:33.480 he wants to trigger the apocalypse, and to do this 0:31:33.680 --> 0:31:36.960 he needs to both like eliminate all Palestinians, give total 0:31:37.040 --> 0:31:39.480 control of the land to Israel, make all Jewish people 0:31:39.520 --> 0:31:41.880 live there so that Jesus can come again and do 0:31:42.000 --> 0:31:43.240 the wars and blah blah. 0:31:43.080 --> 0:31:46.560 Blah blah blah, all that kind of stuff. It's nasty. Yeah. 0:31:46.880 --> 0:31:50.880 The last diplomatic pick here is Middle East Envoy Steve Whitkoff, 0:31:51.280 --> 0:31:54.680 who's a Trump campaign fundraiser and a real estate developer. 0:31:55.120 --> 0:31:58.120 He has no diplomatic or foreign policy experience pro Israel. 0:31:58.360 --> 0:32:00.360 He'll basically just be assisting in all of the bad 0:32:00.400 --> 0:32:02.400 things that everyone else have already named is going to 0:32:02.440 --> 0:32:02.800 be doing. 0:32:03.080 --> 0:32:06.480 Wait, sorry, my brain just broke. So so the Middle 0:32:06.520 --> 0:32:11.200 East Envoy is just like a real estate investor guy. Yep, yep, 0:32:11.800 --> 0:32:15.120 that seems I mean, I mean, yeah, it is it 0:32:15.240 --> 0:32:19.080 much better than Jared is going to do peace in 0:32:19.160 --> 0:32:20.840 the Middle East like last time. 0:32:21.800 --> 0:32:24.040 Yes, you can look at this similarly to like Jared 0:32:24.080 --> 0:32:28.520 Kushner's proposals to like develop what once was Gaza and 0:32:28.640 --> 0:32:30.880 just like viewing wars in the Middle East as a 0:32:30.920 --> 0:32:34.280 real estate development opportunity. You can see a guy like 0:32:34.320 --> 0:32:36.720 this kind of in line with that side of like 0:32:36.760 --> 0:32:37.960 the Trump campaign. 0:32:38.040 --> 0:32:40.240 Jared's got to handle it, and we're going to handle 0:32:40.280 --> 0:32:41.000 these ad breaks. 0:32:50.360 --> 0:32:51.680 All right, we are back. 0:32:51.920 --> 0:32:56.880 It's time to discuss the elephant in the room. 0:32:57.440 --> 0:33:01.040 God genuinely, but my mind. 0:33:00.800 --> 0:33:01.520 Are we Dojing? 0:33:01.640 --> 0:33:03.160 We are going full Doge. 0:33:03.720 --> 0:33:07.160 So I'm just going to read part of the statement 0:33:07.200 --> 0:33:12.360 from Donald Trump announcing this new government agency DOGE. More 0:33:12.400 --> 0:33:15.960 on that later quote. I am pleased to announce that 0:33:16.160 --> 0:33:21.520 the Great Elon Musk working into conjunction with American patriot 0:33:21.880 --> 0:33:26.600 the VEC Ramaswami will lead the Department of Government Efficiency DOGE. 0:33:27.000 --> 0:33:30.080 Together these two wonderful Americans will pave the way for 0:33:30.240 --> 0:33:35.200 my administration to dismantle government bureaucracy, slash excess regulation, cut 0:33:35.240 --> 0:33:40.080 wasteful expenditures, and restructure federal agencies. It will become potentially 0:33:40.520 --> 0:33:46.080 the Manhattan Project of our time. Republican politicians have dreamed 0:33:46.120 --> 0:33:50.920 about the objectives of DOGE for a long time. To 0:33:51.080 --> 0:33:53.640 drive this kind of drastic change, the Department of Government 0:33:53.640 --> 0:33:58.440 Efficiency will provide advice and guidance from outside of government 0:33:58.920 --> 0:34:01.400 and will partner with the White House and Office of 0:34:01.400 --> 0:34:04.840 Management and Budget to drive large scale structural reform and 0:34:04.880 --> 0:34:09.440 create an entrepreneurial approach to government never seen before. Their 0:34:09.480 --> 0:34:14.040 work will conclude no later than July fourth, twenty twenty six. 0:34:14.600 --> 0:34:17.640 A smaller government with more efficiency and let's bureaucracy will 0:34:17.640 --> 0:34:20.080 be the perfect gift to America on the two hundred 0:34:20.120 --> 0:34:23.800 and fiftieth anniversary of the Declaration of Independence. Unquote Jesus 0:34:23.880 --> 0:34:27.160 christ Man, So this is the new quote unquote government 0:34:27.200 --> 0:34:29.360 agency which is not real, right, this is not a 0:34:29.400 --> 0:34:32.080 real government agency. Trump just can't create one out of 0:34:32.120 --> 0:34:34.560 thin air. And in this statement it does clarify that 0:34:34.560 --> 0:34:38.440 they will be providing advice and guidance from outside of government. 0:34:39.480 --> 0:34:42.640 That's pretty funny. This is a children's table. They have 0:34:42.719 --> 0:34:43.560 the plastic cutlery. 0:34:43.719 --> 0:34:44.720 It's the children's table. 0:34:44.800 --> 0:34:47.560 Yes, he's He's sending Musk and the VEC off to 0:34:47.600 --> 0:34:50.239 the side to have their little fun. They'll make like 0:34:50.280 --> 0:34:53.360 a blog post that talks about who to cut, you 0:34:53.400 --> 0:34:56.360 know what programs to cut. Vivec specifically talked about like 0:34:56.760 --> 0:34:59.200 ending healthcare for veterans, which I'm sure will go over 0:34:59.480 --> 0:35:02.759 very well, and they'll submit that to Trump and then 0:35:02.760 --> 0:35:04.440 the people in charge of the Office of Management and 0:35:04.480 --> 0:35:06.120 Budget will probably throw it in the trash, but. 0:35:06.680 --> 0:35:07.239 We will see. 0:35:07.280 --> 0:35:10.000 I mean, I don't want to understate Musk's general influence 0:35:10.360 --> 0:35:12.840 in like Trump's operations, because Musk right now does have 0:35:12.880 --> 0:35:15.680 a great deal of influence. I think this doge thing 0:35:16.239 --> 0:35:18.280 isn't something to be too worried about. 0:35:18.320 --> 0:35:18.600 Though. 0:35:19.000 --> 0:35:22.399 Now, as a as a fun side note to kind 0:35:22.400 --> 0:35:25.520 of demonstrate the nonsensical nature of this, I'm going to 0:35:25.560 --> 0:35:28.720 talk about something that Vivec has proposed. He has said 0:35:28.800 --> 0:35:31.399 that a way to cut down a government bureaucracy would 0:35:31.440 --> 0:35:35.239 be to make a list of all of the non 0:35:35.280 --> 0:35:39.120 elected government employees and fire the ones that have a 0:35:39.120 --> 0:35:41.880 Social Security number that starts or ends. 0:35:41.640 --> 0:35:42.760 With an odd number. 0:35:43.600 --> 0:35:46.600 This way, you can automatically cut seventy five percent of 0:35:46.640 --> 0:35:49.960 the workforce without having to worry about racial, gender, or 0:35:50.000 --> 0:35:55.399 political discrimination. The Vech says, quote, not a thing will 0:35:55.440 --> 0:35:58.279 have changed for the ordinary American unquote. 0:35:58.600 --> 0:36:00.239 I think that's gonna work that way. 0:36:00.400 --> 0:36:02.800 This is this is reposing cutting like two million people. 0:36:03.120 --> 0:36:06.320 Talking to front of the pod Lex Friedman. He framed 0:36:06.360 --> 0:36:10.200 this as a thought experiment, not necessarily a policy proposal, 0:36:10.640 --> 0:36:12.800 and said that a more complicated form of this idea 0:36:13.080 --> 0:36:17.239 could select to save people with quote the greatest commitment 0:36:17.400 --> 0:36:23.200 and knowledge of the constitution unquote. This is goofy, Like 0:36:23.280 --> 0:36:25.640 this is fake, Like this isn't this isn't real. He's 0:36:25.640 --> 0:36:27.880 not going to cut seventy five percent of the workforce. 0:36:28.160 --> 0:36:30.640 You should be more concerned about Schedule F, a policy 0:36:30.640 --> 0:36:32.760 that Trump will reinstate that gives him power to remove 0:36:32.760 --> 0:36:35.840 government employees at will to select for people that align 0:36:35.880 --> 0:36:38.440 with him more ideologically. Like, that's the real thing to 0:36:38.440 --> 0:36:41.000 be concerned about in terms of like government staffing. I'm 0:36:41.040 --> 0:36:44.239 not much concerned about Vivek here, though. The Washington Post 0:36:44.239 --> 0:36:47.920 did report that some Trump advisors have asked Congress for 0:36:48.040 --> 0:36:52.040 thirty five to fifty million dollars to fund the DOGE Commission. 0:36:53.400 --> 0:36:55.880 The alternative is to raise money from the private sector, 0:36:55.920 --> 0:36:58.920 which seems more likely. It's also just very funny to 0:36:59.000 --> 0:37:03.160 have like an afficiency department ran by two people, especially 0:37:03.200 --> 0:37:06.160 if you're gonna ask to spend fifty to fifty million dollars, 0:37:06.400 --> 0:37:08.200 because yeah, I'm sure the best way to improve government 0:37:08.200 --> 0:37:11.400 efficiency is to give two billionaires fifty million dollars. 0:37:11.880 --> 0:37:14.240 It's to have two people running it, running an apartment. 0:37:14.360 --> 0:37:16.000 That's great, Like that's what we need. Too many. 0:37:16.120 --> 0:37:18.240 Yeah, there's also like a fake department that'll just produce 0:37:18.360 --> 0:37:21.120 like a writeup that talks about cutting Social. 0:37:20.960 --> 0:37:23.200 Security, right, and then everyone will throw it in the bin. 0:37:23.400 --> 0:37:24.200 That's all it's going to be. 0:37:24.560 --> 0:37:26.440 Musk has also gone to Twitter to try to get 0:37:26.480 --> 0:37:29.800 people to send in job applications to work for free, 0:37:30.560 --> 0:37:34.000 to like sort to sort through these like these people 0:37:34.040 --> 0:37:35.879 that should be cut from federal government. He just wants 0:37:35.920 --> 0:37:37.719 people to do work for free. So now you have 0:37:37.760 --> 0:37:40.800 people setting in job applications to Twitter. I'm sure that'll 0:37:40.880 --> 0:37:44.440 end great for those people. Part of this just feels 0:37:44.520 --> 0:37:46.919 kind of like a scheme to like coerce Trump into 0:37:46.960 --> 0:37:49.960 allowing the formation of a fake government agency to pump 0:37:50.000 --> 0:37:53.440 the value of doge coin. Like, yes, dogecoin did like 0:37:53.480 --> 0:37:56.360 boost some value after this announcement, and like this is 0:37:56.640 --> 0:38:00.080 very suspicious and like should be maybe illegal because this 0:38:00.120 --> 0:38:02.560 could just be like a cryptocurrency scheme, which is very 0:38:02.800 --> 0:38:06.080 very likely now despite the kind of goofy nature of 0:38:06.120 --> 0:38:07.960 doge and like the idea that this is basically just 0:38:08.080 --> 0:38:10.200 Musk of a beck sitting at the kids table to 0:38:10.280 --> 0:38:12.920 keep them happy while the adults take care of real business. 0:38:13.280 --> 0:38:16.560 I don't want to rush over the influence that Musk 0:38:16.640 --> 0:38:20.400 currently has on the Trump admin. Basically since election night, 0:38:20.480 --> 0:38:22.799 Musk has essentially been living with Trump at mar A. 0:38:22.840 --> 0:38:26.000 Lagos, just like the first buddy. Yes he is. 0:38:26.080 --> 0:38:29.560 He started to call himself first buddy, which makes me 0:38:29.960 --> 0:38:31.080 deeply uncomfortable. 0:38:31.160 --> 0:38:36.440 The richest man honest, yeah, first friend with benefits absolutely pathetic. 0:38:36.880 --> 0:38:39.640 Musk is reported to be giving input on staffing decisions 0:38:39.840 --> 0:38:43.160 and joining phone calls with foreign leaders on the play 0:38:43.160 --> 0:38:44.080 a clip from scenen here. 0:38:44.239 --> 0:38:46.719 Multiple sources tell me tonight that Musk has been seen 0:38:46.719 --> 0:38:49.360 at mar A Lago nearly every single day since Donald 0:38:49.400 --> 0:38:52.920 Trump won, dining with him on the patio. At times. 0:38:53.040 --> 0:38:55.800 Today they were seen on the golf course together. Musk 0:38:55.800 --> 0:38:58.320 has been in the room when world leaders have called Trump, 0:38:58.680 --> 0:39:01.759 and tonight we've learned he's also weighing in on staffing decisions, 0:39:01.800 --> 0:39:05.920 making clear his preference for certain roles. Even publicly. Tonight, 0:39:05.960 --> 0:39:08.960 Elon Musk is backing Florida Senator Rick Scott as the 0:39:09.000 --> 0:39:12.719 next leader of the Republican Conference to replace Mitch McConnell. 0:39:13.280 --> 0:39:15.600 While Musk himself is still not expected to take any 0:39:15.680 --> 0:39:19.520 kind of formal position inside Trump's administration, given how complicated 0:39:19.560 --> 0:39:22.440 it would be with his companies, what's becoming clearer tonight 0:39:22.520 --> 0:39:25.120 is that he doesn't really need to, With one source 0:39:25.200 --> 0:39:28.000 telling me Elon Musk is having just as much influence 0:39:28.120 --> 0:39:28.480 from the. 0:39:28.480 --> 0:39:32.080 Outside, NBC's reported that a source close to the transition 0:39:32.200 --> 0:39:35.520 team has told them that Musk is quote behaving as 0:39:35.600 --> 0:39:39.240 if he is co president and making sure that everyone 0:39:39.400 --> 0:39:42.680 knows it, and he's sure taking lots of credit for 0:39:42.719 --> 0:39:46.080 the president's victory, breaking about America pack and X to 0:39:46.160 --> 0:39:49.200 anyone who will listen. He's trying to make President Trump 0:39:49.239 --> 0:39:52.520 feel indebted to him, and the President is indebted to 0:39:52.600 --> 0:39:56.800 no one unquote, which is a very very fun statement 0:39:56.840 --> 0:39:58.279 from a Trump guy. 0:39:58.480 --> 0:40:01.200 It's also not true. Doesn't Trump oh loads of people money? 0:40:01.640 --> 0:40:03.160 Like empirically we know this. 0:40:03.520 --> 0:40:06.520 Yes, and currently through lawsuits, Trump does out people a 0:40:06.560 --> 0:40:08.920 lot of money. But yeah, not that that will matter 0:40:09.000 --> 0:40:12.400 at all anymore. In a meeting with House Republicans last Wednesday, 0:40:12.480 --> 0:40:17.000 Trump reportedly joked, quote, Elon won't go home. I can't 0:40:17.000 --> 0:40:20.520 get rid of him, at least until I don't like him, unquote, 0:40:20.800 --> 0:40:24.640 which kind of underscores the running bet pool that we 0:40:24.680 --> 0:40:28.040 have here at Colzone Media on when the Trump Musk 0:40:28.120 --> 0:40:30.680 falling out will happen, and we will we will keep 0:40:30.760 --> 0:40:34.280 up on this story very closely, because I really can't 0:40:34.320 --> 0:40:37.080 imagine that that Musk will stay here for too long. 0:40:37.320 --> 0:40:40.040 I'm sure he'll stay in some proximity, especially with all 0:40:40.120 --> 0:40:43.160 like the government contracts that SpaceX has, but Trump being 0:40:43.200 --> 0:40:45.360 like this close to Musk surely will result in some 0:40:45.440 --> 0:40:48.560 kind of fallout. And maybe maybe that's opium. Maybe maybe 0:40:48.560 --> 0:40:51.000 that's me just fully hopped up on hopium, But I 0:40:51.080 --> 0:40:53.759 really see able asm working to our advantage here with 0:40:54.800 --> 0:40:57.399 Trump eventually just getting sick of this guy. And I 0:40:57.440 --> 0:40:59.319 think part of what Elon's doing here as well, and 0:40:59.440 --> 0:41:02.960 other people have postilated this, including Robert is like Elon 0:41:03.080 --> 0:41:05.799 can't run for president legally, right and out again, laws 0:41:05.840 --> 0:41:08.920 might just completely go out the window here. But because 0:41:08.920 --> 0:41:11.200 Elon's on a natural born citizen like Elon can't run 0:41:11.239 --> 0:41:14.120 for president, and Elon does want power, So basically Elon's 0:41:14.120 --> 0:41:16.360 trying to become as close as he can do President 0:41:16.440 --> 0:41:21.239 Trump to be like like this source said co president right. 0:41:21.680 --> 0:41:23.919 That's kind of his end goal here is he wants 0:41:23.960 --> 0:41:26.320 to be the president and he can't, so this is 0:41:26.719 --> 0:41:29.360 as close as he can get. That is most of 0:41:29.400 --> 0:41:32.279 the main picks so far. Lastly, I'll mention like three 0:41:32.280 --> 0:41:34.399 people who worked on the Trump campaign who will now 0:41:34.400 --> 0:41:39.120 be serving as advisors, including danz Cavino, James Blair, and 0:41:39.239 --> 0:41:43.560 Taylor Buttowitch. All these guys appeared pretty frequently in the 0:41:43.600 --> 0:41:47.360 behind the scenes documentary about Trump's twenty twenty four campaign, 0:41:47.640 --> 0:41:49.560 and all three of these guys primarily focused on like 0:41:49.600 --> 0:41:52.440 weaponizing anti immigrant claims to get Trump elected. That was 0:41:52.480 --> 0:41:56.880 kind of their main focus, especially James Blair. But lastly, lastly, 0:41:56.960 --> 0:42:00.239 I do have one more person to mention, the co 0:42:00.360 --> 0:42:08.440 chair of Trump's transition team, the former CEO of WWE McMahon. 0:42:10.160 --> 0:42:13.279 She is working as the co chair for the transition team. 0:42:13.400 --> 0:42:15.799 She is the wife of A Vince McMahon now. She 0:42:15.880 --> 0:42:18.640 also served in Trump's first term as head of the 0:42:18.719 --> 0:42:22.200 Small Business Administration from twenty seventeen to twenty nineteen after 0:42:22.320 --> 0:42:27.040 two failed Senate runs in Connecticut. Now, besides co leading 0:42:27.080 --> 0:42:30.239 the President's transition team, McMahon's also the front runner to 0:42:30.320 --> 0:42:33.239 lead the Department of Commerce. Now to kind of tie 0:42:33.239 --> 0:42:36.800 this back to Matt Gates, she along with her husband, 0:42:37.040 --> 0:42:40.800 are also currently being sued for sex trafficking underage boys 0:42:40.800 --> 0:42:45.480 in the WWE. The suit alleges that WWE leadership knowingly 0:42:45.520 --> 0:42:48.920 allowed an announcer named mel Phillips to groom and molest 0:42:49.080 --> 0:42:51.600 the five plaintiffs who were hired as ring boys from 0:42:51.640 --> 0:42:52.319 the ages of. 0:42:52.200 --> 0:42:53.160 Twelve to thirteen. 0:42:53.920 --> 0:42:56.600 Ring boys basically like people who like help out on 0:42:56.680 --> 0:42:59.080 the side for you know, I see, they're kind of 0:42:59.080 --> 0:43:02.080 like performative roles. Yeah, so that's pretty fucked up. And 0:43:02.120 --> 0:43:04.880 the fact that this whole qute on movement has now 0:43:04.920 --> 0:43:08.560 resulted in two people being charged for sex trafficking or 0:43:08.600 --> 0:43:11.520 at least investigator for sex trafficking. Being this close to 0:43:11.520 --> 0:43:13.880 the Trump orbit, I'm sure, I'm sure we can just 0:43:13.880 --> 0:43:16.120 trust the plan and things and things will all things 0:43:16.120 --> 0:43:18.600 will all turn out fine. But yeah, that's a little 0:43:18.600 --> 0:43:22.520 it's a little Linda McMahon a fun fact there. So 0:43:23.239 --> 0:43:24.920 that is all I have to say at this point 0:43:25.000 --> 0:43:27.680 about the Trump cabinet picks. There's gonna be more. I know, 0:43:27.960 --> 0:43:30.080 RFK is gonna be its own nightmare that we will 0:43:30.120 --> 0:43:33.000 get to. Yeah, I guess any closing thoughts, uh, Sophie 0:43:33.120 --> 0:43:36.160 or James on this this who's who of the worst 0:43:36.200 --> 0:43:38.839 people in the country, who's gone. 0:43:38.560 --> 0:43:44.759 I've come next? And that's basically it, and and not 0:43:44.800 --> 0:43:47.800 even that after this first round and then like obviously 0:43:47.880 --> 0:43:49.720 he's gonna fucking fire some people. 0:43:49.840 --> 0:43:52.040 Who's he gonna report, who's he gonna replace them with? 0:43:52.480 --> 0:43:54.600 It will be it like Instagrammers by the end of 0:43:54.640 --> 0:43:55.120 four years. 0:43:55.120 --> 0:43:57.560 I'm sure he's really just going through all the people 0:43:57.560 --> 0:44:00.520 who have like pledged complete loyalty to him, including people 0:44:00.520 --> 0:44:03.720 who've like previously been critical but have like turned around 0:44:03.760 --> 0:44:06.600 and gotten fully on the Trump train and Like, the 0:44:06.680 --> 0:44:09.439 thing that links up all of these names is that 0:44:09.480 --> 0:44:11.200 Trump believes that they're not going to turn on him, 0:44:11.360 --> 0:44:13.080 because that was the thing that really threw a wrench 0:44:13.080 --> 0:44:16.000 in his first administration. And the reason why he's appointing 0:44:16.000 --> 0:44:19.040 all these people who are just chronically unqualified, it's because 0:44:19.160 --> 0:44:22.200 they need Trump, right, Like, if Matt Gates doesn't become 0:44:22.200 --> 0:44:24.120 ag then he's also like out of a job now 0:44:24.160 --> 0:44:26.799 because he resigned from Congress, and he'll also probably face 0:44:26.840 --> 0:44:29.759 more punishment for his alleged sex trafficking. But if he's 0:44:29.800 --> 0:44:32.480 in charge of the entire Justice Department, he's not going 0:44:32.560 --> 0:44:34.920 to get anything right. Like, a huge part of Trump 0:44:34.960 --> 0:44:37.160 like trying to become president again is to get out 0:44:37.200 --> 0:44:41.040 of all of the criminal complaints and indictments that he's 0:44:41.080 --> 0:44:43.879 been facing the past year. And now none of those matter. 0:44:44.040 --> 0:44:46.120 I'll point you to a Legal Eagle video for like 0:44:46.160 --> 0:44:49.000 why none of the convictions will matter, none of the 0:44:49.080 --> 0:44:51.600 ongoing cases will matter, All of those trials are now 0:44:51.640 --> 0:44:55.080 completely meaningless. He has gotten away with everything. Looking over 0:44:55.160 --> 0:44:57.280 this whole list, you see a lot of neo cons 0:44:57.360 --> 0:45:01.759 in foreign policy positions and like mega celebrity loyalists in 0:45:01.840 --> 0:45:05.160 domestic positions. Which makes a lot of sense for Trump 0:45:05.239 --> 0:45:09.279 trying to both like maintain his own power as well 0:45:09.280 --> 0:45:13.799 as showing off his kind of hidden neo contendencies. And 0:45:13.880 --> 0:45:17.399 this entire cabinet points towards centralizing power with just him 0:45:17.400 --> 0:45:20.239 and the White House. Right, these people are not qualified, 0:45:20.560 --> 0:45:24.560 So now Trump basically will puppeteer every department and Trump's advisors, 0:45:24.560 --> 0:45:28.000 including like Stephen Miller. So this is all about centralizing 0:45:28.040 --> 0:45:30.880 power and demanding fierce loyalty. That's what all of these 0:45:30.920 --> 0:45:32.000 appointments point towards. 0:45:32.320 --> 0:45:34.800 This is good ending. What a happy show. 0:45:34.920 --> 0:45:36.520 Yeah, that is a great ending. 0:45:36.800 --> 0:45:38.879 You know, not all these will have happy endings, because 0:45:38.880 --> 0:45:42.640 we're currently facing a pretty rough situation. But we will 0:45:42.680 --> 0:45:45.239 have some episodes later on in this week that do 0:45:45.400 --> 0:45:47.520 point more towards what you can do to protect yourself 0:45:47.520 --> 0:45:51.080 in the coming days, including Molly's episode tomorrow, so stay 0:45:51.080 --> 0:45:53.160 tuned for that. But this is just a quick, a 0:45:53.200 --> 0:45:56.040 quick rundown on why I don't like every single person 0:45:56.080 --> 0:46:16.640 appointed to these positions. 0:46:19.200 --> 0:46:22.120 I'm Michael Phillips, an historian and the author of a 0:46:22.160 --> 0:46:26.520 book about racism in Dallas called White Metropolis, an upcoming 0:46:26.520 --> 0:46:30.560 book about the eugenics mom in Texas called the Purifying Knife. 0:46:31.040 --> 0:46:35.319 I'm Stephen Monicelli, an investigative reporter who covers political extremism 0:46:35.360 --> 0:46:36.680 in Texas and beyond. 0:46:37.800 --> 0:46:40.680 In the Pitch Start. Just before midnight on August third, 0:46:40.719 --> 0:46:44.520 twenty nineteen, Patrick Crusius took off on what would soon 0:46:44.600 --> 0:46:47.960 be an infamous journey. The young man from the Dallas 0:46:48.000 --> 0:46:51.480 suburb of Allen, Texas, had become obsessed with an idea 0:46:51.800 --> 0:46:53.680 that would soon move him to murder. 0:46:54.560 --> 0:46:57.800 That idea had been inspired in part by Renaud Camu, 0:46:58.320 --> 0:47:01.240 a French racist and race aged by the growing Muslim 0:47:01.239 --> 0:47:05.080 population in Europe. In twenty eleven, Camu had given a 0:47:05.080 --> 0:47:08.040 new name to what was actually an old idea with 0:47:08.120 --> 0:47:12.719 the publication of his book Legrand Replacement, which translates in 0:47:12.760 --> 0:47:14.920 English to the Great Replacement. 0:47:16.560 --> 0:47:20.520 Camu argued that global elites had conspired to replace the white, 0:47:20.800 --> 0:47:24.880 culturally superior population of Europe with darker skinned people, who 0:47:24.920 --> 0:47:28.360 were mostly Muslims from the Middle East and Africa. He 0:47:28.440 --> 0:47:31.200 claimed these elites had opened the door to mass migration, 0:47:31.880 --> 0:47:36.600 discouraged white reproduction, and encouraged the newcomers to intermarry with whites. 0:47:37.239 --> 0:47:41.640 This racial displacement, Camu asserted, had brought crime and terrorism 0:47:41.680 --> 0:47:45.000 to Europe and threatened the very survival of Western culture. 0:47:46.920 --> 0:47:51.560 Camu's idea predated World War Two. The Great Replacement theory 0:47:51.600 --> 0:47:55.560 hardly differed from key ideas promoted by eugenicists in Western 0:47:55.560 --> 0:47:58.440 Europe and the United States in the late nineteenth century 0:47:58.600 --> 0:48:02.640 and early twenty century. Eugenicists sought to ensure the survival 0:48:02.680 --> 0:48:06.360 of those they believed to be biologically superior. Their methods 0:48:06.360 --> 0:48:11.760 included forced sterilization and harsh immigration restrictions. Failure in this mission, 0:48:11.800 --> 0:48:16.279 they believed, would lead to white extinction. But Camu's book 0:48:16.440 --> 0:48:20.120 enraged and energized a new generation of far right extremists, 0:48:20.600 --> 0:48:23.839 not just in his native France but all around the world. 0:48:24.719 --> 0:48:29.000 Camu didn't specifically identify the elite spuzzedly responsible for what 0:48:29.040 --> 0:48:32.840 he called a reverse colonization of the European homeland, but 0:48:33.000 --> 0:48:36.680 leaders of the international far right quickly filled in the blanks. 0:48:37.600 --> 0:48:41.920 The Great Replacement conspiracy theorists insisted had been engineered by 0:48:42.040 --> 0:48:45.600 Jews who desired to destroy the Arians, who served as 0:48:45.640 --> 0:48:49.719 their only competitors for global control. In the chaos that 0:48:49.760 --> 0:48:54.200 would unfold as Europe racially darkened, Jewish people would spuzzly 0:48:54.280 --> 0:48:58.200 complete their conquests of the world's politics and finances, and 0:48:58.200 --> 0:49:01.960 would enslave and now intellectually backward global workforce. 0:49:02.680 --> 0:49:06.920 Camu's racist fever dream ricocheted around the world and left 0:49:06.920 --> 0:49:10.080 behind it a trail of blood. The dread of the 0:49:10.080 --> 0:49:13.480 Great Replacement animated a coalition of neo Nazis and other 0:49:13.480 --> 0:49:16.960 white supremacists who swarmed to Charlottesville, Virginia, on the night 0:49:17.000 --> 0:49:20.799 of August eleventh, twenty seventeen, for a quote Unite the 0:49:20.880 --> 0:49:25.320 Right rally protesting the proposed removal of a statue honoring 0:49:25.440 --> 0:49:27.160 Confederate General Robert E. 0:49:27.320 --> 0:49:27.480 Lee. 0:49:28.400 --> 0:49:33.040 Carrying tiki torches, with many wearing matching polo shirts and khakis, 0:49:33.360 --> 0:49:35.680 the extremists paraded on the grounds of the University of 0:49:35.719 --> 0:49:40.160 Virginia campus, chanting white lives Matter and a phrase directly 0:49:40.200 --> 0:49:43.240 inspired by Camu's now six year old polemic. 0:49:43.960 --> 0:49:50.280 Why not Why not Jews? Who Jews? 0:49:53.320 --> 0:49:56.680 The next day, one of the racist marchers murdered an 0:49:56.680 --> 0:50:00.560 anti racism activist, Heather Hayer Whay. He ran this car 0:50:00.600 --> 0:50:04.719 into a crowd of counter protesters. The following year, in 0:50:04.760 --> 0:50:08.799 twenty eighteen, a forty six year old white nationalist who 0:50:08.840 --> 0:50:13.120 feared a hypothetical Jewish and Muslim plot to take over America, 0:50:13.719 --> 0:50:18.000 entered the Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh's Squirrel Hill neighborhood, and, 0:50:18.200 --> 0:50:22.320 using a long rifle and three semi automatic pistols, sprayed 0:50:22.360 --> 0:50:25.320 the congregation with bullets over a period of twenty minutes, 0:50:25.840 --> 0:50:30.040 murdering eleven and wounding six. The synagogue had participated in 0:50:30.120 --> 0:50:34.279 program to aid migrants fleeing violence and poverty in Central America, 0:50:34.880 --> 0:50:38.680 charity work that prompted the murderer, Robert Bowers, to post 0:50:38.719 --> 0:50:42.759 online that such organizations quote like to bring in invaders 0:50:42.760 --> 0:50:45.799 that kill our people. I can't sit by and watch 0:50:45.920 --> 0:50:47.320 my people get slaughtered. 0:50:48.760 --> 0:50:51.759 The Great Replacement Theory and its online promoters claimed a 0:50:51.840 --> 0:50:55.480 high body count in twenty nineteen. On March fifteenth, a 0:50:55.560 --> 0:50:59.280 twenty eight year old Australian man, Brendan Terrant, live streamed 0:50:59.320 --> 0:51:01.960 his slaughter a face fifty one Muslims and the wounding 0:51:02.200 --> 0:51:05.359 of eighty nine others at two mosques in christ Church, 0:51:05.400 --> 0:51:09.600 New Zealand. Tarrant authored a seventy four page manifesto which 0:51:09.640 --> 0:51:12.759 he emailed to newspapers and television stations, as well as 0:51:12.760 --> 0:51:15.959 new Zealand's Prime minister. He repeatedly referred to the Great 0:51:15.960 --> 0:51:20.799 Replacement theory and expressed admiration for Anders Brevick, a Norwegian 0:51:20.800 --> 0:51:23.560 neo Nazi terrorist who had killed seventy seven people in 0:51:23.640 --> 0:51:26.360 twenty eleven because of his hatred for Muslims who have 0:51:26.400 --> 0:51:31.040 settled across the European continent. In his manifesto, Tarrant praised 0:51:31.080 --> 0:51:34.640 American President Donald Trump as a quote symbol of renewed 0:51:34.680 --> 0:51:36.680 white identity and common purpose. 0:51:38.120 --> 0:51:41.120 The murders inspired by the Great Replacement theory were far 0:51:41.160 --> 0:51:44.760 from over. A mass shooting claimed three lives and wounded 0:51:44.800 --> 0:51:48.480 three others at a synagogue in Powway, California, in April twenty, 0:51:49.000 --> 0:51:53.200 twenty nineteen, and three others died in seventeen more suffered 0:51:53.239 --> 0:51:56.920 injuries during an attack at the Gilroy Garlick festival in 0:51:56.960 --> 0:52:00.799 the same state on July twenty eighth. This was the 0:52:00.840 --> 0:52:04.840 heartbreaking worldwide context in which Patrick Crusius of Allen, Texas 0:52:05.239 --> 0:52:08.720 took a fatal journey just six days after the Illroy massacre. 0:52:09.920 --> 0:52:12.960 Crusius marked his twenty first birthday just the weekend before 0:52:13.040 --> 0:52:15.880 the massacre, but for the unemployed young man, it was 0:52:15.960 --> 0:52:18.719 not a happy occasion. He had grown up watching his 0:52:18.719 --> 0:52:22.799 father's struggle with chemical dependency. High school classmates described him 0:52:22.800 --> 0:52:25.480 as withdrawn, and one claimed he had been bullied by 0:52:25.840 --> 0:52:29.600 Spanish speaking students. His parents divorced, and he moved to 0:52:29.640 --> 0:52:32.440 his grandparents' home in a suburb north of Dallas called Allan, 0:52:32.920 --> 0:52:35.399 a town with a median family income of more than 0:52:35.440 --> 0:52:38.680 one hundred and twenty one thousand dollars and a history 0:52:38.719 --> 0:52:42.640 of white flight. Unemployed, Crusius spent a lot of hours 0:52:42.640 --> 0:52:46.560 on eight Chan, an online message board favored by white supremacists. 0:52:48.000 --> 0:52:51.400 Crusius had given himself a grim mission he believed no 0:52:51.440 --> 0:52:54.600 one else had the guts to carry out, According to 0:52:54.640 --> 0:52:58.400 the Dallas Morning News. Late that Friday evening, he loaded 0:52:58.400 --> 0:53:02.120 his humble twenty twelve Honda Civic with his laptop computer, 0:53:02.880 --> 0:53:07.319 one thousand rounds Apollo point bullets ear muffs in a 0:53:07.320 --> 0:53:11.440 semi automatic civilian version of an AK forty seven he 0:53:11.520 --> 0:53:16.040 had ordered online from Romania. The Texas Tribune later reported 0:53:16.080 --> 0:53:19.880 that as of twenty nineteen, Romania was exporting nine thousand 0:53:20.040 --> 0:53:24.000 AK forty sevens to the United States every year. He 0:53:24.080 --> 0:53:28.080 also brought heavily insulated gloves because that rifle, he would 0:53:28.160 --> 0:53:32.760 later complain quote overheats massively. After about one hundred shots 0:53:32.840 --> 0:53:36.080 or fired in quick succession, the college student sought to 0:53:36.120 --> 0:53:39.520 start a war one he thought he wouldn't survive, but 0:53:39.640 --> 0:53:43.320 that if others followed his example might save the country. 0:53:44.160 --> 0:53:46.720 Head of his ten hour trek westward across the vast 0:53:46.760 --> 0:53:50.120 Texas landscape, Crusius filled his gas tank and pumped himself 0:53:50.120 --> 0:53:53.360 with energy drinks. He arrived in El Paso at about 0:53:53.400 --> 0:53:56.840 eight am, first parking at a CSE's Pizza, which happened 0:53:56.840 --> 0:53:59.680 to be closed. He then cruised around the border city 0:53:59.680 --> 0:54:02.759 of Homos, most seven hundred thousand people, where sixty three 0:54:02.800 --> 0:54:05.920 percent of the population primarily speaks Spanish at home. He 0:54:05.920 --> 0:54:08.799 eventually stopped at the parking lot of a Walmart superstore 0:54:09.239 --> 0:54:12.200 nicknamed the Juarez Walmart because of the large number of 0:54:12.200 --> 0:54:15.960 customers who shopped there from across the Mexican border. About 0:54:16.000 --> 0:54:18.759 three thousand people in all reestimated to be at the 0:54:18.800 --> 0:54:21.120 retail outlet when Crusius arrived. 0:54:21.960 --> 0:54:25.560 Crusius walked inside and cased the joint for at least 0:54:25.560 --> 0:54:28.640 half an hour. He went back to his civic and 0:54:28.719 --> 0:54:31.960 sat for a while in contemplation. Hungry, he went back 0:54:32.000 --> 0:54:35.640 into the store, bought an orange, and then, after returning 0:54:35.680 --> 0:54:38.799 to his car a second time, gobbled it. He then 0:54:38.880 --> 0:54:42.000 posted online a two three hundred and eighty eight word 0:54:42.440 --> 0:54:47.040 racist screed called The Inconvenient Truth. At about ten thirty eight, 0:54:47.360 --> 0:54:50.719 Crusius stepped out of his car, weapon in hand, and 0:54:50.800 --> 0:54:54.120 began massacring Mexicans and Mexican Americans. He described in his 0:54:54.200 --> 0:54:57.120 manifesto as quote the invaders. 0:54:57.760 --> 0:55:02.360 This is an NBC News special report. Here's Jose dis Bollard. 0:55:03.160 --> 0:55:05.879 Good afternoon and update now on that deadly shooting near 0:55:05.920 --> 0:55:09.000 a busy shopping mall in El Paso, Texas. It happened 0:55:09.000 --> 0:55:11.960 at a walmart near Colo Vista Mall this morning about 0:55:11.960 --> 0:55:15.120 ten am local time. The scene is about seven miles 0:55:15.160 --> 0:55:16.480 from downtown l Paso. 0:55:17.320 --> 0:55:20.920 In about three minutes, Crusius slaughtered twenty three and wounded 0:55:20.920 --> 0:55:23.960 twenty two others. In spite of expressing a wish that 0:55:24.000 --> 0:55:28.279 he would die in the attack, Crusius surrendered. Police quickly 0:55:28.320 --> 0:55:31.120 connected Crusius to his Internet diet tribe, which he opened 0:55:31.120 --> 0:55:34.600 by saying he quote supports the christ Church shooter and 0:55:34.680 --> 0:55:39.160 his manifesto referring to Brenton Terran Crusius then pivoted to 0:55:39.239 --> 0:55:43.360 outrage over Mexican immigration in the United States. Jason Whiteley 0:55:43.400 --> 0:55:47.120 of a WFAA in Dallas reported on the manifesto's disturbing content. 0:55:47.960 --> 0:55:51.920 In the letter, the shooter describes himself as a white nationalist, 0:55:52.200 --> 0:55:57.200 a right wing extremist consumed by conspiracy theories. In short, 0:55:57.280 --> 0:56:00.640 he thinks that white people are being replaced by immigrants 0:56:00.680 --> 0:56:03.719 in this country. The letter states this attack is in 0:56:03.760 --> 0:56:05.600 response to the Hispanic. 0:56:05.239 --> 0:56:06.680 Invasion of Texas. 0:56:07.120 --> 0:56:10.000 They are the instigators, he wrote, not me. I am 0:56:10.040 --> 0:56:13.799 simply defending my country from cultural and ethnic replacement brought 0:56:13.800 --> 0:56:14.680 on by an invasion. 0:56:16.000 --> 0:56:19.600 By the time of the El Paso massacre, eighty men, 0:56:19.760 --> 0:56:23.520 women and children had been murdered by extremists inspired by 0:56:23.520 --> 0:56:28.040 the great Replacement theory in twenty nineteen alone. The carnage 0:56:28.080 --> 0:56:32.080 didn't end at Al Paso. On May fourteenth, twenty twenty two, 0:56:32.600 --> 0:56:36.160 a white suspect wrote a hateful rant he posted online 0:56:36.360 --> 0:56:41.080 before murdering ten and wounding three African Americans in a Buffalo, 0:56:41.239 --> 0:56:45.879 New York supermarket. He linked declining white birth rates to genocide. 0:56:46.640 --> 0:56:51.440 On May sixth, twenty twenty three, Mauricio Martinez Scarcia, a 0:56:51.560 --> 0:56:56.920 Latino white supremacist who embraced neo Nazi ideology, drove from 0:56:57.000 --> 0:57:00.000 his Dallas apartment to an outlet mall in Crusius's home 0:57:00.080 --> 0:57:04.279 town of Allen, tattooed with a Swaska, garcias shot to 0:57:04.280 --> 0:57:07.720 death nine people, including a three year old, and wounded 0:57:07.800 --> 0:57:11.520 seven others before being killed by a police officer. Garcia 0:57:11.640 --> 0:57:15.040 seemed to be targeting Asians and Asian Americans. 0:57:15.520 --> 0:57:19.000 Throughout this mayhem. The political right has proven eager to 0:57:19.000 --> 0:57:22.200 blame everything but the wide open gun laws in places 0:57:22.240 --> 0:57:25.120 like Texas, which made it legal for Crusius to mail 0:57:25.280 --> 0:57:29.000 order a civilian style AK forty seven. There was no 0:57:29.040 --> 0:57:32.560 interrogation of the long history of racism or of repeated 0:57:32.600 --> 0:57:36.760 Republican rhetoric depicting immigrants as dangerous, but there were other 0:57:36.880 --> 0:57:40.760 convenient excuses. In an interview on the Sunday edition of 0:57:40.840 --> 0:57:44.840 Fox and Friends shortly after the Opasser tragedy, Texas Lieutenant 0:57:44.880 --> 0:57:49.320 Governor Dan Patrick offered a menu of alternative explanations for 0:57:49.400 --> 0:57:53.320 the mass shooting, such as video games. He also suggested 0:57:53.320 --> 0:57:56.920 that public schools needed a healthy infusion of theocracy and 0:57:56.960 --> 0:58:00.560 reverence for the stars and stripes, and where are we. 0:58:00.520 --> 0:58:01.640 As a country. 0:58:02.000 --> 0:58:04.680 I look at social media, that the violence of just 0:58:04.760 --> 0:58:07.320 bullying people on social media every day, and we turn 0:58:07.360 --> 0:58:10.800 our head and we allow it. I look at on 0:58:10.840 --> 0:58:13.240 a Sunday morning when most of your viewers right now, 0:58:13.280 --> 0:58:15.320 half of the country are getting ready to go to church, 0:58:15.720 --> 0:58:18.600 and yet tomorrow we won't let our kids even pray 0:58:18.600 --> 0:58:22.480 in our schools. We have to look at ourselves as 0:58:22.520 --> 0:58:25.880 a nation. That's many factors that go into the shooting, 0:58:25.920 --> 0:58:28.840 many factors, and it's not a time to politicize at 0:58:28.880 --> 0:58:31.200 the time to look deep inside of who we are 0:58:31.200 --> 0:58:34.600 as a country where we no longer salute our flag 0:58:34.720 --> 0:58:37.160 or we throw water on law enforcement and thank god 0:58:37.160 --> 0:58:38.120 we have law enforcement. 0:58:39.000 --> 0:58:42.840 In recent years, Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick has described immigration 0:58:42.920 --> 0:58:45.480 at the southern border as an invasion that is part 0:58:45.520 --> 0:58:49.080 of a democratic plan to quote take over our country 0:58:49.120 --> 0:58:53.160 without firing a shot. In response to this alleged plan, 0:58:53.640 --> 0:58:56.160 Patrick has said that Texas has a right to defend 0:58:56.160 --> 0:59:00.640 itself from the threat of criminal invaders. In a Fox 0:59:00.680 --> 0:59:03.680 News interview in twenty twenty four, for. 0:59:03.680 --> 0:59:07.240 All those people who should come here legally processed and vetted, 0:59:08.600 --> 0:59:12.640 in that group are hundreds of thousands, thousands, and thousands 0:59:12.680 --> 0:59:18.080 of criminals, murderers, molesters, gang members, drug dealers, carjackers, kidnappers, 0:59:18.320 --> 0:59:21.080 you name it, they're part of this group and terrorist. 0:59:21.720 --> 0:59:25.600 Patrick Crusius's panic about white genocide and the violent rise 0:59:26.000 --> 0:59:29.640 of black and brown people against Western civilization had deep 0:59:29.720 --> 0:59:34.520 roots in American culture. The Texas history of segregation, white 0:59:34.520 --> 0:59:40.400 flight post September eleventh, Islamophobia, and the backlash to globalization 0:59:40.640 --> 0:59:45.680 poison Crusius' particular worldview. But perhaps the biggest factor in 0:59:45.720 --> 0:59:49.280 Crusius's murderous rampage was that he was taught to hate 0:59:49.280 --> 0:59:51.880 and fear immigrants by the grown ups around him in 0:59:51.920 --> 0:59:53.280 the Dallas Fort Worth area. 0:59:53.760 --> 0:59:56.480 But before we get into that, a quick eye break. 1:00:05.920 --> 1:00:08.280 The fear of white extinction at the hands of so 1:00:08.400 --> 1:00:11.760 called savages dates back to Puritan New England in the 1:00:11.760 --> 1:00:15.560 sixteen hundreds. Even as they lethally infected tens of thousands 1:00:15.600 --> 1:00:20.280 of native peoples with bubonic plague, malaria, measles, smallplocks, and typhus, 1:00:20.720 --> 1:00:23.880 English colonizers slew thousands more in wars of conquests that 1:00:24.040 --> 1:00:27.640 did not spare the very old, infants, that disabled, or 1:00:27.640 --> 1:00:31.800 the unarmed Puritans didn't just kill Native Americans. They often 1:00:31.800 --> 1:00:35.760 tortured them first and desecrated their bodies with rituals of humiliation, 1:00:36.080 --> 1:00:39.840 such as scalping. With each act of genocide, however, the 1:00:39.880 --> 1:00:44.439 Puritans projected those war crimes on their victims. One Puritan leader, 1:00:44.480 --> 1:00:48.320 William Bradford, the governor of the Plymouth Colony, warned that 1:00:48.360 --> 1:00:52.200 whites were in quote continual danger of the savage people. 1:00:52.920 --> 1:00:55.480 A white habit of mind formed that relieved any guilt 1:00:55.600 --> 1:00:59.440 the inhabitants of colonial America might feel about their bloodthirsty conquests. 1:01:00.080 --> 1:01:03.640 The invaders became the defenders of the homeland, the outarmed 1:01:03.680 --> 1:01:08.680 became the menace, and the vanquished became the aggressors. In fact, 1:01:09.040 --> 1:01:11.400 genocide became an act of self defense. 1:01:12.560 --> 1:01:16.160 In the Lone Star State public school students are required 1:01:16.200 --> 1:01:20.120 to study Texas history, Crusius would have been fed highly 1:01:20.160 --> 1:01:23.840 distorted accounts of the Texas Revolution of eighteen thirty five 1:01:23.880 --> 1:01:27.720 to eighteen thirty six, Although the content has improved since 1:01:27.760 --> 1:01:31.640 the Civil Rights movement. For the most part, Texas history 1:01:31.680 --> 1:01:36.800 textbooks have depicted Mexican soldiers as ruthless killers who, without qualms, 1:01:37.200 --> 1:01:40.600 shot Anglo soldiers at the Battle of Goliad in Southeast 1:01:40.600 --> 1:01:44.040 Texas and the survivors at the Alamo after they surrendered. 1:01:44.680 --> 1:01:47.800 These same students were not typically taught that white Texans 1:01:47.880 --> 1:01:51.840 massacred six hundred and fifty Mexican soldiers, most of whom 1:01:51.920 --> 1:01:54.720 had already cast away their weapons after the Battle of 1:01:54.760 --> 1:01:58.840 San Jacinto, the engagement that ended the Texas Revolutionary War. 1:02:00.080 --> 1:02:03.400 The late twentieth century, Texas students were also taught that 1:02:03.760 --> 1:02:06.720 after the Civil War, the abolition of slavery and the 1:02:07.040 --> 1:02:12.000 enfranchisemen of African Americans, dangerous chaos reigned. A sort of 1:02:12.200 --> 1:02:16.680 racist myth was promoted in textbooks and classroom lectures that Reconstruction, 1:02:17.200 --> 1:02:21.720 the state's first brief, failed experiment in multiracial democracy, was 1:02:22.040 --> 1:02:26.320 actually a tragedy. According to the legend promoted in schoolhouses, 1:02:26.760 --> 1:02:31.320 Reconstruction was defined not by increased literacy, improved infrastructure, in 1:02:31.360 --> 1:02:35.240 the expansion of black human rights, but instead by political corruption, 1:02:35.640 --> 1:02:40.120 wild government overspending, high taxes, out of control crime, and 1:02:40.240 --> 1:02:45.640 endemic incompetence. During Reconstruction, children were taught the United States 1:02:46.040 --> 1:02:49.840 armed African American soldiers who then harassed and assaulted harmless whites, 1:02:49.920 --> 1:02:54.200 especially women. In short across the curriculum, white students learned 1:02:54.200 --> 1:02:57.480 that whenever black and brown people gained power politically, socially, 1:02:57.600 --> 1:03:01.160 or economically, white people have been in mortal peril, a 1:03:01.240 --> 1:03:04.880 lesson that implies the need to kill or be killed. 1:03:05.880 --> 1:03:09.480 In the nineteen twenties and nineteen thirties, white American school 1:03:09.560 --> 1:03:13.760 kids across the country were indoctrinated into accepting eugenics in 1:03:13.840 --> 1:03:17.240 their biology classes. They learned that if they didn't produce 1:03:17.320 --> 1:03:22.880 large enough families, whites would lose a demographic race to Jews, Italians, Russians, 1:03:23.160 --> 1:03:26.480 and other immigrants pouring into the country. A best selling 1:03:26.480 --> 1:03:30.640 American author in the nineteen twenties, Lothrope Stoddard, warned his 1:03:30.800 --> 1:03:35.360 readers that unless trends were reversed racially, superior Nordics, as 1:03:35.360 --> 1:03:38.280 he called those from western northern Europe, might have to 1:03:38.320 --> 1:03:41.880 fight a war of extermination to stem a deadly tide 1:03:41.880 --> 1:03:44.520 of color that when gulf white people worldwide. 1:03:45.760 --> 1:03:48.920 El Paso shooter Patrick Crusius grew up in Collin County, 1:03:49.160 --> 1:03:52.640 which borders Dallas County on the north. The county's wealth 1:03:52.680 --> 1:03:55.600 before the Civil War derived primarily from cotton cultivated by 1:03:55.720 --> 1:04:00.320 enslaved labor. During reconstruction, klansmen organized in the county seat 1:04:00.360 --> 1:04:04.120 of McKinney to terrorize African Americans into not voting. African 1:04:04.160 --> 1:04:07.720 Americans continued to toil as farm labor after reconstruction, and 1:04:07.760 --> 1:04:10.600 the white population kept them under tight control through occasional 1:04:10.600 --> 1:04:15.160 outbursts of homicidal violence. In the summer of eighteen ninety eight, 1:04:15.880 --> 1:04:19.480 local whites panicked when between thirty to forty African Americans 1:04:19.520 --> 1:04:22.000 from out of town routinely gathered during a rainy season 1:04:22.360 --> 1:04:24.400 in hopes to be on hand when the weather cleared 1:04:24.480 --> 1:04:27.960 up so they could resume working. Ominous notices began to 1:04:28.000 --> 1:04:31.240 appear around the town that said quote, mister Negro, don't 1:04:31.280 --> 1:04:34.760 let the sun go down on you. On June fifteenth 1:04:34.800 --> 1:04:37.640 of that year, klansmen warned black residents that they had 1:04:37.680 --> 1:04:41.320 no more than ten days to leave the area. One family, 1:04:41.520 --> 1:04:44.000 the Sebroans, became the target of a violent mob of 1:04:44.080 --> 1:04:47.320 vigilantes known as white cappers, who arrived at their home 1:04:47.360 --> 1:04:49.000 in the middle of the night to punish them for 1:04:49.120 --> 1:04:52.800 not vacating their home on Main Street. Anticipating the arrival 1:04:52.840 --> 1:04:56.040 of the terrorists, Jake Sebrin stood by the door of 1:04:56.080 --> 1:04:59.520 his home holding a Winchester rifle. When his assailants realized 1:04:59.560 --> 1:05:02.640 he had a gun, they fired into the house. Jake 1:05:02.680 --> 1:05:05.080 then attempted to shoot back, but he was unable to 1:05:05.120 --> 1:05:08.040 stop the assailants from fatally shooting his pregnant wife, Laura. 1:05:08.720 --> 1:05:11.280 The three Sebran children were found screaming and clinging to 1:05:11.280 --> 1:05:13.840 bed sheets near their mother's bloody body inside their home. 1:05:13.920 --> 1:05:16.920 When it was all said and done, white Capper violence 1:05:17.000 --> 1:05:20.600 continued for years across the state, targeting both African Americans 1:05:20.640 --> 1:05:23.920 and Mexican Americans in an effort to maintain white supremacy. 1:05:24.800 --> 1:05:29.520 Thirteen years later, on August eleventh, nineteen eleven, Colin County 1:05:29.560 --> 1:05:34.720 authorities arrested a Farmersville man, Commodore Jones, for allegedly flirting 1:05:34.760 --> 1:05:38.480 with a white telephone operator. A mob of three hundred 1:05:38.520 --> 1:05:42.800 outraged white siezed Jones from police custody, carried him to 1:05:42.840 --> 1:05:45.400 the city square, and hanged him from a pole in 1:05:45.400 --> 1:05:49.440 front of the telephone office. In spite of this bloody history, 1:05:49.560 --> 1:05:53.560 Colin County got rich and by the nineteen seventies transformed 1:05:53.560 --> 1:05:58.040 into a major urban center. This development correlated with white flight, 1:05:58.480 --> 1:06:01.840 as Dallas glacially to come to court order de segregation 1:06:02.000 --> 1:06:05.640 beginning in the nineteen sixties and after uprising in response 1:06:05.680 --> 1:06:08.720 to a Dallas police officer forcing a twelve year old 1:06:08.800 --> 1:06:12.800 Latino Santos Rodriguez to play a fatal game of Russian 1:06:12.880 --> 1:06:15.200 Roulette in the backseat of a police squad car. 1:06:16.440 --> 1:06:20.760 White flight fueled population explosion in Colin County, governed by 1:06:20.760 --> 1:06:23.640 conservatives who kept property taxes low compared to those in 1:06:23.680 --> 1:06:27.400 the metropolitan center to the south. Corporations followed this population 1:06:27.480 --> 1:06:30.840 shift during the half century between the nineteen seventies and 1:06:30.840 --> 1:06:34.800 the twenty twenties. Doctor Pepper, Friedo, Lay J. C. Penny, Curing, 1:06:34.920 --> 1:06:38.560 Pizza Hut, and the Professional Golfers Association of America, as 1:06:38.560 --> 1:06:43.520 well as Toyota, planted their corporate headquarters there. However, even 1:06:43.560 --> 1:06:45.840 if whites moved to Colin County in the nineteen seventies 1:06:45.840 --> 1:06:49.840 to avoid school integration and feared urban unrest, the new 1:06:49.880 --> 1:06:53.840 corporations brought with them diverse work forces that include Muslims, Hindus, 1:06:53.840 --> 1:06:56.960 and people of color from all around the world. In 1:06:56.960 --> 1:07:00.120 two thousand, non Hispanic whites made up slightly more more 1:07:00.160 --> 1:07:03.800 than eighty one percent of the Colin County population. In 1:07:03.840 --> 1:07:07.520 twenty twenty, that number was slightly less than fifty one percent. 1:07:08.120 --> 1:07:11.480 Asian Americans and Asian immigrants made up almost seven percent 1:07:11.480 --> 1:07:14.760 of the population, while Mexican Americans and immigrants from south 1:07:14.800 --> 1:07:18.080 of the Rio Grand represented more than ten percent. All 1:07:18.080 --> 1:07:21.760 the ingredients needed were present for a vicious racial backlash. 1:07:22.760 --> 1:07:25.880 By twenty thirteen, the right wing in the entire Dallas 1:07:25.920 --> 1:07:29.720 Fort Worth area was in full panic mode about immigration. 1:07:30.760 --> 1:07:33.720 In twenty nineteen, Texas was believed to have the largest 1:07:33.800 --> 1:07:37.960 Muslim population of any state, numbering about four hundred and 1:07:37.960 --> 1:07:41.240 twenty two thousand, still less than two percent of the 1:07:41.280 --> 1:07:45.080 total state population, but one of the fastest growing religious 1:07:45.080 --> 1:07:49.000 demographics in the area. Two thirds of that population lives 1:07:49.000 --> 1:07:53.360 in the Houston and Dallas Fort Worth metropolitan areas. Muslim 1:07:53.360 --> 1:07:56.800 worshippers pray it as many as fifty five mosque in 1:07:56.840 --> 1:07:59.959 the Dallas Fort Worth area in the Muslim population north 1:08:00.080 --> 1:08:03.600 central Texas is believed to have tripled since twenty ten. 1:08:04.640 --> 1:08:08.560 In twenty thirteen, Harry Lrosalieer won election as mayor in 1:08:08.600 --> 1:08:12.200 the Collin County city of Plano. Conservatives mocked him at 1:08:12.200 --> 1:08:14.880 the time as the quote mayor from Haiti in reference 1:08:14.880 --> 1:08:18.920 to his birthplace. When affordable multi family housing was proposed 1:08:19.240 --> 1:08:22.400 for the suburb of Plano. Fear quickly spread that black 1:08:22.400 --> 1:08:26.320 and brown, low income workers would fill those residences. Signs 1:08:26.360 --> 1:08:30.200 appeared that said quote, don't Dallas my Plano, referring to 1:08:30.240 --> 1:08:33.080 the largely black and brown population in the metropolitan center. 1:08:33.880 --> 1:08:36.680 Republican politicians across the Dallas Fort Worth area began to 1:08:36.720 --> 1:08:40.600 warn that some of the newcomers plotted to impose quote Sharia, 1:08:41.160 --> 1:08:44.840 or Muslim law. The panic stemmed from the practice of 1:08:44.920 --> 1:08:50.479 many American mosques offering non binding mediation services employing principles 1:08:50.479 --> 1:08:53.839 from the Qur'an to couples in troubled marriages to resolve 1:08:53.880 --> 1:08:58.040 bitter business disputes between Muslims and so on. Such arbitration 1:08:58.160 --> 1:09:01.040 is not legally binding in Muslim practice can't be imposed 1:09:01.080 --> 1:09:02.880 on non Muslims because of the First Amendment of the 1:09:02.920 --> 1:09:07.120 United States Constitution, which forbids the government from establishing any 1:09:07.160 --> 1:09:11.280 sort of religion. Nevertheless, one Plaino State representative, Jeff Leach, 1:09:11.479 --> 1:09:15.479 in twenty fifteen, introduced an anti Sharia law in the 1:09:15.520 --> 1:09:20.120 Texas legislature. His bill failed, but Governor Abbott later signed 1:09:20.120 --> 1:09:24.240 a similar law in twenty seventeen. Stay with us through 1:09:24.240 --> 1:09:30.160 this ad break to learn more. 1:09:35.080 --> 1:09:38.599 Dread about Muslims and Sharia law dominated politics in Irving, 1:09:38.920 --> 1:09:41.639 a suburb with a population of about a quarter million 1:09:41.680 --> 1:09:46.160 people twelve miles northwest of Dallas from much of twenty fifteen. 1:09:46.920 --> 1:09:51.200 In February, then Mayor Beth Van Dyne, who later became 1:09:51.240 --> 1:09:56.439 a Trump appointee, characterized a Muslim mediation panel reportedly located 1:09:56.439 --> 1:09:59.920 in the Islamic center of Irving as an Islamic court. 1:10:00.640 --> 1:10:04.200 She introduced a resolution to the Irving City Council supporting 1:10:04.280 --> 1:10:08.759 Leech's proposed legislation. It passed five to four, as reported 1:10:08.760 --> 1:10:10.799 by a CBS affiliate in Dallas. 1:10:11.680 --> 1:10:15.200 Irving Mayor Beth van Dyne has accused local Muslim leaders 1:10:15.200 --> 1:10:19.120 in the past of creating their own laws called Sharia law, 1:10:19.400 --> 1:10:24.479 and adjudicating that doctrine bypassing the state and federal court system. 1:10:24.840 --> 1:10:28.280 Catholic and Jewish faiths also have similar tribunals that are 1:10:28.320 --> 1:10:32.479 presided over by faith leaders who act as arbitrators. But 1:10:32.560 --> 1:10:35.920 the locally mom here in Irving says Islam is being 1:10:36.000 --> 1:10:38.400 targeted yet not breaking any law. 1:10:39.120 --> 1:10:43.680 They believe that we are trying to supersede the or 1:10:43.760 --> 1:10:44.439 state laws. 1:10:44.800 --> 1:10:45.920 And that's not the case. 1:10:46.240 --> 1:10:49.120 We work within the boundaries of federal and state law. 1:10:50.080 --> 1:10:53.320 Anti Muslim tensions spread across the Dallas Fort Worth area, 1:10:53.680 --> 1:10:57.679 ending in tragic violence. Anti Muslim extremists held a deliberately 1:10:57.720 --> 1:11:01.559 provocative quote draw the profit art contest in Garland, Texas, 1:11:01.880 --> 1:11:04.200 a city of about two hundred and thirty five thousand 1:11:04.280 --> 1:11:07.200 just north of Dallas, Knowing that the images of Mohammed 1:11:07.240 --> 1:11:10.200 are prohibited by Islam and were likely to inflame the 1:11:10.240 --> 1:11:14.400 broader Muslim community. Two heavily armed Muslim men took the 1:11:14.439 --> 1:11:17.599 bait that day, driving from out of state and arriving 1:11:17.640 --> 1:11:20.160 at the scene of the contest on May third. They 1:11:20.200 --> 1:11:23.160 then shot a Garland police car before being killed with 1:11:23.240 --> 1:11:23.880 return fire. 1:11:25.000 --> 1:11:28.839 Little more than four months at the Garland shootings, Irving 1:11:28.880 --> 1:11:34.360 police arrested Achmed Mohammed, a Muslim of Sudanese background, on 1:11:34.680 --> 1:11:38.920 September fourteenth, twenty fifteen, after the fourteen year old had 1:11:38.920 --> 1:11:42.160 brought a digital clock built as a personal science project 1:11:42.360 --> 1:11:46.920 to MacArthur High School. Proud of his creation, Mohammed showed 1:11:46.920 --> 1:11:49.400 the clock to one of his teachers, who subjected the 1:11:49.400 --> 1:11:53.400 boy to racial profiling, fearing the clock might be a bomb. 1:11:53.720 --> 1:11:57.000 The teacher seized the device and sent Mohammed to the principal, 1:11:57.000 --> 1:12:00.960 who then called irving police officers and interrogated the boy 1:12:01.120 --> 1:12:04.439 for ninety minutes while his parents were denied access to 1:12:04.479 --> 1:12:09.040 their son. Meanwhile, a militia inspired by Irving Mayor Van 1:12:09.120 --> 1:12:13.000 Dine's alarmist warnings of as Sharia law showed up at 1:12:13.040 --> 1:12:16.360 two mosque and the Dallas suburbs, wearing camouflage and mask 1:12:16.800 --> 1:12:20.920 and brandishing twelve gage shotguns as a stock worshipper's going 1:12:20.920 --> 1:12:21.360 to prayer. 1:12:22.520 --> 1:12:25.200 Islamophobia in the Dallas Fort Worth area even extended to 1:12:25.240 --> 1:12:29.240 deceased Muslims. The Islamic Association of Collin County had hoped 1:12:29.240 --> 1:12:32.400 to establish a thirty five acre burial plot in Farmersville, 1:12:32.560 --> 1:12:35.520 a town of about four thousand people. When the Farmersville 1:12:35.560 --> 1:12:37.800 Planning and Zoning Commission approved the plan in May twenty 1:12:37.800 --> 1:12:42.320 fifteen without assending vote, furious opposition erupted. According to a 1:12:42.320 --> 1:12:43.440 CNN report. 1:12:44.160 --> 1:12:47.760 Farmersville is about twenty five miles away from Garland, Texas, 1:12:47.920 --> 1:12:51.160 where in May police killed two Muslim gunmen who tried 1:12:51.160 --> 1:12:53.439 to carry out a deadly attack at a draw The 1:12:53.520 --> 1:12:58.400 prophet Mohammed event One resident in Farmersville has even suggested 1:12:58.479 --> 1:13:01.040 using pigs to scare away the Muslim group. 1:13:01.160 --> 1:13:04.960 Pek and dump pig's blud and pig heads on a float. 1:13:05.280 --> 1:13:06.479 They won't buy the land. 1:13:07.520 --> 1:13:10.639 If I had my way, I would outlaw at Islam 1:13:10.760 --> 1:13:15.160 in America. Farmersville resident Jack Hawkins declared that Planning Zoning 1:13:15.160 --> 1:13:19.200 Commission meeting quote, I would tear down every mosque that 1:13:19.280 --> 1:13:22.000 was in this country. That's how I feel about it. 1:13:22.880 --> 1:13:26.280 A local Baptist minister suggested that the cemetery would lead 1:13:26.320 --> 1:13:30.200 to the establishment of the Madrasa, a Muslim religious school 1:13:30.200 --> 1:13:33.200 that could become a training ground for extremists. He was 1:13:33.240 --> 1:13:35.120 interviewed by CNN. 1:13:35.080 --> 1:13:37.200 And I believe I'm a watchman on the wall Ezekiel 1:13:37.280 --> 1:13:39.639 thirty three see the incoming danger. 1:13:39.760 --> 1:13:43.040 David Meeks is the pastor of Bethlehem Baptist Church, which 1:13:43.080 --> 1:13:46.680 ironically sits next to a cemetery. He says the cemetery 1:13:46.720 --> 1:13:49.200 could bring radical Islam to Farmersville. 1:13:49.439 --> 1:13:51.800 I see the expansion of Islam that's going on all 1:13:51.840 --> 1:13:54.280 over the world, now's coming to my hometown. 1:13:54.840 --> 1:13:56.920 And you see that danger in a cemetery. 1:13:57.080 --> 1:14:00.680 Anytime you see the Islamic folks coming into an neighborhood. 1:14:01.439 --> 1:14:04.679 I think, in my opinion, I think you can say 1:14:05.479 --> 1:14:07.600 we could be less safe in the future than we 1:14:07.640 --> 1:14:08.360 are right now. 1:14:09.520 --> 1:14:12.759 One hundred opponents of the cemetery crowded into a July fourteenth, 1:14:12.760 --> 1:14:16.240 twenty sixteen, city council meeting in Farmersville, with some residents 1:14:16.280 --> 1:14:20.080 expressing the fear that Muslim corpses would countaminate the local 1:14:20.120 --> 1:14:23.680 water supply. Members of the local Muslim community and of 1:14:23.680 --> 1:14:27.680 the Farmersville City Council suffered threats of violence. Facing a 1:14:27.720 --> 1:14:31.400 federal lawsuit, the City of Farmersville finally relented and on 1:14:31.439 --> 1:14:36.120 September twentieth, twenty eighteen, allowed the Islamic Association to move 1:14:36.160 --> 1:14:38.480 ahead with purchasing the land needed for their graveyard. 1:14:39.000 --> 1:14:42.120 This is the poison air. Patrick Crusius grew up breathing. 1:14:42.960 --> 1:14:46.120 He didn't kill because of computer games, because they didn't 1:14:46.160 --> 1:14:50.160 pray at schools he attended, because of protest against police violence, 1:14:50.600 --> 1:14:54.360 or the collapse of respect for authority. Crusius wrote that 1:14:54.439 --> 1:14:58.680 America is rotting quote from the inside out, because of immigration, 1:14:59.120 --> 1:15:01.559 and that unless why heights took up arms against dark 1:15:01.680 --> 1:15:07.040 skinned newcomers, whites could become extinct in his manifesto, Crusius 1:15:07.040 --> 1:15:11.120 insisted he embraced the great replacement theory before Donald Trump 1:15:11.160 --> 1:15:15.280 became president. One can only wonder how many other self 1:15:15.320 --> 1:15:18.840 appointed racial warriors might be inspired of violence by the 1:15:18.880 --> 1:15:22.920 twenty twenty four presidential campaign that centered mostly on the 1:15:22.960 --> 1:15:28.080 purported dangers of what Trump repeatedly called migrant crime, including 1:15:28.120 --> 1:15:31.640 the eating of neighbors, cats and dogs in the spread. 1:15:31.360 --> 1:15:32.480 Of deadly diseases. 1:15:33.320 --> 1:15:36.439 Trump has even repeated the warnings of early twentieth century 1:15:36.439 --> 1:15:40.719 eugenicists about the biological damage he claims immigrants are bringing 1:15:41.240 --> 1:15:45.440 bad genes to the United States. He says Trump's incendiary 1:15:45.560 --> 1:15:49.520 anti immigrant rhetoric has been compiled by the new site Politico. 1:15:50.920 --> 1:15:57.080 Americans have watched their communities destroyed by this sudden, suffocating 1:15:58.000 --> 1:16:01.240 inundation of illegal alience. I said, if you let them in, 1:16:01.400 --> 1:16:06.080 it's going to be hell. They are vicious, violent criminals. 1:16:06.080 --> 1:16:10.200 These are stone cold killers. They'll walk into your kitchen, 1:16:10.200 --> 1:16:12.960 they'll cut your throat. These are people at the highest 1:16:13.080 --> 1:16:16.559 level of killing that cut your throat and they won't 1:16:16.560 --> 1:16:19.280 even think about it the next morning. These people are 1:16:19.360 --> 1:16:22.080 roaming our country. They could go into a restaurant, they 1:16:22.080 --> 1:16:24.719 can do whatever they want, and they will. 1:16:24.600 --> 1:16:28.360 Kill you because they are wired that way. 1:16:28.520 --> 1:16:30.640 These people are animals. Now they'll say, oh, that's a 1:16:30.760 --> 1:16:33.240 terrible thing for him to say. No, No, these people 1:16:33.280 --> 1:16:33.879 are animals. 1:16:33.920 --> 1:16:34.759 It's in their jeens. 1:16:35.240 --> 1:16:37.000 And we got a lot of bad jeans in our 1:16:37.040 --> 1:16:37.880 country right now. 1:16:38.560 --> 1:16:42.240 That tread a white genocide has been nurtured across centuries 1:16:42.280 --> 1:16:45.360 of American history and has become one of this country's 1:16:45.560 --> 1:16:46.640 major exports. 1:16:48.040 --> 1:16:51.720 And with politicians like Donald Trump stoking fear about the 1:16:51.760 --> 1:16:57.599 alleged quote enemy within and promoting mass deportations and the 1:16:57.640 --> 1:17:02.120 idea of quote remigration, which is a notion with a 1:17:02.200 --> 1:17:05.519 deeply fascist history, we are almost certain to see the 1:17:05.520 --> 1:17:09.559 great replacement panic continue to boil under the surface of 1:17:09.600 --> 1:17:14.400 a society with constantly shifting demographics. Ongoing economic insecurity will 1:17:14.400 --> 1:17:18.559 feed into this, and the passive acceptance of gun violence 1:17:18.560 --> 1:17:23.040 as the price for American freedom will certainly feed into 1:17:23.520 --> 1:17:27.360 future racist violence. This is Stephen Monticelli and. 1:17:27.320 --> 1:17:29.559 This is Michael Phillips. Thanks for listening. 1:17:49.840 --> 1:17:52.320 Welcome to It Happened Here, a podcast where it has 1:17:52.400 --> 1:17:56.639 happened here. I'm your host Via Wong with Vias Gere. Hello, Ger, 1:17:56.760 --> 1:18:00.519 how are you doing this occursive day. Oh, I'm feeling 1:18:00.640 --> 1:18:04.240 very healthy. I'm up on my vaccines. I'm doing pretty good. 1:18:04.479 --> 1:18:08.040 Just had a nice bowl of cereal. Hell yeah, it's great. Well, 1:18:08.080 --> 1:18:10.880 you're doing better than the country is about to be doing. 1:18:11.000 --> 1:18:18.719 Because this one, this one's bad, folks. So a couple 1:18:18.720 --> 1:18:21.400 of days ago, we promised that RFK Junior was getting 1:18:21.400 --> 1:18:26.479 his own episode, and he's getting eighty five ninety percent 1:18:26.520 --> 1:18:28.680 of his own episode. There's one other guy we're going 1:18:28.760 --> 1:18:35.000 to talk about, but unfortunately former presidential candidate Robert F. 1:18:35.280 --> 1:18:38.120 Kennedy. I don't know what the F stands for Fitzgerald. 1:18:38.160 --> 1:18:44.320 I'm assuming Fitzgerald. Robert Fitzgerald Kennedy Junior has been nominated 1:18:44.360 --> 1:18:47.760 by Donald Trump to lead the Department of Health and 1:18:47.840 --> 1:18:51.240 Human Services. I first off need to note that RFK 1:18:51.320 --> 1:18:53.800 Junior has been credibly accused of sexual assault, and when 1:18:53.800 --> 1:18:56.080 asked for comment by The Washington Post, he said, and 1:18:56.160 --> 1:18:59.400 I quote, I said in my announcement speech that I 1:18:59.439 --> 1:19:01.960 have so many skeletons in my closet that if they 1:19:01.960 --> 1:19:04.080 could all vote, I could run for king of the world. 1:19:05.400 --> 1:19:08.040 Now, legally, I cannot. 1:19:07.680 --> 1:19:10.960 Make an interpretation of how you want to piece together 1:19:11.040 --> 1:19:14.160 those sets of facts, but he was accused of it, 1:19:14.200 --> 1:19:17.400 and that's what he said when the Washington Post acts 1:19:17.600 --> 1:19:20.960 for comment, So you know, that's great. 1:19:21.360 --> 1:19:26.400 Between that and like all the sexual misconduct allegations against 1:19:26.479 --> 1:19:29.000 Musk and like everyone else involved in Trump's orbit, Matt 1:19:29.040 --> 1:19:33.840 gets Vince McMahon and his wife, the whole like me too. 1:19:34.000 --> 1:19:37.160 Era feels kind of dead, and it kind of has 1:19:37.240 --> 1:19:41.200 been for a while. But really, the general voting public 1:19:41.280 --> 1:19:42.280 does not care at all. 1:19:42.400 --> 1:19:44.559 Yeah, it does not seem to. It's very bleak. 1:19:45.160 --> 1:19:48.640 That's not even remotely the bleak is part about this appointment. 1:19:48.200 --> 1:19:52.439 Though, So oh no, he's He's that for so many reasons. 1:19:52.479 --> 1:19:53.000 Holy shit. 1:19:53.160 --> 1:19:57.439 So I think if you are like most people listening 1:19:57.520 --> 1:20:00.640 to this, I don't think people tend to have an 1:20:00.720 --> 1:20:05.439 understanding of how many fucking departments there are, like under 1:20:05.520 --> 1:20:07.639 the Department of Health and Human Services, just how many 1:20:07.680 --> 1:20:12.840 different organizations there are. I originally I had listed them 1:20:12.840 --> 1:20:14.639 all out, and then I was like, I can't do this. 1:20:15.160 --> 1:20:16.519 It's too long to read in the podcast. 1:20:16.600 --> 1:20:20.439 So here are the important ones for our purposes. Nic, 1:20:20.439 --> 1:20:21.960 this isn't even all the important ones, but here are 1:20:22.000 --> 1:20:24.600 some of the important ones. So under the Apartment of 1:20:24.600 --> 1:20:27.360 Health and Human Services is, the Centers for Disease Control 1:20:27.400 --> 1:20:30.280 and Prevention, the Centers from Medicare and Medicaid Services, the 1:20:30.280 --> 1:20:33.639 Food and Drug Administration, the National Institutes of Health, the 1:20:33.640 --> 1:20:36.799 Office of Inspector General, and the Office for Civil Rights. 1:20:38.800 --> 1:20:43.720 So we've just put probably the US's. 1:20:43.280 --> 1:20:46.840 Most famous anti vaxer in charge of all of these organizations. 1:20:47.160 --> 1:20:48.960 And I say, we've just put He still has to 1:20:48.960 --> 1:20:51.679 get confirmed, and there is some chance that he doesn't 1:20:51.680 --> 1:20:52.040 make it. 1:20:52.560 --> 1:20:53.000 I don't know. 1:20:54.040 --> 1:20:57.800 It would be much better for everyone on Earth if 1:20:57.840 --> 1:20:59.240 he fucking doesn't get appointed. 1:20:59.320 --> 1:21:02.639 But it's still very up in the air. Yeah, if 1:21:02.640 --> 1:21:04.479 any of these guys are going to get pushed in 1:21:04.520 --> 1:21:08.160 through recess appointments, or whether the Senate will just completely 1:21:08.160 --> 1:21:08.880 cave to Trump. 1:21:09.200 --> 1:21:10.080 Who knows. 1:21:10.400 --> 1:21:12.080 Yeah, And I mean, you know, and we'll get to 1:21:12.080 --> 1:21:15.880 part of this later. There is real political opposition to 1:21:16.000 --> 1:21:20.280 Trump in parts of the Republican Party base, especially the Senate. Yeah, 1:21:20.280 --> 1:21:23.040 he is about to fuck with the money. And sometimes 1:21:23.040 --> 1:21:25.000 you can do that, and it's fine, and sometimes you can't. 1:21:25.040 --> 1:21:28.880 And we simply do not know yet. And so I 1:21:28.920 --> 1:21:32.120 think before we get into how again, an anti vaxxer 1:21:32.280 --> 1:21:34.519 leading the US is like Health Services is going to 1:21:34.600 --> 1:21:38.400 just obliterate us all. I think it's actually worth taking 1:21:38.439 --> 1:21:42.600 a look at what this means politically in terms of 1:21:42.640 --> 1:21:45.320 Trump's base, in terms of sort of the power compositions 1:21:45.479 --> 1:21:49.080 of it, because in twenty twenty, the last time he 1:21:49.120 --> 1:21:51.400 was running, he had a real problem with the anti 1:21:51.479 --> 1:21:54.360 vaxxers because you know, on the one I had Trump 1:21:54.479 --> 1:21:56.320 like did a bunch of anti vax stuff. On the 1:21:56.360 --> 1:21:58.600 other hand, he did spend a bunch of money to 1:21:58.640 --> 1:22:00.920 develop the vaccine, and this. 1:22:00.840 --> 1:22:03.519 Pissed off an incredibly large number of people. 1:22:03.600 --> 1:22:06.120 You have, like your Alex Jones is yelling about how 1:22:06.160 --> 1:22:08.559 he was like tricked into making the vaccine, And there's 1:22:08.560 --> 1:22:11.599 a kind of split in his base between the people 1:22:11.600 --> 1:22:13.679 who are anti vaxxers and people who think that COVID 1:22:13.760 --> 1:22:16.800 was like designed in a lab as a bioweapon. Because 1:22:16.840 --> 1:22:19.920 those people in theory, if you're following this coherently, right, 1:22:19.960 --> 1:22:21.760 the people who think that COVID was creating a lab 1:22:21.800 --> 1:22:25.080 as a bioweapon, you should also want a vaccine then, 1:22:25.280 --> 1:22:26.680 because that could stop the bioweapon. 1:22:26.880 --> 1:22:30.840 Well, unless the bio weapon was invented so that people 1:22:30.880 --> 1:22:34.120 would get vaccinated, and the real dangers to vaccines. See me, 1:22:34.240 --> 1:22:36.120 you gotta be thinking one step ahead with these people. 1:22:36.439 --> 1:22:38.400 But there's another thing too, which is you also have 1:22:38.439 --> 1:22:41.720 to simultaneously argue that COVID is pretty mild, because that's 1:22:41.720 --> 1:22:43.920 another thing that all these people believe, because you have 1:22:43.960 --> 1:22:46.040 to be anti lockdown, and to be anti lockdown, you 1:22:46.040 --> 1:22:48.240 have to believe that COVID is mild. So well, the 1:22:48.360 --> 1:22:50.200 chain of things you have to believe, and there are like, 1:22:51.520 --> 1:22:53.160 I don't know, like a third of the population of 1:22:53.160 --> 1:22:57.000 the US believe some variant of like COVID was made 1:22:57.120 --> 1:23:00.360 in a lab as a bioweapon. It either escaped or 1:23:00.479 --> 1:23:03.920 was deployed. It's also mild. And also the vaccine is 1:23:03.960 --> 1:23:04.639 trying to kill. 1:23:04.520 --> 1:23:08.120 You, So this is bad. 1:23:08.680 --> 1:23:11.519 And Trump has kind of papered over this issue with 1:23:11.600 --> 1:23:14.599 his base by again just handing all of the fucking 1:23:14.600 --> 1:23:17.760 health departments over to RFK Junior. And a sign of 1:23:18.280 --> 1:23:21.840 what RFK Junior's tenure is going to look like, assuming 1:23:21.880 --> 1:23:23.759 he gets appointed, is that he has been putting together 1:23:23.880 --> 1:23:26.120 list of people he wants to head all of these agencies, 1:23:26.680 --> 1:23:30.280 and chief on that list is Jay Banachaira, who's he 1:23:30.320 --> 1:23:33.080 wants to be the head of the National Institute of Health. 1:23:33.760 --> 1:23:38.400 Jay is an anti lockdown maniac whose thing was that 1:23:38.479 --> 1:23:40.280 he thought that the lockdowns were bad and that we 1:23:40.280 --> 1:23:42.519 should have just sent everyone back to work in this 1:23:42.560 --> 1:23:45.680 sort of absolute peak of the pandemic before we had vaccines, 1:23:46.280 --> 1:23:48.439 and he thought that like only forty thousand people were 1:23:48.479 --> 1:23:50.800 going to die because of COVID, and that if you 1:23:50.840 --> 1:23:53.000 just sent everyone back, everyone would get COVID and this 1:23:53.040 --> 1:23:56.600 would create like quote unquote herd immunity and then the 1:23:56.640 --> 1:24:01.080 disease would be okay, yeah, yeah, and that's sense right. 1:24:01.320 --> 1:24:04.679 That did not happen. We can actually save for sure. Yes, 1:24:04.760 --> 1:24:07.280 more than forty thousand people died. It wasn't just a flu. 1:24:07.840 --> 1:24:08.160 Yeah. 1:24:08.200 --> 1:24:11.679 And also you know there were countries I think Norway 1:24:11.760 --> 1:24:14.040 tried this where they tried to like easelock dew restrictions 1:24:14.080 --> 1:24:16.120 early and it just killed a bunch of people and 1:24:16.200 --> 1:24:18.000 you didn't get an immunity benefit because then the thing 1:24:18.000 --> 1:24:21.040 about herd immunity, right, So herd immunity is this concept, 1:24:21.120 --> 1:24:22.320 and this is kind of this is important for the 1:24:22.360 --> 1:24:25.040 vaccination angle of this. It's this concept that there are 1:24:25.080 --> 1:24:28.040 there are some people in a population who medically cannot vaccinated. 1:24:28.240 --> 1:24:30.360 You know, there's like actual health reasons right for this 1:24:30.439 --> 1:24:33.479 that aren't just like anti vax shit. But if enough 1:24:33.479 --> 1:24:35.680 of the rest of the population is vaccinated, then it 1:24:35.680 --> 1:24:38.240 doesn't matter because there's not because there's enough immunity in 1:24:38.280 --> 1:24:40.479 the entire herd that it's hard for the disease to spread. 1:24:40.720 --> 1:24:42.040 And the way you're supposed to do this again is 1:24:42.080 --> 1:24:44.360 with vaccines, right, But there was a whole crowd of 1:24:44.400 --> 1:24:48.560 people who wanted to try to do this not with vaccines, 1:24:48.600 --> 1:24:51.400 but just by giving everyone COVID. And these are the 1:24:51.479 --> 1:24:56.640 people that rf Kids Junior wants to like put in 1:24:56.720 --> 1:25:00.800 charge of the nation's health services. Now, political response to 1:25:00.840 --> 1:25:03.360 this from our site is also really complicated because you know, 1:25:03.479 --> 1:25:05.360 the way that the battles already playing out in the 1:25:05.360 --> 1:25:08.200 media is RFK Junior versus Big Pharma. And the problem 1:25:08.280 --> 1:25:10.000 is no one likes big pharma unless you're being paid 1:25:10.000 --> 1:25:11.920 by them, like we don't like big farm. But these 1:25:11.920 --> 1:25:15.240 companies suck shit. They're really bad. They're like parts of 1:25:15.240 --> 1:25:18.800 the reasons why you can afford your healthcare. But also 1:25:18.840 --> 1:25:23.160 the reason they're evil isn't because they make vaccines. And 1:25:23.200 --> 1:25:26.960 this is a this is a complicated sort of tension 1:25:27.000 --> 1:25:29.040 to manage and if you read a lot of the 1:25:29.080 --> 1:25:31.439 media coverage of this. So far, NPR has this just 1:25:31.640 --> 1:25:34.360 fawning article over RFK Junior. That's like, Oh, he's gonna 1:25:34.400 --> 1:25:37.320 like cut through the bureaucratic red tape with his controversial 1:25:37.360 --> 1:25:43.000 things and like help treat chronic disease. And no, he's 1:25:43.040 --> 1:25:46.360 an anti vaxxer. He's a very hard line anti vaxer. 1:25:46.760 --> 1:25:49.880 I also want to read this absolutely insane thing that 1:25:49.920 --> 1:25:54.880 he said about COVID being a I'm just going to 1:25:54.960 --> 1:25:58.120 read this. I don't know how to preface this. COVID nineteen, 1:25:58.280 --> 1:26:01.719 there is an argument that is ethnically targeted, COVID nineteen 1:26:01.760 --> 1:26:05.799 attacks certain races disroportionately. COVID nineteen is targeted to attack 1:26:05.840 --> 1:26:08.400 Caucasians and black people. The people who are most immune 1:26:08.720 --> 1:26:12.000 are Oscanazi, Jews, and Chinese. Oh, we don't know whether 1:26:12.040 --> 1:26:14.479 it was deliberately targeted or not, but there are papers 1:26:14.479 --> 1:26:16.879 out there that show the racial and ethnic different impact. 1:26:17.160 --> 1:26:20.840 Oh oh no, that's that's not what those papers are 1:26:20.880 --> 1:26:24.000 trying to say. No, And I will also say this. 1:26:24.240 --> 1:26:26.280 One of the things that you can just you know 1:26:26.400 --> 1:26:28.479 something very bad is about to happen is when someone 1:26:28.640 --> 1:26:31.600 uses the word Chinese and noun you were about to 1:26:31.640 --> 1:26:33.439 hear the most racist shit you've ever heard in your 1:26:33.560 --> 1:26:34.080 entire life. 1:26:34.200 --> 1:26:36.000 Well, not to. 1:26:36.040 --> 1:26:37.759 Mention, askansy juice. 1:26:38.120 --> 1:26:41.920 Oh yeah, yeah, And so you know, want those actually 1:26:41.920 --> 1:26:43.760 whatever which to briefly talk about what those studies were 1:26:43.760 --> 1:26:45.679 actually saying. It's like, well, yeah, there were certain communities 1:26:45.720 --> 1:26:48.360 that were hit worst by COVID, and there's certain communities 1:26:48.360 --> 1:26:50.519 that were hit less by COVID, And that largely has 1:26:50.520 --> 1:26:52.720 to do with things like income and how much you're 1:26:52.720 --> 1:26:55.000 forced to like go work, read the plague. 1:26:54.880 --> 1:26:59.479 Living conditions, class, poverty, where you live, gentrification, there's lots 1:26:59.520 --> 1:27:00.000 of aspects. 1:27:00.280 --> 1:27:03.679 How strong your anti vax movement is sure, definitely another 1:27:03.720 --> 1:27:07.600 one not to mention, just like medicalized racism, which is 1:27:07.640 --> 1:27:10.439 a massive problem in the American health care industry. 1:27:10.800 --> 1:27:13.639 Oh yeah, And r f K. Junior not gonna make 1:27:13.640 --> 1:27:14.040 that better. 1:27:14.680 --> 1:27:17.120 No, I don't have an inkling that's gonna be on 1:27:17.160 --> 1:27:21.400 the top of his priorities beyond nationalizing essentially chicken pox 1:27:21.439 --> 1:27:22.840 parties instead of vaccines. 1:27:23.080 --> 1:27:26.320 Yeah, okay, So r f K Junior has been playing 1:27:26.400 --> 1:27:29.240 the world's most obvious shell game with the media, which 1:27:29.560 --> 1:27:32.200 the media, I don't know a lot of press outlets 1:27:32.240 --> 1:27:33.840 are just sort of rolling over for Trump right now. 1:27:33.880 --> 1:27:35.439 And so he's been playing this game where he's been 1:27:35.439 --> 1:27:37.280 telling the press, oh, I'm not going to take vaccines 1:27:37.280 --> 1:27:40.679 away from everyone, from anyone, and it'll be fine. 1:27:41.160 --> 1:27:42.559 And like we know. 1:27:43.760 --> 1:27:47.320 That he thinks that vaccines cause autism, Like he just 1:27:47.360 --> 1:27:48.400 says this all the time. 1:27:48.880 --> 1:27:50.800 He has promoted books about that. 1:27:50.960 --> 1:27:51.439 Yeah. 1:27:51.520 --> 1:27:53.560 Yeah, So like you know, we know that he is 1:27:53.600 --> 1:27:55.959 anti vax, that he spread, he spreads anti vax propaganda. 1:27:56.000 --> 1:27:57.640 We know he spent a bunch of money doing this, 1:27:57.680 --> 1:28:02.240 specifically also in minority communities. So there's a lot of 1:28:02.320 --> 1:28:05.000 dangers here, some of which we're going to get into 1:28:05.000 --> 1:28:08.160 more when we go into what specific agencies can. 1:28:08.040 --> 1:28:09.000 Sort of fuck with stuff. 1:28:09.000 --> 1:28:11.960 But one of the biggest dangers in the very short 1:28:12.040 --> 1:28:15.559 term is that he is now in control of what 1:28:15.680 --> 1:28:20.360 is effectively the US's medical science apparatus, and he can 1:28:20.479 --> 1:28:23.519 use this to spread all of the anti vax horseshit 1:28:23.840 --> 1:28:27.600 that has been spreading through like less official channels before this. 1:28:28.200 --> 1:28:31.439 I think it's worth remembering that this whole anti vaccine 1:28:31.520 --> 1:28:35.879 craze started with one guy getting one shitty paper published 1:28:35.880 --> 1:28:38.400 in the journal Lancet and the reporting on that in 1:28:38.439 --> 1:28:41.479 the media frenzy around that was enough to turn the 1:28:41.520 --> 1:28:45.440 active vaccine movement from like ten people into a worldwide 1:28:45.479 --> 1:28:48.840 movement that has killed unbelievable numbers of people. And the 1:28:48.920 --> 1:28:52.439 reason that's true is because if an official authority tells 1:28:52.479 --> 1:28:56.559 you like that this vaccine isn't safe, people will believe it. 1:28:57.200 --> 1:28:59.160 And he's going to be able to use the National 1:28:59.160 --> 1:29:01.200 Institutes of Health to be able to use the CDC, 1:29:01.360 --> 1:29:02.880 is going to be able to use the journals that 1:29:02.880 --> 1:29:04.320 they publish. He's going to be able to fill these 1:29:04.320 --> 1:29:06.639 people with his coronis. It's going to take a lot 1:29:06.640 --> 1:29:08.559 of fighting, but he's going to be able to use 1:29:08.600 --> 1:29:12.000 this to push anti vaccine bullshit with even just leaving 1:29:12.040 --> 1:29:17.160 aside his regulatory abilities, just the ability to like legitimize 1:29:17.320 --> 1:29:20.800 this complete horseshit as actual science. Is going to do 1:29:20.920 --> 1:29:23.479 incoculable damage to this country and is going to do 1:29:23.479 --> 1:29:26.880 incolculable damage to the world because also one of the 1:29:26.920 --> 1:29:30.680 things that's under Health and Human Services is the is 1:29:30.720 --> 1:29:34.320 the US's like international medical and healthcare programs and sort 1:29:34.360 --> 1:29:36.720 of prevention programs that we do internationally. 1:29:37.960 --> 1:29:41.240 So this is all very bad. Do you know what's 1:29:41.320 --> 1:29:42.280 not very bad. 1:29:42.760 --> 1:29:45.120 Oh, all of the ads that are gonna play right 1:29:45.160 --> 1:29:48.040 after I stopped talking, surely none of them could be 1:29:48.360 --> 1:29:49.440 slightly problematic. 1:30:00.760 --> 1:30:02.519 And we are back. Okay. 1:30:02.520 --> 1:30:05.080 So when I was first writing this in the halcyon 1:30:05.240 --> 1:30:08.040 days of last week, right, I had a whole thing 1:30:08.080 --> 1:30:10.840 written here about how one of the other effects of 1:30:10.880 --> 1:30:12.639 this is not just going to be the attack on vaccines, 1:30:12.640 --> 1:30:15.720 It's going to be the destruction of basic virological research, right, 1:30:15.800 --> 1:30:18.200 Like our basic research on viruses and on diseases is 1:30:18.240 --> 1:30:20.559 going to be destroyed, you know. And this is because 1:30:20.880 --> 1:30:23.639 the people that are of Kajunior is surrounding himself with 1:30:23.800 --> 1:30:27.160 are the Lablik Truther people, and the Lablik Truthers have 1:30:27.200 --> 1:30:29.519 convinced themselves to anyone who does any kind of research 1:30:29.520 --> 1:30:31.560 with a virus is actually like creating a giant a 1:30:31.600 --> 1:30:34.719 bioweapon that can at any moments like a break containment, 1:30:34.760 --> 1:30:37.760 and kill the entire population. And you know, so I 1:30:37.800 --> 1:30:40.080 was like, okay, I was putting together all this stuff, 1:30:40.120 --> 1:30:44.000 and then he just straight up said that when he 1:30:44.000 --> 1:30:46.440 gets in charge, he's going to go to the NIH 1:30:46.479 --> 1:30:51.120 and stop studying infectious diseases for eight years first week. 1:30:51.439 --> 1:30:53.400 And I'm going to call all the division heads, and 1:30:53.439 --> 1:30:56.400 I'm going to call all the bureau chiefs, and I'm 1:30:56.400 --> 1:31:00.880 going to say, we're going to give drug development and 1:31:01.160 --> 1:31:05.559 infectious disease a break, a little break, a little bit 1:31:05.600 --> 1:31:08.479 of a break for about eight years, and we're gonna 1:31:08.479 --> 1:31:10.519 study chronic disease. 1:31:11.240 --> 1:31:13.839 He's just saying, straight up, he's gonna try to stop 1:31:13.920 --> 1:31:16.320 all infectious disease research for eight years. 1:31:16.320 --> 1:31:17.800 Now'll think about diseases. Right. 1:31:17.880 --> 1:31:22.080 I talked to a virologist beforehand, who will will rename 1:31:22.160 --> 1:31:23.800 nameless for security purposes. 1:31:24.080 --> 1:31:27.880 But their response was, hold on, let me, let me, 1:31:27.920 --> 1:31:30.400 let me, let me read this exactly, because it's extremely funny. 1:31:31.040 --> 1:31:33.040 I would love if pathogens would decide to give it 1:31:33.080 --> 1:31:35.280 a rest for eight years. Sadly, I do not think 1:31:35.320 --> 1:31:38.800 pathogens will get the memo because they're random micro organisms. 1:31:39.880 --> 1:31:42.000 That the big issue here, right is Okay, so we're 1:31:42.000 --> 1:31:47.280 stopping all infectious disease research. Now, you know we're already, 1:31:47.320 --> 1:31:50.400 I mean we're still in like we gave up trying 1:31:50.400 --> 1:31:54.519 to end for the first pandemic that like that would 1:31:54.600 --> 1:31:57.240 happen on the Trump meministration, right, we were our solution 1:31:57.320 --> 1:31:59.240 to this. And this is also part of The problem 1:31:59.400 --> 1:32:02.280 of the decay hay of these institutions, even under Biden, 1:32:02.439 --> 1:32:04.719 was that, you know, we gave up trying to stop COVID. 1:32:04.720 --> 1:32:06.760 We're we just we just just like maascer, it too 1:32:06.880 --> 1:32:09.280 much work. So you're all going to die now, have fun. 1:32:09.640 --> 1:32:12.639 Well, luckily there won't be another global pandemic anytime soon, 1:32:12.640 --> 1:32:14.879 because these things really only happen once a century. 1:32:15.080 --> 1:32:17.120 No, But you know, the content was with this, right 1:32:17.200 --> 1:32:18.920 is when the next pandemic hits, we're going to have 1:32:19.000 --> 1:32:22.920 an administration that is sort of broadly anti vax who's 1:32:22.960 --> 1:32:25.439 everyone around them is anti vaccine, and we're going to 1:32:25.479 --> 1:32:28.759 have just destroyed our capacity to do inveectious disease research. 1:32:29.439 --> 1:32:32.519 Well and specifically this was this was a joke about 1:32:32.880 --> 1:32:33.840 the bird flu. 1:32:34.080 --> 1:32:35.320 Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah yeah. 1:32:35.439 --> 1:32:38.720 Well the thing is right, so the next one could 1:32:38.760 --> 1:32:40.839 be that fucking bird flu strain that's bluing. 1:32:40.640 --> 1:32:42.559 But it could be something else too. We don't know, 1:32:42.680 --> 1:32:43.679 there could be other ones. 1:32:43.960 --> 1:32:47.120 We you know, like if you go into like the 1:32:47.160 --> 1:32:49.640 actual sort of causes of these things, which have to 1:32:49.640 --> 1:32:53.759 do with things like factory farming and like increasing human 1:32:54.920 --> 1:32:58.040 they call it humans zoological contact, but it's like humans 1:32:58.080 --> 1:33:00.240 going into places where there weren't people before and there 1:33:00.240 --> 1:33:02.320 are a bunch of animals and coming in in like 1:33:02.360 --> 1:33:05.559 increasing contact with the animals. Right, that's all stuff that 1:33:05.560 --> 1:33:08.719 they're driven by by structural elements of the economic system 1:33:09.080 --> 1:33:11.160 and like our constant needs to develop land and the 1:33:11.160 --> 1:33:13.000 way we've set up our meat agriculture, and that's not 1:33:13.040 --> 1:33:14.920 stuff that like rf K Junior gives a shit about 1:33:14.960 --> 1:33:18.320 like actually attempting to deal with So instead we're gonna 1:33:18.400 --> 1:33:23.479 just do whatever this infectious disease research stop is. 1:33:24.439 --> 1:33:26.160 And I think this also aligns with a lot. 1:33:26.000 --> 1:33:27.599 Of the stuff that all of that that you know, 1:33:27.840 --> 1:33:31.840 Trump's cabinet pointees broadly have been talking about, right, which 1:33:31.880 --> 1:33:35.160 is this this desire to just sort of kneecap and 1:33:36.160 --> 1:33:39.000 you know, sort of purge the American bureaucracy, you know. 1:33:39.040 --> 1:33:41.520 And I've been I've been seeing some very very optimistic 1:33:41.520 --> 1:33:43.519 people going like, oh, well, you can't really do a 1:33:43.560 --> 1:33:45.599 purge because like what competent people are good? 1:33:45.640 --> 1:33:46.840 Are you going to replace them with? 1:33:47.000 --> 1:33:51.479 It's like no one, that's the problem. That's the problem. 1:33:51.600 --> 1:33:53.439 Three the un replaced with no one, or they're gonna 1:33:53.439 --> 1:33:56.200 be replaced with like one of the like hundreds of 1:33:56.200 --> 1:33:58.760 millions of weird anti vaccine freaks. These people have found 1:33:58.800 --> 1:34:02.040 have like cultivated over like a giant global international network. Right, 1:34:02.200 --> 1:34:03.879 they have so many crank doctors. 1:34:04.160 --> 1:34:06.559 We're just going to be like governed by like a 1:34:06.640 --> 1:34:10.360 conspiracy theory cabinet, which is kind of what it's looking like. Yeah, 1:34:10.400 --> 1:34:12.120 you're just going to be governed by the Fox and 1:34:12.200 --> 1:34:15.439 Friends weekend host segments team. 1:34:16.000 --> 1:34:20.720 And oh boy, yeah, And I will say, you know, 1:34:20.800 --> 1:34:22.760 this is all going to be very bad. I do 1:34:22.840 --> 1:34:24.800 want to do a little bit of panic calming, which 1:34:24.800 --> 1:34:28.160 is I've seen some people freaking out about the potential 1:34:28.439 --> 1:34:31.840 of OURCA Junior just sort of destroying the American food 1:34:31.880 --> 1:34:36.120 system by just implementing a total ban on fertilizers and pesticides. 1:34:36.680 --> 1:34:42.640 And could he do that in theory maybe, but that 1:34:42.800 --> 1:34:46.479 one I don't think is really likely to happen because 1:34:46.960 --> 1:34:49.000 if he does, if he tries to do this, he 1:34:49.080 --> 1:34:52.519 is immediately going to face like one of the most 1:34:52.560 --> 1:34:56.680 ferocious lobbies in the entire history of American politics, which 1:34:56.720 --> 1:34:59.200 is the American like I guess you would call him 1:34:59.200 --> 1:35:01.479 the farm lobby, but really it's the American big ag 1:35:01.560 --> 1:35:02.920 like big agricultural lobby. 1:35:03.040 --> 1:35:04.439 Yeah, it's the agricultural lobby. 1:35:04.520 --> 1:35:04.760 Yeah. 1:35:04.880 --> 1:35:07.840 Yeah, And like you are about to face like the 1:35:07.880 --> 1:35:09.840 power of fucking Bayer Monsanto. 1:35:09.960 --> 1:35:10.240 They are. 1:35:10.320 --> 1:35:13.080 They are a ferocious opponent. If you try banning their pesticides, 1:35:13.120 --> 1:35:15.000 they're going to come for you. They already hate him 1:35:15.280 --> 1:35:17.800 because he's already he's like has sued them over a 1:35:17.800 --> 1:35:21.479 bunch of stuff over the years. And the thing about 1:35:21.800 --> 1:35:25.439 the combination of companies that make chemicals for stuff and 1:35:25.560 --> 1:35:29.280 also the giant farming conglomerates who who run most of 1:35:29.320 --> 1:35:33.240 America's food production, is that unlike, for example, the farmer lobby, 1:35:33.320 --> 1:35:35.160 the farmer lobby is very powerful, but its power is 1:35:35.200 --> 1:35:39.000 sort of dispersed over over a broad geographic area. It's 1:35:39.400 --> 1:35:42.599 not like centralized very well, which which makes them sort 1:35:42.640 --> 1:35:45.120 of weaker in an attempt to like stop RFK Junior. 1:35:45.360 --> 1:35:47.360 The thing about the farm lobbies that they're not There 1:35:47.360 --> 1:35:49.479 are a lot of plane states. We're just straight up 1:35:49.479 --> 1:35:51.599 their senators And it doesn't matter which party you elect. 1:35:51.680 --> 1:35:54.120 Your senator is just a cutout for like the agricultural lobby. 1:35:54.200 --> 1:35:54.559 Yeah. 1:35:54.600 --> 1:35:59.040 And those people work together, right, like they have worked together, 1:35:59.080 --> 1:36:01.519 they will work together. They caucus together all the time 1:36:01.560 --> 1:36:04.960 in order to get agricultural subsidies and stuff. And these 1:36:05.000 --> 1:36:07.960 people are unbelievably powerful. They are united political block in 1:36:07.960 --> 1:36:10.200 the Senate, and they can bring the entire US governments 1:36:10.200 --> 1:36:14.960 greeching to a halt. So that's not a fight. I 1:36:15.040 --> 1:36:18.680 don't really think that he can win. But I mean 1:36:18.880 --> 1:36:21.200 there's still some kind of chance that he tries to 1:36:21.200 --> 1:36:24.200 do something like this. But on that one, and I've 1:36:24.200 --> 1:36:25.680 seen a lot of people panicking about it, I think 1:36:25.680 --> 1:36:29.439 that one will probably be Okay. That said, we're giving 1:36:29.479 --> 1:36:31.920 a guy who one of his big things is that 1:36:32.000 --> 1:36:35.080 like the government's been like repressing raw milk, and we're 1:36:35.080 --> 1:36:36.799 giving this guy control of the FDA. 1:36:37.080 --> 1:36:42.000 Oh the raw milk people, Oh my god. Yeah. 1:36:42.080 --> 1:36:42.519 Yeah. 1:36:42.560 --> 1:36:46.280 Well, and luckily there's been no FDA related fiascos this year, 1:36:46.280 --> 1:36:49.960 which has led to thousands of food recalls that are 1:36:50.000 --> 1:36:53.720 incredibly challenging to keep up with. And now the joke 1:36:53.800 --> 1:36:57.400 here is that there actually has been massive FDA fuck 1:36:57.479 --> 1:37:00.000 ups which actually has led to thousands of food recalls 1:37:00.360 --> 1:37:03.160 which actually are pretty challenging to keep up with because 1:37:03.479 --> 1:37:06.320 oh boy, our whole regulatory state was kind of got 1:37:06.360 --> 1:37:08.760 it the past eight years and it is still recovering 1:37:09.080 --> 1:37:13.320 and the deregulations have led to massive food foreign illness 1:37:13.680 --> 1:37:18.839 failures in the production scene. So yeah, that's that's been happening. 1:37:18.880 --> 1:37:21.559 I'm sure one of you has been affected by this. 1:37:22.240 --> 1:37:24.639 Yeah, And you know, I think there are some people 1:37:24.680 --> 1:37:27.679 who tend to read the way that RFK Junior talks 1:37:27.680 --> 1:37:29.960 about like we need eliminate like toxins from the food 1:37:29.960 --> 1:37:32.200 supply or whatever, and read that as, oh, he's going 1:37:32.280 --> 1:37:35.120 to like try to do more agriculture regulation, and oh, 1:37:35.560 --> 1:37:40.120 that brain has been eaten by worms, like that is 1:37:40.320 --> 1:37:43.719 his brain is a bunch of conspiracy theories matched together. 1:37:43.840 --> 1:37:46.080 Like that's not going to be how this plays out, 1:37:46.479 --> 1:37:49.080 unfortunately for us. Yeah, and I really think this is 1:37:49.080 --> 1:37:51.559 something to keep mindus. Anyone who is treating this guy 1:37:51.680 --> 1:37:54.879 as like some kind of serious reformer of US health policy, 1:37:56.000 --> 1:37:59.120 do not trust anything that they say, right, Like, keep 1:37:59.240 --> 1:38:02.559 notes of what fucking media outlets are saying this right now, 1:38:02.840 --> 1:38:07.920 because with RFK Junior, a man who says one absolutely 1:38:08.200 --> 1:38:11.080 like I said a thing earlier about suspending research for 1:38:11.800 --> 1:38:15.120 infectious diseases, right, he said that like Friday, last Friday, 1:38:16.000 --> 1:38:18.680 at an anti vaccine conference he was on on like zoom. 1:38:19.120 --> 1:38:21.040 He says this shit literally all the time. 1:38:21.080 --> 1:38:22.840 And if you're a sort of journalist and you're treating 1:38:22.880 --> 1:38:25.160 him as like a semi serious guy and not this 1:38:25.360 --> 1:38:28.840 person like you are not sort of qualified for the 1:38:28.880 --> 1:38:31.560 task of covering what's going to be happening in this administration. 1:38:32.200 --> 1:38:35.360 I mean really, the worst thing about RFK, in my opinion, 1:38:35.960 --> 1:38:39.879 is that he has ruined the Kennedy conspiracy search results. 1:38:40.160 --> 1:38:43.599 If you google Kennedy conspiracy, it sucks now. Now it's 1:38:43.680 --> 1:38:48.440 just RFK conspiracy theory beliefs that he has terrible. It's 1:38:48.520 --> 1:38:50.320 ruined one of my great hobbies, which is trying to 1:38:50.360 --> 1:38:53.520 find new JFK conspiracies. 1:38:56.200 --> 1:38:58.640 You know what else is ruining JFK conspiracies? 1:38:59.360 --> 1:39:02.040 Probably the heads because my god, the more time I 1:39:02.120 --> 1:39:04.720 have to spend looking at advertisements is less time I 1:39:04.760 --> 1:39:18.120 could be reading about how JFK was secretly Okay, we 1:39:18.200 --> 1:39:21.920 are back, Mia. I would love to learn more about 1:39:22.080 --> 1:39:25.720 RFK Junior if possible, or maybe some other random guy 1:39:25.760 --> 1:39:26.719 who's also bad. 1:39:26.960 --> 1:39:29.280 What else do you have for me here? Oh boy? 1:39:30.200 --> 1:39:32.160 We have from here adderall. 1:39:32.439 --> 1:39:36.840 Oh wow, one of my favorite prescription drugs. That's not true. Actually, 1:39:36.840 --> 1:39:39.559 I'm actually not on stimulants. Everyone thinks just because I 1:39:39.640 --> 1:39:42.720 talk fast and sound like this, I probably am on stimulants. 1:39:42.720 --> 1:39:45.400 This actually isn't true. This is me completely sober, so 1:39:45.560 --> 1:39:48.000 just to imagine how worse it would be if I 1:39:48.200 --> 1:39:49.040 was on adderall. 1:39:49.640 --> 1:39:52.599 Yeah, So okay, let's do adderall first and we'll talk 1:39:52.600 --> 1:39:55.840 about antidepressants. So, okay, if you've had to get adderall 1:39:55.960 --> 1:39:58.720 and I'm actually not on it, somewhat miraculously, I don't know, 1:39:58.840 --> 1:40:00.920 not raculously whatever, it's not. 1:40:01.040 --> 1:40:02.720 It's not my favorite thing, not being on this. 1:40:02.880 --> 1:40:06.360 But you know, if you've tried to attain adderall or 1:40:06.360 --> 1:40:08.360 something like viavants or one of the other sort of 1:40:08.360 --> 1:40:12.840 treatments for ADHD, you have probably noticed that there's just shortages. 1:40:13.439 --> 1:40:16.800 And there's two explanations for the shortage if you read 1:40:16.800 --> 1:40:19.200 the stuff the Food and Drug Administration says, They're like, oh, 1:40:19.240 --> 1:40:22.000 it's because of labor shortages at drug manufacturing plants, and 1:40:22.040 --> 1:40:25.960 that's like not really the reason. The actual thing that's 1:40:26.000 --> 1:40:28.600 going on here is that so these are technically like 1:40:28.640 --> 1:40:32.080 restrict to substances, right, in order to produce substances like this, 1:40:32.240 --> 1:40:35.600 the DEA sets like a quota of the amount of 1:40:35.600 --> 1:40:37.200 these drugs you were able to produce in a year, 1:40:37.360 --> 1:40:40.639 and the DEA became absolutely obsessed with like the fact 1:40:40.680 --> 1:40:43.320 that people were like getting hold of other people's adderall 1:40:43.960 --> 1:40:46.360 and this made them absolutely lose their fucking minds to 1:40:46.360 --> 1:40:51.799 start imposing these unbelievably draconian production quotas on these stimulants, 1:40:51.800 --> 1:40:53.439 which is why there's been a fucking shortage of them 1:40:53.439 --> 1:40:57.200 for like three years now. It's it's worth noting. On 1:40:57.240 --> 1:41:00.800 the one hand, you know, the FDA has kind of 1:41:01.160 --> 1:41:03.519 been trying to fight the DA on this because the 1:41:03.600 --> 1:41:05.280 FDA is looking at this and it's like, okay, so 1:41:05.320 --> 1:41:06.919 we just have a bunch of people who have ADHD 1:41:06.960 --> 1:41:10.960 who can't get their mets, and that can just straight 1:41:11.040 --> 1:41:14.080 up destroy your life. Like getting getting taken off of 1:41:14.080 --> 1:41:16.400 one of these things immediately is really really bad for you. 1:41:16.520 --> 1:41:22.080 And also like not having executive function is real bad. 1:41:22.720 --> 1:41:25.000 But we have the mild upside of the fact that 1:41:25.120 --> 1:41:29.000 DA isn't technically going to be under OURFK Junior's control. 1:41:29.439 --> 1:41:33.639 But is it going to be under Christy Nomes control? Yeah, 1:41:33.800 --> 1:41:37.000 it's it's just this department, Okay, so it could maybe gates, 1:41:37.000 --> 1:41:41.240 Well maybe maybe gates because we have we have since 1:41:41.320 --> 1:41:46.360 learned that that Trump has conceded that that Gates might 1:41:46.520 --> 1:41:49.640 might not make it through a Senate confirmation hearing, so 1:41:49.720 --> 1:41:51.759 we will still see if these recent appointments are actually 1:41:51.760 --> 1:41:55.479 gonna happen. Yeah, so we don't know who's going to 1:41:55.479 --> 1:41:56.759 be running the Department of Justice. 1:41:57.160 --> 1:42:03.280 But comma, what we do know about RFK Junior is 1:42:03.720 --> 1:42:08.040 this quote from futurism quote, I'm going to create these 1:42:08.080 --> 1:42:10.559 wellness farms so they can go get off legal drugs, 1:42:10.600 --> 1:42:13.720 off opiates, but also illegal drugs, other psychiatric drugs if 1:42:13.760 --> 1:42:17.040 they want to to get off SSRIs, to get off bezos, 1:42:17.080 --> 1:42:18.920 to get off adderall, and spend as much time as 1:42:18.920 --> 1:42:20.880 they need three or four years if they need it, 1:42:21.320 --> 1:42:26.400 learning to get reparented, to reconnect with communities. So, as 1:42:26.600 --> 1:42:29.280 a lot of people loculic futurism have pointed out, he 1:42:29.400 --> 1:42:32.080 is framing this as if it's voluntary. But what this 1:42:32.360 --> 1:42:36.439 is is instead of treating people for mental health issues, 1:42:37.080 --> 1:42:39.479 you send them to a labor camp to do organic 1:42:39.520 --> 1:42:43.120 farming for the government. And that's very bad. And it's 1:42:43.120 --> 1:42:44.880 also worth noting that these programs are supposed to be 1:42:44.920 --> 1:42:47.519 quote unquote voluntary, have this sort of nasty way of 1:42:47.560 --> 1:42:51.719 suddenly becoming involuntary at the moment, someone's actually in power. 1:42:52.200 --> 1:42:57.120 So the worst possible read of this, like the most 1:42:57.160 --> 1:42:59.680 bleak and dystopian read of this, is that this is 1:42:59.720 --> 1:43:03.519 going to be implemented as a method of solving the 1:43:03.520 --> 1:43:08.240 the indescribable human cost of evicting tens of millions of people. 1:43:08.600 --> 1:43:10.280 One of the things that will do was just absolutely 1:43:10.320 --> 1:43:13.519 obliterate our labor supply for agriculture, right, because it turns 1:43:13.520 --> 1:43:14.960 out that the people who actually know how to do 1:43:15.000 --> 1:43:19.479 agriculture work is not the white planters who fucking own 1:43:19.560 --> 1:43:20.040 the farms. 1:43:20.720 --> 1:43:22.320 So this is a thing that could be used to 1:43:22.320 --> 1:43:23.599 try to replace that labor. Right. 1:43:23.800 --> 1:43:28.840 I I don't know how much I think that specific 1:43:28.880 --> 1:43:31.840 one is going to happen. It's unclear how he could 1:43:31.880 --> 1:43:33.840 use the power of the state to do this, right, 1:43:34.360 --> 1:43:35.639 There's not a direct path. 1:43:36.160 --> 1:43:39.400 Yeah, this seems this seems really this seems really goofy. 1:43:39.520 --> 1:43:42.400 Frankly, Yeah, like I've seen some panic over it, and 1:43:42.400 --> 1:43:46.000 it's like, I, I mean maybe that's a like I 1:43:46.040 --> 1:43:49.120 don't know thing that's like a like I don't know. 1:43:49.120 --> 1:43:50.760 We're in like year six of the Trump of the 1:43:51.360 --> 1:43:53.000 second Trump administration, and like. 1:43:53.240 --> 1:43:55.599 Yeah, I really don't see how they could even get 1:43:55.600 --> 1:43:58.080 anywhere close to the numbers for like a voluntary drug 1:43:58.240 --> 1:44:03.280 like rehab program that puts you into like agricultural farm work, 1:44:03.520 --> 1:44:05.799 that it's not going to replace any of the missing 1:44:05.840 --> 1:44:06.479 farm labor. 1:44:06.640 --> 1:44:09.679 No, no, it won't work, right even if you could 1:44:09.720 --> 1:44:12.120 do the compulsory labor, thinking there's not just simply aren't 1:44:12.200 --> 1:44:15.240 enough people right to do it. And also agricultural labor 1:44:15.280 --> 1:44:18.640 is skilled work, right, like, yeah, you actually have to 1:44:18.640 --> 1:44:22.760 know what you're doing. But comma, I will mention you know, 1:44:22.840 --> 1:44:24.840 as this is kind of this is an unlikely but 1:44:25.000 --> 1:44:27.400 technically possible thing to happen. The thing that's more likely 1:44:27.640 --> 1:44:31.280 to happen is that this is a good time to 1:44:31.280 --> 1:44:34.760 mention that one of the organizations that's under how the 1:44:34.840 --> 1:44:38.800 Human Services is the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, 1:44:39.880 --> 1:44:43.120 and there are a lot of ways using this administration 1:44:43.280 --> 1:44:45.519 and also just cooperating with the DEA, because again we 1:44:45.560 --> 1:44:48.720 have to remember this DEA is just unbelievably pissed off 1:44:48.720 --> 1:44:51.080 at the thought of like a single person getting their prescription. 1:44:51.560 --> 1:44:53.800 So I don't think it will be hard for RFK 1:44:53.920 --> 1:44:56.400 Junior to find his allies in the Justice Department to 1:44:56.479 --> 1:45:00.639 intensify the crackdown that's already been happening on on things 1:45:00.640 --> 1:45:02.840 like on things like adderall and on things like antidepressants, 1:45:02.880 --> 1:45:05.880 because you know, there's a whole other range of conspiracy 1:45:05.920 --> 1:45:07.880 theories that when we've covered this on the show, right 1:45:07.920 --> 1:45:09.200 that I have to do with, like people who think 1:45:09.200 --> 1:45:11.160 that like, oh, all the all the mass shooters are 1:45:11.160 --> 1:45:14.680 on antidepressants or whatever, and that kind of stuff is 1:45:14.720 --> 1:45:16.800 that kind of thinking is incredibly powerful, and there's there's 1:45:16.840 --> 1:45:18.120 a real chance that we are about to see a 1:45:18.120 --> 1:45:20.840 bunch of people who believe that shit suddenly in control 1:45:20.880 --> 1:45:22.080 of a bunch of the agencies. 1:45:21.680 --> 1:45:23.400 They are supposed to be doing drug regulations. 1:45:24.640 --> 1:45:27.439 There are other things that we can see him do. 1:45:28.080 --> 1:45:32.320 He's going to have some authority over approving new vaccines, 1:45:32.800 --> 1:45:36.639 which is real bad. It's gonna be hard for him 1:45:36.680 --> 1:45:38.360 to just like, I don't like, he can't just like 1:45:38.439 --> 1:45:40.400 do a vaccine ban. But what he can do is 1:45:40.400 --> 1:45:43.360 you can also fuck with people's insurance covering vaccinations, and 1:45:43.360 --> 1:45:45.680 he can fuck with like to what extent they're recommended 1:45:45.680 --> 1:45:46.320 by the government. 1:45:46.560 --> 1:45:50.880 This is really upsetting for the potential like HIV vaccine 1:45:50.960 --> 1:45:53.160 that's oh like nearing its completion. 1:45:53.000 --> 1:45:54.800 We're going to get to that that. Hold on, give it, 1:45:54.840 --> 1:45:56.800 give me one second, because we're getting too that. 1:45:57.160 --> 1:46:01.160 No, okay, so before we get to the fact that 1:46:01.280 --> 1:46:04.320 our FID Junior is an HIV AIDS denialist, we need 1:46:04.320 --> 1:46:06.120 to point out one more thing he can do, which 1:46:06.160 --> 1:46:08.080 is that he can use the Office of the Inspector 1:46:08.160 --> 1:46:11.400 General as a weapon to you know, I mean. 1:46:11.439 --> 1:46:13.400 It is the Office of the Inspector General. 1:46:13.439 --> 1:46:16.000 And like the regular the legal and regulatory capacities of 1:46:16.040 --> 1:46:18.760 the other agencies under Health and Human Services, are they 1:46:18.840 --> 1:46:20.439 supposed to be a thing that you can use to 1:46:20.479 --> 1:46:25.719 go after drug companies for like making vaccines. No, will 1:46:25.760 --> 1:46:28.240 he be able to do it, probably because we are 1:46:28.280 --> 1:46:32.800 about to enter a a era of like law fair 1:46:33.200 --> 1:46:36.120 and like what is it isn't considered legal? That is 1:46:36.160 --> 1:46:39.120 going to make the past like eight years seem like 1:46:39.200 --> 1:46:41.800 the most functional democratic regime the world has ever seen. 1:46:42.680 --> 1:46:44.760 So we're probably going to see that, and we're also 1:46:44.800 --> 1:46:49.280 going to see the effects of RFKI Junior's HIV AIDS denihalism. 1:46:49.520 --> 1:46:53.840 And this shit is so I don't know if people 1:46:53.840 --> 1:46:58.040 even remember this, but there is a whole like one 1:46:58.040 --> 1:47:01.120 of the earlier kind of anti VACS conspiracy movements was 1:47:01.160 --> 1:47:06.840 about HIV not being the cause of AIDS. And it's 1:47:06.880 --> 1:47:09.280 been so long since this has been a public thing 1:47:09.320 --> 1:47:10.960 that I think most people have sort of forgotten about it. 1:47:10.960 --> 1:47:14.479 I think Dave Gruel is probably the most famous one 1:47:14.479 --> 1:47:16.200 of these guys, But he was in this camp of 1:47:16.240 --> 1:47:20.240 people who thought that like AIDS was cosmy malnutrition. Are 1:47:20.320 --> 1:47:22.519 arf Kad Junior not in that camp Arkad Junior in 1:47:22.560 --> 1:47:25.400 an even worse camp of people who were just like, oh, yeah, no, 1:47:25.479 --> 1:47:28.160 it's because like gay people were doing poppers. 1:47:28.400 --> 1:47:30.720 That like that's his actual thing, right, he thinks that 1:47:30.800 --> 1:47:31.959 you think it was poppers. 1:47:32.760 --> 1:47:35.719 Yeah, he thinks it's because of just literally like quote, 1:47:35.760 --> 1:47:40.559 the gay lifestyle is why HIV happened. This kind of 1:47:40.600 --> 1:47:43.840 shit wiped out in entire generation of query people. Our 1:47:43.840 --> 1:47:46.439 best hope here is that he's forgotten about most of 1:47:46.479 --> 1:47:50.880 this and is on to more and new, like just 1:47:50.920 --> 1:47:54.639 gets sidetracked on his other conspiracies. Then it's just gets 1:47:54.680 --> 1:47:59.559 obsessed with raw milk or whatever. But yeah, this this 1:47:59.600 --> 1:48:02.599 could be really, really fucking bad for if he actually 1:48:02.600 --> 1:48:04.000 decides that this is one of the issues he's going 1:48:04.040 --> 1:48:06.040 to focus on. Right, He's now in charge a bunch 1:48:06.080 --> 1:48:07.720 of the of a bunch of the agencies that like 1:48:07.800 --> 1:48:11.040 helps people fucking deal with this, right because agv aids now, 1:48:11.800 --> 1:48:13.720 you know, getting it is on a death sentence, Like 1:48:13.760 --> 1:48:16.160 you can live, you can live a perfectly functioned normental 1:48:16.200 --> 1:48:17.920 life as long as you have the right medical care. 1:48:18.400 --> 1:48:20.920 And there's as as Garrett was talking about earlier, there's 1:48:21.040 --> 1:48:25.599 there is a pretty promising vaccine that could fucking stop 1:48:25.600 --> 1:48:25.960 this shit. 1:48:26.240 --> 1:48:26.400 Right. 1:48:27.640 --> 1:48:29.960 But if this is something that he remembers and he 1:48:30.040 --> 1:48:32.640 focuses on, there's a real chance of him using his 1:48:32.760 --> 1:48:34.679 power to fuck with it because he is a kind 1:48:34.720 --> 1:48:38.360 of homophobic that like up until really two or three 1:48:38.439 --> 1:48:41.559 years ago had kind of like mostly vanished from like 1:48:41.680 --> 1:48:44.240 the mainstream even from sort of like the heart that 1:48:44.439 --> 1:48:47.080 like the homophobes tended to have different homophobia now than 1:48:47.160 --> 1:48:47.880 like this shit. 1:48:48.640 --> 1:48:52.240 Yeah, so this is like a classic eighties nineties homophobia. 1:48:52.439 --> 1:48:53.600 Yeah. Yeah. 1:48:53.640 --> 1:48:56.160 And at this point also we need to mention that again, 1:48:56.240 --> 1:48:57.920 one of the offices that he's now in charge of 1:48:58.000 --> 1:49:00.240 is the Office for Civil Rights the ocr which is 1:49:00.280 --> 1:49:03.640 oh cool. We've talked about on our episodes about transpolicy. 1:49:03.720 --> 1:49:05.880 He's I don't know, RFK Junior is kind of one 1:49:05.880 --> 1:49:07.160 of those people where it's like it's not clear to 1:49:07.160 --> 1:49:09.160 me if like his heart's really in the anti trans stuff. 1:49:09.160 --> 1:49:11.880 He says all of the most hideous anti transshit, right, 1:49:11.880 --> 1:49:14.040 But that's also like it's also a pretty recent position 1:49:14.080 --> 1:49:15.719 that he's adopted, you mean, yeah. 1:49:15.600 --> 1:49:19.120 Same thing with Trump. Yeah, but now that might not matter, right. 1:49:19.200 --> 1:49:22.120 Sure, I'm just saying that these are more recent changes 1:49:22.160 --> 1:49:24.679 from them, Yeah, yeah, to kind of reflect a growing 1:49:24.800 --> 1:49:28.120 shift in politics for like the GOP and their and 1:49:28.160 --> 1:49:31.679 their base. Yeah, whereas like historically Trump has has felt 1:49:31.720 --> 1:49:37.599 fine sexually harassing trans women yep, yep, because of their women, 1:49:37.720 --> 1:49:41.479 because of misogyny, you know, yeah anyway, But you know, 1:49:41.720 --> 1:49:44.120 but our issue here is that the Office of Civil 1:49:44.240 --> 1:49:46.960 Rights is the office that you're supposed to that that's 1:49:46.960 --> 1:49:50.799 supposed to be the thing that stops discrimination in healthcare. 1:49:50.920 --> 1:49:53.360 Oh okay, And in fact, this is the organization that 1:49:53.439 --> 1:49:55.800 the Biden administration had just left trans people to the 1:49:55.800 --> 1:49:58.439 mercy of where if like if your healthcare got banned, 1:49:58.439 --> 1:50:00.640 you were supposed to like submit a complet to the 1:50:00.640 --> 1:50:04.919 ocr So like it's not like an incredibly functional agency 1:50:05.000 --> 1:50:08.400 right now, right, but it's about to get a lot worse. 1:50:09.240 --> 1:50:10.200 There's a couple other things that. 1:50:10.200 --> 1:50:12.200 I should mention before we close out here that are 1:50:12.320 --> 1:50:14.320 I mean, you could do a full episode on in 1:50:14.360 --> 1:50:16.799 and of themselves, but there's just so much shit here. 1:50:17.520 --> 1:50:20.320 One of them is that he's also like anti fluoride 1:50:20.640 --> 1:50:24.800 in drinking water. Yes, yes, yes, Now this is one 1:50:24.800 --> 1:50:26.280 where I don't know how much power he's gonna have 1:50:26.280 --> 1:50:27.800 to do this because a lot of fluoride stuff is 1:50:27.800 --> 1:50:29.040 done at the local level. 1:50:28.880 --> 1:50:31.240 Well luckily for our friends of Bortland, and this won't 1:50:31.280 --> 1:50:34.000 affect them at all because there already is no fluoride 1:50:34.000 --> 1:50:35.880 in your drinking water yep. 1:50:35.800 --> 1:50:38.040 So our dental health is just fucked because of this. 1:50:38.560 --> 1:50:40.400 He's probably going to use. This is gonna be another 1:50:40.400 --> 1:50:43.120 bully pulpit thing where he uses his position to push 1:50:43.160 --> 1:50:45.880 anti fluoride shit. And I think the last thing I 1:50:45.920 --> 1:50:48.639 want to end on is just one of the like cruel, 1:50:48.760 --> 1:50:51.599 petty things that he's probably going to be able to do. 1:50:52.240 --> 1:50:55.760 Is one of the like bugbears of the right is 1:50:55.800 --> 1:50:59.639 that like people on food stamps aren't eating healthy enough food, 1:51:00.120 --> 1:51:01.920 and so we're probably gonna see a bunch of these 1:51:02.040 --> 1:51:04.240 just really hideous restrictions and of what you can buy 1:51:04.600 --> 1:51:06.360 with with snap benefits. 1:51:06.840 --> 1:51:07.480 Yeah. 1:51:07.560 --> 1:51:09.960 Well, and the rest of these guys also just want 1:51:10.400 --> 1:51:12.640 snap benefits and welfare to also just like go down 1:51:12.680 --> 1:51:13.679 the toilet entirely. 1:51:13.840 --> 1:51:16.040 So yeah, so they're trying to make them as unusable 1:51:16.040 --> 1:51:18.200 as possible. And again it's like okay, so like if 1:51:18.240 --> 1:51:20.040 you can only buy like fresh fruit with this and 1:51:20.080 --> 1:51:22.639 you live in a food desert, yeah, because you're poor, 1:51:23.040 --> 1:51:23.720 what the fuck you? 1:51:23.720 --> 1:51:26.720 You know, right, It's just it's just compounding classism. 1:51:26.800 --> 1:51:29.400 Yeah, And the general trend of this is things are 1:51:29.400 --> 1:51:34.400 either going to get monumentally worse or merely sort of worse. 1:51:34.920 --> 1:51:36.680 I do love those two options. 1:51:37.080 --> 1:51:40.360 Yeah, when your best chance is your hope, you're hoping 1:51:40.400 --> 1:51:42.200 the brain worms ate the part of his brain that 1:51:42.320 --> 1:51:46.120 remembered this specific conspiracy, you're in real trouble. 1:51:47.280 --> 1:51:50.240 I mean, RFK Junior is so emblematic of like the 1:51:50.280 --> 1:51:54.800 type of like democrat, kind of wing nut hippie environmental 1:51:55.120 --> 1:51:58.320 guy who then slowly has been pivoting to like the 1:51:58.400 --> 1:52:00.479 right wing conspiracy sphere. Like you've seen this with a 1:52:00.520 --> 1:52:02.439 lot of like you know, like hippie moms from like 1:52:02.439 --> 1:52:05.639 the nineties right who had very like you know, fluoride beliefs, 1:52:05.720 --> 1:52:08.000 vaccine beliefs, like all this type of stuff that was 1:52:08.080 --> 1:52:10.360 kind of more associated with this like kind of like 1:52:11.320 --> 1:52:15.840 slightly conspiratorial wing nutty section of like the left, and 1:52:15.920 --> 1:52:19.760 how much that entire sphere has been totally eaten by 1:52:19.800 --> 1:52:22.400 the right and now it's a pretty like successful and 1:52:22.439 --> 1:52:25.120 reliable voting block for them. And this has only become 1:52:25.160 --> 1:52:27.680 more of the case under Trump's first term. And now 1:52:27.720 --> 1:52:29.719 we are seeing it again with these types of guys 1:52:30.080 --> 1:52:34.120 not just on like Facebook comments sections, but now actually 1:52:34.160 --> 1:52:35.920 like heading up entire departments of state. 1:52:36.160 --> 1:52:38.320 Yeah, and it's also worth mentioning that part of the 1:52:38.320 --> 1:52:40.479 reason this stuff happens is because it's really profitable the 1:52:40.520 --> 1:52:42.800 anti vaccine lobby, and it is a lobby, has an 1:52:42.880 --> 1:52:45.160 unbelievable amount of money. You see a lot of people 1:52:45.320 --> 1:52:47.760 pivot towards it. I'm going to close this out by 1:52:47.840 --> 1:52:52.000 yelling at there's a media organization called grey Zone, which 1:52:52.040 --> 1:52:54.559 if you've been involved in anti Palestine activistm you've probably 1:52:54.560 --> 1:52:57.879 seen some of their reporting. They are also like pivoted 1:52:57.960 --> 1:53:01.519 into this kind of anti vaccine stuff. And you know, 1:53:01.680 --> 1:53:03.760 you remember remember at the top what I talked about 1:53:03.920 --> 1:53:07.200 Jay Badachaira, who's that anti lockdown fanatic who's going to 1:53:07.240 --> 1:53:09.800 be in charge of the National Institutes of Health. He 1:53:09.920 --> 1:53:12.920 is a guy that, like Grey Zone, interviewed on their 1:53:13.000 --> 1:53:15.040 fucking website and put out a bunch of articles in 1:53:15.080 --> 1:53:18.960 support of his anti lockdown stuff. Right, And so this 1:53:19.000 --> 1:53:20.960 is something that we've been seeing for the last four years, 1:53:21.160 --> 1:53:22.880 is a lot of people who are supposed to be 1:53:22.960 --> 1:53:25.719 leftists pivoting towards his anti vax stuff. Gibidor is another 1:53:25.720 --> 1:53:28.479 example of this. Yes, yes, literally purely because it makes 1:53:28.479 --> 1:53:31.840 you a lot of money. And now that now these 1:53:31.880 --> 1:53:34.880 grifters just have their guy in office, and all of 1:53:34.920 --> 1:53:37.240 us are going to have to live with the consequences 1:53:37.240 --> 1:53:41.320 of it unless unless we stop this jackass from being 1:53:41.360 --> 1:53:44.760 put into office, which is not impossible. It's it's it's 1:53:44.800 --> 1:53:47.519 not without hope. This guy has a lot of enemies, 1:53:48.040 --> 1:53:52.920 both among like the people, and also in corporate America 1:53:53.080 --> 1:53:54.479 so h and also. 1:53:54.360 --> 1:53:57.640 In the animal kingdom. That's true, that's true. He has 1:53:57.800 --> 1:54:02.560 he has many enemies. Families of the dead carcasses he draws. 1:54:02.240 --> 1:54:06.040 Around well, and this is the families of the microbials 1:54:06.080 --> 1:54:09.719 in those carcasses which have wormed their way literally into 1:54:09.760 --> 1:54:10.280 his brain. 1:54:10.920 --> 1:54:34.160 Yeah. 1:54:34.720 --> 1:54:37.400 Hello, and welcome back to It could Happen Here, a 1:54:37.520 --> 1:54:40.240 show that is no longer hypothetical now that it is 1:54:40.560 --> 1:54:44.360 happening here. I'm your occasional host, Molly Conger, and today 1:54:44.400 --> 1:54:45.560 I just want to talk to you a little bit 1:54:45.600 --> 1:54:50.080 about your online security. It's a hot topic right now 1:54:50.120 --> 1:54:53.800 for obvious reasons, and this won't be a comprehensive overview 1:54:53.840 --> 1:54:56.920 on the subject by any meanings. I'm sure there will 1:54:56.920 --> 1:54:59.680 be more episodes in the future covering specific angles on 1:54:59.720 --> 1:55:02.760 this more depth, but today I just want to touch 1:55:02.760 --> 1:55:05.600 on some basics, especially for people who may be asking 1:55:05.640 --> 1:55:09.520 themselves some of these questions for the first time. This 1:55:09.600 --> 1:55:12.560 is more of a mental framework and a pep talk. 1:55:13.360 --> 1:55:16.560 The main message here is don't freak out. I'm not 1:55:16.600 --> 1:55:20.200 saying the situation isn't serious for your concerns aren't real. 1:55:21.000 --> 1:55:24.120 It's very serious, But freaking out is not going to 1:55:24.200 --> 1:55:27.680 do you any good. And if you're looking for complicated, 1:55:27.840 --> 1:55:31.440 high tech solutions to the very real anxiety that you're 1:55:31.440 --> 1:55:34.680 feeling right now, this episode doesn't have it. That's not 1:55:34.720 --> 1:55:36.680 what I have for you today. And I know a 1:55:36.720 --> 1:55:39.960 lot of people have really specific concerns about apps they 1:55:40.040 --> 1:55:43.080 might be using to track their menstrual cycles or fertility. 1:55:43.720 --> 1:55:45.840 And we're not going to touch on that today because 1:55:46.320 --> 1:55:48.720 I think it's a topic that deserves its own episode, 1:55:49.000 --> 1:55:52.240 and an episode where I talk to an actual expert. 1:55:52.880 --> 1:55:56.200 So I'm hoping to get that out next month. So 1:55:56.280 --> 1:55:59.760 what are we talking about? The answer is pretty simple, 1:56:00.480 --> 1:56:02.840 calming down and shutting up. 1:56:03.600 --> 1:56:04.120 That's right. 1:56:04.360 --> 1:56:07.000 It's only Thursday when this airs, but it is always 1:56:07.120 --> 1:56:10.320 shut the fuck up Friday in our hearts, because the 1:56:10.320 --> 1:56:13.800 main source of the risks you can do something about 1:56:14.640 --> 1:56:18.880 is your own mouth. Because here's the thing. I'm not 1:56:18.920 --> 1:56:23.560 an expert on digital security. I'm not a computer programmer 1:56:23.680 --> 1:56:26.920 or a hacker. I had to call our producer Danil 1:56:27.040 --> 1:56:29.360 one time because I went to record an episode and 1:56:29.400 --> 1:56:33.600 my little recording device said no, and I almost cried. 1:56:33.640 --> 1:56:36.600 And it turned out I accidentally slid the little tab 1:56:36.640 --> 1:56:39.960 on the data card that locks it. I don't know, 1:56:41.040 --> 1:56:43.920 but what I do know a lot about is how 1:56:43.920 --> 1:56:48.600 to exploit someone else's lack of digital security. If you're 1:56:48.640 --> 1:56:51.320 a listener to my show We're Little Guys, you know 1:56:51.400 --> 1:56:54.440 that I kind of have a knack for finding out 1:56:54.720 --> 1:56:57.240 everything there is to know about a guy. So what 1:56:57.280 --> 1:56:59.800 I can offer you is a sort of reverse engineered 1:56:59.840 --> 1:57:05.920 guy to stay safe online from someone like me but evil. 1:57:06.720 --> 1:57:08.480 I like to tell people that you should be thinking 1:57:08.560 --> 1:57:12.120 of your digital security kind of like your health. People 1:57:12.120 --> 1:57:16.280 are going to have different risk factors, different vulnerabilities, different concerns, 1:57:16.360 --> 1:57:20.360 different goals. If you're undocumented or on a student or 1:57:20.400 --> 1:57:23.680 work visa, the risks and possible consequences for you are 1:57:23.840 --> 1:57:26.880 very different. If you're queer or trans or a person 1:57:26.880 --> 1:57:30.520 of color, your risk profile looks different. If you're economically 1:57:30.560 --> 1:57:33.560 dependent on family members whose politics don't align with yours, 1:57:33.560 --> 1:57:36.880 your risk profile is different. If you have a criminal record, 1:57:36.920 --> 1:57:39.120 if you work in a field where your political activity 1:57:39.160 --> 1:57:42.320 is a significant threat to your continued employment, if you're 1:57:42.360 --> 1:57:44.400 running for office, if you have a security clearance, if 1:57:44.440 --> 1:57:48.960 you have children or vulnerable family. These are all different vulnerabilities, 1:57:49.560 --> 1:57:52.240 and you're going to have specific concerns that are unique 1:57:52.240 --> 1:57:55.600 to you. And this isn't meant to address those specific 1:57:55.800 --> 1:57:59.240 risk scenarios. But just like people who may have different 1:57:59.320 --> 1:58:02.560 risk factors when comes to their health, everyone can benefit 1:58:02.600 --> 1:58:05.320 from the basics. You know, no matter who you are, 1:58:05.880 --> 1:58:08.200 you have to wash your hands, and when it comes 1:58:08.240 --> 1:58:10.320 to digital security, a lot of People want to jump 1:58:10.400 --> 1:58:14.200 right to the exciting, complicated technical fixes. You know, they 1:58:14.240 --> 1:58:20.000 want the Kim Kardashian full body MRI equivalent of being 1:58:20.040 --> 1:58:23.280 safe online. People want to talk about buying burner phones 1:58:23.320 --> 1:58:26.000 and getting a Faraday bag and evading high tech surveillance, 1:58:26.040 --> 1:58:29.520 but they're not washing their hands. People love to say 1:58:29.560 --> 1:58:32.000 they're going to buy a burner phone. But if you 1:58:32.000 --> 1:58:34.760 go to Walmart and you buy a burner phone and 1:58:34.800 --> 1:58:36.720 you put your credit card into the machine that is 1:58:36.760 --> 1:58:38.760 recording a video of your face, and then you take 1:58:38.800 --> 1:58:40.800 that phone home and turn it on inside your house 1:58:41.240 --> 1:58:44.120 next to your real phone, you've done nothing but waste 1:58:44.120 --> 1:58:47.400 your time and money. So we're not talking about solutions 1:58:47.480 --> 1:58:51.720 like that. We are talking about is boring, un sexy, 1:58:52.160 --> 1:58:56.040 basic stuff that everybody can and should be doing before 1:58:56.080 --> 1:58:57.920 they jump into the deep end. If you choose to 1:58:57.960 --> 1:59:00.840 go that route, because I'm not saying you should worry 1:59:00.840 --> 1:59:03.000 about more advanced threats, I'm just saying you have to 1:59:03.000 --> 1:59:06.240 start here. So before you can figure out how to 1:59:06.360 --> 1:59:09.400 mitigate a risk, you have to nail down what that 1:59:09.560 --> 1:59:13.480 risk actually is, what is the outcome that you're hoping 1:59:13.520 --> 1:59:16.640 to avoid. There's a lot of anxiety right now about 1:59:17.000 --> 1:59:21.280 unknowable possibilities, and it's really easy to get overwhelmed with 1:59:21.400 --> 1:59:25.080 the what ifs of a worst case scenario and then 1:59:25.120 --> 1:59:29.480 you just end up feeling really helpless. And look, yeah, 1:59:29.560 --> 1:59:32.640 there are some potential threats here that I don't have 1:59:32.720 --> 1:59:35.760 the tools to help you address, But that doesn't mean 1:59:35.760 --> 1:59:38.320 you shouldn't be taking the steps that are within your 1:59:38.320 --> 1:59:41.080 control right now. You have to fight off that feeling 1:59:41.080 --> 1:59:44.760 of helplessness. So what we're talking about here is threat modeling. 1:59:45.240 --> 1:59:47.280 It gave a little workshop a few months ago about 1:59:47.280 --> 1:59:49.800 digital security, and the first thing I asked the group 1:59:50.000 --> 1:59:54.240 was what is the bad thing that you were worried 1:59:54.440 --> 1:59:58.320 will happen? And most people's answer to that was they're 1:59:58.320 --> 2:00:02.040 worried about getting doxed. Okay, that's that's fair, that's a 2:00:02.120 --> 2:00:05.640 valid fear, But what do you mean by that? What 2:00:05.920 --> 2:00:09.360 specifically is the piece of information you are worried someone 2:00:09.360 --> 2:00:14.120 will discover? Is it your name, your address where you work? 2:00:15.040 --> 2:00:17.960 Is it connecting two pieces of your online identity that 2:00:18.240 --> 2:00:21.840 you thought were separate. Docxing can mean a lot of 2:00:21.880 --> 2:00:25.040 things to different people at a different contexts, and it 2:00:25.040 --> 2:00:28.240 can happen in degrees. Right, Like you know my full 2:00:28.320 --> 2:00:32.720 legal name. I'm you know, dosed to whatever extent that 2:00:32.800 --> 2:00:35.920 means anything. But this could still happen to me. Someone 2:00:36.040 --> 2:00:38.680 could still discover a piece of information about me that 2:00:39.160 --> 2:00:43.200 I wish they didn't have. And most people can't become 2:00:43.360 --> 2:00:47.400 completely anonymous. I can't help you do that, and honestly, 2:00:47.720 --> 2:00:52.600 I don't think that should be most people's goals. Don't disappear. 2:00:53.400 --> 2:00:55.960 I'm not telling you you should disappear. This is just 2:00:55.960 --> 2:00:59.080 about figuring out what makes sense for you and what 2:00:59.120 --> 2:01:02.160 you can do to nap gate the landscape that you've 2:01:02.240 --> 2:01:16.320 chosen to operate in. So, what is the actual negative 2:01:16.360 --> 2:01:20.880 outcome specifically that is making you feel afraid? What is 2:01:20.920 --> 2:01:23.640 the concrete thing that you are thinking about when you 2:01:23.720 --> 2:01:27.040 experience that fear. And people's answers tend to be that 2:01:27.200 --> 2:01:30.919 they're worried about getting harassed, They're worried about their physical safety, 2:01:31.280 --> 2:01:34.080 They're worried about negative fallout at work or at school. 2:01:34.880 --> 2:01:38.120 People's fears tend to be about things like getting arrested, 2:01:38.360 --> 2:01:44.520 getting sued, getting fired, getting hurt, and getting embarrassed. And 2:01:44.560 --> 2:01:47.360 so the next question is can you identify the potential 2:01:47.480 --> 2:01:50.760 sources for the kinds of harm you're worried about, and 2:01:50.800 --> 2:01:53.720 you can sort these into a few primary categories. The 2:01:53.800 --> 2:01:57.360 state can harm you. That's the police, the government. You 2:01:57.360 --> 2:02:00.840 can get charged with a crime. Institutions can harm you. 2:02:01.600 --> 2:02:03.839 If you're a student, you can get in trouble at school, 2:02:03.920 --> 2:02:06.280 If you have some kind of professional license, people could 2:02:06.280 --> 2:02:10.600 file complaints against you. Politicians and organized political groups can 2:02:10.640 --> 2:02:13.480 harm you. You know, Marjorie Taylor Green might tweet your 2:02:13.520 --> 2:02:17.000 TikTok video or Canary Mission might do a blog post 2:02:17.040 --> 2:02:20.520 about where you work. And right wing groups can harm you. 2:02:20.520 --> 2:02:24.080 You might get targeted harassment from some Nazi telegram channel. 2:02:24.680 --> 2:02:27.959 Worst case scenario, maybe you were physically threatened or attacked 2:02:28.000 --> 2:02:32.040 by an extremist group. You could get swatted. And then 2:02:32.080 --> 2:02:35.320 there's just this sort of wild card of the random 2:02:35.360 --> 2:02:39.080 strangers and Internet mobs and the way they factor into 2:02:39.160 --> 2:02:43.120 and exacerbate all of the above scenarios. When it comes 2:02:43.160 --> 2:02:46.160 to harm from the state, that's beyond what we're talking 2:02:46.160 --> 2:02:50.600 about with this digital hand washing metaphor. A lot of 2:02:50.600 --> 2:02:53.480 the prevention steps you can take today are still going 2:02:53.520 --> 2:02:55.880 to help you. They're still worth taking. But at the 2:02:55.920 --> 2:02:58.160 end of the day, if the government wants to know 2:02:58.200 --> 2:03:00.360 who runs a Twitter account, who drove to a protest, 2:03:00.400 --> 2:03:04.160 who supported a movement, who donated money. That's beyond the basics. 2:03:04.720 --> 2:03:07.560 Most of what I have direct experience with are just 2:03:07.640 --> 2:03:10.760 these basic measures that you can take to day to 2:03:10.840 --> 2:03:13.880 make it a little bit harder for the average weird 2:03:13.880 --> 2:03:17.200 little guy to get into your business. It'll stop the 2:03:17.240 --> 2:03:21.120 average online troll, it'll slow down a decent sleuth, but 2:03:21.160 --> 2:03:22.760 it's not the kind of stuff that stops a guy 2:03:22.760 --> 2:03:27.480 with a warrant. Think of protecting your online identity like 2:03:27.560 --> 2:03:32.120 being inside your house. If you have no curtains, someone 2:03:32.200 --> 2:03:35.080 walking down the street can see you, even if they 2:03:35.600 --> 2:03:38.120 didn't go out of their way to look. If you're 2:03:38.120 --> 2:03:41.120 putting everything out there with no thought to digital security, 2:03:41.720 --> 2:03:44.120 somebody could dox se you without even trying, just like 2:03:44.200 --> 2:03:46.200 they would be able to see and through your windows 2:03:46.200 --> 2:03:49.280 from the street. Somebody who is a little more curious 2:03:49.320 --> 2:03:52.520 about you might walk into your yard. But if you 2:03:52.560 --> 2:03:56.000 put up a fence, maybe that person will decide this 2:03:56.040 --> 2:03:59.360 isn't really worth my time. Somebody who loves peeping in 2:03:59.400 --> 2:04:02.920 windows really wants to see you. He's gonna hop your fence, right. 2:04:03.680 --> 2:04:07.760 But the average troll will see these barriers and they'll 2:04:07.760 --> 2:04:11.480 get bored. But again, curtains, a fence, a locked door, 2:04:11.520 --> 2:04:14.000 a guard dog. These don't stop a guy with a warrant. 2:04:14.520 --> 2:04:17.960 So we're talking about just putting up barriers that slow 2:04:18.040 --> 2:04:23.200 down and discourage the average low to mid level weirdo. 2:04:23.600 --> 2:04:26.840 In short, do let your Facebook set your accounts to private, 2:04:27.240 --> 2:04:30.880 you signal, put a pass code on your phone, say less, 2:04:31.520 --> 2:04:34.920 and try to do something about the data brokers. Let's 2:04:34.920 --> 2:04:37.760 break these down one at a time. I'm sure it's 2:04:37.760 --> 2:04:40.200 been talked about on this show before, but I tell 2:04:40.240 --> 2:04:44.839 everyone in my life download Signal. Download Signal. It's free, 2:04:44.960 --> 2:04:48.200 put it on your phone. It's just an encrypted messaging app, 2:04:48.640 --> 2:04:51.320 and I use it by default, pretty much exclusively in 2:04:51.360 --> 2:04:53.880 place of regular texting, just because it's easier for me 2:04:53.920 --> 2:04:56.600 to have everything in one place. It doesn't collect or 2:04:56.640 --> 2:04:59.080 store your metadata, it doesn't back up to the cloud, 2:04:59.240 --> 2:05:01.880 and you can set all of your conversations to automatically 2:05:01.920 --> 2:05:06.920 disappear at whatever time interval you choose. You don't need 2:05:07.400 --> 2:05:08.800 text messages from a year ago. 2:05:08.960 --> 2:05:09.360 You don't. 2:05:09.440 --> 2:05:11.840 Those can never help you, They can only hurt you. 2:05:11.960 --> 2:05:15.760 Just let them go and turn off the biometric unlock 2:05:15.840 --> 2:05:19.000 on your phone. Whether that's a fingerprint or a face ID. 2:05:19.800 --> 2:05:23.440 Turn it off, turn it off. Set a passcode. If 2:05:23.440 --> 2:05:25.240 you get arrested and you have your phone on you, 2:05:26.120 --> 2:05:28.560 they can use your finger or your face to unlock 2:05:28.600 --> 2:05:31.720 it without a warrant. But if you have a passcode, 2:05:32.120 --> 2:05:34.840 you're a little bit safer. So set a pass code 2:05:34.840 --> 2:05:37.480 that's at least six digits long longer if you can 2:05:37.520 --> 2:05:40.520 bear it, I know. But when it comes to social media, 2:05:40.920 --> 2:05:43.360 you have some choices. You may look at your own 2:05:43.440 --> 2:05:46.480 threat model and say, why don't care if everyone can 2:05:46.480 --> 2:05:49.600 see what I've posted? And that's okay, right. We all 2:05:49.640 --> 2:05:53.600 have different goals and vulnerabilities. And if you're a very 2:05:53.640 --> 2:05:58.440 public organizer, then yeah, you need public social media. But 2:05:58.440 --> 2:06:01.560 if you've been using Facebook for two twenty years, you 2:06:01.640 --> 2:06:05.480 probably weren't always very careful about what was on there. 2:06:05.960 --> 2:06:08.760 And there are privacy settings now where you can retroactively 2:06:08.840 --> 2:06:11.520 set all of your old posts to a new privacy settings. 2:06:11.840 --> 2:06:14.160 You should do that start there if you haven't done that, 2:06:15.200 --> 2:06:19.440 but that still leaves a lot of digital debris. If 2:06:19.480 --> 2:06:22.160 you've changed your display name to something more private in 2:06:22.200 --> 2:06:25.880 recent years, something that isn't your current legal name, old 2:06:26.000 --> 2:06:30.200 posts that other people made about you still have your 2:06:30.200 --> 2:06:32.880 old name in them. So if they tagged you ten 2:06:32.960 --> 2:06:36.760 years ago, that old name is still a link to 2:06:36.840 --> 2:06:40.520 your current profile, and you can't control the content that 2:06:40.560 --> 2:06:43.960 your friends and family posted years ago. And on the 2:06:43.960 --> 2:06:47.560 flip side, if in the end you decide you don't 2:06:47.640 --> 2:06:51.160 care what's on your Facebook about you, when you're doing 2:06:51.240 --> 2:06:55.360 your threat modeling, consider the people close to you, because 2:06:55.360 --> 2:06:57.880 when I'm working at this from the other side, a 2:06:57.920 --> 2:07:00.480 lot of times I'll find that, you know, the guy 2:07:00.520 --> 2:07:02.840 that I'm looking for has done a pretty good job 2:07:03.360 --> 2:07:07.600 cleaning up his own digital presence, but his wife, his mom, 2:07:07.760 --> 2:07:12.200 his sister, someone in his life as not. So if 2:07:12.200 --> 2:07:14.520 there's someone in your life who maybe is at greater 2:07:14.640 --> 2:07:18.440 risk than you are, don't be their weak spot. And 2:07:18.480 --> 2:07:21.040 if you're in a position to do so, talk to 2:07:21.080 --> 2:07:24.600 the people in your life about this. Have these conversations 2:07:24.640 --> 2:07:28.160 about what are our risks, what are our goals. Let's 2:07:28.200 --> 2:07:32.200 do a digital hygiene tech together, because you can build 2:07:32.200 --> 2:07:35.440 an impenetrable digital fortress around yourself. But if you're aunt 2:07:35.520 --> 2:07:38.560 Kathy is live streaming your baby shower, that didn't do 2:07:38.600 --> 2:07:39.160 you much good. 2:07:39.960 --> 2:07:40.680 And now that more. 2:07:40.520 --> 2:07:43.320 People are talking about these kinds of concerns. You can 2:07:43.360 --> 2:07:45.760 try broaching the subject with people in your life that 2:07:45.840 --> 2:07:48.280 may not have been receptive to it a year ago. 2:07:48.960 --> 2:07:51.080 Show your mom how to set our Facebook to private. 2:07:51.880 --> 2:07:55.480 Take the time to explain to your less political siblings 2:07:56.160 --> 2:07:59.200 why they should think about the ways in which their 2:07:59.280 --> 2:08:03.240 social media use might expose someone they care about. Don't 2:08:03.280 --> 2:08:06.720 just scold them or you say it's reckless that you're 2:08:06.760 --> 2:08:20.600 doing this, talk about why so when it comes to 2:08:20.600 --> 2:08:24.640 social media, I'm saying delete your Facebook as a sort 2:08:24.680 --> 2:08:29.720 of shorthand for the general cleanup of the stuff that 2:08:29.760 --> 2:08:33.680 you've left online for the last twenty years. Cleaning up 2:08:33.680 --> 2:08:36.480 your online presence is the number one thing you can 2:08:36.560 --> 2:08:41.280 do right now to thwart the bizarro universe version of 2:08:41.320 --> 2:08:43.800 me who is trying to collect every piece of information 2:08:43.840 --> 2:08:47.800 about you. Because even if you're careful today, even if 2:08:47.800 --> 2:08:51.240 you're so smart about it now and you're not putting 2:08:51.280 --> 2:08:54.400 anything online that puts you at risk, you weren't always 2:08:54.440 --> 2:08:57.640 that careful. We're all guilty of it. People who've been 2:08:57.680 --> 2:08:59.720 doing this for a long time, people who know better, 2:09:00.120 --> 2:09:03.960 We're all guilty of being a little messy online. It's okay, 2:09:04.280 --> 2:09:07.240 there's no shame that you didn't know before. Don't feel silly, 2:09:07.240 --> 2:09:11.440 don't feel guilty. Just start cleaning it up today and 2:09:11.480 --> 2:09:13.800 so to figure out what exactly you might have been 2:09:13.880 --> 2:09:16.480 leaving out in the open, one thing you can try 2:09:16.680 --> 2:09:20.480 is doxing yourself, or do it with a friend, right, 2:09:20.520 --> 2:09:24.440 try doxing each other. So start with a completely clean cash, 2:09:24.440 --> 2:09:28.320 do your cookies whatever, Open an incognito browser, Start with 2:09:28.360 --> 2:09:32.120 a blank slate, and just google yourself. Google your name, 2:09:32.560 --> 2:09:36.760 your address, your phone number. Google the usernames that you 2:09:36.800 --> 2:09:40.880 currently use on various sites. But google the username you 2:09:40.960 --> 2:09:44.800 used in high school. Google your old aim handle, Google 2:09:44.840 --> 2:09:46.919 the email address you made when you were twelve. 2:09:47.640 --> 2:09:48.360 What comes up? 2:09:49.120 --> 2:09:53.640 And is that information you want everybody to have? Probably not. 2:09:54.600 --> 2:09:58.360 Start by deleting accounts you don't use anymore. Just wipe 2:09:58.400 --> 2:10:02.000 those bad boys right out. Don't need those. A lot 2:10:02.000 --> 2:10:04.360 of people have no idea that the ghost of their 2:10:04.400 --> 2:10:09.480 old MySpace page still exists online. I've actually used that 2:10:09.520 --> 2:10:12.839 one fairly recently to confirm the details about a person's 2:10:12.920 --> 2:10:17.320 close associates and family members. They hadn't logged into MySpace 2:10:17.360 --> 2:10:21.280 since twenty ten. But your top eight lives forever. So 2:10:21.600 --> 2:10:24.920 delete or set to privates any account that you don't use, 2:10:25.080 --> 2:10:27.919 don't need, or just don't need to be public facing. 2:10:28.880 --> 2:10:32.960 Log into every social media site, every forum, every online 2:10:33.000 --> 2:10:36.240 store where you've ever created an account, and just look 2:10:36.240 --> 2:10:40.200 at what's visible. Your online reviews may contain information about 2:10:40.200 --> 2:10:43.800 where you live. Your profile on some forum you posted 2:10:43.840 --> 2:10:46.320 on in twenty twelve probably has your birthday on it. 2:10:46.760 --> 2:10:49.760 And if you're an active Pinterest user, your Pinterest boards 2:10:49.800 --> 2:10:53.360 are probably revealing a lot more information about you than 2:10:53.400 --> 2:10:56.960 you realize, information about your family, your interests, your plans 2:10:56.960 --> 2:10:59.960 for the future. People will make Pinterest boards with names 2:11:00.240 --> 2:11:04.840 like Jaden's second birthday, and now I know that you 2:11:04.920 --> 2:11:07.440 have a son named Jaden whose second birthday party you 2:11:07.480 --> 2:11:11.680 were planning last July. That's a real example. So set 2:11:11.680 --> 2:11:14.640 these things to private. Change your profile picture to something 2:11:14.680 --> 2:11:17.880 that isn't your face. Look at your username. Did you 2:11:17.920 --> 2:11:19.520 have to put some numbers at the end of that 2:11:19.680 --> 2:11:22.400 because the one you wanted was taken? Are those numbers 2:11:22.400 --> 2:11:26.800 your birthday? And vary your usernames a little bit. Unless 2:11:26.840 --> 2:11:29.440 you have some kind of professional reason for using a 2:11:29.480 --> 2:11:34.520 personal brand across every platform, don't use the same username everywhere. 2:11:34.960 --> 2:11:38.880 Keep separate areas of your life separate. Don't make it 2:11:38.920 --> 2:11:41.640 any easier than it needs to be to connect these 2:11:41.680 --> 2:11:46.200 different pieces of your digital footprint into one picture of 2:11:46.240 --> 2:11:49.720 who you are. Because again I'm not talking about becoming 2:11:49.800 --> 2:11:54.560 completely anonymous online. A lot of people need to exist 2:11:54.800 --> 2:11:57.680 online as the person that they are. You have a LinkedIn, 2:11:57.840 --> 2:12:01.040 you do public facing organized. I'm not saying you need 2:12:01.080 --> 2:12:05.120 to disappear from online, but if you have accounts that 2:12:05.160 --> 2:12:07.200 you don't want connected back to. 2:12:07.240 --> 2:12:08.240 Your true identity. 2:12:08.320 --> 2:12:10.880 If there are pieces of you that exist that you 2:12:10.920 --> 2:12:15.120 don't want side by side, don't connect them. So if 2:12:15.200 --> 2:12:19.080 you anonymously run a social media account for an activist group, 2:12:19.560 --> 2:12:23.000 don't use it to follow your own real account. Don't 2:12:23.080 --> 2:12:26.040 like your boyfriend's posts when you're logged into your anarchist 2:12:26.040 --> 2:12:29.160 shit posting account if you don't want it connected to you, 2:12:29.640 --> 2:12:33.600 don't create overlap. If you post a screenshot from one 2:12:33.640 --> 2:12:36.440 social media platform onto another, you know, a screenshot of 2:12:36.440 --> 2:12:40.200 a tweet on your Instagram, whatever, be mindful of what's 2:12:40.280 --> 2:12:43.040 in that image. Is there a thumbnail of your own 2:12:43.040 --> 2:12:46.320 profile picture in there? Does the screenshot show that you 2:12:46.360 --> 2:12:50.040 interacted with that post? Because a filled in heart on 2:12:50.080 --> 2:12:53.640 an Instagram screenshot is something I have used as a 2:12:53.640 --> 2:12:57.080 building block for a docs. And maybe you've never posted 2:12:57.120 --> 2:13:01.040 anything identifiable on Twitter, but if you're a link to 2:13:01.120 --> 2:13:04.240 your Twitter account on Reddit, or are you in a 2:13:04.240 --> 2:13:06.640 big discord and you shared one of your own posts 2:13:06.640 --> 2:13:08.560 with your friends in there, like hey look at this 2:13:08.640 --> 2:13:11.560 bangor tweet I'm going viral. And I say both of 2:13:11.560 --> 2:13:15.160 those specifically because both of those are specific mistakes that 2:13:15.240 --> 2:13:18.120 I have seen people make that were for me a 2:13:18.240 --> 2:13:22.320 crucial link between two accounts that connected the dots to 2:13:22.320 --> 2:13:26.200 figure out who they were. Use two factor authentication, use 2:13:26.240 --> 2:13:30.160 a password manager, use complex passwords, never recycle a password. 2:13:30.960 --> 2:13:34.120 Check databases like have I been poned? See what's been 2:13:34.200 --> 2:13:37.160 leaked about you? And some of that data is out 2:13:37.160 --> 2:13:39.960 of your control now, but it's out there and you 2:13:40.000 --> 2:13:42.760 can't call it back. But you can change all of 2:13:42.800 --> 2:13:46.080 your passwords today. You can download a password manager and 2:13:46.200 --> 2:13:48.640 change all of your passwords today, and all of your 2:13:48.680 --> 2:13:51.200 passwords should be something different from one another. I'm going 2:13:51.240 --> 2:13:54.480 to say it again, change all your passwords. Stop using 2:13:54.480 --> 2:13:58.400 your dog's name as your password for everything. It was hard, 2:13:58.560 --> 2:14:01.800 but I did it, okay. And when you're doing this 2:14:01.880 --> 2:14:05.080 digital hygiene check, you know you're googling yourself, you're checking 2:14:05.120 --> 2:14:08.240 these breach databases. One of the things you're going to 2:14:08.280 --> 2:14:12.800 find is your address, your email address, and your phone number, 2:14:13.040 --> 2:14:16.440 and your parents' names and your parents' address. All of 2:14:16.480 --> 2:14:19.480 these pieces of what you thought were personal private information. 2:14:20.280 --> 2:14:23.520 They are bought and sold to data brokers, and these 2:14:23.600 --> 2:14:26.480 data brokers put them online on sites that people can 2:14:26.560 --> 2:14:30.960 pay to access. Feel like people Finder, True people Search, 2:14:31.120 --> 2:14:33.720 White Pages. There's hundreds of them. 2:14:34.240 --> 2:14:34.520 Now. 2:14:34.760 --> 2:14:37.360 By law, all of these sites have to have a 2:14:37.400 --> 2:14:39.720 link on them somewhere where you can ask them to 2:14:39.760 --> 2:14:42.960 delete your information. Some of them make it kind of hard, 2:14:43.360 --> 2:14:45.600 and it may take weeks for them to actually honor 2:14:45.600 --> 2:14:49.240 the request, and you may have to follow up. But theoretically, 2:14:49.920 --> 2:14:53.840 if they're operating legally, you do have the ability to 2:14:54.080 --> 2:14:57.880 manually clean up how much of your personal information comes 2:14:57.920 --> 2:15:01.000 up from these data brokers. But I'll be honest with you, 2:15:01.800 --> 2:15:05.160 it's whack a mole. You could spend one afternoon a 2:15:05.160 --> 2:15:07.360 week for the rest of your life making opt out 2:15:07.360 --> 2:15:09.720 requests and following up on them and checking back to 2:15:09.760 --> 2:15:10.879 make sure it's really gone. 2:15:11.280 --> 2:15:12.240 You can do that. 2:15:12.800 --> 2:15:13.680 I used to do that. 2:15:14.320 --> 2:15:16.320 But there are also services that will do it for 2:15:16.360 --> 2:15:18.560 you for a fee. I think there may be an 2:15:18.600 --> 2:15:22.080 episode in the pipeline examining that particular ecosystem and some 2:15:22.120 --> 2:15:24.640 more details. So I won't go into the pros and 2:15:24.680 --> 2:15:27.720 cons of different services that exist, but if that's something 2:15:27.760 --> 2:15:30.920 you're interested in paying for, do some research about it 2:15:30.920 --> 2:15:33.880 before you put your money down. But at the end 2:15:33.920 --> 2:15:36.640 of the day, I just want you to remember you 2:15:36.720 --> 2:15:40.680 can't solve this whole problem. That might sound like a 2:15:40.680 --> 2:15:44.760 defeatist message, but I think it's healthy. I'm not saying 2:15:44.880 --> 2:15:48.560 it's hopeless. I'm saying you have to spend your energy 2:15:48.600 --> 2:15:51.720 where it counts. People ask me all the time, you know, 2:15:51.800 --> 2:15:54.440 are you worried about this or that specific threat? And 2:15:55.120 --> 2:15:58.320 the answer is yeah, probably, Yeah, of course I'm worried. 2:15:59.200 --> 2:16:02.440 But you can't let that fear overwhelmed you. You know, 2:16:02.520 --> 2:16:05.040 if I get fixated on the existence of threats that 2:16:05.440 --> 2:16:09.640 are outside of my control, I'll just freak out, and 2:16:09.640 --> 2:16:12.720 that makes me less capable of focusing on mitigating the 2:16:12.760 --> 2:16:17.120 threats that are within my control. So don't put blinders on, 2:16:17.200 --> 2:16:20.800 don't lie to yourself. You know, be realistic, but don't 2:16:20.800 --> 2:16:23.520 wear yourself out worrying about things that are so far 2:16:23.560 --> 2:16:26.040 out of your control that all you have is fear. 2:16:27.080 --> 2:16:32.440 So today, now take a deep breath, delete your MySpace 2:16:32.440 --> 2:16:35.600 account and talk to your mom about setting all her 2:16:35.600 --> 2:16:37.360 old Facebook pictures to private. 2:16:57.879 --> 2:17:01.640 What's pew pew in my pew ows? This is Robert 2:17:01.680 --> 2:17:04.959 Evans and it could happen here? A podcast about it 2:17:05.080 --> 2:17:08.360 happening here? As it seems to be more every week 2:17:08.760 --> 2:17:11.360 and when things get worse, one thing that a lot 2:17:11.360 --> 2:17:14.119 of folks start talking about is should I buy a gun? 2:17:14.360 --> 2:17:17.440 And obviously this is a fraught question and the only 2:17:17.480 --> 2:17:20.360 responsible answers to it are very complicated. And so to 2:17:20.400 --> 2:17:24.360 talk over some very complicated answers, we've got James Stout 2:17:25.000 --> 2:17:27.800 and we have in the audience with us the great 2:17:27.879 --> 2:17:31.520 Carl Casarta, Carl of en Range TV. Thank you for 2:17:31.600 --> 2:17:35.680 coming on to be our resident firearms expert in this 2:17:35.760 --> 2:17:38.720 podcast where we try not to be deeply irresponsible. 2:17:38.920 --> 2:17:40.120 Yeah, thank you for having me on. 2:17:40.200 --> 2:17:42.199 It's always a pleasure to come back to the show, 2:17:42.360 --> 2:17:45.040 and people always ask for more collabs, and here we are, 2:17:45.080 --> 2:17:47.800 but on a very important topic. And yes, Billy courtion 2:17:47.840 --> 2:17:49.120 I have is now is when do you change the 2:17:49.200 --> 2:17:50.160 name of the podcast too? 2:17:50.200 --> 2:17:50.360 Oh? 2:17:50.400 --> 2:17:54.400 No, it's happening here. We're talking with the marketing people. 2:17:55.040 --> 2:17:56.160 It done happened here. 2:17:57.720 --> 2:18:00.880 Oh shit, it's happening again. It's been happening here. 2:18:01.480 --> 2:18:05.039 Yeah, here, it is here now right in this moment. 2:18:06.760 --> 2:18:08.080 Be here now it. 2:18:09.360 --> 2:18:11.680 Yeah, we got to work out which one seo's best. 2:18:11.680 --> 2:18:14.320 But we're on it, Carl, don't worry. We're working on it, 2:18:14.800 --> 2:18:16.640 so as I think both of you know, but maybe 2:18:16.640 --> 2:18:20.280 listeners don't. Gun sales typically saw before elections as to 2:18:20.440 --> 2:18:24.360 ammunition purchases. People are afraid of gun bands has been 2:18:24.360 --> 2:18:28.240 traditionally one reason why, and the firearms industry is not 2:18:28.280 --> 2:18:31.480 afraid of hyping those up to increase sales in election years, 2:18:31.640 --> 2:18:35.240 and normally prices increase in line with demand. Like if 2:18:35.240 --> 2:18:37.040 you go back to November twenty twenty and look at 2:18:37.080 --> 2:18:39.520 the prices of ammunition and guns compared to now, you'll 2:18:39.560 --> 2:18:42.240 see how much incredibly high they were. That was for 2:18:42.240 --> 2:18:45.480 a number of reasons. But considering inflation, gun prices are 2:18:45.520 --> 2:18:46.680 pretty low right now. 2:18:47.200 --> 2:18:50.200 You know that is kind of a recurrent thing. For 2:18:50.240 --> 2:18:54.160 the most part, is that while everything else gets more expensive, 2:18:54.240 --> 2:18:57.000 television and firearms remain affordable. 2:18:57.120 --> 2:19:00.320 Yeah, gone gone to the point where they are more 2:19:00.360 --> 2:19:03.240 affordable than they've ever been. Uh huh, Yeah, they really 2:19:03.240 --> 2:19:06.039 are Air fifteens or I used to talk about this 2:19:06.080 --> 2:19:09.039 on air fifteens are essentially cord wood and you can 2:19:09.080 --> 2:19:11.600 get a fully fled good to go air fifteen now 2:19:11.600 --> 2:19:13.880 for like four to five hundred bucks, to the epistols 2:19:13.879 --> 2:19:15.240 for two hundred and fifty bucks. 2:19:15.320 --> 2:19:17.800 Yeah, the prices on guns are like through the floor. 2:19:17.959 --> 2:19:21.160 And yeah, it's interesting to note that, Like, if you 2:19:21.200 --> 2:19:24.280 are a gun manufacturer, a firearms dealer, even if you 2:19:24.320 --> 2:19:27.320 don't hype elections, it would be unintelligent of you to 2:19:27.400 --> 2:19:30.360 not prep for elections because they're so consistently Yeah, the 2:19:30.480 --> 2:19:31.680 Christmas of gun sales. 2:19:31.720 --> 2:19:33.480 So this is an instance in which we didn't see that. 2:19:33.560 --> 2:19:34.680 It's it's kind of interesting. 2:19:34.879 --> 2:19:37.080 I think there's an element because obviously when we talk 2:19:37.280 --> 2:19:39.200 I think to people who are not into guns and 2:19:39.240 --> 2:19:41.960 talk about how cheap guns have gotten, they're like, well, 2:19:41.959 --> 2:19:45.120 that's very bad, and there's definitely downsides to that. But 2:19:45.160 --> 2:19:47.400 an upside of that is it does kind of suggest 2:19:47.480 --> 2:19:51.440 we are not seeing the degree of panicked hoarding for 2:19:51.520 --> 2:19:54.119 a civil war that we have seen at previous points 2:19:54.160 --> 2:19:58.039 when gun prices were not as as cratered and AMMO 2:19:58.160 --> 2:20:01.120 prices were a lot higher, and ammovilla the availability was 2:20:01.120 --> 2:20:03.400 a lot lower. Like in some ways that's kind of 2:20:03.440 --> 2:20:04.800 an optimistic sign. 2:20:04.680 --> 2:20:06.640 Yeah, or the dark side of that is the traditional 2:20:06.840 --> 2:20:10.279 prepper air quote is so saturated in guns and ammunition. 2:20:09.920 --> 2:20:12.280 Right, but they don't even need another one, right. 2:20:12.440 --> 2:20:14.520 Well, that's I think that is where a lot of 2:20:14.560 --> 2:20:15.119 people are. 2:20:15.440 --> 2:20:15.680 Yeah. 2:20:17.040 --> 2:20:21.480 Also, like capacity really increased in twenty twenty, and I 2:20:21.480 --> 2:20:24.440 think they've been pumping out Like it's interesting to look 2:20:24.480 --> 2:20:26.600 at like the cost of nine millimeters and five five 2:20:26.680 --> 2:20:29.160 six ammunition, which if you're not familiar, are like the 2:20:29.200 --> 2:20:33.480 most commonly used defensive ammunition rounds compared to more niche 2:20:33.520 --> 2:20:36.360 stuff like that hasn't gone down as much if you're 2:20:36.400 --> 2:20:39.240 trying to get three hundred wisdom or something. 2:20:39.480 --> 2:20:41.280 The funny thing that, yeah, five five six and nine 2:20:41.320 --> 2:20:44.520 milimeters both to defensively add well is just recreationally are 2:20:44.560 --> 2:20:45.760 the most common ammunition. 2:20:45.959 --> 2:20:46.800 Yeah, by far. 2:20:47.320 --> 2:20:49.080 And some of the weird old stuff I like to shoot, 2:20:49.080 --> 2:20:51.800 like percussion caps for percussion revolvers. You can't find that 2:20:51.879 --> 2:20:54.000 stuff to save your life. That's those through the roof 2:20:54.040 --> 2:20:58.000 and expensive. So yeah, they've literally just bunkered down. Cook 2:20:58.520 --> 2:21:01.480 intent there and are make five six a nine millimeters 2:21:01.520 --> 2:21:02.360 because that's where the. 2:21:02.320 --> 2:21:03.920 Demand is and will continue to be. 2:21:04.160 --> 2:21:07.720 Yeah, I can't find you can't see it. I have 2:21:07.800 --> 2:21:09.879 a little reloading set up here. I can't find shot 2:21:09.879 --> 2:21:12.400 gun primus or send powders anyway. 2:21:12.520 --> 2:21:14.600 Now, and this is going to be a problem because 2:21:14.600 --> 2:21:17.199 if we have another Cowboys and Aliens kind of situation, 2:21:17.320 --> 2:21:18.879 what are we going to use? You know, what is 2:21:18.920 --> 2:21:21.800 Harrison Ford going to use to save us? Anyway? Nobody 2:21:21.840 --> 2:21:23.600 saw that movie? Why am I making that joke? 2:21:24.080 --> 2:21:27.840 Let me know, I've got a good stashion. We're all 2:21:27.840 --> 2:21:30.080 going to be leaning heavily on carl. 2:21:31.640 --> 2:21:32.920 Call for all humanity. 2:21:33.240 --> 2:21:34.960 So I think we've gotten a little bit ahead of 2:21:34.959 --> 2:21:37.040 our skis here. We should we should start by talking, 2:21:37.360 --> 2:21:39.600 because again, I think we've all seen a lot of 2:21:39.640 --> 2:21:41.400 people being like, well, I guess I should get a 2:21:41.440 --> 2:21:44.520 gun now, as in the wake of Trump's victory. And 2:21:44.600 --> 2:21:47.440 I think the first caveat we should give everyone is like, 2:21:47.600 --> 2:21:50.400 if you are reacting in a way that is totally 2:21:50.400 --> 2:21:53.400 reasonable to this news being depressed, right, if you're somebody 2:21:53.400 --> 2:21:57.240 who deals with suicidal ideation, if you have been spiraling lately, 2:21:57.320 --> 2:22:00.280 if you have been thinking about self harm. If you 2:22:00.320 --> 2:22:03.320 are just not in a stable mental place, and especially 2:22:03.360 --> 2:22:05.600 if you have no experience with firearms and are not 2:22:05.640 --> 2:22:08.760 in a stable mental place, don't go rush to pick 2:22:08.800 --> 2:22:11.880 one up now. Look for one thing. I assure you 2:22:11.920 --> 2:22:14.320 they will be available in the future. They are not 2:22:14.360 --> 2:22:16.440 gonna get harder to buy. 2:22:17.080 --> 2:22:18.920 No, you know. It mights be of a line from 2:22:18.959 --> 2:22:20.080 the movie We. 2:22:19.920 --> 2:22:22.200 Were Soldiers, which is actually a pretty pretty good movie 2:22:22.640 --> 2:22:24.480 speaking oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a lot of fun. 2:22:24.600 --> 2:22:25.840 Not a Gibson. 2:22:25.879 --> 2:22:27.840 It was pretty good, And there's a scene where like 2:22:27.840 --> 2:22:31.400 the old hardened soldier from Korea World War two in 2:22:31.440 --> 2:22:33.600 Korea gets the Vietnam and he's like, he's just got 2:22:33.600 --> 2:22:35.720 a pistol, and like everyone's around him saying don't you 2:22:35.720 --> 2:22:37.320 want an M sixteen? He goes, don't worry, There'll be 2:22:37.360 --> 2:22:39.800 plenty of those laying around if I need one. So right, 2:22:40.280 --> 2:22:41.720 kind of that's where we're at in this country. 2:22:41.760 --> 2:22:44.400 Don't worry, There'll be plenty laying around if you need one. Yeah. 2:22:44.480 --> 2:22:47.480 Yeah, we are not entering a period where that's you know, 2:22:47.680 --> 2:22:49.960 I think there are some specific worries where there may 2:22:49.959 --> 2:22:52.840 be attempts to restrict specific groups from arming themselves. But 2:22:52.920 --> 2:22:56.040 even so, I wouldn't say that elevates it above a threat. 2:22:56.120 --> 2:22:59.760 If you are dealing with suicidal ideation, having a gun 2:22:59.879 --> 2:23:03.320 is is not a talisman, as our friend tactical girlfriend 2:23:03.760 --> 2:23:06.480 often brings up, and you shouldn't treat it as one. 2:23:06.480 --> 2:23:08.520 And part of what that means is that, like, you 2:23:08.600 --> 2:23:11.879 have to model like the threat that you're facing, right 2:23:11.920 --> 2:23:14.640 and if you are not in immediate danger, if nobody 2:23:14.680 --> 2:23:17.760 is threatening to kill you specifically, you know, then that 2:23:17.840 --> 2:23:21.200 may not be the safest thing for you, right and particularly, 2:23:21.240 --> 2:23:23.480 I think the other side of it that Carl, you 2:23:23.560 --> 2:23:25.360 are much more qualified to talk about with than me, 2:23:25.440 --> 2:23:27.280 is that if you are going to buy a firearm, 2:23:27.360 --> 2:23:29.000 if you want that to be a thing that can 2:23:29.040 --> 2:23:32.600 actually protect you in a situation where you are in danger, 2:23:32.600 --> 2:23:36.119 where someone is threatening your life, you have to train 2:23:36.240 --> 2:23:36.480 with it. 2:23:36.760 --> 2:23:37.000 Yeah. 2:23:37.120 --> 2:23:39.520 No, absolutely, I think that not to make to make 2:23:39.600 --> 2:23:41.080 light of that at all with that little joke about 2:23:41.120 --> 2:23:43.480 that movie, but the reality is we as people humans 2:23:43.520 --> 2:23:46.000 in general, all of us are bad at threat modeling. 2:23:46.200 --> 2:23:48.880 And that's not to say that the perceived threat that 2:23:48.920 --> 2:23:51.480 we're seeing with the results isn't real. Yeah, I think 2:23:51.520 --> 2:23:55.280 it is, But that said at the moment, if you're 2:23:55.320 --> 2:23:57.640 dealing with some of those issues like you mentioned, or 2:23:57.720 --> 2:24:00.640 the living situation you're aund, or even the community around right, 2:24:00.760 --> 2:24:04.160 isn't one in which a firearm laying around is particularly safe. 2:24:04.480 --> 2:24:07.520 Could mean that you're actually inducing more threat and risk 2:24:07.600 --> 2:24:10.000 to yourself than what might come in two years. So 2:24:10.360 --> 2:24:12.600 that is something we have to think about very carefully. 2:24:12.840 --> 2:24:15.440 Can I possess this responsibly? Do I know how to 2:24:15.520 --> 2:24:18.160 use it responsibly? Am I in a place not only 2:24:18.200 --> 2:24:20.640 in my living situation, but my mental state that possessing 2:24:20.680 --> 2:24:23.640 this very quick and easy to use lethal device is 2:24:23.720 --> 2:24:26.240 safe to have around? Those are questions you should ask 2:24:26.320 --> 2:24:28.359 first before worrying about tomorrow. 2:24:29.040 --> 2:24:31.920 Right, Yeah, I mean maybe we should address like a 2:24:31.959 --> 2:24:33.960 couple of things that Kyle said right off the bat, 2:24:34.000 --> 2:24:37.800 Like you said having a firearm lying around, right, One 2:24:37.840 --> 2:24:39.840 thing that we should address is like, I know I 2:24:39.920 --> 2:24:43.039 recently purchased a new gun safe, but like if you 2:24:43.120 --> 2:24:46.080 have ex budget to buy a gun. Robert also mentioned 2:24:46.120 --> 2:24:49.520 that without training, your liability with the gun. Right, maybe 2:24:49.600 --> 2:24:52.879 we can break down if you have one thousand dollars, 2:24:53.160 --> 2:24:55.119 you don't need to go out and spend a thousand 2:24:55.200 --> 2:24:57.280 dollars on your gun. Right, perhaps it would be better 2:24:57.680 --> 2:24:59.640 to save some of that money and put it towards 2:24:59.680 --> 2:25:02.440 other things. I think it might make sense to just 2:25:02.560 --> 2:25:05.840 break those down for people in case they're not familiar. 2:25:06.280 --> 2:25:07.720 Yeah, I think that that might be a good place 2:25:07.760 --> 2:25:10.600 to start. Is if you decide number one, I'm in 2:25:10.640 --> 2:25:14.520 an emotionally stable place. I either have some specific threats 2:25:14.600 --> 2:25:16.640 or I want to be prepared for a future where 2:25:16.640 --> 2:25:19.200 those threats are more likely. And let's start with a 2:25:19.200 --> 2:25:21.800 budget of one thousand dollars, right, And you know this 2:25:21.840 --> 2:25:23.680 is one of the there's going to be people who 2:25:23.760 --> 2:25:25.920 can't afford a budget of one thousand dollars and that's 2:25:26.120 --> 2:25:28.320 very unfortunate. But this is one of those things that 2:25:28.440 --> 2:25:32.000 like isn't fair, right, Like guns cost money. Not everyone 2:25:32.280 --> 2:25:35.640 has disposable income. But one thousand dollars I think is 2:25:35.680 --> 2:25:38.200 a reasonable floor for not just acquiring a firearm, but 2:25:38.280 --> 2:25:40.680 like the things you need to be able to start 2:25:40.720 --> 2:25:44.039 building proficiency with. It's like, let's talk about that car, 2:25:44.160 --> 2:25:46.320 Like what would you do would you advise someone with 2:25:46.360 --> 2:25:49.560 a grand who is looking into getting into shooting and 2:25:49.600 --> 2:25:52.840 also being set up to potentially defend themselves if they 2:25:52.879 --> 2:25:53.240 need to. 2:25:53.760 --> 2:25:54.560 Right, So this this. 2:25:54.720 --> 2:25:57.600 Well, it's such a nuanced question and answer because there's 2:25:57.640 --> 2:26:00.520 so many variabilities there, one of which is you have 2:26:00.560 --> 2:26:02.080 to understand the living situation you in. 2:26:02.200 --> 2:26:04.400 Are you living in a place that is solely your own? 2:26:04.480 --> 2:26:07.120 Do you live with roommates, do you have children and 2:26:07.120 --> 2:26:07.720 your parents? 2:26:07.840 --> 2:26:11.000 I mean, like these things all come into the equation 2:26:11.160 --> 2:26:13.920 about how well can you secure this thing should you 2:26:13.959 --> 2:26:16.600 acquire it? And so that comes up to do you 2:26:16.640 --> 2:26:18.600 need a full bolt into the wall safe? Do you 2:26:18.640 --> 2:26:21.840 need something that is locked with cable underneath the bed 2:26:21.879 --> 2:26:25.400 that still is reasonably difficult to get into but is 2:26:25.560 --> 2:26:28.000 accessible otherwise? Do you have a situation in which you're 2:26:28.000 --> 2:26:30.320 the only one that could access this and therefore you're 2:26:30.320 --> 2:26:32.400 not worried about that? So the first thing you have 2:26:32.440 --> 2:26:34.959 to think about is, though I'm taken possession of responsibility 2:26:35.000 --> 2:26:37.959 of this, it is a lethal weapon, what am I 2:26:38.040 --> 2:26:40.080 going to do to make sure that that doesn't fall 2:26:40.080 --> 2:26:42.200 into the wrong hands? Whether there are people that live 2:26:42.240 --> 2:26:45.320 within your own structure or outside of it should something 2:26:45.360 --> 2:26:47.720 go awright, So you have to consider that. So right 2:26:47.760 --> 2:26:49.959 off the bat is what are the situation I'm in 2:26:50.160 --> 2:26:52.280 and what are the things I need to consider to 2:26:52.280 --> 2:26:55.600 make sure this doesn't leak out of my control, because 2:26:55.720 --> 2:26:57.640 we've seen in so many instances, especially some of the 2:26:57.680 --> 2:26:59.720 horrible spree shootings and such, in which is not the 2:26:59.760 --> 2:27:02.120 person to possess the gun, but someone around them that 2:27:02.160 --> 2:27:03.920 took it from them and used it for them. Absolutely, 2:27:03.959 --> 2:27:07.120 And that's because it wasn't stored well. And so that's 2:27:07.200 --> 2:27:09.240 number one. So you're going to think about one, are 2:27:09.280 --> 2:27:11.800 you getting a small a pithol or a long arm? 2:27:11.800 --> 2:27:13.720 And that's a discussion that we had too, but those 2:27:13.720 --> 2:27:15.959 two equate. And then depending on which one of those 2:27:16.000 --> 2:27:19.200 two you're acquiring determines the kind of safe storage requirements 2:27:19.200 --> 2:27:22.879 that also aligned with your current living situation. Of course, 2:27:22.920 --> 2:27:25.040 the best thing is a safe bolted to the floor 2:27:25.040 --> 2:27:27.119 that only you can get into. But that's not viable 2:27:27.160 --> 2:27:27.720 for everyone. 2:27:28.040 --> 2:27:32.000 Yeah, right, but it's something right yeah, Yeah. What comes 2:27:32.040 --> 2:27:33.880 along with that is you also, this is going to 2:27:33.879 --> 2:27:36.160 be true at every stage of this process, you need 2:27:36.160 --> 2:27:39.120 to know the laws of your state and maybe even 2:27:39.160 --> 2:27:42.120 your local area. Right Like in Oregon we have very 2:27:42.160 --> 2:27:45.200 strict safe storage laws, right Like, you can be held 2:27:45.200 --> 2:27:47.720 accountable to a higher degree in this state if you 2:27:47.720 --> 2:27:50.560 don't secure a weapon and someone gets access to it 2:27:50.840 --> 2:27:52.960 right now. Obviously, if you have a safe and someone 2:27:53.080 --> 2:27:55.440 drills into your safe, you're not liable, right like you 2:27:55.480 --> 2:27:58.640 took the actions you could to stop them from being 2:27:58.680 --> 2:28:01.720 able to get to your firearms. There's not an expectation 2:28:01.840 --> 2:28:04.879 that you have a fortress of solitude or whatever, but 2:28:04.959 --> 2:28:08.320 you have to have taken reasonable steps to lock them away, right, 2:28:08.840 --> 2:28:10.680 And you know that's going to be different. A lot 2:28:10.720 --> 2:28:13.320 of states have absolutely no requirements whatsoever, but you need 2:28:13.360 --> 2:28:16.680 to be aware of what your local legal situation is. 2:28:16.720 --> 2:28:18.879 Yeah, I appreciate you bringing that to the table because myself, 2:28:19.000 --> 2:28:21.240 living in Arizona, we have no such rules, and so. 2:28:21.440 --> 2:28:23.600 I can essentially you can just keep them on the floor. 2:28:24.800 --> 2:28:27.080 I could stab them in my front yard, right I'm 2:28:27.080 --> 2:28:28.440 like to put him out in the yard. 2:28:28.440 --> 2:28:29.680 We'll see. I had extra rs. 2:28:29.720 --> 2:28:31.680 I use him to make a fence cheaper than would 2:28:31.760 --> 2:28:34.720 right now, literally cold would now. 2:28:35.560 --> 2:28:37.480 So the thing about that is this is again, these 2:28:37.800 --> 2:28:40.040 things get more and more complicated over time. But we 2:28:40.040 --> 2:28:43.280 don't want to make this conversation impenetrable. But like, the 2:28:43.400 --> 2:28:46.280 kind of safe you acquire is important too, and this 2:28:46.320 --> 2:28:48.080 is that's a deeper topic than we could ever do 2:28:48.120 --> 2:28:50.760 in one video. I'm gonna go ahead and just dovetail 2:28:50.800 --> 2:28:53.200 out to a friend of mine, Devian Olaf. He has 2:28:53.240 --> 2:28:56.440 a channel he does a lot of video work about 2:28:56.560 --> 2:28:58.640 gun safe and which ones are good or bad. But 2:28:58.760 --> 2:29:01.080 let's just say the chief ninety dollars thing with the 2:29:01.080 --> 2:29:02.920 cylindrical key lock, isn't it. 2:29:03.200 --> 2:29:04.520 So you've got to be a little better than that. 2:29:04.640 --> 2:29:06.160 So I would ask the me, let's go with costs 2:29:06.560 --> 2:29:07.000 you're buying. 2:29:07.120 --> 2:29:09.760 Let's say in air fifteen, you're probably going to need 2:29:09.800 --> 2:29:12.320 to spend and I'm guessing here around two hundred fifty 2:29:12.360 --> 2:29:14.560 dollars for a safe that's actually worth a dam. 2:29:14.879 --> 2:29:18.000 Yeah, yeah, it's about what I spent recently for little 2:29:18.080 --> 2:29:22.800 handguns safe. Yeah, so's let's build on that. Right, Let's 2:29:22.840 --> 2:29:25.080 say you've decided that you want a gun and that 2:29:25.160 --> 2:29:27.880 it's safe for you to have a gun. I think, Yeah, 2:29:27.920 --> 2:29:30.160 the first thing you ought to prioritize is making sure 2:29:30.200 --> 2:29:32.400 that no one who for whom it is not safe 2:29:32.480 --> 2:29:35.880 gets that gun, which we've addressed right. The second thing 2:29:35.920 --> 2:29:39.360 that you need to prioritize is that you could use 2:29:39.400 --> 2:29:43.760 that gun safely and like you're another liability every time, Yeah, 2:29:43.800 --> 2:29:46.119 that you pick up and load that gun, right. 2:29:46.600 --> 2:29:49.760 Yes, And part of that is in and maybe I 2:29:49.760 --> 2:29:51.880 will have different opinions on this, but I think we're 2:29:51.920 --> 2:29:56.400 probably sympatico picking the right type of firearm. I see 2:29:56.440 --> 2:29:58.680 a lot of people saying, I am worried I'm going 2:29:58.720 --> 2:30:01.240 to get attacked. You know, I've been I've gotten a 2:30:01.240 --> 2:30:04.640 death threat. You know, I'm scared, particularly of this group 2:30:04.680 --> 2:30:06.880 of you know, Nazis or whatever. So I'm going to 2:30:06.920 --> 2:30:09.280 buy a handgun. And I will tell you right now, 2:30:09.360 --> 2:30:12.480 my opinion is that if you are looking for a 2:30:12.520 --> 2:30:16.480 self defense weapon, a handgun probably shouldn't be what you 2:30:16.520 --> 2:30:18.960 pick unless you are looking to carry a gun. 2:30:19.200 --> 2:30:21.160 Yeah. No, that's a good quote, right. 2:30:21.400 --> 2:30:24.120 I carry a handgun because it's unwieldy to walk around 2:30:24.120 --> 2:30:25.480 with a fifty BMG. 2:30:26.080 --> 2:30:27.439 Yeah yeah, yeah, I cannot. 2:30:27.800 --> 2:30:30.600 I cannot take my ar with me in the street, right, 2:30:30.640 --> 2:30:31.879 so I keep a nine on me. 2:30:32.000 --> 2:30:33.480 You know, handguns are. 2:30:33.360 --> 2:30:37.800 The most difficult thing to use skillfully under distress and 2:30:37.879 --> 2:30:41.520 duress than any other firearm. And yes, above and beyond that, 2:30:41.920 --> 2:30:44.280 they are actually the least fact of it doing the 2:30:44.360 --> 2:30:46.080 job you think they're going to do than anything else. 2:30:46.400 --> 2:30:49.440 Yeah, yeah, they're a shocking number of people are shot 2:30:49.680 --> 2:30:52.120 way more times than you would expect they could survive 2:30:52.200 --> 2:30:55.359 with a handgun, right, Like that is just a reality 2:30:55.440 --> 2:30:57.560 of the way that they work, because they're much much 2:30:57.640 --> 2:31:00.920 less powerful than a rifle. And it's also like I 2:31:00.920 --> 2:31:02.520 had a friend a couple of years ago who bought 2:31:02.520 --> 2:31:05.120 a snubnose thirty eight, thinking, well, this is simple, I 2:31:05.120 --> 2:31:07.120 can't fuck it up. It's a good And I took 2:31:07.120 --> 2:31:10.440 her out and was like, I'm going to set up 2:31:10.440 --> 2:31:12.960 a ten foot target and we'll see how many times 2:31:12.959 --> 2:31:15.120 you can hit it with this gun. And she could 2:31:15.200 --> 2:31:17.879 not do it one out of five times. And then 2:31:17.959 --> 2:31:20.280 I brought out my glock and she was able to 2:31:20.320 --> 2:31:21.080 hit it every time. 2:31:21.240 --> 2:31:21.400 Right. 2:31:21.480 --> 2:31:24.320 And it's because one of those is a much easier 2:31:24.400 --> 2:31:28.039 weapon for somebody who is complete a complete novice to 2:31:28.160 --> 2:31:30.080 learn how to use functionally, right. And it's not the 2:31:30.080 --> 2:31:31.160 snubnose thirty eight. 2:31:31.400 --> 2:31:35.959 Yeah, in the roughest of most senses. Typically the smaller 2:31:36.120 --> 2:31:38.879 the gun is, the more a professionally you need to 2:31:38.879 --> 2:31:39.480 be to use. 2:31:39.400 --> 2:31:40.320 It, right. 2:31:40.800 --> 2:31:44.160 Yeah, And like with that in mind, you're responsible for 2:31:44.160 --> 2:31:47.680 every shot you fire, right training in self defense? What 2:31:48.200 --> 2:31:50.360 by fucking accident? Because you don't have to clean your 2:31:50.360 --> 2:31:53.040 gun or what have you. Every bullet that leaves that barrel, 2:31:53.360 --> 2:31:56.480 it's your fault and every one of theirs is potentially 2:31:56.520 --> 2:32:00.320 someone's life. So when you're thinking about buying a and 2:32:01.000 --> 2:32:04.240 you want to have something where you can a handle 2:32:04.280 --> 2:32:07.080 it safely and be discharging and know where that bullet's 2:32:07.080 --> 2:32:07.480 going to go. 2:32:08.160 --> 2:32:09.920 Yeah, So on that note, this has been asked for 2:32:09.959 --> 2:32:11.840 me many times, and we're talking about where all we 2:32:11.879 --> 2:32:13.600 are on the same page. It's like when someone asking 2:32:13.600 --> 2:32:15.280 me this question and it comes up more than you'd think. 2:32:16.040 --> 2:32:17.720 First of all, we're getting past the issue of like 2:32:17.800 --> 2:32:19.760 are you safe to own this and safe storage? So 2:32:19.800 --> 2:32:21.640 now we're at the point you are buying a gun, right, 2:32:21.680 --> 2:32:23.720 so you have to think, oh, what's the threat? 2:32:23.800 --> 2:32:24.640 Are we worried. 2:32:24.360 --> 2:32:26.960 About three years from now and the potential realities of 2:32:27.360 --> 2:32:30.520 a very caustic and dangerous political future. Are you worried 2:32:30.520 --> 2:32:33.039 about only home defense? Are you worried about your own 2:32:33.080 --> 2:32:36.080 self protection walking down the street, because obviously you're not 2:32:36.080 --> 2:32:38.040 going to be well, not obviously, but for the most part, 2:32:38.040 --> 2:32:39.680 you're not going to be carry an AR fifteen down 2:32:39.680 --> 2:32:42.959 the street. But if you are only worried about your castle, 2:32:43.120 --> 2:32:44.880 make a joke about castle doctor, and if you're only 2:32:44.920 --> 2:32:47.880 worried about your house, inside your house, there is no 2:32:47.959 --> 2:32:50.200 reason to be picking a pistol none whatsoever. 2:32:51.440 --> 2:32:53.200 Now, I will say that there's a number of folks 2:32:53.240 --> 2:32:55.440 in the lefty gun space who will say, so, just 2:32:55.480 --> 2:32:58.160 get an AR fifteen. That's not always going to be 2:32:58.160 --> 2:33:01.240 practical depending on your loss, right, Like, that is not 2:33:01.400 --> 2:33:05.279 something that we can say everyone will be able to do, right, yeah, 2:33:05.320 --> 2:33:08.160 but we can say there will be a non handgun 2:33:08.160 --> 2:33:10.680 option that will probably be a better fit for you. 2:33:10.959 --> 2:33:11.279 Yeah. 2:33:11.320 --> 2:33:13.120 Absolutely, And this is where we see a lot of 2:33:13.160 --> 2:33:15.360 people in the gun space. It's kind of weird, like 2:33:15.400 --> 2:33:19.080 cultural shifts in those zeitgeist what's the cool defensive thing 2:33:19.120 --> 2:33:21.720 of the time. But there's a lot to be said 2:33:22.280 --> 2:33:23.760 depending on what you think you're going. 2:33:23.640 --> 2:33:24.280 To have to shoot it. 2:33:24.320 --> 2:33:27.640 Hopefully never of course, but like, yeah, an AR fifteen 2:33:27.720 --> 2:33:30.000 does things like armour piercing in terms of kevlar and 2:33:30.080 --> 2:33:32.879 da da da da dah. But for home defense, it 2:33:32.959 --> 2:33:35.080 really still is kind of hard to go wrong with 2:33:35.080 --> 2:33:37.879 a shotgun in many instances, and that should not be ignored. 2:33:38.240 --> 2:33:39.600 You know what else should it be ignored? 2:33:39.760 --> 2:33:40.080 Huh? 2:33:40.120 --> 2:33:43.480 It's our obligation to pivot to advertisements about every fifteen 2:33:43.480 --> 2:33:44.360 minutes on this show. 2:33:55.280 --> 2:33:56.920 All right, we're back, Kyle. 2:33:56.959 --> 2:34:00.600 You've mentioned that you think a shotguns can be more 2:34:00.600 --> 2:34:03.800 effective than NOW fifteen especially. Another thing I would add 2:34:03.840 --> 2:34:06.880 is here, in a state like California, the laws regarding 2:34:07.400 --> 2:34:12.600 simulartomatic centifire rifles are incredibly confusing. It's extremely easy to 2:34:12.600 --> 2:34:14.920 buy something on Amazon and slap it on your gun 2:34:15.120 --> 2:34:16.320 and render it a felony. 2:34:16.400 --> 2:34:21.000 Yeah, I would generally say, like in most situations, an AR, 2:34:21.280 --> 2:34:23.280 if you're new to shooting, it's going to be easier 2:34:23.320 --> 2:34:26.800 to figure out. They're very simple, easy to upgrade and modify. 2:34:26.959 --> 2:34:30.400 But like, yeah, in California. In a state New York 2:34:30.480 --> 2:34:33.320 is similar, it's very easy to commit a felony with 2:34:33.360 --> 2:34:36.000 an AR fifteen and not know that you are. And 2:34:36.040 --> 2:34:37.800 you don't want to find out that your gun is 2:34:37.840 --> 2:34:40.240 a felony when you have to use it in self defense. 2:34:40.600 --> 2:34:40.880 Right. 2:34:41.360 --> 2:34:43.680 This is an instance in which the good old man again, 2:34:43.720 --> 2:34:45.480 I'm not trying to I'm not I'm not on team 2:34:45.520 --> 2:34:49.400 shotgun here, but when it comes to cross all state lines, 2:34:49.520 --> 2:34:51.760 I mean, sure, there's an exception somewhere, but for the 2:34:51.800 --> 2:34:56.840 most part, a manually pump activated shotgun, Yeah, is likely 2:34:56.879 --> 2:34:59.600 to not run a foul of the law anywhere. Additionally, 2:34:59.720 --> 2:35:01.720 through a good chance that if you were to and 2:35:01.720 --> 2:35:04.480 we have to consider all realities, there's a good chance 2:35:04.520 --> 2:35:06.480 that should you need to use it, that when you're 2:35:06.480 --> 2:35:09.160 in court trying to defend yourself for using this lethal weapon. 2:35:09.600 --> 2:35:14.360 A shotgun doesn't seem to evoke the same concerns, let's say, 2:35:14.640 --> 2:35:17.080 from courts and from judges that an ar might and yar. 2:35:17.280 --> 2:35:19.600 You know, regardless of how common they are and how 2:35:19.680 --> 2:35:23.440 much they proliferate society, there's still those scary rifles. A 2:35:23.480 --> 2:35:27.000 shotgun does not tend to evoke that same kind of response. 2:35:27.360 --> 2:35:31.160 It is most likely legal almost anywhere, and the diversity 2:35:31.160 --> 2:35:33.720 of ammunition you can use in it really bridges the 2:35:33.720 --> 2:35:36.760 gap from one yard to one hundred yards or more. 2:35:37.240 --> 2:35:38.680 But a lot of people that are new to guns, 2:35:38.680 --> 2:35:40.920 we'll think, well, shotgun don't need to aim. That is incorrect. 2:35:40.959 --> 2:35:42.800 Shotguns need to be aimed as much as any other 2:35:42.840 --> 2:35:45.640 long arm. They're just very effective when they actually connect. 2:35:45.959 --> 2:35:49.840 Yeah, it's one of those I think because I do change, 2:35:50.120 --> 2:35:52.560 like what I am taking with me based on where 2:35:52.600 --> 2:35:56.280 I go, and like when I'm in California. I generally like, 2:35:56.320 --> 2:35:58.320 if I'm going camping or something, I'll make sure I 2:35:58.360 --> 2:36:01.000 have a twelve gage in the car, right, because I'm 2:36:01.040 --> 2:36:04.200 not going to try to get whatever this month's gun 2:36:04.280 --> 2:36:07.800 laws are, right, you know, like that's just not practical 2:36:07.840 --> 2:36:10.480 to me. That said, I think because there are a 2:36:10.600 --> 2:36:13.199 number of people who will be very frustrated us talking 2:36:13.200 --> 2:36:15.840 about shotguns. One thing that they are right about is 2:36:16.240 --> 2:36:19.720 there's a different type of training that's necessary with the shotgun, 2:36:19.760 --> 2:36:22.360 and they are in some ways more complicated to use 2:36:22.440 --> 2:36:25.120 than an AR in part because for every shot, well, 2:36:25.200 --> 2:36:27.920 unless it's a semi automatic, like for every shot you're 2:36:28.040 --> 2:36:31.760 pumping it, right, and like that, there's muscle memory that 2:36:31.800 --> 2:36:35.560 has to be built there. Right, it's harder, you know, 2:36:35.640 --> 2:36:37.560 maybe a little bit slower to get up to a 2:36:37.600 --> 2:36:39.880 level or at least you have to train differently with it. 2:36:40.000 --> 2:36:40.200 Right. 2:36:40.520 --> 2:36:42.320 The other thing about it is that like it loads 2:36:42.440 --> 2:36:45.400 very differently. You know, a shotgun is a completely different 2:36:45.480 --> 2:36:48.520 kind of ammunition than an AR has, which all goes 2:36:48.560 --> 2:36:51.000 back to the whole like you have to be willing 2:36:51.080 --> 2:36:53.480 to train with whatever it is you're going to use 2:36:54.200 --> 2:36:54.800 fair enough. 2:36:54.959 --> 2:36:59.160 Yeah, See, ideally, like if you're in this position of thinking, 2:36:59.240 --> 2:37:02.760 if you can find a friend or failing that, arrange 2:37:02.800 --> 2:37:06.840 that will allow you to try different guns. I think 2:37:07.120 --> 2:37:08.760 as a novice you're going to pick up if you've 2:37:08.760 --> 2:37:10.640 never shot a gun before. I probably wouldn't pick up 2:37:10.640 --> 2:37:13.640 a twelve googe shotgun and start peuing away because the 2:37:13.680 --> 2:37:16.640 recoil will be quite profound and notable to you. So 2:37:16.720 --> 2:37:18.600 don't start there. Start with something else. 2:37:19.160 --> 2:37:22.160 There's smaller shotguns at twenty gauge, yeah. 2:37:21.800 --> 2:37:24.440 And those are fine, especially if you're a smaller statute person. 2:37:24.480 --> 2:37:27.040 Even a twenty eight or sixteens are hard to probably 2:37:27.040 --> 2:37:30.480 buy defensive ammunition for. But I think if you can, 2:37:31.400 --> 2:37:34.039 when you begin that journey, like after the TV ball, 2:37:34.080 --> 2:37:36.120 say with Hanggouns, find one that fits your hand. You 2:37:36.160 --> 2:37:38.640 probably have no idea what fits you and feels good 2:37:38.720 --> 2:37:42.160 if you're just starting out. Yeah, finding someone who is 2:37:42.240 --> 2:37:46.119 local to you, ideally who has some experience who can 2:37:46.160 --> 2:37:48.760 help you along that process, I think, and someone who 2:37:48.800 --> 2:37:51.879 you trust, right Like I've been like I have to train. 2:37:52.080 --> 2:37:54.480 I have a concealed carry weapons permit in California. The 2:37:54.560 --> 2:37:57.280 last time I went to take a course, like from 2:37:57.320 --> 2:38:02.440 the outset, I got like xenophobe homophobia, like jokes that 2:38:02.600 --> 2:38:05.080 I guess the guy who was instructing the course thought 2:38:05.120 --> 2:38:07.600 that everyone was in on just like they made me 2:38:07.640 --> 2:38:11.480 feel unwelcome and I'm assist white guy. Yeah, but I 2:38:11.480 --> 2:38:13.920 think maybe we should address that, Like if you're thinking 2:38:13.959 --> 2:38:16.360 getting started, what kind of instruction should you look for? 2:38:16.920 --> 2:38:20.480 Where should you look for it? And like what would 2:38:20.560 --> 2:38:23.920 you recommend? Maybe other sources to Kyle, Like your YouTube 2:38:24.000 --> 2:38:25.520 channel has been a great resource for me. 2:38:26.840 --> 2:38:30.120 This is this is where we're in the firearms it's 2:38:30.440 --> 2:38:32.640 owning a thing doesn't make a community. So there's always 2:38:32.640 --> 2:38:35.039 a phrase the gun community. It's not a thing owning. 2:38:35.080 --> 2:38:37.040 Owning a thing doesn't make a community. A community is 2:38:37.080 --> 2:38:39.840 a group of people that bond together over mutual beliefs 2:38:40.040 --> 2:38:43.600 and hopefully care for one another. So there's no firearms community. 2:38:43.640 --> 2:38:46.080 But that's the broad scope of people that have been 2:38:46.120 --> 2:38:48.800 interested in the topic for the longest doration of time. 2:38:49.280 --> 2:38:51.959 Has been mostly succeeded to a group that we would 2:38:51.959 --> 2:38:54.840 not find ourselves aligned with or comfortable with being around. 2:38:54.920 --> 2:38:57.760 And so this is where the community building thing is real, 2:38:57.840 --> 2:39:00.400 because the more we build communities and we're hid in 2:39:00.480 --> 2:39:03.760 this regards in terms two alternative voices in the firearm space. 2:39:03.800 --> 2:39:06.359 But the more we build that community not only online 2:39:06.400 --> 2:39:09.640 but amongst one another, the more we're going to have safer, 2:39:10.080 --> 2:39:12.920 better spaces for us to work together to learn how 2:39:12.920 --> 2:39:14.920 to use these things safely and efficiently. 2:39:15.320 --> 2:39:16.280 And that is a challenge. 2:39:16.320 --> 2:39:18.760 If you walk in sight unseen to a place that 2:39:18.840 --> 2:39:22.520 is probably foreign to you in firearms land, sadly at 2:39:22.520 --> 2:39:24.480 this time point in time, is a pretty good chance 2:39:24.480 --> 2:39:27.240 it's not gonna be something you're gonna be comfortable with. 2:39:27.440 --> 2:39:29.560 Quite honestly, just like you mentioned James, like, it's gonna 2:39:29.600 --> 2:39:31.720 be that kind of stuff. There's probably gonna be Trump 2:39:31.760 --> 2:39:34.640 stuff on the wall, there's probably going you're probably gonna 2:39:34.640 --> 2:39:37.120 hear some jokes that are just jokes, but you know 2:39:37.120 --> 2:39:37.640 they're really not. 2:39:37.879 --> 2:39:40.160 Yeah, that's the kind of space that that's filled with. 2:39:40.200 --> 2:39:42.080 And so when people come and say, well, who can 2:39:42.080 --> 2:39:43.520 I go to to get this training with, I'm like, 2:39:43.760 --> 2:39:48.080 that's challenging. There's some options online, there's like Operation Blazing Sword, 2:39:48.120 --> 2:39:52.199 There's there's there's the Liberal Gun Club has some training 2:39:52.240 --> 2:39:55.240 options as well. But what's better is finding people and 2:39:55.320 --> 2:39:58.360 interconnecting with people of like mind around you. If you 2:39:58.440 --> 2:40:01.480 can and working together and then actually building a real 2:40:01.520 --> 2:40:04.360 community that isn't a gun community, and that's where we're 2:40:04.360 --> 2:40:06.160 going to find solace and the ability to get better 2:40:06.240 --> 2:40:09.480 with this stuff together. Not a great exactly a strong answer, 2:40:09.760 --> 2:40:12.000 but if the truth. But if you're going in, if 2:40:12.040 --> 2:40:16.440 you're going in just unhindered, you're going to expect it 2:40:16.440 --> 2:40:18.160 to be a place that you're probably not going to 2:40:18.160 --> 2:40:18.720 be happy with. 2:40:19.360 --> 2:40:19.600 Yeah. 2:40:19.680 --> 2:40:22.480 Yeah, and I think that's a really good point. I'd 2:40:22.480 --> 2:40:24.360 like you can we talk a little bit more about 2:40:25.080 --> 2:40:29.400 training options, like not just because you mentioned Operation Blazing Sword, 2:40:29.400 --> 2:40:31.360 I'd like to hear a little more about them, but 2:40:31.480 --> 2:40:34.720 also where people could go for like reading and videos 2:40:35.240 --> 2:40:38.400 in order to kind of find more information on how 2:40:38.440 --> 2:40:39.800 to develop proficiency. 2:40:40.000 --> 2:40:40.240 Yeah. 2:40:40.280 --> 2:40:42.959 So okay, So YouTube university doesn't teach you how to 2:40:42.959 --> 2:40:46.240 actually like effectively hit targets with something that stiffly that 2:40:46.680 --> 2:40:48.360 you can you can't. There's no way to learn that 2:40:48.400 --> 2:40:53.080 besides doing it. But in terms of general firearms understanding, 2:40:53.360 --> 2:40:55.760 learning some of the history, learning about how guns work, 2:40:56.120 --> 2:40:59.959 there are some YouTube resources out there. Tactical Girlfriend, you're 2:41:00.000 --> 2:41:03.080 already mentioned, has four years of a legacy of content 2:41:03.120 --> 2:41:05.080 on her site that a lot of it is focused 2:41:05.120 --> 2:41:08.720 on beginner style content. In fact, she just posted a playlist. 2:41:09.520 --> 2:41:11.520 He has kind of stopped making videos in general, she 2:41:11.560 --> 2:41:13.720 mentioned that a while back, but she still has her 2:41:13.720 --> 2:41:17.040 content online and she posted a playlist recently of all 2:41:17.080 --> 2:41:19.720 of her how to get going videos one oh one stuff, 2:41:19.920 --> 2:41:22.560 and that would kind of be where I'd start with. 2:41:22.760 --> 2:41:25.800 Yes, absolutely, my channel in range TV has some of that. 2:41:26.360 --> 2:41:27.840 I tend to focus a little bit on the more 2:41:27.959 --> 2:41:32.560 esoteric and like next level things, but that's not to 2:41:32.600 --> 2:41:34.400 say it's not there as well. So I'm not trying 2:41:34.400 --> 2:41:36.720 to sell promote, but I would actually say her playlist 2:41:36.760 --> 2:41:38.000 is going to be better than some of my own, 2:41:38.040 --> 2:41:40.119 although we have stuff like that on range TV as well. 2:41:40.600 --> 2:41:43.600 If you want to open up that dark boy called Reddit, 2:41:44.040 --> 2:41:46.520 the Liberal Gun Club has resources on it. If you 2:41:46.560 --> 2:41:48.880 go there, they have a list of people and local resources. 2:41:49.040 --> 2:41:51.600 You can also google the Liberal Gun Club. I'm not 2:41:51.640 --> 2:41:54.160 even trying to say anyone doing that is necessarily identifying 2:41:54.200 --> 2:41:57.800 as a liberal, but they have gathered lists of statewide 2:41:57.840 --> 2:42:00.879 resources as many as they can that are providing training 2:42:01.200 --> 2:42:03.560 in regional places. That would be a good place to start. 2:42:04.000 --> 2:42:06.520 Operation Blaeding Sword is a subset of that Blake. 2:42:06.560 --> 2:42:08.200 I'll I can. I pronounced them that day. 2:42:08.240 --> 2:42:10.520 Blake has been on my channel and you'll find him 2:42:10.520 --> 2:42:12.000 there in the Liberal. 2:42:11.760 --> 2:42:13.959 Gun Club listing. When I think of that, I would say, 2:42:14.000 --> 2:42:14.520 go to YouTube. 2:42:14.560 --> 2:42:17.120 Hit up Tactical Girlfriend, go to in Rey's TV if 2:42:17.160 --> 2:42:18.680 you want to see maybe not one on one but 2:42:18.760 --> 2:42:21.480 next level stuff, but a friendly space to you, and 2:42:21.520 --> 2:42:24.280 then check out the Liberal Gun Club best I can say, 2:42:24.560 --> 2:42:26.879 because they do have a list of resources that they're 2:42:27.000 --> 2:42:28.600 gathering across the country. 2:42:28.760 --> 2:42:32.240 Yeah, and I think one thing that Tactical Girlfriend talks 2:42:32.280 --> 2:42:35.400 about that is acuse because you're right, and I think 2:42:35.400 --> 2:42:37.160 this is an important point that, like, you have to 2:42:37.240 --> 2:42:40.120 spend time shooting, and you know that costs money in 2:42:40.240 --> 2:42:42.720 order to get better, But there is one thing that 2:42:42.760 --> 2:42:45.760 you can do that does not cost ongoing money to 2:42:45.800 --> 2:42:48.879 get better with a handgun. If you're again looking to 2:42:48.879 --> 2:42:51.199 carry a gun, which is dry fire training, right, which 2:42:51.240 --> 2:42:55.200 is a very useful process of building proficiency, you can 2:42:55.240 --> 2:42:56.800 do it. I mean you could do it every day 2:42:56.840 --> 2:42:59.000 if you want. It will help. It does not replace 2:42:59.240 --> 2:43:02.680 needing to go shoot right, but you can find guides. 2:43:02.760 --> 2:43:04.720 Tactical Girlfriend talks about it a lot, but you can 2:43:04.760 --> 2:43:07.520 find other guides online, and that is a way that 2:43:07.600 --> 2:43:10.920 you can kind of stretch your AMMO budget and gain 2:43:10.959 --> 2:43:12.120 additional proficiency. 2:43:12.720 --> 2:43:15.160 There are even products designed specifically for that. One of 2:43:15.200 --> 2:43:17.440 them popul Mind, and there are others like mantis X. 2:43:17.720 --> 2:43:19.720 And you make sure your gun is safely unloaded and 2:43:19.760 --> 2:43:22.000 your proficient with that part of it. You've put these 2:43:22.000 --> 2:43:24.199 devices in and you can actually fire. A dry fire 2:43:24.280 --> 2:43:26.520 is firing with no ammunition in the gun. Click at 2:43:26.560 --> 2:43:28.240 a target on the wall and it'll teach you things 2:43:28.280 --> 2:43:30.120 about like did you pull to the right, did you 2:43:30.160 --> 2:43:32.080 push to the list? Did you dip the gun? And 2:43:32.080 --> 2:43:33.920 those are very good products that you can use once 2:43:33.920 --> 2:43:36.199 you buy them. Gets more money, but you could train 2:43:36.240 --> 2:43:39.360 proficiently in a safe place without firing live ammunition and 2:43:39.440 --> 2:43:40.680 improve your skills quite a bit. 2:43:40.840 --> 2:43:41.240 That's good. 2:43:41.240 --> 2:43:41.879 Point yep. 2:43:42.000 --> 2:43:45.960 Yeah, I would say another organization I would plug his 2:43:46.160 --> 2:43:51.080 armed quality, especially if like LGBTQIA people a friends of mine, 2:43:51.160 --> 2:43:54.760 very nice people. Perhaps we should go back then to that, 2:43:54.840 --> 2:43:57.760 like Rubbitts mentioned dry firing, we'd meant, well, first I 2:43:57.760 --> 2:43:59.520 think we need to go to ads James. You're right, 2:43:59.560 --> 2:44:01.920 Rubbit should go back to Chumba Casino. 2:44:02.400 --> 2:44:04.760 Yeah, so dry fire at the wall and think of 2:44:04.840 --> 2:44:07.560 trump a casino or just download an operator from neural 2:44:07.600 --> 2:44:10.080 link that you got from Melong. Yep, that's right, that's right. 2:44:10.280 --> 2:44:12.560 Our primary sponsors a rain ship. 2:44:24.680 --> 2:44:28.920 All right, we're back. So we've had a discussion about training, 2:44:29.360 --> 2:44:31.840 safe storage, and a little bit about like what to 2:44:31.920 --> 2:44:34.800 look at firearms wise. But I want to go back 2:44:34.840 --> 2:44:38.640 to that third one because you are marketed at so 2:44:39.000 --> 2:44:41.840 heavily when you're trying to buy a firearm, right, and 2:44:42.240 --> 2:44:46.080 the likelihood of you getting misinformation. Right, we all know 2:44:46.640 --> 2:44:49.680 smaller statute people who have been given yeah as snubnose 2:44:49.760 --> 2:44:53.800 thirty eight a gun that's entirely inappropriate for them. Caw 2:44:53.920 --> 2:44:57.040 what like if you could maybe go through like each 2:44:57.200 --> 2:45:03.039 major category, right, if we do hanggun, shotgun, semi automatic rifle, 2:45:03.080 --> 2:45:06.680 maybe one that is compatible with ar band states, and 2:45:07.000 --> 2:45:10.480 one that's you know, yeah, you're in real America. 2:45:10.800 --> 2:45:13.480 There are some options like the ares SCR that are 2:45:13.480 --> 2:45:16.520 basically AR fifteen's that are a lot easier to keep 2:45:16.560 --> 2:45:19.040 in compliance in a state like California, but they are 2:45:19.080 --> 2:45:22.040 also more than twice as expensive as like a budget 2:45:22.280 --> 2:45:25.200 AR fifteen right, Like, which is not to say it's 2:45:25.240 --> 2:45:28.600 impossible to have a budget AR fifteen that is in 2:45:28.920 --> 2:45:32.000 comp lot in compliance with California law. It's just I 2:45:32.040 --> 2:45:34.400 am not going to take on the responsibility of telling 2:45:34.440 --> 2:45:37.160 you how to do that legally, because when I lived 2:45:37.160 --> 2:45:40.160 in California, I was only about eighty percent sure that 2:45:40.240 --> 2:45:41.920 I was in compliance. 2:45:41.360 --> 2:45:41.959 With the law. 2:45:42.440 --> 2:45:44.640 If you're in California, my advice would be to go 2:45:44.760 --> 2:45:48.000 to a shop and buy the gun complete. Yes, don't 2:45:48.040 --> 2:45:49.640 piece it together off the internet. 2:45:50.040 --> 2:45:51.040 That's good at good advice. 2:45:51.080 --> 2:45:52.720 Oh well, if you're a new gun owner, don't piece 2:45:52.720 --> 2:45:55.119 to get anything together because the knowledge to make something 2:45:55.160 --> 2:45:57.680 reliable that you've put together from bits and pieces is 2:45:57.800 --> 2:46:00.000 not a good idea. You want something that's got to 2:46:00.040 --> 2:46:01.920 I mean literally, you want something from a quote unquote 2:46:01.959 --> 2:46:04.279 reputable manufacturer but has a warranty. 2:46:04.560 --> 2:46:05.280 Like, let's just be that. 2:46:05.360 --> 2:46:07.840 Don't even start with trying to put something together. Yeah, yeah, 2:46:07.840 --> 2:46:09.560 so let's just go ahead and start with pistol. So 2:46:09.760 --> 2:46:11.760 the challenge there is like, of course, it would be 2:46:11.840 --> 2:46:13.440 very nice to be able to buy like four of them, 2:46:13.480 --> 2:46:15.720 because you can train with the twenty two and practice 2:46:15.760 --> 2:46:18.480 with this. But let's go with the constraint that we 2:46:18.480 --> 2:46:20.320 had earlier of this thousand dollars and you're going to 2:46:20.360 --> 2:46:22.840 buy a pistol and with it you plan to train, 2:46:23.280 --> 2:46:26.240 get better, be proficient, but also maybe have to use 2:46:26.280 --> 2:46:27.119 it for self defense. 2:46:27.440 --> 2:46:29.000 You really want to stick with a nine millimeter. 2:46:29.160 --> 2:46:31.040 I mean there are smaller guns like three eighties and 2:46:31.080 --> 2:46:33.440 such like that, but we're getting into specialist guns. Yeah, 2:46:33.680 --> 2:46:35.400 is what I'm going to say here across the board. 2:46:35.400 --> 2:46:37.160 When I recommend something, it's going to be the opposite 2:46:37.200 --> 2:46:39.320 of specialist. It's going to be the most bland, boring 2:46:39.360 --> 2:46:40.040 possible thing. 2:46:40.200 --> 2:46:40.400 Yeah. 2:46:40.440 --> 2:46:42.240 And when it comes to that, and I know that 2:46:42.280 --> 2:46:46.720 everyone like. But it's a nine milimeter probably a glock Yep. 2:46:46.800 --> 2:46:50.560 The glock nineteen is a relatively reasonably sized gun. The 2:46:50.600 --> 2:46:53.360 seventeen's a little bigger the nineteens. In this nice middle ground, 2:46:53.800 --> 2:46:56.120 it is carriable, it's small enough to be concealed should 2:46:56.120 --> 2:46:58.080 you have the right to do so, but it's big 2:46:58.160 --> 2:47:01.480 enough to be viable for being reasonably accurate with with 2:47:02.520 --> 2:47:04.600 not extensive amounts of training, but enough training to be 2:47:04.760 --> 2:47:05.320 to get good. 2:47:05.520 --> 2:47:07.000 Yeah. And it's a. 2:47:06.920 --> 2:47:11.000 Bunch around the nine millimeters magazine that just playing works Yep. 2:47:10.800 --> 2:47:11.240 Yeah, yep. 2:47:11.480 --> 2:47:13.920 If you're on a tight digit I will say that 2:47:14.000 --> 2:47:16.960 cops are always you can find trade in police clocks 2:47:17.000 --> 2:47:20.160 pretty cheap. Cops don't shoot very much. You can sometimes 2:47:20.200 --> 2:47:21.440 get some pretty good deals on those. 2:47:21.720 --> 2:47:22.440 Yep. That's it. 2:47:22.560 --> 2:47:24.600 I'm revealing a little bit of future history of what's 2:47:24.640 --> 2:47:26.240 going on in range. We're doing a video in a 2:47:26.240 --> 2:47:30.320 couple of weeks. There is a strange trade imbalance between 2:47:30.360 --> 2:47:32.199 us and never mind the politics. 2:47:32.240 --> 2:47:33.879 Yeah, Turkey and they are. 2:47:33.800 --> 2:47:37.240 Making some really high end, well made guns. There is 2:47:37.280 --> 2:47:40.240 a glock clone from Turkey that I can't vouch for yet, 2:47:40.440 --> 2:47:41.720 but this is the kind of where we're at in 2:47:41.760 --> 2:47:45.040 the gun space. This thing is interchangeable with all glock 2:47:45.120 --> 2:47:46.680 parts and the guns. 2:47:46.440 --> 2:47:47.440 Like two hundred and fifty bucks. 2:47:47.520 --> 2:47:48.720 Oh well, you can't be. 2:47:48.800 --> 2:47:49.200 We don't know. 2:47:49.280 --> 2:47:51.160 Yeah, I'm not saying go buy that, but I'm saying 2:47:51.200 --> 2:47:53.000 we're going to do a review of it. The point 2:47:53.080 --> 2:47:55.560 is there are glocks and glocklike things that can get 2:47:55.600 --> 2:47:56.280 the price down. 2:47:56.760 --> 2:47:57.080 Yeah. 2:47:57.200 --> 2:47:58.880 Right, And so you're looking at you know, if you 2:47:58.959 --> 2:48:02.120 get a jit Ar for five hundred bucks, you know 2:48:02.200 --> 2:48:05.720 a budget not a nine millimeter handgun. Because even if 2:48:05.800 --> 2:48:08.640 with not counting that one, there are other budget options 2:48:08.640 --> 2:48:11.680 that are in the three hundred ish dollar range. You 2:48:11.800 --> 2:48:14.200 just have to look around a bit. And I should 2:48:14.200 --> 2:48:17.200 also note buying used with a firearm is not like 2:48:17.280 --> 2:48:20.240 buying used with electronics. If a gun is well maintained, 2:48:20.240 --> 2:48:23.000 it will outlast you. Yeah right, there are some parts 2:48:23.000 --> 2:48:25.320 that will need replacing from time to time. Right, Your 2:48:25.360 --> 2:48:27.959 springs and stuff are going to age faster than other things. 2:48:28.320 --> 2:48:31.120 And like barrels, you can shoot out, but it takes 2:48:31.200 --> 2:48:34.880 quite a bit of shooting to shoot a barrel, you know, smooth, right, 2:48:35.240 --> 2:48:38.480 So it's never a bad to consider like finding, like 2:48:38.520 --> 2:48:40.560 you said, like a police trade in or something like that, 2:48:40.600 --> 2:48:42.320 like that could be a great way to save money. 2:48:42.480 --> 2:48:43.000 Absolutely. 2:48:43.080 --> 2:48:44.760 So when it comes to a pistol, we're talking about 2:48:44.800 --> 2:48:47.520 buying just one pretty much boil it down to a 2:48:47.640 --> 2:48:51.240 nine millimeter yep. That is probably a polymer frame gune, 2:48:51.280 --> 2:48:54.000 not some big heavy steel thing. A glock is the 2:48:54.280 --> 2:48:56.280 is like the de facto. But there are others. 2:48:56.320 --> 2:48:58.320 I mean, there's there's hks, there's rugers. 2:48:58.360 --> 2:49:00.800 Yeah, I like SIGs, but they're priceier. 2:49:00.920 --> 2:49:01.920 Yeah yeah. 2:49:02.000 --> 2:49:02.200 Yeah. 2:49:02.240 --> 2:49:04.560 The thing about glock is block's been around forever. It's 2:49:04.560 --> 2:49:09.840 the standard finding accessorizing, buying magazines or even getting repairs 2:49:09.840 --> 2:49:12.120 done to a block is ubiquitous across the country. If 2:49:12.120 --> 2:49:14.160 you get a glock, you'll be able to deal with it, 2:49:14.200 --> 2:49:16.160 fix it, do whatever you want to it straight up. 2:49:16.959 --> 2:49:19.879 And what has helped me a lot in general is, 2:49:19.920 --> 2:49:22.360 you know, I have my carry gun, I have my 2:49:23.000 --> 2:49:26.959 home defense firearm, and then I have bought built a 2:49:27.000 --> 2:49:29.440 couple of firearms from the ground up. And I would certainly, 2:49:29.480 --> 2:49:31.760 as you said, I would never have started there. But 2:49:31.800 --> 2:49:34.039 because I had the extra money doing that means that 2:49:34.200 --> 2:49:36.600 has given me so much deeper of an understanding of 2:49:36.600 --> 2:49:39.440 what goes wrong when things do go wrong with a 2:49:39.480 --> 2:49:42.680 gun and how to fix it. Like I've replaced every 2:49:42.760 --> 2:49:45.240 part on my carry gun at this point, right like 2:49:45.320 --> 2:49:48.720 over time, and it's like given me a much deeper 2:49:48.800 --> 2:49:51.440 level of understanding if just like mechanically, how these things function. 2:49:51.520 --> 2:49:54.119 You know, building an AR fifteen was the same process. 2:49:54.120 --> 2:49:57.959 And I'm really I do find that valuable. Obviously it's 2:49:58.080 --> 2:50:01.200 throwing more money at the problem two totally. 2:50:01.240 --> 2:50:04.879 So the other advantage of nine milimeter, which is reasonably 2:50:04.959 --> 2:50:08.160 cheap defeat and shoot, he reasonably cheap to practice with. 2:50:08.200 --> 2:50:10.080 For those of you that don't know anything about guns. 2:50:10.320 --> 2:50:14.200 He will typically practice with what's called FMJ bulkpack ammunition. Yeah, 2:50:14.320 --> 2:50:16.840 nine milimeters one hundred and fifteen grain. It's just a 2:50:16.879 --> 2:50:19.160 bullet that's got a copper jacket on it, and that's 2:50:19.200 --> 2:50:22.320 your practice AMMO. And then for Carrie, should you be 2:50:22.320 --> 2:50:24.960 carrying it, you'll probably want to carry something that's specifically 2:50:25.000 --> 2:50:28.040 designed to be defensive ammunition. They'll be far more expensive 2:50:28.080 --> 2:50:30.400 per box. But once you get to the point of yes, 2:50:30.440 --> 2:50:33.320 I am ready safe and capable to carry this, you're 2:50:33.360 --> 2:50:35.760 going to want to pick something gold dots spear gold 2:50:35.760 --> 2:50:38.280 dots are a HaLow point designed to specifically be for 2:50:38.360 --> 2:50:41.080 self defense. But make sure the gun you've chosen works 2:50:41.120 --> 2:50:44.200 reliably with that defensive ammo, because even though it works 2:50:44.240 --> 2:50:46.800 one hundred percent with that FMJ, it may not work 2:50:46.840 --> 2:50:48.440 with the defensive amil y'all might have to play with 2:50:48.440 --> 2:50:48.920 a little bit. 2:50:49.560 --> 2:50:53.080 Yeah, we should also know when you are buying AMMO online, 2:50:53.120 --> 2:50:54.800 which is not going to be legal in every state, 2:50:54.879 --> 2:50:57.520 but most people will be able to do this. It 2:50:57.680 --> 2:51:00.959 pays to be careful. There is a lot of stuff 2:51:01.000 --> 2:51:03.720 that is sketchier out there and there can be consequences. 2:51:03.720 --> 2:51:05.720 I have had a firearm, I have had like a 2:51:05.760 --> 2:51:08.960 handgun blow up in my hand as a result of 2:51:09.000 --> 2:51:12.480 getting ammunition that I had not shot before. This was 2:51:12.520 --> 2:51:15.760 in fact turkish. I think it was because I think 2:51:15.800 --> 2:51:18.480 it was a hot load, but it's possible that it 2:51:18.560 --> 2:51:21.760 was the result of a bullet be a squib and 2:51:21.920 --> 2:51:24.520 that then jammed in the barrel and then another round 2:51:24.520 --> 2:51:27.440 came in after it. I generally have been pretty good 2:51:27.440 --> 2:51:29.360 at checking to make sure there's a hole in the 2:51:29.360 --> 2:51:31.600 paper with each shot, which is something you should be 2:51:31.640 --> 2:51:35.760 making sure of like when you're shooting, because get if 2:51:35.800 --> 2:51:39.000 you shoot around that like does not have enough powder 2:51:39.040 --> 2:51:41.200 behind it, right, if you get a bad round, it 2:51:41.240 --> 2:51:43.320 can jam in the barrel, and then the second round 2:51:43.360 --> 2:51:45.720 can cause the barrel to burst. This is also why 2:51:45.760 --> 2:51:48.800 we always wear eye protection. But when looking at ammo, 2:51:48.840 --> 2:51:51.119 if you think this looks like good AMMO and it's cheap, 2:51:51.680 --> 2:51:54.240 look online. Add like reddit to the name. See what 2:51:54.280 --> 2:51:56.520 other people say about it, right, Like, see if you 2:51:56.560 --> 2:51:59.959 can find anything written about that. If other usually other people, 2:52:00.160 --> 2:52:03.000 if it's like a less reliable manufacturer will have said 2:52:03.280 --> 2:52:06.760 I've had a bad experience with this ammunition. Do your 2:52:06.800 --> 2:52:09.440 diligence right the first time you're shooting a new kind 2:52:09.480 --> 2:52:10.600 of cheap target AMMO. 2:52:11.320 --> 2:52:13.760 That that being said, like there's a lot of names 2:52:13.760 --> 2:52:15.600 that almost anyone that's never owned a gun before, we'll 2:52:15.600 --> 2:52:19.840 recognize names like Remington, right, Winchester. Yes, these are That's 2:52:19.879 --> 2:52:22.160 not to say that they don't make mistakes too, but like, 2:52:22.200 --> 2:52:24.520 if you're going to go buy a Winchester bulk pack 2:52:24.560 --> 2:52:27.879 of ammunition, you are bombing at least what is generally 2:52:27.879 --> 2:52:30.080 considered consumer level reliable AMMO. 2:52:30.360 --> 2:52:33.800 If you're buying it absolutely crazy, Bob's reloading shack right, 2:52:33.800 --> 2:52:36.920 you don't know that was what because it's a lot 2:52:36.959 --> 2:52:39.720 of the sketchy stuff isn't even a manufacturer. It's like 2:52:39.879 --> 2:52:42.240 AMMO that you may not notice immediately it's like, oh wow, 2:52:42.280 --> 2:52:44.440 this seems really cheap, and then it'll say in small 2:52:44.520 --> 2:52:49.600 letters remanufactured right, which means somebody has reloaded it, reloaded AMMA. 2:52:49.640 --> 2:52:51.320 And like, you know, you can reload AMMO and have 2:52:51.360 --> 2:52:54.600 it be perfectly good ammunition, but do you know who 2:52:54.640 --> 2:52:55.600 reloaded this AMMO? 2:52:55.840 --> 2:52:56.000 Right? 2:52:56.840 --> 2:52:58.560 I will tell you, as a person that shoots a 2:52:58.560 --> 2:53:00.920 lot and has been doing it for decades, I personally, 2:53:01.240 --> 2:53:04.320 even with all that, I will never fire remanufactured ammunition. 2:53:04.360 --> 2:53:08.360 I want to deal with crazy Bob's weird Badnesday. Yes, yes, 2:53:08.920 --> 2:53:10.400 crazy Bob's Bad Wednesday. 2:53:11.200 --> 2:53:15.680 It's a great Yeah. Yeah, we've addressed a pistol, right, 2:53:15.760 --> 2:53:19.280 like I want to dress lunguns. And then you mentioned 2:53:19.320 --> 2:53:21.000 a couple of things call which you should also address, 2:53:21.000 --> 2:53:23.720 which are like accessories. A Rubbitt mentioned ie protection. So 2:53:25.200 --> 2:53:25.720 let me let me. 2:53:25.680 --> 2:53:27.520 Add one more piece to the pistol and we'll move on. 2:53:29.440 --> 2:53:31.880 The thing now, the whizbang thing now is every pistol 2:53:31.879 --> 2:53:33.480 has a red dot site on it. A red dot 2:53:33.480 --> 2:53:36.000 site is essentially an electro optical box that sits on 2:53:36.040 --> 2:53:38.120 the top of the slide and you look through it 2:53:38.160 --> 2:53:40.320 to aim and it projects a red dot like almost 2:53:40.400 --> 2:53:41.879 like a laser dot if you're not familiar with. 2:53:41.840 --> 2:53:42.800 It, to aim with. 2:53:43.120 --> 2:53:46.080 For the most part, I'm not saying you shouldn't have 2:53:46.120 --> 2:53:48.160 one because they're cool, But for the most part, a 2:53:48.200 --> 2:53:51.440 person getting into this specifically for self defense does not 2:53:51.600 --> 2:53:53.360 need one of those. You don't need to spend three 2:53:53.400 --> 2:53:56.080 hundred dollars on a red dot. The iron sights that 2:53:56.120 --> 2:53:58.160 come on any of these guns should be sufficient for 2:53:58.280 --> 2:54:01.560 most purposes, So don't get into I need that. Yeah, 2:54:01.560 --> 2:54:03.560 if that's something you want later, think about it. But 2:54:03.640 --> 2:54:04.600 it's not a requirement. 2:54:05.120 --> 2:54:07.120 Now that said, if a gun has one on it, 2:54:07.160 --> 2:54:08.879 I don't agree with people who say, like, you can't 2:54:08.920 --> 2:54:11.119 learn to shoot on a red dot. I think that 2:54:11.120 --> 2:54:14.160 that's now you should. You will need to look up 2:54:14.200 --> 2:54:17.400 because it may not be sighted, how to site it right, 2:54:18.800 --> 2:54:21.160 because it like red dots are a thing like you 2:54:21.240 --> 2:54:23.600 need to dial them in right, and there is a 2:54:23.680 --> 2:54:26.440 way to do that. Again, you can find guides to 2:54:26.480 --> 2:54:28.680 this online, just like you can find guides like mounting 2:54:28.680 --> 2:54:33.160 a scope on a rifle. These are complex mechanical tasks. 2:54:33.440 --> 2:54:35.760 A red dot less so than a scope. But you 2:54:35.840 --> 2:54:37.920 can't just buy a gun with a red dot on 2:54:38.040 --> 2:54:40.360 it and trust that that red dot points out where 2:54:40.400 --> 2:54:43.359 the bullet's going to go. That's not how they work. Absolutely. 2:54:43.400 --> 2:54:44.960 My point being is if you gave me, you said, 2:54:45.400 --> 2:54:46.920 this person here needs to be able to hit a 2:54:46.959 --> 2:54:48.279 target fifteen yards. 2:54:48.080 --> 2:54:49.119 Away, you've got one hour. 2:54:49.520 --> 2:54:51.520 I would not be messing by giving them a red dot. 2:54:51.560 --> 2:54:53.200 I would give them with something with iron sights and 2:54:53.280 --> 2:54:54.280 just get them through the task. 2:54:54.320 --> 2:54:56.400 If that's what I go where I'm going with that, Yeah, 2:54:56.920 --> 2:55:00.840 I think that's perfectly reasonable. Yeah, I prefer like now 2:55:00.840 --> 2:55:03.040 that I know what I'm doing to use my red 2:55:03.080 --> 2:55:05.520 dots and stuff, but I also pretty regularly shoot with 2:55:05.560 --> 2:55:08.920 iron sights in part because I like it, Like it's 2:55:09.000 --> 2:55:11.920 it's enjoyable mechanically, and it's kind of how I learned. 2:55:12.080 --> 2:55:13.640 Yeah, or don't get me wrong, it is better. 2:55:13.720 --> 2:55:14.119 Yeah. 2:55:14.320 --> 2:55:17.480 Yeah, it also have another level of complexity and it's 2:55:17.520 --> 2:55:19.960 more to go wrong, Like if you're installing that yourself, 2:55:20.120 --> 2:55:23.440 it's annoying and it's easy to mess up and then 2:55:23.480 --> 2:55:24.640 you're upset. 2:55:24.720 --> 2:55:25.520 And yeah. 2:55:25.680 --> 2:55:30.200 Yeah, let's move on to long guns. Like one thing 2:55:30.240 --> 2:55:33.440 that we should mention that you might buy an AR, 2:55:34.240 --> 2:55:36.760 specifically an AR actually and find that it comes with 2:55:36.840 --> 2:55:40.080 no sighting systems at all. Yes, and so that's the 2:55:40.080 --> 2:55:42.760 thing to build into your budget. So let's talk about 2:55:42.800 --> 2:55:45.240 like what to get for your budget in the long 2:55:45.280 --> 2:55:45.959 gun category. 2:55:46.040 --> 2:55:46.240 Calf. 2:55:46.520 --> 2:55:48.280 Yeah, so when we go to long guns, we talk 2:55:48.320 --> 2:55:50.680 about rifles and shotguns. Let's stick with rifles for now, 2:55:50.680 --> 2:55:53.800 I'm assuming so in that regard, this is this is 2:55:53.800 --> 2:55:55.520 the thing where like actually have a video on my 2:55:55.600 --> 2:55:58.160 channel about the NFA, which is the National Firearms Act, 2:55:58.160 --> 2:56:00.560 which is regulate it's a lot of like machine guns 2:56:00.600 --> 2:56:03.080 and stuff. But this also occur to across many gun 2:56:03.120 --> 2:56:06.960 control laws, they're frequently ablest, and the things that they 2:56:07.000 --> 2:56:09.480 pust the most rescriptions on are the things that are 2:56:09.520 --> 2:56:15.120 actually most capable. And that means that means Air fifteens 2:56:15.160 --> 2:56:17.440 in their general guys with a pistol grip and a 2:56:17.480 --> 2:56:20.000 red dot site which we just mentioned for pistols and 2:56:20.040 --> 2:56:22.480 a thirty round magazine is the thing that is going 2:56:22.480 --> 2:56:25.960 to be the most I could get anyone. I tell you, 2:56:26.000 --> 2:56:29.040 anyone capable of hitting it a target at fifty yards 2:56:29.080 --> 2:56:31.720 within a four hour training session with a red dot 2:56:31.800 --> 2:56:33.760 side at Air fifteen and a good magazine, it's a 2:56:33.800 --> 2:56:37.920 good ammunition. Air fifteens are light, low recoil. They're loud 2:56:38.000 --> 2:56:40.360 because of the five five six, but they're light, low 2:56:40.400 --> 2:56:44.920 recoil guns that almost any one of most body structure 2:56:45.000 --> 2:56:47.160 can handle. Now there's exceptions, of course, if you have 2:56:47.200 --> 2:56:49.640 specific physical challenges that's another discussion. 2:56:49.640 --> 2:56:53.000 But if almost anyone tiny. 2:56:52.640 --> 2:56:56.440 To large can handle a basic Air fifteen, and it 2:56:56.520 --> 2:56:59.720 is the gun that is most focused on for gun control. Ironically, 2:57:00.040 --> 2:57:01.920 this is like California where they take away things that 2:57:01.959 --> 2:57:05.240 make it more functional, like no pistol grip or reduce 2:57:05.280 --> 2:57:09.279 your magazine capacity because they're trying to diminish the functionality 2:57:09.280 --> 2:57:11.360 of the gun. But the reality is the reason they're 2:57:11.400 --> 2:57:12.800 doing that is because that is the gun that is 2:57:12.840 --> 2:57:15.400 most functional for most people, and it is therefore the 2:57:15.400 --> 2:57:19.519 one that almost anyone can handle pretty well with the smallest. 2:57:19.040 --> 2:57:19.760 Amount of training. 2:57:19.959 --> 2:57:20.439 Yeah. 2:57:20.520 --> 2:57:23.320 Yes, And I think there's a good point there in 2:57:23.760 --> 2:57:26.720 if I were coaching someone who is buying an AR 2:57:26.920 --> 2:57:30.080 that has no you know, does not have iron sights 2:57:30.120 --> 2:57:33.439 on it at all, you are it is much easier 2:57:33.480 --> 2:57:35.320 to learn how to site in and use a red 2:57:35.360 --> 2:57:38.520 dot on an AR than learning how to adjust the 2:57:38.520 --> 2:57:42.040 site the iron sights on an AR fifteen. Right, Like, 2:57:42.160 --> 2:57:44.119 not that you can't learn that that you should again, 2:57:44.160 --> 2:57:45.879 you have to, you can watch a video on it, 2:57:45.920 --> 2:57:49.080 but it's much more intuitive to set up a red 2:57:49.080 --> 2:57:50.120 dot in that way. 2:57:50.320 --> 2:57:52.200 This is actually where I would flip flop. If you're 2:57:52.240 --> 2:57:54.600 with the pistol, don't concern yourself too much of the 2:57:54.640 --> 2:57:57.599 red dot. If you're going with an AIR fifteen, concern. 2:57:57.280 --> 2:58:00.480 Yourself with the release. Get a red dot to the opposite. Yeah. 2:58:00.560 --> 2:58:03.160 Yeah, unless you were like in the Marines or something, 2:58:03.160 --> 2:58:06.080 and you know how to dial in your irons, right, 2:58:06.840 --> 2:58:08.760 And even then, you're gonna have a better time with 2:58:08.800 --> 2:58:09.280 a red dot. 2:58:09.400 --> 2:58:12.520 Yeah, yeah, totally once, and a red dot is very intuitive. 2:58:12.600 --> 2:58:14.720 So one of the things that people are familiar with firearms, 2:58:14.720 --> 2:58:16.959 but when you bring up a long arm, there's multiple 2:58:16.959 --> 2:58:19.360 points of contact to the person shooting the gun. When 2:58:19.360 --> 2:58:21.440 you bring up a pistol, you probably have two hands 2:58:21.440 --> 2:58:23.360 on it and you're pushing your arms out almost like 2:58:23.400 --> 2:58:25.880 you're like making a triangle. When you're using a long 2:58:25.959 --> 2:58:27.840 arm like an air fifteen, there's a butt stock on 2:58:27.879 --> 2:58:31.080 your shoulder, your cheek is on the actual comb which 2:58:31.120 --> 2:58:33.280 is the base of the stock. Your other hand your 2:58:33.320 --> 2:58:35.280 support hand it's holding the gun up on the front 2:58:35.320 --> 2:58:37.160 of it. You have a minimum of three points of 2:58:37.200 --> 2:58:40.160 contact with a red dot. That makes it very stable 2:58:40.560 --> 2:58:42.600 and easy to get reliable hits. And the red dot 2:58:42.640 --> 2:58:44.800 means you can keep both eyes open, don't need to 2:58:44.800 --> 2:58:48.360 worry about the idiosyncrasies of focusing on a front site. Essentially, 2:58:48.440 --> 2:58:50.800 if it's neuro meaning the dot is regulated to where 2:58:50.800 --> 2:58:53.000 the gun hits, and you put the dot on the 2:58:53.040 --> 2:58:55.320 thing and press the trigger without doing something like jerking 2:58:55.360 --> 2:58:56.840 the gun, you'll hit the target. 2:58:57.120 --> 2:58:59.000 And so that's why that matters. 2:58:59.640 --> 2:59:03.480 Yeah, so what sort of budge each people be looking 2:59:03.480 --> 2:59:07.440 at and like, would you be comfortable recommending, like even 2:59:07.480 --> 2:59:08.760 brands that they should look at. 2:59:09.920 --> 2:59:11.360 It all comes down the cost when it comes to 2:59:11.400 --> 2:59:13.320 AIR fifteen. So you can spend as much money as 2:59:13.360 --> 2:59:16.120 you want. The reality is I have a video on 2:59:16.160 --> 2:59:18.480 the channel. Never mind if you like or just like 2:59:18.560 --> 2:59:21.400 the company. They're one of the ones that really pushed 2:59:21.440 --> 2:59:24.120 the lower cost products out there. PSA it stands for 2:59:24.160 --> 2:59:26.440 Palm Models pal Metal State Armory. You can go there 2:59:26.480 --> 2:59:28.720 and get your branded Trump lower but at the same time, 2:59:28.760 --> 2:59:31.240 you can get an AR fifteen for like four hundred bucks. 2:59:31.480 --> 2:59:34.520 Yeah, and like in the gun space, you're you're not 2:59:34.520 --> 2:59:36.920 going to find someone to buy who is spotless and 2:59:37.040 --> 2:59:39.240 selling guns in large numbers cheaply. 2:59:39.400 --> 2:59:43.360 Yeah, Like that's not so like. So so for four 2:59:43.440 --> 2:59:46.680 hunderd bucks are around there. From PSA, you can get 2:59:46.720 --> 2:59:49.600 a traditional what's called an M four. It's essentially a 2:59:49.640 --> 2:59:52.520 sixteen inch car beam. It won't have any sighting system 2:59:52.560 --> 2:59:55.160 on it, so expect to throw another two hundred bucks 2:59:55.280 --> 2:59:58.000 ish onto a reasonable red dot site on that. So 2:59:58.360 --> 3:00:00.879 for around the six hundred dollars, you're gonna get a 3:00:00.879 --> 3:00:04.959 gun that's going to weigh seven pounds, but it's gonna 3:00:04.959 --> 3:00:07.480 have low recoil and you're gonna have something that's for 3:00:07.520 --> 3:00:10.080 the most part, reasonably reliable. Is it the best of 3:00:10.120 --> 3:00:12.600 the comp is the best of the best. No, but 3:00:12.640 --> 3:00:15.720 it's reasonably lightweight. It is well manufactured. I've done videos 3:00:15.720 --> 3:00:19.000 about them on my channel. They've worked just fine. And 3:00:19.080 --> 3:00:21.800 so for a foreigner ish for the gun of the 3:00:21.840 --> 3:00:24.720 two hundred, for the sighting system, a couple mags, you 3:00:24.760 --> 3:00:29.000 could get out of the door for under seven hundred 3:00:29.000 --> 3:00:31.920 dollars with everything probably under that, maybe under six hundred 3:00:31.959 --> 3:00:32.800 even if you're careful. 3:00:33.160 --> 3:00:34.400 Oh but let me plug one thing. 3:00:34.400 --> 3:00:36.480 If you've got lots and lots more money, double that 3:00:36.680 --> 3:00:38.760 you get what would Starner do carbon which I designed. 3:00:38.800 --> 3:00:42.440 It'll be half the weight and super reliable from Katie Arms. 3:00:42.480 --> 3:00:43.320 But I love mine. 3:00:43.360 --> 3:00:44.880 Doesn't bring any money to me. I'm just saying. 3:00:44.920 --> 3:00:47.560 The point I'm making here is you can get something 3:00:47.600 --> 3:00:49.440 good enough, and if you've got more money, there is 3:00:49.480 --> 3:00:52.160 better out there that are lighter, more reliable guns. 3:00:52.640 --> 3:00:54.199 But you don't need to is my point. 3:00:54.200 --> 3:00:55.480 I'm not trying to sell anything here. 3:00:55.600 --> 3:00:57.960 Yeah, they are one of the few manufacturers who offer 3:00:58.120 --> 3:01:01.000 like a California Compliance Solution check out, which is nice 3:01:01.000 --> 3:01:02.119 for California people. 3:01:02.680 --> 3:01:05.560 Yes, yes, so that can be a really beneficial thing 3:01:05.560 --> 3:01:07.840 to you in terms of, you know, not having it 3:01:07.920 --> 3:01:10.320 the something that you're scared about. 3:01:10.560 --> 3:01:15.160 California Compliant will probably mean no flash hider, no pistol grim, 3:01:15.240 --> 3:01:17.400 and a fixed magazine at least at this point in time. 3:01:17.560 --> 3:01:21.200 You can have the removabal magazine if you don't have 3:01:21.320 --> 3:01:23.640 the flash height of the pistol grip and the collapsing stock. 3:01:23.879 --> 3:01:25.080 So okay, all. 3:01:25.040 --> 3:01:27.360 Right, Well, if you can buy it from them ready 3:01:27.360 --> 3:01:31.400 to go, there's I know, there's also magazine capacity requirements 3:01:31.520 --> 3:01:32.879 or in so maybe you have. 3:01:32.920 --> 3:01:34.800 To buy like a couple ten round bags or something 3:01:34.840 --> 3:01:35.000 like that. 3:01:35.080 --> 3:01:35.280 Yeah. 3:01:35.320 --> 3:01:38.000 Yeah, obviously thirty round bags are better than ten round bags, 3:01:38.160 --> 3:01:41.120 and for mostly if you live in a place like California, 3:01:41.200 --> 3:01:43.120 do not worry too much about that. If you get 3:01:43.160 --> 3:01:45.800 a little proficiency on that, a couple ten round bags 3:01:45.840 --> 3:01:46.360 will do a lot. 3:01:46.720 --> 3:01:49.879 And to be honest, in self defense shootings, the odds 3:01:49.920 --> 3:01:52.600 are load that you will be firing that many rounds 3:01:52.720 --> 3:01:57.160 right now. If you're in a self defense shooting where 3:01:57.200 --> 3:01:59.640 you do need more bullets than that, there's really nothing 3:01:59.640 --> 3:02:02.599 that can replace having those bullets you know available. 3:02:02.680 --> 3:02:05.440 But yeah, don't get reptrondiacs on it like it's not 3:02:05.520 --> 3:02:06.720 something you can change. 3:02:07.400 --> 3:02:09.280 The fact that you only have a ten round magazine 3:02:09.280 --> 3:02:11.279 does not mean that you can't become proficient. 3:02:11.520 --> 3:02:12.840 Yeah, and I don't want anyone here to think that 3:02:12.840 --> 3:02:14.200 I'm saying you shouldn't. You should be able to got 3:02:14.200 --> 3:02:16.360 six ye round magazine. As far as I'm concerned, places 3:02:16.400 --> 3:02:20.240 like California to have these restrictions have them statistically speaking, 3:02:20.280 --> 3:02:21.960 and I don't know if these this date has changed. 3:02:22.440 --> 3:02:26.359 Most self defense shootings happen within three yards, three seconds, 3:02:26.360 --> 3:02:27.160 three shots fired. 3:02:27.240 --> 3:02:29.800 Yeah, yep, yeah, yep. I think it's really good to 3:02:29.840 --> 3:02:32.119 remember that when you are seeing some YouTube they tell 3:02:32.160 --> 3:02:34.840 you you need to be able to have thirty rounds 3:02:34.879 --> 3:02:36.400 in five five hundred yards. 3:02:36.480 --> 3:02:40.279 I don't go downtown without my backpack and my SBRD 3:02:40.320 --> 3:02:44.720 three hundred black at with six thirty round magazine accessible. 3:02:45.440 --> 3:02:47.120 In conservative man scat of cities. 3:02:47.280 --> 3:02:50.080 Yeah yeah, I carry an RPG and I take the 3:02:50.120 --> 3:02:52.600 little safety cap off because I like to live that way. 3:02:52.760 --> 3:02:57.080 Yeah yeah, yeah, dangerously. Now my clothing is made out 3:02:57.080 --> 3:02:59.959 of debt cord. I just wear nothing but debt cord. 3:03:00.040 --> 3:03:02.080 Wherever I go, we're all going down. 3:03:02.440 --> 3:03:03.720 At least you take some people with you. 3:03:04.000 --> 3:03:05.080 It's all city blocks, the. 3:03:06.840 --> 3:03:08.000 Self defense mantad in. 3:03:08.240 --> 3:03:09.720 But let me say one more thing about long arms. 3:03:09.720 --> 3:03:11.280 Another thing you'll see from people that are new in 3:03:11.280 --> 3:03:14.080 the space, depending on what they've seen or what they've consumed. 3:03:14.680 --> 3:03:17.240 This is going to get some hate. Don't bother with AK, Yeah, 3:03:17.400 --> 3:03:17.800 just don't. 3:03:17.959 --> 3:03:20.680 This is the United States of America, and this country 3:03:20.680 --> 3:03:22.720 believes in the air fifteen. And what that boiled down 3:03:22.760 --> 3:03:23.680 to is they're everywhere. 3:03:23.680 --> 3:03:24.279 They're prolific. 3:03:24.320 --> 3:03:27.519 The parts are here, the repairs here, they're well manufactured. 3:03:27.800 --> 3:03:30.160 When you stray from that course to something like an AK, 3:03:30.840 --> 3:03:32.560 you're first of all, you're losing aeronomics. 3:03:32.600 --> 3:03:33.520 But that's a different problem. 3:03:33.680 --> 3:03:37.920 You're dealing with an unknown quantity of problems. 3:03:38.080 --> 3:03:40.520 You get an air fifteen. That's what's in this country. 3:03:40.520 --> 3:03:43.000 It's what's prolific. If you were in if you were 3:03:43.040 --> 3:03:47.880 in somewhere war torn Africa, get your AK here. 3:03:48.160 --> 3:03:51.320 I'll say this about the war torn AK countries because 3:03:51.360 --> 3:03:54.440 I've been in three countries where the primary arm is 3:03:54.480 --> 3:03:58.560 an AK M right like a kind of AK right Siri, Ukraine, 3:03:58.560 --> 3:04:01.840 in Iraq. In all three of those countries, every soldier 3:04:01.920 --> 3:04:04.600 who knew their stuff, who was proficient and had the 3:04:04.640 --> 3:04:07.959 option chosen AR platform. If they could get one hundred 3:04:07.959 --> 3:04:10.640 percent of the time, they're just better fire arms. 3:04:10.720 --> 3:04:12.480 Yeah, that's been my experience as well. 3:04:12.520 --> 3:04:14.960 They look cool, but but but don't go yeah, just 3:04:15.000 --> 3:04:16.560 get an air fore Yeah. 3:04:16.600 --> 3:04:19.600 Like I love my ak's, but they're they're range fun toys, 3:04:19.760 --> 3:04:22.759 right like. Yeah, So let's talk about. 3:04:23.000 --> 3:04:26.040 Accessorizing, which again is much easier with ais and aks. Like, 3:04:26.480 --> 3:04:28.880 what other stuff do you need to build into your budget? 3:04:28.879 --> 3:04:31.840 If you've not shot before, you might not know that 3:04:31.920 --> 3:04:35.640 you need a pro ipro sling, maybe haulster. 3:04:36.000 --> 3:04:38.360 Well, we'll start with the firearms accessories, right, So with 3:04:38.440 --> 3:04:41.080 the pistol. First of all, we talked about safe storage, 3:04:41.080 --> 3:04:44.200 so that's already off the table. With the pistol, if 3:04:44.200 --> 3:04:46.600 you plan to carry it, you need a good reliable 3:04:46.640 --> 3:04:50.240 holster and a good reliable gun belt. Good lord, Yes, 3:04:50.760 --> 3:04:52.680 depending on how you want to carry it, that'll determine 3:04:52.680 --> 3:04:55.040 the kind of holster. If you want an outside the waistband, 3:04:55.040 --> 3:04:57.440 which means it sits outside your belt, that's one thing. 3:04:57.480 --> 3:05:00.000 If you're carrying it concealed, you're probably going to want 3:05:00.040 --> 3:05:01.520 on an inside the waistbund which. 3:05:01.400 --> 3:05:04.000 Goes between your belt and your body. 3:05:04.280 --> 3:05:06.360 Again under the level of training there, because when you're 3:05:06.440 --> 3:05:08.039 drawing from that, things can go wrong. 3:05:08.160 --> 3:05:10.280 Sure, and that's where people tend to shoot themselves. So 3:05:10.320 --> 3:05:11.800 that's what you needed to be very cautious of. 3:05:12.160 --> 3:05:15.360 H But with a pithtol typically you're gonna want probably 3:05:15.400 --> 3:05:17.600 an extra magazine or two. It may come with one, 3:05:17.640 --> 3:05:20.160 depending on what you bought. A quality gun belt and 3:05:20.200 --> 3:05:21.040 a quality holster. 3:05:22.120 --> 3:05:25.320 Now what about what about a forty four derringer and 3:05:25.360 --> 3:05:28.000 an ankle holster on each ankle, right like that seems 3:05:28.040 --> 3:05:30.600 like the ideal solution. Anytime you're in danger. You just 3:05:30.640 --> 3:05:33.360 got a squat right down there, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, no. 3:05:33.600 --> 3:05:37.920 Get real low, yeah, especially when you've been pushed pushed 3:05:37.920 --> 3:05:41.880 onto your back by the mob and you're there on 3:05:41.879 --> 3:05:43.879 that scene and you're pulling it out of your ankleholester. 3:05:44.000 --> 3:05:48.199 Yeah right, no, no, no, just get a wire around 3:05:48.240 --> 3:05:50.120 the trigger and attach it to your toes so that 3:05:50.200 --> 3:05:52.279 you can squeeze your toes and fire detention. 3:05:52.560 --> 3:05:55.840 What you need is the belt buckle revolver from North 3:05:55.879 --> 3:05:56.680 American UMS. 3:05:56.760 --> 3:05:59.720 Yeah, that is great. Yeah. No, from that freaking movie, 3:06:00.200 --> 3:06:01.760 the vampire movie Quinn Tarantino. 3:06:02.320 --> 3:06:05.040 Oh geez, still that's still done. 3:06:05.160 --> 3:06:09.720 God yeah, no, before the pin belt, a magazine or 3:06:09.720 --> 3:06:12.600 two extra it might come with them, and a quality holster. Now, 3:06:12.640 --> 3:06:15.160 the obvious question is what's a quality holster, And the 3:06:15.200 --> 3:06:17.200 obvious answer is there's too many out there to be 3:06:17.240 --> 3:06:19.959 able to offer you that answer right now. Probably something 3:06:20.000 --> 3:06:22.400 polymer if it's going to be outside the waistband. And 3:06:22.440 --> 3:06:24.960 this will be another one that'll get people fired up. Generally, 3:06:25.000 --> 3:06:27.840 avoid the surpa holsters unless you really want to have 3:06:27.840 --> 3:06:29.600 a lot of training. Surple holsters are one that have 3:06:29.600 --> 3:06:31.840 a little button on the side that allows the gun 3:06:31.920 --> 3:06:33.879 to come out if you're not trained well or have 3:06:33.920 --> 3:06:35.840 the wrong gun in it. It also allows you to accidentally 3:06:35.840 --> 3:06:37.240 shoot yourself quite easily as well. 3:06:37.320 --> 3:06:40.840 Yeah, best avoided. That's a very good point. And also 3:06:41.360 --> 3:06:43.879 one thing I will note is there's a danger that 3:06:43.920 --> 3:06:45.960 a lot of people aren't aware of with leather, which 3:06:46.000 --> 3:06:48.200 is that leather holsters. Now, there are some leather holsters 3:06:48.200 --> 3:06:51.240 that have like a trigger area reinforced with kaidex, which is, 3:06:51.360 --> 3:06:54.760 you know, a rigid, plasticky substance. But if it's not 3:06:55.040 --> 3:06:58.440 in time, those can start to like get weaker and 3:06:58.879 --> 3:07:01.280 warn in such a way that it can also cause 3:07:01.320 --> 3:07:03.640 it to press the trigger when you holster it. Like 3:07:03.680 --> 3:07:06.480 that's a thing that has happened to people. So I 3:07:06.840 --> 3:07:10.520 generally think you want whatever you want the trigger guard 3:07:10.640 --> 3:07:13.680 to be rigid and not something that's going to like 3:07:14.720 --> 3:07:17.720 warp and be malleable around the trigger. Right, Like the 3:07:17.720 --> 3:07:19.879 whole point is that it stops the trigger from fire. 3:07:20.040 --> 3:07:22.360 Yes, this you want to avoid that. How about with 3:07:22.480 --> 3:07:25.200 the with the long dens, Like, what are you going 3:07:25.280 --> 3:07:28.840 to need to budget for those? And then other things 3:07:28.920 --> 3:07:31.280 like for shooting Germany that you'll need if you don't 3:07:31.280 --> 3:07:32.160 already have then. 3:07:32.240 --> 3:07:33.760 So when it comes to the long arm, we already 3:07:33.760 --> 3:07:35.600 said if you're going to get an air fifteen, you're 3:07:35.600 --> 3:07:37.280 going to want to stick some sort of red odd 3:07:37.360 --> 3:07:40.280 side on it. The lowest cost ones that are the 3:07:40.680 --> 3:07:45.640 unbelievably bomb proof are a Chinese company called Hollow Song. Hell, yeah, 3:07:45.720 --> 3:07:47.840 I have a hollow Sun from twenty seventeen that is 3:07:48.240 --> 3:07:49.480 still works just fine. 3:07:49.520 --> 3:07:50.680 I love my hollow Suns. 3:07:50.800 --> 3:07:54.000 Yeah, my hollow Sun's been bounced down a asshall road 3:07:54.040 --> 3:07:55.000 and it still works fine. 3:07:55.080 --> 3:07:57.959 So it's the opposite of a fail sun a hollow sun. 3:07:59.280 --> 3:08:01.240 So you can pick up red dot hollows on those 3:08:01.280 --> 3:08:04.000 can go in. You can get those sometimes sometimes that 3:08:04.120 --> 3:08:05.680 low is like one hundred and fifty bucks. 3:08:06.000 --> 3:08:07.680 Yeah, so you'll need a red dot site. 3:08:07.959 --> 3:08:11.680 A sling is nice, not required, especially if you're going 3:08:11.720 --> 3:08:14.520 to be using within the premises of your property. You 3:08:14.560 --> 3:08:17.680 probably don't need to worry about that. It Also, slings 3:08:17.720 --> 3:08:20.400 can cause issues like get caught on things or on 3:08:20.560 --> 3:08:22.240 things in your house or even tangle you up, So 3:08:22.280 --> 3:08:25.600 that's a training issue. So sling is iffy. An extra 3:08:25.680 --> 3:08:28.960 magazine or two. And if you're planning on needing to 3:08:29.040 --> 3:08:31.400 use this for a defensive purpose inside of your home 3:08:31.520 --> 3:08:34.200 or structure or at night, it's not the worst thing 3:08:34.200 --> 3:08:35.560 in the world to throw on a flashlight. 3:08:35.840 --> 3:08:41.959 Yeah, yes, especially if it's like a defensive firearm like 3:08:42.360 --> 3:08:45.440 it's your home defense gun or a carry gun like 3:08:45.480 --> 3:08:48.120 a flashlight. And also if you're I think it's generally 3:08:48.120 --> 3:08:50.760 a good idea if you're going to carry a carry 3:08:50.800 --> 3:08:53.840 firearm with a flashlight, have another flashlight that's not on 3:08:53.879 --> 3:08:56.560 a gun, because one thing you should never do is 3:08:56.680 --> 3:08:59.520 use your gun flashlight to look at just random shit. 3:08:59.440 --> 3:09:00.600 That you need a flash light. 3:09:00.720 --> 3:09:03.440 Bark, you come home at night in the dark, you forgot, 3:09:03.520 --> 3:09:05.720 you forgot, you can't find which key is the right. 3:09:06.040 --> 3:09:10.880 Yeah, you're using gun. Yeah, don't do that. Don't do that. 3:09:11.360 --> 3:09:15.240 Don't do that. That's a pretty good list of accessories set. 3:09:15.320 --> 3:09:17.520 Make sure you have a lad, air and eye protection 3:09:17.640 --> 3:09:18.039 as well. 3:09:18.400 --> 3:09:20.440 So we're gonna go all the safety side of things. 3:09:20.440 --> 3:09:23.120 You need proper shooting glasses. That means not the glasses 3:09:23.120 --> 3:09:25.600 that you picked up for readers at Walgreen. If they're 3:09:25.600 --> 3:09:28.000 shooting glasses can be as cheap as nine bucks, all 3:09:28.040 --> 3:09:29.119 the way up to hundreds of bucks. 3:09:29.120 --> 3:09:30.560 You can get them at the sporting good store. 3:09:30.720 --> 3:09:33.240 But they're designed with the kind of plastic to be 3:09:33.280 --> 3:09:36.879 able to take shrapnel or hits from pieces of fragments 3:09:37.120 --> 3:09:38.119 that are high velocity. 3:09:38.160 --> 3:09:41.360 They're meant for that. So ten dollars shooting glasses, yes, 3:09:41.400 --> 3:09:45.120 you need. Yes. Hearing protection. Those can be squishy earplugs 3:09:45.160 --> 3:09:46.920 you put in your ear, or they can be over 3:09:46.959 --> 3:09:50.680 the head. Moths do not ever shoot guns except in 3:09:50.720 --> 3:09:54.840 the most critical conditions or situations without eye protection and 3:09:54.920 --> 3:09:57.360 hearing protection, because that's the kind of stuff where you 3:09:57.400 --> 3:09:59.680 lose an eye and every time you fire that gun, 3:09:59.680 --> 3:10:01.279 you lose and hearing every. 3:10:01.000 --> 3:10:06.280 Time, yes, yes, and like for the really because obviously 3:10:06.400 --> 3:10:09.680 most like it hurts to shoot a firearm without hearing protection. 3:10:10.520 --> 3:10:13.120 Like you can get away with shooting a gun without 3:10:13.200 --> 3:10:15.959 EyePro every time, but the one time, right, which is 3:10:15.959 --> 3:10:19.800 why I really emphasize eye protection. It's easy to convince 3:10:19.840 --> 3:10:22.039 yourself I don't need to have it on right now? 3:10:22.160 --> 3:10:25.200 You do, yeah, like, because that's the day that it 3:10:25.240 --> 3:10:25.879 does the thing. 3:10:26.440 --> 3:10:30.920 Yes, yes, guns do fuck up, for lack of a 3:10:30.920 --> 3:10:34.720 better term, and you really don't want your eye unprotected 3:10:34.760 --> 3:10:35.200 if they do. 3:10:35.400 --> 3:10:38.480 Yeah, it's it's a bad day, absolutely, and so but 3:10:38.640 --> 3:10:41.960 you on the safety side of eye protection and hearing protection, 3:10:42.200 --> 3:10:44.440 it can be as cheap as ten dollars shooting glasses 3:10:44.440 --> 3:10:46.840 and a bottle of the squishy earplugs. 3:10:47.080 --> 3:10:49.199 You're gonna be in there for twenty bucks. Yeah, yeah, 3:10:49.280 --> 3:10:51.480 it doesn't have to be expensive. Make sure you have 3:10:51.520 --> 3:10:53.000 it and make sure you use it. 3:10:53.200 --> 3:10:54.640 But you know what, before you do any of this, 3:10:54.720 --> 3:10:56.200 you know what's a smart thing to do. Go take 3:10:56.240 --> 3:10:57.760 a class from Stop the Bleed and learn how to 3:10:57.800 --> 3:10:59.720 use turn a kIPS and medical gear. Yeah, and have 3:10:59.760 --> 3:11:02.080 that around anyway, before you ever buy a gun, go 3:11:02.120 --> 3:11:02.320 do that. 3:11:02.480 --> 3:11:04.680 Yes, a mess. That's the most important thing you could 3:11:04.680 --> 3:11:05.240 do for anyone. 3:11:05.440 --> 3:11:08.600 Yeah, yes, And that, as you said, should be a 3:11:08.680 --> 3:11:11.560 priority before getting the firearm. And if you have the 3:11:11.640 --> 3:11:14.040 money to get and train a gun, you have no 3:11:14.160 --> 3:11:17.240 excuse for not having an individual first aid kit an 3:11:17.240 --> 3:11:19.760 IFAC and the knowledge of how to use it. 3:11:20.120 --> 3:11:22.760 Right, And I think Stop the Bleed classes are usually free. 3:11:22.800 --> 3:11:24.440 You can look it up and stop the Bleed dot 3:11:24.480 --> 3:11:25.320 com or dot org. 3:11:25.480 --> 3:11:27.560 Google it. Take a class that's chasy. 3:11:27.600 --> 3:11:29.640 How to use a tourniquet, use how to use a bandage, 3:11:29.920 --> 3:11:31.840 have an ifact as was just mentioned, which can be 3:11:31.840 --> 3:11:32.720 a pretty simple kit. 3:11:32.840 --> 3:11:32.920 Ye. 3:11:33.080 --> 3:11:35.119 And as you said, Robert, if you can afford a gun, 3:11:35.160 --> 3:11:37.440 you can afford that and have that with you on 3:11:37.480 --> 3:11:39.680 the range anytime you're shooting, because as you said, guns 3:11:39.720 --> 3:11:42.280 can fuck up. They usually don't, but if they do, 3:11:42.560 --> 3:11:44.840 you're gonna want that IFAC and that IFAC and that 3:11:44.879 --> 3:11:47.480 training might just help your neighbor one day when they get. 3:11:47.360 --> 3:11:48.800 In a car accident or whatever. 3:11:49.320 --> 3:11:52.520 I regularly make the decision not to carry my gun 3:11:52.680 --> 3:11:54.640 with me places. Right, you know, I'm going to go 3:11:54.680 --> 3:11:56.360 out and get drunk tonight I don't need if I 3:11:56.400 --> 3:11:58.560 have a firearm onde me when I'm drunk. But you 3:11:58.560 --> 3:12:01.080 know what I always have is the I fact right 3:12:01.200 --> 3:12:04.560 every single time. You know, because number one drunk with 3:12:04.600 --> 3:12:05.480 an IFAC, I'm no. 3:12:05.920 --> 3:12:06.560 I might, I'm. 3:12:06.440 --> 3:12:11.039 Probably less effective, but I'm not going to endanger anyone. 3:12:11.160 --> 3:12:12.520 You're just like, hey, buddy, I think you need a 3:12:12.560 --> 3:12:16.760 parn kit. He's like, no, give me here. Google said, 3:12:16.800 --> 3:12:18.040 this goes around the neck. 3:12:20.280 --> 3:12:21.520 But once again, a. 3:12:21.560 --> 3:12:24.320 Sotoppable class on an IPAC is more likely to serve 3:12:24.400 --> 3:12:26.600 you or your community more than any gun ever will. 3:12:26.760 --> 3:12:26.960 Yeah. 3:12:27.040 --> 3:12:29.119 Yeah, I think that's a great place. I would say 3:12:29.120 --> 3:12:31.760 that if you are going down this pathway and you're 3:12:31.800 --> 3:12:35.640 looking to join openly leftist gun organizations, there are several, right, 3:12:35.720 --> 3:12:39.160 John Brown Gun Club, Socialist Rifle Association, We've had those 3:12:39.200 --> 3:12:42.400 people on a show before. Be cautious when you're doing that, 3:12:42.440 --> 3:12:44.840 and keep an eye on things because that could be 3:12:44.879 --> 3:12:48.440 something that might get you into into trouble in the 3:12:48.440 --> 3:12:51.200 long run. So it's something to be aware of. 3:12:51.840 --> 3:12:53.960 Yeah, it might be good to just put a holder 3:12:54.000 --> 3:12:56.800 on joining a new organization until we're a few months 3:12:56.800 --> 3:12:57.360 into this. 3:12:57.640 --> 3:12:59.200 Thing coming up next year. 3:12:59.680 --> 3:13:02.600 Maybe I have an idea about what kind of things 3:13:02.680 --> 3:13:04.560 might be safe and what kind of things might be 3:13:04.640 --> 3:13:05.160 less safe. 3:13:05.160 --> 3:13:07.680 Definitely no, But none of that stops you from using signal, 3:13:07.720 --> 3:13:10.959 building community and learning how to use a firearm properly. 3:13:10.720 --> 3:13:14.480 Right at meeting people, yes, and like training with them, 3:13:14.680 --> 3:13:19.200 you know, and taking getting training, building proficiency. Absolutely, all 3:13:19.200 --> 3:13:22.680 of that is legal and will remain legal. Just don't 3:13:22.720 --> 3:13:25.360 start if anyone ever talks to you about let's make 3:13:25.400 --> 3:13:28.960 a militia, do that. It's time to leave that conversation, 3:13:29.240 --> 3:13:31.120 right because, among other things, at this point there's a 3:13:31.120 --> 3:13:32.360 good chance they're the FBI. 3:13:34.280 --> 3:13:36.280 If you live in Michigan, do not. 3:13:36.800 --> 3:13:39.959 Yeah yeah, this podcast brought to you by co Intel pro. 3:13:41.879 --> 3:13:45.800 Yeah yeah, yeah, that's great. 3:13:45.800 --> 3:13:46.959 But I mean it's a tough challenge. 3:13:47.040 --> 3:13:48.640 So the other thing you can do is also, once 3:13:48.680 --> 3:13:50.800 you've got your basic proficiency up and you know that 3:13:50.879 --> 3:13:53.840 you are safe in terms of handling things, let me 3:13:53.840 --> 3:13:55.400 throw this out there too. It doesn't have to be 3:13:56.040 --> 3:13:58.560 any specific one. Although remember you're going into a space 3:13:58.600 --> 3:14:00.000 that may not be political. 3:14:00.400 --> 3:14:01.440 Your comfortable place. 3:14:02.120 --> 3:14:04.200 A good place to build up skill is to go 3:14:04.280 --> 3:14:05.960 shoot matches competitions. 3:14:06.080 --> 3:14:09.320 Yeah, for the most part, it's business oriented. You'll see. 3:14:09.360 --> 3:14:11.760 You'll hear some stupid comments here or there, depending on 3:14:11.800 --> 3:14:13.400 what match you're at, but the reality is you're not 3:14:13.440 --> 3:14:15.360 there for that. You're there to get better with your 3:14:15.360 --> 3:14:17.080 gun on a course of fire that they put up 3:14:17.080 --> 3:14:18.960 for you. Pay your ten bucks or twenty bucks and 3:14:19.000 --> 3:14:21.600 learn how to shoot better in those conditions. And that's 3:14:21.640 --> 3:14:24.520 another space to once the basic trainings out of the way, 3:14:24.520 --> 3:14:26.560 don't go to a match the b training. Use the 3:14:26.600 --> 3:14:29.400 match to help increase your skill after you've gotten training. 3:14:29.640 --> 3:14:31.640 But those matches can be a place to really help 3:14:31.680 --> 3:14:33.240 you out a lot. And there's a lot of them 3:14:33.280 --> 3:14:35.440 around and those are easier to find than almost anything. 3:14:35.720 --> 3:14:38.200 Yep, practice scores where you can lick them up if 3:14:38.240 --> 3:14:40.520 you're into that kind of thing. Excellent, Thanks very much 3:14:40.560 --> 3:14:42.200 for joining us, Kyle. Do you want to very briefly 3:14:42.240 --> 3:14:45.040 plug your YouTube channel. Where can people find you? 3:14:45.280 --> 3:14:45.440 Well? 3:14:45.520 --> 3:14:47.160 Sure, and thank you for having me on the show. 3:14:47.200 --> 3:14:49.280 It's always a treat. I really appreciate it. It's always 3:14:49.280 --> 3:14:50.480 great to be able to just to hang out with 3:14:50.520 --> 3:14:54.080 you both do it more often. You can find my 3:14:54.200 --> 3:14:56.600 work It's in Range TV. You can find my website 3:14:56.640 --> 3:15:01.480 at range dot tv. I'm distributed decentralize a multiple platforms, 3:15:01.480 --> 3:15:05.680 a predominant one being YouTube. Cover everything from civil rights history, 3:15:05.800 --> 3:15:09.880 human rights to firearms to from old West flintlocks up 3:15:09.879 --> 3:15:12.320 to the most modern machine guns across the channel. Some 3:15:12.400 --> 3:15:14.840 of it is instructional, some of its history. And I've 3:15:14.840 --> 3:15:17.760 got a cool video dropping tomorrow, in fact, well tomorrow 3:15:17.840 --> 3:15:20.720 based on when we're recording this on the Opium Wars 3:15:20.840 --> 3:15:26.200 and how Britain and China's firearms technology discrepancy caused Hong 3:15:26.280 --> 3:15:28.120 Kong to be owned by Britain. That's the kind of 3:15:28.120 --> 3:15:30.119 stuff I do on my channel, So check that out. 3:15:30.520 --> 3:15:32.680 And if you want to find matches that are going 3:15:32.720 --> 3:15:35.160 to be a place that is truly an inclusive space, 3:15:35.520 --> 3:15:37.520 we do run matches called Brutality Matches. 3:15:37.600 --> 3:15:39.640 You can find them at brutalitymatches dot org. 3:15:39.920 --> 3:15:41.680 They're not monthly, we have run a couple of them 3:15:41.720 --> 3:15:43.960 across the country, but I can guarantee you that's the 3:15:43.959 --> 3:15:46.000 space you will feel comfortable because we make. 3:15:45.879 --> 3:15:47.160 It that way. Awesome. 3:15:47.240 --> 3:15:48.160 Yeah, thanks Cole. 3:15:50.080 --> 3:15:53.280 Hey, We'll be back Monday with more episodes every week 3:15:53.320 --> 3:15:55.160 from now until the heat Death of the Universe. 3:15:55.560 --> 3:15:56.119 It could happen. 3:15:56.160 --> 3:15:58.000 Here is a production of Cool Zone Media. 3:15:58.200 --> 3:16:01.279 For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website 3:16:01.320 --> 3:16:04.920 Coolzonemedia dot com, or check us out on the iHeartRadio app, 3:16:05.000 --> 3:16:08.520 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. You can 3:16:08.600 --> 3:16:10.920 now find sources for it could happen here, listed directly 3:16:10.959 --> 3:16:13.240 in episode descriptions. Thanks for listening.