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Speaker 3: Oh god, we have survived another week, and I'm joined
Speaker 3: today by Sophie and James to discuss Trump's cabinet picks
Speaker 3: and the upcoming potential members of the Trump administration two
Speaker 3: point zero. I'm sure some of you have been following
Speaker 3: the news and there is some wacky picks in there.
Speaker 3: There keeps being even more wacky ones like RFK, which
Speaker 3: I didn't even have time to include because by the
Speaker 3: time he was announced I basically already wrote too much.
Speaker 3: RFK will get his own future episode. But it's pretty
Speaker 3: it's pretty safe to assume that RFK in control of
Speaker 3: Health and Human Services is pretty bad.
Speaker 4: You don't say, you don't say yeah.
Speaker 3: People are saying it not great to have the world's
Speaker 3: weirdest conspiracy theorist of the Kennedy family in charge of
Speaker 3: you know, like vaccines and health mandates, and it's gonna
Speaker 3: be bad, bad enough that it's that it's its own
Speaker 3: episode for the rest of the nominations, mostly like last week, right,
Speaker 3: this is going to be covering all the nominations in
Speaker 3: the week of the eleventh to the fifteenth of November.
Speaker 3: We're going to kind of go through nomination by nomination
Speaker 3: and do a brief overview of each of these guys
Speaker 3: and why each one could be bad, and some of
Speaker 3: them just kind of point to like more general like
Speaker 3: neocon picks as well. Trump kind of started off with
Speaker 3: some more ordinary picks honestly, like you know, like Mark Rubio,
Speaker 3: a Secretary of State. This is this is kind of
Speaker 3: a restrained pick for him. Now Rubio is still kind
Speaker 3: of converted into being a Trump loyalist like every single
Speaker 3: other person we're going to be talking about, and it
Speaker 3: is interesting that kind of among all of the Trump appointees,
Speaker 3: he has been the most open about his criticisms of Trump,
Speaker 3: especially during Trump's first term. The leaked five hundred and
Speaker 3: fifty one page a VP vetting document produced by the
Speaker 3: Trump campaign outlines Rubio's anti Putin comments, support for the
Speaker 3: Miller investigation, his acceptance of the twenty twenty election results,
Speaker 3: passed comments that Trump is too dangerous to be trusted
Speaker 3: with nuclear codes, and his history of supporting NATO, support
Speaker 3: of the Iraq War, and pro military intervention in Iran
Speaker 3: and Syria. So some of these positions now kind of
Speaker 3: bump up against what Trump's next term is going to
Speaker 3: be kind of defined by and like. More recently, Rubio
Speaker 3: has moved on from his Tea Party free trade kind
Speaker 3: of roots and now advocates for more tariffs on China
Speaker 3: and calling the country quote the most advanced adversary America
Speaker 3: has ever faced, unquote Basically all of the kind of
Speaker 3: foreign policy guys are really big on China. They are
Speaker 3: all China hawks. That there's kind of one continuous through
Speaker 3: line throughout all these nominations. I guess, James, do you
Speaker 3: have any thoughts on mark Rubio for Secretary of State?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Marco Rubio, I don't have a lot of thoughts
Speaker 5: with Marko Rubio. I always expecting get All to be
Speaker 5: more along the lines of heck, thest like more to
Speaker 5: be like culture war commentators. Yeah, like, at least Rubio,
Speaker 5: I will say, like, I'd probably disagree with him on
Speaker 5: almost everything, but he's he's not going to probably abandon
Speaker 5: the YPG and the YPG and SDF in Syria, which
Speaker 5: is a good thing. He's he's pretty hawkish on that.
Speaker 5: He's not a big out of one fan, So like
Speaker 5: that's a good thing. I guess, Like I think as
Speaker 5: Secretary of States under Trump, go like it could have
Speaker 5: been fucking Tucker Carlson, like that, that's not out of
Speaker 5: the realm of possibility.
Speaker 2: At this rate.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And uh, it's well, he spends all
Speaker 5: his time watching Fox News, right, Like that's what we've
Speaker 5: heard that he does. And it's not inconceivable that he
Speaker 5: thinks these people are experts because they're presented that way
Speaker 5: and that is how he encounters and thus perceives world.
Speaker 5: So I guess Rubio and even amongst these picks, he's
Speaker 5: probably not the worst, which is wild to be saying.
Speaker 4: So is the review in Mark Rubio could be worse?
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess so.
Speaker 5: I mean that's the review of Mark Rubio's life, isn't
Speaker 5: it that that's pretty much how he's gone through the world. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I think his parents would agree with us.
Speaker 3: Ouch Rubio is no Pete hegseeth Secretary of Defense. Yeah,
Speaker 3: which was one of the first picks that like really sharted,
Speaker 3: raising some eyebrows.
Speaker 4: Wild pick, wild pick.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, what he does an a cog tattooed on his bicep.
Speaker 6: Stop sending us that photo over him without a shirt
Speaker 6: on perps seen it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, never send us any cabinet member shirtless. I don't
Speaker 5: care if it's RFK, I don't care if his head set.
Speaker 6: I don't want to see a nipple I thought I
Speaker 6: didn't like it. I don't need to see it again.
Speaker 6: Yank you so much.
Speaker 3: I feel like everyone's pretty well aware now that he
Speaker 3: has some very questionable Christian nationalist tattoos. Honey, not not
Speaker 3: super uncommon. And you know in this for like this
Speaker 3: type of like military guy he got.
Speaker 5: The more washed ways out. He got them in his
Speaker 5: late thirties.
Speaker 3: That also makes sense. That feels like a very midlife crisis.
Speaker 3: Oh no, I'm a Fox and Friends weekend host now
Speaker 3: kind of move.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, better up my molon Larbie game.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: There's a lot to be said about Pete Hank Seth.
Speaker 3: He's a Princeton and Harvard graduate who has also claimed
Speaker 3: that germs are not real and he has never washed
Speaker 3: his hands in the last ten years. Disgusting. Germs are
Speaker 3: not real. I can't see them, therefore they're not real.
Speaker 3: So that's lovely gross.
Speaker 6: You can't.
Speaker 4: What a fucking idiot, but absolute moron god.
Speaker 3: He's advocated against divorce for families with kids until he
Speaker 3: was caught cheating on his second wife with his producer,
Speaker 3: fathered a child, and then divorced his wife to Mary,
Speaker 3: his coworker many searchcases. In general, he's just very chud
Speaker 3: codd right. He has like he has like a grunt
Speaker 3: style fashion, Christian nationalist tattoos. He looks like the type
Speaker 3: of guy that I would have doxed for fun as
Speaker 3: a teenager. Except he just serves on Fox and Friends'
Speaker 3: Weekend hosting a team. He served in Guantanamo Bay, Iraq
Speaker 3: and Afghanistan and the Army National Guard, and has recently
Speaker 3: advocated that women should not serve in combat roles in
Speaker 3: the US military.
Speaker 2: I'm straight up.
Speaker 7: Just saying we should not have women in combat roles
Speaker 7: hasn't made us more effective, hasn't made us more lethal
Speaker 7: has made fighting more complicated. We've all served with women
Speaker 7: and they're great. It just our institutions don't have to
Speaker 7: incentivize that in places where traditionally not traditionally over human history,
Speaker 7: men in those positions are more capable.
Speaker 5: Yes, and well take so much should be happening in
Speaker 5: the military.
Speaker 2: He sure does.
Speaker 3: I'm going to read a quote from his book The
Speaker 3: War on Warriors, Big Si Whotox say, the Republican Party
Speaker 3: by default has become the only party of America. And
Speaker 3: if we don't crusade a holy war, a righteous, holy
Speaker 3: war for freedom, we're not going to save America.
Speaker 2: Unquote.
Speaker 3: In general, a lot of his rhetoric kind of is
Speaker 3: this similar Christian nationalist crusade holy war type stuff. This
Speaker 3: is like a lot of what he talks about on
Speaker 3: podcasts and TV appearances where he is not throwing a
Speaker 3: double sided axe at the penus of a West Point
Speaker 3: drummer or live TV.
Speaker 5: It was incredible. It was indirect fire. He arcd it
Speaker 5: over the target, straight to the dick and balls of
Speaker 5: the West Point drama.
Speaker 6: I just feel like, if he's gonna like somebody tell
Speaker 6: him what a microscope is, Somebody just tell him what
Speaker 6: a microscope is.
Speaker 5: He must have used binoculars at some point in his service,
Speaker 5: or some kind of magnified optic right to learn to
Speaker 5: see things. I mean, he has a magnified optic tattooed
Speaker 5: on his bicep. Actually, he should does good.
Speaker 6: I mean, like, if you're gonna be Secretary of Defense,
Speaker 6: at least like, oh.
Speaker 4: Sir, wash your hands.
Speaker 3: Arguably, the most worrying part about Pete as Secretary of
Speaker 3: Defense is not the anti handwashing beliefs or the poor
Speaker 3: aim for ax throwing. It's that he's basically a lobbyist
Speaker 3: for war criminals. Yes, and it was a big part
Speaker 3: of the campaign to push Trump to pardon several convicted
Speaker 3: war criminals, people who like tortured and murdered prisoners and
Speaker 3: ordered soldiers to shoot and kill random, unarmed civilians.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So, especially with this Secretary of Defense role, that's not great.
Speaker 3: That he's essentially pro war criminal and justifies it by saying, like,
Speaker 3: people don't really understand what it's like to serve in combat.
Speaker 3: Sometimes you have to make decisions and blah blah blah
Speaker 3: blah blah, all this random stuff not good. Sources within
Speaker 3: the government have called him the most unqualified person ever
Speaker 3: appointed to this position, which I do I do believe
Speaker 3: because this is just a guy that Trump sees on TV.
Speaker 3: This is just a TV host. Yeah, this is one
Speaker 3: of the more shocking nominations. Yeah, let's move on to
Speaker 3: Secretary of Homeland Security. Ugh, this is another odd pick.
Speaker 3: Christine Nome, the non border state governor of South Dakota,
Speaker 3: who has no experience in the DHS, has never worked
Speaker 3: in law enforcement, though she does possess one trademark cop trait.
Speaker 4: Oh yes, oh yes she does.
Speaker 3: And what would that be here, which is shooting and
Speaker 3: killing dogs?
Speaker 2: Yep, awful person.
Speaker 3: So that is one thing she might bond with our
Speaker 3: law enforcement community over.
Speaker 6: Which we all know about because she wrote about it
Speaker 6: in her own fucking book.
Speaker 4: Girl.
Speaker 5: Yeah, incriminating herself another cop trait, So true, so true.
Speaker 5: She did deploy the South Dakota National Guard to the border,
Speaker 5: and I think they used they received private financing for it,
Speaker 5: if I remember correctly. Yeah. See, like that's her engagement.
Speaker 5: That one again is troubling. So much power the DHS.
Speaker 4: It's such an odd pick.
Speaker 3: All of these picks where I'm talking about, some of
Speaker 3: them do seem odd, but not from the point of
Speaker 3: view that Trump is basically picking people that one are
Speaker 3: like in his constant orbit, like a guy on TV,
Speaker 3: but also people that are not like institutionalists.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 3: These aren't like people who like worked their way up
Speaker 3: through these government departments to prove their effectiveness, to prove
Speaker 3: their legitimacy. They are people that have proven their personal
Speaker 3: loyalty to Trump.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 3: Trump's first campaign was kind of defined by a whole
Speaker 3: bunch of people defecting from him. Right, everyone he's appointed
Speaker 3: eventually gotten to beefs with him. People you know left,
Speaker 3: wrote books about how bad Trump is. Eventually Trump faced
Speaker 3: all these prosecutions. Trump's main concern is like loyalty right now,
Speaker 3: So he's picking people that just have proven their own loyalty,
Speaker 3: and from that point of view, all of his picks
Speaker 3: make sense. Almost everyone picked here at least at some point,
Speaker 3: appeared on screen with Trump in his like twenty twenty
Speaker 3: four campaign six part documentary. Like all of these guys
Speaker 3: so like they were around Trump's orbit from pretty early
Speaker 3: on in his campaign now. According to Politico, Christinome was
Speaker 3: recommended by twenty six campaign chief Corey Lewandowski, and his
Speaker 3: incoming borders are Tom Homan.
Speaker 4: Lewandowski sucks.
Speaker 6: Yes, gonna give him a honorary You suck, Lewandowski.
Speaker 3: Her appointment is evidence of Trump's centralizing power and departmental
Speaker 3: influence tightly within the White House. Mark Krekorian, executive director
Speaker 3: of the far right Center for Immigration Studies, has postulated
Speaker 3: that the immigration branches of DHS will largely be puppeteered
Speaker 3: by Stephen Miller and the New Borders are who has
Speaker 3: a lot of DHS experience, while NOME could be more
Speaker 3: focused on overseeing FEMA, TSA and Secret Service. Another aspect
Speaker 3: of Trump just appointing these wildly incompetent people is that
Speaker 3: more of these departments can just be run out of
Speaker 3: the White House, specifically by his senior advisors and Steven Miller, right, like,
Speaker 3: those are the types of people that are going to
Speaker 3: be largely overseeing the direction of these departments, while basically
Speaker 3: these figureheads just to do their bidding.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I had worried that he would appoint Stephen Miller directly.
Speaker 2: To you, I understand that fear. I think part of
Speaker 2: the fear is that he just doesn't have to.
Speaker 5: Yes, I know you're right.
Speaker 3: In fact, Steven Miller can have more power by having
Speaker 3: his myths in more departments in his current role, which
Speaker 3: we will get to later, But first let's talk about
Speaker 3: Tulci Gabbard. That's the appointed Director of National Intelligence, which
Speaker 3: is crazy crazy Yeah, Now, like no, Gabbard is shockingly
Speaker 3: unqualified and she would be overseeing eighteen intelligence agencies, having
Speaker 3: never worked in the intelligence field or served on a
Speaker 3: Congressional intelligence committee. Her nomination was first announced by Roger
Speaker 3: Stone on info Wars now owned by The Onion owned
Speaker 3: the Onion. But that was, like, that was how this
Speaker 3: news broke. That kind of also tells you about like
Speaker 3: what information channels are getting like funneled down from Trump's team.
Speaker 3: If Roger Stone was the first guy to announce it
Speaker 3: before Trump even announced it in his like truth socialing.
Speaker 6: It just is she's such a concertspiracy theorists that just
Speaker 6: it does kind of make sense.
Speaker 3: She is an anti vaccine conspiracy theorist with a history
Speaker 3: of spreading Russian disinformation propaganda during the invasion of Ukraine.
Speaker 3: Gabru was also openly pro ASAD in twenty fifteen, secretly
Speaker 3: met with Assad in twenty seventeen, and then a year
Speaker 3: later Gabard peddled Syrian war crime denial, saying that she
Speaker 3: was quote unquote skeptical of intelligence findings that Assad carried
Speaker 3: out chemical weapons attacks. While parenting Russian talking points in
Speaker 3: February twenty twenty two, she blamed Joe Biden for the
Speaker 3: war in Ukraine for not alleviating Russia's fear of Ukraine
Speaker 3: possibly joining NATO. I'm going to quote from NBC news quote.
Speaker 3: During her twenty twenty presidential bid, Russian state propaganda often
Speaker 3: portrayed Gabbard favorably while it demigrated the other Democratic candidates,
Speaker 3: including Joe Biden. According to research from the Foreign Policy
Speaker 3: Research Institute of Philadelphia based think tank, less than a
Speaker 3: month into her presidential campaign, there were at least twenty
Speaker 3: Gabbard stories on three major Moscow based English language websites
Speaker 3: affiliated or supportive of the Russian government, which celebrated her candidacy.
Speaker 2: Unquote.
Speaker 5: That's very funny because twenty Gabbart stories is probably the
Speaker 5: net totals that the entire US media wrote throughout her run.
Speaker 3: Like it is widely speculated that Gabbard is a de
Speaker 3: facto Russian agent, or at the very least is very
Speaker 3: comfortable just spreading Russian propaganda and spreading like pro Putin
Speaker 3: and pro Russian talking points.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it could be one of those things where she's
Speaker 5: not actually she's like too fucking glowing to be an agent,
Speaker 5: and she's in fact just doing this shit voluntarily by accident.
Speaker 3: Like it's certainly possible. I mean the Syrian warcrime denial
Speaker 3: and meeting with the sad stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that stuff is pretty glowing.
Speaker 3: And Russia certainly has an invested interest in promoting Gabbard right,
Speaker 3: So at the very least, even this isn't intentional on
Speaker 3: her part, Russia is very willing to jump on this.
Speaker 3: And the fact that she's now going to be the
Speaker 3: head of all of our spy agency programs. Uh okay, cool,
Speaker 3: sounds great.
Speaker 6: Cool.
Speaker 3: She also comes from a family of anti gay activists
Speaker 3: and is tied to an anti Muslim and anti gay
Speaker 3: cult called the Science of Identity. The leader has called
Speaker 3: Muslims and Fsler's quote unquote demons. In two thousand and four,
Speaker 3: Tulsi herself accused the newspaper The Honolulu of being the
Speaker 3: mouthpiece for quote unquote homosexual extremists. Insert joke about mouthpiece
Speaker 3: homosexual anyway, Now, Tulsia's family and campaign staff were all
Speaker 3: active members of the cult during her twenty twenty presidential campaign,
Speaker 3: during which she also produced a list of enemies that
Speaker 3: named prominent journalists who were against Tulsia's own history of
Speaker 3: war crime denial.
Speaker 5: Amazing. Oh boy, yeah, sorry, we got snubbed there.
Speaker 2: Hey, I mean it was twenty nineteen, right, you.
Speaker 5: Know, yeah, I can dream of making.
Speaker 2: We still have a chance of being put on their
Speaker 2: list of enemies.
Speaker 5: You know what, Garrison, if we are accused of crimes,
Speaker 5: how will we fund defense.
Speaker 3: Through these products and services that support this podcast? That's correct, Okay,
Speaker 3: we are back. It's time to talk about who might
Speaker 3: be prosecuting a list of political enemies, and that would
Speaker 3: be the possible new Attorney.
Speaker 2: General, Matt Gates.
Speaker 3: Oh boy, So Matt Gates is one of these congress
Speaker 3: people who has built an outsized reputation through television appearances
Speaker 3: and TV news soundbites. He's always quick to jump to
Speaker 3: the defense of Trump and advocate for extreme positions within
Speaker 3: the party. His behavior displays a desperate need for attention
Speaker 3: and willingness to sacrifice his own effectiveness as a congressman
Speaker 3: for simply going viral. This performative nature is made a
Speaker 3: little bit more uncanny by the bizarre fact that Gates
Speaker 3: grew up in the house from the Truman Show, which
Speaker 3: his family still owns.
Speaker 5: You, I did not know that.
Speaker 4: I did not know that, But that is what.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes so much sense though.
Speaker 3: Look at all of his gambits and bits in Congress,
Speaker 3: and if you frame that within someone who was raised
Speaker 3: in the Truman Show house, it makes perfect sense.
Speaker 9: Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he is not necessarily a popular pick among kind
Speaker 3: of again, like institutionalists in the Republican Party. The famously
Speaker 3: liberal Wall Street Journal ran the headline quote, Matt Gates
Speaker 3: is a bad choice for Attorney General. He's a nominee
Speaker 3: for those who want the law to be used for
Speaker 3: political revenge and it won't end well unquote now. Hours
Speaker 3: after this announcement, Gates suddenly resigned from the House, and
Speaker 3: Speaker Johnson said that he hopes to work with Governor
Speaker 3: DeSantis to fast track a special election to get the
Speaker 3: seat filled as early as January.
Speaker 10: I think, out of deference to us, he issued his
Speaker 10: resignation letter effective immediately of Congress. That caught us by
Speaker 10: surprise a little bit, But I asked him what the
Speaker 10: reasoning was and he said, well, you can't have too
Speaker 10: many absences. So under Florida state law, there's about an
Speaker 10: eight week period to select and fill in a vacancy.
Speaker 10: People have asked me all day long, President Trump is
Speaker 10: poaching all of your talent.
Speaker 2: Yes, we have an embarrassment of riches here.
Speaker 10: The Republican Conference is full of talented people who are
Speaker 10: extraordinary leaders and have great expertise. And everyone in this Congress,
Speaker 10: in this conference could serve in a leadership position in
Speaker 10: the administration.
Speaker 4: It's so bizarre a little bit.
Speaker 3: But there's one little curious fact about Gates a quick resignation,
Speaker 3: well yes, is that this happened just days before a
Speaker 3: House Ethics investigation was set to vote on the release
Speaker 3: of a report looking into the sex trafficking allegations against
Speaker 3: Matt Gates. According to ABC News, the woman at the
Speaker 3: center of the DOJ's probe of Representative Matt Gates testified
Speaker 3: to the House Ethics Committee that the now former Florida
Speaker 3: congressman had sex with her when she was seventeen years old,
Speaker 3: to quote ABC quote. The woman's allegation regarding Gates became
Speaker 3: part of the investigation following claims by former Seminole County
Speaker 3: tax collector Joel Greenberg, a former friend of Gates who
Speaker 3: is currently serving an eleven year prison sentence after reaching
Speaker 3: a deal with investigators in May of twenty twenty one
Speaker 3: in which he pleaded guilty to multiple federal crimes, including
Speaker 3: sex trafficking of the woman when she was a miner
Speaker 3: and introducing her to other quote unquote adult men who
Speaker 3: also had sex with her when she was under age.
Speaker 3: The committee also obtained a sworn written statement by Gates's
Speaker 3: ex girlfriend where she lists the Florida congressman as one
Speaker 3: of the attendees at a party in July twenty seventeen
Speaker 3: where drugs were present and which was attended by the
Speaker 3: woman who Gates allegedly has sex with when she was
Speaker 3: a minor. Some witnesses show venmo payments that they allegedly
Speaker 3: received from Gates unquote. So I guess the end goal
Speaker 3: of the QAnon movement is just putting a pedophile in
Speaker 3: charge of the DOJ serving as attorney general over the
Speaker 3: entire country. Also, Gates made a really bad joke a
Speaker 3: few years ago, responding to a Twitter post about how
Speaker 3: people can be like beautiful.
Speaker 2: At any age.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and Gates responded by saying this should be
Speaker 3: Florida's state motto, and that tweet.
Speaker 2: Is still ugh.
Speaker 5: Wasn't it sexy at anyth It is sexy? It Oh
Speaker 5: my god, it's us.
Speaker 2: Oh that's so bad.
Speaker 3: But no, Gates isn't super popular even within like large
Speaker 3: parts of the party. It's reported from other Congressmen that
Speaker 3: he would like walk up to them and like show
Speaker 3: them sex tapes he made with people he's like having
Speaker 3: sex with.
Speaker 4: He's a fucking creep.
Speaker 2: He's really icky.
Speaker 4: Ew.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 3: There's arguments that like maybe he won't get past like confirmation, right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: And here's here's the thing, he might not have to.
Speaker 3: Trump is currently working with the Speaker of the House
Speaker 3: as well as the new Senate majority leader to possibly
Speaker 3: just close Congress and push all these guys through in
Speaker 3: recess appointments, so they might not even have to get
Speaker 3: past the confirmation process. Now, this still remains to be seen,
Speaker 3: and as Matt Johnson said in the clip before, he's
Speaker 3: a little worried that Trump just keeps picking congressman, which
Speaker 3: is slowly eating away at the House's slim Republican majority.
Speaker 3: Johnson said that he as quote unquote begged and pleaded
Speaker 3: with Trump to stop coaching House representatives to protect their majority.
Speaker 3: At this point, at least five congressmen have been tapped
Speaker 3: to serve in the Trump administration, with more expected. Now
Speaker 3: Gates might have someone assisting him as Deputy Attorney General
Speaker 3: with a little bit more prosecution experience. That is Todd
Speaker 3: blanche who is Trump's personal defense lawyer, who earlier this
Speaker 3: year oversaw multiple indictments against Trump. So Trump just picked
Speaker 3: his own lawyer to be like, yeah, you're like the
Speaker 3: second guy in charge. Go help out Gates.
Speaker 5: I know this will be fine.
Speaker 3: The White House Chief of Staff is Susie Wills, who's
Speaker 3: as very successful Republican campaign operator. She worked on Rick
Speaker 3: Scott's and Ron DeSantis' governatorial campaigns as well as Trump's
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four presidential campaign. She's kind of one of
Speaker 3: the few like legacy establishment figures that Trump has tapped.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: Deputy chief of Staff is Steven Miller, the great replacement.
Speaker 3: White nationalist and anti immigrant extremist, will be returning to
Speaker 3: the White House as Assistant to the President and a
Speaker 3: Deputy chief of Staff for Policy and Homeland security advisor.
Speaker 3: So he's not just the head of whole ind Security.
Speaker 3: He has his pause in multiple little departments and also
Speaker 3: is like directly next to the president's ear.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: In Trump's first term, Miller was the architect of the
Speaker 3: family separation policy, the Muslim ban, and the end of DACA.
Speaker 3: Miller has advocated for denaturalization of American citizens and has
Speaker 3: called for the use of National Guard troops from Republican
Speaker 3: governed states to be deployed in blue states to carry
Speaker 3: out in tournament of migrants in military camps and deportations
Speaker 3: in states that are uncooperative with Trump's mass deportation plans.
Speaker 3: James Jefny things to add here on Stephen Miller. This
Speaker 3: is kind of your department.
Speaker 5: Miller is scary because he's actually very effective, Like so
Speaker 5: often these right wing kind of plot hinge on these
Speaker 5: bizarre legal theories, right, which I would say far from
Speaker 5: accepted by mainstream god of jurispudents. Yeah, Miller did very
Speaker 5: well at finding antiquated laws that could stick the landing
Speaker 5: in the court to do the evil shit he wanted
Speaker 5: to do.
Speaker 3: Like the Alien Enemies Act of seventeen ninety something.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean he did that with Title forty two,
Speaker 5: which is a law that's designed to stop people with
Speaker 5: tuberculosis just walking across the border. Right, And he's successfully
Speaker 5: and he planned this before the pandemic. He's successfully used
Speaker 5: that to effectively allow border patrol to immediately deport people
Speaker 5: without giving them their right to claim asylum. And that
Speaker 5: was a policy that Trump did and that Biden continued
Speaker 5: till twenty twenty three. Right, Like, Miller is good if
Speaker 5: we look at the last term at finding ways to Yeah,
Speaker 5: he's effective. He's scarily effective to me.
Speaker 2: He's always been the scariest guy in Trump's orbit.
Speaker 5: Yes, but yeah, because he's competent and like by far,
Speaker 5: and he stays out of the limelight for the large
Speaker 5: part and that allows him to not have to defend
Speaker 5: his evil shit and just get on with doing it.
Speaker 3: When I watched that six part documentary, but the behind
Speaker 3: the scenes of Trump's campaign, Seila Miller was in almost
Speaker 3: every scene. Yes, he was always like in the background,
Speaker 3: always in the background, just just saying things to Trump.
Speaker 3: Like he's he is a constant presence there. Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: quite frightening. Now moving on, the guy nominated for National
Speaker 3: Security Advisor is named Mike Walls. He's a neo Khon.
Speaker 3: He's an anti assadist, pro Ukraine. He's advocated to take
Speaker 3: the cuffs off Ukraine to allow them to make strikes
Speaker 3: further into Russia. He was also the former counter terrorism
Speaker 3: advisor to Dick Cheney when when he was VP.
Speaker 4: He's super pro Israel too.
Speaker 2: Oh, everyone I list here is pro Israel. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: pretty much.
Speaker 3: This is one of the most like openly pro war guys, right,
Speaker 3: someone like this guy who's historically kind of like the
Speaker 3: anti Tulsi Gabbard. Yeah, yeah, takes the opposite stance on
Speaker 3: almost every single issue. He's he he's a neo Khon,
Speaker 3: He's anti Asad, he's anti Putin.
Speaker 5: He's a member of the Kurdish Caucus in Congress. Actually
Speaker 5: interesting interesting, Yeah, I mean yeah, I hope he bounces
Speaker 5: out some of some of those crazy more like a
Speaker 5: sadist sort of or just Trump's natural tendency to see
Speaker 5: a strong man in to one and being like, yeah,
Speaker 5: you go for it money.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 2: He was the first Green Beret to serve in Congress
Speaker 2: and has advocated the use of military intel to combat
Speaker 2: drug cartels and co sponsored legislation to authorize the use
Speaker 2: of military force against cartels. In Mexico. Great guy.
Speaker 3: Another kind of more standard establishment pick, still not good,
Speaker 3: but a little bit more standard is CIA director John Ratcliffe.
Speaker 3: Briefly served as Director of Natural Intelligence near the end
Speaker 3: of Trump's first term and helped to defend Trump during
Speaker 3: impeachment hearings. He is more of like a standard pick,
Speaker 3: but like everyone else on this list, he has demonstrated
Speaker 3: fierce loyalty to Trump. EPA advisor Lee Zelden, a former
Speaker 3: New York congressman, no environmental or conservation experience, just an
Speaker 3: ordinary anti regulation conservative. After his announcement, Zelman wrote, quote,
Speaker 3: we will restore US energy dominance, revitalize our auto industry,
Speaker 3: to bring back American jobs, and make the US the
Speaker 3: global leader of AI unquote, which does not point to
Speaker 3: much environmental protection. I'm going to quote from the New Republic.
Speaker 3: Zelden voted to cut EPA funding, scrap its chemical risk
Speaker 3: assessment program, and block the agency from taking action to
Speaker 3: restrict carbon pollution. He missed the twenty seventeen vote on
Speaker 3: whether to defund the EPA's criminal law enforcement program, but
Speaker 3: voted to prohibit funds from being used for this purpose
Speaker 3: the prior year unquote. After going to the R and C.
Speaker 6: His emails were the worst email thread that I got
Speaker 6: added to his emails are so unhinged.
Speaker 2: Truly the worst thing you have ever done.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Zelden worst emails, so which actually makes sense that
Speaker 6: he wants to be a global leader of AI. Yes,
Speaker 6: that's probably what all his emails were.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's pretty safe to assume that basically any
Speaker 3: progress that we have made on climate very minuscule, will
Speaker 3: be immediately undone and we will just make a negative
Speaker 3: progress in the next four years with someone like Lee
Speaker 3: Zelden in charge of the EPA, which already has very
Speaker 3: little regulatory power, but it's about to have a lot less.
Speaker 3: Let's discuss borders are Tom Homan, former ICE director. He
Speaker 3: oversaw the family separation policy in twenty seventeen and has
Speaker 3: since said that American born citizens should be deported with
Speaker 3: their family to avoid separating families. He's advocated treating cartels
Speaker 3: like foreign terrorist organizations that Trump will used the full
Speaker 3: bite of the US Special operations to take out. He
Speaker 3: also wrote the border section of Project twenty twenty five, James,
Speaker 3: do you have anything to say on our new borders?
Speaker 2: Are?
Speaker 5: It's kind of troubling because again, You've got someone here
Speaker 5: who is competent, right, who has worked at high levels
Speaker 5: in government. He's an Obama appointee.
Speaker 2: Right, he's worked at ice like forever.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, Like when Obama was setting records
Speaker 5: for deportations, Homan was doing it, which I think tells
Speaker 5: you everything about you know, the shit that we forget
Speaker 5: about Obama. But yeah, like again troubling because Homan is
Speaker 5: a real hawk on this stuff and has previously been Like,
Speaker 5: he was effective at doing family separation, right, and it
Speaker 5: wasn't particularly organized, as we've seen, it's difficult for people
Speaker 5: to find and reunite the families. They've been doing it
Speaker 5: ever since Trump left office. But he was effective at
Speaker 5: getting that shit done. And that worries me in terms
Speaker 5: of deportations because I will need to scale up massively,
Speaker 5: as we spoke about, and like that will require someone
Speaker 5: with leadership experience, and he has that. Like then that
Speaker 5: is concerning.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about some more diplomatic roles For ambassador to
Speaker 3: the UN. Trump has named Elise Stephanic, who has no
Speaker 3: diplomatic experience but has been extremely vocally pro Israel. She
Speaker 3: harshly interrogated university presidents amid campus protests against the genocide
Speaker 3: and Gaza, and is consistently advocated against US participation in
Speaker 3: the UN and now is going to be the UN
Speaker 3: ambassador to quote from the New Republic quote. In a
Speaker 3: statement last week, Stefanic harolded Israel's decision to ban the
Speaker 3: United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in
Speaker 3: the Near East or UNRA, from operating in Israel, the
Speaker 3: West Bank and Gaza, claiming that the seventy four year
Speaker 3: old aid program quote instills anti Semitic hate in Palestinians
Speaker 3: and houses weapons for terrorists unquote. She's also called on
Speaker 3: the United States to defund the refugee program, criticizing the
Speaker 3: Biden administration for issuing one billion dollars to UNRA since
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2: Unquote.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this is like a typical talking point of like
Speaker 5: right zionists, right that the United Nations is somehow an
Speaker 5: arm of Hamas and the UNRAH, the United Nations Refugee
Speaker 5: Welfare Agency is actively funneling weapons to Hamas, and like
Speaker 5: it's just not true. It's it's an excuse for targeting
Speaker 5: AID workers in Gaza.
Speaker 3: The UN already has such little control over any degree
Speaker 3: of like enforcement for like humanitarian aid, and having this
Speaker 3: person be the US ambassador to UN will make what
Speaker 3: little power they have even like diminished. Yes, just last October,
Speaker 3: she called for a quote a complete reassessment of US
Speaker 3: funding of the United Nations unquote, after calls from the
Speaker 3: Palestinian authority to expel Israel from the UN for war
Speaker 3: crimes and human rights abuses. Now the ambassador to Israel
Speaker 3: is set to be Mike Huckabee, the former governor of
Speaker 3: Arkansas and evangelical Christian Zionist. Similarly, he has no diplomatic experience.
Speaker 3: I'm going to quote from the Atlantic quote. He has
Speaker 3: led religious pilgrimages to Israel and visited the country dozens
Speaker 3: of times over the course of several decades. He also
Speaker 3: opposes a two state solution to the Israel Palestine conflict
Speaker 3: and says that quote there's really no such thing as
Speaker 3: a Palestinian unquote. He is really bad. Mike Hkakabee is
Speaker 3: really bad. Yeah, that's pretty bad. He has also advocated
Speaker 3: for Israel to permanently annex and take control of the
Speaker 3: West Bank, and he like legitimately believes in a religious
Speaker 3: political ideology to return all Jewish people to the Holy
Speaker 3: Land of Israel to trigger the biblical apocalypse resulting in
Speaker 3: the death of all Jews.
Speaker 11: My feelings personally, and I'm speaking only as a person,
Speaker 11: I think Israel would only be acting on the property
Speaker 11: it already owns. I think Israel has titled the Judea
Speaker 11: and Samaria. There are certain words I refuse to use.
Speaker 11: There is no such thing as a West Bank. It's
Speaker 11: Judy and Samaria. There's no such thing as a settlement,
Speaker 11: their communities, their neighborhoods, their cities. There's no such thing
Speaker 11: as an occupation.
Speaker 3: This is why he believes this. This isn't like out
Speaker 3: of care in his heart for Jewish people. It's that
Speaker 3: he wants to trigger the apocalypse, and to do this
Speaker 3: he needs to both like eliminate all Palestinians, give total
Speaker 3: control of the land to Israel, make all Jewish people
Speaker 3: live there so that Jesus can come again and do
Speaker 3: the wars and blah blah.
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah, all that kind of stuff. It's nasty. Yeah.
Speaker 3: The last diplomatic pick here is Middle East Envoy Steve Whitkoff,
Speaker 3: who's a Trump campaign fundraiser and a real estate developer.
Speaker 3: He has no diplomatic or foreign policy experience pro Israel.
Speaker 3: He'll basically just be assisting in all of the bad
Speaker 3: things that everyone else have already named is going to
Speaker 3: be doing.
Speaker 6: Wait, sorry, my brain just broke. So so the Middle
Speaker 6: East Envoy is just like a real estate investor guy. Yep, yep,
Speaker 6: that seems I mean, I mean, yeah, it is it
Speaker 6: much better than Jared is going to do peace in
Speaker 6: the Middle East like last time.
Speaker 3: Yes, you can look at this similarly to like Jared
Speaker 3: Kushner's proposals to like develop what once was Gaza and
Speaker 3: just like viewing wars in the Middle East as a
Speaker 3: real estate development opportunity. You can see a guy like
Speaker 3: this kind of in line with that side of like
Speaker 3: the Trump campaign.
Speaker 6: Jared's got to handle it, and we're going to handle
Speaker 6: these ad breaks.
Speaker 2: All right, we are back.
Speaker 3: It's time to discuss the elephant in the room.
Speaker 5: God genuinely, but my mind.
Speaker 4: Are we Dojing?
Speaker 2: We are going full Doge.
Speaker 3: So I'm just going to read part of the statement
Speaker 3: from Donald Trump announcing this new government agency DOGE. More
Speaker 3: on that later quote. I am pleased to announce that
Speaker 3: the Great Elon Musk working into conjunction with American patriot
Speaker 3: the VEC Ramaswami will lead the Department of Government Efficiency DOGE.
Speaker 3: Together these two wonderful Americans will pave the way for
Speaker 3: my administration to dismantle government bureaucracy, slash excess regulation, cut
Speaker 3: wasteful expenditures, and restructure federal agencies. It will become potentially
Speaker 3: the Manhattan Project of our time. Republican politicians have dreamed
Speaker 3: about the objectives of DOGE for a long time. To
Speaker 3: drive this kind of drastic change, the Department of Government
Speaker 3: Efficiency will provide advice and guidance from outside of government
Speaker 3: and will partner with the White House and Office of
Speaker 3: Management and Budget to drive large scale structural reform and
Speaker 3: create an entrepreneurial approach to government never seen before. Their
Speaker 3: work will conclude no later than July fourth, twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3: A smaller government with more efficiency and let's bureaucracy will
Speaker 3: be the perfect gift to America on the two hundred
Speaker 3: and fiftieth anniversary of the Declaration of Independence. Unquote Jesus
Speaker 3: christ Man, So this is the new quote unquote government
Speaker 3: agency which is not real, right, this is not a
Speaker 3: real government agency. Trump just can't create one out of
Speaker 3: thin air. And in this statement it does clarify that
Speaker 3: they will be providing advice and guidance from outside of government.
Speaker 5: That's pretty funny. This is a children's table. They have
Speaker 5: the plastic cutlery.
Speaker 2: It's the children's table.
Speaker 3: Yes, he's He's sending Musk and the VEC off to
Speaker 3: the side to have their little fun. They'll make like
Speaker 3: a blog post that talks about who to cut, you
Speaker 3: know what programs to cut. Vivec specifically talked about like
Speaker 3: ending healthcare for veterans, which I'm sure will go over
Speaker 3: very well, and they'll submit that to Trump and then
Speaker 3: the people in charge of the Office of Management and
Speaker 3: Budget will probably throw it in the trash, but.
Speaker 2: We will see.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't want to understate Musk's general influence
Speaker 3: in like Trump's operations, because Musk right now does have
Speaker 3: a great deal of influence. I think this doge thing
Speaker 3: isn't something to be too worried about.
Speaker 2: Though.
Speaker 3: Now, as a as a fun side note to kind
Speaker 3: of demonstrate the nonsensical nature of this, I'm going to
Speaker 3: talk about something that Vivec has proposed. He has said
Speaker 3: that a way to cut down a government bureaucracy would
Speaker 3: be to make a list of all of the non
Speaker 3: elected government employees and fire the ones that have a
Speaker 3: Social Security number that starts or ends.
Speaker 2: With an odd number.
Speaker 3: This way, you can automatically cut seventy five percent of
Speaker 3: the workforce without having to worry about racial, gender, or
Speaker 3: political discrimination. The Vech says, quote, not a thing will
Speaker 3: have changed for the ordinary American unquote.
Speaker 5: I think that's gonna work that way.
Speaker 3: This is this is reposing cutting like two million people.
Speaker 3: Talking to front of the pod Lex Friedman. He framed
Speaker 3: this as a thought experiment, not necessarily a policy proposal,
Speaker 3: and said that a more complicated form of this idea
Speaker 3: could select to save people with quote the greatest commitment
Speaker 3: and knowledge of the constitution unquote. This is goofy, Like
Speaker 3: this is fake, Like this isn't this isn't real. He's
Speaker 3: not going to cut seventy five percent of the workforce.
Speaker 3: You should be more concerned about Schedule F, a policy
Speaker 3: that Trump will reinstate that gives him power to remove
Speaker 3: government employees at will to select for people that align
Speaker 3: with him more ideologically. Like, that's the real thing to
Speaker 3: be concerned about in terms of like government staffing. I'm
Speaker 3: not much concerned about Vivek here, though. The Washington Post
Speaker 3: did report that some Trump advisors have asked Congress for
Speaker 3: thirty five to fifty million dollars to fund the DOGE Commission.
Speaker 3: The alternative is to raise money from the private sector,
Speaker 3: which seems more likely. It's also just very funny to
Speaker 3: have like an afficiency department ran by two people, especially
Speaker 3: if you're gonna ask to spend fifty to fifty million dollars,
Speaker 3: because yeah, I'm sure the best way to improve government
Speaker 3: efficiency is to give two billionaires fifty million dollars.
Speaker 5: It's to have two people running it, running an apartment.
Speaker 5: That's great, Like that's what we need. Too many.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's also like a fake department that'll just produce
Speaker 3: like a writeup that talks about cutting Social.
Speaker 5: Security, right, and then everyone will throw it in the bin.
Speaker 2: That's all it's going to be.
Speaker 3: Musk has also gone to Twitter to try to get
Speaker 3: people to send in job applications to work for free,
Speaker 3: to like sort to sort through these like these people
Speaker 3: that should be cut from federal government. He just wants
Speaker 3: people to do work for free. So now you have
Speaker 3: people setting in job applications to Twitter. I'm sure that'll
Speaker 3: end great for those people. Part of this just feels
Speaker 3: kind of like a scheme to like coerce Trump into
Speaker 3: allowing the formation of a fake government agency to pump
Speaker 3: the value of doge coin. Like, yes, dogecoin did like
Speaker 3: boost some value after this announcement, and like this is
Speaker 3: very suspicious and like should be maybe illegal because this
Speaker 3: could just be like a cryptocurrency scheme, which is very
Speaker 3: very likely now despite the kind of goofy nature of
Speaker 3: doge and like the idea that this is basically just
Speaker 3: Musk of a beck sitting at the kids table to
Speaker 3: keep them happy while the adults take care of real business.
Speaker 3: I don't want to rush over the influence that Musk
Speaker 3: currently has on the Trump admin. Basically since election night,
Speaker 3: Musk has essentially been living with Trump at mar A.
Speaker 2: Lagos, just like the first buddy. Yes he is.
Speaker 3: He started to call himself first buddy, which makes me
Speaker 3: deeply uncomfortable.
Speaker 5: The richest man honest, yeah, first friend with benefits absolutely pathetic.
Speaker 3: Musk is reported to be giving input on staffing decisions
Speaker 3: and joining phone calls with foreign leaders on the play
Speaker 3: a clip from scenen here.
Speaker 12: Multiple sources tell me tonight that Musk has been seen
Speaker 12: at mar A Lago nearly every single day since Donald
Speaker 12: Trump won, dining with him on the patio. At times.
Speaker 12: Today they were seen on the golf course together. Musk
Speaker 12: has been in the room when world leaders have called Trump,
Speaker 12: and tonight we've learned he's also weighing in on staffing decisions,
Speaker 12: making clear his preference for certain roles. Even publicly. Tonight,
Speaker 12: Elon Musk is backing Florida Senator Rick Scott as the
Speaker 12: next leader of the Republican Conference to replace Mitch McConnell.
Speaker 12: While Musk himself is still not expected to take any
Speaker 12: kind of formal position inside Trump's administration, given how complicated
Speaker 12: it would be with his companies, what's becoming clearer tonight
Speaker 12: is that he doesn't really need to, With one source
Speaker 12: telling me Elon Musk is having just as much influence
Speaker 12: from the.
Speaker 3: Outside, NBC's reported that a source close to the transition
Speaker 3: team has told them that Musk is quote behaving as
Speaker 3: if he is co president and making sure that everyone
Speaker 3: knows it, and he's sure taking lots of credit for
Speaker 3: the president's victory, breaking about America pack and X to
Speaker 3: anyone who will listen. He's trying to make President Trump
Speaker 3: feel indebted to him, and the President is indebted to
Speaker 3: no one unquote, which is a very very fun statement
Speaker 3: from a Trump guy.
Speaker 5: It's also not true. Doesn't Trump oh loads of people money?
Speaker 5: Like empirically we know this.
Speaker 3: Yes, and currently through lawsuits, Trump does out people a
Speaker 3: lot of money. But yeah, not that that will matter
Speaker 3: at all anymore. In a meeting with House Republicans last Wednesday,
Speaker 3: Trump reportedly joked, quote, Elon won't go home. I can't
Speaker 3: get rid of him, at least until I don't like him, unquote,
Speaker 3: which kind of underscores the running bet pool that we
Speaker 3: have here at Colzone Media on when the Trump Musk
Speaker 3: falling out will happen, and we will we will keep
Speaker 3: up on this story very closely, because I really can't
Speaker 3: imagine that that Musk will stay here for too long.
Speaker 3: I'm sure he'll stay in some proximity, especially with all
Speaker 3: like the government contracts that SpaceX has, but Trump being
Speaker 3: like this close to Musk surely will result in some
Speaker 3: kind of fallout. And maybe maybe that's opium. Maybe maybe
Speaker 3: that's me just fully hopped up on hopium, But I
Speaker 3: really see able asm working to our advantage here with
Speaker 3: Trump eventually just getting sick of this guy. And I
Speaker 3: think part of what Elon's doing here as well, and
Speaker 3: other people have postilated this, including Robert is like Elon
Speaker 3: can't run for president legally, right and out again, laws
Speaker 3: might just completely go out the window here. But because
Speaker 3: Elon's on a natural born citizen like Elon can't run
Speaker 3: for president, and Elon does want power, So basically Elon's
Speaker 3: trying to become as close as he can do President
Speaker 3: Trump to be like like this source said co president right.
Speaker 3: That's kind of his end goal here is he wants
Speaker 3: to be the president and he can't, so this is
Speaker 3: as close as he can get. That is most of
Speaker 3: the main picks so far. Lastly, I'll mention like three
Speaker 3: people who worked on the Trump campaign who will now
Speaker 3: be serving as advisors, including danz Cavino, James Blair, and
Speaker 3: Taylor Buttowitch. All these guys appeared pretty frequently in the
Speaker 3: behind the scenes documentary about Trump's twenty twenty four campaign,
Speaker 3: and all three of these guys primarily focused on like
Speaker 3: weaponizing anti immigrant claims to get Trump elected. That was
Speaker 3: kind of their main focus, especially James Blair. But lastly, lastly,
Speaker 3: I do have one more person to mention, the co
Speaker 3: chair of Trump's transition team, the former CEO of WWE McMahon.
Speaker 3: She is working as the co chair for the transition team.
Speaker 3: She is the wife of A Vince McMahon now. She
Speaker 3: also served in Trump's first term as head of the
Speaker 3: Small Business Administration from twenty seventeen to twenty nineteen after
Speaker 3: two failed Senate runs in Connecticut. Now, besides co leading
Speaker 3: the President's transition team, McMahon's also the front runner to
Speaker 3: lead the Department of Commerce. Now to kind of tie
Speaker 3: this back to Matt Gates, she along with her husband,
Speaker 3: are also currently being sued for sex trafficking underage boys
Speaker 3: in the WWE. The suit alleges that WWE leadership knowingly
Speaker 3: allowed an announcer named mel Phillips to groom and molest
Speaker 3: the five plaintiffs who were hired as ring boys from
Speaker 3: the ages of.
Speaker 2: Twelve to thirteen.
Speaker 3: Ring boys basically like people who like help out on
Speaker 3: the side for you know, I see, they're kind of
Speaker 3: like performative roles. Yeah, so that's pretty fucked up. And
Speaker 3: the fact that this whole qute on movement has now
Speaker 3: resulted in two people being charged for sex trafficking or
Speaker 3: at least investigator for sex trafficking. Being this close to
Speaker 3: the Trump orbit, I'm sure, I'm sure we can just
Speaker 3: trust the plan and things and things will all things
Speaker 3: will all turn out fine. But yeah, that's a little
Speaker 3: it's a little Linda McMahon a fun fact there. So
Speaker 3: that is all I have to say at this point
Speaker 3: about the Trump cabinet picks. There's gonna be more. I know,
Speaker 3: RFK is gonna be its own nightmare that we will
Speaker 3: get to. Yeah, I guess any closing thoughts, uh, Sophie
Speaker 3: or James on this this who's who of the worst
Speaker 3: people in the country, who's gone.
Speaker 6: I've come next? And that's basically it, and and not
Speaker 6: even that after this first round and then like obviously
Speaker 6: he's gonna fucking fire some people.
Speaker 4: Who's he gonna report, who's he gonna replace them with?
Speaker 5: It will be it like Instagrammers by the end of
Speaker 5: four years.
Speaker 3: I'm sure he's really just going through all the people
Speaker 3: who have like pledged complete loyalty to him, including people
Speaker 3: who've like previously been critical but have like turned around
Speaker 3: and gotten fully on the Trump train and Like, the
Speaker 3: thing that links up all of these names is that
Speaker 3: Trump believes that they're not going to turn on him,
Speaker 3: because that was the thing that really threw a wrench
Speaker 3: in his first administration. And the reason why he's appointing
Speaker 3: all these people who are just chronically unqualified, it's because
Speaker 3: they need Trump, right, Like, if Matt Gates doesn't become
Speaker 3: ag then he's also like out of a job now
Speaker 3: because he resigned from Congress, and he'll also probably face
Speaker 3: more punishment for his alleged sex trafficking. But if he's
Speaker 3: in charge of the entire Justice Department, he's not going
Speaker 3: to get anything right. Like, a huge part of Trump
Speaker 3: like trying to become president again is to get out
Speaker 3: of all of the criminal complaints and indictments that he's
Speaker 3: been facing the past year. And now none of those matter.
Speaker 3: I'll point you to a Legal Eagle video for like
Speaker 3: why none of the convictions will matter, none of the
Speaker 3: ongoing cases will matter, All of those trials are now
Speaker 3: completely meaningless. He has gotten away with everything. Looking over
Speaker 3: this whole list, you see a lot of neo cons
Speaker 3: in foreign policy positions and like mega celebrity loyalists in
Speaker 3: domestic positions. Which makes a lot of sense for Trump
Speaker 3: trying to both like maintain his own power as well
Speaker 3: as showing off his kind of hidden neo contendencies. And
Speaker 3: this entire cabinet points towards centralizing power with just him
Speaker 3: and the White House. Right, these people are not qualified,
Speaker 3: So now Trump basically will puppeteer every department and Trump's advisors,
Speaker 3: including like Stephen Miller. So this is all about centralizing
Speaker 3: power and demanding fierce loyalty. That's what all of these
Speaker 3: appointments point towards.
Speaker 5: This is good ending. What a happy show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a great ending.
Speaker 3: You know, not all these will have happy endings, because
Speaker 3: we're currently facing a pretty rough situation. But we will
Speaker 3: have some episodes later on in this week that do
Speaker 3: point more towards what you can do to protect yourself
Speaker 3: in the coming days, including Molly's episode tomorrow, so stay
Speaker 3: tuned for that. But this is just a quick, a
Speaker 3: quick rundown on why I don't like every single person
Speaker 3: appointed to these positions.
Speaker 13: I'm Michael Phillips, an historian and the author of a
Speaker 13: book about racism in Dallas called White Metropolis, an upcoming
Speaker 13: book about the eugenics mom in Texas called the Purifying Knife.
Speaker 14: I'm Stephen Monicelli, an investigative reporter who covers political extremism
Speaker 14: in Texas and beyond.
Speaker 13: In the Pitch Start. Just before midnight on August third,
Speaker 13: twenty nineteen, Patrick Crusius took off on what would soon
Speaker 13: be an infamous journey. The young man from the Dallas
Speaker 13: suburb of Allen, Texas, had become obsessed with an idea
Speaker 13: that would soon move him to murder.
Speaker 14: That idea had been inspired in part by Renaud Camu,
Speaker 14: a French racist and race aged by the growing Muslim
Speaker 14: population in Europe. In twenty eleven, Camu had given a
Speaker 14: new name to what was actually an old idea with
Speaker 14: the publication of his book Legrand Replacement, which translates in
Speaker 14: English to the Great Replacement.
Speaker 13: Camu argued that global elites had conspired to replace the white,
Speaker 13: culturally superior population of Europe with darker skinned people, who
Speaker 13: were mostly Muslims from the Middle East and Africa. He
Speaker 13: claimed these elites had opened the door to mass migration,
Speaker 13: discouraged white reproduction, and encouraged the newcomers to intermarry with whites.
Speaker 13: This racial displacement, Camu asserted, had brought crime and terrorism
Speaker 13: to Europe and threatened the very survival of Western culture.
Speaker 14: Camu's idea predated World War Two. The Great Replacement theory
Speaker 14: hardly differed from key ideas promoted by eugenicists in Western
Speaker 14: Europe and the United States in the late nineteenth century
Speaker 14: and early twenty century. Eugenicists sought to ensure the survival
Speaker 14: of those they believed to be biologically superior. Their methods
Speaker 14: included forced sterilization and harsh immigration restrictions. Failure in this mission,
Speaker 14: they believed, would lead to white extinction. But Camu's book
Speaker 14: enraged and energized a new generation of far right extremists,
Speaker 14: not just in his native France but all around the world.
Speaker 13: Camu didn't specifically identify the elite spuzzedly responsible for what
Speaker 13: he called a reverse colonization of the European homeland, but
Speaker 13: leaders of the international far right quickly filled in the blanks.
Speaker 13: The Great Replacement conspiracy theorists insisted had been engineered by
Speaker 13: Jews who desired to destroy the Arians, who served as
Speaker 13: their only competitors for global control. In the chaos that
Speaker 13: would unfold as Europe racially darkened, Jewish people would spuzzly
Speaker 13: complete their conquests of the world's politics and finances, and
Speaker 13: would enslave and now intellectually backward global workforce.
Speaker 14: Camu's racist fever dream ricocheted around the world and left
Speaker 14: behind it a trail of blood. The dread of the
Speaker 14: Great Replacement animated a coalition of neo Nazis and other
Speaker 14: white supremacists who swarmed to Charlottesville, Virginia, on the night
Speaker 14: of August eleventh, twenty seventeen, for a quote Unite the
Speaker 14: Right rally protesting the proposed removal of a statue honoring
Speaker 14: Confederate General Robert E.
Speaker 2: Lee.
Speaker 14: Carrying tiki torches, with many wearing matching polo shirts and khakis,
Speaker 14: the extremists paraded on the grounds of the University of
Speaker 14: Virginia campus, chanting white lives Matter and a phrase directly
Speaker 14: inspired by Camu's now six year old polemic.
Speaker 2: Why not Why not Jews? Who Jews?
Speaker 13: The next day, one of the racist marchers murdered an
Speaker 13: anti racism activist, Heather Hayer Whay. He ran this car
Speaker 13: into a crowd of counter protesters. The following year, in
Speaker 13: twenty eighteen, a forty six year old white nationalist who
Speaker 13: feared a hypothetical Jewish and Muslim plot to take over America,
Speaker 13: entered the Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh's Squirrel Hill neighborhood, and,
Speaker 13: using a long rifle and three semi automatic pistols, sprayed
Speaker 13: the congregation with bullets over a period of twenty minutes,
Speaker 13: murdering eleven and wounding six. The synagogue had participated in
Speaker 13: program to aid migrants fleeing violence and poverty in Central America,
Speaker 13: charity work that prompted the murderer, Robert Bowers, to post
Speaker 13: online that such organizations quote like to bring in invaders
Speaker 13: that kill our people. I can't sit by and watch
Speaker 13: my people get slaughtered.
Speaker 14: The Great Replacement Theory and its online promoters claimed a
Speaker 14: high body count in twenty nineteen. On March fifteenth, a
Speaker 14: twenty eight year old Australian man, Brendan Terrant, live streamed
Speaker 14: his slaughter a face fifty one Muslims and the wounding
Speaker 14: of eighty nine others at two mosques in christ Church,
Speaker 14: New Zealand. Tarrant authored a seventy four page manifesto which
Speaker 14: he emailed to newspapers and television stations, as well as
Speaker 14: new Zealand's Prime minister. He repeatedly referred to the Great
Speaker 14: Replacement theory and expressed admiration for Anders Brevick, a Norwegian
Speaker 14: neo Nazi terrorist who had killed seventy seven people in
Speaker 14: twenty eleven because of his hatred for Muslims who have
Speaker 14: settled across the European continent. In his manifesto, Tarrant praised
Speaker 14: American President Donald Trump as a quote symbol of renewed
Speaker 14: white identity and common purpose.
Speaker 13: The murders inspired by the Great Replacement theory were far
Speaker 13: from over. A mass shooting claimed three lives and wounded
Speaker 13: three others at a synagogue in Powway, California, in April twenty,
Speaker 13: twenty nineteen, and three others died in seventeen more suffered
Speaker 13: injuries during an attack at the Gilroy Garlick festival in
Speaker 13: the same state on July twenty eighth. This was the
Speaker 13: heartbreaking worldwide context in which Patrick Crusius of Allen, Texas
Speaker 13: took a fatal journey just six days after the Illroy massacre.
Speaker 14: Crusius marked his twenty first birthday just the weekend before
Speaker 14: the massacre, but for the unemployed young man, it was
Speaker 14: not a happy occasion. He had grown up watching his
Speaker 14: father's struggle with chemical dependency. High school classmates described him
Speaker 14: as withdrawn, and one claimed he had been bullied by
Speaker 14: Spanish speaking students. His parents divorced, and he moved to
Speaker 14: his grandparents' home in a suburb north of Dallas called Allan,
Speaker 14: a town with a median family income of more than
Speaker 14: one hundred and twenty one thousand dollars and a history
Speaker 14: of white flight. Unemployed, Crusius spent a lot of hours
Speaker 14: on eight Chan, an online message board favored by white supremacists.
Speaker 13: Crusius had given himself a grim mission he believed no
Speaker 13: one else had the guts to carry out, According to
Speaker 13: the Dallas Morning News. Late that Friday evening, he loaded
Speaker 13: his humble twenty twelve Honda Civic with his laptop computer,
Speaker 13: one thousand rounds Apollo point bullets ear muffs in a
Speaker 13: semi automatic civilian version of an AK forty seven he
Speaker 13: had ordered online from Romania. The Texas Tribune later reported
Speaker 13: that as of twenty nineteen, Romania was exporting nine thousand
Speaker 13: AK forty sevens to the United States every year. He
Speaker 13: also brought heavily insulated gloves because that rifle, he would
Speaker 13: later complain quote overheats massively. After about one hundred shots
Speaker 13: or fired in quick succession, the college student sought to
Speaker 13: start a war one he thought he wouldn't survive, but
Speaker 13: that if others followed his example might save the country.
Speaker 14: Head of his ten hour trek westward across the vast
Speaker 14: Texas landscape, Crusius filled his gas tank and pumped himself
Speaker 14: with energy drinks. He arrived in El Paso at about
Speaker 14: eight am, first parking at a CSE's Pizza, which happened
Speaker 14: to be closed. He then cruised around the border city
Speaker 14: of Homos, most seven hundred thousand people, where sixty three
Speaker 14: percent of the population primarily speaks Spanish at home. He
Speaker 14: eventually stopped at the parking lot of a Walmart superstore
Speaker 14: nicknamed the Juarez Walmart because of the large number of
Speaker 14: customers who shopped there from across the Mexican border. About
Speaker 14: three thousand people in all reestimated to be at the
Speaker 14: retail outlet when Crusius arrived.
Speaker 13: Crusius walked inside and cased the joint for at least
Speaker 13: half an hour. He went back to his civic and
Speaker 13: sat for a while in contemplation. Hungry, he went back
Speaker 13: into the store, bought an orange, and then, after returning
Speaker 13: to his car a second time, gobbled it. He then
Speaker 13: posted online a two three hundred and eighty eight word
Speaker 13: racist screed called The Inconvenient Truth. At about ten thirty eight,
Speaker 13: Crusius stepped out of his car, weapon in hand, and
Speaker 13: began massacring Mexicans and Mexican Americans. He described in his
Speaker 13: manifesto as quote the invaders.
Speaker 2: This is an NBC News special report. Here's Jose dis Bollard.
Speaker 15: Good afternoon and update now on that deadly shooting near
Speaker 15: a busy shopping mall in El Paso, Texas. It happened
Speaker 15: at a walmart near Colo Vista Mall this morning about
Speaker 15: ten am local time. The scene is about seven miles
Speaker 15: from downtown l Paso.
Speaker 14: In about three minutes, Crusius slaughtered twenty three and wounded
Speaker 14: twenty two others. In spite of expressing a wish that
Speaker 14: he would die in the attack, Crusius surrendered. Police quickly
Speaker 14: connected Crusius to his Internet diet tribe, which he opened
Speaker 14: by saying he quote supports the christ Church shooter and
Speaker 14: his manifesto referring to Brenton Terran Crusius then pivoted to
Speaker 14: outrage over Mexican immigration in the United States. Jason Whiteley
Speaker 14: of a WFAA in Dallas reported on the manifesto's disturbing content.
Speaker 16: In the letter, the shooter describes himself as a white nationalist,
Speaker 16: a right wing extremist consumed by conspiracy theories. In short,
Speaker 16: he thinks that white people are being replaced by immigrants
Speaker 16: in this country. The letter states this attack is in
Speaker 16: response to the Hispanic.
Speaker 2: Invasion of Texas.
Speaker 16: They are the instigators, he wrote, not me. I am
Speaker 16: simply defending my country from cultural and ethnic replacement brought
Speaker 16: on by an invasion.
Speaker 13: By the time of the El Paso massacre, eighty men,
Speaker 13: women and children had been murdered by extremists inspired by
Speaker 13: the great Replacement theory in twenty nineteen alone. The carnage
Speaker 13: didn't end at Al Paso. On May fourteenth, twenty twenty two,
Speaker 13: a white suspect wrote a hateful rant he posted online
Speaker 13: before murdering ten and wounding three African Americans in a Buffalo,
Speaker 13: New York supermarket. He linked declining white birth rates to genocide.
Speaker 13: On May sixth, twenty twenty three, Mauricio Martinez Scarcia, a
Speaker 13: Latino white supremacist who embraced neo Nazi ideology, drove from
Speaker 13: his Dallas apartment to an outlet mall in Crusius's home
Speaker 13: town of Allen, tattooed with a Swaska, garcias shot to
Speaker 13: death nine people, including a three year old, and wounded
Speaker 13: seven others before being killed by a police officer. Garcia
Speaker 13: seemed to be targeting Asians and Asian Americans.
Speaker 14: Throughout this mayhem. The political right has proven eager to
Speaker 14: blame everything but the wide open gun laws in places
Speaker 14: like Texas, which made it legal for Crusius to mail
Speaker 14: order a civilian style AK forty seven. There was no
Speaker 14: interrogation of the long history of racism or of repeated
Speaker 14: Republican rhetoric depicting immigrants as dangerous, but there were other
Speaker 14: convenient excuses. In an interview on the Sunday edition of
Speaker 14: Fox and Friends shortly after the Opasser tragedy, Texas Lieutenant
Speaker 14: Governor Dan Patrick offered a menu of alternative explanations for
Speaker 14: the mass shooting, such as video games. He also suggested
Speaker 14: that public schools needed a healthy infusion of theocracy and
Speaker 14: reverence for the stars and stripes, and where are we.
Speaker 2: As a country.
Speaker 17: I look at social media, that the violence of just
Speaker 17: bullying people on social media every day, and we turn
Speaker 17: our head and we allow it. I look at on
Speaker 17: a Sunday morning when most of your viewers right now,
Speaker 17: half of the country are getting ready to go to church,
Speaker 17: and yet tomorrow we won't let our kids even pray
Speaker 17: in our schools. We have to look at ourselves as
Speaker 17: a nation. That's many factors that go into the shooting,
Speaker 17: many factors, and it's not a time to politicize at
Speaker 17: the time to look deep inside of who we are
Speaker 17: as a country where we no longer salute our flag
Speaker 17: or we throw water on law enforcement and thank god
Speaker 17: we have law enforcement.
Speaker 14: In recent years, Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick has described immigration
Speaker 14: at the southern border as an invasion that is part
Speaker 14: of a democratic plan to quote take over our country
Speaker 14: without firing a shot. In response to this alleged plan,
Speaker 14: Patrick has said that Texas has a right to defend
Speaker 14: itself from the threat of criminal invaders. In a Fox
Speaker 14: News interview in twenty twenty four, for.
Speaker 8: All those people who should come here legally processed and vetted,
Speaker 8: in that group are hundreds of thousands, thousands, and thousands
Speaker 8: of criminals, murderers, molesters, gang members, drug dealers, carjackers, kidnappers,
Speaker 8: you name it, they're part of this group and terrorist.
Speaker 13: Patrick Crusius's panic about white genocide and the violent rise
Speaker 13: of black and brown people against Western civilization had deep
Speaker 13: roots in American culture. The Texas history of segregation, white
Speaker 13: flight post September eleventh, Islamophobia, and the backlash to globalization
Speaker 13: poison Crusius' particular worldview. But perhaps the biggest factor in
Speaker 13: Crusius's murderous rampage was that he was taught to hate
Speaker 13: and fear immigrants by the grown ups around him in
Speaker 13: the Dallas Fort Worth area.
Speaker 14: But before we get into that, a quick eye break.
Speaker 14: The fear of white extinction at the hands of so
Speaker 14: called savages dates back to Puritan New England in the
Speaker 14: sixteen hundreds. Even as they lethally infected tens of thousands
Speaker 14: of native peoples with bubonic plague, malaria, measles, smallplocks, and typhus,
Speaker 14: English colonizers slew thousands more in wars of conquests that
Speaker 14: did not spare the very old, infants, that disabled, or
Speaker 14: the unarmed Puritans didn't just kill Native Americans. They often
Speaker 14: tortured them first and desecrated their bodies with rituals of humiliation,
Speaker 14: such as scalping. With each act of genocide, however, the
Speaker 14: Puritans projected those war crimes on their victims. One Puritan leader,
Speaker 14: William Bradford, the governor of the Plymouth Colony, warned that
Speaker 14: whites were in quote continual danger of the savage people.
Speaker 14: A white habit of mind formed that relieved any guilt
Speaker 14: the inhabitants of colonial America might feel about their bloodthirsty conquests.
Speaker 14: The invaders became the defenders of the homeland, the outarmed
Speaker 14: became the menace, and the vanquished became the aggressors. In fact,
Speaker 14: genocide became an act of self defense.
Speaker 13: In the Lone Star State public school students are required
Speaker 13: to study Texas history, Crusius would have been fed highly
Speaker 13: distorted accounts of the Texas Revolution of eighteen thirty five
Speaker 13: to eighteen thirty six, Although the content has improved since
Speaker 13: the Civil Rights movement. For the most part, Texas history
Speaker 13: textbooks have depicted Mexican soldiers as ruthless killers who, without qualms,
Speaker 13: shot Anglo soldiers at the Battle of Goliad in Southeast
Speaker 13: Texas and the survivors at the Alamo after they surrendered.
Speaker 13: These same students were not typically taught that white Texans
Speaker 13: massacred six hundred and fifty Mexican soldiers, most of whom
Speaker 13: had already cast away their weapons after the Battle of
Speaker 13: San Jacinto, the engagement that ended the Texas Revolutionary War.
Speaker 14: The late twentieth century, Texas students were also taught that
Speaker 14: after the Civil War, the abolition of slavery and the
Speaker 14: enfranchisemen of African Americans, dangerous chaos reigned. A sort of
Speaker 14: racist myth was promoted in textbooks and classroom lectures that Reconstruction,
Speaker 14: the state's first brief, failed experiment in multiracial democracy, was
Speaker 14: actually a tragedy. According to the legend promoted in schoolhouses,
Speaker 14: Reconstruction was defined not by increased literacy, improved infrastructure, in
Speaker 14: the expansion of black human rights, but instead by political corruption,
Speaker 14: wild government overspending, high taxes, out of control crime, and
Speaker 14: endemic incompetence. During Reconstruction, children were taught the United States
Speaker 14: armed African American soldiers who then harassed and assaulted harmless whites,
Speaker 14: especially women. In short across the curriculum, white students learned
Speaker 14: that whenever black and brown people gained power politically, socially,
Speaker 14: or economically, white people have been in mortal peril, a
Speaker 14: lesson that implies the need to kill or be killed.
Speaker 13: In the nineteen twenties and nineteen thirties, white American school
Speaker 13: kids across the country were indoctrinated into accepting eugenics in
Speaker 13: their biology classes. They learned that if they didn't produce
Speaker 13: large enough families, whites would lose a demographic race to Jews, Italians, Russians,
Speaker 13: and other immigrants pouring into the country. A best selling
Speaker 13: American author in the nineteen twenties, Lothrope Stoddard, warned his
Speaker 13: readers that unless trends were reversed racially, superior Nordics, as
Speaker 13: he called those from western northern Europe, might have to
Speaker 13: fight a war of extermination to stem a deadly tide
Speaker 13: of color that when gulf white people worldwide.
Speaker 14: El Paso shooter Patrick Crusius grew up in Collin County,
Speaker 14: which borders Dallas County on the north. The county's wealth
Speaker 14: before the Civil War derived primarily from cotton cultivated by
Speaker 14: enslaved labor. During reconstruction, klansmen organized in the county seat
Speaker 14: of McKinney to terrorize African Americans into not voting. African
Speaker 14: Americans continued to toil as farm labor after reconstruction, and
Speaker 14: the white population kept them under tight control through occasional
Speaker 14: outbursts of homicidal violence. In the summer of eighteen ninety eight,
Speaker 14: local whites panicked when between thirty to forty African Americans
Speaker 14: from out of town routinely gathered during a rainy season
Speaker 14: in hopes to be on hand when the weather cleared
Speaker 14: up so they could resume working. Ominous notices began to
Speaker 14: appear around the town that said quote, mister Negro, don't
Speaker 14: let the sun go down on you. On June fifteenth
Speaker 14: of that year, klansmen warned black residents that they had
Speaker 14: no more than ten days to leave the area. One family,
Speaker 14: the Sebroans, became the target of a violent mob of
Speaker 14: vigilantes known as white cappers, who arrived at their home
Speaker 14: in the middle of the night to punish them for
Speaker 14: not vacating their home on Main Street. Anticipating the arrival
Speaker 14: of the terrorists, Jake Sebrin stood by the door of
Speaker 14: his home holding a Winchester rifle. When his assailants realized
Speaker 14: he had a gun, they fired into the house. Jake
Speaker 14: then attempted to shoot back, but he was unable to
Speaker 14: stop the assailants from fatally shooting his pregnant wife, Laura.
Speaker 14: The three Sebran children were found screaming and clinging to
Speaker 14: bed sheets near their mother's bloody body inside their home.
Speaker 14: When it was all said and done, white Capper violence
Speaker 14: continued for years across the state, targeting both African Americans
Speaker 14: and Mexican Americans in an effort to maintain white supremacy.
Speaker 13: Thirteen years later, on August eleventh, nineteen eleven, Colin County
Speaker 13: authorities arrested a Farmersville man, Commodore Jones, for allegedly flirting
Speaker 13: with a white telephone operator. A mob of three hundred
Speaker 13: outraged white siezed Jones from police custody, carried him to
Speaker 13: the city square, and hanged him from a pole in
Speaker 13: front of the telephone office. In spite of this bloody history,
Speaker 13: Colin County got rich and by the nineteen seventies transformed
Speaker 13: into a major urban center. This development correlated with white flight,
Speaker 13: as Dallas glacially to come to court order de segregation
Speaker 13: beginning in the nineteen sixties and after uprising in response
Speaker 13: to a Dallas police officer forcing a twelve year old
Speaker 13: Latino Santos Rodriguez to play a fatal game of Russian
Speaker 13: Roulette in the backseat of a police squad car.
Speaker 14: White flight fueled population explosion in Colin County, governed by
Speaker 14: conservatives who kept property taxes low compared to those in
Speaker 14: the metropolitan center to the south. Corporations followed this population
Speaker 14: shift during the half century between the nineteen seventies and
Speaker 14: the twenty twenties. Doctor Pepper, Friedo, Lay J. C. Penny, Curing,
Speaker 14: Pizza Hut, and the Professional Golfers Association of America, as
Speaker 14: well as Toyota, planted their corporate headquarters there. However, even
Speaker 14: if whites moved to Colin County in the nineteen seventies
Speaker 14: to avoid school integration and feared urban unrest, the new
Speaker 14: corporations brought with them diverse work forces that include Muslims, Hindus,
Speaker 14: and people of color from all around the world. In
Speaker 14: two thousand, non Hispanic whites made up slightly more more
Speaker 14: than eighty one percent of the Colin County population. In
Speaker 14: twenty twenty, that number was slightly less than fifty one percent.
Speaker 14: Asian Americans and Asian immigrants made up almost seven percent
Speaker 14: of the population, while Mexican Americans and immigrants from south
Speaker 14: of the Rio Grand represented more than ten percent. All
Speaker 14: the ingredients needed were present for a vicious racial backlash.
Speaker 13: By twenty thirteen, the right wing in the entire Dallas
Speaker 13: Fort Worth area was in full panic mode about immigration.
Speaker 13: In twenty nineteen, Texas was believed to have the largest
Speaker 13: Muslim population of any state, numbering about four hundred and
Speaker 13: twenty two thousand, still less than two percent of the
Speaker 13: total state population, but one of the fastest growing religious
Speaker 13: demographics in the area. Two thirds of that population lives
Speaker 13: in the Houston and Dallas Fort Worth metropolitan areas. Muslim
Speaker 13: worshippers pray it as many as fifty five mosque in
Speaker 13: the Dallas Fort Worth area in the Muslim population north
Speaker 13: central Texas is believed to have tripled since twenty ten.
Speaker 14: In twenty thirteen, Harry Lrosalieer won election as mayor in
Speaker 14: the Collin County city of Plano. Conservatives mocked him at
Speaker 14: the time as the quote mayor from Haiti in reference
Speaker 14: to his birthplace. When affordable multi family housing was proposed
Speaker 14: for the suburb of Plano. Fear quickly spread that black
Speaker 14: and brown, low income workers would fill those residences. Signs
Speaker 14: appeared that said quote, don't Dallas my Plano, referring to
Speaker 14: the largely black and brown population in the metropolitan center.
Speaker 14: Republican politicians across the Dallas Fort Worth area began to
Speaker 14: warn that some of the newcomers plotted to impose quote Sharia,
Speaker 14: or Muslim law. The panic stemmed from the practice of
Speaker 14: many American mosques offering non binding mediation services employing principles
Speaker 14: from the Qur'an to couples in troubled marriages to resolve
Speaker 14: bitter business disputes between Muslims and so on. Such arbitration
Speaker 14: is not legally binding in Muslim practice can't be imposed
Speaker 14: on non Muslims because of the First Amendment of the
Speaker 14: United States Constitution, which forbids the government from establishing any
Speaker 14: sort of religion. Nevertheless, one Plaino State representative, Jeff Leach,
Speaker 14: in twenty fifteen, introduced an anti Sharia law in the
Speaker 14: Texas legislature. His bill failed, but Governor Abbott later signed
Speaker 14: a similar law in twenty seventeen. Stay with us through
Speaker 14: this ad break to learn more.
Speaker 13: Dread about Muslims and Sharia law dominated politics in Irving,
Speaker 13: a suburb with a population of about a quarter million
Speaker 13: people twelve miles northwest of Dallas from much of twenty fifteen.
Speaker 13: In February, then Mayor Beth Van Dyne, who later became
Speaker 13: a Trump appointee, characterized a Muslim mediation panel reportedly located
Speaker 13: in the Islamic center of Irving as an Islamic court.
Speaker 13: She introduced a resolution to the Irving City Council supporting
Speaker 13: Leech's proposed legislation. It passed five to four, as reported
Speaker 13: by a CBS affiliate in Dallas.
Speaker 18: Irving Mayor Beth van Dyne has accused local Muslim leaders
Speaker 18: in the past of creating their own laws called Sharia law,
Speaker 18: and adjudicating that doctrine bypassing the state and federal court system.
Speaker 18: Catholic and Jewish faiths also have similar tribunals that are
Speaker 18: presided over by faith leaders who act as arbitrators. But
Speaker 18: the locally mom here in Irving says Islam is being
Speaker 18: targeted yet not breaking any law.
Speaker 9: They believe that we are trying to supersede the or
Speaker 9: state laws.
Speaker 2: And that's not the case.
Speaker 9: We work within the boundaries of federal and state law.
Speaker 14: Anti Muslim tensions spread across the Dallas Fort Worth area,
Speaker 14: ending in tragic violence. Anti Muslim extremists held a deliberately
Speaker 14: provocative quote draw the profit art contest in Garland, Texas,
Speaker 14: a city of about two hundred and thirty five thousand
Speaker 14: just north of Dallas, Knowing that the images of Mohammed
Speaker 14: are prohibited by Islam and were likely to inflame the
Speaker 14: broader Muslim community. Two heavily armed Muslim men took the
Speaker 14: bait that day, driving from out of state and arriving
Speaker 14: at the scene of the contest on May third. They
Speaker 14: then shot a Garland police car before being killed with
Speaker 14: return fire.
Speaker 13: Little more than four months at the Garland shootings, Irving
Speaker 13: police arrested Achmed Mohammed, a Muslim of Sudanese background, on
Speaker 13: September fourteenth, twenty fifteen, after the fourteen year old had
Speaker 13: brought a digital clock built as a personal science project
Speaker 13: to MacArthur High School. Proud of his creation, Mohammed showed
Speaker 13: the clock to one of his teachers, who subjected the
Speaker 13: boy to racial profiling, fearing the clock might be a bomb.
Speaker 13: The teacher seized the device and sent Mohammed to the principal,
Speaker 13: who then called irving police officers and interrogated the boy
Speaker 13: for ninety minutes while his parents were denied access to
Speaker 13: their son. Meanwhile, a militia inspired by Irving Mayor Van
Speaker 13: Dine's alarmist warnings of as Sharia law showed up at
Speaker 13: two mosque and the Dallas suburbs, wearing camouflage and mask
Speaker 13: and brandishing twelve gage shotguns as a stock worshipper's going
Speaker 13: to prayer.
Speaker 14: Islamophobia in the Dallas Fort Worth area even extended to
Speaker 14: deceased Muslims. The Islamic Association of Collin County had hoped
Speaker 14: to establish a thirty five acre burial plot in Farmersville,
Speaker 14: a town of about four thousand people. When the Farmersville
Speaker 14: Planning and Zoning Commission approved the plan in May twenty
Speaker 14: fifteen without assending vote, furious opposition erupted. According to a
Speaker 14: CNN report.
Speaker 19: Farmersville is about twenty five miles away from Garland, Texas,
Speaker 19: where in May police killed two Muslim gunmen who tried
Speaker 19: to carry out a deadly attack at a draw The
Speaker 19: prophet Mohammed event One resident in Farmersville has even suggested
Speaker 19: using pigs to scare away the Muslim group.
Speaker 5: Pek and dump pig's blud and pig heads on a float.
Speaker 2: They won't buy the land.
Speaker 13: If I had my way, I would outlaw at Islam
Speaker 13: in America. Farmersville resident Jack Hawkins declared that Planning Zoning
Speaker 13: Commission meeting quote, I would tear down every mosque that
Speaker 13: was in this country. That's how I feel about it.
Speaker 13: A local Baptist minister suggested that the cemetery would lead
Speaker 13: to the establishment of the Madrasa, a Muslim religious school
Speaker 13: that could become a training ground for extremists. He was
Speaker 13: interviewed by CNN.
Speaker 20: And I believe I'm a watchman on the wall Ezekiel
Speaker 20: thirty three see the incoming danger.
Speaker 19: David Meeks is the pastor of Bethlehem Baptist Church, which
Speaker 19: ironically sits next to a cemetery. He says the cemetery
Speaker 19: could bring radical Islam to Farmersville.
Speaker 20: I see the expansion of Islam that's going on all
Speaker 20: over the world, now's coming to my hometown.
Speaker 2: And you see that danger in a cemetery.
Speaker 20: Anytime you see the Islamic folks coming into an neighborhood.
Speaker 20: I think, in my opinion, I think you can say
Speaker 20: we could be less safe in the future than we
Speaker 20: are right now.
Speaker 14: One hundred opponents of the cemetery crowded into a July fourteenth,
Speaker 14: twenty sixteen, city council meeting in Farmersville, with some residents
Speaker 14: expressing the fear that Muslim corpses would countaminate the local
Speaker 14: water supply. Members of the local Muslim community and of
Speaker 14: the Farmersville City Council suffered threats of violence. Facing a
Speaker 14: federal lawsuit, the City of Farmersville finally relented and on
Speaker 14: September twentieth, twenty eighteen, allowed the Islamic Association to move
Speaker 14: ahead with purchasing the land needed for their graveyard.
Speaker 13: This is the poison air. Patrick Crusius grew up breathing.
Speaker 13: He didn't kill because of computer games, because they didn't
Speaker 13: pray at schools he attended, because of protest against police violence,
Speaker 13: or the collapse of respect for authority. Crusius wrote that
Speaker 13: America is rotting quote from the inside out, because of immigration,
Speaker 13: and that unless why heights took up arms against dark
Speaker 13: skinned newcomers, whites could become extinct in his manifesto, Crusius
Speaker 13: insisted he embraced the great replacement theory before Donald Trump
Speaker 13: became president. One can only wonder how many other self
Speaker 13: appointed racial warriors might be inspired of violence by the
Speaker 13: twenty twenty four presidential campaign that centered mostly on the
Speaker 13: purported dangers of what Trump repeatedly called migrant crime, including
Speaker 13: the eating of neighbors, cats and dogs in the spread.
Speaker 2: Of deadly diseases.
Speaker 13: Trump has even repeated the warnings of early twentieth century
Speaker 13: eugenicists about the biological damage he claims immigrants are bringing
Speaker 13: bad genes to the United States. He says Trump's incendiary
Speaker 13: anti immigrant rhetoric has been compiled by the new site Politico.
Speaker 21: Americans have watched their communities destroyed by this sudden, suffocating
Speaker 21: inundation of illegal alience. I said, if you let them in,
Speaker 21: it's going to be hell. They are vicious, violent criminals.
Speaker 21: These are stone cold killers. They'll walk into your kitchen,
Speaker 21: they'll cut your throat. These are people at the highest
Speaker 21: level of killing that cut your throat and they won't
Speaker 21: even think about it the next morning. These people are
Speaker 21: roaming our country. They could go into a restaurant, they
Speaker 21: can do whatever they want, and they will.
Speaker 13: Kill you because they are wired that way.
Speaker 21: These people are animals. Now they'll say, oh, that's a
Speaker 21: terrible thing for him to say. No, No, these people
Speaker 21: are animals.
Speaker 20: It's in their jeens.
Speaker 21: And we got a lot of bad jeans in our
Speaker 21: country right now.
Speaker 13: That tread a white genocide has been nurtured across centuries
Speaker 13: of American history and has become one of this country's
Speaker 13: major exports.
Speaker 14: And with politicians like Donald Trump stoking fear about the
Speaker 14: alleged quote enemy within and promoting mass deportations and the
Speaker 14: idea of quote remigration, which is a notion with a
Speaker 14: deeply fascist history, we are almost certain to see the
Speaker 14: great replacement panic continue to boil under the surface of
Speaker 14: a society with constantly shifting demographics. Ongoing economic insecurity will
Speaker 14: feed into this, and the passive acceptance of gun violence
Speaker 14: as the price for American freedom will certainly feed into
Speaker 14: future racist violence. This is Stephen Monticelli and.
Speaker 13: This is Michael Phillips. Thanks for listening.
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Speaker 22: you're doing better than the country is about to be doing.
Speaker 22: Because this one, this one's bad, folks. So a couple
Speaker 22: of days ago, we promised that RFK Junior was getting
Speaker 22: his own episode, and he's getting eighty five ninety percent
Speaker 22: of his own episode. There's one other guy we're going
Speaker 22: to talk about, but unfortunately former presidential candidate Robert F.
Speaker 2: Kennedy. I don't know what the F stands for Fitzgerald.
Speaker 22: I'm assuming Fitzgerald. Robert Fitzgerald Kennedy Junior has been nominated
Speaker 22: by Donald Trump to lead the Department of Health and
Speaker 22: Human Services. I first off need to note that RFK
Speaker 22: Junior has been credibly accused of sexual assault, and when
Speaker 22: asked for comment by The Washington Post, he said, and
Speaker 22: I quote, I said in my announcement speech that I
Speaker 22: have so many skeletons in my closet that if they
Speaker 22: could all vote, I could run for king of the world.
Speaker 2: Now, legally, I cannot.
Speaker 22: Make an interpretation of how you want to piece together
Speaker 22: those sets of facts, but he was accused of it,
Speaker 22: and that's what he said when the Washington Post acts
Speaker 22: for comment, So you know, that's great.
Speaker 3: Between that and like all the sexual misconduct allegations against
Speaker 3: Musk and like everyone else involved in Trump's orbit, Matt
Speaker 3: gets Vince McMahon and his wife, the whole like me too.
Speaker 3: Era feels kind of dead, and it kind of has
Speaker 3: been for a while. But really, the general voting public
Speaker 3: does not care at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does not seem to. It's very bleak.
Speaker 22: That's not even remotely the bleak is part about this appointment.
Speaker 2: Though, So oh no, he's He's that for so many reasons.
Speaker 2: Holy shit.
Speaker 22: So I think if you are like most people listening
Speaker 22: to this, I don't think people tend to have an
Speaker 22: understanding of how many fucking departments there are, like under
Speaker 22: the Department of Health and Human Services, just how many
Speaker 22: different organizations there are. I originally I had listed them
Speaker 22: all out, and then I was like, I can't do this.
Speaker 2: It's too long to read in the podcast.
Speaker 22: So here are the important ones for our purposes. Nic,
Speaker 22: this isn't even all the important ones, but here are
Speaker 22: some of the important ones. So under the Apartment of
Speaker 22: Health and Human Services is, the Centers for Disease Control
Speaker 22: and Prevention, the Centers from Medicare and Medicaid Services, the
Speaker 22: Food and Drug Administration, the National Institutes of Health, the
Speaker 22: Office of Inspector General, and the Office for Civil Rights.
Speaker 2: So we've just put probably the US's.
Speaker 22: Most famous anti vaxer in charge of all of these organizations.
Speaker 22: And I say, we've just put He still has to
Speaker 22: get confirmed, and there is some chance that he doesn't
Speaker 22: make it.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 22: It would be much better for everyone on Earth if
Speaker 22: he fucking doesn't get appointed.
Speaker 3: But it's still very up in the air. Yeah, if
Speaker 3: any of these guys are going to get pushed in
Speaker 3: through recess appointments, or whether the Senate will just completely
Speaker 3: cave to Trump.
Speaker 2: Who knows.
Speaker 22: Yeah, And I mean, you know, and we'll get to
Speaker 22: part of this later. There is real political opposition to
Speaker 22: Trump in parts of the Republican Party base, especially the Senate. Yeah,
Speaker 22: he is about to fuck with the money. And sometimes
Speaker 22: you can do that, and it's fine, and sometimes you can't.
Speaker 22: And we simply do not know yet. And so I
Speaker 22: think before we get into how again, an anti vaxxer
Speaker 22: leading the US is like Health Services is going to
Speaker 22: just obliterate us all. I think it's actually worth taking
Speaker 22: a look at what this means politically in terms of
Speaker 22: Trump's base, in terms of sort of the power compositions
Speaker 22: of it, because in twenty twenty, the last time he
Speaker 22: was running, he had a real problem with the anti
Speaker 22: vaxxers because you know, on the one I had Trump
Speaker 22: like did a bunch of anti vax stuff. On the
Speaker 22: other hand, he did spend a bunch of money to
Speaker 22: develop the vaccine, and this.
Speaker 2: Pissed off an incredibly large number of people.
Speaker 22: You have, like your Alex Jones is yelling about how
Speaker 22: he was like tricked into making the vaccine, And there's
Speaker 22: a kind of split in his base between the people
Speaker 22: who are anti vaxxers and people who think that COVID
Speaker 22: was like designed in a lab as a bioweapon. Because
Speaker 22: those people in theory, if you're following this coherently, right,
Speaker 22: the people who think that COVID was creating a lab
Speaker 22: as a bioweapon, you should also want a vaccine then,
Speaker 22: because that could stop the bioweapon.
Speaker 3: Well, unless the bio weapon was invented so that people
Speaker 3: would get vaccinated, and the real dangers to vaccines. See me,
Speaker 3: you gotta be thinking one step ahead with these people.
Speaker 22: But there's another thing too, which is you also have
Speaker 22: to simultaneously argue that COVID is pretty mild, because that's
Speaker 22: another thing that all these people believe, because you have
Speaker 22: to be anti lockdown, and to be anti lockdown, you
Speaker 22: have to believe that COVID is mild. So well, the
Speaker 22: chain of things you have to believe, and there are like,
Speaker 22: I don't know, like a third of the population of
Speaker 22: the US believe some variant of like COVID was made
Speaker 22: in a lab as a bioweapon. It either escaped or
Speaker 22: was deployed. It's also mild. And also the vaccine is
Speaker 22: trying to kill.
Speaker 2: You, So this is bad.
Speaker 22: And Trump has kind of papered over this issue with
Speaker 22: his base by again just handing all of the fucking
Speaker 22: health departments over to RFK Junior. And a sign of
Speaker 22: what RFK Junior's tenure is going to look like, assuming
Speaker 22: he gets appointed, is that he has been putting together
Speaker 22: list of people he wants to head all of these agencies,
Speaker 22: and chief on that list is Jay Banachaira, who's he
Speaker 22: wants to be the head of the National Institute of Health.
Speaker 22: Jay is an anti lockdown maniac whose thing was that
Speaker 22: he thought that the lockdowns were bad and that we
Speaker 22: should have just sent everyone back to work in this
Speaker 22: sort of absolute peak of the pandemic before we had vaccines,
Speaker 22: and he thought that like only forty thousand people were
Speaker 22: going to die because of COVID, and that if you
Speaker 22: just sent everyone back, everyone would get COVID and this
Speaker 22: would create like quote unquote herd immunity and then the
Speaker 22: disease would be okay, yeah, yeah, and that's sense right.
Speaker 3: That did not happen. We can actually save for sure. Yes,
Speaker 3: more than forty thousand people died. It wasn't just a flu.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 22: And also you know there were countries I think Norway
Speaker 22: tried this where they tried to like easelock dew restrictions
Speaker 22: early and it just killed a bunch of people and
Speaker 22: you didn't get an immunity benefit because then the thing
Speaker 22: about herd immunity, right, So herd immunity is this concept,
Speaker 22: and this is kind of this is important for the
Speaker 22: vaccination angle of this. It's this concept that there are
Speaker 22: there are some people in a population who medically cannot vaccinated.
Speaker 22: You know, there's like actual health reasons right for this
Speaker 22: that aren't just like anti vax shit. But if enough
Speaker 22: of the rest of the population is vaccinated, then it
Speaker 22: doesn't matter because there's not because there's enough immunity in
Speaker 22: the entire herd that it's hard for the disease to spread.
Speaker 22: And the way you're supposed to do this again is
Speaker 22: with vaccines, right, But there was a whole crowd of
Speaker 22: people who wanted to try to do this not with vaccines,
Speaker 22: but just by giving everyone COVID. And these are the
Speaker 22: people that rf Kids Junior wants to like put in
Speaker 22: charge of the nation's health services. Now, political response to
Speaker 22: this from our site is also really complicated because you know,
Speaker 22: the way that the battles already playing out in the
Speaker 22: media is RFK Junior versus Big Pharma. And the problem
Speaker 22: is no one likes big pharma unless you're being paid
Speaker 22: by them, like we don't like big farm. But these
Speaker 22: companies suck shit. They're really bad. They're like parts of
Speaker 22: the reasons why you can afford your healthcare. But also
Speaker 22: the reason they're evil isn't because they make vaccines. And
Speaker 22: this is a this is a complicated sort of tension
Speaker 22: to manage and if you read a lot of the
Speaker 22: media coverage of this. So far, NPR has this just
Speaker 22: fawning article over RFK Junior. That's like, Oh, he's gonna
Speaker 22: like cut through the bureaucratic red tape with his controversial
Speaker 22: things and like help treat chronic disease. And no, he's
Speaker 22: an anti vaxxer. He's a very hard line anti vaxer.
Speaker 22: I also want to read this absolutely insane thing that
Speaker 22: he said about COVID being a I'm just going to
Speaker 22: read this. I don't know how to preface this. COVID nineteen,
Speaker 22: there is an argument that is ethnically targeted, COVID nineteen
Speaker 22: attacks certain races disroportionately. COVID nineteen is targeted to attack
Speaker 22: Caucasians and black people. The people who are most immune
Speaker 22: are Oscanazi, Jews, and Chinese. Oh, we don't know whether
Speaker 22: it was deliberately targeted or not, but there are papers
Speaker 22: out there that show the racial and ethnic different impact.
Speaker 2: Oh oh no, that's that's not what those papers are
Speaker 2: trying to say. No, And I will also say this.
Speaker 22: One of the things that you can just you know
Speaker 22: something very bad is about to happen is when someone
Speaker 22: uses the word Chinese and noun you were about to
Speaker 22: hear the most racist shit you've ever heard in your
Speaker 22: entire life.
Speaker 21: Well, not to.
Speaker 2: Mention, askansy juice.
Speaker 22: Oh yeah, yeah, And so you know, want those actually
Speaker 22: whatever which to briefly talk about what those studies were
Speaker 22: actually saying. It's like, well, yeah, there were certain communities
Speaker 22: that were hit worst by COVID, and there's certain communities
Speaker 22: that were hit less by COVID, And that largely has
Speaker 22: to do with things like income and how much you're
Speaker 22: forced to like go work, read the plague.
Speaker 3: Living conditions, class, poverty, where you live, gentrification, there's lots
Speaker 3: of aspects.
Speaker 22: How strong your anti vax movement is sure, definitely another
Speaker 22: one not to mention, just like medicalized racism, which is
Speaker 22: a massive problem in the American health care industry.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And r f K. Junior not gonna make
Speaker 2: that better.
Speaker 3: No, I don't have an inkling that's gonna be on
Speaker 3: the top of his priorities beyond nationalizing essentially chicken pox
Speaker 3: parties instead of vaccines.
Speaker 22: Yeah, okay, So r f K Junior has been playing
Speaker 22: the world's most obvious shell game with the media, which
Speaker 22: the media, I don't know a lot of press outlets
Speaker 22: are just sort of rolling over for Trump right now.
Speaker 22: And so he's been playing this game where he's been
Speaker 22: telling the press, oh, I'm not going to take vaccines
Speaker 22: away from everyone, from anyone, and it'll be fine.
Speaker 2: And like we know.
Speaker 22: That he thinks that vaccines cause autism, Like he just
Speaker 22: says this all the time.
Speaker 2: He has promoted books about that.
Speaker 17: Yeah.
Speaker 22: Yeah, So like you know, we know that he is
Speaker 22: anti vax, that he spread, he spreads anti vax propaganda.
Speaker 22: We know he spent a bunch of money doing this,
Speaker 22: specifically also in minority communities. So there's a lot of
Speaker 22: dangers here, some of which we're going to get into
Speaker 22: more when we go into what specific agencies can.
Speaker 2: Sort of fuck with stuff.
Speaker 22: But one of the biggest dangers in the very short
Speaker 22: term is that he is now in control of what
Speaker 22: is effectively the US's medical science apparatus, and he can
Speaker 22: use this to spread all of the anti vax horseshit
Speaker 22: that has been spreading through like less official channels before this.
Speaker 22: I think it's worth remembering that this whole anti vaccine
Speaker 22: craze started with one guy getting one shitty paper published
Speaker 22: in the journal Lancet and the reporting on that in
Speaker 22: the media frenzy around that was enough to turn the
Speaker 22: active vaccine movement from like ten people into a worldwide
Speaker 22: movement that has killed unbelievable numbers of people. And the
Speaker 22: reason that's true is because if an official authority tells
Speaker 22: you like that this vaccine isn't safe, people will believe it.
Speaker 22: And he's going to be able to use the National
Speaker 22: Institutes of Health to be able to use the CDC,
Speaker 22: is going to be able to use the journals that
Speaker 22: they publish. He's going to be able to fill these
Speaker 22: people with his coronis. It's going to take a lot
Speaker 22: of fighting, but he's going to be able to use
Speaker 22: this to push anti vaccine bullshit with even just leaving
Speaker 22: aside his regulatory abilities, just the ability to like legitimize
Speaker 22: this complete horseshit as actual science. Is going to do
Speaker 22: incoculable damage to this country and is going to do
Speaker 22: incolculable damage to the world because also one of the
Speaker 22: things that's under Health and Human Services is the is
Speaker 22: the US's like international medical and healthcare programs and sort
Speaker 22: of prevention programs that we do internationally.
Speaker 2: So this is all very bad. Do you know what's
Speaker 2: not very bad.
Speaker 3: Oh, all of the ads that are gonna play right
Speaker 3: after I stopped talking, surely none of them could be
Speaker 3: slightly problematic.
Speaker 2: And we are back. Okay.
Speaker 22: So when I was first writing this in the halcyon
Speaker 22: days of last week, right, I had a whole thing
Speaker 22: written here about how one of the other effects of
Speaker 22: this is not just going to be the attack on vaccines,
Speaker 22: It's going to be the destruction of basic virological research, right,
Speaker 22: Like our basic research on viruses and on diseases is
Speaker 22: going to be destroyed, you know. And this is because
Speaker 22: the people that are of Kajunior is surrounding himself with
Speaker 22: are the Lablik Truther people, and the Lablik Truthers have
Speaker 22: convinced themselves to anyone who does any kind of research
Speaker 22: with a virus is actually like creating a giant a
Speaker 22: bioweapon that can at any moments like a break containment,
Speaker 22: and kill the entire population. And you know, so I
Speaker 22: was like, okay, I was putting together all this stuff,
Speaker 22: and then he just straight up said that when he
Speaker 22: gets in charge, he's going to go to the NIH
Speaker 22: and stop studying infectious diseases for eight years first week.
Speaker 23: And I'm going to call all the division heads, and
Speaker 23: I'm going to call all the bureau chiefs, and I'm
Speaker 23: going to say, we're going to give drug development and
Speaker 23: infectious disease a break, a little break, a little bit
Speaker 23: of a break for about eight years, and we're gonna
Speaker 23: study chronic disease.
Speaker 22: He's just saying, straight up, he's gonna try to stop
Speaker 22: all infectious disease research for eight years.
Speaker 2: Now'll think about diseases. Right.
Speaker 22: I talked to a virologist beforehand, who will will rename
Speaker 22: nameless for security purposes.
Speaker 2: But their response was, hold on, let me, let me,
Speaker 2: let me, let me read this exactly, because it's extremely funny.
Speaker 22: I would love if pathogens would decide to give it
Speaker 22: a rest for eight years. Sadly, I do not think
Speaker 22: pathogens will get the memo because they're random micro organisms.
Speaker 22: That the big issue here, right is Okay, so we're
Speaker 22: stopping all infectious disease research. Now, you know we're already,
Speaker 22: I mean we're still in like we gave up trying
Speaker 22: to end for the first pandemic that like that would
Speaker 22: happen on the Trump meministration, right, we were our solution
Speaker 22: to this. And this is also part of The problem
Speaker 22: of the decay hay of these institutions, even under Biden,
Speaker 22: was that, you know, we gave up trying to stop COVID.
Speaker 2: We're we just we just just like maascer, it too
Speaker 2: much work. So you're all going to die now, have fun.
Speaker 3: Well, luckily there won't be another global pandemic anytime soon,
Speaker 3: because these things really only happen once a century.
Speaker 22: No, But you know, the content was with this, right
Speaker 22: is when the next pandemic hits, we're going to have
Speaker 22: an administration that is sort of broadly anti vax who's
Speaker 22: everyone around them is anti vaccine, and we're going to
Speaker 22: have just destroyed our capacity to do inveectious disease research.
Speaker 3: Well and specifically this was this was a joke about
Speaker 3: the bird flu.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 22: Well the thing is right, so the next one could
Speaker 22: be that fucking bird flu strain that's bluing.
Speaker 2: But it could be something else too. We don't know,
Speaker 2: there could be other ones.
Speaker 22: We you know, like if you go into like the
Speaker 22: actual sort of causes of these things, which have to
Speaker 22: do with things like factory farming and like increasing human
Speaker 22: they call it humans zoological contact, but it's like humans
Speaker 22: going into places where there weren't people before and there
Speaker 22: are a bunch of animals and coming in in like
Speaker 22: increasing contact with the animals. Right, that's all stuff that
Speaker 22: they're driven by by structural elements of the economic system
Speaker 22: and like our constant needs to develop land and the
Speaker 22: way we've set up our meat agriculture, and that's not
Speaker 22: stuff that like rf K Junior gives a shit about
Speaker 22: like actually attempting to deal with So instead we're gonna
Speaker 22: just do whatever this infectious disease research stop is.
Speaker 2: And I think this also aligns with a lot.
Speaker 22: Of the stuff that all of that that you know,
Speaker 22: Trump's cabinet pointees broadly have been talking about, right, which
Speaker 22: is this this desire to just sort of kneecap and
Speaker 22: you know, sort of purge the American bureaucracy, you know.
Speaker 22: And I've been I've been seeing some very very optimistic
Speaker 22: people going like, oh, well, you can't really do a
Speaker 22: purge because like what competent people are good?
Speaker 2: Are you going to replace them with?
Speaker 3: It's like no one, that's the problem. That's the problem.
Speaker 22: Three the un replaced with no one, or they're gonna
Speaker 22: be replaced with like one of the like hundreds of
Speaker 22: millions of weird anti vaccine freaks. These people have found
Speaker 22: have like cultivated over like a giant global international network. Right,
Speaker 22: they have so many crank doctors.
Speaker 3: We're just going to be like governed by like a
Speaker 3: conspiracy theory cabinet, which is kind of what it's looking like. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you're just going to be governed by the Fox and
Speaker 3: Friends weekend host segments team.
Speaker 22: And oh boy, yeah, And I will say, you know,
Speaker 22: this is all going to be very bad. I do
Speaker 22: want to do a little bit of panic calming, which
Speaker 22: is I've seen some people freaking out about the potential
Speaker 22: of OURCA Junior just sort of destroying the American food
Speaker 22: system by just implementing a total ban on fertilizers and pesticides.
Speaker 22: And could he do that in theory maybe, but that
Speaker 22: one I don't think is really likely to happen because
Speaker 22: if he does, if he tries to do this, he
Speaker 22: is immediately going to face like one of the most
Speaker 22: ferocious lobbies in the entire history of American politics, which
Speaker 22: is the American like I guess you would call him
Speaker 22: the farm lobby, but really it's the American big ag
Speaker 22: like big agricultural lobby.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the agricultural lobby.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 22: Yeah, And like you are about to face like the
Speaker 22: power of fucking Bayer Monsanto.
Speaker 2: They are.
Speaker 22: They are a ferocious opponent. If you try banning their pesticides,
Speaker 22: they're going to come for you. They already hate him
Speaker 22: because he's already he's like has sued them over a
Speaker 22: bunch of stuff over the years. And the thing about
Speaker 22: the combination of companies that make chemicals for stuff and
Speaker 22: also the giant farming conglomerates who who run most of
Speaker 22: America's food production, is that unlike, for example, the farmer lobby,
Speaker 22: the farmer lobby is very powerful, but its power is
Speaker 22: sort of dispersed over over a broad geographic area. It's
Speaker 22: not like centralized very well, which which makes them sort
Speaker 22: of weaker in an attempt to like stop RFK Junior.
Speaker 22: The thing about the farm lobbies that they're not There
Speaker 22: are a lot of plane states. We're just straight up
Speaker 22: their senators And it doesn't matter which party you elect.
Speaker 22: Your senator is just a cutout for like the agricultural lobby.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 22: And those people work together, right, like they have worked together,
Speaker 22: they will work together. They caucus together all the time
Speaker 22: in order to get agricultural subsidies and stuff. And these
Speaker 22: people are unbelievably powerful. They are united political block in
Speaker 22: the Senate, and they can bring the entire US governments
Speaker 22: greeching to a halt. So that's not a fight. I
Speaker 22: don't really think that he can win. But I mean
Speaker 22: there's still some kind of chance that he tries to
Speaker 22: do something like this. But on that one, and I've
Speaker 22: seen a lot of people panicking about it, I think
Speaker 22: that one will probably be Okay. That said, we're giving
Speaker 22: a guy who one of his big things is that
Speaker 22: like the government's been like repressing raw milk, and we're
Speaker 22: giving this guy control of the FDA.
Speaker 2: Oh the raw milk people, Oh my god. Yeah.
Speaker 24: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, and luckily there's been no FDA related fiascos this year,
Speaker 3: which has led to thousands of food recalls that are
Speaker 3: incredibly challenging to keep up with. And now the joke
Speaker 3: here is that there actually has been massive FDA fuck
Speaker 3: ups which actually has led to thousands of food recalls
Speaker 3: which actually are pretty challenging to keep up with because
Speaker 3: oh boy, our whole regulatory state was kind of got
Speaker 3: it the past eight years and it is still recovering
Speaker 3: and the deregulations have led to massive food foreign illness
Speaker 3: failures in the production scene. So yeah, that's that's been happening.
Speaker 3: I'm sure one of you has been affected by this.
Speaker 22: Yeah, And you know, I think there are some people
Speaker 22: who tend to read the way that RFK Junior talks
Speaker 22: about like we need eliminate like toxins from the food
Speaker 22: supply or whatever, and read that as, oh, he's going
Speaker 22: to like try to do more agriculture regulation, and oh,
Speaker 22: that brain has been eaten by worms, like that is
Speaker 22: his brain is a bunch of conspiracy theories matched together.
Speaker 22: Like that's not going to be how this plays out,
Speaker 22: unfortunately for us. Yeah, and I really think this is
Speaker 22: something to keep mindus. Anyone who is treating this guy
Speaker 22: as like some kind of serious reformer of US health policy,
Speaker 22: do not trust anything that they say, right, Like, keep
Speaker 22: notes of what fucking media outlets are saying this right now,
Speaker 22: because with RFK Junior, a man who says one absolutely
Speaker 22: like I said a thing earlier about suspending research for
Speaker 22: infectious diseases, right, he said that like Friday, last Friday,
Speaker 22: at an anti vaccine conference he was on on like zoom.
Speaker 2: He says this shit literally all the time.
Speaker 22: And if you're a sort of journalist and you're treating
Speaker 22: him as like a semi serious guy and not this
Speaker 22: person like you are not sort of qualified for the
Speaker 22: task of covering what's going to be happening in this administration.
Speaker 3: I mean really, the worst thing about RFK, in my opinion,
Speaker 3: is that he has ruined the Kennedy conspiracy search results.
Speaker 3: If you google Kennedy conspiracy, it sucks now. Now it's
Speaker 3: just RFK conspiracy theory beliefs that he has terrible. It's
Speaker 3: ruined one of my great hobbies, which is trying to
Speaker 3: find new JFK conspiracies.
Speaker 2: You know what else is ruining JFK conspiracies?
Speaker 3: Probably the heads because my god, the more time I
Speaker 3: have to spend looking at advertisements is less time I
Speaker 3: could be reading about how JFK was secretly Okay, we
Speaker 3: are back, Mia. I would love to learn more about
Speaker 3: RFK Junior if possible, or maybe some other random guy
Speaker 3: who's also bad.
Speaker 2: What else do you have for me here? Oh boy?
Speaker 2: We have from here adderall.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, one of my favorite prescription drugs. That's not true. Actually,
Speaker 3: I'm actually not on stimulants. Everyone thinks just because I
Speaker 3: talk fast and sound like this, I probably am on stimulants.
Speaker 3: This actually isn't true. This is me completely sober, so
Speaker 3: just to imagine how worse it would be if I
Speaker 3: was on adderall.
Speaker 22: Yeah, So okay, let's do adderall first and we'll talk
Speaker 22: about antidepressants. So, okay, if you've had to get adderall
Speaker 22: and I'm actually not on it, somewhat miraculously, I don't know,
Speaker 22: not raculously whatever, it's not.
Speaker 2: It's not my favorite thing, not being on this.
Speaker 22: But you know, if you've tried to attain adderall or
Speaker 22: something like viavants or one of the other sort of
Speaker 22: treatments for ADHD, you have probably noticed that there's just shortages.
Speaker 22: And there's two explanations for the shortage if you read
Speaker 22: the stuff the Food and Drug Administration says, They're like, oh,
Speaker 22: it's because of labor shortages at drug manufacturing plants, and
Speaker 22: that's like not really the reason. The actual thing that's
Speaker 22: going on here is that so these are technically like
Speaker 22: restrict to substances, right, in order to produce substances like this,
Speaker 22: the DEA sets like a quota of the amount of
Speaker 22: these drugs you were able to produce in a year,
Speaker 22: and the DEA became absolutely obsessed with like the fact
Speaker 22: that people were like getting hold of other people's adderall
Speaker 22: and this made them absolutely lose their fucking minds to
Speaker 22: start imposing these unbelievably draconian production quotas on these stimulants,
Speaker 22: which is why there's been a fucking shortage of them
Speaker 22: for like three years now. It's it's worth noting. On
Speaker 22: the one hand, you know, the FDA has kind of
Speaker 22: been trying to fight the DA on this because the
Speaker 22: FDA is looking at this and it's like, okay, so
Speaker 22: we just have a bunch of people who have ADHD
Speaker 22: who can't get their mets, and that can just straight
Speaker 22: up destroy your life. Like getting getting taken off of
Speaker 22: one of these things immediately is really really bad for you.
Speaker 22: And also like not having executive function is real bad.
Speaker 22: But we have the mild upside of the fact that
Speaker 22: DA isn't technically going to be under OURFK Junior's control.
Speaker 3: But is it going to be under Christy Nomes control? Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's it's just this department, Okay, so it could maybe gates,
Speaker 3: Well maybe maybe gates because we have we have since
Speaker 3: learned that that Trump has conceded that that Gates might
Speaker 3: might not make it through a Senate confirmation hearing, so
Speaker 3: we will still see if these recent appointments are actually
Speaker 3: gonna happen. Yeah, so we don't know who's going to
Speaker 3: be running the Department of Justice.
Speaker 22: But comma, what we do know about RFK Junior is
Speaker 22: this quote from futurism quote, I'm going to create these
Speaker 22: wellness farms so they can go get off legal drugs,
Speaker 22: off opiates, but also illegal drugs, other psychiatric drugs if
Speaker 22: they want to to get off SSRIs, to get off bezos,
Speaker 22: to get off adderall, and spend as much time as
Speaker 22: they need three or four years if they need it,
Speaker 22: learning to get reparented, to reconnect with communities. So, as
Speaker 22: a lot of people loculic futurism have pointed out, he
Speaker 22: is framing this as if it's voluntary. But what this
Speaker 22: is is instead of treating people for mental health issues,
Speaker 22: you send them to a labor camp to do organic
Speaker 22: farming for the government. And that's very bad. And it's
Speaker 22: also worth noting that these programs are supposed to be
Speaker 22: quote unquote voluntary, have this sort of nasty way of
Speaker 22: suddenly becoming involuntary at the moment, someone's actually in power.
Speaker 22: So the worst possible read of this, like the most
Speaker 22: bleak and dystopian read of this, is that this is
Speaker 22: going to be implemented as a method of solving the
Speaker 22: the indescribable human cost of evicting tens of millions of people.
Speaker 22: One of the things that will do was just absolutely
Speaker 22: obliterate our labor supply for agriculture, right, because it turns
Speaker 22: out that the people who actually know how to do
Speaker 22: agriculture work is not the white planters who fucking own
Speaker 22: the farms.
Speaker 2: So this is a thing that could be used to
Speaker 2: try to replace that labor. Right.
Speaker 22: I I don't know how much I think that specific
Speaker 22: one is going to happen. It's unclear how he could
Speaker 22: use the power of the state to do this, right,
Speaker 22: There's not a direct path.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this seems this seems really this seems really goofy.
Speaker 22: Frankly, Yeah, like I've seen some panic over it, and
Speaker 22: it's like, I, I mean maybe that's a like I
Speaker 22: don't know thing that's like a like I don't know.
Speaker 2: We're in like year six of the Trump of the
Speaker 2: second Trump administration, and like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I really don't see how they could even get
Speaker 3: anywhere close to the numbers for like a voluntary drug
Speaker 3: like rehab program that puts you into like agricultural farm work,
Speaker 3: that it's not going to replace any of the missing
Speaker 3: farm labor.
Speaker 22: No, no, it won't work, right even if you could
Speaker 22: do the compulsory labor, thinking there's not just simply aren't
Speaker 22: enough people right to do it. And also agricultural labor
Speaker 22: is skilled work, right, like, yeah, you actually have to
Speaker 22: know what you're doing. But comma, I will mention you know,
Speaker 22: as this is kind of this is an unlikely but
Speaker 22: technically possible thing to happen. The thing that's more likely
Speaker 22: to happen is that this is a good time to
Speaker 22: mention that one of the organizations that's under how the
Speaker 22: Human Services is the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration,
Speaker 22: and there are a lot of ways using this administration
Speaker 22: and also just cooperating with the DEA, because again we
Speaker 22: have to remember this DEA is just unbelievably pissed off
Speaker 22: at the thought of like a single person getting their prescription.
Speaker 22: So I don't think it will be hard for RFK
Speaker 22: Junior to find his allies in the Justice Department to
Speaker 22: intensify the crackdown that's already been happening on on things
Speaker 22: like on things like adderall and on things like antidepressants,
Speaker 22: because you know, there's a whole other range of conspiracy
Speaker 22: theories that when we've covered this on the show, right
Speaker 22: that I have to do with, like people who think
Speaker 22: that like, oh, all the all the mass shooters are
Speaker 22: on antidepressants or whatever, and that kind of stuff is
Speaker 22: that kind of thinking is incredibly powerful, and there's there's
Speaker 22: a real chance that we are about to see a
Speaker 22: bunch of people who believe that shit suddenly in control
Speaker 22: of a bunch of the agencies.
Speaker 2: They are supposed to be doing drug regulations.
Speaker 22: There are other things that we can see him do.
Speaker 22: He's going to have some authority over approving new vaccines,
Speaker 22: which is real bad. It's gonna be hard for him
Speaker 22: to just like, I don't like, he can't just like
Speaker 22: do a vaccine ban. But what he can do is
Speaker 22: you can also fuck with people's insurance covering vaccinations, and
Speaker 22: he can fuck with like to what extent they're recommended
Speaker 22: by the government.
Speaker 3: This is really upsetting for the potential like HIV vaccine
Speaker 3: that's oh like nearing its completion.
Speaker 2: We're going to get to that that. Hold on, give it,
Speaker 2: give me one second, because we're getting too that.
Speaker 22: No, okay, so before we get to the fact that
Speaker 22: our FID Junior is an HIV AIDS denialist, we need
Speaker 22: to point out one more thing he can do, which
Speaker 22: is that he can use the Office of the Inspector
Speaker 22: General as a weapon to you know, I mean.
Speaker 2: It is the Office of the Inspector General.
Speaker 22: And like the regular the legal and regulatory capacities of
Speaker 22: the other agencies under Health and Human Services, are they
Speaker 22: supposed to be a thing that you can use to
Speaker 22: go after drug companies for like making vaccines. No, will
Speaker 22: he be able to do it, probably because we are
Speaker 22: about to enter a a era of like law fair
Speaker 22: and like what is it isn't considered legal? That is
Speaker 22: going to make the past like eight years seem like
Speaker 22: the most functional democratic regime the world has ever seen.
Speaker 22: So we're probably going to see that, and we're also
Speaker 22: going to see the effects of RFKI Junior's HIV AIDS denihalism.
Speaker 22: And this shit is so I don't know if people
Speaker 22: even remember this, but there is a whole like one
Speaker 22: of the earlier kind of anti VACS conspiracy movements was
Speaker 22: about HIV not being the cause of AIDS. And it's
Speaker 22: been so long since this has been a public thing
Speaker 22: that I think most people have sort of forgotten about it.
Speaker 22: I think Dave Gruel is probably the most famous one
Speaker 22: of these guys, But he was in this camp of
Speaker 22: people who thought that like AIDS was cosmy malnutrition. Are
Speaker 22: arf Kad Junior not in that camp Arkad Junior in
Speaker 22: an even worse camp of people who were just like, oh, yeah, no,
Speaker 22: it's because like gay people were doing poppers.
Speaker 2: That like that's his actual thing, right, he thinks that
Speaker 2: you think it was poppers.
Speaker 22: Yeah, he thinks it's because of just literally like quote,
Speaker 22: the gay lifestyle is why HIV happened. This kind of
Speaker 22: shit wiped out in entire generation of query people. Our
Speaker 22: best hope here is that he's forgotten about most of
Speaker 22: this and is on to more and new, like just
Speaker 22: gets sidetracked on his other conspiracies. Then it's just gets
Speaker 22: obsessed with raw milk or whatever. But yeah, this this
Speaker 22: could be really, really fucking bad for if he actually
Speaker 22: decides that this is one of the issues he's going
Speaker 22: to focus on. Right, He's now in charge a bunch
Speaker 22: of the of a bunch of the agencies that like
Speaker 22: helps people fucking deal with this, right because agv aids now,
Speaker 22: you know, getting it is on a death sentence, Like
Speaker 22: you can live, you can live a perfectly functioned normental
Speaker 22: life as long as you have the right medical care.
Speaker 22: And there's as as Garrett was talking about earlier, there's
Speaker 22: there is a pretty promising vaccine that could fucking stop
Speaker 22: this shit.
Speaker 11: Right.
Speaker 22: But if this is something that he remembers and he
Speaker 22: focuses on, there's a real chance of him using his
Speaker 22: power to fuck with it because he is a kind
Speaker 22: of homophobic that like up until really two or three
Speaker 22: years ago had kind of like mostly vanished from like
Speaker 22: the mainstream even from sort of like the heart that
Speaker 22: like the homophobes tended to have different homophobia now than
Speaker 22: like this shit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is like a classic eighties nineties homophobia.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 22: And at this point also we need to mention that again,
Speaker 22: one of the offices that he's now in charge of
Speaker 22: is the Office for Civil Rights the ocr which is
Speaker 22: oh cool. We've talked about on our episodes about transpolicy.
Speaker 22: He's I don't know, RFK Junior is kind of one
Speaker 22: of those people where it's like it's not clear to
Speaker 22: me if like his heart's really in the anti trans stuff.
Speaker 22: He says all of the most hideous anti transshit, right,
Speaker 22: But that's also like it's also a pretty recent position
Speaker 22: that he's adopted, you mean, yeah.
Speaker 2: Same thing with Trump. Yeah, but now that might not matter, right.
Speaker 3: Sure, I'm just saying that these are more recent changes
Speaker 3: from them, Yeah, yeah, to kind of reflect a growing
Speaker 3: shift in politics for like the GOP and their and
Speaker 3: their base. Yeah, whereas like historically Trump has has felt
Speaker 3: fine sexually harassing trans women yep, yep, because of their women,
Speaker 3: because of misogyny, you know, yeah anyway, But you know,
Speaker 3: but our issue here is that the Office of Civil
Speaker 3: Rights is the office that you're supposed to that that's
Speaker 3: supposed to be the thing that stops discrimination in healthcare.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, And in fact, this is the organization that
Speaker 3: the Biden administration had just left trans people to the
Speaker 3: mercy of where if like if your healthcare got banned,
Speaker 3: you were supposed to like submit a complet to the
Speaker 3: ocr So like it's not like an incredibly functional agency
Speaker 3: right now, right, but it's about to get a lot worse.
Speaker 2: There's a couple other things that.
Speaker 22: I should mention before we close out here that are
Speaker 22: I mean, you could do a full episode on in
Speaker 22: and of themselves, but there's just so much shit here.
Speaker 22: One of them is that he's also like anti fluoride
Speaker 22: in drinking water. Yes, yes, yes, Now this is one
Speaker 22: where I don't know how much power he's gonna have
Speaker 22: to do this because a lot of fluoride stuff is
Speaker 22: done at the local level.
Speaker 3: Well luckily for our friends of Bortland, and this won't
Speaker 3: affect them at all because there already is no fluoride
Speaker 3: in your drinking water yep.
Speaker 22: So our dental health is just fucked because of this.
Speaker 22: He's probably going to use. This is gonna be another
Speaker 22: bully pulpit thing where he uses his position to push
Speaker 22: anti fluoride shit. And I think the last thing I
Speaker 22: want to end on is just one of the like cruel,
Speaker 22: petty things that he's probably going to be able to do.
Speaker 22: Is one of the like bugbears of the right is
Speaker 22: that like people on food stamps aren't eating healthy enough food,
Speaker 22: and so we're probably gonna see a bunch of these
Speaker 22: just really hideous restrictions and of what you can buy
Speaker 22: with with snap benefits.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, and the rest of these guys also just want
Speaker 3: snap benefits and welfare to also just like go down
Speaker 3: the toilet entirely.
Speaker 22: So yeah, so they're trying to make them as unusable
Speaker 22: as possible. And again it's like okay, so like if
Speaker 22: you can only buy like fresh fruit with this and
Speaker 22: you live in a food desert, yeah, because you're poor,
Speaker 22: what the fuck you?
Speaker 2: You know, right, It's just it's just compounding classism.
Speaker 22: Yeah, And the general trend of this is things are
Speaker 22: either going to get monumentally worse or merely sort of worse.
Speaker 2: I do love those two options.
Speaker 22: Yeah, when your best chance is your hope, you're hoping
Speaker 22: the brain worms ate the part of his brain that
Speaker 22: remembered this specific conspiracy, you're in real trouble.
Speaker 3: I mean, RFK Junior is so emblematic of like the
Speaker 3: type of like democrat, kind of wing nut hippie environmental
Speaker 3: guy who then slowly has been pivoting to like the
Speaker 3: right wing conspiracy sphere. Like you've seen this with a
Speaker 3: lot of like you know, like hippie moms from like
Speaker 3: the nineties right who had very like you know, fluoride beliefs,
Speaker 3: vaccine beliefs, like all this type of stuff that was
Speaker 3: kind of more associated with this like kind of like
Speaker 3: slightly conspiratorial wing nutty section of like the left, and
Speaker 3: how much that entire sphere has been totally eaten by
Speaker 3: the right and now it's a pretty like successful and
Speaker 3: reliable voting block for them. And this has only become
Speaker 3: more of the case under Trump's first term. And now
Speaker 3: we are seeing it again with these types of guys
Speaker 3: not just on like Facebook comments sections, but now actually
Speaker 3: like heading up entire departments of state.
Speaker 22: Yeah, and it's also worth mentioning that part of the
Speaker 22: reason this stuff happens is because it's really profitable the
Speaker 22: anti vaccine lobby, and it is a lobby, has an
Speaker 22: unbelievable amount of money. You see a lot of people
Speaker 22: pivot towards it. I'm going to close this out by
Speaker 22: yelling at there's a media organization called grey Zone, which
Speaker 22: if you've been involved in anti Palestine activistm you've probably
Speaker 22: seen some of their reporting. They are also like pivoted
Speaker 22: into this kind of anti vaccine stuff. And you know,
Speaker 22: you remember remember at the top what I talked about
Speaker 22: Jay Badachaira, who's that anti lockdown fanatic who's going to
Speaker 22: be in charge of the National Institutes of Health. He
Speaker 22: is a guy that, like Grey Zone, interviewed on their
Speaker 22: fucking website and put out a bunch of articles in
Speaker 22: support of his anti lockdown stuff. Right, And so this
Speaker 22: is something that we've been seeing for the last four years,
Speaker 22: is a lot of people who are supposed to be
Speaker 22: leftists pivoting towards his anti vax stuff. Gibidor is another
Speaker 22: example of this. Yes, yes, literally purely because it makes
Speaker 22: you a lot of money. And now that now these
Speaker 22: grifters just have their guy in office, and all of
Speaker 22: us are going to have to live with the consequences
Speaker 22: of it unless unless we stop this jackass from being
Speaker 22: put into office, which is not impossible. It's it's it's
Speaker 22: not without hope. This guy has a lot of enemies,
Speaker 22: both among like the people, and also in corporate America
Speaker 22: so h and also.
Speaker 2: In the animal kingdom. That's true, that's true. He has
Speaker 2: he has many enemies. Families of the dead carcasses he draws.
Speaker 3: Around well, and this is the families of the microbials
Speaker 3: in those carcasses which have wormed their way literally into
Speaker 3: his brain.
Speaker 24: Yeah.
Speaker 25: Hello, and welcome back to It could Happen Here, a
Speaker 25: show that is no longer hypothetical now that it is
Speaker 25: happening here. I'm your occasional host, Molly Conger, and today
Speaker 25: I just want to talk to you a little bit
Speaker 25: about your online security. It's a hot topic right now
Speaker 25: for obvious reasons, and this won't be a comprehensive overview
Speaker 25: on the subject by any meanings. I'm sure there will
Speaker 25: be more episodes in the future covering specific angles on
Speaker 25: this more depth, but today I just want to touch
Speaker 25: on some basics, especially for people who may be asking
Speaker 25: themselves some of these questions for the first time. This
Speaker 25: is more of a mental framework and a pep talk.
Speaker 25: The main message here is don't freak out. I'm not
Speaker 25: saying the situation isn't serious for your concerns aren't real.
Speaker 25: It's very serious, But freaking out is not going to
Speaker 25: do you any good. And if you're looking for complicated,
Speaker 25: high tech solutions to the very real anxiety that you're
Speaker 25: feeling right now, this episode doesn't have it. That's not
Speaker 25: what I have for you today. And I know a
Speaker 25: lot of people have really specific concerns about apps they
Speaker 25: might be using to track their menstrual cycles or fertility.
Speaker 25: And we're not going to touch on that today because
Speaker 25: I think it's a topic that deserves its own episode,
Speaker 25: and an episode where I talk to an actual expert.
Speaker 25: So I'm hoping to get that out next month. So
Speaker 25: what are we talking about? The answer is pretty simple,
Speaker 25: calming down and shutting up.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 25: It's only Thursday when this airs, but it is always
Speaker 25: shut the fuck up Friday in our hearts, because the
Speaker 25: main source of the risks you can do something about
Speaker 25: is your own mouth. Because here's the thing. I'm not
Speaker 25: an expert on digital security. I'm not a computer programmer
Speaker 25: or a hacker. I had to call our producer Danil
Speaker 25: one time because I went to record an episode and
Speaker 25: my little recording device said no, and I almost cried.
Speaker 25: And it turned out I accidentally slid the little tab
Speaker 25: on the data card that locks it. I don't know,
Speaker 25: but what I do know a lot about is how
Speaker 25: to exploit someone else's lack of digital security. If you're
Speaker 25: a listener to my show We're Little Guys, you know
Speaker 25: that I kind of have a knack for finding out
Speaker 25: everything there is to know about a guy. So what
Speaker 25: I can offer you is a sort of reverse engineered
Speaker 25: guy to stay safe online from someone like me but evil.
Speaker 25: I like to tell people that you should be thinking
Speaker 25: of your digital security kind of like your health. People
Speaker 25: are going to have different risk factors, different vulnerabilities, different concerns,
Speaker 25: different goals. If you're undocumented or on a student or
Speaker 25: work visa, the risks and possible consequences for you are
Speaker 25: very different. If you're queer or trans or a person
Speaker 25: of color, your risk profile looks different. If you're economically
Speaker 25: dependent on family members whose politics don't align with yours,
Speaker 25: your risk profile is different. If you have a criminal record,
Speaker 25: if you work in a field where your political activity
Speaker 25: is a significant threat to your continued employment, if you're
Speaker 25: running for office, if you have a security clearance, if
Speaker 25: you have children or vulnerable family. These are all different vulnerabilities,
Speaker 25: and you're going to have specific concerns that are unique
Speaker 25: to you. And this isn't meant to address those specific
Speaker 25: risk scenarios. But just like people who may have different
Speaker 25: risk factors when comes to their health, everyone can benefit
Speaker 25: from the basics. You know, no matter who you are,
Speaker 25: you have to wash your hands, and when it comes
Speaker 25: to digital security, a lot of People want to jump
Speaker 25: right to the exciting, complicated technical fixes. You know, they
Speaker 25: want the Kim Kardashian full body MRI equivalent of being
Speaker 25: safe online. People want to talk about buying burner phones
Speaker 25: and getting a Faraday bag and evading high tech surveillance,
Speaker 25: but they're not washing their hands. People love to say
Speaker 25: they're going to buy a burner phone. But if you
Speaker 25: go to Walmart and you buy a burner phone and
Speaker 25: you put your credit card into the machine that is
Speaker 25: recording a video of your face, and then you take
Speaker 25: that phone home and turn it on inside your house
Speaker 25: next to your real phone, you've done nothing but waste
Speaker 25: your time and money. So we're not talking about solutions
Speaker 25: like that. We are talking about is boring, un sexy,
Speaker 25: basic stuff that everybody can and should be doing before
Speaker 25: they jump into the deep end. If you choose to
Speaker 25: go that route, because I'm not saying you should worry
Speaker 25: about more advanced threats, I'm just saying you have to
Speaker 25: start here. So before you can figure out how to
Speaker 25: mitigate a risk, you have to nail down what that
Speaker 25: risk actually is, what is the outcome that you're hoping
Speaker 25: to avoid. There's a lot of anxiety right now about
Speaker 25: unknowable possibilities, and it's really easy to get overwhelmed with
Speaker 25: the what ifs of a worst case scenario and then
Speaker 25: you just end up feeling really helpless. And look, yeah,
Speaker 25: there are some potential threats here that I don't have
Speaker 25: the tools to help you address, But that doesn't mean
Speaker 25: you shouldn't be taking the steps that are within your
Speaker 25: control right now. You have to fight off that feeling
Speaker 25: of helplessness. So what we're talking about here is threat modeling.
Speaker 25: It gave a little workshop a few months ago about
Speaker 25: digital security, and the first thing I asked the group
Speaker 25: was what is the bad thing that you were worried
Speaker 25: will happen? And most people's answer to that was they're
Speaker 25: worried about getting doxed. Okay, that's that's fair, that's a
Speaker 25: valid fear, But what do you mean by that? What
Speaker 25: specifically is the piece of information you are worried someone
Speaker 25: will discover? Is it your name, your address where you work?
Speaker 25: Is it connecting two pieces of your online identity that
Speaker 25: you thought were separate. Docxing can mean a lot of
Speaker 25: things to different people at a different contexts, and it
Speaker 25: can happen in degrees. Right, Like you know my full
Speaker 25: legal name. I'm you know, dosed to whatever extent that
Speaker 25: means anything. But this could still happen to me. Someone
Speaker 25: could still discover a piece of information about me that
Speaker 25: I wish they didn't have. And most people can't become
Speaker 25: completely anonymous. I can't help you do that, and honestly,
Speaker 25: I don't think that should be most people's goals. Don't disappear.
Speaker 25: I'm not telling you you should disappear. This is just
Speaker 25: about figuring out what makes sense for you and what
Speaker 25: you can do to nap gate the landscape that you've
Speaker 25: chosen to operate in. So, what is the actual negative
Speaker 25: outcome specifically that is making you feel afraid? What is
Speaker 25: the concrete thing that you are thinking about when you
Speaker 25: experience that fear. And people's answers tend to be that
Speaker 25: they're worried about getting harassed, They're worried about their physical safety,
Speaker 25: They're worried about negative fallout at work or at school.
Speaker 25: People's fears tend to be about things like getting arrested,
Speaker 25: getting sued, getting fired, getting hurt, and getting embarrassed. And
Speaker 25: so the next question is can you identify the potential
Speaker 25: sources for the kinds of harm you're worried about, and
Speaker 25: you can sort these into a few primary categories. The
Speaker 25: state can harm you. That's the police, the government. You
Speaker 25: can get charged with a crime. Institutions can harm you.
Speaker 25: If you're a student, you can get in trouble at school,
Speaker 25: If you have some kind of professional license, people could
Speaker 25: file complaints against you. Politicians and organized political groups can
Speaker 25: harm you. You know, Marjorie Taylor Green might tweet your
Speaker 25: TikTok video or Canary Mission might do a blog post
Speaker 25: about where you work. And right wing groups can harm you.
Speaker 25: You might get targeted harassment from some Nazi telegram channel.
Speaker 25: Worst case scenario, maybe you were physically threatened or attacked
Speaker 25: by an extremist group. You could get swatted. And then
Speaker 25: there's just this sort of wild card of the random
Speaker 25: strangers and Internet mobs and the way they factor into
Speaker 25: and exacerbate all of the above scenarios. When it comes
Speaker 25: to harm from the state, that's beyond what we're talking
Speaker 25: about with this digital hand washing metaphor. A lot of
Speaker 25: the prevention steps you can take today are still going
Speaker 25: to help you. They're still worth taking. But at the
Speaker 25: end of the day, if the government wants to know
Speaker 25: who runs a Twitter account, who drove to a protest,
Speaker 25: who supported a movement, who donated money. That's beyond the basics.
Speaker 25: Most of what I have direct experience with are just
Speaker 25: these basic measures that you can take to day to
Speaker 25: make it a little bit harder for the average weird
Speaker 25: little guy to get into your business. It'll stop the
Speaker 25: average online troll, it'll slow down a decent sleuth, but
Speaker 25: it's not the kind of stuff that stops a guy
Speaker 25: with a warrant. Think of protecting your online identity like
Speaker 25: being inside your house. If you have no curtains, someone
Speaker 25: walking down the street can see you, even if they
Speaker 25: didn't go out of their way to look. If you're
Speaker 25: putting everything out there with no thought to digital security,
Speaker 25: somebody could dox se you without even trying, just like
Speaker 25: they would be able to see and through your windows
Speaker 25: from the street. Somebody who is a little more curious
Speaker 25: about you might walk into your yard. But if you
Speaker 25: put up a fence, maybe that person will decide this
Speaker 25: isn't really worth my time. Somebody who loves peeping in
Speaker 25: windows really wants to see you. He's gonna hop your fence, right.
Speaker 25: But the average troll will see these barriers and they'll
Speaker 25: get bored. But again, curtains, a fence, a locked door,
Speaker 25: a guard dog. These don't stop a guy with a warrant.
Speaker 25: So we're talking about just putting up barriers that slow
Speaker 25: down and discourage the average low to mid level weirdo.
Speaker 25: In short, do let your Facebook set your accounts to private,
Speaker 25: you signal, put a pass code on your phone, say less,
Speaker 25: and try to do something about the data brokers. Let's
Speaker 25: break these down one at a time. I'm sure it's
Speaker 25: been talked about on this show before, but I tell
Speaker 25: everyone in my life download Signal. Download Signal. It's free,
Speaker 25: put it on your phone. It's just an encrypted messaging app,
Speaker 25: and I use it by default, pretty much exclusively in
Speaker 25: place of regular texting, just because it's easier for me
Speaker 25: to have everything in one place. It doesn't collect or
Speaker 25: store your metadata, it doesn't back up to the cloud,
Speaker 25: and you can set all of your conversations to automatically
Speaker 25: disappear at whatever time interval you choose. You don't need
Speaker 25: text messages from a year ago.
Speaker 2: You don't.
Speaker 25: Those can never help you, They can only hurt you.
Speaker 25: Just let them go and turn off the biometric unlock
Speaker 25: on your phone. Whether that's a fingerprint or a face ID.
Speaker 25: Turn it off, turn it off. Set a passcode. If
Speaker 25: you get arrested and you have your phone on you,
Speaker 25: they can use your finger or your face to unlock
Speaker 25: it without a warrant. But if you have a passcode,
Speaker 25: you're a little bit safer. So set a pass code
Speaker 25: that's at least six digits long longer if you can
Speaker 25: bear it, I know. But when it comes to social media,
Speaker 25: you have some choices. You may look at your own
Speaker 25: threat model and say, why don't care if everyone can
Speaker 25: see what I've posted? And that's okay, right. We all
Speaker 25: have different goals and vulnerabilities. And if you're a very
Speaker 25: public organizer, then yeah, you need public social media. But
Speaker 25: if you've been using Facebook for two twenty years, you
Speaker 25: probably weren't always very careful about what was on there.
Speaker 25: And there are privacy settings now where you can retroactively
Speaker 25: set all of your old posts to a new privacy settings.
Speaker 25: You should do that start there if you haven't done that,
Speaker 25: but that still leaves a lot of digital debris. If
Speaker 25: you've changed your display name to something more private in
Speaker 25: recent years, something that isn't your current legal name, old
Speaker 25: posts that other people made about you still have your
Speaker 25: old name in them. So if they tagged you ten
Speaker 25: years ago, that old name is still a link to
Speaker 25: your current profile, and you can't control the content that
Speaker 25: your friends and family posted years ago. And on the
Speaker 25: flip side, if in the end you decide you don't
Speaker 25: care what's on your Facebook about you, when you're doing
Speaker 25: your threat modeling, consider the people close to you, because
Speaker 25: when I'm working at this from the other side, a
Speaker 25: lot of times I'll find that, you know, the guy
Speaker 25: that I'm looking for has done a pretty good job
Speaker 25: cleaning up his own digital presence, but his wife, his mom,
Speaker 25: his sister, someone in his life as not. So if
Speaker 25: there's someone in your life who maybe is at greater
Speaker 25: risk than you are, don't be their weak spot. And
Speaker 25: if you're in a position to do so, talk to
Speaker 25: the people in your life about this. Have these conversations
Speaker 25: about what are our risks, what are our goals. Let's
Speaker 25: do a digital hygiene tech together, because you can build
Speaker 25: an impenetrable digital fortress around yourself. But if you're aunt
Speaker 25: Kathy is live streaming your baby shower, that didn't do
Speaker 25: you much good.
Speaker 2: And now that more.
Speaker 25: People are talking about these kinds of concerns. You can
Speaker 25: try broaching the subject with people in your life that
Speaker 25: may not have been receptive to it a year ago.
Speaker 25: Show your mom how to set our Facebook to private.
Speaker 25: Take the time to explain to your less political siblings
Speaker 25: why they should think about the ways in which their
Speaker 25: social media use might expose someone they care about. Don't
Speaker 25: just scold them or you say it's reckless that you're
Speaker 25: doing this, talk about why so when it comes to
Speaker 25: social media, I'm saying delete your Facebook as a sort
Speaker 25: of shorthand for the general cleanup of the stuff that
Speaker 25: you've left online for the last twenty years. Cleaning up
Speaker 25: your online presence is the number one thing you can
Speaker 25: do right now to thwart the bizarro universe version of
Speaker 25: me who is trying to collect every piece of information
Speaker 25: about you. Because even if you're careful today, even if
Speaker 25: you're so smart about it now and you're not putting
Speaker 25: anything online that puts you at risk, you weren't always
Speaker 25: that careful. We're all guilty of it. People who've been
Speaker 25: doing this for a long time, people who know better,
Speaker 25: We're all guilty of being a little messy online. It's okay,
Speaker 25: there's no shame that you didn't know before. Don't feel silly,
Speaker 25: don't feel guilty. Just start cleaning it up today and
Speaker 25: so to figure out what exactly you might have been
Speaker 25: leaving out in the open, one thing you can try
Speaker 25: is doxing yourself, or do it with a friend, right,
Speaker 25: try doxing each other. So start with a completely clean cash,
Speaker 25: do your cookies whatever, Open an incognito browser, Start with
Speaker 25: a blank slate, and just google yourself. Google your name,
Speaker 25: your address, your phone number. Google the usernames that you
Speaker 25: currently use on various sites. But google the username you
Speaker 25: used in high school. Google your old aim handle, Google
Speaker 25: the email address you made when you were twelve.
Speaker 4: What comes up?
Speaker 25: And is that information you want everybody to have? Probably not.
Speaker 25: Start by deleting accounts you don't use anymore. Just wipe
Speaker 25: those bad boys right out. Don't need those. A lot
Speaker 25: of people have no idea that the ghost of their
Speaker 25: old MySpace page still exists online. I've actually used that
Speaker 25: one fairly recently to confirm the details about a person's
Speaker 25: close associates and family members. They hadn't logged into MySpace
Speaker 25: since twenty ten. But your top eight lives forever. So
Speaker 25: delete or set to privates any account that you don't use,
Speaker 25: don't need, or just don't need to be public facing.
Speaker 25: Log into every social media site, every forum, every online
Speaker 25: store where you've ever created an account, and just look
Speaker 25: at what's visible. Your online reviews may contain information about
Speaker 25: where you live. Your profile on some forum you posted
Speaker 25: on in twenty twelve probably has your birthday on it.
Speaker 25: And if you're an active Pinterest user, your Pinterest boards
Speaker 25: are probably revealing a lot more information about you than
Speaker 25: you realize, information about your family, your interests, your plans
Speaker 25: for the future. People will make Pinterest boards with names
Speaker 25: like Jaden's second birthday, and now I know that you
Speaker 25: have a son named Jaden whose second birthday party you
Speaker 25: were planning last July. That's a real example. So set
Speaker 25: these things to private. Change your profile picture to something
Speaker 25: that isn't your face. Look at your username. Did you
Speaker 25: have to put some numbers at the end of that
Speaker 25: because the one you wanted was taken? Are those numbers
Speaker 25: your birthday? And vary your usernames a little bit. Unless
Speaker 25: you have some kind of professional reason for using a
Speaker 25: personal brand across every platform, don't use the same username everywhere.
Speaker 25: Keep separate areas of your life separate. Don't make it
Speaker 25: any easier than it needs to be to connect these
Speaker 25: different pieces of your digital footprint into one picture of
Speaker 25: who you are. Because again I'm not talking about becoming
Speaker 25: completely anonymous online. A lot of people need to exist
Speaker 25: online as the person that they are. You have a LinkedIn,
Speaker 25: you do public facing organized. I'm not saying you need
Speaker 25: to disappear from online, but if you have accounts that
Speaker 25: you don't want connected back to.
Speaker 4: Your true identity.
Speaker 25: If there are pieces of you that exist that you
Speaker 25: don't want side by side, don't connect them. So if
Speaker 25: you anonymously run a social media account for an activist group,
Speaker 25: don't use it to follow your own real account. Don't
Speaker 25: like your boyfriend's posts when you're logged into your anarchist
Speaker 25: shit posting account if you don't want it connected to you,
Speaker 25: don't create overlap. If you post a screenshot from one
Speaker 25: social media platform onto another, you know, a screenshot of
Speaker 25: a tweet on your Instagram, whatever, be mindful of what's
Speaker 25: in that image. Is there a thumbnail of your own
Speaker 25: profile picture in there? Does the screenshot show that you
Speaker 25: interacted with that post? Because a filled in heart on
Speaker 25: an Instagram screenshot is something I have used as a
Speaker 25: building block for a docs. And maybe you've never posted
Speaker 25: anything identifiable on Twitter, but if you're a link to
Speaker 25: your Twitter account on Reddit, or are you in a
Speaker 25: big discord and you shared one of your own posts
Speaker 25: with your friends in there, like hey look at this
Speaker 25: bangor tweet I'm going viral. And I say both of
Speaker 25: those specifically because both of those are specific mistakes that
Speaker 25: I have seen people make that were for me a
Speaker 25: crucial link between two accounts that connected the dots to
Speaker 25: figure out who they were. Use two factor authentication, use
Speaker 25: a password manager, use complex passwords, never recycle a password.
Speaker 25: Check databases like have I been poned? See what's been
Speaker 25: leaked about you? And some of that data is out
Speaker 25: of your control now, but it's out there and you
Speaker 25: can't call it back. But you can change all of
Speaker 25: your passwords today. You can download a password manager and
Speaker 25: change all of your passwords today, and all of your
Speaker 25: passwords should be something different from one another. I'm going
Speaker 25: to say it again, change all your passwords. Stop using
Speaker 25: your dog's name as your password for everything. It was hard,
Speaker 25: but I did it, okay. And when you're doing this
Speaker 25: digital hygiene check, you know you're googling yourself, you're checking
Speaker 25: these breach databases. One of the things you're going to
Speaker 25: find is your address, your email address, and your phone number,
Speaker 25: and your parents' names and your parents' address. All of
Speaker 25: these pieces of what you thought were personal private information.
Speaker 25: They are bought and sold to data brokers, and these
Speaker 25: data brokers put them online on sites that people can
Speaker 25: pay to access. Feel like people Finder, True people Search,
Speaker 25: White Pages. There's hundreds of them.
Speaker 17: Now.
Speaker 25: By law, all of these sites have to have a
Speaker 25: link on them somewhere where you can ask them to
Speaker 25: delete your information. Some of them make it kind of hard,
Speaker 25: and it may take weeks for them to actually honor
Speaker 25: the request, and you may have to follow up. But theoretically,
Speaker 25: if they're operating legally, you do have the ability to
Speaker 25: manually clean up how much of your personal information comes
Speaker 25: up from these data brokers. But I'll be honest with you,
Speaker 25: it's whack a mole. You could spend one afternoon a
Speaker 25: week for the rest of your life making opt out
Speaker 25: requests and following up on them and checking back to
Speaker 25: make sure it's really gone.
Speaker 4: You can do that.
Speaker 2: I used to do that.
Speaker 25: But there are also services that will do it for
Speaker 25: you for a fee. I think there may be an
Speaker 25: episode in the pipeline examining that particular ecosystem and some
Speaker 25: more details. So I won't go into the pros and
Speaker 25: cons of different services that exist, but if that's something
Speaker 25: you're interested in paying for, do some research about it
Speaker 25: before you put your money down. But at the end
Speaker 25: of the day, I just want you to remember you
Speaker 25: can't solve this whole problem. That might sound like a
Speaker 25: defeatist message, but I think it's healthy. I'm not saying
Speaker 25: it's hopeless. I'm saying you have to spend your energy
Speaker 25: where it counts. People ask me all the time, you know,
Speaker 25: are you worried about this or that specific threat? And
Speaker 25: the answer is yeah, probably, Yeah, of course I'm worried.
Speaker 25: But you can't let that fear overwhelmed you. You know,
Speaker 25: if I get fixated on the existence of threats that
Speaker 25: are outside of my control, I'll just freak out, and
Speaker 25: that makes me less capable of focusing on mitigating the
Speaker 25: threats that are within my control. So don't put blinders on,
Speaker 25: don't lie to yourself. You know, be realistic, but don't
Speaker 25: wear yourself out worrying about things that are so far
Speaker 25: out of your control that all you have is fear.
Speaker 25: So today, now take a deep breath, delete your MySpace
Speaker 25: account and talk to your mom about setting all her
Speaker 25: old Facebook pictures to private.
Speaker 1: What's pew pew in my pew ows? This is Robert
Speaker 1: Evans and it could happen here? A podcast about it
Speaker 1: happening here? As it seems to be more every week
Speaker 1: and when things get worse, one thing that a lot
Speaker 1: of folks start talking about is should I buy a gun?
Speaker 1: And obviously this is a fraught question and the only
Speaker 1: responsible answers to it are very complicated. And so to
Speaker 1: talk over some very complicated answers, we've got James Stout
Speaker 1: and we have in the audience with us the great
Speaker 1: Carl Casarta, Carl of en Range TV. Thank you for
Speaker 1: coming on to be our resident firearms expert in this
Speaker 1: podcast where we try not to be deeply irresponsible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for having me on.
Speaker 9: It's always a pleasure to come back to the show,
Speaker 9: and people always ask for more collabs, and here we are,
Speaker 9: but on a very important topic. And yes, Billy courtion
Speaker 9: I have is now is when do you change the
Speaker 9: name of the podcast too?
Speaker 19: Oh?
Speaker 1: No, it's happening here. We're talking with the marketing people.
Speaker 1: It done happened here.
Speaker 5: Oh shit, it's happening again. It's been happening here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, here, it is here now right in this moment.
Speaker 2: Be here now it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we got to work out which one seo's best.
Speaker 5: But we're on it, Carl, don't worry. We're working on it,
Speaker 5: so as I think both of you know, but maybe
Speaker 5: listeners don't. Gun sales typically saw before elections as to
Speaker 5: ammunition purchases. People are afraid of gun bands has been
Speaker 5: traditionally one reason why, and the firearms industry is not
Speaker 5: afraid of hyping those up to increase sales in election years,
Speaker 5: and normally prices increase in line with demand. Like if
Speaker 5: you go back to November twenty twenty and look at
Speaker 5: the prices of ammunition and guns compared to now, you'll
Speaker 5: see how much incredibly high they were. That was for
Speaker 5: a number of reasons. But considering inflation, gun prices are
Speaker 5: pretty low right now.
Speaker 1: You know that is kind of a recurrent thing. For
Speaker 1: the most part, is that while everything else gets more expensive,
Speaker 1: television and firearms remain affordable.
Speaker 9: Yeah, gone gone to the point where they are more
Speaker 9: affordable than they've ever been. Uh huh, Yeah, they really
Speaker 9: are Air fifteens or I used to talk about this
Speaker 9: on air fifteens are essentially cord wood and you can
Speaker 9: get a fully fled good to go air fifteen now
Speaker 9: for like four to five hundred bucks, to the epistols
Speaker 9: for two hundred and fifty bucks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the prices on guns are like through the floor.
Speaker 9: And yeah, it's interesting to note that, Like, if you
Speaker 9: are a gun manufacturer, a firearms dealer, even if you
Speaker 9: don't hype elections, it would be unintelligent of you to
Speaker 9: not prep for elections because they're so consistently Yeah, the
Speaker 9: Christmas of gun sales.
Speaker 2: So this is an instance in which we didn't see that.
Speaker 2: It's it's kind of interesting.
Speaker 1: I think there's an element because obviously when we talk
Speaker 1: I think to people who are not into guns and
Speaker 1: talk about how cheap guns have gotten, they're like, well,
Speaker 1: that's very bad, and there's definitely downsides to that. But
Speaker 1: an upside of that is it does kind of suggest
Speaker 1: we are not seeing the degree of panicked hoarding for
Speaker 1: a civil war that we have seen at previous points
Speaker 1: when gun prices were not as as cratered and AMMO
Speaker 1: prices were a lot higher, and ammovilla the availability was
Speaker 1: a lot lower. Like in some ways that's kind of
Speaker 1: an optimistic sign.
Speaker 9: Yeah, or the dark side of that is the traditional
Speaker 9: prepper air quote is so saturated in guns and ammunition.
Speaker 2: Right, but they don't even need another one, right.
Speaker 1: Well, that's I think that is where a lot of
Speaker 1: people are.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Also, like capacity really increased in twenty twenty, and I
Speaker 5: think they've been pumping out Like it's interesting to look
Speaker 5: at like the cost of nine millimeters and five five
Speaker 5: six ammunition, which if you're not familiar, are like the
Speaker 5: most commonly used defensive ammunition rounds compared to more niche
Speaker 5: stuff like that hasn't gone down as much if you're
Speaker 5: trying to get three hundred wisdom or something.
Speaker 9: The funny thing that, yeah, five five six and nine
Speaker 9: milimeters both to defensively add well is just recreationally are
Speaker 9: the most common ammunition.
Speaker 2: Yeah, by far.
Speaker 9: And some of the weird old stuff I like to shoot,
Speaker 9: like percussion caps for percussion revolvers. You can't find that
Speaker 9: stuff to save your life. That's those through the roof
Speaker 9: and expensive. So yeah, they've literally just bunkered down. Cook
Speaker 9: intent there and are make five six a nine millimeters
Speaker 9: because that's where the.
Speaker 2: Demand is and will continue to be.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't find you can't see it. I have
Speaker 5: a little reloading set up here. I can't find shot
Speaker 5: gun primus or send powders anyway.
Speaker 1: Now, and this is going to be a problem because
Speaker 1: if we have another Cowboys and Aliens kind of situation,
Speaker 1: what are we going to use? You know, what is
Speaker 1: Harrison Ford going to use to save us? Anyway? Nobody
Speaker 1: saw that movie? Why am I making that joke?
Speaker 2: Let me know, I've got a good stashion. We're all
Speaker 2: going to be leaning heavily on carl.
Speaker 5: Call for all humanity.
Speaker 1: So I think we've gotten a little bit ahead of
Speaker 1: our skis here. We should we should start by talking,
Speaker 1: because again, I think we've all seen a lot of
Speaker 1: people being like, well, I guess I should get a
Speaker 1: gun now, as in the wake of Trump's victory. And
Speaker 1: I think the first caveat we should give everyone is like,
Speaker 1: if you are reacting in a way that is totally
Speaker 1: reasonable to this news being depressed, right, if you're somebody
Speaker 1: who deals with suicidal ideation, if you have been spiraling lately,
Speaker 1: if you have been thinking about self harm. If you
Speaker 1: are just not in a stable mental place, and especially
Speaker 1: if you have no experience with firearms and are not
Speaker 1: in a stable mental place, don't go rush to pick
Speaker 1: one up now. Look for one thing. I assure you
Speaker 1: they will be available in the future. They are not
Speaker 1: gonna get harder to buy.
Speaker 2: No, you know. It mights be of a line from
Speaker 2: the movie We.
Speaker 9: Were Soldiers, which is actually a pretty pretty good movie
Speaker 9: speaking oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: Not a Gibson.
Speaker 9: It was pretty good, And there's a scene where like
Speaker 9: the old hardened soldier from Korea World War two in
Speaker 9: Korea gets the Vietnam and he's like, he's just got
Speaker 9: a pistol, and like everyone's around him saying don't you
Speaker 9: want an M sixteen? He goes, don't worry, There'll be
Speaker 9: plenty of those laying around if I need one. So right,
Speaker 9: kind of that's where we're at in this country.
Speaker 2: Don't worry, There'll be plenty laying around if you need one. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we are not entering a period where that's you know,
Speaker 1: I think there are some specific worries where there may
Speaker 1: be attempts to restrict specific groups from arming themselves. But
Speaker 1: even so, I wouldn't say that elevates it above a threat.
Speaker 1: If you are dealing with suicidal ideation, having a gun
Speaker 1: is is not a talisman, as our friend tactical girlfriend
Speaker 1: often brings up, and you shouldn't treat it as one.
Speaker 1: And part of what that means is that, like, you
Speaker 1: have to model like the threat that you're facing, right
Speaker 1: and if you are not in immediate danger, if nobody
Speaker 1: is threatening to kill you specifically, you know, then that
Speaker 1: may not be the safest thing for you, right and particularly,
Speaker 1: I think the other side of it that Carl, you
Speaker 1: are much more qualified to talk about with than me,
Speaker 1: is that if you are going to buy a firearm,
Speaker 1: if you want that to be a thing that can
Speaker 1: actually protect you in a situation where you are in danger,
Speaker 1: where someone is threatening your life, you have to train
Speaker 1: with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 9: No, absolutely, I think that not to make to make
Speaker 9: light of that at all with that little joke about
Speaker 9: that movie, but the reality is we as people humans
Speaker 9: in general, all of us are bad at threat modeling.
Speaker 9: And that's not to say that the perceived threat that
Speaker 9: we're seeing with the results isn't real. Yeah, I think
Speaker 9: it is, But that said at the moment, if you're
Speaker 9: dealing with some of those issues like you mentioned, or
Speaker 9: the living situation you're aund, or even the community around right,
Speaker 9: isn't one in which a firearm laying around is particularly safe.
Speaker 9: Could mean that you're actually inducing more threat and risk
Speaker 9: to yourself than what might come in two years. So
Speaker 9: that is something we have to think about very carefully.
Speaker 9: Can I possess this responsibly? Do I know how to
Speaker 9: use it responsibly? Am I in a place not only
Speaker 9: in my living situation, but my mental state that possessing
Speaker 9: this very quick and easy to use lethal device is
Speaker 9: safe to have around? Those are questions you should ask
Speaker 9: first before worrying about tomorrow.
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, I mean maybe we should address like a
Speaker 5: couple of things that Kyle said right off the bat,
Speaker 5: Like you said having a firearm lying around, right, One
Speaker 5: thing that we should address is like, I know I
Speaker 5: recently purchased a new gun safe, but like if you
Speaker 5: have ex budget to buy a gun. Robert also mentioned
Speaker 5: that without training, your liability with the gun. Right, maybe
Speaker 5: we can break down if you have one thousand dollars,
Speaker 5: you don't need to go out and spend a thousand
Speaker 5: dollars on your gun. Right, perhaps it would be better
Speaker 5: to save some of that money and put it towards
Speaker 5: other things. I think it might make sense to just
Speaker 5: break those down for people in case they're not familiar.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that that might be a good place
Speaker 1: to start. Is if you decide number one, I'm in
Speaker 1: an emotionally stable place. I either have some specific threats
Speaker 1: or I want to be prepared for a future where
Speaker 1: those threats are more likely. And let's start with a
Speaker 1: budget of one thousand dollars, right, And you know this
Speaker 1: is one of the there's going to be people who
Speaker 1: can't afford a budget of one thousand dollars and that's
Speaker 1: very unfortunate. But this is one of those things that
Speaker 1: like isn't fair, right, Like guns cost money. Not everyone
Speaker 1: has disposable income. But one thousand dollars I think is
Speaker 1: a reasonable floor for not just acquiring a firearm, but
Speaker 1: like the things you need to be able to start
Speaker 1: building proficiency with. It's like, let's talk about that car,
Speaker 1: Like what would you do would you advise someone with
Speaker 1: a grand who is looking into getting into shooting and
Speaker 1: also being set up to potentially defend themselves if they
Speaker 1: need to.
Speaker 2: Right, So this this.
Speaker 9: Well, it's such a nuanced question and answer because there's
Speaker 9: so many variabilities there, one of which is you have
Speaker 9: to understand the living situation you in.
Speaker 2: Are you living in a place that is solely your own?
Speaker 2: Do you live with roommates, do you have children and
Speaker 2: your parents?
Speaker 9: I mean, like these things all come into the equation
Speaker 9: about how well can you secure this thing should you
Speaker 9: acquire it? And so that comes up to do you
Speaker 9: need a full bolt into the wall safe? Do you
Speaker 9: need something that is locked with cable underneath the bed
Speaker 9: that still is reasonably difficult to get into but is
Speaker 9: accessible otherwise? Do you have a situation in which you're
Speaker 9: the only one that could access this and therefore you're
Speaker 9: not worried about that? So the first thing you have
Speaker 9: to think about is, though I'm taken possession of responsibility
Speaker 9: of this, it is a lethal weapon, what am I
Speaker 9: going to do to make sure that that doesn't fall
Speaker 9: into the wrong hands? Whether there are people that live
Speaker 9: within your own structure or outside of it should something
Speaker 9: go awright, So you have to consider that. So right
Speaker 9: off the bat is what are the situation I'm in
Speaker 9: and what are the things I need to consider to
Speaker 9: make sure this doesn't leak out of my control, because
Speaker 9: we've seen in so many instances, especially some of the
Speaker 9: horrible spree shootings and such, in which is not the
Speaker 9: person to possess the gun, but someone around them that
Speaker 9: took it from them and used it for them. Absolutely,
Speaker 9: And that's because it wasn't stored well. And so that's
Speaker 9: number one. So you're going to think about one, are
Speaker 9: you getting a small a pithol or a long arm?
Speaker 9: And that's a discussion that we had too, but those
Speaker 9: two equate. And then depending on which one of those
Speaker 9: two you're acquiring determines the kind of safe storage requirements
Speaker 9: that also aligned with your current living situation. Of course,
Speaker 9: the best thing is a safe bolted to the floor
Speaker 9: that only you can get into. But that's not viable
Speaker 9: for everyone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, but it's something right yeah, Yeah. What comes
Speaker 1: along with that is you also, this is going to
Speaker 1: be true at every stage of this process, you need
Speaker 1: to know the laws of your state and maybe even
Speaker 1: your local area. Right Like in Oregon we have very
Speaker 1: strict safe storage laws, right Like, you can be held
Speaker 1: accountable to a higher degree in this state if you
Speaker 1: don't secure a weapon and someone gets access to it
Speaker 1: right now. Obviously, if you have a safe and someone
Speaker 1: drills into your safe, you're not liable, right like you
Speaker 1: took the actions you could to stop them from being
Speaker 1: able to get to your firearms. There's not an expectation
Speaker 1: that you have a fortress of solitude or whatever, but
Speaker 1: you have to have taken reasonable steps to lock them away, right,
Speaker 1: And you know that's going to be different. A lot
Speaker 1: of states have absolutely no requirements whatsoever, but you need
Speaker 1: to be aware of what your local legal situation is.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I appreciate you bringing that to the table because myself,
Speaker 9: living in Arizona, we have no such rules, and so.
Speaker 2: I can essentially you can just keep them on the floor.
Speaker 9: I could stab them in my front yard, right I'm
Speaker 9: like to put him out in the yard.
Speaker 2: We'll see. I had extra rs.
Speaker 1: I use him to make a fence cheaper than would
Speaker 1: right now, literally cold would now.
Speaker 9: So the thing about that is this is again, these
Speaker 9: things get more and more complicated over time. But we
Speaker 9: don't want to make this conversation impenetrable. But like, the
Speaker 9: kind of safe you acquire is important too, and this
Speaker 9: is that's a deeper topic than we could ever do
Speaker 9: in one video. I'm gonna go ahead and just dovetail
Speaker 9: out to a friend of mine, Devian Olaf. He has
Speaker 9: a channel he does a lot of video work about
Speaker 9: gun safe and which ones are good or bad. But
Speaker 9: let's just say the chief ninety dollars thing with the
Speaker 9: cylindrical key lock, isn't it.
Speaker 2: So you've got to be a little better than that.
Speaker 2: So I would ask the me, let's go with costs
Speaker 2: you're buying.
Speaker 9: Let's say in air fifteen, you're probably going to need
Speaker 9: to spend and I'm guessing here around two hundred fifty
Speaker 9: dollars for a safe that's actually worth a dam.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's about what I spent recently for little
Speaker 5: handguns safe. Yeah, so's let's build on that. Right, Let's
Speaker 5: say you've decided that you want a gun and that
Speaker 5: it's safe for you to have a gun. I think, Yeah,
Speaker 5: the first thing you ought to prioritize is making sure
Speaker 5: that no one who for whom it is not safe
Speaker 5: gets that gun, which we've addressed right. The second thing
Speaker 5: that you need to prioritize is that you could use
Speaker 5: that gun safely and like you're another liability every time, Yeah,
Speaker 5: that you pick up and load that gun, right.
Speaker 1: Yes, And part of that is in and maybe I
Speaker 1: will have different opinions on this, but I think we're
Speaker 1: probably sympatico picking the right type of firearm. I see
Speaker 1: a lot of people saying, I am worried I'm going
Speaker 1: to get attacked. You know, I've been I've gotten a
Speaker 1: death threat. You know, I'm scared, particularly of this group
Speaker 1: of you know, Nazis or whatever. So I'm going to
Speaker 1: buy a handgun. And I will tell you right now,
Speaker 1: my opinion is that if you are looking for a
Speaker 1: self defense weapon, a handgun probably shouldn't be what you
Speaker 1: pick unless you are looking to carry a gun.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, that's a good quote, right.
Speaker 9: I carry a handgun because it's unwieldy to walk around
Speaker 9: with a fifty BMG.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, I cannot.
Speaker 1: I cannot take my ar with me in the street, right,
Speaker 1: so I keep a nine on me.
Speaker 2: You know, handguns are.
Speaker 9: The most difficult thing to use skillfully under distress and
Speaker 9: duress than any other firearm. And yes, above and beyond that,
Speaker 9: they are actually the least fact of it doing the
Speaker 9: job you think they're going to do than anything else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they're a shocking number of people are shot
Speaker 1: way more times than you would expect they could survive
Speaker 1: with a handgun, right, Like that is just a reality
Speaker 1: of the way that they work, because they're much much
Speaker 1: less powerful than a rifle. And it's also like I
Speaker 1: had a friend a couple of years ago who bought
Speaker 1: a snubnose thirty eight, thinking, well, this is simple, I
Speaker 1: can't fuck it up. It's a good And I took
Speaker 1: her out and was like, I'm going to set up
Speaker 1: a ten foot target and we'll see how many times
Speaker 1: you can hit it with this gun. And she could
Speaker 1: not do it one out of five times. And then
Speaker 1: I brought out my glock and she was able to
Speaker 1: hit it every time.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: And it's because one of those is a much easier
Speaker 1: weapon for somebody who is complete a complete novice to
Speaker 1: learn how to use functionally, right. And it's not the
Speaker 1: snubnose thirty eight.
Speaker 9: Yeah, in the roughest of most senses. Typically the smaller
Speaker 9: the gun is, the more a professionally you need to
Speaker 9: be to use.
Speaker 2: It, right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And like with that in mind, you're responsible for
Speaker 5: every shot you fire, right training in self defense? What
Speaker 5: by fucking accident? Because you don't have to clean your
Speaker 5: gun or what have you. Every bullet that leaves that barrel,
Speaker 5: it's your fault and every one of theirs is potentially
Speaker 5: someone's life. So when you're thinking about buying a and
Speaker 5: you want to have something where you can a handle
Speaker 5: it safely and be discharging and know where that bullet's
Speaker 5: going to go.
Speaker 9: Yeah, So on that note, this has been asked for
Speaker 9: me many times, and we're talking about where all we
Speaker 9: are on the same page. It's like when someone asking
Speaker 9: me this question and it comes up more than you'd think.
Speaker 9: First of all, we're getting past the issue of like
Speaker 9: are you safe to own this and safe storage? So
Speaker 9: now we're at the point you are buying a gun, right,
Speaker 9: so you have to think, oh, what's the threat?
Speaker 2: Are we worried.
Speaker 9: About three years from now and the potential realities of
Speaker 9: a very caustic and dangerous political future. Are you worried
Speaker 9: about only home defense? Are you worried about your own
Speaker 9: self protection walking down the street, because obviously you're not
Speaker 9: going to be well, not obviously, but for the most part,
Speaker 9: you're not going to be carry an AR fifteen down
Speaker 9: the street. But if you are only worried about your castle,
Speaker 9: make a joke about castle doctor, and if you're only
Speaker 9: worried about your house, inside your house, there is no
Speaker 9: reason to be picking a pistol none whatsoever.
Speaker 1: Now, I will say that there's a number of folks
Speaker 1: in the lefty gun space who will say, so, just
Speaker 1: get an AR fifteen. That's not always going to be
Speaker 1: practical depending on your loss, right, Like, that is not
Speaker 1: something that we can say everyone will be able to do, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: but we can say there will be a non handgun
Speaker 1: option that will probably be a better fit for you.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 9: Absolutely, And this is where we see a lot of
Speaker 9: people in the gun space. It's kind of weird, like
Speaker 9: cultural shifts in those zeitgeist what's the cool defensive thing
Speaker 9: of the time. But there's a lot to be said
Speaker 9: depending on what you think you're going.
Speaker 2: To have to shoot it.
Speaker 9: Hopefully never of course, but like, yeah, an AR fifteen
Speaker 9: does things like armour piercing in terms of kevlar and
Speaker 9: da da da da dah. But for home defense, it
Speaker 9: really still is kind of hard to go wrong with
Speaker 9: a shotgun in many instances, and that should not be ignored.
Speaker 9: You know what else should it be ignored?
Speaker 2: Huh?
Speaker 5: It's our obligation to pivot to advertisements about every fifteen
Speaker 5: minutes on this show.
Speaker 2: All right, we're back, Kyle.
Speaker 5: You've mentioned that you think a shotguns can be more
Speaker 5: effective than NOW fifteen especially. Another thing I would add
Speaker 5: is here, in a state like California, the laws regarding
Speaker 5: simulartomatic centifire rifles are incredibly confusing. It's extremely easy to
Speaker 5: buy something on Amazon and slap it on your gun
Speaker 5: and render it a felony.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would generally say, like in most situations, an AR,
Speaker 1: if you're new to shooting, it's going to be easier
Speaker 1: to figure out. They're very simple, easy to upgrade and modify.
Speaker 1: But like, yeah, in California. In a state New York
Speaker 1: is similar, it's very easy to commit a felony with
Speaker 1: an AR fifteen and not know that you are. And
Speaker 1: you don't want to find out that your gun is
Speaker 1: a felony when you have to use it in self defense.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 9: This is an instance in which the good old man again,
Speaker 9: I'm not trying to I'm not I'm not on team
Speaker 9: shotgun here, but when it comes to cross all state lines,
Speaker 9: I mean, sure, there's an exception somewhere, but for the
Speaker 9: most part, a manually pump activated shotgun, Yeah, is likely
Speaker 9: to not run a foul of the law anywhere. Additionally,
Speaker 9: through a good chance that if you were to and
Speaker 9: we have to consider all realities, there's a good chance
Speaker 9: that should you need to use it, that when you're
Speaker 9: in court trying to defend yourself for using this lethal weapon.
Speaker 9: A shotgun doesn't seem to evoke the same concerns, let's say,
Speaker 9: from courts and from judges that an ar might and yar.
Speaker 9: You know, regardless of how common they are and how
Speaker 9: much they proliferate society, there's still those scary rifles. A
Speaker 9: shotgun does not tend to evoke that same kind of response.
Speaker 9: It is most likely legal almost anywhere, and the diversity
Speaker 9: of ammunition you can use in it really bridges the
Speaker 9: gap from one yard to one hundred yards or more.
Speaker 9: But a lot of people that are new to guns,
Speaker 9: we'll think, well, shotgun don't need to aim. That is incorrect.
Speaker 9: Shotguns need to be aimed as much as any other
Speaker 9: long arm. They're just very effective when they actually connect.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one of those I think because I do change,
Speaker 1: like what I am taking with me based on where
Speaker 1: I go, and like when I'm in California. I generally like,
Speaker 1: if I'm going camping or something, I'll make sure I
Speaker 1: have a twelve gage in the car, right, because I'm
Speaker 1: not going to try to get whatever this month's gun
Speaker 1: laws are, right, you know, like that's just not practical
Speaker 1: to me. That said, I think because there are a
Speaker 1: number of people who will be very frustrated us talking
Speaker 1: about shotguns. One thing that they are right about is
Speaker 1: there's a different type of training that's necessary with the shotgun,
Speaker 1: and they are in some ways more complicated to use
Speaker 1: than an AR in part because for every shot, well,
Speaker 1: unless it's a semi automatic, like for every shot you're
Speaker 1: pumping it, right, and like that, there's muscle memory that
Speaker 1: has to be built there. Right, it's harder, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit slower to get up to a
Speaker 1: level or at least you have to train differently with it.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: The other thing about it is that like it loads
Speaker 1: very differently. You know, a shotgun is a completely different
Speaker 1: kind of ammunition than an AR has, which all goes
Speaker 1: back to the whole like you have to be willing
Speaker 1: to train with whatever it is you're going to use
Speaker 1: fair enough.
Speaker 5: Yeah, See, ideally, like if you're in this position of thinking,
Speaker 5: if you can find a friend or failing that, arrange
Speaker 5: that will allow you to try different guns. I think
Speaker 5: as a novice you're going to pick up if you've
Speaker 5: never shot a gun before. I probably wouldn't pick up
Speaker 5: a twelve googe shotgun and start peuing away because the
Speaker 5: recoil will be quite profound and notable to you. So
Speaker 5: don't start there. Start with something else.
Speaker 1: There's smaller shotguns at twenty gauge, yeah.
Speaker 5: And those are fine, especially if you're a smaller statute person.
Speaker 5: Even a twenty eight or sixteens are hard to probably
Speaker 5: buy defensive ammunition for. But I think if you can,
Speaker 5: when you begin that journey, like after the TV ball,
Speaker 5: say with Hanggouns, find one that fits your hand. You
Speaker 5: probably have no idea what fits you and feels good
Speaker 5: if you're just starting out. Yeah, finding someone who is
Speaker 5: local to you, ideally who has some experience who can
Speaker 5: help you along that process, I think, and someone who
Speaker 5: you trust, right Like I've been like I have to train.
Speaker 5: I have a concealed carry weapons permit in California. The
Speaker 5: last time I went to take a course, like from
Speaker 5: the outset, I got like xenophobe homophobia, like jokes that
Speaker 5: I guess the guy who was instructing the course thought
Speaker 5: that everyone was in on just like they made me
Speaker 5: feel unwelcome and I'm assist white guy. Yeah, but I
Speaker 5: think maybe we should address that, Like if you're thinking
Speaker 5: getting started, what kind of instruction should you look for?
Speaker 5: Where should you look for it? And like what would
Speaker 5: you recommend? Maybe other sources to Kyle, Like your YouTube
Speaker 5: channel has been a great resource for me.
Speaker 9: This is this is where we're in the firearms it's
Speaker 9: owning a thing doesn't make a community. So there's always
Speaker 9: a phrase the gun community. It's not a thing owning.
Speaker 9: Owning a thing doesn't make a community. A community is
Speaker 9: a group of people that bond together over mutual beliefs
Speaker 9: and hopefully care for one another. So there's no firearms community.
Speaker 9: But that's the broad scope of people that have been
Speaker 9: interested in the topic for the longest doration of time.
Speaker 9: Has been mostly succeeded to a group that we would
Speaker 9: not find ourselves aligned with or comfortable with being around.
Speaker 9: And so this is where the community building thing is real,
Speaker 9: because the more we build communities and we're hid in
Speaker 9: this regards in terms two alternative voices in the firearm space.
Speaker 9: But the more we build that community not only online
Speaker 9: but amongst one another, the more we're going to have safer,
Speaker 9: better spaces for us to work together to learn how
Speaker 9: to use these things safely and efficiently.
Speaker 2: And that is a challenge.
Speaker 9: If you walk in sight unseen to a place that
Speaker 9: is probably foreign to you in firearms land, sadly at
Speaker 9: this time point in time, is a pretty good chance
Speaker 9: it's not gonna be something you're gonna be comfortable with.
Speaker 9: Quite honestly, just like you mentioned James, like, it's gonna
Speaker 9: be that kind of stuff. There's probably gonna be Trump
Speaker 9: stuff on the wall, there's probably going you're probably gonna
Speaker 9: hear some jokes that are just jokes, but you know
Speaker 9: they're really not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the kind of space that that's filled with.
Speaker 9: And so when people come and say, well, who can
Speaker 9: I go to to get this training with, I'm like,
Speaker 9: that's challenging. There's some options online, there's like Operation Blazing Sword,
Speaker 9: There's there's there's the Liberal Gun Club has some training
Speaker 9: options as well. But what's better is finding people and
Speaker 9: interconnecting with people of like mind around you. If you
Speaker 9: can and working together and then actually building a real
Speaker 9: community that isn't a gun community, and that's where we're
Speaker 9: going to find solace and the ability to get better
Speaker 9: with this stuff together. Not a great exactly a strong answer,
Speaker 9: but if the truth. But if you're going in, if
Speaker 9: you're going in just unhindered, you're going to expect it
Speaker 9: to be a place that you're probably not going to
Speaker 9: be happy with.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that's a really good point. I'd
Speaker 1: like you can we talk a little bit more about
Speaker 1: training options, like not just because you mentioned Operation Blazing Sword,
Speaker 1: I'd like to hear a little more about them, but
Speaker 1: also where people could go for like reading and videos
Speaker 1: in order to kind of find more information on how
Speaker 1: to develop proficiency.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 9: So okay, So YouTube university doesn't teach you how to
Speaker 9: actually like effectively hit targets with something that stiffly that
Speaker 9: you can you can't. There's no way to learn that
Speaker 9: besides doing it. But in terms of general firearms understanding,
Speaker 9: learning some of the history, learning about how guns work,
Speaker 9: there are some YouTube resources out there. Tactical Girlfriend, you're
Speaker 9: already mentioned, has four years of a legacy of content
Speaker 9: on her site that a lot of it is focused
Speaker 9: on beginner style content. In fact, she just posted a playlist.
Speaker 9: He has kind of stopped making videos in general, she
Speaker 9: mentioned that a while back, but she still has her
Speaker 9: content online and she posted a playlist recently of all
Speaker 9: of her how to get going videos one oh one stuff,
Speaker 9: and that would kind of be where I'd start with.
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, my channel in range TV has some of that.
Speaker 9: I tend to focus a little bit on the more
Speaker 9: esoteric and like next level things, but that's not to
Speaker 9: say it's not there as well. So I'm not trying
Speaker 9: to sell promote, but I would actually say her playlist
Speaker 9: is going to be better than some of my own,
Speaker 9: although we have stuff like that on range TV as well.
Speaker 9: If you want to open up that dark boy called Reddit,
Speaker 9: the Liberal Gun Club has resources on it. If you
Speaker 9: go there, they have a list of people and local resources.
Speaker 9: You can also google the Liberal Gun Club. I'm not
Speaker 9: even trying to say anyone doing that is necessarily identifying
Speaker 9: as a liberal, but they have gathered lists of statewide
Speaker 9: resources as many as they can that are providing training
Speaker 9: in regional places. That would be a good place to start.
Speaker 9: Operation Blaeding Sword is a subset of that Blake.
Speaker 2: I'll I can. I pronounced them that day.
Speaker 9: Blake has been on my channel and you'll find him
Speaker 9: there in the Liberal.
Speaker 2: Gun Club listing. When I think of that, I would say,
Speaker 2: go to YouTube.
Speaker 9: Hit up Tactical Girlfriend, go to in Rey's TV if
Speaker 9: you want to see maybe not one on one but
Speaker 9: next level stuff, but a friendly space to you, and
Speaker 9: then check out the Liberal Gun Club best I can say,
Speaker 9: because they do have a list of resources that they're
Speaker 9: gathering across the country.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think one thing that Tactical Girlfriend talks
Speaker 1: about that is acuse because you're right, and I think
Speaker 1: this is an important point that, like, you have to
Speaker 1: spend time shooting, and you know that costs money in
Speaker 1: order to get better, But there is one thing that
Speaker 1: you can do that does not cost ongoing money to
Speaker 1: get better with a handgun. If you're again looking to
Speaker 1: carry a gun, which is dry fire training, right, which
Speaker 1: is a very useful process of building proficiency, you can
Speaker 1: do it. I mean you could do it every day
Speaker 1: if you want. It will help. It does not replace
Speaker 1: needing to go shoot right, but you can find guides.
Speaker 1: Tactical Girlfriend talks about it a lot, but you can
Speaker 1: find other guides online, and that is a way that
Speaker 1: you can kind of stretch your AMMO budget and gain
Speaker 1: additional proficiency.
Speaker 9: There are even products designed specifically for that. One of
Speaker 9: them popul Mind, and there are others like mantis X.
Speaker 9: And you make sure your gun is safely unloaded and
Speaker 9: your proficient with that part of it. You've put these
Speaker 9: devices in and you can actually fire. A dry fire
Speaker 9: is firing with no ammunition in the gun. Click at
Speaker 9: a target on the wall and it'll teach you things
Speaker 9: about like did you pull to the right, did you
Speaker 9: push to the list? Did you dip the gun? And
Speaker 9: those are very good products that you can use once
Speaker 9: you buy them. Gets more money, but you could train
Speaker 9: proficiently in a safe place without firing live ammunition and
Speaker 9: improve your skills quite a bit.
Speaker 2: That's good.
Speaker 1: Point yep.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would say another organization I would plug his
Speaker 5: armed quality, especially if like LGBTQIA people a friends of mine,
Speaker 5: very nice people. Perhaps we should go back then to that,
Speaker 5: like Rubbitts mentioned dry firing, we'd meant, well, first I
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Speaker 5: Rubbit should go back to Chumba Casino.
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Speaker 5: All right, we're back. So we've had a discussion about training,
Speaker 5: safe storage, and a little bit about like what to
Speaker 5: look at firearms wise. But I want to go back
Speaker 5: to that third one because you are marketed at so
Speaker 5: heavily when you're trying to buy a firearm, right, and
Speaker 5: the likelihood of you getting misinformation. Right, we all know
Speaker 5: smaller statute people who have been given yeah as snubnose
Speaker 5: thirty eight a gun that's entirely inappropriate for them. Caw
Speaker 5: what like if you could maybe go through like each
Speaker 5: major category, right, if we do hanggun, shotgun, semi automatic rifle,
Speaker 5: maybe one that is compatible with ar band states, and
Speaker 5: one that's you know, yeah, you're in real America.
Speaker 1: There are some options like the ares SCR that are
Speaker 1: basically AR fifteen's that are a lot easier to keep
Speaker 1: in compliance in a state like California, but they are
Speaker 1: also more than twice as expensive as like a budget
Speaker 1: AR fifteen right, Like, which is not to say it's
Speaker 1: impossible to have a budget AR fifteen that is in
Speaker 1: comp lot in compliance with California law. It's just I
Speaker 1: am not going to take on the responsibility of telling
Speaker 1: you how to do that legally, because when I lived
Speaker 1: in California, I was only about eighty percent sure that
Speaker 1: I was in compliance.
Speaker 2: With the law.
Speaker 5: If you're in California, my advice would be to go
Speaker 5: to a shop and buy the gun complete. Yes, don't
Speaker 5: piece it together off the internet.
Speaker 1: That's good at good advice.
Speaker 9: Oh well, if you're a new gun owner, don't piece
Speaker 9: to get anything together because the knowledge to make something
Speaker 9: reliable that you've put together from bits and pieces is
Speaker 9: not a good idea. You want something that's got to
Speaker 9: I mean literally, you want something from a quote unquote
Speaker 9: reputable manufacturer but has a warranty.
Speaker 2: Like, let's just be that.
Speaker 9: Don't even start with trying to put something together. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 9: so let's just go ahead and start with pistol. So
Speaker 9: the challenge there is like, of course, it would be
Speaker 9: very nice to be able to buy like four of them,
Speaker 9: because you can train with the twenty two and practice
Speaker 9: with this. But let's go with the constraint that we
Speaker 9: had earlier of this thousand dollars and you're going to
Speaker 9: buy a pistol and with it you plan to train,
Speaker 9: get better, be proficient, but also maybe have to use
Speaker 9: it for self defense.
Speaker 2: You really want to stick with a nine millimeter.
Speaker 9: I mean there are smaller guns like three eighties and
Speaker 9: such like that, but we're getting into specialist guns. Yeah,
Speaker 9: is what I'm going to say here across the board.
Speaker 9: When I recommend something, it's going to be the opposite
Speaker 9: of specialist. It's going to be the most bland, boring
Speaker 9: possible thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 9: And when it comes to that, and I know that
Speaker 9: everyone like. But it's a nine milimeter probably a glock Yep.
Speaker 9: The glock nineteen is a relatively reasonably sized gun. The
Speaker 9: seventeen's a little bigger the nineteens. In this nice middle ground,
Speaker 9: it is carriable, it's small enough to be concealed should
Speaker 9: you have the right to do so, but it's big
Speaker 9: enough to be viable for being reasonably accurate with with
Speaker 9: not extensive amounts of training, but enough training to be
Speaker 9: to get good.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's a.
Speaker 9: Bunch around the nine millimeters magazine that just playing works Yep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep.
Speaker 5: If you're on a tight digit I will say that
Speaker 5: cops are always you can find trade in police clocks
Speaker 5: pretty cheap. Cops don't shoot very much. You can sometimes
Speaker 5: get some pretty good deals on those.
Speaker 2: Yep. That's it.
Speaker 9: I'm revealing a little bit of future history of what's
Speaker 9: going on in range. We're doing a video in a
Speaker 9: couple of weeks. There is a strange trade imbalance between
Speaker 9: us and never mind the politics.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Turkey and they are.
Speaker 9: Making some really high end, well made guns. There is
Speaker 9: a glock clone from Turkey that I can't vouch for yet,
Speaker 9: but this is the kind of where we're at in
Speaker 9: the gun space. This thing is interchangeable with all glock
Speaker 9: parts and the guns.
Speaker 2: Like two hundred and fifty bucks.
Speaker 5: Oh well, you can't be.
Speaker 2: We don't know.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm not saying go buy that, but I'm saying
Speaker 9: we're going to do a review of it. The point
Speaker 9: is there are glocks and glocklike things that can get
Speaker 9: the price down.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, And so you're looking at you know, if you
Speaker 1: get a jit Ar for five hundred bucks, you know
Speaker 1: a budget not a nine millimeter handgun. Because even if
Speaker 1: with not counting that one, there are other budget options
Speaker 1: that are in the three hundred ish dollar range. You
Speaker 1: just have to look around a bit. And I should
Speaker 1: also note buying used with a firearm is not like
Speaker 1: buying used with electronics. If a gun is well maintained,
Speaker 1: it will outlast you. Yeah right, there are some parts
Speaker 1: that will need replacing from time to time. Right, Your
Speaker 1: springs and stuff are going to age faster than other things.
Speaker 1: And like barrels, you can shoot out, but it takes
Speaker 1: quite a bit of shooting to shoot a barrel, you know, smooth, right,
Speaker 1: So it's never a bad to consider like finding, like
Speaker 1: you said, like a police trade in or something like that,
Speaker 1: like that could be a great way to save money.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 9: So when it comes to a pistol, we're talking about
Speaker 9: buying just one pretty much boil it down to a
Speaker 9: nine millimeter yep. That is probably a polymer frame gune,
Speaker 9: not some big heavy steel thing. A glock is the
Speaker 9: is like the de facto. But there are others.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's there's hks, there's rugers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like SIGs, but they're priceier.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 9: The thing about glock is block's been around forever. It's
Speaker 9: the standard finding accessorizing, buying magazines or even getting repairs
Speaker 9: done to a block is ubiquitous across the country. If
Speaker 9: you get a glock, you'll be able to deal with it,
Speaker 9: fix it, do whatever you want to it straight up.
Speaker 1: And what has helped me a lot in general is,
Speaker 1: you know, I have my carry gun, I have my
Speaker 1: home defense firearm, and then I have bought built a
Speaker 1: couple of firearms from the ground up. And I would certainly,
Speaker 1: as you said, I would never have started there. But
Speaker 1: because I had the extra money doing that means that
Speaker 1: has given me so much deeper of an understanding of
Speaker 1: what goes wrong when things do go wrong with a
Speaker 1: gun and how to fix it. Like I've replaced every
Speaker 1: part on my carry gun at this point, right like
Speaker 1: over time, and it's like given me a much deeper
Speaker 1: level of understanding if just like mechanically, how these things function.
Speaker 1: You know, building an AR fifteen was the same process.
Speaker 1: And I'm really I do find that valuable. Obviously it's
Speaker 1: throwing more money at the problem two totally.
Speaker 9: So the other advantage of nine milimeter, which is reasonably
Speaker 9: cheap defeat and shoot, he reasonably cheap to practice with.
Speaker 2: For those of you that don't know anything about guns.
Speaker 9: He will typically practice with what's called FMJ bulkpack ammunition. Yeah,
Speaker 9: nine milimeters one hundred and fifteen grain. It's just a
Speaker 9: bullet that's got a copper jacket on it, and that's
Speaker 9: your practice AMMO. And then for Carrie, should you be
Speaker 9: carrying it, you'll probably want to carry something that's specifically
Speaker 9: designed to be defensive ammunition. They'll be far more expensive
Speaker 9: per box. But once you get to the point of yes,
Speaker 9: I am ready safe and capable to carry this, you're
Speaker 9: going to want to pick something gold dots spear gold
Speaker 9: dots are a HaLow point designed to specifically be for
Speaker 9: self defense. But make sure the gun you've chosen works
Speaker 9: reliably with that defensive ammo, because even though it works
Speaker 9: one hundred percent with that FMJ, it may not work
Speaker 9: with the defensive amil y'all might have to play with
Speaker 9: a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we should also know when you are buying AMMO online,
Speaker 1: which is not going to be legal in every state,
Speaker 1: but most people will be able to do this. It
Speaker 1: pays to be careful. There is a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: that is sketchier out there and there can be consequences.
Speaker 1: I have had a firearm, I have had like a
Speaker 1: handgun blow up in my hand as a result of
Speaker 1: getting ammunition that I had not shot before. This was
Speaker 1: in fact turkish. I think it was because I think
Speaker 1: it was a hot load, but it's possible that it
Speaker 1: was the result of a bullet be a squib and
Speaker 1: that then jammed in the barrel and then another round
Speaker 1: came in after it. I generally have been pretty good
Speaker 1: at checking to make sure there's a hole in the
Speaker 1: paper with each shot, which is something you should be
Speaker 1: making sure of like when you're shooting, because get if
Speaker 1: you shoot around that like does not have enough powder
Speaker 1: behind it, right, if you get a bad round, it
Speaker 1: can jam in the barrel, and then the second round
Speaker 1: can cause the barrel to burst. This is also why
Speaker 1: we always wear eye protection. But when looking at ammo,
Speaker 1: if you think this looks like good AMMO and it's cheap,
Speaker 1: look online. Add like reddit to the name. See what
Speaker 1: other people say about it, right, Like, see if you
Speaker 1: can find anything written about that. If other usually other people,
Speaker 1: if it's like a less reliable manufacturer will have said
Speaker 1: I've had a bad experience with this ammunition. Do your
Speaker 1: diligence right the first time you're shooting a new kind
Speaker 1: of cheap target AMMO.
Speaker 9: That that being said, like there's a lot of names
Speaker 9: that almost anyone that's never owned a gun before, we'll
Speaker 9: recognize names like Remington, right, Winchester. Yes, these are That's
Speaker 9: not to say that they don't make mistakes too, but like,
Speaker 9: if you're going to go buy a Winchester bulk pack
Speaker 9: of ammunition, you are bombing at least what is generally
Speaker 9: considered consumer level reliable AMMO.
Speaker 1: If you're buying it absolutely crazy, Bob's reloading shack right,
Speaker 1: you don't know that was what because it's a lot
Speaker 1: of the sketchy stuff isn't even a manufacturer. It's like
Speaker 1: AMMO that you may not notice immediately it's like, oh wow,
Speaker 1: this seems really cheap, and then it'll say in small
Speaker 1: letters remanufactured right, which means somebody has reloaded it, reloaded AMMA.
Speaker 1: And like, you know, you can reload AMMO and have
Speaker 1: it be perfectly good ammunition, but do you know who
Speaker 1: reloaded this AMMO?
Speaker 19: Right?
Speaker 9: I will tell you, as a person that shoots a
Speaker 9: lot and has been doing it for decades, I personally,
Speaker 9: even with all that, I will never fire remanufactured ammunition.
Speaker 2: I want to deal with crazy Bob's weird Badnesday. Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: crazy Bob's Bad Wednesday.
Speaker 5: It's a great Yeah. Yeah, we've addressed a pistol, right,
Speaker 5: like I want to dress lunguns. And then you mentioned
Speaker 5: a couple of things call which you should also address,
Speaker 5: which are like accessories. A Rubbitt mentioned ie protection. So
Speaker 5: let me let me.
Speaker 2: Add one more piece to the pistol and we'll move on.
Speaker 9: The thing now, the whizbang thing now is every pistol
Speaker 9: has a red dot site on it. A red dot
Speaker 9: site is essentially an electro optical box that sits on
Speaker 9: the top of the slide and you look through it
Speaker 9: to aim and it projects a red dot like almost
Speaker 9: like a laser dot if you're not familiar with.
Speaker 2: It, to aim with.
Speaker 9: For the most part, I'm not saying you shouldn't have
Speaker 9: one because they're cool, But for the most part, a
Speaker 9: person getting into this specifically for self defense does not
Speaker 9: need one of those. You don't need to spend three
Speaker 9: hundred dollars on a red dot. The iron sights that
Speaker 9: come on any of these guns should be sufficient for
Speaker 9: most purposes, So don't get into I need that. Yeah,
Speaker 9: if that's something you want later, think about it. But
Speaker 9: it's not a requirement.
Speaker 1: Now that said, if a gun has one on it,
Speaker 1: I don't agree with people who say, like, you can't
Speaker 1: learn to shoot on a red dot. I think that
Speaker 1: that's now you should. You will need to look up
Speaker 1: because it may not be sighted, how to site it right,
Speaker 1: because it like red dots are a thing like you
Speaker 1: need to dial them in right, and there is a
Speaker 1: way to do that. Again, you can find guides to
Speaker 1: this online, just like you can find guides like mounting
Speaker 1: a scope on a rifle. These are complex mechanical tasks.
Speaker 1: A red dot less so than a scope. But you
Speaker 1: can't just buy a gun with a red dot on
Speaker 1: it and trust that that red dot points out where
Speaker 1: the bullet's going to go. That's not how they work. Absolutely.
Speaker 9: My point being is if you gave me, you said,
Speaker 9: this person here needs to be able to hit a
Speaker 9: target fifteen yards.
Speaker 2: Away, you've got one hour.
Speaker 9: I would not be messing by giving them a red dot.
Speaker 9: I would give them with something with iron sights and
Speaker 9: just get them through the task.
Speaker 1: If that's what I go where I'm going with that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's perfectly reasonable. Yeah, I prefer like now
Speaker 1: that I know what I'm doing to use my red
Speaker 1: dots and stuff, but I also pretty regularly shoot with
Speaker 1: iron sights in part because I like it, Like it's
Speaker 1: it's enjoyable mechanically, and it's kind of how I learned.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or don't get me wrong, it is better.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it also have another level of complexity and it's
Speaker 5: more to go wrong, Like if you're installing that yourself,
Speaker 5: it's annoying and it's easy to mess up and then
Speaker 5: you're upset.
Speaker 2: And yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, let's move on to long guns. Like one thing
Speaker 5: that we should mention that you might buy an AR,
Speaker 5: specifically an AR actually and find that it comes with
Speaker 5: no sighting systems at all. Yes, and so that's the
Speaker 5: thing to build into your budget. So let's talk about
Speaker 5: like what to get for your budget in the long
Speaker 5: gun category.
Speaker 19: Calf.
Speaker 9: Yeah, so when we go to long guns, we talk
Speaker 9: about rifles and shotguns. Let's stick with rifles for now,
Speaker 9: I'm assuming so in that regard, this is this is
Speaker 9: the thing where like actually have a video on my
Speaker 9: channel about the NFA, which is the National Firearms Act,
Speaker 9: which is regulate it's a lot of like machine guns
Speaker 9: and stuff. But this also occur to across many gun
Speaker 9: control laws, they're frequently ablest, and the things that they
Speaker 9: pust the most rescriptions on are the things that are
Speaker 9: actually most capable. And that means that means Air fifteens
Speaker 9: in their general guys with a pistol grip and a
Speaker 9: red dot site which we just mentioned for pistols and
Speaker 9: a thirty round magazine is the thing that is going
Speaker 9: to be the most I could get anyone. I tell you,
Speaker 9: anyone capable of hitting it a target at fifty yards
Speaker 9: within a four hour training session with a red dot
Speaker 9: side at Air fifteen and a good magazine, it's a
Speaker 9: good ammunition. Air fifteens are light, low recoil. They're loud
Speaker 9: because of the five five six, but they're light, low
Speaker 9: recoil guns that almost any one of most body structure
Speaker 9: can handle. Now there's exceptions, of course, if you have
Speaker 9: specific physical challenges that's another discussion.
Speaker 2: But if almost anyone tiny.
Speaker 9: To large can handle a basic Air fifteen, and it
Speaker 9: is the gun that is most focused on for gun control. Ironically,
Speaker 9: this is like California where they take away things that
Speaker 9: make it more functional, like no pistol grip or reduce
Speaker 9: your magazine capacity because they're trying to diminish the functionality
Speaker 9: of the gun. But the reality is the reason they're
Speaker 9: doing that is because that is the gun that is
Speaker 9: most functional for most people, and it is therefore the
Speaker 9: one that almost anyone can handle pretty well with the smallest.
Speaker 2: Amount of training.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yes, And I think there's a good point there in
Speaker 1: if I were coaching someone who is buying an AR
Speaker 1: that has no you know, does not have iron sights
Speaker 1: on it at all, you are it is much easier
Speaker 1: to learn how to site in and use a red
Speaker 1: dot on an AR than learning how to adjust the
Speaker 1: site the iron sights on an AR fifteen. Right, Like,
Speaker 1: not that you can't learn that that you should again,
Speaker 1: you have to, you can watch a video on it,
Speaker 1: but it's much more intuitive to set up a red
Speaker 1: dot in that way.
Speaker 9: This is actually where I would flip flop. If you're
Speaker 9: with the pistol, don't concern yourself too much of the
Speaker 9: red dot. If you're going with an AIR fifteen, concern.
Speaker 2: Yourself with the release. Get a red dot to the opposite. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, unless you were like in the Marines or something,
Speaker 1: and you know how to dial in your irons, right,
Speaker 1: And even then, you're gonna have a better time with
Speaker 1: a red dot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, totally once, and a red dot is very intuitive.
Speaker 9: So one of the things that people are familiar with firearms,
Speaker 9: but when you bring up a long arm, there's multiple
Speaker 9: points of contact to the person shooting the gun. When
Speaker 9: you bring up a pistol, you probably have two hands
Speaker 9: on it and you're pushing your arms out almost like
Speaker 9: you're like making a triangle. When you're using a long
Speaker 9: arm like an air fifteen, there's a butt stock on
Speaker 9: your shoulder, your cheek is on the actual comb which
Speaker 9: is the base of the stock. Your other hand your
Speaker 9: support hand it's holding the gun up on the front
Speaker 9: of it. You have a minimum of three points of
Speaker 9: contact with a red dot. That makes it very stable
Speaker 9: and easy to get reliable hits. And the red dot
Speaker 9: means you can keep both eyes open, don't need to
Speaker 9: worry about the idiosyncrasies of focusing on a front site. Essentially,
Speaker 9: if it's neuro meaning the dot is regulated to where
Speaker 9: the gun hits, and you put the dot on the
Speaker 9: thing and press the trigger without doing something like jerking
Speaker 9: the gun, you'll hit the target.
Speaker 2: And so that's why that matters.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so what sort of budge each people be looking
Speaker 5: at and like, would you be comfortable recommending, like even
Speaker 5: brands that they should look at.
Speaker 9: It all comes down the cost when it comes to
Speaker 9: AIR fifteen. So you can spend as much money as
Speaker 9: you want. The reality is I have a video on
Speaker 9: the channel. Never mind if you like or just like
Speaker 9: the company. They're one of the ones that really pushed
Speaker 9: the lower cost products out there. PSA it stands for
Speaker 9: Palm Models pal Metal State Armory. You can go there
Speaker 9: and get your branded Trump lower but at the same time,
Speaker 9: you can get an AR fifteen for like four hundred bucks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like in the gun space, you're you're not
Speaker 1: going to find someone to buy who is spotless and
Speaker 1: selling guns in large numbers cheaply.
Speaker 9: Yeah, Like that's not so like. So so for four
Speaker 9: hunderd bucks are around there. From PSA, you can get
Speaker 9: a traditional what's called an M four. It's essentially a
Speaker 9: sixteen inch car beam. It won't have any sighting system
Speaker 9: on it, so expect to throw another two hundred bucks
Speaker 9: ish onto a reasonable red dot site on that. So
Speaker 9: for around the six hundred dollars, you're gonna get a
Speaker 9: gun that's going to weigh seven pounds, but it's gonna
Speaker 9: have low recoil and you're gonna have something that's for
Speaker 9: the most part, reasonably reliable. Is it the best of
Speaker 9: the comp is the best of the best. No, but
Speaker 9: it's reasonably lightweight. It is well manufactured. I've done videos
Speaker 9: about them on my channel. They've worked just fine. And
Speaker 9: so for a foreigner ish for the gun of the
Speaker 9: two hundred, for the sighting system, a couple mags, you
Speaker 9: could get out of the door for under seven hundred
Speaker 9: dollars with everything probably under that, maybe under six hundred
Speaker 9: even if you're careful.
Speaker 2: Oh but let me plug one thing.
Speaker 9: If you've got lots and lots more money, double that
Speaker 9: you get what would Starner do carbon which I designed.
Speaker 9: It'll be half the weight and super reliable from Katie Arms.
Speaker 1: But I love mine.
Speaker 2: Doesn't bring any money to me. I'm just saying.
Speaker 9: The point I'm making here is you can get something
Speaker 9: good enough, and if you've got more money, there is
Speaker 9: better out there that are lighter, more reliable guns.
Speaker 5: But you don't need to is my point.
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to sell anything here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they are one of the few manufacturers who offer
Speaker 5: like a California Compliance Solution check out, which is nice
Speaker 5: for California people.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, so that can be a really beneficial thing
Speaker 1: to you in terms of, you know, not having it
Speaker 1: the something that you're scared about.
Speaker 9: California Compliant will probably mean no flash hider, no pistol grim,
Speaker 9: and a fixed magazine at least at this point in time.
Speaker 5: You can have the removabal magazine if you don't have
Speaker 5: the flash height of the pistol grip and the collapsing stock.
Speaker 2: So okay, all.
Speaker 9: Right, Well, if you can buy it from them ready
Speaker 9: to go, there's I know, there's also magazine capacity requirements
Speaker 9: or in so maybe you have.
Speaker 2: To buy like a couple ten round bags or something
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 21: Yeah.
Speaker 9: Yeah, obviously thirty round bags are better than ten round bags,
Speaker 9: and for mostly if you live in a place like California,
Speaker 9: do not worry too much about that. If you get
Speaker 9: a little proficiency on that, a couple ten round bags
Speaker 9: will do a lot.
Speaker 1: And to be honest, in self defense shootings, the odds
Speaker 1: are load that you will be firing that many rounds
Speaker 1: right now. If you're in a self defense shooting where
Speaker 1: you do need more bullets than that, there's really nothing
Speaker 1: that can replace having those bullets you know available.
Speaker 5: But yeah, don't get reptrondiacs on it like it's not
Speaker 5: something you can change.
Speaker 1: The fact that you only have a ten round magazine
Speaker 1: does not mean that you can't become proficient.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and I don't want anyone here to think that
Speaker 9: I'm saying you shouldn't. You should be able to got
Speaker 9: six ye round magazine. As far as I'm concerned, places
Speaker 9: like California to have these restrictions have them statistically speaking,
Speaker 9: and I don't know if these this date has changed.
Speaker 9: Most self defense shootings happen within three yards, three seconds,
Speaker 9: three shots fired.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yep, yeah, yep. I think it's really good to
Speaker 5: remember that when you are seeing some YouTube they tell
Speaker 5: you you need to be able to have thirty rounds
Speaker 5: in five five hundred yards.
Speaker 1: I don't go downtown without my backpack and my SBRD
Speaker 1: three hundred black at with six thirty round magazine accessible.
Speaker 5: In conservative man scat of cities.
Speaker 9: Yeah yeah, I carry an RPG and I take the
Speaker 9: little safety cap off because I like to live that way.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, dangerously. Now my clothing is made out
Speaker 1: of debt cord. I just wear nothing but debt cord.
Speaker 1: Wherever I go, we're all going down.
Speaker 5: At least you take some people with you.
Speaker 2: It's all city blocks, the.
Speaker 5: Self defense mantad in.
Speaker 2: But let me say one more thing about long arms.
Speaker 9: Another thing you'll see from people that are new in
Speaker 9: the space, depending on what they've seen or what they've consumed.
Speaker 2: This is going to get some hate. Don't bother with AK, Yeah,
Speaker 2: just don't.
Speaker 9: This is the United States of America, and this country
Speaker 9: believes in the air fifteen. And what that boiled down
Speaker 9: to is they're everywhere.
Speaker 2: They're prolific.
Speaker 9: The parts are here, the repairs here, they're well manufactured.
Speaker 9: When you stray from that course to something like an AK,
Speaker 9: you're first of all, you're losing aeronomics.
Speaker 2: But that's a different problem.
Speaker 9: You're dealing with an unknown quantity of problems.
Speaker 2: You get an air fifteen. That's what's in this country.
Speaker 2: It's what's prolific. If you were in if you were
Speaker 2: in somewhere war torn Africa, get your AK here.
Speaker 1: I'll say this about the war torn AK countries because
Speaker 1: I've been in three countries where the primary arm is
Speaker 1: an AK M right like a kind of AK right Siri, Ukraine,
Speaker 1: in Iraq. In all three of those countries, every soldier
Speaker 1: who knew their stuff, who was proficient and had the
Speaker 1: option chosen AR platform. If they could get one hundred
Speaker 1: percent of the time, they're just better fire arms.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's been my experience as well.
Speaker 9: They look cool, but but but don't go yeah, just
Speaker 9: get an air fore Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like I love my ak's, but they're they're range fun toys,
Speaker 1: right like. Yeah, So let's talk about.
Speaker 5: Accessorizing, which again is much easier with ais and aks. Like,
Speaker 5: what other stuff do you need to build into your budget?
Speaker 5: If you've not shot before, you might not know that
Speaker 5: you need a pro ipro sling, maybe haulster.
Speaker 9: Well, we'll start with the firearms accessories, right, So with
Speaker 9: the pistol. First of all, we talked about safe storage,
Speaker 9: so that's already off the table. With the pistol, if
Speaker 9: you plan to carry it, you need a good reliable
Speaker 9: holster and a good reliable gun belt. Good lord, Yes,
Speaker 9: depending on how you want to carry it, that'll determine
Speaker 9: the kind of holster. If you want an outside the waistband,
Speaker 9: which means it sits outside your belt, that's one thing.
Speaker 9: If you're carrying it concealed, you're probably going to want
Speaker 9: on an inside the waistbund which.
Speaker 2: Goes between your belt and your body.
Speaker 9: Again under the level of training there, because when you're
Speaker 9: drawing from that, things can go wrong.
Speaker 2: Sure, and that's where people tend to shoot themselves. So
Speaker 2: that's what you needed to be very cautious of.
Speaker 9: H But with a pithtol typically you're gonna want probably
Speaker 9: an extra magazine or two. It may come with one,
Speaker 9: depending on what you bought. A quality gun belt and
Speaker 9: a quality holster.
Speaker 1: Now what about what about a forty four derringer and
Speaker 1: an ankle holster on each ankle, right like that seems
Speaker 1: like the ideal solution. Anytime you're in danger. You just
Speaker 1: got a squat right down there, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, no.
Speaker 9: Get real low, yeah, especially when you've been pushed pushed
Speaker 9: onto your back by the mob and you're there on
Speaker 9: that scene and you're pulling it out of your ankleholester.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, no, no, no, just get a wire around
Speaker 1: the trigger and attach it to your toes so that
Speaker 1: you can squeeze your toes and fire detention.
Speaker 9: What you need is the belt buckle revolver from North
Speaker 9: American UMS.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is great. Yeah. No, from that freaking movie,
Speaker 2: the vampire movie Quinn Tarantino.
Speaker 1: Oh geez, still that's still done.
Speaker 9: God yeah, no, before the pin belt, a magazine or
Speaker 9: two extra it might come with them, and a quality holster. Now,
Speaker 9: the obvious question is what's a quality holster, And the
Speaker 9: obvious answer is there's too many out there to be
Speaker 9: able to offer you that answer right now. Probably something
Speaker 9: polymer if it's going to be outside the waistband. And
Speaker 9: this will be another one that'll get people fired up. Generally,
Speaker 9: avoid the surpa holsters unless you really want to have
Speaker 9: a lot of training. Surple holsters are one that have
Speaker 9: a little button on the side that allows the gun
Speaker 9: to come out if you're not trained well or have
Speaker 9: the wrong gun in it. It also allows you to accidentally
Speaker 9: shoot yourself quite easily as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, best avoided. That's a very good point. And also
Speaker 1: one thing I will note is there's a danger that
Speaker 1: a lot of people aren't aware of with leather, which
Speaker 1: is that leather holsters. Now, there are some leather holsters
Speaker 1: that have like a trigger area reinforced with kaidex, which is,
Speaker 1: you know, a rigid, plasticky substance. But if it's not
Speaker 1: in time, those can start to like get weaker and
Speaker 1: warn in such a way that it can also cause
Speaker 1: it to press the trigger when you holster it. Like
Speaker 1: that's a thing that has happened to people. So I
Speaker 1: generally think you want whatever you want the trigger guard
Speaker 1: to be rigid and not something that's going to like
Speaker 1: warp and be malleable around the trigger. Right, Like the
Speaker 1: whole point is that it stops the trigger from fire.
Speaker 5: Yes, this you want to avoid that. How about with
Speaker 5: the with the long dens, Like, what are you going
Speaker 5: to need to budget for those? And then other things
Speaker 5: like for shooting Germany that you'll need if you don't
Speaker 5: already have then.
Speaker 9: So when it comes to the long arm, we already
Speaker 9: said if you're going to get an air fifteen, you're
Speaker 9: going to want to stick some sort of red odd
Speaker 9: side on it. The lowest cost ones that are the
Speaker 9: unbelievably bomb proof are a Chinese company called Hollow Song. Hell, yeah,
Speaker 9: I have a hollow Sun from twenty seventeen that is
Speaker 9: still works just fine.
Speaker 1: I love my hollow Suns.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my hollow Sun's been bounced down a asshall road
Speaker 2: and it still works fine.
Speaker 1: So it's the opposite of a fail sun a hollow sun.
Speaker 9: So you can pick up red dot hollows on those
Speaker 9: can go in. You can get those sometimes sometimes that
Speaker 9: low is like one hundred and fifty bucks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you'll need a red dot site.
Speaker 9: A sling is nice, not required, especially if you're going
Speaker 9: to be using within the premises of your property. You
Speaker 9: probably don't need to worry about that. It Also, slings
Speaker 9: can cause issues like get caught on things or on
Speaker 9: things in your house or even tangle you up, So
Speaker 9: that's a training issue. So sling is iffy. An extra
Speaker 9: magazine or two. And if you're planning on needing to
Speaker 9: use this for a defensive purpose inside of your home
Speaker 9: or structure or at night, it's not the worst thing
Speaker 9: in the world to throw on a flashlight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, especially if it's like a defensive firearm like
Speaker 1: it's your home defense gun or a carry gun like
Speaker 1: a flashlight. And also if you're I think it's generally
Speaker 1: a good idea if you're going to carry a carry
Speaker 1: firearm with a flashlight, have another flashlight that's not on
Speaker 1: a gun, because one thing you should never do is
Speaker 1: use your gun flashlight to look at just random shit.
Speaker 2: That you need a flash light.
Speaker 9: Bark, you come home at night in the dark, you forgot,
Speaker 9: you forgot, you can't find which key is the right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're using gun. Yeah, don't do that. Don't do that.
Speaker 5: Don't do that. That's a pretty good list of accessories set.
Speaker 5: Make sure you have a lad, air and eye protection
Speaker 5: as well.
Speaker 9: So we're gonna go all the safety side of things.
Speaker 9: You need proper shooting glasses. That means not the glasses
Speaker 9: that you picked up for readers at Walgreen. If they're
Speaker 9: shooting glasses can be as cheap as nine bucks, all
Speaker 9: the way up to hundreds of bucks.
Speaker 2: You can get them at the sporting good store.
Speaker 9: But they're designed with the kind of plastic to be
Speaker 9: able to take shrapnel or hits from pieces of fragments
Speaker 9: that are high velocity.
Speaker 2: They're meant for that. So ten dollars shooting glasses, yes,
Speaker 2: you need. Yes. Hearing protection. Those can be squishy earplugs
Speaker 2: you put in your ear, or they can be over
Speaker 2: the head. Moths do not ever shoot guns except in
Speaker 2: the most critical conditions or situations without eye protection and
Speaker 2: hearing protection, because that's the kind of stuff where you
Speaker 2: lose an eye and every time you fire that gun,
Speaker 2: you lose and hearing every.
Speaker 1: Time, yes, yes, and like for the really because obviously
Speaker 1: most like it hurts to shoot a firearm without hearing protection.
Speaker 1: Like you can get away with shooting a gun without
Speaker 1: EyePro every time, but the one time, right, which is
Speaker 1: why I really emphasize eye protection. It's easy to convince
Speaker 1: yourself I don't need to have it on right now?
Speaker 2: You do, yeah, like, because that's the day that it
Speaker 2: does the thing.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, guns do fuck up, for lack of a
Speaker 1: better term, and you really don't want your eye unprotected
Speaker 1: if they do.
Speaker 26: Yeah, it's it's a bad day, absolutely, and so but
Speaker 26: you on the safety side of eye protection and hearing protection,
Speaker 26: it can be as cheap as ten dollars shooting glasses
Speaker 26: and a bottle of the squishy earplugs.
Speaker 5: You're gonna be in there for twenty bucks. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: it doesn't have to be expensive. Make sure you have
Speaker 5: it and make sure you use it.
Speaker 9: But you know what, before you do any of this,
Speaker 9: you know what's a smart thing to do. Go take
Speaker 9: a class from Stop the Bleed and learn how to
Speaker 9: use turn a kIPS and medical gear. Yeah, and have
Speaker 9: that around anyway, before you ever buy a gun, go
Speaker 9: do that.
Speaker 2: Yes, a mess. That's the most important thing you could
Speaker 2: do for anyone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, And that, as you said, should be a
Speaker 1: priority before getting the firearm. And if you have the
Speaker 1: money to get and train a gun, you have no
Speaker 1: excuse for not having an individual first aid kit an
Speaker 1: IFAC and the knowledge of how to use it.
Speaker 9: Right, And I think Stop the Bleed classes are usually free.
Speaker 9: You can look it up and stop the Bleed dot
Speaker 9: com or dot org.
Speaker 2: Google it. Take a class that's chasy.
Speaker 9: How to use a tourniquet, use how to use a bandage,
Speaker 9: have an ifact as was just mentioned, which can be
Speaker 9: a pretty simple kit.
Speaker 3: Ye.
Speaker 9: And as you said, Robert, if you can afford a gun,
Speaker 9: you can afford that and have that with you on
Speaker 9: the range anytime you're shooting, because as you said, guns
Speaker 9: can fuck up. They usually don't, but if they do,
Speaker 9: you're gonna want that IFAC and that IFAC and that
Speaker 9: training might just help your neighbor one day when they get.
Speaker 2: In a car accident or whatever.
Speaker 1: I regularly make the decision not to carry my gun
Speaker 1: with me places. Right, you know, I'm going to go
Speaker 1: out and get drunk tonight I don't need if I
Speaker 1: have a firearm onde me when I'm drunk. But you
Speaker 1: know what I always have is the I fact right
Speaker 1: every single time. You know, because number one drunk with
Speaker 1: an IFAC, I'm no.
Speaker 2: I might, I'm.
Speaker 1: Probably less effective, but I'm not going to endanger anyone.
Speaker 1: You're just like, hey, buddy, I think you need a
Speaker 1: parn kit. He's like, no, give me here. Google said,
Speaker 1: this goes around the neck.
Speaker 2: But once again, a.
Speaker 9: Sotoppable class on an IPAC is more likely to serve
Speaker 9: you or your community more than any gun ever will.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's a great place. I would say
Speaker 5: that if you are going down this pathway and you're
Speaker 5: looking to join openly leftist gun organizations, there are several, right,
Speaker 5: John Brown Gun Club, Socialist Rifle Association, We've had those
Speaker 5: people on a show before. Be cautious when you're doing that,
Speaker 5: and keep an eye on things because that could be
Speaker 5: something that might get you into into trouble in the
Speaker 5: long run. So it's something to be aware of.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it might be good to just put a holder
Speaker 1: on joining a new organization until we're a few months
Speaker 1: into this.
Speaker 2: Thing coming up next year.
Speaker 1: Maybe I have an idea about what kind of things
Speaker 1: might be safe and what kind of things might be
Speaker 1: less safe.
Speaker 9: Definitely no, But none of that stops you from using signal,
Speaker 9: building community and learning how to use a firearm properly.
Speaker 1: Right at meeting people, yes, and like training with them,
Speaker 1: you know, and taking getting training, building proficiency. Absolutely, all
Speaker 1: of that is legal and will remain legal. Just don't
Speaker 1: start if anyone ever talks to you about let's make
Speaker 1: a militia, do that. It's time to leave that conversation,
Speaker 1: right because, among other things, at this point there's a
Speaker 1: good chance they're the FBI.
Speaker 5: If you live in Michigan, do not.
Speaker 9: Yeah yeah, this podcast brought to you by co Intel pro.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, that's great.
Speaker 2: But I mean it's a tough challenge.
Speaker 9: So the other thing you can do is also, once
Speaker 9: you've got your basic proficiency up and you know that
Speaker 9: you are safe in terms of handling things, let me
Speaker 9: throw this out there too. It doesn't have to be
Speaker 9: any specific one. Although remember you're going into a space
Speaker 9: that may not be political.
Speaker 2: Your comfortable place.
Speaker 9: A good place to build up skill is to go
Speaker 9: shoot matches competitions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for the most part, it's business oriented. You'll see.
Speaker 9: You'll hear some stupid comments here or there, depending on
Speaker 9: what match you're at, but the reality is you're not
Speaker 9: there for that. You're there to get better with your
Speaker 9: gun on a course of fire that they put up
Speaker 9: for you. Pay your ten bucks or twenty bucks and
Speaker 9: learn how to shoot better in those conditions. And that's
Speaker 9: another space to once the basic trainings out of the way,
Speaker 9: don't go to a match the b training. Use the
Speaker 9: match to help increase your skill after you've gotten training.
Speaker 9: But those matches can be a place to really help
Speaker 9: you out a lot. And there's a lot of them
Speaker 9: around and those are easier to find than almost anything.
Speaker 5: Yep, practice scores where you can lick them up if
Speaker 5: you're into that kind of thing. Excellent, Thanks very much
Speaker 5: for joining us, Kyle. Do you want to very briefly
Speaker 5: plug your YouTube channel. Where can people find you?
Speaker 23: Well?
Speaker 9: Sure, and thank you for having me on the show.
Speaker 9: It's always a treat. I really appreciate it. It's always
Speaker 9: great to be able to just to hang out with
Speaker 9: you both do it more often. You can find my
Speaker 9: work It's in Range TV. You can find my website
Speaker 9: at range dot tv. I'm distributed decentralize a multiple platforms,
Speaker 9: a predominant one being YouTube. Cover everything from civil rights history,
Speaker 9: human rights to firearms to from old West flintlocks up
Speaker 9: to the most modern machine guns across the channel. Some
Speaker 9: of it is instructional, some of its history. And I've
Speaker 9: got a cool video dropping tomorrow, in fact, well tomorrow
Speaker 9: based on when we're recording this on the Opium Wars
Speaker 9: and how Britain and China's firearms technology discrepancy caused Hong
Speaker 9: Kong to be owned by Britain. That's the kind of
Speaker 9: stuff I do on my channel, So check that out.
Speaker 9: And if you want to find matches that are going
Speaker 9: to be a place that is truly an inclusive space,
Speaker 9: we do run matches called Brutality Matches.
Speaker 2: You can find them at brutalitymatches dot org.
Speaker 9: They're not monthly, we have run a couple of them
Speaker 9: across the country, but I can guarantee you that's the
Speaker 9: space you will feel comfortable because we make.
Speaker 1: It that way. Awesome.
Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks Cole.
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