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Speaker 1: Also media. Hey everybody, Robert Evans here, and I wanted

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Speaker 1: to let you know this is a compilation episode. So

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Speaker 1: every episode of the week that just happened is here

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Speaker 1: in one convenient and with somewhat less ads package for

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Speaker 1: you to listen to in a long stretch if you want.

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Speaker 1: If you've been listening to the episodes every day this week,

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Speaker 1: there's going to be nothing new here for you, but

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Speaker 1: you can make your own decisions.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to it could happen here.

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Speaker 3: Oh god, we have survived another week, and I'm joined

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Speaker 3: today by Sophie and James to discuss Trump's cabinet picks

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Speaker 3: and the upcoming potential members of the Trump administration two

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Speaker 3: point zero. I'm sure some of you have been following

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Speaker 3: the news and there is some wacky picks in there.

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Speaker 3: There keeps being even more wacky ones like RFK, which

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Speaker 3: RFK will get his own future episode. But it's pretty

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Speaker 3: it's pretty safe to assume that RFK in control of

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Speaker 3: Health and Human Services is pretty bad.

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Speaker 4: You don't say, you don't say yeah.

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Speaker 3: People are saying it not great to have the world's

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Speaker 3: weirdest conspiracy theorist of the Kennedy family in charge of

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Speaker 3: be bad, bad enough that it's that it's its own

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Speaker 3: episode for the rest of the nominations, mostly like last week, right,

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Speaker 3: this is going to be covering all the nominations in

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Speaker 3: the week of the eleventh to the fifteenth of November.

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Speaker 3: We're going to kind of go through nomination by nomination

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Speaker 3: and do a brief overview of each of these guys

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Speaker 3: them just kind of point to like more general like

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Speaker 3: some more ordinary picks honestly, like you know, like Mark Rubio,

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Speaker 3: a Secretary of State. This is this is kind of

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Speaker 3: a restrained pick for him. Now Rubio is still kind

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Speaker 3: of converted into being a Trump loyalist like every single

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Speaker 3: other person we're going to be talking about, and it

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Speaker 3: is interesting that kind of among all of the Trump appointees,

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Speaker 3: he has been the most open about his criticisms of Trump,

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Speaker 3: especially during Trump's first term. The leaked five hundred and

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Speaker 3: fifty one page a VP vetting document produced by the

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Speaker 3: Trump campaign outlines Rubio's anti Putin comments, support for the

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Speaker 3: Miller investigation, his acceptance of the twenty twenty election results,

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Speaker 3: passed comments that Trump is too dangerous to be trusted

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Speaker 3: with nuclear codes, and his history of supporting NATO, support

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Speaker 3: and calling the country quote the most advanced adversary America

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Speaker 3: all China hawks. That there's kind of one continuous through

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Speaker 3: line throughout all these nominations. I guess, James, do you

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Speaker 3: have any thoughts on mark Rubio for Secretary of State?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Marco Rubio, I don't have a lot of thoughts

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Speaker 5: the YPG and the YPG and SDF in Syria, which

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Speaker 5: that's a good thing. I guess, Like I think as

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Speaker 2: At this rate.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And uh, it's well, he spends all

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Speaker 5: his time watching Fox News, right, Like that's what we've

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Speaker 4: So is the review in Mark Rubio could be worse?

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Speaker 4: Wild pick, wild pick.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, what he does an a cog tattooed on his bicep.

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Speaker 6: Stop sending us that photo over him without a shirt

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Speaker 6: on perps seen it.

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Speaker 6: I don't want to see a nipple I thought I

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Speaker 6: Yank you so much.

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Speaker 3: I feel like everyone's pretty well aware now that he

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Speaker 3: has some very questionable Christian nationalist tattoos. Honey, not not

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Speaker 5: The more washed ways out. He got them in his

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Speaker 3: That also makes sense. That feels like a very midlife crisis.

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Speaker 3: Oh no, I'm a Fox and Friends weekend host now

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, better up my molon Larbie game.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot to be said about Pete Hank Seth.

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Speaker 3: He's a Princeton and Harvard graduate who has also claimed

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Speaker 4: What a fucking idiot, but absolute moron god.

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Speaker 3: He's advocated against divorce for families with kids until he

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Speaker 3: his coworker many searchcases. In general, he's just very chud

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Speaker 3: codd right. He has like he has like a grunt

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Speaker 2: I'm straight up.

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Speaker 7: Just saying we should not have women in combat roles

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Speaker 7: hasn't made us more effective, hasn't made us more lethal

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Speaker 7: has made fighting more complicated. We've all served with women

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Speaker 5: Yes, and well take so much should be happening in

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Speaker 2: He sure does.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to read a quote from his book The

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Speaker 3: War on Warriors, Big Si Whotox say, the Republican Party

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Speaker 3: if we don't crusade a holy war, a righteous, holy

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Speaker 3: In general, a lot of his rhetoric kind of is

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Speaker 5: It was incredible. It was indirect fire. He arcd it

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Speaker 6: I just feel like, if he's gonna like somebody tell

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Speaker 5: He must have used binoculars at some point in his service,

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Speaker 6: I mean, like, if you're gonna be Secretary of Defense,

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Speaker 4: Sir, wash your hands.

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Speaker 3: Arguably, the most worrying part about Pete as Secretary of

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So, especially with this Secretary of Defense role, that's not great.

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Speaker 3: Secretary of Homeland Security. Ugh, this is another odd pick.

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Speaker 3: Christine Nome, the non border state governor of South Dakota,

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Speaker 4: Oh yes, oh yes she does.

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Speaker 3: And what would that be here, which is shooting and

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Speaker 3: So that is one thing she might bond with our

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Speaker 6: Which we all know about because she wrote about it

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Speaker 4: Girl.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, incriminating herself another cop trait, So true, so true.

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Speaker 5: She did deploy the South Dakota National Guard to the border,

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Speaker 4: It's such an odd pick.

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Speaker 3: All of these picks where I'm talking about, some of

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Speaker 3: but also people that are not like institutionalists.

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Speaker 8: Right.

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Speaker 3: These aren't like people who like worked their way up

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Speaker 8: Right.

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Speaker 3: Trump's first campaign was kind of defined by a whole

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Speaker 3: wrote books about how bad Trump is. Eventually Trump faced

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Speaker 3: So he's picking people that just have proven their own loyalty,

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Speaker 3: Like it's certainly possible. I mean the Syrian warcrime denial

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Speaker 2: Hey, I mean it was twenty nineteen, right, you.

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Speaker 2: We still have a chance of being put on their

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Speaker 5: You know what, Garrison, if we are accused of crimes,

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Speaker 2: General, Matt Gates.

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Speaker 3: Oh boy, So Matt Gates is one of these congress

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Speaker 5: You, I did not know that.

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Speaker 4: I did not know that, But that is what.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes so much sense though.

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Speaker 3: Look at all of his gambits and bits in Congress,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he is not necessarily a popular pick among kind

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Speaker 3: after this announcement, Gates suddenly resigned from the House, and

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Speaker 10: I think, out of deference to us, he issued his

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Speaker 10: People have asked me all day long, President Trump is

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Speaker 2: Yes, we have an embarrassment of riches here.

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Speaker 10: The Republican Conference is full of talented people who are

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Speaker 4: It's so bizarre a little bit.

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Speaker 3: But there's one little curious fact about Gates a quick resignation,

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Speaker 3: The committee also obtained a sworn written statement by Gates's

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Speaker 2: At any age.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and Gates responded by saying this should be

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Speaker 5: Wasn't it sexy at anyth It is sexy? It Oh

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Speaker 2: Oh that's so bad.

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Speaker 4: He's a fucking creep.

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Speaker 2: He's really icky.

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Speaker 3: There's arguments that like maybe he won't get past like confirmation, right, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: At this point, at least five congressmen have been tapped

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Speaker 5: I know this will be fine.

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Speaker 3: The White House Chief of Staff is Susie Wills, who's

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: Deputy chief of Staff is Steven Miller, the great replacement.

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Speaker 3: family separation policy, the Muslim ban, and the end of DACA.

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Speaker 3: Miller has advocated for denaturalization of American citizens and has

445
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Speaker 3: called for the use of National Guard troops from Republican

446
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Speaker 3: governed states to be deployed in blue states to carry

447
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Speaker 3: out in tournament of migrants in military camps and deportations

448
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Speaker 3: in states that are uncooperative with Trump's mass deportation plans.

449
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Speaker 3: James Jefny things to add here on Stephen Miller. This

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Speaker 3: is kind of your department.

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Speaker 5: Miller is scary because he's actually very effective, Like so

452
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Speaker 5: often these right wing kind of plot hinge on these

453
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Speaker 5: bizarre legal theories, right, which I would say far from

454
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Speaker 5: accepted by mainstream god of jurispudents. Yeah, Miller did very

455
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Speaker 5: well at finding antiquated laws that could stick the landing

456
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Speaker 5: in the court to do the evil shit he wanted

457
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Speaker 5: to do.

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Speaker 3: Like the Alien Enemies Act of seventeen ninety something.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean he did that with Title forty two,

460
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Speaker 5: which is a law that's designed to stop people with

461
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Speaker 5: tuberculosis just walking across the border. Right, And he's successfully

462
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Speaker 5: and he planned this before the pandemic. He's successfully used

463
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Speaker 5: that to effectively allow border patrol to immediately deport people

464
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Speaker 5: without giving them their right to claim asylum. And that

465
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Speaker 5: was a policy that Trump did and that Biden continued

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Speaker 5: till twenty twenty three. Right, Like, Miller is good if

467
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Speaker 5: we look at the last term at finding ways to Yeah,

468
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Speaker 5: he's effective. He's scarily effective to me.

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Speaker 2: He's always been the scariest guy in Trump's orbit.

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Speaker 5: Yes, but yeah, because he's competent and like by far,

471
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Speaker 5: and he stays out of the limelight for the large

472
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Speaker 5: part and that allows him to not have to defend

473
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Speaker 5: his evil shit and just get on with doing it.

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Speaker 3: When I watched that six part documentary, but the behind

475
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Speaker 3: the scenes of Trump's campaign, Seila Miller was in almost

476
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Speaker 3: every scene. Yes, he was always like in the background,

477
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Speaker 3: always in the background, just just saying things to Trump.

478
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Speaker 3: Like he's he is a constant presence there. Yeah, it's

479
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Speaker 3: quite frightening. Now moving on, the guy nominated for National

480
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Speaker 3: Security Advisor is named Mike Walls. He's a neo Khon.

481
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Speaker 3: He's an anti assadist, pro Ukraine. He's advocated to take

482
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Speaker 3: the cuffs off Ukraine to allow them to make strikes

483
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Speaker 3: further into Russia. He was also the former counter terrorism

484
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Speaker 3: advisor to Dick Cheney when when he was VP.

485
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Speaker 4: He's super pro Israel too.

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Speaker 2: Oh, everyone I list here is pro Israel. Yeah, that's

487
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Speaker 2: pretty much.

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Speaker 3: This is one of the most like openly pro war guys, right,

489
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Speaker 3: someone like this guy who's historically kind of like the

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Speaker 3: anti Tulsi Gabbard. Yeah, yeah, takes the opposite stance on

491
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Speaker 3: almost every single issue. He's he he's a neo Khon,

492
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Speaker 3: He's anti Asad, he's anti Putin.

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Speaker 5: He's a member of the Kurdish Caucus in Congress. Actually

494
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Speaker 5: interesting interesting, Yeah, I mean yeah, I hope he bounces

495
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Speaker 5: out some of some of those crazy more like a

496
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Speaker 5: sadist sort of or just Trump's natural tendency to see

497
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Speaker 5: a strong man in to one and being like, yeah,

498
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Speaker 5: you go for it money.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: He was the first Green Beret to serve in Congress

501
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Speaker 2: and has advocated the use of military intel to combat

502
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Speaker 2: drug cartels and co sponsored legislation to authorize the use

503
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Speaker 2: of military force against cartels. In Mexico. Great guy.

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Speaker 3: Another kind of more standard establishment pick, still not good,

505
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Speaker 3: but a little bit more standard is CIA director John Ratcliffe.

506
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 3: Briefly served as Director of Natural Intelligence near the end

507
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Speaker 3: of Trump's first term and helped to defend Trump during

508
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Speaker 3: impeachment hearings. He is more of like a standard pick,

509
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Speaker 3: but like everyone else on this list, he has demonstrated

510
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Speaker 3: fierce loyalty to Trump. EPA advisor Lee Zelden, a former

511
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Speaker 3: New York congressman, no environmental or conservation experience, just an

512
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Speaker 3: ordinary anti regulation conservative. After his announcement, Zelman wrote, quote,

513
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Speaker 3: we will restore US energy dominance, revitalize our auto industry,

514
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Speaker 3: to bring back American jobs, and make the US the

515
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Speaker 3: global leader of AI unquote, which does not point to

516
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Speaker 3: much environmental protection. I'm going to quote from the New Republic.

517
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Speaker 3: Zelden voted to cut EPA funding, scrap its chemical risk

518
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Speaker 3: assessment program, and block the agency from taking action to

519
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Speaker 3: restrict carbon pollution. He missed the twenty seventeen vote on

520
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 3: whether to defund the EPA's criminal law enforcement program, but

521
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Speaker 3: voted to prohibit funds from being used for this purpose

522
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Speaker 3: the prior year unquote. After going to the R and C.

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Speaker 6: His emails were the worst email thread that I got

524
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Speaker 6: added to his emails are so unhinged.

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Speaker 2: Truly the worst thing you have ever done.

526
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Speaker 6: Yeah, Zelden worst emails, so which actually makes sense that

527
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Speaker 6: he wants to be a global leader of AI. Yes,

528
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Speaker 6: that's probably what all his emails were.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's pretty safe to assume that basically any

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Speaker 3: progress that we have made on climate very minuscule, will

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Speaker 3: be immediately undone and we will just make a negative

532
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Speaker 3: progress in the next four years with someone like Lee

533
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Speaker 3: Zelden in charge of the EPA, which already has very

534
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Speaker 3: little regulatory power, but it's about to have a lot less.

535
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Speaker 3: Let's discuss borders are Tom Homan, former ICE director. He

536
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 3: oversaw the family separation policy in twenty seventeen and has

537
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 3: since said that American born citizens should be deported with

538
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 3: their family to avoid separating families. He's advocated treating cartels

539
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 3: like foreign terrorist organizations that Trump will used the full

540
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 3: bite of the US Special operations to take out. He

541
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Speaker 3: also wrote the border section of Project twenty twenty five, James,

542
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Speaker 3: do you have anything to say on our new borders?

543
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Speaker 2: Are?

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Speaker 5: It's kind of troubling because again, You've got someone here

545
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 5: who is competent, right, who has worked at high levels

546
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 5: in government. He's an Obama appointee.

547
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Speaker 2: Right, he's worked at ice like forever.

548
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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, Like when Obama was setting records

549
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 5: for deportations, Homan was doing it, which I think tells

550
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,439
Speaker 5: you everything about you know, the shit that we forget

551
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 5: about Obama. But yeah, like again troubling because Homan is

552
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 5: a real hawk on this stuff and has previously been Like,

553
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Speaker 5: he was effective at doing family separation, right, and it

554
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 5: wasn't particularly organized, as we've seen, it's difficult for people

555
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 5: to find and reunite the families. They've been doing it

556
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 5: ever since Trump left office. But he was effective at

557
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 5: getting that shit done. And that worries me in terms

558
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 5: of deportations because I will need to scale up massively,

559
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Speaker 5: as we spoke about, and like that will require someone

560
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 5: with leadership experience, and he has that. Like then that

561
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 5: is concerning.

562
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Speaker 3: Let's talk about some more diplomatic roles For ambassador to

563
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 3: the UN. Trump has named Elise Stephanic, who has no

564
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:35,679
Speaker 3: diplomatic experience but has been extremely vocally pro Israel. She

565
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 3: harshly interrogated university presidents amid campus protests against the genocide

566
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Speaker 3: and Gaza, and is consistently advocated against US participation in

567
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Speaker 3: the UN and now is going to be the UN

568
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 3: ambassador to quote from the New Republic quote. In a

569
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Speaker 3: statement last week, Stefanic harolded Israel's decision to ban the

570
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Speaker 3: United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in

571
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Speaker 3: the Near East or UNRA, from operating in Israel, the

572
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Speaker 3: West Bank and Gaza, claiming that the seventy four year

573
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Speaker 3: old aid program quote instills anti Semitic hate in Palestinians

574
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Speaker 3: and houses weapons for terrorists unquote. She's also called on

575
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Speaker 3: the United States to defund the refugee program, criticizing the

576
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Speaker 3: Biden administration for issuing one billion dollars to UNRA since

577
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 2: Unquote.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, this is like a typical talking point of like

580
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 5: right zionists, right that the United Nations is somehow an

581
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 5: arm of Hamas and the UNRAH, the United Nations Refugee

582
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 5: Welfare Agency is actively funneling weapons to Hamas, and like

583
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Speaker 5: it's just not true. It's it's an excuse for targeting

584
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Speaker 5: AID workers in Gaza.

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Speaker 3: The UN already has such little control over any degree

586
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,959
Speaker 3: of like enforcement for like humanitarian aid, and having this

587
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 3: person be the US ambassador to UN will make what

588
00:29:55,520 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 3: little power they have even like diminished. Yes, just last October,

589
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 3: she called for a quote a complete reassessment of US

590
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 3: funding of the United Nations unquote, after calls from the

591
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Speaker 3: Palestinian authority to expel Israel from the UN for war

592
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 3: crimes and human rights abuses. Now the ambassador to Israel

593
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Speaker 3: is set to be Mike Huckabee, the former governor of

594
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 3: Arkansas and evangelical Christian Zionist. Similarly, he has no diplomatic experience.

595
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Speaker 3: I'm going to quote from the Atlantic quote. He has

596
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 3: led religious pilgrimages to Israel and visited the country dozens

597
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Speaker 3: of times over the course of several decades. He also

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Speaker 3: opposes a two state solution to the Israel Palestine conflict

599
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,239
Speaker 3: and says that quote there's really no such thing as

600
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Speaker 3: a Palestinian unquote. He is really bad. Mike Hkakabee is

601
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Speaker 3: really bad. Yeah, that's pretty bad. He has also advocated

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Speaker 3: for Israel to permanently annex and take control of the

603
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Speaker 3: West Bank, and he like legitimately believes in a religious

604
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Speaker 3: political ideology to return all Jewish people to the Holy

605
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Speaker 3: Land of Israel to trigger the biblical apocalypse resulting in

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Speaker 3: the death of all Jews.

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Speaker 11: My feelings personally, and I'm speaking only as a person,

608
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Speaker 11: I think Israel would only be acting on the property

609
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Speaker 11: it already owns. I think Israel has titled the Judea

610
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Speaker 11: and Samaria. There are certain words I refuse to use.

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Speaker 11: There is no such thing as a West Bank. It's

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Speaker 11: Judy and Samaria. There's no such thing as a settlement,

613
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Speaker 11: their communities, their neighborhoods, their cities. There's no such thing

614
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Speaker 11: as an occupation.

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Speaker 3: This is why he believes this. This isn't like out

616
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 3: of care in his heart for Jewish people. It's that

617
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 3: he wants to trigger the apocalypse, and to do this

618
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 3: he needs to both like eliminate all Palestinians, give total

619
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Speaker 3: control of the land to Israel, make all Jewish people

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Speaker 3: live there so that Jesus can come again and do

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Speaker 3: the wars and blah blah.

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Speaker 2: Blah blah blah, all that kind of stuff. It's nasty. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The last diplomatic pick here is Middle East Envoy Steve Whitkoff,

624
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 3: who's a Trump campaign fundraiser and a real estate developer.

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Speaker 3: He has no diplomatic or foreign policy experience pro Israel.

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Speaker 3: He'll basically just be assisting in all of the bad

627
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Speaker 3: things that everyone else have already named is going to

628
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 3: be doing.

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Speaker 6: Wait, sorry, my brain just broke. So so the Middle

630
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Speaker 6: East Envoy is just like a real estate investor guy. Yep, yep,

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Speaker 6: that seems I mean, I mean, yeah, it is it

632
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 6: much better than Jared is going to do peace in

633
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 6: the Middle East like last time.

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Speaker 3: Yes, you can look at this similarly to like Jared

635
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Speaker 3: Kushner's proposals to like develop what once was Gaza and

636
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 3: just like viewing wars in the Middle East as a

637
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Speaker 3: real estate development opportunity. You can see a guy like

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Speaker 3: this kind of in line with that side of like

639
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Speaker 3: the Trump campaign.

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Speaker 6: Jared's got to handle it, and we're going to handle

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Speaker 6: these ad breaks.

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Speaker 2: All right, we are back.

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Speaker 3: It's time to discuss the elephant in the room.

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Speaker 5: God genuinely, but my mind.

645
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Speaker 4: Are we Dojing?

646
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Speaker 2: We are going full Doge.

647
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 3: So I'm just going to read part of the statement

648
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Speaker 3: from Donald Trump announcing this new government agency DOGE. More

649
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Speaker 3: on that later quote. I am pleased to announce that

650
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Speaker 3: the Great Elon Musk working into conjunction with American patriot

651
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 3: the VEC Ramaswami will lead the Department of Government Efficiency DOGE.

652
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Speaker 3: Together these two wonderful Americans will pave the way for

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Speaker 3: my administration to dismantle government bureaucracy, slash excess regulation, cut

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Speaker 3: wasteful expenditures, and restructure federal agencies. It will become potentially

655
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Speaker 3: the Manhattan Project of our time. Republican politicians have dreamed

656
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 3: about the objectives of DOGE for a long time. To

657
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Speaker 3: drive this kind of drastic change, the Department of Government

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Speaker 3: Efficiency will provide advice and guidance from outside of government

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Speaker 3: and will partner with the White House and Office of

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Speaker 3: Management and Budget to drive large scale structural reform and

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00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 3: create an entrepreneurial approach to government never seen before. Their

662
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Speaker 3: work will conclude no later than July fourth, twenty twenty six.

663
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 3: A smaller government with more efficiency and let's bureaucracy will

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Speaker 3: be the perfect gift to America on the two hundred

665
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Speaker 3: and fiftieth anniversary of the Declaration of Independence. Unquote Jesus

666
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Speaker 3: christ Man, So this is the new quote unquote government

667
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 3: agency which is not real, right, this is not a

668
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 3: real government agency. Trump just can't create one out of

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00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 3: thin air. And in this statement it does clarify that

670
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Speaker 3: they will be providing advice and guidance from outside of government.

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Speaker 5: That's pretty funny. This is a children's table. They have

672
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 5: the plastic cutlery.

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Speaker 2: It's the children's table.

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Speaker 3: Yes, he's He's sending Musk and the VEC off to

675
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 3: the side to have their little fun. They'll make like

676
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 3: a blog post that talks about who to cut, you

677
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 3: know what programs to cut. Vivec specifically talked about like

678
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 3: ending healthcare for veterans, which I'm sure will go over

679
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 3: very well, and they'll submit that to Trump and then

680
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 3: the people in charge of the Office of Management and

681
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 3: Budget will probably throw it in the trash, but.

682
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Speaker 2: We will see.

683
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Speaker 3: I mean, I don't want to understate Musk's general influence

684
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 3: in like Trump's operations, because Musk right now does have

685
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 3: a great deal of influence. I think this doge thing

686
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,280
Speaker 3: isn't something to be too worried about.

687
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 2: Though.

688
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,399
Speaker 3: Now, as a as a fun side note to kind

689
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 3: of demonstrate the nonsensical nature of this, I'm going to

690
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,720
Speaker 3: talk about something that Vivec has proposed. He has said

691
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,399
Speaker 3: that a way to cut down a government bureaucracy would

692
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 3: be to make a list of all of the non

693
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Speaker 3: elected government employees and fire the ones that have a

694
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Speaker 3: Social Security number that starts or ends.

695
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Speaker 2: With an odd number.

696
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Speaker 3: This way, you can automatically cut seventy five percent of

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Speaker 3: the workforce without having to worry about racial, gender, or

698
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:55,399
Speaker 3: political discrimination. The Vech says, quote, not a thing will

699
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 3: have changed for the ordinary American unquote.

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Speaker 5: I think that's gonna work that way.

701
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Speaker 3: This is this is reposing cutting like two million people.

702
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 3: Talking to front of the pod Lex Friedman. He framed

703
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 3: this as a thought experiment, not necessarily a policy proposal,

704
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,800
Speaker 3: and said that a more complicated form of this idea

705
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 3: could select to save people with quote the greatest commitment

706
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 3: and knowledge of the constitution unquote. This is goofy, Like

707
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 3: this is fake, Like this isn't this isn't real. He's

708
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 3: not going to cut seventy five percent of the workforce.

709
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 3: You should be more concerned about Schedule F, a policy

710
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,760
Speaker 3: that Trump will reinstate that gives him power to remove

711
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 3: government employees at will to select for people that align

712
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 3: with him more ideologically. Like, that's the real thing to

713
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 3: be concerned about in terms of like government staffing. I'm

714
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 3: not much concerned about Vivek here, though. The Washington Post

715
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 3: did report that some Trump advisors have asked Congress for

716
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 3: thirty five to fifty million dollars to fund the DOGE Commission.

717
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 3: The alternative is to raise money from the private sector,

718
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 3: which seems more likely. It's also just very funny to

719
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 3: have like an afficiency department ran by two people, especially

720
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 3: if you're gonna ask to spend fifty to fifty million dollars,

721
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 3: because yeah, I'm sure the best way to improve government

722
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 3: efficiency is to give two billionaires fifty million dollars.

723
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Speaker 5: It's to have two people running it, running an apartment.

724
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 5: That's great, Like that's what we need. Too many.

725
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's also like a fake department that'll just produce

726
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 3: like a writeup that talks about cutting Social.

727
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 5: Security, right, and then everyone will throw it in the bin.

728
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 2: That's all it's going to be.

729
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 3: Musk has also gone to Twitter to try to get

730
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,800
Speaker 3: people to send in job applications to work for free,

731
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 3: to like sort to sort through these like these people

732
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 3: that should be cut from federal government. He just wants

733
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 3: people to do work for free. So now you have

734
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 3: people setting in job applications to Twitter. I'm sure that'll

735
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 3: end great for those people. Part of this just feels

736
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,919
Speaker 3: kind of like a scheme to like coerce Trump into

737
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 3: allowing the formation of a fake government agency to pump

738
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 3: the value of doge coin. Like, yes, dogecoin did like

739
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 3: boost some value after this announcement, and like this is

740
00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 3: very suspicious and like should be maybe illegal because this

741
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 3: could just be like a cryptocurrency scheme, which is very

742
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 3: very likely now despite the kind of goofy nature of

743
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 3: doge and like the idea that this is basically just

744
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 3: Musk of a beck sitting at the kids table to

745
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 3: keep them happy while the adults take care of real business.

746
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 3: I don't want to rush over the influence that Musk

747
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 3: currently has on the Trump admin. Basically since election night,

748
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 3: Musk has essentially been living with Trump at mar A.

749
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Speaker 2: Lagos, just like the first buddy. Yes he is.

750
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 3: He started to call himself first buddy, which makes me

751
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 3: deeply uncomfortable.

752
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 5: The richest man honest, yeah, first friend with benefits absolutely pathetic.

753
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 3: Musk is reported to be giving input on staffing decisions

754
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 3: and joining phone calls with foreign leaders on the play

755
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 3: a clip from scenen here.

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Speaker 12: Multiple sources tell me tonight that Musk has been seen

757
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 12: at mar A Lago nearly every single day since Donald

758
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 12: Trump won, dining with him on the patio. At times.

759
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 12: Today they were seen on the golf course together. Musk

760
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 12: has been in the room when world leaders have called Trump,

761
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 12: and tonight we've learned he's also weighing in on staffing decisions,

762
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 12: making clear his preference for certain roles. Even publicly. Tonight,

763
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 12: Elon Musk is backing Florida Senator Rick Scott as the

764
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 12: next leader of the Republican Conference to replace Mitch McConnell.

765
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Speaker 12: While Musk himself is still not expected to take any

766
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 12: kind of formal position inside Trump's administration, given how complicated

767
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 12: it would be with his companies, what's becoming clearer tonight

768
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 12: is that he doesn't really need to, With one source

769
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 12: telling me Elon Musk is having just as much influence

770
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Speaker 12: from the.

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Speaker 3: Outside, NBC's reported that a source close to the transition

772
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 3: team has told them that Musk is quote behaving as

773
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:39,240
Speaker 3: if he is co president and making sure that everyone

774
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 3: knows it, and he's sure taking lots of credit for

775
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 3: the president's victory, breaking about America pack and X to

776
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 3: anyone who will listen. He's trying to make President Trump

777
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 3: feel indebted to him, and the President is indebted to

778
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 3: no one unquote, which is a very very fun statement

779
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 3: from a Trump guy.

780
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 5: It's also not true. Doesn't Trump oh loads of people money?

781
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 5: Like empirically we know this.

782
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 3: Yes, and currently through lawsuits, Trump does out people a

783
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 3: lot of money. But yeah, not that that will matter

784
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 3: at all anymore. In a meeting with House Republicans last Wednesday,

785
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 3: Trump reportedly joked, quote, Elon won't go home. I can't

786
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 3: get rid of him, at least until I don't like him, unquote,

787
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 3: which kind of underscores the running bet pool that we

788
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 3: have here at Colzone Media on when the Trump Musk

789
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 3: falling out will happen, and we will we will keep

790
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,280
Speaker 3: up on this story very closely, because I really can't

791
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 3: imagine that that Musk will stay here for too long.

792
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 3: I'm sure he'll stay in some proximity, especially with all

793
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 3: like the government contracts that SpaceX has, but Trump being

794
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 3: like this close to Musk surely will result in some

795
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 3: kind of fallout. And maybe maybe that's opium. Maybe maybe

796
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 3: that's me just fully hopped up on hopium, But I

797
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 3: really see able asm working to our advantage here with

798
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,399
Speaker 3: Trump eventually just getting sick of this guy. And I

799
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 3: think part of what Elon's doing here as well, and

800
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 3: other people have postilated this, including Robert is like Elon

801
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 3: can't run for president legally, right and out again, laws

802
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 3: might just completely go out the window here. But because

803
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 3: Elon's on a natural born citizen like Elon can't run

804
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 3: for president, and Elon does want power, So basically Elon's

805
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 3: trying to become as close as he can do President

806
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 3: Trump to be like like this source said co president right.

807
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,919
Speaker 3: That's kind of his end goal here is he wants

808
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 3: to be the president and he can't, so this is

809
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 3: as close as he can get. That is most of

810
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 3: the main picks so far. Lastly, I'll mention like three

811
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,399
Speaker 3: people who worked on the Trump campaign who will now

812
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 3: be serving as advisors, including danz Cavino, James Blair, and

813
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 3: Taylor Buttowitch. All these guys appeared pretty frequently in the

814
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 3: behind the scenes documentary about Trump's twenty twenty four campaign,

815
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 3: and all three of these guys primarily focused on like

816
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 3: weaponizing anti immigrant claims to get Trump elected. That was

817
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 3: kind of their main focus, especially James Blair. But lastly, lastly,

818
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 3: I do have one more person to mention, the co

819
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 3: chair of Trump's transition team, the former CEO of WWE McMahon.

820
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 3: She is working as the co chair for the transition team.

821
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 3: She is the wife of A Vince McMahon now. She

822
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 3: also served in Trump's first term as head of the

823
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 3: Small Business Administration from twenty seventeen to twenty nineteen after

824
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 3: two failed Senate runs in Connecticut. Now, besides co leading

825
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 3: the President's transition team, McMahon's also the front runner to

826
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 3: lead the Department of Commerce. Now to kind of tie

827
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,800
Speaker 3: this back to Matt Gates, she along with her husband,

828
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 3: are also currently being sued for sex trafficking underage boys

829
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 3: in the WWE. The suit alleges that WWE leadership knowingly

830
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 3: allowed an announcer named mel Phillips to groom and molest

831
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Speaker 3: the five plaintiffs who were hired as ring boys from

832
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 3: the ages of.

833
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 2: Twelve to thirteen.

834
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 3: Ring boys basically like people who like help out on

835
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 3: the side for you know, I see, they're kind of

836
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 3: like performative roles. Yeah, so that's pretty fucked up. And

837
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 3: the fact that this whole qute on movement has now

838
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 3: resulted in two people being charged for sex trafficking or

839
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 3: at least investigator for sex trafficking. Being this close to

840
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 3: the Trump orbit, I'm sure, I'm sure we can just

841
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 3: trust the plan and things and things will all things

842
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 3: will all turn out fine. But yeah, that's a little

843
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 3: it's a little Linda McMahon a fun fact there. So

844
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 3: that is all I have to say at this point

845
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 3: about the Trump cabinet picks. There's gonna be more. I know,

846
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 3: RFK is gonna be its own nightmare that we will

847
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 3: get to. Yeah, I guess any closing thoughts, uh, Sophie

848
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 3: or James on this this who's who of the worst

849
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 3: people in the country, who's gone.

850
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Speaker 6: I've come next? And that's basically it, and and not

851
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,800
Speaker 6: even that after this first round and then like obviously

852
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:49,720
Speaker 6: he's gonna fucking fire some people.

853
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 4: Who's he gonna report, who's he gonna replace them with?

854
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 5: It will be it like Instagrammers by the end of

855
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 5: four years.

856
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 3: I'm sure he's really just going through all the people

857
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 3: who have like pledged complete loyalty to him, including people

858
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,720
Speaker 3: who've like previously been critical but have like turned around

859
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 3: and gotten fully on the Trump train and Like, the

860
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,439
Speaker 3: thing that links up all of these names is that

861
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 3: Trump believes that they're not going to turn on him,

862
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 3: because that was the thing that really threw a wrench

863
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 3: in his first administration. And the reason why he's appointing

864
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 3: all these people who are just chronically unqualified, it's because

865
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 3: they need Trump, right, Like, if Matt Gates doesn't become

866
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 3: ag then he's also like out of a job now

867
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 3: because he resigned from Congress, and he'll also probably face

868
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 3: more punishment for his alleged sex trafficking. But if he's

869
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 3: in charge of the entire Justice Department, he's not going

870
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 3: to get anything right. Like, a huge part of Trump

871
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 3: like trying to become president again is to get out

872
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 3: of all of the criminal complaints and indictments that he's

873
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,879
Speaker 3: been facing the past year. And now none of those matter.

874
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 3: I'll point you to a Legal Eagle video for like

875
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 3: why none of the convictions will matter, none of the

876
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 3: ongoing cases will matter, All of those trials are now

877
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 3: completely meaningless. He has gotten away with everything. Looking over

878
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Speaker 3: this whole list, you see a lot of neo cons

879
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Speaker 3: in foreign policy positions and like mega celebrity loyalists in

880
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Speaker 3: domestic positions. Which makes a lot of sense for Trump

881
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 3: trying to both like maintain his own power as well

882
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 3: as showing off his kind of hidden neo contendencies. And

883
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Speaker 3: this entire cabinet points towards centralizing power with just him

884
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Speaker 3: and the White House. Right, these people are not qualified,

885
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Speaker 3: So now Trump basically will puppeteer every department and Trump's advisors,

886
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Speaker 3: including like Stephen Miller. So this is all about centralizing

887
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 3: power and demanding fierce loyalty. That's what all of these

888
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 3: appointments point towards.

889
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Speaker 5: This is good ending. What a happy show.

890
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a great ending.

891
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Speaker 3: You know, not all these will have happy endings, because

892
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Speaker 3: we're currently facing a pretty rough situation. But we will

893
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Speaker 3: have some episodes later on in this week that do

894
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 3: point more towards what you can do to protect yourself

895
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Speaker 3: in the coming days, including Molly's episode tomorrow, so stay

896
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Speaker 3: tuned for that. But this is just a quick, a

897
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Speaker 3: quick rundown on why I don't like every single person

898
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Speaker 3: appointed to these positions.

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Speaker 13: I'm Michael Phillips, an historian and the author of a

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Speaker 13: book about racism in Dallas called White Metropolis, an upcoming

901
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Speaker 13: book about the eugenics mom in Texas called the Purifying Knife.

902
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Speaker 14: I'm Stephen Monicelli, an investigative reporter who covers political extremism

903
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Speaker 14: in Texas and beyond.

904
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Speaker 13: In the Pitch Start. Just before midnight on August third,

905
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Speaker 13: twenty nineteen, Patrick Crusius took off on what would soon

906
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Speaker 13: be an infamous journey. The young man from the Dallas

907
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Speaker 13: suburb of Allen, Texas, had become obsessed with an idea

908
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Speaker 13: that would soon move him to murder.

909
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Speaker 14: That idea had been inspired in part by Renaud Camu,

910
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Speaker 14: a French racist and race aged by the growing Muslim

911
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Speaker 14: population in Europe. In twenty eleven, Camu had given a

912
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Speaker 14: new name to what was actually an old idea with

913
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Speaker 14: the publication of his book Legrand Replacement, which translates in

914
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 14: English to the Great Replacement.

915
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 13: Camu argued that global elites had conspired to replace the white,

916
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Speaker 13: culturally superior population of Europe with darker skinned people, who

917
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Speaker 13: were mostly Muslims from the Middle East and Africa. He

918
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Speaker 13: claimed these elites had opened the door to mass migration,

919
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Speaker 13: discouraged white reproduction, and encouraged the newcomers to intermarry with whites.

920
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 13: This racial displacement, Camu asserted, had brought crime and terrorism

921
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Speaker 13: to Europe and threatened the very survival of Western culture.

922
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Speaker 14: Camu's idea predated World War Two. The Great Replacement theory

923
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 14: hardly differed from key ideas promoted by eugenicists in Western

924
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Speaker 14: Europe and the United States in the late nineteenth century

925
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Speaker 14: and early twenty century. Eugenicists sought to ensure the survival

926
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Speaker 14: of those they believed to be biologically superior. Their methods

927
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Speaker 14: included forced sterilization and harsh immigration restrictions. Failure in this mission,

928
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 14: they believed, would lead to white extinction. But Camu's book

929
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Speaker 14: enraged and energized a new generation of far right extremists,

930
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Speaker 14: not just in his native France but all around the world.

931
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Speaker 13: Camu didn't specifically identify the elite spuzzedly responsible for what

932
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Speaker 13: he called a reverse colonization of the European homeland, but

933
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Speaker 13: leaders of the international far right quickly filled in the blanks.

934
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 13: The Great Replacement conspiracy theorists insisted had been engineered by

935
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Speaker 13: Jews who desired to destroy the Arians, who served as

936
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Speaker 13: their only competitors for global control. In the chaos that

937
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Speaker 13: would unfold as Europe racially darkened, Jewish people would spuzzly

938
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Speaker 13: complete their conquests of the world's politics and finances, and

939
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Speaker 13: would enslave and now intellectually backward global workforce.

940
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Speaker 14: Camu's racist fever dream ricocheted around the world and left

941
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Speaker 14: behind it a trail of blood. The dread of the

942
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Speaker 14: Great Replacement animated a coalition of neo Nazis and other

943
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 14: white supremacists who swarmed to Charlottesville, Virginia, on the night

944
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Speaker 14: of August eleventh, twenty seventeen, for a quote Unite the

945
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Speaker 14: Right rally protesting the proposed removal of a statue honoring

946
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Speaker 14: Confederate General Robert E.

947
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Speaker 2: Lee.

948
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Speaker 14: Carrying tiki torches, with many wearing matching polo shirts and khakis,

949
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 14: the extremists paraded on the grounds of the University of

950
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Speaker 14: Virginia campus, chanting white lives Matter and a phrase directly

951
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Speaker 14: inspired by Camu's now six year old polemic.

952
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Speaker 2: Why not Why not Jews? Who Jews?

953
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Speaker 13: The next day, one of the racist marchers murdered an

954
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Speaker 13: anti racism activist, Heather Hayer Whay. He ran this car

955
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Speaker 13: into a crowd of counter protesters. The following year, in

956
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Speaker 13: twenty eighteen, a forty six year old white nationalist who

957
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Speaker 13: feared a hypothetical Jewish and Muslim plot to take over America,

958
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Speaker 13: entered the Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh's Squirrel Hill neighborhood, and,

959
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Speaker 13: using a long rifle and three semi automatic pistols, sprayed

960
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Speaker 13: the congregation with bullets over a period of twenty minutes,

961
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Speaker 13: murdering eleven and wounding six. The synagogue had participated in

962
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Speaker 13: program to aid migrants fleeing violence and poverty in Central America,

963
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Speaker 13: charity work that prompted the murderer, Robert Bowers, to post

964
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Speaker 13: online that such organizations quote like to bring in invaders

965
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Speaker 13: that kill our people. I can't sit by and watch

966
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Speaker 13: my people get slaughtered.

967
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Speaker 14: The Great Replacement Theory and its online promoters claimed a

968
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Speaker 14: high body count in twenty nineteen. On March fifteenth, a

969
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Speaker 14: twenty eight year old Australian man, Brendan Terrant, live streamed

970
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Speaker 14: his slaughter a face fifty one Muslims and the wounding

971
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Speaker 14: of eighty nine others at two mosques in christ Church,

972
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Speaker 14: New Zealand. Tarrant authored a seventy four page manifesto which

973
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Speaker 14: he emailed to newspapers and television stations, as well as

974
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Speaker 14: new Zealand's Prime minister. He repeatedly referred to the Great

975
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 14: Replacement theory and expressed admiration for Anders Brevick, a Norwegian

976
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Speaker 14: neo Nazi terrorist who had killed seventy seven people in

977
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Speaker 14: twenty eleven because of his hatred for Muslims who have

978
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Speaker 14: settled across the European continent. In his manifesto, Tarrant praised

979
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 14: American President Donald Trump as a quote symbol of renewed

980
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 14: white identity and common purpose.

981
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 13: The murders inspired by the Great Replacement theory were far

982
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Speaker 13: from over. A mass shooting claimed three lives and wounded

983
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Speaker 13: three others at a synagogue in Powway, California, in April twenty,

984
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 13: twenty nineteen, and three others died in seventeen more suffered

985
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 13: injuries during an attack at the Gilroy Garlick festival in

986
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 13: the same state on July twenty eighth. This was the

987
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Speaker 13: heartbreaking worldwide context in which Patrick Crusius of Allen, Texas

988
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Speaker 13: took a fatal journey just six days after the Illroy massacre.

989
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 14: Crusius marked his twenty first birthday just the weekend before

990
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Speaker 14: the massacre, but for the unemployed young man, it was

991
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Speaker 14: not a happy occasion. He had grown up watching his

992
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 14: father's struggle with chemical dependency. High school classmates described him

993
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 14: as withdrawn, and one claimed he had been bullied by

994
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Speaker 14: Spanish speaking students. His parents divorced, and he moved to

995
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Speaker 14: his grandparents' home in a suburb north of Dallas called Allan,

996
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Speaker 14: a town with a median family income of more than

997
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Speaker 14: one hundred and twenty one thousand dollars and a history

998
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Speaker 14: of white flight. Unemployed, Crusius spent a lot of hours

999
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Speaker 14: on eight Chan, an online message board favored by white supremacists.

1000
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Speaker 13: Crusius had given himself a grim mission he believed no

1001
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Speaker 13: one else had the guts to carry out, According to

1002
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Speaker 13: the Dallas Morning News. Late that Friday evening, he loaded

1003
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Speaker 13: his humble twenty twelve Honda Civic with his laptop computer,

1004
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 13: one thousand rounds Apollo point bullets ear muffs in a

1005
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Speaker 13: semi automatic civilian version of an AK forty seven he

1006
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Speaker 13: had ordered online from Romania. The Texas Tribune later reported

1007
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Speaker 13: that as of twenty nineteen, Romania was exporting nine thousand

1008
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Speaker 13: AK forty sevens to the United States every year. He

1009
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Speaker 13: also brought heavily insulated gloves because that rifle, he would

1010
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Speaker 13: later complain quote overheats massively. After about one hundred shots

1011
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Speaker 13: or fired in quick succession, the college student sought to

1012
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Speaker 13: start a war one he thought he wouldn't survive, but

1013
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Speaker 13: that if others followed his example might save the country.

1014
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Speaker 14: Head of his ten hour trek westward across the vast

1015
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Speaker 14: Texas landscape, Crusius filled his gas tank and pumped himself

1016
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Speaker 14: with energy drinks. He arrived in El Paso at about

1017
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Speaker 14: eight am, first parking at a CSE's Pizza, which happened

1018
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Speaker 14: to be closed. He then cruised around the border city

1019
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 14: of Homos, most seven hundred thousand people, where sixty three

1020
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 14: percent of the population primarily speaks Spanish at home. He

1021
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 14: eventually stopped at the parking lot of a Walmart superstore

1022
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 14: nicknamed the Juarez Walmart because of the large number of

1023
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 14: customers who shopped there from across the Mexican border. About

1024
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Speaker 14: three thousand people in all reestimated to be at the

1025
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Speaker 14: retail outlet when Crusius arrived.

1026
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Speaker 13: Crusius walked inside and cased the joint for at least

1027
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Speaker 13: half an hour. He went back to his civic and

1028
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 13: sat for a while in contemplation. Hungry, he went back

1029
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 13: into the store, bought an orange, and then, after returning

1030
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 13: to his car a second time, gobbled it. He then

1031
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 13: posted online a two three hundred and eighty eight word

1032
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 13: racist screed called The Inconvenient Truth. At about ten thirty eight,

1033
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 13: Crusius stepped out of his car, weapon in hand, and

1034
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Speaker 13: began massacring Mexicans and Mexican Americans. He described in his

1035
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 13: manifesto as quote the invaders.

1036
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Speaker 2: This is an NBC News special report. Here's Jose dis Bollard.

1037
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Speaker 15: Good afternoon and update now on that deadly shooting near

1038
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Speaker 15: a busy shopping mall in El Paso, Texas. It happened

1039
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Speaker 15: at a walmart near Colo Vista Mall this morning about

1040
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 15: ten am local time. The scene is about seven miles

1041
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 15: from downtown l Paso.

1042
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Speaker 14: In about three minutes, Crusius slaughtered twenty three and wounded

1043
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,960
Speaker 14: twenty two others. In spite of expressing a wish that

1044
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 14: he would die in the attack, Crusius surrendered. Police quickly

1045
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 14: connected Crusius to his Internet diet tribe, which he opened

1046
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Speaker 14: by saying he quote supports the christ Church shooter and

1047
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 14: his manifesto referring to Brenton Terran Crusius then pivoted to

1048
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 14: outrage over Mexican immigration in the United States. Jason Whiteley

1049
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 14: of a WFAA in Dallas reported on the manifesto's disturbing content.

1050
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Speaker 16: In the letter, the shooter describes himself as a white nationalist,

1051
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 16: a right wing extremist consumed by conspiracy theories. In short,

1052
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 16: he thinks that white people are being replaced by immigrants

1053
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 16: in this country. The letter states this attack is in

1054
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 16: response to the Hispanic.

1055
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 2: Invasion of Texas.

1056
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 16: They are the instigators, he wrote, not me. I am

1057
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Speaker 16: simply defending my country from cultural and ethnic replacement brought

1058
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Speaker 16: on by an invasion.

1059
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Speaker 13: By the time of the El Paso massacre, eighty men,

1060
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Speaker 13: women and children had been murdered by extremists inspired by

1061
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Speaker 13: the great Replacement theory in twenty nineteen alone. The carnage

1062
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Speaker 13: didn't end at Al Paso. On May fourteenth, twenty twenty two,

1063
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Speaker 13: a white suspect wrote a hateful rant he posted online

1064
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Speaker 13: before murdering ten and wounding three African Americans in a Buffalo,

1065
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Speaker 13: New York supermarket. He linked declining white birth rates to genocide.

1066
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Speaker 13: On May sixth, twenty twenty three, Mauricio Martinez Scarcia, a

1067
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Speaker 13: Latino white supremacist who embraced neo Nazi ideology, drove from

1068
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Speaker 13: his Dallas apartment to an outlet mall in Crusius's home

1069
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 13: town of Allen, tattooed with a Swaska, garcias shot to

1070
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Speaker 13: death nine people, including a three year old, and wounded

1071
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Speaker 13: seven others before being killed by a police officer. Garcia

1072
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Speaker 13: seemed to be targeting Asians and Asian Americans.

1073
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Speaker 14: Throughout this mayhem. The political right has proven eager to

1074
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 14: blame everything but the wide open gun laws in places

1075
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Speaker 14: like Texas, which made it legal for Crusius to mail

1076
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 14: order a civilian style AK forty seven. There was no

1077
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 14: interrogation of the long history of racism or of repeated

1078
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:36,760
Speaker 14: Republican rhetoric depicting immigrants as dangerous, but there were other

1079
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 14: convenient excuses. In an interview on the Sunday edition of

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Speaker 14: Fox and Friends shortly after the Opasser tragedy, Texas Lieutenant

1081
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 14: Governor Dan Patrick offered a menu of alternative explanations for

1082
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 14: the mass shooting, such as video games. He also suggested

1083
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Speaker 14: that public schools needed a healthy infusion of theocracy and

1084
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 14: reverence for the stars and stripes, and where are we.

1085
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 2: As a country.

1086
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Speaker 17: I look at social media, that the violence of just

1087
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Speaker 17: bullying people on social media every day, and we turn

1088
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Speaker 17: our head and we allow it. I look at on

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Speaker 17: a Sunday morning when most of your viewers right now,

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Speaker 17: half of the country are getting ready to go to church,

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Speaker 17: and yet tomorrow we won't let our kids even pray

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Speaker 17: in our schools. We have to look at ourselves as

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Speaker 17: a nation. That's many factors that go into the shooting,

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Speaker 17: many factors, and it's not a time to politicize at

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Speaker 17: the time to look deep inside of who we are

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Speaker 17: as a country where we no longer salute our flag

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Speaker 17: or we throw water on law enforcement and thank god

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Speaker 17: we have law enforcement.

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Speaker 14: In recent years, Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick has described immigration

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Speaker 14: at the southern border as an invasion that is part

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Speaker 14: of a democratic plan to quote take over our country

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Speaker 14: without firing a shot. In response to this alleged plan,

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Speaker 14: Patrick has said that Texas has a right to defend

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Speaker 14: itself from the threat of criminal invaders. In a Fox

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Speaker 14: News interview in twenty twenty four, for.

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Speaker 8: All those people who should come here legally processed and vetted,

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Speaker 8: in that group are hundreds of thousands, thousands, and thousands

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Speaker 8: of criminals, murderers, molesters, gang members, drug dealers, carjackers, kidnappers,

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Speaker 8: you name it, they're part of this group and terrorist.

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Speaker 13: Patrick Crusius's panic about white genocide and the violent rise

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Speaker 13: of black and brown people against Western civilization had deep

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Speaker 13: roots in American culture. The Texas history of segregation, white

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Speaker 13: flight post September eleventh, Islamophobia, and the backlash to globalization

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Speaker 13: poison Crusius' particular worldview. But perhaps the biggest factor in

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Speaker 13: Crusius's murderous rampage was that he was taught to hate

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Speaker 13: and fear immigrants by the grown ups around him in

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Speaker 13: the Dallas Fort Worth area.

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Speaker 14: But before we get into that, a quick eye break.

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Speaker 14: The fear of white extinction at the hands of so

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Speaker 14: called savages dates back to Puritan New England in the

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Speaker 14: sixteen hundreds. Even as they lethally infected tens of thousands

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Speaker 14: of native peoples with bubonic plague, malaria, measles, smallplocks, and typhus,

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Speaker 14: English colonizers slew thousands more in wars of conquests that

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Speaker 14: did not spare the very old, infants, that disabled, or

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Speaker 14: the unarmed Puritans didn't just kill Native Americans. They often

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Speaker 14: tortured them first and desecrated their bodies with rituals of humiliation,

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Speaker 14: such as scalping. With each act of genocide, however, the

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Speaker 14: Puritans projected those war crimes on their victims. One Puritan leader,

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Speaker 14: William Bradford, the governor of the Plymouth Colony, warned that

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Speaker 14: whites were in quote continual danger of the savage people.

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Speaker 14: A white habit of mind formed that relieved any guilt

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Speaker 14: the inhabitants of colonial America might feel about their bloodthirsty conquests.

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Speaker 14: The invaders became the defenders of the homeland, the outarmed

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Speaker 14: became the menace, and the vanquished became the aggressors. In fact,

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Speaker 14: genocide became an act of self defense.

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Speaker 13: In the Lone Star State public school students are required

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Speaker 13: to study Texas history, Crusius would have been fed highly

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Speaker 13: distorted accounts of the Texas Revolution of eighteen thirty five

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Speaker 13: to eighteen thirty six, Although the content has improved since

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Speaker 13: the Civil Rights movement. For the most part, Texas history

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Speaker 13: textbooks have depicted Mexican soldiers as ruthless killers who, without qualms,

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Speaker 13: shot Anglo soldiers at the Battle of Goliad in Southeast

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Speaker 13: Texas and the survivors at the Alamo after they surrendered.

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Speaker 13: These same students were not typically taught that white Texans

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Speaker 13: massacred six hundred and fifty Mexican soldiers, most of whom

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Speaker 13: had already cast away their weapons after the Battle of

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Speaker 13: San Jacinto, the engagement that ended the Texas Revolutionary War.

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Speaker 14: The late twentieth century, Texas students were also taught that

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Speaker 14: after the Civil War, the abolition of slavery and the

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Speaker 14: enfranchisemen of African Americans, dangerous chaos reigned. A sort of

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Speaker 14: racist myth was promoted in textbooks and classroom lectures that Reconstruction,

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Speaker 14: the state's first brief, failed experiment in multiracial democracy, was

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Speaker 14: actually a tragedy. According to the legend promoted in schoolhouses,

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Speaker 14: Reconstruction was defined not by increased literacy, improved infrastructure, in

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Speaker 14: the expansion of black human rights, but instead by political corruption,

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Speaker 14: wild government overspending, high taxes, out of control crime, and

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Speaker 14: endemic incompetence. During Reconstruction, children were taught the United States

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Speaker 14: armed African American soldiers who then harassed and assaulted harmless whites,

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Speaker 14: especially women. In short across the curriculum, white students learned

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Speaker 14: that whenever black and brown people gained power politically, socially,

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Speaker 14: or economically, white people have been in mortal peril, a

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Speaker 14: lesson that implies the need to kill or be killed.

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Speaker 13: In the nineteen twenties and nineteen thirties, white American school

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Speaker 13: kids across the country were indoctrinated into accepting eugenics in

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Speaker 13: their biology classes. They learned that if they didn't produce

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Speaker 13: large enough families, whites would lose a demographic race to Jews, Italians, Russians,

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Speaker 13: and other immigrants pouring into the country. A best selling

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Speaker 13: American author in the nineteen twenties, Lothrope Stoddard, warned his

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Speaker 13: readers that unless trends were reversed racially, superior Nordics, as

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Speaker 13: he called those from western northern Europe, might have to

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Speaker 13: fight a war of extermination to stem a deadly tide

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Speaker 13: of color that when gulf white people worldwide.

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Speaker 14: El Paso shooter Patrick Crusius grew up in Collin County,

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Speaker 14: which borders Dallas County on the north. The county's wealth

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Speaker 14: before the Civil War derived primarily from cotton cultivated by

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Speaker 14: enslaved labor. During reconstruction, klansmen organized in the county seat

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Speaker 14: of McKinney to terrorize African Americans into not voting. African

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Speaker 14: Americans continued to toil as farm labor after reconstruction, and

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Speaker 14: the white population kept them under tight control through occasional

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Speaker 14: outbursts of homicidal violence. In the summer of eighteen ninety eight,

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Speaker 14: local whites panicked when between thirty to forty African Americans

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Speaker 14: from out of town routinely gathered during a rainy season

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Speaker 14: in hopes to be on hand when the weather cleared

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Speaker 14: up so they could resume working. Ominous notices began to

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Speaker 14: appear around the town that said quote, mister Negro, don't

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Speaker 14: let the sun go down on you. On June fifteenth

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Speaker 14: of that year, klansmen warned black residents that they had

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Speaker 14: no more than ten days to leave the area. One family,

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Speaker 14: the Sebroans, became the target of a violent mob of

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Speaker 14: vigilantes known as white cappers, who arrived at their home

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Speaker 14: in the middle of the night to punish them for

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Speaker 14: not vacating their home on Main Street. Anticipating the arrival

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Speaker 14: of the terrorists, Jake Sebrin stood by the door of

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Speaker 14: his home holding a Winchester rifle. When his assailants realized

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Speaker 14: he had a gun, they fired into the house. Jake

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Speaker 14: then attempted to shoot back, but he was unable to

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Speaker 14: stop the assailants from fatally shooting his pregnant wife, Laura.

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Speaker 14: The three Sebran children were found screaming and clinging to

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Speaker 14: bed sheets near their mother's bloody body inside their home.

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Speaker 14: When it was all said and done, white Capper violence

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Speaker 14: continued for years across the state, targeting both African Americans

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Speaker 14: and Mexican Americans in an effort to maintain white supremacy.

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Speaker 13: Thirteen years later, on August eleventh, nineteen eleven, Colin County

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Speaker 13: authorities arrested a Farmersville man, Commodore Jones, for allegedly flirting

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Speaker 13: with a white telephone operator. A mob of three hundred

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Speaker 13: outraged white siezed Jones from police custody, carried him to

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Speaker 13: the city square, and hanged him from a pole in

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Speaker 13: front of the telephone office. In spite of this bloody history,

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Speaker 13: Colin County got rich and by the nineteen seventies transformed

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Speaker 13: into a major urban center. This development correlated with white flight,

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Speaker 13: as Dallas glacially to come to court order de segregation

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Speaker 13: beginning in the nineteen sixties and after uprising in response

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Speaker 13: to a Dallas police officer forcing a twelve year old

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Speaker 13: Latino Santos Rodriguez to play a fatal game of Russian

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Speaker 13: Roulette in the backseat of a police squad car.

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Speaker 14: White flight fueled population explosion in Colin County, governed by

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Speaker 14: conservatives who kept property taxes low compared to those in

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Speaker 14: the metropolitan center to the south. Corporations followed this population

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Speaker 14: shift during the half century between the nineteen seventies and

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Speaker 14: the twenty twenties. Doctor Pepper, Friedo, Lay J. C. Penny, Curing,

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Speaker 14: Pizza Hut, and the Professional Golfers Association of America, as

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Speaker 14: well as Toyota, planted their corporate headquarters there. However, even

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Speaker 14: if whites moved to Colin County in the nineteen seventies

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Speaker 14: to avoid school integration and feared urban unrest, the new

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Speaker 14: corporations brought with them diverse work forces that include Muslims, Hindus,

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Speaker 14: and people of color from all around the world. In

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Speaker 14: two thousand, non Hispanic whites made up slightly more more

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Speaker 14: than eighty one percent of the Colin County population. In

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Speaker 14: twenty twenty, that number was slightly less than fifty one percent.

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Speaker 14: Asian Americans and Asian immigrants made up almost seven percent

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Speaker 14: of the population, while Mexican Americans and immigrants from south

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Speaker 14: of the Rio Grand represented more than ten percent. All

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Speaker 14: the ingredients needed were present for a vicious racial backlash.

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Speaker 13: By twenty thirteen, the right wing in the entire Dallas

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Speaker 13: Fort Worth area was in full panic mode about immigration.

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Speaker 13: In twenty nineteen, Texas was believed to have the largest

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Speaker 13: Muslim population of any state, numbering about four hundred and

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Speaker 13: twenty two thousand, still less than two percent of the

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Speaker 13: total state population, but one of the fastest growing religious

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Speaker 13: demographics in the area. Two thirds of that population lives

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Speaker 13: in the Houston and Dallas Fort Worth metropolitan areas. Muslim

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Speaker 13: worshippers pray it as many as fifty five mosque in

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Speaker 13: the Dallas Fort Worth area in the Muslim population north

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Speaker 13: central Texas is believed to have tripled since twenty ten.

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Speaker 14: In twenty thirteen, Harry Lrosalieer won election as mayor in

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Speaker 14: the Collin County city of Plano. Conservatives mocked him at

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Speaker 14: the time as the quote mayor from Haiti in reference

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Speaker 14: to his birthplace. When affordable multi family housing was proposed

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Speaker 14: for the suburb of Plano. Fear quickly spread that black

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Speaker 14: and brown, low income workers would fill those residences. Signs

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Speaker 14: appeared that said quote, don't Dallas my Plano, referring to

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Speaker 14: the largely black and brown population in the metropolitan center.

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Speaker 14: Republican politicians across the Dallas Fort Worth area began to

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Speaker 14: warn that some of the newcomers plotted to impose quote Sharia,

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Speaker 14: or Muslim law. The panic stemmed from the practice of

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Speaker 14: many American mosques offering non binding mediation services employing principles

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Speaker 14: from the Qur'an to couples in troubled marriages to resolve

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Speaker 14: bitter business disputes between Muslims and so on. Such arbitration

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Speaker 14: is not legally binding in Muslim practice can't be imposed

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Speaker 14: on non Muslims because of the First Amendment of the

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Speaker 14: United States Constitution, which forbids the government from establishing any

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Speaker 14: sort of religion. Nevertheless, one Plaino State representative, Jeff Leach,

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Speaker 14: in twenty fifteen, introduced an anti Sharia law in the

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Speaker 14: Texas legislature. His bill failed, but Governor Abbott later signed

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Speaker 14: a similar law in twenty seventeen. Stay with us through

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Speaker 14: this ad break to learn more.

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Speaker 13: Dread about Muslims and Sharia law dominated politics in Irving,

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Speaker 13: a suburb with a population of about a quarter million

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Speaker 13: people twelve miles northwest of Dallas from much of twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 13: In February, then Mayor Beth Van Dyne, who later became

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Speaker 13: a Trump appointee, characterized a Muslim mediation panel reportedly located

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Speaker 13: in the Islamic center of Irving as an Islamic court.

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Speaker 13: She introduced a resolution to the Irving City Council supporting

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Speaker 13: Leech's proposed legislation. It passed five to four, as reported

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Speaker 13: by a CBS affiliate in Dallas.

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Speaker 18: Irving Mayor Beth van Dyne has accused local Muslim leaders

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Speaker 18: in the past of creating their own laws called Sharia law,

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Speaker 18: and adjudicating that doctrine bypassing the state and federal court system.

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Speaker 18: Catholic and Jewish faiths also have similar tribunals that are

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Speaker 18: presided over by faith leaders who act as arbitrators. But

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Speaker 18: the locally mom here in Irving says Islam is being

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Speaker 18: targeted yet not breaking any law.

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Speaker 9: They believe that we are trying to supersede the or

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Speaker 9: state laws.

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Speaker 2: And that's not the case.

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Speaker 9: We work within the boundaries of federal and state law.

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Speaker 14: Anti Muslim tensions spread across the Dallas Fort Worth area,

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Speaker 14: ending in tragic violence. Anti Muslim extremists held a deliberately

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Speaker 14: provocative quote draw the profit art contest in Garland, Texas,

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Speaker 14: a city of about two hundred and thirty five thousand

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Speaker 14: just north of Dallas, Knowing that the images of Mohammed

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Speaker 14: are prohibited by Islam and were likely to inflame the

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Speaker 14: broader Muslim community. Two heavily armed Muslim men took the

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Speaker 14: bait that day, driving from out of state and arriving

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Speaker 14: at the scene of the contest on May third. They

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Speaker 14: then shot a Garland police car before being killed with

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Speaker 14: return fire.

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Speaker 13: Little more than four months at the Garland shootings, Irving

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Speaker 13: police arrested Achmed Mohammed, a Muslim of Sudanese background, on

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Speaker 13: September fourteenth, twenty fifteen, after the fourteen year old had

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Speaker 13: brought a digital clock built as a personal science project

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Speaker 13: to MacArthur High School. Proud of his creation, Mohammed showed

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Speaker 13: the clock to one of his teachers, who subjected the

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Speaker 13: boy to racial profiling, fearing the clock might be a bomb.

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Speaker 13: The teacher seized the device and sent Mohammed to the principal,

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Speaker 13: who then called irving police officers and interrogated the boy

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Speaker 13: for ninety minutes while his parents were denied access to

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Speaker 13: their son. Meanwhile, a militia inspired by Irving Mayor Van

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01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:13,000
Speaker 13: Dine's alarmist warnings of as Sharia law showed up at

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Speaker 13: two mosque and the Dallas suburbs, wearing camouflage and mask

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Speaker 13: and brandishing twelve gage shotguns as a stock worshipper's going

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Speaker 13: to prayer.

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Speaker 14: Islamophobia in the Dallas Fort Worth area even extended to

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Speaker 14: deceased Muslims. The Islamic Association of Collin County had hoped

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Speaker 14: to establish a thirty five acre burial plot in Farmersville,

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01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:35,520
Speaker 14: a town of about four thousand people. When the Farmersville

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Speaker 14: Planning and Zoning Commission approved the plan in May twenty

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Speaker 14: fifteen without assending vote, furious opposition erupted. According to a

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Speaker 14: CNN report.

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Speaker 19: Farmersville is about twenty five miles away from Garland, Texas,

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Speaker 19: where in May police killed two Muslim gunmen who tried

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Speaker 19: to carry out a deadly attack at a draw The

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01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 19: prophet Mohammed event One resident in Farmersville has even suggested

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Speaker 19: using pigs to scare away the Muslim group.

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Speaker 5: Pek and dump pig's blud and pig heads on a float.

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Speaker 2: They won't buy the land.

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Speaker 13: If I had my way, I would outlaw at Islam

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Speaker 13: in America. Farmersville resident Jack Hawkins declared that Planning Zoning

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Speaker 13: Commission meeting quote, I would tear down every mosque that

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Speaker 13: was in this country. That's how I feel about it.

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Speaker 13: A local Baptist minister suggested that the cemetery would lead

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Speaker 13: to the establishment of the Madrasa, a Muslim religious school

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Speaker 13: that could become a training ground for extremists. He was

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Speaker 13: interviewed by CNN.

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Speaker 20: And I believe I'm a watchman on the wall Ezekiel

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Speaker 20: thirty three see the incoming danger.

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Speaker 19: David Meeks is the pastor of Bethlehem Baptist Church, which

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Speaker 19: ironically sits next to a cemetery. He says the cemetery

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01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 19: could bring radical Islam to Farmersville.

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Speaker 20: I see the expansion of Islam that's going on all

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Speaker 20: over the world, now's coming to my hometown.

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Speaker 2: And you see that danger in a cemetery.

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Speaker 20: Anytime you see the Islamic folks coming into an neighborhood.

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Speaker 20: I think, in my opinion, I think you can say

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01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:07,600
Speaker 20: we could be less safe in the future than we

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Speaker 20: are right now.

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Speaker 14: One hundred opponents of the cemetery crowded into a July fourteenth,

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Speaker 14: twenty sixteen, city council meeting in Farmersville, with some residents

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01:14:16,280 --> 01:14:20,080
Speaker 14: expressing the fear that Muslim corpses would countaminate the local

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01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:23,680
Speaker 14: water supply. Members of the local Muslim community and of

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01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:27,680
Speaker 14: the Farmersville City Council suffered threats of violence. Facing a

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01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:31,400
Speaker 14: federal lawsuit, the City of Farmersville finally relented and on

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01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:36,120
Speaker 14: September twentieth, twenty eighteen, allowed the Islamic Association to move

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01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:38,480
Speaker 14: ahead with purchasing the land needed for their graveyard.

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Speaker 13: This is the poison air. Patrick Crusius grew up breathing.

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01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:46,120
Speaker 13: He didn't kill because of computer games, because they didn't

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01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:50,160
Speaker 13: pray at schools he attended, because of protest against police violence,

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01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:54,360
Speaker 13: or the collapse of respect for authority. Crusius wrote that

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Speaker 13: America is rotting quote from the inside out, because of immigration,

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01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:01,559
Speaker 13: and that unless why heights took up arms against dark

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01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:07,040
Speaker 13: skinned newcomers, whites could become extinct in his manifesto, Crusius

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01:15:07,040 --> 01:15:11,120
Speaker 13: insisted he embraced the great replacement theory before Donald Trump

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01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:15,280
Speaker 13: became president. One can only wonder how many other self

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01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:18,840
Speaker 13: appointed racial warriors might be inspired of violence by the

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01:15:18,880 --> 01:15:22,920
Speaker 13: twenty twenty four presidential campaign that centered mostly on the

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Speaker 13: purported dangers of what Trump repeatedly called migrant crime, including

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01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:31,640
Speaker 13: the eating of neighbors, cats and dogs in the spread.

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Speaker 2: Of deadly diseases.

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Speaker 13: Trump has even repeated the warnings of early twentieth century

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Speaker 13: eugenicists about the biological damage he claims immigrants are bringing

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01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:45,440
Speaker 13: bad genes to the United States. He says Trump's incendiary

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Speaker 13: anti immigrant rhetoric has been compiled by the new site Politico.

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Speaker 21: Americans have watched their communities destroyed by this sudden, suffocating

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01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:01,240
Speaker 21: inundation of illegal alience. I said, if you let them in,

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Speaker 21: it's going to be hell. They are vicious, violent criminals.

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Speaker 21: These are stone cold killers. They'll walk into your kitchen,

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01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:12,960
Speaker 21: they'll cut your throat. These are people at the highest

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01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:16,559
Speaker 21: level of killing that cut your throat and they won't

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Speaker 21: even think about it the next morning. These people are

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01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:22,080
Speaker 21: roaming our country. They could go into a restaurant, they

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01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:24,719
Speaker 21: can do whatever they want, and they will.

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01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:28,360
Speaker 13: Kill you because they are wired that way.

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Speaker 21: These people are animals. Now they'll say, oh, that's a

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01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:33,240
Speaker 21: terrible thing for him to say. No, No, these people

1385
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:33,879
Speaker 21: are animals.

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01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:34,759
Speaker 20: It's in their jeens.

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Speaker 21: And we got a lot of bad jeans in our

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01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:37,880
Speaker 21: country right now.

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Speaker 13: That tread a white genocide has been nurtured across centuries

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01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:45,360
Speaker 13: of American history and has become one of this country's

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01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:46,640
Speaker 13: major exports.

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Speaker 14: And with politicians like Donald Trump stoking fear about the

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01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:57,599
Speaker 14: alleged quote enemy within and promoting mass deportations and the

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01:16:57,640 --> 01:17:02,120
Speaker 14: idea of quote remigration, which is a notion with a

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01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:05,519
Speaker 14: deeply fascist history, we are almost certain to see the

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01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:09,559
Speaker 14: great replacement panic continue to boil under the surface of

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01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:14,400
Speaker 14: a society with constantly shifting demographics. Ongoing economic insecurity will

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Speaker 14: feed into this, and the passive acceptance of gun violence

1399
01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:23,040
Speaker 14: as the price for American freedom will certainly feed into

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01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:27,360
Speaker 14: future racist violence. This is Stephen Monticelli and.

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01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:29,559
Speaker 13: This is Michael Phillips. Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 22: Welcome to It Happened Here, a podcast where it has

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01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:56,639
Speaker 22: happened here. I'm your host Via Wong with Vias Gere. Hello, Ger,

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01:17:56,760 --> 01:18:00,519
Speaker 22: how are you doing this occursive day. Oh, I'm feeling

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01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:04,240
Speaker 22: very healthy. I'm up on my vaccines. I'm doing pretty good.

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01:18:04,479 --> 01:18:08,040
Speaker 22: Just had a nice bowl of cereal. Hell yeah, it's great. Well,

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01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:10,880
Speaker 22: you're doing better than the country is about to be doing.

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01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:18,719
Speaker 22: Because this one, this one's bad, folks. So a couple

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01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:21,400
Speaker 22: of days ago, we promised that RFK Junior was getting

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01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:26,479
Speaker 22: his own episode, and he's getting eighty five ninety percent

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01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:28,680
Speaker 22: of his own episode. There's one other guy we're going

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01:18:28,760 --> 01:18:35,000
Speaker 22: to talk about, but unfortunately former presidential candidate Robert F.

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Speaker 2: Kennedy. I don't know what the F stands for Fitzgerald.

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01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:44,320
Speaker 22: I'm assuming Fitzgerald. Robert Fitzgerald Kennedy Junior has been nominated

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01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:47,760
Speaker 22: by Donald Trump to lead the Department of Health and

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01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:51,240
Speaker 22: Human Services. I first off need to note that RFK

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01:18:51,320 --> 01:18:53,800
Speaker 22: Junior has been credibly accused of sexual assault, and when

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01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:56,080
Speaker 22: asked for comment by The Washington Post, he said, and

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01:18:56,160 --> 01:18:59,400
Speaker 22: I quote, I said in my announcement speech that I

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01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:01,960
Speaker 22: have so many skeletons in my closet that if they

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01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:04,080
Speaker 22: could all vote, I could run for king of the world.

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01:19:05,400 --> 01:19:08,040
Speaker 2: Now, legally, I cannot.

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Speaker 22: Make an interpretation of how you want to piece together

1424
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:14,160
Speaker 22: those sets of facts, but he was accused of it,

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01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:17,400
Speaker 22: and that's what he said when the Washington Post acts

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01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:20,960
Speaker 22: for comment, So you know, that's great.

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01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:26,400
Speaker 3: Between that and like all the sexual misconduct allegations against

1428
01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:29,000
Speaker 3: Musk and like everyone else involved in Trump's orbit, Matt

1429
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:33,840
Speaker 3: gets Vince McMahon and his wife, the whole like me too.

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01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:37,160
Speaker 3: Era feels kind of dead, and it kind of has

1431
01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:41,200
Speaker 3: been for a while. But really, the general voting public

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01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:42,280
Speaker 3: does not care at all.

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01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:44,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, it does not seem to. It's very bleak.

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01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:48,640
Speaker 22: That's not even remotely the bleak is part about this appointment.

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01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:52,439
Speaker 2: Though, So oh no, he's He's that for so many reasons.

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01:19:52,479 --> 01:19:53,000
Speaker 2: Holy shit.

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Speaker 22: So I think if you are like most people listening

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01:19:57,520 --> 01:20:00,640
Speaker 22: to this, I don't think people tend to have an

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01:20:00,720 --> 01:20:05,439
Speaker 22: understanding of how many fucking departments there are, like under

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01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:07,639
Speaker 22: the Department of Health and Human Services, just how many

1441
01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:12,840
Speaker 22: different organizations there are. I originally I had listed them

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01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:14,639
Speaker 22: all out, and then I was like, I can't do this.

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01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:16,519
Speaker 2: It's too long to read in the podcast.

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01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:20,439
Speaker 22: So here are the important ones for our purposes. Nic,

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01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:21,960
Speaker 22: this isn't even all the important ones, but here are

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01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:24,600
Speaker 22: some of the important ones. So under the Apartment of

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01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:27,360
Speaker 22: Health and Human Services is, the Centers for Disease Control

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01:20:27,400 --> 01:20:30,280
Speaker 22: and Prevention, the Centers from Medicare and Medicaid Services, the

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01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:33,639
Speaker 22: Food and Drug Administration, the National Institutes of Health, the

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01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:36,799
Speaker 22: Office of Inspector General, and the Office for Civil Rights.

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01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:43,720
Speaker 2: So we've just put probably the US's.

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Speaker 22: Most famous anti vaxer in charge of all of these organizations.

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01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 22: And I say, we've just put He still has to

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01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:51,679
Speaker 22: get confirmed, and there is some chance that he doesn't

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01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:52,040
Speaker 22: make it.

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01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:53,000
Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 22: It would be much better for everyone on Earth if

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01:20:57,840 --> 01:20:59,240
Speaker 22: he fucking doesn't get appointed.

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Speaker 3: But it's still very up in the air. Yeah, if

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01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:04,479
Speaker 3: any of these guys are going to get pushed in

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01:21:04,520 --> 01:21:08,160
Speaker 3: through recess appointments, or whether the Senate will just completely

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01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:08,880
Speaker 3: cave to Trump.

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01:21:09,200 --> 01:21:10,080
Speaker 2: Who knows.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, And I mean, you know, and we'll get to

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01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:15,880
Speaker 22: part of this later. There is real political opposition to

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01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 22: Trump in parts of the Republican Party base, especially the Senate. Yeah,

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01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:23,040
Speaker 22: he is about to fuck with the money. And sometimes

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01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:25,000
Speaker 22: you can do that, and it's fine, and sometimes you can't.

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01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:28,880
Speaker 22: And we simply do not know yet. And so I

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01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:32,120
Speaker 22: think before we get into how again, an anti vaxxer

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Speaker 22: leading the US is like Health Services is going to

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01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:38,400
Speaker 22: just obliterate us all. I think it's actually worth taking

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01:21:38,439 --> 01:21:42,600
Speaker 22: a look at what this means politically in terms of

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01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:45,320
Speaker 22: Trump's base, in terms of sort of the power compositions

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01:21:45,479 --> 01:21:49,080
Speaker 22: of it, because in twenty twenty, the last time he

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01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:51,400
Speaker 22: was running, he had a real problem with the anti

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01:21:51,479 --> 01:21:54,360
Speaker 22: vaxxers because you know, on the one I had Trump

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01:21:54,479 --> 01:21:56,320
Speaker 22: like did a bunch of anti vax stuff. On the

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01:21:56,360 --> 01:21:58,600
Speaker 22: other hand, he did spend a bunch of money to

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01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:00,920
Speaker 22: develop the vaccine, and this.

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01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:03,519
Speaker 2: Pissed off an incredibly large number of people.

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Speaker 22: You have, like your Alex Jones is yelling about how

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01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:08,559
Speaker 22: he was like tricked into making the vaccine, And there's

1484
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:11,599
Speaker 22: a kind of split in his base between the people

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01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:13,679
Speaker 22: who are anti vaxxers and people who think that COVID

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01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:16,800
Speaker 22: was like designed in a lab as a bioweapon. Because

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Speaker 22: those people in theory, if you're following this coherently, right,

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01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:21,760
Speaker 22: the people who think that COVID was creating a lab

1489
01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:25,080
Speaker 22: as a bioweapon, you should also want a vaccine then,

1490
01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:26,680
Speaker 22: because that could stop the bioweapon.

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01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:30,840
Speaker 3: Well, unless the bio weapon was invented so that people

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01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:34,120
Speaker 3: would get vaccinated, and the real dangers to vaccines. See me,

1493
01:22:34,240 --> 01:22:36,120
Speaker 3: you gotta be thinking one step ahead with these people.

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01:22:36,439 --> 01:22:38,400
Speaker 22: But there's another thing too, which is you also have

1495
01:22:38,439 --> 01:22:41,720
Speaker 22: to simultaneously argue that COVID is pretty mild, because that's

1496
01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:43,920
Speaker 22: another thing that all these people believe, because you have

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01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:46,040
Speaker 22: to be anti lockdown, and to be anti lockdown, you

1498
01:22:46,040 --> 01:22:48,240
Speaker 22: have to believe that COVID is mild. So well, the

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01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:50,200
Speaker 22: chain of things you have to believe, and there are like,

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Speaker 22: I don't know, like a third of the population of

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01:22:53,160 --> 01:22:57,000
Speaker 22: the US believe some variant of like COVID was made

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01:22:57,120 --> 01:23:00,360
Speaker 22: in a lab as a bioweapon. It either escaped or

1503
01:23:00,479 --> 01:23:03,920
Speaker 22: was deployed. It's also mild. And also the vaccine is

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01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:04,639
Speaker 22: trying to kill.

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01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:08,120
Speaker 2: You, So this is bad.

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01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:11,519
Speaker 22: And Trump has kind of papered over this issue with

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01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:14,599
Speaker 22: his base by again just handing all of the fucking

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01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:17,760
Speaker 22: health departments over to RFK Junior. And a sign of

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01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:21,840
Speaker 22: what RFK Junior's tenure is going to look like, assuming

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01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:23,759
Speaker 22: he gets appointed, is that he has been putting together

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01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:26,120
Speaker 22: list of people he wants to head all of these agencies,

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01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:30,280
Speaker 22: and chief on that list is Jay Banachaira, who's he

1513
01:23:30,320 --> 01:23:33,080
Speaker 22: wants to be the head of the National Institute of Health.

1514
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:38,400
Speaker 22: Jay is an anti lockdown maniac whose thing was that

1515
01:23:38,479 --> 01:23:40,280
Speaker 22: he thought that the lockdowns were bad and that we

1516
01:23:40,280 --> 01:23:42,519
Speaker 22: should have just sent everyone back to work in this

1517
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:45,680
Speaker 22: sort of absolute peak of the pandemic before we had vaccines,

1518
01:23:46,280 --> 01:23:48,439
Speaker 22: and he thought that like only forty thousand people were

1519
01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:50,800
Speaker 22: going to die because of COVID, and that if you

1520
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:53,000
Speaker 22: just sent everyone back, everyone would get COVID and this

1521
01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:56,600
Speaker 22: would create like quote unquote herd immunity and then the

1522
01:23:56,640 --> 01:24:01,080
Speaker 22: disease would be okay, yeah, yeah, and that's sense right.

1523
01:24:01,320 --> 01:24:04,679
Speaker 3: That did not happen. We can actually save for sure. Yes,

1524
01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:07,280
Speaker 3: more than forty thousand people died. It wasn't just a flu.

1525
01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:08,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1526
01:24:08,200 --> 01:24:11,679
Speaker 22: And also you know there were countries I think Norway

1527
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:14,040
Speaker 22: tried this where they tried to like easelock dew restrictions

1528
01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:16,120
Speaker 22: early and it just killed a bunch of people and

1529
01:24:16,200 --> 01:24:18,000
Speaker 22: you didn't get an immunity benefit because then the thing

1530
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:21,040
Speaker 22: about herd immunity, right, So herd immunity is this concept,

1531
01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:22,320
Speaker 22: and this is kind of this is important for the

1532
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:25,040
Speaker 22: vaccination angle of this. It's this concept that there are

1533
01:24:25,080 --> 01:24:28,040
Speaker 22: there are some people in a population who medically cannot vaccinated.

1534
01:24:28,240 --> 01:24:30,360
Speaker 22: You know, there's like actual health reasons right for this

1535
01:24:30,439 --> 01:24:33,479
Speaker 22: that aren't just like anti vax shit. But if enough

1536
01:24:33,479 --> 01:24:35,680
Speaker 22: of the rest of the population is vaccinated, then it

1537
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:38,240
Speaker 22: doesn't matter because there's not because there's enough immunity in

1538
01:24:38,280 --> 01:24:40,479
Speaker 22: the entire herd that it's hard for the disease to spread.

1539
01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:42,040
Speaker 22: And the way you're supposed to do this again is

1540
01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:44,360
Speaker 22: with vaccines, right, But there was a whole crowd of

1541
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:48,560
Speaker 22: people who wanted to try to do this not with vaccines,

1542
01:24:48,600 --> 01:24:51,400
Speaker 22: but just by giving everyone COVID. And these are the

1543
01:24:51,479 --> 01:24:56,640
Speaker 22: people that rf Kids Junior wants to like put in

1544
01:24:56,720 --> 01:25:00,800
Speaker 22: charge of the nation's health services. Now, political response to

1545
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 22: this from our site is also really complicated because you know,

1546
01:25:03,479 --> 01:25:05,360
Speaker 22: the way that the battles already playing out in the

1547
01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:08,200
Speaker 22: media is RFK Junior versus Big Pharma. And the problem

1548
01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:10,000
Speaker 22: is no one likes big pharma unless you're being paid

1549
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:11,920
Speaker 22: by them, like we don't like big farm. But these

1550
01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:15,240
Speaker 22: companies suck shit. They're really bad. They're like parts of

1551
01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:18,800
Speaker 22: the reasons why you can afford your healthcare. But also

1552
01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:23,160
Speaker 22: the reason they're evil isn't because they make vaccines. And

1553
01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:26,960
Speaker 22: this is a this is a complicated sort of tension

1554
01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:29,040
Speaker 22: to manage and if you read a lot of the

1555
01:25:29,080 --> 01:25:31,439
Speaker 22: media coverage of this. So far, NPR has this just

1556
01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:34,360
Speaker 22: fawning article over RFK Junior. That's like, Oh, he's gonna

1557
01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:37,320
Speaker 22: like cut through the bureaucratic red tape with his controversial

1558
01:25:37,360 --> 01:25:43,000
Speaker 22: things and like help treat chronic disease. And no, he's

1559
01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:46,360
Speaker 22: an anti vaxxer. He's a very hard line anti vaxer.

1560
01:25:46,760 --> 01:25:49,880
Speaker 22: I also want to read this absolutely insane thing that

1561
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:54,880
Speaker 22: he said about COVID being a I'm just going to

1562
01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:58,120
Speaker 22: read this. I don't know how to preface this. COVID nineteen,

1563
01:25:58,280 --> 01:26:01,719
Speaker 22: there is an argument that is ethnically targeted, COVID nineteen

1564
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:05,799
Speaker 22: attacks certain races disroportionately. COVID nineteen is targeted to attack

1565
01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:08,400
Speaker 22: Caucasians and black people. The people who are most immune

1566
01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:12,000
Speaker 22: are Oscanazi, Jews, and Chinese. Oh, we don't know whether

1567
01:26:12,040 --> 01:26:14,479
Speaker 22: it was deliberately targeted or not, but there are papers

1568
01:26:14,479 --> 01:26:16,879
Speaker 22: out there that show the racial and ethnic different impact.

1569
01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:20,840
Speaker 2: Oh oh no, that's that's not what those papers are

1570
01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:24,000
Speaker 2: trying to say. No, And I will also say this.

1571
01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:26,280
Speaker 22: One of the things that you can just you know

1572
01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:28,479
Speaker 22: something very bad is about to happen is when someone

1573
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:31,600
Speaker 22: uses the word Chinese and noun you were about to

1574
01:26:31,640 --> 01:26:33,439
Speaker 22: hear the most racist shit you've ever heard in your

1575
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:34,080
Speaker 22: entire life.

1576
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:36,000
Speaker 21: Well, not to.

1577
01:26:36,040 --> 01:26:37,759
Speaker 2: Mention, askansy juice.

1578
01:26:38,120 --> 01:26:41,920
Speaker 22: Oh yeah, yeah, And so you know, want those actually

1579
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:43,760
Speaker 22: whatever which to briefly talk about what those studies were

1580
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:45,679
Speaker 22: actually saying. It's like, well, yeah, there were certain communities

1581
01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:48,360
Speaker 22: that were hit worst by COVID, and there's certain communities

1582
01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:50,519
Speaker 22: that were hit less by COVID, And that largely has

1583
01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:52,720
Speaker 22: to do with things like income and how much you're

1584
01:26:52,720 --> 01:26:55,000
Speaker 22: forced to like go work, read the plague.

1585
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:59,479
Speaker 3: Living conditions, class, poverty, where you live, gentrification, there's lots

1586
01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:00,000
Speaker 3: of aspects.

1587
01:27:00,280 --> 01:27:03,679
Speaker 22: How strong your anti vax movement is sure, definitely another

1588
01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:07,600
Speaker 22: one not to mention, just like medicalized racism, which is

1589
01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:10,439
Speaker 22: a massive problem in the American health care industry.

1590
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:13,639
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And r f K. Junior not gonna make

1591
01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:14,040
Speaker 2: that better.

1592
01:27:14,680 --> 01:27:17,120
Speaker 3: No, I don't have an inkling that's gonna be on

1593
01:27:17,160 --> 01:27:21,400
Speaker 3: the top of his priorities beyond nationalizing essentially chicken pox

1594
01:27:21,439 --> 01:27:22,840
Speaker 3: parties instead of vaccines.

1595
01:27:23,080 --> 01:27:26,320
Speaker 22: Yeah, okay, So r f K Junior has been playing

1596
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:29,240
Speaker 22: the world's most obvious shell game with the media, which

1597
01:27:29,560 --> 01:27:32,200
Speaker 22: the media, I don't know a lot of press outlets

1598
01:27:32,240 --> 01:27:33,840
Speaker 22: are just sort of rolling over for Trump right now.

1599
01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:35,439
Speaker 22: And so he's been playing this game where he's been

1600
01:27:35,439 --> 01:27:37,280
Speaker 22: telling the press, oh, I'm not going to take vaccines

1601
01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:40,679
Speaker 22: away from everyone, from anyone, and it'll be fine.

1602
01:27:41,160 --> 01:27:42,559
Speaker 2: And like we know.

1603
01:27:43,760 --> 01:27:47,320
Speaker 22: That he thinks that vaccines cause autism, Like he just

1604
01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:48,400
Speaker 22: says this all the time.

1605
01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:50,800
Speaker 2: He has promoted books about that.

1606
01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:51,439
Speaker 17: Yeah.

1607
01:27:51,520 --> 01:27:53,560
Speaker 22: Yeah, So like you know, we know that he is

1608
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:55,959
Speaker 22: anti vax, that he spread, he spreads anti vax propaganda.

1609
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:57,640
Speaker 22: We know he spent a bunch of money doing this,

1610
01:27:57,680 --> 01:28:02,240
Speaker 22: specifically also in minority communities. So there's a lot of

1611
01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:05,000
Speaker 22: dangers here, some of which we're going to get into

1612
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:08,160
Speaker 22: more when we go into what specific agencies can.

1613
01:28:08,040 --> 01:28:09,000
Speaker 2: Sort of fuck with stuff.

1614
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:11,960
Speaker 22: But one of the biggest dangers in the very short

1615
01:28:12,040 --> 01:28:15,559
Speaker 22: term is that he is now in control of what

1616
01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:20,360
Speaker 22: is effectively the US's medical science apparatus, and he can

1617
01:28:20,479 --> 01:28:23,519
Speaker 22: use this to spread all of the anti vax horseshit

1618
01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:27,600
Speaker 22: that has been spreading through like less official channels before this.

1619
01:28:28,200 --> 01:28:31,439
Speaker 22: I think it's worth remembering that this whole anti vaccine

1620
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:35,879
Speaker 22: craze started with one guy getting one shitty paper published

1621
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:38,400
Speaker 22: in the journal Lancet and the reporting on that in

1622
01:28:38,439 --> 01:28:41,479
Speaker 22: the media frenzy around that was enough to turn the

1623
01:28:41,520 --> 01:28:45,440
Speaker 22: active vaccine movement from like ten people into a worldwide

1624
01:28:45,479 --> 01:28:48,840
Speaker 22: movement that has killed unbelievable numbers of people. And the

1625
01:28:48,920 --> 01:28:52,439
Speaker 22: reason that's true is because if an official authority tells

1626
01:28:52,479 --> 01:28:56,559
Speaker 22: you like that this vaccine isn't safe, people will believe it.

1627
01:28:57,200 --> 01:28:59,160
Speaker 22: And he's going to be able to use the National

1628
01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:01,200
Speaker 22: Institutes of Health to be able to use the CDC,

1629
01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:02,880
Speaker 22: is going to be able to use the journals that

1630
01:29:02,880 --> 01:29:04,320
Speaker 22: they publish. He's going to be able to fill these

1631
01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:06,639
Speaker 22: people with his coronis. It's going to take a lot

1632
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:08,559
Speaker 22: of fighting, but he's going to be able to use

1633
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:12,000
Speaker 22: this to push anti vaccine bullshit with even just leaving

1634
01:29:12,040 --> 01:29:17,160
Speaker 22: aside his regulatory abilities, just the ability to like legitimize

1635
01:29:17,320 --> 01:29:20,800
Speaker 22: this complete horseshit as actual science. Is going to do

1636
01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:23,479
Speaker 22: incoculable damage to this country and is going to do

1637
01:29:23,479 --> 01:29:26,880
Speaker 22: incolculable damage to the world because also one of the

1638
01:29:26,920 --> 01:29:30,680
Speaker 22: things that's under Health and Human Services is the is

1639
01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:34,320
Speaker 22: the US's like international medical and healthcare programs and sort

1640
01:29:34,360 --> 01:29:36,720
Speaker 22: of prevention programs that we do internationally.

1641
01:29:37,960 --> 01:29:41,240
Speaker 2: So this is all very bad. Do you know what's

1642
01:29:41,320 --> 01:29:42,280
Speaker 2: not very bad.

1643
01:29:42,760 --> 01:29:45,120
Speaker 3: Oh, all of the ads that are gonna play right

1644
01:29:45,160 --> 01:29:48,040
Speaker 3: after I stopped talking, surely none of them could be

1645
01:29:48,360 --> 01:29:49,440
Speaker 3: slightly problematic.

1646
01:30:00,760 --> 01:30:02,519
Speaker 2: And we are back. Okay.

1647
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:05,080
Speaker 22: So when I was first writing this in the halcyon

1648
01:30:05,240 --> 01:30:08,040
Speaker 22: days of last week, right, I had a whole thing

1649
01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:10,840
Speaker 22: written here about how one of the other effects of

1650
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:12,639
Speaker 22: this is not just going to be the attack on vaccines,

1651
01:30:12,640 --> 01:30:15,720
Speaker 22: It's going to be the destruction of basic virological research, right,

1652
01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:18,200
Speaker 22: Like our basic research on viruses and on diseases is

1653
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:20,559
Speaker 22: going to be destroyed, you know. And this is because

1654
01:30:20,880 --> 01:30:23,639
Speaker 22: the people that are of Kajunior is surrounding himself with

1655
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:27,160
Speaker 22: are the Lablik Truther people, and the Lablik Truthers have

1656
01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:29,519
Speaker 22: convinced themselves to anyone who does any kind of research

1657
01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:31,560
Speaker 22: with a virus is actually like creating a giant a

1658
01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:34,719
Speaker 22: bioweapon that can at any moments like a break containment,

1659
01:30:34,760 --> 01:30:37,760
Speaker 22: and kill the entire population. And you know, so I

1660
01:30:37,800 --> 01:30:40,080
Speaker 22: was like, okay, I was putting together all this stuff,

1661
01:30:40,120 --> 01:30:44,000
Speaker 22: and then he just straight up said that when he

1662
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:46,440
Speaker 22: gets in charge, he's going to go to the NIH

1663
01:30:46,479 --> 01:30:51,120
Speaker 22: and stop studying infectious diseases for eight years first week.

1664
01:30:51,439 --> 01:30:53,400
Speaker 23: And I'm going to call all the division heads, and

1665
01:30:53,439 --> 01:30:56,400
Speaker 23: I'm going to call all the bureau chiefs, and I'm

1666
01:30:56,400 --> 01:31:00,880
Speaker 23: going to say, we're going to give drug development and

1667
01:31:01,160 --> 01:31:05,559
Speaker 23: infectious disease a break, a little break, a little bit

1668
01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:08,479
Speaker 23: of a break for about eight years, and we're gonna

1669
01:31:08,479 --> 01:31:10,519
Speaker 23: study chronic disease.

1670
01:31:11,240 --> 01:31:13,839
Speaker 22: He's just saying, straight up, he's gonna try to stop

1671
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:16,320
Speaker 22: all infectious disease research for eight years.

1672
01:31:16,320 --> 01:31:17,800
Speaker 2: Now'll think about diseases. Right.

1673
01:31:17,880 --> 01:31:22,080
Speaker 22: I talked to a virologist beforehand, who will will rename

1674
01:31:22,160 --> 01:31:23,800
Speaker 22: nameless for security purposes.

1675
01:31:24,080 --> 01:31:27,880
Speaker 2: But their response was, hold on, let me, let me,

1676
01:31:27,920 --> 01:31:30,400
Speaker 2: let me, let me read this exactly, because it's extremely funny.

1677
01:31:31,040 --> 01:31:33,040
Speaker 22: I would love if pathogens would decide to give it

1678
01:31:33,080 --> 01:31:35,280
Speaker 22: a rest for eight years. Sadly, I do not think

1679
01:31:35,320 --> 01:31:38,800
Speaker 22: pathogens will get the memo because they're random micro organisms.

1680
01:31:39,880 --> 01:31:42,000
Speaker 22: That the big issue here, right is Okay, so we're

1681
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:47,280
Speaker 22: stopping all infectious disease research. Now, you know we're already,

1682
01:31:47,320 --> 01:31:50,400
Speaker 22: I mean we're still in like we gave up trying

1683
01:31:50,400 --> 01:31:54,519
Speaker 22: to end for the first pandemic that like that would

1684
01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:57,240
Speaker 22: happen on the Trump meministration, right, we were our solution

1685
01:31:57,320 --> 01:31:59,240
Speaker 22: to this. And this is also part of The problem

1686
01:31:59,400 --> 01:32:02,280
Speaker 22: of the decay hay of these institutions, even under Biden,

1687
01:32:02,439 --> 01:32:04,719
Speaker 22: was that, you know, we gave up trying to stop COVID.

1688
01:32:04,720 --> 01:32:06,760
Speaker 2: We're we just we just just like maascer, it too

1689
01:32:06,880 --> 01:32:09,280
Speaker 2: much work. So you're all going to die now, have fun.

1690
01:32:09,640 --> 01:32:12,639
Speaker 3: Well, luckily there won't be another global pandemic anytime soon,

1691
01:32:12,640 --> 01:32:14,879
Speaker 3: because these things really only happen once a century.

1692
01:32:15,080 --> 01:32:17,120
Speaker 22: No, But you know, the content was with this, right

1693
01:32:17,200 --> 01:32:18,920
Speaker 22: is when the next pandemic hits, we're going to have

1694
01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:22,920
Speaker 22: an administration that is sort of broadly anti vax who's

1695
01:32:22,960 --> 01:32:25,439
Speaker 22: everyone around them is anti vaccine, and we're going to

1696
01:32:25,479 --> 01:32:28,759
Speaker 22: have just destroyed our capacity to do inveectious disease research.

1697
01:32:29,439 --> 01:32:32,519
Speaker 3: Well and specifically this was this was a joke about

1698
01:32:32,880 --> 01:32:33,840
Speaker 3: the bird flu.

1699
01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:35,320
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah yeah.

1700
01:32:35,439 --> 01:32:38,720
Speaker 22: Well the thing is right, so the next one could

1701
01:32:38,760 --> 01:32:40,839
Speaker 22: be that fucking bird flu strain that's bluing.

1702
01:32:40,640 --> 01:32:42,559
Speaker 2: But it could be something else too. We don't know,

1703
01:32:42,680 --> 01:32:43,679
Speaker 2: there could be other ones.

1704
01:32:43,960 --> 01:32:47,120
Speaker 22: We you know, like if you go into like the

1705
01:32:47,160 --> 01:32:49,640
Speaker 22: actual sort of causes of these things, which have to

1706
01:32:49,640 --> 01:32:53,759
Speaker 22: do with things like factory farming and like increasing human

1707
01:32:54,920 --> 01:32:58,040
Speaker 22: they call it humans zoological contact, but it's like humans

1708
01:32:58,080 --> 01:33:00,240
Speaker 22: going into places where there weren't people before and there

1709
01:33:00,240 --> 01:33:02,320
Speaker 22: are a bunch of animals and coming in in like

1710
01:33:02,360 --> 01:33:05,559
Speaker 22: increasing contact with the animals. Right, that's all stuff that

1711
01:33:05,560 --> 01:33:08,719
Speaker 22: they're driven by by structural elements of the economic system

1712
01:33:09,080 --> 01:33:11,160
Speaker 22: and like our constant needs to develop land and the

1713
01:33:11,160 --> 01:33:13,000
Speaker 22: way we've set up our meat agriculture, and that's not

1714
01:33:13,040 --> 01:33:14,920
Speaker 22: stuff that like rf K Junior gives a shit about

1715
01:33:14,960 --> 01:33:18,320
Speaker 22: like actually attempting to deal with So instead we're gonna

1716
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:23,479
Speaker 22: just do whatever this infectious disease research stop is.

1717
01:33:24,439 --> 01:33:26,160
Speaker 2: And I think this also aligns with a lot.

1718
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:27,599
Speaker 22: Of the stuff that all of that that you know,

1719
01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:31,840
Speaker 22: Trump's cabinet pointees broadly have been talking about, right, which

1720
01:33:31,880 --> 01:33:35,160
Speaker 22: is this this desire to just sort of kneecap and

1721
01:33:36,160 --> 01:33:39,000
Speaker 22: you know, sort of purge the American bureaucracy, you know.

1722
01:33:39,040 --> 01:33:41,520
Speaker 22: And I've been I've been seeing some very very optimistic

1723
01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:43,519
Speaker 22: people going like, oh, well, you can't really do a

1724
01:33:43,560 --> 01:33:45,599
Speaker 22: purge because like what competent people are good?

1725
01:33:45,640 --> 01:33:46,840
Speaker 2: Are you going to replace them with?

1726
01:33:47,000 --> 01:33:51,479
Speaker 3: It's like no one, that's the problem. That's the problem.

1727
01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:53,439
Speaker 22: Three the un replaced with no one, or they're gonna

1728
01:33:53,439 --> 01:33:56,200
Speaker 22: be replaced with like one of the like hundreds of

1729
01:33:56,200 --> 01:33:58,760
Speaker 22: millions of weird anti vaccine freaks. These people have found

1730
01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:02,040
Speaker 22: have like cultivated over like a giant global international network. Right,

1731
01:34:02,200 --> 01:34:03,879
Speaker 22: they have so many crank doctors.

1732
01:34:04,160 --> 01:34:06,559
Speaker 3: We're just going to be like governed by like a

1733
01:34:06,640 --> 01:34:10,360
Speaker 3: conspiracy theory cabinet, which is kind of what it's looking like. Yeah,

1734
01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:12,120
Speaker 3: you're just going to be governed by the Fox and

1735
01:34:12,200 --> 01:34:15,439
Speaker 3: Friends weekend host segments team.

1736
01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:20,720
Speaker 22: And oh boy, yeah, And I will say, you know,

1737
01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:22,760
Speaker 22: this is all going to be very bad. I do

1738
01:34:22,840 --> 01:34:24,800
Speaker 22: want to do a little bit of panic calming, which

1739
01:34:24,800 --> 01:34:28,160
Speaker 22: is I've seen some people freaking out about the potential

1740
01:34:28,439 --> 01:34:31,840
Speaker 22: of OURCA Junior just sort of destroying the American food

1741
01:34:31,880 --> 01:34:36,120
Speaker 22: system by just implementing a total ban on fertilizers and pesticides.

1742
01:34:36,680 --> 01:34:42,640
Speaker 22: And could he do that in theory maybe, but that

1743
01:34:42,800 --> 01:34:46,479
Speaker 22: one I don't think is really likely to happen because

1744
01:34:46,960 --> 01:34:49,000
Speaker 22: if he does, if he tries to do this, he

1745
01:34:49,080 --> 01:34:52,519
Speaker 22: is immediately going to face like one of the most

1746
01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:56,680
Speaker 22: ferocious lobbies in the entire history of American politics, which

1747
01:34:56,720 --> 01:34:59,200
Speaker 22: is the American like I guess you would call him

1748
01:34:59,200 --> 01:35:01,479
Speaker 22: the farm lobby, but really it's the American big ag

1749
01:35:01,560 --> 01:35:02,920
Speaker 22: like big agricultural lobby.

1750
01:35:03,040 --> 01:35:04,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the agricultural lobby.

1751
01:35:04,520 --> 01:35:04,760
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1752
01:35:04,880 --> 01:35:07,840
Speaker 22: Yeah, And like you are about to face like the

1753
01:35:07,880 --> 01:35:09,840
Speaker 22: power of fucking Bayer Monsanto.

1754
01:35:09,960 --> 01:35:10,240
Speaker 2: They are.

1755
01:35:10,320 --> 01:35:13,080
Speaker 22: They are a ferocious opponent. If you try banning their pesticides,

1756
01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:15,000
Speaker 22: they're going to come for you. They already hate him

1757
01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:17,800
Speaker 22: because he's already he's like has sued them over a

1758
01:35:17,800 --> 01:35:21,479
Speaker 22: bunch of stuff over the years. And the thing about

1759
01:35:21,800 --> 01:35:25,439
Speaker 22: the combination of companies that make chemicals for stuff and

1760
01:35:25,560 --> 01:35:29,280
Speaker 22: also the giant farming conglomerates who who run most of

1761
01:35:29,320 --> 01:35:33,240
Speaker 22: America's food production, is that unlike, for example, the farmer lobby,

1762
01:35:33,320 --> 01:35:35,160
Speaker 22: the farmer lobby is very powerful, but its power is

1763
01:35:35,200 --> 01:35:39,000
Speaker 22: sort of dispersed over over a broad geographic area. It's

1764
01:35:39,400 --> 01:35:42,599
Speaker 22: not like centralized very well, which which makes them sort

1765
01:35:42,640 --> 01:35:45,120
Speaker 22: of weaker in an attempt to like stop RFK Junior.

1766
01:35:45,360 --> 01:35:47,360
Speaker 22: The thing about the farm lobbies that they're not There

1767
01:35:47,360 --> 01:35:49,479
Speaker 22: are a lot of plane states. We're just straight up

1768
01:35:49,479 --> 01:35:51,599
Speaker 22: their senators And it doesn't matter which party you elect.

1769
01:35:51,680 --> 01:35:54,120
Speaker 22: Your senator is just a cutout for like the agricultural lobby.

1770
01:35:54,200 --> 01:35:54,559
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1771
01:35:54,600 --> 01:35:59,040
Speaker 22: And those people work together, right, like they have worked together,

1772
01:35:59,080 --> 01:36:01,519
Speaker 22: they will work together. They caucus together all the time

1773
01:36:01,560 --> 01:36:04,960
Speaker 22: in order to get agricultural subsidies and stuff. And these

1774
01:36:05,000 --> 01:36:07,960
Speaker 22: people are unbelievably powerful. They are united political block in

1775
01:36:07,960 --> 01:36:10,200
Speaker 22: the Senate, and they can bring the entire US governments

1776
01:36:10,200 --> 01:36:14,960
Speaker 22: greeching to a halt. So that's not a fight. I

1777
01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:18,680
Speaker 22: don't really think that he can win. But I mean

1778
01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:21,200
Speaker 22: there's still some kind of chance that he tries to

1779
01:36:21,200 --> 01:36:24,200
Speaker 22: do something like this. But on that one, and I've

1780
01:36:24,200 --> 01:36:25,680
Speaker 22: seen a lot of people panicking about it, I think

1781
01:36:25,680 --> 01:36:29,439
Speaker 22: that one will probably be Okay. That said, we're giving

1782
01:36:29,479 --> 01:36:31,920
Speaker 22: a guy who one of his big things is that

1783
01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:35,080
Speaker 22: like the government's been like repressing raw milk, and we're

1784
01:36:35,080 --> 01:36:36,799
Speaker 22: giving this guy control of the FDA.

1785
01:36:37,080 --> 01:36:42,000
Speaker 2: Oh the raw milk people, Oh my god. Yeah.

1786
01:36:42,080 --> 01:36:42,519
Speaker 24: Yeah.

1787
01:36:42,560 --> 01:36:46,280
Speaker 3: Well, and luckily there's been no FDA related fiascos this year,

1788
01:36:46,280 --> 01:36:49,960
Speaker 3: which has led to thousands of food recalls that are

1789
01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:53,720
Speaker 3: incredibly challenging to keep up with. And now the joke

1790
01:36:53,800 --> 01:36:57,400
Speaker 3: here is that there actually has been massive FDA fuck

1791
01:36:57,479 --> 01:37:00,000
Speaker 3: ups which actually has led to thousands of food recalls

1792
01:37:00,360 --> 01:37:03,160
Speaker 3: which actually are pretty challenging to keep up with because

1793
01:37:03,479 --> 01:37:06,320
Speaker 3: oh boy, our whole regulatory state was kind of got

1794
01:37:06,360 --> 01:37:08,760
Speaker 3: it the past eight years and it is still recovering

1795
01:37:09,080 --> 01:37:13,320
Speaker 3: and the deregulations have led to massive food foreign illness

1796
01:37:13,680 --> 01:37:18,839
Speaker 3: failures in the production scene. So yeah, that's that's been happening.

1797
01:37:18,880 --> 01:37:21,559
Speaker 3: I'm sure one of you has been affected by this.

1798
01:37:22,240 --> 01:37:24,639
Speaker 22: Yeah, And you know, I think there are some people

1799
01:37:24,680 --> 01:37:27,679
Speaker 22: who tend to read the way that RFK Junior talks

1800
01:37:27,680 --> 01:37:29,960
Speaker 22: about like we need eliminate like toxins from the food

1801
01:37:29,960 --> 01:37:32,200
Speaker 22: supply or whatever, and read that as, oh, he's going

1802
01:37:32,280 --> 01:37:35,120
Speaker 22: to like try to do more agriculture regulation, and oh,

1803
01:37:35,560 --> 01:37:40,120
Speaker 22: that brain has been eaten by worms, like that is

1804
01:37:40,320 --> 01:37:43,719
Speaker 22: his brain is a bunch of conspiracy theories matched together.

1805
01:37:43,840 --> 01:37:46,080
Speaker 22: Like that's not going to be how this plays out,

1806
01:37:46,479 --> 01:37:49,080
Speaker 22: unfortunately for us. Yeah, and I really think this is

1807
01:37:49,080 --> 01:37:51,559
Speaker 22: something to keep mindus. Anyone who is treating this guy

1808
01:37:51,680 --> 01:37:54,879
Speaker 22: as like some kind of serious reformer of US health policy,

1809
01:37:56,000 --> 01:37:59,120
Speaker 22: do not trust anything that they say, right, Like, keep

1810
01:37:59,240 --> 01:38:02,559
Speaker 22: notes of what fucking media outlets are saying this right now,

1811
01:38:02,840 --> 01:38:07,920
Speaker 22: because with RFK Junior, a man who says one absolutely

1812
01:38:08,200 --> 01:38:11,080
Speaker 22: like I said a thing earlier about suspending research for

1813
01:38:11,800 --> 01:38:15,120
Speaker 22: infectious diseases, right, he said that like Friday, last Friday,

1814
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:18,680
Speaker 22: at an anti vaccine conference he was on on like zoom.

1815
01:38:19,120 --> 01:38:21,040
Speaker 2: He says this shit literally all the time.

1816
01:38:21,080 --> 01:38:22,840
Speaker 22: And if you're a sort of journalist and you're treating

1817
01:38:22,880 --> 01:38:25,160
Speaker 22: him as like a semi serious guy and not this

1818
01:38:25,360 --> 01:38:28,840
Speaker 22: person like you are not sort of qualified for the

1819
01:38:28,880 --> 01:38:31,560
Speaker 22: task of covering what's going to be happening in this administration.

1820
01:38:32,200 --> 01:38:35,360
Speaker 3: I mean really, the worst thing about RFK, in my opinion,

1821
01:38:35,960 --> 01:38:39,879
Speaker 3: is that he has ruined the Kennedy conspiracy search results.

1822
01:38:40,160 --> 01:38:43,599
Speaker 3: If you google Kennedy conspiracy, it sucks now. Now it's

1823
01:38:43,680 --> 01:38:48,440
Speaker 3: just RFK conspiracy theory beliefs that he has terrible. It's

1824
01:38:48,520 --> 01:38:50,320
Speaker 3: ruined one of my great hobbies, which is trying to

1825
01:38:50,360 --> 01:38:53,520
Speaker 3: find new JFK conspiracies.

1826
01:38:56,200 --> 01:38:58,640
Speaker 2: You know what else is ruining JFK conspiracies?

1827
01:38:59,360 --> 01:39:02,040
Speaker 3: Probably the heads because my god, the more time I

1828
01:39:02,120 --> 01:39:04,720
Speaker 3: have to spend looking at advertisements is less time I

1829
01:39:04,760 --> 01:39:18,120
Speaker 3: could be reading about how JFK was secretly Okay, we

1830
01:39:18,200 --> 01:39:21,920
Speaker 3: are back, Mia. I would love to learn more about

1831
01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:25,720
Speaker 3: RFK Junior if possible, or maybe some other random guy

1832
01:39:25,760 --> 01:39:26,719
Speaker 3: who's also bad.

1833
01:39:26,960 --> 01:39:29,280
Speaker 2: What else do you have for me here? Oh boy?

1834
01:39:30,200 --> 01:39:32,160
Speaker 2: We have from here adderall.

1835
01:39:32,439 --> 01:39:36,840
Speaker 3: Oh wow, one of my favorite prescription drugs. That's not true. Actually,

1836
01:39:36,840 --> 01:39:39,559
Speaker 3: I'm actually not on stimulants. Everyone thinks just because I

1837
01:39:39,640 --> 01:39:42,720
Speaker 3: talk fast and sound like this, I probably am on stimulants.

1838
01:39:42,720 --> 01:39:45,400
Speaker 3: This actually isn't true. This is me completely sober, so

1839
01:39:45,560 --> 01:39:48,000
Speaker 3: just to imagine how worse it would be if I

1840
01:39:48,200 --> 01:39:49,040
Speaker 3: was on adderall.

1841
01:39:49,640 --> 01:39:52,599
Speaker 22: Yeah, So okay, let's do adderall first and we'll talk

1842
01:39:52,600 --> 01:39:55,840
Speaker 22: about antidepressants. So, okay, if you've had to get adderall

1843
01:39:55,960 --> 01:39:58,720
Speaker 22: and I'm actually not on it, somewhat miraculously, I don't know,

1844
01:39:58,840 --> 01:40:00,920
Speaker 22: not raculously whatever, it's not.

1845
01:40:01,040 --> 01:40:02,720
Speaker 2: It's not my favorite thing, not being on this.

1846
01:40:02,880 --> 01:40:06,360
Speaker 22: But you know, if you've tried to attain adderall or

1847
01:40:06,360 --> 01:40:08,360
Speaker 22: something like viavants or one of the other sort of

1848
01:40:08,360 --> 01:40:12,840
Speaker 22: treatments for ADHD, you have probably noticed that there's just shortages.

1849
01:40:13,439 --> 01:40:16,800
Speaker 22: And there's two explanations for the shortage if you read

1850
01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:19,200
Speaker 22: the stuff the Food and Drug Administration says, They're like, oh,

1851
01:40:19,240 --> 01:40:22,000
Speaker 22: it's because of labor shortages at drug manufacturing plants, and

1852
01:40:22,040 --> 01:40:25,960
Speaker 22: that's like not really the reason. The actual thing that's

1853
01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:28,600
Speaker 22: going on here is that so these are technically like

1854
01:40:28,640 --> 01:40:32,080
Speaker 22: restrict to substances, right, in order to produce substances like this,

1855
01:40:32,240 --> 01:40:35,600
Speaker 22: the DEA sets like a quota of the amount of

1856
01:40:35,600 --> 01:40:37,200
Speaker 22: these drugs you were able to produce in a year,

1857
01:40:37,360 --> 01:40:40,639
Speaker 22: and the DEA became absolutely obsessed with like the fact

1858
01:40:40,680 --> 01:40:43,320
Speaker 22: that people were like getting hold of other people's adderall

1859
01:40:43,960 --> 01:40:46,360
Speaker 22: and this made them absolutely lose their fucking minds to

1860
01:40:46,360 --> 01:40:51,799
Speaker 22: start imposing these unbelievably draconian production quotas on these stimulants,

1861
01:40:51,800 --> 01:40:53,439
Speaker 22: which is why there's been a fucking shortage of them

1862
01:40:53,439 --> 01:40:57,200
Speaker 22: for like three years now. It's it's worth noting. On

1863
01:40:57,240 --> 01:41:00,800
Speaker 22: the one hand, you know, the FDA has kind of

1864
01:41:01,160 --> 01:41:03,519
Speaker 22: been trying to fight the DA on this because the

1865
01:41:03,600 --> 01:41:05,280
Speaker 22: FDA is looking at this and it's like, okay, so

1866
01:41:05,320 --> 01:41:06,919
Speaker 22: we just have a bunch of people who have ADHD

1867
01:41:06,960 --> 01:41:10,960
Speaker 22: who can't get their mets, and that can just straight

1868
01:41:11,040 --> 01:41:14,080
Speaker 22: up destroy your life. Like getting getting taken off of

1869
01:41:14,080 --> 01:41:16,400
Speaker 22: one of these things immediately is really really bad for you.

1870
01:41:16,520 --> 01:41:22,080
Speaker 22: And also like not having executive function is real bad.

1871
01:41:22,720 --> 01:41:25,000
Speaker 22: But we have the mild upside of the fact that

1872
01:41:25,120 --> 01:41:29,000
Speaker 22: DA isn't technically going to be under OURFK Junior's control.

1873
01:41:29,439 --> 01:41:33,639
Speaker 3: But is it going to be under Christy Nomes control? Yeah,

1874
01:41:33,800 --> 01:41:37,000
Speaker 3: it's it's just this department, Okay, so it could maybe gates,

1875
01:41:37,000 --> 01:41:41,240
Speaker 3: Well maybe maybe gates because we have we have since

1876
01:41:41,320 --> 01:41:46,360
Speaker 3: learned that that Trump has conceded that that Gates might

1877
01:41:46,520 --> 01:41:49,640
Speaker 3: might not make it through a Senate confirmation hearing, so

1878
01:41:49,720 --> 01:41:51,759
Speaker 3: we will still see if these recent appointments are actually

1879
01:41:51,760 --> 01:41:55,479
Speaker 3: gonna happen. Yeah, so we don't know who's going to

1880
01:41:55,479 --> 01:41:56,759
Speaker 3: be running the Department of Justice.

1881
01:41:57,160 --> 01:42:03,280
Speaker 22: But comma, what we do know about RFK Junior is

1882
01:42:03,720 --> 01:42:08,040
Speaker 22: this quote from futurism quote, I'm going to create these

1883
01:42:08,080 --> 01:42:10,559
Speaker 22: wellness farms so they can go get off legal drugs,

1884
01:42:10,600 --> 01:42:13,720
Speaker 22: off opiates, but also illegal drugs, other psychiatric drugs if

1885
01:42:13,760 --> 01:42:17,040
Speaker 22: they want to to get off SSRIs, to get off bezos,

1886
01:42:17,080 --> 01:42:18,920
Speaker 22: to get off adderall, and spend as much time as

1887
01:42:18,920 --> 01:42:20,880
Speaker 22: they need three or four years if they need it,

1888
01:42:21,320 --> 01:42:26,400
Speaker 22: learning to get reparented, to reconnect with communities. So, as

1889
01:42:26,600 --> 01:42:29,280
Speaker 22: a lot of people loculic futurism have pointed out, he

1890
01:42:29,400 --> 01:42:32,080
Speaker 22: is framing this as if it's voluntary. But what this

1891
01:42:32,360 --> 01:42:36,439
Speaker 22: is is instead of treating people for mental health issues,

1892
01:42:37,080 --> 01:42:39,479
Speaker 22: you send them to a labor camp to do organic

1893
01:42:39,520 --> 01:42:43,120
Speaker 22: farming for the government. And that's very bad. And it's

1894
01:42:43,120 --> 01:42:44,880
Speaker 22: also worth noting that these programs are supposed to be

1895
01:42:44,920 --> 01:42:47,519
Speaker 22: quote unquote voluntary, have this sort of nasty way of

1896
01:42:47,560 --> 01:42:51,719
Speaker 22: suddenly becoming involuntary at the moment, someone's actually in power.

1897
01:42:52,200 --> 01:42:57,120
Speaker 22: So the worst possible read of this, like the most

1898
01:42:57,160 --> 01:42:59,680
Speaker 22: bleak and dystopian read of this, is that this is

1899
01:42:59,720 --> 01:43:03,519
Speaker 22: going to be implemented as a method of solving the

1900
01:43:03,520 --> 01:43:08,240
Speaker 22: the indescribable human cost of evicting tens of millions of people.

1901
01:43:08,600 --> 01:43:10,280
Speaker 22: One of the things that will do was just absolutely

1902
01:43:10,320 --> 01:43:13,519
Speaker 22: obliterate our labor supply for agriculture, right, because it turns

1903
01:43:13,520 --> 01:43:14,960
Speaker 22: out that the people who actually know how to do

1904
01:43:15,000 --> 01:43:19,479
Speaker 22: agriculture work is not the white planters who fucking own

1905
01:43:19,560 --> 01:43:20,040
Speaker 22: the farms.

1906
01:43:20,720 --> 01:43:22,320
Speaker 2: So this is a thing that could be used to

1907
01:43:22,320 --> 01:43:23,599
Speaker 2: try to replace that labor. Right.

1908
01:43:23,800 --> 01:43:28,840
Speaker 22: I I don't know how much I think that specific

1909
01:43:28,880 --> 01:43:31,840
Speaker 22: one is going to happen. It's unclear how he could

1910
01:43:31,880 --> 01:43:33,840
Speaker 22: use the power of the state to do this, right,

1911
01:43:34,360 --> 01:43:35,639
Speaker 22: There's not a direct path.

1912
01:43:36,160 --> 01:43:39,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, this seems this seems really this seems really goofy.

1913
01:43:39,520 --> 01:43:42,400
Speaker 22: Frankly, Yeah, like I've seen some panic over it, and

1914
01:43:42,400 --> 01:43:46,000
Speaker 22: it's like, I, I mean maybe that's a like I

1915
01:43:46,040 --> 01:43:49,120
Speaker 22: don't know thing that's like a like I don't know.

1916
01:43:49,120 --> 01:43:50,760
Speaker 2: We're in like year six of the Trump of the

1917
01:43:51,360 --> 01:43:53,000
Speaker 2: second Trump administration, and like.

1918
01:43:53,240 --> 01:43:55,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, I really don't see how they could even get

1919
01:43:55,600 --> 01:43:58,080
Speaker 3: anywhere close to the numbers for like a voluntary drug

1920
01:43:58,240 --> 01:44:03,280
Speaker 3: like rehab program that puts you into like agricultural farm work,

1921
01:44:03,520 --> 01:44:05,799
Speaker 3: that it's not going to replace any of the missing

1922
01:44:05,840 --> 01:44:06,479
Speaker 3: farm labor.

1923
01:44:06,640 --> 01:44:09,679
Speaker 22: No, no, it won't work, right even if you could

1924
01:44:09,720 --> 01:44:12,120
Speaker 22: do the compulsory labor, thinking there's not just simply aren't

1925
01:44:12,200 --> 01:44:15,240
Speaker 22: enough people right to do it. And also agricultural labor

1926
01:44:15,280 --> 01:44:18,640
Speaker 22: is skilled work, right, like, yeah, you actually have to

1927
01:44:18,640 --> 01:44:22,760
Speaker 22: know what you're doing. But comma, I will mention you know,

1928
01:44:22,840 --> 01:44:24,840
Speaker 22: as this is kind of this is an unlikely but

1929
01:44:25,000 --> 01:44:27,400
Speaker 22: technically possible thing to happen. The thing that's more likely

1930
01:44:27,640 --> 01:44:31,280
Speaker 22: to happen is that this is a good time to

1931
01:44:31,280 --> 01:44:34,760
Speaker 22: mention that one of the organizations that's under how the

1932
01:44:34,840 --> 01:44:38,800
Speaker 22: Human Services is the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration,

1933
01:44:39,880 --> 01:44:43,120
Speaker 22: and there are a lot of ways using this administration

1934
01:44:43,280 --> 01:44:45,519
Speaker 22: and also just cooperating with the DEA, because again we

1935
01:44:45,560 --> 01:44:48,720
Speaker 22: have to remember this DEA is just unbelievably pissed off

1936
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Speaker 22: at the thought of like a single person getting their prescription.

1937
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Speaker 22: So I don't think it will be hard for RFK

1938
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Speaker 22: Junior to find his allies in the Justice Department to

1939
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Speaker 22: intensify the crackdown that's already been happening on on things

1940
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Speaker 22: like on things like adderall and on things like antidepressants,

1941
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Speaker 22: because you know, there's a whole other range of conspiracy

1942
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Speaker 22: theories that when we've covered this on the show, right

1943
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Speaker 22: that I have to do with, like people who think

1944
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Speaker 22: that like, oh, all the all the mass shooters are

1945
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Speaker 22: on antidepressants or whatever, and that kind of stuff is

1946
01:45:14,720 --> 01:45:16,800
Speaker 22: that kind of thinking is incredibly powerful, and there's there's

1947
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Speaker 22: a real chance that we are about to see a

1948
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Speaker 22: bunch of people who believe that shit suddenly in control

1949
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Speaker 22: of a bunch of the agencies.

1950
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Speaker 2: They are supposed to be doing drug regulations.

1951
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Speaker 22: There are other things that we can see him do.

1952
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Speaker 22: He's going to have some authority over approving new vaccines,

1953
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Speaker 22: which is real bad. It's gonna be hard for him

1954
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Speaker 22: to just like, I don't like, he can't just like

1955
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Speaker 22: do a vaccine ban. But what he can do is

1956
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Speaker 22: you can also fuck with people's insurance covering vaccinations, and

1957
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Speaker 22: he can fuck with like to what extent they're recommended

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Speaker 22: by the government.

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Speaker 3: This is really upsetting for the potential like HIV vaccine

1960
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Speaker 3: that's oh like nearing its completion.

1961
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Speaker 2: We're going to get to that that. Hold on, give it,

1962
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Speaker 2: give me one second, because we're getting too that.

1963
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Speaker 22: No, okay, so before we get to the fact that

1964
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Speaker 22: our FID Junior is an HIV AIDS denialist, we need

1965
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Speaker 22: to point out one more thing he can do, which

1966
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Speaker 22: is that he can use the Office of the Inspector

1967
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Speaker 22: General as a weapon to you know, I mean.

1968
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Speaker 2: It is the Office of the Inspector General.

1969
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Speaker 22: And like the regular the legal and regulatory capacities of

1970
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Speaker 22: the other agencies under Health and Human Services, are they

1971
01:46:18,840 --> 01:46:20,439
Speaker 22: supposed to be a thing that you can use to

1972
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Speaker 22: go after drug companies for like making vaccines. No, will

1973
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Speaker 22: he be able to do it, probably because we are

1974
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Speaker 22: about to enter a a era of like law fair

1975
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Speaker 22: and like what is it isn't considered legal? That is

1976
01:46:36,160 --> 01:46:39,120
Speaker 22: going to make the past like eight years seem like

1977
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Speaker 22: the most functional democratic regime the world has ever seen.

1978
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Speaker 22: So we're probably going to see that, and we're also

1979
01:46:44,800 --> 01:46:49,280
Speaker 22: going to see the effects of RFKI Junior's HIV AIDS denihalism.

1980
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Speaker 22: And this shit is so I don't know if people

1981
01:46:53,840 --> 01:46:58,040
Speaker 22: even remember this, but there is a whole like one

1982
01:46:58,040 --> 01:47:01,120
Speaker 22: of the earlier kind of anti VACS conspiracy movements was

1983
01:47:01,160 --> 01:47:06,840
Speaker 22: about HIV not being the cause of AIDS. And it's

1984
01:47:06,880 --> 01:47:09,280
Speaker 22: been so long since this has been a public thing

1985
01:47:09,320 --> 01:47:10,960
Speaker 22: that I think most people have sort of forgotten about it.

1986
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Speaker 22: I think Dave Gruel is probably the most famous one

1987
01:47:14,479 --> 01:47:16,200
Speaker 22: of these guys, But he was in this camp of

1988
01:47:16,240 --> 01:47:20,240
Speaker 22: people who thought that like AIDS was cosmy malnutrition. Are

1989
01:47:20,320 --> 01:47:22,519
Speaker 22: arf Kad Junior not in that camp Arkad Junior in

1990
01:47:22,560 --> 01:47:25,400
Speaker 22: an even worse camp of people who were just like, oh, yeah, no,

1991
01:47:25,479 --> 01:47:28,160
Speaker 22: it's because like gay people were doing poppers.

1992
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Speaker 2: That like that's his actual thing, right, he thinks that

1993
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Speaker 2: you think it was poppers.

1994
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Speaker 22: Yeah, he thinks it's because of just literally like quote,

1995
01:47:35,760 --> 01:47:40,559
Speaker 22: the gay lifestyle is why HIV happened. This kind of

1996
01:47:40,600 --> 01:47:43,840
Speaker 22: shit wiped out in entire generation of query people. Our

1997
01:47:43,840 --> 01:47:46,439
Speaker 22: best hope here is that he's forgotten about most of

1998
01:47:46,479 --> 01:47:50,880
Speaker 22: this and is on to more and new, like just

1999
01:47:50,920 --> 01:47:54,639
Speaker 22: gets sidetracked on his other conspiracies. Then it's just gets

2000
01:47:54,680 --> 01:47:59,559
Speaker 22: obsessed with raw milk or whatever. But yeah, this this

2001
01:47:59,600 --> 01:48:02,599
Speaker 22: could be really, really fucking bad for if he actually

2002
01:48:02,600 --> 01:48:04,000
Speaker 22: decides that this is one of the issues he's going

2003
01:48:04,040 --> 01:48:06,040
Speaker 22: to focus on. Right, He's now in charge a bunch

2004
01:48:06,080 --> 01:48:07,720
Speaker 22: of the of a bunch of the agencies that like

2005
01:48:07,800 --> 01:48:11,040
Speaker 22: helps people fucking deal with this, right because agv aids now,

2006
01:48:11,800 --> 01:48:13,720
Speaker 22: you know, getting it is on a death sentence, Like

2007
01:48:13,760 --> 01:48:16,160
Speaker 22: you can live, you can live a perfectly functioned normental

2008
01:48:16,200 --> 01:48:17,920
Speaker 22: life as long as you have the right medical care.

2009
01:48:18,400 --> 01:48:20,920
Speaker 22: And there's as as Garrett was talking about earlier, there's

2010
01:48:21,040 --> 01:48:25,599
Speaker 22: there is a pretty promising vaccine that could fucking stop

2011
01:48:25,600 --> 01:48:25,960
Speaker 22: this shit.

2012
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Speaker 11: Right.

2013
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Speaker 22: But if this is something that he remembers and he

2014
01:48:30,040 --> 01:48:32,640
Speaker 22: focuses on, there's a real chance of him using his

2015
01:48:32,760 --> 01:48:34,679
Speaker 22: power to fuck with it because he is a kind

2016
01:48:34,720 --> 01:48:38,360
Speaker 22: of homophobic that like up until really two or three

2017
01:48:38,439 --> 01:48:41,559
Speaker 22: years ago had kind of like mostly vanished from like

2018
01:48:41,680 --> 01:48:44,240
Speaker 22: the mainstream even from sort of like the heart that

2019
01:48:44,439 --> 01:48:47,080
Speaker 22: like the homophobes tended to have different homophobia now than

2020
01:48:47,160 --> 01:48:47,880
Speaker 22: like this shit.

2021
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is like a classic eighties nineties homophobia.

2022
01:48:52,439 --> 01:48:53,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

2023
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Speaker 22: And at this point also we need to mention that again,

2024
01:48:56,240 --> 01:48:57,920
Speaker 22: one of the offices that he's now in charge of

2025
01:48:58,000 --> 01:49:00,240
Speaker 22: is the Office for Civil Rights the ocr which is

2026
01:49:00,280 --> 01:49:03,640
Speaker 22: oh cool. We've talked about on our episodes about transpolicy.

2027
01:49:03,720 --> 01:49:05,880
Speaker 22: He's I don't know, RFK Junior is kind of one

2028
01:49:05,880 --> 01:49:07,160
Speaker 22: of those people where it's like it's not clear to

2029
01:49:07,160 --> 01:49:09,160
Speaker 22: me if like his heart's really in the anti trans stuff.

2030
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Speaker 22: He says all of the most hideous anti transshit, right,

2031
01:49:11,880 --> 01:49:14,040
Speaker 22: But that's also like it's also a pretty recent position

2032
01:49:14,080 --> 01:49:15,719
Speaker 22: that he's adopted, you mean, yeah.

2033
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Speaker 2: Same thing with Trump. Yeah, but now that might not matter, right.

2034
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Speaker 3: Sure, I'm just saying that these are more recent changes

2035
01:49:22,160 --> 01:49:24,679
Speaker 3: from them, Yeah, yeah, to kind of reflect a growing

2036
01:49:24,800 --> 01:49:28,120
Speaker 3: shift in politics for like the GOP and their and

2037
01:49:28,160 --> 01:49:31,679
Speaker 3: their base. Yeah, whereas like historically Trump has has felt

2038
01:49:31,720 --> 01:49:37,599
Speaker 3: fine sexually harassing trans women yep, yep, because of their women,

2039
01:49:37,720 --> 01:49:41,479
Speaker 3: because of misogyny, you know, yeah anyway, But you know,

2040
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Speaker 3: but our issue here is that the Office of Civil

2041
01:49:44,240 --> 01:49:46,960
Speaker 3: Rights is the office that you're supposed to that that's

2042
01:49:46,960 --> 01:49:50,799
Speaker 3: supposed to be the thing that stops discrimination in healthcare.

2043
01:49:50,920 --> 01:49:53,360
Speaker 3: Oh okay, And in fact, this is the organization that

2044
01:49:53,439 --> 01:49:55,800
Speaker 3: the Biden administration had just left trans people to the

2045
01:49:55,800 --> 01:49:58,439
Speaker 3: mercy of where if like if your healthcare got banned,

2046
01:49:58,439 --> 01:50:00,640
Speaker 3: you were supposed to like submit a complet to the

2047
01:50:00,640 --> 01:50:04,919
Speaker 3: ocr So like it's not like an incredibly functional agency

2048
01:50:05,000 --> 01:50:08,400
Speaker 3: right now, right, but it's about to get a lot worse.

2049
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Speaker 2: There's a couple other things that.

2050
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Speaker 22: I should mention before we close out here that are

2051
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Speaker 22: I mean, you could do a full episode on in

2052
01:50:14,360 --> 01:50:16,799
Speaker 22: and of themselves, but there's just so much shit here.

2053
01:50:17,520 --> 01:50:20,320
Speaker 22: One of them is that he's also like anti fluoride

2054
01:50:20,640 --> 01:50:24,800
Speaker 22: in drinking water. Yes, yes, yes, Now this is one

2055
01:50:24,800 --> 01:50:26,280
Speaker 22: where I don't know how much power he's gonna have

2056
01:50:26,280 --> 01:50:27,800
Speaker 22: to do this because a lot of fluoride stuff is

2057
01:50:27,800 --> 01:50:29,040
Speaker 22: done at the local level.

2058
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Speaker 3: Well luckily for our friends of Bortland, and this won't

2059
01:50:31,280 --> 01:50:34,000
Speaker 3: affect them at all because there already is no fluoride

2060
01:50:34,000 --> 01:50:35,880
Speaker 3: in your drinking water yep.

2061
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Speaker 22: So our dental health is just fucked because of this.

2062
01:50:38,560 --> 01:50:40,400
Speaker 22: He's probably going to use. This is gonna be another

2063
01:50:40,400 --> 01:50:43,120
Speaker 22: bully pulpit thing where he uses his position to push

2064
01:50:43,160 --> 01:50:45,880
Speaker 22: anti fluoride shit. And I think the last thing I

2065
01:50:45,920 --> 01:50:48,639
Speaker 22: want to end on is just one of the like cruel,

2066
01:50:48,760 --> 01:50:51,599
Speaker 22: petty things that he's probably going to be able to do.

2067
01:50:52,240 --> 01:50:55,760
Speaker 22: Is one of the like bugbears of the right is

2068
01:50:55,800 --> 01:50:59,639
Speaker 22: that like people on food stamps aren't eating healthy enough food,

2069
01:51:00,120 --> 01:51:01,920
Speaker 22: and so we're probably gonna see a bunch of these

2070
01:51:02,040 --> 01:51:04,240
Speaker 22: just really hideous restrictions and of what you can buy

2071
01:51:04,600 --> 01:51:06,360
Speaker 22: with with snap benefits.

2072
01:51:06,840 --> 01:51:07,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2073
01:51:07,560 --> 01:51:09,960
Speaker 3: Well, and the rest of these guys also just want

2074
01:51:10,400 --> 01:51:12,640
Speaker 3: snap benefits and welfare to also just like go down

2075
01:51:12,680 --> 01:51:13,679
Speaker 3: the toilet entirely.

2076
01:51:13,840 --> 01:51:16,040
Speaker 22: So yeah, so they're trying to make them as unusable

2077
01:51:16,040 --> 01:51:18,200
Speaker 22: as possible. And again it's like okay, so like if

2078
01:51:18,240 --> 01:51:20,040
Speaker 22: you can only buy like fresh fruit with this and

2079
01:51:20,080 --> 01:51:22,639
Speaker 22: you live in a food desert, yeah, because you're poor,

2080
01:51:23,040 --> 01:51:23,720
Speaker 22: what the fuck you?

2081
01:51:23,720 --> 01:51:26,720
Speaker 2: You know, right, It's just it's just compounding classism.

2082
01:51:26,800 --> 01:51:29,400
Speaker 22: Yeah, And the general trend of this is things are

2083
01:51:29,400 --> 01:51:34,400
Speaker 22: either going to get monumentally worse or merely sort of worse.

2084
01:51:34,920 --> 01:51:36,680
Speaker 2: I do love those two options.

2085
01:51:37,080 --> 01:51:40,360
Speaker 22: Yeah, when your best chance is your hope, you're hoping

2086
01:51:40,400 --> 01:51:42,200
Speaker 22: the brain worms ate the part of his brain that

2087
01:51:42,320 --> 01:51:46,120
Speaker 22: remembered this specific conspiracy, you're in real trouble.

2088
01:51:47,280 --> 01:51:50,240
Speaker 3: I mean, RFK Junior is so emblematic of like the

2089
01:51:50,280 --> 01:51:54,800
Speaker 3: type of like democrat, kind of wing nut hippie environmental

2090
01:51:55,120 --> 01:51:58,320
Speaker 3: guy who then slowly has been pivoting to like the

2091
01:51:58,400 --> 01:52:00,479
Speaker 3: right wing conspiracy sphere. Like you've seen this with a

2092
01:52:00,520 --> 01:52:02,439
Speaker 3: lot of like you know, like hippie moms from like

2093
01:52:02,439 --> 01:52:05,639
Speaker 3: the nineties right who had very like you know, fluoride beliefs,

2094
01:52:05,720 --> 01:52:08,000
Speaker 3: vaccine beliefs, like all this type of stuff that was

2095
01:52:08,080 --> 01:52:10,360
Speaker 3: kind of more associated with this like kind of like

2096
01:52:11,320 --> 01:52:15,840
Speaker 3: slightly conspiratorial wing nutty section of like the left, and

2097
01:52:15,920 --> 01:52:19,760
Speaker 3: how much that entire sphere has been totally eaten by

2098
01:52:19,800 --> 01:52:22,400
Speaker 3: the right and now it's a pretty like successful and

2099
01:52:22,439 --> 01:52:25,120
Speaker 3: reliable voting block for them. And this has only become

2100
01:52:25,160 --> 01:52:27,680
Speaker 3: more of the case under Trump's first term. And now

2101
01:52:27,720 --> 01:52:29,719
Speaker 3: we are seeing it again with these types of guys

2102
01:52:30,080 --> 01:52:34,120
Speaker 3: not just on like Facebook comments sections, but now actually

2103
01:52:34,160 --> 01:52:35,920
Speaker 3: like heading up entire departments of state.

2104
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Speaker 22: Yeah, and it's also worth mentioning that part of the

2105
01:52:38,320 --> 01:52:40,479
Speaker 22: reason this stuff happens is because it's really profitable the

2106
01:52:40,520 --> 01:52:42,800
Speaker 22: anti vaccine lobby, and it is a lobby, has an

2107
01:52:42,880 --> 01:52:45,160
Speaker 22: unbelievable amount of money. You see a lot of people

2108
01:52:45,320 --> 01:52:47,760
Speaker 22: pivot towards it. I'm going to close this out by

2109
01:52:47,840 --> 01:52:52,000
Speaker 22: yelling at there's a media organization called grey Zone, which

2110
01:52:52,040 --> 01:52:54,559
Speaker 22: if you've been involved in anti Palestine activistm you've probably

2111
01:52:54,560 --> 01:52:57,879
Speaker 22: seen some of their reporting. They are also like pivoted

2112
01:52:57,960 --> 01:53:01,519
Speaker 22: into this kind of anti vaccine stuff. And you know,

2113
01:53:01,680 --> 01:53:03,760
Speaker 22: you remember remember at the top what I talked about

2114
01:53:03,920 --> 01:53:07,200
Speaker 22: Jay Badachaira, who's that anti lockdown fanatic who's going to

2115
01:53:07,240 --> 01:53:09,800
Speaker 22: be in charge of the National Institutes of Health. He

2116
01:53:09,920 --> 01:53:12,920
Speaker 22: is a guy that, like Grey Zone, interviewed on their

2117
01:53:13,000 --> 01:53:15,040
Speaker 22: fucking website and put out a bunch of articles in

2118
01:53:15,080 --> 01:53:18,960
Speaker 22: support of his anti lockdown stuff. Right, And so this

2119
01:53:19,000 --> 01:53:20,960
Speaker 22: is something that we've been seeing for the last four years,

2120
01:53:21,160 --> 01:53:22,880
Speaker 22: is a lot of people who are supposed to be

2121
01:53:22,960 --> 01:53:25,719
Speaker 22: leftists pivoting towards his anti vax stuff. Gibidor is another

2122
01:53:25,720 --> 01:53:28,479
Speaker 22: example of this. Yes, yes, literally purely because it makes

2123
01:53:28,479 --> 01:53:31,840
Speaker 22: you a lot of money. And now that now these

2124
01:53:31,880 --> 01:53:34,880
Speaker 22: grifters just have their guy in office, and all of

2125
01:53:34,920 --> 01:53:37,240
Speaker 22: us are going to have to live with the consequences

2126
01:53:37,240 --> 01:53:41,320
Speaker 22: of it unless unless we stop this jackass from being

2127
01:53:41,360 --> 01:53:44,760
Speaker 22: put into office, which is not impossible. It's it's it's

2128
01:53:44,800 --> 01:53:47,519
Speaker 22: not without hope. This guy has a lot of enemies,

2129
01:53:48,040 --> 01:53:52,920
Speaker 22: both among like the people, and also in corporate America

2130
01:53:53,080 --> 01:53:54,479
Speaker 22: so h and also.

2131
01:53:54,360 --> 01:53:57,640
Speaker 2: In the animal kingdom. That's true, that's true. He has

2132
01:53:57,800 --> 01:54:02,560
Speaker 2: he has many enemies. Families of the dead carcasses he draws.

2133
01:54:02,240 --> 01:54:06,040
Speaker 3: Around well, and this is the families of the microbials

2134
01:54:06,080 --> 01:54:09,719
Speaker 3: in those carcasses which have wormed their way literally into

2135
01:54:09,760 --> 01:54:10,280
Speaker 3: his brain.

2136
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Speaker 24: Yeah.

2137
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Speaker 25: Hello, and welcome back to It could Happen Here, a

2138
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Speaker 25: show that is no longer hypothetical now that it is

2139
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Speaker 25: happening here. I'm your occasional host, Molly Conger, and today

2140
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Speaker 25: I just want to talk to you a little bit

2141
01:54:45,600 --> 01:54:50,080
Speaker 25: about your online security. It's a hot topic right now

2142
01:54:50,120 --> 01:54:53,800
Speaker 25: for obvious reasons, and this won't be a comprehensive overview

2143
01:54:53,840 --> 01:54:56,920
Speaker 25: on the subject by any meanings. I'm sure there will

2144
01:54:56,920 --> 01:54:59,680
Speaker 25: be more episodes in the future covering specific angles on

2145
01:54:59,720 --> 01:55:02,760
Speaker 25: this more depth, but today I just want to touch

2146
01:55:02,760 --> 01:55:05,600
Speaker 25: on some basics, especially for people who may be asking

2147
01:55:05,640 --> 01:55:09,520
Speaker 25: themselves some of these questions for the first time. This

2148
01:55:09,600 --> 01:55:12,560
Speaker 25: is more of a mental framework and a pep talk.

2149
01:55:13,360 --> 01:55:16,560
Speaker 25: The main message here is don't freak out. I'm not

2150
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Speaker 25: saying the situation isn't serious for your concerns aren't real.

2151
01:55:21,000 --> 01:55:24,120
Speaker 25: It's very serious, But freaking out is not going to

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Speaker 25: do you any good. And if you're looking for complicated,

2153
01:55:27,840 --> 01:55:31,440
Speaker 25: high tech solutions to the very real anxiety that you're

2154
01:55:31,440 --> 01:55:34,680
Speaker 25: feeling right now, this episode doesn't have it. That's not

2155
01:55:34,720 --> 01:55:36,680
Speaker 25: what I have for you today. And I know a

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01:55:36,720 --> 01:55:39,960
Speaker 25: lot of people have really specific concerns about apps they

2157
01:55:40,040 --> 01:55:43,080
Speaker 25: might be using to track their menstrual cycles or fertility.

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Speaker 25: And we're not going to touch on that today because

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Speaker 25: I think it's a topic that deserves its own episode,

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Speaker 25: and an episode where I talk to an actual expert.

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Speaker 25: So I'm hoping to get that out next month. So

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01:55:56,280 --> 01:55:59,760
Speaker 25: what are we talking about? The answer is pretty simple,

2163
01:56:00,480 --> 01:56:02,840
Speaker 25: calming down and shutting up.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 25: It's only Thursday when this airs, but it is always

2166
01:56:07,120 --> 01:56:10,320
Speaker 25: shut the fuck up Friday in our hearts, because the

2167
01:56:10,320 --> 01:56:13,800
Speaker 25: main source of the risks you can do something about

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Speaker 25: is your own mouth. Because here's the thing. I'm not

2169
01:56:18,920 --> 01:56:23,560
Speaker 25: an expert on digital security. I'm not a computer programmer

2170
01:56:23,680 --> 01:56:26,920
Speaker 25: or a hacker. I had to call our producer Danil

2171
01:56:27,040 --> 01:56:29,360
Speaker 25: one time because I went to record an episode and

2172
01:56:29,400 --> 01:56:33,600
Speaker 25: my little recording device said no, and I almost cried.

2173
01:56:33,640 --> 01:56:36,600
Speaker 25: And it turned out I accidentally slid the little tab

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Speaker 25: on the data card that locks it. I don't know,

2175
01:56:41,040 --> 01:56:43,920
Speaker 25: but what I do know a lot about is how

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Speaker 25: to exploit someone else's lack of digital security. If you're

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Speaker 25: a listener to my show We're Little Guys, you know

2178
01:56:51,400 --> 01:56:54,440
Speaker 25: that I kind of have a knack for finding out

2179
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Speaker 25: everything there is to know about a guy. So what

2180
01:56:57,280 --> 01:56:59,800
Speaker 25: I can offer you is a sort of reverse engineered

2181
01:56:59,840 --> 01:57:05,920
Speaker 25: guy to stay safe online from someone like me but evil.

2182
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Speaker 25: I like to tell people that you should be thinking

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01:57:08,560 --> 01:57:12,120
Speaker 25: of your digital security kind of like your health. People

2184
01:57:12,120 --> 01:57:16,280
Speaker 25: are going to have different risk factors, different vulnerabilities, different concerns,

2185
01:57:16,360 --> 01:57:20,360
Speaker 25: different goals. If you're undocumented or on a student or

2186
01:57:20,400 --> 01:57:23,680
Speaker 25: work visa, the risks and possible consequences for you are

2187
01:57:23,840 --> 01:57:26,880
Speaker 25: very different. If you're queer or trans or a person

2188
01:57:26,880 --> 01:57:30,520
Speaker 25: of color, your risk profile looks different. If you're economically

2189
01:57:30,560 --> 01:57:33,560
Speaker 25: dependent on family members whose politics don't align with yours,

2190
01:57:33,560 --> 01:57:36,880
Speaker 25: your risk profile is different. If you have a criminal record,

2191
01:57:36,920 --> 01:57:39,120
Speaker 25: if you work in a field where your political activity

2192
01:57:39,160 --> 01:57:42,320
Speaker 25: is a significant threat to your continued employment, if you're

2193
01:57:42,360 --> 01:57:44,400
Speaker 25: running for office, if you have a security clearance, if

2194
01:57:44,440 --> 01:57:48,960
Speaker 25: you have children or vulnerable family. These are all different vulnerabilities,

2195
01:57:49,560 --> 01:57:52,240
Speaker 25: and you're going to have specific concerns that are unique

2196
01:57:52,240 --> 01:57:55,600
Speaker 25: to you. And this isn't meant to address those specific

2197
01:57:55,800 --> 01:57:59,240
Speaker 25: risk scenarios. But just like people who may have different

2198
01:57:59,320 --> 01:58:02,560
Speaker 25: risk factors when comes to their health, everyone can benefit

2199
01:58:02,600 --> 01:58:05,320
Speaker 25: from the basics. You know, no matter who you are,

2200
01:58:05,880 --> 01:58:08,200
Speaker 25: you have to wash your hands, and when it comes

2201
01:58:08,240 --> 01:58:10,320
Speaker 25: to digital security, a lot of People want to jump

2202
01:58:10,400 --> 01:58:14,200
Speaker 25: right to the exciting, complicated technical fixes. You know, they

2203
01:58:14,240 --> 01:58:20,000
Speaker 25: want the Kim Kardashian full body MRI equivalent of being

2204
01:58:20,040 --> 01:58:23,280
Speaker 25: safe online. People want to talk about buying burner phones

2205
01:58:23,320 --> 01:58:26,000
Speaker 25: and getting a Faraday bag and evading high tech surveillance,

2206
01:58:26,040 --> 01:58:29,520
Speaker 25: but they're not washing their hands. People love to say

2207
01:58:29,560 --> 01:58:32,000
Speaker 25: they're going to buy a burner phone. But if you

2208
01:58:32,000 --> 01:58:34,760
Speaker 25: go to Walmart and you buy a burner phone and

2209
01:58:34,800 --> 01:58:36,720
Speaker 25: you put your credit card into the machine that is

2210
01:58:36,760 --> 01:58:38,760
Speaker 25: recording a video of your face, and then you take

2211
01:58:38,800 --> 01:58:40,800
Speaker 25: that phone home and turn it on inside your house

2212
01:58:41,240 --> 01:58:44,120
Speaker 25: next to your real phone, you've done nothing but waste

2213
01:58:44,120 --> 01:58:47,400
Speaker 25: your time and money. So we're not talking about solutions

2214
01:58:47,480 --> 01:58:51,720
Speaker 25: like that. We are talking about is boring, un sexy,

2215
01:58:52,160 --> 01:58:56,040
Speaker 25: basic stuff that everybody can and should be doing before

2216
01:58:56,080 --> 01:58:57,920
Speaker 25: they jump into the deep end. If you choose to

2217
01:58:57,960 --> 01:59:00,840
Speaker 25: go that route, because I'm not saying you should worry

2218
01:59:00,840 --> 01:59:03,000
Speaker 25: about more advanced threats, I'm just saying you have to

2219
01:59:03,000 --> 01:59:06,240
Speaker 25: start here. So before you can figure out how to

2220
01:59:06,360 --> 01:59:09,400
Speaker 25: mitigate a risk, you have to nail down what that

2221
01:59:09,560 --> 01:59:13,480
Speaker 25: risk actually is, what is the outcome that you're hoping

2222
01:59:13,520 --> 01:59:16,640
Speaker 25: to avoid. There's a lot of anxiety right now about

2223
01:59:17,000 --> 01:59:21,280
Speaker 25: unknowable possibilities, and it's really easy to get overwhelmed with

2224
01:59:21,400 --> 01:59:25,080
Speaker 25: the what ifs of a worst case scenario and then

2225
01:59:25,120 --> 01:59:29,480
Speaker 25: you just end up feeling really helpless. And look, yeah,

2226
01:59:29,560 --> 01:59:32,640
Speaker 25: there are some potential threats here that I don't have

2227
01:59:32,720 --> 01:59:35,760
Speaker 25: the tools to help you address, But that doesn't mean

2228
01:59:35,760 --> 01:59:38,320
Speaker 25: you shouldn't be taking the steps that are within your

2229
01:59:38,320 --> 01:59:41,080
Speaker 25: control right now. You have to fight off that feeling

2230
01:59:41,080 --> 01:59:44,760
Speaker 25: of helplessness. So what we're talking about here is threat modeling.

2231
01:59:45,240 --> 01:59:47,280
Speaker 25: It gave a little workshop a few months ago about

2232
01:59:47,280 --> 01:59:49,800
Speaker 25: digital security, and the first thing I asked the group

2233
01:59:50,000 --> 01:59:54,240
Speaker 25: was what is the bad thing that you were worried

2234
01:59:54,440 --> 01:59:58,320
Speaker 25: will happen? And most people's answer to that was they're

2235
01:59:58,320 --> 02:00:02,040
Speaker 25: worried about getting doxed. Okay, that's that's fair, that's a

2236
02:00:02,120 --> 02:00:05,640
Speaker 25: valid fear, But what do you mean by that? What

2237
02:00:05,920 --> 02:00:09,360
Speaker 25: specifically is the piece of information you are worried someone

2238
02:00:09,360 --> 02:00:14,120
Speaker 25: will discover? Is it your name, your address where you work?

2239
02:00:15,040 --> 02:00:17,960
Speaker 25: Is it connecting two pieces of your online identity that

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Speaker 25: you thought were separate. Docxing can mean a lot of

2241
02:00:21,880 --> 02:00:25,040
Speaker 25: things to different people at a different contexts, and it

2242
02:00:25,040 --> 02:00:28,240
Speaker 25: can happen in degrees. Right, Like you know my full

2243
02:00:28,320 --> 02:00:32,720
Speaker 25: legal name. I'm you know, dosed to whatever extent that

2244
02:00:32,800 --> 02:00:35,920
Speaker 25: means anything. But this could still happen to me. Someone

2245
02:00:36,040 --> 02:00:38,680
Speaker 25: could still discover a piece of information about me that

2246
02:00:39,160 --> 02:00:43,200
Speaker 25: I wish they didn't have. And most people can't become

2247
02:00:43,360 --> 02:00:47,400
Speaker 25: completely anonymous. I can't help you do that, and honestly,

2248
02:00:47,720 --> 02:00:52,600
Speaker 25: I don't think that should be most people's goals. Don't disappear.

2249
02:00:53,400 --> 02:00:55,960
Speaker 25: I'm not telling you you should disappear. This is just

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Speaker 25: about figuring out what makes sense for you and what

2251
02:00:59,120 --> 02:01:02,160
Speaker 25: you can do to nap gate the landscape that you've

2252
02:01:02,240 --> 02:01:16,320
Speaker 25: chosen to operate in. So, what is the actual negative

2253
02:01:16,360 --> 02:01:20,880
Speaker 25: outcome specifically that is making you feel afraid? What is

2254
02:01:20,920 --> 02:01:23,640
Speaker 25: the concrete thing that you are thinking about when you

2255
02:01:23,720 --> 02:01:27,040
Speaker 25: experience that fear. And people's answers tend to be that

2256
02:01:27,200 --> 02:01:30,919
Speaker 25: they're worried about getting harassed, They're worried about their physical safety,

2257
02:01:31,280 --> 02:01:34,080
Speaker 25: They're worried about negative fallout at work or at school.

2258
02:01:34,880 --> 02:01:38,120
Speaker 25: People's fears tend to be about things like getting arrested,

2259
02:01:38,360 --> 02:01:44,520
Speaker 25: getting sued, getting fired, getting hurt, and getting embarrassed. And

2260
02:01:44,560 --> 02:01:47,360
Speaker 25: so the next question is can you identify the potential

2261
02:01:47,480 --> 02:01:50,760
Speaker 25: sources for the kinds of harm you're worried about, and

2262
02:01:50,800 --> 02:01:53,720
Speaker 25: you can sort these into a few primary categories. The

2263
02:01:53,800 --> 02:01:57,360
Speaker 25: state can harm you. That's the police, the government. You

2264
02:01:57,360 --> 02:02:00,840
Speaker 25: can get charged with a crime. Institutions can harm you.

2265
02:02:01,600 --> 02:02:03,839
Speaker 25: If you're a student, you can get in trouble at school,

2266
02:02:03,920 --> 02:02:06,280
Speaker 25: If you have some kind of professional license, people could

2267
02:02:06,280 --> 02:02:10,600
Speaker 25: file complaints against you. Politicians and organized political groups can

2268
02:02:10,640 --> 02:02:13,480
Speaker 25: harm you. You know, Marjorie Taylor Green might tweet your

2269
02:02:13,520 --> 02:02:17,000
Speaker 25: TikTok video or Canary Mission might do a blog post

2270
02:02:17,040 --> 02:02:20,520
Speaker 25: about where you work. And right wing groups can harm you.

2271
02:02:20,520 --> 02:02:24,080
Speaker 25: You might get targeted harassment from some Nazi telegram channel.

2272
02:02:24,680 --> 02:02:27,959
Speaker 25: Worst case scenario, maybe you were physically threatened or attacked

2273
02:02:28,000 --> 02:02:32,040
Speaker 25: by an extremist group. You could get swatted. And then

2274
02:02:32,080 --> 02:02:35,320
Speaker 25: there's just this sort of wild card of the random

2275
02:02:35,360 --> 02:02:39,080
Speaker 25: strangers and Internet mobs and the way they factor into

2276
02:02:39,160 --> 02:02:43,120
Speaker 25: and exacerbate all of the above scenarios. When it comes

2277
02:02:43,160 --> 02:02:46,160
Speaker 25: to harm from the state, that's beyond what we're talking

2278
02:02:46,160 --> 02:02:50,600
Speaker 25: about with this digital hand washing metaphor. A lot of

2279
02:02:50,600 --> 02:02:53,480
Speaker 25: the prevention steps you can take today are still going

2280
02:02:53,520 --> 02:02:55,880
Speaker 25: to help you. They're still worth taking. But at the

2281
02:02:55,920 --> 02:02:58,160
Speaker 25: end of the day, if the government wants to know

2282
02:02:58,200 --> 02:03:00,360
Speaker 25: who runs a Twitter account, who drove to a protest,

2283
02:03:00,400 --> 02:03:04,160
Speaker 25: who supported a movement, who donated money. That's beyond the basics.

2284
02:03:04,720 --> 02:03:07,560
Speaker 25: Most of what I have direct experience with are just

2285
02:03:07,640 --> 02:03:10,760
Speaker 25: these basic measures that you can take to day to

2286
02:03:10,840 --> 02:03:13,880
Speaker 25: make it a little bit harder for the average weird

2287
02:03:13,880 --> 02:03:17,200
Speaker 25: little guy to get into your business. It'll stop the

2288
02:03:17,240 --> 02:03:21,120
Speaker 25: average online troll, it'll slow down a decent sleuth, but

2289
02:03:21,160 --> 02:03:22,760
Speaker 25: it's not the kind of stuff that stops a guy

2290
02:03:22,760 --> 02:03:27,480
Speaker 25: with a warrant. Think of protecting your online identity like

2291
02:03:27,560 --> 02:03:32,120
Speaker 25: being inside your house. If you have no curtains, someone

2292
02:03:32,200 --> 02:03:35,080
Speaker 25: walking down the street can see you, even if they

2293
02:03:35,600 --> 02:03:38,120
Speaker 25: didn't go out of their way to look. If you're

2294
02:03:38,120 --> 02:03:41,120
Speaker 25: putting everything out there with no thought to digital security,

2295
02:03:41,720 --> 02:03:44,120
Speaker 25: somebody could dox se you without even trying, just like

2296
02:03:44,200 --> 02:03:46,200
Speaker 25: they would be able to see and through your windows

2297
02:03:46,200 --> 02:03:49,280
Speaker 25: from the street. Somebody who is a little more curious

2298
02:03:49,320 --> 02:03:52,520
Speaker 25: about you might walk into your yard. But if you

2299
02:03:52,560 --> 02:03:56,000
Speaker 25: put up a fence, maybe that person will decide this

2300
02:03:56,040 --> 02:03:59,360
Speaker 25: isn't really worth my time. Somebody who loves peeping in

2301
02:03:59,400 --> 02:04:02,920
Speaker 25: windows really wants to see you. He's gonna hop your fence, right.

2302
02:04:03,680 --> 02:04:07,760
Speaker 25: But the average troll will see these barriers and they'll

2303
02:04:07,760 --> 02:04:11,480
Speaker 25: get bored. But again, curtains, a fence, a locked door,

2304
02:04:11,520 --> 02:04:14,000
Speaker 25: a guard dog. These don't stop a guy with a warrant.

2305
02:04:14,520 --> 02:04:17,960
Speaker 25: So we're talking about just putting up barriers that slow

2306
02:04:18,040 --> 02:04:23,200
Speaker 25: down and discourage the average low to mid level weirdo.

2307
02:04:23,600 --> 02:04:26,840
Speaker 25: In short, do let your Facebook set your accounts to private,

2308
02:04:27,240 --> 02:04:30,880
Speaker 25: you signal, put a pass code on your phone, say less,

2309
02:04:31,520 --> 02:04:34,920
Speaker 25: and try to do something about the data brokers. Let's

2310
02:04:34,920 --> 02:04:37,760
Speaker 25: break these down one at a time. I'm sure it's

2311
02:04:37,760 --> 02:04:40,200
Speaker 25: been talked about on this show before, but I tell

2312
02:04:40,240 --> 02:04:44,839
Speaker 25: everyone in my life download Signal. Download Signal. It's free,

2313
02:04:44,960 --> 02:04:48,200
Speaker 25: put it on your phone. It's just an encrypted messaging app,

2314
02:04:48,640 --> 02:04:51,320
Speaker 25: and I use it by default, pretty much exclusively in

2315
02:04:51,360 --> 02:04:53,880
Speaker 25: place of regular texting, just because it's easier for me

2316
02:04:53,920 --> 02:04:56,600
Speaker 25: to have everything in one place. It doesn't collect or

2317
02:04:56,640 --> 02:04:59,080
Speaker 25: store your metadata, it doesn't back up to the cloud,

2318
02:04:59,240 --> 02:05:01,880
Speaker 25: and you can set all of your conversations to automatically

2319
02:05:01,920 --> 02:05:06,920
Speaker 25: disappear at whatever time interval you choose. You don't need

2320
02:05:07,400 --> 02:05:08,800
Speaker 25: text messages from a year ago.

2321
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Speaker 2: You don't.

2322
02:05:09,440 --> 02:05:11,840
Speaker 25: Those can never help you, They can only hurt you.

2323
02:05:11,960 --> 02:05:15,760
Speaker 25: Just let them go and turn off the biometric unlock

2324
02:05:15,840 --> 02:05:19,000
Speaker 25: on your phone. Whether that's a fingerprint or a face ID.

2325
02:05:19,800 --> 02:05:23,440
Speaker 25: Turn it off, turn it off. Set a passcode. If

2326
02:05:23,440 --> 02:05:25,240
Speaker 25: you get arrested and you have your phone on you,

2327
02:05:26,120 --> 02:05:28,560
Speaker 25: they can use your finger or your face to unlock

2328
02:05:28,600 --> 02:05:31,720
Speaker 25: it without a warrant. But if you have a passcode,

2329
02:05:32,120 --> 02:05:34,840
Speaker 25: you're a little bit safer. So set a pass code

2330
02:05:34,840 --> 02:05:37,480
Speaker 25: that's at least six digits long longer if you can

2331
02:05:37,520 --> 02:05:40,520
Speaker 25: bear it, I know. But when it comes to social media,

2332
02:05:40,920 --> 02:05:43,360
Speaker 25: you have some choices. You may look at your own

2333
02:05:43,440 --> 02:05:46,480
Speaker 25: threat model and say, why don't care if everyone can

2334
02:05:46,480 --> 02:05:49,600
Speaker 25: see what I've posted? And that's okay, right. We all

2335
02:05:49,640 --> 02:05:53,600
Speaker 25: have different goals and vulnerabilities. And if you're a very

2336
02:05:53,640 --> 02:05:58,440
Speaker 25: public organizer, then yeah, you need public social media. But

2337
02:05:58,440 --> 02:06:01,560
Speaker 25: if you've been using Facebook for two twenty years, you

2338
02:06:01,640 --> 02:06:05,480
Speaker 25: probably weren't always very careful about what was on there.

2339
02:06:05,960 --> 02:06:08,760
Speaker 25: And there are privacy settings now where you can retroactively

2340
02:06:08,840 --> 02:06:11,520
Speaker 25: set all of your old posts to a new privacy settings.

2341
02:06:11,840 --> 02:06:14,160
Speaker 25: You should do that start there if you haven't done that,

2342
02:06:15,200 --> 02:06:19,440
Speaker 25: but that still leaves a lot of digital debris. If

2343
02:06:19,480 --> 02:06:22,160
Speaker 25: you've changed your display name to something more private in

2344
02:06:22,200 --> 02:06:25,880
Speaker 25: recent years, something that isn't your current legal name, old

2345
02:06:26,000 --> 02:06:30,200
Speaker 25: posts that other people made about you still have your

2346
02:06:30,200 --> 02:06:32,880
Speaker 25: old name in them. So if they tagged you ten

2347
02:06:32,960 --> 02:06:36,760
Speaker 25: years ago, that old name is still a link to

2348
02:06:36,840 --> 02:06:40,520
Speaker 25: your current profile, and you can't control the content that

2349
02:06:40,560 --> 02:06:43,960
Speaker 25: your friends and family posted years ago. And on the

2350
02:06:43,960 --> 02:06:47,560
Speaker 25: flip side, if in the end you decide you don't

2351
02:06:47,640 --> 02:06:51,160
Speaker 25: care what's on your Facebook about you, when you're doing

2352
02:06:51,240 --> 02:06:55,360
Speaker 25: your threat modeling, consider the people close to you, because

2353
02:06:55,360 --> 02:06:57,880
Speaker 25: when I'm working at this from the other side, a

2354
02:06:57,920 --> 02:07:00,480
Speaker 25: lot of times I'll find that, you know, the guy

2355
02:07:00,520 --> 02:07:02,840
Speaker 25: that I'm looking for has done a pretty good job

2356
02:07:03,360 --> 02:07:07,600
Speaker 25: cleaning up his own digital presence, but his wife, his mom,

2357
02:07:07,760 --> 02:07:12,200
Speaker 25: his sister, someone in his life as not. So if

2358
02:07:12,200 --> 02:07:14,520
Speaker 25: there's someone in your life who maybe is at greater

2359
02:07:14,640 --> 02:07:18,440
Speaker 25: risk than you are, don't be their weak spot. And

2360
02:07:18,480 --> 02:07:21,040
Speaker 25: if you're in a position to do so, talk to

2361
02:07:21,080 --> 02:07:24,600
Speaker 25: the people in your life about this. Have these conversations

2362
02:07:24,640 --> 02:07:28,160
Speaker 25: about what are our risks, what are our goals. Let's

2363
02:07:28,200 --> 02:07:32,200
Speaker 25: do a digital hygiene tech together, because you can build

2364
02:07:32,200 --> 02:07:35,440
Speaker 25: an impenetrable digital fortress around yourself. But if you're aunt

2365
02:07:35,520 --> 02:07:38,560
Speaker 25: Kathy is live streaming your baby shower, that didn't do

2366
02:07:38,600 --> 02:07:39,160
Speaker 25: you much good.

2367
02:07:39,960 --> 02:07:40,680
Speaker 2: And now that more.

2368
02:07:40,520 --> 02:07:43,320
Speaker 25: People are talking about these kinds of concerns. You can

2369
02:07:43,360 --> 02:07:45,760
Speaker 25: try broaching the subject with people in your life that

2370
02:07:45,840 --> 02:07:48,280
Speaker 25: may not have been receptive to it a year ago.

2371
02:07:48,960 --> 02:07:51,080
Speaker 25: Show your mom how to set our Facebook to private.

2372
02:07:51,880 --> 02:07:55,480
Speaker 25: Take the time to explain to your less political siblings

2373
02:07:56,160 --> 02:07:59,200
Speaker 25: why they should think about the ways in which their

2374
02:07:59,280 --> 02:08:03,240
Speaker 25: social media use might expose someone they care about. Don't

2375
02:08:03,280 --> 02:08:06,720
Speaker 25: just scold them or you say it's reckless that you're

2376
02:08:06,760 --> 02:08:20,600
Speaker 25: doing this, talk about why so when it comes to

2377
02:08:20,600 --> 02:08:24,640
Speaker 25: social media, I'm saying delete your Facebook as a sort

2378
02:08:24,680 --> 02:08:29,720
Speaker 25: of shorthand for the general cleanup of the stuff that

2379
02:08:29,760 --> 02:08:33,680
Speaker 25: you've left online for the last twenty years. Cleaning up

2380
02:08:33,680 --> 02:08:36,480
Speaker 25: your online presence is the number one thing you can

2381
02:08:36,560 --> 02:08:41,280
Speaker 25: do right now to thwart the bizarro universe version of

2382
02:08:41,320 --> 02:08:43,800
Speaker 25: me who is trying to collect every piece of information

2383
02:08:43,840 --> 02:08:47,800
Speaker 25: about you. Because even if you're careful today, even if

2384
02:08:47,800 --> 02:08:51,240
Speaker 25: you're so smart about it now and you're not putting

2385
02:08:51,280 --> 02:08:54,400
Speaker 25: anything online that puts you at risk, you weren't always

2386
02:08:54,440 --> 02:08:57,640
Speaker 25: that careful. We're all guilty of it. People who've been

2387
02:08:57,680 --> 02:08:59,720
Speaker 25: doing this for a long time, people who know better,

2388
02:09:00,120 --> 02:09:03,960
Speaker 25: We're all guilty of being a little messy online. It's okay,

2389
02:09:04,280 --> 02:09:07,240
Speaker 25: there's no shame that you didn't know before. Don't feel silly,

2390
02:09:07,240 --> 02:09:11,440
Speaker 25: don't feel guilty. Just start cleaning it up today and

2391
02:09:11,480 --> 02:09:13,800
Speaker 25: so to figure out what exactly you might have been

2392
02:09:13,880 --> 02:09:16,480
Speaker 25: leaving out in the open, one thing you can try

2393
02:09:16,680 --> 02:09:20,480
Speaker 25: is doxing yourself, or do it with a friend, right,

2394
02:09:20,520 --> 02:09:24,440
Speaker 25: try doxing each other. So start with a completely clean cash,

2395
02:09:24,440 --> 02:09:28,320
Speaker 25: do your cookies whatever, Open an incognito browser, Start with

2396
02:09:28,360 --> 02:09:32,120
Speaker 25: a blank slate, and just google yourself. Google your name,

2397
02:09:32,560 --> 02:09:36,760
Speaker 25: your address, your phone number. Google the usernames that you

2398
02:09:36,800 --> 02:09:40,880
Speaker 25: currently use on various sites. But google the username you

2399
02:09:40,960 --> 02:09:44,800
Speaker 25: used in high school. Google your old aim handle, Google

2400
02:09:44,840 --> 02:09:46,919
Speaker 25: the email address you made when you were twelve.

2401
02:09:47,640 --> 02:09:48,360
Speaker 4: What comes up?

2402
02:09:49,120 --> 02:09:53,640
Speaker 25: And is that information you want everybody to have? Probably not.

2403
02:09:54,600 --> 02:09:58,360
Speaker 25: Start by deleting accounts you don't use anymore. Just wipe

2404
02:09:58,400 --> 02:10:02,000
Speaker 25: those bad boys right out. Don't need those. A lot

2405
02:10:02,000 --> 02:10:04,360
Speaker 25: of people have no idea that the ghost of their

2406
02:10:04,400 --> 02:10:09,480
Speaker 25: old MySpace page still exists online. I've actually used that

2407
02:10:09,520 --> 02:10:12,839
Speaker 25: one fairly recently to confirm the details about a person's

2408
02:10:12,920 --> 02:10:17,320
Speaker 25: close associates and family members. They hadn't logged into MySpace

2409
02:10:17,360 --> 02:10:21,280
Speaker 25: since twenty ten. But your top eight lives forever. So

2410
02:10:21,600 --> 02:10:24,920
Speaker 25: delete or set to privates any account that you don't use,

2411
02:10:25,080 --> 02:10:27,919
Speaker 25: don't need, or just don't need to be public facing.

2412
02:10:28,880 --> 02:10:32,960
Speaker 25: Log into every social media site, every forum, every online

2413
02:10:33,000 --> 02:10:36,240
Speaker 25: store where you've ever created an account, and just look

2414
02:10:36,240 --> 02:10:40,200
Speaker 25: at what's visible. Your online reviews may contain information about

2415
02:10:40,200 --> 02:10:43,800
Speaker 25: where you live. Your profile on some forum you posted

2416
02:10:43,840 --> 02:10:46,320
Speaker 25: on in twenty twelve probably has your birthday on it.

2417
02:10:46,760 --> 02:10:49,760
Speaker 25: And if you're an active Pinterest user, your Pinterest boards

2418
02:10:49,800 --> 02:10:53,360
Speaker 25: are probably revealing a lot more information about you than

2419
02:10:53,400 --> 02:10:56,960
Speaker 25: you realize, information about your family, your interests, your plans

2420
02:10:56,960 --> 02:10:59,960
Speaker 25: for the future. People will make Pinterest boards with names

2421
02:11:00,240 --> 02:11:04,840
Speaker 25: like Jaden's second birthday, and now I know that you

2422
02:11:04,920 --> 02:11:07,440
Speaker 25: have a son named Jaden whose second birthday party you

2423
02:11:07,480 --> 02:11:11,680
Speaker 25: were planning last July. That's a real example. So set

2424
02:11:11,680 --> 02:11:14,640
Speaker 25: these things to private. Change your profile picture to something

2425
02:11:14,680 --> 02:11:17,880
Speaker 25: that isn't your face. Look at your username. Did you

2426
02:11:17,920 --> 02:11:19,520
Speaker 25: have to put some numbers at the end of that

2427
02:11:19,680 --> 02:11:22,400
Speaker 25: because the one you wanted was taken? Are those numbers

2428
02:11:22,400 --> 02:11:26,800
Speaker 25: your birthday? And vary your usernames a little bit. Unless

2429
02:11:26,840 --> 02:11:29,440
Speaker 25: you have some kind of professional reason for using a

2430
02:11:29,480 --> 02:11:34,520
Speaker 25: personal brand across every platform, don't use the same username everywhere.

2431
02:11:34,960 --> 02:11:38,880
Speaker 25: Keep separate areas of your life separate. Don't make it

2432
02:11:38,920 --> 02:11:41,640
Speaker 25: any easier than it needs to be to connect these

2433
02:11:41,680 --> 02:11:46,200
Speaker 25: different pieces of your digital footprint into one picture of

2434
02:11:46,240 --> 02:11:49,720
Speaker 25: who you are. Because again I'm not talking about becoming

2435
02:11:49,800 --> 02:11:54,560
Speaker 25: completely anonymous online. A lot of people need to exist

2436
02:11:54,800 --> 02:11:57,680
Speaker 25: online as the person that they are. You have a LinkedIn,

2437
02:11:57,840 --> 02:12:01,040
Speaker 25: you do public facing organized. I'm not saying you need

2438
02:12:01,080 --> 02:12:05,120
Speaker 25: to disappear from online, but if you have accounts that

2439
02:12:05,160 --> 02:12:07,200
Speaker 25: you don't want connected back to.

2440
02:12:07,240 --> 02:12:08,240
Speaker 4: Your true identity.

2441
02:12:08,320 --> 02:12:10,880
Speaker 25: If there are pieces of you that exist that you

2442
02:12:10,920 --> 02:12:15,120
Speaker 25: don't want side by side, don't connect them. So if

2443
02:12:15,200 --> 02:12:19,080
Speaker 25: you anonymously run a social media account for an activist group,

2444
02:12:19,560 --> 02:12:23,000
Speaker 25: don't use it to follow your own real account. Don't

2445
02:12:23,080 --> 02:12:26,040
Speaker 25: like your boyfriend's posts when you're logged into your anarchist

2446
02:12:26,040 --> 02:12:29,160
Speaker 25: shit posting account if you don't want it connected to you,

2447
02:12:29,640 --> 02:12:33,600
Speaker 25: don't create overlap. If you post a screenshot from one

2448
02:12:33,640 --> 02:12:36,440
Speaker 25: social media platform onto another, you know, a screenshot of

2449
02:12:36,440 --> 02:12:40,200
Speaker 25: a tweet on your Instagram, whatever, be mindful of what's

2450
02:12:40,280 --> 02:12:43,040
Speaker 25: in that image. Is there a thumbnail of your own

2451
02:12:43,040 --> 02:12:46,320
Speaker 25: profile picture in there? Does the screenshot show that you

2452
02:12:46,360 --> 02:12:50,040
Speaker 25: interacted with that post? Because a filled in heart on

2453
02:12:50,080 --> 02:12:53,640
Speaker 25: an Instagram screenshot is something I have used as a

2454
02:12:53,640 --> 02:12:57,080
Speaker 25: building block for a docs. And maybe you've never posted

2455
02:12:57,120 --> 02:13:01,040
Speaker 25: anything identifiable on Twitter, but if you're a link to

2456
02:13:01,120 --> 02:13:04,240
Speaker 25: your Twitter account on Reddit, or are you in a

2457
02:13:04,240 --> 02:13:06,640
Speaker 25: big discord and you shared one of your own posts

2458
02:13:06,640 --> 02:13:08,560
Speaker 25: with your friends in there, like hey look at this

2459
02:13:08,640 --> 02:13:11,560
Speaker 25: bangor tweet I'm going viral. And I say both of

2460
02:13:11,560 --> 02:13:15,160
Speaker 25: those specifically because both of those are specific mistakes that

2461
02:13:15,240 --> 02:13:18,120
Speaker 25: I have seen people make that were for me a

2462
02:13:18,240 --> 02:13:22,320
Speaker 25: crucial link between two accounts that connected the dots to

2463
02:13:22,320 --> 02:13:26,200
Speaker 25: figure out who they were. Use two factor authentication, use

2464
02:13:26,240 --> 02:13:30,160
Speaker 25: a password manager, use complex passwords, never recycle a password.

2465
02:13:30,960 --> 02:13:34,120
Speaker 25: Check databases like have I been poned? See what's been

2466
02:13:34,200 --> 02:13:37,160
Speaker 25: leaked about you? And some of that data is out

2467
02:13:37,160 --> 02:13:39,960
Speaker 25: of your control now, but it's out there and you

2468
02:13:40,000 --> 02:13:42,760
Speaker 25: can't call it back. But you can change all of

2469
02:13:42,800 --> 02:13:46,080
Speaker 25: your passwords today. You can download a password manager and

2470
02:13:46,200 --> 02:13:48,640
Speaker 25: change all of your passwords today, and all of your

2471
02:13:48,680 --> 02:13:51,200
Speaker 25: passwords should be something different from one another. I'm going

2472
02:13:51,240 --> 02:13:54,480
Speaker 25: to say it again, change all your passwords. Stop using

2473
02:13:54,480 --> 02:13:58,400
Speaker 25: your dog's name as your password for everything. It was hard,

2474
02:13:58,560 --> 02:14:01,800
Speaker 25: but I did it, okay. And when you're doing this

2475
02:14:01,880 --> 02:14:05,080
Speaker 25: digital hygiene check, you know you're googling yourself, you're checking

2476
02:14:05,120 --> 02:14:08,240
Speaker 25: these breach databases. One of the things you're going to

2477
02:14:08,280 --> 02:14:12,800
Speaker 25: find is your address, your email address, and your phone number,

2478
02:14:13,040 --> 02:14:16,440
Speaker 25: and your parents' names and your parents' address. All of

2479
02:14:16,480 --> 02:14:19,480
Speaker 25: these pieces of what you thought were personal private information.

2480
02:14:20,280 --> 02:14:23,520
Speaker 25: They are bought and sold to data brokers, and these

2481
02:14:23,600 --> 02:14:26,480
Speaker 25: data brokers put them online on sites that people can

2482
02:14:26,560 --> 02:14:30,960
Speaker 25: pay to access. Feel like people Finder, True people Search,

2483
02:14:31,120 --> 02:14:33,720
Speaker 25: White Pages. There's hundreds of them.

2484
02:14:34,240 --> 02:14:34,520
Speaker 17: Now.

2485
02:14:34,760 --> 02:14:37,360
Speaker 25: By law, all of these sites have to have a

2486
02:14:37,400 --> 02:14:39,720
Speaker 25: link on them somewhere where you can ask them to

2487
02:14:39,760 --> 02:14:42,960
Speaker 25: delete your information. Some of them make it kind of hard,

2488
02:14:43,360 --> 02:14:45,600
Speaker 25: and it may take weeks for them to actually honor

2489
02:14:45,600 --> 02:14:49,240
Speaker 25: the request, and you may have to follow up. But theoretically,

2490
02:14:49,920 --> 02:14:53,840
Speaker 25: if they're operating legally, you do have the ability to

2491
02:14:54,080 --> 02:14:57,880
Speaker 25: manually clean up how much of your personal information comes

2492
02:14:57,920 --> 02:15:01,000
Speaker 25: up from these data brokers. But I'll be honest with you,

2493
02:15:01,800 --> 02:15:05,160
Speaker 25: it's whack a mole. You could spend one afternoon a

2494
02:15:05,160 --> 02:15:07,360
Speaker 25: week for the rest of your life making opt out

2495
02:15:07,360 --> 02:15:09,720
Speaker 25: requests and following up on them and checking back to

2496
02:15:09,760 --> 02:15:10,879
Speaker 25: make sure it's really gone.

2497
02:15:11,280 --> 02:15:12,240
Speaker 4: You can do that.

2498
02:15:12,800 --> 02:15:13,680
Speaker 2: I used to do that.

2499
02:15:14,320 --> 02:15:16,320
Speaker 25: But there are also services that will do it for

2500
02:15:16,360 --> 02:15:18,560
Speaker 25: you for a fee. I think there may be an

2501
02:15:18,600 --> 02:15:22,080
Speaker 25: episode in the pipeline examining that particular ecosystem and some

2502
02:15:22,120 --> 02:15:24,640
Speaker 25: more details. So I won't go into the pros and

2503
02:15:24,680 --> 02:15:27,720
Speaker 25: cons of different services that exist, but if that's something

2504
02:15:27,760 --> 02:15:30,920
Speaker 25: you're interested in paying for, do some research about it

2505
02:15:30,920 --> 02:15:33,880
Speaker 25: before you put your money down. But at the end

2506
02:15:33,920 --> 02:15:36,640
Speaker 25: of the day, I just want you to remember you

2507
02:15:36,720 --> 02:15:40,680
Speaker 25: can't solve this whole problem. That might sound like a

2508
02:15:40,680 --> 02:15:44,760
Speaker 25: defeatist message, but I think it's healthy. I'm not saying

2509
02:15:44,880 --> 02:15:48,560
Speaker 25: it's hopeless. I'm saying you have to spend your energy

2510
02:15:48,600 --> 02:15:51,720
Speaker 25: where it counts. People ask me all the time, you know,

2511
02:15:51,800 --> 02:15:54,440
Speaker 25: are you worried about this or that specific threat? And

2512
02:15:55,120 --> 02:15:58,320
Speaker 25: the answer is yeah, probably, Yeah, of course I'm worried.

2513
02:15:59,200 --> 02:16:02,440
Speaker 25: But you can't let that fear overwhelmed you. You know,

2514
02:16:02,520 --> 02:16:05,040
Speaker 25: if I get fixated on the existence of threats that

2515
02:16:05,440 --> 02:16:09,640
Speaker 25: are outside of my control, I'll just freak out, and

2516
02:16:09,640 --> 02:16:12,720
Speaker 25: that makes me less capable of focusing on mitigating the

2517
02:16:12,760 --> 02:16:17,120
Speaker 25: threats that are within my control. So don't put blinders on,

2518
02:16:17,200 --> 02:16:20,800
Speaker 25: don't lie to yourself. You know, be realistic, but don't

2519
02:16:20,800 --> 02:16:23,520
Speaker 25: wear yourself out worrying about things that are so far

2520
02:16:23,560 --> 02:16:26,040
Speaker 25: out of your control that all you have is fear.

2521
02:16:27,080 --> 02:16:32,440
Speaker 25: So today, now take a deep breath, delete your MySpace

2522
02:16:32,440 --> 02:16:35,600
Speaker 25: account and talk to your mom about setting all her

2523
02:16:35,600 --> 02:16:37,360
Speaker 25: old Facebook pictures to private.

2524
02:16:57,879 --> 02:17:01,640
Speaker 1: What's pew pew in my pew ows? This is Robert

2525
02:17:01,680 --> 02:17:04,959
Speaker 1: Evans and it could happen here? A podcast about it

2526
02:17:05,080 --> 02:17:08,360
Speaker 1: happening here? As it seems to be more every week

2527
02:17:08,760 --> 02:17:11,360
Speaker 1: and when things get worse, one thing that a lot

2528
02:17:11,360 --> 02:17:14,119
Speaker 1: of folks start talking about is should I buy a gun?

2529
02:17:14,360 --> 02:17:17,440
Speaker 1: And obviously this is a fraught question and the only

2530
02:17:17,480 --> 02:17:20,360
Speaker 1: responsible answers to it are very complicated. And so to

2531
02:17:20,400 --> 02:17:24,360
Speaker 1: talk over some very complicated answers, we've got James Stout

2532
02:17:25,000 --> 02:17:27,800
Speaker 1: and we have in the audience with us the great

2533
02:17:27,879 --> 02:17:31,520
Speaker 1: Carl Casarta, Carl of en Range TV. Thank you for

2534
02:17:31,600 --> 02:17:35,680
Speaker 1: coming on to be our resident firearms expert in this

2535
02:17:35,760 --> 02:17:38,720
Speaker 1: podcast where we try not to be deeply irresponsible.

2536
02:17:38,920 --> 02:17:40,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for having me on.

2537
02:17:40,200 --> 02:17:42,199
Speaker 9: It's always a pleasure to come back to the show,

2538
02:17:42,360 --> 02:17:45,040
Speaker 9: and people always ask for more collabs, and here we are,

2539
02:17:45,080 --> 02:17:47,800
Speaker 9: but on a very important topic. And yes, Billy courtion

2540
02:17:47,840 --> 02:17:49,120
Speaker 9: I have is now is when do you change the

2541
02:17:49,200 --> 02:17:50,160
Speaker 9: name of the podcast too?

2542
02:17:50,200 --> 02:17:50,360
Speaker 19: Oh?

2543
02:17:50,400 --> 02:17:54,400
Speaker 1: No, it's happening here. We're talking with the marketing people.

2544
02:17:55,040 --> 02:17:56,160
Speaker 1: It done happened here.

2545
02:17:57,720 --> 02:18:00,880
Speaker 5: Oh shit, it's happening again. It's been happening here.

2546
02:18:01,480 --> 02:18:05,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, here, it is here now right in this moment.

2547
02:18:06,760 --> 02:18:08,080
Speaker 2: Be here now it.

2548
02:18:09,360 --> 02:18:11,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, we got to work out which one seo's best.

2549
02:18:11,680 --> 02:18:14,320
Speaker 5: But we're on it, Carl, don't worry. We're working on it,

2550
02:18:14,800 --> 02:18:16,640
Speaker 5: so as I think both of you know, but maybe

2551
02:18:16,640 --> 02:18:20,280
Speaker 5: listeners don't. Gun sales typically saw before elections as to

2552
02:18:20,440 --> 02:18:24,360
Speaker 5: ammunition purchases. People are afraid of gun bands has been

2553
02:18:24,360 --> 02:18:28,240
Speaker 5: traditionally one reason why, and the firearms industry is not

2554
02:18:28,280 --> 02:18:31,480
Speaker 5: afraid of hyping those up to increase sales in election years,

2555
02:18:31,640 --> 02:18:35,240
Speaker 5: and normally prices increase in line with demand. Like if

2556
02:18:35,240 --> 02:18:37,040
Speaker 5: you go back to November twenty twenty and look at

2557
02:18:37,080 --> 02:18:39,520
Speaker 5: the prices of ammunition and guns compared to now, you'll

2558
02:18:39,560 --> 02:18:42,240
Speaker 5: see how much incredibly high they were. That was for

2559
02:18:42,240 --> 02:18:45,480
Speaker 5: a number of reasons. But considering inflation, gun prices are

2560
02:18:45,520 --> 02:18:46,680
Speaker 5: pretty low right now.

2561
02:18:47,200 --> 02:18:50,200
Speaker 1: You know that is kind of a recurrent thing. For

2562
02:18:50,240 --> 02:18:54,160
Speaker 1: the most part, is that while everything else gets more expensive,

2563
02:18:54,240 --> 02:18:57,000
Speaker 1: television and firearms remain affordable.

2564
02:18:57,120 --> 02:19:00,320
Speaker 9: Yeah, gone gone to the point where they are more

2565
02:19:00,360 --> 02:19:03,240
Speaker 9: affordable than they've ever been. Uh huh, Yeah, they really

2566
02:19:03,240 --> 02:19:06,039
Speaker 9: are Air fifteens or I used to talk about this

2567
02:19:06,080 --> 02:19:09,039
Speaker 9: on air fifteens are essentially cord wood and you can

2568
02:19:09,080 --> 02:19:11,600
Speaker 9: get a fully fled good to go air fifteen now

2569
02:19:11,600 --> 02:19:13,880
Speaker 9: for like four to five hundred bucks, to the epistols

2570
02:19:13,879 --> 02:19:15,240
Speaker 9: for two hundred and fifty bucks.

2571
02:19:15,320 --> 02:19:17,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, the prices on guns are like through the floor.

2572
02:19:17,959 --> 02:19:21,160
Speaker 9: And yeah, it's interesting to note that, Like, if you

2573
02:19:21,200 --> 02:19:24,280
Speaker 9: are a gun manufacturer, a firearms dealer, even if you

2574
02:19:24,320 --> 02:19:27,320
Speaker 9: don't hype elections, it would be unintelligent of you to

2575
02:19:27,400 --> 02:19:30,360
Speaker 9: not prep for elections because they're so consistently Yeah, the

2576
02:19:30,480 --> 02:19:31,680
Speaker 9: Christmas of gun sales.

2577
02:19:31,720 --> 02:19:33,480
Speaker 2: So this is an instance in which we didn't see that.

2578
02:19:33,560 --> 02:19:34,680
Speaker 2: It's it's kind of interesting.

2579
02:19:34,879 --> 02:19:37,080
Speaker 1: I think there's an element because obviously when we talk

2580
02:19:37,280 --> 02:19:39,200
Speaker 1: I think to people who are not into guns and

2581
02:19:39,240 --> 02:19:41,960
Speaker 1: talk about how cheap guns have gotten, they're like, well,

2582
02:19:41,959 --> 02:19:45,120
Speaker 1: that's very bad, and there's definitely downsides to that. But

2583
02:19:45,160 --> 02:19:47,400
Speaker 1: an upside of that is it does kind of suggest

2584
02:19:47,480 --> 02:19:51,440
Speaker 1: we are not seeing the degree of panicked hoarding for

2585
02:19:51,520 --> 02:19:54,119
Speaker 1: a civil war that we have seen at previous points

2586
02:19:54,160 --> 02:19:58,039
Speaker 1: when gun prices were not as as cratered and AMMO

2587
02:19:58,160 --> 02:20:01,120
Speaker 1: prices were a lot higher, and ammovilla the availability was

2588
02:20:01,120 --> 02:20:03,400
Speaker 1: a lot lower. Like in some ways that's kind of

2589
02:20:03,440 --> 02:20:04,800
Speaker 1: an optimistic sign.

2590
02:20:04,680 --> 02:20:06,640
Speaker 9: Yeah, or the dark side of that is the traditional

2591
02:20:06,840 --> 02:20:10,279
Speaker 9: prepper air quote is so saturated in guns and ammunition.

2592
02:20:09,920 --> 02:20:12,280
Speaker 2: Right, but they don't even need another one, right.

2593
02:20:12,440 --> 02:20:14,520
Speaker 1: Well, that's I think that is where a lot of

2594
02:20:14,560 --> 02:20:15,119
Speaker 1: people are.

2595
02:20:15,440 --> 02:20:15,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2596
02:20:17,040 --> 02:20:21,480
Speaker 5: Also, like capacity really increased in twenty twenty, and I

2597
02:20:21,480 --> 02:20:24,440
Speaker 5: think they've been pumping out Like it's interesting to look

2598
02:20:24,480 --> 02:20:26,600
Speaker 5: at like the cost of nine millimeters and five five

2599
02:20:26,680 --> 02:20:29,160
Speaker 5: six ammunition, which if you're not familiar, are like the

2600
02:20:29,200 --> 02:20:33,480
Speaker 5: most commonly used defensive ammunition rounds compared to more niche

2601
02:20:33,520 --> 02:20:36,360
Speaker 5: stuff like that hasn't gone down as much if you're

2602
02:20:36,400 --> 02:20:39,240
Speaker 5: trying to get three hundred wisdom or something.

2603
02:20:39,480 --> 02:20:41,280
Speaker 9: The funny thing that, yeah, five five six and nine

2604
02:20:41,320 --> 02:20:44,520
Speaker 9: milimeters both to defensively add well is just recreationally are

2605
02:20:44,560 --> 02:20:45,760
Speaker 9: the most common ammunition.

2606
02:20:45,959 --> 02:20:46,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, by far.

2607
02:20:47,320 --> 02:20:49,080
Speaker 9: And some of the weird old stuff I like to shoot,

2608
02:20:49,080 --> 02:20:51,800
Speaker 9: like percussion caps for percussion revolvers. You can't find that

2609
02:20:51,879 --> 02:20:54,000
Speaker 9: stuff to save your life. That's those through the roof

2610
02:20:54,040 --> 02:20:58,000
Speaker 9: and expensive. So yeah, they've literally just bunkered down. Cook

2611
02:20:58,520 --> 02:21:01,480
Speaker 9: intent there and are make five six a nine millimeters

2612
02:21:01,520 --> 02:21:02,360
Speaker 9: because that's where the.

2613
02:21:02,320 --> 02:21:03,920
Speaker 2: Demand is and will continue to be.

2614
02:21:04,160 --> 02:21:07,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can't find you can't see it. I have

2615
02:21:07,800 --> 02:21:09,879
Speaker 5: a little reloading set up here. I can't find shot

2616
02:21:09,879 --> 02:21:12,400
Speaker 5: gun primus or send powders anyway.

2617
02:21:12,520 --> 02:21:14,600
Speaker 1: Now, and this is going to be a problem because

2618
02:21:14,600 --> 02:21:17,199
Speaker 1: if we have another Cowboys and Aliens kind of situation,

2619
02:21:17,320 --> 02:21:18,879
Speaker 1: what are we going to use? You know, what is

2620
02:21:18,920 --> 02:21:21,800
Speaker 1: Harrison Ford going to use to save us? Anyway? Nobody

2621
02:21:21,840 --> 02:21:23,600
Speaker 1: saw that movie? Why am I making that joke?

2622
02:21:24,080 --> 02:21:27,840
Speaker 2: Let me know, I've got a good stashion. We're all

2623
02:21:27,840 --> 02:21:30,080
Speaker 2: going to be leaning heavily on carl.

2624
02:21:31,640 --> 02:21:32,920
Speaker 5: Call for all humanity.

2625
02:21:33,240 --> 02:21:34,960
Speaker 1: So I think we've gotten a little bit ahead of

2626
02:21:34,959 --> 02:21:37,040
Speaker 1: our skis here. We should we should start by talking,

2627
02:21:37,360 --> 02:21:39,600
Speaker 1: because again, I think we've all seen a lot of

2628
02:21:39,640 --> 02:21:41,400
Speaker 1: people being like, well, I guess I should get a

2629
02:21:41,440 --> 02:21:44,520
Speaker 1: gun now, as in the wake of Trump's victory. And

2630
02:21:44,600 --> 02:21:47,440
Speaker 1: I think the first caveat we should give everyone is like,

2631
02:21:47,600 --> 02:21:50,400
Speaker 1: if you are reacting in a way that is totally

2632
02:21:50,400 --> 02:21:53,400
Speaker 1: reasonable to this news being depressed, right, if you're somebody

2633
02:21:53,400 --> 02:21:57,240
Speaker 1: who deals with suicidal ideation, if you have been spiraling lately,

2634
02:21:57,320 --> 02:22:00,280
Speaker 1: if you have been thinking about self harm. If you

2635
02:22:00,320 --> 02:22:03,320
Speaker 1: are just not in a stable mental place, and especially

2636
02:22:03,360 --> 02:22:05,600
Speaker 1: if you have no experience with firearms and are not

2637
02:22:05,640 --> 02:22:08,760
Speaker 1: in a stable mental place, don't go rush to pick

2638
02:22:08,800 --> 02:22:11,880
Speaker 1: one up now. Look for one thing. I assure you

2639
02:22:11,920 --> 02:22:14,320
Speaker 1: they will be available in the future. They are not

2640
02:22:14,360 --> 02:22:16,440
Speaker 1: gonna get harder to buy.

2641
02:22:17,080 --> 02:22:18,920
Speaker 2: No, you know. It mights be of a line from

2642
02:22:18,959 --> 02:22:20,080
Speaker 2: the movie We.

2643
02:22:19,920 --> 02:22:22,200
Speaker 9: Were Soldiers, which is actually a pretty pretty good movie

2644
02:22:22,640 --> 02:22:24,480
Speaker 9: speaking oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a lot of fun.

2645
02:22:24,600 --> 02:22:25,840
Speaker 2: Not a Gibson.

2646
02:22:25,879 --> 02:22:27,840
Speaker 9: It was pretty good, And there's a scene where like

2647
02:22:27,840 --> 02:22:31,400
Speaker 9: the old hardened soldier from Korea World War two in

2648
02:22:31,440 --> 02:22:33,600
Speaker 9: Korea gets the Vietnam and he's like, he's just got

2649
02:22:33,600 --> 02:22:35,720
Speaker 9: a pistol, and like everyone's around him saying don't you

2650
02:22:35,720 --> 02:22:37,320
Speaker 9: want an M sixteen? He goes, don't worry, There'll be

2651
02:22:37,360 --> 02:22:39,800
Speaker 9: plenty of those laying around if I need one. So right,

2652
02:22:40,280 --> 02:22:41,720
Speaker 9: kind of that's where we're at in this country.

2653
02:22:41,760 --> 02:22:44,400
Speaker 2: Don't worry, There'll be plenty laying around if you need one. Yeah.

2654
02:22:44,480 --> 02:22:47,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, we are not entering a period where that's you know,

2655
02:22:47,680 --> 02:22:49,960
Speaker 1: I think there are some specific worries where there may

2656
02:22:49,959 --> 02:22:52,840
Speaker 1: be attempts to restrict specific groups from arming themselves. But

2657
02:22:52,920 --> 02:22:56,040
Speaker 1: even so, I wouldn't say that elevates it above a threat.

2658
02:22:56,120 --> 02:22:59,760
Speaker 1: If you are dealing with suicidal ideation, having a gun

2659
02:22:59,879 --> 02:23:03,320
Speaker 1: is is not a talisman, as our friend tactical girlfriend

2660
02:23:03,760 --> 02:23:06,480
Speaker 1: often brings up, and you shouldn't treat it as one.

2661
02:23:06,480 --> 02:23:08,520
Speaker 1: And part of what that means is that, like, you

2662
02:23:08,600 --> 02:23:11,879
Speaker 1: have to model like the threat that you're facing, right

2663
02:23:11,920 --> 02:23:14,640
Speaker 1: and if you are not in immediate danger, if nobody

2664
02:23:14,680 --> 02:23:17,760
Speaker 1: is threatening to kill you specifically, you know, then that

2665
02:23:17,840 --> 02:23:21,200
Speaker 1: may not be the safest thing for you, right and particularly,

2666
02:23:21,240 --> 02:23:23,480
Speaker 1: I think the other side of it that Carl, you

2667
02:23:23,560 --> 02:23:25,360
Speaker 1: are much more qualified to talk about with than me,

2668
02:23:25,440 --> 02:23:27,280
Speaker 1: is that if you are going to buy a firearm,

2669
02:23:27,360 --> 02:23:29,000
Speaker 1: if you want that to be a thing that can

2670
02:23:29,040 --> 02:23:32,600
Speaker 1: actually protect you in a situation where you are in danger,

2671
02:23:32,600 --> 02:23:36,119
Speaker 1: where someone is threatening your life, you have to train

2672
02:23:36,240 --> 02:23:36,480
Speaker 1: with it.

2673
02:23:36,760 --> 02:23:37,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2674
02:23:37,120 --> 02:23:39,520
Speaker 9: No, absolutely, I think that not to make to make

2675
02:23:39,600 --> 02:23:41,080
Speaker 9: light of that at all with that little joke about

2676
02:23:41,120 --> 02:23:43,480
Speaker 9: that movie, but the reality is we as people humans

2677
02:23:43,520 --> 02:23:46,000
Speaker 9: in general, all of us are bad at threat modeling.

2678
02:23:46,200 --> 02:23:48,880
Speaker 9: And that's not to say that the perceived threat that

2679
02:23:48,920 --> 02:23:51,480
Speaker 9: we're seeing with the results isn't real. Yeah, I think

2680
02:23:51,520 --> 02:23:55,280
Speaker 9: it is, But that said at the moment, if you're

2681
02:23:55,320 --> 02:23:57,640
Speaker 9: dealing with some of those issues like you mentioned, or

2682
02:23:57,720 --> 02:24:00,640
Speaker 9: the living situation you're aund, or even the community around right,

2683
02:24:00,760 --> 02:24:04,160
Speaker 9: isn't one in which a firearm laying around is particularly safe.

2684
02:24:04,480 --> 02:24:07,520
Speaker 9: Could mean that you're actually inducing more threat and risk

2685
02:24:07,600 --> 02:24:10,000
Speaker 9: to yourself than what might come in two years. So

2686
02:24:10,360 --> 02:24:12,600
Speaker 9: that is something we have to think about very carefully.

2687
02:24:12,840 --> 02:24:15,440
Speaker 9: Can I possess this responsibly? Do I know how to

2688
02:24:15,520 --> 02:24:18,160
Speaker 9: use it responsibly? Am I in a place not only

2689
02:24:18,200 --> 02:24:20,640
Speaker 9: in my living situation, but my mental state that possessing

2690
02:24:20,680 --> 02:24:23,640
Speaker 9: this very quick and easy to use lethal device is

2691
02:24:23,720 --> 02:24:26,240
Speaker 9: safe to have around? Those are questions you should ask

2692
02:24:26,320 --> 02:24:28,359
Speaker 9: first before worrying about tomorrow.

2693
02:24:29,040 --> 02:24:31,920
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, I mean maybe we should address like a

2694
02:24:31,959 --> 02:24:33,960
Speaker 5: couple of things that Kyle said right off the bat,

2695
02:24:34,000 --> 02:24:37,800
Speaker 5: Like you said having a firearm lying around, right, One

2696
02:24:37,840 --> 02:24:39,840
Speaker 5: thing that we should address is like, I know I

2697
02:24:39,920 --> 02:24:43,039
Speaker 5: recently purchased a new gun safe, but like if you

2698
02:24:43,120 --> 02:24:46,080
Speaker 5: have ex budget to buy a gun. Robert also mentioned

2699
02:24:46,120 --> 02:24:49,520
Speaker 5: that without training, your liability with the gun. Right, maybe

2700
02:24:49,600 --> 02:24:52,879
Speaker 5: we can break down if you have one thousand dollars,

2701
02:24:53,160 --> 02:24:55,119
Speaker 5: you don't need to go out and spend a thousand

2702
02:24:55,200 --> 02:24:57,280
Speaker 5: dollars on your gun. Right, perhaps it would be better

2703
02:24:57,680 --> 02:24:59,640
Speaker 5: to save some of that money and put it towards

2704
02:24:59,680 --> 02:25:02,440
Speaker 5: other things. I think it might make sense to just

2705
02:25:02,560 --> 02:25:05,840
Speaker 5: break those down for people in case they're not familiar.

2706
02:25:06,280 --> 02:25:07,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that that might be a good place

2707
02:25:07,760 --> 02:25:10,600
Speaker 1: to start. Is if you decide number one, I'm in

2708
02:25:10,640 --> 02:25:14,520
Speaker 1: an emotionally stable place. I either have some specific threats

2709
02:25:14,600 --> 02:25:16,640
Speaker 1: or I want to be prepared for a future where

2710
02:25:16,640 --> 02:25:19,200
Speaker 1: those threats are more likely. And let's start with a

2711
02:25:19,200 --> 02:25:21,800
Speaker 1: budget of one thousand dollars, right, And you know this

2712
02:25:21,840 --> 02:25:23,680
Speaker 1: is one of the there's going to be people who

2713
02:25:23,760 --> 02:25:25,920
Speaker 1: can't afford a budget of one thousand dollars and that's

2714
02:25:26,120 --> 02:25:28,320
Speaker 1: very unfortunate. But this is one of those things that

2715
02:25:28,440 --> 02:25:32,000
Speaker 1: like isn't fair, right, Like guns cost money. Not everyone

2716
02:25:32,280 --> 02:25:35,640
Speaker 1: has disposable income. But one thousand dollars I think is

2717
02:25:35,680 --> 02:25:38,200
Speaker 1: a reasonable floor for not just acquiring a firearm, but

2718
02:25:38,280 --> 02:25:40,680
Speaker 1: like the things you need to be able to start

2719
02:25:40,720 --> 02:25:44,039
Speaker 1: building proficiency with. It's like, let's talk about that car,

2720
02:25:44,160 --> 02:25:46,320
Speaker 1: Like what would you do would you advise someone with

2721
02:25:46,360 --> 02:25:49,560
Speaker 1: a grand who is looking into getting into shooting and

2722
02:25:49,600 --> 02:25:52,840
Speaker 1: also being set up to potentially defend themselves if they

2723
02:25:52,879 --> 02:25:53,240
Speaker 1: need to.

2724
02:25:53,760 --> 02:25:54,560
Speaker 2: Right, So this this.

2725
02:25:54,720 --> 02:25:57,600
Speaker 9: Well, it's such a nuanced question and answer because there's

2726
02:25:57,640 --> 02:26:00,520
Speaker 9: so many variabilities there, one of which is you have

2727
02:26:00,560 --> 02:26:02,080
Speaker 9: to understand the living situation you in.

2728
02:26:02,200 --> 02:26:04,400
Speaker 2: Are you living in a place that is solely your own?

2729
02:26:04,480 --> 02:26:07,120
Speaker 2: Do you live with roommates, do you have children and

2730
02:26:07,120 --> 02:26:07,720
Speaker 2: your parents?

2731
02:26:07,840 --> 02:26:11,000
Speaker 9: I mean, like these things all come into the equation

2732
02:26:11,160 --> 02:26:13,920
Speaker 9: about how well can you secure this thing should you

2733
02:26:13,959 --> 02:26:16,600
Speaker 9: acquire it? And so that comes up to do you

2734
02:26:16,640 --> 02:26:18,600
Speaker 9: need a full bolt into the wall safe? Do you

2735
02:26:18,640 --> 02:26:21,840
Speaker 9: need something that is locked with cable underneath the bed

2736
02:26:21,879 --> 02:26:25,400
Speaker 9: that still is reasonably difficult to get into but is

2737
02:26:25,560 --> 02:26:28,000
Speaker 9: accessible otherwise? Do you have a situation in which you're

2738
02:26:28,000 --> 02:26:30,320
Speaker 9: the only one that could access this and therefore you're

2739
02:26:30,320 --> 02:26:32,400
Speaker 9: not worried about that? So the first thing you have

2740
02:26:32,440 --> 02:26:34,959
Speaker 9: to think about is, though I'm taken possession of responsibility

2741
02:26:35,000 --> 02:26:37,959
Speaker 9: of this, it is a lethal weapon, what am I

2742
02:26:38,040 --> 02:26:40,080
Speaker 9: going to do to make sure that that doesn't fall

2743
02:26:40,080 --> 02:26:42,200
Speaker 9: into the wrong hands? Whether there are people that live

2744
02:26:42,240 --> 02:26:45,320
Speaker 9: within your own structure or outside of it should something

2745
02:26:45,360 --> 02:26:47,720
Speaker 9: go awright, So you have to consider that. So right

2746
02:26:47,760 --> 02:26:49,959
Speaker 9: off the bat is what are the situation I'm in

2747
02:26:50,160 --> 02:26:52,280
Speaker 9: and what are the things I need to consider to

2748
02:26:52,280 --> 02:26:55,600
Speaker 9: make sure this doesn't leak out of my control, because

2749
02:26:55,720 --> 02:26:57,640
Speaker 9: we've seen in so many instances, especially some of the

2750
02:26:57,680 --> 02:26:59,720
Speaker 9: horrible spree shootings and such, in which is not the

2751
02:26:59,760 --> 02:27:02,120
Speaker 9: person to possess the gun, but someone around them that

2752
02:27:02,160 --> 02:27:03,920
Speaker 9: took it from them and used it for them. Absolutely,

2753
02:27:03,959 --> 02:27:07,120
Speaker 9: And that's because it wasn't stored well. And so that's

2754
02:27:07,200 --> 02:27:09,240
Speaker 9: number one. So you're going to think about one, are

2755
02:27:09,280 --> 02:27:11,800
Speaker 9: you getting a small a pithol or a long arm?

2756
02:27:11,800 --> 02:27:13,720
Speaker 9: And that's a discussion that we had too, but those

2757
02:27:13,720 --> 02:27:15,959
Speaker 9: two equate. And then depending on which one of those

2758
02:27:16,000 --> 02:27:19,200
Speaker 9: two you're acquiring determines the kind of safe storage requirements

2759
02:27:19,200 --> 02:27:22,879
Speaker 9: that also aligned with your current living situation. Of course,

2760
02:27:22,920 --> 02:27:25,040
Speaker 9: the best thing is a safe bolted to the floor

2761
02:27:25,040 --> 02:27:27,119
Speaker 9: that only you can get into. But that's not viable

2762
02:27:27,160 --> 02:27:27,720
Speaker 9: for everyone.

2763
02:27:28,040 --> 02:27:32,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, but it's something right yeah, Yeah. What comes

2764
02:27:32,040 --> 02:27:33,880
Speaker 1: along with that is you also, this is going to

2765
02:27:33,879 --> 02:27:36,160
Speaker 1: be true at every stage of this process, you need

2766
02:27:36,160 --> 02:27:39,120
Speaker 1: to know the laws of your state and maybe even

2767
02:27:39,160 --> 02:27:42,120
Speaker 1: your local area. Right Like in Oregon we have very

2768
02:27:42,160 --> 02:27:45,200
Speaker 1: strict safe storage laws, right Like, you can be held

2769
02:27:45,200 --> 02:27:47,720
Speaker 1: accountable to a higher degree in this state if you

2770
02:27:47,720 --> 02:27:50,560
Speaker 1: don't secure a weapon and someone gets access to it

2771
02:27:50,840 --> 02:27:52,960
Speaker 1: right now. Obviously, if you have a safe and someone

2772
02:27:53,080 --> 02:27:55,440
Speaker 1: drills into your safe, you're not liable, right like you

2773
02:27:55,480 --> 02:27:58,640
Speaker 1: took the actions you could to stop them from being

2774
02:27:58,680 --> 02:28:01,720
Speaker 1: able to get to your firearms. There's not an expectation

2775
02:28:01,840 --> 02:28:04,879
Speaker 1: that you have a fortress of solitude or whatever, but

2776
02:28:04,959 --> 02:28:08,320
Speaker 1: you have to have taken reasonable steps to lock them away, right,

2777
02:28:08,840 --> 02:28:10,680
Speaker 1: And you know that's going to be different. A lot

2778
02:28:10,720 --> 02:28:13,320
Speaker 1: of states have absolutely no requirements whatsoever, but you need

2779
02:28:13,360 --> 02:28:16,680
Speaker 1: to be aware of what your local legal situation is.

2780
02:28:16,720 --> 02:28:18,879
Speaker 9: Yeah, I appreciate you bringing that to the table because myself,

2781
02:28:19,000 --> 02:28:21,240
Speaker 9: living in Arizona, we have no such rules, and so.

2782
02:28:21,440 --> 02:28:23,600
Speaker 2: I can essentially you can just keep them on the floor.

2783
02:28:24,800 --> 02:28:27,080
Speaker 9: I could stab them in my front yard, right I'm

2784
02:28:27,080 --> 02:28:28,440
Speaker 9: like to put him out in the yard.

2785
02:28:28,440 --> 02:28:29,680
Speaker 2: We'll see. I had extra rs.

2786
02:28:29,720 --> 02:28:31,680
Speaker 1: I use him to make a fence cheaper than would

2787
02:28:31,760 --> 02:28:34,720
Speaker 1: right now, literally cold would now.

2788
02:28:35,560 --> 02:28:37,480
Speaker 9: So the thing about that is this is again, these

2789
02:28:37,800 --> 02:28:40,040
Speaker 9: things get more and more complicated over time. But we

2790
02:28:40,040 --> 02:28:43,280
Speaker 9: don't want to make this conversation impenetrable. But like, the

2791
02:28:43,400 --> 02:28:46,280
Speaker 9: kind of safe you acquire is important too, and this

2792
02:28:46,320 --> 02:28:48,080
Speaker 9: is that's a deeper topic than we could ever do

2793
02:28:48,120 --> 02:28:50,760
Speaker 9: in one video. I'm gonna go ahead and just dovetail

2794
02:28:50,800 --> 02:28:53,200
Speaker 9: out to a friend of mine, Devian Olaf. He has

2795
02:28:53,240 --> 02:28:56,440
Speaker 9: a channel he does a lot of video work about

2796
02:28:56,560 --> 02:28:58,640
Speaker 9: gun safe and which ones are good or bad. But

2797
02:28:58,760 --> 02:29:01,080
Speaker 9: let's just say the chief ninety dollars thing with the

2798
02:29:01,080 --> 02:29:02,920
Speaker 9: cylindrical key lock, isn't it.

2799
02:29:03,200 --> 02:29:04,520
Speaker 2: So you've got to be a little better than that.

2800
02:29:04,640 --> 02:29:06,160
Speaker 2: So I would ask the me, let's go with costs

2801
02:29:06,560 --> 02:29:07,000
Speaker 2: you're buying.

2802
02:29:07,120 --> 02:29:09,760
Speaker 9: Let's say in air fifteen, you're probably going to need

2803
02:29:09,800 --> 02:29:12,320
Speaker 9: to spend and I'm guessing here around two hundred fifty

2804
02:29:12,360 --> 02:29:14,560
Speaker 9: dollars for a safe that's actually worth a dam.

2805
02:29:14,879 --> 02:29:18,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's about what I spent recently for little

2806
02:29:18,080 --> 02:29:22,800
Speaker 5: handguns safe. Yeah, so's let's build on that. Right, Let's

2807
02:29:22,840 --> 02:29:25,080
Speaker 5: say you've decided that you want a gun and that

2808
02:29:25,160 --> 02:29:27,880
Speaker 5: it's safe for you to have a gun. I think, Yeah,

2809
02:29:27,920 --> 02:29:30,160
Speaker 5: the first thing you ought to prioritize is making sure

2810
02:29:30,200 --> 02:29:32,400
Speaker 5: that no one who for whom it is not safe

2811
02:29:32,480 --> 02:29:35,880
Speaker 5: gets that gun, which we've addressed right. The second thing

2812
02:29:35,920 --> 02:29:39,360
Speaker 5: that you need to prioritize is that you could use

2813
02:29:39,400 --> 02:29:43,760
Speaker 5: that gun safely and like you're another liability every time, Yeah,

2814
02:29:43,800 --> 02:29:46,119
Speaker 5: that you pick up and load that gun, right.

2815
02:29:46,600 --> 02:29:49,760
Speaker 1: Yes, And part of that is in and maybe I

2816
02:29:49,760 --> 02:29:51,880
Speaker 1: will have different opinions on this, but I think we're

2817
02:29:51,920 --> 02:29:56,400
Speaker 1: probably sympatico picking the right type of firearm. I see

2818
02:29:56,440 --> 02:29:58,680
Speaker 1: a lot of people saying, I am worried I'm going

2819
02:29:58,720 --> 02:30:01,240
Speaker 1: to get attacked. You know, I've been I've gotten a

2820
02:30:01,240 --> 02:30:04,640
Speaker 1: death threat. You know, I'm scared, particularly of this group

2821
02:30:04,680 --> 02:30:06,880
Speaker 1: of you know, Nazis or whatever. So I'm going to

2822
02:30:06,920 --> 02:30:09,280
Speaker 1: buy a handgun. And I will tell you right now,

2823
02:30:09,360 --> 02:30:12,480
Speaker 1: my opinion is that if you are looking for a

2824
02:30:12,520 --> 02:30:16,480
Speaker 1: self defense weapon, a handgun probably shouldn't be what you

2825
02:30:16,520 --> 02:30:18,960
Speaker 1: pick unless you are looking to carry a gun.

2826
02:30:19,200 --> 02:30:21,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, that's a good quote, right.

2827
02:30:21,400 --> 02:30:24,120
Speaker 9: I carry a handgun because it's unwieldy to walk around

2828
02:30:24,120 --> 02:30:25,480
Speaker 9: with a fifty BMG.

2829
02:30:26,080 --> 02:30:27,439
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, I cannot.

2830
02:30:27,800 --> 02:30:30,600
Speaker 1: I cannot take my ar with me in the street, right,

2831
02:30:30,640 --> 02:30:31,879
Speaker 1: so I keep a nine on me.

2832
02:30:32,000 --> 02:30:33,480
Speaker 2: You know, handguns are.

2833
02:30:33,360 --> 02:30:37,800
Speaker 9: The most difficult thing to use skillfully under distress and

2834
02:30:37,879 --> 02:30:41,520
Speaker 9: duress than any other firearm. And yes, above and beyond that,

2835
02:30:41,920 --> 02:30:44,280
Speaker 9: they are actually the least fact of it doing the

2836
02:30:44,360 --> 02:30:46,080
Speaker 9: job you think they're going to do than anything else.

2837
02:30:46,400 --> 02:30:49,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they're a shocking number of people are shot

2838
02:30:49,680 --> 02:30:52,120
Speaker 1: way more times than you would expect they could survive

2839
02:30:52,200 --> 02:30:55,359
Speaker 1: with a handgun, right, Like that is just a reality

2840
02:30:55,440 --> 02:30:57,560
Speaker 1: of the way that they work, because they're much much

2841
02:30:57,640 --> 02:31:00,920
Speaker 1: less powerful than a rifle. And it's also like I

2842
02:31:00,920 --> 02:31:02,520
Speaker 1: had a friend a couple of years ago who bought

2843
02:31:02,520 --> 02:31:05,120
Speaker 1: a snubnose thirty eight, thinking, well, this is simple, I

2844
02:31:05,120 --> 02:31:07,120
Speaker 1: can't fuck it up. It's a good And I took

2845
02:31:07,120 --> 02:31:10,440
Speaker 1: her out and was like, I'm going to set up

2846
02:31:10,440 --> 02:31:12,960
Speaker 1: a ten foot target and we'll see how many times

2847
02:31:12,959 --> 02:31:15,120
Speaker 1: you can hit it with this gun. And she could

2848
02:31:15,200 --> 02:31:17,879
Speaker 1: not do it one out of five times. And then

2849
02:31:17,959 --> 02:31:20,280
Speaker 1: I brought out my glock and she was able to

2850
02:31:20,320 --> 02:31:21,080
Speaker 1: hit it every time.

2851
02:31:21,240 --> 02:31:21,400
Speaker 2: Right.

2852
02:31:21,480 --> 02:31:24,320
Speaker 1: And it's because one of those is a much easier

2853
02:31:24,400 --> 02:31:28,039
Speaker 1: weapon for somebody who is complete a complete novice to

2854
02:31:28,160 --> 02:31:30,080
Speaker 1: learn how to use functionally, right. And it's not the

2855
02:31:30,080 --> 02:31:31,160
Speaker 1: snubnose thirty eight.

2856
02:31:31,400 --> 02:31:35,959
Speaker 9: Yeah, in the roughest of most senses. Typically the smaller

2857
02:31:36,120 --> 02:31:38,879
Speaker 9: the gun is, the more a professionally you need to

2858
02:31:38,879 --> 02:31:39,480
Speaker 9: be to use.

2859
02:31:39,400 --> 02:31:40,320
Speaker 2: It, right.

2860
02:31:40,800 --> 02:31:44,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, And like with that in mind, you're responsible for

2861
02:31:44,160 --> 02:31:47,680
Speaker 5: every shot you fire, right training in self defense? What

2862
02:31:48,200 --> 02:31:50,360
Speaker 5: by fucking accident? Because you don't have to clean your

2863
02:31:50,360 --> 02:31:53,040
Speaker 5: gun or what have you. Every bullet that leaves that barrel,

2864
02:31:53,360 --> 02:31:56,480
Speaker 5: it's your fault and every one of theirs is potentially

2865
02:31:56,520 --> 02:32:00,320
Speaker 5: someone's life. So when you're thinking about buying a and

2866
02:32:01,000 --> 02:32:04,240
Speaker 5: you want to have something where you can a handle

2867
02:32:04,280 --> 02:32:07,080
Speaker 5: it safely and be discharging and know where that bullet's

2868
02:32:07,080 --> 02:32:07,480
Speaker 5: going to go.

2869
02:32:08,160 --> 02:32:09,920
Speaker 9: Yeah, So on that note, this has been asked for

2870
02:32:09,959 --> 02:32:11,840
Speaker 9: me many times, and we're talking about where all we

2871
02:32:11,879 --> 02:32:13,600
Speaker 9: are on the same page. It's like when someone asking

2872
02:32:13,600 --> 02:32:15,280
Speaker 9: me this question and it comes up more than you'd think.

2873
02:32:16,040 --> 02:32:17,720
Speaker 9: First of all, we're getting past the issue of like

2874
02:32:17,800 --> 02:32:19,760
Speaker 9: are you safe to own this and safe storage? So

2875
02:32:19,800 --> 02:32:21,640
Speaker 9: now we're at the point you are buying a gun, right,

2876
02:32:21,680 --> 02:32:23,720
Speaker 9: so you have to think, oh, what's the threat?

2877
02:32:23,800 --> 02:32:24,640
Speaker 2: Are we worried.

2878
02:32:24,360 --> 02:32:26,960
Speaker 9: About three years from now and the potential realities of

2879
02:32:27,360 --> 02:32:30,520
Speaker 9: a very caustic and dangerous political future. Are you worried

2880
02:32:30,520 --> 02:32:33,039
Speaker 9: about only home defense? Are you worried about your own

2881
02:32:33,080 --> 02:32:36,080
Speaker 9: self protection walking down the street, because obviously you're not

2882
02:32:36,080 --> 02:32:38,040
Speaker 9: going to be well, not obviously, but for the most part,

2883
02:32:38,040 --> 02:32:39,680
Speaker 9: you're not going to be carry an AR fifteen down

2884
02:32:39,680 --> 02:32:42,959
Speaker 9: the street. But if you are only worried about your castle,

2885
02:32:43,120 --> 02:32:44,880
Speaker 9: make a joke about castle doctor, and if you're only

2886
02:32:44,920 --> 02:32:47,880
Speaker 9: worried about your house, inside your house, there is no

2887
02:32:47,959 --> 02:32:50,200
Speaker 9: reason to be picking a pistol none whatsoever.

2888
02:32:51,440 --> 02:32:53,200
Speaker 1: Now, I will say that there's a number of folks

2889
02:32:53,240 --> 02:32:55,440
Speaker 1: in the lefty gun space who will say, so, just

2890
02:32:55,480 --> 02:32:58,160
Speaker 1: get an AR fifteen. That's not always going to be

2891
02:32:58,160 --> 02:33:01,240
Speaker 1: practical depending on your loss, right, Like, that is not

2892
02:33:01,400 --> 02:33:05,279
Speaker 1: something that we can say everyone will be able to do, right, yeah,

2893
02:33:05,320 --> 02:33:08,160
Speaker 1: but we can say there will be a non handgun

2894
02:33:08,160 --> 02:33:10,680
Speaker 1: option that will probably be a better fit for you.

2895
02:33:10,959 --> 02:33:11,279
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2896
02:33:11,320 --> 02:33:13,120
Speaker 9: Absolutely, And this is where we see a lot of

2897
02:33:13,160 --> 02:33:15,360
Speaker 9: people in the gun space. It's kind of weird, like

2898
02:33:15,400 --> 02:33:19,080
Speaker 9: cultural shifts in those zeitgeist what's the cool defensive thing

2899
02:33:19,120 --> 02:33:21,720
Speaker 9: of the time. But there's a lot to be said

2900
02:33:22,280 --> 02:33:23,760
Speaker 9: depending on what you think you're going.

2901
02:33:23,640 --> 02:33:24,280
Speaker 2: To have to shoot it.

2902
02:33:24,320 --> 02:33:27,640
Speaker 9: Hopefully never of course, but like, yeah, an AR fifteen

2903
02:33:27,720 --> 02:33:30,000
Speaker 9: does things like armour piercing in terms of kevlar and

2904
02:33:30,080 --> 02:33:32,879
Speaker 9: da da da da dah. But for home defense, it

2905
02:33:32,959 --> 02:33:35,080
Speaker 9: really still is kind of hard to go wrong with

2906
02:33:35,080 --> 02:33:37,879
Speaker 9: a shotgun in many instances, and that should not be ignored.

2907
02:33:38,240 --> 02:33:39,600
Speaker 9: You know what else should it be ignored?

2908
02:33:39,760 --> 02:33:40,080
Speaker 2: Huh?

2909
02:33:40,120 --> 02:33:43,480
Speaker 5: It's our obligation to pivot to advertisements about every fifteen

2910
02:33:43,480 --> 02:33:44,360
Speaker 5: minutes on this show.

2911
02:33:55,280 --> 02:33:56,920
Speaker 2: All right, we're back, Kyle.

2912
02:33:56,959 --> 02:34:00,600
Speaker 5: You've mentioned that you think a shotguns can be more

2913
02:34:00,600 --> 02:34:03,800
Speaker 5: effective than NOW fifteen especially. Another thing I would add

2914
02:34:03,840 --> 02:34:06,880
Speaker 5: is here, in a state like California, the laws regarding

2915
02:34:07,400 --> 02:34:12,600
Speaker 5: simulartomatic centifire rifles are incredibly confusing. It's extremely easy to

2916
02:34:12,600 --> 02:34:14,920
Speaker 5: buy something on Amazon and slap it on your gun

2917
02:34:15,120 --> 02:34:16,320
Speaker 5: and render it a felony.

2918
02:34:16,400 --> 02:34:21,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would generally say, like in most situations, an AR,

2919
02:34:21,280 --> 02:34:23,280
Speaker 1: if you're new to shooting, it's going to be easier

2920
02:34:23,320 --> 02:34:26,800
Speaker 1: to figure out. They're very simple, easy to upgrade and modify.

2921
02:34:26,959 --> 02:34:30,400
Speaker 1: But like, yeah, in California. In a state New York

2922
02:34:30,480 --> 02:34:33,320
Speaker 1: is similar, it's very easy to commit a felony with

2923
02:34:33,360 --> 02:34:36,000
Speaker 1: an AR fifteen and not know that you are. And

2924
02:34:36,040 --> 02:34:37,800
Speaker 1: you don't want to find out that your gun is

2925
02:34:37,840 --> 02:34:40,240
Speaker 1: a felony when you have to use it in self defense.

2926
02:34:40,600 --> 02:34:40,880
Speaker 2: Right.

2927
02:34:41,360 --> 02:34:43,680
Speaker 9: This is an instance in which the good old man again,

2928
02:34:43,720 --> 02:34:45,480
Speaker 9: I'm not trying to I'm not I'm not on team

2929
02:34:45,520 --> 02:34:49,400
Speaker 9: shotgun here, but when it comes to cross all state lines,

2930
02:34:49,520 --> 02:34:51,760
Speaker 9: I mean, sure, there's an exception somewhere, but for the

2931
02:34:51,800 --> 02:34:56,840
Speaker 9: most part, a manually pump activated shotgun, Yeah, is likely

2932
02:34:56,879 --> 02:34:59,600
Speaker 9: to not run a foul of the law anywhere. Additionally,

2933
02:34:59,720 --> 02:35:01,720
Speaker 9: through a good chance that if you were to and

2934
02:35:01,720 --> 02:35:04,480
Speaker 9: we have to consider all realities, there's a good chance

2935
02:35:04,520 --> 02:35:06,480
Speaker 9: that should you need to use it, that when you're

2936
02:35:06,480 --> 02:35:09,160
Speaker 9: in court trying to defend yourself for using this lethal weapon.

2937
02:35:09,600 --> 02:35:14,360
Speaker 9: A shotgun doesn't seem to evoke the same concerns, let's say,

2938
02:35:14,640 --> 02:35:17,080
Speaker 9: from courts and from judges that an ar might and yar.

2939
02:35:17,280 --> 02:35:19,600
Speaker 9: You know, regardless of how common they are and how

2940
02:35:19,680 --> 02:35:23,440
Speaker 9: much they proliferate society, there's still those scary rifles. A

2941
02:35:23,480 --> 02:35:27,000
Speaker 9: shotgun does not tend to evoke that same kind of response.

2942
02:35:27,360 --> 02:35:31,160
Speaker 9: It is most likely legal almost anywhere, and the diversity

2943
02:35:31,160 --> 02:35:33,720
Speaker 9: of ammunition you can use in it really bridges the

2944
02:35:33,720 --> 02:35:36,760
Speaker 9: gap from one yard to one hundred yards or more.

2945
02:35:37,240 --> 02:35:38,680
Speaker 9: But a lot of people that are new to guns,

2946
02:35:38,680 --> 02:35:40,920
Speaker 9: we'll think, well, shotgun don't need to aim. That is incorrect.

2947
02:35:40,959 --> 02:35:42,800
Speaker 9: Shotguns need to be aimed as much as any other

2948
02:35:42,840 --> 02:35:45,640
Speaker 9: long arm. They're just very effective when they actually connect.

2949
02:35:45,959 --> 02:35:49,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one of those I think because I do change,

2950
02:35:50,120 --> 02:35:52,560
Speaker 1: like what I am taking with me based on where

2951
02:35:52,600 --> 02:35:56,280
Speaker 1: I go, and like when I'm in California. I generally like,

2952
02:35:56,320 --> 02:35:58,320
Speaker 1: if I'm going camping or something, I'll make sure I

2953
02:35:58,360 --> 02:36:01,000
Speaker 1: have a twelve gage in the car, right, because I'm

2954
02:36:01,040 --> 02:36:04,200
Speaker 1: not going to try to get whatever this month's gun

2955
02:36:04,280 --> 02:36:07,800
Speaker 1: laws are, right, you know, like that's just not practical

2956
02:36:07,840 --> 02:36:10,480
Speaker 1: to me. That said, I think because there are a

2957
02:36:10,600 --> 02:36:13,199
Speaker 1: number of people who will be very frustrated us talking

2958
02:36:13,200 --> 02:36:15,840
Speaker 1: about shotguns. One thing that they are right about is

2959
02:36:16,240 --> 02:36:19,720
Speaker 1: there's a different type of training that's necessary with the shotgun,

2960
02:36:19,760 --> 02:36:22,360
Speaker 1: and they are in some ways more complicated to use

2961
02:36:22,440 --> 02:36:25,120
Speaker 1: than an AR in part because for every shot, well,

2962
02:36:25,200 --> 02:36:27,920
Speaker 1: unless it's a semi automatic, like for every shot you're

2963
02:36:28,040 --> 02:36:31,760
Speaker 1: pumping it, right, and like that, there's muscle memory that

2964
02:36:31,800 --> 02:36:35,560
Speaker 1: has to be built there. Right, it's harder, you know,

2965
02:36:35,640 --> 02:36:37,560
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit slower to get up to a

2966
02:36:37,600 --> 02:36:39,880
Speaker 1: level or at least you have to train differently with it.

2967
02:36:40,000 --> 02:36:40,200
Speaker 2: Right.

2968
02:36:40,520 --> 02:36:42,320
Speaker 1: The other thing about it is that like it loads

2969
02:36:42,440 --> 02:36:45,400
Speaker 1: very differently. You know, a shotgun is a completely different

2970
02:36:45,480 --> 02:36:48,520
Speaker 1: kind of ammunition than an AR has, which all goes

2971
02:36:48,560 --> 02:36:51,000
Speaker 1: back to the whole like you have to be willing

2972
02:36:51,080 --> 02:36:53,480
Speaker 1: to train with whatever it is you're going to use

2973
02:36:54,200 --> 02:36:54,800
Speaker 1: fair enough.

2974
02:36:54,959 --> 02:36:59,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, See, ideally, like if you're in this position of thinking,

2975
02:36:59,240 --> 02:37:02,760
Speaker 5: if you can find a friend or failing that, arrange

2976
02:37:02,800 --> 02:37:06,840
Speaker 5: that will allow you to try different guns. I think

2977
02:37:07,120 --> 02:37:08,760
Speaker 5: as a novice you're going to pick up if you've

2978
02:37:08,760 --> 02:37:10,640
Speaker 5: never shot a gun before. I probably wouldn't pick up

2979
02:37:10,640 --> 02:37:13,640
Speaker 5: a twelve googe shotgun and start peuing away because the

2980
02:37:13,680 --> 02:37:16,640
Speaker 5: recoil will be quite profound and notable to you. So

2981
02:37:16,720 --> 02:37:18,600
Speaker 5: don't start there. Start with something else.

2982
02:37:19,160 --> 02:37:22,160
Speaker 1: There's smaller shotguns at twenty gauge, yeah.

2983
02:37:21,800 --> 02:37:24,440
Speaker 5: And those are fine, especially if you're a smaller statute person.

2984
02:37:24,480 --> 02:37:27,040
Speaker 5: Even a twenty eight or sixteens are hard to probably

2985
02:37:27,040 --> 02:37:30,480
Speaker 5: buy defensive ammunition for. But I think if you can,

2986
02:37:31,400 --> 02:37:34,039
Speaker 5: when you begin that journey, like after the TV ball,

2987
02:37:34,080 --> 02:37:36,120
Speaker 5: say with Hanggouns, find one that fits your hand. You

2988
02:37:36,160 --> 02:37:38,640
Speaker 5: probably have no idea what fits you and feels good

2989
02:37:38,720 --> 02:37:42,160
Speaker 5: if you're just starting out. Yeah, finding someone who is

2990
02:37:42,240 --> 02:37:46,119
Speaker 5: local to you, ideally who has some experience who can

2991
02:37:46,160 --> 02:37:48,760
Speaker 5: help you along that process, I think, and someone who

2992
02:37:48,800 --> 02:37:51,879
Speaker 5: you trust, right Like I've been like I have to train.

2993
02:37:52,080 --> 02:37:54,480
Speaker 5: I have a concealed carry weapons permit in California. The

2994
02:37:54,560 --> 02:37:57,280
Speaker 5: last time I went to take a course, like from

2995
02:37:57,320 --> 02:38:02,440
Speaker 5: the outset, I got like xenophobe homophobia, like jokes that

2996
02:38:02,600 --> 02:38:05,080
Speaker 5: I guess the guy who was instructing the course thought

2997
02:38:05,120 --> 02:38:07,600
Speaker 5: that everyone was in on just like they made me

2998
02:38:07,640 --> 02:38:11,480
Speaker 5: feel unwelcome and I'm assist white guy. Yeah, but I

2999
02:38:11,480 --> 02:38:13,920
Speaker 5: think maybe we should address that, Like if you're thinking

3000
02:38:13,959 --> 02:38:16,360
Speaker 5: getting started, what kind of instruction should you look for?

3001
02:38:16,920 --> 02:38:20,480
Speaker 5: Where should you look for it? And like what would

3002
02:38:20,560 --> 02:38:23,920
Speaker 5: you recommend? Maybe other sources to Kyle, Like your YouTube

3003
02:38:24,000 --> 02:38:25,520
Speaker 5: channel has been a great resource for me.

3004
02:38:26,840 --> 02:38:30,120
Speaker 9: This is this is where we're in the firearms it's

3005
02:38:30,440 --> 02:38:32,640
Speaker 9: owning a thing doesn't make a community. So there's always

3006
02:38:32,640 --> 02:38:35,039
Speaker 9: a phrase the gun community. It's not a thing owning.

3007
02:38:35,080 --> 02:38:37,040
Speaker 9: Owning a thing doesn't make a community. A community is

3008
02:38:37,080 --> 02:38:39,840
Speaker 9: a group of people that bond together over mutual beliefs

3009
02:38:40,040 --> 02:38:43,600
Speaker 9: and hopefully care for one another. So there's no firearms community.

3010
02:38:43,640 --> 02:38:46,080
Speaker 9: But that's the broad scope of people that have been

3011
02:38:46,120 --> 02:38:48,800
Speaker 9: interested in the topic for the longest doration of time.

3012
02:38:49,280 --> 02:38:51,959
Speaker 9: Has been mostly succeeded to a group that we would

3013
02:38:51,959 --> 02:38:54,840
Speaker 9: not find ourselves aligned with or comfortable with being around.

3014
02:38:54,920 --> 02:38:57,760
Speaker 9: And so this is where the community building thing is real,

3015
02:38:57,840 --> 02:39:00,400
Speaker 9: because the more we build communities and we're hid in

3016
02:39:00,480 --> 02:39:03,760
Speaker 9: this regards in terms two alternative voices in the firearm space.

3017
02:39:03,800 --> 02:39:06,359
Speaker 9: But the more we build that community not only online

3018
02:39:06,400 --> 02:39:09,640
Speaker 9: but amongst one another, the more we're going to have safer,

3019
02:39:10,080 --> 02:39:12,920
Speaker 9: better spaces for us to work together to learn how

3020
02:39:12,920 --> 02:39:14,920
Speaker 9: to use these things safely and efficiently.

3021
02:39:15,320 --> 02:39:16,280
Speaker 2: And that is a challenge.

3022
02:39:16,320 --> 02:39:18,760
Speaker 9: If you walk in sight unseen to a place that

3023
02:39:18,840 --> 02:39:22,520
Speaker 9: is probably foreign to you in firearms land, sadly at

3024
02:39:22,520 --> 02:39:24,480
Speaker 9: this time point in time, is a pretty good chance

3025
02:39:24,480 --> 02:39:27,240
Speaker 9: it's not gonna be something you're gonna be comfortable with.

3026
02:39:27,440 --> 02:39:29,560
Speaker 9: Quite honestly, just like you mentioned James, like, it's gonna

3027
02:39:29,600 --> 02:39:31,720
Speaker 9: be that kind of stuff. There's probably gonna be Trump

3028
02:39:31,760 --> 02:39:34,640
Speaker 9: stuff on the wall, there's probably going you're probably gonna

3029
02:39:34,640 --> 02:39:37,120
Speaker 9: hear some jokes that are just jokes, but you know

3030
02:39:37,120 --> 02:39:37,640
Speaker 9: they're really not.

3031
02:39:37,879 --> 02:39:40,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the kind of space that that's filled with.

3032
02:39:40,200 --> 02:39:42,080
Speaker 9: And so when people come and say, well, who can

3033
02:39:42,080 --> 02:39:43,520
Speaker 9: I go to to get this training with, I'm like,

3034
02:39:43,760 --> 02:39:48,080
Speaker 9: that's challenging. There's some options online, there's like Operation Blazing Sword,

3035
02:39:48,120 --> 02:39:52,199
Speaker 9: There's there's there's the Liberal Gun Club has some training

3036
02:39:52,240 --> 02:39:55,240
Speaker 9: options as well. But what's better is finding people and

3037
02:39:55,320 --> 02:39:58,360
Speaker 9: interconnecting with people of like mind around you. If you

3038
02:39:58,440 --> 02:40:01,480
Speaker 9: can and working together and then actually building a real

3039
02:40:01,520 --> 02:40:04,360
Speaker 9: community that isn't a gun community, and that's where we're

3040
02:40:04,360 --> 02:40:06,160
Speaker 9: going to find solace and the ability to get better

3041
02:40:06,240 --> 02:40:09,480
Speaker 9: with this stuff together. Not a great exactly a strong answer,

3042
02:40:09,760 --> 02:40:12,000
Speaker 9: but if the truth. But if you're going in, if

3043
02:40:12,040 --> 02:40:16,440
Speaker 9: you're going in just unhindered, you're going to expect it

3044
02:40:16,440 --> 02:40:18,160
Speaker 9: to be a place that you're probably not going to

3045
02:40:18,160 --> 02:40:18,720
Speaker 9: be happy with.

3046
02:40:19,360 --> 02:40:19,600
Speaker 5: Yeah.

3047
02:40:19,680 --> 02:40:22,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that's a really good point. I'd

3048
02:40:22,480 --> 02:40:24,360
Speaker 1: like you can we talk a little bit more about

3049
02:40:25,080 --> 02:40:29,400
Speaker 1: training options, like not just because you mentioned Operation Blazing Sword,

3050
02:40:29,400 --> 02:40:31,360
Speaker 1: I'd like to hear a little more about them, but

3051
02:40:31,480 --> 02:40:34,720
Speaker 1: also where people could go for like reading and videos

3052
02:40:35,240 --> 02:40:38,400
Speaker 1: in order to kind of find more information on how

3053
02:40:38,440 --> 02:40:39,800
Speaker 1: to develop proficiency.

3054
02:40:40,000 --> 02:40:40,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

3055
02:40:40,280 --> 02:40:42,959
Speaker 9: So okay, So YouTube university doesn't teach you how to

3056
02:40:42,959 --> 02:40:46,240
Speaker 9: actually like effectively hit targets with something that stiffly that

3057
02:40:46,680 --> 02:40:48,360
Speaker 9: you can you can't. There's no way to learn that

3058
02:40:48,400 --> 02:40:53,080
Speaker 9: besides doing it. But in terms of general firearms understanding,

3059
02:40:53,360 --> 02:40:55,760
Speaker 9: learning some of the history, learning about how guns work,

3060
02:40:56,120 --> 02:40:59,959
Speaker 9: there are some YouTube resources out there. Tactical Girlfriend, you're

3061
02:41:00,000 --> 02:41:03,080
Speaker 9: already mentioned, has four years of a legacy of content

3062
02:41:03,120 --> 02:41:05,080
Speaker 9: on her site that a lot of it is focused

3063
02:41:05,120 --> 02:41:08,720
Speaker 9: on beginner style content. In fact, she just posted a playlist.

3064
02:41:09,520 --> 02:41:11,520
Speaker 9: He has kind of stopped making videos in general, she

3065
02:41:11,560 --> 02:41:13,720
Speaker 9: mentioned that a while back, but she still has her

3066
02:41:13,720 --> 02:41:17,040
Speaker 9: content online and she posted a playlist recently of all

3067
02:41:17,080 --> 02:41:19,720
Speaker 9: of her how to get going videos one oh one stuff,

3068
02:41:19,920 --> 02:41:22,560
Speaker 9: and that would kind of be where I'd start with.

3069
02:41:22,760 --> 02:41:25,800
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, my channel in range TV has some of that.

3070
02:41:26,360 --> 02:41:27,840
Speaker 9: I tend to focus a little bit on the more

3071
02:41:27,959 --> 02:41:32,560
Speaker 9: esoteric and like next level things, but that's not to

3072
02:41:32,600 --> 02:41:34,400
Speaker 9: say it's not there as well. So I'm not trying

3073
02:41:34,400 --> 02:41:36,720
Speaker 9: to sell promote, but I would actually say her playlist

3074
02:41:36,760 --> 02:41:38,000
Speaker 9: is going to be better than some of my own,

3075
02:41:38,040 --> 02:41:40,119
Speaker 9: although we have stuff like that on range TV as well.

3076
02:41:40,600 --> 02:41:43,600
Speaker 9: If you want to open up that dark boy called Reddit,

3077
02:41:44,040 --> 02:41:46,520
Speaker 9: the Liberal Gun Club has resources on it. If you

3078
02:41:46,560 --> 02:41:48,880
Speaker 9: go there, they have a list of people and local resources.

3079
02:41:49,040 --> 02:41:51,600
Speaker 9: You can also google the Liberal Gun Club. I'm not

3080
02:41:51,640 --> 02:41:54,160
Speaker 9: even trying to say anyone doing that is necessarily identifying

3081
02:41:54,200 --> 02:41:57,800
Speaker 9: as a liberal, but they have gathered lists of statewide

3082
02:41:57,840 --> 02:42:00,879
Speaker 9: resources as many as they can that are providing training

3083
02:42:01,200 --> 02:42:03,560
Speaker 9: in regional places. That would be a good place to start.

3084
02:42:04,000 --> 02:42:06,520
Speaker 9: Operation Blaeding Sword is a subset of that Blake.

3085
02:42:06,560 --> 02:42:08,200
Speaker 2: I'll I can. I pronounced them that day.

3086
02:42:08,240 --> 02:42:10,520
Speaker 9: Blake has been on my channel and you'll find him

3087
02:42:10,520 --> 02:42:12,000
Speaker 9: there in the Liberal.

3088
02:42:11,760 --> 02:42:13,959
Speaker 2: Gun Club listing. When I think of that, I would say,

3089
02:42:14,000 --> 02:42:14,520
Speaker 2: go to YouTube.

3090
02:42:14,560 --> 02:42:17,120
Speaker 9: Hit up Tactical Girlfriend, go to in Rey's TV if

3091
02:42:17,160 --> 02:42:18,680
Speaker 9: you want to see maybe not one on one but

3092
02:42:18,760 --> 02:42:21,480
Speaker 9: next level stuff, but a friendly space to you, and

3093
02:42:21,520 --> 02:42:24,280
Speaker 9: then check out the Liberal Gun Club best I can say,

3094
02:42:24,560 --> 02:42:26,879
Speaker 9: because they do have a list of resources that they're

3095
02:42:27,000 --> 02:42:28,600
Speaker 9: gathering across the country.

3096
02:42:28,760 --> 02:42:32,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think one thing that Tactical Girlfriend talks

3097
02:42:32,280 --> 02:42:35,400
Speaker 1: about that is acuse because you're right, and I think

3098
02:42:35,400 --> 02:42:37,160
Speaker 1: this is an important point that, like, you have to

3099
02:42:37,240 --> 02:42:40,120
Speaker 1: spend time shooting, and you know that costs money in

3100
02:42:40,240 --> 02:42:42,720
Speaker 1: order to get better, But there is one thing that

3101
02:42:42,760 --> 02:42:45,760
Speaker 1: you can do that does not cost ongoing money to

3102
02:42:45,800 --> 02:42:48,879
Speaker 1: get better with a handgun. If you're again looking to

3103
02:42:48,879 --> 02:42:51,199
Speaker 1: carry a gun, which is dry fire training, right, which

3104
02:42:51,240 --> 02:42:55,200
Speaker 1: is a very useful process of building proficiency, you can

3105
02:42:55,240 --> 02:42:56,800
Speaker 1: do it. I mean you could do it every day

3106
02:42:56,840 --> 02:42:59,000
Speaker 1: if you want. It will help. It does not replace

3107
02:42:59,240 --> 02:43:02,680
Speaker 1: needing to go shoot right, but you can find guides.

3108
02:43:02,760 --> 02:43:04,720
Speaker 1: Tactical Girlfriend talks about it a lot, but you can

3109
02:43:04,760 --> 02:43:07,520
Speaker 1: find other guides online, and that is a way that

3110
02:43:07,600 --> 02:43:10,920
Speaker 1: you can kind of stretch your AMMO budget and gain

3111
02:43:10,959 --> 02:43:12,120
Speaker 1: additional proficiency.

3112
02:43:12,720 --> 02:43:15,160
Speaker 9: There are even products designed specifically for that. One of

3113
02:43:15,200 --> 02:43:17,440
Speaker 9: them popul Mind, and there are others like mantis X.

3114
02:43:17,720 --> 02:43:19,720
Speaker 9: And you make sure your gun is safely unloaded and

3115
02:43:19,760 --> 02:43:22,000
Speaker 9: your proficient with that part of it. You've put these

3116
02:43:22,000 --> 02:43:24,199
Speaker 9: devices in and you can actually fire. A dry fire

3117
02:43:24,280 --> 02:43:26,520
Speaker 9: is firing with no ammunition in the gun. Click at

3118
02:43:26,560 --> 02:43:28,240
Speaker 9: a target on the wall and it'll teach you things

3119
02:43:28,280 --> 02:43:30,120
Speaker 9: about like did you pull to the right, did you

3120
02:43:30,160 --> 02:43:32,080
Speaker 9: push to the list? Did you dip the gun? And

3121
02:43:32,080 --> 02:43:33,920
Speaker 9: those are very good products that you can use once

3122
02:43:33,920 --> 02:43:36,199
Speaker 9: you buy them. Gets more money, but you could train

3123
02:43:36,240 --> 02:43:39,360
Speaker 9: proficiently in a safe place without firing live ammunition and

3124
02:43:39,440 --> 02:43:40,680
Speaker 9: improve your skills quite a bit.

3125
02:43:40,840 --> 02:43:41,240
Speaker 2: That's good.

3126
02:43:41,240 --> 02:43:41,879
Speaker 1: Point yep.

3127
02:43:42,000 --> 02:43:45,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would say another organization I would plug his

3128
02:43:46,160 --> 02:43:51,080
Speaker 5: armed quality, especially if like LGBTQIA people a friends of mine,

3129
02:43:51,160 --> 02:43:54,760
Speaker 5: very nice people. Perhaps we should go back then to that,

3130
02:43:54,840 --> 02:43:57,760
Speaker 5: like Rubbitts mentioned dry firing, we'd meant, well, first I

3131
02:43:57,760 --> 02:43:59,520
Speaker 5: think we need to go to ads James. You're right,

3132
02:43:59,560 --> 02:44:01,920
Speaker 5: Rubbit should go back to Chumba Casino.

3133
02:44:02,400 --> 02:44:04,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, so dry fire at the wall and think of

3134
02:44:04,840 --> 02:44:07,560
Speaker 1: trump a casino or just download an operator from neural

3135
02:44:07,600 --> 02:44:10,080
Speaker 1: link that you got from Melong. Yep, that's right, that's right.

3136
02:44:10,280 --> 02:44:12,560
Speaker 1: Our primary sponsors a rain ship.

3137
02:44:24,680 --> 02:44:28,920
Speaker 5: All right, we're back. So we've had a discussion about training,

3138
02:44:29,360 --> 02:44:31,840
Speaker 5: safe storage, and a little bit about like what to

3139
02:44:31,920 --> 02:44:34,800
Speaker 5: look at firearms wise. But I want to go back

3140
02:44:34,840 --> 02:44:38,640
Speaker 5: to that third one because you are marketed at so

3141
02:44:39,000 --> 02:44:41,840
Speaker 5: heavily when you're trying to buy a firearm, right, and

3142
02:44:42,240 --> 02:44:46,080
Speaker 5: the likelihood of you getting misinformation. Right, we all know

3143
02:44:46,640 --> 02:44:49,680
Speaker 5: smaller statute people who have been given yeah as snubnose

3144
02:44:49,760 --> 02:44:53,800
Speaker 5: thirty eight a gun that's entirely inappropriate for them. Caw

3145
02:44:53,920 --> 02:44:57,040
Speaker 5: what like if you could maybe go through like each

3146
02:44:57,200 --> 02:45:03,039
Speaker 5: major category, right, if we do hanggun, shotgun, semi automatic rifle,

3147
02:45:03,080 --> 02:45:06,680
Speaker 5: maybe one that is compatible with ar band states, and

3148
02:45:07,000 --> 02:45:10,480
Speaker 5: one that's you know, yeah, you're in real America.

3149
02:45:10,800 --> 02:45:13,480
Speaker 1: There are some options like the ares SCR that are

3150
02:45:13,480 --> 02:45:16,520
Speaker 1: basically AR fifteen's that are a lot easier to keep

3151
02:45:16,560 --> 02:45:19,040
Speaker 1: in compliance in a state like California, but they are

3152
02:45:19,080 --> 02:45:22,040
Speaker 1: also more than twice as expensive as like a budget

3153
02:45:22,280 --> 02:45:25,200
Speaker 1: AR fifteen right, Like, which is not to say it's

3154
02:45:25,240 --> 02:45:28,600
Speaker 1: impossible to have a budget AR fifteen that is in

3155
02:45:28,920 --> 02:45:32,000
Speaker 1: comp lot in compliance with California law. It's just I

3156
02:45:32,040 --> 02:45:34,400
Speaker 1: am not going to take on the responsibility of telling

3157
02:45:34,440 --> 02:45:37,160
Speaker 1: you how to do that legally, because when I lived

3158
02:45:37,160 --> 02:45:40,160
Speaker 1: in California, I was only about eighty percent sure that

3159
02:45:40,240 --> 02:45:41,920
Speaker 1: I was in compliance.

3160
02:45:41,360 --> 02:45:41,959
Speaker 2: With the law.

3161
02:45:42,440 --> 02:45:44,640
Speaker 5: If you're in California, my advice would be to go

3162
02:45:44,760 --> 02:45:48,000
Speaker 5: to a shop and buy the gun complete. Yes, don't

3163
02:45:48,040 --> 02:45:49,640
Speaker 5: piece it together off the internet.

3164
02:45:50,040 --> 02:45:51,040
Speaker 1: That's good at good advice.

3165
02:45:51,080 --> 02:45:52,720
Speaker 9: Oh well, if you're a new gun owner, don't piece

3166
02:45:52,720 --> 02:45:55,119
Speaker 9: to get anything together because the knowledge to make something

3167
02:45:55,160 --> 02:45:57,680
Speaker 9: reliable that you've put together from bits and pieces is

3168
02:45:57,800 --> 02:46:00,000
Speaker 9: not a good idea. You want something that's got to

3169
02:46:00,040 --> 02:46:01,920
Speaker 9: I mean literally, you want something from a quote unquote

3170
02:46:01,959 --> 02:46:04,279
Speaker 9: reputable manufacturer but has a warranty.

3171
02:46:04,560 --> 02:46:05,280
Speaker 2: Like, let's just be that.

3172
02:46:05,360 --> 02:46:07,840
Speaker 9: Don't even start with trying to put something together. Yeah, yeah,

3173
02:46:07,840 --> 02:46:09,560
Speaker 9: so let's just go ahead and start with pistol. So

3174
02:46:09,760 --> 02:46:11,760
Speaker 9: the challenge there is like, of course, it would be

3175
02:46:11,840 --> 02:46:13,440
Speaker 9: very nice to be able to buy like four of them,

3176
02:46:13,480 --> 02:46:15,720
Speaker 9: because you can train with the twenty two and practice

3177
02:46:15,760 --> 02:46:18,480
Speaker 9: with this. But let's go with the constraint that we

3178
02:46:18,480 --> 02:46:20,320
Speaker 9: had earlier of this thousand dollars and you're going to

3179
02:46:20,360 --> 02:46:22,840
Speaker 9: buy a pistol and with it you plan to train,

3180
02:46:23,280 --> 02:46:26,240
Speaker 9: get better, be proficient, but also maybe have to use

3181
02:46:26,280 --> 02:46:27,119
Speaker 9: it for self defense.

3182
02:46:27,440 --> 02:46:29,000
Speaker 2: You really want to stick with a nine millimeter.

3183
02:46:29,160 --> 02:46:31,040
Speaker 9: I mean there are smaller guns like three eighties and

3184
02:46:31,080 --> 02:46:33,440
Speaker 9: such like that, but we're getting into specialist guns. Yeah,

3185
02:46:33,680 --> 02:46:35,400
Speaker 9: is what I'm going to say here across the board.

3186
02:46:35,400 --> 02:46:37,160
Speaker 9: When I recommend something, it's going to be the opposite

3187
02:46:37,200 --> 02:46:39,320
Speaker 9: of specialist. It's going to be the most bland, boring

3188
02:46:39,360 --> 02:46:40,040
Speaker 9: possible thing.

3189
02:46:40,200 --> 02:46:40,400
Speaker 5: Yeah.

3190
02:46:40,440 --> 02:46:42,240
Speaker 9: And when it comes to that, and I know that

3191
02:46:42,280 --> 02:46:46,720
Speaker 9: everyone like. But it's a nine milimeter probably a glock Yep.

3192
02:46:46,800 --> 02:46:50,560
Speaker 9: The glock nineteen is a relatively reasonably sized gun. The

3193
02:46:50,600 --> 02:46:53,360
Speaker 9: seventeen's a little bigger the nineteens. In this nice middle ground,

3194
02:46:53,800 --> 02:46:56,120
Speaker 9: it is carriable, it's small enough to be concealed should

3195
02:46:56,120 --> 02:46:58,080
Speaker 9: you have the right to do so, but it's big

3196
02:46:58,160 --> 02:47:01,480
Speaker 9: enough to be viable for being reasonably accurate with with

3197
02:47:02,520 --> 02:47:04,600
Speaker 9: not extensive amounts of training, but enough training to be

3198
02:47:04,760 --> 02:47:05,320
Speaker 9: to get good.

3199
02:47:05,520 --> 02:47:07,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's a.

3200
02:47:06,920 --> 02:47:11,000
Speaker 9: Bunch around the nine millimeters magazine that just playing works Yep.

3201
02:47:10,800 --> 02:47:11,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep.

3202
02:47:11,480 --> 02:47:13,920
Speaker 5: If you're on a tight digit I will say that

3203
02:47:14,000 --> 02:47:16,960
Speaker 5: cops are always you can find trade in police clocks

3204
02:47:17,000 --> 02:47:20,160
Speaker 5: pretty cheap. Cops don't shoot very much. You can sometimes

3205
02:47:20,200 --> 02:47:21,440
Speaker 5: get some pretty good deals on those.

3206
02:47:21,720 --> 02:47:22,440
Speaker 2: Yep. That's it.

3207
02:47:22,560 --> 02:47:24,600
Speaker 9: I'm revealing a little bit of future history of what's

3208
02:47:24,640 --> 02:47:26,240
Speaker 9: going on in range. We're doing a video in a

3209
02:47:26,240 --> 02:47:30,320
Speaker 9: couple of weeks. There is a strange trade imbalance between

3210
02:47:30,360 --> 02:47:32,199
Speaker 9: us and never mind the politics.

3211
02:47:32,240 --> 02:47:33,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, Turkey and they are.

3212
02:47:33,800 --> 02:47:37,240
Speaker 9: Making some really high end, well made guns. There is

3213
02:47:37,280 --> 02:47:40,240
Speaker 9: a glock clone from Turkey that I can't vouch for yet,

3214
02:47:40,440 --> 02:47:41,720
Speaker 9: but this is the kind of where we're at in

3215
02:47:41,760 --> 02:47:45,040
Speaker 9: the gun space. This thing is interchangeable with all glock

3216
02:47:45,120 --> 02:47:46,680
Speaker 9: parts and the guns.

3217
02:47:46,440 --> 02:47:47,440
Speaker 2: Like two hundred and fifty bucks.

3218
02:47:47,520 --> 02:47:48,720
Speaker 5: Oh well, you can't be.

3219
02:47:48,800 --> 02:47:49,200
Speaker 2: We don't know.

3220
02:47:49,280 --> 02:47:51,160
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm not saying go buy that, but I'm saying

3221
02:47:51,200 --> 02:47:53,000
Speaker 9: we're going to do a review of it. The point

3222
02:47:53,080 --> 02:47:55,560
Speaker 9: is there are glocks and glocklike things that can get

3223
02:47:55,600 --> 02:47:56,280
Speaker 9: the price down.

3224
02:47:56,760 --> 02:47:57,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

3225
02:47:57,200 --> 02:47:58,880
Speaker 1: Right, And so you're looking at you know, if you

3226
02:47:58,959 --> 02:48:02,120
Speaker 1: get a jit Ar for five hundred bucks, you know

3227
02:48:02,200 --> 02:48:05,720
Speaker 1: a budget not a nine millimeter handgun. Because even if

3228
02:48:05,800 --> 02:48:08,640
Speaker 1: with not counting that one, there are other budget options

3229
02:48:08,640 --> 02:48:11,680
Speaker 1: that are in the three hundred ish dollar range. You

3230
02:48:11,800 --> 02:48:14,200
Speaker 1: just have to look around a bit. And I should

3231
02:48:14,200 --> 02:48:17,200
Speaker 1: also note buying used with a firearm is not like

3232
02:48:17,280 --> 02:48:20,240
Speaker 1: buying used with electronics. If a gun is well maintained,

3233
02:48:20,240 --> 02:48:23,000
Speaker 1: it will outlast you. Yeah right, there are some parts

3234
02:48:23,000 --> 02:48:25,320
Speaker 1: that will need replacing from time to time. Right, Your

3235
02:48:25,360 --> 02:48:27,959
Speaker 1: springs and stuff are going to age faster than other things.

3236
02:48:28,320 --> 02:48:31,120
Speaker 1: And like barrels, you can shoot out, but it takes

3237
02:48:31,200 --> 02:48:34,880
Speaker 1: quite a bit of shooting to shoot a barrel, you know, smooth, right,

3238
02:48:35,240 --> 02:48:38,480
Speaker 1: So it's never a bad to consider like finding, like

3239
02:48:38,520 --> 02:48:40,560
Speaker 1: you said, like a police trade in or something like that,

3240
02:48:40,600 --> 02:48:42,320
Speaker 1: like that could be a great way to save money.

3241
02:48:42,480 --> 02:48:43,000
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

3242
02:48:43,080 --> 02:48:44,760
Speaker 9: So when it comes to a pistol, we're talking about

3243
02:48:44,800 --> 02:48:47,520
Speaker 9: buying just one pretty much boil it down to a

3244
02:48:47,640 --> 02:48:51,240
Speaker 9: nine millimeter yep. That is probably a polymer frame gune,

3245
02:48:51,280 --> 02:48:54,000
Speaker 9: not some big heavy steel thing. A glock is the

3246
02:48:54,280 --> 02:48:56,280
Speaker 9: is like the de facto. But there are others.

3247
02:48:56,320 --> 02:48:58,320
Speaker 2: I mean, there's there's hks, there's rugers.

3248
02:48:58,360 --> 02:49:00,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like SIGs, but they're priceier.

3249
02:49:00,920 --> 02:49:01,920
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah.

3250
02:49:02,000 --> 02:49:02,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

3251
02:49:02,240 --> 02:49:04,560
Speaker 9: The thing about glock is block's been around forever. It's

3252
02:49:04,560 --> 02:49:09,840
Speaker 9: the standard finding accessorizing, buying magazines or even getting repairs

3253
02:49:09,840 --> 02:49:12,120
Speaker 9: done to a block is ubiquitous across the country. If

3254
02:49:12,120 --> 02:49:14,160
Speaker 9: you get a glock, you'll be able to deal with it,

3255
02:49:14,200 --> 02:49:16,160
Speaker 9: fix it, do whatever you want to it straight up.

3256
02:49:16,959 --> 02:49:19,879
Speaker 1: And what has helped me a lot in general is,

3257
02:49:19,920 --> 02:49:22,360
Speaker 1: you know, I have my carry gun, I have my

3258
02:49:23,000 --> 02:49:26,959
Speaker 1: home defense firearm, and then I have bought built a

3259
02:49:27,000 --> 02:49:29,440
Speaker 1: couple of firearms from the ground up. And I would certainly,

3260
02:49:29,480 --> 02:49:31,760
Speaker 1: as you said, I would never have started there. But

3261
02:49:31,800 --> 02:49:34,039
Speaker 1: because I had the extra money doing that means that

3262
02:49:34,200 --> 02:49:36,600
Speaker 1: has given me so much deeper of an understanding of

3263
02:49:36,600 --> 02:49:39,440
Speaker 1: what goes wrong when things do go wrong with a

3264
02:49:39,480 --> 02:49:42,680
Speaker 1: gun and how to fix it. Like I've replaced every

3265
02:49:42,760 --> 02:49:45,240
Speaker 1: part on my carry gun at this point, right like

3266
02:49:45,320 --> 02:49:48,720
Speaker 1: over time, and it's like given me a much deeper

3267
02:49:48,800 --> 02:49:51,440
Speaker 1: level of understanding if just like mechanically, how these things function.

3268
02:49:51,520 --> 02:49:54,119
Speaker 1: You know, building an AR fifteen was the same process.

3269
02:49:54,120 --> 02:49:57,959
Speaker 1: And I'm really I do find that valuable. Obviously it's

3270
02:49:58,080 --> 02:50:01,200
Speaker 1: throwing more money at the problem two totally.

3271
02:50:01,240 --> 02:50:04,879
Speaker 9: So the other advantage of nine milimeter, which is reasonably

3272
02:50:04,959 --> 02:50:08,160
Speaker 9: cheap defeat and shoot, he reasonably cheap to practice with.

3273
02:50:08,200 --> 02:50:10,080
Speaker 2: For those of you that don't know anything about guns.

3274
02:50:10,320 --> 02:50:14,200
Speaker 9: He will typically practice with what's called FMJ bulkpack ammunition. Yeah,

3275
02:50:14,320 --> 02:50:16,840
Speaker 9: nine milimeters one hundred and fifteen grain. It's just a

3276
02:50:16,879 --> 02:50:19,160
Speaker 9: bullet that's got a copper jacket on it, and that's

3277
02:50:19,200 --> 02:50:22,320
Speaker 9: your practice AMMO. And then for Carrie, should you be

3278
02:50:22,320 --> 02:50:24,960
Speaker 9: carrying it, you'll probably want to carry something that's specifically

3279
02:50:25,000 --> 02:50:28,040
Speaker 9: designed to be defensive ammunition. They'll be far more expensive

3280
02:50:28,080 --> 02:50:30,400
Speaker 9: per box. But once you get to the point of yes,

3281
02:50:30,440 --> 02:50:33,320
Speaker 9: I am ready safe and capable to carry this, you're

3282
02:50:33,360 --> 02:50:35,760
Speaker 9: going to want to pick something gold dots spear gold

3283
02:50:35,760 --> 02:50:38,280
Speaker 9: dots are a HaLow point designed to specifically be for

3284
02:50:38,360 --> 02:50:41,080
Speaker 9: self defense. But make sure the gun you've chosen works

3285
02:50:41,120 --> 02:50:44,200
Speaker 9: reliably with that defensive ammo, because even though it works

3286
02:50:44,240 --> 02:50:46,800
Speaker 9: one hundred percent with that FMJ, it may not work

3287
02:50:46,840 --> 02:50:48,440
Speaker 9: with the defensive amil y'all might have to play with

3288
02:50:48,440 --> 02:50:48,920
Speaker 9: a little bit.

3289
02:50:49,560 --> 02:50:53,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, we should also know when you are buying AMMO online,

3290
02:50:53,120 --> 02:50:54,800
Speaker 1: which is not going to be legal in every state,

3291
02:50:54,879 --> 02:50:57,520
Speaker 1: but most people will be able to do this. It

3292
02:50:57,680 --> 02:51:00,959
Speaker 1: pays to be careful. There is a lot of stuff

3293
02:51:01,000 --> 02:51:03,720
Speaker 1: that is sketchier out there and there can be consequences.

3294
02:51:03,720 --> 02:51:05,720
Speaker 1: I have had a firearm, I have had like a

3295
02:51:05,760 --> 02:51:08,960
Speaker 1: handgun blow up in my hand as a result of

3296
02:51:09,000 --> 02:51:12,480
Speaker 1: getting ammunition that I had not shot before. This was

3297
02:51:12,520 --> 02:51:15,760
Speaker 1: in fact turkish. I think it was because I think

3298
02:51:15,800 --> 02:51:18,480
Speaker 1: it was a hot load, but it's possible that it

3299
02:51:18,560 --> 02:51:21,760
Speaker 1: was the result of a bullet be a squib and

3300
02:51:21,920 --> 02:51:24,520
Speaker 1: that then jammed in the barrel and then another round

3301
02:51:24,520 --> 02:51:27,440
Speaker 1: came in after it. I generally have been pretty good

3302
02:51:27,440 --> 02:51:29,360
Speaker 1: at checking to make sure there's a hole in the

3303
02:51:29,360 --> 02:51:31,600
Speaker 1: paper with each shot, which is something you should be

3304
02:51:31,640 --> 02:51:35,760
Speaker 1: making sure of like when you're shooting, because get if

3305
02:51:35,800 --> 02:51:39,000
Speaker 1: you shoot around that like does not have enough powder

3306
02:51:39,040 --> 02:51:41,200
Speaker 1: behind it, right, if you get a bad round, it

3307
02:51:41,240 --> 02:51:43,320
Speaker 1: can jam in the barrel, and then the second round

3308
02:51:43,360 --> 02:51:45,720
Speaker 1: can cause the barrel to burst. This is also why

3309
02:51:45,760 --> 02:51:48,800
Speaker 1: we always wear eye protection. But when looking at ammo,

3310
02:51:48,840 --> 02:51:51,119
Speaker 1: if you think this looks like good AMMO and it's cheap,

3311
02:51:51,680 --> 02:51:54,240
Speaker 1: look online. Add like reddit to the name. See what

3312
02:51:54,280 --> 02:51:56,520
Speaker 1: other people say about it, right, Like, see if you

3313
02:51:56,560 --> 02:51:59,959
Speaker 1: can find anything written about that. If other usually other people,

3314
02:52:00,160 --> 02:52:03,000
Speaker 1: if it's like a less reliable manufacturer will have said

3315
02:52:03,280 --> 02:52:06,760
Speaker 1: I've had a bad experience with this ammunition. Do your

3316
02:52:06,800 --> 02:52:09,440
Speaker 1: diligence right the first time you're shooting a new kind

3317
02:52:09,480 --> 02:52:10,600
Speaker 1: of cheap target AMMO.

3318
02:52:11,320 --> 02:52:13,760
Speaker 9: That that being said, like there's a lot of names

3319
02:52:13,760 --> 02:52:15,600
Speaker 9: that almost anyone that's never owned a gun before, we'll

3320
02:52:15,600 --> 02:52:19,840
Speaker 9: recognize names like Remington, right, Winchester. Yes, these are That's

3321
02:52:19,879 --> 02:52:22,160
Speaker 9: not to say that they don't make mistakes too, but like,

3322
02:52:22,200 --> 02:52:24,520
Speaker 9: if you're going to go buy a Winchester bulk pack

3323
02:52:24,560 --> 02:52:27,879
Speaker 9: of ammunition, you are bombing at least what is generally

3324
02:52:27,879 --> 02:52:30,080
Speaker 9: considered consumer level reliable AMMO.

3325
02:52:30,360 --> 02:52:33,800
Speaker 1: If you're buying it absolutely crazy, Bob's reloading shack right,

3326
02:52:33,800 --> 02:52:36,920
Speaker 1: you don't know that was what because it's a lot

3327
02:52:36,959 --> 02:52:39,720
Speaker 1: of the sketchy stuff isn't even a manufacturer. It's like

3328
02:52:39,879 --> 02:52:42,240
Speaker 1: AMMO that you may not notice immediately it's like, oh wow,

3329
02:52:42,280 --> 02:52:44,440
Speaker 1: this seems really cheap, and then it'll say in small

3330
02:52:44,520 --> 02:52:49,600
Speaker 1: letters remanufactured right, which means somebody has reloaded it, reloaded AMMA.

3331
02:52:49,640 --> 02:52:51,320
Speaker 1: And like, you know, you can reload AMMO and have

3332
02:52:51,360 --> 02:52:54,600
Speaker 1: it be perfectly good ammunition, but do you know who

3333
02:52:54,640 --> 02:52:55,600
Speaker 1: reloaded this AMMO?

3334
02:52:55,840 --> 02:52:56,000
Speaker 19: Right?

3335
02:52:56,840 --> 02:52:58,560
Speaker 9: I will tell you, as a person that shoots a

3336
02:52:58,560 --> 02:53:00,920
Speaker 9: lot and has been doing it for decades, I personally,

3337
02:53:01,240 --> 02:53:04,320
Speaker 9: even with all that, I will never fire remanufactured ammunition.

3338
02:53:04,360 --> 02:53:08,360
Speaker 2: I want to deal with crazy Bob's weird Badnesday. Yes, yes,

3339
02:53:08,920 --> 02:53:10,400
Speaker 2: crazy Bob's Bad Wednesday.

3340
02:53:11,200 --> 02:53:15,680
Speaker 5: It's a great Yeah. Yeah, we've addressed a pistol, right,

3341
02:53:15,760 --> 02:53:19,280
Speaker 5: like I want to dress lunguns. And then you mentioned

3342
02:53:19,320 --> 02:53:21,000
Speaker 5: a couple of things call which you should also address,

3343
02:53:21,000 --> 02:53:23,720
Speaker 5: which are like accessories. A Rubbitt mentioned ie protection. So

3344
02:53:25,200 --> 02:53:25,720
Speaker 5: let me let me.

3345
02:53:25,680 --> 02:53:27,520
Speaker 2: Add one more piece to the pistol and we'll move on.

3346
02:53:29,440 --> 02:53:31,880
Speaker 9: The thing now, the whizbang thing now is every pistol

3347
02:53:31,879 --> 02:53:33,480
Speaker 9: has a red dot site on it. A red dot

3348
02:53:33,480 --> 02:53:36,000
Speaker 9: site is essentially an electro optical box that sits on

3349
02:53:36,040 --> 02:53:38,120
Speaker 9: the top of the slide and you look through it

3350
02:53:38,160 --> 02:53:40,320
Speaker 9: to aim and it projects a red dot like almost

3351
02:53:40,400 --> 02:53:41,879
Speaker 9: like a laser dot if you're not familiar with.

3352
02:53:41,840 --> 02:53:42,800
Speaker 2: It, to aim with.

3353
02:53:43,120 --> 02:53:46,080
Speaker 9: For the most part, I'm not saying you shouldn't have

3354
02:53:46,120 --> 02:53:48,160
Speaker 9: one because they're cool, But for the most part, a

3355
02:53:48,200 --> 02:53:51,440
Speaker 9: person getting into this specifically for self defense does not

3356
02:53:51,600 --> 02:53:53,360
Speaker 9: need one of those. You don't need to spend three

3357
02:53:53,400 --> 02:53:56,080
Speaker 9: hundred dollars on a red dot. The iron sights that

3358
02:53:56,120 --> 02:53:58,160
Speaker 9: come on any of these guns should be sufficient for

3359
02:53:58,280 --> 02:54:01,560
Speaker 9: most purposes, So don't get into I need that. Yeah,

3360
02:54:01,560 --> 02:54:03,560
Speaker 9: if that's something you want later, think about it. But

3361
02:54:03,640 --> 02:54:04,600
Speaker 9: it's not a requirement.

3362
02:54:05,120 --> 02:54:07,120
Speaker 1: Now that said, if a gun has one on it,

3363
02:54:07,160 --> 02:54:08,879
Speaker 1: I don't agree with people who say, like, you can't

3364
02:54:08,920 --> 02:54:11,119
Speaker 1: learn to shoot on a red dot. I think that

3365
02:54:11,120 --> 02:54:14,160
Speaker 1: that's now you should. You will need to look up

3366
02:54:14,200 --> 02:54:17,400
Speaker 1: because it may not be sighted, how to site it right,

3367
02:54:18,800 --> 02:54:21,160
Speaker 1: because it like red dots are a thing like you

3368
02:54:21,240 --> 02:54:23,600
Speaker 1: need to dial them in right, and there is a

3369
02:54:23,680 --> 02:54:26,440
Speaker 1: way to do that. Again, you can find guides to

3370
02:54:26,480 --> 02:54:28,680
Speaker 1: this online, just like you can find guides like mounting

3371
02:54:28,680 --> 02:54:33,160
Speaker 1: a scope on a rifle. These are complex mechanical tasks.

3372
02:54:33,440 --> 02:54:35,760
Speaker 1: A red dot less so than a scope. But you

3373
02:54:35,840 --> 02:54:37,920
Speaker 1: can't just buy a gun with a red dot on

3374
02:54:38,040 --> 02:54:40,360
Speaker 1: it and trust that that red dot points out where

3375
02:54:40,400 --> 02:54:43,359
Speaker 1: the bullet's going to go. That's not how they work. Absolutely.

3376
02:54:43,400 --> 02:54:44,960
Speaker 9: My point being is if you gave me, you said,

3377
02:54:45,400 --> 02:54:46,920
Speaker 9: this person here needs to be able to hit a

3378
02:54:46,959 --> 02:54:48,279
Speaker 9: target fifteen yards.

3379
02:54:48,080 --> 02:54:49,119
Speaker 2: Away, you've got one hour.

3380
02:54:49,520 --> 02:54:51,520
Speaker 9: I would not be messing by giving them a red dot.

3381
02:54:51,560 --> 02:54:53,200
Speaker 9: I would give them with something with iron sights and

3382
02:54:53,280 --> 02:54:54,280
Speaker 9: just get them through the task.

3383
02:54:54,320 --> 02:54:56,400
Speaker 1: If that's what I go where I'm going with that, Yeah,

3384
02:54:56,920 --> 02:55:00,840
Speaker 1: I think that's perfectly reasonable. Yeah, I prefer like now

3385
02:55:00,840 --> 02:55:03,040
Speaker 1: that I know what I'm doing to use my red

3386
02:55:03,080 --> 02:55:05,520
Speaker 1: dots and stuff, but I also pretty regularly shoot with

3387
02:55:05,560 --> 02:55:08,920
Speaker 1: iron sights in part because I like it, Like it's

3388
02:55:09,000 --> 02:55:11,920
Speaker 1: it's enjoyable mechanically, and it's kind of how I learned.

3389
02:55:12,080 --> 02:55:13,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, or don't get me wrong, it is better.

3390
02:55:13,720 --> 02:55:14,119
Speaker 1: Yeah.

3391
02:55:14,320 --> 02:55:17,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, it also have another level of complexity and it's

3392
02:55:17,520 --> 02:55:19,960
Speaker 5: more to go wrong, Like if you're installing that yourself,

3393
02:55:20,120 --> 02:55:23,440
Speaker 5: it's annoying and it's easy to mess up and then

3394
02:55:23,480 --> 02:55:24,640
Speaker 5: you're upset.

3395
02:55:24,720 --> 02:55:25,520
Speaker 2: And yeah.

3396
02:55:25,680 --> 02:55:30,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, let's move on to long guns. Like one thing

3397
02:55:30,240 --> 02:55:33,440
Speaker 5: that we should mention that you might buy an AR,

3398
02:55:34,240 --> 02:55:36,760
Speaker 5: specifically an AR actually and find that it comes with

3399
02:55:36,840 --> 02:55:40,080
Speaker 5: no sighting systems at all. Yes, and so that's the

3400
02:55:40,080 --> 02:55:42,760
Speaker 5: thing to build into your budget. So let's talk about

3401
02:55:42,800 --> 02:55:45,240
Speaker 5: like what to get for your budget in the long

3402
02:55:45,280 --> 02:55:45,959
Speaker 5: gun category.

3403
02:55:46,040 --> 02:55:46,240
Speaker 19: Calf.

3404
02:55:46,520 --> 02:55:48,280
Speaker 9: Yeah, so when we go to long guns, we talk

3405
02:55:48,320 --> 02:55:50,680
Speaker 9: about rifles and shotguns. Let's stick with rifles for now,

3406
02:55:50,680 --> 02:55:53,800
Speaker 9: I'm assuming so in that regard, this is this is

3407
02:55:53,800 --> 02:55:55,520
Speaker 9: the thing where like actually have a video on my

3408
02:55:55,600 --> 02:55:58,160
Speaker 9: channel about the NFA, which is the National Firearms Act,

3409
02:55:58,160 --> 02:56:00,560
Speaker 9: which is regulate it's a lot of like machine guns

3410
02:56:00,600 --> 02:56:03,080
Speaker 9: and stuff. But this also occur to across many gun

3411
02:56:03,120 --> 02:56:06,960
Speaker 9: control laws, they're frequently ablest, and the things that they

3412
02:56:07,000 --> 02:56:09,480
Speaker 9: pust the most rescriptions on are the things that are

3413
02:56:09,520 --> 02:56:15,120
Speaker 9: actually most capable. And that means that means Air fifteens

3414
02:56:15,160 --> 02:56:17,440
Speaker 9: in their general guys with a pistol grip and a

3415
02:56:17,480 --> 02:56:20,000
Speaker 9: red dot site which we just mentioned for pistols and

3416
02:56:20,040 --> 02:56:22,480
Speaker 9: a thirty round magazine is the thing that is going

3417
02:56:22,480 --> 02:56:25,960
Speaker 9: to be the most I could get anyone. I tell you,

3418
02:56:26,000 --> 02:56:29,040
Speaker 9: anyone capable of hitting it a target at fifty yards

3419
02:56:29,080 --> 02:56:31,720
Speaker 9: within a four hour training session with a red dot

3420
02:56:31,800 --> 02:56:33,760
Speaker 9: side at Air fifteen and a good magazine, it's a

3421
02:56:33,800 --> 02:56:37,920
Speaker 9: good ammunition. Air fifteens are light, low recoil. They're loud

3422
02:56:38,000 --> 02:56:40,360
Speaker 9: because of the five five six, but they're light, low

3423
02:56:40,400 --> 02:56:44,920
Speaker 9: recoil guns that almost any one of most body structure

3424
02:56:45,000 --> 02:56:47,160
Speaker 9: can handle. Now there's exceptions, of course, if you have

3425
02:56:47,200 --> 02:56:49,640
Speaker 9: specific physical challenges that's another discussion.

3426
02:56:49,640 --> 02:56:53,000
Speaker 2: But if almost anyone tiny.

3427
02:56:52,640 --> 02:56:56,440
Speaker 9: To large can handle a basic Air fifteen, and it

3428
02:56:56,520 --> 02:56:59,720
Speaker 9: is the gun that is most focused on for gun control. Ironically,

3429
02:57:00,040 --> 02:57:01,920
Speaker 9: this is like California where they take away things that

3430
02:57:01,959 --> 02:57:05,240
Speaker 9: make it more functional, like no pistol grip or reduce

3431
02:57:05,280 --> 02:57:09,279
Speaker 9: your magazine capacity because they're trying to diminish the functionality

3432
02:57:09,280 --> 02:57:11,360
Speaker 9: of the gun. But the reality is the reason they're

3433
02:57:11,400 --> 02:57:12,800
Speaker 9: doing that is because that is the gun that is

3434
02:57:12,840 --> 02:57:15,400
Speaker 9: most functional for most people, and it is therefore the

3435
02:57:15,400 --> 02:57:19,519
Speaker 9: one that almost anyone can handle pretty well with the smallest.

3436
02:57:19,040 --> 02:57:19,760
Speaker 2: Amount of training.

3437
02:57:19,959 --> 02:57:20,439
Speaker 5: Yeah.

3438
02:57:20,520 --> 02:57:23,320
Speaker 1: Yes, And I think there's a good point there in

3439
02:57:23,760 --> 02:57:26,720
Speaker 1: if I were coaching someone who is buying an AR

3440
02:57:26,920 --> 02:57:30,080
Speaker 1: that has no you know, does not have iron sights

3441
02:57:30,120 --> 02:57:33,439
Speaker 1: on it at all, you are it is much easier

3442
02:57:33,480 --> 02:57:35,320
Speaker 1: to learn how to site in and use a red

3443
02:57:35,360 --> 02:57:38,520
Speaker 1: dot on an AR than learning how to adjust the

3444
02:57:38,520 --> 02:57:42,040
Speaker 1: site the iron sights on an AR fifteen. Right, Like,

3445
02:57:42,160 --> 02:57:44,119
Speaker 1: not that you can't learn that that you should again,

3446
02:57:44,160 --> 02:57:45,879
Speaker 1: you have to, you can watch a video on it,

3447
02:57:45,920 --> 02:57:49,080
Speaker 1: but it's much more intuitive to set up a red

3448
02:57:49,080 --> 02:57:50,120
Speaker 1: dot in that way.

3449
02:57:50,320 --> 02:57:52,200
Speaker 9: This is actually where I would flip flop. If you're

3450
02:57:52,240 --> 02:57:54,600
Speaker 9: with the pistol, don't concern yourself too much of the

3451
02:57:54,640 --> 02:57:57,599
Speaker 9: red dot. If you're going with an AIR fifteen, concern.

3452
02:57:57,280 --> 02:58:00,480
Speaker 2: Yourself with the release. Get a red dot to the opposite. Yeah.

3453
02:58:00,560 --> 02:58:03,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, unless you were like in the Marines or something,

3454
02:58:03,160 --> 02:58:06,080
Speaker 1: and you know how to dial in your irons, right,

3455
02:58:06,840 --> 02:58:08,760
Speaker 1: And even then, you're gonna have a better time with

3456
02:58:08,800 --> 02:58:09,280
Speaker 1: a red dot.

3457
02:58:09,400 --> 02:58:12,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, totally once, and a red dot is very intuitive.

3458
02:58:12,600 --> 02:58:14,720
Speaker 9: So one of the things that people are familiar with firearms,

3459
02:58:14,720 --> 02:58:16,959
Speaker 9: but when you bring up a long arm, there's multiple

3460
02:58:16,959 --> 02:58:19,360
Speaker 9: points of contact to the person shooting the gun. When

3461
02:58:19,360 --> 02:58:21,440
Speaker 9: you bring up a pistol, you probably have two hands

3462
02:58:21,440 --> 02:58:23,360
Speaker 9: on it and you're pushing your arms out almost like

3463
02:58:23,400 --> 02:58:25,880
Speaker 9: you're like making a triangle. When you're using a long

3464
02:58:25,959 --> 02:58:27,840
Speaker 9: arm like an air fifteen, there's a butt stock on

3465
02:58:27,879 --> 02:58:31,080
Speaker 9: your shoulder, your cheek is on the actual comb which

3466
02:58:31,120 --> 02:58:33,280
Speaker 9: is the base of the stock. Your other hand your

3467
02:58:33,320 --> 02:58:35,280
Speaker 9: support hand it's holding the gun up on the front

3468
02:58:35,320 --> 02:58:37,160
Speaker 9: of it. You have a minimum of three points of

3469
02:58:37,200 --> 02:58:40,160
Speaker 9: contact with a red dot. That makes it very stable

3470
02:58:40,560 --> 02:58:42,600
Speaker 9: and easy to get reliable hits. And the red dot

3471
02:58:42,640 --> 02:58:44,800
Speaker 9: means you can keep both eyes open, don't need to

3472
02:58:44,800 --> 02:58:48,360
Speaker 9: worry about the idiosyncrasies of focusing on a front site. Essentially,

3473
02:58:48,440 --> 02:58:50,800
Speaker 9: if it's neuro meaning the dot is regulated to where

3474
02:58:50,800 --> 02:58:53,000
Speaker 9: the gun hits, and you put the dot on the

3475
02:58:53,040 --> 02:58:55,320
Speaker 9: thing and press the trigger without doing something like jerking

3476
02:58:55,360 --> 02:58:56,840
Speaker 9: the gun, you'll hit the target.

3477
02:58:57,120 --> 02:58:59,000
Speaker 2: And so that's why that matters.

3478
02:58:59,640 --> 02:59:03,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, so what sort of budge each people be looking

3479
02:59:03,480 --> 02:59:07,440
Speaker 5: at and like, would you be comfortable recommending, like even

3480
02:59:07,480 --> 02:59:08,760
Speaker 5: brands that they should look at.

3481
02:59:09,920 --> 02:59:11,360
Speaker 9: It all comes down the cost when it comes to

3482
02:59:11,400 --> 02:59:13,320
Speaker 9: AIR fifteen. So you can spend as much money as

3483
02:59:13,360 --> 02:59:16,120
Speaker 9: you want. The reality is I have a video on

3484
02:59:16,160 --> 02:59:18,480
Speaker 9: the channel. Never mind if you like or just like

3485
02:59:18,560 --> 02:59:21,400
Speaker 9: the company. They're one of the ones that really pushed

3486
02:59:21,440 --> 02:59:24,120
Speaker 9: the lower cost products out there. PSA it stands for

3487
02:59:24,160 --> 02:59:26,440
Speaker 9: Palm Models pal Metal State Armory. You can go there

3488
02:59:26,480 --> 02:59:28,720
Speaker 9: and get your branded Trump lower but at the same time,

3489
02:59:28,760 --> 02:59:31,240
Speaker 9: you can get an AR fifteen for like four hundred bucks.

3490
02:59:31,480 --> 02:59:34,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like in the gun space, you're you're not

3491
02:59:34,520 --> 02:59:36,920
Speaker 1: going to find someone to buy who is spotless and

3492
02:59:37,040 --> 02:59:39,240
Speaker 1: selling guns in large numbers cheaply.

3493
02:59:39,400 --> 02:59:43,360
Speaker 9: Yeah, Like that's not so like. So so for four

3494
02:59:43,440 --> 02:59:46,680
Speaker 9: hunderd bucks are around there. From PSA, you can get

3495
02:59:46,720 --> 02:59:49,600
Speaker 9: a traditional what's called an M four. It's essentially a

3496
02:59:49,640 --> 02:59:52,520
Speaker 9: sixteen inch car beam. It won't have any sighting system

3497
02:59:52,560 --> 02:59:55,160
Speaker 9: on it, so expect to throw another two hundred bucks

3498
02:59:55,280 --> 02:59:58,000
Speaker 9: ish onto a reasonable red dot site on that. So

3499
02:59:58,360 --> 03:00:00,879
Speaker 9: for around the six hundred dollars, you're gonna get a

3500
03:00:00,879 --> 03:00:04,959
Speaker 9: gun that's going to weigh seven pounds, but it's gonna

3501
03:00:04,959 --> 03:00:07,480
Speaker 9: have low recoil and you're gonna have something that's for

3502
03:00:07,520 --> 03:00:10,080
Speaker 9: the most part, reasonably reliable. Is it the best of

3503
03:00:10,120 --> 03:00:12,600
Speaker 9: the comp is the best of the best. No, but

3504
03:00:12,640 --> 03:00:15,720
Speaker 9: it's reasonably lightweight. It is well manufactured. I've done videos

3505
03:00:15,720 --> 03:00:19,000
Speaker 9: about them on my channel. They've worked just fine. And

3506
03:00:19,080 --> 03:00:21,800
Speaker 9: so for a foreigner ish for the gun of the

3507
03:00:21,840 --> 03:00:24,720
Speaker 9: two hundred, for the sighting system, a couple mags, you

3508
03:00:24,760 --> 03:00:29,000
Speaker 9: could get out of the door for under seven hundred

3509
03:00:29,000 --> 03:00:31,920
Speaker 9: dollars with everything probably under that, maybe under six hundred

3510
03:00:31,959 --> 03:00:32,800
Speaker 9: even if you're careful.

3511
03:00:33,160 --> 03:00:34,400
Speaker 2: Oh but let me plug one thing.

3512
03:00:34,400 --> 03:00:36,480
Speaker 9: If you've got lots and lots more money, double that

3513
03:00:36,680 --> 03:00:38,760
Speaker 9: you get what would Starner do carbon which I designed.

3514
03:00:38,800 --> 03:00:42,440
Speaker 9: It'll be half the weight and super reliable from Katie Arms.

3515
03:00:42,480 --> 03:00:43,320
Speaker 1: But I love mine.

3516
03:00:43,360 --> 03:00:44,880
Speaker 2: Doesn't bring any money to me. I'm just saying.

3517
03:00:44,920 --> 03:00:47,560
Speaker 9: The point I'm making here is you can get something

3518
03:00:47,600 --> 03:00:49,440
Speaker 9: good enough, and if you've got more money, there is

3519
03:00:49,480 --> 03:00:52,160
Speaker 9: better out there that are lighter, more reliable guns.

3520
03:00:52,640 --> 03:00:54,199
Speaker 5: But you don't need to is my point.

3521
03:00:54,200 --> 03:00:55,480
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to sell anything here.

3522
03:00:55,600 --> 03:00:57,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, they are one of the few manufacturers who offer

3523
03:00:58,120 --> 03:01:01,000
Speaker 5: like a California Compliance Solution check out, which is nice

3524
03:01:01,000 --> 03:01:02,119
Speaker 5: for California people.

3525
03:01:02,680 --> 03:01:05,560
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, so that can be a really beneficial thing

3526
03:01:05,560 --> 03:01:07,840
Speaker 1: to you in terms of, you know, not having it

3527
03:01:07,920 --> 03:01:10,320
Speaker 1: the something that you're scared about.

3528
03:01:10,560 --> 03:01:15,160
Speaker 9: California Compliant will probably mean no flash hider, no pistol grim,

3529
03:01:15,240 --> 03:01:17,400
Speaker 9: and a fixed magazine at least at this point in time.

3530
03:01:17,560 --> 03:01:21,200
Speaker 5: You can have the removabal magazine if you don't have

3531
03:01:21,320 --> 03:01:23,640
Speaker 5: the flash height of the pistol grip and the collapsing stock.

3532
03:01:23,879 --> 03:01:25,080
Speaker 2: So okay, all.

3533
03:01:25,040 --> 03:01:27,360
Speaker 9: Right, Well, if you can buy it from them ready

3534
03:01:27,360 --> 03:01:31,400
Speaker 9: to go, there's I know, there's also magazine capacity requirements

3535
03:01:31,520 --> 03:01:32,879
Speaker 9: or in so maybe you have.

3536
03:01:32,920 --> 03:01:34,800
Speaker 2: To buy like a couple ten round bags or something

3537
03:01:34,840 --> 03:01:35,000
Speaker 2: like that.

3538
03:01:35,080 --> 03:01:35,280
Speaker 21: Yeah.

3539
03:01:35,320 --> 03:01:38,000
Speaker 9: Yeah, obviously thirty round bags are better than ten round bags,

3540
03:01:38,160 --> 03:01:41,120
Speaker 9: and for mostly if you live in a place like California,

3541
03:01:41,200 --> 03:01:43,120
Speaker 9: do not worry too much about that. If you get

3542
03:01:43,160 --> 03:01:45,800
Speaker 9: a little proficiency on that, a couple ten round bags

3543
03:01:45,840 --> 03:01:46,360
Speaker 9: will do a lot.

3544
03:01:46,720 --> 03:01:49,879
Speaker 1: And to be honest, in self defense shootings, the odds

3545
03:01:49,920 --> 03:01:52,600
Speaker 1: are load that you will be firing that many rounds

3546
03:01:52,720 --> 03:01:57,160
Speaker 1: right now. If you're in a self defense shooting where

3547
03:01:57,200 --> 03:01:59,640
Speaker 1: you do need more bullets than that, there's really nothing

3548
03:01:59,640 --> 03:02:02,599
Speaker 1: that can replace having those bullets you know available.

3549
03:02:02,680 --> 03:02:05,440
Speaker 5: But yeah, don't get reptrondiacs on it like it's not

3550
03:02:05,520 --> 03:02:06,720
Speaker 5: something you can change.

3551
03:02:07,400 --> 03:02:09,280
Speaker 1: The fact that you only have a ten round magazine

3552
03:02:09,280 --> 03:02:11,279
Speaker 1: does not mean that you can't become proficient.

3553
03:02:11,520 --> 03:02:12,840
Speaker 9: Yeah, and I don't want anyone here to think that

3554
03:02:12,840 --> 03:02:14,200
Speaker 9: I'm saying you shouldn't. You should be able to got

3555
03:02:14,200 --> 03:02:16,360
Speaker 9: six ye round magazine. As far as I'm concerned, places

3556
03:02:16,400 --> 03:02:20,240
Speaker 9: like California to have these restrictions have them statistically speaking,

3557
03:02:20,280 --> 03:02:21,960
Speaker 9: and I don't know if these this date has changed.

3558
03:02:22,440 --> 03:02:26,359
Speaker 9: Most self defense shootings happen within three yards, three seconds,

3559
03:02:26,360 --> 03:02:27,160
Speaker 9: three shots fired.

3560
03:02:27,240 --> 03:02:29,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, yep, yeah, yep. I think it's really good to

3561
03:02:29,840 --> 03:02:32,119
Speaker 5: remember that when you are seeing some YouTube they tell

3562
03:02:32,160 --> 03:02:34,840
Speaker 5: you you need to be able to have thirty rounds

3563
03:02:34,879 --> 03:02:36,400
Speaker 5: in five five hundred yards.

3564
03:02:36,480 --> 03:02:40,279
Speaker 1: I don't go downtown without my backpack and my SBRD

3565
03:02:40,320 --> 03:02:44,720
Speaker 1: three hundred black at with six thirty round magazine accessible.

3566
03:02:45,440 --> 03:02:47,120
Speaker 5: In conservative man scat of cities.

3567
03:02:47,280 --> 03:02:50,080
Speaker 9: Yeah yeah, I carry an RPG and I take the

3568
03:02:50,120 --> 03:02:52,600
Speaker 9: little safety cap off because I like to live that way.

3569
03:02:52,760 --> 03:02:57,080
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, dangerously. Now my clothing is made out

3570
03:02:57,080 --> 03:02:59,959
Speaker 1: of debt cord. I just wear nothing but debt cord.

3571
03:03:00,040 --> 03:03:02,080
Speaker 1: Wherever I go, we're all going down.

3572
03:03:02,440 --> 03:03:03,720
Speaker 5: At least you take some people with you.

3573
03:03:04,000 --> 03:03:05,080
Speaker 2: It's all city blocks, the.

3574
03:03:06,840 --> 03:03:08,000
Speaker 5: Self defense mantad in.

3575
03:03:08,240 --> 03:03:09,720
Speaker 2: But let me say one more thing about long arms.

3576
03:03:09,720 --> 03:03:11,280
Speaker 9: Another thing you'll see from people that are new in

3577
03:03:11,280 --> 03:03:14,080
Speaker 9: the space, depending on what they've seen or what they've consumed.

3578
03:03:14,680 --> 03:03:17,240
Speaker 2: This is going to get some hate. Don't bother with AK, Yeah,

3579
03:03:17,400 --> 03:03:17,800
Speaker 2: just don't.

3580
03:03:17,959 --> 03:03:20,680
Speaker 9: This is the United States of America, and this country

3581
03:03:20,680 --> 03:03:22,720
Speaker 9: believes in the air fifteen. And what that boiled down

3582
03:03:22,760 --> 03:03:23,680
Speaker 9: to is they're everywhere.

3583
03:03:23,680 --> 03:03:24,279
Speaker 2: They're prolific.

3584
03:03:24,320 --> 03:03:27,519
Speaker 9: The parts are here, the repairs here, they're well manufactured.

3585
03:03:27,800 --> 03:03:30,160
Speaker 9: When you stray from that course to something like an AK,

3586
03:03:30,840 --> 03:03:32,560
Speaker 9: you're first of all, you're losing aeronomics.

3587
03:03:32,600 --> 03:03:33,520
Speaker 2: But that's a different problem.

3588
03:03:33,680 --> 03:03:37,920
Speaker 9: You're dealing with an unknown quantity of problems.

3589
03:03:38,080 --> 03:03:40,520
Speaker 2: You get an air fifteen. That's what's in this country.

3590
03:03:40,520 --> 03:03:43,000
Speaker 2: It's what's prolific. If you were in if you were

3591
03:03:43,040 --> 03:03:47,880
Speaker 2: in somewhere war torn Africa, get your AK here.

3592
03:03:48,160 --> 03:03:51,320
Speaker 1: I'll say this about the war torn AK countries because

3593
03:03:51,360 --> 03:03:54,440
Speaker 1: I've been in three countries where the primary arm is

3594
03:03:54,480 --> 03:03:58,560
Speaker 1: an AK M right like a kind of AK right Siri, Ukraine,

3595
03:03:58,560 --> 03:04:01,840
Speaker 1: in Iraq. In all three of those countries, every soldier

3596
03:04:01,920 --> 03:04:04,600
Speaker 1: who knew their stuff, who was proficient and had the

3597
03:04:04,640 --> 03:04:07,959
Speaker 1: option chosen AR platform. If they could get one hundred

3598
03:04:07,959 --> 03:04:10,640
Speaker 1: percent of the time, they're just better fire arms.

3599
03:04:10,720 --> 03:04:12,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's been my experience as well.

3600
03:04:12,520 --> 03:04:14,960
Speaker 9: They look cool, but but but don't go yeah, just

3601
03:04:15,000 --> 03:04:16,560
Speaker 9: get an air fore Yeah.

3602
03:04:16,600 --> 03:04:19,600
Speaker 1: Like I love my ak's, but they're they're range fun toys,

3603
03:04:19,760 --> 03:04:22,759
Speaker 1: right like. Yeah, So let's talk about.

3604
03:04:23,000 --> 03:04:26,040
Speaker 5: Accessorizing, which again is much easier with ais and aks. Like,

3605
03:04:26,480 --> 03:04:28,880
Speaker 5: what other stuff do you need to build into your budget?

3606
03:04:28,879 --> 03:04:31,840
Speaker 5: If you've not shot before, you might not know that

3607
03:04:31,920 --> 03:04:35,640
Speaker 5: you need a pro ipro sling, maybe haulster.

3608
03:04:36,000 --> 03:04:38,360
Speaker 9: Well, we'll start with the firearms accessories, right, So with

3609
03:04:38,440 --> 03:04:41,080
Speaker 9: the pistol. First of all, we talked about safe storage,

3610
03:04:41,080 --> 03:04:44,200
Speaker 9: so that's already off the table. With the pistol, if

3611
03:04:44,200 --> 03:04:46,600
Speaker 9: you plan to carry it, you need a good reliable

3612
03:04:46,640 --> 03:04:50,240
Speaker 9: holster and a good reliable gun belt. Good lord, Yes,

3613
03:04:50,760 --> 03:04:52,680
Speaker 9: depending on how you want to carry it, that'll determine

3614
03:04:52,680 --> 03:04:55,040
Speaker 9: the kind of holster. If you want an outside the waistband,

3615
03:04:55,040 --> 03:04:57,440
Speaker 9: which means it sits outside your belt, that's one thing.

3616
03:04:57,480 --> 03:05:00,000
Speaker 9: If you're carrying it concealed, you're probably going to want

3617
03:05:00,040 --> 03:05:01,520
Speaker 9: on an inside the waistbund which.

3618
03:05:01,400 --> 03:05:04,000
Speaker 2: Goes between your belt and your body.

3619
03:05:04,280 --> 03:05:06,360
Speaker 9: Again under the level of training there, because when you're

3620
03:05:06,440 --> 03:05:08,039
Speaker 9: drawing from that, things can go wrong.

3621
03:05:08,160 --> 03:05:10,280
Speaker 2: Sure, and that's where people tend to shoot themselves. So

3622
03:05:10,320 --> 03:05:11,800
Speaker 2: that's what you needed to be very cautious of.

3623
03:05:12,160 --> 03:05:15,360
Speaker 9: H But with a pithtol typically you're gonna want probably

3624
03:05:15,400 --> 03:05:17,600
Speaker 9: an extra magazine or two. It may come with one,

3625
03:05:17,640 --> 03:05:20,160
Speaker 9: depending on what you bought. A quality gun belt and

3626
03:05:20,200 --> 03:05:21,040
Speaker 9: a quality holster.

3627
03:05:22,120 --> 03:05:25,320
Speaker 1: Now what about what about a forty four derringer and

3628
03:05:25,360 --> 03:05:28,000
Speaker 1: an ankle holster on each ankle, right like that seems

3629
03:05:28,040 --> 03:05:30,600
Speaker 1: like the ideal solution. Anytime you're in danger. You just

3630
03:05:30,640 --> 03:05:33,360
Speaker 1: got a squat right down there, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, no.

3631
03:05:33,600 --> 03:05:37,920
Speaker 9: Get real low, yeah, especially when you've been pushed pushed

3632
03:05:37,920 --> 03:05:41,880
Speaker 9: onto your back by the mob and you're there on

3633
03:05:41,879 --> 03:05:43,879
Speaker 9: that scene and you're pulling it out of your ankleholester.

3634
03:05:44,000 --> 03:05:48,199
Speaker 1: Yeah right, no, no, no, just get a wire around

3635
03:05:48,240 --> 03:05:50,120
Speaker 1: the trigger and attach it to your toes so that

3636
03:05:50,200 --> 03:05:52,279
Speaker 1: you can squeeze your toes and fire detention.

3637
03:05:52,560 --> 03:05:55,840
Speaker 9: What you need is the belt buckle revolver from North

3638
03:05:55,879 --> 03:05:56,680
Speaker 9: American UMS.

3639
03:05:56,760 --> 03:05:59,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is great. Yeah. No, from that freaking movie,

3640
03:06:00,200 --> 03:06:01,760
Speaker 2: the vampire movie Quinn Tarantino.

3641
03:06:02,320 --> 03:06:05,040
Speaker 1: Oh geez, still that's still done.

3642
03:06:05,160 --> 03:06:09,720
Speaker 9: God yeah, no, before the pin belt, a magazine or

3643
03:06:09,720 --> 03:06:12,600
Speaker 9: two extra it might come with them, and a quality holster. Now,

3644
03:06:12,640 --> 03:06:15,160
Speaker 9: the obvious question is what's a quality holster, And the

3645
03:06:15,200 --> 03:06:17,200
Speaker 9: obvious answer is there's too many out there to be

3646
03:06:17,240 --> 03:06:19,959
Speaker 9: able to offer you that answer right now. Probably something

3647
03:06:20,000 --> 03:06:22,400
Speaker 9: polymer if it's going to be outside the waistband. And

3648
03:06:22,440 --> 03:06:24,960
Speaker 9: this will be another one that'll get people fired up. Generally,

3649
03:06:25,000 --> 03:06:27,840
Speaker 9: avoid the surpa holsters unless you really want to have

3650
03:06:27,840 --> 03:06:29,600
Speaker 9: a lot of training. Surple holsters are one that have

3651
03:06:29,600 --> 03:06:31,840
Speaker 9: a little button on the side that allows the gun

3652
03:06:31,920 --> 03:06:33,879
Speaker 9: to come out if you're not trained well or have

3653
03:06:33,920 --> 03:06:35,840
Speaker 9: the wrong gun in it. It also allows you to accidentally

3654
03:06:35,840 --> 03:06:37,240
Speaker 9: shoot yourself quite easily as well.

3655
03:06:37,320 --> 03:06:40,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, best avoided. That's a very good point. And also

3656
03:06:41,360 --> 03:06:43,879
Speaker 1: one thing I will note is there's a danger that

3657
03:06:43,920 --> 03:06:45,960
Speaker 1: a lot of people aren't aware of with leather, which

3658
03:06:46,000 --> 03:06:48,200
Speaker 1: is that leather holsters. Now, there are some leather holsters

3659
03:06:48,200 --> 03:06:51,240
Speaker 1: that have like a trigger area reinforced with kaidex, which is,

3660
03:06:51,360 --> 03:06:54,760
Speaker 1: you know, a rigid, plasticky substance. But if it's not

3661
03:06:55,040 --> 03:06:58,440
Speaker 1: in time, those can start to like get weaker and

3662
03:06:58,879 --> 03:07:01,280
Speaker 1: warn in such a way that it can also cause

3663
03:07:01,320 --> 03:07:03,640
Speaker 1: it to press the trigger when you holster it. Like

3664
03:07:03,680 --> 03:07:06,480
Speaker 1: that's a thing that has happened to people. So I

3665
03:07:06,840 --> 03:07:10,520
Speaker 1: generally think you want whatever you want the trigger guard

3666
03:07:10,640 --> 03:07:13,680
Speaker 1: to be rigid and not something that's going to like

3667
03:07:14,720 --> 03:07:17,720
Speaker 1: warp and be malleable around the trigger. Right, Like the

3668
03:07:17,720 --> 03:07:19,879
Speaker 1: whole point is that it stops the trigger from fire.

3669
03:07:20,040 --> 03:07:22,360
Speaker 5: Yes, this you want to avoid that. How about with

3670
03:07:22,480 --> 03:07:25,200
Speaker 5: the with the long dens, Like, what are you going

3671
03:07:25,280 --> 03:07:28,840
Speaker 5: to need to budget for those? And then other things

3672
03:07:28,920 --> 03:07:31,280
Speaker 5: like for shooting Germany that you'll need if you don't

3673
03:07:31,280 --> 03:07:32,160
Speaker 5: already have then.

3674
03:07:32,240 --> 03:07:33,760
Speaker 9: So when it comes to the long arm, we already

3675
03:07:33,760 --> 03:07:35,600
Speaker 9: said if you're going to get an air fifteen, you're

3676
03:07:35,600 --> 03:07:37,280
Speaker 9: going to want to stick some sort of red odd

3677
03:07:37,360 --> 03:07:40,280
Speaker 9: side on it. The lowest cost ones that are the

3678
03:07:40,680 --> 03:07:45,640
Speaker 9: unbelievably bomb proof are a Chinese company called Hollow Song. Hell, yeah,

3679
03:07:45,720 --> 03:07:47,840
Speaker 9: I have a hollow Sun from twenty seventeen that is

3680
03:07:48,240 --> 03:07:49,480
Speaker 9: still works just fine.

3681
03:07:49,520 --> 03:07:50,680
Speaker 1: I love my hollow Suns.

3682
03:07:50,800 --> 03:07:54,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, my hollow Sun's been bounced down a asshall road

3683
03:07:54,040 --> 03:07:55,000
Speaker 2: and it still works fine.

3684
03:07:55,080 --> 03:07:57,959
Speaker 1: So it's the opposite of a fail sun a hollow sun.

3685
03:07:59,280 --> 03:08:01,240
Speaker 9: So you can pick up red dot hollows on those

3686
03:08:01,280 --> 03:08:04,000
Speaker 9: can go in. You can get those sometimes sometimes that

3687
03:08:04,120 --> 03:08:05,680
Speaker 9: low is like one hundred and fifty bucks.

3688
03:08:06,000 --> 03:08:07,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you'll need a red dot site.

3689
03:08:07,959 --> 03:08:11,680
Speaker 9: A sling is nice, not required, especially if you're going

3690
03:08:11,720 --> 03:08:14,520
Speaker 9: to be using within the premises of your property. You

3691
03:08:14,560 --> 03:08:17,680
Speaker 9: probably don't need to worry about that. It Also, slings

3692
03:08:17,720 --> 03:08:20,400
Speaker 9: can cause issues like get caught on things or on

3693
03:08:20,560 --> 03:08:22,240
Speaker 9: things in your house or even tangle you up, So

3694
03:08:22,280 --> 03:08:25,600
Speaker 9: that's a training issue. So sling is iffy. An extra

3695
03:08:25,680 --> 03:08:28,960
Speaker 9: magazine or two. And if you're planning on needing to

3696
03:08:29,040 --> 03:08:31,400
Speaker 9: use this for a defensive purpose inside of your home

3697
03:08:31,520 --> 03:08:34,200
Speaker 9: or structure or at night, it's not the worst thing

3698
03:08:34,200 --> 03:08:35,560
Speaker 9: in the world to throw on a flashlight.

3699
03:08:35,840 --> 03:08:41,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, especially if it's like a defensive firearm like

3700
03:08:42,360 --> 03:08:45,440
Speaker 1: it's your home defense gun or a carry gun like

3701
03:08:45,480 --> 03:08:48,120
Speaker 1: a flashlight. And also if you're I think it's generally

3702
03:08:48,120 --> 03:08:50,760
Speaker 1: a good idea if you're going to carry a carry

3703
03:08:50,800 --> 03:08:53,840
Speaker 1: firearm with a flashlight, have another flashlight that's not on

3704
03:08:53,879 --> 03:08:56,560
Speaker 1: a gun, because one thing you should never do is

3705
03:08:56,680 --> 03:08:59,520
Speaker 1: use your gun flashlight to look at just random shit.

3706
03:08:59,440 --> 03:09:00,600
Speaker 2: That you need a flash light.

3707
03:09:00,720 --> 03:09:03,440
Speaker 9: Bark, you come home at night in the dark, you forgot,

3708
03:09:03,520 --> 03:09:05,720
Speaker 9: you forgot, you can't find which key is the right.

3709
03:09:06,040 --> 03:09:10,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're using gun. Yeah, don't do that. Don't do that.

3710
03:09:11,360 --> 03:09:15,240
Speaker 5: Don't do that. That's a pretty good list of accessories set.

3711
03:09:15,320 --> 03:09:17,520
Speaker 5: Make sure you have a lad, air and eye protection

3712
03:09:17,640 --> 03:09:18,039
Speaker 5: as well.

3713
03:09:18,400 --> 03:09:20,440
Speaker 9: So we're gonna go all the safety side of things.

3714
03:09:20,440 --> 03:09:23,120
Speaker 9: You need proper shooting glasses. That means not the glasses

3715
03:09:23,120 --> 03:09:25,600
Speaker 9: that you picked up for readers at Walgreen. If they're

3716
03:09:25,600 --> 03:09:28,000
Speaker 9: shooting glasses can be as cheap as nine bucks, all

3717
03:09:28,040 --> 03:09:29,119
Speaker 9: the way up to hundreds of bucks.

3718
03:09:29,120 --> 03:09:30,560
Speaker 2: You can get them at the sporting good store.

3719
03:09:30,720 --> 03:09:33,240
Speaker 9: But they're designed with the kind of plastic to be

3720
03:09:33,280 --> 03:09:36,879
Speaker 9: able to take shrapnel or hits from pieces of fragments

3721
03:09:37,120 --> 03:09:38,119
Speaker 9: that are high velocity.

3722
03:09:38,160 --> 03:09:41,360
Speaker 2: They're meant for that. So ten dollars shooting glasses, yes,

3723
03:09:41,400 --> 03:09:45,120
Speaker 2: you need. Yes. Hearing protection. Those can be squishy earplugs

3724
03:09:45,160 --> 03:09:46,920
Speaker 2: you put in your ear, or they can be over

3725
03:09:46,959 --> 03:09:50,680
Speaker 2: the head. Moths do not ever shoot guns except in

3726
03:09:50,720 --> 03:09:54,840
Speaker 2: the most critical conditions or situations without eye protection and

3727
03:09:54,920 --> 03:09:57,360
Speaker 2: hearing protection, because that's the kind of stuff where you

3728
03:09:57,400 --> 03:09:59,680
Speaker 2: lose an eye and every time you fire that gun,

3729
03:09:59,680 --> 03:10:01,279
Speaker 2: you lose and hearing every.

3730
03:10:01,000 --> 03:10:06,280
Speaker 1: Time, yes, yes, and like for the really because obviously

3731
03:10:06,400 --> 03:10:09,680
Speaker 1: most like it hurts to shoot a firearm without hearing protection.

3732
03:10:10,520 --> 03:10:13,120
Speaker 1: Like you can get away with shooting a gun without

3733
03:10:13,200 --> 03:10:15,959
Speaker 1: EyePro every time, but the one time, right, which is

3734
03:10:15,959 --> 03:10:19,800
Speaker 1: why I really emphasize eye protection. It's easy to convince

3735
03:10:19,840 --> 03:10:22,039
Speaker 1: yourself I don't need to have it on right now?

3736
03:10:22,160 --> 03:10:25,200
Speaker 2: You do, yeah, like, because that's the day that it

3737
03:10:25,240 --> 03:10:25,879
Speaker 2: does the thing.

3738
03:10:26,440 --> 03:10:30,920
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, guns do fuck up, for lack of a

3739
03:10:30,920 --> 03:10:34,720
Speaker 1: better term, and you really don't want your eye unprotected

3740
03:10:34,760 --> 03:10:35,200
Speaker 1: if they do.

3741
03:10:35,400 --> 03:10:38,480
Speaker 26: Yeah, it's it's a bad day, absolutely, and so but

3742
03:10:38,640 --> 03:10:41,960
Speaker 26: you on the safety side of eye protection and hearing protection,

3743
03:10:42,200 --> 03:10:44,440
Speaker 26: it can be as cheap as ten dollars shooting glasses

3744
03:10:44,440 --> 03:10:46,840
Speaker 26: and a bottle of the squishy earplugs.

3745
03:10:47,080 --> 03:10:49,199
Speaker 5: You're gonna be in there for twenty bucks. Yeah, yeah,

3746
03:10:49,280 --> 03:10:51,480
Speaker 5: it doesn't have to be expensive. Make sure you have

3747
03:10:51,520 --> 03:10:53,000
Speaker 5: it and make sure you use it.

3748
03:10:53,200 --> 03:10:54,640
Speaker 9: But you know what, before you do any of this,

3749
03:10:54,720 --> 03:10:56,200
Speaker 9: you know what's a smart thing to do. Go take

3750
03:10:56,240 --> 03:10:57,760
Speaker 9: a class from Stop the Bleed and learn how to

3751
03:10:57,800 --> 03:10:59,720
Speaker 9: use turn a kIPS and medical gear. Yeah, and have

3752
03:10:59,760 --> 03:11:02,080
Speaker 9: that around anyway, before you ever buy a gun, go

3753
03:11:02,120 --> 03:11:02,320
Speaker 9: do that.

3754
03:11:02,480 --> 03:11:04,680
Speaker 2: Yes, a mess. That's the most important thing you could

3755
03:11:04,680 --> 03:11:05,240
Speaker 2: do for anyone.

3756
03:11:05,440 --> 03:11:08,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, And that, as you said, should be a

3757
03:11:08,680 --> 03:11:11,560
Speaker 1: priority before getting the firearm. And if you have the

3758
03:11:11,640 --> 03:11:14,040
Speaker 1: money to get and train a gun, you have no

3759
03:11:14,160 --> 03:11:17,240
Speaker 1: excuse for not having an individual first aid kit an

3760
03:11:17,240 --> 03:11:19,760
Speaker 1: IFAC and the knowledge of how to use it.

3761
03:11:20,120 --> 03:11:22,760
Speaker 9: Right, And I think Stop the Bleed classes are usually free.

3762
03:11:22,800 --> 03:11:24,440
Speaker 9: You can look it up and stop the Bleed dot

3763
03:11:24,480 --> 03:11:25,320
Speaker 9: com or dot org.

3764
03:11:25,480 --> 03:11:27,560
Speaker 2: Google it. Take a class that's chasy.

3765
03:11:27,600 --> 03:11:29,640
Speaker 9: How to use a tourniquet, use how to use a bandage,

3766
03:11:29,920 --> 03:11:31,840
Speaker 9: have an ifact as was just mentioned, which can be

3767
03:11:31,840 --> 03:11:32,720
Speaker 9: a pretty simple kit.

3768
03:11:32,840 --> 03:11:32,920
Speaker 3: Ye.

3769
03:11:33,080 --> 03:11:35,119
Speaker 9: And as you said, Robert, if you can afford a gun,

3770
03:11:35,160 --> 03:11:37,440
Speaker 9: you can afford that and have that with you on

3771
03:11:37,480 --> 03:11:39,680
Speaker 9: the range anytime you're shooting, because as you said, guns

3772
03:11:39,720 --> 03:11:42,280
Speaker 9: can fuck up. They usually don't, but if they do,

3773
03:11:42,560 --> 03:11:44,840
Speaker 9: you're gonna want that IFAC and that IFAC and that

3774
03:11:44,879 --> 03:11:47,480
Speaker 9: training might just help your neighbor one day when they get.

3775
03:11:47,360 --> 03:11:48,800
Speaker 2: In a car accident or whatever.

3776
03:11:49,320 --> 03:11:52,520
Speaker 1: I regularly make the decision not to carry my gun

3777
03:11:52,680 --> 03:11:54,640
Speaker 1: with me places. Right, you know, I'm going to go

3778
03:11:54,680 --> 03:11:56,360
Speaker 1: out and get drunk tonight I don't need if I

3779
03:11:56,400 --> 03:11:58,560
Speaker 1: have a firearm onde me when I'm drunk. But you

3780
03:11:58,560 --> 03:12:01,080
Speaker 1: know what I always have is the I fact right

3781
03:12:01,200 --> 03:12:04,560
Speaker 1: every single time. You know, because number one drunk with

3782
03:12:04,600 --> 03:12:05,480
Speaker 1: an IFAC, I'm no.

3783
03:12:05,920 --> 03:12:06,560
Speaker 2: I might, I'm.

3784
03:12:06,440 --> 03:12:11,039
Speaker 1: Probably less effective, but I'm not going to endanger anyone.

3785
03:12:11,160 --> 03:12:12,520
Speaker 1: You're just like, hey, buddy, I think you need a

3786
03:12:12,560 --> 03:12:16,760
Speaker 1: parn kit. He's like, no, give me here. Google said,

3787
03:12:16,800 --> 03:12:18,040
Speaker 1: this goes around the neck.

3788
03:12:20,280 --> 03:12:21,520
Speaker 2: But once again, a.

3789
03:12:21,560 --> 03:12:24,320
Speaker 9: Sotoppable class on an IPAC is more likely to serve

3790
03:12:24,400 --> 03:12:26,600
Speaker 9: you or your community more than any gun ever will.

3791
03:12:26,760 --> 03:12:26,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

3792
03:12:27,040 --> 03:12:29,119
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's a great place. I would say

3793
03:12:29,120 --> 03:12:31,760
Speaker 5: that if you are going down this pathway and you're

3794
03:12:31,800 --> 03:12:35,640
Speaker 5: looking to join openly leftist gun organizations, there are several, right,

3795
03:12:35,720 --> 03:12:39,160
Speaker 5: John Brown Gun Club, Socialist Rifle Association, We've had those

3796
03:12:39,200 --> 03:12:42,400
Speaker 5: people on a show before. Be cautious when you're doing that,

3797
03:12:42,440 --> 03:12:44,840
Speaker 5: and keep an eye on things because that could be

3798
03:12:44,879 --> 03:12:48,440
Speaker 5: something that might get you into into trouble in the

3799
03:12:48,440 --> 03:12:51,200
Speaker 5: long run. So it's something to be aware of.

3800
03:12:51,840 --> 03:12:53,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it might be good to just put a holder

3801
03:12:54,000 --> 03:12:56,800
Speaker 1: on joining a new organization until we're a few months

3802
03:12:56,800 --> 03:12:57,360
Speaker 1: into this.

3803
03:12:57,640 --> 03:12:59,200
Speaker 2: Thing coming up next year.

3804
03:12:59,680 --> 03:13:02,600
Speaker 1: Maybe I have an idea about what kind of things

3805
03:13:02,680 --> 03:13:04,560
Speaker 1: might be safe and what kind of things might be

3806
03:13:04,640 --> 03:13:05,160
Speaker 1: less safe.

3807
03:13:05,160 --> 03:13:07,680
Speaker 9: Definitely no, But none of that stops you from using signal,

3808
03:13:07,720 --> 03:13:10,959
Speaker 9: building community and learning how to use a firearm properly.

3809
03:13:10,720 --> 03:13:14,480
Speaker 1: Right at meeting people, yes, and like training with them,

3810
03:13:14,680 --> 03:13:19,200
Speaker 1: you know, and taking getting training, building proficiency. Absolutely, all

3811
03:13:19,200 --> 03:13:22,680
Speaker 1: of that is legal and will remain legal. Just don't

3812
03:13:22,720 --> 03:13:25,360
Speaker 1: start if anyone ever talks to you about let's make

3813
03:13:25,400 --> 03:13:28,960
Speaker 1: a militia, do that. It's time to leave that conversation,

3814
03:13:29,240 --> 03:13:31,120
Speaker 1: right because, among other things, at this point there's a

3815
03:13:31,120 --> 03:13:32,360
Speaker 1: good chance they're the FBI.

3816
03:13:34,280 --> 03:13:36,280
Speaker 5: If you live in Michigan, do not.

3817
03:13:36,800 --> 03:13:39,959
Speaker 9: Yeah yeah, this podcast brought to you by co Intel pro.

3818
03:13:41,879 --> 03:13:45,800
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, that's great.

3819
03:13:45,800 --> 03:13:46,959
Speaker 2: But I mean it's a tough challenge.

3820
03:13:47,040 --> 03:13:48,640
Speaker 9: So the other thing you can do is also, once

3821
03:13:48,680 --> 03:13:50,800
Speaker 9: you've got your basic proficiency up and you know that

3822
03:13:50,879 --> 03:13:53,840
Speaker 9: you are safe in terms of handling things, let me

3823
03:13:53,840 --> 03:13:55,400
Speaker 9: throw this out there too. It doesn't have to be

3824
03:13:56,040 --> 03:13:58,560
Speaker 9: any specific one. Although remember you're going into a space

3825
03:13:58,600 --> 03:14:00,000
Speaker 9: that may not be political.

3826
03:14:00,400 --> 03:14:01,440
Speaker 2: Your comfortable place.

3827
03:14:02,120 --> 03:14:04,200
Speaker 9: A good place to build up skill is to go

3828
03:14:04,280 --> 03:14:05,960
Speaker 9: shoot matches competitions.

3829
03:14:06,080 --> 03:14:09,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, for the most part, it's business oriented. You'll see.

3830
03:14:09,360 --> 03:14:11,760
Speaker 9: You'll hear some stupid comments here or there, depending on

3831
03:14:11,800 --> 03:14:13,400
Speaker 9: what match you're at, but the reality is you're not

3832
03:14:13,440 --> 03:14:15,360
Speaker 9: there for that. You're there to get better with your

3833
03:14:15,360 --> 03:14:17,080
Speaker 9: gun on a course of fire that they put up

3834
03:14:17,080 --> 03:14:18,960
Speaker 9: for you. Pay your ten bucks or twenty bucks and

3835
03:14:19,000 --> 03:14:21,600
Speaker 9: learn how to shoot better in those conditions. And that's

3836
03:14:21,640 --> 03:14:24,520
Speaker 9: another space to once the basic trainings out of the way,

3837
03:14:24,520 --> 03:14:26,560
Speaker 9: don't go to a match the b training. Use the

3838
03:14:26,600 --> 03:14:29,400
Speaker 9: match to help increase your skill after you've gotten training.

3839
03:14:29,640 --> 03:14:31,640
Speaker 9: But those matches can be a place to really help

3840
03:14:31,680 --> 03:14:33,240
Speaker 9: you out a lot. And there's a lot of them

3841
03:14:33,280 --> 03:14:35,440
Speaker 9: around and those are easier to find than almost anything.

3842
03:14:35,720 --> 03:14:38,200
Speaker 5: Yep, practice scores where you can lick them up if

3843
03:14:38,240 --> 03:14:40,520
Speaker 5: you're into that kind of thing. Excellent, Thanks very much

3844
03:14:40,560 --> 03:14:42,200
Speaker 5: for joining us, Kyle. Do you want to very briefly

3845
03:14:42,240 --> 03:14:45,040
Speaker 5: plug your YouTube channel. Where can people find you?

3846
03:14:45,280 --> 03:14:45,440
Speaker 23: Well?

3847
03:14:45,520 --> 03:14:47,160
Speaker 9: Sure, and thank you for having me on the show.

3848
03:14:47,200 --> 03:14:49,280
Speaker 9: It's always a treat. I really appreciate it. It's always

3849
03:14:49,280 --> 03:14:50,480
Speaker 9: great to be able to just to hang out with

3850
03:14:50,520 --> 03:14:54,080
Speaker 9: you both do it more often. You can find my

3851
03:14:54,200 --> 03:14:56,600
Speaker 9: work It's in Range TV. You can find my website

3852
03:14:56,640 --> 03:15:01,480
Speaker 9: at range dot tv. I'm distributed decentralize a multiple platforms,

3853
03:15:01,480 --> 03:15:05,680
Speaker 9: a predominant one being YouTube. Cover everything from civil rights history,

3854
03:15:05,800 --> 03:15:09,880
Speaker 9: human rights to firearms to from old West flintlocks up

3855
03:15:09,879 --> 03:15:12,320
Speaker 9: to the most modern machine guns across the channel. Some

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Speaker 9: of it is instructional, some of its history. And I've

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Speaker 9: got a cool video dropping tomorrow, in fact, well tomorrow

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Speaker 9: based on when we're recording this on the Opium Wars

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Speaker 9: and how Britain and China's firearms technology discrepancy caused Hong

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Speaker 9: Kong to be owned by Britain. That's the kind of

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Speaker 9: stuff I do on my channel, So check that out.

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Speaker 9: And if you want to find matches that are going

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Speaker 9: to be a place that is truly an inclusive space,

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Speaker 9: we do run matches called Brutality Matches.

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Speaker 2: You can find them at brutalitymatches dot org.

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Speaker 9: They're not monthly, we have run a couple of them

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Speaker 9: across the country, but I can guarantee you that's the

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Speaker 9: space you will feel comfortable because we make.

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Speaker 1: It that way. Awesome.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, thanks Cole.

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Speaker 1: Hey, We'll be back Monday with more episodes every week

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Speaker 1: from now until the heat Death of the Universe.

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Speaker 2: It could happen.

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Speaker 6: now find sources for it could happen here, listed directly

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