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Speaker 1: It's the Doug Ottleib Show, It's Fox Sports Radio, and

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Speaker 1: it is NBA Draft Day.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: Anytime you say draft day, people think of Draft Day

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Speaker 1: the movie. You ever noticed that? And I was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: Kevin Costner, Kevin Costner, Oh you don't think of Draft

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Speaker 1: Day of the movie. That's that just Kevin? Is that

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Speaker 1: Kevin Costum? Drop? I got a good work there, Sammy,

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Speaker 1: good good, good work. If you can get it. We

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Speaker 1: do have a lot to get to here on the show,

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Speaker 1: and I'm fired up. It's it's It's Cooper Flag's Draft Night.

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Speaker 1: That's really kind of what it is. Right. Every draft

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Speaker 1: has kind of a label. But what's what's really interesting

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Speaker 1: about Tonight's NBA Draft is you know we are getting

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Speaker 1: fewer and fewer, like flyers on guys. Yes, there are

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Speaker 1: some freshmen that are gonna go. Obviously, you know the

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Speaker 1: two Rutgers kids, a lot of them. But you're also

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Speaker 1: getting an even older kind of back end of that

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Speaker 1: of that draft. I saw that Lebron James said something

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Speaker 1: and it's really interesting. So Lebron obviously was drafted, do

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Speaker 1: you guys go twenty two or twenty three years ago? Today?

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Speaker 1: This is like the old stoplight thing when we were kids,

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Speaker 1: because he was drafted in two thousand and three, in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, So normally you say, well, that's twenty

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Speaker 1: two years, but if you actually count the years, it's

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Speaker 1: twenty three years. Jay Stew, do you want to jump

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Speaker 1: in on this? This feels like something that you would

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Speaker 1: bother you when people say the wrong year.

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Speaker 3: It seems like it's unequivocally twenty two years. Am I

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Speaker 3: What am I missing? Where's the gray area there?

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Speaker 1: Well, it's twenty twenty three, so just do the count.

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Speaker 1: Two thousand and four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, twenty ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen,

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Speaker 1: nineteen twenty one, two three, four five that's twenty two.

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Speaker 1: You're right, I guess.

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Speaker 4: I guess it's cool, not five.

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Speaker 1: I guess it's in my mind if I count two

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Speaker 1: thousand and three, right, I.

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Speaker 2: Was count year. I was count year to year, like

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Speaker 1: Buyers laugh byers laughing at me because I just I

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Speaker 1: just contradicted myself.

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Speaker 5: Well, I would just take twenty five minus three since

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Speaker 5: it's twenty twenty five twenty and two thousand and three.

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Speaker 5: But I will say this, I did see a TikTok lately,

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Speaker 5: and then I'll let you get to your point of

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Speaker 5: it was very sobering that your birthday is actually the

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Speaker 5: like the year that you just completed. Yes, So that's

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Speaker 5: kind of the sobering thing, Like you're into like, I'm

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Speaker 5: forty eight, so now I'm kind of like in the

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Speaker 5: year forty nine, you're forty eight, and you know, one

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Speaker 5: hundred and eighty days or whatever. We have January birthday,

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Speaker 5: so we're our half birthday's next month, Doug. But it's yeah,

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Speaker 5: that was that was a little bit sobering, right, because

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Speaker 5: you don't get credit for year zero when you turn one.

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Speaker 4: Yes, correct, correct.

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Speaker 2: So I guess Lebron was drafted in three and he

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Speaker 2: hasn't started the twenty twenty five season yet, so you

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Speaker 2: could kind of like he hadn't started to see me

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Speaker 2: when he was drafted. No, it's what doesn't work that.

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Speaker 5: Way, No, because it's we're just talking about the drafts,

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Speaker 5: the actual drafts.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's get back, can I can I just ask? Honestly? No,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to start the show over.

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Speaker 5: I probably should like the TBS five after the hour,

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Speaker 5: it's the Doug Gottlieb should right three or five Eastern.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't like, we don't fake it here, right,

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Speaker 1: Like none of it is like feigned excitement. And I

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Speaker 1: think Cooper Flag's really really good. I think there's some

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Speaker 1: talented guys in this draft. But it's really weird on

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Speaker 1: how this event has become a I just really don't

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Speaker 1: do you think by it? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I know I think that's fair.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like Sam, you equivalently, I didn't know.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know, Yeah, because like I just the NBA

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Speaker 2: Draft just doesn't get a lot of attention. It's not

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Speaker 2: the event that the NFL Draft is not even close.

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Speaker 1: Well, no, I don't think anybody argues that it did

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Speaker 1: and I would also I actually thought a lot about this.

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Speaker 1: These are the thoughts that I have when I'm traveling

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Speaker 1: was thinking about the pushback over this thought, and I

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Speaker 1: think Jay Stu has a little bit of the thought

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Speaker 1: some of their players. Is that fair? J Stew do

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Speaker 1: you think that's a portion of why some people you

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Speaker 3: I think that if you wanted to make a pie chart,

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Speaker 3: the NBA, they're the political stances since twenty twenty is

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Speaker 3: a portion of it. I don't know what percentage.

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Speaker 1: I guess if that were true, and if political stances

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Speaker 1: probably the most republican sport, are you? Does anybody want

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Speaker 4: Sports in team sports.

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Speaker 1: Yes, okay, you okay with that.

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Speaker 4: I don't have any opinion on it.

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Speaker 3: But chasing so nothing talking about NASCAR, right, this is

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Speaker 5: It's honestly, PGA Tour is pretty right, okay, publican right,

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Speaker 1: Wait, actually that actually helps make my case. PGA Tour

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Speaker 2: Are we talking about the audience base? The players are

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Speaker 2: both the player the leagues, the players like the idea,

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Speaker 5: Yes, all right, yes, so people with a lot of

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Speaker 5: money usually he like to be conservative.

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Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, but that it's not an NBA players.

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Speaker 1: I mean players have a lot of money and generally

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Speaker 1: NASCAR and baseball and golf seen rating spikes? They haven't.

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Speaker 1: They haven't. Again, I think we're I think we're chasing

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Speaker 1: the wrong thing in terms of popularity. I really do.

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Speaker 1: But the draft is a great sort of bat signal

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Speaker 1: for league popularity. And the NBA draft used to be.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to say everything that the NFL draft is,

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Speaker 1: but it was a lot bigger deal than it is now.

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Speaker 1: You go back to the Pat Ewing draft obviously, you

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Speaker 1: to the Lebron draft in two thousand and three. Now

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Speaker 1: a lot of it was the Jordan Arrow in the

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Speaker 1: NBA was king, And I think it's more about the

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Speaker 1: guys leaving after a year or the guys coming straight

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Speaker 1: into high school. I justd because they don't know who

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Speaker 1: they're They don't know who they are. Dan, you have

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Speaker 5: I know I just had some information because I agree

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Speaker 5: with with some of it. But we look at a

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Speaker 5: mock draft for this year, right looking at one right now,

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Speaker 5: number one overall, Cooper Flag, two overall, Dylan Harper of Rutgers,

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Speaker 5: three overall vj Edgecomb of Baylor. Then you got kan

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Speaker 5: Kinappel and Trey Johnson rounding out the top five. The

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Speaker 5: one and Don's in that you know, Boom boom boom

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Speaker 5: agreed the All American team for college basketball this year

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Speaker 5: jen I Broom, Walter Clayton, Junior, Cooper Flagg, Mark Sears,

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Speaker 5: and Braden Smith. Now in nineteen ninety two, Doug the

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Speaker 5: draft was the All American team was Jimmy Jackson, Christian Lightner,

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Speaker 5: Harold Minor, Alonzo Morning, Shaquille O'Neil. The first four picks

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Speaker 5: of the draft were Shaquille O'Neil, Alonzo Mourning, Christian Lightner,

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and so so.

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Speaker 1: You're drafting people now based upon potential, correct, whereas you

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Speaker 1: were drafting people then based upon production and potential. Yes, okay,

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Speaker 1: there you go, and it's it's always fasting to be people.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember again? When I say do you remember,

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Speaker 1: I'm guessing Dan remembers and if you don't, it's only

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Speaker 1: because Dan you do remember a lot more than anybody else.

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Speaker 1: On the show, Steve Kerr penned a piece. Wow, look

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Speaker 1: at that. I I that was some great alliteration. I

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Speaker 1: think Jay Stew's probably high five of me back in

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Speaker 1: in La Steve Kirpendepiece when he was the general manager

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Speaker 1: that the NBA needs college basketball to have players in

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Speaker 1: good portion of it is that when you play in college,

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Speaker 1: it's promoting what they're going to be in the NBA.

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Speaker 1: And the longer you play in college, the more known

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Speaker 1: I think that's the biggest reason that the NBA draft

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Speaker 1: right now is to complete and utter dud. The story

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Speaker 1: about Ace Bailey, who was a freshman at Rutgers. He

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Speaker 1: and Dylan Harper were supposed to tear up the Big Ten.

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Speaker 1: They had a good, not great season, they didn't go

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Speaker 1: to the NCAA tournament. And now you know, with all

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Speaker 1: the Ace Bailey stories about his former AAU coach being

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Speaker 1: of people don't know who ayst Bailey is, right, Jay

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Speaker 1: stew I don't think you. I think you asked me

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Speaker 1: early this week, who's this Ace Bailey guy? What's the

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Speaker 1: is legit really really talented guy. Doesn't mean I draft him,

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Speaker 1: but again, super talented. I know who he is because

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Speaker 1: obviously I'm a coach, I'm in that industry and covered

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Speaker 1: that at some point we may have this thing shift

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Speaker 1: talking about well into healthy seven figure salaries. AJ DEBANTSA.

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Speaker 1: It's rumored, right, is it six million? Is it seven million?

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Speaker 1: It's a lot of money. Now, they're the best of

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Speaker 1: the best are still going to leave because it's not

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Speaker 1: second and your third, the likes of which no one's

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Speaker 1: ever going to get to a three hundred and four

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Speaker 1: It just doesn't make any sense. But I wonder if

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Speaker 1: it becomes a much bigger thing with players staying around longer.

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Speaker 1: Here's Lebron James on the Mind That Game podcast talking

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Speaker 1: Do you think the NFL owners colluded? Colluded? It's a

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Speaker 2: It sounds like they got together Doug and they're like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Yep, yep, that's what you're doing, all right. Coming up

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Speaker 1: next on The Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna catch up with Jake Glazier Aaron Rodgers surprised

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Speaker 1: no one saying this is gonna be his last year? Right?

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Speaker 1: Coulda be his last year? But what are the expectations

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Speaker 1: that the Pittsburgh Steelers have of him in terms of

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Speaker 1: what he's got left? We'll find out from Jake Laser.

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Speaker 1: Next to The Doug Gotleib.

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Speaker 7: Show, be sure to catch the live edition of The

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Speaker 7: Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.

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Speaker 1: Doug Gottlib Show, Fox Sports Radio. The Lovable Loser at

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Speaker 1: Genius Booga tweets the show at Gottlieb Show. That's the

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Speaker 1: Twitter handle Doug. It's all collusion Swinging to miss brother.

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Speaker 1: Controlling price of goods artificially with otherwise with others as

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Speaker 1: collective as a collective is colluding. Controlling the ability for

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Speaker 1: someone to get what they earned as a collective is collusion. Period. No,

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Speaker 1: it's not. This is not a free market. Okay again, respectfully,

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Speaker 1: I am not a lawyer, so I don't want no one,

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Speaker 1: but I do know that it is not. The NFL

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Speaker 1: is not a free market. The NFL is collectively bargained

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Speaker 1: upon salary cap. So in other words, there's there's oversight

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Speaker 1: into there's a spending limit. There's also a spending floor.

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Speaker 1: Here's the big thing that fans are never told, never told, Sam,

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Speaker 1: Could you use the Google machine for a second. There

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Speaker 1: was a year that there was no salary cap. Fairly recently.

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Speaker 1: I think it was two thy twelve. I know that's

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Speaker 1: not that recently. I want to say maybe twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 1: I think it was twenty twelve. If you could find

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Speaker 1: that year for me, and I appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: The point is twenty ten.

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Speaker 1: Twenty ten, okay, twenty ten, there was no salary cap.

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Speaker 1: And what happened during that no salary cap was everyone thought, well,

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Speaker 1: at least all the football guys thought, I'm gonna get paid.

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Speaker 1: There's no salary cap. Everything get paid. And what happened

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Speaker 1: the opposite. Most people were paid far less than they

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Speaker 1: normally were. And was it take it or leave it?

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Speaker 1: And the reason was, yeah, there's a there's a there's

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Speaker 1: a ceiling to the salary cap. There's also a floor

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Speaker 1: a certain amount of money you have to spend. So

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Speaker 1: within that salary cap, your ability to generate money is limited.

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Speaker 1: And oh yeah, by the way, the NFL the idea

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Speaker 1: of oh that they paying you what you earn like, No,

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Speaker 1: those are bonuses. Your salary is based upon what they

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Speaker 1: guess your future value will be. And because there is

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Speaker 1: no true free market and you can negotiate for you

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Speaker 1: and you don't have to sign these contracts, you don't

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Speaker 1: you don't have to sign any of them. And if

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Speaker 1: you're a free agent again, if you don't like the

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Speaker 1: percentage of your contract that's a guarantee, well then hold

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Speaker 1: out for more, go to somebody will. The crazy part

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Speaker 1: about it is that players are making more and more

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Speaker 1: and more money, and whatever you think of the guarantees,

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Speaker 1: they're getting more and more guarantees. Despite whatever this uh.

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Speaker 1: Pablo Torres and Pablotori and his research will tell you

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Speaker 1: so stuck Outleab show Here on Fox Sports Radio. Let's

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Speaker 1: get to Dan Bayer at a game.

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Speaker 7: This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.

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Speaker 4: Um, Dan Barr, what do you got, Doug? The game

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Speaker 4: today is for better or worse? All right?

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Speaker 5: Variety of topics Doug for better or worse? The second

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Speaker 5: round of the draft NBA draft versus NFL draft. That's

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Speaker 5: better or worse?

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Speaker 1: Boy, there's some similarities there, right, because neither operating on

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Speaker 1: the same constraints as the first round for draft picks. Right,

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Speaker 1: there's the rookie scale for both the NFL and NBA draft.

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Speaker 1: I think the second round the NBA draft is better

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Speaker 1: one because obviously there's only two rounds, and two because

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Speaker 1: it's some people believe it's better to be a second

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Speaker 1: round draft pick than being a first round draft pick

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Speaker 1: because you're gonna get out of that a lot like

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Speaker 1: the NFL you get out of that first round earlier.

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Speaker 1: But there have also it feels like there's been Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there have been many more wash out guys that barely

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Speaker 1: and he played in the NBA, But there's been more

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Speaker 1: stars in the second round of the NBA Draft. There

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Speaker 1: have been NFL Draft.

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Speaker 5: Kind of going off on a bit of a tangent

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Speaker 5: here just for this topic. For Better or Worse, Doug,

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Speaker 5: the NFL draft format, the old format that you and

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Speaker 5: I and others our age knew so well, the Saturday

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Speaker 5: and Sunday of the draft versus now today's three day

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Speaker 5: affair that they have on Thursday, Friday and Saturday.

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Speaker 1: The old We're gonna be old men, get off our lawn.

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Speaker 1: It used to be better than Yeah, I love that.

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Speaker 1: I mean now Saturday is a complete waste of time.

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Speaker 1: There's so much energy on Thursday. Thursday's so good, but

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Speaker 1: he makes Friday and Saturday.

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Speaker 5: Just Saturday is. Now, let's go to the South Pole

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Speaker 5: down in Antarctica where they're gonna make it.

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Speaker 1: We're a penguin is going to come announce the yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're still.

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Speaker 5: In exactly exactly, and then they show highlights from Thursday.

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Speaker 5: It was just the two day affair like that. Saturday

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Speaker 5: was long, but it was great, all right, Doug. For

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Speaker 5: Better or Worse? New team announcement Lebron James and his

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Speaker 5: decision to join the Heat versus Kevin Durant and what

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Speaker 5: a surprise that he gets traded while on stage at

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Speaker 5: Fanatics Fest. What is better or Worse?

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Speaker 1: I actually think that lebron The announcement was better.

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Speaker 4: I agree it was a surprise.

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Speaker 1: Is that a neutral location? Yeah, I mean, I way

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Speaker 1: more memorable. And oh yeah, by the way, I'm sure

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Speaker 1: Kevin rant knew, so.

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Speaker 4: He totally knew. He staged the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: I Lebron's deal was better.

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Speaker 4: I think that more players should do what Lebron did.

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Speaker 4: I thought it was great TV.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, It's kind of been one of my stances when

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Speaker 5: they you know, what's the what's the.

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Speaker 4: What do they say?

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Speaker 6: What?

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Speaker 4: Jason? What is it?

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Speaker 5: The the hell you'll die on? Is that the that

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Speaker 5: the phrase? Yeah, yeah, that's one of mine. That's one

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Speaker 5: of mine, all right? For better or worse? First overall

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Speaker 5: pick in the NBA draft, Kwame Brown versus Anthony Bennett.

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Speaker 4: Jordan took Brown to the Wizards, went to the Calves.

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Speaker 1: Kwame Brown actually had some productive years. I don't feel

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Speaker 1: like Anthony don't have had any That's correct.

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Speaker 5: Tommie Brown spent about a decade in the game as well.

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Speaker 5: It was just really nobody in that draft with Anthony Bennett.

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Speaker 5: Either Giannis was taken in that draft, so could have.

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Speaker 1: Had Oladipo was in that draft, right, I mean he

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Speaker 1: obviously accepted a bunch of injuries, but yeah, Yiannis is

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Speaker 1: the guy from that.

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Speaker 5: Draft, all right. For better or worse? Month to go

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Speaker 5: to a ball game June versus August kind of take

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Speaker 5: because I think a lot of people go to July games.

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Speaker 1: But you're talking about baseball game. Yes, I'm gonna go

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Speaker 1: with June. August can just be so ridiculously hot. June

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Speaker 1: can be too, but not nearly as often June. June's

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Speaker 1: my answer. August can be more exciting.

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Speaker 2: I agree with Doug right, yeah, the weather wise, but

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Speaker 2: then there might be more at stake in August, or

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Speaker 2: we see playoff playoffs start to form a little.

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Speaker 5: Bit and the corn will be higher at the field

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Speaker 5: of dreamstrilled. Right, So that's another one. Yeah, that's Iowa

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Speaker 5: Sam specific. Yes, they'll be tall tall by then, it'll

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Speaker 5: be over six feet tall. I'm sure I go June

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Speaker 5: because I'll just go June with you, because August I'm

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Speaker 5: starting to get into.

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Speaker 4: Football mode a little bit.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, sure, And so that's there's the excitement of that

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Speaker 5: all right, finally for better or worse. I think of

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Speaker 5: a lot of the country can understand this temperature, heated

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Speaker 5: humidity versus bitter cold and windschill.

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Speaker 4: Heat and humidity is better or worse.

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Speaker 5: Better, better, It's not what some of my Facebook friends

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Speaker 5: have been saying. I've been saying they would take twenty below.

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Speaker 5: Then I have to deal with the heat and humidity

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Speaker 5: that has been hitting a lot of the country lately.

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Speaker 1: I mean, do they not have airic? Interesting? Well, here's

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Speaker 1: where he means, here's where, here's this is. And again,

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Speaker 1: I've lived in Oklahoma, I've lived in now live in

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Speaker 1: Green Bay. It's it's been weird. It's very cool here today.

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Speaker 1: I've lived in in Connecticut where I can get it

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Speaker 1: can get a little musty there too. For you, especially Dan,

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Speaker 1: if you play golf earlier, play golf late, it's nice

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Speaker 1: like it can be. You can get off if you

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Speaker 1: if you're a guy, can get off at seven in

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Speaker 1: the morning. You know, you get done at ten, ten

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Speaker 1: thirty like it's everything's it doesn't hurt and you don't

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Speaker 1: have to dress like you're in Suppland or Ireland. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think heat and humidity is better.

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Speaker 5: I think that the heat and humidity, you try to

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Speaker 5: do it, Like if it's twenty below, you're like, I'm

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Speaker 5: not even gonna try it's twenty below and I'm not

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Speaker 5: even gonna I'm not even gonna test it. But if

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Speaker 5: it's ninety and the humidities eighty five ninety percent, like,

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Speaker 5: oh well, let's see what And then you're like, oh,

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Speaker 5: this was a bad idea, this was this was awful.

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Speaker 5: Maybe that's the deciding line. I think more people would

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Speaker 5: try stuff in the heat and humidity and then realize

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Speaker 5: they can and do it, and even attempt to if

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Speaker 5: the wind shills like forty.

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Speaker 2: Below your course also might be covered in snow. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: golf wise, it would not work. Nothing's really just to

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Speaker 2: do anything, to do anything period. I think you'll be like,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna try it. I would say that the heat

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Speaker 2: humidity makes me like just more furious, just like it

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Speaker 2: draws the anger out of me. I always go back

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Speaker 2: to this, you can always add layers. When you have hot,

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Speaker 2: heat and humidity. You can only take off so many layers.

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Speaker 1: That's true. And look, I mean like if it if

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Speaker 1: it's hot and muggy in your room, I mean you

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Speaker 1: just can't sleep, you can't do anywhere it's cold. You

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Speaker 1: can get under the covers, you can warm up pretty quickly.

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Speaker 1: Like I I get it, but I'd still I think

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Speaker 1: we're talking about being outside. I would rather be warm

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Speaker 1: than hot. I've been too hot than too cold.

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Speaker 4: That's game time.

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Speaker 7: This is game time on the Dug Godleaf Show.

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Speaker 1: Doug got Leave show Fox Sports for shortly after the show,

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Speaker 1: podcast be going up. You miss saying today's show. Check

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Speaker 1: Gottlieb wherever your podcast. Okay, coming up next we call

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