WEBVTT - Yes, It's Still Time to Talk About Climate (from Hot Take) 0:00:10.640 --> 0:00:13.360 Hey, drilled listeners, We are about to go on a 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:17.920 brief hiatus to get to the next investigative season, ready 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:21.080 to put out to all of you. In the meantime, 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:23.800 I wanted to let you know about the other show 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:27.280 that I do with my co host Mary Annaisee Hegler. 0:00:27.440 --> 0:00:31.880 It's called Hot Take, and we take a feminist race 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:35.920 forward lens to the biggest story of our time, climate change. 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:39.400 It's a holistic, irreverent, no bullshit look at the climate 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:42.159 crisis and all the ways that we're talking and not 0:00:42.320 --> 0:00:45.760 talking about it. We're actually on a season break over 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:49.600 there too, but we are putting out the occasional bonus episode. 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:51.800 The one I'm going to play for you here is 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:54.680 all about why it's always time to talk about climate 0:00:54.760 --> 0:00:57.560 and why this idea that you have to either talk 0:00:57.600 --> 0:01:01.400 about racial justice or climate change and you can't talk 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:04.920 about both all at once is silly. We also have 0:01:05.080 --> 0:01:08.479 a newsletter going over there. It is a weekly newsletter 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:11.679 that is a roundup of all of the climate coverage 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:17.080 happening and also analysis, exclusive essays from Mary, and exclusive 0:01:17.200 --> 0:01:20.440 reporting from myself. 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This episode answers all of those questions and more. 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:51.560 We'll get into that right after a message from this 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:52.560 week's sponsor. 0:02:24.200 --> 0:02:27.360 Hello, and welcome to Hot Takes, the podcast where we 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:30.840 take a look at the climate crisis and the climate conversation. 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:33.320 I'm Marianna ease Hegler. 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:34.560 And I'm Amy Westervelt. 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:38.320 Today we're gonna do one of our special in between 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:40.960 season episodes. These are the ones that we're calling Hot 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:44.840 Take Unwined. Last time we did these, we were drinking wine, 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:47.080 but this time we're not drinking wine because it's a 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:49.680 heavier kind of week, so we're both going with like 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:53.720 actual cocktails and we're not playing around this time. I 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:57.880 have a hurricane and it is exactly what it sounds like. 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:00.440 It's a hurricane, and I didn't go eat on the 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:01.720 wrong I didn't. 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:03.160 So. 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:08.080 I'm having a drink that I'm gonna call you don't 0:03:08.080 --> 0:03:08.919 want this smoke? 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:12.120 That was pretty good. That was pretty good for someone 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:14.880 who doesn't like dad jokes. That was actually pretty good. 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:18.400 Pretty good, pretty good. Okay, and it is. It's basically 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:23.919 a margarita, but it's a spicy cucumber pomegranate margarita. 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:25.040 So it looks fancy. 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:27.200 I know, it's very fancy. And then I made my 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:31.000 own sort of salt rim with a like a chilly 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:37.520 lime smoked paprika salt rim. So it's a it's it's 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:40.520 wildfire themed. It's kind of spicy and smoky. Yeah, it's 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:44.320 delicious actually, but it's quite strong. I kept adding different 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:48.400 liquors to get the color right. Yeah, and now I'm 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:50.200 I'm well on my way to being drunk. 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:52.320 I can't wait to see a picture of this. I 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:56.320 really can't or to see where this is gonna take 0:03:56.320 --> 0:04:00.160 this whole conversation. Yeah. So I think it's fitting that 0:04:00.280 --> 0:04:01.400 our two our. 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:05.720 Two cocktails are hurricane and wildfire theme because we're both 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:09.080 about to go through hurricane and wildfire season and that 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:13.120 season we're getting into the season, and I'm from Hurricane Land, 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:17.000 and you're from fire and land, so it fits. And 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:19.640 the liquor fits with the heaviness of this day, of 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:21.480 this week or two weeks. 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:22.800 I don't know anymore. 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:26.640 I'm so confused. Like today, I thought it was the 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:30.200 end of a week, but it's only what Wednesday. 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:30.640 It's Wednesday. 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:33.719 Yeah, by the time this comes out, it will probably 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:34.840 be Friday, and like. 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:38.719 Who knows what sort of what happened exactly? Who knows? 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:42.800 I mean. In fact, just before this, I was reading 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:47.400 or just scanning the a ed written by Senator Tom 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:52.120 Cotton encouraging Trump to send in the troops. I didn't 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:54.120 actually read it. I'm not gonna lie. I read the 0:04:54.160 --> 0:04:56.520 headline in the first was. 0:04:58.680 --> 0:05:02.960 Yes, I can't believe that got published. I really can't. 0:05:03.640 --> 0:05:06.440 White guys on Twitter like smart and I'm using air 0:05:06.520 --> 0:05:09.320 quotes that you can't see smart white guys on Twitter, 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:13.520 smart liberal, woke white guys were like, actually, it might 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:16.600 be a good thing, because you know, it's so crazy 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:19.480 and it's like good to know what they actually think 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:21.279 and that's how you beat them. Blah blah. I was 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:25.920 just like, no, I'm sorry, there's nothing good about a 0:05:25.920 --> 0:05:29.919 white supremacist senator calling for military action to crush a 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:34.640 protest yeah paper in the country. 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:37.000 And also, just by the record, folks, we are talking 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:38.679 about Senator Tom Cotton. 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:42.560 This is a grown man who drinks glasses of milk. 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:43.760 Oh total milk. 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:48.279 The man is a psycho pet. Yes, you can't trust 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:54.159 somebody who drinks milk on purpose without coffees. 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:57.760 Just straight milk, straight milkn It's a psycho path. He's 0:05:57.839 --> 0:06:04.280 definitely a serial killer, yes, yeah, But honestly, of. 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:06.120 All the things that have happened in. 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:10.720 The past week and a half, that's kind of one 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:15.239 of the least bothersome to tell you the truth. 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:18.480 Because can I. 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:23.640 Just tell you how awkward it feels to be a 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:28.920 black person in the climate space right now? I bet yeah, 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:30.719 so incredibly awkward. 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:35.400 I'm just watching, like the way that people are trying 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:38.599 to approach you and other black people right now is 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:41.200 like very cringey. So I can only imagine actually being 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:42.160 the person in that. 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:45.680 You mean to tell you, I have enough love and 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:50.679 light to fire up a six flags for like eighteen weeks. 0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:51.080 Peace. 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:57.080 Peace. I haven't made so much love and light in 0:06:57.160 --> 0:07:02.520 my phone right It's like a renewal power source. It's crazy, 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:09.000 so that's that's one thing, but also just it's been 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:13.960 this awkward dance of now's we're going again into this 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:16.920 sort of cycle of now's not the time to talk 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:21.840 about climate. And I can't tell you how disorienting it is. 0:07:22.320 --> 0:07:25.040 How does yeah, especially for you, but to hear now 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:27.440 is the time to listen to black people but also 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:29.480 not the time to talk about climate. 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:32.920 It's such a strange experience to me to have white 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:35.240 people come to me and say, now's not the time 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:37.119 to talk about climate because we need to be worried 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:38.000 about black people. 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:40.840 And I'm like, do you not see can you see 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:46.080 my face? What do you think I am. I don't 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:46.920 have to like. 0:07:48.360 --> 0:07:52.640 Suddenly care about black lives because I live one. I 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:56.280 always care about black lives, and the two things are 0:07:56.320 --> 0:08:00.720 not are not extricable from one another. And what I 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:03.280 hear when I hear people saying that they can't talk 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:05.680 about climate and talk about racial justice at the same 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:08.080 time is that I feel like you don't understand either 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:13.080 one first of all, and also just you're less invested 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:14.320 in one than you are in the other. 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:18.640 Yes, totally, it's like the other side of the don't 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:21.640 bring your identity politics into the climate space coin. And 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:26.640 it's totally bizarre to me that people who would totally 0:08:26.680 --> 0:08:30.120 reject that argument are making this argument now that like, 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:34.400 you know, don't bring your climate stuff into racial justice. 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:36.640 Like what the whole point is that they're combined, guys, 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:38.240 They're the same thing. 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:40.440 There's no like special kind of justice. 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:44.440 Actually, Like the way that we sort of separate these 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:47.400 things out is like, well, now's the time for racial justice. 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:50.959 We'll get to climate justice later. Where do you think 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:52.760 these black lives are going to live if not on 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:53.400 this planet? 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:54.400 Right? 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:58.199 You know what I mean? Like my problem hasn't. 0:08:57.920 --> 0:09:01.560 Been and what else is threatening these black lives? Climate change, 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:05.040 air pollution, environmental racism, Like it's all pandemic. 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:09.480 Yes, all of this it's the same shit. So like that, 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:12.920 and it sort of felt like it kind of feels 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:14.240 like you're always. 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:16.840 Like swimming upstream or like I don't know what the 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:20.440 right metaphor is, but it really it feels like climbing 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:23.680 the wall. You know, I'm honest, because I always feel 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:27.240 like I have made this point, you know, like I 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:29.520 write one essay and it's like all right, you kind 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:29.880 of got it. 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:32.319 Then you write another essay and then you do something else. 0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:35.040 And like, I can't figure out how to get the 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:40.839 climate movement to like understand this that talking about one 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:42.960 does not mean you stop talking about the other. 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:47.959 I don't. It's so frustrating. 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:52.000 And I think also I personally feel like I find 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:54.800 myself in this position where I am kind of looked 0:09:54.840 --> 0:09:57.720 to in the climate movement as the climate movement's black friend. 0:09:58.360 --> 0:10:02.559 Yeah, yes, and yes, yes. 0:10:03.559 --> 0:10:07.480 Love y'all, but no, that is not that is not 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:09.480 the service that I'm here to perform. 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:13.400 No fun another one. 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:17.920 But like, I've seen a lot of people circulating my 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:21.000 Green Voices of Color list, which like, I actually hate 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:22.040 the name of that list. 0:10:22.080 --> 0:10:23.640 I just couldn't think of anything better. 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:27.840 But and it sort of seems like people think I 0:10:27.960 --> 0:10:30.480 created that list so that white people could then find 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:32.120 people of color to find. 0:10:32.400 --> 0:10:34.400 I created that list so people of color could. 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:37.400 Find each other. Actually that is why I created that list. 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:40.560 I created that list because I felt lonely and I 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:43.560 felt like a lot of you know, white folks were 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:47.280 basically treating me like their black climate friend on Twitter. 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:49.400 And that was happening to lots of other people of 0:10:49.440 --> 0:10:53.760 color in the movement too, right, that like, yeah, greatment to. 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:57.840 Yeah, it's like, Oh, something racist happened, Mary, What do 0:10:57.920 --> 0:10:58.240 we do? 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:03.959 I be a fucking human try this. 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:09.599 So, yeah, it's been. 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:12.760 An awkward position. I'll talk more about it in this 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:20.240 week's newsletter. But and it's just it's tough because this 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:23.600 is a painful moment, like I'm actually it might be 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:26.440 a teachable moment for other people, but right now for me, 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:30.040 it is a painful moment. And I've had to take 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:32.360 a step back from social media because it just became 0:11:32.520 --> 0:11:36.240 like this endless river of trauma porn and I can't 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:39.520 take it anymore, Like I can't. It's something different to 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:42.360 watch people be hurt, like I've never been that person 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:43.080 who could do that. 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:44.280 I've never been able. 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:48.959 To watch horror movies or you know, documentaries where people 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:51.800 get hurt like I actually feel like it's happening to me, 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:56.960 like I physically feel the pain. So that's one thing, 0:11:57.080 --> 0:11:59.319 But then you layer in that the people getting hurt 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:02.400 are getting a hurt because they look like me, and 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:06.040 should I leave my apartment that could easily happen to me. 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:09.760 Also because I live in one of the cities where 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:14.040 that's really you know, it's really serious right now, So 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:18.280 it feels really different and I can't just like, I 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:22.240 can't divorce myself from that. So I am trying my 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:26.520 best to take a break from Twitter, but yeah, it 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:30.559 just feels like a lot of unnecessary pressure at a 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:31.960 really painful moment. 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:37.520 Yeah. Yeah, well, and then on top of people texting 0:12:37.559 --> 0:12:42.439 you or people sharing their various takes, there's this, uh 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:44.520 you know, I know you and I have talked about this, 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:49.359 that there's this kind of like, excuse me, woke Olympics 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:50.520 happening right now on. 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:55.880 So I would like to if I like to call 0:12:55.920 --> 0:12:58.840 it the wokies, the wokies. 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:04.240 Yes, yes, I like, I cannot watch any more white 0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:08.040 women lecturing each other to try to like prove how 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:11.920 much more woke they are. It's just like guys, just yeah, honestly, 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:15.720 like I do feel like well and this black Square 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:18.640 thing too, Like you want to take a break from 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:22.040 your self absorption, just shut the fuck up and get 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:23.280 off social media for a day. 0:13:23.360 --> 0:13:26.240 Then, you know what, that is very fy. You can 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:28.960 do that for free, ninety nine totally free. 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:31.280 You might not get any credit for it, but it 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:32.240 will actually help. 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:37.640 Or how strange it is to have white people tell 0:13:37.720 --> 0:13:39.760 you as a black person that Black Lives matter. 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:42.800 That is genuinely disorienting. 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:47.240 Yeah, because it's like, what did you think before? Did 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:49.120 you think I didn't know that or did you not 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:52.000 know that? Both of those things are disturbing and it's awesome. 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:54.559 And also it's like I pisces. 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:57.400 Me off that it's like every time there's an example, 0:13:57.520 --> 0:14:02.080 like an extreme example of racism in this country, like 0:14:02.280 --> 0:14:05.560 police killing a black person in custody who is unarmed, 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:09.400 which unfortunately there's been many examples of, but it's like 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:13.359 every time there's this whole upswelling and all these hashtags 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:17.280 and Twitter avatars and whatever. Yeah, and like if any 0:14:17.280 --> 0:14:19.480 of that did anything, then we wouldn't still be having 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:23.600 that should happen, you know, right, Like right, I don't know. 0:14:24.360 --> 0:14:27.440 I understand that everyone wants to everyone feels a little 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:30.440 bit disempowered and wants to do something and you know, 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:33.440 wants to help and maybe doesn't feel like they can 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:36.080 go out to a protest or like that, you know, 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:38.600 might be worrying if that's even the right thing, which 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:40.520 is something we're gonna get into like some of the 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:43.160 ways that the protests have been co opted in how 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:46.040 to kind of parse that. But like I just I 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:46.920 don't know this, ain't it? 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:47.360 Folks? 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:55.360 Yeah, yeah, be careful about the amount of pressure that 0:14:55.400 --> 0:15:00.360 you're putting on your black friends right now, because. 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:03.480 We're all like very clearly at a breaking point. We 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:07.280 also don't want I've ranted about this on Twitter. We 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:10.080 don't want to process everything with our white friends. Like 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:12.360 we might love you and respect you and value you, 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:14.760 but I don't want to process everything with my white friends. 0:15:14.760 --> 0:15:17.600 I just don't write like there's. 0:15:19.800 --> 0:15:23.560 I remember this actually when when Beyonce's Lemonade album came out, 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:26.920 like that was a very big moment for black women, 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:30.800 and I had so many white women friends being like 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:32.560 wanting to talk to me about it, and I was. 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:36.240 Like, can I kick you back the fuck off? Or 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:38.280 like after speaking on a panel. 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:40.520 And I know a lot of other women of color 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:43.080 I've had this experience because I've heard them talk about it. 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:45.560 You speak on a panel as a woman of color, 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:48.440 and all of these white women are waiting for you 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:50.200 as soon as you get off the stage, and they're 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:52.400 like in tears about how much you move them and 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:54.880 how much you talk them and blah blah blah blah blah, 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:56.800 and you're just like, now, you got to console on me. 0:15:56.880 --> 0:15:58.440 Now, you gotta put this bitch back together. 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:00.800 And on the other side of her as all these 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:03.680 other women of color that you actually want to connect with, 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:06.000 but they're trying to give you a moment, and I'm like, 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:07.920 could you please bum rush her? 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:09.400 I think you are right, I. 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:12.000 Don't understand it, like they, like a lot of people 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:14.960 think that they're reaching out to support you, but what 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:18.360 they're actually doing is asking for emotional labor from you. 0:16:18.520 --> 0:16:20.200 And I just feel like people need to be way 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:21.040 more careful about that. 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:22.520 Yeah, you know exactly. 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:25.720 Even if it's like I just want to make sure 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:28.080 you're okay, or I just want this or whatever, it's 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:31.960 just like, you know, I don't know, Yeah, just like 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:35.000 be careful about asking for anything from the people that 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:36.680 you're that you want to be helping. 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:38.000 I guess yeah. 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:40.840 Actually what I what I said is I get that 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:43.400 you want your friend to know that you're there and 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:47.680 that you care. Like I understand that, but it really 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:50.200 makes a big difference if you say something like I 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:54.360 don't expect you to respond yes, that makes such a 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:57.520 huge difference. Just like to you, it's like, oh, one text, 0:16:57.680 --> 0:16:59.600 what's the big deal, I'm being a nice person. 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:03.320 I also apply that by seventy Yeah. 0:17:02.920 --> 0:17:05.320 And then you get an idea of what I'm talking 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:08.840 about here seventy emails, and now you have to respond 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:12.080 to and get into like deep in your feelings about 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:16.240 like how you're doing really and like, yes, separately process 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:21.040 this extremely painful thing with seventy different people who who, 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:23.680 by their own admission, could never understand. 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:25.320 Whereas I could. 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:27.760 Just go talk to like my cousins I've known my 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:31.160 whole life and live the same experience as me, or 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:34.920 like my college friends who you know, like I could 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:37.760 talk to my black friends. Basically, It's what I'm saying here, 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:41.119 like I don't have to process this with someone to 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:44.880 whom I'm also having to explain what racism every day 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:45.480 feels like. 0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:51.720 Right right. I was thinking about it in terms of 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:55.399 of like maybe maybe a helpful way for people to 0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:59.200 think about it would be like if your friend had 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:03.680 a family member or close friend die, like you would 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:06.720 send them this, like hope everything's okay. Don't feel obligated 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:08.400 to respond right now, right Like. 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:10.560 I feel like people should take that approach right now, 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:12.600 right and whatever. 0:18:12.240 --> 0:18:17.800 You do, don't take it personally. Yeah, it's not about you. 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:20.360 So if your friend doesn't respond. 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:22.919 Or if your friend like you know, says I just 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:24.920 I literally can't deal with you right now. 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:26.399 It's not about. 0:18:26.040 --> 0:18:32.359 You, Yeah, exactly exactly. I want to talk about a 0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:39.840 little bit more about sort of why it's so problematic 0:18:39.920 --> 0:18:42.439 that people are doing the like it's not time to 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:45.200 talk about climate now, and how much that shows about 0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:47.800 how much farther we have to go for people to 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:51.440 understand that these things are always interconnected and that they're 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:55.160 just you know, one type of justice and that's it, 0:18:55.280 --> 0:18:58.680 and it's like, you know, worth talking about all the time, 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:03.600 because mostly I'm seeing that sentiment from very well meaning 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:07.800 progressive non black people. There's this issue of like it's 0:19:07.840 --> 0:19:10.080 not really your place to say what it is or 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:12.960 isn't time to talk about right now for one thing, 0:19:13.480 --> 0:19:17.879 for one thing, and b that like you know, just 0:19:17.960 --> 0:19:21.840 like we said about the coronavirus pandemic, that climate doesn't 0:19:21.920 --> 0:19:25.600 stop for a pandemic. It doesn't stop for you know, 0:19:25.640 --> 0:19:29.960 a police killing either, Unfortunately, you know, it doesn't. It 0:19:30.000 --> 0:19:32.680 doesn't stop for any of this stuff. And like right now, 0:19:32.720 --> 0:19:35.679 there's a hurricane building off the off the Gulf coast 0:19:36.440 --> 0:19:40.520 that could very negatively impact a whole lot of people 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:41.800 of color, but. 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:45.760 Also climate change and heat waves and hurricanes. 0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:49.000 Actually makes police murders more likely because it makes all 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:53.640 violence more likely. So like it is a threat multiplier, 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:57.000 that's what that's what a threat multiplier means. So police 0:19:57.080 --> 0:20:00.959 brutality is an existing threat, climate change will multiply that 0:20:01.000 --> 0:20:05.040 by ten. And there that's yet another one of the 0:20:05.040 --> 0:20:07.560 reasons that we actually don't talk about about why Black 0:20:07.600 --> 0:20:15.000 people are more likely to be susceptible to climate change 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:17.919 because we're already we're in chronic crisis. So now you 0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:22.040 add yet another acute crisis, not even on top of that, 0:20:22.119 --> 0:20:25.360 but underneath it, like on the ground on which we stand, 0:20:25.480 --> 0:20:29.520 the era which we breathe, the water we drink, literate like, 0:20:29.640 --> 0:20:34.760 have us encased in yet another crisis that makes us 0:20:34.800 --> 0:20:39.360 like even more vulnerable. So actually, what you shouldn't it's 0:20:39.440 --> 0:20:43.200 not necessarily this is just more proof of why climate 0:20:43.240 --> 0:20:46.600 marches and climate strikes need to include Black Lives Matter. 0:20:47.119 --> 0:20:50.480 And it also you know, underscores why Black Lives Matter 0:20:50.600 --> 0:20:53.560 already has climate as part of this platform because they 0:20:53.680 --> 0:20:57.159 already understand that. So like if I see if I 0:20:57.200 --> 0:21:00.600 see someone at a climate march with the Black Lives 0:21:00.640 --> 0:21:01.840 Matter sign. 0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:04.680 I don't want to hear, actually, this is the climate march, 0:21:04.680 --> 0:21:05.200 and you're. 0:21:05.080 --> 0:21:07.120 At the wrong march. Like, no, they're at the right 0:21:07.160 --> 0:21:10.280 fucking march. You just don't understand what justice. 0:21:10.040 --> 0:21:13.879 Is, yes, exactly. Yeah, like the idea, I've heard some 0:21:13.920 --> 0:21:16.040 people say like, oh, you know, we shouldn't be having 0:21:16.040 --> 0:21:18.639 climate marches right now, it's not the right time, or like, 0:21:18.760 --> 0:21:21.359 you know, to put the climate strike on hold and whatever. 0:21:21.400 --> 0:21:23.800 It's like, no, this is it's always the right time. 0:21:24.640 --> 0:21:27.440 And again because we're out of time, because we're out 0:21:27.480 --> 0:21:30.800 of time, and these things are all different aspects of 0:21:30.840 --> 0:21:34.840 the same issue, which is a total lack of justice, 0:21:35.160 --> 0:21:35.440 you know. 0:21:35.640 --> 0:21:37.280 Exactly exactly. 0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:41.360 And I've also heard people being like, you know, how 0:21:41.359 --> 0:21:44.520 did we get here, And the answer is this is 0:21:44.640 --> 0:21:45.440 where we started. 0:21:46.119 --> 0:21:48.119 Yeah exactly, we never been here. 0:21:48.160 --> 0:21:48.840 We've always been. 0:21:48.800 --> 0:21:50.160 We never moved. 0:21:50.600 --> 0:21:53.640 So and that's also where you get a crisis like climate. 0:21:54.160 --> 0:21:56.959 It didn't just come out of carbon molecules that just 0:21:57.080 --> 0:21:59.600 you know, happen to wind up in the air. 0:22:00.440 --> 0:22:03.280 Change is a was a preventable problem and is a 0:22:03.359 --> 0:22:08.200 solvable problem. The people and the structures that have prevented 0:22:08.280 --> 0:22:12.280