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Speaker 1: brief hiatus to get to the next investigative season, ready

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Speaker 1: that I do with my co host Mary Annaisee Hegler.

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Speaker 1: It's called Hot Take, and we take a feminist race

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Speaker 1: forward lens to the biggest story of our time, climate change.

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Speaker 1: It's a holistic, irreverent, no bullshit look at the climate

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Speaker 1: The one I'm going to play for you here is

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Speaker 1: all about why it's always time to talk about climate

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Speaker 1: the Black Lives Matter protest going on nationwide, I've had

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Speaker 1: climate movement. This episode answers all of those questions and more.

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Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to Hot Takes, the podcast where we

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Speaker 2: take a look at the climate crisis and the climate conversation.

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Speaker 2: I'm Marianna ease Hegler.

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Speaker 1: And I'm Amy Westervelt.

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Speaker 2: Today we're gonna do one of our special in between

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Speaker 2: Take Unwined. Last time we did these, we were drinking wine,

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Speaker 1: I'm having a drink that I'm gonna call you don't

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Speaker 4: You know what I mean? Like my problem hasn't.

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Speaker 2: Actually makes police murders more likely because it makes all

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Speaker 2: And it also you know, underscores why Black Lives Matter

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Speaker 4: Yeah exactly, we never been here.

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Speaker 1: That is not why. Right, I've seen a bunch of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's like then the now no, like these

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Speaker 5: It's like.

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Speaker 2: They're like, yeah, we need to talk about black lives matter,

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Speaker 2: we have to put climate on ice. No, you don't, right,

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Speaker 2: I have never even when I was talking about climate,

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Speaker 2: I always talked about how black lives matter. I always

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Speaker 2: I don't see a conflict in talking about you know,

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Speaker 1: If that exacts sense exactly, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I find it.

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Speaker 1: people in the movement or even outside of it, who

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Speaker 1: you know, are kind of quite conservative and are and

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Speaker 1: make the argument that like, oh, you know, these justice

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Speaker 1: issues are a distraction and it takes too long to

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Speaker 1: solve social justice and all of that, and so's it's

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Speaker 1: actually it's really frustrating and kind of surprising to see

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Speaker 1: people who would never buy into that argument now making this,

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Speaker 1: like thinking that they're being really really you know, progressive

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Speaker 1: and aware, making this argument that you know, you shouldn't

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Speaker 1: talk about climate right now because it's the time to

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Speaker 1: talk about racial justice.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, no, you too, Yeah, yeah, I thought we've

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Speaker 2: been over this.

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Speaker 1: Yep, yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: And I think it's because the climate movement has always

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Speaker 2: sort of acted like they see themselves as being in

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Speaker 2: this really professorial kind of position where they're like going

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Speaker 2: to come in and teach other people. So like, I

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Speaker 2: think the way that they see it is if we

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Speaker 2: connect climate or if we talk about climate now, then

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Speaker 2: we're going to be usurping the conversation.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we don't want to take up space, blah blah.

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Speaker 1: But I feel like part of that is that is

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Speaker 1: like seeing climate as a white issue too, you know exactly.

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Speaker 1: They totays see it as I don't want to take

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Speaker 1: up space, and it's like, uh, this isn't everyone issue.

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Speaker 1: It's a justice issue. It's not like, in fact, it's

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Speaker 1: only minimally a white issue.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, most people on the planet aren't white, surprise, surprise.

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Speaker 2: But I think they always kind of see them.

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Speaker 4: The way that they can.

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Speaker 2: Issues is always like, oh, well, you're worried about, you know,

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Speaker 2: police brutality. Actually you need to be worried about the

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Speaker 2: polar bears because that's a bigger problem, right, Like they

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Speaker 2: always have to trump, for lack of a better term,

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Speaker 2: somebody else's problem, right, Like we saw this, we talked

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Speaker 2: about this in the newsletter with the pandemic. You don't

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Speaker 2: have to if you want to connect climate and COVID,

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Speaker 2: you don't have to be like, well, climate's actually bigger

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Speaker 2: than COVID, so you need to be worried about climate instead, because,

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Speaker 2: believe me, you can worry about more than one thing

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Speaker 2: at a time, and you don't have to play this

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Speaker 2: game of my disasters.

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Speaker 4: Bigger than yours.

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Speaker 2: It's not really not necessary, right right, yeah, right, Like

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Speaker 2: you can just connect the dots because they're not unconnected.

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Speaker 2: They're damn near bleeding together.

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Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, so yeah, yeah, it's frustrating.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So in our full length episode, we are going

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Speaker 2: to talk about this rising movement called the Boogloo Boys.

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Speaker 2: They're actually not rising. They've been around for a long

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Speaker 2: time terrifying.

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Speaker 4: They are terrifying.

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Speaker 2: And I found a few articles about it and I

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Speaker 2: shared with Amy, and I terrified her. We're gonna talk

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Speaker 2: about that, and we're also going to talk about the

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Speaker 2: Boogaloo boys reminded me a lot of the vigilante groups

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Speaker 2: that terrorize New Orleans after Katrina, and so I'm going

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Speaker 2: to terrify Amy even more by making her read through

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Speaker 2: some of those articles. If you want to hear that

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Speaker 2: full episode, which I think is actually really really important,

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Speaker 2: not just for this moment, but how Boogloo could and

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Speaker 2: will interact with climate change, you should subscribe to our

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Speaker 2: newsletter and you will get the full episode.

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Speaker 1: Yes, do it, This is gonna be good.

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Speaker 7: M hm

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Speaker 4: Hm