WEBVTT - 50Sips 0:00:13.640 --> 0:00:16.520 Good morning, good as, good evening, good night. 0:00:16.920 --> 0:00:17.960 No, we're not started like that. 0:00:18.239 --> 0:00:19.400 Let's go, let's do this the right way. 0:00:19.400 --> 0:00:21.600 Would good be hoping to point in our. 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:27.200 Hold on, hold up, it's a boy d J E 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:28.800 F Ben and this is. 0:00:33.120 --> 0:00:35.240 We are intro doesn't include making. 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:39.840 Noise, which that's why it sucks. 0:00:42.159 --> 0:00:43.880 He comes home with a catchphrase. 0:00:43.479 --> 0:00:45.599 Why why does it have to be abuse? 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:50.040 Right away? Your cute in We're done, We're done. 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:52.880 We're done, all right, listen outside the sounds on Peter 0:00:52.960 --> 0:00:55.320 Rosenberg and we're from one of his life, the first 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:58.280 ever hip hop podcast ever ever. 0:00:58.160 --> 0:00:58.920 First ever, first. 0:00:58.960 --> 0:01:02.279 But we're joined by the most successful hip hop podcast 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:06.399 success right and DJA. 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:08.240 And we're also. 0:01:08.080 --> 0:01:12.119 Joined by an incredible cast of legends to celebrate hip 0:01:12.120 --> 0:01:15.039 hop fifty Yeah. We got newcomers who are going to 0:01:15.040 --> 0:01:18.160 be legends. We have absolute icons in our miss yeah. 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:21.080 This is a crazy collection again, this is wild right here. 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:23.319 We got pioneers, we got people doing it right now. 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:25.080 The game hasn't stopped. 0:01:25.600 --> 0:01:28.119 Fifty years old right now, fifty years old. We're calling 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:31.080 this fifty SIPs, ladies and gentlemen, because we're getting drunk. 0:01:31.360 --> 0:01:38.080 Okay, okay, toast today yeah, so toasted hip hop. 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:39.880 Who's crazy idea was this panel? 0:01:40.360 --> 0:01:44.120 It's a great idea, want conglomerations energy? 0:01:44.680 --> 0:01:46.840 Was it the monster go in the boardroom and say, 0:01:47.000 --> 0:01:48.880 let's just do some fucking crazy shit. 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:49.880 That's how. 0:01:51.480 --> 0:01:54.160 It's like, just put everybody together, like from every generation. 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:56.320 And who's whose idea was? I thought he was going 0:01:56.360 --> 0:01:56.760 to claim it? 0:01:56.840 --> 0:01:57.200 Rosenberg. 0:01:57.280 --> 0:02:00.360 No, I'm happy to claim it, but I would be 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:03.120 utterly lying. Now this is super exciting. If I can 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:04.840 you announce the man sitting next to you plans this 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:05.760 is crazy man. 0:02:06.120 --> 0:02:15.040 Leg Grandmaster kas is not mean, it's like hip hop 0:02:15.080 --> 0:02:16.400 is officially here. 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:19.400 If grand Masters in the bills back, I mean you 0:02:19.639 --> 0:02:20.600 the only one. 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:26.160 That was fifty years Yeah, you're really the only one. 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:31.160 You look fantastic. What about introducers next year? 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:33.560 I mean, guys, we're talking about the. 0:02:34.120 --> 0:02:38.040 Original female MC a B girl going back to nineteen 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:39.240 seventy six. 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:40.240 Shut up. 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:44.760 But also let me add that to you. 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:48.160 Nineteen seventy seven, I became the first female MC of 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:53.400 hip hop culture before records before nineteen seventy nine. 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:53.800 Wow. 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:55.560 Wow, yes, wow, that's my sister. 0:02:55.639 --> 0:02:58.000 We on Rock and Bells Radio Monday through Product. 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:00.160 Yeah, that's that's right every single day. 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:02.680 And let me just start before we get to all 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:05.080 these other introductions. I do want to start with you, guys, 0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:07.760 the ogs, the true og is here. How has hip 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:10.240 Hop fifty been treated you so far? Have you been 0:03:10.320 --> 0:03:13.120 enjoying the celebration most definitely. 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:16.400 We've been on radio for about almost two years now, 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:20.280 and so we chronologically go over the history of the 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:22.960 culture on a regular since we've been on the radio. 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:26.040 That's what our show is about. And this year has 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:28.720 been amazing. I mean, we saw it coming, you know, 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:31.680 we talked about it, but actually when it came in, 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:35.040 everything came to fruition and it's like, you know, we 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:35.840 just hope that. 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:38.600 It continues in year fifty one. 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:41.920 Like we talked about earlier, this is important. This is 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:44.520 a milestone, and this is going to be our first 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:46.280 fiftieth and our last fiftieth. 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:49.520 We're going to be around here for the next one. 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:52.040 So it's extra special to us. 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:56.000 My thing, Yeah, my thing is that, And this is 0:03:56.040 --> 0:03:58.720 what I want everybody to understand when we're. 0:03:58.640 --> 0:03:59.800 Talking about the fiftieth. 0:04:00.000 --> 0:04:02.240 In the version of hip hop culture, there is no 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:05.800 way that we are supposed to be just celebrating the 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:07.640 rap aspect of hip hop. 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:10.320 Culture, the culture and all. 0:04:10.560 --> 0:04:12.800 A satus of hip hop coaching and all the elements 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:15.320 is the DJ, the B girl, the B boy, the 0:04:15.360 --> 0:04:19.080 graffiti artist. You know what I'm saying, the MC, we 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:21.800 are supposed to be celebrating. And for everybody that's watching 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:24.000 the show right now, if you're not celebrating all of 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:27.080 those aspects, you are not representing hip hop culture to 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:27.680 its fullest. 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:29.520 You're not. You're not. 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:31.200 These guys came with an agenda. 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:35.000 This is no no, This is something no no. 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:36.880 This is something that I preach you all the time. 0:04:37.080 --> 0:04:38.720 This is something that I preach all the time. 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:41.320 And my thing is that you don't have to be 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:43.200 out there B girl and B boying, you know, but 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:45.599 the DJ, the MC, We'll all celebrate. These are what 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:48.360 accomplished what hip hop is. These are the elements that 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:51.720 it's called hip hop from the time that Keith Cowboys 0:04:51.720 --> 0:04:55.279 first coined the name Keith hip hop culture. 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:57.040 This is what hip hop is about. 0:04:57.279 --> 0:04:59.280 And so when you hear you know, the status and 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:02.599 you hear some people you know saying ho, you're saying yes, yes, sir, 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:04.800 you got to know where that came from. You got 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:07.800 to understand the history behind it, So there's no gender there. 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:10.560 It's just the history of the culture that we're celebrating 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:13.040 fifty years of hip hop and you gotta know what 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:16.240 that means, and it tells bottom line. 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:22.520 Blake makes a noise for that, and it's funny to 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:25.839 say that because I feel, you know, like you said, 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:30.920 the four elements DJing, graffiti, MC, and then Breaking, and they. 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:34.159 Added knowledge be boxing, but that came later. 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:37.800 But those are the four core elements that encompass what hip. 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:42.080 Hop is and I feel Breaking sometimes gets treated lesser 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:44.560 on the on the totem pole. So we got a 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:49.320 B Boy legend, b Boy Moy in the building who's 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:55.240 who's had been part of taking Breaking to the Olympics. 0:05:56.040 --> 0:05:57.960 So bro, come on, yo, man. 0:05:58.000 --> 0:05:59.960 First off, I just want to say it's an honor 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:02.960 and a blessing to be surrounded by legends in the game. 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:05.320 You know, I started Breaking ninety five, but to be 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:09.040 surrounded by so much history, I mean, honestly, I get chills, 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:12.200 you know, to be here and to just elevate the 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:14.880 culture and where Breaking is going with now Paris twenty 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:18.160 twenty four and Breaking now being on the Olympic platform, 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:21.279 I think Breaking is finally going to receive that reinforcement 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:23.800 that is always needed because back in the eighties, I 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:27.000 mean it was it was definitely seeing movies like Flash 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:30.560 Dance or documentaries like Style Wars and Breaking. It was 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:32.960 elevating the culture in so many ways, but the Breaker 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:35.800 was always getting pushed back in the back burner. But 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:39.679 you know, thanks Shirak for bringing that to light because 0:06:40.000 --> 0:06:42.159 you know, the Bee Boys and the be Girls, you know, 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:44.720 we're a big piece of the culture and it got 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:48.320 to be combined together and reinforced. And I just love 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:51.039 that just the concept and the idea of hip hop 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:52.880 culture growing and to be a part of it. 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:54.119 Man, it's a true blessing. 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:57.200 Well, it was hard to see b boying and Breaking 0:06:57.240 --> 0:07:00.760 because think about it, like the DJ, it plays the 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:04.080 music and it's part of foundation. MC's original job was 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:08.040 to pig up the DJ. And then you take graffiti 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:12.280 where your goal was for the graffiti to be seen everywhere. 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:14.200 So that's why they put it literally on a train 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:17.880 so it would move around the city. How was Breaking represented, 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:20.360 you know what I'm saying. So now it's gonna be 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:22.880 in the Olympics and on the main screen. It's going 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:25.160 to show a whole other level of bit. 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:27.840 Look, the Bee Boys, the B Girls, they don't exist 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:30.720 without the DJ, they don't exist without the MC, they 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:34.120 don't exist without the artwork. All together, it paints a 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:37.480 beautiful picture. And I just hope that the IOC, the 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:41.640 International Olympic Committee, can really reinforce that because, you know, 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:45.000 the opportunity of being part of a big platform. You know, 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:48.640 everyone is a little has a little fear that the 0:07:48.880 --> 0:07:51.360 essence of hip hop culture might be diluted. But it's 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:53.760 important for people like us to kind of voice our 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:56.840 thoughts and opinions and kind of bring that expertise to 0:07:56.880 --> 0:07:59.080 the table and make sure that that we go out 0:07:59.080 --> 0:07:59.720 there and do that. 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:00.680 You know, I just want to see. 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:03.040 I just want to see what what commentators they have 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:04.040 from NBC. 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:09.760 That conversation we had because I'm a big girl in 0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:12.000 nineteen seventy six, right, and so of course you know 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:14.960 who heard seventy three, you know, father of hip hop. 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:17.160 We've we called him the father of hip hop because 0:08:17.440 --> 0:08:19.480 you know, he had the A one B Boys, the 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:23.200 Keiths and Kevin, which you know was called the legendary Twins, 0:08:23.200 --> 0:08:25.680 and he changed their name you know recently, Right, No, 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:29.040 for real, and then you had Tricksy the first. 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:33.240 Yeah, I love it. 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:41.160 I'm loving that. I don't know, I'm glad that he 0:08:41.280 --> 0:08:41.640 said that. 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:42.760 His face was like, oh. 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:47.240 No, no, that's what they were called back in the days, 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:49.480 you know, the first MC so we knew them as 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:50.200 the Twins. 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:51.000 But as they got. 0:08:50.840 --> 0:09:00.720 Older, twins, thank you, they recently changed the names changing. 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:03.360 But the thing is, what I'm saying is like you said, 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:05.040 you know, far as the B Girls and the Bee Boys, 0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:07.040 and we'll get to the graffiti, you know, how they're 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:10.080 intertwined with hip hop, you know in general, but yeah, 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:12.320 the Bee Boys and B Girls are underground. And my 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:15.280 thing has always been, listen, if they go into the Olympics, 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:17.400 you got to know where it came from. And yes, 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:20.280 people like to say, oh B bee Boyism and B 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:22.680 Giralism started back, you know, in the thirties, you know, 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:25.960 when you had you know, different old older people, you know, breakdancing. 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:28.640 But we're talking about hip hop culture and Cass has 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:32.320 this saying that, you know, hip hop didn't invent anything, 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:35.319 re reinvented everything. So I hate when people come, yeah, 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:36.920 when it started in the thirties and started in the 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:40.120 four forties, no hip hop was reinvented, and all of 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:43.400 those elements were reinvented, you know, to you know, to 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:46.000 make up the culture of hip hop. So I would 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:48.000 like to see and we talked about that of how 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:51.199 breakdancing is going to or be girlism or bee boyism 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:53.440 is going to how it's going to affect you know. 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:55.920 I want to see it, take it taken from the 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:57.319 beginning to how it is now. 0:09:57.559 --> 0:09:59.360 One thing we got to know is that I don't 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:01.760 think hip pop would have grown internationally the way it 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:05.200 did without the bee boys and girls graffiti, because before 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:09.600 they understood the lyrics they was dancing, was tagging up. 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:11.360 It's none without the other. 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:15.160 I can't wait to see the Bulgarian Olympic bee boy. 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:17.679 I heard. 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:22.520 We started with the up rocks, the up rocks in 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:24.559 the seventies with the up rocks, and then it progressed, 0:10:24.600 --> 0:10:26.480 you know, to the floor moves and all of that. 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:29.440 Maybe they'll create a sequel to like Cool Runnings right 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:30.600 right about. 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:31.640 The Bulgarian Boys. 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:33.000 That would be something. 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:34.200 Rudenberg. 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:35.840 You can shout out the Bulgarian. 0:10:37.600 --> 0:10:40.560 Shout out the Bulgarian twins side. 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:42.640 If only we had someone here from the graph world 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:44.559 to you know, explain the graffiti. 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:47.320 So I mean, O g l a graffiti legend. 0:10:47.400 --> 0:10:47.600 Risk. 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:54.560 Oh, I'm like gonna try on the wall here, man, 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:56.839 I'm just listening everything. I'm just it's honored to be here. 0:10:56.880 --> 0:10:58.000 This is fucking amazing. 0:10:58.800 --> 0:10:59.000 Risk. 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:01.280 You tell us a little bit about your origins, your 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:02.840 origin story, and when you went to New York from 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:03.760 LA for the first time. 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:06.560 Yeah, man, so, uh, you know, I was interested stret 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:08.160 feeding from someone from New York. And I saw the 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:12.680 trains and and uh style Wars and uh you know 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:14.679 subwhere art that was like the Bible to us, stuff 0:11:14.720 --> 0:11:17.280 like that, and all I want to do is paint trains, right, 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:19.319 So we didn't have trains. I went paying some freight trains. 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:21.880 That wasn't the same feeling. I graduated high school. I 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:24.520 hitch hiked that day to New York to hit trains, 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:26.720 and I just I was like, I was on a mission. 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:30.560 Is what is exactly h hitch hiking? What is exactly that? 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:33.440 Well, you put your dumb up and after that was 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:34.319 just on TV. 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:38.120 You do one of these days. I didn't even get 0:11:38.120 --> 0:11:39.400 out of Hollywood. SOE was like, what are you doing? 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:40.800 I sad I'm hitchhiking to paint trains. 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:42.040 He goes, you're fucking stupid. 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:43.160 He goes, take my car. 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:45.839 I'm like, what's the acting is, I'll pay you to 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:46.880 drive the car said great. 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:47.760 So it was. 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:49.280 It was a little easier, but I made it to 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:52.480 New York and I met some great legendary dudes, Ghosts 0:11:52.480 --> 0:11:55.040 and Vin and Reese and Kat and Chino and all 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:57.720 these dudes within like five minutes in New York. 0:11:58.360 --> 0:11:59.600 And they're like. 0:11:59.559 --> 0:11:59.920 What do you do? 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:01.720 I told me. They said, that's fucking wild. 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:03.199 They you're gonna get killed. 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:04.480 You're fucking out of your mind. 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:06.280 And they hooked me up, man, and they took me 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:07.559 in and they took me into all your hearts and 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:09.280 the trains, and we started painting. I met Lee and 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:11.800 all these dudes and went to Henry's studio and it 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:15.480 was fucking amazing. And uh, that was my introduction to graffiti, 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:18.040 to becoming like on the platform of graffiti with all 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:21.840 these giants, so to speak. And I was always embraced 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:23.520 by New York and I was a West Coast student. 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:25.680 I have a New York style, and that's where it 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:27.480 came from. That's how it started, you know. I was 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:30.320 started in eighty three, and uh yeah, I love it, 0:12:30.400 --> 0:12:33.160 love the art form. I appreciate every aspect of it. 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:36.040 I appreciate every aspect of hip hop, you know. 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:38.320 And let me let me go sound with you, sir. 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:40.960 When you talk about graffiti art, a lot of people 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:43.959 like to say, okay, so graffiti, you know, it was, 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:48.199 had their own their own section, right. But how it 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:50.920 came in to play with hip hop culture is because 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:53.520 you had the people like Buddy Esquire, who was the 0:12:53.600 --> 0:12:55.240 king of flyers in New York, and then you had 0:12:55.280 --> 0:12:58.200 Anthony Rowley, and then you had other you know, artists 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:00.800 you know that were painting on the trains in New 0:13:00.840 --> 0:13:01.360 York City. 0:13:01.800 --> 0:13:03.800 And what happened was in nineteen. 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:07.000 Seventy eight switched the whole game of graffiti coming into 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:09.640 play with hip hop culture. And how that started was 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:11.280 is that they took what they were doing on the 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:15.560 trains and transitioned it to flyers. And so that's how 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:18.079 he said, okay, well, hip hop, you know, graffiti is 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:21.080 not fighters. But that's how it came into play with 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:24.559 hip hop through the through the graph artists that were 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:27.199 painted on the trains, like the Buddy Esquires and Anthony 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:30.600 Rowleies that would transferred that information over to flyer makers, 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:36.240 and so Buddy Buddy Esquire became the first uh graffiti artists, 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:37.880 you know, to make flyers. He was a part of 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:39.959 my group, the Flankie four plus one of the Brothers Disco, 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:43.040 and he began to start making fights for every single 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:46.160 group artist that was out there, you know. And so 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:49.800 that's how you know, graffiti intertwined with that. And he 0:13:49.840 --> 0:13:52.800 started drawing uh graffiti on people. 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:56.000 Pays you make your sound French. 0:14:00.559 --> 0:14:02.600 Saw the Bronx, but I'm living in Texas down so 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:05.880 you get the book. So you're getting at the book 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:08.400 the world. So what happened is that he he started 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:11.080 drawing on on on the pants and the dungarees, you know, 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:13.959 the eight ball jackets and all that stuff. And on 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:17.040 my DJ's car, DJ Breakout on the Doom Buggy. He 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:19.360 started doing the graffiti on doom buggies and cars. And 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:23.080 that's how graffiti came over to hip hop culture as 0:14:23.160 --> 0:14:25.160 one of the elements for hip hop culture. 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:26.800 I want to I want to look at graffiti. 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:33.120 Guini, Why can you tell us a little bit about 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:36.560 your your coming up, your first sort of engagement with 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:38.280 hip hop, like do you I always ask that to 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:40.800 New York artists. But growing up in Texas, what was 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:43.000 your first engagement with hip hop? 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:43.760 Cost That's a. 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:47.760 Great question actually, So I had a stepmom that was 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:49.880 really into music and she would keep a lot of 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:52.440 music around it, and it was it was a mix 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:54.640 of music, right, So there was some hip hop, early 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:56.640 hip hop throwing in there, but then it was also 0:14:56.720 --> 0:15:00.600 like Millie Jackson and Dolomite and like real wold shit. 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:01.080 Right, you know. 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:03.960 So as hip hop started to become more reflective, I 0:15:04.000 --> 0:15:06.160 was like, okay, well, well the ship they were making 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:08.400 then it's kind of like this but with different beats 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:10.120 and all of that. But I think for me it 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:12.320 was obviously the message was the first record that I 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:14.920 was like, damn broken glass everywhere with the fuck are 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:15.920 these people living there? 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:16.560 Right? 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:19.600 Like we had we had projects and we you know, 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:21.320 we had projects. 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:23.680 It was crazy, but it wasn't broken glass everything. 0:15:24.520 --> 0:15:24.760 You know what. 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:29.040 People just don't care. 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:30.600 Right where they lived at. 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:32.760 And the more you listen to it, like me being 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:35.120 in Texas, in the small town of Port Art, I'm like, yo, 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:37.600 it shit happening in LA That kind of sound like 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:39.960 it's happening here. It shit happening in New York. That 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:42.120 kind of sound like it's happening here. I just don't 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:44.840 get those words right. And then you start meeting people, 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:47.120 you start to break down the lexicon. Oh, that's what 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:49.680 that means. We just call it like stabbing the nigga. 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:52.480 So that's what buck fifty mean, that's what okay? 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:52.840 All right? 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:53.240 Cool? 0:15:53.400 --> 0:15:54.840 And then you start all I'm like, oh yeah. 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:56.400 And then the Ghetto Boys made the song you know 0:15:56.480 --> 0:16:00.400 the world is a ghetto, and we realized that everything 0:16:00.400 --> 0:16:03.400 that we're doing, everybody else is doing. We use different words, 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:06.160 we saved a different way. We say graffiti, right, but 0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:09.960 we all know what we're talking about. But I wanted 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:12.320 to be an active part of it, right. I came 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:15.520 in as a fan with a real big appreciation of lyricism, 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:17.240 and I was like, one day, like I want to 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:19.600 I saw a microphone fiend. I was like, I want 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:22.200 to be cool like that. Like the video Black and 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:24.680 White Walking with the Light had the little dude with 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:26.480 the chain. I said, I'm gonna get Oh, I'm kids, 0:16:26.480 --> 0:16:28.600 my little man gonna have a gold chain. We're gonna 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:30.160 be flying all that type of shit. 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:31.480 You know what I'm saying. But it was something that 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:33.200 I felt like I had to be a part of. 0:16:33.480 --> 0:16:36.560 It felt so different from everything else that everybody was doing, 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:39.360 and there was a clear entry point for me to 0:16:39.360 --> 0:16:42.240 get in. So I started out actually breakdancing first. You 0:16:42.240 --> 0:16:44.120 know what I'm saying. I think my move was a 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:46.320 suicide because I was a big dude when I got 0:16:46.320 --> 0:16:49.320 this suicide. Yes, yes, I remember going to break In 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:52.440 two and we just started breakdancing in the movie, did 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:54.600 you know what I'm saying, Like, we just started. 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:55.880 Battling in there, you know. 0:16:56.680 --> 0:17:00.360 But when I picked up depending, I started writing and trash. 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:02.760 It'd be very real. My first rounds were trash. They 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:04.840 were garbage. But I was on beat, which is better 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:06.280 than half of the niggas in the group I was with. 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:11.040 They didn't even nobody took the beat. But I wanted 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:13.800 to be a great MC right. I wanted to be 0:17:14.000 --> 0:17:16.280 where if I ever did go to New York and 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:18.359 I met somebody that I looked them to, like a 0:17:18.359 --> 0:17:21.640 big Daddy or Coogi Rap or Bis Markie or Massas. 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:24.560 I was a big Juice Crew fan, obviously because they 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:27.199 were like one of the people that perpetuated eight or 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:29.720 eight base right and the South Base was a big 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:31.679 part of the culture, so it was very easy for 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:34.800 us to enjoy New York music. But I wanted to 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:37.359 when I met MC's to be like, Yo, you can rap. 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:38.480 You know what I'm saying. 0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:40.680 It wasn't And when I started rapping in eighty eight, 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:43.040 it was not about getting money. It was not about 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:45.480 being rich. I never knew if I would ever make 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:47.639 any money off of hip hop. I didn't know if 0:17:47.640 --> 0:17:49.280 I would ever put a record out. But I wanted 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:51.480 people to say I was a dope MC. And here 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:54.199 I am thirty two years later, still beating niggas up 0:17:54.440 --> 0:17:54.960 on the mic. 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:55.800 You know what I'm saying? 0:17:56.200 --> 0:18:04.040