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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks, it is Saturday, January thirty first, and

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Speaker 1: the son in Sanford and Son has passed away. And

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Speaker 1: with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ

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Speaker 1: and Robes. Everybody to this day you know it, you

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Speaker 1: just you know that Jingle and Robes. A lot of

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Speaker 1: people might not be able to come up with his

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Speaker 1: name immediately, his real name, but you know his character's name.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you love Sanford and Son. You know Lamont Lamont Sanford.

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Speaker 2: He was the son of Red Fox, a famed actor.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, just pulling up his picture from back in

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Speaker 2: the day, from the iconic show, you're like, oh, man, yes,

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Speaker 2: he was at.

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Speaker 3: In every household. It was the number one show on television.

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Speaker 1: I don't know his face any other way, like I didn't.

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Speaker 1: I don't remember seeing him age. He is stuck forever.

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Speaker 1: Now we've seen some recent pictures now since the word

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Speaker 1: of his passing, but that he is stuck in our

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Speaker 1: brains as that guy with the thick mustache, with the

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Speaker 1: afro and the same look on his face and the

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Speaker 1: So we have lost now a guy who was, who

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Speaker 1: was and continues to be a part of television history

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Speaker 1: with this show. Grady Demand Wilson has passed away at

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Speaker 1: the age of seventy nine. Passed away, confirmed by his son.

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Speaker 1: Died of cancer. He didn't say what type of cancer

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Speaker 1: it was, but passed away in California yesterday, Robes and

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Speaker 1: everybody is stopping and taking a moment and thinking back.

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Speaker 1: But these episodes of the show, it essentially never stopped airing.

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Speaker 1: It's been in syndication and streaming in a bunch of places.

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Speaker 1: It's always been on TV.

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Speaker 2: We forget about that, right, you know, because as even

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Speaker 2: our kids can watch these reruns and they are as

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Speaker 2: familiar sometimes with these faces in these.

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Speaker 3: Shows as we were. But yes, that music just the

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Speaker 3: sign of the time. It takes you right back.

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Speaker 2: There are certain actors that can take you immediately back

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Speaker 2: to your childhood, where you were, what you were doing,

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Speaker 2: how you were feeling when you think about that time

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Speaker 2: in your life. This show aired interestingly from nineteen seventy

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Speaker 2: two to nineteen seventy seven, so it ended the year

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Speaker 2: you were born. And yet it's such And obviously I

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Speaker 2: was too young while it was airing live to be

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Speaker 3: I was four, But still you.

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Speaker 2: And I grew up with that show in syndication and reruns.

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Speaker 1: I don't even understand how. I had no idea that

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Speaker 1: this show ended the year I was born. It was

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Speaker 1: a current new hit. As far as I knew growing up,

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Speaker 1: it was a fart. It was one of those shows.

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Speaker 1: I know it. I see it. I know where the

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Speaker 1: stairs are. They go in there to the kitchen with

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Speaker 1: the swing. The bar was right there at the couch,

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Speaker 1: and I know the setup in the I don't know

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Speaker 1: why I know this show that well, but it is

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Speaker 1: just a part of history, and he is a part

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Speaker 1: of that that rolls in a lot of ways. Didn't

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Speaker 1: know a lot about him, didn't know a lot about

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Speaker 1: his career, didn't know a lot about what he did

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Speaker 1: after the show. But man, you have to take a

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Speaker 1: moment when something and it's such a part of your life,

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Speaker 1: you do you feel like a part of your youth

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Speaker 1: you just lost. Yeah, because he was a part. It's

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Speaker 1: a weird thing to feel.

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Speaker 2: This sounds strange, but the way was on in syndication

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Speaker 2: in my life.

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Speaker 3: When I was in grade school.

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Speaker 2: I remember when I heard Sanford and Son come on

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Speaker 2: right after Mash, I knew I had to go upstairs

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Speaker 2: when I heard that song come on, I was like, oh,

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Speaker 2: it's almost dinner time. I think it must have aired

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Speaker 2: around five pm in Saint Louis, Missouri when I was

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Speaker 2: in my formative years, because I just remember that song

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Speaker 2: and the show being on and hearing the laugh track

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Speaker 2: and the background, like it's just such an iconic part

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Speaker 2: of all of our history of a certain age. And

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Speaker 2: he he was a bright light, you know Red Fox's character,

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Speaker 1: You know, it was no see what you're saying.

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Speaker 3: He was.

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Speaker 1: He was kind of the moral compass or balance, even

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Speaker 1: to Red Fox's character, who was always up to some

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Speaker 1: I always wanted to get money, but Lamont always he

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Speaker 1: Can't remember your case right now. It was just that

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Speaker 2: Yes, and that's why when I saw the picture, I

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Speaker 2: obviously saw Sanford and Son. Scroll down a little bit.

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Speaker 2: You see the picture from the nineteen seventy He's like, oh, yes,

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Speaker 2: And he still acted throughout his career, but nothing as iconic,

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Speaker 3: That was a show for six seasons like no other.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we will get into a little more about

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Speaker 1: his background. Things we did not know, did not realize

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Speaker 1: until this morning, or until at least we heard word

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Speaker 1: of his passing. I didn't really this show was such

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Speaker 1: some contract disputes. They didn't take it off because all

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Speaker 1: it's not doing we wow. But it was two years

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Speaker 1: and I think it was in the top two, but

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Speaker 1: a short run of incredible success for seventy two to

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Speaker 3: I didn't know it was that old, even.

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Speaker 2: I you know what, I didn't either, because I thought

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Speaker 2: I was seeing those episodes air in real time, not

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Speaker 2: I didn't, I say with them. There are some shows

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Speaker 2: I didn't realize how much earlier it actually debuted because

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Speaker 3: As a kid that I wasn't seeing it in its

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Speaker 3: first run. And that's the same with Samford and I.

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Speaker 1: Got so many questions now, I don't know. Did I

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Speaker 1: ever see a new episode of Good Times? I don't know,

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Speaker 1: Like all these shows that I watched now, I didn't

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Speaker 1: I think he played like a robber or something. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I didn't know that either. I you know, it was funny.

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Speaker 2: You and I were talking and I said, did you

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Speaker 2: know this? Did He was like, yeah, I read the

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Speaker 2: same article you did. I learned it today. But it

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Speaker 2: is cool when it does take unfortunately someone passing, but

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Speaker 2: you start to realize you just know them as this character.

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Speaker 2: You just they're just in this this place in history,

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Speaker 2: maybe in your life, in your timeline, but then you

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Speaker 2: start to actually read about them and find out how

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Speaker 2: a very very interesting and very cool and admirable resume

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Speaker 2: leading up to this. And to be discovered on one

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Speaker 1: No, these two put together and Amy, I think it

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And it became a hit.

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Speaker 1: It became a hit, and again on top for the

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Speaker 1: five seasons. Didn't get canceled for low ratings. But I

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Speaker 3: I didn't.

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Speaker 1: We talked about a lot of shows that are iconic,

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Speaker 2: You know, that's a good point because now we see

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Speaker 3: You don't we look we in the amount.

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Speaker 2: When you talk about being a number one show back then,

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Speaker 2: You have so many opportunities, so many outlets to go

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Speaker 1: Even dream of astronomical. We talk about like NFL numbers. Yes,

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Speaker 1: But it's like a show like like off the top

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Speaker 1: The seasons that Saint was the same for.

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Speaker 3: I couldn't tell you what the number is.

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Speaker 1: But we think iconic shows have long runs, don't they?

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Speaker 1: Five seasons seems quick to be iconic for me at

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Speaker 1: forty eight to be standing here talking about a show

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Speaker 3: Relatively show.

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Speaker 2: But maybe if you have the six seasons, but they

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Speaker 2: it's almost like it never went away. And so in

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Speaker 3: You know what's funny.

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Speaker 2: When I was reading about the show, because I was

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Speaker 3: Dummy, you big Plaine, ordinary dummy.

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Speaker 4: I just I could see Red Fox saying it, his

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Speaker 4: oh my god, I totally remember that. But it's funny

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Speaker 1: Did he do it every episode?

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Speaker 1: Another one Elizabeth? Every episode? Did he not say, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 2: His son had sweet things to say about how much

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Speaker 2: I'm coming to you, Elizabeth, And while clutching his chest his.

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Speaker 1: So folks who appreciate you. Always thought it was important

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Speaker 1: spending some time with us, some TJ. Holmes you have