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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. All Right, welcome to the wire Hunt podcast,

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Speaker 1: brought to you by on X. As I just mentioned,

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Speaker 1: we're going to continue with the format I tested out

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Speaker 1: last week. So if you listen to what would John

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Speaker 1: Eberhardt do? You know what to expect in this one.

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Speaker 1: But today it's what would Steve Bartilla do. We've got

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Speaker 1: a very different perspective on hunting, a very different set

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Speaker 1: of experience, as a different approach. Um. So it makes

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Speaker 1: this an interesting different way of looking at things than

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Speaker 1: we have with John. Um. Steve hunts both public land

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Speaker 1: and private manage land. He hunts uh, some spots that

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Speaker 1: he's able to do a lot of things with. He

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Speaker 1: hunts some spots where we can't do anything. Um. He

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Speaker 1: I think one of my favorite things about Steve is

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Speaker 1: that he's very open to other ideas. He's very open to, Hey,

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Speaker 1: I don't know everything. This is the way it works

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Speaker 1: for me, it might not work for you. I always

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Speaker 1: find that refreshing about him. Um. But overall, most importantly,

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Speaker 1: the guy is a great deer hunter, a great communicator,

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Speaker 1: about what he's doing, and he talks about everything from

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Speaker 1: how he would hunt, you know, with a family member

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Speaker 1: on the same property who's doing crazy things, what would

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Speaker 1: he do in that scenario? He answers questions about how

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Speaker 1: he might approach a situation where a dope comes into

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Speaker 1: heat really early, let's say mid October. What are we

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Speaker 1: doing that scenario? We talk about how he might hunt

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Speaker 1: in the rut when he's wondering if you changed dand

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Speaker 1: locations or not, if he's gonna do it, what time

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Speaker 1: of date. Those are just a couple of the hypotheticals

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Speaker 1: I throw out at him, many many others. This is

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Speaker 1: a long conversation, but a good one, so I don't

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Speaker 1: want to spend too much time beating around the bush.

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Speaker 1: Let's just get right into it. I hope you enjoy this.

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Speaker 1: I guess I should preface this though, for I do

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Speaker 1: that if you don't know who Steve Bartilla is, I

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Speaker 1: guess I'm just kind of assuming you do because he's

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Speaker 1: been on the podcast multiple times, I think three times

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Speaker 1: in the past. He's great. He's a long time outdoor

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Speaker 1: writer for many of the different top deer hunting publications.

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Speaker 1: He's been on a number of TV shows you've probably

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Speaker 1: seen him these days, and a lot of things for

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Speaker 1: Deer and Deer Hunting Magazine and their shows, his television

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Speaker 1: show Grown Big. He's all over the place. Um, that's

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Speaker 1: get into it. Now, Enjoy our conversation with Steve Bartilla,

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Speaker 1: take some notes, think about how these scenarios might apply

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Speaker 1: to your own hunting situation, and enjoy. All Right, folks,

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to have back with us Steve Bartilla. Steve,

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Speaker 1: thanks for coming back on the show. Hey, Mark, it's

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Speaker 1: absolutely my pleasure and securely my honor to be able

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Speaker 1: to do stuff like that. Well, hey, right back at you.

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Speaker 1: I feel pretty lucky to be able to do it,

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Speaker 1: to getting to chat with folks like you and pick

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Speaker 1: your brains. Um, it's that time of year for a

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Speaker 1: a steadily growing day by day rise and anticipation for

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Speaker 1: are excited to just get their mind deep into white

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Speaker 1: tail stuff. And you were one of the first people

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Speaker 1: I thought of when I thought, Okay, how do we

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Speaker 1: ramp up into the last part summer. You'd be a

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Speaker 1: good place to start. Steve, so pressures on. We're expecting

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Speaker 1: a lot. You gotta help us scratch that white tailage?

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Speaker 1: Can you? Can you do it? I'll do my best, man,

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Speaker 1: I'll do my bes. How how is the summer prep

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Speaker 1: going for you so far? This year? Really exceptional? Um?

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Speaker 1: I'm working on two long term large management projects that

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Speaker 1: pinched myself every day. Things are going extremely well in

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Speaker 1: those regards, and frankly, even when they aren't, it's like

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Speaker 1: an overly used cliche and all sorts of professions, but

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Speaker 1: I sure thought it when I read an article about

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Speaker 1: the more enjoyment I get out of just watching other

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Speaker 1: people enjoy nature. And that's god, I've turned into that

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Speaker 1: cheesy old man. Um. I don't get me wrong. I've

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Speaker 1: more fun to me these days than anything else. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's hard to explain, but I've turned into I've turned

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Speaker 1: into that cheesy whole time or my friends. And I

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Speaker 1: that's going to be you as well. Yeah, I passed

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Speaker 1: no judgment on you, because you're right, it probably will

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Speaker 1: be me soon. But so, yeah, there's a whole bunch

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Speaker 1: And what I do is I split my time between hunting. Honestly,

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Speaker 1: A lot of people are hitting the woods and holy man,

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Speaker 1: There definitely is a resurgence of of interest in hunting

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Speaker 1: And for as much as we do not like seeing

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Speaker 1: thoset boot tracks in our in our public ground spot,

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Speaker 1: if we're not seeing them, eventually we don't have public

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Speaker 1: of the community, right, we need to keep throwing the ranks.

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Speaker 1: You got it, well, But that let's talk some real stuff. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: today because you have this experience managing and planning food

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Speaker 1: also have this experience going to public land, hiking in there,

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Speaker 1: what's your thought process? And then how you would actually,

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Speaker 1: to go into Mark Kenyon's fun house of crazy deer

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Speaker 1: hunting scenarios, that's the game plan. Here will be an

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Speaker 1: absolute blast. But I am going to preface everything they

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Speaker 1: say right apprint that all anybody's going to hear is

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Speaker 1: one person's opinion. There's infinite ways to skin these cats,

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Speaker 1: and the best way to do it is the one

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Speaker 1: that works for you. But these are just but yeah,

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Speaker 1: It's there's it's not black and white. There's lots of

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Speaker 1: different ways to do it. I like that about you, Steve,

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Speaker 1: So never change, okay, never change. Light life has a

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Speaker 1: way of keeping me home for every time I think

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Speaker 1: I got this stuff really figured out, I get served

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Speaker 1: a humongous slice the humble pot. Deer hunting has a

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Speaker 1: way of doing that as it should be. So some

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Speaker 1: of these are going to be more private land and

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Speaker 1: management focused, some of these are going to be hunting,

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Speaker 1: And and also so if I ask a question that

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Speaker 1: to work them in in October. But when you're able

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00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 1: to create that social scrape like that the year rounds

429
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 1: I don't care what term you want to use for it.

430
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 1: What I look at it as a communication hub where

431
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 1: they're they're not actually not pawing the ground hardly at all,

432
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 1: but they're working that licking branch. And what you'll notice

433
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 1: over summer, the does end up working in the liking

434
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 1: branches a heck of a lot more than the bucks

435
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 1: to um. But when you get that in the right spot,

436
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,160
Speaker 1: you're going to end up having just about every buck

437
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 1: in that area stop off and visit once or twice

438
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: a month, just to keep up on everything else. Otherwise,

439
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:10,960
Speaker 1: think of it as thank you with it no different

440
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 1: than bowling, you know. I mean, sure there's some stakes

441
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 1: so while baiting and all that stuff, And I'm not

442
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 1: trying to rip on baiters in any way, shape or form,

443
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: but most of us don't bait when we're hunting. But

444
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 1: yet somehow we're able to figure out fairly decent where

445
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 1: those mature bucks are gonna be walking. Do with the

446
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: trail camera you do, I mean just your trail camera

447
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 1: is essentially a tree stand with somebody sitting in a seven. Now, Um,

448
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 1: but the big the two big things that I really

449
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,160
Speaker 1: focus on, well three. Obviously I want to get them

450
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 1: in spots where I will get intel, but way too much,

451
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 1: way too much. We want to get intel on that

452
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 1: betting area that's a hundred yards back in the woods.

453
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 1: So we go a hundred back in the woods and

454
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 1: slap camera on that betting area, when, huh, couldn't you

455
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 1: get intel on that bedding area almost almost as effectively

456
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 1: simply by setting up on the trail that leads to

457
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 1: the betting area that dumps into that field. No, you're

458
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 1: not getting the exact same quality of intel, but you're

459
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: getting pretty darn good intel on what's going on in

460
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: that bedding area, because most of the deer you're seeing

461
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: enter that field off of that trail, either we're betting

462
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 1: in there or stopped by and this is it before

463
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 1: they came home. Really think about how can I get

464
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: this intel while putting my cameras in lower impact locations.

465
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: One of the biggest sins I think there is when

466
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 1: it comes to using cameras is they're supposed to help us,

467
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: not hurt us. Now, what a person can do, UM,

468
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: if you have some of the louder flash cams, is

469
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 1: go ahead and set them up off the ground, or

470
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,640
Speaker 1: you can even use them to your advantage. And that

471
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 1: is UM, don't take what I'm saying wrong. I do

472
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: not believe that most deer are afraid of a flash cam,

473
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 1: or even if even a camera that clicks to end

474
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: up getting used to it if it's on a mineral

475
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: liquor or a small water hole or a corner pile

476
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: or something like that. But now let's say that let's

477
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 1: say that metal that we set up that staging plot

478
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: in happens to be six years wide. I'm not taking

479
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 1: a sixt year in poke with my boated ear. But

480
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: what if I place that flash camera on the opposite

481
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: side of that metal. It's nowhere near enough to actually

482
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,399
Speaker 1: scare that buck from not going in that metal again,

483
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: but it tends to encourage a percentage of them to

484
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 1: travel the other side a little bit more, and that's

485
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 1: where my camera happens to be. That's about the only time.

486
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: That's about the only scenario where I think it is

487
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 1: acceptable for cameras too. I don't know, educate, for lack

488
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 1: of a better term, deer, there's a situation like that. Otherwise,

489
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: really think about where you're putting those cameras, and think

490
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 1: about how you're checking them when you're checking them, all

491
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 1: that good stuff, because geez, way too often trying to

492
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: learn that ground, we end up exploding it by running

493
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: our own cams. Yeah, like you said, it can sometimes

494
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: be your worst enemy if you go the wrong way

495
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: with it. You talked about this little meadow that we're

496
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: turning into a into a little staging plot of sorts.

497
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: Let's let's keep going with this scenario a little bit further.

498
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna adjust it just a bit though. I'm going

499
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: to tell you now that most of your property is

500
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: relatively open. There's not a lot of great cover. There's

501
00:28:56,600 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: there's some, but most of the really good betting is

502
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 1: on your neighbors, mostly dear betting in your neighbors, and

503
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: most of your farm is a couple of fingers, And

504
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: then this meadow and the farmers crops you can't really

505
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: do anything with. So you want to try to figure

506
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: out some way to get that mature buck that's betting

507
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: on the neighbors to spend a little more daytime activity

508
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: or a little bit more of their time in the

509
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: day on your side. And that meadow maybe is the

510
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: only area you really have to work with. Let's say hypothetically, UM,

511
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 1: would you do anything different in that case? Would you

512
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: not plant that into a staging plot? Or would you

513
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: still do a plot? But would you do anything else

514
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: to make it more enticing? Would you add cover? Would

515
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: you throw a whole bunch of different things at it?

516
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: Because that's the only thing you can improve. Let's say

517
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: it's year two, maybe, so you've learned a few things.

518
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: You now know that most of the bucks are betting

519
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: on the neighbors, etcetera, etcetera. Um, can you give me

520
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: a little bit of an idea there so we got

521
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: the full happy tore metal. About the best thing we

522
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: can hope for from a cover standpoint is to get

523
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 1: some dose to bed in there. Um the buck. Mr

524
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: Big has betted on the neighbors for a reason. There.

525
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: Either he's got a he's got a great evergreen stand

526
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: down in some low land um and we're talking to

527
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: northern property. Or he man, he's got that point out

528
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: on the that ridge where you can see everything down

529
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: below him whatever for or there's an island on the

530
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: middle of their swamp. Now for whatever reason, he has

531
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: got primo betting over there. And you can't touch that,

532
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: um when you can't the idea of trying to get

533
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: him to bed over on your ground, I mean, there's

534
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: a chance you're gonna pull it off, but man, are

535
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: you ever odds are really high. You're gonna work your

536
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: tail off that off on that and you are not

537
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: going to accomplish it. There is a reason Mr Big

538
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: is betting where he is. He is Mr Big. He

539
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: can go any dang place he wants out in the

540
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: dear world, and he can do any darn thing he

541
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: wants within the dear world because he is the man. Okay, Um,

542
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: So you could rest assured there's a reason that he's

543
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: actually betting where he in the various spots he does,

544
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: and those reasons are because, for whatever, for whatever reason,

545
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: he believes that this these are the safest places I have,

546
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: whereas your doughs and fons and immature books place way

547
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 1: more comparatively, way more importance on being close to a

548
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: food source. Mr Big Scale swings hard to leave me

549
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: alone in a place I feel safe. So if I

550
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: know he and I'm sorry for going that deep in there,

551
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: but I actually think that when it comes to management,

552
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 1: I think that is one of the most critical critical

553
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: things to grasp and that you don't go ahead and

554
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: try to force your ground and your dear to your goals.

555
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: You listen to what they're telling you. Then you take

556
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: what they're telling you that works for you when you

557
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 1: try to put it on steroids. Um, so we can

558
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: get the dose to bed there, but really, how much

559
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: if we're talking time wasting, how much time is that

560
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: going to waste for Mr big just to check that

561
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: little half acre thing. He's walking by it anyway, um

562
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: most likely to get back and forth between bedding and food.

563
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: So those looking branches share are a nice thing there

564
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 1: aren't they. I mean, we've all watched bucks work, work, scrapes.

565
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: It's not like they walk up to it and within

566
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: two seconds they're on, They're they're gone. Now. They generally

567
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: waste anywhere from one to five minutes, And you know

568
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: is what would I do? I'm thinking so often as

569
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: a game of minutes. If I can get that buck,

570
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: If I can get that buck to come in one

571
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: two minutes earlier, that's often all the difference I need.

572
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: If the neighbors sitting on the other side of the fence,

573
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: if I can waste one or two minutes of that

574
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: buck's time, you know what, the odds of him catching

575
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: that hunter climbing down out of his tree stand instead

576
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: of the last five minutes of light with him up

577
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: in it are a lot bigger. They're a lot better

578
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: those going ahead and adorning that metal with licking branches.

579
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. If there's if there are bigger

580
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: time wasters for bucks than thickening up your woods and

581
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: offering a bunch of licking branches, I'm not sure what

582
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: the heck they are. Can you real quick, Sorry to interrupt,

583
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: but can you elaborate on the licking branches. So I

584
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: understand if there's a bunch of trees already overhanging and

585
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: you can just clear our space or anath them, so

586
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: it becomes a natural mox scrape. But what if we

587
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: don't have those natural trees. Would you propose you know,

588
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: pounding in a t post or a big wooden post

589
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 1: and attaching limbs or okay, tell me more about that,

590
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: but whatever and anything that works for some guys. They

591
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: swear up and down right and left about hanging hemp ropes.

592
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: You know what, that didn't work that great for me,

593
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: But if it works for you, for love of Pepperoni pizza,

594
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: keep doing it. Now, hang a bunch of me. Personally,

595
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: what I'm doing nine times out of ten is either

596
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: bending a branch down, nailan one to a tree, wiring

597
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: it to a tree, or not. I actually do not

598
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: work with these gentlemen in any way, shape or form.

599
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: But there's this product out there called scrape stick. They

600
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: went ahead and sent me a couple last year to

601
00:34:56,040 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: check out. They're just a bracket that you screw or

602
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: strapped to a tree and slap a slap a branch

603
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: in it. I've used a couple of those last year,

604
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: I've ran wires from tree to tree about big feet

605
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:17,280
Speaker 1: off the ground and hung branches from them. It doesn't

606
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: matter how you skin this cap. The big thing is

607
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:26,439
Speaker 1: get that branch right in that box, nose the other,

608
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: and I guarantee that you've got all sorts of people

609
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: out there right now, because this isn't a question I

610
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: get by far the most whenever I talk what type

611
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 1: of branch should I use? I do not care what

612
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: branch you use. It doesn't I have seen bucks literally

613
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 1: trash trash hawthorn branches and licking branches with their three

614
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:51,720
Speaker 1: inch thorns all over the darn things. When you put

615
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: that licking branch in the right spot, it almost doesn't

616
00:35:55,520 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 1: not matter what type of branch you're using. Personal me,

617
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: I tend to stick to a hardwoods just because I

618
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: don't want to replace them. Um. And the other thing

619
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: when it comes to mock scrapes is I suggest the

620
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: first year, don't even you scent scent. If you really

621
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 1: want to learn how to make mock scrapes, get out

622
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: there the first year and just play around with licking branches.

623
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: Once you get that down, Once you get that down,

624
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 1: oh man, mock scrapes are easy because of the scent.

625
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: There's nothing more than it buys me about about extra

626
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: activity at these locations. But if I start by using scent,

627
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 1: I'm going to generally get better results. And that sounds great,

628
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 1: but no, I want I want to get I want

629
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:58,760
Speaker 1: to get my results initially. One I'm saying what I'm learning.

630
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:03,240
Speaker 1: You know, when I'm first learning how to make box

631
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 1: scrapes sing, focus on the licking branch, forget everything else,

632
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 1: because once you got that down, oh jeez, now now

633
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: you can start playing with sense and that type of

634
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 1: stuff and you can put your results on steroids. But

635
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: you learn how to make those bucks dance with nothing

636
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: but a licking branch, and the rest comes super, super easy.

637
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: And what you will find is the whole key is

638
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,760
Speaker 1: to put that thing right in front of their nose

639
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 1: in an area with relatively open ground cover where dear concentrate.

640
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 1: You do that. I honestly think it's almost as simple

641
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: as a deer can't help, but it's almost like a reflex.

642
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:48,760
Speaker 1: They can't help, but work that scrape. Um, I'll probably

643
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,919
Speaker 1: go ahead and slat, so I will on a half

644
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: acre metal In that type of scenario you describe, I'm

645
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: gonna have at least a dozen, at least a dozen

646
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: prime licking brand to around that thing, because I want

647
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: this to turn into it just a scraping. Friends. Now,

648
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: I personally am gonna go ahead and slap uh making

649
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 1: them scrape dripper and either active scrape or golden scraper

650
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: hot scrape in that scrape dripper. But one of the

651
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: things you learn when you're doing this stuff is about

652
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,959
Speaker 1: half the box love tearing into the mock scrape you

653
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,439
Speaker 1: you you made, about the other half, they just get

654
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: really mad and they want to make one right next

655
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: to you. So when you're making these mock scrapes, always always,

656
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 1: always make sure that you don't make one minimum of two, okay,

657
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 1: and you're gonna see your activity go up quite a

658
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 1: bit right there. Okay. So now I've got these least

659
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: dozen mock dozen looking branches on this half acre opening,

660
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: I'll go ahead and very little water bucket give them

661
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 1: one more and to come there. Um, if it's a

662
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 1: half acre, I can't really go to nuts on trees,

663
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 1: but i'll probably i'll probably slap in, slap in, assuming

664
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,240
Speaker 1: I feel good about this being a long term lease,

665
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, if this is going to be

666
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: a lease. Then I'm not sure I'm going to have

667
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: five years from now. I'm not doing this, but if

668
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 1: I am confident it's going to be a long term

669
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: I will certainly go ahead and slap in a handful

670
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: of mass trees and that opening to go ahead and

671
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: complement the cereal rye that I'll be planting until the

672
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 1: soil is in good health. And once the soil is

673
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: in good health, I'll go ahead and just top speed

674
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: clover into there, because quite honestly, if you only have

675
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: a half acre food plot, clover is tough to beat

676
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: um for most places in this world. If he'll let

677
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: me do some stuff in the timber, without a doubt,

678
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: I will edge feather that um that food plot. And

679
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,280
Speaker 1: by edge feather I mean I will either hinge cut

680
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: a band of about five yard wide band around the

681
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: food plot on the low timber value smaller trees. UM.

682
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: There's oftentimes where you're in the mature woods zone and

683
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:26,879
Speaker 1: you don't have smaller, low timber value trees. If I can,

684
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try. If that's the case, I'm going to

685
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 1: try to convince them to let me do a little

686
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 1: bit of logging for him. Maybe sell some because one

687
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: of the biggest things I want to do is I

688
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: want to try to thicken up that woods, and I

689
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: want to thicken up around the edge of that plot

690
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,800
Speaker 1: so the deer that are walking through the woods fifty

691
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,240
Speaker 1: yards away can't see into the plot. No, there's nothing

692
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 1: of interest there. I'm just gonna keep going to the field. Um. Then,

693
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,680
Speaker 1: also you mentioned that the bucks are betting on the neighbors.

694
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: That means there joe up in the fence somewhere. I'm

695
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: gonna find out where they're jumping the fence, and I'm

696
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: gonna try to figure out if I can get to

697
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: that spot without any get to that spot, hunt it,

698
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: and get out without anything knowing I'm there. Because really,

699
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 1: if I can find that spot, but I'm really going

700
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: to be doing is hunting that at and assuming I

701
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,240
Speaker 1: can get away with it. Now, um that that it's

702
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: I can get in, I can hunt it, I can

703
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,439
Speaker 1: get out way more often than that without the deer

704
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,240
Speaker 1: knowing I'm doing it. And I'll probably set up stand

705
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: if there's one spot, almost certainly will set up stands

706
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: on both sides of that crossing. If if I can

707
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: make safe winds on both sides because really, that's where

708
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: I'm planning on killing that book. I'll set up about

709
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 1: fifty yards off that fence line, wait for him to

710
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 1: jump the fence to head on down to that stuff,

711
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: and that's where I'm gonna shoot him. It sounds like

712
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 1: a pretty good plan, because just because it sounds great,

713
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: don't I mean? I do want to pressace something. When

714
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 1: people talk like this, it always sounds great. It does.

715
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: It doesn't always work out that darn easy, though, And

716
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 1: you know that as well as I do. It seems

717
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: like too few people ever bother pointing that part out.

718
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: That's it's it's it's important point. Let's let's talk a

719
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 1: little more on the hunting side, and let's shift from

720
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 1: a situation where you've got a small lease, you've got

721
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 1: control of it to now let's say you've gotten permission

722
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 1: on a property and it is a great property. It's small,

723
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 1: but it's great. It's it's kind of like that magical

724
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: eight you describe where it's between two huge chunks of

725
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: timber um. You know from maybe you know some people

726
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: that hunt neighboring properties. You just know that the grape

727
00:42:56,719 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: vine that this is an exceptional property. Lots of really good,

728
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: big mature bucks come off of this this little area here.

729
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: But a family member owns the property. So you've got

730
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: this family member, they own the farm. They've given you permission.

731
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: But for lack of a better better term, they hunted

732
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,959
Speaker 1: like a knucklehead. They hunt, they don't think about when

733
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: they do a lot of silly things. They go in

734
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: there and push things around, and they just they do

735
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: things exact opposite of the way you would want to.

736
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: So here's the question, here's the scenario. Would you just

737
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: avoid hunting it altogether because you know that your knucklehead

738
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: cousin or uncle or whatever is going to blow it

739
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 1: up and just make it a pain in the butt.

740
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,439
Speaker 1: Or do you stay to yourself. There's so much potential here.

741
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 1: I know there's great hunting to be had. I gotta

742
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: figure out some way to change what he does. Would

743
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 1: you try to speak that, would you try to change

744
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: his ways, would you try to give him some advice

745
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: on how to do it better? Or finally, would you

746
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: just let him do his thing and you would use

747
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: his mistakes to your advantage and find a way to

748
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: use his knucklehead and moves to work in your favor.

749
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: Which of those three options would you choose? And why

750
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: m I probably go with hybrid and make an option

751
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 1: for if you don't mind. And that is um and

752
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: that is I'm gonna I'm gonna hunt. Will I talk

753
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 1: to him, of course. But at the same time, here's

754
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: something I've learned along along. I used to consult for

755
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 1: outfitters and it used to drive me absolutely nuts. How

756
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 1: so darn many of these hunters. There they are before

757
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 1: they go out in the morning, wearing their scent lock

758
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: suits in the kitchen while the guys for frying bacon

759
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: eggs and hash browns. And I used to just what

760
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: are you guys thinking, Oh, that would drive me nuts.

761
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,399
Speaker 1: You've worked so hard to try to get this set

762
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 1: up so right, and now the outfitters send him some

763
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 1: kind of absolutely reached like the kidsen out. But wait

764
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:06,280
Speaker 1: a minute, that's their hunt, not ears. And this stuff

765
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: is supposed to be fun. And if that's what's fun

766
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 1: for those guys. If if my cousin brother's uncle's sister

767
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: is really in to doing what he's doing, she's doing

768
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 1: out there and they're having a blast, you know what,

769
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: I'm sure not going to I'm sure not going to

770
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:31,760
Speaker 1: push hard if they want, if I will gladly, gladly

771
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: try to help heck, virtually any hunter in this world

772
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: all that genuinely wants. But I'm not gonna I'm not

773
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: gonna shove it down his or her throat. Okay. What

774
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: I will do, though, is I'm going to treat this

775
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: just like Jesus. I mentioned that consulted for a whole

776
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: bunch of outfitters. Now I was lucky. I consulted for

777
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:59,919
Speaker 1: the generally speaking, the really good ones. But still, we're

778
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: really every outfitter. There's exceptions, but most outfitters these days

779
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: have to follow the same script because least prices are

780
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: so high and blah blah blah blah blah, profits just

781
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: keep going down. They just slap these people in the

782
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: same stands day after day after day after day after day,

783
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: and guess what. Eventually that dough jumps the fence and

784
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: something's behind it, and that's something that's behind it is

785
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 1: pretty darn big oftentimes. Um. That's really most outfitters I

786
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: know these days. That's how they stay in business, just

787
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: simply by by putting putting in the time he hunters

788
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 1: and these stands, and eventually, if that area is good

789
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: enough that dough is going to jump that fence and

790
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: oh yeah, Mr Big he knows, he knows the side

791
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 1: of the fence ain't fun and I ain't a place

792
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: that he should be. But oh she smells weight, who

793
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: pretty not to follow her? If if if that area

794
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: is that good and I don't have a spot that

795
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,839
Speaker 1: is as good of quality of bucks for that area, Oh,

796
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: I'm hunting it. I'm gonna hunt it, and I'm gonna

797
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: put in a whole bunch of time because I don't

798
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: care how well you manage your property. I don't care

799
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 1: how poorly you manage it. If Mr Big ain't there,

800
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: you ain't shooting him. And Mr Big is in that area.

801
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: And for as much credit as we do give Mr

802
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,280
Speaker 1: Big for being smart and he's no fool generally speaking,

803
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: they can't act really stupid sometimes, And when he does,

804
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: I want to be up in that tree to meet him.

805
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 1: So are you are you gonna wait then for the rut?

806
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: Or would you would you? Would you? Would you look

807
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: at the rest of the year is kind of a

808
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 1: waste of time and just focus on the rut time period.

809
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 1: I'm going to at all times, I'm gonna listen to

810
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,919
Speaker 1: what deer telling me, and that is if I got

811
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 1: some trail cameras out there. It's a week before season,

812
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 1: and jeez, this buck I've got him. I've got a

813
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 1: buck a week before season. All over, these camera are

814
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 1: gonna be out there opening day, darn right, I am

815
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: if instead all I'm getting, I'm getting great buck pitchers, man,

816
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: all sorts of great buck pitchers, and they're all at

817
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: eleven o'clock to four o'clock in the morning, and I'm

818
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 1: probably probably gonna find someplace else to hunt until the

819
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: run oh Les, we get a cold snamp and all

820
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: of a sudden he starts cooperating. And always, always, always

821
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: try to remain rigidly flexible in everything. I go in

822
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,839
Speaker 1: with a plan for darn near everything on how I'm

823
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 1: going to attack this. But man, flexibility is my best friend.

824
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 1: When I get new data, I'm going to incorporate that

825
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: data into my equation and I'm going to see if

826
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 1: it gives me a different answer, And if he gives

827
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: me a different answer, I'm taking a different road. Makes sense, Yeah,

828
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:09,879
Speaker 1: you mentioned you mentioned a scenario that I actually wanted

829
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: to bring up next, which is getting pictures of a

830
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: mature buck leading and opening day. So let's say you've

831
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: getting pictures of a mature buck leading up to opening

832
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: day of the season. So let's say you've you're you're

833
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: getting daylight picks of the top buck you're after over

834
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: and over and over leading up to opening day, multiple picks,

835
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:39,959
Speaker 1: and during that week leading up to it, it it looks

836
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 1: really great. But when you look at the weather forecast

837
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: for the first three days of the season, it's crud like,

838
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:50,720
Speaker 1: it's hot, the wind is very subpar for the spots

839
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 1: you would want to go to try to kill him. Um.

840
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,720
Speaker 1: But at the same time, you know that everyone's starting

841
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: to hunt, right, Hunting pressure is gonna ramp up significantly.

842
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: Maybe this is a property to other people hunt too,

843
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 1: so you know that, hey, these other guys or my my,

844
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 1: my cousin might start hunting. So you know you've got

845
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: a balance, like the change in dear behavior that's going

846
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: to happen with hunting pressure versus the benefit of of

847
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 1: hunting early that first night but with poor conditions. What

848
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: would you do? Would you still hunt opening night even

849
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: with those poor conditions because he was moving daylight. He

850
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: might change that after the day or two of hunting,

851
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,280
Speaker 1: or do you wait until you've got the right conditions,

852
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: because you just you do not want to go in

853
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: there with things wrong. Well, how would you think through

854
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: that and what would you do? Okay? The first thing

855
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:43,359
Speaker 1: I would do is probably have four times as many

856
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 1: stands as anybody's thinking right now. Um, just because my

857
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 1: my philosophy on this when it comes to private grounds,

858
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,799
Speaker 1: my philosophy is I want I do not want to

859
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 1: be messing around in that timber. If I'm doing on

860
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 1: a field of edge, don't worries, but I am not

861
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: messed around in that timber for anywhere from two weeks

862
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: on through season unless I absolutely positively have to. And

863
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 1: if if it involves the tree stand, that means I

864
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: didn't do my job, either for myself or my client,

865
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: one of the two. Um, you go ahead, and no

866
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: matter how many stands, you make sure that you have

867
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 1: every decent spot, sincerely decent spot. I'm not talking about

868
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 1: it's okay, you could kill it here here, but every decent,

869
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: truly decent, a good spot on that property you should

870
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 1: have set up. And if it's if it is a

871
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,239
Speaker 1: really good spot, you should have it set up with

872
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: multiple wind directions if possible. Okay, Um, it is a

873
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 1: lot of people look at that as a pain, particularly

874
00:51:55,480 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: when honestly, um, now, well, let's stick to this myself.

875
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 1: I hunt about h I've bet of the stands that

876
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 1: I prepped each year for myself. That's it. And a

877
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:18,399
Speaker 1: lot of people look at the extra standard. Oh man,

878
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: you're working. No, no, please, please work me. I mean

879
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 1: that just means I got a bunch of good spots

880
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:29,440
Speaker 1: to set up, and the advantages, the advantages of being

881
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 1: able on November, forget about that December. All of a

882
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:41,759
Speaker 1: suddenly this buck showed up from nowhere, and now he's

883
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: going ahead and he's betting on that need just barely

884
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 1: over that neighbor's line. So I can't set up on

885
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: that fence crossing we were talking about before. Now. But

886
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: oh jeez, if I had one in this pinch down here,

887
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: that would be perfect. Well, if I don't have one

888
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: there already, that's my own ain't fold. And the reason

889
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: that I have one there is yeah, I haven't said

890
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: it one time this entire season, but you know what

891
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: if that buck does show up on the oh I

892
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 1: got to do is walk into the wood to climb

893
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:14,800
Speaker 1: up that stand, and he has no clue on there.

894
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 1: The advantages of that are huge. Me personally, I'm going

895
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 1: to go nuts ouder control and I'm going to hunt

896
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 1: that box. But that's also because I believe that I

897
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 1: can pull it off. If I didn't with an if

898
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 1: he wind, I'm not going to do it. I'll wait

899
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 1: until I get a good wind, because that if you

900
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 1: don't and I hesitate. In the last five ten years,

901
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: I hardly even talk about this anymore because I think

902
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 1: I think way too many people either dismiss it out

903
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 1: of hand or believe it but yet don't take seriously

904
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,759
Speaker 1: how much f it is to pull it off. When

905
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 1: it comes to I can defeat my toast as a

906
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:07,439
Speaker 1: smell I have up until late season, I have no

907
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: doubt whatsoever in my mind. But I'll tell you what,

908
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,760
Speaker 1: it takes a lot of work. This is not something

909
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,320
Speaker 1: you do in a half hour a week. You're spending

910
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 1: forty five minutes. I spend forty five minutes every time

911
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: before I go out prepping just to be able to

912
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 1: do that. Is there anything that you're doing that's above

913
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: beyond the normal. I am stargling with the most disgusting

914
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: tasting stuff you've ever put in your mouth. It's a

915
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 1: vanishing hunter, and you have to find it on the

916
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: internet because they don't even sell it in stores anymore. Um. Otherwise,

917
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 1: it's not really it's not really any one thing. It

918
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 1: is being unbelievably thorough and meticulous. If you're bringing it

919
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: out in the woods with you, it's got to be treated,

920
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 1: period into worry. You know. That includes the glasses that

921
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 1: are on my head as we speak now. This year

922
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 1: I finally got smart because I had to buy new

923
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:12,439
Speaker 1: glasses and actually had a weird, stupid story. My wife

924
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 1: accidentally bought me uh sunglasses online rather than regular ones.

925
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: So I'm like, you know what, I could actually use

926
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 1: a couple of extra pair ofs and of regular glasses.

927
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna so this year I actually bought a pair

928
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:29,359
Speaker 1: of glasses that I use for nothing but honey. And

929
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: I know that sounds so ridiculously overkill, but ab solutely,

930
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: everything you bring out in the woods with you, without fail,

931
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:44,760
Speaker 1: must be treated. About eight years ago, I was scared

932
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 1: getting winded and I couldn't figure out what the heck

933
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 1: was going on. I knew it was something. I went ahead.

934
00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 1: I got some moisture in my bowl case and my

935
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 1: boat case got a little funky smelling. That's all it took.

936
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 1: And I was even sprayed my bowl every time, but

937
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 1: obviously not getting every square inch of it. That's all

938
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: I talk to get winded. I went ahead and address that, said,

939
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 1: oh man, we're back in the game, and we were

940
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 1: surrounded by deer again last night without getting But you

941
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:21,399
Speaker 1: have to be unbelievably meticulous your boots, think like hack,

942
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 1: you gotta wash them out now. That grunt tube that

943
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 1: you're blowing into all season long has so darn much

944
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 1: back t your and it's not even funny those optics.

945
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 1: If you don't need to bring it in the woods

946
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 1: with you don't. If I have to go back to

947
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 1: the truck to get my gutting gloves, a knife, and

948
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 1: a toe rope, it's been a really good day. It's

949
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 1: a good point. That's a good problem. Yeah exactly. Let's

950
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 1: move forward in the month of October. One. One real

951
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: quick thing though, and that the biggest place I see

952
00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 1: people falling down of all places, is they go ahead

953
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 1: and they buy all this scent free stuff, and they

954
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,760
Speaker 1: take that shower and they dry off with that towel

955
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 1: that was treated with a fabric softener and you're wiping

956
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:14,919
Speaker 1: perfume all over your darn body. Your toilet treats need

957
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 1: to be treated every minute seriously as you're hunting stuff.

958
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 1: And then if you've got to drive to where you're going,

959
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 1: do not wear your hunting stuff in the vehicle where

960
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 1: treated cold, and just to get to where to where

961
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 1: you're going and change there all right, now, I'm done,

962
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: I hear you. I try to do all that as

963
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: best as I possibly can. And like you said, it's

964
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 1: it's a chore, it's not easy, but it's it's those

965
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:44,560
Speaker 1: little details that can make all the difference. Yeah. Sure,

966
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 1: And as I said, for for a lot of people

967
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: out there, don't do it if it's not fun. Please

968
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 1: for me personally, if I don't do this, it literally

969
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 1: drives me nuts. Every single time the word switches just

970
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 1: drives me insane. But anyway, anyway, I know that feeling

971
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 1: when that one switches and your panicking. That's no fun. Um.

972
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 1: Let's push into mid October. A lot of people, not everyone,

973
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 1: but a lot of people are quite hesitant about hunting

974
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: during mid October. There's the you know, there's all the

975
00:58:15,320 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: talk of the October lull. Some people won't hunt mornings

976
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: throughout most of October until later in the month because

977
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 1: of all these things. So I want to throw a scenario.

978
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:26,680
Speaker 1: You have to see how you would approach it in

979
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 1: that time period. It's mid October, a big cold front

980
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 1: is hitting, so you've got that blessed cold front coming in.

981
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 1: It's gonna drop down for maybe it's been very warm

982
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 1: that STIPs in the seventies, it's gonna drop down to

983
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 1: lows in the twenties and maybe even the first snow

984
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 1: of the year. I mean exceptional. You don't have much

985
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 1: time available to hunt though, because of I don't know,

986
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: You've got to work a regular day job or family

987
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 1: stuff going on. It's gonna keep you from being will

988
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 1: hunt the ideal time period. So you've got two options.

989
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 1: You can hunt the very first morning, so you have

990
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 1: to hunt in October morning, but it's the very first

991
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,919
Speaker 1: morning after that coal front hits, or you could wait

992
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 1: two days in hunting evening. Would you go right away

993
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 1: and hunt the morning, or would you avoid the mornings

994
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: and hunt later after the coal front and get that evening.

995
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 1: I cannot do both. You can't do both because I've

996
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 1: got a real life, and I can pull off one

997
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 1: kitchen pant and one additional thing. Pick pick which date

998
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 1: or which of those options you'd like to hunt, and

999
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 1: then I'd like to hear your ideal hypothetical stand you

1000
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 1: would hunt for that scenario. Yeah, I would pick the

1001
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 1: morning and that hunted doe betting area. Why because we

1002
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 1: confuse buck running behavior with the rut all the time.

1003
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 1: They are two completely different animals. I don't care about

1004
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 1: the actual breeding days. All I care about is running

1005
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: buck activity. Okay, that their testosterone levels have been I

1006
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 1: am assuming we're talking the Midwest, some place midwestern points north. Okay, Um,

1007
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 1: their testosterone level has been building now for a couple

1008
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:20,720
Speaker 1: of months. Okay, it's nowhere near peaking yet, but it's

1009
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 1: starting to get it's starting to get itchy time. Okay,

1010
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:28,640
Speaker 1: now that cold front hits that cold I mean, I'll

1011
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 1: be honest with you. You're taking a colder than if

1012
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:34,680
Speaker 1: it's seventy seventy seventy seventy for the past ten days,

1013
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 1: gimme fifty. And I'm treating at the exact fame and

1014
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 1: I'm actually more optimistic. Um, when you have a fifty

1015
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 1: degree temp drop, that can that that's intense, And when

1016
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 1: you have stuff that intense every now and then, what

1017
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 1: I think, I'm so smart, and I know it turns

1018
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 1: out to the exact opposite um, but you get in

1019
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:03,840
Speaker 1: that twenty degree drop, and that is that's something special.

1020
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:07,240
Speaker 1: I don't care if it's going from nine to seventy

1021
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:10,680
Speaker 1: or seventy to fifty or fifty to thirty. If you

1022
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 1: had four or five plus days in a row of

1023
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 1: those high tempts at boom, the bottom falls out by

1024
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:21,800
Speaker 1: ten fifty degrees, you get your tail out the woods.

1025
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 1: Because those bucks, if it's mid October, I guarantee you

1026
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 1: that they are the majority of them, are acting just

1027
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 1: like it's November five. And you think that's just simply

1028
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 1: because they've been waiting. The anticipation has been building in

1029
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 1: that that weather que gets them over the hump that

1030
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 1: they need to at least start checking them out eggs

1031
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 1: and and at the same time, there's I can all

1032
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 1: but promise you there have been a door or two

1033
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 1: bread already around there. And they're not stupid. They probably

1034
01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 1: were the ones bread that did the breeding. We try

1035
01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 1: so hard, and especially with the way or weather patterns

1036
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 1: are getting just stupidly whacked out, that is messing I'm

1037
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 1: telling you sometime we can have a long, long, long

1038
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 1: discussion that would borrow your audience to tears about about

1039
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 1: how this stuff has abbs so loutly positively messed up

1040
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 1: white tail patterns too. I mean, it's jeez. I'm watching

1041
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:28,440
Speaker 1: I'm watching not last January, but the January before. For

1042
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 1: the first time in my life, I'm watching a mature

1043
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 1: a dobe and mounted in January, and last year I'm

1044
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 1: watching on October one, I'm watching a dear a dole

1045
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 1: stand to get bread. It is so all over the

1046
01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 1: map these days, it ain't even funny. But even before now,

1047
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 1: more breeding occurs well before and well after the rout

1048
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:56,680
Speaker 1: than we give a credit for. Okay, the peak rout

1049
01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 1: and it gets tighter. The further north you get, it

1050
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 1: gets beer the further south to yet, because mother nature

1051
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 1: is Mother nature is a charge of enforcing positive and

1052
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 1: negative reinforcement, and the further north to get mother Nature

1053
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 1: gets really mean, um button uh, there are all jeez.

1054
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 1: I remember all the way back when I was in

1055
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:29,960
Speaker 1: college working with an outfitter and him showing me what

1056
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 1: was a high eight footage at the time of a

1057
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:38,600
Speaker 1: mature buck mounting a mature dough in mid September. More

1058
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:41,240
Speaker 1: breeding occurs before the rut than we can after the

1059
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 1: rugh than we give it credit for. It's just that

1060
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 1: the majority of breeding occurs during this window. So I

1061
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:50,360
Speaker 1: believe Mr Big already has had at least the smell

1062
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 1: of this stuff his testosterone in his building. He's been

1063
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 1: around the block more than once. He understands that some

1064
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 1: doos are going to come in early, most of them

1065
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 1: are going to come in on time, some of them

1066
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 1: are going to come in a little bit late. And

1067
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:08,760
Speaker 1: oh then we got the doll farms coming. None of

1068
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 1: this is new to him. Okay, So when that temp

1069
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 1: drop occurs, with all that other stuff going on, I

1070
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 1: I it seems as if, as I said, I can't

1071
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 1: talk to deer, but it sure seems as if he

1072
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 1: can't help himself. It's just too darn much. Gotta get

1073
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 1: after it, yep. But then there as soon as attempts

1074
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 1: start climbing again, Oh that's done. What about this? What

1075
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:45,960
Speaker 1: about Because what you've described is something that I think

1076
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 1: people have seen in the past, where a doe comes

1077
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 1: in early and there's this moment of chaos around that doll.

1078
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 1: But the inevitably that doe is going to you know,

1079
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 1: be out of heat, and then it's going to be

1080
01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 1: back into this waiting period for the rest of the

1081
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 1: deer to come in. So what if you see this

1082
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 1: moment of excitement in early to mid October where a

1083
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 1: dolle comes in early you can tell that doll must

1084
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 1: be hot because there's bucks chasener. It seems like all

1085
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:12,360
Speaker 1: of a sudden the rud is hit. But it's October

1086
01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 1: eight or ninth or something like that, and you know

1087
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:16,640
Speaker 1: it couldn't possibly be the peak of the rud obviously.

1088
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 1: So I would imagine in that scenario, when you see

1089
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:23,040
Speaker 1: that happening, you say, Okay, I gotta hunt right now

1090
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 1: because there's there's something special happening right now. But how

1091
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:28,440
Speaker 1: long would you imagine that lasting? Would you keep hunting

1092
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:31,280
Speaker 1: for two or three days as if it's this RUD activity,

1093
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:33,200
Speaker 1: or would you stop after the first day? Or would

1094
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:36,280
Speaker 1: you hunt for what do you what's that time frame?

1095
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 1: I give it about two days generally speaking. For for

1096
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:45,160
Speaker 1: if I'm if I'm hunting all right here, I'm hunting

1097
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:48,720
Speaker 1: some public ground and I'm watching a four and a

1098
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 1: half year old and the whole man if you're watching

1099
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 1: a four and a half year old on Wisconsin public ground,

1100
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 1: you're doing something right. I'm watching a four and a

1101
01:05:56,120 --> 01:06:00,240
Speaker 1: half year old chasing around this doll, and if that

1102
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 1: far and a half year olds chasing them around, chasing

1103
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 1: that door around, I can all but promise you there's

1104
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 1: gonna be others chasing them around too. There's gonna be

1105
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 1: that one three and a half year old in the

1106
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 1: entire county that happens to live on this ground as well,

1107
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 1: and a couple two and a half year olds and

1108
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 1: a handful of one and a half year old and

1109
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 1: it's gonna be us. It's gonna be fun to watch

1110
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:25,680
Speaker 1: because she's the only the only show in town, and

1111
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:29,040
Speaker 1: man does she smell pretty? And that odor is wafting

1112
01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 1: across that land. Um, I'm gonna hunt it probably like well,

1113
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:37,959
Speaker 1: I will go in there, back to that public ground

1114
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:39,960
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna hunt that just like it was the

1115
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:44,280
Speaker 1: rut for in that specific area as close to that

1116
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:47,280
Speaker 1: zone as I've been seeing this. If there's a betting

1117
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:49,440
Speaker 1: area right around there, you can bet I'm gonna hunt

1118
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 1: that tomorrow. O. Um, Because say, I think this is

1119
01:06:56,280 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 1: just think, but my experience has done, dude, tend to

1120
01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:04,000
Speaker 1: play this out. When that occurs, you've got about two

1121
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 1: days of excitement before things calm back down to normal again,

1122
01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:15,040
Speaker 1: just because of just because of the snowball effect that

1123
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:19,280
Speaker 1: that dough running around out they're created. Because now about that,

1124
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 1: that likely that four and a half year old bucks

1125
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 1: more often than not ended up with her. But that

1126
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 1: three and a half year old was still running around

1127
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:31,640
Speaker 1: out there. And I'm telling you what, on public ground,

1128
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 1: I will shoot that three and a half year old

1129
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:35,480
Speaker 1: every day of the week and say thank you, Can

1130
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 1: I please han noo? Yep, that's a good buck? Yep?

1131
01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:47,160
Speaker 1: What about this? What if all this you know, we're

1132
01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:50,680
Speaker 1: talking a lot about October. I gotta imagine from past

1133
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 1: conversations and things I've read, and from a lot of

1134
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 1: kind of common um a common approach to deer hunting

1135
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:03,040
Speaker 1: is be careful in October, hunt when you can hunt smart,

1136
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 1: but be careful not to mess up your spots before November,

1137
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:09,920
Speaker 1: right because that's when you're gonna get the most activity,

1138
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 1: the most opportunities, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. What if I told

1139
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:16,880
Speaker 1: you that November is off limits, you can no longer

1140
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 1: hunt in November. You can hunt October, do whatever you want,

1141
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:24,760
Speaker 1: but November it's off limits, can't do anything. How would

1142
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:26,920
Speaker 1: you hunt differently in October if that was the case,

1143
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:34,280
Speaker 1: Not that much differently, because quite frankly, um, quite frankly,

1144
01:08:34,320 --> 01:08:39,280
Speaker 1: I think that hunting the same stands. But the stands

1145
01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 1: that are hottest in November generally aren't hottest in October.

1146
01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 1: You know, that's one thing that U I'll tell you

1147
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 1: what one of the most humbling yet beneficial learning experiences

1148
01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:56,600
Speaker 1: of my entire life was those years consulting for outfitters.

1149
01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:00,760
Speaker 1: You want to put your learning through a long steroids have. Oh,

1150
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:04,599
Speaker 1: depending on how many outfitters I was working with per year,

1151
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 1: anywhere from seventy five to two and fifty people telling

1152
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:14,040
Speaker 1: you what you did wrong. I'll I mean, you better

1153
01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:18,840
Speaker 1: have thick skin. But at the same time, you know, yeah,

1154
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:21,040
Speaker 1: some of them didn't have a clue what they were

1155
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:25,080
Speaker 1: talking about, but a lot of them did. And what

1156
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:27,840
Speaker 1: that actually taught me is that guy who comes or

1157
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:31,200
Speaker 1: a girl who goes ahead and works a real job

1158
01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:35,360
Speaker 1: and scrimps and saves all day, year or multiple years

1159
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:38,040
Speaker 1: in many cases, to go on this hunt of a lifetime.

1160
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:41,600
Speaker 1: He doesn't give a darn about it's October fourteenth and

1161
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 1: that it's eighty degrees and that the deer aren't moving. Now,

1162
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 1: all he cares about is this is my dream hunt.

1163
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 1: So you got to figure out a way to put

1164
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:56,320
Speaker 1: that guy on a deer or you're not doing your job. Um.

1165
01:09:56,400 --> 01:10:00,800
Speaker 1: What that really ultimately taught me is, honestly, generally there

1166
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:04,120
Speaker 1: are a few rare exceptions, but generally speaking, the stands

1167
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 1: I want to hunt in November and not the stands

1168
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:09,639
Speaker 1: I want to hunt even on a Halloween. Um. So

1169
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:12,760
Speaker 1: generally speaking, no, I'm not going to go ahead and

1170
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:18,360
Speaker 1: alter alter my general style. About the only thing I

1171
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:24,360
Speaker 1: would alter, though, is that that um scrape that's on

1172
01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:28,559
Speaker 1: the down one side of that dough betting area. I'm

1173
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 1: gonna hunt it a little bit more aggressively. I mean,

1174
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hunt it anyway either way, but I'm going

1175
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:37,800
Speaker 1: to hunt it probably a little bit more aggressively than

1176
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:41,760
Speaker 1: I would otherwise, because otherwise I'm going in there thinking, yep,

1177
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:44,200
Speaker 1: I want every time I'm go into a stand, I'm

1178
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:46,920
Speaker 1: for hunting a buck. There's all sorts of stands I

1179
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:49,599
Speaker 1: crawl up into just for fun. But when I'm going

1180
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:52,800
Speaker 1: into what I consider a buck stand. I'm not going

1181
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:55,479
Speaker 1: into it unless I believe that I have a legitimate

1182
01:10:55,560 --> 01:11:00,840
Speaker 1: chance of filling my tag at this spot today. Okay, um,

1183
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:02,720
Speaker 1: but I am going to be a little bit more

1184
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:07,120
Speaker 1: aggressive if I don't get to hunt October. I'm sorry November,

1185
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:14,160
Speaker 1: just because what I do view it as is okay things,

1186
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 1: my gents. I'm sure this is why you asked me,

1187
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:20,880
Speaker 1: you know, is what was I doing. My general approach

1188
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:25,360
Speaker 1: the season is to start very low impact and slowly

1189
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 1: ramp my impact levels up because Mr Bag will tolerate

1190
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:32,519
Speaker 1: a heck of a lot more guff for me on

1191
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:36,280
Speaker 1: November ten than he ever would on October one or

1192
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:40,880
Speaker 1: December one. Okay, um. That is the one part that

1193
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 1: I would alter, is I probably would, I know probably

1194
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:48,120
Speaker 1: about it. I would be a little bit more aggressive

1195
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:52,479
Speaker 1: and how often I'm hunting some of these higher impact stands,

1196
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:57,400
Speaker 1: But otherwise my approach really wouldn't change. Let's look at

1197
01:11:57,439 --> 01:12:03,360
Speaker 1: another a pivot off of that a little bit. Let's

1198
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:05,639
Speaker 1: say you can still hunt November now you're not October.

1199
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:09,679
Speaker 1: You hunt November, but you've got a world class buck

1200
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:12,800
Speaker 1: that you're hunting, world class like the biggest buck you've

1201
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:15,080
Speaker 1: ever had a chance at. It's you know, two some

1202
01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:19,599
Speaker 1: inch seven year old buck. You've been watching him for years. Um,

1203
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:24,840
Speaker 1: he's he's become this object of obsession. But you have

1204
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:27,679
Speaker 1: a bunch of neighbors now that know about him too.

1205
01:12:28,040 --> 01:12:30,280
Speaker 1: And you're in a small private let's say eighty acres,

1206
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:33,040
Speaker 1: and your neighbors all know about this, dear, and they

1207
01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 1: are very good hunters now too. They've got it. They're

1208
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 1: they're pretty dialed in. Um, and let me let me

1209
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:42,519
Speaker 1: adjust a little bit. In past years, there hadn't been

1210
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:45,240
Speaker 1: these great hunters. Now you've got all of a sudden,

1211
01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:48,120
Speaker 1: for whatever freak scenario, all these really good hunters are

1212
01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:50,960
Speaker 1: now surrounding you. So you have a lot of high

1213
01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:55,559
Speaker 1: quality competition for this world class dear. Would that change

1214
01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:59,679
Speaker 1: your typical your typical ramp up you would start carefully,

1215
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:02,920
Speaker 1: you would ramp up towards November? Or would you say

1216
01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:05,679
Speaker 1: there's always really good hunters. If I don't kill him early,

1217
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:09,000
Speaker 1: inevitably one of them will. So I'm gonna take aggressive

1218
01:13:09,080 --> 01:13:12,200
Speaker 1: stabs earlier in October, because if I don't get it now,

1219
01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:14,040
Speaker 1: it's not gonna happen at all. What would your thought

1220
01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:18,640
Speaker 1: process be with that kind of scenario, Well, shave fifteen

1221
01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:23,120
Speaker 1: inches off the rack, a year off of his age,

1222
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:26,479
Speaker 1: and go ahead and make the property considerably bigger. And

1223
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:34,680
Speaker 1: I wasn't that exact scenario back. Um. I I approached

1224
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:37,800
Speaker 1: it as I hunted him like I was the only

1225
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:41,160
Speaker 1: person in this world hunting him because I can control

1226
01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:43,719
Speaker 1: what I can control, but I can't control what they do.

1227
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:46,639
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that this is right, wrong, or indifferent.

1228
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:49,479
Speaker 1: I'm just saying this is how I thought it through. Um.

1229
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:52,360
Speaker 1: I went ahead and I started hunting him on the

1230
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:56,200
Speaker 1: very Now I was lucky in that, and this is

1231
01:13:56,200 --> 01:13:59,160
Speaker 1: going to play a role in this, Okay. In this case,

1232
01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 1: his core, ay was smack dabb One of his primary

1233
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:06,640
Speaker 1: core areas was smack dabbing in the center of the

1234
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:11,599
Speaker 1: property that I'm managing. Okay, I know that's his home base.

1235
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:15,640
Speaker 1: The last thing in the world in that situation I'm

1236
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 1: going to do is boot his butt out of his

1237
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:21,559
Speaker 1: own home base onto the neighbors. Okay. So I started

1238
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:27,360
Speaker 1: a very very very low impact nibbling away at him,

1239
01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:31,120
Speaker 1: and it wasn't until jeez, it wasn't until I got

1240
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:36,760
Speaker 1: real aggressive on I think It was November three or four,

1241
01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:42,000
Speaker 1: maybe the fifth where I actually I actually went. I

1242
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:45,519
Speaker 1: this one. I knew, I believed, I knew where he

1243
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:51,519
Speaker 1: was betting, okay, And there happens to be a bunch

1244
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:55,160
Speaker 1: of dough betting just on just to the south of

1245
01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:58,280
Speaker 1: where he's betting. You've been out on these points, then

1246
01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:03,439
Speaker 1: there's this flat that's just prime dough betting. Okay. I

1247
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:06,840
Speaker 1: went on November three or four five, right around there,

1248
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:13,360
Speaker 1: on a very windy, wet day. I went in and

1249
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:18,400
Speaker 1: hold an all day for him in there, and actually

1250
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:23,599
Speaker 1: he busted me cold. Yeah. I was looking one way

1251
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:27,240
Speaker 1: with the by knocks, watching a watching a young buck

1252
01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:30,759
Speaker 1: chasing the door around, and I hear a twig snap

1253
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:36,400
Speaker 1: and I slowly turned. I mean, but it didn't matter.

1254
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:38,400
Speaker 1: He was sitting there at six yards stare in a

1255
01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:41,120
Speaker 1: hole in me. He was watching me, watching the dough chase,

1256
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:43,880
Speaker 1: watching the young buck chase around the door. Talk about

1257
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:48,800
Speaker 1: keeping your eye on the prize, um, Yeah, And then

1258
01:15:49,439 --> 01:15:52,479
Speaker 1: then it's like, okay, now what do I do. I mean,

1259
01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:57,120
Speaker 1: there's he's out of here, guaranteed, no, But do I

1260
01:15:57,240 --> 01:16:01,320
Speaker 1: stay I ain't. There's a chance he could get on

1261
01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:04,000
Speaker 1: something hot and if he gets on something hot, she

1262
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:07,519
Speaker 1: wants to be here. But yeah, the rest of the

1263
01:16:07,560 --> 01:16:11,640
Speaker 1: cit was really fun. Um, but I that was my

1264
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:15,439
Speaker 1: one crack. It's like, I'm gonna wait till November to

1265
01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:19,360
Speaker 1: get aggressive on him, and I went right in there

1266
01:16:19,479 --> 01:16:22,320
Speaker 1: after him. And then what I do is I ended

1267
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:25,640
Speaker 1: up sitting the whole day, never saw him again, um,

1268
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:30,080
Speaker 1: and got the heck out and all right, I'm I'm

1269
01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:35,519
Speaker 1: done going aggressive now until we get much later, because

1270
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:38,680
Speaker 1: I feel that I play all these games in my head.

1271
01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:41,519
Speaker 1: I think that I've got one mulligan on a buck

1272
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:44,719
Speaker 1: like that that I can probably get away with something

1273
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:47,720
Speaker 1: like that happening once. Now. I'm not saying I'm gonna

1274
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:49,320
Speaker 1: be able to kill him out of that tree stand

1275
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:51,920
Speaker 1: now after that, but I'm saying that I don't believe

1276
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:55,840
Speaker 1: that one encounter was enough to totally blow him out

1277
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:58,800
Speaker 1: of that area. He has lived here for seven and

1278
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:02,639
Speaker 1: a well actually he's a seven and a half euro buck,

1279
01:17:02,680 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 1: but he's actually lived in this area from the time

1280
01:17:07,439 --> 01:17:10,360
Speaker 1: he was one and a half on and for the

1281
01:17:10,439 --> 01:17:13,200
Speaker 1: last two years he's been the man. He's had the choice,

1282
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:16,120
Speaker 1: and there's a reason he's choosing this is because that

1283
01:17:16,240 --> 01:17:19,920
Speaker 1: betting area is primal, so I don't think that one

1284
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:22,040
Speaker 1: encounter is gonna be enough to blow him out of there.

1285
01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:24,880
Speaker 1: But I ain't gonna risk number two. So I went

1286
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:29,400
Speaker 1: back to nipping more at the edges of what I

1287
01:17:29,439 --> 01:17:38,040
Speaker 1: considered his core area and ended up ended up thankfully,

1288
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:41,040
Speaker 1: trying to shoot him without taking off the safety on

1289
01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:45,960
Speaker 1: my gun, um during our firearms season. And I say

1290
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:50,160
Speaker 1: thankfully because I jerked on that trigger so darn hard

1291
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:52,320
Speaker 1: that I couldn't have even hit the sky if the

1292
01:17:52,360 --> 01:17:56,280
Speaker 1: safety had been off. But it was enough for me. Okay,

1293
01:17:56,439 --> 01:18:00,000
Speaker 1: Because I don't do this type of stuff. I hunt

1294
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:05,719
Speaker 1: mature books. I rarely said this is the only book

1295
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:07,840
Speaker 1: I've ever this is the one I'm killing her. I'm

1296
01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:11,680
Speaker 1: not killing nothing period in the story. Um, And I

1297
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:16,479
Speaker 1: just actually seen him once all season long. And now

1298
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:19,479
Speaker 1: it's the end of November and there I'm sitting there

1299
01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:21,680
Speaker 1: with a shotgun in my hand, and you're sitting at

1300
01:18:22,160 --> 01:18:26,200
Speaker 1: sitting at a hundred and twenty yards. And as I said, honestly,

1301
01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:29,439
Speaker 1: if I had not forgot to turn off the safety,

1302
01:18:29,479 --> 01:18:32,240
Speaker 1: I guarantee I would have missed him, because I was

1303
01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:35,639
Speaker 1: I was a ball of nerves. But then it's like, okay,

1304
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:40,439
Speaker 1: just chill your butt the heck out. He has no clue.

1305
01:18:41,720 --> 01:18:44,200
Speaker 1: You just need to get your stuff together in this

1306
01:18:44,240 --> 01:18:49,400
Speaker 1: book is yours. So thankfully he was quartered towards me

1307
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:51,479
Speaker 1: by that point, so I had to sit there for

1308
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:53,880
Speaker 1: about two minutes, and it wasn't enough to get my

1309
01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:58,200
Speaker 1: act together and actually make the shot. So what did

1310
01:18:58,240 --> 01:19:02,120
Speaker 1: you you know, going from usually hunting mature bucks to

1311
01:19:02,200 --> 01:19:06,400
Speaker 1: now that year being after the buck? Did you learn

1312
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:11,040
Speaker 1: anything unique that season from that buck about either you

1313
01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:15,559
Speaker 1: or about what big old special bucks like that do,

1314
01:19:16,479 --> 01:19:18,880
Speaker 1: or how to kill a single deer like that? Was

1315
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:23,160
Speaker 1: there any big takeaway from that season? The big takeaway

1316
01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:25,439
Speaker 1: is I enjoy hunting bucks a lot more than I

1317
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:29,479
Speaker 1: enjoy hunting a single box. Well, that is stressful, that

1318
01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:36,800
Speaker 1: is I mean, it was incredibly rewarding. Okay, and there

1319
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:39,120
Speaker 1: have been there, don't get me wrong. There have been

1320
01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:41,960
Speaker 1: other bucks over the course of the years that's set

1321
01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:45,559
Speaker 1: out to kill, but it hasn't been I am not

1322
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:49,599
Speaker 1: shooting anything. It's kind of cool as we're talking, I'm

1323
01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:54,639
Speaker 1: sitting there looking at his pedestal out but there's never

1324
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:58,280
Speaker 1: been another buck in this world. But I said, no,

1325
01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:02,000
Speaker 1: it's it's himmer nothing read end the story. And I

1326
01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:04,840
Speaker 1: figured it would be a one time thing at the time,

1327
01:20:05,240 --> 01:20:09,200
Speaker 1: and yeah, I'm glad I did it. It was. It

1328
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:17,080
Speaker 1: was a thrillingly frustrating, stressful experience. But no, I have

1329
01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:19,040
Speaker 1: a lot more fun just going out there and hunting

1330
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 1: the mature bucks period, to be really honest with you,

1331
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:25,479
Speaker 1: a lot more fun. Yeah, I certainly can relate to

1332
01:20:25,479 --> 01:20:28,240
Speaker 1: the stress part. I end up hunting one single mature

1333
01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:30,559
Speaker 1: buck by default a lot of years because the only one,

1334
01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:34,960
Speaker 1: and that ends up being I don't know, it's prematurely

1335
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:37,000
Speaker 1: graying my hair. I think. I think I'll say that

1336
01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:41,479
Speaker 1: exact same thing here. What I should say is what

1337
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:44,760
Speaker 1: I did is I had it in my mind that

1338
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:48,559
Speaker 1: it didn't matter what the heck else stopped stepped out.

1339
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:55,559
Speaker 1: That this I mean, And I'm I'll be brutally honest

1340
01:20:55,600 --> 01:21:02,000
Speaker 1: with you, if a step to heck, if or stepped out,

1341
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:05,840
Speaker 1: you know, fifteen inches smaller than this one. I'm not

1342
01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:08,000
Speaker 1: promising I would have stuck to my guns because of

1343
01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:13,680
Speaker 1: being originally flexible has its benefits, okay, But in my

1344
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:17,120
Speaker 1: mind it was this ear bust period and the story,

1345
01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:19,679
Speaker 1: you know, and I've been in the situations you're talking

1346
01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:22,160
Speaker 1: about a whole bunch where yeah, you only have one

1347
01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:24,400
Speaker 1: mature bucket the eerie. But I'm telling you, if something

1348
01:21:24,439 --> 01:21:26,920
Speaker 1: even marginally close to it shows up, I'm shooting it

1349
01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:32,240
Speaker 1: and I'm saying thank you. Whereas in this one, I

1350
01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:36,200
Speaker 1: passed up some ridiculous stuff or bucks that there's no

1351
01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:41,439
Speaker 1: way I'm passing up under normal just and I'm glad

1352
01:21:41,479 --> 01:21:43,280
Speaker 1: I did it. But it's it was a one time

1353
01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:47,280
Speaker 1: thing for this guy, because everybody has their own different

1354
01:21:47,280 --> 01:21:51,360
Speaker 1: special things that float there about, and that was well here,

1355
01:21:52,560 --> 01:22:00,559
Speaker 1: I've actually horrific experience when um blue tongue came through

1356
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:03,040
Speaker 1: one of the properties I was managing back in two

1357
01:22:03,080 --> 01:22:05,240
Speaker 1: thousand third. I mean, I've had blue tongue come through

1358
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:07,519
Speaker 1: so many I really honestly think on most of the

1359
01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:11,479
Speaker 1: properties I managed not think. I know that we lose

1360
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:13,599
Speaker 1: five to ten percent of the deer there each year

1361
01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:18,760
Speaker 1: to blue tongue UM, but this was a particularly horrific

1362
01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:23,519
Speaker 1: year and we lost sevent of all the deer on

1363
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:28,320
Speaker 1: in this area. I'll tell you a lot. You go

1364
01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:32,519
Speaker 1: through a junk like that once and you either go

1365
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:35,840
Speaker 1: nuts or you learn how to look at things differently.

1366
01:22:36,200 --> 01:22:39,759
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what that it was a painful lesson,

1367
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:41,880
Speaker 1: but I learned to create then that you know, this

1368
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:45,280
Speaker 1: stuff is supposed to be fun. If it's it's up

1369
01:22:45,320 --> 01:22:47,639
Speaker 1: to you to make it fun. So don't do things

1370
01:22:47,680 --> 01:22:52,040
Speaker 1: that stress you out. That's it's hard to argue with

1371
01:22:52,160 --> 01:22:57,280
Speaker 1: right there. Well, and everybody does. I mean, jeez, I

1372
01:22:57,400 --> 01:23:01,559
Speaker 1: know this, I mean I could. I hate to say this,

1373
01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:05,280
Speaker 1: but I almost beat up in a seventy some year

1374
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:09,479
Speaker 1: old marshmallow that ended up shooting one of the when

1375
01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:13,280
Speaker 1: the last good bucks we had remaining, and it was

1376
01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:15,760
Speaker 1: all because and it had nothing to do with him.

1377
01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:20,600
Speaker 1: It had to do with going from fifteen mature bucks

1378
01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:22,720
Speaker 1: that I mean, I was at gold, this was going

1379
01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:25,439
Speaker 1: to be awesome, to blue tongue in e h D

1380
01:23:25,640 --> 01:23:30,639
Speaker 1: bringing him down to four. And then neighbors. I'm sitting

1381
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:33,479
Speaker 1: there trying to trying to limp all four of them

1382
01:23:33,560 --> 01:23:36,360
Speaker 1: until next year now because we've just been decimated and

1383
01:23:36,400 --> 01:23:39,840
Speaker 1: the neighbors ended up shooting them all. And no fault

1384
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:44,759
Speaker 1: for the neighbors from trying out loud. That's one hundred percent.

1385
01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:46,760
Speaker 1: They're right. As a matter of fact, when I went

1386
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:49,560
Speaker 1: over when they shot the last one I've grabbed a

1387
01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:52,479
Speaker 1: set of Chaz from the buck from the year before,

1388
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:56,480
Speaker 1: stopped off at the house and went ahead and copied

1389
01:23:56,640 --> 01:23:59,920
Speaker 1: I don't know thirty or forty different trail camera pay

1390
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:02,400
Speaker 1: cheers of the thing. Over the years, I had hundreds

1391
01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:04,720
Speaker 1: of him. I was planning on given the guy him

1392
01:24:05,320 --> 01:24:07,479
Speaker 1: until he made the mistake of going to one of

1393
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:12,720
Speaker 1: his buddies saying I shot an absolute runt management four

1394
01:24:12,760 --> 01:24:16,439
Speaker 1: and a half year old that day. Um, and he

1395
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:19,960
Speaker 1: before I got to congratulate him, I heard him mentioned

1396
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:22,400
Speaker 1: to one of the Yeah, that one over there would

1397
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:24,240
Speaker 1: have been a good one if you've given it a

1398
01:24:24,280 --> 01:24:28,040
Speaker 1: few more years. And I lost my I lost my stock.

1399
01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:32,080
Speaker 1: I mean I I was face to face with the

1400
01:24:32,280 --> 01:24:36,160
Speaker 1: seventy some year old guy who went maybe three hundred

1401
01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:38,640
Speaker 1: pounds and didn't look like he'd done a day of

1402
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:42,000
Speaker 1: worth of physical work his entire life. I got my

1403
01:24:42,120 --> 01:24:45,040
Speaker 1: nose almost touching him, and I'm spitting all over him

1404
01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:49,640
Speaker 1: as him as I am just chewing his butt, secretly

1405
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:53,840
Speaker 1: praying that he is silly enough to say anything, because

1406
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:56,519
Speaker 1: if he does, I'm gonna I'm gonna go nuts on

1407
01:24:56,600 --> 01:25:00,360
Speaker 1: him right here in the meat house. I just can't vision,

1408
01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:02,880
Speaker 1: this version of Steve Bartilla. This is new to me.

1409
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:12,240
Speaker 1: I stress is and am incredibly powerful thing. And thank god,

1410
01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:16,920
Speaker 1: thank god he didn't because it was. It took me

1411
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:21,200
Speaker 1: about ten seconds after spitting on him to be utterly

1412
01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:25,000
Speaker 1: embarrassed with myself and it's like, my god, you almost

1413
01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:29,519
Speaker 1: beat up this old man for for nothing, and it hadn't.

1414
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:31,679
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, he was a jerk for what he said.

1415
01:25:32,160 --> 01:25:35,719
Speaker 1: It was more ignorant than anything, but it had nothing

1416
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:39,400
Speaker 1: to do with that. It had. This stuff can drive

1417
01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:42,519
Speaker 1: you're nuts if you'll let it. They are not our dear.

1418
01:25:43,479 --> 01:25:46,400
Speaker 1: They are free range dear that can go any darn

1419
01:25:46,479 --> 01:25:49,600
Speaker 1: way they any darn place they want. And you know what,

1420
01:25:49,720 --> 01:25:52,679
Speaker 1: if your neighbors don't have the right to tell you

1421
01:25:52,760 --> 01:25:54,880
Speaker 1: what you can do on your side defense, you don't

1422
01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:59,920
Speaker 1: have the right to tell them. And that guy deserved nothing,

1423
01:25:59,240 --> 01:26:05,200
Speaker 1: no minus to comment. He deserved nothing. But hey, congratulations,

1424
01:26:05,240 --> 01:26:07,720
Speaker 1: here's a chettish, here's a set of sheds from him

1425
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:10,040
Speaker 1: last year, and here's a whole bunch of photos. Man,

1426
01:26:10,160 --> 01:26:18,280
Speaker 1: that is a great beer. Congratulations. Pressure pressures. Pressure has

1427
01:26:18,320 --> 01:26:20,519
Speaker 1: a way of sucking the fun out of this stuff.

1428
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:24,760
Speaker 1: Ye know what, That's why we do it because this

1429
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:27,519
Speaker 1: stuff is I mean, there's more reasons to it than that,

1430
01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:30,040
Speaker 1: but really a big part of us is stuff is

1431
01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:33,960
Speaker 1: supposed to be fun. So don't do stuff that's not fun.

1432
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:38,479
Speaker 1: That's simple. This is my annual pep talk I have

1433
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:41,880
Speaker 1: to give myself because I inhevitably get stressed out over

1434
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:44,240
Speaker 1: the same things, because I get so into it and

1435
01:26:44,360 --> 01:26:47,719
Speaker 1: so focused on my goal that at some point November

1436
01:26:47,800 --> 01:26:56,200
Speaker 1: I have to have this tree stande intervention with myself

1437
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:59,679
Speaker 1: that I have a come to Jesus meeting with yourself. Yeah,

1438
01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:03,320
Speaker 1: I've I've had. That's exactly what I had. After that,

1439
01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:06,320
Speaker 1: it's like, look, you need to you need to stop

1440
01:27:06,479 --> 01:27:11,040
Speaker 1: stressing out over what you can't control. You cannot control disease,

1441
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:14,000
Speaker 1: you can't control whether or not the neighbors shoot a

1442
01:27:14,040 --> 01:27:17,719
Speaker 1: deer that you'd rather they didn't. That is one legal

1443
01:27:18,439 --> 01:27:22,519
Speaker 1: You focus on what you can control, because every bit

1444
01:27:23,439 --> 01:27:27,080
Speaker 1: of this stuff that's getting on your nerves is sucking

1445
01:27:27,320 --> 01:27:31,519
Speaker 1: energy and pleasure from this experience, and that energy could

1446
01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:34,040
Speaker 1: actually be used on things that can make a difference.

1447
01:27:34,479 --> 01:27:37,920
Speaker 1: Because sitting here being all upset and worked up about

1448
01:27:37,960 --> 01:27:42,639
Speaker 1: how all these great deer are dying. Yeah, you can

1449
01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:44,960
Speaker 1: do that all day long, and if I give you

1450
01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:46,840
Speaker 1: a quarter, it's still not enough to even get a

1451
01:27:46,840 --> 01:27:53,840
Speaker 1: cup of coffee. It accomplishes nothing. I have to I

1452
01:27:53,880 --> 01:27:56,200
Speaker 1: know it's easier to say than do I. I've been

1453
01:27:56,280 --> 01:27:58,479
Speaker 1: working on this for ten years now and I still

1454
01:27:58,560 --> 01:28:03,040
Speaker 1: don't have it completely down, but I am closer and

1455
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:07,599
Speaker 1: and generally speaking, Louis men who go three hundred pounds

1456
01:28:07,600 --> 01:28:11,600
Speaker 1: are safe once again in this world. I'm glad to

1457
01:28:11,640 --> 01:28:15,880
Speaker 1: hear that now. I hate to keep harping on the

1458
01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:19,519
Speaker 1: topic of stress, um, but I'm gonna throw a question

1459
01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:22,120
Speaker 1: out that's kind of related to this, with dealing with

1460
01:28:22,160 --> 01:28:25,880
Speaker 1: a stressful situation during the hunting season, which is a miss.

1461
01:28:26,640 --> 01:28:29,280
Speaker 1: Let's say you miss a great big buck you've been

1462
01:28:29,360 --> 01:28:33,519
Speaker 1: chasing all season with let's stay with your bow, um,

1463
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:37,960
Speaker 1: how do you handle that scenario? Do you do? You

1464
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:40,559
Speaker 1: take a couple of days off? Do you go fick you?

1465
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:44,000
Speaker 1: I guess I'll just let you walk me through if

1466
01:28:44,000 --> 01:28:46,519
Speaker 1: it is a straight miss. I didn't want to use

1467
01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:49,200
Speaker 1: that running around the woods, and I'm not worried about

1468
01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:51,200
Speaker 1: whether and I mean I just messed up. I hit

1469
01:28:51,240 --> 01:28:53,360
Speaker 1: a branch in that are, or I rushed the shot,

1470
01:28:53,400 --> 01:28:56,479
Speaker 1: and I'm glad I don't missed him. I go ahead.

1471
01:28:56,960 --> 01:29:03,600
Speaker 1: I tried to replay the scenario as impassionately dispassionately is

1472
01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:07,320
Speaker 1: I possibly can? How did I mess up? What can

1473
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:13,240
Speaker 1: I learn from this? Learn from it? Literally, fear that

1474
01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:15,519
Speaker 1: less than your brain, and get the heck over it,

1475
01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:23,240
Speaker 1: because obsessing over a misshot isn't doing you any good. Now,

1476
01:29:23,880 --> 01:29:28,920
Speaker 1: if I wounded dear, it's gonna it's not. I'm not

1477
01:29:28,920 --> 01:29:31,920
Speaker 1: going to get over it quite as fast, which quite honestly,

1478
01:29:31,960 --> 01:29:35,479
Speaker 1: I don't think we should, because hey, it's our actions

1479
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:38,280
Speaker 1: that went aheadn't did that. But what I'm gonna do

1480
01:29:38,320 --> 01:29:43,919
Speaker 1: is I'm going to exhaust every possibility of actually at

1481
01:29:43,960 --> 01:29:48,360
Speaker 1: every legitimate, reasonable possibility of retrieving that deer that I can.

1482
01:29:48,720 --> 01:29:51,120
Speaker 1: And one thing I would say is I do think

1483
01:29:51,120 --> 01:29:53,000
Speaker 1: and I don't think it's out of laziness. I think

1484
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:56,280
Speaker 1: it's honestly out of ignorance and ignorance for some reason

1485
01:29:56,400 --> 01:29:59,720
Speaker 1: to become a bad word in our in our society

1486
01:29:59,800 --> 01:30:02,920
Speaker 1: to but guess what, every single one of us are ignorant.

1487
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:06,760
Speaker 1: Ignorance just means we don't know something as much as

1488
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:10,640
Speaker 1: we should about something. And that's there's no shame in

1489
01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:15,760
Speaker 1: admitting that. Um, but I do think it's more ignorance

1490
01:30:15,880 --> 01:30:19,080
Speaker 1: than anything else. But a lot of people are way

1491
01:30:19,120 --> 01:30:22,160
Speaker 1: too fast to give up on trying to find that

1492
01:30:22,240 --> 01:30:25,880
Speaker 1: deer that they wounded. UM, mainly, as I said, just

1493
01:30:26,200 --> 01:30:28,160
Speaker 1: because I don't think they know what to do. But

1494
01:30:28,640 --> 01:30:33,799
Speaker 1: the systematic grid searches checking every single ditch, check every

1495
01:30:33,840 --> 01:30:37,160
Speaker 1: fence crossing, or every log that they would jump for

1496
01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:40,479
Speaker 1: blood spatter on the other side. And I'll tell you what,

1497
01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:44,439
Speaker 1: when it comes to finding wounded deer, if you've got

1498
01:30:44,439 --> 01:30:48,320
Speaker 1: a do not quit no matter what attitude, you're going

1499
01:30:48,360 --> 01:30:51,040
Speaker 1: to find a heck of a lot more than than

1500
01:30:51,280 --> 01:30:57,280
Speaker 1: most people are. Yeah, that's a tough, tough scenario being

1501
01:30:57,400 --> 01:31:00,200
Speaker 1: but you're right. The best thing to do is is

1502
01:31:00,240 --> 01:31:02,960
Speaker 1: to try a little harder. Every time you start feeling down,

1503
01:31:03,040 --> 01:31:07,719
Speaker 1: just keep on keeping on and be as thorough as

1504
01:31:07,800 --> 01:31:12,639
Speaker 1: you humanly possibly can. I would hate to guess how

1505
01:31:12,640 --> 01:31:16,040
Speaker 1: many trees people have walked by that are trying to

1506
01:31:16,040 --> 01:31:18,479
Speaker 1: find their dear and their dear lane right and has

1507
01:31:18,600 --> 01:31:23,960
Speaker 1: literally crawled into that tree top and died or down

1508
01:31:23,960 --> 01:31:27,479
Speaker 1: in the check every one of those ditches. That's so

1509
01:31:27,640 --> 01:31:30,439
Speaker 1: often it's pressed up against the bank to the point

1510
01:31:30,439 --> 01:31:32,479
Speaker 1: where you can barely even see it when you're looking.

1511
01:31:34,320 --> 01:31:39,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, thorough and don't quite has a lot to

1512
01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:43,800
Speaker 1: do with success. So so we'll move on from the

1513
01:31:43,880 --> 01:31:46,280
Speaker 1: down earth side of hunting, um, the part that we

1514
01:31:46,280 --> 01:31:47,880
Speaker 1: don't like to have to spend too much time thinking

1515
01:31:47,880 --> 01:31:52,360
Speaker 1: about and hopefully never have to, although inevitably those those

1516
01:31:52,400 --> 01:31:54,960
Speaker 1: things do happen. But let's let's move to the best

1517
01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:56,639
Speaker 1: part of the hunting season for a lot of people,

1518
01:31:56,680 --> 01:31:59,000
Speaker 1: which is the Rut. We like to think of it

1519
01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:00,599
Speaker 1: as the super Bowl. It's that they we've looked forward

1520
01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:04,000
Speaker 1: to all year. It's it's Christmas in November. Um, A

1521
01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:07,120
Speaker 1: couple of scenarios to throw at you in November. One

1522
01:32:07,160 --> 01:32:09,080
Speaker 1: of them is is something that I asked a lot

1523
01:32:09,080 --> 01:32:11,680
Speaker 1: of folks about, and it's something that I'm always constantly,

1524
01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:16,040
Speaker 1: um finding myself wondering about. Is is when to make

1525
01:32:16,080 --> 01:32:19,400
Speaker 1: adjustments during the run. So let's say you are hunting

1526
01:32:20,040 --> 01:32:23,080
Speaker 1: in a primo location it's I don't know, November three,

1527
01:32:23,160 --> 01:32:26,639
Speaker 1: four or five, six, somewhere in that ballpark and you

1528
01:32:26,680 --> 01:32:30,479
Speaker 1: see the mature buck. Let's say we we don't have

1529
01:32:30,520 --> 01:32:32,000
Speaker 1: a bunch of these things running around we don't have

1530
01:32:32,120 --> 01:32:34,400
Speaker 1: seven or eight or nine mature bucks. We've got one

1531
01:32:34,600 --> 01:32:39,439
Speaker 1: maybe two. And the buck er after I should clarify

1532
01:32:39,720 --> 01:32:42,759
Speaker 1: that property when I was talking about was stupid big.

1533
01:32:45,479 --> 01:32:48,920
Speaker 1: But anyway, yes, so this is a smaller property. We've

1534
01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:51,320
Speaker 1: got one maybe two, and we see one of these

1535
01:32:51,320 --> 01:32:55,360
Speaker 1: big mature bucks step out out of range I don't know,

1536
01:32:55,560 --> 01:32:58,000
Speaker 1: seventy yards or something like that, and he's he's kind

1537
01:32:58,040 --> 01:33:02,479
Speaker 1: of cruising. He cruises by and just piers. There are

1538
01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:05,559
Speaker 1: some people who would say, you should relocate where you

1539
01:33:05,560 --> 01:33:07,240
Speaker 1: saw that buck. You should go and hunt there the

1540
01:33:07,360 --> 01:33:09,800
Speaker 1: very next day, or even some people if it's early

1541
01:33:09,840 --> 01:33:12,160
Speaker 1: in the day, they might pick up and move there

1542
01:33:12,200 --> 01:33:13,519
Speaker 1: in the middle of the day and hunt there in

1543
01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:16,840
Speaker 1: the evening. Other guys would say, no, I'm sticking to

1544
01:33:16,880 --> 01:33:19,720
Speaker 1: my guns. I'm in this spot for a reason. Eventually

1545
01:33:20,280 --> 01:33:22,920
Speaker 1: that buck or another mature buck will come through this spot.

1546
01:33:23,360 --> 01:33:26,479
Speaker 1: How do you react to a sighting of mature buck

1547
01:33:26,520 --> 01:33:29,599
Speaker 1: like that just out of range? Which which option would

1548
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:33,559
Speaker 1: you take? I use a three strike rule. If I

1549
01:33:33,640 --> 01:33:36,720
Speaker 1: see the same book that I want to shoot, or

1550
01:33:36,960 --> 01:33:39,880
Speaker 1: two different books that I want to shoot, do the

1551
01:33:39,960 --> 01:33:43,519
Speaker 1: same thing twice the third time, I'd better be sitting

1552
01:33:43,560 --> 01:33:49,000
Speaker 1: there one time. I don't think for me personally, I

1553
01:33:49,040 --> 01:33:55,160
Speaker 1: think reacting off of one sighting is just too darn reactionary.

1554
01:33:55,320 --> 01:33:57,960
Speaker 1: And I mean, dear do things all the time once.

1555
01:33:59,120 --> 01:34:01,920
Speaker 1: I mean every day they do something that that they

1556
01:34:01,960 --> 01:34:06,280
Speaker 1: don't normally do once. You know, I can't guarantee that,

1557
01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:09,639
Speaker 1: but I think that's a pretty darn safe bat. Okay, Um,

1558
01:34:09,680 --> 01:34:12,559
Speaker 1: but when you see either the same buck do the

1559
01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:15,400
Speaker 1: same thing twice, or two different mature bucks do the

1560
01:34:15,439 --> 01:34:20,000
Speaker 1: same thing twice, well, there's probably now I start taking

1561
01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:23,960
Speaker 1: that seriously. Now I'm gonna know, I'm gonna shift. Okay, Now,

1562
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:27,760
Speaker 1: what about this slight adjustment? What if what you what

1563
01:34:27,880 --> 01:34:31,880
Speaker 1: if you saw that morning you're hunting and that mature

1564
01:34:31,880 --> 01:34:35,080
Speaker 1: buck is chasing a dough and you see him chasing

1565
01:34:35,120 --> 01:34:40,479
Speaker 1: this dough into a betting area. Maybe oftentimes there's a

1566
01:34:40,520 --> 01:34:43,719
Speaker 1: belief that sometimes they will see like a circling eventually

1567
01:34:43,720 --> 01:34:45,559
Speaker 1: happen where that dough will kind of take that buck

1568
01:34:45,560 --> 01:34:48,479
Speaker 1: in a circle and they'll pass through there. Again, would

1569
01:34:48,479 --> 01:34:51,479
Speaker 1: you make a move immediately or very soon after in

1570
01:34:51,520 --> 01:34:53,120
Speaker 1: that kind of case or is it still the same

1571
01:34:53,160 --> 01:34:55,559
Speaker 1: three strike role? If I if I'm going to stand

1572
01:34:55,600 --> 01:34:59,360
Speaker 1: over there at that betting area, I'm crawling out right there,

1573
01:34:59,479 --> 01:35:02,640
Speaker 1: walking a over and crawling up. If I don't have

1574
01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:04,680
Speaker 1: a stand there, I'm not gonna run. I'm not going

1575
01:35:04,720 --> 01:35:08,120
Speaker 1: to yank this stand shifted over there and reset it

1576
01:35:08,200 --> 01:35:12,479
Speaker 1: because to me, that is way, way, way too much risk,

1577
01:35:13,040 --> 01:35:15,200
Speaker 1: you know, the odds of being able to get away,

1578
01:35:15,479 --> 01:35:18,040
Speaker 1: to be able to get away at I'm guessing it's

1579
01:35:18,120 --> 01:35:20,160
Speaker 1: like eight nine o'clock in the morning where we're just

1580
01:35:20,200 --> 01:35:24,559
Speaker 1: seeing this whole thing play out. Now at eight nine

1581
01:35:24,600 --> 01:35:27,240
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning, I'm gonna yank my stand now.

1582
01:35:27,320 --> 01:35:29,280
Speaker 1: I don't use If I had a climber, that might

1583
01:35:29,280 --> 01:35:32,639
Speaker 1: be a different story. But I hunt out of out

1584
01:35:32,680 --> 01:35:36,439
Speaker 1: of hands and not climbers, just because of a few

1585
01:35:36,680 --> 01:35:41,040
Speaker 1: bad experiences in my youth with Baker climbers um which

1586
01:35:41,080 --> 01:35:44,599
Speaker 1: were one percent in my fault. But I still doesn't

1587
01:35:44,720 --> 01:35:47,519
Speaker 1: change the fact that jeez, I went down way too

1588
01:35:47,560 --> 01:35:51,000
Speaker 1: many trees with them way too fast to be to

1589
01:35:51,120 --> 01:35:54,360
Speaker 1: ever really be completely comfortable in them. It's all in

1590
01:35:54,400 --> 01:36:01,320
Speaker 1: my head. But um ah d there than as I said,

1591
01:36:01,360 --> 01:36:05,120
Speaker 1: if I was a climbing tree stand hunter, I I

1592
01:36:05,160 --> 01:36:08,720
Speaker 1: probably would shift right then and there. But if I

1593
01:36:08,760 --> 01:36:10,920
Speaker 1: don't have a tree stand there. I'm not going to

1594
01:36:11,040 --> 01:36:15,080
Speaker 1: go ahead and set up a tree stand fifty yards

1595
01:36:15,080 --> 01:36:17,120
Speaker 1: off to the east on the edge of that bedding

1596
01:36:17,200 --> 01:36:22,160
Speaker 1: area right now, because geez, that buck is chasing that

1597
01:36:22,200 --> 01:36:26,280
Speaker 1: door around there and adds they're really good that I'm

1598
01:36:26,280 --> 01:36:28,679
Speaker 1: gonna get busted by something trying to pull it off,

1599
01:36:28,760 --> 01:36:31,519
Speaker 1: and geez, I just went ahead and became my own

1600
01:36:31,520 --> 01:36:34,960
Speaker 1: worst enemy. So it's kind of it's what all these

1601
01:36:35,000 --> 01:36:41,920
Speaker 1: types of deciations for me are balancing odds and what

1602
01:36:42,520 --> 01:36:46,920
Speaker 1: there's And I wish I couldn't say that this this

1603
01:36:47,320 --> 01:36:50,760
Speaker 1: is the line that where it flips. I can't. It's

1604
01:36:50,920 --> 01:36:53,880
Speaker 1: just in my Okay, what do I have to gain?

1605
01:36:53,920 --> 01:36:56,000
Speaker 1: What do I have to lose? Does this makes sense?

1606
01:36:57,479 --> 01:37:02,519
Speaker 1: I go through that no us times every set. I mean,

1607
01:37:02,640 --> 01:37:05,000
Speaker 1: when I'm watching that buck chase that dough, I'm going

1608
01:37:05,040 --> 01:37:07,320
Speaker 1: through that. Okay, Do I try to go ahead and

1609
01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:10,080
Speaker 1: call her call him off, that dough He's got what

1610
01:37:10,120 --> 01:37:12,160
Speaker 1: she wants when he wants already, that dough is not

1611
01:37:12,280 --> 01:37:16,040
Speaker 1: going to be happy with hearing the calling going on here.

1612
01:37:16,720 --> 01:37:21,519
Speaker 1: M getting out. Let Let's just let this play out.

1613
01:37:22,280 --> 01:37:24,200
Speaker 1: Let's let it play out in the see because I

1614
01:37:24,240 --> 01:37:27,000
Speaker 1: think the odds of it going south are too high

1615
01:37:27,080 --> 01:37:31,559
Speaker 1: to take this risk. Their heads a straight away. Now, Okay,

1616
01:37:31,920 --> 01:37:34,599
Speaker 1: I'm pretty darn sure she's not planning on coming back.

1617
01:37:34,640 --> 01:37:36,559
Speaker 1: All right now, you throw the book at him, because

1618
01:37:36,600 --> 01:37:40,040
Speaker 1: what do I got to lose? Those are the type

1619
01:37:40,320 --> 01:37:43,080
Speaker 1: that's the type of stuff that's always going through my head.

1620
01:37:45,080 --> 01:37:49,320
Speaker 1: Um what you kind of answered this for that scenario.

1621
01:37:49,360 --> 01:37:51,320
Speaker 1: But I'm just curious if we put it in more

1622
01:37:51,360 --> 01:37:55,840
Speaker 1: general generalities here. Lots of times there are folks that

1623
01:37:56,120 --> 01:37:59,040
Speaker 1: during the rut will hunt one kind of location in

1624
01:37:59,080 --> 01:38:01,200
Speaker 1: the morning and they want to hunt a different kind

1625
01:38:01,200 --> 01:38:03,960
Speaker 1: of location for the second half of the day or

1626
01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:06,400
Speaker 1: for the evening hours. Maybe they want to be closer

1627
01:38:06,400 --> 01:38:09,120
Speaker 1: to a doe feeding area or something for the during

1628
01:38:09,160 --> 01:38:11,519
Speaker 1: that rut time period. If you were going to make

1629
01:38:11,560 --> 01:38:15,599
Speaker 1: a stand change during the rut and you're hunting, let's

1630
01:38:15,600 --> 01:38:17,640
Speaker 1: say you're hunting pretty much the whole day, but you

1631
01:38:17,640 --> 01:38:21,000
Speaker 1: want to shift locations at some point, all of the

1632
01:38:21,120 --> 01:38:24,040
Speaker 1: things being equal, what time would you think is the

1633
01:38:24,120 --> 01:38:27,519
Speaker 1: safest time typically to make that move? Because I always

1634
01:38:27,520 --> 01:38:29,720
Speaker 1: worry about this because during the rut you do have

1635
01:38:29,800 --> 01:38:33,400
Speaker 1: this increased midday movement of mature bucks. Cruising. So I'm

1636
01:38:33,400 --> 01:38:36,480
Speaker 1: always trying to wonder, like, what is the possible lowest

1637
01:38:36,680 --> 01:38:40,280
Speaker 1: point of of risk during the day to make that shift.

1638
01:38:43,479 --> 01:38:48,200
Speaker 1: I I'll be honest with you, I look at it more,

1639
01:38:49,240 --> 01:38:51,840
Speaker 1: not so much from the risk standpoint, but from the

1640
01:38:51,920 --> 01:38:58,880
Speaker 1: reward standpoint. Um, I if I've been Okay, So here's

1641
01:38:58,920 --> 01:39:04,360
Speaker 1: a very real six scenario. It's November seventh. I'm gonna

1642
01:39:04,439 --> 01:39:07,040
Speaker 1: be hunting. Then I'm going to get in early. I'm

1643
01:39:07,080 --> 01:39:08,760
Speaker 1: going to hunt it down one side of a dough

1644
01:39:08,840 --> 01:39:13,920
Speaker 1: betting area back in the timber. Okay, Well, once you

1645
01:39:14,040 --> 01:39:18,320
Speaker 1: get to that last hour or so, last hour and

1646
01:39:18,320 --> 01:39:22,120
Speaker 1: a half before dark, and no betting areas were really

1647
01:39:22,120 --> 01:39:27,040
Speaker 1: worth a dark because the dos are gone. Mr Bigs,

1648
01:39:27,040 --> 01:39:30,479
Speaker 1: no idiot. He realizes that, oh yeah, about two hours

1649
01:39:30,520 --> 01:39:33,280
Speaker 1: before dark, the does get up and they start me

1650
01:39:33,320 --> 01:39:35,840
Speaker 1: and ring around doing a little browsing in the woods

1651
01:39:35,840 --> 01:39:38,839
Speaker 1: as they slowly make their way to h to whatever

1652
01:39:38,880 --> 01:39:41,240
Speaker 1: food source. I mean, if you're up in the big

1653
01:39:41,240 --> 01:39:45,080
Speaker 1: woods of the Big Woods or wherever, it might be

1654
01:39:45,120 --> 01:39:50,280
Speaker 1: a clear cut, or if you're down in I would's

1655
01:39:50,280 --> 01:39:54,519
Speaker 1: probably an egg field. But either way, he realizes that

1656
01:39:54,680 --> 01:39:58,719
Speaker 1: they generally get up about this time. They generally started

1657
01:39:58,800 --> 01:40:01,120
Speaker 1: me and during their way to to the food plot,

1658
01:40:01,160 --> 01:40:04,160
Speaker 1: They've generally arrived at the food plot at such and

1659
01:40:04,200 --> 01:40:07,320
Speaker 1: such a time, no different thing. You understand what the

1660
01:40:07,439 --> 01:40:11,160
Speaker 1: daily events are that go on in your home. So

1661
01:40:11,320 --> 01:40:14,720
Speaker 1: does Mr Big. This is his dying house. Okay, So

1662
01:40:14,920 --> 01:40:16,840
Speaker 1: at that point I don't want to be sitting on

1663
01:40:16,880 --> 01:40:20,519
Speaker 1: that dope bedding area anymore. But I also understand that

1664
01:40:20,560 --> 01:40:24,400
Speaker 1: I gotta beat I gotta get out of here before

1665
01:40:25,439 --> 01:40:28,719
Speaker 1: everything really starts going two nuts in the woods. Otherwise

1666
01:40:28,720 --> 01:40:31,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be running the gauntlet getting to my understand. Now,

1667
01:40:32,840 --> 01:40:35,200
Speaker 1: if I am running the gauntlet getting to my other stand,

1668
01:40:35,240 --> 01:40:37,120
Speaker 1: I'm not going to just go ahead and do a

1669
01:40:37,160 --> 01:40:39,760
Speaker 1: normal walk. I'm going to essentially still hunt my way

1670
01:40:39,800 --> 01:40:42,320
Speaker 1: over to the other stand, not believing that I'm going

1671
01:40:42,360 --> 01:40:46,400
Speaker 1: to shoot something, but just believing that, oh, there's a

1672
01:40:46,400 --> 01:40:50,720
Speaker 1: deer up in a boat, and I really want to

1673
01:40:50,760 --> 01:40:54,040
Speaker 1: see them before they see me. And every now and

1674
01:40:54,080 --> 01:40:57,200
Speaker 1: then something really weird happens. And at one of the

1675
01:40:57,280 --> 01:41:00,559
Speaker 1: bucks I'm looking at as we speak, I sat shot

1676
01:41:01,240 --> 01:41:04,680
Speaker 1: at twenty yards on the ground. I walked up to him,

1677
01:41:04,920 --> 01:41:08,160
Speaker 1: and when I got thirty yards away, he crouched down

1678
01:41:08,280 --> 01:41:10,599
Speaker 1: really hard in his bed, and I couldn't shoot him

1679
01:41:10,640 --> 01:41:13,760
Speaker 1: there and took ten more steps. He stood up for me,

1680
01:41:13,800 --> 01:41:17,400
Speaker 1: and I shot him. That's the only buck I can

1681
01:41:17,520 --> 01:41:21,320
Speaker 1: ever say I did something like that with. But you know,

1682
01:41:21,439 --> 01:41:23,439
Speaker 1: and I was glad I had a bowl, and I

1683
01:41:23,479 --> 01:41:25,439
Speaker 1: was glad I had my hair win the bowl. And

1684
01:41:25,479 --> 01:41:28,200
Speaker 1: I'm glad I came to fuldraw even when I didn't

1685
01:41:28,240 --> 01:41:30,599
Speaker 1: think there was any way this was really going to happen.

1686
01:41:31,400 --> 01:41:33,960
Speaker 1: So I do try to keep you try to keep

1687
01:41:34,040 --> 01:41:37,559
Speaker 1: my options open, just because every now and then a

1688
01:41:37,600 --> 01:41:41,400
Speaker 1: blue moon happens. Okay, But generally speaking, I do a

1689
01:41:41,479 --> 01:41:44,559
Speaker 1: stock to the stand just just because I don't want

1690
01:41:44,560 --> 01:41:48,400
Speaker 1: to explode stuff. If I don't have to, um, but

1691
01:41:48,479 --> 01:41:51,920
Speaker 1: i'd want to be I'd probably make that switch about

1692
01:41:52,479 --> 01:41:57,160
Speaker 1: a good honest at least three hours before dark. The

1693
01:41:57,200 --> 01:41:59,880
Speaker 1: one thing I have noticed over the years in my

1694
01:42:00,040 --> 01:42:04,320
Speaker 1: experience listens a lot to do with outfitters. Outfitters generally speaking,

1695
01:42:04,880 --> 01:42:08,719
Speaker 1: try to hunt their clients as late in the morning

1696
01:42:08,760 --> 01:42:13,599
Speaker 1: as they possibly can, and then the clients get back,

1697
01:42:14,040 --> 01:42:16,439
Speaker 1: get something to eat, blah blah blah blah blah, maybe

1698
01:42:16,439 --> 01:42:19,479
Speaker 1: take a little nap, and then end up getting out

1699
01:42:19,560 --> 01:42:25,120
Speaker 1: with two hours left in the afternoon, I would much

1700
01:42:25,640 --> 01:42:28,479
Speaker 1: much much rather be if I'm sitting on a this

1701
01:42:28,560 --> 01:42:31,840
Speaker 1: who gonna sounds stupid, But if I'm sitting especially on

1702
01:42:31,920 --> 01:42:35,519
Speaker 1: an inwards food plot, but even on egg feels where

1703
01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:39,080
Speaker 1: I can see back into the woods, I end up

1704
01:42:39,080 --> 01:42:44,240
Speaker 1: seeing a lot more mature box activity or to two

1705
01:42:44,240 --> 01:42:47,599
Speaker 1: hours before dark than I do those last two hours.

1706
01:42:50,040 --> 01:42:52,120
Speaker 1: And I do think, I do think that a lot

1707
01:42:52,160 --> 01:42:55,360
Speaker 1: of people, especially with more without fitters than anything because

1708
01:42:55,439 --> 01:42:58,920
Speaker 1: the scenario I described, but end up getting only to

1709
01:42:59,040 --> 01:43:02,679
Speaker 1: their after your news stands during the rut way too darn. Wait,

1710
01:43:04,080 --> 01:43:07,000
Speaker 1: so it's probably gonna be about four hours before dark

1711
01:43:07,040 --> 01:43:10,200
Speaker 1: I'll shift from the betting area on down to the

1712
01:43:10,320 --> 01:43:14,000
Speaker 1: food plot or hunting food in some way, shape or form,

1713
01:43:14,040 --> 01:43:17,280
Speaker 1: because really, when I'm doing some hunting dolls Mr Vegas

1714
01:43:17,360 --> 01:43:21,360
Speaker 1: Hunting does so guess what I want to hunt, because

1715
01:43:21,360 --> 01:43:24,040
Speaker 1: if I hunt the same thing he is, I'm going

1716
01:43:24,080 --> 01:43:27,040
Speaker 1: to intercept his patterns. And a lot of people think

1717
01:43:27,120 --> 01:43:29,880
Speaker 1: that mature bucks don't have patterns during the rut, but

1718
01:43:29,960 --> 01:43:32,960
Speaker 1: I'm telling you I've a lot of them. I think,

1719
01:43:32,960 --> 01:43:35,679
Speaker 1: cling to patterns more tightly during the rut than any

1720
01:43:35,680 --> 01:43:39,320
Speaker 1: other time. Of year. I remember talking with you about

1721
01:43:39,360 --> 01:43:42,240
Speaker 1: this a few years ago, um, and how you had

1722
01:43:42,280 --> 01:43:46,560
Speaker 1: been seeing how they'll have these core areas typically associated

1723
01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:49,000
Speaker 1: with Doll family groups that will kind of cycle through

1724
01:43:49,479 --> 01:43:52,559
Speaker 1: typically checking these spots where they've come to find that, yes,

1725
01:43:52,600 --> 01:43:54,519
Speaker 1: there are going to be does here. Um, but that

1726
01:43:54,600 --> 01:43:57,640
Speaker 1: was probably five years ago. Has your thought process or

1727
01:43:57,680 --> 01:44:00,960
Speaker 1: your beliefs around patterning deer with a is that evolved

1728
01:44:01,000 --> 01:44:04,200
Speaker 1: at all over the last five years? Are you just

1729
01:44:04,400 --> 01:44:10,160
Speaker 1: anything forgotten to be more and more? I mean at first,

1730
01:44:10,160 --> 01:44:15,160
Speaker 1: when I first thought I figured this out, oh, I

1731
01:44:15,160 --> 01:44:18,600
Speaker 1: I was more than a little bit leery because everyone

1732
01:44:18,760 --> 01:44:21,960
Speaker 1: and I do mean everybody else as oh fair, oh

1733
01:44:22,040 --> 01:44:24,880
Speaker 1: you can't. You can't patent box during the run. I

1734
01:44:24,880 --> 01:44:28,760
Speaker 1: mean I've heard that my whole day life. But then

1735
01:44:28,880 --> 01:44:33,280
Speaker 1: just so much of this to me is just it

1736
01:44:33,360 --> 01:44:37,960
Speaker 1: doesn't pass the common sense test, just common flip and sense.

1737
01:44:38,000 --> 01:44:41,839
Speaker 1: White tails are not that complicated of animals, And frankly,

1738
01:44:41,840 --> 01:44:44,920
Speaker 1: when people try to make them complicated, I honestly believe

1739
01:44:44,960 --> 01:44:46,800
Speaker 1: it's either they don't have a clue what the act

1740
01:44:46,800 --> 01:44:51,760
Speaker 1: they're talking about, or they're trying to impress somebody. Um,

1741
01:44:52,760 --> 01:44:57,719
Speaker 1: They're they're just they're trying to survive, nothing more, nothing less,

1742
01:44:57,760 --> 01:45:00,200
Speaker 1: and they like it when they're comfortable and half be

1743
01:45:00,240 --> 01:45:06,600
Speaker 1: at the same time. UM, I'll be brutally honest with you.

1744
01:45:06,640 --> 01:45:10,000
Speaker 1: I forgot what the heck we're talking about. I had

1745
01:45:10,000 --> 01:45:12,800
Speaker 1: asked if you're if your thoughts on patterning during the

1746
01:45:12,880 --> 01:45:18,519
Speaker 1: run changed at all. Mr Big knows his house just

1747
01:45:18,680 --> 01:45:22,519
Speaker 1: like we do. Um, just like our dogs are pets.

1748
01:45:22,560 --> 01:45:26,639
Speaker 1: Do you know he knows where these where these family

1749
01:45:26,680 --> 01:45:30,759
Speaker 1: groups are most likely going to be during any period

1750
01:45:30,920 --> 01:45:34,120
Speaker 1: of a twenty four hour period he's trying to breathe

1751
01:45:34,120 --> 01:45:39,080
Speaker 1: these does Do you think he's checking the dope when

1752
01:45:39,160 --> 01:45:43,040
Speaker 1: he is not actively breathing a dough? Do you think

1753
01:45:43,080 --> 01:45:47,320
Speaker 1: he's checking that dope betting area during the daylight when

1754
01:45:47,320 --> 01:45:50,920
Speaker 1: they're there more days than not. Of course he is,

1755
01:45:50,960 --> 01:45:53,519
Speaker 1: because he's trying to find hot does if that's not

1756
01:45:53,560 --> 01:45:56,680
Speaker 1: a pattern, I don't know what the heck is you?

1757
01:45:57,280 --> 01:46:01,519
Speaker 1: Is it possible that, oh jeez uh different mature buck

1758
01:46:01,840 --> 01:46:06,080
Speaker 1: ended up wandering in He got on a Estra's doe,

1759
01:46:06,520 --> 01:46:10,599
Speaker 1: took him over his home range line and took him

1760
01:46:10,640 --> 01:46:13,000
Speaker 1: to an area he's never been before. He got done

1761
01:46:13,040 --> 01:46:15,400
Speaker 1: with her started headed back home. Oh, I picked up

1762
01:46:15,439 --> 01:46:17,800
Speaker 1: the scent of another one. Now next thing you know,

1763
01:46:17,880 --> 01:46:20,120
Speaker 1: he's three miles away from home and he's walking through

1764
01:46:20,120 --> 01:46:23,479
Speaker 1: this betting area and man, he sees the buck you're

1765
01:46:23,560 --> 01:46:26,360
Speaker 1: hunting and he drives him the heck off to stuff

1766
01:46:26,439 --> 01:46:30,599
Speaker 1: like that ever happened? Of course it does. And early season,

1767
01:46:30,920 --> 01:46:33,519
Speaker 1: when the farmer goes out and cuts the wood right

1768
01:46:33,560 --> 01:46:37,720
Speaker 1: around his field all day, does that impact defeating that night?

1769
01:46:38,479 --> 01:46:41,320
Speaker 1: Sure it can, especially if he decides to do it

1770
01:46:41,400 --> 01:46:45,880
Speaker 1: until dark. Now there's all. And when a coyote goes

1771
01:46:45,920 --> 01:46:50,519
Speaker 1: into goes into Mr Big betting area on October three

1772
01:46:51,120 --> 01:46:54,760
Speaker 1: and boots him out and he goes you know, ends

1773
01:46:54,800 --> 01:46:58,120
Speaker 1: up shifting to a different betting spot he's comfortable with

1774
01:46:58,280 --> 01:47:01,280
Speaker 1: a mile away. Did that changes patterns? Of course it did.

1775
01:47:01,560 --> 01:47:06,040
Speaker 1: All sorts of things can alter a bucks patterns. But

1776
01:47:07,000 --> 01:47:11,360
Speaker 1: if stopping and checking that food source because he knows

1777
01:47:11,600 --> 01:47:14,839
Speaker 1: those are gonna be there after dark in these betting

1778
01:47:14,840 --> 01:47:17,840
Speaker 1: areas during the day, because he knows those are going

1779
01:47:17,880 --> 01:47:20,839
Speaker 1: to be there during the day, If that's not a pattern,

1780
01:47:20,920 --> 01:47:24,160
Speaker 1: what the heck is? And I'll tell you I get,

1781
01:47:24,240 --> 01:47:28,320
Speaker 1: I can I have. This is where trail cameras and

1782
01:47:29,360 --> 01:47:33,040
Speaker 1: especially Jeez for those who can afford him or conics.

1783
01:47:33,040 --> 01:47:38,639
Speaker 1: Trail cameras are God's gift to hunting in that when

1784
01:47:38,880 --> 01:47:45,960
Speaker 1: you have picture after picture after picture after picture of

1785
01:47:46,040 --> 01:47:50,400
Speaker 1: the same mature box checking the same food sources and

1786
01:47:50,479 --> 01:47:54,559
Speaker 1: the same betting areas during the run, really hard not

1787
01:47:54,640 --> 01:47:58,760
Speaker 1: to call that a pattern, isn't it? Howd argue that?

1788
01:48:00,400 --> 01:48:03,840
Speaker 1: And that's what the beautiful thing that the thing that

1789
01:48:03,960 --> 01:48:10,520
Speaker 1: has But I flat out love about running the ridiculous

1790
01:48:10,640 --> 01:48:14,160
Speaker 1: number of trail cameras that I do is there are

1791
01:48:14,360 --> 01:48:18,120
Speaker 1: so many things people are saying out there that this

1792
01:48:18,320 --> 01:48:22,080
Speaker 1: is the way it is. I'll tell you what, pictures

1793
01:48:22,120 --> 01:48:28,439
Speaker 1: don't why? And I've got picture after picture after picture

1794
01:48:28,479 --> 01:48:31,559
Speaker 1: of mature bucks doing all sorts of things we're told

1795
01:48:31,680 --> 01:48:34,880
Speaker 1: over and over and over they just playing, don't do?

1796
01:48:34,880 --> 01:48:37,600
Speaker 1: Do you run your cameras? Do you let me rephrase this,

1797
01:48:38,760 --> 01:48:42,200
Speaker 1: which do you find more valuable having your trail cameras

1798
01:48:42,240 --> 01:48:44,640
Speaker 1: on photo mode and you don't need to touch them

1799
01:48:44,720 --> 01:48:47,400
Speaker 1: or go bother them for weeks and weeks and weeks

1800
01:48:47,400 --> 01:48:51,000
Speaker 1: on because the battery stcard lasts a long time, or

1801
01:48:51,120 --> 01:48:53,800
Speaker 1: having your cameras on video mode where you can maybe

1802
01:48:53,800 --> 01:48:56,720
Speaker 1: get more information but fills up the st card much

1803
01:48:56,760 --> 01:48:59,479
Speaker 1: more quickly. Batteries run down much more quickly. You have

1804
01:48:59,520 --> 01:49:04,439
Speaker 1: to go in them more often. Uh. Both, but for

1805
01:49:04,560 --> 01:49:08,880
Speaker 1: different reasons when it comes to UH, when it comes

1806
01:49:08,880 --> 01:49:14,799
Speaker 1: to just playing I ding and inventorying the standing stock

1807
01:49:15,400 --> 01:49:18,519
Speaker 1: of white tails on that ground at any given time,

1808
01:49:19,280 --> 01:49:22,880
Speaker 1: I really like pictures because I'll go ahead and get

1809
01:49:22,960 --> 01:49:27,519
Speaker 1: four five, I'll set it to rapid shot burst and

1810
01:49:27,560 --> 01:49:30,680
Speaker 1: I'll get four or five, six, seven, eight pictures. Uh,

1811
01:49:30,720 --> 01:49:34,759
Speaker 1: there's one buck and I can zoom in, I can study,

1812
01:49:34,880 --> 01:49:38,679
Speaker 1: I can do all this stuff, um that I can't

1813
01:49:38,680 --> 01:49:47,519
Speaker 1: do with video. When it comes to understanding white tail behavior, Oh, man,

1814
01:49:47,640 --> 01:49:55,400
Speaker 1: does it ever fuck battery life and card space? Going

1815
01:49:55,439 --> 01:49:59,680
Speaker 1: ahead of setting setting your camera to HD mode for

1816
01:49:59,720 --> 01:50:05,680
Speaker 1: two is it's continue with shooting and oh we can

1817
01:50:05,720 --> 01:50:08,560
Speaker 1: get to be painful going through some of those sometimes

1818
01:50:09,040 --> 01:50:12,040
Speaker 1: when you got fifty, when you got fifty chips, you're

1819
01:50:12,080 --> 01:50:15,559
Speaker 1: going through of the But man, if you want to learn,

1820
01:50:17,560 --> 01:50:22,240
Speaker 1: I'm to this day by far the best teacher I

1821
01:50:22,280 --> 01:50:25,439
Speaker 1: have ever had when it comes to hunting or white tails,

1822
01:50:26,640 --> 01:50:29,599
Speaker 1: because they don't know how to lie, they don't know

1823
01:50:29,640 --> 01:50:32,800
Speaker 1: how to deceive you. All they do is they go

1824
01:50:32,800 --> 01:50:36,120
Speaker 1: out and they live their life, and you sit there

1825
01:50:36,120 --> 01:50:39,200
Speaker 1: and you watch them, and they will teach you everything

1826
01:50:39,320 --> 01:50:46,320
Speaker 1: you need to know. I like, I studied here, and

1827
01:50:46,400 --> 01:50:50,240
Speaker 1: the videos are invaluable for that. But that's how, that's

1828
01:50:50,240 --> 01:50:53,200
Speaker 1: how I've been able to put a whole bunch of

1829
01:50:53,200 --> 01:50:56,639
Speaker 1: stuff together. Like, Okay, there's a picture of that buck.

1830
01:50:57,439 --> 01:51:00,639
Speaker 1: That didn't tell me much. All I know right now

1831
01:51:00,800 --> 01:51:02,759
Speaker 1: is that wait a minute, he is quite a ways

1832
01:51:02,880 --> 01:51:06,600
Speaker 1: out of his normal area. But I've got it on

1833
01:51:06,760 --> 01:51:10,800
Speaker 1: video mode instead, So oh, there goes just I just

1834
01:51:10,960 --> 01:51:15,520
Speaker 1: caught the flash of a dough flying through and oh,

1835
01:51:15,640 --> 01:51:19,639
Speaker 1: here's that buck right behind here. Ah, so I bet

1836
01:51:19,680 --> 01:51:23,400
Speaker 1: you he went ahead and came across a dough whose

1837
01:51:23,439 --> 01:51:28,200
Speaker 1: home range overlapped his. He got honor, And that's why

1838
01:51:28,280 --> 01:51:30,800
Speaker 1: he's actually over here. It's not because he's coming over

1839
01:51:30,800 --> 01:51:33,639
Speaker 1: here looking for a girl. He's actually had a girl

1840
01:51:33,800 --> 01:51:40,559
Speaker 1: leader him here. And then um, something like this, Jesus, nasty,

1841
01:51:40,760 --> 01:51:44,759
Speaker 1: nasty eight point on one of the properties I managed

1842
01:51:44,840 --> 01:51:49,360
Speaker 1: years ago. Just an absolute proof of a bully of

1843
01:51:49,400 --> 01:51:52,559
Speaker 1: a buck um seven and a half years old, built

1844
01:51:52,600 --> 01:51:56,240
Speaker 1: like a brickout house, and he was not shy about

1845
01:51:56,280 --> 01:52:00,360
Speaker 1: throwing his weight around. And I go ahead and shoot

1846
01:52:00,439 --> 01:52:06,760
Speaker 1: him one night and by midnight that same night, three

1847
01:52:06,800 --> 01:52:10,080
Speaker 1: and a half year old who had spent a ridiculous

1848
01:52:10,120 --> 01:52:14,000
Speaker 1: amount of time over here. Now I have video footage

1849
01:52:14,000 --> 01:52:16,920
Speaker 1: of him getting this butt handed to him two weeks before,

1850
01:52:17,400 --> 01:52:23,960
Speaker 1: by this eight point and now last six hours after

1851
01:52:24,000 --> 01:52:28,720
Speaker 1: he shot that buck is back? Is that a coincidence?

1852
01:52:29,760 --> 01:52:31,880
Speaker 1: And then that happens a third time in the fourth

1853
01:52:32,640 --> 01:52:38,120
Speaker 1: video mode? Is my greatest teacher. I need to h

1854
01:52:38,880 --> 01:52:41,599
Speaker 1: I need to better utilize that. I've always been hesitant

1855
01:52:41,680 --> 01:52:44,120
Speaker 1: to do it because of the better and st card implications.

1856
01:52:44,160 --> 01:52:49,559
Speaker 1: But I've been continuously getting more and more becoming more

1857
01:52:49,560 --> 01:52:51,559
Speaker 1: aware of what I'm missing out on. So you probably

1858
01:52:51,560 --> 01:52:53,439
Speaker 1: just put the nail on the coffin there for me, Steve,

1859
01:52:53,720 --> 01:52:56,800
Speaker 1: I gotta do it good, because the big thing that

1860
01:52:56,920 --> 01:52:59,680
Speaker 1: so many people do is they look at you. They

1861
01:52:59,720 --> 01:53:02,800
Speaker 1: look at their trail camera data. Not there are many

1862
01:53:02,840 --> 01:53:07,000
Speaker 1: people actually study it. Where was that buck coming from,

1863
01:53:07,080 --> 01:53:09,200
Speaker 1: where is he going, what's he doing? Why is he

1864
01:53:09,280 --> 01:53:13,360
Speaker 1: doing it now? That type of stuff, and really think

1865
01:53:13,400 --> 01:53:16,479
Speaker 1: when it comes to I can't hammer this enough when

1866
01:53:16,479 --> 01:53:21,479
Speaker 1: it comes to utilizing trail cameras. If you want intel

1867
01:53:21,640 --> 01:53:26,400
Speaker 1: on high impact locations, first ask yourself how can I

1868
01:53:26,439 --> 01:53:28,439
Speaker 1: get that saint, How can I get close to that

1869
01:53:28,520 --> 01:53:33,679
Speaker 1: same level of impact intel from a lower impact location? Um?

1870
01:53:33,760 --> 01:53:36,960
Speaker 1: And then when I when I actually do go back

1871
01:53:37,000 --> 01:53:41,240
Speaker 1: in there and set up cameras, there's the second gun

1872
01:53:41,280 --> 01:53:45,800
Speaker 1: season closes. The second the last gun season closes, that's

1873
01:53:45,840 --> 01:53:49,520
Speaker 1: when I shift my cameras to high high impact locations.

1874
01:53:49,640 --> 01:53:54,800
Speaker 1: I really want to figure out or when my tag

1875
01:53:54,920 --> 01:53:58,160
Speaker 1: is full of whichever occurs first. And can you explain

1876
01:53:58,200 --> 01:54:03,479
Speaker 1: why that is? Um, just because I don't want Okay,

1877
01:54:03,560 --> 01:54:07,599
Speaker 1: So after deer season, after gun season is over, I'm

1878
01:54:07,760 --> 01:54:13,040
Speaker 1: no longer anywhere near is worried about the managing aspect

1879
01:54:13,080 --> 01:54:16,400
Speaker 1: of deer. Okay, there's not that many of us out

1880
01:54:16,400 --> 01:54:21,080
Speaker 1: there anymore in late season, Okay, And frankly, it's gun

1881
01:54:21,160 --> 01:54:23,760
Speaker 1: season where you lose the majority of the deer that

1882
01:54:23,880 --> 01:54:28,840
Speaker 1: you're trying to limp along another year. So as soon

1883
01:54:28,880 --> 01:54:32,760
Speaker 1: as guns the last gun season for the year ends,

1884
01:54:32,840 --> 01:54:34,600
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about if they have a special do

1885
01:54:34,800 --> 01:54:37,120
Speaker 1: season at the end of season that I don't count.

1886
01:54:37,560 --> 01:54:42,880
Speaker 1: But um, in most states it goes firearms and muzzleloader hunting.

1887
01:54:43,360 --> 01:54:48,640
Speaker 1: Once muzzleloader hunting is over, that is when I'll seriously

1888
01:54:48,760 --> 01:54:53,000
Speaker 1: start to consider putting cameras into high impact areas that

1889
01:54:53,080 --> 01:54:56,640
Speaker 1: I want to understand what's going on back there. If

1890
01:54:56,680 --> 01:54:59,680
Speaker 1: I still have a tag or or this is a

1891
01:54:59,720 --> 01:55:02,320
Speaker 1: client it's ground and they have tags, they're still hunting.

1892
01:55:02,480 --> 01:55:05,000
Speaker 1: I'll wait till season is done or they fill their

1893
01:55:05,040 --> 01:55:08,440
Speaker 1: tang to go ahead and move in. But that is

1894
01:55:08,480 --> 01:55:12,040
Speaker 1: when I actually get my into Keep in mind, as

1895
01:55:12,120 --> 01:55:14,160
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm sure more than a few people

1896
01:55:14,200 --> 01:55:17,520
Speaker 1: are thinking as they say this, Yes, dear patterns do

1897
01:55:17,920 --> 01:55:21,560
Speaker 1: change over time, but generally speaking, they're going to use

1898
01:55:21,600 --> 01:55:24,400
Speaker 1: the topography of the exact same way no matter what

1899
01:55:24,520 --> 01:55:28,400
Speaker 1: time of year it is. They generally used the same

1900
01:55:28,440 --> 01:55:33,440
Speaker 1: travel corridors when they're trying to get from point A

1901
01:55:33,560 --> 01:55:37,120
Speaker 1: to point B in summer versus spring versus fall. You

1902
01:55:37,240 --> 01:55:42,680
Speaker 1: know that type of stuff. Speaking of that, I want

1903
01:55:43,040 --> 01:55:44,640
Speaker 1: you gotta wrap this up. I've kept you here for

1904
01:55:44,680 --> 01:55:48,480
Speaker 1: about nineteen hours. Your day has been completely awashed now

1905
01:55:48,480 --> 01:55:52,320
Speaker 1: because we've been talking bucks for so long. But I

1906
01:55:52,360 --> 01:55:55,640
Speaker 1: do want to end with one last sort of a

1907
01:55:55,760 --> 01:55:59,120
Speaker 1: rapid fire set of questions that relates to what you

1908
01:55:59,200 --> 01:56:02,720
Speaker 1: just suggested. Their little bit as far as how dear

1909
01:56:02,880 --> 01:56:06,240
Speaker 1: behavior or movements will shift throughout the year I want

1910
01:56:06,280 --> 01:56:08,160
Speaker 1: to I'm gonna present a date. I'm gonna give you

1911
01:56:08,200 --> 01:56:10,400
Speaker 1: a date, and then I would just like to hear

1912
01:56:10,440 --> 01:56:12,920
Speaker 1: from you, like the first thing that comes to mind

1913
01:56:13,280 --> 01:56:17,680
Speaker 1: the top hypothetical stand location for that date. I realized

1914
01:56:17,720 --> 01:56:21,120
Speaker 1: there's a lot of other outside variables, but just think

1915
01:56:21,160 --> 01:56:23,480
Speaker 1: of a hypothetical scenario that would be perfect for that date,

1916
01:56:23,520 --> 01:56:26,720
Speaker 1: and and kind of briefly explain the stand site for

1917
01:56:26,760 --> 01:56:28,360
Speaker 1: that date, and then only give you another date and

1918
01:56:28,360 --> 01:56:30,839
Speaker 1: on I list off a handful of dates throughout the season,

1919
01:56:31,400 --> 01:56:34,200
Speaker 1: and I'm just curious to see how your hypothetical stand

1920
01:56:34,280 --> 01:56:38,320
Speaker 1: setups would shift. And then we'll wrap it up right

1921
01:56:38,320 --> 01:56:42,080
Speaker 1: after that. So, first date, October one, Where are you

1922
01:56:42,120 --> 01:56:47,560
Speaker 1: hunting food? Food? Or the trails tour from UM at

1923
01:56:47,560 --> 01:56:50,720
Speaker 1: this point, Mr, big strength of that and up for

1924
01:56:50,800 --> 01:56:55,400
Speaker 1: the hell it's about to come. Best food? What would

1925
01:56:55,400 --> 01:56:59,440
Speaker 1: your top food source at that point? Early season? L

1926
01:56:59,560 --> 01:57:03,960
Speaker 1: self was really good. Clover can be really good UM

1927
01:57:04,240 --> 01:57:08,840
Speaker 1: and surprisingly to most people if if you're using the

1928
01:57:08,920 --> 01:57:12,960
Speaker 1: right strains, borassicas can be a really really powerful early

1929
01:57:13,040 --> 01:57:17,040
Speaker 1: season food source. UM, if you happen to have that

1930
01:57:17,080 --> 01:57:20,720
Speaker 1: one oak Ridget's drop and that's a really good spot.

1931
01:57:20,720 --> 01:57:24,000
Speaker 1: If you're hunting the big woods, those metals and those uh,

1932
01:57:24,240 --> 01:57:27,880
Speaker 1: those clear cut regrowths are both really really hard to

1933
01:57:27,920 --> 01:57:36,720
Speaker 1: beat that time here October twelve. It depends on the temperature. UM.

1934
01:57:36,760 --> 01:57:39,800
Speaker 1: If it's the temp drop like you were describing earlier,

1935
01:57:39,800 --> 01:57:43,440
Speaker 1: I'm hunting the rut, I'm hunting doze um dough betting

1936
01:57:43,480 --> 01:57:45,720
Speaker 1: areas in the morning and the food source and they're

1937
01:57:45,760 --> 01:57:48,240
Speaker 1: dominating in the afternoon. And if that buck has been

1938
01:57:48,240 --> 01:57:51,880
Speaker 1: consistently coming in an hour after dark, you give me

1939
01:57:51,960 --> 01:57:55,000
Speaker 1: that twenty degree temp drop, I'm expecting to shoot him

1940
01:57:55,040 --> 01:57:58,360
Speaker 1: a for half hour before dark right on that same

1941
01:57:58,360 --> 01:58:01,080
Speaker 1: food source. And don't bet again to me, because that

1942
01:58:01,160 --> 01:58:05,600
Speaker 1: happens a surprisingly high percentage of time. UM. In that

1943
01:58:05,800 --> 01:58:09,240
Speaker 1: is the exact scenario. When he's coming in consistently a

1944
01:58:09,280 --> 01:58:12,840
Speaker 1: half hour to two hours after dark, and now all

1945
01:58:12,880 --> 01:58:15,480
Speaker 1: of a sudden you get that twenty plus degree tempt drop,

1946
01:58:15,640 --> 01:58:17,800
Speaker 1: I'm playing it on him being there a half hour

1947
01:58:17,880 --> 01:58:23,120
Speaker 1: before dark that day. UM. If it's not a scenario

1948
01:58:23,320 --> 01:58:27,480
Speaker 1: like that, I'm probably hunting a low impact spot just

1949
01:58:28,080 --> 01:58:30,760
Speaker 1: to get the fixed of sitting at a tree stand,

1950
01:58:31,200 --> 01:58:35,040
Speaker 1: but not wanting to mess things up unless I have

1951
01:58:35,400 --> 01:58:38,680
Speaker 1: intel on a specific buck doing something. If I do

1952
01:58:38,760 --> 01:58:46,280
Speaker 1: at any point, I'm I'm jumping oct scrapes back in

1953
01:58:46,320 --> 01:58:53,720
Speaker 1: the woods, preferably in the morning. November four, um door groups,

1954
01:58:54,640 --> 01:59:00,880
Speaker 1: door groups in the funnels uh or the funnels UM

1955
01:59:00,920 --> 01:59:05,160
Speaker 1: separating them or the thickest, nastiest cover I can possibly find,

1956
01:59:05,440 --> 01:59:10,000
Speaker 1: or the dose feeding primary food source in the afternoons

1957
01:59:10,680 --> 01:59:20,040
Speaker 1: November same thing, December seven, December seven. In the mornings,

1958
01:59:20,240 --> 01:59:26,240
Speaker 1: I actually late season morning huntings to me stink in

1959
01:59:26,400 --> 01:59:30,400
Speaker 1: every way except for setting up on dough groups and

1960
01:59:30,600 --> 01:59:34,920
Speaker 1: trying to catch Mr Big going after going after a

1961
01:59:35,000 --> 01:59:41,000
Speaker 1: dough fon UM. So in the morning, might be hunting

1962
01:59:41,000 --> 01:59:46,200
Speaker 1: a dough group in the afternoon. I'm sitting food. Now,

1963
01:59:46,200 --> 01:59:48,640
Speaker 1: when I'm saying I'm sitting food, that doesn't always mean

1964
01:59:48,680 --> 01:59:52,440
Speaker 1: I'm sitting on food, but it's food related in one way,

1965
01:59:52,440 --> 01:59:55,120
Speaker 1: shape or form. I mean you're sitting on the food source,

1966
01:59:55,240 --> 01:59:58,760
Speaker 1: or I'm setting a travel corridor leading to that food source.

1967
01:59:59,320 --> 02:00:01,720
Speaker 1: And quite Le's lead. The decision between the two is

1968
02:00:01,760 --> 02:00:04,080
Speaker 1: going to be made on based on how confident I

1969
02:00:04,160 --> 02:00:07,080
Speaker 1: am that Mr Biggs may show up before dark. The

1970
02:00:07,240 --> 02:00:09,280
Speaker 1: less confident I am that he's going to show up

1971
02:00:09,280 --> 02:00:12,080
Speaker 1: before dark, the closer to the betting area I'm trying

1972
02:00:12,080 --> 02:00:15,840
Speaker 1: to be. Do things change it all in January seven,

1973
02:00:16,240 --> 02:00:20,440
Speaker 1: one month later? Um No, it's the exact same approach

1974
02:00:20,480 --> 02:00:23,680
Speaker 1: for me. The only thing is is the later you get,

1975
02:00:23,720 --> 02:00:27,640
Speaker 1: the more and more food becomes king. And how if

1976
02:00:27,680 --> 02:00:31,320
Speaker 1: there is a if there's a secret to trophy buck hunting,

1977
02:00:31,600 --> 02:00:35,000
Speaker 1: to mature buck hunting, it's a late season so much

1978
02:00:35,040 --> 02:00:39,680
Speaker 1: better than most people realize, assuming you've got an area

1979
02:00:39,680 --> 02:00:44,520
Speaker 1: that's low pressure. And of course, yes, and thank you

1980
02:00:44,560 --> 02:00:47,840
Speaker 1: because you are. If you're talking, if you're talking late

1981
02:00:47,880 --> 02:00:52,080
Speaker 1: season on public land and in northern Wisconsin, good Dane,

1982
02:00:52,120 --> 02:00:55,280
Speaker 1: look body, because you see a squirrel. It's been a

1983
02:00:55,280 --> 02:01:01,520
Speaker 1: good set. Um No, I'm I'm talking out. I'm talking

1984
02:01:01,560 --> 02:01:08,520
Speaker 1: about hunting mature bucks in the mature buck meccas, that

1985
02:01:08,800 --> 02:01:12,800
Speaker 1: is late seasons. I actually learned a couple of things.

1986
02:01:12,800 --> 02:01:17,240
Speaker 1: I learned doing trophybuck profiles for North American white tail

1987
02:01:17,240 --> 02:01:21,200
Speaker 1: of years and years and years ago. A ridiculous amount

1988
02:01:21,360 --> 02:01:25,200
Speaker 1: of private landowners are killing their biggest bucks in December

1989
02:01:25,240 --> 02:01:28,680
Speaker 1: and January. The other thing I learned is when it

1990
02:01:28,760 --> 02:01:32,880
Speaker 1: comes to the surprising thing is a approximately half of

1991
02:01:32,880 --> 02:01:36,120
Speaker 1: the big buck stories I did were from people hunting

1992
02:01:36,400 --> 02:01:39,840
Speaker 1: public ground or what may as well be public ground

1993
02:01:39,920 --> 02:01:43,800
Speaker 1: because their uncle tent lets everybody in anybody into hunt.

1994
02:01:44,880 --> 02:01:47,960
Speaker 1: And the thing that I found so fascinating about those

1995
02:01:48,640 --> 02:01:51,560
Speaker 1: is the overwhelming majority of bucks that are killed in

1996
02:01:51,640 --> 02:01:54,960
Speaker 1: those scenarios are killed by kids and first time hunters

1997
02:01:54,960 --> 02:01:58,040
Speaker 1: because they don't know any damn better. Now, they end

1998
02:01:58,120 --> 02:02:00,400
Speaker 1: up going places that you and I aren't and mark

1999
02:02:00,400 --> 02:02:04,120
Speaker 1: because we're too darn But how does a buck actually

2000
02:02:04,240 --> 02:02:06,720
Speaker 1: get to be five and a half six and a

2001
02:02:06,800 --> 02:02:10,360
Speaker 1: half years old in this scenario like that? Well, they

2002
02:02:10,400 --> 02:02:12,120
Speaker 1: get to be that old by not doing what they're

2003
02:02:12,160 --> 02:02:15,040
Speaker 1: supposed to do, and we actually get to be too

2004
02:02:15,120 --> 02:02:16,880
Speaker 1: darn smart to be able to shoot them, If that

2005
02:02:16,920 --> 02:02:20,400
Speaker 1: makes any sense. I think we we often chase our

2006
02:02:20,440 --> 02:02:25,640
Speaker 1: tails right into uh tag sandwiches oftentimes. Oh you darn right,

2007
02:02:26,360 --> 02:02:30,520
Speaker 1: that is the truth. Well, Steve, as always, this was

2008
02:02:30,880 --> 02:02:35,840
Speaker 1: this is a blast. I'm sufficiently more excited than I

2009
02:02:35,880 --> 02:02:38,160
Speaker 1: thought even could be, and ready to get going on

2010
02:02:38,240 --> 02:02:41,600
Speaker 1: stout scouting some new public land last night. Got eyes

2011
02:02:41,640 --> 02:02:44,720
Speaker 1: on a couple of shooters, so I've got all sorts

2012
02:02:44,720 --> 02:02:48,360
Speaker 1: of excitement roiling within me right now. Um, for people

2013
02:02:48,400 --> 02:02:50,200
Speaker 1: that want to learn more from me, who enjoyed this,

2014
02:02:50,240 --> 02:02:52,440
Speaker 1: who want to get more from you. I know you've

2015
02:02:52,480 --> 02:02:54,040
Speaker 1: got a lot of things out there. Where can they

2016
02:02:54,040 --> 02:02:56,760
Speaker 1: go to to see what you're up to right now?

2017
02:02:56,880 --> 02:02:59,320
Speaker 1: To get your books or your videos or your articles

2018
02:02:59,400 --> 02:03:02,680
Speaker 1: or anything like that. I'll be brually honest with you.

2019
02:03:03,120 --> 02:03:06,640
Speaker 1: And this is gonna sound so cheesy, but hopefully you

2020
02:03:06,640 --> 02:03:08,840
Speaker 1: know me well enough know that I actually am the

2021
02:03:08,920 --> 02:03:14,800
Speaker 1: cheeseball with is me? Um, I'm if you don't mind

2022
02:03:14,840 --> 02:03:19,720
Speaker 1: for a second, I'm some kid raised by a divorce

2023
02:03:19,840 --> 02:03:23,400
Speaker 1: mother from northern Wisconsin whose home room teacher but his

2024
02:03:23,480 --> 02:03:29,000
Speaker 1: wrestling coach twenty bucks, wouldn't even graduate high school. I'm

2025
02:03:29,040 --> 02:03:33,040
Speaker 1: not supposed to be here. I had no idea how

2026
02:03:33,080 --> 02:03:35,280
Speaker 1: tough this was supposed to be to break into this

2027
02:03:35,320 --> 02:03:38,920
Speaker 1: field or any of this stuff. And I sure didn't

2028
02:03:38,960 --> 02:03:44,040
Speaker 1: do it because I am so unbelievably smart. I did

2029
02:03:44,080 --> 02:03:46,640
Speaker 1: it because so many the people that are listening to

2030
02:03:46,680 --> 02:03:49,040
Speaker 1: this stuff when I had them, threw me on their

2031
02:03:49,080 --> 02:03:54,920
Speaker 1: shoulders and carried me to the dance. I am extremely

2032
02:03:55,360 --> 02:03:59,440
Speaker 1: lucky in that I've been able to I don't even

2033
02:03:59,520 --> 02:04:04,200
Speaker 1: live my am dream o heay beyond the wildest dreams

2034
02:04:04,240 --> 02:04:08,480
Speaker 1: I've had. I'm as we speak, I'm managing almost ten

2035
02:04:08,600 --> 02:04:12,760
Speaker 1: thousand acres of dirt. For dear, I'm not supposed to

2036
02:04:12,760 --> 02:04:16,840
Speaker 1: do that, Okay. The only reason I'm doing this is

2037
02:04:16,880 --> 02:04:20,560
Speaker 1: because so many of the people that are listening empowered

2038
02:04:20,560 --> 02:04:24,200
Speaker 1: me to do this. So I'm finally at a point

2039
02:04:24,240 --> 02:04:25,760
Speaker 1: in my career that I don't need to make a

2040
02:04:25,800 --> 02:04:29,840
Speaker 1: lot of money anymore. And I don't need to I mean,

2041
02:04:29,880 --> 02:04:32,960
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong. I'm in solid middle class as anybody,

2042
02:04:32,960 --> 02:04:35,080
Speaker 1: and it will never be more than that, but I'm

2043
02:04:35,120 --> 02:04:40,640
Speaker 1: in a position where I'm going to remain solidly middle class.

2044
02:04:42,200 --> 02:04:44,240
Speaker 1: I'm trying to do. What I'm trying to do these

2045
02:04:44,320 --> 02:04:46,400
Speaker 1: days is to give away as much stuff of this

2046
02:04:46,600 --> 02:04:50,560
Speaker 1: that I can for free as I possibly can. Um

2047
02:04:50,600 --> 02:04:57,480
Speaker 1: every weekday on Facebook Steve Bartella Outdoors, I'm doing a

2048
02:04:57,520 --> 02:05:03,080
Speaker 1: free post um that is. I mean, jeez, I went ahead.

2049
02:05:03,240 --> 02:05:06,240
Speaker 1: Last year I wrote an entire book, one chapter a

2050
02:05:06,360 --> 02:05:10,360
Speaker 1: day on Facebook. And don't get me wrong, I'm not

2051
02:05:10,400 --> 02:05:12,640
Speaker 1: a huge fan of Facebook in any way, shape or form.

2052
02:05:12,800 --> 02:05:15,600
Speaker 1: The guy gets on my nervous to the max, but

2053
02:05:16,480 --> 02:05:20,840
Speaker 1: it is a tremendous platform to share stuff for free.

2054
02:05:21,840 --> 02:05:24,080
Speaker 1: And that's really what I'm doing now. I'm trying to

2055
02:05:24,480 --> 02:05:28,440
Speaker 1: I'm on a essentially a thank you to her. I'm

2056
02:05:28,480 --> 02:05:34,920
Speaker 1: trying to say thanks to everybody. I simply put Mark,

2057
02:05:35,000 --> 02:05:38,480
Speaker 1: I can't believe that I've lived lived this life and

2058
02:05:38,720 --> 02:05:41,320
Speaker 1: it hasn't been me. It's been the people that are listening.

2059
02:05:41,320 --> 02:05:43,000
Speaker 1: And I'm trying to say thanks. And I'm in a

2060
02:05:43,040 --> 02:05:46,080
Speaker 1: position where I can, so I'm just giving out. I

2061
02:05:46,320 --> 02:05:49,560
Speaker 1: am doing a whole bunch of work for Deer and

2062
02:05:49,600 --> 02:05:54,160
Speaker 1: Deer Hunting. Um. They went ahead and converted the growing, big,

2063
02:05:54,240 --> 02:05:58,480
Speaker 1: t grown, big online show I've done for six years

2064
02:05:58,520 --> 02:06:02,400
Speaker 1: now into a television show. UM. This year, I'm actually

2065
02:06:02,440 --> 02:06:05,840
Speaker 1: going to uh this year, I'm actually going to It's

2066
02:06:05,840 --> 02:06:09,440
Speaker 1: gonna be on Fresh. We're gonna break down properties on

2067
02:06:09,600 --> 02:06:12,120
Speaker 1: how to uh, how we actually set how I set

2068
02:06:12,160 --> 02:06:17,480
Speaker 1: them up. Um. But Deer and Deer Hunting Facebook page

2069
02:06:17,520 --> 02:06:20,960
Speaker 1: has a ridiculous amount of my stuff on there for free,

2070
02:06:21,520 --> 02:06:25,600
Speaker 1: and then I write exclusively for their magazine these days.

2071
02:06:26,440 --> 02:06:30,440
Speaker 1: But mostly what I'd really encourage people do is between

2072
02:06:30,560 --> 02:06:33,400
Speaker 1: YouTube and Facebook, you can get so much of my

2073
02:06:33,520 --> 02:06:37,360
Speaker 1: stuff for free it's not even funny. And I'm not

2074
02:06:37,520 --> 02:06:41,880
Speaker 1: saving anything for books. Or anything like that. I'm doing

2075
02:06:41,920 --> 02:06:44,240
Speaker 1: my best to say thanks to all those that brought

2076
02:06:44,320 --> 02:06:47,080
Speaker 1: me to the dance and made it so that the

2077
02:06:47,280 --> 02:06:50,920
Speaker 1: stupid kid from northern Wisconsin got to his literally lifted

2078
02:06:51,240 --> 02:06:54,640
Speaker 1: beyond his dream. I mean, I get paid to play

2079
02:06:54,680 --> 02:06:59,200
Speaker 1: in the damn woods month that is, that is a

2080
02:06:59,320 --> 02:07:02,480
Speaker 1: pretty earn good dream to have right there into to live.

2081
02:07:02,760 --> 02:07:07,080
Speaker 1: I'm right there with you, Steve Well. That's not lost

2082
02:07:07,160 --> 02:07:09,640
Speaker 1: on me that it was not me who brought me

2083
02:07:09,680 --> 02:07:12,480
Speaker 1: to the Well. I can tell you for for myself

2084
02:07:12,520 --> 02:07:14,800
Speaker 1: and all the other listeners, we certainly appreciate what you're

2085
02:07:14,800 --> 02:07:16,720
Speaker 1: putting out there and what you're sharing with us because

2086
02:07:16,800 --> 02:07:20,800
Speaker 1: because it's helping so so thank you for that my pleasure.

2087
02:07:20,920 --> 02:07:25,080
Speaker 1: The one thing I would say is, take from me

2088
02:07:25,200 --> 02:07:28,960
Speaker 1: and everyone else out there anything you see a value,

2089
02:07:29,000 --> 02:07:32,440
Speaker 1: and for the love of God, throw away the rest.

2090
02:07:33,320 --> 02:07:36,000
Speaker 1: If you don't think it applies to you, don't use it.

2091
02:07:36,280 --> 02:07:39,440
Speaker 1: I can promise, I guarantee right now as we speak

2092
02:07:39,520 --> 02:07:42,560
Speaker 1: something I believe five years from now I'm gonna look

2093
02:07:42,600 --> 02:07:45,600
Speaker 1: back and say, how could have I ever been so simple?

2094
02:07:46,760 --> 02:07:50,680
Speaker 1: I just don't know what it is yet we all

2095
02:07:50,720 --> 02:07:54,320
Speaker 1: are learning. None of us have all the answers. And

2096
02:07:54,400 --> 02:07:57,400
Speaker 1: even when we even if somebody does have all the answers,

2097
02:07:57,480 --> 02:08:00,680
Speaker 1: all they have are all the answers from their scenario.

2098
02:08:00,920 --> 02:08:07,360
Speaker 1: Every single scenario is different. Trust yourselves, you guys and girls.

2099
02:08:07,440 --> 02:08:11,120
Speaker 1: You're the experts on your land, not us, and certainly

2100
02:08:11,600 --> 02:08:16,080
Speaker 1: certainly not a bunch of overpaid quote unquote experts. But

2101
02:08:16,360 --> 02:08:21,160
Speaker 1: never ever, ever hunt deer remotely like you do. That's

2102
02:08:21,760 --> 02:08:24,560
Speaker 1: that's some perfect wisdom to end this one, I think, Steve,

2103
02:08:24,600 --> 02:08:27,960
Speaker 1: because you're absolutely right. You gotta take the good, leave

2104
02:08:28,000 --> 02:08:32,080
Speaker 1: the bad or irrelevant fier scenario, test it, see what

2105
02:08:32,160 --> 02:08:35,800
Speaker 1: works for you, Iterate, learn, and keep on keeping on.

2106
02:08:36,080 --> 02:08:39,640
Speaker 1: And if you do that long enough, someday we all

2107
02:08:39,720 --> 02:08:44,080
Speaker 1: might be half the deer hunter the Steve Bartila is right, No,

2108
02:08:44,240 --> 02:08:46,680
Speaker 1: you'll be pen of times do you do that sometimes,

2109
02:08:46,840 --> 02:08:50,480
Speaker 1: deer hunter? Alright, Steve, well this is great. I appreciate it,

2110
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Speaker 1: and uh, let's chat again soon. Sounds great, my man,

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Speaker 1: sounds great, And good luck to everybody out there this year.

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Speaker 1: If nothing else, please remember the most important things and

2113
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Speaker 1: all this is that you don't come home in a

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Speaker 1: body bag and that you actually have fun. Very true,

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Speaker 1: all right, and that's a rap I hope you enjoyed

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Speaker 1: this one. I I just I just really enjoyed chanting

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Speaker 1: with Steve. He's genuine, he is a real person, and

2118
02:09:22,360 --> 02:09:25,200
Speaker 1: he throws a lot of great information out there for

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Speaker 1: all of us to to take in and enjoy. And

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Speaker 1: he's very generous with that. So make sure you check

2121
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Speaker 1: out what he's got going on. He didn't plug him,

2122
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Speaker 1: but I will plug his books for him. He's got

2123
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Speaker 1: some great books. Big Buck Secrets is when I'm like,

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Speaker 1: in particular, I'm actually rereading that right now. UM check

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Speaker 1: them all out and until next time, thank you, and

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Speaker 1: stay wired to hunt.