WEBVTT - Imprisoned Lives w/ Agatha Nowicki

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<v Speaker 1>Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.

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<v Speaker 2>We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the

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<v Speaker 2>vicious felonies.

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<v Speaker 3>These episodes are based on. These are our stories done Dune.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, that's a Seinfeld reference. This is That's messed up

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<v Speaker 2>an SVU podcast. My name is Lisa Trigger.

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<v Speaker 3>Hi.

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, my name is Kara Klink. Hi, Lisa Trigger. You

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<v Speaker 1>know what we do on this pod? You guys, we

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<v Speaker 1>are going to go through an episode of SVU. We're

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<v Speaker 1>going to talk about the true grumbas based on and

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to interview some super talented person from the episode.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm so excited for today's episode. Oh yeah, we

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<v Speaker 1>have an awesome interview today. And before we start that,

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<v Speaker 1>I just like to find out what's going on on

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<v Speaker 1>with Lisa. You know, same old, same old, just suitcase

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<v Speaker 1>hotels out and about trying to control my life.

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<v Speaker 3>But I can't stop.

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<v Speaker 2>I am really excited because carl I stopped watching Project

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<v Speaker 2>Runway when Carli Kloss became the host, and now she

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<v Speaker 2>has gone and there's a new season of Project Runway

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<v Speaker 2>and I feel blessed beyond.

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<v Speaker 3>Belief and there's just no model now.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no host, so like Brandon Maxwell is the lead

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<v Speaker 2>judge slash host, and Christian Siriano is such an involved

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<v Speaker 2>mentor in the workroom. And I like all the people.

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<v Speaker 1>And there was a lot of drama in the second episode,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm just happy to have Wait, so can I

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<v Speaker 1>just ask Christian is like the Tim Gunn now, but

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<v Speaker 1>Tim Gunn never sat in on the judging. Does Christian

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<v Speaker 1>sit in on the judging? No he doesn't, Okay, got it? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>totally Tim Gunn, same vibes, got it.

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<v Speaker 3>I love Tim Gunn. What do you think he up to?

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<v Speaker 2>Hopefully teaching, still inspiring people, working on a set, styling,

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<v Speaker 2>writing a book, making money, retired, whatever he wants.

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<v Speaker 3>Honestly, let's head to mood. I love him. I like

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<v Speaker 3>the Red Lobster.

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<v Speaker 2>It's wild that Santino was a judge on Drag Race

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<v Speaker 2>early seasons.

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<v Speaker 1>Santino is terrible. Wait, what do you mean Santino tells

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<v Speaker 1>people not to get the vaccine. Santino is a nutball.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, do not get the vaccine?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, but he was.

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<v Speaker 2>They got rid of him on drag Race well before

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<v Speaker 2>vaccine chats right, Sure, I'm talking about nowadays.

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<v Speaker 3>Santina is a bad person.

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<v Speaker 2>He was not that good of a person during his

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<v Speaker 2>season either. He was known as the asshole. Talented but

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<v Speaker 2>an asshole.

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<v Speaker 3>Isn't he?

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<v Speaker 1>What like you and your no no drag knowledge to

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<v Speaker 1>have an ass is not like about him? Like yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it is wild. He was a judge on that show

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<v Speaker 1>and for a while.

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<v Speaker 2>But a lot of people, I mean Carson and Ross

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<v Speaker 2>don't know drag, right, they don't do drag.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't do it, but they're gay. They're part of

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<v Speaker 1>the community. I mean, he's fashion, but he's not gay,

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<v Speaker 1>you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, I don't know why did ru choose him? Like

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm trying to figure out, Like.

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<v Speaker 3>What I don't know. I guess because of the fashion

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<v Speaker 3>part of it.

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<v Speaker 1>He was supposed to look at like their fashions and

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<v Speaker 1>be like, you know, and he would tell them that

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<v Speaker 1>they look like hookers or something, right, didn't he always

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<v Speaker 1>like use the wrong words.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, But I I just love skilled competition

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<v Speaker 2>reality shows and Bravo Excels and Drag Race of course,

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<v Speaker 2>but like I love when people have a passion and

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<v Speaker 2>they're exhibiting their inspiration and skills and competing and funny.

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<v Speaker 3>I just like, oh.

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<v Speaker 1>God, yeah, I think that I've always gravitated more towards

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<v Speaker 1>skill based reality. Except for my housewives. None of them

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<v Speaker 1>have many skills. Oh they got a skill. They have skills.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of them do to irritate my fucking heart and

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<v Speaker 2>brain and nervous stum.

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<v Speaker 3>I know that you are. You do watch Atlanta? Did

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<v Speaker 3>you hear? I heard today?

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't know if it's real that Marlow is

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<v Speaker 1>becoming a cast member.

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<v Speaker 3>I would be thrilled Marlow's getting a peach baby.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope Marlow gets a peach, and I hope Dere

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<v Speaker 2>you know, gets eaten by a shark that Marlow catches.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, that's what I That's what I believe.

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<v Speaker 2>The way she talked to Garcel, she has not she

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<v Speaker 2>has not yelled at another housewipe the way she yelled

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<v Speaker 2>at Garcel.

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<v Speaker 3>That bitch is not for me, but Lisa.

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<v Speaker 1>Her children are exposed to people of brown and black

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<v Speaker 1>skin color all the time, and they're in the employ

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<v Speaker 1>of the Pique family. She's terrible. I've always hated to eat.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why she's there. I don't even think.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, And now we have to look at

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<v Speaker 1>her one hundred and thirty thousand dollars wedding dresses or whatever. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was a thirty five thousand dollars wedding

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<v Speaker 1>dress that she was selling. I do have to say this.

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<v Speaker 2>My cousin did have a thirty thousand dollars wedding dress

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<v Speaker 2>by Derate.

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<v Speaker 3>No.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, well there we go by Panina Tornay custuff. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a penina. It was aad I yeah. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's so funny how the wedding world has like

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<v Speaker 1>its own full like celebrity fashion, Like like the designers

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<v Speaker 1>of wedding dresses are just like, oh, it's a Pinina.

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<v Speaker 1>Like nobody that hasn't gotten married has heard of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Like that's never on like in Vogue, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean?

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<v Speaker 3>Like yeah, or like I'm Sally, or I'm Solid, I'm Salah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, even I'm Sala in my closet right now. Its

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<v Speaker 1>aid a bridesmaid's dress.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow. No, I didn't pay for it. That was actually

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<v Speaker 3>a friend of mine.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a friend of mine who had me as

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<v Speaker 1>a bridesmaid when I was like a new I was

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<v Speaker 1>like a new comic, and she was like, I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>gonna pay for your dress. All my other bridesmaids like

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<v Speaker 1>have lucrative jobs. This is a drop in the bucket

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<v Speaker 1>compared to like a wedding. I'm just going to pay

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<v Speaker 1>for it for you. And I was like, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>to argue. Thank you, Like, are you guys still friends?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, my daughter Marty, you've met her? Okay, great? Thank

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<v Speaker 3>Mary for Chicago. That wedding was in Chicago. My god,

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<v Speaker 3>the one with eight hundred kids going to the aquarium. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>that's Marty.

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<v Speaker 1>She took my child and her four child children to

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<v Speaker 1>the aquarium by herself. She's a psycho. Beautiful home though. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>they just sold it. They just sold it. They moved

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere else, but they're still in Chicago. So we'll see

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<v Speaker 1>it next time we go to Chicago. We'll see what

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<v Speaker 1>the new helm is.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I'm glad she paid for it.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if I've talked about this already, but

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<v Speaker 2>when I got to wear a Jessica McClintock dressed to

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<v Speaker 2>my sister's wedding when I was in sixth grade, that

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<v Speaker 2>really meant a lot to me.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you know that was my senior prom dress?

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<v Speaker 1>Was it?

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<v Speaker 3>Jessica mcclintalk. I could have guessed.

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<v Speaker 1>If I had three guesses, I could have guessed because

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<v Speaker 1>I loved her.

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<v Speaker 3>I loved her too.

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<v Speaker 1>This dress is so insane. I'm going to put it

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<v Speaker 1>on the Instagram. You guys are going to see my

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<v Speaker 1>brother dress, and you got to put up your Jessica

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<v Speaker 1>m'clintalk from your sisters. We're doing a Jessica m'clintalk parasite.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a great idea. Oh my god, I can't wait.

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<v Speaker 3>I love a TV. But why did she go under?

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<v Speaker 3>It's so weird. She meant so much to me. Oh,

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<v Speaker 3>it's it doesn't exist anymore, not in the same capacity.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think, like, I don't have you seen When

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<v Speaker 2>was the last time you heard of a Jessica McClintock.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I don't go to prom anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I didn't think that anybody besides like high

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<v Speaker 1>school girls wore Jessica mcclintok.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, you don't think it was also Brides made Heavy?

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<v Speaker 1>No, I not that I thought of interesting interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>But maybe I could be wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>I used to read ym and seventeen and like when

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<v Speaker 1>prom was coming up, that was like ev like multiple spread,

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<v Speaker 1>like page spread for Jessica mcclintalk.

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<v Speaker 3>I was a teen People girl. Ooh that was my favorite.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh man, I was Mademoiselle. Were you Mademoiselle?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>And I also liked Sassy.

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<v Speaker 1>But one time I got Sassy and the cover said

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<v Speaker 1>chicks with Sticks. It was about girl drummers, and my

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<v Speaker 1>mom thought that was like a little bit much and

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<v Speaker 1>said that I couldn't read that magazine anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>They were cheeky. But did you even get the cheekiness? Yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't think. I was like, yeah, I didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't think I was gonna get some kind of

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<v Speaker 1>pornographic penis material at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I miss magazine culture. I'll get a Vanity.

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<v Speaker 3>Fair here and there.

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<v Speaker 1>But I subscribed to Vanity Fair. But that's just because

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<v Speaker 1>it was like eight dollars for a full year. Because

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<v Speaker 1>they were all like the magazine industry is dying so

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<v Speaker 1>hard that they want they'll do anything for you, I know.

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<v Speaker 3>But Vanity Fair is good, like they're so good.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it's just everything changed because I used to

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<v Speaker 2>love US Weekly and stuff, but like we have Instagram,

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<v Speaker 2>there's just like those don't really translate.

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<v Speaker 1>I like those when I'm getting my nails done if

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<v Speaker 1>they have it, yeah, you know, but like I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>buying it anymore because we have Instagram. Also, I got

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<v Speaker 1>really annoyed at people when they like put after one

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<v Speaker 1>of their reporters claimed that Donald Trump assaulted her, they

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<v Speaker 1>put him like on their cover two weeks later, and

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<v Speaker 1>that made me really annoyed, and I was kind of like,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I'm done with people, but I dabble.

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<v Speaker 3>If it's at the nail salon.

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<v Speaker 2>Well now because of COVID, that's another thing. There are

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<v Speaker 2>no magazines at the nail sae.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why. Oh wow, I forgot. Yeah, realize, No.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes things happen and you're like, why not that, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, oh yeah the pandemic.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yes, I forget. All right, let's truly forget about it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>let's get going to today's episode. It's another goodie and

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<v Speaker 1>we just we can't wait to get going, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Today's episode is Imprisoned Lives. It is season fifteen, episode

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<v Speaker 1>two on Hulu. They have this as one episode, so

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<v Speaker 1>if you are starting to watch this, it starts halfway

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<v Speaker 1>through the Hulu episode at about the forty two minute

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<v Speaker 1>and forty one second mark.

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<v Speaker 3>Just an FYI to you guys.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's like it's not just only like, oh, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of another episode. Bada bing bada boom.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like the worst episode of all time. It's Marishka

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<v Speaker 2>and fucking William Lewis.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's also like, get this. You cannot force this

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<v Speaker 1>on me. Yeah, they should be separated. Hulu needs to

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<v Speaker 1>stop what they're doing. These are separate episodes on other platforms,

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<v Speaker 1>they are separate. So it is the second episode of

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<v Speaker 1>season fifteen, but it is the second part of the

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<v Speaker 1>two parter, and the first part is Olivia escaping from

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<v Speaker 1>the clutches of the evil William Lewis played by Pablo Sharper,

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<v Speaker 1>who everybody says is hot, but I truly I cannot

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<v Speaker 1>see his hotness because of pornstash on Orange Is and

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<v Speaker 1>New Black and William Lewis on this show. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>I when I look at his Instagram, I'm like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I do see an attractive man there, but I just

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<v Speaker 1>like I can't get it going for him because of

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<v Speaker 1>the horrible characters he's played.

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<v Speaker 2>No, and maybe if it was one horrible character, but

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<v Speaker 2>to that whor, it's like, bro get away from me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I mean wildly, he probably doesn't give a

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<v Speaker 1>shit because he probably has a super hot wife. But

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<v Speaker 1>I think he should know that it's hard for me

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<v Speaker 1>to find him attractive. But we basically this episode opens

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<v Speaker 1>with a two two months later card at the bottom

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<v Speaker 1>and we see Olivia returning to her trashed apartment. We

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<v Speaker 1>see a chair knocked over with like duct tape tied

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<v Speaker 1>to it. The place has just been totally like fucked up,

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<v Speaker 1>And this is like one of those things that I

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<v Speaker 1>think the show kind of touches on about being a

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<v Speaker 1>victim of a crime like this that you don't see

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<v Speaker 1>in like other movies in media, Like, yeah, if you

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<v Speaker 1>get attacked in your apartment, like you have to go

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<v Speaker 1>back to your apartment, the police don't clean it up

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<v Speaker 1>for you after they come and like dust it for

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<v Speaker 1>prints and like take everything apart or like whatever that

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<v Speaker 1>like there's blood.

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<v Speaker 3>On the carpet.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I just think it's a very interesting thing that

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<v Speaker 1>they touch on, and like a lot of women that

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<v Speaker 1>are assaulted don't have the option to just be like

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<v Speaker 1>and then I just got a new apartment because I

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't go back there, you know, Like that's not an

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<v Speaker 1>option for a lot of people. So it's really fucked

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<v Speaker 1>up if you are assaulted in your home, like how

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<v Speaker 1>you have to deal with that. I just was was

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<v Speaker 1>making me think of that when I saw the horrors

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<v Speaker 1>that Olivia was walking in on. And you can tell

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<v Speaker 1>she's taken a by walking in there, like she has

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<v Speaker 1>not walked in there since the incident, and she's having

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<v Speaker 1>full flashbacks of what happened. We see Cassidy is with her,

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<v Speaker 1>He's trying to help her, but she's very like, I

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<v Speaker 1>got it, I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Fine, I'm fine.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we cut to her being like I'm fine,

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<v Speaker 1>straight to her in a self defense type workout class,

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<v Speaker 1>like and it really makes me miss working out in

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<v Speaker 1>a class with people. I mean, not in a self

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<v Speaker 1>defense class, but you know, I really like boxing in

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<v Speaker 1>zoomba and group activities and I'm not doing that right

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<v Speaker 1>now with the pandemic. And now then we're in her

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<v Speaker 1>therapist's office. Who is doctor Peter Lindstrom played by Bill Irwin.

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<v Speaker 1>And we've talked about him before, but I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>we've touched on his background this actor. I looked him

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<v Speaker 1>up and he is a Tony Award winner for Who's

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<v Speaker 1>Afraid Of Virginia Wolf on Broadway. He's also mister Noodle

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<v Speaker 1>on Sesame Street on Elmo's World. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>we ever touched on that, but.

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<v Speaker 2>I would have maybe put some respect on his name

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<v Speaker 2>if I knew he had a tony.

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<v Speaker 3>I've been very How are you disrespectful to this guy?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Bro has a tony and Bro is one of

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<v Speaker 1>Elmo's tight tight homies. So liv is telling doctor Lindstrom

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<v Speaker 1>how she is really angry. And I don't think we've

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<v Speaker 1>seen Olivia before, William Lewis, I don't think we've seen

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<v Speaker 1>Olivia in therapy besides the Slaves episode where she's.

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<v Speaker 3>Getting like mandated therapy from the department.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, this is the first time we see her in

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<v Speaker 1>like a therapeutic situation.

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<v Speaker 2>So she's telling me, what about after the jail rape moment?

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<v Speaker 3>Did she have did she go to therapy? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm asking, Yeah, I don't. I don't remember a therapist.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean they've yeah, like she's also been evaluated

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<v Speaker 1>by Mary Stewart Masterson. There's been like little adjacent things,

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<v Speaker 1>but this is the first time I feel like we

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<v Speaker 1>see her in serious therapy and she's telling doctor Lindstrom

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<v Speaker 1>how she's really angry that Lewis should have been caught

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<v Speaker 1>and then his victims wouldn't have been raped.

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<v Speaker 3>And then he's like, and.

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<v Speaker 1>How you were raped, and she's like, I wasn't raped,

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<v Speaker 1>just assaulted, just badly assaulted.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think we do get the sense that she wasn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually I used to think it was very ambiguous, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's clear she wasn't raped by him, just

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<v Speaker 1>assaulted horribly. And he's trying to get her to drop

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<v Speaker 1>the tough gal act and admit that something very traumatic

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<v Speaker 1>happened to her and that it's okay to not be okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and she's, you know, she's just talking about how her

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<v Speaker 1>apartment is so dark. She went back there, she realized

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<v Speaker 1>that she hasn't really thrived there, and she thinks she's

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<v Speaker 1>ready to go back to work.

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<v Speaker 3>She's taking pages from Maloney. She's like, let me back

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<v Speaker 3>at work.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. The doctor asks if SVU is the best

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<v Speaker 1>place for her at the moment, and he's like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you're reevaluating your relationship with your home and your relationship

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<v Speaker 1>with your person, and it would make sense to look

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<v Speaker 1>at your job too, And he asks, have you given

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<v Speaker 1>any thought to the toll that this job takes on you.

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<v Speaker 1>And she's like, not for a second. He doesn't get

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<v Speaker 1>to take that from me. So it's really serious. Like

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<v Speaker 1>nobody takes SVU away from Olivia, and she said the

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<v Speaker 1>thought of leaving SVU doesn't scare her. What scares her

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<v Speaker 1>is walking back into the squad and everyone looking at

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<v Speaker 1>her and wondering if she's okay. I deeply relate to this.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like so many times I like cry over

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<v Speaker 1>things where I'm just like people are looking at me,

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<v Speaker 1>people are asking about me, and I just want everyone

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<v Speaker 1>to ignore me right now or something.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you know that you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Like to me, the eyes of other people makes it more,

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<v Speaker 1>It makes it worse than the actual thing that happened.

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<v Speaker 3>So I relate.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we cut to that moment where she is

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<v Speaker 1>walking back into the squad room and everyone is staring

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<v Speaker 1>at her and they got her Bodega flowers and like

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<v Speaker 1>a grocery store balloon. I wanted more. I feel like,

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<v Speaker 1>you guys could have done better. Yeah, they don't have taste,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they're yeah, but like a florist, it feels

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<v Speaker 1>like one of them was like quick go on the

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<v Speaker 1>corner while you're getting your coffee and grab her a

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<v Speaker 1>cup of like Wilting Carnations, Like but you know.

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<v Speaker 2>No, but I think now maybe they're smart. What season

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<v Speaker 2>is no, this is fifteen. Yeah, it's weird that they

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have a florist in town down the block, Like

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<v Speaker 2>people are getting shot at all the time? Aren't they

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<v Speaker 2>sending flowers often?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Or is everyone constantly her? I don't know. They do

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<v Speaker 3>seem clueless here.

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<v Speaker 2>I also was very moved when she was like, he's

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<v Speaker 2>not taking my job away, because I feel that happens

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes like that. It's like an easy solution if something

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<v Speaker 2>bad's happening. It's like why don't you just quit your

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<v Speaker 2>job or like don't go online?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, like literally, it's kind of what just happened on

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<v Speaker 1>the current season of SVU with Kat, Like they had

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<v Speaker 1>her character do something that I mean, we can talk

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<v Speaker 1>about it more in depth another time, but like they

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<v Speaker 1>had Kat be like I don't think I can handle

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<v Speaker 1>le s VU anymore after she gets shot, and it's like, what,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not your character at all. Your character is the

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<v Speaker 1>kind of person that would be completely like nothing's going

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<v Speaker 1>to take this away from me, you know, and she

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<v Speaker 1>instead is like this is maybe too much for me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go do something else. And because she gets shot,

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<v Speaker 1>so you're right, it does happen. I think these are

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<v Speaker 1>two different things. Well, what are you saying because he

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<v Speaker 1>made that decision.

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<v Speaker 2>I just feel I was reminded, like someone was talking

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<v Speaker 2>about being harassed online all the time, and someone was like,

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<v Speaker 2>just get off the internet, and it's like, what the

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<v Speaker 2>fuck what are you talking about. I can't be online

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<v Speaker 2>because of that, or it's like I can't go to

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<v Speaker 2>my job because this motherfucker.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like that's not an actual solution, right, that's why.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I'm saying with the cat thing that they

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<v Speaker 1>made that the solution, and I don't think that that

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<v Speaker 1>was the right move.

0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:26.920
<v Speaker 2>But she made her own solution. I mean the writers,

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<v Speaker 2>but like in she made her own.

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<v Speaker 3>It wasn't like Benson going, I don't know, you should

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<v Speaker 3>probably get out of here. You're right, she just had

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<v Speaker 3>this girlfriend. She was like, fuck this, I don't want

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<v Speaker 3>to get shot at. I just want to kind of

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<v Speaker 3>like solve chiller crimes.

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<v Speaker 1>That doesn't seem very cat like to me, But I

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<v Speaker 1>understand a person saying no, You're.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, it didn't seem like her she wanted to save people.

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<v Speaker 3>She did.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Anyway, in the squad room, like Olivia's like what

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<v Speaker 1>no cake, like trying to make a joke.

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<v Speaker 3>And Rollins's like, oh, we're going to get you cupcakes.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's like it's just very awkward, like no one

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<v Speaker 1>knows how to talk to her because she's like, they're big,

0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:06.520
<v Speaker 1>strong Benson who's had this horrific thing happened to her,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think no one.

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<v Speaker 3>Knows how to like look at her or deal with her.

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<v Speaker 1>So Craigan's like, welcome back, Detective Benson, and we're off.

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<v Speaker 1>And now we're in Times Square and there's a big

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<v Speaker 1>purple mascot named Momo who's invented. It's like a guy

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<v Speaker 1>in a costume, the way that at Times Square it's

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<v Speaker 1>usually like fucking cookie monster and a minion or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>And this just reminded me of the Momo Challenge.

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<v Speaker 1>You remember this, Lisa, where there was like people thought

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<v Speaker 1>that there's this like creepy drawing called Momo, and they

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<v Speaker 1>were like, if your kid sees Momo on the internet,

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<v Speaker 1>they'll kill themselves. It was like a full hoax on

0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:40.480
<v Speaker 1>the internet. But like adults were believing it. They were like,

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<v Speaker 1>don't look at Momo videos and it's like it wasn't real.

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<v Speaker 3>She is scary though.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the drawing of it is very creepy pasta, it's

0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:53.760
<v Speaker 1>very slender Man adjacent. Creepy, yeah, for sure, but alas

0:18:53.800 --> 0:18:57.159
<v Speaker 1>it's not making people do anything to themselves. So this

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<v Speaker 1>little kid named Buddy runs away from his dad and

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<v Speaker 1>was running towards Momo.

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<v Speaker 3>He's like Momo and the dad's like, Buddy, come back.

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<v Speaker 1>Here, and he's hugging Momo and he's so happy to

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<v Speaker 1>see him, and he like won't let go of him,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the dad runs up to get Buddy and

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<v Speaker 1>Momo's like trying to sell him on a picture, like

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<v Speaker 1>one pick for ten dollars, five dollars for the kid,

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<v Speaker 1>like whatever, and the guy pushes Momo the dad and

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<v Speaker 1>there's like a whole scuffle starting and a cop runs

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<v Speaker 1>up to break it up, and where's dad? The dad

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<v Speaker 1>has disappeared, and Buddy's like paw paw, but like the

0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:28.200
<v Speaker 1>dad has fully taken off, and the.

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<v Speaker 2>Dad had gross vibes, very aggressive baseball cat.

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<v Speaker 3>I you know, I don't like it. I don't like it. Yeah, yeah.

0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:37.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's like, yeah, don't push a mascot for no

0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:40.920
<v Speaker 1>reason like it was, And then I assume that's where

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<v Speaker 1>the credits would go, but this is a two parter,

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<v Speaker 1>so they don't give us two credits. So then at

0:19:45.760 --> 0:19:48.679
<v Speaker 1>the squad room, liv is sitting across from Amorrow and

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<v Speaker 1>she's kind of like twirling her hair in her fingers.

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<v Speaker 1>And we have seen earlier in a flashback that she

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<v Speaker 1>cut off all her hair after the William Lewis thing,

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<v Speaker 1>so she's got a very short not like back in

0:20:00.520 --> 0:20:03.399
<v Speaker 1>her sort of like pixie cut days, but it's like

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<v Speaker 1>a long bob kind of.

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<v Speaker 3>It's shorter.

0:20:05.680 --> 0:20:11.400
<v Speaker 1>It's very season five Carrie bradshaw I would say, yeah, okay, yes, yes,

0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:12.959
<v Speaker 1>but she has it short. It's just right to her

0:20:13.080 --> 0:20:16.960
<v Speaker 1>chin basically, and she's just like twirling her hair and

0:20:17.000 --> 0:20:20.040
<v Speaker 1>Mamorrow's looking at her. And this isn't like a new me,

0:20:20.160 --> 0:20:22.399
<v Speaker 1>new look situation, Like she definitely cut her hair in

0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:25.119
<v Speaker 1>a traumatic way and Tomorrow's staring at her and she's like,

0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:28.439
<v Speaker 1>you don't like my new haircut, and then he's like sorry,

0:20:28.560 --> 0:20:30.280
<v Speaker 1>like it's more of the whole We don't know how

0:20:30.320 --> 0:20:31.480
<v Speaker 1>to deal with Olivia cu I know.

0:20:31.680 --> 0:20:34.040
<v Speaker 2>But he goes, it'll grow back, and it's like, you

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<v Speaker 2>say you like the haircut? Yeah, what the fuck is

0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:37.879
<v Speaker 2>wrong with you?

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<v Speaker 3>Bro? And then she.

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<v Speaker 1>Goes, you're not wearing your ring and it's like, well,

0:20:41.800 --> 0:20:43.440
<v Speaker 1>now we know why you don't even have a compliment

0:20:43.440 --> 0:20:46.960
<v Speaker 1>a woman, you dumb ass. So that divorce was obviously

0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:49.000
<v Speaker 1>a long time coming. I don't think we ever saw

0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:51.560
<v Speaker 1>like one moment of happiness with Tomorrow and his wife.

0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:55.959
<v Speaker 1>And then Craigan kind of interrupts their conversation to come

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<v Speaker 1>out and be like, we got a lost kid in

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<v Speaker 1>Times Square, and Benson's like they're being all apprehensive about

0:21:01.400 --> 0:21:04.240
<v Speaker 1>letting Benson get out into the work, like into the field,

0:21:04.359 --> 0:21:06.680
<v Speaker 1>and she's like, let me take it. It's a lost

0:21:06.760 --> 0:21:08.480
<v Speaker 1>kid in Times Square? How bad could this be?

0:21:09.560 --> 0:21:10.560
<v Speaker 3>Famous last words?

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<v Speaker 1>So they get there to Times Square, this kid won't talk.

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<v Speaker 1>Marro's talking to the guy who's inside of Momo and

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<v Speaker 1>this actually, this guy playing Momo is a very famous

0:21:23.240 --> 0:21:26.560
<v Speaker 1>puppeteer named Rick Lyon, and he not only used to

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<v Speaker 1>help operate a Big Bird on Sesame Street another Sesame

0:21:29.960 --> 0:21:32.320
<v Speaker 1>Street crossover. Because I know our audience got mad at

0:21:32.359 --> 0:21:34.960
<v Speaker 1>us because we didn't recognize one guy from Crossover from

0:21:35.040 --> 0:21:37.720
<v Speaker 1>Sesame Street in signature, So we are letting you know

0:21:38.160 --> 0:21:38.960
<v Speaker 1>Sesame Street people.

0:21:39.080 --> 0:21:41.840
<v Speaker 2>I was a Barney and a Lamb shop girl, Sesame

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<v Speaker 2>and Arthur, like, Sesame Street just didn't connect to me.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, sorry, guys.

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<v Speaker 1>I watched it a little bit, but I think for

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<v Speaker 1>a while when I was a kid, I thought real

0:21:51.440 --> 0:21:53.520
<v Speaker 1>life stuff wasn't good, Like I only liked wanted to

0:21:53.560 --> 0:21:58.080
<v Speaker 1>watch cartoons. So Sesame Street's not I do love it,

0:21:58.119 --> 0:22:00.399
<v Speaker 1>but it's not like a super super important thing for me.

0:22:00.920 --> 0:22:02.800
<v Speaker 3>But what is super important to.

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<v Speaker 1>Me is that this man, rick Lyon also designed and

0:22:05.840 --> 0:22:08.359
<v Speaker 1>created all of the puppets from Avenue Q, which is

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<v Speaker 1>a musical that I am obsessed with.

0:22:10.880 --> 0:22:12.600
<v Speaker 3>I know all the music. I've seen it on.

0:22:12.800 --> 0:22:14.359
<v Speaker 1>I've saw it off Broadway, and then I think I

0:22:14.359 --> 0:22:17.040
<v Speaker 1>saw it on Broadway. I like, love, Love, Love AVENUEQ,

0:22:17.200 --> 0:22:18.880
<v Speaker 1>and this guy basically created it.

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<v Speaker 3>How did you know to look him up? Or were

0:22:21.480 --> 0:22:23.560
<v Speaker 3>you like, who's this idiot and the Momo? Or you

0:22:24.040 --> 0:22:26.359
<v Speaker 3>recognized him? I was like, who is that?

0:22:26.600 --> 0:22:26.719
<v Speaker 4>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>I first wanted to know if Momo was real, so

0:22:29.000 --> 0:22:30.960
<v Speaker 1>I googled if Momo was like a real character that

0:22:30.960 --> 0:22:33.600
<v Speaker 1>maybe I just had a blind spot, and then when

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<v Speaker 1>you look it up you see the guy playing him

0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:37.840
<v Speaker 1>is Rick Lyon, who has all these credits and is

0:22:37.880 --> 0:22:38.919
<v Speaker 1>like a famous puppeteer.

0:22:39.640 --> 0:22:41.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I got to see Avenue Q. I know it's

0:22:41.359 --> 0:22:43.760
<v Speaker 3>the hip one, right, it's hip. I want to see it.

0:22:43.840 --> 0:22:46.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean it was I saw it over ten years ago,

0:22:46.480 --> 0:22:50.080
<v Speaker 1>so like it's definitely definitely been out for a while.

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<v Speaker 3>But puppets have sex.

0:22:51.760 --> 0:22:53.720
<v Speaker 1>In it, and it's funny, like it's very funny, and

0:22:53.760 --> 0:22:55.960
<v Speaker 1>there's like a song called Everyone's a little Bit Racist,

0:22:56.119 --> 0:22:59.639
<v Speaker 1>Like there's just like it's very irreverent, very funny, and I.

0:22:59.760 --> 0:23:03.399
<v Speaker 3>Just it's this guy, I mean hip hip, Yeah, it's hip.

0:23:04.040 --> 0:23:06.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's hip if it's fifteen years old,

0:23:06.320 --> 0:23:08.000
<v Speaker 1>like Book A Mormon's still hip.

0:23:10.280 --> 0:23:12.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I would say Avenue Q is pretty hip.

0:23:12.880 --> 0:23:16.160
<v Speaker 1>And uh, he's talking to the cop. This guy anyways

0:23:16.200 --> 0:23:17.800
<v Speaker 1>got his momo hat off and he's talking to the

0:23:17.800 --> 0:23:19.560
<v Speaker 1>guy and he's like, this kid's being really weird. He

0:23:19.640 --> 0:23:21.760
<v Speaker 1>was like clinging to me like I'm weird, like like

0:23:21.800 --> 0:23:23.360
<v Speaker 1>I was real, and I'm like I don't think that

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<v Speaker 1>that's that weird.

0:23:24.160 --> 0:23:24.800
<v Speaker 3>I feel like a lot of.

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<v Speaker 1>Kids think that they're seeing Elmo in Times Square when

0:23:27.200 --> 0:23:29.520
<v Speaker 1>they see him, but I think maybe for the kid's age,

0:23:29.520 --> 0:23:31.679
<v Speaker 1>because he's like seven or eight, they're like, what's going on.

0:23:32.600 --> 0:23:35.560
<v Speaker 1>Olivia goes and works her kid magic and fully gets

0:23:35.560 --> 0:23:37.959
<v Speaker 1>Buddy to start talking, Like there's always a kid that

0:23:37.960 --> 0:23:40.400
<v Speaker 1>they're like, he doesn't talk, and then Olivia's like hi,

0:23:40.600 --> 0:23:41.639
<v Speaker 1>and the kid's like, Hi.

0:23:41.640 --> 0:23:44.119
<v Speaker 3>My name's Buddy. I'm eight years old. Like she just

0:23:44.160 --> 0:23:46.200
<v Speaker 3>really gets kids to start blabbin.

0:23:46.920 --> 0:23:49.560
<v Speaker 1>So now the detectives are back at the precinct going

0:23:49.600 --> 0:23:52.200
<v Speaker 1>over everything with Daddy Craigan. We're finding out the kid

0:23:52.240 --> 0:23:56.000
<v Speaker 1>is underweight, but otherwise he's fine. There's no missing person report,

0:23:56.040 --> 0:23:57.000
<v Speaker 1>his DNA's.

0:23:56.640 --> 0:23:57.320
<v Speaker 3>Not in the system.

0:23:57.640 --> 0:23:59.240
<v Speaker 1>But they're like, but he's seven or eight, he should

0:23:59.240 --> 0:24:01.680
<v Speaker 1>be able to tell us thing. So now we're back

0:24:01.720 --> 0:24:05.080
<v Speaker 1>to a live getting him to talk through drawing, and

0:24:05.119 --> 0:24:08.400
<v Speaker 1>he draws his family. He draws three people and it's Ma, Sissy,

0:24:08.520 --> 0:24:12.040
<v Speaker 1>and Auntie okay, and then she's like, well, who's this

0:24:12.680 --> 0:24:15.600
<v Speaker 1>and he gets scared talking about Paw and he's like,

0:24:15.720 --> 0:24:18.440
<v Speaker 1>Paw lives with us at house sometimes, but he goes

0:24:18.520 --> 0:24:22.440
<v Speaker 1>sometimes and he starts he's talking in very clipped language,

0:24:22.480 --> 0:24:24.880
<v Speaker 1>like he's like, don't ask. Be quiet, then he won't

0:24:24.880 --> 0:24:26.679
<v Speaker 1>be mad. If you're quiet, you get ice cream or

0:24:26.680 --> 0:24:29.240
<v Speaker 1>you get to go out. And he tells them about

0:24:29.240 --> 0:24:31.679
<v Speaker 1>counting and counting all the cracks and counting all the

0:24:31.720 --> 0:24:35.920
<v Speaker 1>train stops, and so basically Olivia gets like a little

0:24:36.000 --> 0:24:37.760
<v Speaker 1>light bulb moment where she's like, I bet we could

0:24:37.760 --> 0:24:40.560
<v Speaker 1>count exactly to where this kid came from. So we're

0:24:40.600 --> 0:24:42.560
<v Speaker 1>now at green Point at the Pulaski Bridge.

0:24:43.000 --> 0:24:45.520
<v Speaker 3>I know it well. I've walked that bridge. I've walked

0:24:45.520 --> 0:24:48.440
<v Speaker 3>the bridge, I rode the bridge, I biked age the bridge.

0:24:48.480 --> 0:24:51.040
<v Speaker 3>I've driven across that bridge a thousand times. I've walked

0:24:51.040 --> 0:24:54.360
<v Speaker 3>there from the creek in the cave. I've definitely walked.

0:24:54.240 --> 0:24:58.800
<v Speaker 1>That bridge many a time. And he is pointing out

0:24:58.840 --> 0:25:00.800
<v Speaker 1>all the stuff he remembers. If this is real, it

0:25:00.800 --> 0:25:02.439
<v Speaker 1>seems like TV magic to me. I don't think that

0:25:02.480 --> 0:25:04.480
<v Speaker 1>many kids would be like that place. And then it's

0:25:04.480 --> 0:25:07.680
<v Speaker 1>a hundred cracks from this place to this place. But somehow,

0:25:08.080 --> 0:25:11.320
<v Speaker 1>via counting cracks and counting train stops and recognizing the bridge,

0:25:11.400 --> 0:25:13.560
<v Speaker 1>we finally get to this kid and he goes that's house.

0:25:13.680 --> 0:25:16.160
<v Speaker 1>So he finally brings them essentially back to his house.

0:25:16.320 --> 0:25:16.760
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

0:25:17.480 --> 0:25:21.879
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's pretty amazing. A neighbor guy pops out. He's like,

0:25:22.000 --> 0:25:24.320
<v Speaker 1>you guys looking for Tony and the house is we

0:25:24.400 --> 0:25:27.639
<v Speaker 1>find out owned by Angie Minetti. Tony Minetti is her son.

0:25:28.240 --> 0:25:30.880
<v Speaker 1>They break into the house like no one they don't

0:25:30.880 --> 0:25:33.440
<v Speaker 1>see anybody, no one's around. They go down to the basement.

0:25:33.680 --> 0:25:35.960
<v Speaker 1>They find a bunch of cells. One cell has a

0:25:35.960 --> 0:25:39.120
<v Speaker 1>little Momo doll in it. There are buckets like it's

0:25:39.200 --> 0:25:41.560
<v Speaker 1>a full horror show, like people are being kept in

0:25:41.680 --> 0:25:44.400
<v Speaker 1>this in this area. And then they see that there's

0:25:44.440 --> 0:25:46.840
<v Speaker 1>a woman in one of these cells and she's chained

0:25:46.920 --> 0:25:49.720
<v Speaker 1>up and she looks terrified. So they get this woman

0:25:49.760 --> 0:25:53.200
<v Speaker 1>out of the house. Rollins is like fully house of horrors.

0:25:53.240 --> 0:25:56.199
<v Speaker 1>There's tasers, there's zip ti restraints, there's German shepherds in

0:25:56.200 --> 0:25:58.240
<v Speaker 1>the yard, like this is not a fun place to be.

0:25:59.000 --> 0:26:01.640
<v Speaker 3>And Barba is on this. I don't know, I think

0:26:01.640 --> 0:26:02.520
<v Speaker 3>we've asked this before.

0:26:02.520 --> 0:26:04.679
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how often DA's Ida has come to

0:26:04.680 --> 0:26:06.560
<v Speaker 1>the scene, but Barba is on the scene here and

0:26:06.600 --> 0:26:08.760
<v Speaker 1>he does say it's another Ariel Castro.

0:26:09.000 --> 0:26:09.600
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

0:26:09.680 --> 0:26:12.320
<v Speaker 1>So spoiler alert, that is what the crime that this

0:26:12.440 --> 0:26:16.800
<v Speaker 1>is based on. So basically, no one has seen Angie Minetti,

0:26:16.840 --> 0:26:18.879
<v Speaker 1>the owner of the house, in years, but her social

0:26:18.880 --> 0:26:23.200
<v Speaker 1>Security checks are still getting cashed. There have been three complaints,

0:26:23.240 --> 0:26:25.000
<v Speaker 1>including one of a woman.

0:26:24.880 --> 0:26:27.240
<v Speaker 3>Tied up in a doghouse outside.

0:26:27.640 --> 0:26:30.240
<v Speaker 1>The cop showed up, there was no answer, so they

0:26:30.320 --> 0:26:34.439
<v Speaker 1>left and everyone's like appalled by that, further proof that

0:26:34.560 --> 0:26:37.760
<v Speaker 1>SVU is a cab. So the neighbor is like, I

0:26:37.800 --> 0:26:40.119
<v Speaker 1>never saw anything sketchy. It's like, you didn't see the

0:26:40.320 --> 0:26:45.960
<v Speaker 1>doghouse situation, okay, buddy. ID is a photo of Auntie,

0:26:46.000 --> 0:26:48.520
<v Speaker 1>the woman that they find in the cage downstairs, and

0:26:48.560 --> 0:26:51.560
<v Speaker 1>he's like, can I see Sissy? And then Olivia is

0:26:52.000 --> 0:26:54.280
<v Speaker 1>like in the car with him, trying to get him

0:26:54.320 --> 0:26:56.560
<v Speaker 1>to talk, and when she looks outside, she sees all

0:26:56.600 --> 0:26:59.560
<v Speaker 1>this press and like people helping the woman get into

0:26:59.600 --> 0:27:01.760
<v Speaker 1>the car, and it gives her flashbacks of her whole

0:27:01.800 --> 0:27:04.880
<v Speaker 1>William Lewis situation. We're getting flashback throughout the whole episode,

0:27:05.119 --> 0:27:06.439
<v Speaker 1>some worse than others.

0:27:06.480 --> 0:27:07.120
<v Speaker 3>We'll get to it.

0:27:07.840 --> 0:27:10.920
<v Speaker 1>She's like very pissed the press is there, but she's

0:27:11.000 --> 0:27:14.080
<v Speaker 1>also fully exhibiting the effects of her trauma, like this

0:27:14.200 --> 0:27:16.439
<v Speaker 1>is not really the way Olivia usually talks. She's just

0:27:16.520 --> 0:27:20.800
<v Speaker 1>like the feeding Frenzi's already begun, like she's so so pissed. So,

0:27:21.480 --> 0:27:24.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, I think Olivia is just also going through something.

0:27:24.880 --> 0:27:28.320
<v Speaker 1>So at the precinct, we find out that they've searched

0:27:28.320 --> 0:27:31.600
<v Speaker 1>Tony Minettie's apartment, but there's no sign of Ma or Sissy.

0:27:32.080 --> 0:27:34.439
<v Speaker 1>They identified the woman that they found in the basement

0:27:34.440 --> 0:27:37.959
<v Speaker 1>as Ronda Davis, twenty four, missing since O two, so

0:27:38.000 --> 0:27:41.560
<v Speaker 1>she's been missing for nine or ten years at least.

0:27:42.119 --> 0:27:45.240
<v Speaker 1>She has diminished mental capacity, so she's not able to

0:27:45.240 --> 0:27:47.880
<v Speaker 1>give them a ton of information. They bring in this guy,

0:27:47.920 --> 0:27:50.320
<v Speaker 1>Tony Minette, but we've already seen what the guy looked

0:27:50.359 --> 0:27:51.840
<v Speaker 1>like a little bit at the beginning of the episode.

0:27:51.840 --> 0:27:53.680
<v Speaker 1>This is not the guy. He's obviously not the man

0:27:53.720 --> 0:27:55.920
<v Speaker 1>we saw in Times Square. And he's like, I don't

0:27:55.920 --> 0:27:57.120
<v Speaker 1>even like women. I'm gay.

0:27:57.240 --> 0:27:59.160
<v Speaker 3>This is why I haven't talked to my mom in years.

0:27:59.640 --> 0:28:01.520
<v Speaker 3>Like I don't want that house. I have nothing to

0:28:01.560 --> 0:28:02.760
<v Speaker 3>do with that house, like Bubba.

0:28:02.800 --> 0:28:07.160
<v Speaker 1>So clearly there's a mistaken identity situation going on here.

0:28:07.880 --> 0:28:10.680
<v Speaker 1>Rollins is like slowly trying to pull more info out

0:28:10.720 --> 0:28:15.520
<v Speaker 1>of Ronda who's obviously incredibly traumatized. So she says that

0:28:15.600 --> 0:28:18.200
<v Speaker 1>Pas sleeps with all of them, but that he left

0:28:18.240 --> 0:28:20.960
<v Speaker 1>with Cissy and Ma and didn't want her to go.

0:28:21.520 --> 0:28:25.120
<v Speaker 1>She says Pa calls Cissy pumpkin Pie and called her

0:28:25.160 --> 0:28:26.480
<v Speaker 1>our Thanksgiving blessing.

0:28:26.840 --> 0:28:28.000
<v Speaker 3>So this kind of is like a.

0:28:28.040 --> 0:28:31.200
<v Speaker 1>Light bulb that this woman came to them around Thanksgiving time.

0:28:31.480 --> 0:28:33.520
<v Speaker 1>So they're looking for somebody who would have gone missing

0:28:33.520 --> 0:28:36.800
<v Speaker 1>around Thanksgiving time, and that leads them to Kayla Grayland,

0:28:36.800 --> 0:28:40.920
<v Speaker 1>who went missing in the Poconos nine years ago around Thanksgiving.

0:28:41.240 --> 0:28:44.120
<v Speaker 1>And a buddy has id'd an age progression photo of

0:28:44.160 --> 0:28:47.000
<v Speaker 1>like what Cissy would look like, so they go to

0:28:47.000 --> 0:28:50.600
<v Speaker 1>see Kayla's parents. They show a police sketch of the

0:28:50.640 --> 0:28:54.080
<v Speaker 1>man who was in Times Square and the parents are ecstatic.

0:28:54.080 --> 0:28:56.000
<v Speaker 1>They've never seen the man before, but they're ecstatic to

0:28:56.000 --> 0:28:58.880
<v Speaker 1>find out that Kayla might still be alive. The cops

0:28:58.920 --> 0:29:02.200
<v Speaker 1>never took DNA of her, like anything from her hair

0:29:02.240 --> 0:29:05.120
<v Speaker 1>brush or a toothbrush or anything like that, so that

0:29:05.240 --> 0:29:08.320
<v Speaker 1>was kind of a mistake. But the mom has Kayla's

0:29:08.320 --> 0:29:10.920
<v Speaker 1>first tooth for DNA and that nig me start thinking

0:29:10.920 --> 0:29:13.760
<v Speaker 1>about when Rosie's gonna lose teeth, and I'm not excited

0:29:13.800 --> 0:29:15.920
<v Speaker 1>to be collecting teeth. But anyway, you don't have to

0:29:16.000 --> 0:29:18.280
<v Speaker 1>collect them. Aren't you supposed to keep them in a

0:29:18.320 --> 0:29:21.560
<v Speaker 1>little box or not? In my culture, that's disgusting. No,

0:29:21.760 --> 0:29:23.520
<v Speaker 1>people that keep teeth, it's weird.

0:29:23.600 --> 0:29:25.640
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. Okay, so just take.

0:29:25.480 --> 0:29:28.840
<v Speaker 1>Her little tooth, put a fiver under the put a

0:29:28.880 --> 0:29:31.240
<v Speaker 1>dollar under the pillow, and throw it in the garbage.

0:29:31.640 --> 0:29:35.520
<v Speaker 2>I mean, if you want to keep a tooth, I'm not,

0:29:35.800 --> 0:29:37.600
<v Speaker 2>but it doesn't seem like you want to, and you

0:29:37.640 --> 0:29:41.360
<v Speaker 2>do not have to no rule book. You don't even

0:29:41.400 --> 0:29:43.000
<v Speaker 2>have to tell her about the tooth Fair if you

0:29:43.040 --> 0:29:46.000
<v Speaker 2>don't want to. I mean, it's all a fucking siskin. Yeah,

0:29:46.000 --> 0:29:48.320
<v Speaker 2>everything's made up. But I think I'll do the tooth fair.

0:29:48.400 --> 0:29:50.560
<v Speaker 1>It sounds it was really magical to wake up with

0:29:50.640 --> 0:29:51.719
<v Speaker 1>money under your pillow.

0:29:51.800 --> 0:29:52.560
<v Speaker 3>That was really fun.

0:29:52.640 --> 0:29:56.800
<v Speaker 2>No, it's really really fun, and presents are always a

0:29:56.840 --> 0:30:01.000
<v Speaker 2>good time. But ew to keep a bunch teeth is not.

0:30:02.520 --> 0:30:04.080
<v Speaker 1>I just have seen a lot of people do that.

0:30:04.440 --> 0:30:07.800
<v Speaker 1>I've definitely I found boxes of teeth. It might my

0:30:07.840 --> 0:30:11.640
<v Speaker 1>mom too have did it. I'll ask her anyway. Meanwhile,

0:30:11.840 --> 0:30:14.600
<v Speaker 1>CSU has found skeletal remains in the backyard of the

0:30:14.600 --> 0:30:16.120
<v Speaker 1>minity house, wrapped in a blanket.

0:30:16.320 --> 0:30:19.360
<v Speaker 3>So not great. Live is still having flashbacks.

0:30:19.520 --> 0:30:23.040
<v Speaker 1>She's she's just getting really dark, like describing all the

0:30:23.080 --> 0:30:25.400
<v Speaker 1>details of the case. She's like, and this guy keeps

0:30:25.400 --> 0:30:28.080
<v Speaker 1>these women slaves, Like she's just getting more heightened and

0:30:28.080 --> 0:30:29.000
<v Speaker 1>heightened in her anger.

0:30:29.680 --> 0:30:31.680
<v Speaker 3>And then she's like, you have to stop treating.

0:30:31.440 --> 0:30:33.920
<v Speaker 1>Me, like I'm broken, And it's like you seem not broken,

0:30:33.960 --> 0:30:36.000
<v Speaker 1>but like you could use a maybe a couple weeks

0:30:36.040 --> 0:30:37.160
<v Speaker 1>in Hawaii or something.

0:30:37.320 --> 0:30:42.000
<v Speaker 2>But the thing is, this does suck, Like this is

0:30:42.040 --> 0:30:44.560
<v Speaker 2>the normal reaction to a case like this, Like this

0:30:44.640 --> 0:30:45.880
<v Speaker 2>is fucked up.

0:30:46.320 --> 0:30:48.680
<v Speaker 1>Right, But I think when this case transitioned from a

0:30:48.720 --> 0:30:51.800
<v Speaker 1>missing kid to a full aerial castro situation, they might

0:30:51.840 --> 0:30:54.680
<v Speaker 1>have moved lived to like just be like a different thing,

0:30:54.840 --> 0:30:57.400
<v Speaker 1>like because it's so one of the worst cases that

0:30:57.440 --> 0:30:59.840
<v Speaker 1>we've ever heard of in our lives. And like she's

0:30:59.840 --> 0:31:03.000
<v Speaker 1>like first case back on the job, like human atrocities

0:31:03.040 --> 0:31:07.880
<v Speaker 1>beyond all others. Like it's kind of tough, but ice

0:31:07.960 --> 0:31:09.480
<v Speaker 1>Tea comes in and there's good news.

0:31:09.480 --> 0:31:10.360
<v Speaker 3>They found Kayla.

0:31:10.520 --> 0:31:13.800
<v Speaker 1>She was picked up by New Jersey police shoplifting at

0:31:13.800 --> 0:31:17.400
<v Speaker 1>a Kmart, so clearly she was just dumped somewhere and

0:31:17.520 --> 0:31:19.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, they probably wanted to get caught or

0:31:19.240 --> 0:31:22.240
<v Speaker 1>needed needed food and went to Kmart to shoplift. So

0:31:22.400 --> 0:31:25.920
<v Speaker 1>on TV, Kayla talks to the press. She's played by

0:31:25.960 --> 0:31:30.000
<v Speaker 1>an actress named Agatha Nowiki, and she Kayla has been

0:31:30.080 --> 0:31:31.960
<v Speaker 1>missing for nine years, and she's like, I just want

0:31:31.960 --> 0:31:34.760
<v Speaker 1>to see my parents and see buddy. The news report

0:31:34.920 --> 0:31:38.920
<v Speaker 1>has her name underneath, and the font is comic book font.

0:31:38.960 --> 0:31:40.760
<v Speaker 1>It just it's just something I noticed and it was

0:31:40.840 --> 0:31:43.560
<v Speaker 1>really weird, like it's full Superman comic book font at

0:31:43.560 --> 0:31:45.280
<v Speaker 1>the bottom, and I don't think most news channels are

0:31:45.360 --> 0:31:46.280
<v Speaker 1>using that anyway.

0:31:46.880 --> 0:31:48.680
<v Speaker 3>We go to commercial on.

0:31:50.080 --> 0:31:54.120
<v Speaker 1>Live's face looking like kind of pissed, and yeah, that's

0:31:54.200 --> 0:31:57.080
<v Speaker 1>kind of her vibe the whole episode. But at the hospital,

0:31:57.600 --> 0:32:00.600
<v Speaker 1>Kayla's like everybody's being so nice. She's surrounded by her

0:32:00.600 --> 0:32:03.440
<v Speaker 1>parents are there with her. It's like, thank God, she's safe,

0:32:03.880 --> 0:32:05.560
<v Speaker 1>and she just wants to go home.

0:32:05.640 --> 0:32:06.520
<v Speaker 3>But the cops are.

0:32:06.360 --> 0:32:08.560
<v Speaker 1>Like, girl, we need a little bit more info from you.

0:32:08.600 --> 0:32:10.960
<v Speaker 1>This isn't like a head straight home kind of situation,

0:32:11.960 --> 0:32:14.120
<v Speaker 1>and so Barbara like lures the parents out of the

0:32:14.200 --> 0:32:17.320
<v Speaker 1>room so that they can talk to Kayla a little

0:32:17.360 --> 0:32:20.760
<v Speaker 1>bit more easily. And she says when she was walking

0:32:20.760 --> 0:32:22.560
<v Speaker 1>home from watching TV at a friend's house, she was

0:32:22.600 --> 0:32:25.840
<v Speaker 1>walking home and these mon pa pulled over. Ma asked

0:32:25.880 --> 0:32:29.760
<v Speaker 1>her for directions, and she felt a jolt and Olivia's like,

0:32:29.840 --> 0:32:32.200
<v Speaker 1>they tasered you. And when she woke up, she was

0:32:32.280 --> 0:32:34.640
<v Speaker 1>chained to the wall and they were like, we're your

0:32:34.680 --> 0:32:40.000
<v Speaker 1>new family mon Pa. And after about a week, Paw

0:32:40.160 --> 0:32:43.720
<v Speaker 1>unchained her and started raping her. And she didn't even

0:32:43.760 --> 0:32:47.240
<v Speaker 1>know that it was called sex until Ma explained it

0:32:47.240 --> 0:32:49.160
<v Speaker 1>to her and told her that she was lucky to

0:32:49.160 --> 0:32:50.240
<v Speaker 1>be PA's favorite.

0:32:50.440 --> 0:32:52.479
<v Speaker 3>So this is beyond fucked up.

0:32:52.520 --> 0:32:55.720
<v Speaker 1>She's ten years old when she is originally captured, so

0:32:56.800 --> 0:32:57.760
<v Speaker 1>very very horrific.

0:32:58.880 --> 0:33:00.360
<v Speaker 3>Ma was never locked up.

0:33:00.400 --> 0:33:03.440
<v Speaker 1>She reveals she went upstairs and she said sometimes Paul

0:33:03.440 --> 0:33:07.200
<v Speaker 1>would go away and Sissy would ask her to let her,

0:33:07.320 --> 0:33:09.360
<v Speaker 1>like let them go, and she's like, I can't because

0:33:09.400 --> 0:33:12.680
<v Speaker 1>Pau's coming back. Pretty fucked up, and then the next

0:33:12.720 --> 0:33:16.680
<v Speaker 1>thing we know, we're in Pennsylvania where Amorrow is there

0:33:16.760 --> 0:33:19.680
<v Speaker 1>to collect Ma who's been apparently sitting at a McDonald's

0:33:19.680 --> 0:33:20.360
<v Speaker 1>for five hours.

0:33:20.400 --> 0:33:23.320
<v Speaker 3>So this man has just been ditching these women one

0:33:23.360 --> 0:33:23.680
<v Speaker 3>by one.

0:33:23.720 --> 0:33:25.280
<v Speaker 1>He left one at home, he dropped one off in

0:33:25.320 --> 0:33:27.920
<v Speaker 1>New Jersey, or he didn't drop her off. She escaped

0:33:27.920 --> 0:33:29.840
<v Speaker 1>in New Jersey, I think. And then he drops off

0:33:30.120 --> 0:33:32.480
<v Speaker 1>Ma in Pennsylvania. She has no cash. He just left

0:33:32.520 --> 0:33:32.880
<v Speaker 1>her there.

0:33:33.080 --> 0:33:35.720
<v Speaker 2>Do you think this would have happened if the Momo

0:33:35.840 --> 0:33:41.560
<v Speaker 2>incident didn't happen? Like he was escaping the cops, but like, no,

0:33:42.040 --> 0:33:42.360
<v Speaker 2>he would.

0:33:42.480 --> 0:33:44.720
<v Speaker 1>I think he would have kept living how he was living. Yeah, okay,

0:33:45.120 --> 0:33:47.680
<v Speaker 1>I think that he knew, oh shit, the cops are

0:33:47.680 --> 0:33:49.120
<v Speaker 1>going to get in my face. I can't deal with

0:33:49.160 --> 0:33:51.520
<v Speaker 1>the cops and then leaving. But it's like I don't

0:33:51.560 --> 0:33:54.960
<v Speaker 1>know if yeah, I don't know, but it seems like

0:33:55.000 --> 0:33:57.600
<v Speaker 1>it was kind of crazy to abandon buddy. He should

0:33:57.640 --> 0:33:59.600
<v Speaker 1>have just talked to the cops and been like sorry,

0:33:59.640 --> 0:34:01.760
<v Speaker 1>I mean, pushed the guy and then like the cops

0:34:01.760 --> 0:34:03.760
<v Speaker 1>are dumb. They would have never investigated it further and

0:34:03.800 --> 0:34:07.480
<v Speaker 1>found your fucking full harem of prisoner.

0:34:07.120 --> 0:34:08.160
<v Speaker 3>Slaves in your basement.

0:34:09.360 --> 0:34:12.920
<v Speaker 1>Ma was like very adamant about staying at the McDonald's

0:34:12.920 --> 0:34:15.359
<v Speaker 1>because she thinks that Pau's coming back for her, and

0:34:15.360 --> 0:34:17.799
<v Speaker 1>she's like a real country. She's like Paul gonna come

0:34:17.840 --> 0:34:20.759
<v Speaker 1>back for me, Like she's got a real accent, and

0:34:21.920 --> 0:34:24.239
<v Speaker 1>they bring her in and everyone's like, we got to

0:34:24.360 --> 0:34:26.520
<v Speaker 1>charge her, we got to do this, and Rollins is

0:34:26.520 --> 0:34:28.520
<v Speaker 1>really fighting for her, and it's like she has classic

0:34:28.560 --> 0:34:32.160
<v Speaker 1>Stockholm syndrome, like this is a victim as well, and

0:34:32.200 --> 0:34:33.560
<v Speaker 1>they're like, well, we got to talk to her because

0:34:33.600 --> 0:34:35.600
<v Speaker 1>she's the only way we can find out where Paw is.

0:34:36.040 --> 0:34:37.319
<v Speaker 1>So they're like, well, who do you want to talk

0:34:37.320 --> 0:34:39.160
<v Speaker 1>to her? Are the men that arrested her in cofor

0:34:39.239 --> 0:34:42.520
<v Speaker 1>or the women, So obviously Craigan makes the call, lets

0:34:42.600 --> 0:34:44.960
<v Speaker 1>Rollins and Benson go in to talk to her. They

0:34:45.120 --> 0:34:48.120
<v Speaker 1>quickly devolve into a good cop, bad cop situation, but

0:34:48.200 --> 0:34:52.600
<v Speaker 1>Live is losing it, like she's not doing her normal

0:34:53.120 --> 0:34:57.440
<v Speaker 1>Olivia Benson like compassionate speaking to people, like she's fully

0:34:57.480 --> 0:35:00.160
<v Speaker 1>freaking out on this woman. And obviously this this is

0:35:00.160 --> 0:35:02.759
<v Speaker 1>all a result of the ongoing trauma that she is

0:35:02.800 --> 0:35:05.879
<v Speaker 1>suffering from. Ma is like freaking out from the way

0:35:05.920 --> 0:35:07.640
<v Speaker 1>that Olivia is talking to her, and they have to

0:35:07.640 --> 0:35:10.600
<v Speaker 1>pull Olivia out of the room. Craigan sends her home

0:35:10.640 --> 0:35:12.080
<v Speaker 1>and it's like, it was too soon for you to

0:35:12.080 --> 0:35:15.640
<v Speaker 1>come back. I can't say I disagree. The next scene

0:35:15.719 --> 0:35:19.200
<v Speaker 1>is just flashbacks of Benson beating Louis with a bat,

0:35:19.320 --> 0:35:22.920
<v Speaker 1>like really really fucked up flashback of like it's just

0:35:23.080 --> 0:35:25.799
<v Speaker 1>very graphic, you like hear a body being slammed with

0:35:25.800 --> 0:35:29.080
<v Speaker 1>a bat over and over. And then she comes to

0:35:29.200 --> 0:35:32.600
<v Speaker 1>she's in a hospital elevator and she's like letting everybody go.

0:35:32.520 --> 0:35:34.360
<v Speaker 3>Out of the hospital, out of the elevator.

0:35:33.920 --> 0:35:36.439
<v Speaker 1>And she's just like sitting there frozen, and she's going

0:35:36.480 --> 0:35:39.400
<v Speaker 1>to see Kayla, Rhonda, and Buddy. They're all kind of

0:35:39.440 --> 0:35:42.640
<v Speaker 1>in this like child development room like hanging out. Ronda

0:35:42.680 --> 0:35:45.719
<v Speaker 1>and Buddy are and Kayla's outside the glass talking to Benson,

0:35:46.719 --> 0:35:51.400
<v Speaker 1>and this is a very mirrored scene from earlier with Benson.

0:35:51.480 --> 0:35:53.680
<v Speaker 1>Kayla says she's tired of everyone looking at her like

0:35:53.719 --> 0:35:56.880
<v Speaker 1>she's going to break, and Benson's like, girl, I feel you.

0:35:56.880 --> 0:36:01.200
<v Speaker 1>You know, Buddy wants to see ma, and Kayla's like,

0:36:01.280 --> 0:36:03.560
<v Speaker 1>it's fine with me if he wants to see her.

0:36:03.600 --> 0:36:05.600
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to take anything away from anybody. And

0:36:05.640 --> 0:36:07.640
<v Speaker 1>I just feel like this actress is very good, Like

0:36:07.680 --> 0:36:13.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm really like she's really drawing me into this victim personality.

0:36:13.280 --> 0:36:16.120
<v Speaker 3>This character is just like she's really really you feel

0:36:16.120 --> 0:36:16.480
<v Speaker 3>for her.

0:36:16.960 --> 0:36:21.040
<v Speaker 1>Meanwhile, Olivia meets Amorrow in a back alley and she's like,

0:36:21.239 --> 0:36:24.640
<v Speaker 1>I've got something to trade for with Ma, Like I've

0:36:24.640 --> 0:36:28.359
<v Speaker 1>got an idea, And so Live shows up to you know,

0:36:28.680 --> 0:36:35.040
<v Speaker 1>the precinct. Craigan's annoyed because because no one's listening to Daddy. Yeah,

0:36:35.080 --> 0:36:37.160
<v Speaker 1>no one's listening to him. But Livia is like, want

0:36:37.200 --> 0:36:38.719
<v Speaker 1>me to quit, bitch, and he's like, okay, well I

0:36:38.719 --> 0:36:39.200
<v Speaker 1>don't want that.

0:36:39.480 --> 0:36:40.960
<v Speaker 3>So they do.

0:36:41.080 --> 0:36:43.400
<v Speaker 1>Let Olivia go in and talk to Ma again, and

0:36:43.440 --> 0:36:45.719
<v Speaker 1>she's got Now she's back to regular Benson. Now she's

0:36:45.760 --> 0:36:49.160
<v Speaker 1>back to soft spoken. Let's work this out. Let me

0:36:49.239 --> 0:36:51.520
<v Speaker 1>coax the information out of you the way that only

0:36:51.560 --> 0:36:56.040
<v Speaker 1>Olivia Benson knows how. And she basically shows Ma a

0:36:56.080 --> 0:36:58.439
<v Speaker 1>picture that Buddy drew for her and starts to tug

0:36:58.480 --> 0:37:01.040
<v Speaker 1>on her heartstrings from the whole Buddy and she's like,

0:37:01.360 --> 0:37:04.120
<v Speaker 1>he misses you, Sissy says, you can see him if

0:37:04.160 --> 0:37:04.560
<v Speaker 1>you want.

0:37:04.840 --> 0:37:06.080
<v Speaker 3>You can still be a family.

0:37:06.160 --> 0:37:08.560
<v Speaker 1>You just have to talk to us, and she and

0:37:08.560 --> 0:37:10.680
<v Speaker 1>it's like, you tell us who Paw is and she

0:37:10.760 --> 0:37:12.640
<v Speaker 1>won't say, and she's like, well tell us who you are,

0:37:12.680 --> 0:37:14.319
<v Speaker 1>Like what did they used to call you, and she's like,

0:37:14.360 --> 0:37:16.879
<v Speaker 1>I just can't say it. Olivia has done this trick before.

0:37:16.960 --> 0:37:18.360
<v Speaker 1>She's like, if you can't say it, how about you

0:37:18.360 --> 0:37:21.919
<v Speaker 1>write it down, you know. So in the next scene

0:37:21.960 --> 0:37:24.000
<v Speaker 1>we find out her name is April Hendrix and she

0:37:24.040 --> 0:37:27.719
<v Speaker 1>went missing eighteen years ago in Greenpoint, Brooklyn. I don't

0:37:27.719 --> 0:37:30.080
<v Speaker 1>know how she became Southern. Maybe that was something that

0:37:30.120 --> 0:37:32.320
<v Speaker 1>happened when she was in the bigsman of this house

0:37:32.600 --> 0:37:35.399
<v Speaker 1>because she's fully like, but there's Paul and like, she's

0:37:35.440 --> 0:37:38.160
<v Speaker 1>from Brooklyn. So she went missing about eighteen years ago

0:37:38.200 --> 0:37:40.680
<v Speaker 1>in green Point. Police questioned a few people. One of

0:37:40.680 --> 0:37:42.920
<v Speaker 1>the people they question was Michael Williams, who was a

0:37:42.920 --> 0:37:46.120
<v Speaker 1>maintenance worker at her school. The school has since shut down,

0:37:46.440 --> 0:37:48.920
<v Speaker 1>but they somehow get in contact with another teacher from

0:37:48.960 --> 0:37:51.759
<v Speaker 1>the school who remembers exactly.

0:37:51.239 --> 0:37:53.920
<v Speaker 3>April and is like, oh, you want to hear something great.

0:37:54.200 --> 0:37:56.239
<v Speaker 1>He works at this school now, Michael Williams, So let

0:37:56.280 --> 0:37:58.759
<v Speaker 1>me get you his phone number. So I love when

0:37:58.960 --> 0:38:00.960
<v Speaker 1>the writers are like, we to move this along and

0:38:01.000 --> 0:38:03.719
<v Speaker 1>we just get to who Michael Williams is.

0:38:03.760 --> 0:38:04.319
<v Speaker 3>Where he is.

0:38:04.840 --> 0:38:08.000
<v Speaker 1>They track him down and a Croatian woman opens the

0:38:08.040 --> 0:38:10.160
<v Speaker 1>door and she is from Oranges to The New Black. She

0:38:10.239 --> 0:38:13.719
<v Speaker 1>played Healy's wife that hated him. Do you remember whoa Yeah,

0:38:13.760 --> 0:38:16.920
<v Speaker 1>I remember? Oh wow, yeah, so that's that's her. I

0:38:16.960 --> 0:38:18.520
<v Speaker 1>always liked heron Orange Is the New Black. She was

0:38:18.520 --> 0:38:20.880
<v Speaker 1>really funny. That's a funny type cast to be just

0:38:21.000 --> 0:38:24.440
<v Speaker 1>mail orders like, yeah, she's yeah, been a Mallard to

0:38:24.480 --> 0:38:28.480
<v Speaker 1>bride more than once. And she answers the door and

0:38:28.480 --> 0:38:30.440
<v Speaker 1>she's like, yeah, Michael Williams is my husband. He's in

0:38:30.480 --> 0:38:32.680
<v Speaker 1>the back playing with our sons. And they go back

0:38:32.719 --> 0:38:36.480
<v Speaker 1>and he's just like weirdly rough housing with his sons

0:38:36.520 --> 0:38:38.799
<v Speaker 1>in a way that seems like they staged it. But

0:38:39.239 --> 0:38:42.840
<v Speaker 1>they arrest him immediately, and now we're cross cutting between

0:38:43.320 --> 0:38:46.799
<v Speaker 1>him being interrogated and his wife being interrogated. He is

0:38:47.960 --> 0:38:50.680
<v Speaker 1>creepily delusional, like he's like, slaves.

0:38:50.840 --> 0:38:51.760
<v Speaker 3>I was the slave.

0:38:51.840 --> 0:38:54.399
<v Speaker 1>I fed these women, I clothed them, I took care

0:38:54.400 --> 0:38:57.839
<v Speaker 1>of their needs. It's like they were fine, they were

0:38:58.040 --> 0:39:02.080
<v Speaker 1>what nobody Oh, it's just it's really illusional. Rollins is

0:39:02.680 --> 0:39:05.640
<v Speaker 1>convincing the wife about what he did and she's like, no,

0:39:05.760 --> 0:39:07.879
<v Speaker 1>you don't understand. He was at this house taking care

0:39:07.880 --> 0:39:11.080
<v Speaker 1>of his mother. And the wife's name is Dagmara. By

0:39:11.120 --> 0:39:13.239
<v Speaker 1>the way, that's her name. They don't really ever say it,

0:39:13.280 --> 0:39:15.160
<v Speaker 1>but it is listed in the credits, and I think

0:39:15.160 --> 0:39:16.960
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of a fun name, but it sounds like

0:39:17.000 --> 0:39:21.720
<v Speaker 1>a meat that you would order a Dagmara sandwich. Yeah,

0:39:21.880 --> 0:39:25.719
<v Speaker 1>so Michael is like insisting that he saved these girls, which, like,

0:39:25.960 --> 0:39:29.719
<v Speaker 1>I guess I could sort of see. We find out

0:39:29.800 --> 0:39:33.680
<v Speaker 1>that Ma actually had her mother, had an abusive boyfriend

0:39:33.760 --> 0:39:36.279
<v Speaker 1>that she was trying to get away from, so that's

0:39:36.280 --> 0:39:38.200
<v Speaker 1>why kind of nobody looked for her because they assumed

0:39:38.239 --> 0:39:40.240
<v Speaker 1>that she was just running away from her home situation.

0:39:40.880 --> 0:39:43.040
<v Speaker 1>And then Ronda was a drug addict that was like

0:39:43.080 --> 0:39:45.040
<v Speaker 1>in and out of foster care. So I guess you

0:39:45.040 --> 0:39:47.640
<v Speaker 1>could see, like these two how he in his mind

0:39:47.719 --> 0:39:49.560
<v Speaker 1>was like, I'm saving them. I'm giving them a better

0:39:49.640 --> 0:39:54.080
<v Speaker 1>life in a cage. It's psychotic. But with Kayla, it's

0:39:54.080 --> 0:39:56.120
<v Speaker 1>like she was walking home from school, she had parents,

0:39:56.120 --> 0:39:57.680
<v Speaker 1>she was fine. You just picked her up off the

0:39:57.680 --> 0:40:00.120
<v Speaker 1>street and ruined her life, Like I mean, she in

0:40:00.160 --> 0:40:02.319
<v Speaker 1>all their lives. I'm just saying, I don't know where

0:40:02.360 --> 0:40:05.200
<v Speaker 1>he gets his justification for Kayla. And when they ask

0:40:05.280 --> 0:40:07.840
<v Speaker 1>him about it, he says, oh, Yeah, Kayla was different.

0:40:07.920 --> 0:40:10.640
<v Speaker 1>Sissy helped him, so after he took her, he didn't

0:40:10.640 --> 0:40:11.520
<v Speaker 1>need any others.

0:40:12.040 --> 0:40:14.479
<v Speaker 3>So he admits that she was a different case.

0:40:14.520 --> 0:40:16.000
<v Speaker 1>But I think it was just like he saw her

0:40:16.000 --> 0:40:18.520
<v Speaker 1>and wanted to possess her, so that's what he did.

0:40:18.960 --> 0:40:21.799
<v Speaker 1>The wife is still going on about how his mom

0:40:21.880 --> 0:40:25.000
<v Speaker 1>isn't dead, she has Alzheimer's and she goes he goes

0:40:25.040 --> 0:40:27.600
<v Speaker 1>away to help her with her Alzheimer's, and it's like

0:40:27.640 --> 0:40:29.800
<v Speaker 1>she's just not getting that her husband is going away

0:40:29.840 --> 0:40:34.640
<v Speaker 1>to basically have a secret family that are captives. And

0:40:35.239 --> 0:40:37.719
<v Speaker 1>he denies killing Angie and said he just walked in

0:40:37.760 --> 0:40:39.839
<v Speaker 1>one day and she was dead.

0:40:40.400 --> 0:40:43.200
<v Speaker 2>And I'm also wondering if this mail order woman is

0:40:43.360 --> 0:40:46.080
<v Speaker 2>like actually like somewhere. If she's like, yeah, go to Manhattan,

0:40:46.080 --> 0:40:47.960
<v Speaker 2>like going to green Point, I don't care.

0:40:48.120 --> 0:40:52.040
<v Speaker 1>Well, she's pretty like she's pretty insistent that he's a

0:40:52.080 --> 0:40:54.640
<v Speaker 1>great man. She keeps like she's not just like she's

0:40:54.680 --> 0:40:56.160
<v Speaker 1>not just like, look, he helped me.

0:40:56.239 --> 0:40:57.680
<v Speaker 3>I'm in this country because of him.

0:40:57.719 --> 0:41:00.239
<v Speaker 1>She's like, he's great, he's such a great dad in

0:41:00.239 --> 0:41:02.360
<v Speaker 1>the Poconos because he wants to keep our son safe.

0:41:02.440 --> 0:41:05.879
<v Speaker 1>Like she totally I think she's drank the kool aid

0:41:06.000 --> 0:41:07.839
<v Speaker 1>somehow that he's a good guy, but it also could

0:41:07.840 --> 0:41:10.480
<v Speaker 1>be that life was bad with she looks.

0:41:10.480 --> 0:41:16.319
<v Speaker 3>Like Buffalo Bill. I know he looks scary, fully, I know,

0:41:16.600 --> 0:41:17.239
<v Speaker 3>but I don't know.

0:41:17.239 --> 0:41:18.880
<v Speaker 1>If you watch ninety Day Fiance, I think a lot

0:41:18.920 --> 0:41:20.640
<v Speaker 1>of these girls are getting with scary guys so they

0:41:20.640 --> 0:41:21.920
<v Speaker 1>can get out of where they came from.

0:41:22.400 --> 0:41:25.720
<v Speaker 3>But like I said, he denies killing Angie.

0:41:25.760 --> 0:41:27.680
<v Speaker 1>He says she was just dead one day and they're like,

0:41:27.719 --> 0:41:29.880
<v Speaker 1>so you just buried her in the backyard and he

0:41:29.960 --> 0:41:32.920
<v Speaker 1>was and cash her checks and he was like, eh,

0:41:32.920 --> 0:41:34.839
<v Speaker 1>he kind of doesn't really have answers for a lot

0:41:34.880 --> 0:41:36.759
<v Speaker 1>of this. And he was like, well, what did you

0:41:36.800 --> 0:41:38.840
<v Speaker 1>think was going to happen to Ronda when you bolted

0:41:38.880 --> 0:41:41.000
<v Speaker 1>with the two other women and just left her chained

0:41:41.040 --> 0:41:41.720
<v Speaker 1>up in a cage?

0:41:41.719 --> 0:41:43.479
<v Speaker 3>And he's like, can't save them all?

0:41:43.520 --> 0:41:47.440
<v Speaker 1>Like he's truly evil, this man, And he thinks he

0:41:47.560 --> 0:41:48.080
<v Speaker 1>saved them.

0:41:48.120 --> 0:41:50.560
<v Speaker 3>He's like, they're alive because of me. I gave Kayla

0:41:50.600 --> 0:41:51.840
<v Speaker 3>a son. He's my boy.

0:41:52.400 --> 0:41:56.440
<v Speaker 1>And it's like it's just really, I mean, you'll tell

0:41:56.520 --> 0:41:57.920
<v Speaker 1>us what the real case, But I don't think you

0:41:57.960 --> 0:42:00.480
<v Speaker 1>ever really get a good sense of like why anyone

0:42:00.520 --> 0:42:03.080
<v Speaker 1>does these kind of things, But it's just it's so sick.

0:42:03.880 --> 0:42:10.000
<v Speaker 1>Barba is considering charging April aka Mo, and they're like,

0:42:10.080 --> 0:42:12.520
<v Speaker 1>she was literally kidnapped at twelve years old and has

0:42:12.520 --> 0:42:15.319
<v Speaker 1>been held by this man like for eighteen years. Like

0:42:15.400 --> 0:42:17.880
<v Speaker 1>she's scared to death and she's a shell of a person,

0:42:18.040 --> 0:42:21.120
<v Speaker 1>Like how could you even consider that? So Barbara kind

0:42:21.120 --> 0:42:24.759
<v Speaker 1>of backs off, and Tomorrow's like when they're they leave

0:42:24.800 --> 0:42:27.440
<v Speaker 1>the interrogation room with Michael Williams, Tomorrow's like, think will

0:42:27.480 --> 0:42:28.040
<v Speaker 1>kill himself?

0:42:28.080 --> 0:42:29.479
<v Speaker 3>And Finn's like, who gives a fuck?

0:42:29.520 --> 0:42:32.360
<v Speaker 1>Like it's just a very funny, little quick interaction between

0:42:32.360 --> 0:42:36.239
<v Speaker 1>those two, and then the whole episode's winding down, like

0:42:36.280 --> 0:42:39.960
<v Speaker 1>now we're at uh Kayla's parents' house and she's in

0:42:40.000 --> 0:42:43.640
<v Speaker 1>the car with Olivia and Buddy and Buddy's asleep and

0:42:43.640 --> 0:42:45.279
<v Speaker 1>they can't get out of the car just yet because

0:42:45.280 --> 0:42:46.000
<v Speaker 1>the press.

0:42:45.760 --> 0:42:47.919
<v Speaker 3>Is like swarming around them and they're waiting to kind

0:42:47.920 --> 0:42:48.800
<v Speaker 3>of like move them.

0:42:49.320 --> 0:42:51.120
<v Speaker 1>And they have this really sweet scene that's like a

0:42:51.160 --> 0:42:52.600
<v Speaker 1>heart to heart and she's like, are.

0:42:52.440 --> 0:42:55.040
<v Speaker 3>We ever going to be normal? Is Buddy gonna be okay?

0:42:55.160 --> 0:43:00.319
<v Speaker 1>Like he doesn't even have a name, like and Olivia said, like,

0:43:00.400 --> 0:43:03.480
<v Speaker 1>I think people who have gone through unfair, horrific experiences

0:43:04.280 --> 0:43:06.239
<v Speaker 1>is that they have this will and when they get

0:43:06.280 --> 0:43:09.440
<v Speaker 1>support and they get a chance, they cannot only survive,

0:43:09.520 --> 0:43:11.640
<v Speaker 1>they can thrive. And that's like a callback to what

0:43:11.800 --> 0:43:14.360
<v Speaker 1>she talked about how she wasn't thriving earlier in the episode,

0:43:14.400 --> 0:43:18.160
<v Speaker 1>I think. And then Kayla's like, thank you, Olivia Benson.

0:43:18.560 --> 0:43:20.399
<v Speaker 1>You are the patron saint of all that is good

0:43:20.400 --> 0:43:22.120
<v Speaker 1>in the world. And she gets out of the car

0:43:22.160 --> 0:43:25.680
<v Speaker 1>with Buddy, and in the final scene of the episode,

0:43:25.719 --> 0:43:27.920
<v Speaker 1>Olivia has agreed to go back to therapy, and when

0:43:27.920 --> 0:43:30.120
<v Speaker 1>the doctor asks her, how have you been, she goes

0:43:30.560 --> 0:43:35.560
<v Speaker 1>better and that's dick wolf baby who Okay, Wow, It's

0:43:35.640 --> 0:43:38.440
<v Speaker 1>like it's I it's such a fucked up episode, but

0:43:38.480 --> 0:43:39.479
<v Speaker 1>I know that the true Crime.

0:43:39.600 --> 0:43:41.680
<v Speaker 3>I'm I've heard so much about it and it's so

0:43:41.800 --> 0:43:42.880
<v Speaker 3>fuck even more fucked up.

0:43:42.920 --> 0:43:46.200
<v Speaker 1>So I'm you got a big task ahead of you, Lisa,

0:43:46.239 --> 0:43:47.239
<v Speaker 1>and I know you're gonna kill it.

0:43:47.360 --> 0:43:49.719
<v Speaker 2>I do, And I think you'll be shocked at like

0:43:50.080 --> 0:43:51.560
<v Speaker 2>these mental narcissists.

0:43:51.600 --> 0:44:05.600
<v Speaker 3>Guys. Yeah, we'll be right back. Okay, welcome back to

0:44:05.680 --> 0:44:06.160
<v Speaker 3>the news.

0:44:06.640 --> 0:44:11.800
<v Speaker 2>So this is happening in Cleveland, in like the Tremont area,

0:44:12.239 --> 0:44:17.200
<v Speaker 2>and I've stayed a mile away from where this took place. Yeah,

0:44:17.239 --> 0:44:19.200
<v Speaker 2>my friend used to live in the neighborhood with this

0:44:19.320 --> 0:44:22.120
<v Speaker 2>girl she had, well one of my old dog best friends, Rebel.

0:44:22.200 --> 0:44:24.839
<v Speaker 2>There were chickens in the back, and I stayed there.

0:44:24.840 --> 0:44:26.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he got to live in a house for

0:44:26.040 --> 0:44:31.239
<v Speaker 2>two hundred dollars, so this is I guess it's an

0:44:31.280 --> 0:44:33.440
<v Speaker 2>affordable place to be, but I just can't believe I

0:44:33.480 --> 0:44:35.400
<v Speaker 2>was there. I stayed in a hostel in this area,

0:44:36.600 --> 0:44:41.280
<v Speaker 2>partied all night, so it is kind of it's extra creepy.

0:44:41.800 --> 0:44:43.640
<v Speaker 2>So the you know, the bad guy, we all know

0:44:43.760 --> 0:44:46.560
<v Speaker 2>Ariel Castro. He's fifty two and I guess for weeks

0:44:46.560 --> 0:44:49.880
<v Speaker 2>I have been calling him able, so that might happen.

0:44:50.400 --> 0:44:50.839
<v Speaker 3>We'll see.

0:44:51.800 --> 0:44:53.520
<v Speaker 2>And you know, at the time of his apprehension, he

0:44:53.600 --> 0:44:57.400
<v Speaker 2>was unemployed and the house he kept the woman captive

0:44:57.480 --> 0:44:59.200
<v Speaker 2>in was in foreclosure.

0:44:59.560 --> 0:45:02.160
<v Speaker 3>So focus on your life. You don't need any extra

0:45:02.200 --> 0:45:03.080
<v Speaker 3>people in there.

0:45:02.920 --> 0:45:05.120
<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean, Like, you don't have your

0:45:05.120 --> 0:45:08.560
<v Speaker 1>shit together, bro, So that was annoying. But he was

0:45:08.600 --> 0:45:11.640
<v Speaker 1>a school bus driver for two decades, which is chilling

0:45:11.800 --> 0:45:15.440
<v Speaker 1>that you can be this evil and ride around with

0:45:15.560 --> 0:45:17.120
<v Speaker 1>children all day waiting for.

0:45:17.040 --> 0:45:18.320
<v Speaker 3>Your next victim.

0:45:19.160 --> 0:45:22.560
<v Speaker 2>And he but he was fired for having three disciplinary problems,

0:45:22.719 --> 0:45:27.520
<v Speaker 2>and so he is a loser. He had a first

0:45:27.560 --> 0:45:30.480
<v Speaker 2>wife who had full custody of the kids, but he

0:45:31.000 --> 0:45:33.560
<v Speaker 2>was frequently known for abducting.

0:45:32.960 --> 0:45:35.239
<v Speaker 3>The kids and keeping them away from their mother.

0:45:36.200 --> 0:45:39.160
<v Speaker 2>So he was doing shady shit that he shouldn't have

0:45:39.200 --> 0:45:42.120
<v Speaker 2>gotten away with. And while there were together, there was

0:45:42.200 --> 0:45:45.120
<v Speaker 2>some domestic violence in the home. She suffered a broken nose,

0:45:45.400 --> 0:45:50.719
<v Speaker 2>ribs and two dislocated shoulders. So the signs were there

0:45:50.760 --> 0:45:53.120
<v Speaker 2>that maybe he shouldn't be in public and maybe should

0:45:53.120 --> 0:45:54.759
<v Speaker 2>be surveillanced at all times.

0:45:54.880 --> 0:45:55.719
<v Speaker 3>Like what the fuck?

0:45:56.719 --> 0:46:01.280
<v Speaker 2>And he was a gross person, nasty, dirty, and that's

0:46:01.320 --> 0:46:05.239
<v Speaker 2>that I hate him. His cousin said that he built

0:46:05.320 --> 0:46:08.000
<v Speaker 2>himself a shack in the living room and slept inside

0:46:08.040 --> 0:46:10.000
<v Speaker 2>of it to save money on heat.

0:46:10.400 --> 0:46:11.680
<v Speaker 3>Wow, that's the thing.

0:46:11.719 --> 0:46:14.239
<v Speaker 2>It's like, how can someone so dumb and careless get

0:46:14.239 --> 0:46:16.919
<v Speaker 2>away with a crime for over a decade. Like That's

0:46:16.960 --> 0:46:19.480
<v Speaker 2>what's confusing to me, because we kind of build up

0:46:19.520 --> 0:46:23.399
<v Speaker 2>these serial killer or like these these evil people as

0:46:24.040 --> 0:46:28.600
<v Speaker 2>geniuses and meticulous and like dexter style, and they're this

0:46:28.680 --> 0:46:30.799
<v Speaker 2>guy's a fucking loser, you know.

0:46:30.920 --> 0:46:33.040
<v Speaker 3>He's not like all those Virgo serial killers.

0:46:33.360 --> 0:46:37.440
<v Speaker 1>They're organized, yeah.

0:46:36.160 --> 0:46:41.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but to me, it's like you schlub, piece of shit. Yeah.

0:46:41.480 --> 0:46:46.600
<v Speaker 2>So the three victims of Ariel Castro is Amanda Barry

0:46:46.840 --> 0:46:48.440
<v Speaker 2>and she was held for ten years.

0:46:49.160 --> 0:46:52.560
<v Speaker 1>So then it's Gina Dijesuss and she was held for

0:46:52.640 --> 0:46:56.040
<v Speaker 1>nine years. And Michelle Knight and she was held for

0:46:56.080 --> 0:46:59.799
<v Speaker 1>eleven years. All three of these women were acquaintances of

0:47:00.080 --> 0:47:04.160
<v Speaker 1>Astro's children, and that's how he was able to kind

0:47:04.200 --> 0:47:08.160
<v Speaker 1>of have their trust because they were friends with his daughter,

0:47:08.239 --> 0:47:10.879
<v Speaker 1>you know, his daughter. So Michelle was just twenty one

0:47:10.960 --> 0:47:13.080
<v Speaker 1>years old and she was lured into the house with

0:47:13.120 --> 0:47:15.160
<v Speaker 1>the offer of a puppy for her young son.

0:47:15.640 --> 0:47:19.120
<v Speaker 2>Basically, she was like on her way to a custody

0:47:19.200 --> 0:47:20.440
<v Speaker 2>hearing for her son.

0:47:21.000 --> 0:47:22.880
<v Speaker 3>There was problems in her own life.

0:47:22.920 --> 0:47:26.120
<v Speaker 2>She's kind of like the one that they thought was

0:47:26.160 --> 0:47:29.239
<v Speaker 2>just to run away in the SVU episode, like there

0:47:29.280 --> 0:47:31.440
<v Speaker 2>was less care for her. This woman got less pressed

0:47:31.440 --> 0:47:34.399
<v Speaker 2>when she went missing. She had it rough.

0:47:34.440 --> 0:47:37.120
<v Speaker 1>She was abused in the home, but she was trying

0:47:37.200 --> 0:47:40.000
<v Speaker 1>to get to court for a custody hearing for her son,

0:47:40.040 --> 0:47:41.400
<v Speaker 1>and she missed it and it was just kind of

0:47:41.400 --> 0:47:44.680
<v Speaker 1>this wild thing. And he saw her there and she

0:47:44.800 --> 0:47:48.239
<v Speaker 1>was asking for directions outside of a family dollar. So

0:47:48.280 --> 0:47:50.280
<v Speaker 1>we offered her a ride and she said yes.

0:47:50.120 --> 0:47:52.879
<v Speaker 2>Because she knew his daughter and she was like yeah,

0:47:52.920 --> 0:47:54.480
<v Speaker 2>and he goes, you know, I have this puppy. Maybe

0:47:54.480 --> 0:47:56.680
<v Speaker 2>her son would like a puppy. So she goes, yeah,

0:47:56.920 --> 0:47:59.600
<v Speaker 2>I'll check out this puppy. So once inside the home,

0:47:59.680 --> 0:48:03.120
<v Speaker 2>her with an extension cord dragged her to the basement.

0:48:03.640 --> 0:48:06.440
<v Speaker 2>He forced a motorcycle helmet over her head and then

0:48:06.560 --> 0:48:10.799
<v Speaker 2>raped her. Jesus and this motorcycle helmet is like kind

0:48:10.840 --> 0:48:13.680
<v Speaker 2>of a running theme. It's he raped the women in

0:48:13.719 --> 0:48:14.640
<v Speaker 2>this helmet often.

0:48:15.320 --> 0:48:17.879
<v Speaker 3>He also snapped the neck of the puppy he used

0:48:17.880 --> 0:48:19.439
<v Speaker 3>to lure her in front of her.

0:48:20.040 --> 0:48:22.160
<v Speaker 1>Well, this man can't afford to feed a puppy, I'm

0:48:22.160 --> 0:48:26.520
<v Speaker 1>sure no. It's like it's sadistic, that's the thing. It's

0:48:26.560 --> 0:48:30.400
<v Speaker 1>like this loser and he's sadistic and this shit gets

0:48:30.800 --> 0:48:33.800
<v Speaker 1>it's just very twisted. He also ripped up her only

0:48:33.840 --> 0:48:36.560
<v Speaker 1>picture of her son, Joey and said you will never

0:48:36.600 --> 0:48:41.799
<v Speaker 1>see him again. So it's just like obviously he's bad,

0:48:41.840 --> 0:48:44.440
<v Speaker 1>but he's like mean I just it's a lot. So

0:48:44.560 --> 0:48:47.840
<v Speaker 1>during her imprisonment, her son was adopted out to another family,

0:48:48.040 --> 0:48:50.520
<v Speaker 1>and just so you guys know, as of twenty eighteen,

0:48:51.360 --> 0:48:53.239
<v Speaker 1>like she has them have direct contact with him, but

0:48:53.320 --> 0:48:55.279
<v Speaker 1>she gets sent pictures and hopes to meet one day.

0:48:55.400 --> 0:48:59.040
<v Speaker 3>So oh, that's so heartbreaking. I need her to meet him.

0:48:59.200 --> 0:49:02.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but the's on, you know, got adopted to a

0:49:02.640 --> 0:49:05.880
<v Speaker 2>nice family. So eight months later, in April two thousand

0:49:05.880 --> 0:49:09.200
<v Speaker 2>and three, he abducted Amanda Barry, and she was sixteen

0:49:09.280 --> 0:49:12.480
<v Speaker 2>years old. She was last seen leaving her job at

0:49:12.520 --> 0:49:16.640
<v Speaker 2>the local burger king on April twenty first, and she

0:49:16.719 --> 0:49:19.000
<v Speaker 2>later in an interview for twenty twenty, said how she

0:49:19.040 --> 0:49:21.160
<v Speaker 2>wanted to call off that day because her birthday was

0:49:21.200 --> 0:49:24.400
<v Speaker 2>the next day, and so she constantly thinks like, what

0:49:24.440 --> 0:49:26.000
<v Speaker 2>if I just didn't go to work that day? Why,

0:49:26.200 --> 0:49:30.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, and it's yeah, what ifs. So he offered

0:49:30.640 --> 0:49:32.200
<v Speaker 2>her a ride to his house to meet up with

0:49:32.239 --> 0:49:34.399
<v Speaker 2>his daughter, who she knew. She was like, okay, yeah,

0:49:34.800 --> 0:49:37.600
<v Speaker 2>So he took Barry upstairs and showed her this mystery

0:49:37.640 --> 0:49:40.240
<v Speaker 2>woman sleeping in a bedroom in front of a TV set,

0:49:40.480 --> 0:49:43.439
<v Speaker 2>and that woman ended up being Michelle Knight. He took

0:49:43.480 --> 0:49:45.440
<v Speaker 2>her to a closet off of one of the rooms

0:49:45.480 --> 0:49:48.760
<v Speaker 2>and told her to take her pants off, and she remembers.

0:49:48.360 --> 0:49:50.400
<v Speaker 3>Like she was like, oh fuck, this is not going

0:49:50.480 --> 0:49:50.919
<v Speaker 3>to be good.

0:49:51.600 --> 0:49:53.640
<v Speaker 2>And he took her to the basement, taped her wrists

0:49:53.640 --> 0:49:56.440
<v Speaker 2>and ankles, put a belt around her ankles over the tape,

0:49:56.600 --> 0:49:58.879
<v Speaker 2>put a helmet over her head, and said, don't make

0:49:58.920 --> 0:50:00.480
<v Speaker 2>any noise and I'll take you you home.

0:50:01.239 --> 0:50:03.600
<v Speaker 3>But then he obviously did not do that. He changed

0:50:03.600 --> 0:50:04.399
<v Speaker 3>her to a pole in.

0:50:04.360 --> 0:50:07.320
<v Speaker 2>The basement, shut the lights off, and left the TV on.

0:50:07.320 --> 0:50:10.560
<v Speaker 2>One week after her abduction, he used her cell phone

0:50:10.600 --> 0:50:14.879
<v Speaker 2>to call her family and taunt them. The FBI had

0:50:14.960 --> 0:50:17.600
<v Speaker 2>just started to develop technology that could track a cell

0:50:17.600 --> 0:50:20.200
<v Speaker 2>phone's location if it was turned on, and so they

0:50:20.239 --> 0:50:22.640
<v Speaker 2>were able to narrow down the area to a thirty

0:50:22.719 --> 0:50:26.680
<v Speaker 2>or forty block surface area or whatever perimeter.

0:50:27.320 --> 0:50:29.200
<v Speaker 3>But he never used the phone.

0:50:28.960 --> 0:50:30.640
<v Speaker 2>Again, and he couldn't get on and so they couldn't

0:50:30.640 --> 0:50:33.320
<v Speaker 2>get info. So you know how like those old nineties

0:50:33.360 --> 0:50:37.239
<v Speaker 2>thrillers we make fun of, like keep them on the line. Yeah, yeah,

0:50:37.320 --> 0:50:39.839
<v Speaker 2>they just didn't have the technology. And he taunted them

0:50:39.880 --> 0:50:43.480
<v Speaker 2>once and never turned it on again. And this is

0:50:43.600 --> 0:50:45.920
<v Speaker 2>just kind of like, you know when men are like,

0:50:45.960 --> 0:50:48.440
<v Speaker 2>but I have daughters, and it's like, yeah, that means nothing.

0:50:48.920 --> 0:50:50.560
<v Speaker 3>You could still be a terrible person.

0:50:50.640 --> 0:50:54.040
<v Speaker 2>And Ariel Castro is the example of that, like he

0:50:54.160 --> 0:50:56.359
<v Speaker 2>not only had a daughter, but used having a daughter

0:50:56.400 --> 0:50:59.520
<v Speaker 2>to lure women in that he then kept hostage. So

0:51:00.400 --> 0:51:04.239
<v Speaker 2>just that's why it's so extra annoying when guys are like,

0:51:04.280 --> 0:51:05.680
<v Speaker 2>but I have a wife and sisters.

0:51:05.800 --> 0:51:09.520
<v Speaker 3>It's like, none of that matters. Go fuck yourself. Yeah.

0:51:09.600 --> 0:51:13.400
<v Speaker 2>So Gina Dejeesus was fourteen at the time of the kidnapping,

0:51:13.440 --> 0:51:15.560
<v Speaker 2>and he enticed her into his car in two thousand

0:51:15.600 --> 0:51:19.200
<v Speaker 2>and four by asking her for help in finding his daughter,

0:51:19.239 --> 0:51:21.439
<v Speaker 2>who was a friend of Gina's. He was like, hey,

0:51:21.480 --> 0:51:23.759
<v Speaker 2>I can't find my daughter. She's been like run around.

0:51:23.800 --> 0:51:25.480
<v Speaker 2>Can you help me find her? And she was like,

0:51:25.560 --> 0:51:28.880
<v Speaker 2>of course, And this is a little aside, a little

0:51:29.080 --> 0:51:32.080
<v Speaker 2>uplifting moment. But I pulled a prank like this because

0:51:32.120 --> 0:51:34.120
<v Speaker 2>I used to be a party animal. So my friend

0:51:34.239 --> 0:51:36.799
<v Speaker 2>Ze picked up my friend Gary and I hid in

0:51:36.840 --> 0:51:39.040
<v Speaker 2>the back seat under all these blankets, and she was like,

0:51:39.440 --> 0:51:40.359
<v Speaker 2>we got into a fight.

0:51:40.480 --> 0:51:42.480
<v Speaker 3>She ran off, but she's waste, so you have to end.

0:51:42.520 --> 0:51:45.040
<v Speaker 2>They were like talking about trying to find me, and

0:51:45.080 --> 0:51:47.640
<v Speaker 2>then I put my hand up in the side and

0:51:47.680 --> 0:51:50.760
<v Speaker 2>like grabbed his face and I was like a ghost

0:51:50.840 --> 0:51:51.600
<v Speaker 2>and scared him.

0:51:51.680 --> 0:51:55.600
<v Speaker 3>So that was just a fun prank and he was

0:51:55.880 --> 0:51:57.400
<v Speaker 3>unfortunately this was not a prank.

0:51:57.480 --> 0:52:01.279
<v Speaker 2>No no, but I liked scaring my friend.

0:52:01.440 --> 0:52:01.760
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

0:52:01.800 --> 0:52:04.319
<v Speaker 2>So back to the House of Horrors. So he took

0:52:04.320 --> 0:52:05.920
<v Speaker 2>her to the house and he asked for help with

0:52:05.960 --> 0:52:08.799
<v Speaker 2>the stereo. He's like, hey, can you help me, like

0:52:09.120 --> 0:52:11.480
<v Speaker 2>bring the stereo inside the house I bought for my daughter.

0:52:11.880 --> 0:52:14.240
<v Speaker 2>Later in an interview, Gina said that she was unnerved

0:52:14.239 --> 0:52:17.200
<v Speaker 2>by his bizarre behavior, like he was fixing his eyebrows

0:52:17.200 --> 0:52:21.040
<v Speaker 2>and trimming his mustache, cutting nose hairs. So he started

0:52:21.080 --> 0:52:22.799
<v Speaker 2>to touch her and she's like, what are you doing, bro?

0:52:22.880 --> 0:52:24.840
<v Speaker 2>You can go to jail, Like you shouldn't be touching me.

0:52:24.880 --> 0:52:30.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm under age, but she's fourteen, yes, and so he goes, ugh, fine, party, pooper,

0:52:30.920 --> 0:52:34.120
<v Speaker 1>I will take you home. But unfortunately we can't leave

0:52:34.239 --> 0:52:36.680
<v Speaker 1>through the door we came in through, and so he

0:52:36.800 --> 0:52:38.880
<v Speaker 1>led her to the basement and that's where he grabbed

0:52:38.880 --> 0:52:42.000
<v Speaker 1>her and chained her up. So the chains weren't tight

0:52:42.120 --> 0:52:44.239
<v Speaker 1>and she was able to throw them over and tried

0:52:44.280 --> 0:52:46.080
<v Speaker 1>to run, but he sat on her back and she

0:52:46.160 --> 0:52:48.280
<v Speaker 1>fought and fought but couldn't get away, and the radio

0:52:48.360 --> 0:52:49.960
<v Speaker 1>was too loud for anybody to hear her.

0:52:50.480 --> 0:52:51.799
<v Speaker 3>And that was that.

0:52:52.800 --> 0:52:54.840
<v Speaker 1>And she said that he would take her hair and

0:52:54.880 --> 0:52:56.760
<v Speaker 1>put it in his mouth and it was really gross.

0:52:57.000 --> 0:53:00.760
<v Speaker 3>Oh god. Yeah, so that's a detail.

0:53:00.880 --> 0:53:03.359
<v Speaker 2>I guess I didn't have to add, but we should

0:53:03.440 --> 0:53:07.520
<v Speaker 2>know what these women went through. Yeah, so, since she

0:53:07.680 --> 0:53:10.480
<v Speaker 2>was new, she did become his favorite. We saw that

0:53:10.520 --> 0:53:13.400
<v Speaker 2>in the s few episode about favoritism. And so she

0:53:13.480 --> 0:53:15.360
<v Speaker 2>seemed to have the nicer room and he was just

0:53:15.440 --> 0:53:17.200
<v Speaker 2>kind of nicer to her, and that caused issues with

0:53:17.239 --> 0:53:19.280
<v Speaker 2>the other girls and they would feel jealous because everyone

0:53:19.360 --> 0:53:22.920
<v Speaker 2>had so little. And what's fucked up on top of

0:53:22.960 --> 0:53:25.160
<v Speaker 2>all of this is they were all held less than

0:53:25.239 --> 0:53:28.759
<v Speaker 2>five miles from the neighborhood on Lorraine Avenue where all

0:53:28.760 --> 0:53:29.880
<v Speaker 2>three of them disappeared.

0:53:30.719 --> 0:53:33.480
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, so truly.

0:53:33.160 --> 0:53:37.520
<v Speaker 2>Within He would go to the vigils on the anniversary

0:53:37.560 --> 0:53:39.880
<v Speaker 2>of the women's disappearances.

0:53:39.560 --> 0:53:42.480
<v Speaker 1>And nobody was like, Hey, this dirty, nasty man who

0:53:42.560 --> 0:53:44.640
<v Speaker 1>lives in a shock in the middle of his living room.

0:53:44.560 --> 0:53:48.760
<v Speaker 3>For heat could be the guy Wow. Yeah.

0:53:49.360 --> 0:53:52.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean the town of Cleveland and the neighbor like

0:53:53.000 --> 0:53:55.759
<v Speaker 2>everyone is very disappointed in the police in this and

0:53:55.800 --> 0:53:58.160
<v Speaker 2>there was just there was a giant, fifty four page

0:53:58.160 --> 0:54:02.000
<v Speaker 2>investigation in to the Cleveland Police department because this was

0:54:02.280 --> 0:54:04.880
<v Speaker 2>around the same time or close to with like Tamir

0:54:04.960 --> 0:54:07.440
<v Speaker 2>Rice and there was another incident and the police there

0:54:07.440 --> 0:54:10.920
<v Speaker 2>were fucking up a lot. But definitely the citizens of

0:54:10.960 --> 0:54:14.319
<v Speaker 2>Cleveland thought that the police should have could have and like,

0:54:15.280 --> 0:54:16.160
<v Speaker 2>what what do you mean you.

0:54:16.160 --> 0:54:16.879
<v Speaker 3>Couldn't find them?

0:54:16.880 --> 0:54:19.320
<v Speaker 2>They were within five miles of where they were taken,

0:54:19.880 --> 0:54:22.840
<v Speaker 2>Like was there no CCTV footage outside of Burger Kings?

0:54:22.880 --> 0:54:25.480
<v Speaker 3>Like what the fuck happened? That there was no evidence

0:54:25.800 --> 0:54:28.200
<v Speaker 3>or what to all three of the victims have in common.

0:54:28.480 --> 0:54:34.080
<v Speaker 1>They all know this daughter, Yeah, no Ariel Castro's daughter, Yeah,

0:54:34.400 --> 0:54:35.759
<v Speaker 1>I don't think they And then you.

0:54:35.760 --> 0:54:38.399
<v Speaker 3>Know, especially with Michelle, like they were like whatever, she's

0:54:38.400 --> 0:54:41.960
<v Speaker 3>a runaway, we don't care and we find Yeah, the

0:54:41.960 --> 0:54:43.319
<v Speaker 3>police were terrible in it.

0:54:43.600 --> 0:54:45.920
<v Speaker 2>I did not read the full report, but there was

0:54:45.960 --> 0:54:51.439
<v Speaker 2>like a full investigation done to the police departments. But yeah,

0:54:51.480 --> 0:54:54.319
<v Speaker 2>so there was like a full investigation and report done

0:54:54.440 --> 0:54:58.440
<v Speaker 2>on these failed police officers, which I'm sure all working

0:54:58.520 --> 0:54:59.360
<v Speaker 2>and feel nothing.

0:54:59.640 --> 0:55:01.800
<v Speaker 3>So so yeah, he went to these vigils.

0:55:01.840 --> 0:55:04.720
<v Speaker 2>He brought home the missing posters and showed the women

0:55:04.800 --> 0:55:06.320
<v Speaker 2>television coverage.

0:55:05.920 --> 0:55:07.279
<v Speaker 3>Of their grieving families.

0:55:07.719 --> 0:55:10.279
<v Speaker 2>So fucked up Night's case, like I said, got the

0:55:10.440 --> 0:55:13.240
<v Speaker 2>least amount of attention. She was a strange for her family,

0:55:13.320 --> 0:55:15.680
<v Speaker 2>and she really didn't get much screen time and searching.

0:55:15.760 --> 0:55:18.680
<v Speaker 2>And this is kind of a theme that we've all

0:55:18.800 --> 0:55:21.520
<v Speaker 2>kind of been thrust upon us in the past few

0:55:21.520 --> 0:55:23.759
<v Speaker 2>months in the news of like who gets attention and

0:55:23.800 --> 0:55:25.680
<v Speaker 2>who doesn't on cases.

0:55:26.320 --> 0:55:26.560
<v Speaker 3>Now.

0:55:26.600 --> 0:55:29.440
<v Speaker 2>In the home, he sealed all the windows with closet

0:55:29.440 --> 0:55:33.040
<v Speaker 2>doors and heavy drapes. There was a system of alarms

0:55:33.040 --> 0:55:36.359
<v Speaker 2>attached to the interior of the front door. He fed

0:55:36.400 --> 0:55:38.400
<v Speaker 2>them a single meal a day and forced them to

0:55:38.480 --> 0:55:41.720
<v Speaker 2>use plastic toilets in their room, and then to mark

0:55:41.760 --> 0:55:44.239
<v Speaker 2>the passage of time, he would serve cake for each

0:55:44.280 --> 0:55:46.680
<v Speaker 2>woman's abduction day, like it was their birthday.

0:55:47.120 --> 0:55:50.160
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god. Yeah.

0:55:50.200 --> 0:55:54.400
<v Speaker 2>He kept them in a state of powerlessness through prolonged physical, sexual,

0:55:54.520 --> 0:55:58.200
<v Speaker 2>and psychological violence. He would sometimes pretend to leave the

0:55:58.200 --> 0:56:00.200
<v Speaker 2>house and then sneak back in to make sure they

0:56:00.200 --> 0:56:02.480
<v Speaker 2>were all still there, so they never knew when he

0:56:02.560 --> 0:56:04.960
<v Speaker 2>was actually around or not to any of the people

0:56:04.960 --> 0:56:08.520
<v Speaker 2>that ever say like why didn't you just leave? Just

0:56:08.640 --> 0:56:12.640
<v Speaker 2>more examples of like how much these people went through.

0:56:13.320 --> 0:56:15.359
<v Speaker 2>He said, if he ever caught them trying to leave

0:56:15.440 --> 0:56:17.080
<v Speaker 2>or get out, he would obviously kill them.

0:56:17.840 --> 0:56:19.120
<v Speaker 3>And at first he kept.

0:56:18.880 --> 0:56:21.880
<v Speaker 2>The women like very divided and didn't perdmit them to talk.

0:56:22.000 --> 0:56:24.360
<v Speaker 2>And for punishment he would confine them in the cold

0:56:24.400 --> 0:56:26.800
<v Speaker 2>basement or the sweltering attic.

0:56:27.480 --> 0:56:28.919
<v Speaker 3>And then for rewards.

0:56:28.960 --> 0:56:31.360
<v Speaker 2>These are rewards they got was a trip to the

0:56:31.400 --> 0:56:33.320
<v Speaker 2>toilet and an occasional shower.

0:56:33.840 --> 0:56:34.640
<v Speaker 4>Oh my god.

0:56:35.880 --> 0:56:38.799
<v Speaker 2>But every reward came with a price, so if you had,

0:56:39.120 --> 0:56:40.920
<v Speaker 2>like if you got a shower, you had to shower

0:56:40.960 --> 0:56:44.480
<v Speaker 2>with him. Barry said that she had to numb herself

0:56:44.480 --> 0:56:46.920
<v Speaker 2>to cope with the sexual abuse, and that you just

0:56:47.000 --> 0:56:50.120
<v Speaker 2>like put your mind somewhere else so that you're not there.

0:56:50.640 --> 0:56:52.800
<v Speaker 3>So that was just a comment.

0:56:53.120 --> 0:56:55.840
<v Speaker 2>Barry used a code to record how many times he

0:56:55.920 --> 0:56:59.000
<v Speaker 2>raped her each day in her diary in hopes that

0:56:59.040 --> 0:57:01.640
<v Speaker 2>one day it could be used as evidence and he

0:57:01.680 --> 0:57:03.320
<v Speaker 2>could be in trouble.

0:57:03.400 --> 0:57:04.480
<v Speaker 3>For each count.

0:57:05.320 --> 0:57:07.880
<v Speaker 2>He used ninety two pounds of locks and chains to

0:57:07.960 --> 0:57:11.160
<v Speaker 2>restrain the women as their years as prisoners. The women

0:57:11.239 --> 0:57:13.080
<v Speaker 2>only left the house twice and it was only for

0:57:13.239 --> 0:57:18.480
<v Speaker 2>brief visits to the adjacent garage. So the garage is

0:57:18.520 --> 0:57:22.240
<v Speaker 2>as far as they went in their lives for a decade.

0:57:22.920 --> 0:57:23.520
<v Speaker 3>Give her take.

0:57:23.920 --> 0:57:26.160
<v Speaker 2>The women were changed in the basement, but then eventually

0:57:26.200 --> 0:57:28.080
<v Speaker 2>we're freed from the chains and we're allowed to live

0:57:28.160 --> 0:57:32.200
<v Speaker 2>upstairs on the second floor. This is so Amanda Barry

0:57:32.200 --> 0:57:35.520
<v Speaker 2>would watch the Montell Williams show and there, do you

0:57:35.560 --> 0:57:37.720
<v Speaker 2>remember the psychic Sylvia Brown?

0:57:38.640 --> 0:57:39.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it sounds familiar.

0:57:40.160 --> 0:57:43.760
<v Speaker 2>So so she's watching Montel. She always thought about the

0:57:43.760 --> 0:57:46.320
<v Speaker 2>psychic and hopefully whatever. One day, her mother was on

0:57:46.360 --> 0:57:49.000
<v Speaker 2>the Montel Williams Show to ask about her daughter, and

0:57:49.040 --> 0:57:50.840
<v Speaker 2>this fucking psychic told her that the.

0:57:50.880 --> 0:57:53.040
<v Speaker 3>Daughter was dead. Oh my god.

0:57:53.400 --> 0:57:55.560
<v Speaker 2>So she broke down crying and couldn't believe that the

0:57:55.560 --> 0:57:57.480
<v Speaker 2>psychic did that. So she had to like watch her

0:57:57.520 --> 0:57:59.840
<v Speaker 2>mom cry on Montelle thinking she was dead when she

0:57:59.920 --> 0:58:01.800
<v Speaker 2>was fully alive watching this and chains.

0:58:02.520 --> 0:58:07.400
<v Speaker 3>That's terrible. It's like, that's the thing like very now.

0:58:07.720 --> 0:58:09.720
<v Speaker 1>Maybe I don't know what the statement is, but it

0:58:09.880 --> 0:58:12.760
<v Speaker 1>just sucks when the real case is even more twisted

0:58:12.800 --> 0:58:16.200
<v Speaker 1>than the SVU episode, because that's fiction. And there's writers

0:58:16.200 --> 0:58:21.360
<v Speaker 1>and they're trying to be really you know, cinematic about it.

0:58:21.440 --> 0:58:24.120
<v Speaker 1>And so then for these like little moments that are

0:58:24.120 --> 0:58:29.800
<v Speaker 1>all so bizarre to happen, it's a lot and sad.

0:58:30.040 --> 0:58:32.160
<v Speaker 1>Of course, her mother died before she was freed and

0:58:32.280 --> 0:58:36.200
<v Speaker 1>was never able to see her daughter free. So yeah,

0:58:36.240 --> 0:58:39.160
<v Speaker 1>her mom died of heart failure three years after Barry disappeared.

0:58:39.760 --> 0:58:44.280
<v Speaker 3>Now, he would impregnate Michelle Knight multiple times and then

0:58:44.320 --> 0:58:46.120
<v Speaker 3>he would starve her and punch her in the stomach

0:58:46.160 --> 0:58:50.760
<v Speaker 3>repeatedly until she miskidded. So I constantly would do that

0:58:50.840 --> 0:58:51.120
<v Speaker 3>to her.

0:58:51.280 --> 0:58:54.040
<v Speaker 2>But Amanda Barry was able to keep her baby. She

0:58:54.120 --> 0:58:56.920
<v Speaker 2>found out she was pregnant on her twentieth birthday, and

0:58:56.960 --> 0:58:59.240
<v Speaker 2>so she had a baby. But he would beat the

0:58:59.240 --> 0:59:01.640
<v Speaker 2>shit out of Michelle and force her to miscarry. So

0:59:01.840 --> 0:59:04.720
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what, what the fuck Amanda said. She

0:59:04.800 --> 0:59:07.680
<v Speaker 2>was very terrified, you know, like I barely eat, I'm

0:59:07.760 --> 0:59:09.880
<v Speaker 2>chained to a wall, I use a bucket for a bathroom.

0:59:09.880 --> 0:59:12.720
<v Speaker 2>What the fuck am I gonna do? Amanda Barry delivered

0:59:12.760 --> 0:59:14.640
<v Speaker 2>a baby in the house in a plastic pool, and

0:59:14.680 --> 0:59:20.760
<v Speaker 2>then Michelle Knight was the midwife for it, and he basically.

0:59:20.320 --> 0:59:21.000
<v Speaker 3>Like it's weird.

0:59:21.200 --> 0:59:24.640
<v Speaker 2>It's like Michelle Knight was not allowed like force miscarriage

0:59:24.640 --> 0:59:26.640
<v Speaker 2>and this is forced birth, and it's like which one

0:59:26.680 --> 0:59:30.760
<v Speaker 2>is worse. They're both like so bad And what's.

0:59:30.680 --> 0:59:34.000
<v Speaker 3>Wild is all the neighbors for were like he was

0:59:34.040 --> 0:59:37.200
<v Speaker 3>a regular Joe, We chatted, we waved hello, like no

0:59:37.240 --> 0:59:43.640
<v Speaker 3>one really got these vibes from him, even though I mean, yeah,

0:59:43.720 --> 0:59:45.400
<v Speaker 3>no one got the vibes from him. Any Yeah, they

0:59:45.480 --> 0:59:45.840
<v Speaker 3>put that.

0:59:45.800 --> 0:59:47.880
<v Speaker 1>In an episode too, because there's this guy that's kind

0:59:47.880 --> 0:59:49.880
<v Speaker 1>of like, no, I never saw anything sketchy, like he

0:59:49.920 --> 0:59:50.479
<v Speaker 1>seemed cool.

0:59:50.520 --> 0:59:51.440
<v Speaker 3>We said hey, like.

0:59:51.480 --> 0:59:54.680
<v Speaker 2>You know, yeah, and Michelle said that Ariel told her

0:59:54.720 --> 0:59:58.800
<v Speaker 2>if the baby dies, I'll kill you. So Jocelyn was

0:59:58.800 --> 1:00:02.240
<v Speaker 2>born on Christmas to thousand and six, so Gina said,

1:00:02.280 --> 1:00:04.800
<v Speaker 2>having a child there was actually a great distraction for

1:00:04.880 --> 1:00:07.120
<v Speaker 2>them and they all had something to do, so that

1:00:07.280 --> 1:00:12.320
<v Speaker 2>was kind of nice. Castro instructed them to tell Jocelyn

1:00:12.520 --> 1:00:15.440
<v Speaker 2>that all the chains were bracelets, and then by the

1:00:15.480 --> 1:00:17.560
<v Speaker 2>time she was three, like all the chains kind of

1:00:17.560 --> 1:00:20.640
<v Speaker 2>came off. But the child was never told the names

1:00:20.680 --> 1:00:23.720
<v Speaker 2>of the other women, so like the kid wouldn't say

1:00:23.720 --> 1:00:27.040
<v Speaker 2>their names in public on accident. Oh, my god, and

1:00:27.040 --> 1:00:29.720
<v Speaker 2>a cousin said that he would bring this child around

1:00:29.760 --> 1:00:32.680
<v Speaker 2>and introduce him as his granddaughter, introduce.

1:00:32.320 --> 1:00:35.000
<v Speaker 1>Her, and nobody was like, oh, I never saw your

1:00:35.080 --> 1:00:36.919
<v Speaker 1>daughter pregnant, Like what the fuck?

1:00:37.080 --> 1:00:39.240
<v Speaker 3>Like what the fuck? I just don't. This seems like

1:00:39.320 --> 1:00:39.800
<v Speaker 3>such a.

1:00:39.720 --> 1:00:43.120
<v Speaker 1>Failure of like community of like people knowing what's up

1:00:43.120 --> 1:00:43.880
<v Speaker 1>with other people.

1:00:44.000 --> 1:00:46.560
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, they said, she looked happy and healthy and

1:00:46.640 --> 1:00:49.160
<v Speaker 2>enjoyed her time with granddaddy, and she had clean clothes

1:00:49.200 --> 1:00:52.200
<v Speaker 2>and seemed normal and alert and talked. He was a

1:00:52.240 --> 1:00:55.640
<v Speaker 2>different man around her, and they did really love each other.

1:00:55.880 --> 1:00:58.560
<v Speaker 2>And that made Amanda nervous for sure, because she was

1:00:58.600 --> 1:01:01.760
<v Speaker 2>really scared he would touch her. But yeah, so now

1:01:01.760 --> 1:01:05.080
<v Speaker 2>we're going to get into the escape. So Jocelyn went

1:01:05.120 --> 1:01:08.840
<v Speaker 2>downstairs and didn't see Ariel and was like, I don't

1:01:08.840 --> 1:01:12.120
<v Speaker 2>find daddy. Daddy's nowhere. So Amanda knew that this was

1:01:12.160 --> 1:01:14.560
<v Speaker 2>her chance, like this was her only chance. He's not there,

1:01:14.640 --> 1:01:16.600
<v Speaker 2>So Amanda's like, if I'm going to do it, I

1:01:16.680 --> 1:01:18.800
<v Speaker 2>have to do it now. It was the first time

1:01:18.840 --> 1:01:21.080
<v Speaker 2>in ten years that her bedroom door wasn't locked and

1:01:21.120 --> 1:01:24.400
<v Speaker 2>he wasn't home, so the front door had alarms and

1:01:24.440 --> 1:01:26.960
<v Speaker 2>the storm door was pad locked, but she was able

1:01:27.000 --> 1:01:29.760
<v Speaker 2>to stick an arm out, and Barry said that someone

1:01:29.800 --> 1:01:33.640
<v Speaker 2>passing by outside saw her but did not intervene. So

1:01:33.680 --> 1:01:37.880
<v Speaker 2>someone saw like someone screaming and crying for help, saying

1:01:37.880 --> 1:01:41.800
<v Speaker 2>they've been kidnapped with an arm outside this clear locked

1:01:41.800 --> 1:01:45.480
<v Speaker 2>storm door, and just kept moving. So she was in

1:01:45.520 --> 1:01:47.560
<v Speaker 2>the front by the front, you know, in the front.

1:01:47.360 --> 1:01:49.920
<v Speaker 3>Door area, with this young child, and they're screaming, I

1:01:49.920 --> 1:01:52.280
<v Speaker 3>need help, I need help. I've been kidnapped for ten years.

1:01:52.360 --> 1:01:56.880
<v Speaker 3>So this hero is his name is Charles Ramsey, and

1:01:57.000 --> 1:02:00.720
<v Speaker 3>he got her out and his news interview went viral.

1:02:00.800 --> 1:02:03.880
<v Speaker 1>It has close to ten million views on YouTube. And

1:02:03.960 --> 1:02:08.560
<v Speaker 1>I think, like, what's that TV show Jimmy Schmidt. Yeah,

1:02:08.680 --> 1:02:09.440
<v Speaker 1>The unbreakle YEA.

1:02:09.800 --> 1:02:12.120
<v Speaker 2>So there's like in the credits there's a guy being

1:02:12.160 --> 1:02:15.240
<v Speaker 2>like load as hell or whatever, Like I think.

1:02:15.080 --> 1:02:17.320
<v Speaker 1>It's Mike britt is the guy who does it on

1:02:17.360 --> 1:02:19.320
<v Speaker 1>the show, and he's basically playing this man.

1:02:19.560 --> 1:02:23.760
<v Speaker 2>Yes, so this is really a charismatic man. And in

1:02:23.800 --> 1:02:27.120
<v Speaker 2>the interview he says he couldn't believe it. He saw

1:02:27.160 --> 1:02:30.080
<v Speaker 2>Ariel every single day, he ate ribs with him, played

1:02:30.080 --> 1:02:32.880
<v Speaker 2>in the backyard with the dogs. If you are interested,

1:02:32.880 --> 1:02:35.240
<v Speaker 2>there's a video from twenty nineteen of Charles Ramsey and

1:02:35.240 --> 1:02:37.880
<v Speaker 2>Amanda Berry being reunited if you want to watch that.

1:02:39.080 --> 1:02:42.000
<v Speaker 2>And in the interview, he had a lot of great moments.

1:02:42.040 --> 1:02:44.160
<v Speaker 2>He said, I knew something was really wrong because a

1:02:44.160 --> 1:02:47.200
<v Speaker 2>pretty white woman was running into a strange black man's arms.

1:02:47.400 --> 1:02:51.920
<v Speaker 3>He said, something is wrong here dead giveaway, and the.

1:02:51.920 --> 1:02:54.800
<v Speaker 2>Reporter is like trying not to laugh, but it's true,

1:02:54.840 --> 1:02:58.080
<v Speaker 2>Like this white woman is running into this man's arms.

1:02:58.120 --> 1:03:00.160
<v Speaker 2>I love and he was He's like, yeah, I was

1:03:00.160 --> 1:03:02.400
<v Speaker 2>just eating McDonald's and I heard those girls screaming.

1:03:03.320 --> 1:03:04.680
<v Speaker 3>So the two neighbors heard that.

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<v Speaker 2>They freed her by kicking in the chained front door

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<v Speaker 2>and helped her make the nine one one call. The

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<v Speaker 2>dispatcher said that the woman who called said, I'm Amanda

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<v Speaker 2>Barry and I have been kidnapped for ten years.

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<v Speaker 3>Angel Cardero was.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the other men that helped Barry escape, and

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<v Speaker 2>he said that her clothes were dirty, her teeth yellowed,

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<v Speaker 2>her hair's super messy.

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<v Speaker 3>And the kid looked really nervous.

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<v Speaker 2>Barry said that even with the cops all around and

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<v Speaker 2>so many people, she was still terrified he would hurt

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<v Speaker 2>her and still doesn't know why he left that day

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<v Speaker 2>with the door unlocked, But he did leave, and he

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<v Speaker 2>left the door unlocked, and he went to go have

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<v Speaker 2>a meal with his family.

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<v Speaker 3>So I don't know if he was testing them or

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<v Speaker 3>was a mistake, or if he was drunk or he

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what it was.

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<v Speaker 1>And I wonder, like his family never came over for

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<v Speaker 1>ten years, like no one ever came into the house

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<v Speaker 1>for ten years, and like saw these I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>It's like so nuts.

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<v Speaker 3>Gina said.

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<v Speaker 2>It took her a while to get out because you

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<v Speaker 2>didn't even believe the police were really there. She legit

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<v Speaker 2>was thinking maybe it's people in costumes. This is what

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<v Speaker 2>that damage can do to a person. Gina said when

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<v Speaker 2>she told the cops her name, that their face completely dropped,

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<v Speaker 2>like they saw a ghost. And like I said, Cleveland's

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<v Speaker 2>pissed that the detectives didn't do enough work there. So

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<v Speaker 2>he was charged initially with four counts of kidnapping and

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<v Speaker 2>three counts.

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<v Speaker 3>Of rape, and bail was set at eight million dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>There were two other men arrested in connection to the

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<v Speaker 2>case that were his brothers, Pedro and O'Neil, but nothing

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<v Speaker 2>really came about with them. Thursday, August first, three months

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<v Speaker 2>after her rescue, Michelle Night goes to confront her abductor

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<v Speaker 2>in court, and she was the only one of the

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<v Speaker 2>victims who made a statement. The other two victims had

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<v Speaker 2>representatives from their family who read statements on their behalf.

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<v Speaker 2>Amanda Barry's sister, Beth Serrano, asked for privacy so that

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<v Speaker 2>like the six year old daughter Barry delivered in captivity,

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<v Speaker 2>would not learn about the circumstances of our birth in

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<v Speaker 2>the news media.

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<v Speaker 3>So they just needed some privacy.

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<v Speaker 2>Beth said, Listen, Amanda could not control a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>things for a long time.

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<v Speaker 3>Please let her control this. I'm sure that no one

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<v Speaker 3>left her alone. But it's wow, a very succinct, well

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<v Speaker 3>said sentence.

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<v Speaker 2>Beth maybe was an English major. Michelle said that the

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<v Speaker 2>days never got shorter. Days turned into nights, nights turned

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<v Speaker 2>into days, that years turned into eternity, and she got

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<v Speaker 2>some shade into She said, you took eleven years of

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<v Speaker 2>my life away. I spent eleven years in hell. Now

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<v Speaker 2>your hell.

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<v Speaker 3>Is just beginning. She spoke about horror.

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<v Speaker 2>Bond's with the other women was the only thing that

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<v Speaker 2>gave her a sliver of hope. Castro had a statement

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<v Speaker 2>to The New York Times said that they called his

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<v Speaker 2>statement mostly rambling. He denied that he was violent or

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<v Speaker 2>he had ever raped or beaten Michelle or the other women.

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<v Speaker 2>He legit said, people are trying to portray me as

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<v Speaker 2>a monster, and I'm not a monster. I'm just sick.

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<v Speaker 2>Fuck you, you hate women. The prosecutor in the case,

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<v Speaker 2>Timothy J. Mca, said the experts did not find any

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<v Speaker 2>indication that he is mentally ill, and that he blames everyone,

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<v Speaker 2>even the victims, and has no remorse. He claimed all

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<v Speaker 2>the sex was consensual in that house and that there

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<v Speaker 2>was like a harmony in their home. So Judge Russo

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<v Speaker 2>responded to him with a sick burn and was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure there's anyone in America who will agree

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<v Speaker 2>with you.

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<v Speaker 3>None of these burns are actually that good. But I

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<v Speaker 3>guess for the court of law, it's exciting.

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<v Speaker 2>He was sent to life in prison without the possibility

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<v Speaker 2>of parole, and then plus one thousand years. He pled

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<v Speaker 2>guilty to nine hundred and thirty seven charges.

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<v Speaker 1>At least he pled guilty so that the girls didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have to go to court, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, he wasn't really thinking about them.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, well no, I'm not saying he did a service.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just saying I'm glad it happened that way.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, And the punishment was the result of a plea deal.

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<v Speaker 2>So Castro and the prosecutors made a deal that would

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<v Speaker 2>allow him to avoid.

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<v Speaker 3>A possible death sentence if he pled guilty.

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<v Speaker 2>He also had no expression on his face when the

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<v Speaker 2>sentence was read to him by Judge Michael J.

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<v Speaker 3>Brusso.

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<v Speaker 2>The Cleveland house where all of this went down was

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<v Speaker 2>demolished August seventh, twenty thirteen as part of the plea agreement.

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<v Speaker 2>They didn't want it to become a tourist attraction. And

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<v Speaker 2>while they were tearing it down, there were cheers from

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<v Speaker 2>a group of people. Michelle Knight was there.

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<v Speaker 3>She released a bunch of yellow balloons to remember all

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<v Speaker 3>the kidnapping victims that have yet to be rescued. And

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<v Speaker 3>it is now a garden.

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<v Speaker 2>So Chris Mahandi, I don't know, but he's a forensic psychologist,

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<v Speaker 2>not associated with this case, but he's a consultant and

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<v Speaker 2>other long term kidnapping cases, and he said these are

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<v Speaker 2>some of the most catastrophic kinds of experiences a human

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<v Speaker 2>can be subjected to.

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<v Speaker 3>He said.

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<v Speaker 2>Purpose of these types of crimes are men who have

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<v Speaker 2>long standing fantasies of capturing, controlling, abusing, and dominating women.

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<v Speaker 2>They use a perverse system of rewards and punishments to

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<v Speaker 2>create fear and submission in their victims, who then lose

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<v Speaker 2>all sense of self and become dependent on their captor.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's the total control over a human being is

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<v Speaker 2>what stimulates them.

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<v Speaker 3>I know sometimes we try to figure these.

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<v Speaker 1>People out, and I just thought this forensic psychologist did

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<v Speaker 1>a good job.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, okay, So back to arie'all so annoying. He

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<v Speaker 2>hung himself in prison and died, And I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>I remember the collective conscious when this happened in the world, and.

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<v Speaker 3>We were pissed, like it was so ugh. I think

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<v Speaker 3>we all wanted him to rot in jail forever.

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<v Speaker 1>I think everyone was really excited for him to have

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<v Speaker 1>to be captive and not have any control over his life.

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<v Speaker 3>How do you remember how much longer it was? After?

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<v Speaker 1>Not long at all. It was not even a month. Oh, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>he got caught in May and he was dead in September.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, Like he was sentenced and August dead

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<v Speaker 1>in September it's like really fucked up.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, it's really disappointing. Why did he have bed sheets?

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<v Speaker 3>He should have it? Sayesn't make it, doesn't make it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's such a fuck up.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you don't think you think there wasn't a fuck

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<v Speaker 2>up and cover ups and fake documents with the police,

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah there are, don't worry.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>There's also like some weird shit with the death, So like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>some people say it was exphyxiation during a sex act

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<v Speaker 2>because his pants were below his ankles and he didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have underwear on. But he was found with the Bible

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<v Speaker 2>open to John chapter two and three. He had a

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<v Speaker 2>picture of his family out and like arranged in a

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<v Speaker 2>poster board fashion. But yeah, his pants and down to

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<v Speaker 2>his ankles. But some said he had a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>trouble keeping pants on with all the weight he lost

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<v Speaker 2>in prison.

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<v Speaker 3>But how much weight can you lose in a month,

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<v Speaker 3>you know?

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<v Speaker 2>And then some people say he didn't wear underwear, so

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<v Speaker 2>it's kind of strange. There was a handwritten notes with

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<v Speaker 2>religious things written on them. Some said love my kids

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<v Speaker 2>and grandkids, and some hearts flowers, musical notes, so it

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<v Speaker 2>seems suicide. But the pants around the ankles did throw

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<v Speaker 2>people a loop Either way, I think everyone was very

1:10:02.560 --> 1:10:06.040
<v Speaker 2>disappointed that he did not die in captivity. He was

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<v Speaker 2>only one month into serving his sentence. Like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>he was charged May eighth, twenty thirteen and found dead

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<v Speaker 2>in his cell September third, twenty thirteen. God prison guards

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<v Speaker 2>in Ohio falsified records and failed to properly complete their

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<v Speaker 2>rounds on the day he hung himself. Surprise, surprise, guards

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<v Speaker 2>falsified the log entries between three and eight fifteen PM

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<v Speaker 2>to say they checked on him when they had not.

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<v Speaker 3>He was found dead at eight forty five.

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<v Speaker 2>They were supposed to go by his sal at least

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<v Speaker 2>once every thirty minutes on an irregular schedule.

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<v Speaker 3>They did not. The officers were placed on leave lol.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if anyone got fired or if anything

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<v Speaker 2>ever happened to them, but they no one cared. As

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<v Speaker 2>of January twenty twenty, some updates are that Gina and

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<v Speaker 2>Amanda graduated from high school. Gina had a Cansiniera that

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<v Speaker 2>she'd never had. Gina is super excited at her driver's license,

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<v Speaker 2>and then Barry and so Amanda and Gina. They wrote

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<v Speaker 2>a memoir together. I don't think they get along with Michelle.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, so their friends and then Michelle's not their friend.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't want to get too deep into it. They're

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<v Speaker 2>allowed to continue being connected or not connected to whoever

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<v Speaker 2>they want. Yeah, and Michelle has changed her name, so

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<v Speaker 2>I will go into all of that, Okay. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Amanda Gina did write a memoir together. And then Amanda Barry.

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<v Speaker 2>She works with a local news station. She covers missing

1:11:31.040 --> 1:11:34.200
<v Speaker 2>children in the Cleveland area. And we know that Jocelyn

1:11:34.320 --> 1:11:36.960
<v Speaker 2>is thriving. She is very special and why is beyond

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<v Speaker 2>her years. According to a former teacher. March twenty twenty one,

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<v Speaker 2>Amanda partnered with the US Marshall Service for its initiative

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<v Speaker 2>Operations Safety Net, and in just one month, we're able

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<v Speaker 2>to help safely locate thirty five missing and endangered children.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And she said at first she was like super

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<v Speaker 1>scared to leave the house or do anything, and now

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<v Speaker 1>she really just feels lucky to be able to give

1:11:59.640 --> 1:12:03.759
<v Speaker 1>people hope that their loved ones could be alive. Still,

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<v Speaker 1>Gina became an ambassador for Northeast Ohio Amber Alert. In

1:12:09.360 --> 1:12:12.519
<v Speaker 1>twenty eighteen, Gina founded the Cleveland Family Center for missing

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<v Speaker 1>children and adults, to work with families to help them

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<v Speaker 1>navigate the media and go to the police station and

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like that. The center is located on the same

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<v Speaker 1>street as where she was held captive, and she wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to change the neighborhood and make it positive, and she

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to give back. And she started the center because

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<v Speaker 1>after talking to her family, she really didn't like the

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<v Speaker 1>way they were treated. When her mother called the police,

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<v Speaker 1>they refused to do anything because they assumed she was

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<v Speaker 1>a runaway. And she just wants to educate police on

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<v Speaker 1>how to be better and compassionate with their jobs. And

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<v Speaker 1>then Michelle Knight now goes by Lilly rose Lee. She

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<v Speaker 1>said equine therapy helps her a lot, and J. C.

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<v Speaker 1>Duggar talked about that, So I guess equine therapy. I

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<v Speaker 1>always think about twenty eight days, but I guess it

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<v Speaker 1>really helps.

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<v Speaker 3>People with this sort of trauma.

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<v Speaker 2>And she is an international and New York Times best

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<v Speaker 2>selling author. Her memoir is called Finding Me, A Decade

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<v Speaker 2>of Darkness, A Life Reclaimed, and then a follow up

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<v Speaker 2>called Life After Darkness, Finding Healing and Happiness. She's married

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<v Speaker 2>to who she calls the love of her life. And

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<v Speaker 2>so you know, some good endings for these women. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and this guy, Daniel J. Flannery, he's a director for

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<v Speaker 2>violence prevention Research and Education at Case Western Reserve University,

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<v Speaker 2>and he says it's really not a one size fits

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<v Speaker 2>all to how someone comes out of these situations to

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<v Speaker 2>cope and reintegrate back into society. He says, some people write,

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<v Speaker 2>some people talk, some people do advocacy, and in this case,

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<v Speaker 2>all the women have done all of those things and

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<v Speaker 2>multiple of those things. One bad thing though, is.

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<v Speaker 1>And this has nothing to do with the case, but

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<v Speaker 1>just you know, very final destination. But Gina was carjacked

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<v Speaker 1>at gunpoint May twenty twenty one, so of this year,

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<v Speaker 1>she was carjacked at gunpoint. A very Olivia Benson like,

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<v Speaker 1>give this girl a break, leave her alone.

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<v Speaker 2>She needs no more stuff. But she just gave them

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<v Speaker 2>the keys without a fine and they drove off. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's kind of once you go through what you go through,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure it's like, take my shit, nothing matters, I

1:14:11.960 --> 1:14:15.920
<v Speaker 2>know all about life. Also, while researching, there was a

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<v Speaker 2>photo of this is just to end on like a

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<v Speaker 2>more fun No, obviously we have a great interview, but

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<v Speaker 2>and this this is a very heavy case. So this

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<v Speaker 2>is just a little tidbit that I thought would be

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<v Speaker 2>a nice positive moment. So during the research, there's an

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<v Speaker 2>old People magazine cover, and of course, like there's no

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<v Speaker 2>reason to like compare.

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<v Speaker 3>Everyone's allowed to go through what they go through.

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<v Speaker 2>But the cover was three Ohio Women Free after ten

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<v Speaker 2>years an amazing escape, and it's it's about to be

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<v Speaker 2>this giant People. And then on top the second the

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<v Speaker 2>second headline is Bethany's Brutal Divorce.

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<v Speaker 3>Bethany Frankel.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and so I was just thinking about her being

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<v Speaker 1>like the richest homeless woman in New York and like

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<v Speaker 1>how dramat she has about our problems and that it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm sure the divorce sucked, but just well

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<v Speaker 1>in saying that that divorce kind of just ended and

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<v Speaker 1>these women were found eight years ago. Yeah, like that's

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<v Speaker 1>how long that dragged on in the National Nightmare. But wow, Liza,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of great info there. Thank you for walking

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<v Speaker 1>us through that horror. I mean that just was like

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<v Speaker 1>one of the most horrifying stories. I still feel like

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<v Speaker 1>it's just one of the worst stories of modern times.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, it's like it also fucks with I mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>this but your idea of what evil is and what

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<v Speaker 2>evil looks like, and who these people are that come

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<v Speaker 2>at these crimes and just the evil that lurks underneath.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, because the sinister like actions never ended. It

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<v Speaker 2>was like ripping of the photos, making them watch their

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<v Speaker 2>families ry on TV.

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<v Speaker 3>Like it's more than just chains and rape. It's like

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<v Speaker 3>it never ends. Like his is desire for sadasa set

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<v Speaker 3>what is it?

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<v Speaker 2>Sato makasichism, Yeah, statistic saticism, sadism.

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<v Speaker 3>Ye satism, Like.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like it obviously doesn't make it better or worse,

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<v Speaker 1>but sometimes it's like when you at least hear oh

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<v Speaker 1>they were like a psychotic religious fanatic and they thought

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<v Speaker 1>they were starting a call to followers or they were this,

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<v Speaker 1>or they thought this or they thought that. Like it

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<v Speaker 1>almost makes you be like, okay, I kind of see.

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<v Speaker 1>This guy just was like I'm sick, and it's like no,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not even like there's nothing even diagnosable about you.

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<v Speaker 1>You just wanted to control women and not have to

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<v Speaker 1>and have slaves.

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<v Speaker 3>Essentially hated women.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So to it's like who's worst him or Cameron Hooker?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, well, I would say at least Cameron, at

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<v Speaker 1>least at least Aeroel Castro let them like be together,

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<v Speaker 1>talk to each other, come upstairs and watch Montel Williams.

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<v Speaker 1>Like Cameron Hooker left a girl under a bed for

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<v Speaker 1>seven years. I mean that it's like, you know, yeah,

1:17:03.640 --> 1:17:06.920
<v Speaker 1>but same kind of situation with breaking them down. I mean,

1:17:06.960 --> 1:17:09.760
<v Speaker 1>Cameron Hooker brought Colleen stand home to her family and

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<v Speaker 1>she still went back to him. So it's like the

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<v Speaker 1>bounds of Stockholm syndrome. Are you know these guys understand

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<v Speaker 1>how to use that? I feel like what I'm like

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<v Speaker 1>shaking off this case.

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<v Speaker 3>It's so gross.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, And it is weird to think about Kimmy

1:17:25.640 --> 1:17:28.200
<v Speaker 2>Schmidt at all as a show, Like it is weird

1:17:28.240 --> 1:17:31.960
<v Speaker 2>to make a com is really weird. I don't get

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<v Speaker 2>how it passed so many hands in how I watched

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<v Speaker 2>a season of it, Like, I don't get it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like they tried to make it really because

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<v Speaker 1>I think they tried to make it really obviously.

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<v Speaker 3>PG.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like he just kidnapped them and left them, kept

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<v Speaker 1>them in a bunker and told him the world was

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<v Speaker 1>going to end. But there's never sexual abuse, Like there's never,

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<v Speaker 1>And there are some episodes where Kimmy has to kind

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<v Speaker 1>of confront what happened to her, but like it's still joky.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like very thirty Row, you know, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Like Tina Fey, but it is really straight that I

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<v Speaker 1>see that that's how it was inspired by that, but

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<v Speaker 1>that they let it be so to the letter, like

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<v Speaker 1>to the point that there was a Mike Britt character

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<v Speaker 1>that's like that. I forget how the song goes. God,

1:18:12.160 --> 1:18:13.599
<v Speaker 1>I used to have that song stuck in my head

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<v Speaker 1>all the time. How does a song go to Kimi Schmid?

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<v Speaker 3>I just remember he had like one moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Where he would say, it's very reminiscent of Hyde, your wives,

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<v Speaker 1>hide your hide your kids, Hyde your wives.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's not that anyway. Yeah, I don't. It's just

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<v Speaker 3>not funny.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's really hard to think about other's people right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Kidnapped, yeah, being held. Yeah, if you see something, say something.

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<v Speaker 1>If you see a fucking hand reaching out of a

1:18:40.920 --> 1:18:45.479
<v Speaker 1>storm door yelling help me, maybe call someone. But we'll

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<v Speaker 1>get into that when we get into our post mortem.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get to our interview. We've got a really great one.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, guys, today's guest.

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<v Speaker 1>You may have seen most recently in the HBO series

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<v Speaker 1>I Know This Much is.

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<v Speaker 3>True, alongside Mark Ruffalo. Excuse me.

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<v Speaker 1>You might recognize her from another SBU episode, a classic

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<v Speaker 1>called Totem season twelve, but today you guys know her

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<v Speaker 1>as Sissy or Kayla Grayland. Please check out our chat

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<v Speaker 1>with the actress Agatha Nowiki all right, Hi Agatha, Right,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Kara.

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<v Speaker 3>This is Lisa.

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<v Speaker 4>Hi Kara. I'm Lisa.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much for talking to us. Where are you.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm in a fire Island. I'm in New or City.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm on Fire Island.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm obsessed and I've never been I'm obsessed. I've always

1:19:41.920 --> 1:19:43.760
<v Speaker 1>wanted to go there. I just watch all of my

1:19:43.960 --> 1:19:46.080
<v Speaker 1>gay guy friends go there my whole life, and I've

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<v Speaker 1>just always wanted to go.

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<v Speaker 3>How fun.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's so beautiful. Y Now, there's like no one

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<v Speaker 5>here because it's like after seasons.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's so cool. Are you doing pure vacation?

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<v Speaker 4>No, I'm actually doing, like it's really crazy what I'm doing.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm doing what they call a dream lab.

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<v Speaker 5>So there's people here that are working on a script

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<v Speaker 5>and they're trying to like develop the themes and the

1:20:08.960 --> 1:20:12.000
<v Speaker 5>characters and the producers hired a bunch of actors to

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<v Speaker 5>do like dreams on behalf of the characters, to infuse

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<v Speaker 5>the material with like a higher level of consciousness and

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<v Speaker 5>illuminate like greater themes in the script.

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<v Speaker 3>So what is that? What do you mean dreams?

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<v Speaker 1>What do you mean?

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<v Speaker 5>Like I go to go to sleep at night and

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<v Speaker 5>I'm given an assignment like have a dream that reveals

1:20:33.040 --> 1:20:35.920
<v Speaker 5>Chloe's struggle or something. So then I like get up

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<v Speaker 5>and I act out a dream and it's like a

1:20:37.479 --> 1:20:39.759
<v Speaker 5>really weird dream, like me driving around in a Volvo

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<v Speaker 5>chain smoking around like NYU or something. But somehow, through

1:20:43.360 --> 1:20:47.559
<v Speaker 5>the process of like improvising that dream, it reveals a

1:20:47.640 --> 1:20:50.320
<v Speaker 5>theme in that like a deeper theme in that character.

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<v Speaker 4>And then the writers and producers are.

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<v Speaker 5>Like, Oh, that's what that character is struggling with, and

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<v Speaker 5>they add.

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<v Speaker 3>That to the script.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're almost collaborating on like the full play of

1:21:00.560 --> 1:21:01.120
<v Speaker 1>the script.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, yeah, they're using the actors and they're subconscious to

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<v Speaker 5>improve the writing.

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<v Speaker 1>But so wait, you have to dream this yourself. What

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<v Speaker 1>if you go to step and don't have a dream, No,

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<v Speaker 1>you're acting out the dream.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you're having the dream. So they give us a

1:21:15.360 --> 1:21:15.840
<v Speaker 4>few nights.

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<v Speaker 5>So we're here for like seven days, so we have

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of time to catch a dream as they

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<v Speaker 5>call it.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, oh dream lab. Damn.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, thanks for talking to us today. We love both

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<v Speaker 1>of your episodes of SVU that you've been on. We

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<v Speaker 1>watched both of them recently.

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<v Speaker 4>Of course, which one are we talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>Well today we're talking about in Prison Lives, but we

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<v Speaker 1>would also love to talk about Totem as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, but both emotional parts.

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<v Speaker 1>You really know how to cry and get the feels

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<v Speaker 1>going on screen.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm glad I'm an actor because it gives me a purpose,

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<v Speaker 5>a place to go with all my big feelings.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's not hard for you to cry.

1:21:58.600 --> 1:22:02.479
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think it is hard. I think it is hard.

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<v Speaker 5>I can't think of it in terms of crying, otherwise

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<v Speaker 5>I can't cry.

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<v Speaker 4>There's funny enough.

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<v Speaker 5>There's like a moment in this episode actually where I

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<v Speaker 5>was on set and the director was like, okay, now,

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<v Speaker 5>like because I killed my audition, Like I just cried

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<v Speaker 5>a lot at the audition.

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<v Speaker 4>It just like happened in the room.

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<v Speaker 5>Because it's like, can never be the intention to cry,

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<v Speaker 5>because then you're not thinking about the thing that would

1:22:23.720 --> 1:22:25.559
<v Speaker 5>make you cry. You're thinking about how do I cry? Right,

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<v Speaker 5>So it doesn't work like that. But so when I

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<v Speaker 5>got to said we're shooting the first take, the director

1:22:31.200 --> 1:22:33.679
<v Speaker 5>was like, Okay, now give us all that big emotion

1:22:33.800 --> 1:22:35.800
<v Speaker 5>that you gave us in the room, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 5>you might as well just have like shot.

1:22:37.880 --> 1:22:38.720
<v Speaker 4>Me and yees.

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<v Speaker 5>Now the pressure's on and the intention is about that.

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<v Speaker 5>But it's okay, we got through it. We got through

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<v Speaker 5>the episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, So tell me about the process of Like,

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<v Speaker 1>so when you went in, you like you auditioned for Totem?

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<v Speaker 5>Probably right, yes, So my audition story for Totem is

1:22:57.520 --> 1:23:01.960
<v Speaker 5>really spectacular actually because I was in LA and I

1:23:02.000 --> 1:23:05.360
<v Speaker 5>had no representation, and I had been doing theater in

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<v Speaker 5>LA and I really wanted to work in television and

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<v Speaker 5>I had worked like I had booked like one little

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<v Speaker 5>Criminal Minds episode before something, and my manager.

1:23:13.200 --> 1:23:16.120
<v Speaker 4>At the time, Robin Ziegler, she was like, so I.

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<v Speaker 5>Did the craziest thing, but I submitted you for this

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<v Speaker 5>guest star on Law and Order. And she's like, I

1:23:21.400 --> 1:23:23.360
<v Speaker 5>know you're not here, but like if I get you

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<v Speaker 5>the audition, like can.

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<v Speaker 4>You get here?

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<v Speaker 5>Like I don't know what to do it's like tomorrow,

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<v Speaker 5>and I was like, what, she's like tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 4>So I was like so broke.

1:23:32.040 --> 1:23:34.200
<v Speaker 5>At this time, I called my dad and I was like,

1:23:34.320 --> 1:23:36.280
<v Speaker 5>I'm going to just go, dude, because like, I've never

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<v Speaker 5>had an audition this big, Like I've never had a

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<v Speaker 5>guest star audition.

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<v Speaker 4>I've only done like a co star before I called

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<v Speaker 4>my dad.

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<v Speaker 5>I was like, Dad, can I borrow like seven hundred

1:23:44.640 --> 1:23:47.040
<v Speaker 5>dollars because it's that's how much the Red Eye costs

1:23:47.120 --> 1:23:49.719
<v Speaker 5>for tomorrow because it's like last minute to New York City.

1:23:50.479 --> 1:23:52.920
<v Speaker 5>And he gives it to me, and I go and

1:23:53.000 --> 1:23:55.080
<v Speaker 5>I fly Red Eye and I wake up in the

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<v Speaker 5>morning and I stop at my friend Chet's house.

1:23:58.160 --> 1:23:59.840
<v Speaker 4>At the time, I was like, can I crash your

1:23:59.840 --> 1:24:01.760
<v Speaker 4>pa for this audition? He's like sure.

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<v Speaker 5>I walk up the Hudson River and like memorizing the

1:24:04.760 --> 1:24:07.519
<v Speaker 5>lines for the totem audition, and I walk into the

1:24:07.600 --> 1:24:09.160
<v Speaker 5>room and I get a call. I ended up getting

1:24:09.160 --> 1:24:11.840
<v Speaker 5>a callback, so I was then I have to like

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<v Speaker 5>push my flight and then I'm in New York City

1:24:13.920 --> 1:24:16.040
<v Speaker 5>and then I end up getting that job, and then

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<v Speaker 5>I actually ended up moving to New York City.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

1:24:20.160 --> 1:24:23.439
<v Speaker 4>Wow, So it was like the biggest risk and it worked.

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<v Speaker 3>What a dream?

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<v Speaker 2>That is fantastical? And then have you been in New

1:24:28.080 --> 1:24:30.519
<v Speaker 2>York this whole time? Or are you back and forth?

1:24:30.640 --> 1:24:32.400
<v Speaker 4>I've always been kind of back and forth.

1:24:32.439 --> 1:24:35.200
<v Speaker 5>I think I did like a good five solid years

1:24:35.200 --> 1:24:37.559
<v Speaker 5>of like not going back and forth. But since then

1:24:37.720 --> 1:24:39.800
<v Speaker 5>my work has kind of like moved me depending on

1:24:39.800 --> 1:24:42.240
<v Speaker 5>what I'm doing, back and forth between LA and New York.

1:24:42.360 --> 1:24:45.360
<v Speaker 1>Wow. And then so for In Prison Lives, did you

1:24:45.360 --> 1:24:47.120
<v Speaker 1>have to audition again or do they just like bring

1:24:47.120 --> 1:24:48.719
<v Speaker 1>you back or what was the deal with that one?

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<v Speaker 5>In Prison Lives, Jonathan Strauss, the casting director, just called

1:24:54.160 --> 1:24:56.559
<v Speaker 5>Robin and was like, I think Agatha would be really

1:24:56.560 --> 1:25:00.559
<v Speaker 5>good for this. So obviously, because you look at the

1:25:00.600 --> 1:25:03.840
<v Speaker 5>two episodes, you're like, how do we get an emotionally

1:25:03.880 --> 1:25:08.280
<v Speaker 5>stunted person. It's like not totally there, but like can

1:25:08.320 --> 1:25:10.280
<v Speaker 5>actually figure out how to play this role.

1:25:11.880 --> 1:25:13.719
<v Speaker 4>And so because there.

1:25:13.520 --> 1:25:17.120
<v Speaker 5>Are parallels obviously between those two characters. And then so

1:25:17.200 --> 1:25:20.400
<v Speaker 5>I went in and yeah, I think I maybe went

1:25:20.439 --> 1:25:22.720
<v Speaker 5>to just producers for that. I just went in and

1:25:22.720 --> 1:25:27.800
<v Speaker 5>when Michael Slovis, the director was there, and it was

1:25:27.880 --> 1:25:30.439
<v Speaker 5>one of those beautiful auditions. I mean it was just

1:25:30.479 --> 1:25:32.400
<v Speaker 5>that moment where you like sit down in the chair

1:25:32.520 --> 1:25:34.120
<v Speaker 5>and I think I did the first take and there

1:25:34.160 --> 1:25:37.360
<v Speaker 5>was a little like tension and nervousness, and then Michael

1:25:37.400 --> 1:25:41.800
<v Speaker 5>Slovis was just like, just do it for yourself, and

1:25:41.840 --> 1:25:44.920
<v Speaker 5>there was this calm in the room and then it

1:25:44.920 --> 1:25:46.280
<v Speaker 5>took over, you know, And.

1:25:46.200 --> 1:25:48.240
<v Speaker 4>Then I was just like, it just took over.

1:25:48.479 --> 1:25:50.680
<v Speaker 3>I might get that tattooed on my body. I like

1:25:50.760 --> 1:25:52.000
<v Speaker 3>love that.

1:25:52.439 --> 1:25:54.280
<v Speaker 4>I know. It's so powerful, I.

1:25:54.200 --> 1:25:55.520
<v Speaker 3>Know, amazing.

1:25:56.200 --> 1:25:59.640
<v Speaker 1>This role in Prison Lives is so I was just

1:25:59.680 --> 1:26:02.200
<v Speaker 1>looking it up. I was looking up when Room came out,

1:26:02.200 --> 1:26:04.200
<v Speaker 1>because this is very similar to the movie Room, but

1:26:04.320 --> 1:26:07.840
<v Speaker 1>like you kind of you this role predates that, so

1:26:07.920 --> 1:26:10.400
<v Speaker 1>you didn't even have you know, not that you not

1:26:10.479 --> 1:26:12.439
<v Speaker 1>that you copy other actors' roles, but you know, that

1:26:12.560 --> 1:26:15.160
<v Speaker 1>was like a huge role for Yes, I think she

1:26:15.240 --> 1:26:17.640
<v Speaker 1>won an Oscar for it, you know, like so I know,

1:26:17.920 --> 1:26:22.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, but you were the first she got her oscar.

1:26:22.080 --> 1:26:23.600
<v Speaker 5>I was like, okay, but did you guys see my

1:26:23.640 --> 1:26:25.439
<v Speaker 5>episode of Law and Order before this?

1:26:26.600 --> 1:26:30.479
<v Speaker 3>Just kidding, No, it's awesome.

1:26:30.760 --> 1:26:33.920
<v Speaker 2>And what's extra cool is you got to be there

1:26:33.960 --> 1:26:36.479
<v Speaker 2>for the Neil Bear years and then the war in

1:26:36.600 --> 1:26:41.640
<v Speaker 2>light years like early season, late season, and so we're curious,

1:26:42.800 --> 1:26:46.800
<v Speaker 2>was it different vibes? How have things changed from you know,

1:26:46.840 --> 1:26:48.280
<v Speaker 2>your first her second episode.

1:26:49.000 --> 1:26:54.920
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, both of my experiences were really beautiful. I owe

1:26:54.960 --> 1:26:57.960
<v Speaker 5>a lot of that, I think definitely to Marishika. She

1:26:58.040 --> 1:27:02.879
<v Speaker 5>creates an environment on set that is I don't know, precious,

1:27:02.920 --> 1:27:06.679
<v Speaker 5>She's the Mama bear, it's her set. She is aware

1:27:06.680 --> 1:27:09.760
<v Speaker 5>of everything that's going on. She's the ultimate boss, like

1:27:10.000 --> 1:27:15.360
<v Speaker 5>ultimate in charge of everything, but vulnerable at the drop

1:27:15.400 --> 1:27:17.639
<v Speaker 5>of a hat, you know, And is that the saying

1:27:17.680 --> 1:27:23.000
<v Speaker 5>I don't know? Okay, So she's there, She's so present,

1:27:23.200 --> 1:27:26.200
<v Speaker 5>and so that made me feel like safe and I

1:27:26.200 --> 1:27:28.439
<v Speaker 5>had a place I remember even on my first episode

1:27:28.439 --> 1:27:31.479
<v Speaker 5>of Totem, you know, because this material is like both

1:27:31.520 --> 1:27:33.760
<v Speaker 5>of them are so exposing, and you do show up

1:27:33.800 --> 1:27:36.440
<v Speaker 5>with I have to show up with my most fragile

1:27:36.600 --> 1:27:37.880
<v Speaker 5>kind of whatever.

1:27:37.960 --> 1:27:39.400
<v Speaker 4>I have to take the guard down, right.

1:27:39.439 --> 1:27:41.320
<v Speaker 5>So you need someone to be your guard and to

1:27:41.400 --> 1:27:43.680
<v Speaker 5>be your advocate in order for you to be kind

1:27:43.680 --> 1:27:46.200
<v Speaker 5>of focused on what you're supposed to be focused on.

1:27:46.640 --> 1:27:48.559
<v Speaker 5>And I remember we were shooting one of the scenes

1:27:48.560 --> 1:27:51.000
<v Speaker 5>in Murushka kind of like she put her hands on

1:27:51.040 --> 1:27:53.840
<v Speaker 5>my shoulders and it was just like I knew she

1:27:53.880 --> 1:27:56.080
<v Speaker 5>was holding space for me in the set and everyone

1:27:56.160 --> 1:27:58.240
<v Speaker 5>was so loud, and then eventually she was just like

1:27:58.280 --> 1:27:59.519
<v Speaker 5>you guys, silence.

1:28:00.080 --> 1:28:00.759
<v Speaker 4>It was just suck.

1:28:00.880 --> 1:28:02.919
<v Speaker 5>It was like it was like those kind of moments.

1:28:02.920 --> 1:28:05.679
<v Speaker 5>It's like where she made me coming onto her set

1:28:06.160 --> 1:28:09.559
<v Speaker 5>the priority that day, you know, and then there's an energy.

1:28:09.640 --> 1:28:12.439
<v Speaker 5>So then you're just in that energy, that wonderful like

1:28:12.600 --> 1:28:15.760
<v Speaker 5>law and order suspense energy of like there is a

1:28:15.840 --> 1:28:18.439
<v Speaker 5>magic it's like what is going to happen, you know,

1:28:18.640 --> 1:28:21.000
<v Speaker 5>and then it happened. So I was really great for

1:28:21.120 --> 1:28:24.760
<v Speaker 5>that to that. And then Warren Light was tremendous. I

1:28:24.760 --> 1:28:27.480
<v Speaker 5>mean tremendous because he comes from a theater background.

1:28:27.520 --> 1:28:28.880
<v Speaker 4>So I had been in Hollywood.

1:28:28.960 --> 1:28:30.599
<v Speaker 5>I had been doing the whole thing where I kept

1:28:30.600 --> 1:28:32.839
<v Speaker 5>feeling like I didn't know how to have an artistic

1:28:32.920 --> 1:28:35.400
<v Speaker 5>experience in that town. Not that there's not tons of

1:28:35.520 --> 1:28:38.640
<v Speaker 5>artists in that town, but I it's such an industry

1:28:38.680 --> 1:28:41.400
<v Speaker 5>town and there's such a sense of like a revolving

1:28:41.439 --> 1:28:46.400
<v Speaker 5>door next whoever, and polished performances and there's just it's it's.

1:28:46.400 --> 1:28:49.640
<v Speaker 4>Hard, you know. And from the beginning, like when I

1:28:49.640 --> 1:28:53.120
<v Speaker 4>walked into Jonathan's room, the casting director Jonathan Strauss, he

1:28:53.240 --> 1:28:55.080
<v Speaker 4>was just like, I mean, he was like on the

1:28:55.120 --> 1:28:56.719
<v Speaker 4>floor with me doing the scene.

1:28:56.800 --> 1:28:59.719
<v Speaker 5>I had never felt so like, wow, this is the point.

1:28:59.840 --> 1:29:02.320
<v Speaker 5>We came into this room to find the truth of

1:29:02.360 --> 1:29:06.040
<v Speaker 5>this character, and like you're in from from the beginning

1:29:06.040 --> 1:29:07.200
<v Speaker 5>and you're holding space to that.

1:29:07.320 --> 1:29:08.920
<v Speaker 4>And then Warren Late in the same way.

1:29:09.000 --> 1:29:11.799
<v Speaker 5>I mean, he was just I don't know, just super

1:29:11.840 --> 1:29:14.880
<v Speaker 5>fan and super warm. And even after the show he

1:29:14.920 --> 1:29:17.600
<v Speaker 5>wrote me like recommendation letters for people and was like,

1:29:17.640 --> 1:29:19.920
<v Speaker 5>Agatha was one of my favorite guest stors on the show,

1:29:19.960 --> 1:29:22.640
<v Speaker 5>and like wow, walked around town with that letter and

1:29:22.680 --> 1:29:24.799
<v Speaker 5>I got meetings and people paid attention.

1:29:24.920 --> 1:29:27.960
<v Speaker 4>And Marishka did the same thing. I mean, everybody on

1:29:28.000 --> 1:29:28.679
<v Speaker 4>that set.

1:29:28.520 --> 1:29:32.080
<v Speaker 5>Kind of rallied for me afterwards to find representation to

1:29:32.280 --> 1:29:35.240
<v Speaker 5>take meetings. Yeah, it's amazing.

1:29:35.439 --> 1:29:36.639
<v Speaker 3>That's so cool.

1:29:36.840 --> 1:29:40.639
<v Speaker 1>Wow, we love to hear this. I'm getting chills.

1:29:40.720 --> 1:29:41.320
<v Speaker 3>That's so oh.

1:29:41.400 --> 1:29:41.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1:29:41.560 --> 1:29:43.800
<v Speaker 5>She invited me like a Hollywood party, like in La

1:29:43.880 --> 1:29:45.640
<v Speaker 5>Like I came back a holiday party. It was like

1:29:45.680 --> 1:29:48.720
<v Speaker 5>a big grand gala benefit or something, just so I

1:29:48.760 --> 1:29:51.439
<v Speaker 5>could come and like sit and next to Hillary Swank

1:29:51.479 --> 1:29:53.320
<v Speaker 5>and all of her friends and she was just like,

1:29:53.360 --> 1:29:54.480
<v Speaker 5>this is Agatha.

1:29:54.080 --> 1:29:56.760
<v Speaker 4>She was on Law and Order. She's amazing, like so

1:29:57.360 --> 1:29:59.840
<v Speaker 4>freaking generous, like so generous.

1:30:00.160 --> 1:30:02.200
<v Speaker 1>It's like really wild because we've talked to a lot

1:30:02.200 --> 1:30:04.280
<v Speaker 1>of actors from the show and everybody's like, oh, she

1:30:04.479 --> 1:30:06.760
<v Speaker 1>the set's amazing, she's number one on the call sheet.

1:30:06.800 --> 1:30:08.120
<v Speaker 3>She sets the tone. She's so great.

1:30:08.160 --> 1:30:10.639
<v Speaker 1>And then like everybody we talked to has one more

1:30:10.680 --> 1:30:13.800
<v Speaker 1>story that like notches it up. How amazing she is

1:30:13.840 --> 1:30:16.600
<v Speaker 1>like to invite you to like a party like that

1:30:16.720 --> 1:30:18.280
<v Speaker 1>and to try to get you representation.

1:30:18.439 --> 1:30:21.720
<v Speaker 3>It's like out of this it's it's it's unbelievable.

1:30:21.880 --> 1:30:22.840
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's not heard of.

1:30:23.600 --> 1:30:27.120
<v Speaker 3>Wow, that was so I really love everything you said.

1:30:27.560 --> 1:30:30.479
<v Speaker 2>You also with this episode, not only with Marishka, but

1:30:31.160 --> 1:30:34.519
<v Speaker 2>you got to work with like that episode is jam

1:30:34.560 --> 1:30:37.760
<v Speaker 2>packed with so much of the cast. There's Amorrow, Rollins,

1:30:37.760 --> 1:30:43.120
<v Speaker 2>Finn Munch, Kraigan, Barbara Cassidy. Like to have a overlap

1:30:43.200 --> 1:30:46.240
<v Speaker 2>of all of those characters is really rare. And then

1:30:46.280 --> 1:30:48.360
<v Speaker 2>you also got to work with Maloney in the past.

1:30:48.400 --> 1:30:50.720
<v Speaker 2>Do you have any stories or moments with any of

1:30:50.720 --> 1:30:52.000
<v Speaker 2>those people you'd like to share.

1:30:52.680 --> 1:30:57.200
<v Speaker 5>I just am obsessed with Christopher Maloney, Like I was

1:30:57.240 --> 1:31:00.800
<v Speaker 5>a Milan Arder fan and when I saw him on set,

1:31:01.280 --> 1:31:06.040
<v Speaker 5>he's magical. He's like this honky alpha male in every

1:31:06.160 --> 1:31:10.599
<v Speaker 5>kind of way, but like just a clown dork, you know.

1:31:10.560 --> 1:31:11.000
<v Speaker 4>What I mean.

1:31:11.120 --> 1:31:14.800
<v Speaker 5>And so it's like he was just making everybody laugh

1:31:14.920 --> 1:31:18.439
<v Speaker 5>in between takes, and their chemistry is like so fun.

1:31:18.520 --> 1:31:20.320
<v Speaker 5>I mean, it's like being in high school and being

1:31:20.360 --> 1:31:22.679
<v Speaker 5>like the bad kids that are always like laughing in class,

1:31:22.720 --> 1:31:25.360
<v Speaker 5>like when they shouldn't be or something like just a

1:31:25.400 --> 1:31:28.800
<v Speaker 5>wonderful juxtaposition to the insanity. But I have to say

1:31:28.800 --> 1:31:31.680
<v Speaker 5>that in the Totem episode, and this is what I

1:31:31.680 --> 1:31:35.360
<v Speaker 5>get credit for most people mentioned to me from the

1:31:35.360 --> 1:31:36.880
<v Speaker 5>show is like the confession scene.

1:31:36.920 --> 1:31:40.400
<v Speaker 4>I don't know if you remember, but it's like really dark. Yeah,

1:31:40.479 --> 1:31:41.040
<v Speaker 4>we were.

1:31:40.880 --> 1:31:44.400
<v Speaker 5>In the room together, and Jeremy Irons was also guest

1:31:44.479 --> 1:31:48.880
<v Speaker 5>starring on this episode, yeah, being most pedophile psychologists, which

1:31:48.880 --> 1:31:51.240
<v Speaker 5>is also so crazy because my mother grew up like

1:31:51.320 --> 1:31:54.920
<v Speaker 5>a hardcore Jeremy Irons fan. So it was like some

1:31:55.080 --> 1:31:58.000
<v Speaker 5>cosmic manifestation where like the first rule I booked was

1:31:58.040 --> 1:32:02.080
<v Speaker 5>like her fuck her crash from whatever. You know. Actually,

1:32:02.160 --> 1:32:04.479
<v Speaker 5>Jeremy Irons called my mom from set that day to

1:32:04.560 --> 1:32:07.320
<v Speaker 5>tell her, tell her like what a good job I did,

1:32:07.560 --> 1:32:09.160
<v Speaker 5>Like it was just incredible.

1:32:09.320 --> 1:32:11.800
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, your mom must have been freaking out.

1:32:12.200 --> 1:32:14.120
<v Speaker 5>She still has like the picture of me and like

1:32:14.160 --> 1:32:16.759
<v Speaker 5>my creepy sweater and like looking all law and ordery

1:32:16.840 --> 1:32:19.720
<v Speaker 5>with Jeremy irons, and she has it like on her

1:32:19.800 --> 1:32:22.360
<v Speaker 5>office wall, like in front of the computer. It's like

1:32:22.360 --> 1:32:26.760
<v Speaker 5>her proudest moment of me. So that scene in particular,

1:32:26.880 --> 1:32:29.320
<v Speaker 5>it was also one of those things like I don't

1:32:29.360 --> 1:32:31.479
<v Speaker 5>want to sound whatever it is, it is what it is.

1:32:31.520 --> 1:32:34.080
<v Speaker 5>It's like sometimes your art just shows up for you,

1:32:34.200 --> 1:32:36.800
<v Speaker 5>like you prepare and whatever, and you do everything you

1:32:36.840 --> 1:32:39.320
<v Speaker 5>can to be relaxed and to be open to create

1:32:39.360 --> 1:32:42.519
<v Speaker 5>a space for something to surprise you.

1:32:42.680 --> 1:32:44.120
<v Speaker 4>And it felt like that, Like.

1:32:44.200 --> 1:32:47.080
<v Speaker 5>Mushka and Jeremy were watching from the window, you know,

1:32:47.120 --> 1:32:48.880
<v Speaker 5>and this is like a big deal in my mind.

1:32:48.880 --> 1:32:51.200
<v Speaker 5>I'd never been on a set like this, so it's like, Okay,

1:32:51.200 --> 1:32:54.960
<v Speaker 5>this is your big scene, you know. And like Chris

1:32:55.000 --> 1:32:59.200
<v Speaker 5>Maloney's like sitting across from me, and Mushka and Jeremy

1:32:59.240 --> 1:33:02.160
<v Speaker 5>are watching from the glass because it's the interview booth

1:33:02.240 --> 1:33:06.080
<v Speaker 5>room or whatever. And I just remember looking at Chris

1:33:06.120 --> 1:33:11.000
<v Speaker 5>and the compassion in his eyes and the empathy he

1:33:11.280 --> 1:33:15.960
<v Speaker 5>looked at me with like carved that performance too. You know,

1:33:16.160 --> 1:33:18.479
<v Speaker 5>he just like held space and I was like with

1:33:18.600 --> 1:33:20.920
<v Speaker 5>him in that little bubble when something happened, you know.

1:33:21.560 --> 1:33:24.280
<v Speaker 5>And when I watched that to this day, I'm like, oh,

1:33:24.400 --> 1:33:27.080
<v Speaker 5>that's weird, Like it almost creeps me out because I

1:33:27.120 --> 1:33:31.080
<v Speaker 5>can feel something coming through that's not totally me. You know.

1:33:31.680 --> 1:33:34.519
<v Speaker 1>Wow, you're maybe one of the most prepared actors that

1:33:34.560 --> 1:33:35.080
<v Speaker 1>we've talked to.

1:33:35.720 --> 1:33:38.680
<v Speaker 4>Really, Wow, that's cool, and.

1:33:38.800 --> 1:33:41.160
<v Speaker 2>The most in tune with a lot of stuff. I'm like,

1:33:41.640 --> 1:33:45.880
<v Speaker 2>very in awe, I'm very into this convo. So when

1:33:45.920 --> 1:33:50.160
<v Speaker 2>you would be in this method space, getting into these

1:33:50.240 --> 1:33:53.400
<v Speaker 2>people or like these feelings, did it how.

1:33:53.320 --> 1:33:54.639
<v Speaker 3>Do you shut it off? Or are you just kind

1:33:54.640 --> 1:33:56.680
<v Speaker 3>of like I'm going to be sad for a few weeks.

1:33:57.000 --> 1:33:59.400
<v Speaker 4>So the Law and Order episodes really drained me.

1:33:59.600 --> 1:34:01.960
<v Speaker 5>I'll tell you, Like, I left those both of those

1:34:01.960 --> 1:34:06.000
<v Speaker 5>sets with like a migraine and dehydrated because I and

1:34:06.040 --> 1:34:07.960
<v Speaker 5>not because of anything anyone did on set to me,

1:34:08.240 --> 1:34:10.120
<v Speaker 5>just because of what I did to myself on set.

1:34:10.120 --> 1:34:13.639
<v Speaker 5>And I'm not advocating this for actors. I just because

1:34:13.640 --> 1:34:15.760
<v Speaker 5>I cared so much to do a good job, and

1:34:15.800 --> 1:34:18.960
<v Speaker 5>because I hadn't had that much experience yet on set,

1:34:19.120 --> 1:34:20.679
<v Speaker 5>I really felt like I had.

1:34:20.520 --> 1:34:24.280
<v Speaker 4>To cocoon myself in it. And I know people, eventually.

1:34:23.800 --> 1:34:25.760
<v Speaker 5>You get better, and I have gotten better as I've

1:34:25.760 --> 1:34:29.080
<v Speaker 5>gotten older, of like just tapping it, knowing when you're

1:34:29.080 --> 1:34:31.240
<v Speaker 5>going to tap in, and to like manage the timing

1:34:31.280 --> 1:34:32.960
<v Speaker 5>of that so you're not just like I'm going to

1:34:33.040 --> 1:34:34.760
<v Speaker 5>sit in a suffering pile of.

1:34:34.720 --> 1:34:38.200
<v Speaker 4>Hell for two weeks, you know, Like I don't.

1:34:38.560 --> 1:34:40.519
<v Speaker 5>I don't really work that way anymore, I think, But

1:34:40.640 --> 1:34:44.000
<v Speaker 5>for those episodes I did, I did. I dropped in

1:34:44.040 --> 1:34:46.639
<v Speaker 5>and I hung out in there until I was kind

1:34:46.680 --> 1:34:47.320
<v Speaker 5>of done.

1:34:47.920 --> 1:34:50.200
<v Speaker 2>So you're not going back to the hotel and like

1:34:50.880 --> 1:34:53.439
<v Speaker 2>eating pizza and watching a show, you kind of stay

1:34:53.520 --> 1:34:54.559
<v Speaker 2>and say yeah.

1:34:54.600 --> 1:34:57.920
<v Speaker 5>And I was like very besides, like with Marishka and

1:34:58.000 --> 1:35:01.400
<v Speaker 5>in between my scenes on set, very much in my trailer,

1:35:01.479 --> 1:35:03.599
<v Speaker 5>I was working. I was working to like the knock

1:35:03.600 --> 1:35:05.679
<v Speaker 5>on the door came and I said, like I told

1:35:05.680 --> 1:35:07.599
<v Speaker 5>the ad, I said, just give me fifteen minutes, because

1:35:07.600 --> 1:35:09.920
<v Speaker 5>sometimes they forget with the guest stars to like let

1:35:09.920 --> 1:35:13.800
<v Speaker 5>them know, you know, like it's just there's so much

1:35:13.840 --> 1:35:16.719
<v Speaker 5>to manage, and it's like, you know, you're not that important,

1:35:16.760 --> 1:35:19.120
<v Speaker 5>so it's like you almost have to advocate for yourself, Like, look,

1:35:19.120 --> 1:35:21.120
<v Speaker 5>I know I'm part of this like well oiled machine,

1:35:21.120 --> 1:35:22.519
<v Speaker 5>but like I just need a little bit of a

1:35:22.560 --> 1:35:25.120
<v Speaker 5>headsup so that I show up prepared on set, you know.

1:35:25.760 --> 1:35:28.200
<v Speaker 5>So I just kind of went into my room and yeah,

1:35:28.200 --> 1:35:32.000
<v Speaker 5>I just started working, doing like relaxation exercises, listening to music,

1:35:32.080 --> 1:35:34.559
<v Speaker 5>and then starting to do my sensory work, which is

1:35:34.600 --> 1:35:37.200
<v Speaker 5>like the two episodes were really different. I actually did

1:35:37.280 --> 1:35:41.120
<v Speaker 5>the craziest prep for the totem because there was a

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<v Speaker 5>lot of physicality in that girl because she was like,

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<v Speaker 5>sorry to say, I'm sure it's not shocking to your audience,

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<v Speaker 5>but she molested children. And I was like, I don't

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<v Speaker 5>even know how to go there. I'm not going to

1:35:56.439 --> 1:35:58.640
<v Speaker 5>go there, right, Like, I don't molest children. I'm not

1:35:58.680 --> 1:36:01.000
<v Speaker 5>going to go there in my mind, But what is that?

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<v Speaker 5>And I'm like, the only way you can do that

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<v Speaker 5>is if you believe you're not doing anything wrong, Like

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<v Speaker 5>if you believe somehow that like that's your version of love,

1:36:11.120 --> 1:36:14.880
<v Speaker 5>you know, And in all characters, you have to come

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<v Speaker 5>up with the reason why their intentions work for them.

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<v Speaker 5>You know why there's no because no one doesn't most people,

1:36:21.200 --> 1:36:24.479
<v Speaker 5>unless you're like Jeffrey Naumer whatever, These really fucked up

1:36:24.479 --> 1:36:28.679
<v Speaker 5>people like you have some good reasoning for why you're

1:36:28.720 --> 1:36:31.280
<v Speaker 5>doing what you're doing, and it's your job to find

1:36:31.280 --> 1:36:33.840
<v Speaker 5>that in the character. So like for Totem, I knew

1:36:33.840 --> 1:36:36.120
<v Speaker 5>she had to be stunted. I knew that her mother

1:36:36.280 --> 1:36:38.280
<v Speaker 5>had done that to her, so I knew that she

1:36:38.320 --> 1:36:40.720
<v Speaker 5>equated that with love, and that when she founded in

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<v Speaker 5>another kid, she was just going to be passing on

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<v Speaker 5>this behavior.

1:36:44.120 --> 1:36:46.479
<v Speaker 4>So I knew there was like a developmental.

1:36:45.840 --> 1:36:50.040
<v Speaker 5>Thing, and I had an acting class, like forever Ago

1:36:50.360 --> 1:36:53.920
<v Speaker 5>worked on. This sounds crazy, but this is how it works.

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<v Speaker 5>I had worked on a sea lion external. So you

1:36:57.040 --> 1:37:00.400
<v Speaker 5>take the externals of an animal, which are like you know,

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<v Speaker 5>rocking back and forth and begging for fish, and if

1:37:04.240 --> 1:37:07.479
<v Speaker 5>you like, keep making that smaller movement smaller and smaller

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<v Speaker 5>and living in that energy, you just have the vibe

1:37:09.960 --> 1:37:14.439
<v Speaker 5>of like begging and not being totally there in like

1:37:14.520 --> 1:37:17.320
<v Speaker 5>a one track mind. So I did that. That's like

1:37:17.400 --> 1:37:19.439
<v Speaker 5>my secret trick for that whole episode. So I did

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<v Speaker 5>a sea lion external like the whole time. But when

1:37:22.160 --> 1:37:25.000
<v Speaker 5>people watch that show, I think that's what they resonate with.

1:37:25.120 --> 1:37:27.519
<v Speaker 5>It's like something's going on. You don't know what you

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<v Speaker 5>know that's so interesting?

1:37:29.479 --> 1:37:32.960
<v Speaker 2>And did you pick a sea lion or is that

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<v Speaker 2>a common thing? Do you do other animals? Sometimes I

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<v Speaker 2>do other I've done other animals.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, but I have that one like in my bag

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<v Speaker 5>of tricks from like some workshop I had done and

1:37:43.160 --> 1:37:45.640
<v Speaker 5>when I had translated it in a class, because you

1:37:45.680 --> 1:37:48.400
<v Speaker 5>take it from the animal form into the human form

1:37:48.640 --> 1:37:51.040
<v Speaker 5>slowly so that you don't lose the rhythms of the animal,

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<v Speaker 5>and then you see the effects. And so the feedback

1:37:54.160 --> 1:37:56.000
<v Speaker 5>I got from everybody when I was doing that was

1:37:56.160 --> 1:37:58.160
<v Speaker 5>that looks like a stunted person, and that looks like

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<v Speaker 5>a person with a developmental disorder, looks like a person

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<v Speaker 5>that's unsure of themselves.

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<v Speaker 4>In their body. So it was kind of like I

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<v Speaker 4>have certain certain animals.

1:38:06.200 --> 1:38:08.760
<v Speaker 5>I know kind of what energy they stimulate in me

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<v Speaker 5>and what it kind of like looks like from the outside,

1:38:11.760 --> 1:38:15.919
<v Speaker 5>you know. So it was like a collision of perfect moments,

1:38:15.960 --> 1:38:17.840
<v Speaker 5>Like I read that script and I was like, oh,

1:38:17.840 --> 1:38:20.960
<v Speaker 5>I need something developmentally stunted and I was like, I

1:38:21.080 --> 1:38:23.160
<v Speaker 5>have it, and I just like it was like what

1:38:23.760 --> 1:38:27.200
<v Speaker 5>they say about actors, like preparation meeting opportunity.

1:38:27.400 --> 1:38:29.439
<v Speaker 4>Like that's what that moment was, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, wow, because I don't even think Seline, but that's like,

1:38:33.520 --> 1:38:34.840
<v Speaker 2>but they are totally shape.

1:38:34.880 --> 1:38:37.040
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I just I see. It's kind of like

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<v Speaker 3>a like revealing a magic trick in a way where

1:38:39.560 --> 1:38:41.720
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, oh my god, Okay, I see it.

1:38:41.960 --> 1:38:43.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, now go back and watch it and look for

1:38:44.000 --> 1:38:44.439
<v Speaker 4>the ceiling.

1:38:44.640 --> 1:38:52.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I get the My new spiritual healer I

1:38:53.000 --> 1:38:55.280
<v Speaker 3>did was the all Along.

1:38:55.479 --> 1:38:58.559
<v Speaker 1>Isn't that from that show? It was Agatha all Along? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>from I don't know what you're talking about. Okay, you

1:39:01.040 --> 1:39:02.639
<v Speaker 1>know what I'm talking about. It's from what's that show

1:39:02.680 --> 1:39:05.040
<v Speaker 1>that was just huge during pandemic. I keep wanting to

1:39:05.080 --> 1:39:12.000
<v Speaker 1>say wonder Woman, and it's it's fucking oh WandaVision, WandaVision anyway.

1:39:12.040 --> 1:39:13.479
<v Speaker 3>Catherine Hahn is Agatha anyway?

1:39:13.600 --> 1:39:17.000
<v Speaker 1>Agatha Nowiki was so cool and she told us also

1:39:17.040 --> 1:39:19.040
<v Speaker 1>that she was a writer's room in this new HBO

1:39:19.120 --> 1:39:22.160
<v Speaker 1>show called Gorilla and the Bird, which is from Jean

1:39:22.240 --> 1:39:24.160
<v Speaker 1>Mark Ballet, the guy who did Big Little Lies.

1:39:24.240 --> 1:39:24.760
<v Speaker 3>Hello.

1:39:24.920 --> 1:39:27.720
<v Speaker 1>So keep an eye out for that when it comes out.

1:39:28.320 --> 1:39:32.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean, this episode, this case so fucking difficult. I

1:39:32.240 --> 1:39:34.320
<v Speaker 1>don't know what the post mortem is like, never walk

1:39:34.360 --> 1:39:38.479
<v Speaker 1>anywhere by yourself, women constantly carry a knife on you

1:39:38.560 --> 1:39:39.200
<v Speaker 1>and a gun.

1:39:39.280 --> 1:39:39.720
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

1:39:39.760 --> 1:39:44.320
<v Speaker 2>It's like, yeah, because we researched lots of different things,

1:39:44.360 --> 1:39:47.439
<v Speaker 2>and I think I've realized the cases that fuck me

1:39:47.520 --> 1:39:52.840
<v Speaker 2>up the hardest are the like contained multi year torture,

1:39:53.240 --> 1:39:55.160
<v Speaker 2>not being able to leave situations.

1:39:55.320 --> 1:39:56.200
<v Speaker 3>I don't think I'm unique.

1:39:56.200 --> 1:39:59.679
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure some people can relate, but I think these

1:39:59.720 --> 1:40:02.240
<v Speaker 2>are the worst for me to think about.

1:40:02.600 --> 1:40:07.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, and like just being Yeah, it's really tough.

1:40:08.040 --> 1:40:11.280
<v Speaker 2>But I hope these women are continuing to heal and

1:40:11.600 --> 1:40:15.599
<v Speaker 2>thrive and have positive lives and good things happen to them.

1:40:15.840 --> 1:40:18.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure. And I feel like we learned a

1:40:18.920 --> 1:40:22.799
<v Speaker 1>lot from Agatha. She had a lot of amazing insights and.

1:40:22.960 --> 1:40:25.479
<v Speaker 2>Be a seal baby, go back to That's what I'm thinking,

1:40:25.520 --> 1:40:30.000
<v Speaker 2>acting like, go to your most animalistic, pure human emo,

1:40:30.160 --> 1:40:33.080
<v Speaker 2>like not human emotion, animal emotion, animal instinct.

1:40:33.240 --> 1:40:38.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like narrow. I don't know, it's it was very interesting.

1:40:38.600 --> 1:40:42.400
<v Speaker 2>But also about this that criminals are not smart, they're disgusting.

1:40:42.640 --> 1:40:45.679
<v Speaker 2>Cops are not smart, they're bad at their jobs, and

1:40:45.800 --> 1:40:46.879
<v Speaker 2>everyone's a nightmare.

1:40:46.960 --> 1:40:49.880
<v Speaker 3>So keep that in your pocket. Yeah.

1:40:50.479 --> 1:40:53.960
<v Speaker 1>Ooh, and I love that guy who said I knew

1:40:53.960 --> 1:40:56.559
<v Speaker 1>something was wrong when a white lady came running into

1:40:56.560 --> 1:40:57.040
<v Speaker 1>my arms.

1:40:57.520 --> 1:41:00.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I love a hero. Yeah.

1:41:00.160 --> 1:41:03.439
<v Speaker 2>I am horrified by this case and as a nation,

1:41:03.600 --> 1:41:07.080
<v Speaker 2>and it sucks that he was able to not We

1:41:07.120 --> 1:41:11.000
<v Speaker 2>all wanted him to live the constricted life that he

1:41:11.120 --> 1:41:14.959
<v Speaker 2>put onto others, a real eye for an eye situation,

1:41:15.320 --> 1:41:19.280
<v Speaker 2>and it's like it's a collective weird thing that he

1:41:19.360 --> 1:41:21.639
<v Speaker 2>was able to end it.

1:41:22.360 --> 1:41:23.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1:41:23.160 --> 1:41:25.679
<v Speaker 2>I did forget. We forgot to talk about this last week.

1:41:25.720 --> 1:41:27.720
<v Speaker 2>You know, I was catching up on the SVUS. But

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<v Speaker 2>Johnny Pemperton, our friend who does comedy, really killed it.

1:41:32.520 --> 1:41:35.599
<v Speaker 1>Oh yes, if you caught the episode that was about

1:41:35.640 --> 1:41:38.840
<v Speaker 1>an ice cream truck driver who was assaulting women while

1:41:38.840 --> 1:41:43.240
<v Speaker 1>their children watched Nightmare of nightmares. The rapist was our

1:41:43.280 --> 1:41:44.599
<v Speaker 1>friend Johnny, and he.

1:41:44.680 --> 1:41:46.360
<v Speaker 3>Is not a rapist in real life.

1:41:46.360 --> 1:41:48.880
<v Speaker 1>Such a good guy and did a great job and

1:41:49.000 --> 1:41:53.400
<v Speaker 1>had to wear amazing prosthetic makeup to make his face

1:41:53.400 --> 1:41:55.200
<v Speaker 1>look like he got beat up in jail, and it

1:41:55.360 --> 1:41:57.240
<v Speaker 1>was tough to see your pal.

1:41:57.800 --> 1:42:01.080
<v Speaker 2>He also got to get tackled by all the detectives.

1:42:01.200 --> 1:42:03.160
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I was like, you had a role of

1:42:03.200 --> 1:42:04.080
<v Speaker 3>a lifetime.

1:42:04.439 --> 1:42:09.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, so check out Johnny in that episode. But

1:42:09.160 --> 1:42:14.080
<v Speaker 1>we'll try to have him on the pod. Meanwhile, meanwhile,

1:42:14.600 --> 1:42:15.960
<v Speaker 1>so are There's so many pauses.

1:42:16.000 --> 1:42:18.639
<v Speaker 2>I do feel this case weighs heavy on my heart

1:42:18.680 --> 1:42:21.439
<v Speaker 2>and mind, Like I get into a spiral where I

1:42:21.640 --> 1:42:27.360
<v Speaker 2>just like imagine being tricked by my friend's dad and

1:42:27.400 --> 1:42:29.599
<v Speaker 2>then all of a sudden, now I'm being raped for

1:42:29.680 --> 1:42:32.639
<v Speaker 2>a decade, covered in chains in a room.

1:42:33.360 --> 1:42:34.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1:42:34.360 --> 1:42:37.439
<v Speaker 1>But also it's just crazy that the cops couldn't put

1:42:37.439 --> 1:42:40.920
<v Speaker 1>it together that this that this man was a through

1:42:40.960 --> 1:42:43.479
<v Speaker 1>line between all of them, that his daughter knew all

1:42:43.560 --> 1:42:46.240
<v Speaker 1>of them, and like, I don't know, I just want

1:42:46.280 --> 1:42:48.280
<v Speaker 1>the cops to do better with finding these kinds of

1:42:48.320 --> 1:42:51.840
<v Speaker 1>things because it's so horrific, and you know, a lot

1:42:51.840 --> 1:42:53.960
<v Speaker 1>of it's racists. I feel like too, that they couldn't

1:42:53.960 --> 1:42:56.400
<v Speaker 1>find some of these girls or classes that they just

1:42:56.439 --> 1:42:59.040
<v Speaker 1>thought that these girls were like, oh they ran away,

1:42:59.040 --> 1:43:01.080
<v Speaker 1>They're gone, you know where A Like who knows if

1:43:01.080 --> 1:43:04.080
<v Speaker 1>it was like wealthy, sweet little pigtail blonde girls, we

1:43:04.160 --> 1:43:05.080
<v Speaker 1>might have found them. You know.

1:43:05.840 --> 1:43:06.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1:43:06.800 --> 1:43:10.120
<v Speaker 1>Anyway, this week for our what was Sister peg Do segment, which,

1:43:10.160 --> 1:43:12.880
<v Speaker 1>as you know, is our segment where we highlight an

1:43:12.960 --> 1:43:15.680
<v Speaker 1>organization or an article or a book or something they

1:43:15.680 --> 1:43:17.439
<v Speaker 1>can give you more information about what we talked about.

1:43:17.439 --> 1:43:21.479
<v Speaker 1>In today's episode, we wanted to bring to your attention

1:43:21.640 --> 1:43:25.599
<v Speaker 1>an organization called Cleveland Missing, which is Cleveland Missing dot

1:43:25.720 --> 1:43:29.080
<v Speaker 1>org and it was founded by Gina Dijesus, one of

1:43:29.120 --> 1:43:33.559
<v Speaker 1>the victims of this horrible crime, and she founded this

1:43:33.600 --> 1:43:37.479
<v Speaker 1>alongside her cousin and social activist Sylvia Cologne, and its

1:43:37.479 --> 1:43:40.680
<v Speaker 1>mission is to deter abductions, exploitations, and trafficking of all

1:43:40.720 --> 1:43:43.280
<v Speaker 1>ages and genders and to establish a place for families

1:43:43.320 --> 1:43:46.439
<v Speaker 1>and survivors to come for support and resources. Yeah, they

1:43:46.439 --> 1:43:50.840
<v Speaker 1>do community prevention training, raise awareness and are trying to

1:43:50.920 --> 1:43:54.519
<v Speaker 1>bring you know, safety and security to all of Cleveland citizens.

1:43:54.520 --> 1:43:57.439
<v Speaker 1>So check out their website for ways to donate or

1:43:57.760 --> 1:44:00.679
<v Speaker 1>check out their events, resources and more stuff. Cleveland Missing

1:44:00.680 --> 1:44:04.280
<v Speaker 1>dot org. Thanks for that. I do love Cleveland a

1:44:04.280 --> 1:44:10.320
<v Speaker 1>lot so beautiful art museum. Anyways, was that a weird

1:44:10.360 --> 1:44:10.880
<v Speaker 1>thing to say?

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<v Speaker 4>No?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so listen.

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<v Speaker 2>Next week's episode is Witness, another classic you might know

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