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Speaker 4: Chronicles podcast. It's your boy big Steal along with Yeah,

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Speaker 6: That's sir, honored man, pleasure that man, super honored man

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Speaker 6: in the miss elections. Bro, this is this is dope man,

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Speaker 4: I don't know about legends plural.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, God damn that's big bro man, God damn fucking

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Speaker 7: San Diego. But we got a lot of motherfucking uh.

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Speaker 7: You know, niggas niggas is the you know, they the

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Speaker 4: Ship once you told the homie Glasses this one day,

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Speaker 4: because you got gangster rappers, then you got gangster rappers.

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Speaker 6: So, I mean basically so what they did was right, Okay.

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Speaker 4: Big Steeal with another episode against the Chronicles podcast today.

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Speaker 4: My guy MC eight is out, but I am here

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Speaker 4: asking the flaws and now I'll be hitting at the flaws.

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Speaker 2: Adding with you?

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Speaker 5: What's what's up?

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Speaker 8: Salute the mcate as well the whole Gangster Chronicles found salute.

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Speaker 4: Oh for sure, for sure, man, you know what it

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Speaker 2: Is tr really the king of the South?

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Speaker 8: Well, when you let's let's say this, when he first

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Speaker 8: And I think, honestly, Man, for me, my my, my

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Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 8: So I felt like I understood when Tip was saying

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Speaker 2: It is like when.

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Speaker 8: Oh there was a time where I said number one

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Speaker 8: But we all compete to be number one. We should,

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Speaker 2: That's how we do the coach.

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Speaker 8: And that's how we get the coach of going. So

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Speaker 8: we should all be competing to be number one and

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Speaker 8: I can answer that is like I said, he made

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Speaker 2: Oh he for sure did.

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Speaker 4: Now you know one person man like I feel the

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Speaker 4: got Kenner Lamar right now, he's he's the king at

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Speaker 4: the moment. You feel what I'm saying. You can make

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Speaker 4: the case for e forty two up in the bay.

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Speaker 4: You feel what I'm saying because didn't dudes represent the

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Speaker 2: A high level? Oh, for sure, on a high level.

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Speaker 2: Now do you think hip hop?

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Speaker 4: You being a DJ, do you think hip hop is

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Speaker 8: No, But what I do think is that the South

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Speaker 8: See what I'm saying, Uh, I think we are getting

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Speaker 5: It just felt real, La. You did what I'm saying.

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Speaker 8: I love it. You know that Detroit sound when it dropped, Okay,

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Speaker 2: Well you know what I attribute that to.

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Speaker 4: Man, Atlanta came on so strong and like you said, man,

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Speaker 4: But the South, and I remember when it first started

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Speaker 4: Know those records always was pretty big on the West coast.

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Speaker 2: I was born on them for two or three weeks. Right.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 2: It's just not whoever go nowhere, Nobody was ever mad

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Speaker 4: I'm like you, I want my New York music to

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Speaker 4: But I'm not mad at these younger cats that was

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Speaker 2: They just kind of made it the way.

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Speaker 8: Are out here?

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Speaker 4: What's up? What's up? What's up? What's up? What's up?

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Speaker 4: So our boy Seane P. Diddy comes, it's in a

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Speaker 4: I don't know if y'all remember Diary of Hollywood Street King.

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Speaker 4: He was one of the first big websites on the

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Speaker 4: the stuff. My man Jackie Jasper, guess what I got

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Speaker 4: the tea on so many people, people like you're looking

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Speaker 4: for him, Jackie, what's a man? All right?

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Speaker 9: Man, I've gain't nobody looking for me.

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Speaker 5: I just don't.

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Speaker 10: I just ain't got no time for all that right now.

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Speaker 10: Later on we get into all that.

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Speaker 4: But we're good, yeah, for sure, for sure.

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Speaker 2: Many.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate you coming on first and foremost, what's going

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Speaker 4: on with your boy?

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Speaker 2: Did he?

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Speaker 4: Man? What's going on? Because I know you know the

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Speaker 10: I mean, I think this has been brewing for a minute.

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Speaker 10: You know, I think everybody got something to say right now,

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Speaker 10: But did he? But those who knew him. We've been

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Speaker 4: I remember not to take you off. I remember five

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Speaker 4: You was telling me there was something coming down about

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Speaker 4: wrong with Pete Diddy.

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Speaker 10: Here we will continue, and I mean, let's let's take

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Speaker 10: it all the way back to our boy Tupac, who

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Speaker 10: everything that Park said about him is actually coming to life,

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Speaker 10: you know. And here's a dude who started off his

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Speaker 10: life life as we would call him, a fucking nerd.

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Speaker 10: I would say that why because this guy part taked

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Speaker 4: So, and he was a part of that little fraternity.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I think, I think well after because Puff is

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Speaker 4: because you brought La read up. I me and you

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Speaker 10: Yeah, that's why I'm mentioning the characters to show you

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Speaker 10: That's what you call an industry plant.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, And his motive was to have the music that

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Speaker 4: It was coming.

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Speaker 9: So the music was coming so.

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