1 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: You know, Sires a senior writer for the Athletic back 2 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: on foul territory with us pitching aficionado, analytics stuff, plus 3 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: the whole deal. Also listen to him on rates and barrels. 4 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: Really appreciate the time again. You know, it's great to 5 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 1: see you. And there's two key articles I want to 6 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: hit with you. So I'm actually going to start with 7 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: one put together by some of your colleagues on pitch 8 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: tipping and how much paranoia there is and how there 9 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: are a lot of MLB players really speaking publicly, I 10 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: think more than ever this year about it. So where 11 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: do you stand on where we're at as a sport 12 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:36,959 Speaker 1: with pitch tipping taking over as a way to get 13 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:37,480 Speaker 1: an edge. 14 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 2: I mean, we've seen it the traditional way this year 15 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 2: with Hazes Lozardo kind of showing inside his glove and 16 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:48,599 Speaker 2: having to figure out how to hold his glove, you know, 17 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 2: tighter to his body and have to make that adjustment. 18 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 2: I mean, that's totally above board. That's we've played baseball 19 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 2: that way forever. If you can see into the glove 20 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:00,279 Speaker 2: and you can give a sign from second base, then 21 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 2: that's part of the game where I think that it 22 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:06,400 Speaker 2: you know, this piece goes and talks about what's what's 23 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,320 Speaker 2: uniquely challenging about the modern game is we have all 24 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 2: these technological ways to spot tips now, and so you 25 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 2: can run a player's biomechanics through the machine and the 26 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:21,119 Speaker 2: machine can point out, oh, his elbow here or this 27 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 2: or that and kind of highlight places where their delivery 28 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 2: is different for different pitches. Then you can take that 29 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 2: back to the hitters meeting and say, can we see this? 30 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 2: Is this actionable? You know, the machines say this and 31 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 2: this and this. Then you can even take it to 32 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 2: the traject machine, which is this you know, new wave 33 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 2: pitching machine that really shows you the pictures delivery and 34 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 2: kind of gives you kind of a hologram almost of 35 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 2: the pictures delivery. And you can actually start to take 36 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 2: the tips to the pitching machine and practice them. So 37 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 2: now you can before the game, you know, the hitting 38 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 2: group can say, hey, you know, we think his elbow 39 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 2: does this on sliders. 40 00:01:58,520 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 3: Can you see it? 41 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 2: We'll throw on traject Oh yeah, I can see it. 42 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 3: I can see it. I can see it. 43 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 4: And this is. 44 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 2: Why Cody Bellinger says, sometimes I can't even unsee it. 45 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 2: Once they tell me what the tip is so you know, 46 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 2: the the this is part of the old school game 47 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 2: coming together with the new school tools, uh to make 48 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 2: it really difficult. But kind of came to a point 49 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 2: with Matt Strom on the on the on the mound 50 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 2: kind of showing into his glove and Andy pa Has, 51 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 2: you know, sticking his arm out. But after the game, 52 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 2: Andy pa Has says, well, you know, I wasn't giving 53 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 2: pitch type. I think what he was giving was pitch 54 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 2: location because he made that movement on two different pitch types, 55 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 2: as Strom pointed out on social media, but both pitches 56 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 2: were inside, so I think he was tipping location. The 57 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 2: catcher was tipping location by setting up early, and Pies 58 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 2: was relaying that. I think that's less I defer. I 59 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 2: want to defer to the hitters here on the panel, 60 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 2: but I would throw this to you guys. It's less 61 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 2: useful maybe to have location because pitchers missed their location. 62 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 2: It doesn't give you pitch type. How do you feel 63 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 2: about tipping location and would you want to know that 64 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 2: if you were a hitter at the plate. 65 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 5: Location is the key because I can take a guess 66 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 5: on what's coming depending on who's out there. Yeah, if 67 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 5: a guy gives me in and I'm facing a lefty, 68 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:25,839 Speaker 5: I mean, I ain't getting a slider in and ain't 69 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 5: getting a breaking ball in. I'm getting a fastball or 70 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 5: change of ninety percent of the time for most lefties, 71 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 5: it's going to be a fastball in right so or 72 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 5: even if I'm facing a righty and they give me away, 73 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 5: they're not usually throwing a slider or something outside. They're 74 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 5: usually trying to backfoot it. To me, you got to 75 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,160 Speaker 5: know yourself a little bit. So yeah, location location. To me, 76 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 5: the pitch type is fine and it helps you, but 77 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 5: you don't know where they're throwing it. But if you 78 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 5: can get a guy to tell you where to look, 79 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 5: that's a huge advantage. 80 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I agree, but especially with the idea 81 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 2: that like, oh, this is probably hard. So that's probably 82 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 2: what task or thought process was inside. It's probably hard. 83 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 2: It's a one to zero count, I'm gonna gear I'm 84 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 2: gonna gear up for the fastball. And but the the 85 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 2: flip side of this in this this moment in particular, 86 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 2: was that Strom didn't execute. You know, the pitch wasn't good, 87 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 2: so it wasn't even where, it didn't even hit the target. 88 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 2: So but but it probably helped the oscar to some 89 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 2: degree to kind of you know, go think ahead and 90 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 2: be like, this is probably a fastball. 91 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 4: It's coming. 92 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 3: You know. 93 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 6: I got to ask you this because social media blows up. 94 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,720 Speaker 6: There's people from right field saying, oh see, he's got this, 95 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 6: he's got this signe see and he's taken this. He's 96 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 6: taking his phone camera all the way from right field 97 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 6: and seeing like, oh see, how obvious it is. How 98 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 6: much do you feel like, as somebody and I'm not 99 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 6: saying this in any in any way defaming you, you 100 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 6: didn't play that. When you see something as demonstrative as 101 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 6: this or this, do you feel like it is actually 102 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 6: them having the sign? Or do you feel like teams 103 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 6: are now playing the cat and mouse game like look 104 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 6: at us, look at us. 105 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 2: Patrick Bailey admitted that earlier in this season. That's in 106 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,359 Speaker 2: the piece from Anny McCully. He admitted that he was 107 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 2: just doing it to mess with the picture and now 108 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 2: the pictures like, what what do they got on me? 109 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I'm in my head? And so yeah, 110 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 2: there's definitely some of that, and you know, I do 111 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 2: try to defer to people with play. That's why I 112 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 2: mentioned when the machines kind of kick something out. If 113 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 2: I was part of that, you know, hitting group that said, hey, 114 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 2: the machine say he does this with his elbow or something, 115 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 2: I would bring it to the hitters, not like this 116 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 2: is a tip and you guys have to act on. 117 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 2: I'd be like, can you see this? Is this something 118 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 2: that's useful to you? And ask them and and and 119 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 2: give them the opportunity to decide for themselves rather than 120 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 2: sort of tell them. I remember there was a tip 121 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 2: that was that somebody discovered on social media that they 122 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 2: were very sure about. It was Padre's picture, and I 123 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,600 Speaker 2: forget what the tip was a better or so. It 124 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 2: was something about like his mouth before before he threw sliders, 125 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 2: and this person was very sure of it because he'd 126 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 2: shown that in these couple of days that like, you know, 127 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 2: he was he was he was doing this weird thing 128 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 2: with his mouth before sliders. But then I was like, okay, 129 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 2: let me just look at a random game and use 130 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 2: this idea. 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You'll hunt. 170 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 5: Santana tiped to his mouth for a while, so he 171 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 5: started chewing gum. He would do different things, so, yes, 172 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 5: that was a real thing. Tyler Clipper did that with 173 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 5: his mouth. I hit a home er off on one 174 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 5: time because he would go on fastball, stick. 175 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 3: His tongue out on change up. But you could see it. 176 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 5: It was early, right, So those things matter. My question 177 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 5: is is okay? Patrick Bailey I know this, and I'm 178 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 5: not the old guy on my law and get off my. 179 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 6: Long guy at all. 180 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 3: I love the new age way to play. Well, why 181 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 3: doesn't anybody go out there? 182 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:30,679 Speaker 5: And we've had this conversation on here before, Like Crawts 183 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 5: will tell you, if there was a guy we even 184 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 5: thought was given anything, Catcher would walk out. 185 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 3: To the mountain. 186 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 5: You act like you're picking up the rosenbag or talking 187 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 5: to your picture, and you're not even talking to your picture. 188 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 3: You're talking to the guy at second base and you say, hey. 189 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 5: Look, I don't know if you're giving anything or not, 190 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 5: but if you move on the next pitch, the guy 191 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 5: at the plate is gonna get one, okay. And the 192 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 5: easiest way to do is you go out your picture 193 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 5: and say all right, I'm gonna call Slider and you 194 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 5: throw it up and in and you watch the hitters reaction. 195 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 5: He'll tell you if the guy's given him location. Right, 196 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:58,680 Speaker 5: But how come it isn't police differently? You know, we 197 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:00,559 Speaker 5: got guys out there waving their hand, even if they're 198 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 5: just messing with the picture, they're making it so obvious 199 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 5: that it's like, how do we not police this better? 200 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 3: As a sport? 201 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I came up with Jazz a little bit. 202 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 2: Jazz was was showing off a tip against the Braves 203 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 2: and he kind of was like flapping his arms at 204 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 2: second base, and you know, the Braves coaching staff let 205 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 2: him have it, and it became an issue after the game. 206 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 2: And so to some extent, I think, you know, that 207 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 2: was some policing without having to hit Jazz, or at 208 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 2: least kind of making Jazz answer questions after the game 209 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 2: and kind of pointing out that he looked silly out there, 210 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 2: you know, flapping his arms around and stuff. But maybe 211 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 2: you know, Jazz hadn't planned it and he just spotted 212 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 2: a tip on the fly and he didn't know what 213 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 2: to do, so he just started flapping his arms, you know, 214 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 2: like I wasn't there for you know, the pregame meeting. 215 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 2: I doubt they were like, Jazz, if you get a tip, 216 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 2: flap your up the arms that have been down like 217 00:09:57,840 --> 00:09:58,320 Speaker 2: an eagle. 218 00:09:58,400 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 6: You know. 219 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 2: So I can't answer that one for you, because you know, 220 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 2: I haven't been in those shoes. But sometimes it looks ridiculous, 221 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 2: and you know, with the PA has thing, you know, 222 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 2: for him to say afterwards, I wasn't tipping, and he 223 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 2: wasn't like giving pitch types like he probably was trying 224 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 2: to convey some sort of information or getting someone's head. 225 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 2: So I don't know that he was completely truthful in 226 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 2: his comments afterwards either, But you know, nobody wants to 227 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 2: give it away an edge at this point this season, especially. 228 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 6: For sure, and every pitch matters. So if you get 229 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 6: something for one pitch, that could be what swings a 230 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 6: series and you go home or you stay there. Let's 231 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 6: talk about pitches. Let's talk about what she wrote about 232 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 6: starting or different pitchers leaning on pitches that they normally 233 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 6: didn't lean on throughout this postseason. 234 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been pretty amazing. I looked it up even 235 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 2: show hire Tani. 236 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 4: Show here. 237 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:55,439 Speaker 2: Tani in his start yesterday through more curveballs than he 238 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 2: had in any start ever except for one. So he 239 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 2: basically was like, hey, you guys, are your keyed in 240 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 2: on my splitter and my fastball? Here's the card ball. 241 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 2: Blake Snell threw more change ups than he ever had 242 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 2: in a start. As I pointed out, Uh, Schlitler went 243 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 2: to more sinkers. You know, there's also like they're changing 244 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 2: over time. Schlitzler was throwing more sinkers late in the season, 245 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 2: so that might just been more comfortable with the sinker. 246 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:22,719 Speaker 2: But Nick Povetto was going to with two strikes, was 247 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 2: going to the fastball almost twice as much as he 248 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 2: did during the regular season. Schoobl had a ninety two 249 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 2: on our slider, so he went heavy on that. Matt 250 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 2: Boyd in his first start in the wild card threw 251 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 2: more changeups than fastballs. He you know, he didn't do 252 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:39,319 Speaker 2: that all year. And it goes, you know, hand in 253 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 2: glove with another. You know, I love I love like 254 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 2: researching baseball because so many times old school stuff like 255 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 2: comes flips around and people accuse, Oh, the nerds just 256 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 2: figured out that, like having more pitch types is great. 257 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, okay, But what really happened was we 258 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 2: went through all these different ways where we're like, oh, hey, 259 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,679 Speaker 2: throw your best pitch most often. That's how you succeed, 260 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 2: you know, throw your fast one slider, Just throw those 261 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 2: most of the time if those are your best pitches. 262 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 2: But we've come back around now and the newest thing 263 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 2: in vogue is to throw lots of pitches. So pitches 264 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 2: have gone from pitchers have gone from throwing four uh 265 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 2: pitches pitches on average starting pitches. We're throwing four pitch 266 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 2: types on average four years ago. Now it's five, and 267 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 2: that's I know that's only one pitch, but that's a 268 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 2: kind of a big deal to go for the average 269 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 2: that much. So now the average pitcher is throwing five 270 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 2: pitch types. And what you can do if you throw 271 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 2: five pitch types? You come to October and you say, 272 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 2: here's that one pitch that you guys didn't prepare for 273 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:38,839 Speaker 2: and I'm gonna throw the heck out of it. 274 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:39,559 Speaker 3: I'm gonna throw a. 275 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:41,959 Speaker 2: Ton of them and you're not gonna be ready for it. 276 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 2: So there's so much advanced scouting, there's so much thought 277 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 2: process going into so many meetings. So much of this 278 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 2: is like what do you do last time we saw them? 279 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 2: What do we do in the what do you do 280 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 2: in September? And if you can be like, oh, here's 281 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 2: this one thing I haven't done all year that I 282 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:59,199 Speaker 2: saved for this moment, it seems to have worked really well, 283 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 2: and I think it's it's it's almost a troll job. 284 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 2: Pitchers are trolling the opposite offense right now by using 285 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 2: a pitch that they don't usually use. 286 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 6: A lot. 287 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 5: You know, I covered Schooble last night out in Seattle, 288 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 5: and you mentioned he wasn't throwing his change up, but 289 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 5: that was on purpose because they the Mariners hit his 290 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 5: change up. 291 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 3: So he tried to go away from it. 292 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 5: He still got a ton of outs with it last night, 293 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 5: and he gave up a homeer on a slider, so 294 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 5: maybe he should have gone to the change up, but 295 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 5: that was on purpose, right, And he still punched out nine, 296 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 5: walked one, and gave up like four hits and obviously 297 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 5: the two homers. But some of this is game planning 298 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 5: and some of it is, Hey, what did the Mariners 299 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 5: hit Againstchooble in the past, and. 300 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 3: They tried to go away from it. 301 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 5: But I'm going to tell you this right now, Terrek 302 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:43,719 Speaker 5: Scouogle's change up is the number one valued pitch in 303 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 5: all of baseball. 304 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 3: You can't take that away. It's the best pitch in baseball. 305 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 3: You still got to throw it. I don't care what 306 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 3: this kind of reports. 307 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 5: So yes, you might lessen it a little bit trying 308 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 5: to do other things, but at the end of the day, 309 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 5: he still got to go with the pitcher strings. 310 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really interesting idea to talk about, because 311 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 2: even when you're talking about Nick Pavetta like flipping up 312 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 2: his fastball usage. So part of that was on curves 313 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 2: that move like pavettas the Cubs this year slugged seven 314 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,839 Speaker 2: fifty and they saw the most pitches like that all 315 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 2: year in terms of movement and velocity. So yeah, to 316 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 2: some extent, he didn't want to get stuck using the 317 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 2: curveball in any predictive way, you know, in any predictable way, 318 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 2: because then they would they would hit it well, and 319 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 2: they'd shown that, so that was part of flipping over 320 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 2: to the fastball. Now they've also hit the fastball well. 321 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 2: But and he didn't stop using the curveball. To your point, 322 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 2: like it's not you know, he can't. He can't get 323 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 2: through a game without using the curveball. So there is 324 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 2: a tension between your strengths and the opponent's weaknesses. But 325 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 2: I just found it interesting that, like, you know, we 326 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 2: have these advanced scouting you know, plans where people are 327 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 2: like they're going to do this and this, and now 328 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 2: you know, there's being a big rise in self scouting. 329 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 2: So you know, I was first turned onto this where 330 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 2: a pitcher, a pitching coach was telling me every time 331 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 2: my pitchers faced the Dodger, it seems like they're totally 332 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 2: ready for our pitching plan. And he's like, I think 333 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 2: that they're just really good at self scouting. So they say, 334 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 2: how would I get Freddy Freeman out if I was 335 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 2: the opposing team? And now I go to Freddy and 336 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 2: I say, they're likely to do X, Y and Z 337 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 2: because I looked at your numbers and I put together 338 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 2: game plan on how to get you out. And so 339 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 2: Freddy can be like, and you can go to the 340 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 2: plate anticipating how they would get him out, So this 341 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 2: would be okay. Well, no one's advanced scouting my curveball, Shohatani. 342 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 2: They're thinking all about the slider and the splitter and 343 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 2: the fastball. So the curveball is a wrinkle that I 344 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 2: can bring into this game that they probably didn't do 345 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 2: a lot of scouting around all. 346 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 6: Right, last quick one here before September fourteenth, because Trey 347 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 6: Savage got called up on September fifteenth. Did anybody see 348 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 6: his stuff, his profile, his metrics as being as dominant 349 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 6: as he's shown, and if so, what heck did the 350 00:15:57,760 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 6: Jays not call him up before this? 351 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 2: You know? I think that's almost I think this fits 352 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 2: into our what we're talking about here. I think they 353 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 2: didn't want anyone to see him. I think they didn't 354 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 2: want I think this was their surprise, and one of 355 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 2: the first surprises I remember, Like this is Francisco Rodriguez 356 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 2: in two thousand and two being added to the postseason 357 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 2: roster and just blowing up the league. Man he had 358 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 2: one of the best postseasons of all time, and nobody 359 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 2: had seen him before, and it was electric, and nobody 360 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 2: had scouting reports. They hadn't stood in against him, and 361 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 2: it was obvious. So I think, to some extent, you 362 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 2: hide you Savage. The other part is, I mean the 363 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 2: stuff metrics always liked him. But what's interesting about your 364 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 2: Savage is it's so unique. I mean, he's a little 365 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 2: bit like Jonah Tong, He's a little bit like Jeremiah Strada. 366 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 2: These are very over the top, sixty degree arm angle 367 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 2: guys with a lot of ride on their fastball. The 368 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 2: thing that may see a Savage different is he throws 369 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 2: a slider with armside movement. There are only four pitchers 370 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 2: in baseball who throw armside movement sliders like that. Dory 371 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 2: Moretta is one of them. It's not a list of pitchers, 372 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 2: you know. But that's the thing that separates him is 373 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 2: first of all, it's extremely over the top, great ride, 374 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 2: good vlow, good command on the fastball, really good splitter. 375 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,880 Speaker 2: And then there's just this weird slider you know, that's 376 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 2: like backup slider that doesn't look like anything else. So, 377 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 2: you know, I think he's just really strange. It's probably 378 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 2: really uncomfortable. Even if you went and sat in on 379 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,640 Speaker 2: the traject I don't think that you get the full 380 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 2: feeling of somebody that has an extreme arm angle like this. 381 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: That's fallsy because you got to make the playoffs, got 382 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 1: to win the division, get the buye, do the whole thing. 383 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: So you want a guy up to win games. But hey, 384 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: now you got him, it's your secret weapon. 385 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 6: Go for it. You know. 386 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: This was great man. Really appreciate the time. Again, they 387 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: did talk about you Savage on Rates and Barrels months back. 388 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 3: That's how I found out about him. 389 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: And you can dial into his articles in The Athletic, 390 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 1: including the one that we were talking about. A lot 391 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: to get to there. You know, thank you, we'll talk soon. 392 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 3: Thanks for having me. 393 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 1: Our playoff coverage for the next few weeks is all 394 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 1: presented by Fox One shout out to them and the 395 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: new app and streaming service where you can get yourself 396 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,919 Speaker 1: a seven day free trial at foxone dot com. So, 397 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: for example, if you're like, I don't have anything else, 398 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: but I want to watch the playoffs, then you can 399 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 1: watch AJ and Adam and Adam do their game, and 400 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: then eventually obviously the CS and the World Series as well. 401 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:28,400 Speaker 1: Oh you Aj, We're gonna watch you even if we can't. 402 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:31,239 Speaker 3: Right, we have another thought. We were in commercial. I 403 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 3: was like, well, I didn't realize this is live. I know, Sorry, 404 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 3: this is the commercial. 405 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 5: You get MLB obviously in the playoffs because Fox rules 406 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 5: MLB playoffs. I think you get Big Noon, which is 407 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:45,639 Speaker 5: their big college football show. I don't know if you 408 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 5: can get the NFL on there, but yeah, you get games. 409 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 5: Oh well, then how do you not have Fox one? 410 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 5: I have Fox One. I watch it all the time. 411 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 5: I need to watch a game. People are complaining they 412 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 5: couldn't find the game. If you have Fox one, there 413 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:56,919 Speaker 5: it is boom. 414 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 3: It's easy. 415 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: Pick your poison brand new series on FT. So your 416 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 1: team's not in it, who do you root for? We're 417 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:16,160 Speaker 1: going to highlight certain franchises and talk more about the 418 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: organization and the people around them, and see if you're 419 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 1: going to buy into rooting for them. We're going to 420 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: start with the team that had the best record in 421 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 1: baseball this year and they have never put together a 422 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 1: World Series title, the Milwaukee Brewers. Aj why should some 423 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: rogue fans switch allegiances temporarily from a team that's not 424 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 1: in it and root for the Brewers the rest of 425 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 1: the way. 426 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 5: Think about this for a second, because their fun at 427 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 5: hell to watch, and the crowd is awesome, and they 428 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,239 Speaker 5: have the craziest manager in the game, crazy like a fox, though, 429 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 5: and Pat Murphy says things, does things that are a 430 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:55,679 Speaker 5: little bit off base, but his players get them, and 431 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 5: if you talk to him, he really knows baseball. Just 432 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 5: the way they play kind of an old school baseball. 433 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 5: And if you're into that, and you're into guys at 434 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 5: bunt and guys that take first the third, and guys 435 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:09,679 Speaker 5: that can cover ground defensively and good pitching, then the 436 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 5: Brewers are your team. And one through nine that there 437 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 5: are some of parts over over stars, but for me, 438 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 5: they're just a fun team to watch, and Murph and 439 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 5: the way he handles it, did you guys see Murph 440 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 5: the other day when they scored like nine in the 441 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 5: first two, they showed him in the dugout and he 442 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,640 Speaker 5: just had that little i hate to say this little 443 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 5: crap eat and grin where. 444 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 3: He was just like the first time ever. 445 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 5: You never see Murph smile during a game, but he 446 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,479 Speaker 5: just had that little grin and then Craig councils over 447 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:36,919 Speaker 5: in his dugout just stress. And so I just think 448 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 5: they're a fun team to watch, and Murph is great, 449 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 5: and you know, they got some gimmicks, but they make 450 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 5: them work. 451 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 6: I'm gonna say to follow this team because your team 452 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:51,360 Speaker 6: is not in the playoffs. Pirates, Reds, your teams are 453 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:54,159 Speaker 6: not in the playoffs right now. Cardinals, your teams are 454 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:57,320 Speaker 6: not in the playoffs. If you're a small market, you 455 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 6: need to follow this team. And this is the team 456 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 6: should choose because their organization, year in year out, puts 457 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 6: a team out on the field that can win, and 458 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,919 Speaker 6: then they get behind them as an organization and say, okay, 459 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 6: this is what you need, this is what you're good at, 460 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 6: and they get the most out of their players. They 461 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 6: don't make any more money than any of the other 462 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 6: small market teams. They're actually the smallest TV market in 463 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:28,880 Speaker 6: baseball until Vegas comes into town. But that's the way 464 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 6: that you can get on board with this team. You 465 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 6: can get on board with how each of these guys 466 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,919 Speaker 6: were not necessarily the first pick by other teams. You 467 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,639 Speaker 6: can get on board with the fact that they got 468 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 6: the DFA bullpen. I guess it's not as much this year, 469 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 6: but it's a bunch of guys that have been put 470 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 6: together and they figured out how to win. Oh and 471 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 6: they figured out how to win more than everybody else 472 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 6: in Big League Baseball. 473 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:54,919 Speaker 1: It's a great call. You know who I'm thinking about 474 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 1: too in the mix here, Christian Yelich did sign one 475 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 1: of those big boy contract. So if you're a fan 476 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: of a small market team and you're like, my team 477 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: won't sign up my dude for a long period of 478 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,199 Speaker 1: time because my owner's complaining, then you look over at 479 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: Milwaukee and you say, successful, they win games, attendance, because 480 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,479 Speaker 1: they win games enough money to sign a franchise player, 481 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 1: And that's Yelich coming over from another team. 482 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 3: Right. 483 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,880 Speaker 1: If you get somebody early on like Jackson Curio, who 484 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: already looks like a star player in our sport at 485 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 1: a very young age, then you can wrap them up 486 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: for a long period of time. I think the Brewers 487 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: make many other fan bases jealous. Aj they even make 488 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: big market owners very jealous. Why because then they turn 489 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 1: to their front office executives and say, how come they're 490 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 1: doing that with this and you guys get all the 491 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: resources and you can't beat them. 492 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 5: See David Stearns in the Mets at the present moment, 493 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 5: Steve going in to send out an apology letter after 494 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:56,360 Speaker 5: they didn't make the postseason. By the way, it looks 495 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 5: like there's a lot of rooms buying me, it doesn't 496 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:02,439 Speaker 5: it with all the doors and also, as Jeremy pointed out, 497 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 5: it is the best tailgate city in Major League Baseball. 498 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:05,679 Speaker 3: I mean they get there. 499 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 5: Hours before the game and they have and if you 500 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 5: can just walk outside the stadium, you smell the brats 501 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 5: and everything grill burgers on the grill. 502 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,120 Speaker 3: It is a great smell. So they also do that right. 503 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 5: And they have one of the best logos in the game. 504 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 5: And they have two mascots. They have Bernie Brewers Slide, 505 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 5: but barrel Man gets very underrated as a mascot. Let's 506 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 5: not forget barrel Man and what they do there. 507 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 6: I want to hit on Yelich because I played with 508 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 6: him the year he won the MVP and then they 509 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 6: locked him up after that. As a small market organization, 510 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 6: you have to you can't miss on these types of signings. 511 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 6: You can't miss when spending two hundred million dollars on 512 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:54,880 Speaker 6: one player. So to me, it's all about how that 513 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 6: player is going to act when things are good and 514 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 6: when things are bad. And Christian Yelich couldn't be somebody 515 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 6: who is more every single day ready to prove that 516 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 6: this contract wasn't a fluke. It wasn't a fluke, wasn't 517 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 6: somebody something that he shouldn't have gotten. So when your 518 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 6: small market doesn't want to lock up a guy like 519 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 6: Christian Yelich, you're really you're losing so much value for 520 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 6: the organization. Yelly almost feels bad that he got the contract. 521 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 6: He knows he's a good player, but he almost feels 522 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 6: bad that he's getting paid this much and he wants 523 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 6: to go out every single day and prove it. When 524 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 6: he was hurt, he was like, the worst part is 525 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 6: that I'm not out there with the boys. When he 526 00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,879 Speaker 6: wasn't playing well, he was like, you know what, it's okay. 527 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 6: I'll turn it around because I'm out there every single 528 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 6: day and they can see that I'm not one hundred percent, 529 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 6: but it means more to be out there every day 530 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 6: and playing with the boys. And now he's fully healthy 531 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 6: or as fully healthy as Christian Yelich needs to be. 532 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 6: And he's a freaking lynchpin of that lineup right now, 533 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 6: and they all kind of follow suit behind him, and 534 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,199 Speaker 6: they all he's that leader. That's not that you know, 535 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 6: maybe outward leader that some people think, but in that clubhouse, 536 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 6: he sets that tone and he sets that environment. 537 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 1: I'll also give credit to the team for valuing their broadcasters. 538 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,120 Speaker 1: They have some really good broadcast talent and they stick 539 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 1: around there clearly for a reason. Brian Anderson, Jeff Levering, 540 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,439 Speaker 1: and the legend in a class of his own, Bob Buker, 541 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: who was a brilliant game caller, a brilliant ambassador of 542 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 1: our sport, funny as hell, and look, he spends a 543 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 1: good chunk of his life calling Milwaukee Brewer games. 544 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 3: So there is a lot. 545 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: I mean, if you haven't been to a game out there, 546 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:45,680 Speaker 1: and I would definitely advise it's it's a really fun experience. 547 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: The people that you're around from a fan base perspective, 548 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 1: are special, so it makes sense. And it's not like 549 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: we're just you know, doing the Milwaukee Brewers kool aid 550 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,639 Speaker 1: drinking session here right now. AJ We're going to do 551 00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: this for some other teams as well. But I think 552 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,440 Speaker 1: this is so the way to work at things. 553 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:02,919 Speaker 3: Oh and they're easy to work with. 554 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 5: Mike Vasalo, their their PR guy is great, even though 555 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 5: he you know, he doesn't show up sometimes because he 556 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 5: had his appendix out, Like come on, Basalo be better 557 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 5: than that, right, But you forgot rock there. They're an 558 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 5: analysts who's there a lot. He's great to listen to. 559 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 5: There's just a lot of things that are good. Sophia 560 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 5: Menner and one of their other you know that that 561 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 5: translates for some of the Spanish Spanish players is awesome. 562 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,479 Speaker 5: The people just are really nice when you walk through 563 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,880 Speaker 5: the ballparking plus, I mean, I mean there is I'm 564 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 5: not quite on the crats, you know, full bandwagon with 565 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,719 Speaker 5: the Brewers, but I will say this, I've got to 566 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 5: go down the slide, We've got to run in the 567 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 5: sausage race. It's it's a pretty cool place, Milwaukee and 568 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 5: the town. 569 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 3: It's sneaky good. 570 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 5: If you know where you're going, it is sneaky good. 571 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 5: I was there last weekend and they were having october Fest. 572 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,919 Speaker 5: And let's just say there might have been some some 573 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:51,679 Speaker 5: old beers thrown down by me. 574 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: They have a few of those out there in Milwaukee. 575 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 3: Yep. They got a lot of fests. They got a 576 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 3: lot of fests in Milwaukee. Concerts. 577 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,159 Speaker 5: It's a sneaky great music scene too. Everybody goes to 578 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 5: Milwaukee to do their concert mm hmm. 579 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 3: That's true. 580 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 5: Sneaky sneaky good golf too, by the way, sneaky good. 581 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 1: Golf for a little longer and then and then no. 582 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, but I'm not there in the winner, so I 583 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,919 Speaker 5: don't really care about this now. 584 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't have a great football team. I'm not 585 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 3: a big fan of their football team. But the rest 586 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 3: of it. 587 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: If you like this segment, let us know in the comments, 588 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: and if you want us to bring up another team 589 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,439 Speaker 1: in the postseason mix, then we can do that.