Speaker 1: This is Chase Utley and this is the Philly Show. Hi, everybody,
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Philly Show. Rubenmar Junior, Jim Salisbury, Todd
Speaker 1: z O Lucky. Wednesday, August twenty first, twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: How are you guys doing today? You guys doing good?
Speaker 2: I'm great, you know.
Speaker 1: I want to ask you guys a question.
Speaker 2: Hot Atlanta, it's actually hot. It's not too hot, usually
Speaker 2: not bad.
Speaker 1: Actually it's the coolest I can remember being in a
Speaker 1: long time in Atlanta in August.
Speaker 3: Fallish and it's fallish in Chester County.
Speaker 1: That's beautiful. It's it's that time earlier. So last night,
Speaker 1: last night, I get back to my hotel, and you
Speaker 1: guys can appreciate this. I wanted to have a post
Speaker 1: game beer, and uh so I go down to the
Speaker 1: I didn't want to sit at the bar though, so
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm going to bring a beer back
Speaker 1: up to my room. So I get a beer bottle
Speaker 1: down there. I assume it's a twist off, go all
Speaker 1: the way back to my room, cannot get the top
Speaker 1: off the beer bottle. So I'm like, too lazy to
Speaker 1: go back downstairs. I want to see if I can
Speaker 1: do one of those cool things where you put on
Speaker 1: the counter and you open it.
Speaker 2: Of course.
Speaker 1: I messed that up, so now some of the bottle
Speaker 1: breaks on the top. So are you an amateur? I'm
Speaker 1: an amateur. I'm an amateur. So here's what I did.
Speaker 1: I was like, I can't waste this beer, but I
Speaker 1: also don't want to choke on any glass. So I
Speaker 1: poured some beer very gently into another glass and gingerly
Speaker 1: would you have done the same thing? Because part of
Speaker 1: me was going, if I get any in my throat,
Speaker 1: am I gonna explain this? Am I that desperate? But
Speaker 1: I did it. And then but after a couple of SIPs,
Speaker 1: I was like, what am I doing to myself here?
Speaker 1: I can't go to the hospital.
Speaker 3: You gottah.
Speaker 4: You gotta get a like a pipe bomb instead, where
Speaker 4: you can you know, a tall boy where you.
Speaker 3: Can pop the But I I've been where you are.
Speaker 4: You get upstairs with a nice beer after working all
Speaker 4: day and you can't open it. So what you're gonna
Speaker 4: do is on the back of the door of the
Speaker 4: hotel room door they have that little plastic sleeve where
Speaker 4: they put like the fire instructions. Yeah, and you can
Speaker 4: pry it off on that if you if you.
Speaker 2: Love that, you know that the door locked, Jan just
Speaker 2: popping in there.
Speaker 3: Yeah you can.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's the matter with you guys, you know, with
Speaker 5: your wedding ring with Ryan, get pissed off at your
Speaker 5: or what I could do the wedding as well.
Speaker 4: Wedding ring pop you could do like like back when
Speaker 4: I was a kid, there was a player named super
Speaker 4: Joe Charbono. Remember Joe, Yeah, I think it was the
Speaker 4: year and he actually was a legendary story that he
Speaker 4: could open a beer bottle with his eye sockets.
Speaker 3: There's a couple of guys you can do that. At
Speaker 3: that point, you.
Speaker 5: Had to deal with your teeth and stuff, you know, Pop,
Speaker 5: it's that.
Speaker 1: But I was like, but I seriously, I'm in my
Speaker 1: room and I'm going, what am I doing here? Do
Speaker 1: I Do I need a sip of beer? That bad?
Speaker 1: I was like part of me was like, yes, the price,
Speaker 1: Like let's let's let's pitch the rest. I don't need it.
Speaker 1: I've avoided the worst.
Speaker 2: You know, you're.
Speaker 5: Taking matters into your own hands when you're pouring into
Speaker 5: a glass in one of those places you never know
Speaker 5: in the last time that was actually cleaned that is
Speaker 5: also true.
Speaker 3: Has got one of those skits he talks about.
Speaker 6: Man, I don't know what he's you clean it a
Speaker 6: glass with somebody's underwear or something.
Speaker 1: A lot of a lot of pitch balls last night.
Speaker 1: Uh at my hotel, for sure.
Speaker 3: You up by the ballpark? Are you downtown?
Speaker 1: I'm in Buckhead. I'm in Buckhead. You're not right across
Speaker 1: the street from your nice Yes, sir, my place. You
Speaker 1: know it's it's nice, it's nice. Uh so, yeah, but
Speaker 1: last night there's some pitfalls during the game. Rinaldo Lopez,
Speaker 1: just first game back from the il, strikes out ten guys,
Speaker 1: you know, the top three guys in the lineup, go
Speaker 1: oh for twelve with seven strikeouts, final seventeen. Phillies are
Speaker 1: retired in order wit Maorfield. You knew he was going
Speaker 1: to do something last night out.
Speaker 3: You knew that.
Speaker 1: No, you knew it was he that good Reuben Lopez.
Speaker 1: Last night his.
Speaker 5: Stuff was really really outstanding. I mean, we didn't take
Speaker 5: a great, not a great approach against him, had opportunities to.
Speaker 5: We had him on the ropes. Phillies had him on
Speaker 5: the ropes a couple of times. There was a couple
Speaker 5: of three zero counts. Brandon Brad Marsh got into a
Speaker 5: couple of did I say Brad Brandon Marsh got into
Speaker 5: a couple of you know, Marshie the guy, the hockey guy.
Speaker 5: I talked to him all the time, so I screw
Speaker 5: up the name all the time. But anyway, Brandon had
Speaker 5: an opportunity, a couple opportunities with some three oh counts
Speaker 5: to do some damage and like was taking all the
Speaker 5: way up. I'm not sure if we had like the
Speaker 5: best approach against him, but that slider he's got as
Speaker 5: one of the best sliders I've seen. I mean, it's
Speaker 5: like a it's if it's not twelve six, it's like
Speaker 5: eleven to five. It's a downer. It's hard, it's firm.
Speaker 5: He he's got a super quick arm, works super fast.
Speaker 5: He does all the things that you want to do
Speaker 5: as a starting pitcher. And it was a great find
Speaker 5: by the Braves man signing him. Basically was signed. They
Speaker 5: signed him as a as a bullpen guy, and then
Speaker 5: he gave an opportunity to be a starter. He had
Speaker 5: started years ago, maybe four or five years ago, and
Speaker 5: then became a full time bullpen guy and did very
Speaker 5: very well for Chicago White Sox, and then when they
Speaker 5: signed him and they gave Hi an opportunity, he ran
Speaker 5: with it. And he's been outstanding now that the workload
Speaker 5: is an issue, and I think that's one of the
Speaker 5: reasons why he had the stress elbow just.
Speaker 2: Coming back from that il.
Speaker 5: But he had only thrown maxed out at seventy one
Speaker 5: pitches in z i el stint. But his stuff was
Speaker 5: nasty and he took care of those first three guys
Speaker 5: in the lineup. Turner made some contact at leads, but
Speaker 5: the other guys, I mean, Harper and Schoberg got eaten
Speaker 5: up pretty pretty pretty badly by that slider.
Speaker 4: And when the Phillies had met on base, he made
Speaker 4: big pitches, sometimes at the bottom.
Speaker 3: Of the order.
Speaker 5: But the other thing, the other thing I wanted to
Speaker 5: say about that was that you know, his numbers coming
Speaker 5: into the game point zero nine to six batting average
Speaker 5: against with runners in scoring.
Speaker 2: Position this season.
Speaker 5: That is a ridiculous number that I mean, it got
Speaker 5: better because he I mean, you talk about making pitches
Speaker 5: when you have to, man, he was really good. And
Speaker 5: then the fact that they just couldn't Mustard and they
Speaker 5: couldn't get a base runner for three and a half
Speaker 5: or four and a half innings.
Speaker 3: Wheeler pitched really good. He left that one fastball right
Speaker 3: down the belt, yep, and it was Zona crushed it.
Speaker 4: Zona's having a great year. He's not far off of
Speaker 4: Taani in that MVP discussion. You know, I think his
Speaker 4: home run trot is silly, but the guy can mash.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I'm just kind of struck with this team. They have
Speaker 4: trouble with good teams. They don't play consistently well against
Speaker 4: the top teams. Against good teams, I don't even consider
Speaker 4: Atlanta the top team with all their injuries. But they're
Speaker 4: a good team, and they struggled against good pitching. Last night,
Speaker 4: Atlanta had an elite level pitching. So yeah, I agree,
Speaker 4: that could be a fear or concern, uh come October.
Speaker 5: It could be they have that they've struggled against a
Speaker 5: tough pitching. You know, in October they've actually had done
Speaker 5: well against pretty good pitching when when it bell rings,
Speaker 5: but at times. I mean, they got beat up at
Speaker 5: the end with the Arizona uh uh in the NLCS.
Speaker 5: But I you know, there's some adjustments need to be made.
Speaker 5: I am a little concerned. I think it seems like
Speaker 5: these guys are a little beat up. I found out
Speaker 5: a little bit of information about, you know, the pinchhole
Speaker 5: pinch inting thing on Sunday, why a couple of guys
Speaker 5: didn't get in there. I just think that there's more
Speaker 5: to it than just you know, these guys, you know,
Speaker 5: didn't that Toper just wanted to rest them. I think
Speaker 5: that they're bang They were banged up enough, I think
Speaker 5: to maybe make sure that.
Speaker 2: They they got their rest that day.
Speaker 5: So I'm not sure exactly what it is, but I
Speaker 5: just got the feeling just being in the clubhouse that
Speaker 5: there was a little bit more to it. There was
Speaker 5: a really late lineup delivery yesterday. We didn't get the
Speaker 5: line up until well after Topp or even talked right
Speaker 5: Todd right after we talked, you know, it just sounds
Speaker 5: like some guys are a little bit uh beat up
Speaker 5: right now, bumps and bruises, And I think that that
Speaker 5: was part of the story about Sunday that we had
Speaker 5: talked about. Right at those at and Harper weren't used
Speaker 5: and then they got a couple of days off and
Speaker 5: they just looked a little sluggish, just overall looked a
Speaker 5: little sluggish, And you would think that they'd be a
Speaker 5: little bit more lively playing in this.
Speaker 2: Series because it's an important one, especially for the Phillies.
Speaker 1: Let's continue that thought in a second. We will be
Speaker 1: right back.
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Speaker 4: Well, Ruben, you was saying, you know, there was a
Speaker 4: little more to it, and you believe it's more to it.
Speaker 4: I think this is often more to it often, and
Speaker 4: that's why I'm really curious to see what range of
Speaker 4: Suarez looks like. It just seems like it's taken a
Speaker 4: long time for this, for this back thing, and it's
Speaker 4: been an uncertainty. Just wonder if there's quote unquote, as
Speaker 4: you said, more to it, so we'll see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and sometimes you don't like to listen.
Speaker 2: I've been in these positions.
Speaker 6: Everybody goes through bumps and bruises during the course of
Speaker 6: one hundred and sixty two games ser season, and you
Speaker 6: don't necessarily want to like divulge all the information because
Speaker 6: that might give another team a competitive advantage, like when
Speaker 6: a guy goes on the IL or the guys like
Speaker 6: having to sit and not play for three or four days.
Speaker 5: Okay, you got to give people, deliver the people the
Speaker 5: news why is this happening? But there are certain things
Speaker 5: that you know, you keep closer to the best because
Speaker 5: you don't want to give, you know, other teams competitive advantages.
Speaker 5: And so if somebody's banged up, whatever it may be,
Speaker 5: sometimes it's it's okay to be a little quiet about it.
Speaker 5: And and I understand that. But that said, you're right,
Speaker 5: I mean, and I know Topper talked about it a
Speaker 5: lot yesterday. His job is to make sure that these
Speaker 5: guys are healthy because if they're healthy, they got a chance.
Speaker 2: If they're not healthy, it makes life a lot more difficult.
Speaker 4: In September October, he was also quoted as saying, just
Speaker 4: what we were saying, there's more to it than just him.
Speaker 3: He consults with the trainers, sports science people. It's a
Speaker 3: group effort. He's gathering information from everybody, and.
Speaker 4: If a day of rest is prescribed, there's a lot
Speaker 4: of people that are in on that decision, and you know,
Speaker 4: they're all invested in it and they're going to and
Speaker 4: the manager is going to follow through on.
Speaker 2: It, and the players themselves, and the players themselves as well.
Speaker 1: Todd Yeah, no, that you know. Rob is not a
Speaker 1: guy who's very online. But he did make a point
Speaker 1: to kind of I can't even remember the question that
Speaker 1: got the ball rolling, but he made a point to say, listen, guys,
Speaker 1: I hate losing. I want to win, but sometimes you
Speaker 1: have to do them do things that you know you
Speaker 1: can't exactly divulge everything. But I do hate to lose.
Speaker 1: I do want to win, but sometimes you have to
Speaker 1: look at the at the bigger picture. So yeah, Rubin,
Speaker 1: and maybe those guys are banked up. And if they
Speaker 1: are banged up, and he told them you are not playing.
Speaker 1: He did not want to. And we and you guys
Speaker 1: talked about it the other day, just the routine and
Speaker 1: the process of getting ready to pinch hit late in
Speaker 1: the game. And I I I wrote about this, you know,
Speaker 1: in an alternate universe. Right, say it's the ninth inning
Speaker 1: and Rob goes, I want to win this game. I
Speaker 1: want to sweep the Nationals. He sends Bryce Harper to
Speaker 1: the plate, pulls an oblique on a swing, or he
Speaker 1: blows out his hand. He run on the first baseline.
Speaker 1: And one of the questions after the game is had
Speaker 1: he done his normal pregame routine now? But I just
Speaker 1: wanted to win that ball game. Now Rex is on
Speaker 1: the injured list, imagine what the uproar would be there.
Speaker 1: So you know, it's damned if you do if you're
Speaker 1: in your damned damned if you don't. So we got
Speaker 1: you guys want to answer some questions from our two
Speaker 1: let's do it. Got a lot got some questions here. Yesterday,
Speaker 1: Hector Ners was released by the Chicago Cubs. This is
Speaker 1: from Owen Swozo. I'm probably miss butchering that last name.
Speaker 1: Do you think Hector Harris would be a good waiver
Speaker 1: claim or his underlying stats too much of a red flag?
Speaker 1: I took a quick glance at his stats. Strike get
Speaker 1: said down a little bit. You know, Hector, he walks
Speaker 1: a ton of guys, lives on the edge a lot.
Speaker 1: He's under his uh stack cast metrics are way or
Speaker 1: are in the blues? Oh, they're all in the blues,
Speaker 1: which is not good. You don't want to be in
Speaker 1: the blues. You want to be in the reds. Hector Naris.
Speaker 1: Would you take a shot on Hector nearis?
Speaker 2: I wouldn't.
Speaker 3: He's already hasn't he already cleared waivers?
Speaker 1: So he he might have Yeah, he might have cleared.
Speaker 3: He can clear, he did clear, so he can go wherever.
Speaker 3: You know I would, I would, actually, you know, I
Speaker 3: think they talk about everybody.
Speaker 4: I would talk about it, but you know, I I
Speaker 4: don't know, but I see all the fives and six
Speaker 4: is down there in the bullpen e R since the
Speaker 4: uh since the break UH.
Speaker 3: So I would definitely talk about it, but it wouldn't
Speaker 3: be as a closer. I mean, they have a closer
Speaker 3: stevens Uh. I don't know if I would do it,
Speaker 3: and I'm not sure he would do it either. He
Speaker 3: would come here. I think he might have something different,
Speaker 3: but who knows.
Speaker 2: I love the guy, I love the person. I'm just
Speaker 2: just for a couple of different reasons.
Speaker 5: And I kicked it around a little bit with uh
Speaker 5: with some folks there in the clubhouse yesterday, because you know,
Speaker 5: it's an interesting thought, just because you know, maybe another
Speaker 5: veteran guy. He understands the Phillies. He's been there, he's
Speaker 5: done it, he knows the system. I just think that
Speaker 5: there's a couple of things against him. One the fact
Speaker 5: that he lives on the edges. I mean, one of
Speaker 5: the biggest problems that the Phillies have right now is
Speaker 5: it consistent strikes out of the bullpen, right, and the
Speaker 5: and the deep counts. You saw with Alvarado yesterday, You've
Speaker 5: seen it with a lot of guys Oryan Kirkering. I mean,
Speaker 5: it's the deep deep counts. Man, everybody's going two two
Speaker 5: three two almost every time. There's not quick outs. There's
Speaker 5: not you know, you saw that out of the out
Speaker 5: of the Braves bullpen. They were just pounding the zone
Speaker 5: and that's the way you get it done. And that's
Speaker 5: scared me a little bit about Hector. And the other
Speaker 5: thing I think is they need they probably need some
Speaker 5: flexibility some guys that they could sort of move up
Speaker 5: and down. I mean, if they pick him up and
Speaker 5: then send him, there's not a lot of flexibility with them.
Speaker 5: They basically if they give him a chance and they
Speaker 5: have to sort of release him or whatever. I don't
Speaker 5: know if it creates a whole lot of flexibility, it's
Speaker 5: a good thought. I just don't know if he's necessarily
Speaker 5: the answer. The answer is in the clubhouse right now.
Speaker 5: Those guys have to start throwing consistent strikes and if
Speaker 5: it doesn't happen, then that's going to be really trouble.
Speaker 5: So then you got to get somebody to step forward. Hey,
Speaker 5: every team's had like somebody. I remember years ago it
Speaker 5: was like Bob walk and Marty Bistrom came up. The
Speaker 5: young guys who came up, you know in nineteen eighty
Speaker 5: and pitched their asses off. You need somebody to step up.
Speaker 5: Ryan Kirkerman did a pretty good job at the end
Speaker 5: of the year last year. For somebody who's got to
Speaker 5: step up and do their job. And hopefully there's somebody
Speaker 5: out there who's light, you know, clicks on and they
Speaker 5: and they start pitching better.
Speaker 1: Emily Horde on Twitter when hate when Austin Hayes comes
Speaker 1: back from the injury list, how do you perceive Weston
Speaker 1: Wilson's role on the team, given the fact that he
Speaker 1: can play almost anywhere and can hit lefties very well.
Speaker 1: Austin began a rehab assignment last night Tuesday night with
Speaker 1: Triple A. It's going to play a few games, could
Speaker 1: be back this weekend in Kansas City. Weston's played great,
Speaker 1: He's he has crushed lefties. You brought in You traded
Speaker 1: for Austin Hayes, though, Yeah, and when you got him,
Speaker 1: you see, this guy's are every day left field or
Speaker 1: we want to see if he can play every day
Speaker 1: in left field? That's what do you do with that.
Speaker 3: I think they're gonna look at Hayes because they made
Speaker 3: a trade for him. Sure, it was kind of their
Speaker 3: signature every day, you know, position player trade and they'll
Speaker 3: give him a look. But if Western Wilson, although.
Speaker 4: His playing time is can cut back a little bit
Speaker 4: after that big week, it's nice to know that he
Speaker 4: can be there. I don't know how they're gonna balance it,
Speaker 4: but I think you play the hot hand, and I
Speaker 4: think Hayes is going to get a shot when he
Speaker 4: comes back, especially if he swings it well up at
Speaker 4: Lehigh Valley.
Speaker 5: I think the answer is it really rests on Brandon
Speaker 5: Marsh in a lot of ways. If they don't feel
Speaker 5: like Brandon Marsh is able to hit right handers, and
Speaker 5: he's been striking out at like a huge rate, and
Speaker 5: I really like it. I like his game, his his
Speaker 5: strikeout rates are really high.
Speaker 2: And who knows? Does does he now sit against right
Speaker 2: handers from time to time? Do they put Hayes and
Speaker 2: Wilson in the same outfield. I doubt it.
Speaker 5: I don't think that's the right formula necessarily, But is
Speaker 5: it possible. I mean, Hayes and Western Wilson can both
Speaker 5: play center field. I don't know that they'll sacrifice the
Speaker 5: you know, the defense for for maybe a little bit
Speaker 5: more bad but I doubt they'll do that, but I
Speaker 5: think a lot of it predicates on you know, they're
Speaker 5: trust in Brandon marsh because he really he's kind of
Speaker 5: been in fits and starts.
Speaker 2: You know, Brandon's Brandon's.
Speaker 5: Got a lot of ability, he just hasn't been super
Speaker 5: consistent and is there are a lot of punch outs
Speaker 5: to him in this game right now.
Speaker 3: Don't you think we'll see West and Wilson tonight against
Speaker 3: the lefty and give him.
Speaker 4: It'll give him a shot to you know, try to
Speaker 4: lay some claim to that job because you have to
Speaker 4: go with the productive bat.
Speaker 1: They need some mofents right now. They got to win
Speaker 1: a game against these guys. And one thing we didn't
Speaker 1: mention at the top is that, you know, the the
Speaker 1: Braves are now within six games still comfortably. I still
Speaker 1: think the Phillies are going to win the division. But
Speaker 1: bigger picture, Dodgers now have the best record in the
Speaker 1: National League and the Phillies and Brewers are tied for
Speaker 1: the second best record in the National League. Now, the
Speaker 1: Phillies right now have that they got to win one
Speaker 1: more game to win the season. They had to head
Speaker 1: tiebreaker over the Brewers, but they finish a game back
Speaker 1: and the Brewers and the Dodgers. Now they're playing the
Speaker 1: Braves and an NL Wildcard series at the season end
Speaker 1: of the day. So got to get some of this,
Speaker 1: got to score some runs and win a game to night.
Speaker 1: You know, A couple of questions built similar topic, if
Speaker 1: you if you guys have anything to add We kind
Speaker 1: of touched on it Bill Brown and another Twitter account.
Speaker 1: Would you guys sit Harper? Now he's not himself, Maybe
Speaker 1: he's hurt. What is really going on with Bryce? Several
Speaker 1: questions about Bryce and just just me possibly banged up?
Speaker 1: Anything else to add on that? If not, we can.
Speaker 3: If he says he's good to play, I think you
Speaker 3: gotta play him.
Speaker 4: But right he's gonna he's gotta be truthful with the
Speaker 4: manager and the medical staff, and they know him inside out.
Speaker 4: Their hints that he's banged up, and that's the reason
Speaker 4: why he sat on Sunday. You just got to monitor
Speaker 4: almost a day to day situation, right, So if you're gonna,
Speaker 4: you know, I expect to see him play against Max Freed, but.
Speaker 3: I mean, who knows.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's possible he gets he sits against the left
Speaker 5: hander and then plays tomorrow. If he's If he's a
Speaker 5: little banged up. Maybe he gets another maybe he gets
Speaker 5: another day to poor repose. But I don't Again, I
Speaker 5: think you agree with you. Jimmy, if he if he,
Speaker 5: if he tells the manager he's good to go, then
Speaker 5: he's good to go.
Speaker 2: He's playing right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fight for Red October. This is this is an
Speaker 1: off season question. But odds of John Middleton and company
Speaker 1: landing Juan Soto this offseason.
Speaker 3: I think that zero.
Speaker 1: I would say zero as.
Speaker 5: Well I would I guess I know that they could
Speaker 5: probably compete with the New York Yankees financially.
Speaker 2: It would solve the left field problem.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's another left handed bat, I know, but
Speaker 5: it's a super special left handed bat. So you're not
Speaker 5: really worried about that all that much. I mean you
Speaker 5: end up having, I mean, you know, a ridiculous lineup.
Speaker 5: There's no I mean, he can dream on it, sure,
Speaker 5: the problem dreaming on it. I just don't know that
Speaker 5: they that they will have the payroll flexibility to do that.
Speaker 2: That's you're talking about. You talk about over five hundred
Speaker 2: million dollars I think for the guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh that's that's a negotiation that that's going to
Speaker 3: take place. At the toll booth on the RFK Bridge
Speaker 3: formerly the Triborough Bridge, because it's going to be Mets
Speaker 3: and Yankees.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there will be no deferments deferrals in that
Speaker 1: that contract, and unlike the Otani deal, that's gonna be
Speaker 1: a real legit.
Speaker 2: Five or more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is from Instagram DF Mets. What's with Jose Alvarado?
Speaker 1: Do you guys have any thoughts on what's going on
Speaker 1: with Jose? He walked four last night in less than
Speaker 1: an inning. First Phillies pitcher to do that since Dustin McGown,
Speaker 1: I think in twenty fifteen, only eleventh film he's reliever
Speaker 1: to walk four in less than an inning. As far
Speaker 1: back as Baseball Reference can go, it doesn't happen too often.
Speaker 4: Watching him from the center field camera, he's it's just
Speaker 4: his finish. He's all over the place. Yeah, he seems Yeah,
Speaker 4: his mechanics and he's not really nicely aligned with home plate.
Speaker 4: He's really kind of falling off and almost like Sir
Speaker 4: Anthony when he used to go bad his direction. I
Speaker 4: don't know if he's trying to throw too hard, trying
Speaker 4: to make the ball do too much because he knows
Speaker 4: he's been struggling, but he just seems when he's going good,
Speaker 4: it seems to be just a natural flow to his release,
Speaker 4: and it's just it's just not there. I don't know
Speaker 4: if he's thinking too much because he's been struggling.
Speaker 3: But it's troubling. I mean, the whole bullpen is troubling.
Speaker 4: You know, they got very high arras out there since
Speaker 4: the break, they're not throwing enough strikes there. If you
Speaker 4: look at the stats, they're like in you know, the
Speaker 4: bottom five and in walks and just their control numbers
Speaker 4: are off and they're not pounding, and it's it's it's
Speaker 4: a it's a big concern to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's it's a chicken of the egg. I'm
Speaker 2: not sure which ones which.
Speaker 5: So sometimes when you're not mentally where you need to be,
Speaker 5: your mind does things. Your body does things that your
Speaker 5: mind is making it. Do you know it's not a
Speaker 5: natural flow, like you said, natural flow. He's not allowing
Speaker 5: his mechanics. It might be his mind or is it
Speaker 5: his mechanics failing him and then putting him in a
Speaker 5: position to have less confidence. I think I'm not sure
Speaker 5: which one it is, but I know as a player,
Speaker 5: when I struggled mentally. I knew I took some tape
Speaker 5: or back then it was tape, but and watched the
Speaker 5: video that I was doing things that I would could
Speaker 5: not believe I was doing. Like I was watching myself,
Speaker 5: going is that me actually hitting? Because that's not what
Speaker 5: I do when I hit, when I hit well. And
Speaker 5: so I think that's sort of what's probably happening, that
Speaker 5: his mind is not allowing him to get in a
Speaker 5: position to be consistent, and you know, you just hope
Speaker 5: that he shakes his way out of it, has a
Speaker 5: couple of positive outings and can go from there.
Speaker 4: How do you handle him because you know, you walk
Speaker 4: four batters that can really you know, wound your confidence,
Speaker 4: name your confidence.
Speaker 1: How do you seriously, like, how.
Speaker 3: Do you pick the next spot for him to get
Speaker 3: in a ballgame after what you saw last night?
Speaker 5: So the next spot that you get him in the
Speaker 5: ballgame is when he's able, because he threw a lot
Speaker 5: of pitches. But to me, the next time you pitch
Speaker 5: the guy is in a non stress situation.
Speaker 2: He pitches.
Speaker 5: You know, in the fifth inning of it of a
Speaker 5: game or sixth inning of a game where it's a
Speaker 5: blowout either way, and you just get him on the
Speaker 5: mound and get him to you know, get him to perform.
Speaker 2: And hopefully he performs well.
Speaker 5: Now, if he doesn't perform well again, then that makes
Speaker 5: it even more difficult and things start to spiral.
Speaker 2: I hope it doesn't happen.
Speaker 3: For this guy.
Speaker 5: I love Jose Alvarado. I love the man, and I
Speaker 5: love the way he goes about it. He's a great teammate,
Speaker 5: he's a great person. You pull for these guys because
Speaker 5: one he can be dominant when he's on, and two
Speaker 5: he's just a good guy. And you know, you hope
Speaker 5: he works his things out, whether it's mechanical or mental.
Speaker 5: You hope he gets on track.
Speaker 1: Joe Massina Instagram. We get a lot of Scott Kingery questions,
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna throw one out here. Why is Scott
Speaker 1: Kingery buried? Cal Stevenson was not in the forty men
Speaker 1: and they made room for him. I mean to me,
Speaker 1: the answer is that they just don't feel like he's
Speaker 1: the right guys. He's basically played only shortstop this season, shortstop,
Speaker 1: a little bit of second base. I think he got
Speaker 1: He's only played like one game or two games in
Speaker 1: the outfield. They don't need an infielder right now. They
Speaker 1: think Weston Wilson's a better option as an infielder. So
Speaker 1: Scott Kingary's having a nice season in Triple A, stays
Speaker 1: in Triple A.
Speaker 4: You know, the outfield point is probably legit. He hasn't
Speaker 4: played on That's kind of where their needs have been.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying go out there and play left field
Speaker 4: for you, but you know they've seen a lot of
Speaker 4: Scott Henry and they just probably feel like he's not
Speaker 4: the answer, and they have other guys ahead of them
Speaker 4: in their mind. You know, Wilson Hayes is going to
Speaker 4: come back. They brought Stevenson, but I do you know
Speaker 4: acknowledge he's He's had a nice year down there.
Speaker 5: The bigger question for me is Cody Clements, Like why
Speaker 5: is Cody Clements not in the big leagues and Cal
Speaker 5: Stevenson is. I think Cody Clemens is a more accomplished hitter,
Speaker 5: and I think he's got more to offer than does
Speaker 5: Cale Stevens. And I know Cal Stevens is swinging the
Speaker 5: bat very well. With Cody Clemens, I.
Speaker 2: Think he's close.
Speaker 5: I think he's healthy, he's been healthy, he's been playing.
Speaker 5: I think that maybe it could be a defensive thing,
Speaker 5: but they got both Marshall and and Roll has to
Speaker 5: play center field, so you know, I don't I'm not
Speaker 5: really I don't really understand that the profile there. I
Speaker 5: do think that Cody Clements is a little bit more
Speaker 5: accomplished hitter. But hey man, I'm glad I don't have
Speaker 5: to make those decisions. There's always reasons why, and uh,
Speaker 5: I'm not a fly on the wall anymore, so I
Speaker 5: don't have to worry about those decisions.
Speaker 2: It's just curious.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get in some uh well, we'll start wrapping
Speaker 1: this up with some off topic, offbeat questions. This is
Speaker 1: from Anthony on Twitter as Anthony Espenson. Which Phillies player
Speaker 1: would be great at a different sport minus Johann Rojas
Speaker 1: at ultimate frisbee. His downfield speed and lateral quickness would
Speaker 1: be unstoppable on cuts. Ten minutes with me and I'll
Speaker 1: get him competent and throwing a frisbee.
Speaker 2: Wow, Wow to the frisbee. I don't know enough about
Speaker 2: frisbee to make that call.
Speaker 1: But good I don't know either. I'm gonna take his
Speaker 1: word and say he can make Johann Rojas are an
Speaker 1: ultimate frisbee player. I mean, I think, what's what's the
Speaker 1: cop on answer?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 1: J T Real mutto at any sport football, WWE you know,
Speaker 1: tremendous athlete.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good I think.
Speaker 3: I think Bryce Harper, like especially in his twenties, could
Speaker 3: have been like a Ronnie Lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just pulverize somebody.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like just you know what position do you call it?
Speaker 3: I don't even know? Safety?
Speaker 1: Safety right?
Speaker 3: Safety?
Speaker 2: Maybe?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and just you know, accelerate up and crush people.
Speaker 3: I could see, uh, I could see Bryce Harper being that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he would definitely throw his body at somebody.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he would be. He attacked when he charged the
Speaker 3: mound on that guy in San Francisco.
Speaker 1: Hunter Strickland.
Speaker 3: That's right. Then the bodies were coming out with That
Speaker 3: is an intense video. I think Brandon Marsh.
Speaker 2: Would be a pretty good cover guy. I'd see him
Speaker 2: as a D back.
Speaker 1: I could see that.
Speaker 2: I see Brandon Marsh is a little d back or
Speaker 2: maybe even like a maybe like a slot receiver.
Speaker 3: I could see Trey Turner being like a Tommy Fleetwood
Speaker 3: on the golf course.
Speaker 1: That's true. There there are some good golfers on that
Speaker 1: there's some good golfers on the team.
Speaker 2: There, yeah, there are.
Speaker 3: There's a couple of guys that could, uh who.
Speaker 2: Can wheel it a little bit the best?
Speaker 3: Oh really? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I think he might be one of the
Speaker 2: better ones.
Speaker 1: Rubin. Our friend SIXO has a question for it. I
Speaker 1: honestly have no idea what this means. I have no
Speaker 1: idea what this means. Why does Ruben hate having lunch
Speaker 1: with his friends? I have no idea what that means.
Speaker 1: What does that mean?
Speaker 3: Ruben?
Speaker 2: Do you have any idea that?
Speaker 1: But no, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know where it comes to you.
Speaker 1: Did you did somebody on the lunch?
Speaker 5: He comes from left field a lot. That's Jim's buddy,
Speaker 5: that's Slsbury's bobo.
Speaker 3: I've been Uh, I don't know. I I basically owe
Speaker 3: six to lunch for about five years. Like maybe that's it.
Speaker 3: Maybe that's answer like a trivia Twitter question once and
Speaker 3: and but then the pandemic came and I became a hermit.
Speaker 2: And did you throw me under the bus?
Speaker 1: That was four years ago, Jim, But he said he
Speaker 1: wanted to.
Speaker 3: Have lunch with you. If you remember, he's if you
Speaker 3: remember he used to always be on your ass, and
Speaker 3: I talked him off your ass, Ruben, So you know,
Speaker 3: you know, was he the only guy on my ass? Yeah?
Speaker 3: He wasn't the only one, Ruben.
Speaker 1: That was the one that was the one guy that
Speaker 1: was on you for.
Speaker 2: Lunch.
Speaker 3: Happened very very soon, six stough.
Speaker 1: So here's another one. This is from Pat Kritz. Pat
Speaker 1: Kritz designed the Philly Show logo regarding the smellulator sign
Speaker 1: off what exactly are we smelling? Later like, if the
Speaker 1: Philly Show were a Yankee candle or a colone, what
Speaker 1: would the fragrance be? And he said hashtag merchandising ideas
Speaker 1: a Philly Show Yankee candle.
Speaker 3: Hey, Todd, do you remember Ruben?
Speaker 4: So when game Kapler was the manager, he used to
Speaker 4: have scented candles in the manager office. I still remember
Speaker 4: walking into the clubhouse and the managers in Tampa Bay, Todd,
Speaker 4: do you remember this?
Speaker 3: And he had offee scented candle after the game, and
Speaker 3: honestly got it smelt like the best Starbucks on Earth.
Speaker 3: And I had my wife buy one because it was
Speaker 3: so intoxicating. It was. It was so nice. I couldn't
Speaker 3: even focus on the interview. His office smelt so good.
Speaker 2: He wanted to be in the right spirit man. He
Speaker 2: always wanted to.
Speaker 1: Be in the right There was definitely a vibe when
Speaker 1: he walked into Gabe's office.
Speaker 3: Uh you know.
Speaker 1: He he painted the walls in his office instance of
Speaker 1: Bank Park and in Clearwater. It was you know, usually
Speaker 1: it's like an office, you know, white, big awful fluorescent lights.
Speaker 1: He he painted the room like a nice relaxing gray, right,
Speaker 1: Jim was like a gray. And then he put in
Speaker 1: his own lights and missed. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: It was definitely a vibe. Always some some music playing
Speaker 1: lowly in the background. So, uh, that's a good question.
Speaker 1: So what we would do caught, we would do coffee.
Speaker 2: I like coffee.
Speaker 3: I could smell the show.
Speaker 2: That'd be a good one for me.
Speaker 1: You know, grass and grass and dirt, you know, for baseball.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: How about pine tar, that's a good visual.
Speaker 1: I smelled a lot of them.
Speaker 2: I was that boy and added all over my hands
Speaker 2: all the time.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they don't they use that tough skin though
Speaker 3: they don't. I don't know.
Speaker 4: The motor stick doesn't smell like when the bat boy
Speaker 4: would pour the pine tar on the rag.
Speaker 3: I mean that was baseball.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's when men were men.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: Going again, James.
Speaker 1: This is an interesting one. Ginger Avenger for a couple
Speaker 1: of questions related any funny stories of about the baseball's
Speaker 1: unwritten rules being broken? And are there any unwritten rules
Speaker 1: for beat writers?
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, never wear shorts on a plane. No shorts
Speaker 3: on a plane. That's my rule. That is the.
Speaker 5: No shorts at that when you're when you have your notebook. Man,
Speaker 5: come on, when I'm working.
Speaker 2: I used to get remember, I used to get all
Speaker 2: you guys about how you're addressed.
Speaker 5: I think it was maybe maybe it was David Murphy,
Speaker 5: Like David Murphy would come in like with like a
Speaker 5: T shirt and like raggedy jeans or whatever.
Speaker 2: I was like, dude, can you dress like a professional please?
Speaker 1: I'm I agree, I no, I agree, I I I
Speaker 1: always wear pants at the ballpark. Some some people will
Speaker 1: wear shorts. I'm not a fan of the look. Myself.
Speaker 1: I wear a collared shirt. I'm not a fan of
Speaker 1: the T shirt look. Jim, you've occasionally warned a T
Speaker 1: shirt to the old ballyard.
Speaker 2: That's because you don't want to get You wanted to
Speaker 2: give Hamburger training Hamburger.
Speaker 4: But I would always have my TV shirt hanging, you know,
Speaker 4: with my college shirt if I need to need to switch.
Speaker 4: Do you remember here's another pet, even mine.
Speaker 3: On the road.
Speaker 4: You show up for a three game series, you sit
Speaker 4: in the same seat all three days. I used to
Speaker 4: hate it with somebody plopping your seat on day three.
Speaker 4: You would throw my feng shua off.
Speaker 3: I couldn't work totally great.
Speaker 1: If you pick your seat first game of a series,
Speaker 1: you sit there. You do not move seats. You do
Speaker 1: not move seats. I've seen Jim get very very mad, Rubin.
Speaker 1: He gets like like totally thrown off his game. If
Speaker 1: if somebody, if he shows up at the ballpark and
Speaker 1: someone sitting in his seat, especially in Clearwater Spring Training
Speaker 1: and city Field, he'd lose his mind.
Speaker 2: He wait, so I have a quick question about that.
Speaker 2: Let me pose my own question. So there's a hierarchy
Speaker 2: where you sit, right? Is it the veteran, the guy
Speaker 2: who's been on the the longest.
Speaker 7: Is it?
Speaker 2: Is there a hierarchy where you guys not really as
Speaker 2: to where you are at home?
Speaker 5: Typically, like I know, nobody's on one side, and then
Speaker 5: it's inquirer and then it's you.
Speaker 2: Todd, and yeah, Jim and then Todd, do you guys
Speaker 2: line up in that or how does it work for you?
Speaker 3: Guys at home were long standing and and and they
Speaker 3: were marked off though too. Yeah, they're kind of on
Speaker 3: the on the road on the road, on the road.
Speaker 3: Usually sometimes it's marked off, but usually just says visiting
Speaker 3: media and you know four or five here you walking.
Speaker 4: Hey, your seat is your seat that first day. I
Speaker 4: used to love that seat next to the petition in
Speaker 4: city field.
Speaker 3: Todd. I know they would notice get on me because
Speaker 3: Ruben I like to spread out. Todd will always give
Speaker 3: me a lot, like when I sit next to you.
Speaker 2: You got crap everywhere you got, you got ship everywhere.
Speaker 1: Jim would walk in, Jim, Jim will walk into the
Speaker 1: press box. He's the only guy will still go to
Speaker 1: the d wah wah or wherever in New York and
Speaker 1: come it'll show up. And then they have the New
Speaker 1: York Post, and then the Daily News and then the
Speaker 1: New York Times, and they're all spread out everywhere, plastic
Speaker 1: bag full of goodies.
Speaker 3: Goodie's gonna have goodies, you gonna have a coffee, you
Speaker 3: gonna have goodies.
Speaker 1: So that would be the unwritten rules, right, stay in
Speaker 1: your seat, pick your seat, stay in your eat. Jim
Speaker 1: doesn't like shorts. No shorts.
Speaker 3: I remember Gelby showed up early in his career with
Speaker 3: shorts on. I was like, dude, that's a no no.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you got you gotta wear them out because you
Speaker 4: don't want to be sitting on a plane and touching
Speaker 4: somebody's leg.
Speaker 3: You know, a scab on there, a mosquito.
Speaker 2: Stop stop it.
Speaker 1: There's a great you know, Jim, it's funny. There's a
Speaker 1: great uh scene in Curb Your Enthusiasm. Larry David has
Speaker 1: the same bit in an episode of Criby Your Enthusiasm.
Speaker 1: He jumped for me.
Speaker 2: He you probably did.
Speaker 1: He jumps some guy in the show about wearing shorts
Speaker 1: on a plane says, I don't want to look at
Speaker 1: your legs for four hours. This is it's disgusting. Harry,
Speaker 1: it's gross. Put on some pants. I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 3: And here's the other thing. If you get a window seat,
Speaker 3: you do not get up to go to the bathroom.
Speaker 3: You hold it. You do not disturb the people next
Speaker 3: to you. If I'm on the aisle, I don't want to,
Speaker 3: you know, just you can wait until you get to
Speaker 3: Cincinnati to use the restaurant.
Speaker 5: The other thing is that have you guys end up
Speaker 5: being on a plane lately where there's not all three
Speaker 5: seats taken?
Speaker 3: I mean, I remember, I remember the days where you'd
Speaker 3: get on an early morning plane and you could move
Speaker 3: around because it would be open seats. Yeah and ale
Speaker 3: at nice and spacious and you could spread out. Now
Speaker 3: everything's a starting, can it is.
Speaker 1: That's a great place to end. No shorts on a plane, everybody.
Speaker 1: If you disagree, send us a tweet at Jimmy Hills.
Speaker 1: We'll set you straight. So we'll be back later this week.
Speaker 1: That was fun, guys. I'll I'll smell you later. Coffee scented, Yes,
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