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Speaker 1: Wow, Hey everybody, It's Wednesday, May thirty first, twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast where we're really

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Speaker 1: the worst Tyreek Hill on a scooter. It's me your Ma,

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Speaker 1: name g Marcus Grant, joined by Michael f.

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Speaker 2: Florio.

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Speaker 1: We are in studio today, so we got specialists yoursel

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Speaker 1: the Round of the Plus, Susie Josh. We appreciate your

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Speaker 1: hanging out with us. And you have a special guest.

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Speaker 1: It is our pal. You probably know him from Twitter

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Speaker 1: as Real Deal Fantasy. He of the loud Shirts, also

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Speaker 1: is doing stuff at Downtown Rams and more importantly, he

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Speaker 1: is researcher extraordinary here at the NFL Network.

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Speaker 2: It is Lawan Jones LQ.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: You said, man, man, it's good to have you here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, man, this is great. It's great to see you

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Speaker 3: guys in the studio and be on the show.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, we have been trying. I think we've gotten

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Speaker 1: you on before, have we.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Last summer we did it over the stream and stuff.

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Speaker 1: Like, yeah, yeah, that's cool. We did be able to

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Speaker 1: did the interwebs thing.

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Speaker 2: So God time.

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Speaker 1: Good to have you here in person here in the

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Speaker 1: Fantasy Lounge. We got plenty of stuff to talk about.

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Speaker 1: We are going to continue Florio's film festival today. The

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Speaker 1: Last Action Hero is on tapping because this was just

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Speaker 1: a special request by mister Lakwan Jones. He said, he said,

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Speaker 1: you know, if you could ever have me on the show,

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Speaker 1: and you're still doing it, He's like, I'd like to

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Speaker 1: request the Last Action Hero. It's like your favorite movie, right.

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Speaker 3: It's it's not my favorite movie, but it's up there. Okay,

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Speaker 3: it's up there in the list.

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Speaker 2: You got a glimpse into what it's like being me

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Speaker 2: having not seen any movie. Because over the weekend we

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Speaker 2: were hanging out and there were people who were.

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Speaker 4: Like, you haven't seen this movie and this movie this movie,

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Speaker 4: And I was like no, I mean, I'll be honest

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Speaker 4: with you and I love you, but it's easier to

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Speaker 4: list the movies you have seen than the ways you

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Speaker 4: haven't seen.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, especially we're going back like nineties. Yeah, that

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Speaker 2: list goes on and on it.

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Speaker 1: So we are going to dive into that. I will

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Speaker 1: say this is this is this one had escaped my perview.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how I had never seen The Last

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Speaker 1: Action Hero. This is the first watch for me too,

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Speaker 1: So I have thoughts. But we're also going to talk

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Speaker 1: some football. We are going to dive into some teammate

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Speaker 1: ADPs and put teammates against each other and talk about

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Speaker 1: which guy we would rather have at their current average

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Speaker 1: draft price. But let's just start it with a little

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Speaker 1: bit of news, because things have happened since we last

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Speaker 1: spoke to you. The biggest thing that has happened in

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Speaker 1: the last week or so, the Arizona Cardinals are partying

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Speaker 1: ways with DeAndre Hopkins after three seasons. I will tell

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Speaker 1: you you know, I was at home, you know, things

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Speaker 1: were kind of slow. I decided to go get a

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Speaker 1: workout in next thing I know, I get off, I

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Speaker 1: get off the peloton and I see text messages about

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Speaker 1: or dms about how people who were in our mock

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Speaker 1: draft last week telling us how much they love their

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Speaker 1: mock draft so much better now because of what happened.

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Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, like, what is going on in the

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Speaker 1: last hour since I have been off the internet, And

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Speaker 1: I check back in with Twitter and I see people

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Speaker 1: talking about where is de Andre Hopkins going.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, what do you mean?

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Speaker 1: Like Phoenix, Like what are you talking about? That's where

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Speaker 1: he lives and plays football. No, sir, he is going

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Speaker 1: to be a free agent, so people have talked about you,

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Speaker 1: where's he gonna go? And maybe this is the best

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Speaker 1: place for him. And I know that there are betting

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Speaker 1: markets that you know, have have put odds on where

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Speaker 1: it is that he might land up might land. For

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Speaker 1: my part, and I tweeted about this, I think it's

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Speaker 1: all an exercise and just space filling because what if

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Speaker 1: you guess right? So what if you guess wrong? So

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Speaker 1: what nobody cares? Let's talk about what means for actual

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Speaker 1: foosball and fantasy foosball in particular. I mean LQ with

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Speaker 1: with Nuke gone, that opens things up for Marquis Brown

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Speaker 1: without a doubt, right, he's the guy who's most in

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Speaker 1: line to benefit from that. After that, though, is there

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Speaker 2: There?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely great Doorsch is a guy that I've been targeting

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Speaker 3: So I definitely love him as a guy you should

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Speaker 1: I mean, are you are you on the Dorch train?

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Speaker 1: Are you passing the Dortsch Floria? I know you like

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Speaker 1: Mike Wilson. How are you feeling about this?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I was gonnaa Mike Wilson to me is the

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Speaker 2: there's injury concerns and stuff, But what I've seen him

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Speaker 2: put on tape, I like. I think he could play

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Speaker 2: the X. He could play the slot a bit. Greg Dorts, though,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna talk about this in the second uh, this

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Speaker 1: That's so of my thing, right because I look around

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Speaker 1: and yes, Marku's Brown will probably eat I don't know

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Speaker 1: think Michael Wilson will get his shot, Rondelle Moore, Win

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Speaker 1: Healthy will get his opportunities. I've seen some suggestion that

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Speaker 1: James Connor will get a larger share of targets. You know,

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Speaker 1: I even saw somebody saying that, you know, when it

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Speaker 1: but after that, we should all be targeting Trey McBride

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Speaker 1: suspect the A vps are going to kind of reflect

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Speaker 1: There are no pass catchers in this offense that I'm

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Speaker 1: as you alluded to, Mike, Colt McCoy is the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I look, Kyler's coming back at some point. We don't

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Speaker 1: much does any of this really matter for these other guys.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it gets a little sketchy as Colt McCoy trying

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Speaker 3: to figure out which pass gesterre to kind of get

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Speaker 3: I means, why receiver ninety eight. I mean, if you

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Speaker 3: where he's your wide receiver four, wide receiver five. If

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I guess that's sort of it. I

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Speaker 1: don't know any thoughts on the Colt McCoy situation.

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Speaker 3: It's nasty.

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Speaker 2: Even Markith Brown is someone that, like I tweeted last

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Speaker 2: mean I want to draft him. You know, the seven

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Speaker 2: that is bad, And he was scoring double digits every

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Speaker 2: don't know if I could be completely off base here,

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Speaker 2: I think there's a non zero chance that we don't

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Speaker 2: see Kyler Murray play a single snap this year, like

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Speaker 2: he tore his ACL in Week fourteen. I know the

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Speaker 2: process of return has been speeding up in recent years,

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Speaker 2: but realistically, like they could get by with pushing him

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Speaker 2: if they have nothing to play for, which is very likely, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: what good do they have rushing him back? You know,

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Speaker 2: I could see a scenario where either we don't see

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Speaker 2: this season just to kind of get his footing under

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Speaker 2: him or something like that. But they have their pick,

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Speaker 2: and the Texans pick. They could be going for the

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Speaker 2: want to mess that up by playing meaningless games at

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Speaker 2: the end of the year. But then again, the Texans

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Speaker 2: we've seen teams do wacky things.

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Speaker 1: That's true. I still believe we're going to see Kyler

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Speaker 1: this year. I don't know how many games you're going

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Speaker 1: to see him for. You know, I know our old

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Speaker 2: I used to talk about, Uh.

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Speaker 1: The ACL is the new sprained ankle, Like I think, wow,

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Speaker 1: that's an exaggeration, Like, but I but I get what

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Speaker 1: he means that. Like, you know, once upon a time

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Speaker 1: And now that's not the case anymore. Guys come back

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Speaker 1: from acls all the time. I think we're gonna see

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Speaker 1: of how many games? Where are the Cardinals at are

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Speaker 1: they really trying to you know, I don't know what

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Speaker 1: what's what's the hashtag? Is it creator for Caleb? Is

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Speaker 1: that what we're going with this year? I like it

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Speaker 1: creator for Caleb that.

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Speaker 2: People have called me crazy, And I'm like, if the

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Speaker 2: Arizona Cardinals get the top pick or the.

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Speaker 1: Top two picks draft, you draft Caleb and you figure

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Speaker 1: out how to move Kyler yea.

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Speaker 2: And people are like, why would they do that? They

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Speaker 2: have a great quarter It's like, well, because they have

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Speaker 2: one good quarterback that they is coming off an ACL injury,

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Speaker 2: getting older, who they've already paid a bunch of money to.

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Speaker 2: Or you could restart all of that with the rookie contract.

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Speaker 1: Seems to be you know, on again, off again with

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Speaker 1: the organization as a whole. I mean, any moment now,

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Speaker 1: like Kyler could just scrub the Cardinals from his Instagram again,

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Speaker 1: like we could do that. He could take him out

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Speaker 1: of this, take him out of his MySpace top eight

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Speaker 1: or whatever it is, Like it could happen.

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Speaker 3: Remember like the whole video.

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Speaker 2: Game close thing that they put in the contract to

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Speaker 2: make him look bad, Like it's there's bad blood on

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Speaker 2: bullet toxic, you.

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Speaker 1: Know what I mean, just toxic and it was your friend.

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Speaker 2: Like in a relationship, you'd be like listen.

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Speaker 1: Man, you know, like you find somebody new, it works

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Speaker 1: out best for both of you. So I mean, I

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Speaker 1: do think I think Kyler plays, but they are very much.

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Speaker 1: I think in the sweepstakes for Caleb Williams, which by

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Speaker 1: the way, side note, which means they would have to

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Speaker 1: deal with Cliff, it would be Cliff Kingsbury with one

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Speaker 2: But at least for now in Arizona.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I know, look, I know he had those

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Speaker 1: Look, and I am I am in you know, a

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Speaker 1: I still wonder how Raider fans would accept Tom Brady

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Speaker 1: Who are your top three wide receiver duos in the

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Speaker 3: So that's definitely number one duo right now. But then

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Speaker 1: So feeling chalkier than Creola right now. All right, So

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Speaker 1: what you got So you said Tyreek killing Jalen Wattle,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna be really phenomenal.

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Speaker 1: All right, all right, Mike, who's yours?

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Speaker 3: Man?

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna be very chalky because I agree with Lakwan

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Speaker 3: I love him like he's great.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's plays everything is great. Then I mean I

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Speaker 1: I mean, if that happens, it'd be hard to deny that.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, I guess I'll make it a I

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Speaker 1: they're just so underrated. DK Metcalfs and Tyler Lockett.

434
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Speaker 3: There you go, I'm underrated.

435
00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,880
Speaker 1: Because because I mean, those guys like we keep people

436
00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,760
Speaker 1: keep trying to write off Tyler Lockett, and all the

437
00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:16,840
Speaker 1: dude does is score you, like, you know, eight to

438
00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:21,360
Speaker 1: ten touchdowns. One of those people, you know it, he's

439
00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:24,440
Speaker 1: still a top twenty Fantasy wide receiver. He just keeps

440
00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,440
Speaker 1: getting it done. You know. They bring in Jackson Smith

441
00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:29,440
Speaker 1: and Jig but we'll talk about that too in a minute.

442
00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,080
Speaker 1: And it's just like people keep just trying to write

443
00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,639
Speaker 1: Tyler Lockett off man. That might be the best trio

444
00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:37,240
Speaker 1: in the league, could be the essentially could be so

445
00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:38,760
Speaker 1: all right, That seems like a perfect way though, to

446
00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:41,720
Speaker 1: get into our head to heads with teammates, breaking this

447
00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:43,880
Speaker 1: up into wide receivers and running back. So let's start

448
00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,679
Speaker 1: with the wide receivers, and let's just let's start in Miami,

449
00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,439
Speaker 1: right it makes the most sense. So Mike, we'll begin

450
00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:51,720
Speaker 1: with you Tyreek Hill, who right now is the wide

451
00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:56,640
Speaker 1: receiver three going generally number four overall in drafts. Best

452
00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,560
Speaker 1: Ball drafts. Let's just put it this, best ball drafts

453
00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,840
Speaker 1: versus Jalen Battle wide receiver eleven going right around pick

454
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:07,439
Speaker 1: seventeen or eighteen in drafts at that adp which one

455
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:08,080
Speaker 1: would you rather have?

456
00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:13,320
Speaker 2: Tyreek Hill? I think Tyreek Hill is the And I've

457
00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,320
Speaker 2: said this many times. I think outside of quarterbacks, there's

458
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:19,280
Speaker 2: no offensive player that changes the game more than Tyreek Hill.

459
00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 2: And you look at you compare their numbers, Like Jalen

460
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,600
Speaker 2: Wattle was awesome last year, one hundred and seventeen targets,

461
00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,040
Speaker 2: Tyrek Hill had one hundred and seventy. Like they're not

462
00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,879
Speaker 2: even in the same ballpark. Waddle at seventy five catches,

463
00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,080
Speaker 2: He'll had one hundred and nineteen. He also had almost

464
00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,440
Speaker 2: four hundred more yards. Waddle did have more touchdowns. But

465
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Speaker 2: I just think Tyreek Hill what he gives you so

466
00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,680
Speaker 2: explosive like and the volume that he sees on a

467
00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,760
Speaker 2: weekly basis. I tweeted it out the other day, but

468
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,080
Speaker 2: with Tyreek with Tua Tongue Bai Looa, if he had

469
00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,920
Speaker 2: a full season with Tua, he would have scored three

470
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,000
Speaker 2: points less than justin Jefferson. Wow. So I think as

471
00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,880
Speaker 2: good as Tyreek Hill is I think he still gets underrated.

472
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean your thoughts Tyreek versus Jalen, where.

473
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 2: Are you going?

474
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 3: You're a winner either way if you get one or

475
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 3: the other, you're you're gonna be looking at a lot

476
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,639
Speaker 3: of fantasy points. But same thing, you know, I'll go

477
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 3: with Tyreek Hill. I mean it's kind of just unspoken

478
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,120
Speaker 3: at this point, like the guy's fast, like he's going

479
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,159
Speaker 3: to score points, like I have to have them on

480
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,440
Speaker 3: my rosters. But he's definitely still underrated.

481
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I look, I think it really is. Jalen

482
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,600
Speaker 1: Waddle is the guy you target if you you know,

483
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:29,680
Speaker 1: if you're not drafting in the top four or five

484
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:31,400
Speaker 1: and you miss out on Tyreek Hill, you're like, I'll

485
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,680
Speaker 1: take Jaalen Wattle and you're you're perfectly happy with that.

486
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 2: There's the exactly wrong with that.

487
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:35,639
Speaker 3: You're still smiling.

488
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 1: You're still smiling about it. I think one of the

489
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,119
Speaker 1: things that makes Tyreek Hill so special. And you know

490
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,399
Speaker 1: you talk about targets, right, and it's your ability to

491
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 1: earn target Like targets aren't given, they are earned earned. Yeah,

492
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 1: last year he was targeted on thirty three percent of

493
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,680
Speaker 1: his routes, one out of every three routes, he was

494
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 1: getting a target, right. I mean, and you look at

495
00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,920
Speaker 1: the guys who, I mean, you're your top receiver from

496
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 1: last year, Justin Jefferson was targeted on like twenty seven

497
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 1: percent of his routes. Not bad, It's not thirty three percent,

498
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.

499
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 2: You know the A. J.

500
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 1: Brown again, twenty seven percent of his routes, Jalen Waddle,

501
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,640
Speaker 1: I mean he was at twenty three percent. One out

502
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,880
Speaker 1: of every three routes you run, the ball is heading

503
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 1: your direction.

504
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 3: That's insane.

505
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 1: That's hard to match. And then when you add that

506
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 1: to the explosive ability he has where every time it's

507
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 1: in his hands, there's a chance that's going to the house.

508
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 2: It's just hard.

509
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,240
Speaker 1: I mean, that's why. That is why you know you're

510
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,639
Speaker 1: drafting him at number four. You're drafting bit to ceiling

511
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 1: and you're like, yeah, he can do that.

512
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was gonna ask you guys, like, it's very

513
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 2: possible at their ADPs. Are you opposed to just taking

514
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,200
Speaker 2: both of them and having both receivers on your team?

515
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 1: Now, I'm not opposed to at all.

516
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 2: You're so explosive that they could win you a week

517
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:50,640
Speaker 2: at any point.

518
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 3: Literally had the one in two.

519
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and especially because when you look at that Miami offense,

520
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,119
Speaker 1: that's pretty much where the ball is going in the

521
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,560
Speaker 1: passing game. I mean, who else who else are you

522
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 1: worried that's gonna take up a lot of targets? I mean,

523
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 1: Mike Gasicki is gone, you trit Surefield, I mean, who

524
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 1: else is going to take those durham Smythe's who's taking

525
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 1: targets away from these guys at this point.

526
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 2: And the best part is you get to a pretty

527
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 2: late so you could complete the You can totally totally

528
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 2: complete the stack.

529
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 1: It is not it is not unrealistic at all for

530
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:25,520
Speaker 1: you to complete that stack with those three guys. Next

531
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Speaker 1: one Deebo Samuel wide receiver seventeen going about thirty pick

532
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 1: thirty four overall versus Brandon Ayuk, who's wide receiver thirty

533
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Speaker 1: one at pick sixty one overall.

534
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Speaker 2: LQ, which one of these guys would you rather have?

535
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Speaker 3: This actually tripped me up because I've been against Ayuk

536
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 3: for the last couple of seasons, But he earned my respect,

537
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,439
Speaker 3: if I really think about it, like, he was very

538
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 3: productive and Devo got that contract and he battled some injury,

539
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 3: So it kind of tracks. You know, you get the money,

540
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 3: you know you underperform, But I really feel as though

541
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 3: like that gap between him, he said, why receiver seventeen

542
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,119
Speaker 3: and why receiver thirty thirty one is huge? That's it's

543
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 3: a huge gap, And I'm gonna go with the guy

544
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 3: that I think has the most upside in the forty

545
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 3: nine ers offense. That's Brandon and you because Deebo he

546
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 3: kind of took a step back in production, took a

547
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 3: step back in the rushing intents, but he still was

548
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 3: very effective in the red zone. So Deepot's store is

549
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 3: still going to score points. But on the outside, I'm

550
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 3: looking for the guy who has the healthy target share

551
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 3: behind Kittle, who's gonna catch most of the passes, the

552
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 3: short passes in middle, et cetera, et cetera. So I

553
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,360
Speaker 3: really feel like Brandon Auk would be a better pick

554
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 3: at that ADP at that price, because we know Deebo

555
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 3: does have that nasty injury history.

556
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,439
Speaker 1: He does have a lengthy injury. His sound's pretty much

557
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 1: I think it was Vinny Carter that tweeted it out

558
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 1: this morning. It was substantial what it was, and you

559
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 1: kind of forget about that, but yeah, he has, he

560
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 1: has taken some risks.

561
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 3: Wide receiver seventeen, You're still in that range where it's like,

562
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 3: you know, you want to get guys that are not

563
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 3: exactly proven but trustworthy. Like I feel as though he

564
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,919
Speaker 3: has that nasty injury history and brand Now you stepped

565
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:58,639
Speaker 3: up big in that offense last season. I don't think

566
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 3: people understand like how he was able to come out

567
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,439
Speaker 3: of that doghouse and do what he did last season

568
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 3: when Kittle's battle injury, deebas Ane's battle injury, the constant

569
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 3: rotation of quarterbacks like Bran Now, you kind of stood

570
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 3: in the face of adversity and stepped up. So he

571
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 3: got my respect. So he's definitely gonna be on my

572
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 3: roster come August.

573
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 2: All right, so do you concur Florio? I concur, But

574
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 2: I'm much less bullish on Ayuk. It's more that I

575
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 2: I'll just take the discount here because this is an

576
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 2: offense that I think could be the best or one

577
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 2: of the best in football. But the ball is gonna

578
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 2: be spread out so much. Like so taking a third

579
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 2: round pick on Deebo maybe even if he falls into

580
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 2: the four, like, you're paying a pretty high price to

581
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 2: get him, whereas like, yeah, you pay a similar price

582
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 2: maybe around or two later for Kittle, but he's a

583
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 2: tight end. So a down week for a tight end

584
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 2: being like eight points opposed to like getting that from

585
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 2: like your wide receiver two or two very different things.

586
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 2: So I'll just take the discount on Ayuk. I'm curious

587
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 2: to hear what you say, but the not receivers are

588
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 2: a tough one for me to figure out, because I

589
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,400
Speaker 2: also think it greatly comes down to who the quarterback

590
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 2: is going to be, and I don't think we could

591
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 2: say with any certainty right even though I think bron

592
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 2: Perdy is the guy they want it to be, I

593
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 2: don't think with confidence right now we could rule out

594
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 2: that he might not be ready.

595
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: That that is very much a question, and I think

596
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: that's a fair statement to make. I am. I'm thinking Ayuk.

597
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 1: I'm also kind of bullish on Brandon Ayuk because I

598
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: think the season he had last year, that's the season

599
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: we all expected him to have in twenty twenty one, right,

600
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: And because I remember being in multiple drafts. In fact,

601
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 1: I think Scott Fishball I think I was in and

602
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 1: I was like targeting Deebo, Samuel and I really I

603
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 1: was talking Brandon Ayuk.

604
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 2: I wanted Ayuk.

605
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 1: I wanted Ayuk, and somebody drafted him like two or

606
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: three picks before me, and I was like, fine, I'll

607
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: take Deebo Samuel And like you know, Deebo had that

608
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: phenomenal year. I already have fourteen hundred receiving yards. He

609
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 1: was like for a while he was a Niners' best

610
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 1: running back. I think he threw a touchdown past he

611
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: did everything and like he ended up saving my season.

612
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: But everybody was on Ayuk, and as you mentioned LQ,

613
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 1: he was in the doghouse. Yeah, last year he got

614
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 1: out of it mostly because and Matt Harmon has pointed

615
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: this out, he decided to start blocking. I mean it

616
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 1: wasn't had nothing to do with his route running or

617
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 1: his hands. It was just his effort when the ball

618
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 1: wasn't coming to him. And that's what made the difference

619
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: for Kyle Shanahan. And so once he did that, he

620
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: got on the field and he got more involved in

621
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: other aspects of the game. And what do you see.

622
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 1: He has over a thousand yards, he has eight touchdowns.

623
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: I think that's more of who Brandon Ayuk is. I

624
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: think Debo is still excellent. I think, you know, I

625
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: think last year he was beat up and that's why

626
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: the numbers were down a little bit. So I can

627
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 1: see that going up. But because of what I think

628
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: their potentials are, both of them, and where you're drafting Ayuk,

629
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: this is a no brainer to me. I'll take Ayuk in,

630
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: you know at wide receiver thirty four, all day thirty one,

631
00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: I stayed all day. Yeah, between the two of them now,

632
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: and yes, if it's brock Perty, I feel a lot

633
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: better than if it's say Trey Lance or Sam Darnold.

634
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: But either way, I think Kyle Shannan will figure out

635
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 1: a way to make these guys productive. At this point,

636
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: let's stay in the division and go up to Seattle.

637
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: I mentioned how much I like DK Metcalf and Tyler

638
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: Lockett right now. DK Metcalf is the wide receiver fifteen

639
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: going twenty ninth overall. Jackson Smith in Jigba is wide

640
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: receiver thirty going around pick sixty or sixty one. Tyler

641
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: Lockett is the third of the three, wide receiver thirty three,

642
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: pick sixty five overall. Florio, choose your Seahawk.

643
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,479
Speaker 2: Oh, this is the one that I feel most passionate

644
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 2: about by far, it's Tyler Lockett, and to me, it

645
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 2: is not even close. Like you're paying full price for

646
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 2: DK Metcalf and I'm not someone then who's like, oh,

647
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 2: this guy has never played a snap in the But

648
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 2: then you're taking a rookie over someone who was the

649
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 2: wide receiver thirteen last year. Tyler Lockett has eight touchdowns

650
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 2: or more in five shape seasons. It's the longest streak

651
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 2: in the NFL. He has one hundred targets in a

652
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 2: thousand yards in four straight seasons. He's been a top

653
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 2: sixteen Fantasy wide receiver in five straight seasons. He's missed

654
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 2: three games in his career. And here's the thing. For

655
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 2: all the JSN people out there who are like, he's better,

656
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah blah, Pete Carroll is one of

657
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 2: the most loyal head coaches in football. He's been riding

658
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 2: with Tyler Lockett for years. So on two wide receiver sets,

659
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 2: He's not going to pull Tyler Lockett off the field

660
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 2: for a rookie. He's just not in my opinion. And

661
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 2: then yes, they're gonna play more three wide receiver sets.

662
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 2: And I've seen people say like, well, Jsen has experienced,

663
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 2: you know, not doing a lot on not as much

664
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 2: volume playing in the crowded wide receiver room. I'm like, okay,

665
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 2: you know who's been the most efficient of them in

666
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 2: the NFL by far, Tyler Lockett. Like he's better on

667
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 2: a per target, per route, per catch basis than DK

668
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 2: metcalf is. I know they go to DK Moore in

669
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 2: the red zone, but he's been the more efficient red

670
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 2: zone player than DK metcalf. So to me, I'm like, okay,

671
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 2: you could continue to pay full price for DK and

672
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 2: to hype up the rookie. I'll just get the guy

673
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 2: that no one wants, and he'll probably end up with

674
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 2: the most Fantasy points on this bunch, just like he

675
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 2: did a year ago when he outscored DK metcalf.

676
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: I mean, look, you preach it to the choir here

677
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: because I'm team Tyler Lockett.

678
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 2: I don't know if you feel differently at all.

679
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,239
Speaker 3: The I mean all across the board. Tyler Lockett, Man,

680
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 3: he hit every point nail on the head because it's

681
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 3: just like a rookie's not going to come in and

682
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 3: push the most efficient guy on that offense to the

683
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 3: sideline just to be there, because he's a new shiny toy.

684
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 3: Like Tyler Lockett's been that guy. He's been him flat.

685
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: Out, Tyler Lockett. Man, he's quickly rising up the ranks

686
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: of wide receivers we take for granted, man, Like oh yeah,

687
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: you know, like for a whiles, Mike Evans. I think

688
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: Mike Evans has a fall off this year. Keenan Allen

689
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: is on that list. Tyler Lockett might be the one

690
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: one of wide receivers we take for granted at this point,

691
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: because you're right, I mean, all he does every single year,

692
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: it's just a thousand yards, it's eight to ten touchdowns.

693
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: Ho hum, I mean, who needs eighty catches? Like why

694
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: why why are we trying to just you know, shove

695
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: this guy aside? I don't I don't understand it.

696
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 2: And I'll say, like last year, just like Lakwana, I

697
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 2: was off of Tyler Lockett, and I thought Lockett was

698
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 2: a product of Russell Wilson because I was like, look

699
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 2: how efficient these two are.

700
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 3: That's what it was.

701
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 2: And now they're bringing in Genal Smith. They're gonna run

702
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 2: the ball like crazy. And then Geno Smith proved us

703
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 2: all wrong.

704
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 3: And like Arrow proved us wrong, Like give him Coach

705
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 3: of the Year, and all of.

706
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 2: A sudden, now they bring it. I get it, Jason,

707
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 2: he was all of our wide receiver ones and stuff

708
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 2: like that. But Doyler Lockett is still very, very proven

709
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 2: and has a head coach that loves.

710
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: Him, still very good. And it's I just remember last year,

711
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: like he was dropping and like I would be in

712
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: drafts and like Tyler Lockett still hang around in the

713
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: ninth round. I'm like, okay, all right, thanks.

714
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 2: Last year you were like I have a bunch of

715
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 2: Tyler Lottt just because I.

716
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: Know we're all worried about it, but like, ninth round

717
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: is ridiculous, Like, come on, folks, let's let's kind of

718
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: shut up a little bit.

719
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 2: It's kind of disrespectful and like you know that first.

720
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: People like, oh, yeah, maybe we should have drafted that, Yeah,

721
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: we should have.

722
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 2: The Tyl Lockett.

723
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: Uh, last one of the wide receivers, and this is

724
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: the one that sort of spawned this whole, uh, this

725
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: whole conversation. Yeah, man, George Pickens at wide receiver thirty seven,

726
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: going at pick seventy two, Deontay Johnson at wide receiver

727
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: thirty eight at seventy four overall, I mean, Mike, you

728
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: were the ones who texted like this is ridiculous, so big.

729
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: I mean, make your case. I mean I think we

730
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: probably all agree, but I just want to hear you

731
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: make the case for it.

732
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 2: Here. These two are getting closer and closer, because for

733
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 2: a while it was a bigger gap, and I think

734
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 2: maybe people are realizing. But last year, George Pickens was

735
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 2: targeted on fifteen percent of his routes, the lowest of

736
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 2: any wide receiver with seventy five targets. Deontay Johnson was

737
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 2: at twenty five percent. He was consistently getting double digit

738
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 2: targets each week. He was better on a per route

739
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 2: basis per catch. George Pickens to me, and I fell

740
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 2: for it last year. But the more I dive into

741
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 2: the numbers, the more I sour on him a little bit.

742
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 2: He's one of those players that you watch and he

743
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 2: does great things, like these contested catches, and you're like,

744
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 2: oh my God, give this guy the ball every play,

745
00:33:58,120 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 2: and then you look at him at the end of

746
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 2: his games and it's like four targets, five targets, six times.

747
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 2: It's like if they just threw the ball more to him.

748
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 2: But like we said earlier, getting targeted is a skill

749
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 2: and it's one that Deontay Johnson excels at. So give

750
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 2: me the guy that I feel comfortable is going to

751
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 2: get eight, nine, ten targets.

752
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 1: Again, George Pickens is a red zone guy, and not

753
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,399
Speaker 1: like red zone as an inside the twenty yard line,

754
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: as in a seven hours of commercial free football red

755
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: zone right where you only see I mean, think about it.

756
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 1: How many times you watch Red Zone Q and you like,

757
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: you see a guy make a couple of plays or

758
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: score a touch like the stud must have had a

759
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 1: huge game. You go to the box score and you're like,

760
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: he had three for like thirty seven and he just

761
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: had that one touchdown that we all six points, right,

762
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: And that just I feel like that's sort of where

763
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: George Pickens has made his name because for those of

764
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 1: us who watch games like that on Sunday, and you

765
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,439
Speaker 1: know a lot of us do, because it definitely helps

766
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: you with fantasy. That's what you remember. Look how many

767
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: how many social media videos of George Pickens did we

768
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: see last summer. He's making like ridiculous one handed catchers

769
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: like this dude's amazing, And I feel like everybody who

770
00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: dives into the numbers comes away like, huh, maybe.

771
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 3: Not this makes sense. I mean the fifteen percent target

772
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 3: shares would kind of sold me off of it because

773
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 3: it was just like you have Pat Farrimouf in that

774
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 3: offense as well, with a higher target share. He's seen

775
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,280
Speaker 3: more targets per game than him, And it's like Deontay Johnson,

776
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 3: you cannot disrespect him, man, you can't get Pickens before him.

777
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 3: When Deontay Johnson's still the alpha in the offense, He's

778
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 3: still earning those targets, and it looks like Pickens is

779
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,359
Speaker 3: not earning their targets. He's just available in the red zone.

780
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 1: Like you said, I also think Deontay Johnson has been

781
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: hurt by a lack of touchdowns.

782
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 3: Yes, definitely, you know.

783
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: I mean, like everybody we sit here, we talk about

784
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 1: with Deontay Johnson so great, and like, you know, if

785
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,399
Speaker 1: you're a casual fantasy player, like why if he's so great,

786
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: why did he have the same number of touchdowns as

787
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: me last year? Right? Like, I think it's hard to

788
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: sort of, you know, wash that away for people. I

789
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 1: always like to say touchdowns are fickle beasts, right like

790
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: it it Jamal Williams had what seventeen touchdowns last year.

791
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 1: Jamal Williams might have six touchdowns this year. Yeah, like

792
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: it could happen. I think what you have to look

793
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 1: into is how how a player is being used, and

794
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 1: Deontay Johnson is the guy who is, for lack of

795
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: a beg, he's the target magnet in that offense. I

796
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: would like for Kennie Pickett to be better. Yeah, I

797
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: would like the Steelers offense to be better, but as

798
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: it stands, Deontay Johnson is the guy. So I would

799
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,800
Speaker 1: suggest that if you're drafting George Pickens over Deontay Johnson

800
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 1: to I don't know, go go on, go on you know,

801
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 1: NFL game pass and watch a full Steelers game as opposed.

802
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 2: To watching the Steelers highlights. Yeah, to your point. When

803
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 2: I tweeted about Deontay Johnson's high target share, a response

804
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 2: I got was like, maybe the target share will help

805
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 2: him catch a touchdown next season, And I'm just like.

806
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 3: I can't say anything, but do we blame him for that? Though?

807
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 2: But they brought him back.

808
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 3: It all depends where the development where Kenny Pickett is

809
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,280
Speaker 3: at at this point where he's going into the season,

810
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,320
Speaker 3: and I feel like Deontay Johnson. He's still the alpha.

811
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 3: He's still going to see the high volume. If Kenny

812
00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 3: Pickett takes a step forward, then the touchdowns are going

813
00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 3: to come. If he ends next season with five touchdowns,

814
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be happy for Deontay Johnson.

815
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: I just look again, zero is the baseline, right, that's

816
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: rock bottom. I don't think he's gonna go zero touchdowns again.

817
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 1: Can't get negative one. You just can't. I mean unless

818
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: you're just you can't give touchdowns back, right, It's just

819
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: not gonna happen.

820
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 2: This show is I realized we support a lot of

821
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 2: people who him, Kadarius Tony, Kyle Pitts.

822
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: Who don't score touchdowns, not a lot of touchdowns in

823
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 1: tweet them. Maybe it's me, but it's not. It's not

824
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 1: doing wonders for our reputation. I say a quick break

825
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: will come back. We will do the same thing with

826
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,280
Speaker 1: some running backs on either side of this one.

827
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 2: Coming up next on the NFL Fantasy Football Show.

828
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: So we talked wide receiver teammate ADPs, let's do some

829
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: running backs, and we started with Miami for the wide receivers.

830
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: Might as well start with Miami at the running backs

831
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: because they got three guys, three guys that I think

832
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: they're going to use. I guess I could have gone

833
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: deeper than that, but we're gonna go Devon a Chain,

834
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 1: who's actually the first Dolphins running back off the board

835
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: running back thirty six, pick one oh nine, Raheem Moster

836
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 1: at RB forty seven, pick one fifty two, and Jeff

837
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: Wilson at RB fifty two pick one sixty nine. I

838
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: guess if I wanted to dig deeper, I could probably

839
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 1: find a Miles Gaskin or something in there. You know,

840
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,879
Speaker 1: alec Ingold, who we got to meet this summer, who's

841
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: very a very lovely person. I as much as I

842
00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 1: think he's a great person, no one's going to draft

843
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: him in fantasy.

844
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 2: You blunt about that?

845
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: So I mean the quand between a Chaine Mostart Wilson,

846
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: which Dolphin do you.

847
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 2: Like the most?

848
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 3: Listen last action hero catchrase for a Chain drafting him?

849
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 3: Big missake, big mistake here. I really feels the Raheem

850
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 3: Mostert is still the guy in the offense, and I

851
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 3: really don't think you re signed both running backs and

852
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 3: you actually traded for one of them last season, and

853
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 3: then Dravet a chain. If you're unsure about you know,

854
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 3: their abilities. Like Wilson, most are still gonna be to

855
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 3: want two punch. They were very solid last year in

856
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 3: the system, and I feel as though the Dolphins don't

857
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 3: run the ball enough for us to think a third

858
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 3: running back will be relevant on the field. I just

859
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 3: don't feel as though that's possible. So you have to

860
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 3: go with the running back one here.

861
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: Uh well, I mean, which one of the three do

862
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 1: you like most, Mike?

863
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 2: So I think right now is heavily skewed best ball

864
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 2: and for that I'd rather a Chan because I think

865
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 2: he's the home run hitter of the bunch, but I

866
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:32,280
Speaker 2: think he's going earlier than I like. In my early drafts,

867
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 2: the one that I've walked away with the most is

868
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 2: Jeff Wilson just because he's the cheapest, and that a

869
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 2: lot of the times when I'm unsure of a backfield,

870
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 2: I'll just be like, I'll go with the guy that.

871
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 2: But the thing is Rahee Moster is also insanely cheap,

872
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 2: So like the darts on both of those guys. If

873
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 2: you don't like a Chan. And Chan is a very

874
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 2: polarizing player. People either really seem to love him or

875
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 2: hate him. I'm kind of somewhere in the middle. I

876
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 2: think he can be their best back of the three,

877
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 2: but he's never going to lead a backfield. He's just

878
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 2: too small to that.

879
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: And I think that's sort of why I'm still on

880
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 1: the Raheem Mostert train.

881
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 3: Let's go right now.

882
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: I still think I think a chain is a nice piece.

883
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 1: I think he's you know, I would say he's a

884
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,800
Speaker 1: change of pace, but they've got a bunch of fast backs,

885
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: Like there's no it's from fast to faster right exactly.

886
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 4: You know.

887
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, I'm gonna, I'm gonna.

888
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 3: They all have home run ability at any ponent in

889
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:22,919
Speaker 3: the field, which is great, but it's like you can't

890
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 3: really put your bet on one.

891
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: I mean, let's on top of that. Raheem Mostert is

892
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: not a slouch in the passing game. I mean he

893
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: cut thirty one passes. Uh, you know, he you know,

894
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: nobody's going to confuse him with Christian McCaffrey or Saquon Barkley.

895
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: But he can get out there and he can do

896
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 1: some things. He's not a zero in the passing game

897
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: in this offense, so that doesn't you know, so a

898
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: Chaan's gonna have to battle to get some of that

899
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 1: third down passing game work. He's gonna throwing the fact that,

900
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:51,760
Speaker 1: as we mentioned, when you've got two guys like Jalen

901
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: Wattle and Tyreek Hill, uh, they're going to dominate the

902
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: target share anyway, or he most Art still has that

903
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: big playability. The only thing about most has been his

904
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,879
Speaker 1: injury history. But I mean we talk on the show

905
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: all the time like guy's hurt until he's not.

906
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,919
Speaker 2: You know, And so like Wilson misses like he missed

907
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 2: the playoff game, He's missed a good amount of time.

908
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: Right.

909
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 2: I think there's gonna be a week, at least one

910
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 2: week where we recommend starting all three of these in

911
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 2: the fantasy season.

912
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: Absolutely no, I think they they're all going to have

913
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: the just crazy right, which it is crazy, but I

914
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: think that's sort of how it's going to happen. Chan

915
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: is going to have a couple of big games. I

916
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: think it's inevitable, but I think for consistency's sake, I

917
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: still think Moster is the guy until further out.

918
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 3: What's important, too is to get your expectations in order

919
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 3: with this Dolphins backfield. Because I was hitting on on

920
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 3: Twitter the other day, Like they don't run the ball

921
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 3: enough for three guys to eat or even two, Like

922
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 3: it's either one or together. It's either a Wilson week

923
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 3: or Moster week. And you know they're solid when they

924
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,760
Speaker 3: play off each other. I just don't see the reality

925
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 3: for them to have three running backs fantasy relevant.

926
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 2: And I agree, And I could see so much of

927
00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 2: it coming down to who has the big play that week. Yes,

928
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,399
Speaker 2: because they're all the pretty. Wilson's the slowest of the bunch,

929
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 2: but he said they're all fast around frankly speed. So

930
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,879
Speaker 2: like that's why I like at where they're going. I'm

931
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 2: fine taking shots on them, but I would not want

932
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 2: to draft any of them as someone more than like

933
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 2: a bench spot.

934
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, exactly like the Dolphins backfield. It's like it's

935
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: like a picture. Who's like I can throw my fastball

936
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: at ninety eight, I can throw it at one oh two.

937
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw my change of but ninety three it's like,

938
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: what are you doing? That's what the Dolphins backfield is

939
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,919
Speaker 1: right now, staying in Florida, down in Jacksonville. I guess

940
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: up in Jacksonville for going from Miami. Travis etn RB

941
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: twelve right around pick thirty six, thirty seven versus Tank Bigsby,

942
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: who's getting a lot of Twitter buzz lately, RB forty nine,

943
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 1: pick one fifty four overall Floria which which Jaguar is

944
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 1: your guy?

945
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 2: Right now? I'm riding with Travis Etn. Still, I do

946
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 2: want to dive a little bit more into the numbers

947
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 2: with this backfield. But Etn was very good last year.

948
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 2: I know some metrics show that he was, like for

949
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 2: fantasy purposes, he was a good piece to have. And

950
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 2: the only thing is he was doing that without much

951
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,280
Speaker 2: pass game usage, and I don't know if Doug Peterson

952
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 2: will change that there. Like you said, there's so many

953
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 2: weapons in this Jacksonville offense. Now, I'm very excited for

954
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 2: this offense as a whole. I think biggs b was

955
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 2: brought in though, to cause last year they didn't they

956
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 2: didn't have a number two like James Robinson flamed out

957
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 2: and then it was Jamichael Hasty for a bit. There

958
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 2: was a couple other guys they tried. I think they

959
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 2: want someone who could be like the Hammer with Travis Etn,

960
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 2: but for fantasy purposes, that like Hammer short yardage role

961
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 2: isn't really too fantasy friendly unless he's getting goal on

962
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 2: work and I'm not confident he yet. I have to

963
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 2: again dive more into a Etn, but I'm not confident

964
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 2: that they're gonna take all the goal on work away

965
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 2: from him.

966
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 3: All right, okay, uh, I'm Travis Etn. I mean, it

967
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 3: does look very disgusting to see he saw less targets

968
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 3: in Rex burk Head last season.

969
00:43:58,360 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 1: But you know, it's a little disturbing.

970
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 3: But I'm not totally out on him and that offense again.

971
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 3: I'm gonna hit back on it with Calvin Ridley. Is

972
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 3: an addition they bring back Evan Ingram. This offense has

973
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 3: elevated forward, like it's got to a new level to

974
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 3: where it's like they're gonna have more scoring opportunities. To know,

975
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:14,959
Speaker 3: Travis ZTN might be used more in the red zone,

976
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 3: like we might see more points this season of Travis

977
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 3: Etn just based on the offense getting completely better from

978
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 3: what it was last year.

979
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: I I have become of the opinion, just sort of

980
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: reading and listening to other people that Travis Etn is

981
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,720
Speaker 1: never going to be a big pass catcher no the NFL.

982
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,720
Speaker 1: And that's not what I thought when he was drafted.

983
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 1: You know, I figured I said this before. I thought

984
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: what the Jaguars were going to do ideally was sort

985
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: of use Etn and James Robinson as a version of

986
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 1: what the Browns were doing with Kareem Hunt and Nick Chubb.

987
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that didn't work out.

988
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: You know, Robinson unfortunately gets hurt, really just flamed out,

989
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 1: as you mentioned last year, ends up getting traded. And

990
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: Etn is not the pass catcher that Kareem Hunt is,

991
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: you know, for the people who grind tape and watch

992
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: and know these sorts of things, just say, he sort

993
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,320
Speaker 1: of looks lost out there running routes like he's just

994
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: not It's just not the thing that he is comfortable doing.

995
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 1: And I and and when you have look, when you've

996
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: got Calvin Ridley and Christian Kirk and Za Jones and

997
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,399
Speaker 1: Evan Ingram like you, you don't need your running back

998
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 1: to be all that great. And you know, I was like, hey,

999
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: stand here and if things break down, maybe Trevor will

1000
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 1: throw it to you every once in a while, like

1001
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 1: that's gonna be his role in the passing game. So

1002
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: I think that sort of limits it. The other thing

1003
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: that concerns me, as you mentioned, Mike that he's not

1004
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: a big short yardage guy, and I worry that Biggsby's

1005
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 1: gonna come in and take some of those goal line opportunities,

1006
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: which is bad news for a guy that only had

1007
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 1: five rushing touchdowns to begin with. That number comes down.

1008
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 1: It worries me. Having said all that, I'm still taking

1009
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: travesyta just because I think the opportunities are going to

1010
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:51,320
Speaker 1: be there, the volume is going to be there, and

1011
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: at this position, just just the volume of touches is

1012
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: enough to kind of win the day for these guys.

1013
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: But but RB twelve for Dravesy feels a little spicy.

1014
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 1: It is a little high, and I feel saying that

1015
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 1: out loud, You're like, it was a little bit spicy, right,

1016
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: So I don't I don't know that. I think I

1017
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: will have not a lot of Travis et in just

1018
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: because if that's where I have to reach to get him,

1019
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna feel comfortable about it. That's all Baltimore,

1020
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 1: this one. I need one of you to explain this

1021
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: one to me, right.

1022
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:20,479
Speaker 2: JK.

1023
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:24,720
Speaker 1: Dobbins RB eighteen U pick fifty seven overall. Gus Edwards

1024
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:28,800
Speaker 1: RB sixty pick one ninety five. I saw this and

1025
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: I really spent a good twenty minutes just like googling news.

1026
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 1: I'm like, am I missing something on Gus Edwards? Like?

1027
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 2: What am I?

1028
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: Where am I? Where am I going wrong? Is he hurt?

1029
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 1: Did he get kidnapped? Like? Why is there such a

1030
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: big gap between these two of these guys when the

1031
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: Ravens have shown consistently that they are going to split

1032
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 1: their carries fairly evenly. We know Lamar Jackson's going to

1033
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: get a good chunk of them. They have a new

1034
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator in Todd Monkin LQ. Which one do you want?

1035
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 1: And why is this gap so big between the two

1036
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: of them?

1037
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 3: Listen, I got me honest, I'm fading this complete Backfield's

1038
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,919
Speaker 3: also I'm not really excited about this backfield just based

1039
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 3: on the limited you know, carriage between the two and

1040
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 3: neither of them catch passes, so you're kind of banking

1041
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 3: on touchdowns. You're just hoping that JK. Dobbins takes one

1042
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:15,919
Speaker 3: from outside the twenty to the house. You're hoping Gus

1043
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 3: Edwards is on goal line duty when they're on the five. Like,

1044
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 3: these are things that you're gonna have your expectations with

1045
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:24,720
Speaker 3: these two and that ADP for JK. Dobbins is completely disgusting,

1046
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 3: to be honest, And the gap between Gus Edwards, it

1047
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 3: doesn't make sense because they're basically in the same position.

1048
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 3: They're the same running back basically, So I'm not too

1049
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 3: sure why the gap is so big. But like I said,

1050
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 3: I'm probably gonna fade this entire backfield.

1051
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, does it make sense to you?

1052
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,399
Speaker 2: Please? No, I don't. In my early drafts, I don't

1053
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 2: know if I have any JK. Dobbins, maybe like one

1054
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 2: just to have a share of him. But yeah, I

1055
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:49,439
Speaker 2: think they're gonna run the ball less, at least design runs.

1056
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 2: Like I still think we'll get more scrambling out of

1057
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson than we have in the past because a

1058
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 2: lot of his runs have been designed. But like, they're

1059
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 2: gonna throw the ball more. They've shown that they've changed

1060
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 2: offensive coordinators, they brought in a bunch of receivers, and

1061
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 2: then yeah, I understand that Gus Edwards was limited a

1062
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 2: lot of last season and maybe people just kind of

1063
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 2: forgot about him. But one ninety five overall is like

1064
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 2: a eighteenth round pick or something like that. Yeah, So

1065
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 2: I actually on a lot of teams just take like

1066
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 2: a six running back is Gus Edwards, just because I'm like, hey,

1067
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 2: he's won JK Dobbins injury away from being the Ravens

1068
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 2: lead running back and I get a one hundred and

1069
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 2: forty pick discount on him.

1070
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: I mean, and especially if you're talking best ball, there's

1071
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,839
Speaker 1: always a chance Gus Edwards just has himself a day. Yeah,

1072
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: It's like there's a chance and he just has a day.

1073
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: I just I really, like I said, I spent a

1074
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 1: lot of time just googling, just scrolling and just trying

1075
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: to figure out like four. But it's like you're saying,

1076
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,919
Speaker 1: like like I have to be missing something. There's something

1077
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: I'm not seeing or something I forgot about, Like it

1078
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: just didn't really understand it. I would much rather have

1079
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: Gus Edwards at that ADP because I just don't see JK.

1080
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: Dobbins being that much better than Edwards over the course

1081
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: of the season. I mean, I think I think Lakwan

1082
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: your your attitude of like fading, it was probably probably

1083
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 1: the best one. But if I got to pick one,

1084
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,399
Speaker 1: it's just I just don't understand why I wouldn't take

1085
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: Gus Edwards. I don't know, I don't get it. I'm confused.

1086
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: If somebody out there has any explanation, please still a JK.

1087
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:26,280
Speaker 2: Dobbins high. For some reason, like people in the fantasy

1088
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 2: space love to hold on to their priors, and I've

1089
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 2: seen people say like the best from JK. Dobbins has

1090
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 2: yet to come. I mean maybe they're right.

1091
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: I mean they could be right, but at this point,

1092
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:39,720
Speaker 1: I mean, again, in that backfield, on that offense, how passionate,

1093
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 1: but how much higher is the ceiling really than what

1094
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 1: we've seen.

1095
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 2: Out of JK. Dobbins so far?

1096
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,839
Speaker 1: I don't know last one, and I saw this one

1097
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: because I would be one of these guys after doing

1098
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: just some some preliminary research, I've kind of become more

1099
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 1: enamored with than the others. But in Chicago Khalil Herbert

1100
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 1: RB forty pick one twenty three, Rookie Rashawn Johnson at

1101
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: RB forty five, pick one forty one, and Deontay Foreman

1102
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,839
Speaker 1: at RB fifty pick one sixty two. So they're all

1103
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 1: within a few picks of each other. They're all fairly

1104
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 1: bunched together, the three of them. Mike, of those three

1105
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,879
Speaker 1: Bears receivers, which one or running backs?

1106
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 2: Rather? Which one would you be rocking with Khalil Herbert.

1107
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 2: Last year, he led all not just the Bears, like

1108
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 2: all running backs in percentage of runs that went for

1109
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 2: ten or more yards, and he also led them in

1110
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 2: yards after contact per carry. He was better than David

1111
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 2: Montgomery was last season, even though Montgomery had more volume.

1112
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:42,280
Speaker 2: I really do think Khalil Herbert is a good, talented

1113
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,880
Speaker 2: running back and I kind of love. At first, I

1114
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 2: hated that the Bears brought in other running backs because

1115
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 2: I was like, no, Khalil Herbert could be something great.

1116
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 2: But it's led to Khalil Herbert being drafted as a

1117
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 2: bench player, Like he's not even in RB three, He's

1118
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 2: going as an RB four. So I will take the

1119
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 2: upside shot on Khalil Herbert.

1120
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 1: There are you still are? Are you also rocking with Herbert?

1121
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 3: Absolutely? It's Herbert season.

1122
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 2: Man.

1123
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,399
Speaker 3: I love Deontay Foreman. I have been a huge fan

1124
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 3: of him and I love his comeback story. He earned

1125
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 3: every opportunity he gets. I was so upset, you know,

1126
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 3: the Chicago went out and get him. But I'm just

1127
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 3: happy he gets another opportunity. But Clil Herbert, man, he

1128
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 3: is a beast waiting to feast. Like he hits that

1129
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,280
Speaker 3: second level he's taking into the house, and he's shown

1130
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:28,319
Speaker 3: ability to be productive even with Monty on the field

1131
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:31,399
Speaker 3: and with his limited play, he's still putting up huge

1132
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:33,879
Speaker 3: numbers and he's still able to find the end zone.

1133
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 3: And I feel as though there was a time in

1134
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 3: the first four weeks where Monty had zero red zone

1135
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 3: carries and it was all Khalil Herbert. So the scoring

1136
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 3: opportunity increased throughout the season. So I honestly see this

1137
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 3: as his backfield steel still and foreman will play that

1138
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 3: one two punch with him.

1139
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 1: I guess I'm making get a clean sweet because the

1140
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,320
Speaker 1: more I dive in, the more I like Khalil Herbert.

1141
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: I guess, excuse me. The caveat here is that Justin

1142
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: Field is still going to run a lot. Yeah, he

1143
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 1: is probably going to be the Bears leading rusher at

1144
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 1: the end of the season. So so I mean, you know,

1145
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: in that respect, it's definitely wise that that you're you know,

1146
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 1: if you're drafting Herbert, it probably is is a fourth

1147
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,360
Speaker 1: running back maybe something like that, just because I mean,

1148
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: the Bears, I think statifically they had the worst offense.

1149
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: I think they were the worst scoring offense in the league.

1150
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 1: Last year. If not, they were pretty close to it,

1151
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: so that's sort of worth keeping in mind. But they're

1152
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: gonna be better. I think they're gonna be better this

1153
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 1: year than Las last year. Right, there's really no way.

1154
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: You're right, there's nowhere to go but up.

1155
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 2: Actually they were.

1156
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 1: They were twenty third end points scored, So that's it's

1157
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: not the worst. It's not great, not the worst. I

1158
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,240
Speaker 1: think they get better, and I think that's gonna help Herbert.

1159
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: Of the three, he's the guy that I would rather have,

1160
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: and especially because you look at their ADPs. I mean,

1161
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: Herbert pick one three, you're talking about ninth tenth round

1162
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: at this point, like you're not You're not giving up

1163
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,040
Speaker 1: a lot, You're not risking a lot to bring and

1164
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:05,320
Speaker 1: khail Herbert. So anybody like Raean Johnson Rank does I

1165
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 1: mean Rank likes all of these guys. It's not they're

1166
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 1: all bears, like he loves all.

1167
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,800
Speaker 3: Of I just don't know yet. You know, it's a

1168
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 3: it's a large running back room. If he finds his

1169
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 3: way in the field, he does great things, you know,

1170
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 3: good for him.

1171
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 2: I think he was underrated playing behind Bijon, Like he

1172
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 2: was really good at forcing this tackles too. The only

1173
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:27,320
Speaker 2: difference is he would force him and then run for

1174
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,439
Speaker 2: like four yards, whereas Bijeon would run for like forty. Yeah,

1175
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 2: touch He doesn't have to breakaway speed, which probably for fantasy,

1176
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:36,919
Speaker 2: means he's not going to be great.

1177
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 1: Very true, especially if you're not getting goal line work,

1178
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 1: if you're not being if you're not gonna be able

1179
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 1: to pop a few long runs for touchdowns.

1180
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 3: It's behind Khalil Herbert, like.

1181
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 2: There you go. There it is for him.

1182
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,320
Speaker 1: So anyway, that's our look at some teammate head to heads.

1183
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 1: You'll do this again before the summer is out. It's

1184
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: always fun and things will shift so we can we

1185
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 1: can do this another time. But it's time for the

1186
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:08,320
Speaker 1: latest edition of Florio's Film Festival. This week's selection courtesy

1187
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: of Lakwan Jones. It is the Last Action Hero the

1188
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,320
Speaker 1: quick Synopsis. With the help of a magic ticket, a

1189
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: young movie fan is transported into the fictional world of

1190
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: his favorite action movie character.

1191
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:20,240
Speaker 2: A couple of quick facts.

1192
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: Released June eighteenth, nineteen ninety three, with a budget of

1193
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:27,240
Speaker 1: eighty five million, it's worldwide gross one hundred and thirty

1194
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 1: seven million. I do remember that this movie was considered

1195
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 1: sort of a box office flop. Yeah, for what they spent,

1196
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 1: especially because at the time, I think Arnold Schwarzenegger had

1197
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: been on kind of a heater and this one was

1198
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: sort of a dud for him. So it didn't you know,

1199
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: it just it wasn't great. I will give the Florida

1200
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 1: you though, Lacoran, because this is one of your favorite movies. No,

1201
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 1: it's like I want, I want you to wax poetic

1202
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: about your your your nostalgia about this film and what

1203
00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 1: it is that you know that you loved about it.

1204
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,720
Speaker 3: So I grew up on action movies. So my grandma

1205
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,320
Speaker 3: she's a huge fan, damn fan, Chuck Norris, you know

1206
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 3: all those guys.

1207
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: And you know there's just a little Time Cop with grandma. Yeah,

1208
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 1: he actually loved Time Cod.

1209
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 3: Like we kind of bonded on the action movies. And

1210
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 3: like you gotta understand, like the nineties, like the late

1211
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 3: eighties and nineties action movies were so like predictable, I

1212
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 3: want to say, like the exaggeration of the explosions, the

1213
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 3: incredibly large weapons, and like the cheesy catchphrases and stuff

1214
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 3: like big Mistake. And I feel like this movie like

1215
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 3: basically made fun of his own movies. He made fun

1216
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 3: of himself. He made fun of like all the other competition,

1217
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 3: like you Got Terminator, he's in the serious roles You

1218
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 3: Got Predator Commando in the late eighties, and then he

1219
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 3: does Total Recall and Terminator too, and it's like, Okay,

1220
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 3: we kind of predict how this is gonna go. And

1221
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 3: even in the movie he says I'll be back, and

1222
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 3: then the Kny and the Kit Danny's like, well, we

1223
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 3: kind of know that you kind of working in all

1224
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 3: your movies, which is true, Like he tries to work

1225
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 3: all his action catch hraises in all his movies, and

1226
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 3: like it's so cool to see them break the fourth

1227
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,359
Speaker 3: wall and it's like sat tire and like you really

1228
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,800
Speaker 3: don't see that in like action movies. And it's like,

1229
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:10,840
Speaker 3: why is he making fun of like the business, and

1230
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,320
Speaker 3: like that's why I love this movie, how it's written

1231
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 3: and how it's done. The explosion just over dramatic, dude,

1232
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 3: Like come on, man, like why is this like that?

1233
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:20,839
Speaker 2: So here's the thing.

1234
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:24,319
Speaker 1: Everything you said, I completely agree with you, right, same

1235
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: twelve year old Marcus would have loved the hell out

1236
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, right, for that very reason because it

1237
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 1: was it's a love letter one to movies in general,

1238
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 1: more specifically, a love letter to action movies more specifically

1239
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 1: than that, a love Arnold Schwartz, and they are basically

1240
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 1: he did he poked fun at himself like the whole time,

1241
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 1: Like there were little things about it that were great.

1242
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: It was like him going into the police station and

1243
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 1: you know, the T one thousand walks out and Sharon Stone,

1244
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 1: who was his wife in total recall, comes walking out

1245
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: the front door, like that stuff was cool. Part of me,

1246
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 1: part of me, like you know, part of grown up

1247
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 1: Marcus couldn't couldn't completely up out of it, and so

1248
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 1: like part of like this is kind of corny too.

1249
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 1: At the same time, I I I, like I said,

1250
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 1: I I enjoyed it for what it was, But I

1251
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:13,760
Speaker 1: guess twelve year old Marcus would.

1252
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 2: Have loved the hell lot of this movie. Florida.

1253
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 1: I got it because it's like you we walked in

1254
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 1: this morning, we walked in together before you want and

1255
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 1: I know you're doing a ranking of you know, all

1256
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 1: the movies we've watched so far, and your first words

1257
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 1: to me were, face off has some competition, So I

1258
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 1: gotta get your your take on the last action Hero.

1259
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 2: I agree with everything both of you said. I might

1260
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 2: have liked this a lot more if I saw it,

1261
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 2: probably not only when I was younger, but when it

1262
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 2: came out especially. I will say though, for like, I

1263
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 2: knew nothing going into this movie. I didn't know that

1264
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 2: it was a parody like that became abundantly clear that

1265
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 2: it becomes it becomes clear pretty pretty early. But until

1266
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 2: I fully realized that, I was super confused. I was like,

1267
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 2: what is going on? Why is this grenade becoming a knife,

1268
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 2: and why is he throwing a loaded grenade at his son?

1269
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:08,840
Speaker 2: And why is all of this going on? And why

1270
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 2: is there a cartoon cat that appears right? Like, Yeah,

1271
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 2: there was a lot of me that was like I

1272
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 2: understand what they're trying to do here, and it's funny.

1273
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:19,440
Speaker 2: But then there was also a lot of moments where

1274
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 2: I was like, oh that was kind of corny or yeah,

1275
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 2: more often than not, And this is how I judge

1276
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 2: a lot of these movies is like I found myself

1277
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 2: like kind of drifting towards my phone and.

1278
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 3: How it's like a little long.

1279
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:33,439
Speaker 1: I realized that, yeah, it's definitely about you know, twenty

1280
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 1: to thirty minutes too.

1281
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:36,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I realized that as an adult may watch. I

1282
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 3: was like, yo, this movie is kind of long's happening.

1283
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 2: There was a point it was after the cat shoots

1284
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 2: the guy, like I thought the movie was over. Oh,

1285
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 2: and then there was pretty when I paused it and

1286
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 2: I was like, there's another forty minutes left.

1287
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 1: Of this movie, Like I thought it was truly it's crazy.

1288
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 3: You said the cat shot the guy first.

1289
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 2: Of all, and then he's just like yeah. There was

1290
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 2: a lot of this movie where I like, I kind

1291
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 2: of found myself not paying attention, and for what it's worth,

1292
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 2: I always do some research on it after and Arnold

1293
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 2: Schwarzenegger had said he wanted to delay the releasing a

1294
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 2: month because it came out a week after Jurassic Park

1295
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 2: and he knew.

1296
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 1: They would get slaughtered in the back, which was probably right.

1297
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 1: And so one of the fun facts about this movie

1298
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 1: that filming continued until the week before it debuted in theater.

1299
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:23,600
Speaker 2: I have no idea.

1300
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 1: Apparently the original test screenings went badly, so they went

1301
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 1: and had to like reshoot some things and try to

1302
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:32,400
Speaker 1: fix it, and it just they didn't have time to

1303
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 1: really do it right. And so I'm sure that's part

1304
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 1: of the reason that it didn't do well in theater.

1305
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 1: It just wasn't finished, at least not finished the way

1306
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 1: they wanted it to be. I was going back, and

1307
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 1: like I said, Arnold had been on a heater, really,

1308
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 1: I mean going back to the early eighties, right, I

1309
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 1: mean you go back nineteen eighty two. Eighty yeah, eighty two.

1310
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 1: He had Conan the Barbarian, which was huge. Conander Destroyer

1311
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 1: was eighty four, Terminator was eighty four. Commando was eighty five,

1312
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 1: which a really big deal. Predator was eighty seven. The

1313
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 1: Running Man was eighty seven. Twins which was kind of funny,

1314
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 1: which also had Switched it Up, which had Danny DeVito

1315
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 1: who played the voice of the cartoon cap was eighty eight.

1316
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 1: Total recall in ninety Kindergarten Cop Terminator two in The

1317
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 1: Last Action Hero. I mean, like all those other movies

1318
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 1: have been like heaters, right, it's just been bangers. And

1319
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 1: then he like kind of drops this and it was like,

1320
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 1: oh yeah, you know, so timing it's just right like it,

1321
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. There were some other little

1322
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 1: fun things. This was the last feature film for Tina Turner,

1323
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 1: which sort of was fitting because we watch it just

1324
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of days after she died.

1325
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 2: Rip.

1326
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 1: It was her last feature film, her last as an actress.

1327
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 1: Let's see filming and Mike is the New York City

1328
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 1: guy here. Filming involved a seven day three pm to

1329
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,000
Speaker 1: three am shutdown of Times Square.

1330
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 2: I'm so curious how that worked, how that worked and

1331
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 2: is this the last time they ever did that, because,

1332
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 2: like I've when I used to work in Manhattan, I

1333
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 2: was one subway station after Times Square.

1334
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 5: I would have hated this movie the principle alone if

1335
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 5: they made me like have to walk around Times Square

1336
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 5: or something like that, like that's why, like there's so

1337
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 5: many people in Times Square all.

1338
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 1: The time, all the time, and like from three in

1339
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 1: the afternoon that's prime tourists.

1340
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, three a m. That's like when bars are closing,

1341
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:27,760
Speaker 2: so like you're really hurting business.

1342
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 1: That that alone, I think she would have made New

1343
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 1: Yorkers hate this film.

1344
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't want to see it.

1345
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 1: What else mccauleay Culkin was in mind for the role

1346
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 1: of Danny, but he was shooting some other things at

1347
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 1: the time. Was busy, No, he was doing I think

1348
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 1: like The good Son A couple of a couple of

1349
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 1: lesser around that time, Lesser McCaulay Culchin films, but he

1350
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 1: was not available because I love.

1351
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:51,479
Speaker 2: That the twelve year old was too busy to Sorry, sorry,

1352
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 2: I can't do your big life, I can't do your

1353
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 2: big movie.

1354
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 3: Good. Yeah it might, it might have changed it.

1355
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:00,120
Speaker 2: With the movie not only being long, was that I

1356
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 2: felt like they tried to make too much happen, Like

1357
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 2: why did Danny get handcuffed to the oiler room?

1358
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:11,680
Speaker 1: Like why did that whole scene have to happen? You know,

1359
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 1: nothing could have happened in that. It honestly would have.

1360
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 1: I think it would have worked better. They spent way

1361
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 1: too much time in the movie world before coming to

1362
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 1: the real real world. Yeah, they they could have shortened

1363
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:23,440
Speaker 1: all that time because I thought it was really actually

1364
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 1: funny and really good.

1365
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:26,000
Speaker 2: When Arnold shows up.

1366
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 1: And he's like, I'm gonna give you an explosion and

1367
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 1: he shoots the cab and like nothing happens, pop and

1368
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 1: he puts a couple of holes in the trunk and

1369
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 1: like that's the end of it or he is not

1370
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 1: a movie. He punches the windows like my hond hoos.

1371
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, stuff like that was funny, right, when

1372
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:41,520
Speaker 1: you have the bad guy. You know, you have the

1373
01:02:41,560 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 1: bad guy who like kills somebody in an alley and

1374
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 1: like screams out loud like I have just murdered a man,

1375
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 1: and like the cops don't show up.

1376
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:49,600
Speaker 3: Like having that was.

1377
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:52,440
Speaker 1: Cool, But you had to watch over an hour of

1378
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 1: the movie, yeah, to get to the real or for

1379
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:58,040
Speaker 1: like for that payoff. So I mean really, like if

1380
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:00,280
Speaker 1: it was about twenty to thirty minutes short, I think

1381
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 1: it would have been a lot that higher, a lot

1382
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 1: better of a movie. I did like the Lanister dad though, Yeah,

1383
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 1: the Taiwan Lanister as the as the bad guy with

1384
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:08,440
Speaker 1: the glass eye.

1385
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 2: It looks like he doesn't age from that movie to game. No,

1386
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 2: he's still the same.

1387
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 1: I was like, how this is thirty years afore, thirty

1388
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:18,520
Speaker 1: thirty years later, Your your son, your bastard son is

1389
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 1: going to shoot an e while you're sitting on the

1390
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 1: to like that's what's going to happen. Sorry, yeah, I

1391
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 1: mean that that was sort of it. So I have

1392
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:29,920
Speaker 1: to ask you, though Lakwan is the one person here

1393
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 1: who has seen it, does it hold up to you

1394
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 1: the way now as an adult as it did for.

1395
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 2: When you were a kid.

1396
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:40,320
Speaker 3: Absolutely not, not at all. I watched it again, like

1397
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 3: right before the pot and I was just like, ah,

1398
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:43,960
Speaker 3: this is too long, and I'm just like, there's so

1399
01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:46,160
Speaker 3: many scenes that could be left out to like dumb

1400
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:48,240
Speaker 3: it down, like and like you said, they spent too

1401
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 3: much time in the movie world. But I think they

1402
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 3: did that so they can do all the like the

1403
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 3: big explosion, the stuntson like if you love fast interfears.

1404
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 1: For what all their stunts is that you know those

1405
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 1: that honestly seriously, That's the other thing I was thinking, right,

1406
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:03,240
Speaker 1: Like in nineteen ninety three when this movie came out,

1407
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, they were on Jack Slater four, right, and

1408
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 1: like that was like a big deal. They were they

1409
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 1: were running out of reasons for him to get mad,

1410
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 1: like you killed my second cousins like now, right, Like

1411
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 1: but that was the joke that they have run out

1412
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 1: of people to kill to make it personal for him.

1413
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, we love in a world where there's fast X, right,

1414
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 1: and dom Tretto has had so many family members come

1415
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 1: out of the woodwork now and they've done so many

1416
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 1: ridiculous things so that what was ridiculous and over the

1417
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:32,560
Speaker 1: top in nineteen ninety three is just that's just kind

1418
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 1: of an action movie.

1419
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:36,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like, oh, this is what they did. Like seriously,

1420
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 3: it's the one scene he's like, you're driving with no

1421
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 3: hands and he goes it helps if you practice a lot, Like, no,

1422
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:43,400
Speaker 3: that's not logic, Like what are you talking about?

1423
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 1: I mean but Justin Lynn did that in like how

1424
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 1: many Fast and Furious movies, right, like he directed those movies.

1425
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 1: Like that was just I mean, don Treto's jumping cars

1426
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:53,800
Speaker 1: and swooping people, like swooping up people, Like that's just.

1427
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:56,520
Speaker 3: Those movie cars nuts, right, what are you doing?

1428
01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:58,360
Speaker 1: So like it's one of the things where thirty years

1429
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 1: thirty years ago, like this was all ridiculous stuff and

1430
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 1: now we're like, yeah, that's what you do in an

1431
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 1: action movie.

1432
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 2: That's just how it is. I think the movie was

1433
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 2: a really good idea, Like to me, it's one of

1434
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 2: those great ideas. Poor execution, Yeah, Like I think if

1435
01:05:12,080 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 2: it was executed better, it could have been really really

1436
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:16,760
Speaker 2: well done. But there was just they were they were

1437
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 2: trying to be too many different things, and at some

1438
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 2: point I even think the parody went over the top,

1439
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:25,360
Speaker 2: Like when the boss is just screaming and steaming words,

1440
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:27,800
Speaker 2: I was like, scond I would have thought this was

1441
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 2: really funny, but now I'm like, Okay, I've watched hour

1442
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 2: in forty five minutes, let's wrap it up. That's my

1443
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 2: other takeaway was I was like, I feel like nineties

1444
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 2: movies like had to be two hours because everyone is

1445
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:42,800
Speaker 2: like two and four minutes or something like that. Like, yeah,

1446
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 2: it was.

1447
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 1: It was sort of like, you know, like you're writing

1448
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:46,480
Speaker 1: a paper and you don't really have enough, you know,

1449
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:49,520
Speaker 1: enough material, so you're just like, you know, and so

1450
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 1: the dictionary defines length as how long something you know,

1451
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:55,360
Speaker 1: it's just like whatever, Like it was just it just

1452
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:57,440
Speaker 1: didn't It didn't quite work.

1453
01:05:57,280 --> 01:05:59,000
Speaker 2: Because I feel like movies are shorter nowadays.

1454
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 1: I don't know, I think that ninety minutes people just like,

1455
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 1: let's just tell the story and get in and out.

1456
01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:04,120
Speaker 2: You know, everybody's got stuff to.

1457
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:05,440
Speaker 3: Do, which they could have did with this movie. I

1458
01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:07,600
Speaker 3: just don't know why this movie was ninety.

1459
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 2: Instead of what was it like two hours?

1460
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 1: Like it would have been been a much better enjoyable,

1461
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:16,720
Speaker 1: absolutely so than Flora. Would you willingly watch this movie again?

1462
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:19,720
Speaker 2: I guess To answer your question, the thought I had

1463
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 2: was like I understand in the mid nineties, like if

1464
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 2: this was on TV, it's like, oh, okay, this is

1465
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 2: but now we have so many options that no, I

1466
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:29,439
Speaker 2: don't think I would ever. Like last night, I turned

1467
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 2: Netflix on after I had watched this movie and then

1468
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:33,440
Speaker 2: I like did other stuff and I put it back

1469
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:36,160
Speaker 2: on and it said like it was like play again,

1470
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:40,000
Speaker 2: and I was like, never, never, not happening. Yeah, So

1471
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:42,920
Speaker 2: I'm sorry to say this, la kwan. I think this

1472
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 2: comes in last.

1473
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:47,040
Speaker 1: For me and oh really behind Face Off even think so.

1474
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:49,640
Speaker 3: It's a low key win for me because isn't last.

1475
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:54,240
Speaker 2: Here's the thing. So, like I Face Off, Yeah, okay,

1476
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:54,880
Speaker 2: I like it.

1477
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 1: I watched I was sort of like you with Face

1478
01:06:58,040 --> 01:06:59,520
Speaker 1: Off right where I watched Face Off again. I'm like,

1479
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 1: this is not hold up at all. Like, so, I

1480
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 1: you and I both have something that's, you know, kind

1481
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 1: of falls in the same category. I'm I'm I'm with Florida.

1482
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 1: They're like, I don't think I've seen it. I'm like,

1483
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:11,000
Speaker 1: all right, I'm glad I have seen it, right, Like

1484
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 1: I can say that I've seen it and I can

1485
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 1: talk about it, you know, educatedly. Uh yeah, I don't

1486
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 1: think I'll watch it again.

1487
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 2: You know, all the movies that we've watched, you've been

1488
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 2: watching with this rank last for you?

1489
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 1: No, I mean I think I put it above Face Off.

1490
01:07:24,320 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 1: I think face Off is still of the ones we've

1491
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:30,560
Speaker 1: watched so far, the worst one because because at least

1492
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:34,480
Speaker 1: this one, this one was sort of so it knew

1493
01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:37,600
Speaker 1: what it was like. It didn't it didn't execute it properly,

1494
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 1: but it knew what it was trying to do, Like

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01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:42,360
Speaker 1: Face Off was like trying to kind of be an

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01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:45,040
Speaker 1: action movie. Like I don't think Face Off. I don't

1497
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:47,480
Speaker 1: think it leaned into the ridiculousness quite enough.

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01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 3: In face his face off and put it on the face.

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01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:52,280
Speaker 2: I think the reason I guess Face Off was a

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01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:55,000
Speaker 2: little different was because for me, I went in expecting

1501
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 2: it to be like a joke, like everything that you

1502
01:07:57,680 --> 01:07:59,440
Speaker 2: guys had all told me, right, And I think the

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01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:01,560
Speaker 2: reason I get a little bit more is because I

1504
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:03,320
Speaker 2: understand so many means now.

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01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:06,880
Speaker 1: That movie, Yeah, you know what, The Last Action Hero

1506
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:09,160
Speaker 1: does not have meme ability like you just don't know.

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01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:12,240
Speaker 3: I actually type it on the gift surgeon. That much

1508
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 3: comes up.

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01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:15,200
Speaker 2: You can use it interesting. Face Off and H and

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01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:17,880
Speaker 2: conn Air are probably the biggest meme movies that we've

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01:08:17,880 --> 01:08:19,880
Speaker 2: watched so far that we've watched. Yeah, no doubt.

1512
01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:22,680
Speaker 1: One of the things is I talk about self awareness, right,

1513
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:29,200
Speaker 1: Danny Madigan has made the Jack Slater movies materially worse

1514
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:31,320
Speaker 1: because at the end of the movie, you know, when

1515
01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:34,280
Speaker 1: Danny you know, fades back into the real world and

1516
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:36,200
Speaker 1: then you know, Jack Slater goes into the office and

1517
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:38,599
Speaker 1: he's getting screamed at by by his boss. He turns

1518
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:40,639
Speaker 1: it around and he's like, you wille the comic relief,

1519
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:45,080
Speaker 1: I am the hero. Hollywood is writing these lines for us, right,

1520
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:47,679
Speaker 1: and so like now he's aware that he's a fictional

1521
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 1: character and he's in this world, and he's like, and

1522
01:08:49,320 --> 01:08:51,680
Speaker 1: I don't want to be blowing things up anymore. And

1523
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, you're going to completely destroy the Jack Slater

1524
01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:57,679
Speaker 1: movies now, Like, thanks, Danny, look at what you've done.

1525
01:08:57,720 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 1: You have made these action movies.

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01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 3: Word, maybe it's a hidden message saying stop complaining about

1527
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:04,720
Speaker 3: these action movies being over the top, or we'll do this.

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01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:07,759
Speaker 2: Maybe we should have made a sequel where he doesn't

1529
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:08,439
Speaker 2: want to do anything.

1530
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:14,800
Speaker 1: No, straight straight to VHS time. That would have been interesting,

1531
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 1: just the whole movie be like, no, I'm not going

1532
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:21,280
Speaker 1: to shoot, we are going to negotiate, you know, stuff

1533
01:09:21,360 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, that that might have been the movie.

1534
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:26,840
Speaker 1: So all right, So there you go. That's our wrap

1535
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:28,320
Speaker 1: up on The Last Action Hero.

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01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:31,560
Speaker 2: Next week. I've never heard of Crimson Tide. Is this

1537
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:33,680
Speaker 2: a movie about Alabama? It is not.

1538
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:36,760
Speaker 1: There is an Alabama reference, but it is not specifically

1539
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 1: about the University of Alabama. So this one, so we

1540
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:41,919
Speaker 1: go from you know, over the top sort of comedic

1541
01:09:42,040 --> 01:09:47,679
Speaker 1: parody to very dramatic, uh you know, Gene Hackman, Denzel

1542
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 1: Washington on a submarine.

1543
01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:52,000
Speaker 2: I love I have seen this, and I love I've seen.

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01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:56,160
Speaker 1: This is a great Crimson Tide nineteen ninety five, amazing film,

1545
01:09:57,080 --> 01:10:00,720
Speaker 1: very very different in tone than Last Hero. You can't

1546
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:05,160
Speaker 1: get more opposite in tone than you know, Crimson Tide

1547
01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:07,800
Speaker 1: and The Last Action Hero. So check it out this week.

1548
01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:10,559
Speaker 1: Look forward to hearing your thoughts on it. I'm curious

1549
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:12,839
Speaker 1: to see how highly this ranks because this is an amazing,

1550
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:14,040
Speaker 1: excellent movie.

1551
01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:17,960
Speaker 2: And I'm i I would be surprised if it doesn't

1552
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:21,559
Speaker 2: land somewhere in the top. Man next week was great,

1553
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 2: so it's on its own.

1554
01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:26,960
Speaker 1: Uh hey, man, Olk, you appreciate you hanging out with

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01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:27,280
Speaker 1: us man.

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01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:30,080
Speaker 3: This is great, man. I enjoyed an invite. Man.

1557
01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:32,240
Speaker 1: Well, you know, we'll talk to your folks in the

1558
01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:34,320
Speaker 1: researcher department see if we can't steal you away a

1559
01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:36,519
Speaker 1: few more times before the summer's out and get you

1560
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:39,439
Speaker 1: back over here. Absolutely. For the rest of you, we

1561
01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:41,599
Speaker 1: appreciate you hanging out and listening to our movie chatter

1562
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:44,640
Speaker 1: as well. Thanks to Susie and Josh for putting this

1563
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:46,559
Speaker 1: on and making it sound good. Thank you, Thank you everybody.

1564
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:48,719
Speaker 1: We got to get Susie watching more fast and furious movies.

1565
01:10:48,760 --> 01:10:50,360
Speaker 1: I think she's how many have you watched so far?

1566
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:52,640
Speaker 1: She's only watched one one. You got a lot of

1567
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:55,680
Speaker 1: work to do, she's got so yeah, you got a

1568
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:58,200
Speaker 1: lot more to go. So you know, we'll keep pushing

1569
01:10:58,240 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 1: her to watch to.

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01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 2: Watch more of those movies as well. In the meantime.

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01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:03,120
Speaker 1: That'll do it for this edition of the NFL Fantasy

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01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:06,120
Speaker 1: Football Podcast. Stay happy, safe and healthy, do good and

1573
01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:08,800
Speaker 1: live well. Enjoy your movies, everybody, and we'll talk to

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Speaker 1: you next week.