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Speaker 1: on sirius XM Triumph Channel one thirty two. Today is

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Speaker 1: a day that is bittersweet all across our nation. It's

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Speaker 1: Missing Children's Day. And while we are encouraged and heartened

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Speaker 1: that people care, that we are rallying the forces across

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Speaker 1: the country to try to find missing children, the fact

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Speaker 1: that we have to have a day of remembrance, a

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Speaker 1: day of reinvigorating the troops, so to speak, casta paul

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Speaker 1: over each one of these children's stories. I Nancy Grace,

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Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Before we address missing people, we have a news alert.

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Speaker 1: A little boy that we have been trying to help

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Speaker 1: find has just been found. The body of five year

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Speaker 1: old Lucas Hernandez has been found in Harvey County. Harvey County, Kansas.

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Speaker 1: Listen were dispatched here on the report of found body

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Speaker 1: but it's it's unrecognizable, Nancy. That was Harvey County Sheriff

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Speaker 1: Chad Gay speaking to reporters as they were recovering the body.

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Speaker 1: It was a short time later the state investigators confirmed

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Speaker 1: that the remains are Lucas Hernandez. Shortly after that, Emily Glass,

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Speaker 1: the seven year old step mom of Lucas, the last

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Speaker 1: the investigation goes on to Ashley Willcott charl crime watch

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Speaker 1: dot com. This is not the outcome we wanted, Ashley,

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Speaker 1: but I cannot say that I'm surprised that evil stepmother

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Speaker 1: can now have closure in terms of knowing where he is,

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Speaker 1: and we can utilize the crime scene and the evidence

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Speaker 1: to find who did this. Someone threw away this poor

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Speaker 1: the brush, as if he were trash. What can we

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Speaker 1: learn at this point? Joseph Scott Morgan, forensics expert, Jacksonville

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Speaker 1: State University Professor of Forensics, Joe Scott. Lucas's little body

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Speaker 1: has been there for a period of time. What can

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Speaker 1: we learn from it regarding forensic clues? Well, hopefully what

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Speaker 1: we're going to learn is specifically what his cause of

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Speaker 1: through his remains and what we can find at the scene.

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Speaker 1: And I gotta tell you, just Scotten Nashley, My arms

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Speaker 1: missing child, which highlights the importance of today National Missing

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Speaker 1: Children's Day, and now let's bring more children home alive.

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Speaker 1: I could not be prouder to have the guests joining

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Speaker 1: us today. Mark Class, crying victim, tireless victims advocate and

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Speaker 1: of the Cold Case Research Institute, Cheryl McCullum, along with

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Speaker 1: It's like an avalanche every day, Mark Class, more missing children?

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Speaker 1: Do you ever feel overwhelmed by it? Overwhelming? Over two

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Speaker 1: it is not lost on me the way you tell

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Speaker 1: Help and why is there a child Help? Well, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: Sarah and Yvonne, you're one of their favorite people because

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Speaker 1: you're one of the few consistent, dedicated champions of children,

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Speaker 1: giving a voice to those silenced by abuse. As Mark

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Speaker 1: people involved in media have to stand up for these kids,

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Speaker 1: they have no voice and they're being lost in the system.

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Speaker 1: They're being abused. We're losing five children each day to abuse,

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Speaker 1: and that's so critical, Cheryl McCullum. With me, you and

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Speaker 1: I have dealt with so many crime victims, and like

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Speaker 1: family members. Absolutely, Nancy. When you hear Mark talks, I mean,

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Speaker 1: forget the first time I laid eyes on Kiren Hormon,

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Speaker 1: as well. And they tell you that if you give

428
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 1: them a little item of your child's they'll tell you

429
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 1: where your child is. And ultimately, what's going to happen

430
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: if you're in California like I am, the psychic is

431
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 1: going to say, I see rolling hills, I hear running water,

432
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 1: I see out buildings of some kind. And what you've

433
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:47,439
Speaker 1: done then is you have described of the topography in

434
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 1: the state of northern or in northern California. Um. So,

435
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 1: the reality is is that psychics never help a case.

436
00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: They always hinder a case. They give absolutely walls hope,

437
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: or is in the case of the famous second Sylvia Brown,

438
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: they will dash your hopes and tell you that your

439
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 1: child is dead, when in fact is in the case

440
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: of Sean Hornbeck, he was very much alive and only

441
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 1: a few miles down the road. These two little girls

442
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: were last seen at their family home, an apartment on

443
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: South Lake Park Avenue in Chicago. The mom as I

444
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: told you, at least for six thirty a m Diamond

445
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 1: and her older sister, Tianda, stayed at the home during

446
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,640
Speaker 1: the morning, and the mom, Tracy, discovered they weren't home

447
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: when she came home around eleven a m. Now, apparently

448
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: Tianda left a note stating they were going to walk

449
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: by to a nearby school to play and a little store.

450
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, Tianda was taking summer classes

451
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: at Dolittle Elementary. Now, after we research, we find out

452
00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: school officials insist she was absent the day of her disappearance.

453
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 1: Neighborhood children claim they saw Diamond and Tianda playing outside

454
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: at lunchtime. Neither child has ever been heard from again.

455
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 1: When I look at their descriptions, it's it's brutal. This

456
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 1: little girl, Diamond, who was just three years old. She

457
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 1: was three ft tall and she only weighed forty pounds.

458
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: She had violet and purple ponytails holders in her hair.

459
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: She's African American with big, beautiful brown eyes. She's got

460
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: a tiny scar on the left side of her hairline,

461
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 1: and she normally wears her hair braided in the back

462
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: with four ponytails. That was her favorite. She's got beautiful,

463
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: deep set eyes. Tianda was ten years old at the time.

464
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: She went missing just four to and only weighed seventy pounds.

465
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: Green ponytail holders in her hair, African American little girl,

466
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: big brown eyes. She has a quarter sized burned scar

467
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: on her left forearm and at the time she went missing,

468
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: she had a scrape on her left calf. She normally

469
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: wears her hair in long ponytails. They disappeared together again.

470
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: The tipline is eight hundred eight four three fifty six

471
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: seventy eight. Listen to what her sisters say. She was

472
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: like we had being the house. She had drunk from

473
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: couch to couch, like said, he running around the house,

474
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: and she had these dark ads that used to scare everybody.

475
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: It was crazy. And Tianna she like dancing and she

476
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: like around how but dancing was her favorite hobby. You know.

477
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: She used to do a lot of fuff like she's

478
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: at them, Jim, Jim come first place. She loved does

479
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: She loved dance and she was the ask one of them,

480
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: even me. You know, we would laid back, go out.

481
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: Now we head to Oakland, California and the disappearance of

482
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: Hassany Jamil Campbell take a listen to his parents. At

483
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: the time he goes missing. I've cledly changed my life

484
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: now frist if something's wrong with him, he don't give

485
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: give myself Graham, it's one of them home. Don't let

486
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: him become a picture on the milk card pots five

487
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,719
Speaker 1: years dater that you never found. What do we know

488
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: about the disappearance off a sny Campbell looking at him,

489
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: he's just precious five years old when he goes missing,

490
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: three ft forty pounds, wearing a gray sweatshirt, gray panther shorts.

491
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: Interesting he had cerebral palsy and was wearing his braces.

492
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: Last scene in Oakland with his foster father, Louise Ross.

493
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: Now he leaves the boy, he's going to me the

494
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: boys aunt there, the foster parents, and that's his biological

495
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: aunt that Louise is engaged too. So she had as

496
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: I recall a shoe store and to get in, it's

497
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: like a strip center. You drive around back of the

498
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: store and part right outside the back door and walk

499
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: in that way. So he pulls up in a BMW

500
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 1: and the parking a lot of shoes. S h u Z.

501
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: That's a shoe store where she worked. And he was

502
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: dropping a sany off with him and his one year

503
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: old sister Aliyah alright to be with the aunt Jennifer.

504
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: So long story short, he goes in the back door

505
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: to tell Jennifer he's bringing the children in. He goes

506
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: back out, Hassani is gone. When he gets back out

507
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: to the BMW, Hasani was totally missing. What I don't

508
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: understand to Daphne Young joining us with child help on

509
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: this very important day, a missing children's day across our country.

510
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: If this child had cerebral policy and was wearing his braces,

511
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 1: how far could he get in that short of a time. Well,

512
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: and not only does he have cerebral policy, but he

513
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,959
Speaker 1: was wearing leg braces with Spiderman imagery on it. So

514
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: not only do we have this child that's disabled, but

515
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: we have this child that's very visible and would be

516
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: seen by anybody even trying to make it down the block.

517
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: It's also heartbreaking that that's such a symbol of childhood

518
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: and innocence and love of superheroes for a little boy

519
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: who had a little trouble getting around. I just can't

520
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: imagine he could have gotten far, and I can't imagine

521
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: that he would have run away. This is clearly either

522
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: an abduction or something else, you know, defacts. Children Family

523
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: Services never had a problem with a couple of foster parents.

524
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: They claimed the couple conscientiously looked after Hassani's medical needs.

525
00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: He was the students at James Leech Elementary and the

526
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: time he went missing, police of course immediately Mark Class

527
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: impound the BMW, They take Aliyah away, put her in

528
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:13,919
Speaker 1: protective custody. They search, pursuit to want the foster parents home,

529
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: the car, everything they can think of, no clue, Mark Class.

530
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 1: You know, I think I live in the San Francisco

531
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: Bay Area. Oakland has a very real crime problem, There's

532
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 1: no question about that. In in response to that, CCTV cameras,

533
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: surveillance cameras have been put up all over that city.

534
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: It's hard to find a location where you're not going

535
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: to be surveilled by a camera except the back of

536
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: that shoe store. That's the one location in that vicinity

537
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: where there are no surveillance cameras whatsoever. And so to

538
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: think that this guy is going to go into the

539
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: store to say he's bringing the children in and instead

540
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 1: of just bringing the children in and then coming out

541
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: and finding Hassani gun is absolutely ludicrous. If it's going

542
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,399
Speaker 1: to be a kidnapping. I think the kidnapper would be

543
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: drawn to the one year old, very healthy little girl

544
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,760
Speaker 1: much more than too little Hassani. And if little Hassani

545
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: had somehow gotten out of the car and tried to

546
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 1: run away, he wouldn't have gotten more than six or

547
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: seven feet in the time frame that this guy Louis escaped.

548
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: So a lot of attention was focused on this man

549
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: immediately as well. It should have been well another thing,

550
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: Mark class, just as you and I would have done.

551
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 1: Immediately when he went missing, police promptly brought out tracker

552
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 1: dogs to the back of Shoes sh Uz, the shoe

553
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 1: store where the aunt, the foster mom worked. All right, now, Hassani,

554
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: this little boy aunt with braces on his legs disappears

555
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 1: advantages in the middle of a very busy business district,

556
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: crowded with people. Nobody saw anything. Okay, Now, that doesn't

557
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 1: surprise me, because when you try to steal a kid,

558
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: drive up, you stick him in the car, You're gone.

559
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: In forty five seconds, it's over. But this Mark Klass

560
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: and Daphne young tracker dogs immediately could not find Hassani's

561
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:18,320
Speaker 1: scent at the site where he was supposedly last seen now, Daphne.

562
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: This did not come into evidence at the Scott and

563
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: Lacy Peterson trial. But did you know tracker dogs followed

564
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 1: lacy scent all the way from her home where she

565
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: was believed to have been killed, but the last place

566
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: she was all the way to the marina at San

567
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: Francisco Bay. Nobody told the dogs to do that. Okay,

568
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: they followed her sent all the way to the San

569
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: Francisco Bay. Some tracker dog evidence did come in, but

570
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: not that evidence. But I know that to be true.

571
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: And immediately after Hassani goes missing, the dogs don't smell

572
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 1: a thing. It seems very suspicious. And there were family

573
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: neighbors but that they hadn't seen little Hassani about two

574
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: weeks before his disappearance, so they have him, I believe,

575
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: last seen at a Fremont Walmart and the neighbors are

576
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 1: saying they haven't seen this little boy. And clearly this

577
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: was out of the ordinary, So I find it hard

578
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 1: to believe that he was even there with tracker dogs

579
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,280
Speaker 1: being unable to find him and weeks going by without

580
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: little Hassani being seen. Because of his special needs, he

581
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: probably needed a lot of extra help to get in

582
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 1: and out of cars. So this is a very odd thing.

583
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: You know, you brought up something very interesting. Daphne Young

584
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:40,879
Speaker 1: with me with child help on today, Missing Children's Day

585
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: across our country, Mark Class with me, founder of class kids.

586
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: Mark what she is saying, Um, think about it. She's right.

587
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 1: That child, Hassani Campbell, this beautiful little boy with braces

588
00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: on his legs, had not been seen by anybody the

589
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: foster parents for two weeks. And you can't blame the

590
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: school because this was August. He hadn't been in school,

591
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: so it's not that the school didn't report him missing

592
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 1: for two weeks. The last time we think he had

593
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:17,280
Speaker 1: been spotted was that August is six, at a Walmart store.

594
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: That was it. How does that he hinder the investigation?

595
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 1: Mark Class, Well, it puts two weeks between the last

596
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 1: time anybody saw Hassani and law enforcements and the ability

597
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: to be able to to locate Hassani and Hasani is

598
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: still completely missing. One of the problems, and another one

599
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: of the problems, Natty, is they brought the search dogs

600
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,479
Speaker 1: out in the search dogs were all unable to find

601
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: a scent. You're then left in a situation where there

602
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 1: is absolutely no place you can search for Hassani work

603
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,240
Speaker 1: could that little boy? Bet he could be any place

604
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: on the face of the earth. This child missing from

605
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,919
Speaker 1: Oakland is classified as endangered. Missing just five years old

606
00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: when he seemingly vanishes into thin air, just three feet

607
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 1: forty pounds, gray sweatshirt, gray pants or shorts, white arch

608
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: support braces with Spider Man logos on a poor little baby.

609
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,760
Speaker 1: He has cerebral paulicy. He could walk, but he cannot

610
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:20,439
Speaker 1: run or jump. Um. He's an African American male, brown hair,

611
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: beautiful brown eyes, and he speaks with a lisp. Hassani

612
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: Campbell missing the tip line if you know anything about

613
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 1: the disappearance of Hassany Campbell five on zero two, three

614
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: eighty five, zero to thirty six forty one. Joining me

615
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 1: right now, Daphne Young, Cheryl McCollum and Mark Class. Let's

616
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 1: go to Nashville, guys. Tabitha last seen by her family

617
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: seven a m. Her father wakes her up. It's April nine.

618
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: They live there in a little home on Lillian Street

619
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 1: and Nashville. She was watching t be he goes to

620
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 1: work now. She was supposed to get on the school

621
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 1: bus that morning at eight a m. At fourteen in

622
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: Biscua Bell Street. Witnesses saw her more than one, which

623
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 1: in my mind takes the father out of the mix.

624
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: Witnesses see her walking to the bus stop. Okay, she

625
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: was reading some papers as she walked. She was not

626
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: in a hurry. She was not looking for anybody. I

627
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,280
Speaker 1: gotta tell you something, Mark, that reminds me so much

628
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 1: of my daughter, Lucy. John David is the mayor of Funville. Okay, Mark, Lucy.

629
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:43,800
Speaker 1: It's always reading something. Her mind is a million miles away.

630
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 1: In some stories she's writing, or she likes to draw,

631
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: she likes to read. I can just see this girl,

632
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: Tabitha Tutors, just precious walking to the bus stop at

633
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 1: eight a m. People saw her more than one. As

634
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: I was saying to me, that takes the dad out

635
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: of the mix. But here's the here's the twist. Tabitha

636
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: never got on the bus and she never got to

637
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: Bailey Middle School, just two miles away. The parents don't

638
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 1: know a thing until that evening when she doesn't come home.

639
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: They find out she was missing from school and they

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Speaker 1: immediately report her missing to police. Okay, Mark, class, can

641
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Speaker 1: you even imagine getting the perp getting that much of

642
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 1: a head start from eight am to six pm. Why

643
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:44,919
Speaker 1: didn't the school call the parents? Well, that's a that's

644
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:46,919
Speaker 1: an issue that needs to be addressed, and it really

645
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: needs to be addressed in every school in America that

646
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: when children don't show up, the parents need to be

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00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: notified immediately. And I'll tell you why, Nancy, because this

648
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Speaker 1: is an interesting factory here. A third of all abduction

649
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Speaker 1: attempts in the United States occur on school bus routes.

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Speaker 1: And they occur on school But wait a minute, wait

651
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: a minute, let me let me let that soak in

652
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Speaker 1: mark class. WHOA, you just taught me something. I'm gonna

653
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Speaker 1: write this sandhold on one third of child abductions. Okay,

654
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,879
Speaker 1: go ahead, I'm writing this, Jackie. Please get this month

655
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 1: our child abductions. What now? So a third of all

656
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: child abduction attempts occur on school routes. And that tells

657
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 1: us something, Nancy. That tells us that if we know

658
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Speaker 1: that fact, we can cunt We can cut abductions in

659
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Speaker 1: this country tremendously simply by addressing that singular issue. And

660
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: we can do that in a variety of ways. We

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00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 1: can do that by having neighbors watched the children on

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00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: the routes by doing some kind of a round robin

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Speaker 1: where there's always a parent watching the kids going to

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Speaker 1: the routes or going to the bus and coming home

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Speaker 1: from the bus. We could have that as an elderly

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Speaker 1: project for an elderly home where you don't have to

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00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,399
Speaker 1: do something. You could go high tech and put surveillance

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00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,359
Speaker 1: cameras along those routes. And if we were to do that,

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Speaker 1: we would be able to prevent situations like Tabitha's or

670
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: so many of the other children that we've talked about

671
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 1: over the years that if you'll look back, you'll see

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Speaker 1: that they disappeared either going to school or coming home

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Speaker 1: from school. There are set patterns. Predators understand that they're

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Speaker 1: able to plan for it, and they're able to do

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Speaker 1: things in stell. You know what, Mark Classy makes so

676
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Speaker 1: much sense. I did not know that statistic if you

677
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Speaker 1: I got that from the National Center from Missing and

678
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Speaker 1: Exploited Children, Daphne Young with me with Child Help Organization.

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Speaker 1: Did you know that fact? I did not know one

680
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: third of all child abduction attempts occur on a bus

681
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 1: route or on the way to school. It's true and

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Speaker 1: one of the big problems is that, in addition to

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Speaker 1: not safeguarding the areas where children are which mark class

684
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,760
Speaker 1: is correct, we should take the onus off the child

685
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: and do our duty as a community and create safe

686
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: ruts so that every step that a child takes is secured.

687
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 1: And also we should put some prevention education in the

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00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: schools as well, so children learned body safety Internet creditors

689
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Speaker 1: what to do when being groomed. You know, we do

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00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: a lot of stop, drop and roll for fire safety.

691
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: It should be the same thing for their personal safety.

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Speaker 1: This Tabatha Daniel Tudor's taste was very personal to me

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Speaker 1: because every case means a lot. But she's a dead

694
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Speaker 1: ringer for my own daughter. She would be the same

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00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: age today. I think about every milestone that my daughter

696
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Speaker 1: is made with her dirty blonde hair and her cat

697
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: shaped eyes and she's just like Tabitha and her name

698
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 1: is Katrina. And I think about the graduations and all

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Speaker 1: the things that these families are missing, the proms, the

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Speaker 1: life milestones that a parent has to go through who's

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00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: lost a child, And we think about just some basic

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00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,439
Speaker 1: cam was on a bus right in a little body safety.

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Speaker 1: It's heartbreaking, you know when you say she's a dead

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00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:10,280
Speaker 1: ringer for your daughter. Can you imagine what these parents

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00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: have gone through all this time that they have been

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Speaker 1: trying desperately to find their daughter. Guys were talking about

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00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 1: Tabitha Tutor. She was last seen on the way to

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00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: the school bus. Now, this little girl had just turned

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Speaker 1: thirt change, just past twelve, no history of ever having

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00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: run away. She was a straight A student with perfect attendance,

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00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: perfect attendance, she had never missed school before, active in

712
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 1: the choir at the Eastland Baptist Church, no evidence at all.

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Speaker 1: She even had a little boyfriend. As a matter of fact,

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00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 1: she was so excited she was supposed to go to

715
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 1: six Flags Amusement Park in Louisville two weeks after she disappeared,

716
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: and she was so excited about her upcoming trip. Or

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00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: talking about Tabitha Tutors out of Nashville, Tennessee missing. Take

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00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 1: a listen to Nashville detectives. If we get it out

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00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 1: there and the right person see something at the right moment,

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00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: that there was some little piece, it could solve this case.

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Speaker 1: It's going to take someone that knows something coming forward.

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Speaker 1: This really upsets me Mark Class because when she first

723
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 1: went missing, cops treated it as a runaway. Why does

724
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: that keep happening. I always hear that this one or

725
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 1: that was treated as a runaway, then they turned up dead.

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00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: They have not run away. Mark. It ebsolves law enforcement

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00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: of a responsibility to look for the children. What they

728
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: say is if the children and they did this in

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00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 1: police case right, they had a two eye witnesses to

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Speaker 1: the to the kidnapping of Pouli from this character with

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00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: the knife, yet they still thought she had orchestrated her

732
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: own disappearance and was in fact the runaway. It absolves

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00:46:56,080 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 1: law enforcement of responsibility. If the child ran away, then

734
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 1: it's the parents problem and not their problem, Or at

735
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,240
Speaker 1: least that was the funck back in the day. Things

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Speaker 1: have changed now because of human trafficking and the vulnerability

737
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 1: of runaway children to human trafficking. But it is so

738
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: easy for them to say that they don't listen to

739
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: the parents. They don't want to hear the evidence. All

740
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 1: they want to do is somehow get away from it

741
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,720
Speaker 1: so that they don't have to look for that needle

742
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: in the haystack. You know, they've looked up sex offenders,

743
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: They've looked up boyfriends and relatives and husbands and in

744
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 1: laws of relatives. Police search the logs of computers at

745
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: a local library where Tabitha had gone to the library.

746
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: Nothing turned up nothing. They researched a guy, Martin tim Boyd,

747
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: arrested for trying to lure an eleven year old girl

748
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 1: into his car a few months after Tabatha disappeared. Nothing

749
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 1: that was the dead end, nothing really connected him to

750
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: this case. He's been taken off the suspect list now out.

751
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 1: Then a trucker reports a possible signing of Tabitha in Linton, Indiana.

752
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 1: It was a girl with a man and another teen girl.

753
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 1: The girl looked anxious and afraid. Later the trucker realized

754
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: she resembled a girl on a missing person's flyer. That

755
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: girl was Tabitha. A hotel clerk in Linton saw a

756
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 1: girl resembling Tabitha same town and reported it. Neither siding

757
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: was confirmed. But Mark, I find that very coincidental that

758
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: a trucker thinks he sees her, and then at a

759
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: local hotel they think that they see her. What about that, Well,

760
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: you know, Daphne said that she looks a lot like

761
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 1: her own daughter, and I think that Tabitha looks a

762
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 1: lot like my own daughter. I mean, they're just little

763
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 1: girls that bear resemblance to each other. The problem with

764
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,720
Speaker 1: that kind of a tip is law enforcement oftentimes can't

765
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:01,919
Speaker 1: track it down. People can say easily, oh, I saw

766
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: Tabitha in a car heading the other direction on the highway. Well,

767
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 1: there's nothing that can be done with something like that.

768
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: If you have a picture of the child, if you

769
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 1: have a location for the child, if you have some

770
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,839
Speaker 1: kind of physical evidence that law enforcement could go and

771
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:19,439
Speaker 1: put together with this child. Um, then you can find

772
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 1: out if you're dealing with a credible tip or not. Otherwise. Uh,

773
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: it's just something that maybe the out of somebody's imagination,

774
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: you know, is just listening to Tabitha's dad when little

775
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: Tabitha had just turned thirteen went missing from her Nashville neighborhood.

776
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 1: Time has passed, but the parents, Boat and Debora have

777
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,479
Speaker 1: not been able to move on. The dad was saying, Mark,

778
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: I went to work. I left at seven in the morning.

779
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: I told her baby, get up, and she said, okay, Dad,

780
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 1: I'm up. And that's the last time they saw her,

781
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: says the mom. Tabitha gets ready, goes to school, walked

782
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: to the school bus, which was one block away, and

783
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:08,280
Speaker 1: she never came home. We don't know what really happened,

784
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,720
Speaker 1: just as she went towards the bus stop and never

785
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 1: made it to the other bus stop. You know, the

786
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 1: mom says she would always say, Tabatha, don't sit out

787
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:23,760
Speaker 1: on that corner by yourself. And just imagining a little

788
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 1: girl sitting alone at a bus stop. What do you

789
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: make of that, Daphne Young. One of the most terrifying

790
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: things is you mentioned tracker dogs, and both tracker dogs

791
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 1: eventually traced her sent to an alley, a place that

792
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:43,760
Speaker 1: Tabitha's buddies and friends said she would never ever go alone.

793
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Speaker 1: Like you say. She was that a student, that reader

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00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 1: that more solitary girl. And what one of my horrors

795
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: is that you know, once that scent is lost, one

796
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:58,280
Speaker 1: of two things happened. This little girl was either killed

797
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: or she was taken to another place. And one of

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00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 1: the most important things we do is never stop looking.

799
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: You've mentioned that Tabitha's case doesn't get a lot of

800
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 1: press these days. We can never stop looking for these

801
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: little girls and boys. They could be tied up someplace.

802
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: We've seen with Elizabeth Smart that kids can come home,

803
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: they can be brainwashed. They can be kidnapped, but they

804
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 1: can come home. And I hold out hope for Tabitha.

805
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 1: I hold out hope that she wasn't killed, but that

806
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: she was kidnapped, and that there could be a reunion

807
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: at some point, at some time. Yeah, you know, Nancy Um,

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00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: Tabitha's circumstances almost exactly like j C do Guard circumstance.

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00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 1: Yet eighteen years later j C do Guard showed up alive.

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Speaker 1: So there's always hope. Guys with me are two not

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Speaker 1: only very dear friends to me, but colleagues and our

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Speaker 1: crusade to help find missing children. Dafney Young with Child

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Speaker 1: Help with Me, Cheryl McCollum with the Cold Case Research

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Speaker 1: Institute and Mark Class. To reach Child Help, go to

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