1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha and welcome to Stefan 2 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: never told you, Protection of iHeart Radio. And it is June, 3 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: which means it is Pride month. So we have a 4 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: couple of classes we want to bring back. Here's one 5 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: that we did for I was then Women around the World, 6 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 1: which is now Feminist around the World, which is queer people. 7 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 2: We admire you. 8 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 1: And I were discussing last night that we were kind 9 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 1: of planning on our calendar and I'm trying to pick 10 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 1: a movie. 11 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 2: I'm trying to pick. 12 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember a movie that is not necessarily 13 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: like it wouldn't come up on list, but was like 14 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: a moment for me. Yeah, so many of you listeners 15 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: have one that please let us know. 16 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I had one, and I was like, it brought 17 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 3: out this big discussion about how amazing the movie was 18 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 3: in itself. 19 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 2: So yes, mm hmmm. 20 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: Well, in the meantime, send those suggestions in because I 21 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 1: haven't decided yet, but please enjoy this classic episode. 22 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 2: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I don't could be Steph. 23 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:27,960 Speaker 2: I Never told you, Protection of iHeartRadio. 24 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:40,839 Speaker 3: And welcome and is June, which means happy Pride Months. 25 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 2: Annie, thank you to you as well. 26 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 3: So we have been doing women around the World for 27 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 3: a while now, still trying to think of a new title, 28 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 3: still trying to get there. So let's say celebrating great 29 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 3: people around the world. That's not a good acronym, I 30 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 3: will say that, but I thought it would be interesting, 31 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 3: since this is Pride Month, taking it on a personal level, 32 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 3: especially about people's journeys. And You've talked a little bit 33 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 3: about your own journey between discovering for yourself, your identity 34 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 3: and coming out to people around you, and I thought 35 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 3: it'd be interesting to hear of the people you admire 36 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 3: or look up to as you are processing your journey. 37 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 3: So I'm putting you on the. 38 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:24,839 Speaker 2: Spot you are. 39 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: And because of that, I do have a couple of 40 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: caveats before I get into this. Okay, so number one, 41 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: this is far from an exhaustive list, and I'm sure, 42 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: like probably an hour from now, I'll be kicking myself 43 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: for people that I've forgotten. I wish I had mentioned 44 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: because there are a lot of people, and also I 45 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 1: didn't have time to vet the folks that I'm going 46 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: to talk about and make sure they haven't done something 47 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: really terrible or problematic. Recently, so please give you a 48 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: pass on that or let me know either way, but 49 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:55,359 Speaker 1: just put that out there. 50 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's good to know because sometimes we 51 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 3: don't we don't know some of the issues that have happened. 52 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 3: It's always kind of a fear of ours trying to 53 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:07,079 Speaker 3: be inclusive and also trying to be aware of problematic 54 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 3: people and why we should call them out. Like there's 55 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 3: so many times that I have researched for the specific 56 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,399 Speaker 3: segment and I'm like, oh no, this one bad thing 57 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 3: which can't be ignored. But it makes you sad because 58 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 3: you don't want to negate the good things that they 59 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 3: have done, right, But it does make you pause and 60 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 3: have to rethink what you're talking about and whether it's 61 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 3: worth bringing it out or celebrating. Which is a good 62 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 3: and bad. There's so many things when it comes to 63 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 3: trying to celebrate people. 64 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 65 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I'm taking this from a very personal level, 66 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: so it's coming from how they impacted me and inspired 67 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: me specifically. 68 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 2: So that's also something about this. 69 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: I will say, so many women we talk about, are 70 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: people we talk about on this segment have been inspirations 71 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: when I hear what they're doing. Books, we've chosen, and 72 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: one that came to mind and I was thinking about 73 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: this was Charlene A. Corolla unapologetic. That was great. 74 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 2: Roxanne Gay is a big one for me. 75 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 1: Bad feminists, Like the first episode I did on this 76 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: show was about that and that whole idea, and that 77 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 1: really informed how I thought about me as a feminist 78 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: and how I could be a feminist and be a 79 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: better feminist but still have these things where I like 80 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: things that aren't the best feminist entertainment was of the 81 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:29,359 Speaker 1: most feminist entertainment Tanya Israel, who was on our show 82 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: once her bikups she does, which are bisexual haikus. 83 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 2: So good. 84 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, I have many coworkers and friends that I 85 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: would include as influences and inspirations. Many of you listeners 86 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: who have written in have been so open and honest. 87 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: And then a lot of people we've talked about on 88 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 1: this show that I really I'm glad that I encountered 89 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 1: and encountered in college for a lot of them, but 90 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 1: I hadn't heard of them or didn't know a lot 91 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: about them. Polly Murray was a big one because they 92 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: just represent I did so many intersectional identities, also religious Presbyterian, 93 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: which is how I was raised. And I love learning 94 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:13,559 Speaker 1: about poly Murray. Billy Jean King. Yes, so I love 95 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: that the impact Billy Jean King has had and continues 96 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: to have. I keep seeing headlines about what she's doing now. Right, 97 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:25,840 Speaker 1: So I love that Sally Ride the first, I believe, 98 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: first American woman into space. 99 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 2: Definitely up there all. I loved hearing her story and. 100 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:33,920 Speaker 1: All the like both questions she had to answer about, 101 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: like bras and space and live stick in space and 102 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: all this stuff and just to she was so the 103 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: way she handled herself and those questions I loved and 104 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 1: then like more. Currently there's Meghan Rampino and also Abby Wombuck, 105 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: and I kind of this is sort of like I 106 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: love We've talked about. I enjoy soccer, but I have 107 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: some friends who love it and to see the impact 108 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 1: that those two people have had on them has been 109 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: really powerful for me. 110 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 2: And how open they are. 111 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 1: Laverne Cox just because I hadn't honestly, I hadn't seen 112 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 1: a transgender person like that in such popular media right 113 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: before Laverne Cox and also continues to do amazing things. 114 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 2: Linda Carter, who played wonder Woman. 115 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 1: You might have seen recently made some headlines because she 116 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: tweeted this very beautiful artwork from Paulina Gonachow. I hope 117 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: I'm pronouncing that correctly. That was like happy Pride everybody. 118 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: It was this beautiful like wonder Woman with rainbows and 119 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: stars behind her, and said like, if you don't think 120 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: Wonder Woman was queer, you haven't been paying attention. 121 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 2: She's by and trans and I just loved it. 122 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 1: It was so great, And of course, like through fiction 123 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: fictional women around the world, I do have a lot 124 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: although I kind of, as I mentioned in that episode, 125 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 1: we did bridget on Dana Scully, who is one for me, 126 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: there's a lot of fan work that I'm doing for 127 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 1: all of these because they never were. 128 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:04,919 Speaker 2: Like fully confirmed. 129 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 1: It was queer, right, m So Danas Cully, yeah, like 130 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: she wasn't ever confirmed. But for me, for some reason, 131 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: I was like, it's a queer woman. I will say. 132 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: Tara and Willow from Buffy the Vampire Slayer was just 133 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: problematic for a lot of reasons, not just because Joss 134 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: Whedon stuff, but also just the way it. 135 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 2: Kind of handled it. 136 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: But it was the first time I saw two women 137 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: kiss on network TV, and that was a big impact 138 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:34,960 Speaker 1: on me Zeno Warrior Princess, whom I had a friend 139 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: who loved to get a lot of these. 140 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 2: I'm like, I got to see it's. 141 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: A friend and the impact they had on a friend, 142 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: and through that it had an impact on me as well. 143 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: Doctor Afra, who we talked about in our fictional Woman 144 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: Around the World, who is sort of the Star Wars 145 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: version of Indiana Jones. This was recent, but it had 146 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: an impact on me because I wasn't expecting in a comic, 147 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: a Star Wars comic, to see two women together like 148 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: physically and not know like I mean, they've clearly had 149 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: had relations but it wasn't like gratuitous or like who 150 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: here are hot boobs or whatever it was. You know, 151 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: they were under the covers together and they had a relationship. 152 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: I have just shocked. 153 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 2: Yeh shocked. Ellie from the Last of Us. 154 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: Of course, I found out thanks to a listener who 155 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: let me know this. Yelena from Black Widow is the 156 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: first confirmed ACE character in Marvel Really. Yeah, okay, so 157 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: that's cool. I do love Yolena. And then, if you 158 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 1: will forgive me, I'm going to include two men. Yeah, 159 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 1: thank you, sir. So one is Todd Chavez from BoJack Horseman. 160 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: This is the first time I'd ever seen an asexual 161 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 1: character that I know of on TV, and I was like, 162 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, this this is me, this is what 163 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 1: I feel. And then also I just had to include 164 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: Luke Skywalker. 165 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:58,079 Speaker 2: Because I knew it was going. 166 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: I found a whole section of the Internet that is 167 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 1: very tongue in cheek is called Luke Skywalker gay fashion 168 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: icon and it gave me the most joy of like 169 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 1: had in a long time, and it was hilarious. But 170 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: also I found this thing that I didn't know where 171 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: a woman was speaking about how she Luke Skywalker is gay. 172 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,319 Speaker 2: I think she just said Lucyworker's gay. Not I believe it, 173 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 2: but he's gay. 174 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: And she got booed and heckled and then like Mark 175 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:26,079 Speaker 1: Hamill's stub in the back and said, no, she's right. 176 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 2: I don't know. I just gave me a lot of. 177 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: Joy, and I think it does make me sad that 178 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: it's kind of this, like I have to search and 179 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: write like Squint and convince myself to see this representation. 180 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: But when I can, when I find a beautiful section 181 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: of the Internet that Luke Skywalker's a gay fashion not 182 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 1: gun and I laugh and laugh and it brings me joy. 183 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 2: I'll take it for now. I'm right. 184 00:09:49,400 --> 00:10:04,959 Speaker 3: Bring your joy is not a bad thing. As we're 185 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 3: talking about more icons and people coming out, there's also 186 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 3: that conversation of your heroes who you have put on 187 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 3: a pedestal when they fall, what do you do? What 188 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 3: is the reaction? Because there's a lot of problematic things 189 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 3: out in the world. We know with jk Rowling and 190 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:24,199 Speaker 3: her what seemingly came out with like we were so 191 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 3: excited that maybe, yes she is an ally and she's 192 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 3: exhibiting all this in the book, and yes, look she's 193 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 3: uh confirming that Dumbledore was gay, and you know all 194 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 3: of these things. But then you find out her stances 195 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:43,079 Speaker 3: are very TERFy and that she is exclusionary of trans 196 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 3: because she fears trans women, which is a whole different 197 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 3: conversation in itself, And then what do you do about that? 198 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 3: What do you do when you have someone on such 199 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 3: high esteem, and how do you pick yourself back up 200 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:57,719 Speaker 3: of that? And then how do you enjoy it? One 201 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 3: of the things about that is Glee, the show, which 202 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 3: is problematic in itself. Please don't get me wrong, but 203 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:08,439 Speaker 3: there was a lot of good representation in LGBTQ relationships 204 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,959 Speaker 3: that made it normalized instead of being overly tongue in 205 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 3: cheek and or so sexualized to a certain degree, Like 206 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 3: there was moments of like, oh, why did you have 207 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 3: to do that? But there's so many problems within that show, 208 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 3: including the actual people in the show, that it's like, Oh, now, 209 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 3: it's kind of disturbing to watch, whether it's the death 210 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 3: of your favorite actor, or the death or the arrest 211 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 3: of possibly a pedophile and all of these things that 212 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 3: happened within that show. You're like, as a person who 213 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 3: I really love musicals, I love songs, and to see 214 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 3: it being acceelebrated for the first time with like this 215 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 3: and people loving it made me feel less nerdy to 216 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,719 Speaker 3: say that, you're like, oh, yay, and then it kind 217 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 3: of goes away because of a lot of problems that 218 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 3: happened within it. Harry Potter's the same things, like I 219 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 3: love the movies, but I wasn't the deep fan that 220 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 3: so many people have been where they just embraced it 221 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:08,319 Speaker 3: and took it on to a part of their personality 222 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 3: and loved it and used it as a comfort in 223 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 3: their trauma. To come back to oh what do I 224 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 3: do now? Like there's this conversation of Okay, we have 225 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 3: to squint and really search, but what do we do 226 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 3: when our heroes fall? And I know you were a 227 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 3: big fan of Harry Potter, how did you fill with 228 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 3: all of that kind of like negativity that seems to 229 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 3: be placed on it now And what are your thoughts 230 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:33,439 Speaker 3: on enjoying it today? 231 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, again, I'm going to just caveat this with this 232 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: is very personal take that I have. 233 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I did love Harry Potter. 234 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: I think it might shock you to know this, but 235 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: it was bigger than like what's happening with Star Wars 236 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: right now. Like I loved it right and it was 237 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,679 Speaker 1: something that got me through the most traumatic time of 238 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: my life, and all my friends loved it. 239 00:12:57,960 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 2: And I happened to be growing up at the time 240 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 2: when it. 241 00:12:59,920 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: Was like perfect, Like we graduated high school when the 242 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:04,079 Speaker 1: Seventh book came out, we graduated college when something the 243 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: movie came out, So it was like a very timing 244 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:11,199 Speaker 1: was perfect, and it just meant so much to me 245 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,199 Speaker 1: and it was a huge part of my identity. 246 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 2: And I think because. 247 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 1: I wasn't on social media, I was able to avoid 248 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: the knowledge of that she was Jakberling was a turf 249 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: for a long time, and especially because she had kind 250 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:31,079 Speaker 1: of that reputation of being like a good ally and 251 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: like articles would come up about how like Trump is Voltimore, 252 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: you know, like and all that stuff. So she had 253 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: like that going for her. But then it just became 254 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:45,319 Speaker 1: like impossible to ignore, and unfortunately for me, that has 255 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:49,839 Speaker 1: made it extremely difficult for me to engage in it. 256 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: And I also hate it too because I mean, obviously 257 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:57,959 Speaker 1: it's awful, but growing up when I liked it, there 258 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: was this idea that it was silly to like that's 259 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 1: what I experienced, Like it was childish and frivolous and silly, 260 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:09,199 Speaker 1: and so I always felt like I had to defend 261 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 1: why it was good and why I liked it and 262 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: why it was valuable and worthwhile. 263 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 2: And so now it's like I. 264 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: Feel shame about it because people know I loved it, 265 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 1: Like there's no way I can. 266 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 2: If you've known me for any amount of time, you 267 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 2: know that I loved it. 268 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: And I still have, like you know, posters up and 269 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 1: I haven't had the heart to take him down. But 270 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: so there's that aspect of it as well, And then 271 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: I hate this too. I have friends who are still 272 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: really into it and I can't if they bring it up, 273 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: it's like I can totally shut down, Like, oh, but 274 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: I do want to say some of you listeners, some 275 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: of you trans listeners, have written and said like it 276 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: meant so much to me and this is how I'm 277 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: like reclaiming it or reshaping it or all that stuff. 278 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: So I don't want to get this is very personal 279 00:14:57,920 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: to me, right, and I don't want to take that 280 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: away from anybody. And I know we had that one 281 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 1: listener right in once she was really standing her friend 282 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: who wrote the fan fiction show. 283 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 3: Yes, and I still think about that and they read 284 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 3: a better job. 285 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: Yes, I love that too, So I don't want Like, 286 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: for me, it's hard. But if you can reclaim it 287 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: in a way that doesn't feel like totally gross and 288 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: you could write fan fiction or whatever it is. 289 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 3: Then yeah, And that's the thing is like, if it 290 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 3: helped you process that, then that is a personal thing 291 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 3: for you and it shouldn't be taken away. But yeah, 292 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 3: the bigger question is like what happens when our heroes fall? 293 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 3: And you know, Ellen DeGeneres is kind of one of 294 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 3: those things as well, because she was iconic essentially coming 295 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 3: out on national TV and was one of the first, 296 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 3: and she was successful, and for so long she had 297 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 3: been hiding that part of her identity, never really speaking 298 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 3: too much about it. I don't know if you remember 299 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 3: the Ellen sitcom show that existed way before, Okay, way 300 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 3: before I remember a bit, but playing the heteronormative role 301 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 3: she did. And then finally, I believe it was towards 302 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 3: the end of the seasons, she just finally just came out. 303 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 3: It just happened, and it was earth shattering for so many, 304 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 3: for the conservatives and for the non conservatives, because it 305 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 3: was a statement. It was a bold move during that 306 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 3: time when on national TV that wasn't being represented like that, 307 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 3: and especially a family sitcom. And I remember people really 308 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 3: loving what she was doing coming out, being on Time magazine, 309 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 3: being on all the other I'm coming out literally was 310 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 3: the headline of some of her magazines, and seeing her 311 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 3: become that icon and that you really wanted to go 312 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 3: with because it seemed like she leveled up to this 313 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 3: like kindness, perspective and joy and giving and maybe it 314 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 3: was during a different time and during easier time, I 315 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 3: don't know, but then she kind of fell from grace 316 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 3: because of a lot of the problematic things that came 317 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 3: up from her show, her own response to some of 318 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 3: the political conversations that were happening, like eh, we get it, 319 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 3: but maybe no. Yeah, at the end of her season, 320 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 3: I think it's finally done. Everybody was criticizing the work 321 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 3: ethic on her set, some of the things in questions, 322 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 3: and how she went after people and her guests, and again, 323 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,639 Speaker 3: I think this doesn't have as big of a cultural 324 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:18,959 Speaker 3: impact today. Maybe I could be wrong, let me know, 325 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 3: But for what she did in the beginning of her 326 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:25,400 Speaker 3: career was huge and a huge risk at that point 327 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:25,919 Speaker 3: in time. 328 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong. 329 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 3: She is still a white woman, fairly rich, fairly successful, 330 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 3: so she did have a padded step up, but it 331 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 3: still was a risk. And we know this, and to 332 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 3: see that type of level of not necessarily like failure. 333 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 3: It's not a failuret She made money, she made h 334 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 3: killing off her show, all of that, and she has 335 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:53,199 Speaker 3: a lot of connections. We know this, and she's not 336 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 3: just gonna go away. We know she's going to come back. 337 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 3: It's it's inevitable, but it is. It was kind of 338 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 3: hard to kind of see that to this today to 339 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 3: her transition today, also with the fact that just like that, 340 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 3: she's human. And that's the problem is like we maybe 341 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 3: we're putting too much on those when we see that 342 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:14,399 Speaker 3: in that are in the public eye. What is the 343 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:17,640 Speaker 3: responsibility that they hold in being human versus what it's 344 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 3: the responsibility that they hold in being a public figure. 345 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 3: So there's a whole different there's a whole level of conversation. 346 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 3: Of course, being the turf is a whole different, different 347 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 3: different conversation and itself, especially when you're writing op eds 348 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:32,400 Speaker 3: about why you're a turf. But there's so many thoughts 349 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 3: to that. Obviously, I want to come back to it 350 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 3: because it's a constant Whe'm like, please, don't put me 351 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 3: on pedestal. Don't put people in a higher reach because 352 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 3: they're inevitably going to disappoint you. And here's what you 353 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 3: need to do to pick yourself up after the point, 354 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 3: like not to be the negative Nancy, but to be 355 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 3: the negative Dancy. 356 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, And also. 357 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 1: I don't want to because I've heard a lot of 358 00:18:55,720 --> 00:19:01,199 Speaker 1: people gay women specifically say how much Ellen interestments and 359 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:05,880 Speaker 1: I think that through that inspired them to either come 360 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,239 Speaker 1: out or pursue things they thought they couldn't pursue, so 361 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:09,640 Speaker 1: I don't want to take that away either. 362 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 2: Hopefully you know, yes, we should definitely recognize problem back 363 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 2: behavior and not saying that. 364 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 1: At all, but hopefully you who took inspiration from that 365 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: will move on and be better do better. 366 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 3: And with that, there's a lot of conversation about identity 367 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 3: and being able to safely be who you are and 368 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 3: just a stigma that has played so many from being 369 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,880 Speaker 3: able to be themselves. And we've been able to follow 370 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 3: your journey in this. I feel like we've really gotten 371 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 3: to see you grow and really understand who you are. 372 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 3: Just from our first episode about being Ace and you 373 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 3: having those conversations to even reading the books and understanding 374 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 3: a little more about who you are are. You're like, 375 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 3: oh yeah, and again you have done this very transparently 376 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 3: for all of us. And I've asked before, but I 377 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 3: think it's always worth coming back to what advice would 378 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 3: you give to others who are trying to understand their 379 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 3: own journeys? 380 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:23,959 Speaker 1: Who, Yeah, I will say that everyone is different, and 381 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: I always there's something lovely about that and also is 382 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: kind of scary about that, because I'm sure all of 383 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 1: us feel this way. But I feel like my coming 384 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: out story is very I don't want to say strange, 385 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:38,679 Speaker 1: but kind of different because I did kind of do 386 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: it through a podcast, right. I came out on this 387 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:44,919 Speaker 1: podcast before I came out to anybody I knew. Like really, 388 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: I would say, definitely find yourself a support group, and 389 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 1: you can do that in multiple ways, and I think 390 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 1: multiple ways is the best, Like if you can find 391 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: a close group of friends or you know who have 392 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 1: your back, if you can find there's plenty of really 393 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 1: good online groups that you can find a lot of 394 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: cities have meetups and like not to tutor and horn, 395 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: but you could include us and not like a podcast 396 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,120 Speaker 1: or something because for me, like starting on the show, 397 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: I've said it before, but it was like, oh gosh, 398 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 1: I'm not alone because I came from this small town 399 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: and I just wasn't hearing this kind of stuff. 400 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 2: And I would. 401 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 1: Suggest, ideally you do all of that before coming out. 402 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 1: Just had like a reminder, you know, there's a bigger 403 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: role out there, have a self care plan in place. 404 00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 2: And I'm saying all of this. 405 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:41,479 Speaker 1: As somebody who kind of didn't do it, so it's 406 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: sort of like giving advice that I didn't really follow. 407 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: But I just think like, ideally, luckily I had all 408 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: that stuff and it worked out, but I think ideally 409 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 1: you would kind of have that and be able to 410 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: prepare yourself and so that you can anticipate that if 411 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: there are these negative reactions from people or because it 412 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: is hard and it is scary, you. 413 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 2: Have this net, this safety net just like to go ahead. 414 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 1: So it's almost like thinking about it, planning it, making 415 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: sure you're taking care of yourself the whole way, because 416 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: it's it's kind of shocking. I'm very insulated in a 417 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: lot of ways because I'm in a kind of liberals 418 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: part of a kind of liberal city. But occasionally, like 419 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: very recently, I got kind of a hateful thing said 420 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: to me, and it I was just so taken aback 421 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,199 Speaker 1: by it because to me, I'm just be and I'm 422 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: not bothering you. 423 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 2: So it's good to have. 424 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 1: Like even though I did, I didn't really talk to 425 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 1: anybody about it. I had people to go to and 426 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: just sort of like, screw that guy, I'm just gonna talk. 427 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 3: Who do I need to pull up on? 428 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 2: Because what yeah, see, this is all you need. You 429 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:06,360 Speaker 2: need a Samanthem colder. Let's go I'll find you. Oh, oh, 430 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:10,680 Speaker 2: I'll find you. Definitely not listening, but noted. I'll find 431 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 2: you listen. 432 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 3: You know, honestly, one of the reasons I wanted to 433 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 3: put you on the spot as I am thinking about 434 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,679 Speaker 3: Pride Month and we want to celebrate. We do it 435 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 3: throughout the year, we do it. 436 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 2: All the time. 437 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 3: I know, like it's just constant that we want to 438 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 3: talk about all the amazing people, whether the non binary, trans, 439 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 3: queer whatever. This is our constant and we want to 440 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 3: keep it intersectional. But because it is a time that 441 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 3: we are going to celebrate Pride Month, I was trying 442 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 3: to think who do I admire? Who do I see 443 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 3: And not that I don't admire more people. I just 444 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 3: have this oddness to the fact that I don't look 445 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 3: up to celebrities. 446 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 2: That's not a thing for me. 447 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 3: I don't know why I've never had idols or mentors 448 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 3: in that way. But people that I look up to 449 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 3: are people that I've seen their growth and experience. And 450 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 3: I was like, Annie is truly one of those people 451 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,679 Speaker 3: that I queer people I admire because I've seen your 452 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 3: journey and the joy and the pain that you've gone through, 453 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 3: but also the way that you have really navigated a 454 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,160 Speaker 3: path for others, including our listeners, who have reached out 455 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 3: constantly saying thank you so much for your openness about 456 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 3: you coming out from about your trauma and understanding your 457 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 3: trauma and how that does play into your identity as well, 458 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 3: and just understanding even more of your a queer identity 459 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 3: beyond that and who you are. And so I was like, yeah, 460 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 3: I'm gonna put any on the spot because you're the 461 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,679 Speaker 3: woman that I do admire, You're the queer person and like, 462 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 3: not just because you're queer obviously, but just seeing this 463 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:47,360 Speaker 3: journey has been fulfilling for me to watch you love 464 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 3: yourself and that has been a glorious thing. So I 465 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 3: wanted to take this time. I couldn't put it on 466 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 3: the outline say any, which I was technically I'm not 467 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 3: gonna put this on here and make it real really odd, 468 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 3: but I love you and I wanted you to know 469 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:07,439 Speaker 3: that as someone who wants to be an ally but 470 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 3: honestly just someone who's watching someone they love find themselves 471 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 3: has been amazing and I'm glad to have been part 472 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 3: of this journey with you very small just listening. Honestly, 473 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 3: this journey I want to say a part I mean 474 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,919 Speaker 3: listening with you and say that you are amazing and 475 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 3: I'll hope you know that. I celebrate you all the time, 476 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 3: every time, anytime. But yes, to me, you are someone 477 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 3: who should be looked up to as well. 478 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 2: Oh thank you. 479 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 1: I love you too, and you have been invaluable on 480 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: this journey and listening is no small thing at all. 481 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 2: So thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you. 482 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 3: All right, ended on that happy note, that's it. 483 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:54,880 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, And also I'm loving seeing all of these 484 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 1: pictures of people really joyously celebrating pride, so. 485 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 2: Keep those coming. 486 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 1: And we do have some more contents around this, because 487 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,360 Speaker 1: I know there's a lot of negativity going on right 488 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: now and that can get difficult to be bogged down in. 489 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,200 Speaker 2: But yes, find that story where you can. 490 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,919 Speaker 1: And also you can always reach out to us are 491 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: to me specifically, some of you have and some of you. 492 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:19,360 Speaker 2: Have helped me and I love that. 493 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: So I'm I am here and you can do that 494 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: at our email which is Steffanie moms Stuff, atiheartmeia dot com. 495 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: You can find us on Twitter at moms Stuff podcast 496 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 1: or Instagram at Stuff I've Never Told You. 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