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Speaker 1: Dan Patrick Show. Here on Fox Sports Radio. Jason Smith
Speaker 1: and Doug Gottlieb in for Dan Today. Denny Hamlin is
Speaker 1: stopping by, coming up in about twenty minutes. NASCAR driver who,
Speaker 1: let's face it, Yesterday, President Trump had some big things
Speaker 1: to say about NASCAR and the whole Bubba Wallace situation
Speaker 1: and the Confederate flag as well, before he went on
Speaker 1: to talk about the Washington Redskins nicknames, the Cleveland Indians nicknames.
Speaker 1: So Denny Hamlin's gonna stop by coming up in twenty minutes,
Speaker 1: so I must listen there as we get into that
Speaker 1: with him. But a breaking story in the NFL this
Speaker 1: morning that revolves around Eagles wide receiver to Shawn Jackson.
Speaker 1: This story is a couple hours old now and it's
Speaker 1: starting to really gain a lot of traction momentum as
Speaker 1: DeShawn Jackson's under fire and has had to apologize saying
Speaker 1: that he doesn't hate the Jewish community after he postings
Speaker 1: after he posts some anti Semitic messages. Now, he shared
Speaker 1: a couple of different quotes on social media that he
Speaker 1: attributed to both Adolf Hitler and Nation of Islam leader
Speaker 1: Lewis Farrakon. On the Instagram story feed for Hitler, he
Speaker 1: put up a quote that he attributed to Hitler which
Speaker 1: said quote, white Jews will blackmail America. They will extort America.
Speaker 1: Their plan for world domination won't work if the Negroes
Speaker 1: know who they were. He also went on to quote
Speaker 1: from Lewis Farrakon as well, whom the Anti Defamation League
Speaker 1: in Southern Poverty Law Center have identified as anti Semitic.
Speaker 1: After he got criticism about this, to Shawn Jackson said, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: my posts were taken the wrong way. Quote anyone who
Speaker 1: feels I have hate towards the Jewish community took my
Speaker 1: post the wrong way. I have no hatred in my
Speaker 1: heart toward no One equality equality, and then he had
Speaker 1: some raised fist emojis in multiple colors. The Eagles have
Speaker 1: not yet commented on to Shaun Jackson and these media posts, Doug,
Speaker 1: this is something that's new and we're seeing this, and
Speaker 1: it's it's shocking to see this. Shocking, well, it's shocking
Speaker 1: to see somebody decide I'm going to put up a
Speaker 1: post where I'm going to reference reference World War two
Speaker 1: or nine to eleven to make a point. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's there's certain things in my life. I go, okay,
Speaker 1: I can tell you. I can tell you one thing
Speaker 1: that if you want to make a point about something
Speaker 1: using World War two, Adolph Hitler using nine to eleven,
Speaker 1: those are two sure ways to either get fired or suspended. Uh,
Speaker 1: and that one hundred percent. I have seen that across
Speaker 1: the board. I don't understand why people continuing to go
Speaker 1: to go to things like that. So I'm gonna make
Speaker 1: my point with that. I don't get it. I don't
Speaker 1: get why people would. I don't get why he would
Speaker 1: put up a post that has attributed to Adolph Hitler.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't understand that. I mean, really that
Speaker 1: just that's just that that's what you want to do.
Speaker 1: I don't understand. No, I'm with you there. The idea,
Speaker 1: it's not a new idea that that that Hitler aged Jews,
Speaker 1: or that Lewis farrakon AIGs Jews, or that black people
Speaker 1: can be racist as well. These are not new ideas.
Speaker 1: They're not new ideas. Um I would I would only
Speaker 1: tell you that I have the like it's it's Uh
Speaker 1: was it Riley Um, Riley Cooper, Riley Cooper right, Like
Speaker 1: I'd like to believe, I know, people related to Riley Cooper.
Speaker 1: I'd like to believe that he is not he is
Speaker 1: not racist, that he was. But man, we can only
Speaker 1: take him in his word, and his word was he
Speaker 1: dropped the N bomb with the er, which I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know anyone who drops that and isn't racist. Um.
Speaker 1: The same goes for Deshan Jackson. I don't know what
Speaker 1: to do with it, like he's an idiot, but I
Speaker 1: you know, Deshaun Jackson's the same guy who you know
Speaker 1: when he got ran out of Philadelphia the first time,
Speaker 1: when he got ran out of Philadelphia. Um, people want
Speaker 1: to know why. And you know, Chip Kelly had at
Speaker 1: leaked that he thought he was Maybe he wasn't a
Speaker 1: gang banger, but he's hanging out with gang bangers. Was
Speaker 1: it was his thing? Like I just think that Deshan
Speaker 1: Jackson's not that smart. I just think I think he
Speaker 1: probably he thought he was, you know, showing people that.
Speaker 1: I don't know what he was doing. But none of
Speaker 1: this is groundbreaking to me. Like if you Jewish, you've
Speaker 1: felt this for a long time. You know there are
Speaker 1: people that don't like you, and you do know that
Speaker 1: there's the reality that there are there are black people
Speaker 1: who are anti Semitic. There are other white people they
Speaker 1: are anti Semitic, um, And you know you kind of
Speaker 1: deal with it. The apology is terrible. I like, you know,
Speaker 1: I love all people. Like, No, you don't not based
Speaker 1: upon that. Now he based on the quote, but based
Speaker 1: on who you picked out for the quotes, Yeah, like
Speaker 1: you can't. You can't pick Hitler and then go right.
Speaker 1: But I also I just I also would I give
Speaker 1: him a little bit of a pass because Deshan Jackson
Speaker 1: doesn't strike me as somebody who is super worldly and
Speaker 1: and maybe understood it. Um. I don't know if I've
Speaker 1: always heard to Sean Jackson's sneaky, sneaky, bad guy, super talent.
Speaker 1: He's in the league because he's got great speed, and
Speaker 1: that doesn't surprise me. Nothing that's in surprise me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's you know, part of it is I always
Speaker 1: go back to the Herm Edwards quote before he became
Speaker 1: head coach Arizona State and when he was giving a
Speaker 1: big yeah, the big symposium he gave to NFL players.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna veent a new phone. I want you all
Speaker 1: to buy it, and it's gonna have a big button
Speaker 1: on it that says, don't press end. There's nothing more
Speaker 1: true than that that. You know, many times you can
Speaker 1: have bad ideas about things, and you know, okay, maybe
Speaker 1: I don't say something about it, all right, all right,
Speaker 1: but the minute you want to, you want to be
Speaker 1: out there in the world. And this is where you know,
Speaker 1: athletes I think failed to understand what social media was
Speaker 1: going to become. You know, when social media first started,
Speaker 1: so many athletes stood up and said, this is where
Speaker 1: we get our messages unfiltered to the fans. Right. We
Speaker 1: don't have the media twisting it on us. We don't
Speaker 1: have anybody, no, no, this is we get our message
Speaker 1: right out to you blank, you evil media. This is
Speaker 1: where we are. We're gonna take your jay. You're not
Speaker 1: gonna have jobs anymore, so we're gonna tweet stuff out.
Speaker 1: And now where a social media come. Whenever we talk
Speaker 1: about it, it's because an athlete has said something that
Speaker 1: is either controversial or something like this, and it puts
Speaker 1: them in a light that they really don't want to
Speaker 1: be in. And and there's certain things to to to
Speaker 1: be said that you didn't see how this was going
Speaker 1: to evolve over time, and when you are when when
Speaker 1: you're in a situation where I could say this for
Speaker 1: whatever reason, uh, you wind up like de Shaun Jackson,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean the I mean the funniest part
Speaker 1: is like Hawie Roseman's his boss. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you
Speaker 1: know flo that one Hawie Roseman, right? Yeah? And how
Speaker 1: well looked? Ug? I mean, look, I think a lot
Speaker 1: of people know, but not but maybe not everybody knows,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean you're Jewish. When you see something
Speaker 1: like that, you're you're Were you mad? Was your reaction?
Speaker 1: You were really pissed? Were you like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: you said you'll look to Sean Jackson's not very smart?
Speaker 1: Were you want to just dismiss it and move on?
Speaker 1: Like We're like, where were you when you see something
Speaker 1: like this? I just I think in many ways, Twitter
Speaker 1: is like booze right, but like like booze um, when
Speaker 1: when you drink, what is how do you are you sleepy?
Speaker 1: Are you silly? Are do you do you get in fights?
Speaker 1: Like what happens when you drink? Oh? I get happy? Okay,
Speaker 1: So you're happy. You're a happy guy. I talk even
Speaker 1: more than I do when I'm not drinking, right, which
Speaker 1: is so happy, happy, drunk, happy guy. And that's generally
Speaker 1: the belief twit twitters like that where Twitter kind of
Speaker 1: exposes ultimately who you are. Me I'm I'm sarcastic, I'm
Speaker 1: also I I when it comes there, like real thought,
Speaker 1: I try to be kind of common sense, and I
Speaker 1: do think that there's there's other ways of looking at it.
Speaker 1: Of of of I try to have open I'm open
Speaker 1: to all perspectives or whatever. But this is Twitter, Twitter,
Speaker 1: Twitter and normal right like it just it's amplified like
Speaker 1: Sean Jackson is exposed to me, is which I would say,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, look, black people can feel how
Speaker 1: they feel about how America and the world has treated them,
Speaker 1: and um, I would say that in many ways, Jewish
Speaker 1: people have felt like we've you know, throughout time, the
Speaker 1: problems of the world have been pushed on the on
Speaker 1: the Jews, and you know, I we we get blamed
Speaker 1: for anybody's anybody's problems that somehow, you know, when you
Speaker 1: when you're three percent of the population, yet you make
Speaker 1: a substantial amount of the wealth percentage wise, in the
Speaker 1: country that you get blamed for financial success, and I
Speaker 1: would say that, you know, the the pushback has always
Speaker 1: been from anybody I've talked to, is like, look, the
Speaker 1: Jewish culture is one hundred percent literc culture. It's one
Speaker 1: where parents pushed their kids towards education. And I frankly
Speaker 1: think that all races should like, if you want to
Speaker 1: lift up your your race or your religion, the best
Speaker 1: way to do so is much like you know, the
Speaker 1: the highest in terms of race, and Jewish people aren't
Speaker 1: considered a race in the country, but to race, Asian
Speaker 1: people make the most per capita, right, Why because two
Speaker 1: parents in the home, a lot of times grandparents in
Speaker 1: the home, and they push their kids towards not just
Speaker 1: majors that make more money, but also towards education. And
Speaker 1: you know that that would be my explanation for why
Speaker 1: Jewish people do so well financially. It's not through any
Speaker 1: sort of Are there bad Jewish people? Of course? Are
Speaker 1: there racist Jewish people? Of course, not a lot of them,
Speaker 1: I hope, considering the racism and anti Semitism that they've seen.
Speaker 1: And I don't think all black people are racist, but
Speaker 1: I do think there are racist black people, or they're
Speaker 1: anti Semitic black people. And you know, if if you're
Speaker 1: willing to accept that there are racist white people, which
Speaker 1: I'm willing to accept, you have to accept that there
Speaker 1: are racist black people. Now, has this been instigated because
Speaker 1: somebody was done wrong over time? I'm sure, I'm sure,
Speaker 1: but that when I see it, I just say, Sean Jackson,
Speaker 1: you know, I just don't think he's I don't think
Speaker 1: you're very You're you can't tell me you're a smart
Speaker 1: human being if if you post that at you don't.
Speaker 1: The second you post anything quoting Hitler, and like you said,
Speaker 1: and by now you post something you quotes Hitler, you're
Speaker 1: not very smart. You know what people's reaction is going
Speaker 1: to be, and it's probably how you really feel. And
Speaker 1: that's that parts not a surprise to me. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: you show who you are when you're quoting Hitler. I
Speaker 1: mean really that that that that that kind of shows
Speaker 1: who you are and it you know, the part of
Speaker 1: this though you mentioned Riley Cooper, and part of this
Speaker 1: is the you know, Deshaun Jackson, obviously to me, is
Speaker 1: someone who spends a lot of time having race conversations.
Speaker 1: And I was always really surprised. I remember when the
Speaker 1: Riley Cooper thing happened on my show I had on
Speaker 1: Akbar bij Biamila, you know, a former NFL or star
Speaker 1: of American Ninja Warrior, and we talked about this and
Speaker 1: I said, you know, using language of this, he goes, well,
Speaker 1: he goes, you'd be surprised, he goes. The stuff that
Speaker 1: gets thrown around the locker room in jest between teammates,
Speaker 1: that's part of you know, our brotherhood. There's race stuff
Speaker 1: that gets thrown around all the time, and there's racist
Speaker 1: words that are said back and forth, and it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's it just happens that way, and and that's just
Speaker 1: but that's that's the the you know, the closed atmosphere
Speaker 1: of what we have as a team. So what you know,
Speaker 1: when I hear that, I can I can see how
Speaker 1: I can see where things like this wind up getting
Speaker 1: blown up and put on social media because I have
Speaker 1: this conversation. You know, we we we we you know,
Speaker 1: we have conversations like this in the locker room for
Speaker 1: whatever reason. And so I'm saying it and I'm to
Speaker 1: put it up on social media. Well, I you know,
Speaker 1: that's that's really that that and that's where it gets
Speaker 1: from one part of the story to the next. So
Speaker 1: I can, I can, I can see how this happens.
Speaker 1: But at the you know, I look at this ago.
Speaker 1: How do you think that you know, you go from
Speaker 1: whatever conversation you're having in life too. I'm gonna put
Speaker 1: this up on social make sure I don't get it. Look,
Speaker 1: I agree with you. In the locker room, generally there
Speaker 1: are race jokes there there at least, you know, again,
Speaker 1: maybe times have changed now there are jokes, sexual jokes,
Speaker 1: sexual orientation jokes. You know. I mean, I remember things
Speaker 1: that something Kobe Bryant said where you know, he had
Speaker 1: to apologize for. And I think people outside the world
Speaker 1: of basketball take it at face value, whereas it's it's
Speaker 1: just a it's a different language inside the confines of
Speaker 1: a sport. Okay, So I do understand that this strikes me, Like, honestly,
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of people who don't know
Speaker 1: anything about Judaism. They just they just don't like that's
Speaker 1: the Hitler quotes a fake quote anyway, And that's where
Speaker 1: I'm like, to post a Hitler quote is dumb. To
Speaker 1: post a fake Hitler quote is even more dumb, and
Speaker 1: then and then to not understand what you're posting is
Speaker 1: equal parts dumb. You know, Look, the average average IQ
Speaker 1: is just as close to eighty as it is to
Speaker 1: one twenty, So not everybody is a magnum kumlati twitter At,
Speaker 1: How about a fresca Doug at gottlieb Show Jason Smith
Speaker 1: and Doug gottlieb In for Dan Patrick Today. Again, this story,
Speaker 1: uh pretty new it We'll keep following it as envelops
Speaker 1: and develops throughout the day for Eagles wide out to
Speaker 1: Seawan Jackson. But coming up next, we got Denny Hamlin,
Speaker 1: Nascar driver. He's gonna stop by a big last twenty
Speaker 1: four hours in Nascar when it comes to the Bubba
Speaker 1: Wallace controversy Confederate flag. You gotta listen. Keep it right here,
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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio, as NASCAR, the National Football League, major
Speaker 1: League Baseball now trying to figure out how to deal
Speaker 1: with the latest tweets from President Donald Trump. It was
Speaker 1: a day ago that he questioned the validity of the
Speaker 1: Bubba Wallace story and wanted Bubba Wallace to apologize for
Speaker 1: the NASCAR hoax of the noose in his garage, saying
Speaker 1: that that in the flag situation, benning the Confederate flag
Speaker 1: and resulted in low radio for NASCAR. He went on
Speaker 1: to talk about how the Indians and Redskins nicknames, which
Speaker 1: were initially made to show strength, should stay nicknames. He
Speaker 1: went on to reference Elizabeth Warren and you know, and
Speaker 1: we're off to the races, you know, Doug, with this
Speaker 1: last these tweets, the last twenty four hours or so.
Speaker 1: When you and I talked about this yesterday, we said, listen,
Speaker 1: the best thing to do is to ignore this and
Speaker 1: just move on. Because the NFL, if they could do
Speaker 1: it over again from twenty seventeen, they certainly would say,
Speaker 1: you know what, We're not going to just start getting
Speaker 1: scattered because President Trump is tweeting about kneeling football players
Speaker 1: and Colin Kaepernick. The best thing to do would be
Speaker 1: to ignore it because, as we said, look, there's political
Speaker 1: stuff and this is something that you can't win. And
Speaker 1: notice the difference in the responses so far is that
Speaker 1: when this happened Redskins, you know, the NFL, really no
Speaker 1: one really said anything. You know, It's like, all right,
Speaker 1: we've done this before, We've been through this. Roger Adell
Speaker 1: put the moment of unity out there saying that we
Speaker 1: blew it last time. Let's go forward together. And NASCAR
Speaker 1: had a bunch of drivers who responded to this because
Speaker 1: this is something brand new for them, and you know,
Speaker 1: and we talked about saying, hey, you know, be ahead
Speaker 1: of things and and and just move on because you
Speaker 1: can't win this battle that that's going to go on
Speaker 1: if you're gonna continually to engage this. Yeah, I look,
Speaker 1: I don't think you have to go full on frontal assault.
Speaker 1: I would guess that the NFL stance changed. Uh. One,
Speaker 1: they didn't want to go against their players. And two,
Speaker 1: Uh my guess is that they feel like Trump's done
Speaker 1: in November anyway, and you want to be on the
Speaker 1: right side of this thing, right like, um, I just
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's interesting where the exact same tweet
Speaker 1: about a similar situation two or three years later can
Speaker 1: be received completely differently. And it's it's knowing the room,
Speaker 1: knowing the temperature of the country. He hasn't changed. This
Speaker 1: is who he is. And I actually would give him
Speaker 1: credit for like, you know, you know who you are,
Speaker 1: know how you got your job. You know you dance
Speaker 1: with the date that brung you. Right, this is how
Speaker 1: we got His gig was in a time in which
Speaker 1: in a job in which is generally seen as a
Speaker 1: unifying job, he has won based upon being polarizing. Right
Speaker 1: that that's basically what it was. He won by dividing
Speaker 1: the country, and his side showed up more in the
Speaker 1: places that it was important, more so than the other side.
Speaker 1: And look, he didn't win any one basically my seventy
Speaker 1: thousand votes, and you know in the states that mattered.
Speaker 1: So that this is but the country has changed, our
Speaker 1: how we receive his tweets have changed. How we view
Speaker 1: our own progression has changed. And that's why I think
Speaker 1: the response has changed. Um, I don't think, and I
Speaker 1: do think a portion of it is, Hey, that guy's
Speaker 1: not gonna be there for long anyway. Let's let's let's
Speaker 1: not act like he matters once, uh, you know, once
Speaker 1: once we get to November fifth or so, if this
Speaker 1: happened now for the first time instead of you know,
Speaker 1: three years ago, would the NFL you think they would
Speaker 1: still get involved. Would this be the same response that
Speaker 1: we've seen from them, as like, listen, the president, we
Speaker 1: learned our lesson last time. I get it. But if
Speaker 1: this happened now in the way we are now in society,
Speaker 1: what we've gone through the past few years, is the
Speaker 1: NFL's reaction different or do they still go WHOA, the
Speaker 1: President's involved and players go back and forth and still
Speaker 1: becomes a big deal was in twenty seventeen. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if it's a different president.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a different message. I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's a different messenger in terms of Kaepernick.
Speaker 1: Don't know. I all of these things, you know, we
Speaker 1: can't I can't really tell you. I can only take
Speaker 1: the I do think context of time does does in
Speaker 1: fact matter? So because I was in New York when
Speaker 1: Eric Garner was killed and it began, you know, that
Speaker 1: was the first I can't breathe, you know, marches, and
Speaker 1: that that was the first time that NBA players really
Speaker 1: became politically involved. I mean really ever since well maybe
Speaker 1: not ever since Vietnam. And you know, you know some
Speaker 1: of the protest marches that Bill Walton was a part of,
Speaker 1: that Kareem was a part of. Etc. But I don't
Speaker 1: know how it would be. I mean, I'm sure it
Speaker 1: would be different, but I don't know what the response
Speaker 1: would be. You know, I think there's a there was,
Speaker 1: because there was also a lot of factors in how
Speaker 1: the country changed. Like, look, we were under quarantine, and
Speaker 1: so you had people with a ton of pent up emotion.
Speaker 1: You had this these stories spread anyway when there's video,
Speaker 1: and cell phone video obviously spreads a lot more. But
Speaker 1: then you also had cell phone video that spreads on
Speaker 1: social media, and so all those things kind of change it.
Speaker 1: And then you factor in people have been quarantined, so
Speaker 1: now they get out and you have a small percentage
Speaker 1: of people start destroying stuff as well. Like all of
Speaker 1: this context and time does matter. Fox Sports Radio, The
Speaker 1: Dan Patrick Show, Jason Smith, Doug Gottlieb in for Dan
Speaker 1: and the Dan Ess Today joining us Now I'm a
Speaker 1: hotline NASCAR driver Denny Hamlin Denny, good morning. Thanks for
Speaker 1: stopping by with us. For sure, thank you. So tell
Speaker 1: me your reaction yesterday. Obviously, I'm sure you were taken
Speaker 1: by surprise you saw President Trump's tweet about Bubba Wallace, NASCAR,
Speaker 1: the flag controversy. What was your reaction when you when
Speaker 1: you saw it, you know, I it's kind of a sigh, Um,
Speaker 1: that was about it. Um. You know, I was busy
Speaker 1: at the race shop, just kind of debriefing from our
Speaker 1: past race and just kind of thinking about Kentucky going
Speaker 1: forward this weekend. But you know, I really didn't have
Speaker 1: a particular reaction. I guess you could say from it.
Speaker 1: You know, I kind of stayed out of it. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, I think that's everything that the industry has
Speaker 1: said we still rings true. Denny. What has this been
Speaker 1: like for you? What has you know, racing when some
Speaker 1: of the world, some of the country is still under
Speaker 1: different phases of quarantine, uh, you know, plus some of
Speaker 1: the you know, the political movements in the country. What's
Speaker 1: it been like for you and your race team. You know,
Speaker 1: we've tried our best to keep the distraction as far
Speaker 1: away as possible and you know, to continue to focus
Speaker 1: on our process and our process to prepare for races,
Speaker 1: our process once we get to the racetrack, and our
Speaker 1: process when we leave the racetrack. And that's essentially kind
Speaker 1: of where I feel like we've been so strong and
Speaker 1: while we've been so good, is we we have have
Speaker 1: kept ourselves sheltered from that stuff, and and uh, it's
Speaker 1: it's kind of accorded to a lot of all and
Speaker 1: track success. It's been a big last couple of weeks
Speaker 1: obviously with the Federate flag situation no longer being welcome
Speaker 1: at NASCAR races, we'll see it being flown outside and
Speaker 1: now with a Bubba Wallace story what have you, you know,
Speaker 1: just just kind of put into words for us a
Speaker 1: bit of what these last two to three weeks have
Speaker 1: been like for you, going from what the sport was
Speaker 1: before to now where you are now considering what's going on. Well,
Speaker 1: I think, you know, with everything that went on in
Speaker 1: our country, um, with the George Floyd situation and others,
Speaker 1: I think that it's just brought a heightened awareness and
Speaker 1: what it had done is, you know, the Confederate flag
Speaker 1: and other issues that you speak of have been thought
Speaker 1: about and talked about within our sport for for many,
Speaker 1: many years, and with everything that has gone on and
Speaker 1: us trying to be as inclusive as we can to everyone,
Speaker 1: it just became the right time to make the change.
Speaker 1: It's unfortunate that, you know, it took lost lives for
Speaker 1: people to really stand up and start making differences. But
Speaker 1: you know that's to me, in my opinions, that's what
Speaker 1: George Floyd and Breonna Taylor and that's what their legacy
Speaker 1: is going to be is they may true change in
Speaker 1: our country. And so you know, for me personally, I
Speaker 1: mean it had an effect. Went to the National Civil
Speaker 1: Rights Museum voluntarily, so it's just kind of listen. My
Speaker 1: promise was is that I was going to listen, and
Speaker 1: and for me, I wanted to listen by going and
Speaker 1: actually put an action behind it. And so, uh it's
Speaker 1: Talla Vegas. Just a few weeks ago we had a
Speaker 1: National Civil Rights Museum on the car after I went
Speaker 1: and visited there, um and and I you know, listen,
Speaker 1: it's it really educated me on you know, America's history,
Speaker 1: and and I encourage people to still you know, you
Speaker 1: can go back there when they reopen, please do because
Speaker 1: it's it's it's great information for everyone to go see
Speaker 1: and have it is it is. I've been there, Denny.
Speaker 1: It's it's powerful. I mean, you feel you can't, you
Speaker 1: just can't believe, like this is the this is our
Speaker 1: country right like this, it's it's really to to and
Speaker 1: I would and I don't know, you know, your background,
Speaker 1: Like look, I grew up in southern California. I just
Speaker 1: cannot believe that's the same country we live in now.
Speaker 1: As as disturbing as the play, the video that George
Speaker 1: Floyd video is, like those images and the videos at
Speaker 1: that museum, I don't know my take. I just I
Speaker 1: was in many ways ashamed of the some of the
Speaker 1: history of our country. Yeah, and and listen, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's realistic to think that, you know, the issues that
Speaker 1: the country has had over the last few months will
Speaker 1: have a piece of that museum, because each piece of
Speaker 1: that museum has created some sort of movements in the
Speaker 1: right direction. And so I think that UM, as tragic
Speaker 1: as it is, it's also likely to save thousands of
Speaker 1: lives going forward. And so I think that it's it was,
Speaker 1: like you said, very eye opening, very humbling from my perspective,
Speaker 1: because you know, I think of our country is hey
Speaker 1: we are, We're diverse, We're more diverse than anyone anyone
Speaker 1: in the world. But you know, you still see some
Speaker 1: of the struggles that that people have it you know,
Speaker 1: me or you will never be able to relate to.
Speaker 1: And it just gave us a little bit of a
Speaker 1: sense of what that is. Denny Hamlin joining us here
Speaker 1: on The Dan Patrick Show along with Jason Smith. I'm
Speaker 1: Doug Gottlieb. What happened in Turn one? It was it's
Speaker 1: one I care to forget. I mean, you know, I
Speaker 1: think about, you know, there's three things in my career
Speaker 1: that I have not accomplished that are you know, big moments,
Speaker 1: and one being the championship overall, which is just you know,
Speaker 1: a one race thing. Now I've got the Brickyards four
Speaker 1: hundred and the coach six hundreds, and just in the
Speaker 1: last you know, honestly, in the last eight months, I've
Speaker 1: had them all slip away for things that I can't control.
Speaker 1: And that's so frustrating as as an athlete, because I
Speaker 1: think that you can't control of the outcome or or
Speaker 1: the results for what's the work that you put in.
Speaker 1: It was, you know, the piece of Tate took away
Speaker 1: our chance that they during a pit stop a piece
Speaker 1: of tape took our chance away. It's a championship. The
Speaker 1: coach six hundred a few weeks ago, we you know,
Speaker 1: the ledge fell out of the car right on the
Speaker 1: first last. I can't help that, you know, And and
Speaker 1: then then I'm leaving the Bookyard four warders in the
Speaker 1: tire blows just seven laps ago. So it's just been
Speaker 1: a very tough one as far as that's concern. And
Speaker 1: hopefully we can bounce back like we have all year
Speaker 1: and just go out and win the next one. You know,
Speaker 1: you tweeted out how gutted you are, how it hurt
Speaker 1: on so many levels. You're trying to win the Brickyard
Speaker 1: for saw. How long does the race like that stay
Speaker 1: with you before you can you know, put it out
Speaker 1: of your mind and move on or does it always
Speaker 1: just stay there in the back of your mind. It's
Speaker 1: usually Tuesday, Wednesday, somewhere in that range. I mean, Monday,
Speaker 1: you got to relive it again because you got to
Speaker 1: go to the race shop, you got to talk about it,
Speaker 1: you gotta figure out, okay, what could we do different?
Speaker 1: That whole debrief and then you know, Tuesdays start to
Speaker 1: kind of turn the corner on. Let's start thinking about
Speaker 1: the next race that's that's going to happen and what
Speaker 1: we can do to h to be better. So I'm
Speaker 1: almost there and then you know, today I've got you know,
Speaker 1: hosts of interviews, so i gotta listen. It's like going
Speaker 1: back over game film, like we gotta watch it. Okay, So, uh,
Speaker 1: Greg Stucker, who's the Goodyear Racing director, said that it
Speaker 1: was a tire pressure issue, you know, and that we
Speaker 1: told that, We told the cruise that there's no practice
Speaker 1: so you can be mindful to heat the tire pressure changes. Um,
Speaker 1: what would you be response to good Year saying, hey,
Speaker 1: this is about tire pressure. Yeah, I mean I think
Speaker 1: that that's like five percent of the issue. I think
Speaker 1: that ours was related to honestly, we were too fast
Speaker 1: what we are. Our car was too fast in the corner,
Speaker 1: so it put more load on the tire than what
Speaker 1: it was capable of handling. And so it's a little
Speaker 1: disappointing that it still can't make a fuel run. Money.
Speaker 1: Your tires should be able to run as long as
Speaker 1: your your car can take a tank of fuel, which
Speaker 1: is forty last we blew that tire with twenty six
Speaker 1: class on our tires. So it's just that you know
Speaker 1: that I guarantee they won't go back with the same tire,
Speaker 1: and that's that'll that will show you right there that
Speaker 1: they believe this their tire was not good enough, uh
Speaker 1: for for for the race that we have heye, Denny. Overall,
Speaker 1: what's it been? Obviously the world has been different with
Speaker 1: racing with coronavirus and not being as many fans and
Speaker 1: racing in the way it's been. What's that whole experience
Speaker 1: been like for you going through this the restart, getting
Speaker 1: back to where you guys are now, you know, everyone
Speaker 1: is just adapted and adapted well. And I think that's
Speaker 1: you know, that's something that I think that reason we've
Speaker 1: had success with our FedEx scheme is that we I
Speaker 1: think we've kept our process the same, no matter whether
Speaker 1: it's been practiced or no practice, whether you can go
Speaker 1: to the shop or or you can't, Like, the communication
Speaker 1: has stayed the same. So we've really done a good
Speaker 1: job of keeping that process the same. And that's that's
Speaker 1: in my mind, while we're having the success that we're
Speaker 1: having one good thing that's kind of like, look, there
Speaker 1: are some good things that come out of this with
Speaker 1: the lack of fans and a lack of people around,
Speaker 1: Is there one good thing from some of these protocols
Speaker 1: that even when people come back you'd like to see
Speaker 1: stay in place. Well, I think that you've seen the
Speaker 1: lack of you know, practice. I'm not sure that that
Speaker 1: will ever, you know, I don't think it will ever
Speaker 1: be at a venue for three days again. I just
Speaker 1: think that that's really really tough to the team financially.
Speaker 1: Got hotel rooms they've got. I mean, it's just so
Speaker 1: many expenses that each set is higher that we've burned through.
Speaker 1: It is probably twenty five hundred dollars, and we've burned
Speaker 1: through three or four of those are in practice. I
Speaker 1: think that, you know, the social distancing thing will remain
Speaker 1: in tact. I don't see it going anywhere until there's
Speaker 1: probably a vaccine, which who knows when that will be.
Speaker 1: But you know, things, I don't know what the new
Speaker 1: normal is going to be. But I think the world
Speaker 1: and the society as a whole is going to have
Speaker 1: a new normal as a whole. You know, everyone's worst
Speaker 1: space is going to be different, including ours, And so
Speaker 1: I don't know what that's going to look like, but
Speaker 1: it certainly is. I don't believe we'll ever go back
Speaker 1: to the way it was. You can fall on Twitter
Speaker 1: at Denny Hamlin. That is at Denny Hamlin tied for
Speaker 1: most wins this year on the circuit. Denny, thanks so
Speaker 1: much for stopping buy with us. Really appreciate all your time,
Speaker 1: Best luck rest of the way. Look forward to talking
Speaker 1: to you again, Ali, guys Sea, thank you all right. Hey,
Speaker 1: great stuff there from Denny Hamlin. Look to to kind
Speaker 1: of work backwards on the interview here a little bit,
Speaker 1: you know, the part at the end they're saying, hey,
Speaker 1: things are never going to be the same again in
Speaker 1: our sport. Things are going to change forever, you know,
Speaker 1: and some of it we got a little bit yesterday,
Speaker 1: you know. David Vase of the Dodgers Dodgers Insider from
Speaker 1: AM five seventy here in La joined us and said, listen,
Speaker 1: we're doing all our interviews via zoom with players, and
Speaker 1: you wonder if that's going to be something that turns
Speaker 1: out to be the norm after this is that you know, hey, players, Hey,
Speaker 1: this worked well. Just being able to do this via
Speaker 1: zoom and not having to have guys come in the
Speaker 1: locker room all the time, and maybe we're not going
Speaker 1: to be allowed in the locker room anymore. And here's
Speaker 1: Denny Hamlin saying, listen, NASCAR's lock these are changes some
Speaker 1: of the stuff that's just going to happen that they've
Speaker 1: hit on, you know, because of the way they've had
Speaker 1: to adapt to COVID nineteen. Yeah, listen, I thought. But
Speaker 1: by the way he handled his good Year answer was
Speaker 1: really really good. But yes, I look, I do think
Speaker 1: whether it's you know, going for walks, you know, or
Speaker 1: how we watch TV, you know, different businesses have emerged.
Speaker 1: I do think there are things that are gonna come
Speaker 1: out of this that are really really good, you know,
Speaker 1: Like I know, you started cracking, Like I've started reading
Speaker 1: books because I'm kind of done. I've gone through the
Speaker 1: whole Netflix, and I know there's a couple people texting
Speaker 1: me some new shows. But like you go through the
Speaker 1: different you know, the different things, you know, different times,
Speaker 1: things that you do when you don't have sports on TV,
Speaker 1: and it's such a big part of your life. And
Speaker 1: I'm just fascinated buy within the sport what actually happens,
Speaker 1: you know, And it's kind of like we talked about
Speaker 1: with baseball, do you really need to have to travel
Speaker 1: across country for all these series? You know, why why
Speaker 1: don't you just why don't you adapt? Why don't you adjust?
Speaker 1: Why do you have to hop on a private plane?
Speaker 1: Like One of the things that a lot of you know,
Speaker 1: college football and basketball teams are gonna do is probably
Speaker 1: take buses to games, especially if they go conference only.
Speaker 1: Now these conferences are gigantic, but they'll do so in
Speaker 1: the name of safety but also the name of saving money.
Speaker 1: And you start to realize that buses are way better
Speaker 1: than they used to be twenty thirty years ago. You know, right,
Speaker 1: you're on the you're on the internet anyway, be on
Speaker 1: Wi Fi, you can be on your devices. You don't
Speaker 1: know how long you're going. So there's lots of different
Speaker 1: things that are going to come out of this which
Speaker 1: are actually good things, you know. And and his story
Speaker 1: about the museum he went to go see and you
Speaker 1: guys had had a great you've been interaction? No I
Speaker 1: have not. Yes, I mean it's it's uh, it's a lot,
Speaker 1: but go ahead, well any any time and listen. Denny
Speaker 1: Hamlin gave the answers and talked about how things should be. Listen,
Speaker 1: I want to move on in race. We want to
Speaker 1: move on in race. But I know I need to
Speaker 1: understand and learn. And you can just tell in his
Speaker 1: voice what the shocking things that he learned. Oh and
Speaker 1: you know you talked about him as well. There's certain
Speaker 1: times when you do something like that, visiting a museum
Speaker 1: like that that will really bring it home to you
Speaker 1: in a way that no other way can. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's in Memphis, Tennessee. Uh, it's actually the Lorraine
Speaker 1: Um the Lorraine Motel that that Martin Luther King Junior
Speaker 1: was shot in. Is the room is still intact and
Speaker 1: the hotel is connect to this museum. How they did
Speaker 1: it was amazing. And but you walk in and like,
Speaker 1: look of the museums. I think you should go to is.
Speaker 1: You should go to the National Holocaust Museum in Washington,
Speaker 1: d C. There's one in Israel. I mean all of
Speaker 1: them hard. I mean those those are hard walks, and
Speaker 1: this one is you just you know, you can't. I mean,
Speaker 1: my my brain just doesn't function that way. You know.
Speaker 1: I was I just my dad was a basketball coach,
Speaker 1: and my my friends were from all nationalities and all races,
Speaker 1: and I had no idea, like I had seen movies
Speaker 1: on it whatever, and I you know, like, but then
Speaker 1: you start to you know, hear some of the rhetoric
Speaker 1: that was on the radio or on the TV. You
Speaker 1: it's it's something it needs to be done. I will
Speaker 1: point out, it's really really important to me. Is I
Speaker 1: have heard and read a lot of people say, you know,
Speaker 1: we haven't changed, we haven't evolved. Like that's not true,
Speaker 1: and that's not fair. It doesn't mean that we're where
Speaker 1: we're supposed to be. But go into that museum. You'll
Speaker 1: be appalled. Walk out of that museum and you'll say, well,
Speaker 1: a lot of things have changed, not perfect, not where
Speaker 1: we should be, but on the on the right path.
Speaker 1: And but it's in Memphis, Tennessee, and it's absolutely fabiously done. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's you know, there's a couple of times in
Speaker 1: my life. Now I haven't been there, but when I
Speaker 1: went to Europe, my wife and I went to Europe
Speaker 1: a few years ago and we went to Anne Frank's
Speaker 1: house and it was you walk in and everybody is quiet,
Speaker 1: everybody is silent. It's so heavy. You're walking in the
Speaker 1: same rooms that Anne Frank and or family lived in
Speaker 1: as they hid, uh, you know, in World War Two,
Speaker 1: and it's just it blows you away and you start
Speaker 1: thinking of things on a much bigger level. Because when
Speaker 1: I was a kid, I read the diary of Anne
Speaker 1: Frank and you get and I understood everything. But you
Speaker 1: go to a place like that and you go You're like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I'm here, I'm here, this is where
Speaker 1: it happened. And it brings you different kinds of enlightenment
Speaker 1: and and it makes you think about things differently. And
Speaker 1: we went to a World War museum in Paris and
Speaker 1: we walked in and we walked out, and my wife
Speaker 1: and I looked at each other and it was like
Speaker 1: a boy, the view of the United States in World
Speaker 1: War Two was really different because it was basically this
Speaker 1: museum in Paris, was it. They equated the help that
Speaker 1: the United States gave him in World War two too,
Speaker 1: like we gave him a ride to the airport. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like, here's all these things with Charles de gaul
Speaker 1: and then what's some help from the United States, Hey,
Speaker 1: France is able to win World War Two. I was like, well,
Speaker 1: that's different. I didn't really get that part of it.
Speaker 1: But it's you know, you go to when you visit
Speaker 1: places like this, and it just gives you a different
Speaker 1: way of thinking. And and you know, hearing Denny Hamlin
Speaker 1: mentioned that you could just hear it in his voice.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's certain ways, but you could hear that
Speaker 1: I'm still thinking about this in his voice. I can
Speaker 1: still hear it in your voice talking about the museum
Speaker 1: and visit. I can you know how you're kind of
Speaker 1: reliving it as you're telling me that story. At the
Speaker 1: same time, Jason meant that gott lebe in for Dan
Speaker 1: and then Nanette. All right, coming up next, Jason, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna hit you with I don't know if it's a
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory, but a thought as we get ready for
Speaker 1: the NBA bubble, what I think they will stop doing
Speaker 1: once we get towards conference finals time. That's next. This
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Speaker 1: Doug Gottlieb in for Dan and the Dan Nets Today
Speaker 1: and Doug. You know you've been hot on this for
Speaker 1: the last hour plus. Yes, you kind of. It's kind
Speaker 1: of conspiracy level. Yeah, I mean, are there conspiracy theories
Speaker 1: that you believe, like like jfk uh Loan Gunman. Oh okay,
Speaker 1: I see what you're saying. Oh, I'm asking you a question.
Speaker 1: Jfk Oh, Yeah, sure, I believe Loan Gunman. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: um moonlanding reel. Oh sure, Moonlanding is reel. Okay. Coronavirus
Speaker 1: it was a five G creation. No, I don't think
Speaker 1: coronavirus was creating the lab. Yeah. Oh no, I I
Speaker 1: mean did There's also people that think it's a something
Speaker 1: happen to do with five G technology. But even though
Speaker 1: it's in one hundred twenty countries and five Oh I see, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: then no, I'm not believing that. And the world is
Speaker 1: also round, Okay, I'll give you that. But there are
Speaker 1: some conspiracy theories. I do agree with those ones that
Speaker 1: you just happen to give you the examples of. I
Speaker 1: don't give me one that you believe in. Uh do
Speaker 1: I believe what's a good conspiracy theory? I believe? Um
Speaker 1: do I believe that Michael Jordan gambled. Yes, I believe. No,
Speaker 1: uh no, I believe things that are in the realm
Speaker 1: of If you want to take a sports analogy for it,
Speaker 1: you want to take a sports thing for it, Like
Speaker 1: do I believe that there are certain things that are
Speaker 1: done to protect teams when you know, like like for instance,
Speaker 1: the Patriots and Spygate, how the evidence that Roger Goodell
Speaker 1: destroyed probably would have been enough to ban the Patriots
Speaker 1: from the National Football League even though it was it
Speaker 1: was I think it was, but he did that to
Speaker 1: protect the NFL, And I believe that he did he
Speaker 1: did so just to do that because he knew the
Speaker 1: reality was going to be too bad for it. So
Speaker 1: certain things like that I'll believe. Okay, look, I think
Speaker 1: the NBA will have legit testing, legit testing, you know,
Speaker 1: under quarantine when players first arrived, which the teams are arriving,
Speaker 1: But I don't believe. I don't believe that they will
Speaker 1: be testing their stars once we get to the Eastern
Speaker 1: Western Conference finals, Like just can you can you imagine,
Speaker 1: like especially the chances that they're sick are they're not sick?
Speaker 1: You know, a guy gets sick in the conference finals
Speaker 1: and you know, he's flu like symptoms and he just
Speaker 1: kind of plays through it. You know, it's and this
Speaker 1: is a I have no factual basis for this. This
Speaker 1: is just me thinking, do they really really want to
Speaker 1: test and have one of their stars test positive, especially
Speaker 1: in a star driven sport like that. Oh no, that
Speaker 1: I'll believe. I'll believe that in a second. I believe,
Speaker 1: and they'll be able to say, what's the plausible deniability
Speaker 1: we can have if it does get out right, because
Speaker 1: we're going to test all the way through, will test
Speaker 1: you the early rounds in the playoffs, but we get
Speaker 1: to that point where the last thing you want to see, Hey,
Speaker 1: here come Lakers and Clippers. But of course no Kawhi
Speaker 1: Letter and Lebron James tonight as they have to sit out,
Speaker 1: you know, with nobody wants that. So I can see
Speaker 1: where it's. Well, we tested for the longest time. Oh
Speaker 1: we just happened, didn't to get this one in. And
Speaker 1: maybe some of the players give a wink and a
Speaker 1: nod and they go, yeah, we're okay, we want to play.
Speaker 1: We want to play this series. Test me at the end,
Speaker 1: you know, test me now you know everything's good, I'm good.
Speaker 1: Test me, at the end or you know, when you
Speaker 1: need to. And I can see that happening, unless something
Speaker 1: winds up being where they can't keep a lid on it,
Speaker 1: which would get really really messy for the NBA. But hey,
Speaker 1: I've been in situations before where people think they can
Speaker 1: control messages, and I'm sure the NBA thinks in that
Speaker 1: bubble they can control everything. Yeah, I just I can't
Speaker 1: see a way in which you're gonna have the like
Speaker 1: during the NBA Finals, like well, you know we tested
Speaker 1: Lebron James and he or Jannistintenna Coupo. I just don't
Speaker 1: see that. I don't see that happening. It's it's it's
Speaker 1: gonna be it's this is gonna be such a it's
Speaker 1: going to be fascinating just to see how it unfolds.
Speaker 1: And you know, early on you're gonna see the teams
Speaker 1: that are ready to go home that I'm here and
Speaker 1: we're we're look, we know we're not winning a championship
Speaker 1: because look, in the NBA, you don't show up as
Speaker 1: an eight seat and get all the way to the final.
Speaker 1: It's not just the eighth seas. Remember they have twenty
Speaker 1: two teams there, you know, that all those teams not
Speaker 1: make the playoffs. So I agree with you right when
Speaker 1: you start to you earn a championship in the NBA
Speaker 1: more than any other sport because you can't just get
Speaker 1: hot and win a title like you can in baseball
Speaker 1: in the NFL, you can get hot at the right
Speaker 1: time and win. You can't just get hot and go
Speaker 1: through all those rounds of playoffs. I mean, we we
Speaker 1: get the best team in the NBA every single season,
Speaker 1: so you're gonna see some teams. Got listen, the lower
Speaker 1: seed of teams. We're ready, we're done, We're ready to
Speaker 1: go home. But when you when you get to that
Speaker 1: big part of it now, and I think that's where
Speaker 1: we're really going to you know, in that conspiracy theory time,
Speaker 1: that's where the NBA is really going to come through
Speaker 1: and things will seem normal. I think that when you
Speaker 1: get to the conference finals and it's Lakers, Clippers, Bucks, Raptors,
Speaker 1: Bucks Out, whatever it turns out to be, this is
Speaker 1: where everything is going to be pushed back and it's
Speaker 1: gonna be I don't want to hear about coronavirus. I
Speaker 1: don't want to hear about anything else. Here's where we
Speaker 1: expect it to be for the longest time, because look
Speaker 1: from opening night last year, what do we expect to
Speaker 1: see Lakers or Clippers and the Milwaukee Bucks, and that
Speaker 1: you know, when we are this close to it, we're
Speaker 1: gonna have blinders on and say, just give me the basketball. Now,
Speaker 1: give me. We've done it, we've gone through it. You're
Speaker 1: obviously still playing and things are working, but give me
Speaker 1: the basketball. And that feeds into into your theory because
Speaker 1: I don't think fans really you're gonna say at that point,
Speaker 1: because right now we don't, Oh, we want to know
Speaker 1: what's going on, give me everything, tell me, let me
Speaker 1: see the positive test. But at that point it's gonna
Speaker 1: be hey, we've been playing, I want to see the
Speaker 1: conference finals. I want to see the NBA final, no question.
Speaker 1: And you're gonna be competing against the NFL and college football,
Speaker 1: we think may major League baseball, and the lasting you
Speaker 1: want is one of your star our players to test positive.
Speaker 1: That's why my belief is that it's not that they'll
Speaker 1: hide the test results. It's that they'll find a way
Speaker 1: to Hey, we're just gonna take your temperature and only
Speaker 1: test you if you pop up with a with a
Speaker 1: high temper. I'll tell you if I did what does
Speaker 1: the Fox say on my show at night, I would
Speaker 1: use that tonight. I would use your I would use that.
Speaker 1: It would be weird if I used it on my show. Here,
Speaker 1: let's tell you. Listen to what Doug Gotlibe said earlier day. Absolutely, hey,
Speaker 1: we got two big stories from the NFL coming up.
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