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Speaker 1: The volume. Hi, everybody, welcome in. You're either watching this

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Speaker 1: on YouTube on Sunday night or listening. As we retweeted

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Speaker 1: on Monday morning, Jason timf and I have I think

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Speaker 1: our best forty five minute NBA discussion on Jason Tatum

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Speaker 1: and the Celtics thrashing of the Sixers. We talk about

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Speaker 1: Lakers and Denver. We talk about the Warriors future. So

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Speaker 1: we'll get to that in about five minutes. I do

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Speaker 1: want to start with the news on John Morant, and

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Speaker 1: for a second time, on his Instagram there's a picture

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Speaker 1: of him with a gun. If you look, every statistic

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Speaker 1: will tell you this. Young men make more poor decisions

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Speaker 1: than any other demographic in the country, far more than

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Speaker 1: young women, old women, middle aged men, older men, young men,

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Speaker 1: and so one of the dilemmas has been young men

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Speaker 1: tend to be more unmeeedable or vulnerable to poor choices,

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Speaker 1: especially when they choose the wrong friends or the wrong

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Speaker 1: groups to hang out with. So one of the issues

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Speaker 1: the NBA is very aware of is the Ja Morant issue.

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Speaker 1: Whereas an NFL player comes in and he's red shirted,

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Speaker 1: he's twenty three years old. Often they're married in college

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Speaker 1: or right when they get out of it into the NFL,

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Speaker 1: you're dealing with an adult. There is a big gap

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Speaker 1: between a nineteen year old male and a twenty three

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Speaker 1: year old male. That four years when you're forty eight

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Speaker 1: to fifty two doesn't matter, but it matters a lot.

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Speaker 1: Young men tend to mature more slowly than young women.

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Speaker 1: So the NBA gets these really really really great, young

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Speaker 1: talented people at nineteen years old. They can't even drink

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Speaker 1: in the hotel bar they stay in, and they're thrust

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Speaker 1: on the spotlight in the star driven sport. Shoe companies, fame, Instagram, girls' money.

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Speaker 1: And I am not saying in any way John Morant

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Speaker 1: isn't culpable for his decisions. But I look at this

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Speaker 1: as a failing of his shoe company. The organization goes

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Speaker 1: close to him. Where's his support system? This doesn't come

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Speaker 1: out of left field. In fact, this is his second incident.

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Speaker 1: Is that we all know the problems with sports. We

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Speaker 1: know that football has a regulated level of violence, so

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Speaker 1: they're trying to make it safer. Less hitting in practice,

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Speaker 1: less hitting above the shoulders. We know baseball they've changed

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Speaker 1: rules to speed the pace of the game up. We know,

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Speaker 1: one of the issues in the NBA is that players

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Speaker 1: are miserable. You don't hear that much from football players

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Speaker 1: because they come in the league more adult, They have

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Speaker 1: a broader life, married kids, and they have shorter careers,

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Speaker 1: so they come into the league with a much more

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Speaker 1: serious mindset, whereas a guy comes into the league at

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Speaker 1: nineteen years old and he looks and says, I can

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Speaker 1: play this for fifteen, eighteen, twenty years, and so there's

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Speaker 1: less urgency for a basketball player who knows he's going

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Speaker 1: to have a longer career. So I think the league

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Speaker 1: and teams and shoe companies have to do a better

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Speaker 1: job of understanding that. I've never been in love with

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Speaker 1: Jah Morant as a franchise player. He reminds me a

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Speaker 1: lot of Derek Rose, where so much of his game

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Speaker 1: is spectacular. You know, Michael Jordan would give you twenty

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Speaker 1: four points a night on just medium range jumpers and

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Speaker 1: then six to eight spectacular points. Patrick Mahomes gives you

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Speaker 1: twenty two completions every Sunday that are easy stuff, curls,

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Speaker 1: drag route screens, and then he gives you four to

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Speaker 1: five jaw dropping plays. I always feel like with Derek

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Speaker 1: Rose and John Morant, like eighty percent of their plays

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Speaker 1: are spectacular. It's hard to last. You're crashing to the floor,

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Speaker 1: You're challenging bigs at the rim. You got to give

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Speaker 1: me twenty one points a night just waking up in

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Speaker 1: the morning, rolling out of bed, mid range jumpers, easy laps.

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Speaker 1: Jaws a wildly spectacular player. But I just don't know

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Speaker 1: physically he and Dereck Rose. They're thin, they weigh one

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Speaker 1: ninety or less. They crash to the floor, they challenge

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Speaker 1: guys at the rim. I don't see them as guys

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Speaker 1: for ten to twelve years. You can depend on physically,

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Speaker 1: but the emotional stuff, this is hard go go back.

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Speaker 1: I mean, when I was nineteen years old, I could

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Speaker 1: never have handled one hundred million dollars. I wouldn't have

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Speaker 1: known what to do. The fame, the girls. So I

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Speaker 1: feel bad for Job Morant. He's not my favorite NBA

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Speaker 1: player in terms of a franchise guy. But god, this

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Speaker 1: is the second time with Jaw we've seen it before.

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Speaker 1: That's why I have been on this for several years.

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Speaker 1: The idea that college basketball is the enemy of the

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Speaker 1: NBA is ludicrous. There is nothing wrong with going to college,

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Speaker 1: being within a system on a college campus, being coached hard,

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Speaker 1: being responsible, having to be more selfless. When Zion Williamson

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Speaker 1: said I want to come back to duke, people shamed

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Speaker 1: him now because of his body type. He may have

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Speaker 1: been better served going to the pros because everybody was

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Speaker 1: But I don't know. I look at the Ja Morant situation.

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Speaker 1: I am not saying he shouldn't be responsible, but I

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Speaker 1: also think this has been something I've seen more than once.

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Speaker 1: And you don't expect nineteen year olds to make great

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Speaker 1: decisions when you empty everything fame, money, responsibility on them.

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Speaker 2: To me, that game was pretty simple. The best player

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Speaker 2: for the Sixers no showed, and the second best player,

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Speaker 2: who's been kind of hot and cold anyways, also happened

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Speaker 2: to be cold. And you're just not going to keep

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Speaker 2: up with that super talented Celtics team unless you get

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Speaker 2: good play out of your stars. And to me, that's

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Speaker 2: pretty much all there is too. What were your thought

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Speaker 2: What were your thoughts on that game?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we can put the harden. You know,

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Speaker 1: we've been we've been pretending that every trust hardened in

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Speaker 1: the playoffs for a decade and this has always been like,

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Speaker 1: like we've come to terms. Kirk Cousins probably has four

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Speaker 1: or five more good years, but we've bailed on him.

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Speaker 1: We do that football, you're not a big game player.

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Speaker 1: Andy Dalton got that reputation very early in the NBA

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Speaker 1: because so much of the league is optics and aesthetics.

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Speaker 1: If we like your style, we keep believing you'll deliver forms.

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Speaker 1: It's like Westbrook's not a playoff guy. Harden's not a

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Speaker 1: playoff guy. And that style of play, which is you

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Speaker 1: know and a Harden never took great care of himself.

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Speaker 1: You age a really fast, right, there's a reason Lebron's

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Speaker 1: still great. Rady at the end was still great. Kobe

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Speaker 1: last game could be great. Your body treats you like

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Speaker 1: a he was a nightclub guy. That's fine with me.

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Speaker 1: But what happens at the end of years this sport,

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Speaker 1: which is incredibly taxing, there's just too many games. It's

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Speaker 1: always been too taxing. That's why old NBA players in

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Speaker 1: their fifties are all crouched over. It just beats them.

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Speaker 1: The sport beats the hell out of you. So there

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Speaker 1: should be about sixty five sixty eight games. And that's

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Speaker 1: why load management, the analytics are now acknowledging these guys

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Speaker 1: are playing too many games. It's not an excuse, it's

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Speaker 1: the truth. So you know, Harden is aged very quickly,

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Speaker 1: but also on a micro level within seasons, he ages

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Speaker 1: very quickly. He doesn't have a lot left and that

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Speaker 1: And I said this about a month ago. I said,

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Speaker 1: he's really now kind of a role player. And what

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Speaker 1: the role players do, like Jordan Poole, great night, bad night,

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Speaker 1: that's a role player. You know, a d steph Lebron

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Speaker 1: Harden is. So I think it's time to move on

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Speaker 1: from James Harden. I love Maxi and beads there for

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Speaker 1: the long term. Tobias Harris is fine. P J. Tucker

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Speaker 1: is what he is. But I think, you know, in

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Speaker 1: a way, I'm relieved we don't have to keep pretending

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Speaker 1: we know what Harden is in Big Spot. It doesn't work.

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Speaker 1: And Tatum also had his best game maybe as a pro.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he that first half was like wow, it

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Speaker 1: and that let's not have recency bias. Every Celtic fan

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Speaker 1: today was praying that Tatum showed up, So let's not

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Speaker 1: pretend like that hasn't been an ongoing discussion, so but

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Speaker 1: I was happy for him. He's a great player and

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Speaker 1: his confidence kind of waivers at times. But that move

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Speaker 1: like if he has has an eight second piece of

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Speaker 2: You know, Tatum. I gained so much respect for him

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Speaker 2: in this series because of how poorly things were going

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Speaker 2: for him and his sticktuitiveness during it all. For how

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Speaker 2: poorly he played to start Game six, to suddenly have

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Speaker 2: those shots fall at the end of the game, and

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Speaker 2: you could just tell it was like the weight of

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Speaker 2: huge problem for him and to see that skill kind

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Speaker 2: of come to fruition on the stage. I talked about

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Speaker 2: practicing it, like, I have no doubt that if Tatum

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Speaker 2: my dues, I've done all the work, and these shots

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Speaker 2: thought he exposed Joel Embiid as a one dimensional defender

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Speaker 2: in this game with his ability to pull him out

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Speaker 2: and switches and kill him on the perimeter. But by

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Speaker 2: the way, something to gain appreciation for Anthony Davis, Like

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Speaker 2: Embiid is considered a much better defender than Jokic, but

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Speaker 2: he was a liability in this game because of his

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Speaker 2: inability to defend on the perimeter exactly whereas Anthony Davis.

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Speaker 2: It's like I'm switching on Steph Freakin Curry with the

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Speaker 2: As far as the Sixers go, I want to try

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Speaker 2: to focus more on Embiid because I look at Harden

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Speaker 2: helps get guys into their spots. He straight up stole

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Speaker 2: two games in this series. I would argue you got

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Speaker 2: more out of Harden than you could have hoped to

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Speaker 2: get in this type of setting.

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Speaker 1: Oh, no question. I mean that game the other night

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Speaker 1: was his best game in the playoffs in eight years.

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Speaker 1: That was a complete outlier for almost a decade exactly.

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Speaker 2: And he had another one earlier in the series without Embiid.

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Speaker 2: He so like I focus on Embiid, This is actually

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Speaker 2: a crazy stat. Colin. Joel Embiid averaged five made field

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Speaker 2: goals in the paint per game in this series. Nikola

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Speaker 2: different series if Lebron doesn't salvage that one. And then

428
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Speaker 2: in Game six, like that was I don't think people

429
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,639
Speaker 2: realize like that was MVP level performance from Lebron in

430
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:23,639
Speaker 2: that Game six, like he was unbelievable defensively, unbelievable on

431
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,240
Speaker 2: the glass, controlled the offense out of the post, and

432
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,400
Speaker 2: had a high pick and roll picking on Steph Kurry.

433
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,520
Speaker 2: It was vintage Lebron. And so to me, what that

434
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,960
Speaker 2: told me was like, Okay, he knows he has that

435
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 2: in the bag. What he's gonna do is he's gonna

436
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 2: hold that back and only use it when it's absolutely necessary,

437
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,480
Speaker 2: just from the standpoint of the energy level and as

438
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,199
Speaker 2: far as the roster goes, and like, I know that

439
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,680
Speaker 2: there's not a dependable offensive player on the roster. That's true.

440
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 2: Lebron's coasting a lot, Anthony Davis is up and down offensively,

441
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 2: each of these role players are. It's like one night

442
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,719
Speaker 2: they're great, one night they're not. But there's so many

443
00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,879
Speaker 2: of them that can go off. And Darvin Ham is

444
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 2: so good at recognizing which player is in that groove

445
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 2: and leaning on him with more minutes, just like Lonnie

446
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 2: Walker in that fourth quarter of Game four where it's

447
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 2: like tonight it's Austin Reeves, the next day it's D'Angelo Russell. Oh, today,

448
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,920
Speaker 2: Ruey Hachimuras got going. We're gonna feed him. He's got

449
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,640
Speaker 2: twenty four. Oh, today's Lebron's game. He's got it going.

450
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 2: They've got such a depth of players that can convert

451
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 2: things offensively, and as I look at the Denver matchup,

452
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 2: to me, it's one hundred percent about Anthony Davis versus

453
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 2: Nikola Jokic and his ability to bother him defensively. Because

454
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 2: think of it like this, If I go down the roster,

455
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,119
Speaker 2: is Lebron better than Jamal Murray? Hell yeah, even this

456
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 2: version of him Austin reeves, Yes, every bit is good,

457
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 2: if not better than a guy like Michael Porter Junior

458
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 2: or Contavious Calbo, Pope, D'Angelo Russell, like they actually down

459
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 2: the roster are better. Just Jokic could theoretically be the

460
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 2: best player in the series. And so everything to me

461
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 2: comes down to Anthony Davis and his ability to bother

462
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 2: Nikola Jokic. If he does that, I think the Lakers

463
00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 2: have enough and this this is a key Cup basketball

464
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,880
Speaker 2: that is going to dominate this particular series. Every team

465
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 2: the Lakers have played so far has been able to

466
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 2: switch the Lebron James Anthony Davis pick and roll because

467
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 2: Dylan Brooks and Jaron Jackson can both guard the other,

468
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 2: so they'll just switch it. You have Andrew Wiggins and

469
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 2: Draymond Green, they can just switch it. They're not gonna

470
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 2: switch Nikola Jokic onto Lebron. So basically you're gonna have

471
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 2: Lebron dominating this series in high pick and roll against

472
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 2: Nikola Jokic. And that's where Lebron can use his brain

473
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 2: more because he's gonna automatically get dribble penetration coming over

474
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 2: the top of those screens since they're not switching it.

475
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 2: So it's gonna be all about Lebron on the offensive

476
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 2: end in this series and all about Anthony Davis. Can

477
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 2: he stay out of foul trouble and can he contain

478
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 2: Nikola Jokic.

479
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the longest stretch for Anthony Davis playing. Well. Now,

480
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 1: there was the Bubble year when he had that sabbatical,

481
00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:58,160
Speaker 1: but this is really the longest sustained stretch. God, even

482
00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 1: pre Lakers. There was a couple of years before he

483
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 1: came to the Lakers where he had injuries. So you

484
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 1: cross your fingers a little, but I will say that

485
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 1: I remember when the rumor started that Anthony Davis was

486
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 1: going to be a Laker, and there was for about

487
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 1: an hour a rumor he was going to be a Clipper.

488
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:23,120
Speaker 1: It was very brief, Rich Paul, the guys. I don't

489
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 1: think Rich Paul wanted to make it look so obvious

490
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,159
Speaker 1: that he was going to join Lebron. So there was

491
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 1: like this, oh, the Clippers are in it. And I

492
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 1: remember a source inside the Clippers saying they just didn't

493
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 1: think he would consistently play through pain and big guys

494
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 1: have unique bodies and you gotta play hurt, and that

495
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 1: was always the knock on him. I don't think he's

496
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: one hundred percent now. I think he's playing hurt. And

497
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:54,400
Speaker 1: I think I'll throw this at you. When Lebron set

498
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: the scoring record this year and there was that video

499
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 1: where Anthony Davis like didn't get off the bench, and

500
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,680
Speaker 1: I think there was a little bit of feelings hurt

501
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 1: and it was a little territorial like it's this my

502
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 1: team or this. But I do think Lebron in his

503
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 1: camp after the record was set, I think they made

504
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: a real effort to say, hey man, that was just

505
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 1: a record like this, this is your team. And I

506
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,199
Speaker 1: think Lebron and his guys deserve credit for really empowering

507
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: Anthony Davis, because let's be honest, all we talked about

508
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:26,919
Speaker 1: for about three weeks was Lebron breaking Kareem Abdulijibbar's record,

509
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: and that you know, after a while that would wear

510
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 1: on the two best. Yeah, yeah, And so I think

511
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 1: I think Lebron and his camp were very sensitive when

512
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 1: there were there were some reports that I know because

513
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: people reached out to me like they didn't like that narrative.

514
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,199
Speaker 1: And they've massaged it and they've really empowered a D.

515
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 1: And you're seeing now college ad first three years in

516
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 1: New Orleans, a D bubble, a D. And I don't

517
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: think there's any question he's the best defensive player left.

518
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,919
Speaker 1: And I thought not Steph Curry, but Ad essentially controlled

519
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: that whole series. Everything the Warriors did both ms was

520
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: based on where's Ad. He totally controlled the series. Even

521
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 1: on nights when he wasn't great offensively, he still controlled it.

522
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, you hit this hard all week, and I'm so

523
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 2: glad you did, because it's recognition that Anthony Davis deserves.

524
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 2: Every adjustment in the series was built around the Warriors

525
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 2: trying to get Anthony Davis away from the paint and

526
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 2: the Lakers trying to get Anthony Davis back into the paint.

527
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 2: There's no question to me that he was the best

528
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 2: player in the series. I mean, the reality is is

529
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 2: they held to Steph to his least efficient scoring postseason

530
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 2: series since the Rockets in twenty nineteen. That's Anthony Davis.

531
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 2: This is another crazy stat for you, Lebron, And this

532
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 2: is this stat for you calling. This is the biggest

533
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 2: reason why I believe in this Lakers team and their

534
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 2: ability to win a championship. They throw hellacious defensive punches.

535
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,120
Speaker 2: Now they can coast a lot, and they usually wait

536
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 2: to use it until they need it. I think it's

537
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 2: a big part of why their series have followed identical cadences,

538
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 2: because they just have thesecipic games like Game three, where

539
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 2: it's like, we're gonna just throw the kitchen sink defensively,

540
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 2: Game one, Game six, that kind of thing in clutch situation,

541
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 2: So when the scorer is within five points with less

542
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 2: than five minutes left, the Lakers are holding teams in

543
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,679
Speaker 2: this postseason run to seventy four point four points per

544
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 2: one hundred possessions, and they are undefeated five to zero

545
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,880
Speaker 2: games this postseason with clutch situations. None of the remaining

546
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 2: teams have a defensive rating below one hundred in clutch

547
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 2: situations in this postseason run. So the Lakers defensive punch,

548
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,959
Speaker 2: in large part because of Anthony Davis, is just so

549
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 2: much more powerful than any of these other teams and

550
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 2: what they can throw, and so if they get enough

551
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 2: offensively out of this group, they're just the better two

552
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 2: way team than any of these guys in my opinion.

553
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I find myself. And this is not a

554
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: shot at Jokic because I thought he'd deserved the MVP,

555
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: But I do want to see a Laker Celtic final.

556
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: I went skiing on a Saturday with a friend. It

557
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:58,959
Speaker 1: was a great ski day and we came home that

558
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: night and the Celtics play the Lakers. That was on ABC.

559
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: It was a Saturday night, you know network game. It

560
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: was a great game in Boston. Great game. And I

561
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: remember sitting with a friend and I'm like, I can't

562
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: figure this team out. They'd beaten Milwaukee at Milwaukee like

563
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: a month earlier. I'm like, God, this team's mess. And

564
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, then they play Milwaukee in Boston, I'm like,

565
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: I think they're better. So I've struggled to get a

566
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: beat on them all year. But I will say this

567
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: because I was thinking of driving in the car today.

568
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: Let's step ahead. If they faced Boston, So the best

569
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: player would be Anthony Davis or Tatum. The second best

570
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: player would be Jalen Brown or Lebron. And then you'd

571
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: get to and you could criticize the Lakers for like,

572
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: D'Angelo Russell is inconsistent, but he's a better offensive player

573
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: than their third best player, Marcus Smart. And then you

574
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: could say, well, Austin Reeves is undrafted, but I'd argue

575
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: he's a more reliable player than their fourth best offensive player,

576
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: Malcolm Brogdon. Well you could say, well, your Jared Vanderbilt

577
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: gives you nothing offensively. Ei it as Robert Williams, and

578
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: then you get into the ruie, and then you start

579
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: looking around at those peripheral players, Derek White and ruining it.

580
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: It's going to be a series where those role players,

581
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: it's you know, role players play well. Jason at home,

582
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: My guess is we're noted at six. We go to

583
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: a game seven and then does Lebron go Superman as

584
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: he put the cape on? But I went back and

585
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: forth in the Car today Boston Lakers, and I'm like,

586
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: that's pretty even. And the difference is, I think Darvin

587
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: Ham's had a better year coaching. I think he has

588
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: a better feel for his team than Missoula does. At

589
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: this point. It is at this point, and again, let's

590
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: not let's not go confirmation bias. Three games ago, we

591
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: didn't know what the hell was going on a Tatum

592
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: Orange coach. So right like today, we think it's all solved.

593
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: But I think Boston Lakers, I've just come to terms

594
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: with Lebron still has the ability to put the cape on.

595
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: Even only his last year he could put the cape on.

596
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: So maybe, and I'm warning myself be very careful. We

597
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: did this with far we do it with Kobe Wit.

598
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: These guys don't give it to you every night or

599
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: every moment, but the ones, especially that took care of themselves,

600
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: they can still bring it. Lebron's performance in Game six

601
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: against Golden State, he was the best player on the

602
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: fourteen shots for thirty points. It was incredible, and he's

603
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: so smart, just.

604
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 2: Bullying everybody to the rim, beating people off the dribble.

605
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 2: It was. It was unbelievable. And that's the unique thing

606
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 2: about this Laker team is they have what might be

607
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 2: the best player in the world in Anthony Davis, and

608
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 2: then another guy who, in any one game sample can

609
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 2: be the best player on the floor. Like he was

610
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 2: the best player on the floor in a game that

611
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 2: had Anthony Davis and Steph Curry in it, and he's

612
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 2: a million years old, Like it's remarkable to me. The

613
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 2: Boston series an interesting matchup because Robert Williams I don't

614
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 2: think would be as valuable in that series, because I

615
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 2: think the Celtics would try to space out Anthony Davis

616
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 2: with their five out groups without Horford on the perimeter. However,

617
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 2: but one of Boston's biggest weaknesses in my opinion, is

618
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 2: they are very very much analytically focused. They want layups

619
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 2: and threes and layups and threes that I think plays

620
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 2: directly into Darvin Ham's coaching style, which is we want

621
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 2: to chase you off the line and funnel you to

622
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 2: Anthony Davis. And so especially if Al Horford had Al

623
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 2: Horford had extended stretches of this series where he lost

624
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 2: control of his shot, like there was I think in

625
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 2: game oh, you think in game six he was like

626
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 2: zero for seven from three at one point like that.

627
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 2: I think Darvin ham has some punches that he can

628
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 2: throw against Boston to try to play them into their

629
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 2: worst tendencies. But we have not seen a team yet

630
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,959
Speaker 2: that can truly and effectively pull Anthony Davis away from

631
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 2: the basket. Boston has the tools necessary to do so.

632
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 2: So it's another styles make fights kind of thing. And

633
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 2: while Tatum and Brown are jacking up threes and driving

634
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 2: into the basket, you're gonna have Anthony Davis and Lebron

635
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 2: trying to punish them in the post, and they're gonna

636
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 2: have Seisman's matches all over the floor. The guard play

637
00:32:58,120 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 2: is going to be super interesting. That would definitely be

638
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 2: very entertaining series. But I'll tell you the Lakers are

639
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 2: gonna have their hands full with the Nuggets. I have

640
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 2: a lot of respect for that team.

641
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,959
Speaker 1: Well, they know what they are, their star knows what

642
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: he is. There's absolute clarity on what they do and

643
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: don't do. My concern is, I don't trust Michael Porter

644
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: in a big game. I just don't. So I don't.

645
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't even I know Jamal Murray's good.

646
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: I trust you Kis in a big game, Jamal Murray

647
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: I mostly trust, but Anthony Davis, if it went to

648
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: a game six or seven, a D and Lebron are

649
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: showing it. You know, there's you know, it's interesting about

650
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: the Lakers. I view them as sort of an older,

651
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: low ceiling team. But a D actually, for his age,

652
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: is still in his prime. Austin Reeves going into it,

653
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,720
Speaker 1: de Loo absolutely in it. Vanderbilt athletically in it, Ruey

654
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: in it. You know, you look at them and you

655
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: just immediately this is my bias. Oh, Lebron's old, they're old,

656
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: but they actually both Denver the Lakers, a majority of

657
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: their players, whether we love them or not, there is

658
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: a lot of guys in their prime. Athletically. Lebron obviously isn't.

659
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: But if you look at Anthony Davis in this stretch,

660
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: you can't tell me he's out of his prime. He's

661
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: in his prime. I mean, there's never been a player

662
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 1: this good in the playoffs that was maybe except Lebron.

663
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 1: That Anthony's problems offensively a lot of times are I

664
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,760
Speaker 1: thought some of it was Golden State putting different people

665
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: on him. It wasn't all that Anthony was bad. I mean,

666
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:44,240
Speaker 1: they did throw every look in the world conceivably at him,

667
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: and very few players Jason are great. Tatum's a great example.

668
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: He was crap for three quarters the other night in

669
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: that game. Like how many players in the history of

670
00:34:53,520 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: the league are great every single game offensively the whole series. Yeah,

671
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 1: I remember. I mean Kobe had a game seven that

672
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: Metal World Peace won that he was terrible. Remember the

673
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: one in LA It was terrible. By the way, it

674
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 1: is Lebron because I watched the I watched the Utah

675
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: Jazz Michael Jordan Bowl final. Michael, I swear to god,

676
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,479
Speaker 1: I had like a ten for a thirty three. Utah

677
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: gave him problems. I watched him have games against the

678
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: Sonics where Michael was just close out games. Wasn't good,

679
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:30,359
Speaker 1: Like Lebron has screwed it all up. We just think, oh,

680
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: twelve years, no bad games. I remember when Dan Gilbert

681
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: at Once they were mad when he left Cleveland. They

682
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: pointed to a game against like the Celtics and said

683
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,919
Speaker 1: he quit and it was like twenty eight thirteen to nine.

684
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, when that's your quit game. I mean, I

685
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: think it's one of those things where Lebron just, I mean,

686
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: Lebron changed how Lebron's putting pressure on Tatum. We now

687
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 1: think that all these great players are always great in

688
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: big games, and it's like, no, Michael wasn't. Barkley wasn't.

689
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: KD wasn't Steph isn't. We've come to that conclusion. I

690
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: think you're right. Lebron's the only one in my lifetime,

691
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:11,760
Speaker 1: you know, no one not Magic Johnson got called tragic

692
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: Johnson right after a series against Pot. Kareem was pretty

693
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: damn good. You couldn't stop his shot. Kareem had very

694
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: few bad games in this product.

695
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's to me, it's the unique thing that sets

696
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 2: Lebron apart. He's not reliant on shot variants. So if

697
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 2: his jumper's not falling, he's still going to finish eight

698
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 2: or nine times in the paint, and he's going to

699
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,760
Speaker 2: create nine or ten assists kicking out to three point shooters,

700
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 2: play elite defense and be able to dominate the flow

701
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 2: of the game, and that's what sets him apart. Colin,

702
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you, I have a theory for

703
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 2: what direction the Warriors should go, But before I hit that,

704
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 2: I wanted to see where your head's at. If you

705
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 2: were GM of the warriors of like what do you?

706
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 2: And we do have this report from Sham's that're probably

707
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 2: going to keep Clay, probably going to keep Andrew and Draymond.

708
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 2: It looks like the young guys name Lea, Kminga, and

709
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 2: Pool will be the guys they look to sharp shop.

710
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 2: So in your opinion, what kind of player would you

711
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 2: be targeting with those players in a trade?

712
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: Okay? So I read the Anthony Slater piece at the

713
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 1: Athletic this morning, and so I agree that I would

714
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 1: keep Okay, so the story laid it out as you do.

715
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 1: They're going to keep Clay. I would try to get

716
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: him at a reduced rate. I would not pay him.

717
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 1: I would just go to him and say do you

718
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 1: want to be part of this or not? But I

719
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: wouldn't have a problem with Draymond. I still think Draymond's

720
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: an elite defender. He's an offensive catalyst, a screen setter,

721
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 1: IQ on the floor. He's always been hot and cold offensively.

722
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: I would keep Steph. I would really try to keep Wiggins.

723
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: I think there's some role players, you know. I would

724
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: keep Kaminga. I like Moody, although he's limited. I like Moody,

725
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: Gary Payton, I like and I would try to get

726
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: Clay in a much reduced role. So the two players

727
00:37:56,239 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: I have questions about her Jordan Poole, who drives me crazy,

728
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 1: but Steph Mitch misses stretches and when he does, you

729
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 1: can't become reliant on Clay. So Pool is way more

730
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,320
Speaker 1: valuable than I want to acknowledge because he drives me crazy.

731
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 1: I think his issue Jason is because he backs up

732
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: Steph that when he comes on the floor he feels

733
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: he has to be spectacular. In the last two games

734
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: in this series, I think we talked about this. He

735
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 1: took some mid range shots. When you play behind Steph

736
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: and the crowd's all worked up and he goes off

737
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: the floor, it's like mid range jumpers. What this is?

738
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: So I think I think I think Steph is an

739
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: ally but can get in Jordan Poole's head. I think

740
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 1: it's hard to play behind Steph. It really is hard.

741
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: Whereas everybody knew physically, nobody was Lebron. Nobody thought I'm

742
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: gonna do Lebron. Steph small slight, you can shoot two threes,

743
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: and I think Pool sometimes thinks I'm going to do

744
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: and it's like, no, dude, just do your thing. So

745
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: I think Pools more valuable than I want to say

746
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 1: is here's my concern. I think i'd move Looney. Here's

747
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: why because I think one of the things the Lakers

748
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 1: figured out very quickly, and they knew this going in,

749
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: is he's just no offensive threat. So you have to

750
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: have Draymond on the floor defensively, So you have to

751
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: take Looney off the floor. And we know it's a

752
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 1: wing league now right, it's a shooter's league. But because

753
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 1: he's become such a profound rebounder, he's got value on

754
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: the market. I think the next step for them is

755
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: becoming less reliant on their backcourt scoring. They've got to

756
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 1: have seventeen eighteen points. I don't think Karl Anthony Towns fits,

757
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 1: he's too squirrely. But I do think if you went

758
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: to Minnesota and said, hey, it doesn't work there, you

759
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 1: guys could use Jordan Poole. Because Ant can sometimes be

760
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: a reluctant perimeter shooter. He doesn't play defense. Ant can.

761
00:39:56,520 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: That's an interesting fit. Mike Conley's a grown up pools limature.

762
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:05,320
Speaker 1: Ant is a physical specimen who can sometimes lose confidence

763
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 1: in his shot. Pool never does in a weird way

764
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,720
Speaker 1: he kind of works with Minnesota. He really, in my opinion,

765
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 1: you could disagree, but it's like he is what they

766
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,840
Speaker 1: aren't and what he isn't they are. And Karl Anthony Towns,

767
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 1: although he's squarely can give you a twenty two point

768
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: threat every night. And again I'm not saying he's the

769
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 1: right one. I don't think you need twenty eight there,

770
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 1: but you gotta be a threat. You've got to have.

771
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 1: You've got to make Anthony Davis if you meet or Yokic,

772
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: you have to make them stay up at night. And

773
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: think I got to bring it on both ends. It's

774
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: like Anthony Davis can take plays off. That's my take

775
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 1: is that I would try to move you. Maybe have

776
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 1: to move d'ante di Vincenzo. You got to move Gary Payton,

777
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 1: you got to move two draft picks. You got to

778
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 1: move Looney. I would try to get some scoring. That's

779
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: what I would try to do. From the Am I

780
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 1: wrong on that maybe?

781
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 2: And if I am telling me, the big one you

782
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 2: hit on that I very much agree with is you

783
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 2: can't just rely on backcourt scoring anymore. As a matter

784
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:05,240
Speaker 2: of fact, you actually specifically said smaller role for Klay Thompson.

785
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 2: I think it's time to have that meeting with Clay

786
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 2: where you sit down with him and you're like, hey,

787
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 2: we're in a different phase now, Like it's time for

788
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 2: you to evolve into a little bit more of a

789
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 2: supporting role. And it's kind of ironic because he had

790
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,959
Speaker 2: a pretty damn good regular season in terms of half

791
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 2: court shot creation. But I saw people tweeting before Game six, like, oh,

792
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 2: game six, Clay, and I'm like, there were a lot

793
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 2: of things I didn't know about Game six. I was

794
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 2: one hundred percent certain that Clay wasn't going to play well.

795
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 2: He wasn't getting great looks. His legs were clearly cooked,

796
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 2: like I thought. I said this in my Game six preview,

797
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 2: and I think it was a missed opportunity. I think

798
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 2: they should have been leaning way more and Andrew Wiggins

799
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 2: to look to score throughout that series. He was getting

800
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,879
Speaker 2: much better matchups against these Laker guards. He was cooking them.

801
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 2: In Game five at home, he scored on d Angelo Russell.

802
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was better than I thought. In the Sacramento series,

803
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: considering his hiatus, he was worse against the Lakers. He

804
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:03,760
Speaker 1: didn't show up for three four games yeah.

805
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 2: And that's the thing is, like I thought they leaned

806
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 2: way too heavily on clay when there were better options

807
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 2: out there. I would look at it like this, Like

808
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 2: the Jordan Pool problem is that the vast majority of

809
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 2: young guards don't know how to play winning basketball. That's

810
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 2: just the vast majority of them don't actually learn how

811
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 2: to contribute in a winning context until they're in their

812
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 2: late twenties, right, And so Jordan's just and you've talked

813
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 2: about this a lot on your show. Jordan deserves to

814
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 2: go somewhere where he can be the starting point guard

815
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 2: and in a lower pressure situation, learn how to play

816
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 2: the game. And more importantly, he's your best vehicle with

817
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 2: which to bring back that diversity of shot creations. So

818
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 2: if you're lying way too heavily on backcourt shot creation,

819
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 2: you need some sort of rim pressuring forward that you

820
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 2: can consistently dump the ball down into the post or

821
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 2: attack mismatches with basically a better version of Andrew Wiggins.

822
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's a guy like ogn Andobi

823
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 2: that you try to get from somewhere like Toronto or

824
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 2: Carl Towns is an interesting example. The one thing that

825
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 2: freaks me out with Carl towns Is. He has a

826
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 2: tendency to be like, oh, I'm just going to float

827
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 2: around the perimeter today, and that that kind of can

828
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 2: be a bit of an issue, especially for the addressed here,

829
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 2: you know. And then with the Looney thing and this

830
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 2: last thing I'll say about it, like he it's time

831
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 2: for the Warriors to have what they wanted James Wiseman

832
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 2: to be, but that he was never going to be

833
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 2: that young, which is a true vertical threat underneath the

834
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 2: basket for contested rebound situations, brim protection and in lob

835
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 2: threat situations and pick and roll. It's time for them

836
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 2: to have a six or eleven dude who can jump

837
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 2: on the roster.

838
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: It's time, by the way, let me throw out the knicks.

839
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: They could sure use Andrew Wiggins. O.

840
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great example. What about Julius Randall is

841
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 2: a rim, pressuring forward for the Warriors?

842
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: You know, could you get Mitchell Do you like Mitchell Robbinson?

843
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 1: Although he's not much of an offensive.

844
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,240
Speaker 2: I like I like Mitchell Robinson a lot. He's actually

845
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 2: a perfect example of a backup center that I'd love

846
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 2: to have behind Raymond Green.

847
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:04,959
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I mean Julius Randall plays his ass off.

848
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 1: He's a real defender, excellent effort guy. And on the Warriors,

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Speaker 1: he would be the third to four scoring option. That's

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Speaker 1: perfect for Julius Randall. Honestly, you know, it's so funny

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Speaker 1: about this league. It's so much about fit. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Lebron handpicked Ad. And one of the reasons why is

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Speaker 1: I've always felt this with Lebron. It's kind of a

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Speaker 1: sneaky Lebron thing. He doesn't want to be by the

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Speaker 1: basket because if he's by the basket, defensively, he can't

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Speaker 1: get the ball on the outlet and fly down the floor.

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Speaker 1: He has to go ninety six. Lebron's way better at

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Speaker 1: the free throw line and off to the races. So

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Speaker 1: he's always loved a big that will do a little

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Speaker 1: bit of the dirty work down low, just length. He

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Speaker 1: didn't have to be because Lebron could block a lot more.

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Speaker 1: He could be a much more. Yeah, but Lebron wants

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Speaker 1: the ball tipped. Lebron gets the free throw line and

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Speaker 1: then six nine, two fifty. At the other night, he

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Speaker 1: came down on the break and he looked left and

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Speaker 1: went right. I got He's a freight train like everybody's

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Speaker 1: just he's parts the seas. But I do think that's

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Speaker 1: to me. I don't know if Randall's the piece, But

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Speaker 1: like I look at the Knicks and I'm like.

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Speaker 2: His IQ concerns me, his basketball cube, him being a

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Speaker 2: little bit of a ball stopper. That might drive Steve

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Speaker 2: Kerr insane.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I I mean, the Knicks need a real score.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to give Wiggins up. I think you know,

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Speaker 1: and you watch this league as closely as anybody. I know,

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Speaker 1: I don't need twenty six and nine in the post.

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Speaker 1: I need sixteen. I just need something. Like It's just

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Speaker 1: the other day Looney hit a miderrate. He hit like

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Speaker 1: a thirteen footer and I literally was like, holy hell,

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Speaker 1: I've never even I mean it was just like I

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Speaker 1: was with like four guys who were like, have you

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Speaker 1: ever seen him do that before? Like he's not even

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Speaker 1: a threat. And I think if you want to get

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Speaker 1: through Jokich and Anthony Davis and it's like you got

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Speaker 1: to be a threat. He can't have all your scoring

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