1 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:16,200 Speaker 1: Let me tell you a little something about Afghan music. 2 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: Back in the day. It was mainly classical and folk tunes, 3 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: influenced by traditional music from places like India and Persia. 4 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 1: It was poetic and romantic. You know what you need 5 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 1: to hear it? Can I get some percussion? I'm thinking tabla. 6 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 1: Now give me a little down, down, down, down on 7 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: the rhubarb. Yeah, that's it. Now layer in some harmonium. Ooh, 8 00:00:55,560 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: that's sweet. So music sounded like that for a while, 9 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 1: but then this guy came along and he started mixing 10 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:14,320 Speaker 1: it up. His name was Akhmad Sayer and he came 11 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: from a prestigious Afghan family, the son of a prime minister. 12 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: So music that wasn't supposed to be his career path 13 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: shoved off, but Akhmad Zahir didn't care. He rocked a 14 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: pompadour and sideburns. He traveled the world seeking out musicians. 15 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: He met saxophonists and trumpeters. He learned to play accordion. 16 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: He listened to rock and jazz and flamenco, and he 17 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: started to write songs that were like mad mashups of 18 00:01:48,440 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: different genres. 19 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 2: Indian raga and Western pop, folk and rock, jazz and poetry. 20 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 1: He sang in Dari and Pashto and Russian and Urdu 21 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 1: and even English, and the more people heard Akmanzayre's music, 22 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: the more they fell in love. Women with Jane Fonda hairstyles, 23 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: dangly earrings and mini skirts would shimmy and twist, and 24 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: he sold out concerts. People would line up outside record 25 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: stores to hear his latest release. Kabul in the seventies 26 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: was Akman Zahir's city, and he became known as something else. 27 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: The sideburns, the leather jacket he transformed into the Afghan elvis. 28 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: And then in nineteen seventy nine, on his thirty third birthday, 29 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: Zahir died. He got into a car crash. Mini and 30 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: Afghanistan think he was murdered, murdered by the newly installed 31 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: Soviet backed government who did not appreciate his songs about freedom, 32 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: his vision of the future. And on this tragic night, 33 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: instead of fans flooding the street to celebrate their idol's birthday, 34 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: they marched through the city carrying his body. But Afghans 35 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: never stopped listening. Even years later under the Taliban, when 36 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: music it had been outlawed by the religious police, people 37 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: would gather together in secret rooms and dance to Akhmad 38 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: Zahir's music, Dance with their shirts sticking to their bodies, 39 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: Dance as if the only thing that mattered at that 40 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: moment was dancing. And although Akhmed Zahir would never know it, 41 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 1: he became a beacon, an inspiration to a new generation 42 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 1: of Afghans, a spark that lived inside them that could 43 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: not be extinguished, however hard the Taliban try. I'm John Legend, 44 00:04:55,760 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: I'm from Kaleidoscope, and iHeart podcasts. This is Afghan Stock. 45 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:22,799 Speaker 1: Previously Daoud Sidiki is hired to produce a show unlike 46 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 1: any Afghanistan has ever seen. It's a nationwide singing competition 47 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: for Afghans. 48 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 3: I'm so thirsty and so angry and so exhausted that 49 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 3: I can't think about anything. 50 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 1: He works day and night to get the show on air, 51 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: convincing judges to take part and traveling all around the 52 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 1: country to audition singers Zindigiicasafer, But he has no idea 53 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: if the public is ready for something like this, if 54 00:05:56,000 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: they'll be outraged or excited. Because it was just a 55 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 1: few years ago, making a show like Afghan Star could 56 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: get you killed. Chapter one Cinema Paradiso. 57 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 4: Un. 58 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 1: Daoud Sidiki, the man who is the host and producer 59 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 1: of Afghan Star, sits alone in his home office in America. 60 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: He often pulls an Akhma Zahir cassette and slots it 61 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: into the player on his desk models for hours, he 62 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 1: just sits and listens and thinks of his old life 63 00:06:58,440 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: in Kabble. 64 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 4: By card. 65 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 5: Zitch And. 66 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: As a kid, Daoud was obsessed with music and movies. 67 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: He would spend all day either listening to tapes or 68 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: glued to the screen. 69 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 3: The vcor was kind of a magical box fermit. 70 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: Daoud tore through every record and VHS tape in his 71 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: family's collection multiple times. But when he wasn't watching or 72 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: rewatching videos, you could find him at the local cinema. 73 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: He remembers the short walk from his house, the bustling shops, 74 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: the neighbors who would wave or get give him a 75 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: little pat on the back, and he remembers the cinema itself, 76 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: big windows, heavy curtains, and ice cream shop next door. 77 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: It's his favorite place in the world. With his feet 78 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: barely touching the floor, this is where Daoud would see 79 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: his first Bollywood movie, Captivated for three straight hours by 80 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: the colorful saris and plot twists and perfectly choreographed dance numbers, 81 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: and in years that followed, each time he emerged from 82 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: that little cinema, he'd been. 83 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 3: I grew up watching lots of Bollywood movies and I 84 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 3: loved him. I love Amitabachan movies. I love like Metan 85 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:02,199 Speaker 3: Chickut renting movies big stars, and we will talk about 86 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 3: it for the entire week, maybe monson, we will buy 87 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 3: the music and go and buy the posters and find 88 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 3: the clothes and style. And still sometimes I believe like 89 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 3: I kind of imagine myself as a Bollywood actor, or 90 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 3: I hear it in a movie. 91 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: So that's Daoud's cobo. It's Bollywood have sensed. But it 92 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: isn't just Hindi music that fills his memories. To hear 93 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 1: Daoud tell it, afternoons were scored by harmoniums wafting from 94 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: the playground, kids played drums in the streets. Open shop 95 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 1: windows piped the sounds of the Afghan elvis to the 96 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: delight of passers by. But it isn't long before those 97 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: magical sounds that Daoud loves so much are replaced. 98 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 3: When the bullets camped. It has a very interesting sounding 99 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 3: zip zip zip zip. 100 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: By the time Daoud is in his early teens, he's 101 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:25,439 Speaker 1: grown accustomed to falling asleep to the sound of bullets 102 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: being sprayed into the night, the sounds of civil war. 103 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 3: The war was a kind of a jungle low war. 104 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: In the nineties, war had broken out between groups of 105 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: rebel fighters called the Mujahideen. 106 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,679 Speaker 3: These are the mujah Hadeen, the fighters of the Jihad, 107 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 3: the Muslim Holy War. 108 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 6: They are men of faith of Islam. 109 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: The Mujahadeen was made up of regular people who rose 110 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 1: up to defend their country against a Soviet invasion. 111 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:03,439 Speaker 3: Of Soviet bloodshed and battle into five minutes ahead of 112 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 3: schedule as the Soviet army completed its retreat. 113 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 1: But then the Mujahideen fighters turned on each other. 114 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 3: Early this morning, the airport was shelved. 115 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 1: Throughout the day, heavy artillery thundered in the hills around Kabo, 116 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: and the streets descended into a battlefield. 117 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 3: Kobl was not a safe place to live. You will 118 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 3: be killed very easily. Just someone will come and should you. 119 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: Some shops have reopened today, however, most people are staying 120 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 1: off the streets, saying it's still too dangerous to leave home. 121 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 3: Even that is risky. 122 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,479 Speaker 5: Many rockets are landing in residential neighborhoods. 123 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: Families across Kable were terrified. They couldn't lead their homes 124 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 1: for fear of getting caught in the crossfire. So anyone 125 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 1: with means moved to a different part of the city, 126 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: trying to outrun the fighting. But as Daoud's family quickly discovered, 127 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: the war was always right behind them them. 128 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 3: No one is talking. There's no conversation that house. Even 129 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 3: the kids were quite. Everyone was quite. This quietness was 130 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 3: kind of a hardest time of my life. 131 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: The days are long, no one really talks. Plus there's 132 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: nothing more to talk about. A silence fills the house. 133 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: Thou doesn't have much to keep him occupied, so most 134 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 1: days he sits by a small window in the attic alone. 135 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: From the right angle, he can just about see into 136 00:12:54,200 --> 00:13:00,079 Speaker 1: his favorite cinema, the chairs, the curtains. It feels so 137 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: close he could just about touch it. 138 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 3: I was watching the sward from the small window. That 139 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 3: rocket came from the mountain. I can see this rocket 140 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 3: with like a fire behind it. He came and hit 141 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 3: the cinema. 142 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: Daoud leaps forward to get a better look. His forehead 143 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: pressed hard against the window, his breath fogging up the. 144 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 3: Glass, and I saw the inside the window. There fire started. 145 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 3: Maybe if it gets the curtains, it will destroy the 146 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 3: entire cinema. Sits paralyzed, and I'm watching, just watching my 147 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 3: memories the city. The seat that I grew up. The 148 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 3: cinema was kind of an image that I can't forget 149 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 3: that I always in my heart. Leg It was kind 150 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 3: of symbol of art, music, cinema. Just it was so 151 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 3: painful to see my past life was destroyed in front 152 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 3: of my eyes. 153 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: Chapter two, Angels of Peace. It's nineteen ninety six and 154 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: Cabo has suffered years of civil war. To Doude, everything 155 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: feels lost. His home has been destroyed by rockets, his 156 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: town reduced to rubble. And that's when a group of 157 00:14:55,920 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 1: people come barreling down the dusty streets. 158 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 3: People called Toliban Angels of Peace. 159 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: Taliban means students in Pashta, and its members are quite 160 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: literally students from traditional religious. 161 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 6: Schools, Muslim seminarists trained in the madrasas the Kuranic Institute 162 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 6: of Western Pakistan. 163 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: Formed in Kandahar. The Taliban resisted the Mujahideen and took control. 164 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 6: After sweeping across the country. The Taliban now controlled three 165 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 6: quarters of Afghanistan and have long claimed to be the 166 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 6: only force to bring stability to a country to rent 167 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 6: asunder by factional fighting. 168 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: And now here they are wearing white and wielding white flags. 169 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: Come to save Kabu. 170 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 5: Taliban militia moved into the city shortly after one o'clock 171 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 5: this morning. They just swept into the city. Most government 172 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 5: soldiers and commanders led to the north. 173 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 3: People were so happy. Oh my god, Western forgot I've 174 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 3: one son. 175 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: The Taliban promised to restore peace and law and to 176 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: rid the city of corruption and crime. 177 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 4: So people are incredibly tired and they want and into 178 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 4: the fighting. I've talked to dozens of people so far 179 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 4: today on the street, and they just keep saying, maybe 180 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 4: this seems is an end to the fighting. 181 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: Like so many people in the region, Daoud is overjoyed. 182 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: He's just finished school and can finally go back to 183 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: being a teenager obsessing over how to style his hair 184 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: and what to study at university, and for a while, 185 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: life actually feels normal. Dawoud's family has food on the table. 186 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: They aren't dodging bullets or cowering in the basement, and 187 00:16:53,080 --> 00:17:06,199 Speaker 1: everyone is obsessed with a new movie called Titanic. There 188 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: are Titanic shaped wedding cakes on sale gum package with 189 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 1: photos of the movie on it, and long lines of 190 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:18,400 Speaker 1: boys wanting a floppy haircut like Leonardo DiCaprio trailing out 191 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 1: of barbershop doors. Everyone loves Leo, but Daoud quickly realizes 192 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: that these angels of peace aren't quite what they see. 193 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 3: What tollibuns bring with them pure religious fanaticism. 194 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: They execute the former president the. 195 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 4: Haltim out of the un compound and to the Presidential Palace, 196 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 4: and he was beaten and there were several bullets booths. 197 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 5: To his lower body. 198 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 1: They bring in their own leader and before long they 199 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 1: remodel the country around their own interpretation of Islam. 200 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 3: They say, you need to have a long here, very 201 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 3: long or very sharp. This is a two wist. 202 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: They don't want any fancy hairstyles, no fades, no perms, 203 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: no pompadoors, and absolutely no Leonardo DiCaprio cuts. 204 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 3: You need to have a long beer, traditional clothes. 205 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 1: They start banning everything fun kite flying, pigeon racing, dancing. 206 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 1: Before long, Daoud's sisters are pulled out of school because 207 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 1: women are no longer allowed access to an education. They 208 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:43,640 Speaker 1: can't even go outside without a male chaperone. And then 209 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 1: Daoud hears the latest band. The Taliban declares. 210 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 3: No TV, no music, no sound. 211 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 1: Daoud feels like all the air has been knocked out 212 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: of him. He realizes this means no more Afghan Elvis, 213 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 1: no more Bollywood movies. The music which once was his 214 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:17,560 Speaker 1: lifeblood has been replaced by the constant drone of Taliban chants, 215 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:24,479 Speaker 1: hymns in praise of the Taliban's leaders and cars. To Daude, 216 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: this band feels heavy, stifling. 217 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 7: Talibhasan Kisu the shy Fuckermani bestudo sada sunny sunny dena sound. 218 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 1: Daoud watches as the Taliban set up checkpoints to stop 219 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: cars and carry out inspections. 220 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 3: They will come and check the dash forth you have 221 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 3: a tip, and if they do, they will beat the 222 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 3: driver or the passenger in the car. 223 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 1: And then they'll confiscate the cassette, unspool the black tape 224 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: and string it up like Christmas lights for all to see. 225 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 3: Music instruments like guitar, tabla, roubaub TVs VCRs, they will 226 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:21,400 Speaker 3: break them and hang them above their checkpoint. 227 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: Anything that produces sound or provides entertainment is gutted and 228 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 1: hung from trees by its internal wiring. 229 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 3: That was kind of a symbol of their achievement. 230 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: Daoude keeps his head down, terrified of bumping into the 231 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 1: Taliban in the street and being assaulted. He spends most 232 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:45,400 Speaker 1: days studying for his medical degree at university and then 233 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: going straight home as fast as he can, until one 234 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 1: day when he sees a crowd in the middle of 235 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: the square. 236 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 3: I was coming from the university and everyone is watching 237 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 3: up happening in the sky. 238 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 1: He weaves his way through, trying to get a peek. 239 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,160 Speaker 1: The people around him are muttering to each other, their 240 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: necks extended, trying to get a better view. 241 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 3: I'm also watching the sky. I tried to find what's 242 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:29,160 Speaker 3: going on. I can't see anything. Then I realized, oh 243 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,640 Speaker 3: my god, people are watching something hanging. 244 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: THOU can't quite figure out what he's looking at. 245 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 3: I just saw a glimpse of it. 246 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 1: He squints a little harder, and then his stomach twists. 247 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 3: Feets and hands are hanging. Catted feets and hands. Maybe 248 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 3: I watched it for five or ten seconds, and then 249 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 3: I left. 250 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: The image of the severed limbs is etched into Daoud's brain. 251 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 1: It's a warning to him of what can happen if 252 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:24,959 Speaker 1: someone tries to break the rules. Fundamentalist groups like the 253 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: Taliban will give a load of reasons why they bring 254 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:32,360 Speaker 1: in bands like these bands on television and blue jeans 255 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:37,119 Speaker 1: and music. I've seen something like it myself. When I 256 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: was a kid, I wasn't allowed to listen to secular 257 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 1: music for a time because it was considered to be 258 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,479 Speaker 1: the devil's music by the Pentecostal church I belong to. 259 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:54,120 Speaker 1: They wanted us to be different, distinct, sanctified. The generous 260 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: interpretation is that they want you to be holy. But really, 261 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:03,640 Speaker 1: I think all of these fundamentalist religious groups recognize how 262 00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: powerful music can be, and it might scare them a little. 263 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 1: It's all about control, controlling the information you get, controlling 264 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 1: how you express yourself, because they don't want to lose 265 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: you to the world. In Kabbo, Daoud watches as the 266 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: Taliban set up checkpoints to stop cars and carry out inspections. 267 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:41,479 Speaker 1: When Daoud gets home, he sees his neighbors getting ahead 268 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: of any suspicion, showing that they are following the Taliban. 269 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 3: Code, they destroyed and burned their own media stuff in 270 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:51,919 Speaker 3: front of the people. 271 00:23:53,800 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: The fire crackles as it devours cassette tapes and violins, 272 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: watches as everything melts, the smell stinging in his nostrils. 273 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 4: Liked. 274 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 3: They just get rid of them. We cannot take this risk, 275 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 3: And some families put them under the ground, or some 276 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,439 Speaker 3: there that no one can find them. 277 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 1: The ground becomes a graveyard of Afghan culture. Everything that 278 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: Daoud loves most is buried six feet under radios, TVs, vhs, tapes, cassettes, 279 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:38,640 Speaker 1: all covered in dirt and purged from their owner's minds. 280 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 1: But Daoud, he isn't interested in bearing his identity. He's 281 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: got a plan. Hey, it's John Legend. If you've been listening, 282 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: you already know that Afghan Star is a tale of 283 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 1: resistance and hope. 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For more information on our 300 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: collaboration with AWA, the artworks available to listeners, and to 301 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 1: learn more about the Nore Initiative's efforts to educate, support 302 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: independent media, and transform lives across the region, head to 303 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 1: the link in our show notes below. Chapter three the 304 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:47,160 Speaker 1: Rebels Handbook, How to Get Away with Music and Movies 305 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: Under the Taliban. It's a cultural wasteland out here. If 306 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: you miss flying kites and blasting music until three am, 307 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: like da who does? This is how you do it 308 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: without being killed or tortured. One get a group of 309 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 1: friends together. Friends you can trust, rebels who want to 310 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 1: party and find a secret clubhouse. 311 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 3: We have this area in Kabul called Mcruraean. There are 312 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 3: apartment buildings six floor, seventh floor, eighth floor. 313 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 1: A lot of these apartments are empty since residents fled 314 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 1: the country to escape the Mujaiden, So it's a good 315 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 1: spot for a clubhouse. Plus, the apartments are so high 316 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 1: up that you can blast music without fear of getting caught. 317 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 3: I listened to live music a lot. I partied a lot. 318 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,919 Speaker 3: We went to this building and we were have live music. 319 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,919 Speaker 3: We have preparing a food for us. That was party. 320 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 3: How if I tell you that I listened to more 321 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,160 Speaker 3: live music during the Taller One than my entire life, 322 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 3: you will laugh. 323 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 1: Step two, make friends with a smuggler. If you love movies, 324 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 1: you're gonna need a guy on the inside. You can't 325 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 1: just go out and buy VHS tapes from the store. 326 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 3: People were bringing it from Boston, mostly moving a VC 327 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 3: or moving a TV. It was kind of like you 328 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 3: moving a truck full of drugs in the United States. 329 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 3: That's how hard it was. 330 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: Dawood's friends put him onto a smuggler. They tell him. 331 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 3: Here's a house you need to go to the evening times. 332 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 3: Knock the door. Special v you have had like secret 333 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:36,880 Speaker 3: word password correct. 334 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 1: Go into the smuggler's house and shut the door behind you. 335 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: He'll give you the movie. 336 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 3: You put the cassette behind your belt, put the shirt 337 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 3: about it, give the guy the money. 338 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: You might think that's the hardest part of the whole thing. 339 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: Well you'd be wrong. What comes next is the hard part. 340 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: You need to get home without being caught by the Taliban. 341 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 3: These VCR tapes were so big, and when you walk, 342 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 3: it has some purses, makes noise. 343 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: Tighten your belt around the tape. You don't want it 344 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 1: to slip out. It's going to make a sound every 345 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: time you take a step. Walk fast, but not too fast. 346 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 1: You don't want to look like you're in a hurry 347 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 1: to get somewhere. If a member of the Taliban spots 348 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 1: you run step three infiltrate the smuggler network. Daoud is 349 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: an electronics guy, and the Resistance needs more of them. 350 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 1: Daud has been fixing stuff since he was in high school, 351 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: and since the Taliban have been destroying TV antennas and 352 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: VCRs always break. Having a guy like him around is 353 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: pretty handy. The smuggler hooks Daoud up with his customers, 354 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: and just like that, he's got a thriving business. 355 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 3: We have our own style of doing business, like how 356 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 3: what times you should come, how you should come. 357 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 1: You need to give your clients a cover story just 358 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 1: in case they're questioned by the Taliban. 359 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 3: You should just know my name of my father, my brother, 360 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 3: and if someone comes, you should say this, yea is 361 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 3: my relative. I'm coming to my reltive house. It's not 362 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 3: a big deal or something like. This was the situation, 363 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 3: like it was so scary, honestly. 364 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 1: Step four, Stay cool. Things are gonna get hairy. Like 365 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 1: one day you might be in your repair then surrounded 366 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: by BCRs and broken cassettes and you hear a pounding 367 00:30:47,960 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: at the door. Don't panic, Oh. 368 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 3: My god, there's no time for me to clean up 369 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 3: this mess. It's no time, just impossible. When this happened, 370 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 3: I went to a shock. I don't know what to 371 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 3: do and what happened to me? Now I imagine O come 372 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 3: and take me, destroy everything but me and the jail 373 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 3: kill me. What happened? I'm thinking about this second time. 374 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 3: The door is kind of like crazy knocking. I'm lost. 375 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 3: I am here. I accepted the consequence of my work 376 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 3: and said, I can't move even I can move, run put, 377 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 3: go to the neighbor house, something, do something, run at least, 378 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 3: but I can't do it. 379 00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 1: So that would sit ready to accept this. Paid the handcuffs, 380 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: the lashes, all of it. But when the door opens, 381 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 1: he hears giggling. It's not the Taliban, it's his kid nephews. 382 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 3: You're so eager to come to our house. Both of 383 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 3: them with hand them and foot. They are knocking out 384 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 3: our door. Oh my god. When my haird this sack, 385 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,120 Speaker 3: I became with my own switch, and I said for 386 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 3: thirty minutes without. 387 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 1: Moving like I said, don't panic. Chapter four Freedom. It's 388 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 1: November two thousand and one, six am. The food is 389 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 1: startled by the commotion outside. It's music. Someone is playing 390 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 1: music in the street. No one has played music in 391 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 1: the streets for five years. Daoud rips the covers off, 392 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 1: gets dressed, and practically tumbles down the stairs to see 393 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 1: where the noise is coming from. 394 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 3: They had this big giant cars with the big speakers, 395 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 3: high quality speakers. 396 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 1: People are hanging out of their car windows blasting tunes 397 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 1: while they drive through the city music daoud used to 398 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 1: listen to in secret alone. 399 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,959 Speaker 3: Lots of people on the street. People are celebrating your 400 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 3: music are loud. Some people are shaving their beards, They're 401 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 3: making their rear styles. 402 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: Daoude feels disoriented. It's like he's woken up in a 403 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,719 Speaker 1: different country. What on earth is going on? Where are 404 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 1: the Taliban? 405 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 3: I see some people with jeans. Most of the restaurants 406 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 3: and story are playing loud music. 407 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,479 Speaker 1: He walks around in a daze. Speakers are hooked up 408 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:10,279 Speaker 1: in the streets competing for attention. Radio sit proudly on 409 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:11,240 Speaker 1: window ledges. 410 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:17,400 Speaker 3: I was enjoying going outside, cobble and see the city 411 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:22,319 Speaker 3: that was coming back to life. 412 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:27,360 Speaker 1: And that's when he figures out what's happening. They're gone, 413 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:33,359 Speaker 1: the Taliban are gone. And only if I'm gon sing 414 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:37,799 Speaker 1: in the city last night, last night, this is God 415 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:47,279 Speaker 1: no problems. And if the Taliban are really gone, if 416 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 1: they've really fled like everyone says, then it's finally safe 417 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 1: to do the thing he's been waiting to do. 418 00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 3: I tried to shave my there, but I didn't know 419 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 3: how to do it. 420 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 1: He runs straight home and grabs a razor. Daoud was 421 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 1: only a kid when the Taliban came to power with 422 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 1: barely a few whiskers on his chin, and ever since 423 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:15,880 Speaker 1: he's been forced to grow out his beard. But now 424 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,400 Speaker 1: he can finally shave it off. The only problem is 425 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,439 Speaker 1: he's never learned how to work a razor. I mean, 426 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 1: dud could line up at the local barbershop, but he 427 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,799 Speaker 1: doesn't have the patience for that. So he stands in 428 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 1: front of the mirror, razor in hand and starts running 429 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:32,760 Speaker 1: it all over his face. 430 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 3: And I like, cut it my face so many visa 431 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,759 Speaker 3: when I went outside, my friends were laughing at me. 432 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 3: What you did to your face? Oh my god, why 433 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 3: you're not going to a barber shop or sambia or 434 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 3: what you did to your face? You just almost killed yourself. 435 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 1: But Doud doesn't care. He just wants to walk around 436 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 1: and drink in the sounds of freedom. The chatter in 437 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 1: the barbershop lives, the laughter and squeals as friends reunite 438 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:16,560 Speaker 1: in the street, the shouts of parents as their kids 439 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 1: run off into the playground to play again. Daoud is 440 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 1: reveling in it all, a huge smile plastered across his face. 441 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 1: He closes his eyes and lets the music lead him 442 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:34,360 Speaker 1: down the street. 443 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 3: People are running toward freedom. 444 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:50,360 Speaker 1: In the absence of the Taliban, music seeps through. Before 445 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 1: long there will be concerts and radio shows. And yes, 446 00:36:55,320 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 1: Afghan Star Kabbo is on the cusp of a culture 447 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:05,520 Speaker 1: revolution and Daou doesn't know it yet, but he'll be 448 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:09,920 Speaker 1: the face of that revolution. He'll change the country. 449 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,759 Speaker 3: Yesterday I was driving in the streets and no one 450 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 3: noticed me. But today everyone is talking about my show 451 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,759 Speaker 3: and me, and they even recognized me. 452 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:25,280 Speaker 1: But he'll also put the lives of everyone he knows 453 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:30,120 Speaker 1: at risk. The bomb was placed in a taxi which 454 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 1: then crashed into the minibus. Definitely this bomb, that's next 455 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:55,040 Speaker 1: time on Afghan Star. 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