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Speaker 5: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here

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Speaker 5: at ji Lets Stadium, and we got a lot to

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Speaker 5: talk about a lot of it's good. Yeah, but it's Evan,

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Speaker 5: it's Paul, it's me, it's Deuce, it's Matt and the

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Speaker 5: booth and we are talking Patriots for the next two hours.

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Speaker 5: We're gonna get into it, starting with the game started. Okay,

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Speaker 5: ten nothing, What.

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Speaker 6: Might be the best start of a game? Yeah, that

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Speaker 6: they've had in at least at least in two seats.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I was thinking to myself, oh, this is

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Speaker 5: another London game, you know, seven thirty.

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Speaker 6: Five seven, you know, I didn't even think of that.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, but it's like Pittsburgh last year. Didn't they

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Speaker 6: go right down the field and scored against Pittsburgh last

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Speaker 6: year and that Thursday night.

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Speaker 7: Game, like but it just collapsed And I have a confession, Freddy, Yeah,

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Speaker 7: I was this close. Not I was one defense held

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Speaker 7: off though I was one defensive stop away from the NOD.

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Speaker 7: I looked at Mike and I said, if they stop

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Speaker 7: them again here, I think this game is old.

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Speaker 8: They didn't stop stopped.

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Speaker 5: We're going to get into a bit. I'm I'm probably

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Speaker 5: more concerned about I'm concerned about the play in the fields,

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Speaker 5: particularly from the defense, but I'm probably more concerned about

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Speaker 5: what's going on off the field than I am what's

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Speaker 5: going on on the field.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, fair point, you know, but we'll.

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Speaker 5: We'll get into it all opening thoughts, anyone, those are mine.

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Speaker 6: I always like to defer to Evan because Mike and

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Speaker 6: I do a two hour postgame show, which, by the way,

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Speaker 6: did unbelievable ratings.

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Speaker 9: I want to know why.

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Speaker 6: I'm told, you know, minus the interim host the pre

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: No, actually, Matt was in all seriousness. I poke fund

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Speaker 6: at no socks all the time. He was tremendous on

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Speaker 6: the pregame show, giving us a little flavor of London.

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Speaker 6: Yeah and all that.

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Speaker 5: So I think those kind of especially the postgame show,

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Speaker 5: elicits that kind of game. Elicits a visceral response and

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Speaker 5: people want that outlet.

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Speaker 8: It was the highest. It was the highest since Mac

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: In that game, which was another one, Yeah, felt like

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Speaker 8: they wanted to come in with haste.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. I got a score of three point eight. Oh, Mike,

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Speaker 6: this is out of twenty two. That was the scale.

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Speaker 6: So Mike and I talked for two hours. We always

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Speaker 6: like to let Evan go first on Tuesdays.

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Speaker 9: I appreciate that.

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Speaker 9: I would just say first thought was, I was writing

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Speaker 9: football team plays like. I'm not saying that the players

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Speaker 9: themselves are soft.

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Speaker 5: They played soft, but they played soft.

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Speaker 9: You can't run the ball, you can't stop the run,

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Speaker 9: you can't cover kicks, like those are the three boxes.

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Speaker 9: And this is not a Girodmeo thing. This is actually

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Speaker 9: a Bill Belichick thing. Like this is a football tenant

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Speaker 9: cliche type of thing that if you can't do those

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Speaker 9: gonna get blown out. And that's exactly what happened on

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Speaker 9: Sunday if you ask me, you know, they really did

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Speaker 9: And that's exactly what happens.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, the baseline of a functional football team is are

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Speaker 8: Point about the passing attack is true, because that's what

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Speaker 8: you need to be great. But if you can't run

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Speaker 8: not really about winning games. That's just about the difference

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Speaker 6: It's like the equivalent of the Belichick cliche. But you know,

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Speaker 6: we can't even get the quarterback to center exchange if

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Speaker 6: you can't just like be adequate stopping the run. No

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Speaker 6: one suggesting you have to, you know, like the Ravens

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Speaker 6: I think came into the game last night at allowing

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and Bentley was the stalwart in stopping the run,

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Speaker 6: You should be able to just scheme it up and

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean their linebacker play is tough to watch.

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Speaker 9: Jelani Tavai, because I think Jelinaevia is a good football player,

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Speaker 5: And you know, I would imagine offensive Cordnator coordinators are

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Speaker 5: And these coordinators are smart, you know, and they see

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Speaker 8: And it felt like they've been one step ahead the

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Speaker 8: there's nothing. What you see is what you get from

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it started. I agree with defense because they just

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Speaker 6: And I agree Mike and I talked a lot about

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Speaker 6: the script ev if I don't know, you know when

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Speaker 6: I mean, they had a good game plan in this game.

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Speaker 6: They I thought they had a good mix intermediate short stuff.

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Speaker 6: The touchdown to Hasty was you know, I think great

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Speaker 6: May was on it, got it out quick, Hasty does

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Speaker 6: pressure and out, pressure builds and I think a five

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Speaker 6: and that it's a long time to have no offense,

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Speaker 5: Jackson You had some stats about Jacksonville leading up to

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, like this is I mean yeah, this is

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Speaker 6: they were allowing thirty five a game per game, per game,

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Speaker 6: And I actually don't have a huge problem with the offense,

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Speaker 6: Like I know, I don't because I look at them.

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Speaker 6: They're so limited with what they can do. They have

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Speaker 5: They might have done a little better if they had

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Speaker 6: And and maybe maybe a semblance of blocking a running game.

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Speaker 6: And like everybody's all over Alex van Pell for running

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Speaker 5: And you know, there's so much there's so many different

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Speaker 5: avenues we can go down here. But sticking on the

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Speaker 5: offense for a second, what's going on with this receiver room?

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Speaker 5: And I'm not talking about on the field what you're

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Speaker 6: That's unfair Bill, Bill's hurt.

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Speaker 8: That's a lot there. I mean, I look, I gotta

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Speaker 6: He has an agenda against specific like the ones that

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Speaker 6: What did Atlanta do? Oh? They hired someone else, not him.

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Speaker 6: He's the epitome of a walking and talking contradiction. What's

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Speaker 6: If can you imagine if a coach for somebody that

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Speaker 6: We don't talk about those things, Fred, We have too

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Speaker 6: much respect, We have too much respect for the coaching profession.

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Speaker 6: He's a fraud, he's self serving, he's a fraud. He's

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Speaker 5: You know, sometimes to be great, you gotta be a

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Speaker 8: The will after that, I'm glad you jumped in on

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Speaker 9: He does comment a little.

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Speaker 8: Those parts of it too, but you know, to Bill

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Speaker 6: You know what Bill once said in Cleveland about his

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Speaker 5: The Yearsly, you don't think he learned from that experience

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Speaker 5: It didn't have to be like this, and now it's

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Speaker 8: And it's probably gonna be. I mean, nothing's gonna restrain

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Speaker 5: If if none of this happened and Bill got another job,

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Speaker 6: of the common denominators that I ranted about all the

435
00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:04,840
Speaker 6: time when people were talking about how good the defense

436
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,879
Speaker 6: was last year that no one ever talked about. You

437
00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,720
Speaker 6: think it's easier to stop the run when Saquon Barkley

438
00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:12,800
Speaker 6: is the only thing the Giants have on offense that

439
00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,040
Speaker 6: day because they're not going to let Tommy DeVito throw

440
00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:18,760
Speaker 6: the ball all over the yard. And they had that

441
00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 6: scenario about seven times last year where the other team

442
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,160
Speaker 6: was basically like Miami was two weeks ago. And again

443
00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,119
Speaker 6: I'm not defending girod Mao's team. They couldn't stop the

444
00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,399
Speaker 6: team with a backup quarterback they could ran for one

445
00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,359
Speaker 6: hundred and ninety three yards with a backup quarterback. Right,

446
00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:39,840
Speaker 6: But let's you know, let's stop the enshrinement of myself

447
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,159
Speaker 6: and let's call it all out. Let's put all of

448
00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,440
Speaker 6: the facts on the table. Yes, you were able to

449
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,520
Speaker 6: stop the run when Tommy DeVito was at the helm,

450
00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,520
Speaker 6: or when it was a driving rainstorm against the Chargers

451
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:55,119
Speaker 6: here in the offenses couldn't do anything, or the last

452
00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,280
Speaker 6: game of the season in a snowstorm. Yeah, you didn't

453
00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:58,960
Speaker 6: allow any running yards. That was a hunt.

454
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Speaker 8: They gave about one hundred and eighty one. That was

455
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:02,480
Speaker 8: the only one that no, I know, I know, but

456
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,480
Speaker 8: that was like the cherry on top of that whole thing,

457
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,160
Speaker 8: Like the last game of the year.

458
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,159
Speaker 6: If you can't do it, if you can't stop the

459
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,640
Speaker 6: run in the scenarios that the Patriots faced, I would

460
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,440
Speaker 6: say eleven out of seventeen games last year, then you

461
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:14,240
Speaker 6: really stink.

462
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,360
Speaker 5: And and a lot of this has to do with, oh,

463
00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:18,960
Speaker 5: I was so bad, but they signed all the players

464
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:19,800
Speaker 5: that I brought in.

465
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, maybe they shouldn't have, but I've argued

466
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 6: against that.

467
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:30,919
Speaker 5: Yeah. So yeah, we're like Patriot's Nation is in trouble

468
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,680
Speaker 5: right now. I mean we're hurting. I get it.

469
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 6: People are taking shots as people aligning.

470
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,400
Speaker 5: As opposed to what your guy says from from two

471
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 5: to six, Winning does matter to Patriots fans, even in

472
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,639
Speaker 5: a rebuilding year. It does matter. How we perform on

473
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 5: the field does matter.

474
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Speaker 6: Are you saying that it's more beneficial or more enjoyable

475
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 6: to win the game than lose it.

476
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 5: I think so, Paul. I think I'm saying that. Okay, Yeah,

477
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 5: I think I'm saying that.

478
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's that's interesting.

479
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, Fred, I want to go back to something you

480
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 8: said in your earlier in your rant of just the

481
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 8: passive aggressive shots. Salvo's going back and forth between players

482
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,920
Speaker 8: in the media, and you mentioned born. We had Godshaw

483
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 8: a couple of weeks ago. We got a quality Now.

484
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 8: These are things that are very disconcerting to me because

485
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 8: it feels this.

486
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,200
Speaker 6: I would didn't happen a lot with Bill.

487
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 5: Yes, absolutely, like.

488
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 6: The criticisms like this didn't happen when bell Wich, That

489
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 6: to me is is accurate.

490
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 5: But Bill, but and but here's something And yes, Bill

491
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 5: set the culture, but his number one evangelist, his number

492
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:42,360
Speaker 5: one soldier that sold that culture, that reinforced was Tom Brady.

493
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,919
Speaker 5: You didn't want to let Tom Brady down. He was

494
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,199
Speaker 5: a team player, So we need to be a team player.

495
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,439
Speaker 5: And I, you know, I go back to what Dante

496
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 5: Scarnecki has said. I forget who asked him. Maybe it

497
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 5: might have been. I don't know who it was. I'd

498
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,639
Speaker 5: have been at as an induction ceremony. When did you

499
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,679
Speaker 5: know that you had a good team back in the

500
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 5: early two thousands, said when we became a self policing

501
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:10,159
Speaker 5: locker room. You know. And that means that that what

502
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,440
Speaker 5: story about, and that means that the head coach doesn't

503
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 5: necessarily have to be that enforcer all the time because

504
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 5: he's got the soldiers that do that do it for him.

505
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 5: Bill Parks and by the way, Belichick learned that from

506
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 5: Bill Parcells. Bill Parcells said, you have to have it.

507
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 6: All come to my way of thinking.

508
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,919
Speaker 5: Bill Parcells said, you have to have your circle the

509
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 5: wagon guys when times are tough, when these are the guys,

510
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 5: whether they're Pepper Johnson or whoever, that are going to

511
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:43,640
Speaker 5: enforce my rules.

512
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 6: And while not trying to like just completely be over

513
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 6: the top and defensive of Mayo and what's going on

514
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 6: what's going on, especially the stuff that you're talking about

515
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 6: off field, is unacceptable, But can we at least offer

516
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 6: the facts. Some of those circle the wagon guy, you know,

517
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,360
Speaker 6: the guys that Girod wants to have circling the wagons,

518
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 6: are all the guys.

519
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 9: That got hurt, like Bentley the captain.

520
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,679
Speaker 6: You know, those are the captains you know, And for

521
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:13,400
Speaker 6: a different reason, Pepper's like, those are the guys that

522
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 6: you know, we're taking on water. We need help. Who's

523
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 6: gonna Who's gonna help us? Who's gonna step out right now?

524
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 6: The guys that are all playing prominent rule? Like why

525
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 6: why are these young guys talking so much? Because there's

526
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 6: no one There's no one there, right, there's no one

527
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 6: there to police it. And I do think it's I'm

528
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 6: not telling you that that's why everything is happening. That's

529
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 6: why it's gotten. Don't confuse me saying that one and

530
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 6: six because of injuries. I think that some of the

531
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 6: maturity problems in the locker room are due to the

532
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 6: captains being injured. That's not the same thing as I

533
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 6: think you'd be one in six regardless.

534
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:45,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, but.

535
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 6: Some of the things that are happening off field I

536
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 6: think wouldn't be as bad if if they had the

537
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 6: Circle the Wagon guys. David Andrews, Joan Bentley, Jabrill Peppers,

538
00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 6: those were circled the Wagon guys.

539
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 9: I was listening to to Ty Law. He's on a

540
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 9: podcast recently, and I don't remember which podcast it was,

541
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 9: but no, he was on podcasts and he was talking

542
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:16,159
Speaker 9: about how during Scout Team him and Otis Smith started

543
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 9: running gassers sprints on the side field and back in

544
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 9: two thousand you know whatever, it was two thousand and one,

545
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 9: and a lot of the other defensive players started to

546
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 9: follow suit. But just like a couple of guys. Then

547
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 9: as it proceeded, Brady started running gassers with them. And

548
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:41,880
Speaker 9: then all of a sudden, forty other dudes are running gassers,

549
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 9: get goose pumps, and.

550
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 6: I feel like this should be music playing in the background.

551
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,479
Speaker 9: I don't want to put it on a twenty two

552
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 9: year old. It's not fair. It's not fair to put

553
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 9: it on him.

554
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 5: No, he's not ready for that.

555
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 9: I think, but he's going to have to eventually.

556
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 6: This is a great point though, Like back to like

557
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 6: the circle of the Wagon guys, add into that, you

558
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 6: brought in a veteran quarterback that you wanted to be

559
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 6: a leader, which I think he did a really good

560
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 6: job of. You can't do that as the backup quarterback.

561
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 6: And then to Evan's point, the twenty two year old

562
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 6: can't do it. He's not ready. He's I think I

563
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 6: think he wants to do it. I heard him with

564
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,880
Speaker 6: Andy yesterday on we I here locally. You know, Andy

565
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 6: asked him some questions about I think that's something that's

566
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 6: very very much front of mind for Drake May. But

567
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 6: he's not ready for this.

568
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 5: Not ready.

569
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,479
Speaker 6: You can't have the young quarterback getting ready to make

570
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 6: his third career start. Isn't in a position to fix this.

571
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 5: And by the way, whether it was Bill Parcell's teams

572
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 5: or Bill Belichick's teams, crap happened off the field, God

573
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 5: trust me, but it was handled off the field. It

574
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 5: was handled.

575
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 6: Do you remember the fight that McGuinness and molloy were

576
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 6: involved in, Sure.

577
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 2: Who is the receiver Brisbee.

578
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 6: Someone that foret it was at the timeline. I think

579
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 6: they like hit each other with a poolchu. They was

580
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 6: like all kinds of static. Hell yeah, early on in

581
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 6: the Belichick era they worked through it. Yeah, and these

582
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 6: were like leaders.

583
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 5: Leaders took control and they handled it internally. You know,

584
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 5: you've got fifty three alphas. Things are gonna happen. Things

585
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 5: are gonna happen. It's just it's just inevitable on every team.

586
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 5: It's how you deal with it that makes the difference.

587
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 9: I I understand what you guys are saying that he's

588
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 9: not ready for it at twenty two and as a rookie,

589
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 9: but just based off of the performance on the film,

590
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 9: he's their best player. Well and so, and he's the quarterback.

591
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 5: It's true. So let's draw the comparison to Brady, not

592
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 5: in terms of ability, but why did Brady earn the

593
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 5: respect of the players? It was in how he handled himself.

594
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:01,720
Speaker 5: The maniacal you know, preparation and like on the field

595
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 5: during practice is when he earned their trust. And then

596
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 5: he earned the right to start telling other people what to.

597
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 6: Do and why because he was good, Because he won

598
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 6: because he was.

599
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, he won right away when he started.

600
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 6: Have had all that other stuff. No, you're right, And

601
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 6: if they if every game happened like his second career

602
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 6: start when they got blasted down in Miami, if that

603
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 6: was the first four or five.

604
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 5: Probably right. Yeah, So winning is the ultimate disinfected.

605
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 6: He went, he went whatever it was was, it was

606
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 6: it thirteen and two, you know, as a what I

607
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 6: forget the numbers. Yeah, and there were two when he

608
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 6: took over, right, eleven three wins, fourteen and whatever. Yeah,

609
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 6: mathis hard. Fourteen and three and.

610
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 5: That I think, and that was as a starter. That's

611
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 5: the most discouraging thing about the loss on Sunday is

612
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 5: you know, they started out so quickly, ten ten nothing,

613
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 5: and you're thinking, Okay, this kid's going to get a

614
00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 5: win under his belt, and he's going to get it

615
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 5: because he played well and they scored some points and

616
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 5: that's gonna help him. And the instead they collapsed.

617
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 6: That's where you thought it was going right.

618
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 8: Absolutely, he just looked so comfortable. To me, that was

619
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 8: what was so remarkable, Like just that kind of jump

620
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 8: in week two used to him, you know, just having

621
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 8: those plays and I think there still were ones where

622
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 8: you know, it felt like you drift a little bit

623
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 8: into pressure all that kind of like you know, the

624
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 8: sprays occasionally, but there was just a level of calmness

625
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 8: to him that like it just seemed to kind of

626
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 8: really grow in him into that second game, and that

627
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 8: to me was regardless of the ten point result and

628
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 8: the plays. It was just his kind of demeanor out there.

629
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 8: It's just like this kid's really kind of growing into

630
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 8: the spot. That to me was what was mostly.

631
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 6: Someone asked us in the pregame, you know, what are

632
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 6: you looking to see in his second start? And all

633
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 6: the only things that I cared about it was how

634
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,959
Speaker 6: he looked, like, does he look more settled in the pocket,

635
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 6: especially early in the game, because I thought at times

636
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 6: against Houston, especially early, he looked nervous. He talked about

637
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 6: being nervous, but I thought he looked a little bit

638
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 6: nervous and unsettled and unsure. I didn't see any signs

639
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 6: of any of that in this game. Now again played

640
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 6: against a vastly inferior opponent in this game. But I

641
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 6: don't care. He's making his second career start. I'm only

642
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 6: evaluating him, not all the other stuff. And I thought

643
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 6: he looked better in this game. The performance was roughly

644
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 6: the same. I mean through three quarters that he didn't produce,

645
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 6: they didn't move the ball enough, and then in the

646
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 6: fourth quarter, you know, he gets something going again like

647
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 6: he did against Houston. But I thought this was a

648
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 6: much more settled I agree with Mike. I just thought

649
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 6: he looked he looked in complete control in that first drive,

650
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 6: like they didn't score because they were handing the ball

651
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 6: off or because the other team completely screwed up. They

652
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 6: were just like regular Patriots played regular NFL plays, right

653
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 6: down the field, eleven of them. Yeah, right down the

654
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 6: field eleven.

655
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 5: But it was pretty you know, as the game, you know, progressed,

656
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 5: it was evident that they weren't going to be able

657
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 5: to run the ball, you know, so that hurt, that

658
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 5: hurt in the play calling, and you know, I'm sure

659
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 5: Van Pelt realized that and Mayle realized we just can't

660
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 5: run the ball today, and he just couldn't stay on

661
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 5: the field.

662
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, look, I thought that just watching it

663
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 9: back to me, he played better than he did against Houston,

664
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 9: But it was more so that what's Paul's talking about

665
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 9: that so much of what, so much of what he

666
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 9: is doing is in structure, Like it's within the framework

667
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 9: of the offense. He's making throws on time from the pocket,

668
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 9: and it's not all the playground stuff. It's not all

669
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 9: him running around and just being an athlete and flashing

670
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 9: these you know, off script plays. If that's all it

671
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 9: was was the second thing. Then I wouldn't be as impressed,

672
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 9: but the fact that he's running the offense the way

673
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 9: that he's running it so far, it is like vastly

674
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 9: ahead of where some of the comps that have been

675
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 9: for him, like a Josh Allen or something.

676
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 5: Like that, and two big plays, I mean the past

677
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 5: the booty was right on the button.

678
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 6: Yeah.

679
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 9: Yeah, they have seven explosives through two games. They had

680
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 9: six through five before uh he got in there and

681
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 9: started at quarterbacks. So he's he's been really just showing

682
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 9: a lot of that instructure stuff that you see, you know,

683
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 9: coverage reads, blitz pressures, manipulating defenses with his eyes and

684
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 9: pump fakes and lookoffs and things like that. Like those

685
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 9: are all nuanced things that he's doing at a at

686
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 9: a really high level already out of the gate. I mean,

687
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 9: the one criticism that I would just have him his accuracy,

688
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 9: you know, like every game he you know, both games,

689
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 9: I would say he's got between the two probably ten

690
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 9: to twelve sprays where he's just flat out missing and

691
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 9: open receiver.

692
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 6: And you do wonder that third down that led to

693
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 6: the field goal on the second drive, you know, he

694
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 6: has born there did get a little pressure, but like

695
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 6: that might be an example, it was a little out

696
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 6: in front of him. I thought Bourne could have had it.

697
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 6: But it wasn't a great throw. Didn't really come out

698
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 6: great either. It looked like it was kind of wobbly

699
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 6: when it came out. But you know, if it's fourteen

700
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 6: nothing instead of ten nothing, you wonder if maybe that

701
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 6: was enough to make Jacksonville stop. And maybe there were

702
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 6: a couple he threw to them that they didn't catch

703
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 6: in this game. So it wasn't It wasn't perfect, no,

704
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,399
Speaker 6: I mean the two that should have been picked off,

705
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 6: and both were flat out drops on the interception and

706
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:34,320
Speaker 6: dropped interceptions, and I didn't really see those against Houston,

707
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 6: like I thought he hadn't the overthrow that was obvious,

708
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:38,879
Speaker 6: you know, and they and they caught it. And then

709
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 6: the deflection was an unbelievable play by the guy who

710
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 6: caught that. I forget who was twenty three. I think

711
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 6: for Houston that caught the the deflected interception in this game,

712
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 6: he was he was more fortunate that they didn't they

713
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 6: didn't catch them. But I agree with with Evan and Mike.

714
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 6: I thought just watching it and looking at him forget

715
00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 6: about the performance, forget about the numbers or anything like.

716
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 6: Just watching him operate the offense, this looked more conventional

717
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 6: to me than Houston did.

718
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean they've ran one play in particular that

719
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 9: he's now hit three different ways. You know, he's hit

720
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,720
Speaker 9: three different reads within the same play over the last

721
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 9: two weeks. Like those are the types of things that

722
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 9: young quarterbacks don't typically do. You either, see, oh, my

723
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 9: initial read is getting open consistently, so I'm just making

724
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 9: first red throws or you're seeing playground, you know, off script,

725
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:31,879
Speaker 9: running around like a chicken with the head cut off

726
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 9: and making a play happen. Just because you're a superior

727
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 9: athlete on the field, You know, he's really seen the

728
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 9: field very well. I just in the accuracy stuff, to

729
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 9: me is going to have to be worked out over

730
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 9: the time and probably in the off season. The throwing

731
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,760
Speaker 9: motion is still a little bit long. If they tightened

732
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 9: that up, there's less like movement in his throwing motion.

733
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 9: That's less room for error there, and his feet can

734
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,879
Speaker 9: get a little bit sloppy at times still as well.

735
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 9: But that type of stuff is going to have to

736
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 9: be drilled into him.

737
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 6: So that's the silver lining because I think we all

738
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 6: went into the season kind of knowing that the record

739
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 6: probably wasn't going to be what we wanted. But can

740
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 6: we get some development of Drake May? And I think

741
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 6: at least you're getting the startup.

742
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:17,480
Speaker 9: It's incredible that he's been this good while all this

743
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 9: chaos is going on around him. And that's why I

744
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 9: said the twenty two year old, like he's the one

745
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 9: guy that's actually pulling his weight on in the team,

746
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,600
Speaker 9: and he's the youngest player on the roster, Like, it's

747
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 9: absolutely crazy.

748
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:29,240
Speaker 6: It sits around.

749
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 8: You spend all summer thinking the team is one thing,

750
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 8: and then all of a sudden, here we are, Week

751
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 8: seven eight and it's all on the kid somehow. I

752
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,879
Speaker 8: just want another piece, Like someone else, Can someone else

753
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 8: start to play well? Can someone else start to inspire

754
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 8: some excitement other than Drake May? Because that's to me

755
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,240
Speaker 8: coming out of that game. We can all get excited

756
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 8: about Drake May's first quarter, But what else do you

757
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 8: feel good about right now?

758
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 5: I think Henry's playing fine.

759
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 6: Under Henry, Henry's been solid.

760
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 8: Yeah, I just need some of these rookies to play.

761
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 8: I mean, Jalen Polk is such a head scratcher to me.

762
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 8: I just I can't figure. I've never seen someone looks

763
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,919
Speaker 8: so in their own head and then just to see

764
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 8: it pick right up in the game again after we

765
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 8: spent all week talking.

766
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 5: I've never seen anyone so in his own head, lacking

767
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 5: so much humility.

768
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, how about.

769
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, awareness, self awareness, self awareness.

770
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 9: Yeah, I didn't looking back at the targets like drop

771
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 9: is it's all, it's all subjected.

772
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 6: The second one is, if that was any other receiver,

773
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 6: no one would call it a drop.

774
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:28,399
Speaker 5: Yeah.

775
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 6: The throw was late, it was short, and it allowed

776
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 6: the guy time to come over and break it up.

777
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:33,240
Speaker 6: Yeah that was not a drop.

778
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, I agree. And just the other thing I

779
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 9: would say about the defense, And I'm sure that Mayo

780
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 9: would feel that it's execution based errors. But if I

781
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 9: was Girod Mayo and it's his team, so run it

782
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 9: the way you want to. But if I was him,

783
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 9: I would consider taking over the defense myself. I think

784
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 9: at this point, you have to get one side of

785
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 9: the ball buttoned up. You are a defensive minded head coach.

786
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 9: It's nothing against de Marcus Covington, but he's also a

787
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 9: very young coach. That's doing this for the first time,

788
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 9: and he's still going to be the defensive coordinator. And

789
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 9: there are plenty of defensive coordinators and offensive coordinators who

790
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 9: don't call the plays because their head coach calls the plays.

791
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 9: So if I was Jirowed Mayo, I would strongly consider

792
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 9: taking over the defense.

793
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 5: I wonder if he's got the chops to do it.

794
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 6: Do you think it's a play calling issue.

795
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 9: It's not solely a play calling issue. It's obviously a

796
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 9: combination of a bunch of different things. But I don't

797
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 9: think the play calling is free of blame for what's

798
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 9: going on.

799
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 5: At the very least, I would love for him, you know,

800
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 5: at certain parts of the game to be with the

801
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 5: defense on the sideline and come off, you know, and

802
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 5: talk about to.

803
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 6: Admit, I think that sometimes Bill would turn.

804
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 5: Around and when he felt he had to do it,

805
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 5: he'd get in their faces and you know, point out

806
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 5: some things that he's seeing. And I think when it

807
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 5: comes to in the game, that's the one place where

808
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 5: Gerard could contribute.

809
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 9: Yeah, I know, I just haven't loved it from the

810
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 9: beginning that he was going to try to be a

811
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 9: CEO head coach because, like you have to have some

812
00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 9: self awareness, right, Like Bill Belichick was a CEO head

813
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,720
Speaker 9: coach because he coached in the league for fifty years

814
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 9: and he had a rolladex of knowledge to go back on,

815
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 9: to pull from, to contribute to an offensive meeting or

816
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 9: contribute to a special teams meeting. Like Girod. Mayo's strength

817
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 9: is on the defensive side of the ball, same way

818
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 9: as like Demico Ryans in Houston is a defensive minded coach,

819
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 9: the same way as all the tight pant guys are

820
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 9: offensive minded head coaches, and they're running their offense like

821
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 9: even Andy Reid, like Steve Spagnolo is running Kansas City's defense,

822
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 9: Like Andy Reid has nothing to do with that defense.

823
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 6: No, but he he does the offense right. And to

824
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 6: your point, Mayo's a defensive guy. There's nothing wrong with

825
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 6: being a head coach with a slant on one side

826
00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:59,919
Speaker 6: or the other. And he should be able to fix something.

827
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 9: I look at like Sean McVay when he started out

828
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 9: with the Rams. Sean McVay hired Wade Phillips yep to

829
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 9: run his defense, and he said to Wade Phillips, you

830
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 9: are head coach defense, Like I'm going to run the offense.

831
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 9: I'm going to run the culture and you're going to

832
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 9: run the defense. And if I was Girrawed, I would say,

833
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 9: I'm going to run the defense. I'm going to run

834
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,280
Speaker 9: the culture, and a VP is going to run the offense.

835
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 9: I think that's what he well expense.

836
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 6: He hasn't done the defense, but he hasn't done a defense.

837
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 2: That's why.

838
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,320
Speaker 8: I mean, it's it sounds nice, but sometimes it's is

839
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 8: that going to make a difference? Like why should I

840
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 8: believe that he has the ability.

841
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 5: To do it?

842
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 6: You know?

843
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 8: And that's that's a great Unfortunately, when you get to

844
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 8: a point where a coach, who, let's face it, he

845
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 8: hasn't coached the football team before this year, and he

846
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 8: doesn't have the fall back on While I was an

847
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 8: offensive coordinator for the last six years, I know what

848
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 8: I'm doing there, Like him jumping into the defensive coordinator

849
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 8: role is every bit of an unknown as anybody else

850
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:52,720
Speaker 8: doing it. And that's I don't.

851
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 5: At least he helped run it with Steve last year.

852
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 9: I mean, he's done a lot of the things, like

853
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 9: on a day to day basis that a defensive coordinator

854
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 9: would do in the past. I just I look at

855
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 9: your odd right now, and I feel like he's taken

856
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 9: on water because he stretched really really thin. Like he

857
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 9: has a lot of responsibilities and he has his hand

858
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,879
Speaker 9: in a lot of different buckets, and I don't look

859
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 9: at like he's not a white right now, like what

860
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 9: is what are they good at? And what is he

861
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 9: hanging his hat on?

862
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 5: Right? And unless all the stuff we heard about him

863
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 5: being such a great you know, reviewer of film and

864
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 5: classroom guy and student of Bill, unless that was all fantasy,

865
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 5: you have to imagine he's seeing something out there that

866
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 5: he would want to give input, Like there's something that

867
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,399
Speaker 5: he's looking at that's like, here's what we're doing wrong,

868
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,399
Speaker 5: here's what we need to do. That he would have

869
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 5: things to contribute on during the game. I would think

870
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 5: he would.

871
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 9: Yeah, there's just so many things on defense at this

872
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 9: point where guys are error repeating, and so I would

873
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 9: think that with Mayo, like he would be able to

874
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 9: go in there to the defensive meeting or I go

875
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 9: out there literally in practice like we used to see

876
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 9: him standing at the linebacker level and like talking about

877
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 9: things like run fits, talking about things like reading play action.

878
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 9: You know, they keep putting base defense on the field

879
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 9: and teams keep on throwing sixty yard bombs against them

880
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,240
Speaker 9: when they're playing bass, So like, why are we talking

881
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 9: about Why aren't we talking about what personnel we're putting

882
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 9: out on the field, Like these types of things are

883
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 9: play calling, like these types of things are coaching during

884
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 9: the week. And if he was more hands on with

885
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 9: the defense, like maybe they would get the run fits

886
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 9: figured out, Like he played linebacker in the league for

887
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 9: a decade and well run fits like literally that's his thing,

888
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 9: Like that should be you know, Girodmeo's things. So I

889
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 9: just think he needs to be more hands on with

890
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:41,720
Speaker 9: the defense.

891
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 6: All right, that was a big side.

892
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 5: No, he set a lot. We set a lot eight

893
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 5: five five past five hundred. Is the TPX outline podcasts

894
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 5: at Patriots dot com is the email address. We're gonna

895
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 5: let people get into it because.

896
00:42:59,360 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 6: That's what we do.

897
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 5: So, uh, this one I don't understand. Eric writes in

898
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 5: this is what happens to the locker room when you

899
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 5: don't resign any of your top draft picks. For the

900
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 5: past five to ten years. Bill let everyone walk because

901
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 5: he knew better and he could get the same production

902
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 5: for less, such such as yeah, I don't understand that they.

903
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 8: Just resigned all of their that's what they're trying to

904
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 8: get it in front of I mean a couple of

905
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 8: years ago. Maybe I think what he's trying to say

906
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 8: is that there's no core, there's no foundation from this team.

907
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 8: They're trying to rebuild it this year by resigning Dougar.

908
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 8: I was going to say that should be redoing that

909
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 8: this year, that you know, this is their first year.

910
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 8: But I think what he's trying to say is what

911
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 8: we haven't saying, that they they got to this point

912
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:40,280
Speaker 8: because they didn't have a core. They had to resign

913
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 8: all those guys. It was either resign those guys or

914
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 8: just you.

915
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 6: Know, you know, maybe this is what he is saying,

916
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 6: but like they got to this point because they didn't draft,

917
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 6: well yeah, not because they let guys go who they

918
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 6: let go that you you will lament, right, right, Harry Right?

919
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 6: Was he going to be a locker room guy?

920
00:43:58,600 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 5: You know?

921
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:03,439
Speaker 6: I mean Isaiya would right? You know, Isaiah Winners hasn't

922
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 6: played a game in a long time, by the way,

923
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 6: in Diamia.

924
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, you don't have to be an

925
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 5: all pro to be a locker room guy, But you

926
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 5: have to be competent, you have to write.

927
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 6: And I think if they have a decent like and

928
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 6: I made this argument throughout the summer, like and I

929
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 6: didn't like the idea of resigning as many of their

930
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 6: own free agents as they did. I, however, didn't necessarily

931
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 6: have this like visceral reaction to any real individual guy

932
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 6: that they signed. I just didn't think it was smart

933
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,479
Speaker 6: to sign them all. And I would rather have brought

934
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 6: in some higher end talent in some spots. And I

935
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 6: know they tried in, you know, with a couple of

936
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 6: wide receivers and that didn't work out, but they should have.

937
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 6: I mean, you know, Dugger and that whole crew, you

938
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:52,399
Speaker 6: know a way, you know, can we talk about Michael

939
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 6: Winno a little bit? Yeah, Like, is there a chance

940
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 6: that Michael went who got nineteen million and is no

941
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,720
Speaker 6: longer really interested in blocking anybody?

942
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 5: Chance?

943
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 9: I don't think it's that's what it is. But I

944
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,359
Speaker 9: don't think it's I don't think it's solely like you're

945
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 9: not totally off.

946
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 6: I don't think he's played very well, That's all I'll say, correctly.

947
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 6: Well I will, how so on right tackle? Yeah, Okay,

948
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 6: So what about right guard. He wasn't playing well at

949
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 6: guard either played better. No, he didn't, he did not

950
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 6: according to the geeks. I'm just going by the what

951
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 6: what the geeks tell me.

952
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 5: I saw him get out in front of them.

953
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 6: Someone told someone, actually someone tweeted this weekend that that

954
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,760
Speaker 6: was the first sack that he's allowed as a tackle

955
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 6: this year. Well, he's allowed a lot of sacks, so

956
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 6: the rest of them must have come at guard, according

957
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 6: to some.

958
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 9: I don't know about that exactly. I also put that

959
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 9: sack on Drake May but but that's besides the point.

960
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,319
Speaker 6: But I'm just that's either here or that he hasn't

961
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 6: been good this year. No, he was a good player.

962
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 6: He was overweight when he came in. I just wonder

963
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:57,839
Speaker 6: if he got his contract and he's satisfied.

964
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 9: He's kind of been on my radar for a while.

965
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 9: Not because I don't think he not because I think

966
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 9: he's been terrible, but I just think he hasn't been

967
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 9: an eighteen million dollar year player. But the uh, the

968
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 9: one uh, the one thing I would say, though not

969
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 9: necessarily even in his defense, but like him moving inside

970
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 9: and outside week to week and having that be almost

971
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 9: like a day to day proposition and on the point

972
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 9: is not okay. And if you ask me, that's got

973
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 9: to be frustrating like that, that has to be frustrating

974
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 9: for him that every week it's well now I'm playing

975
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,439
Speaker 9: right tackle. Well now I'm playing guard. Now I'm playing

976
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 9: tackle again. And some of it is because they just

977
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,399
Speaker 9: they need him to, like he has to put out

978
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 9: fires where they need them.

979
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 6: And I personally don't think he wants to play tackle,

980
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 6: which I think is part of the problem. Yeah, mentally,

981
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 6: I you know, I even wonder if that had something

982
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 6: to do with his weight game, like if I get

983
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 6: big enough, I won't be an option out there.

984
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 9: I think the biggest you know, he's said in the

985
00:46:56,239 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 9: past that he just wants to be at one position.

986
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,720
Speaker 9: He doesn't care if it's tackle or if it's right guard,

987
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 9: but he wants to be one position and stay there.

988
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 9: So all this moving around I think is starting to

989
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 9: affect him.

990
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 8: I think that's all fair. I just I think to

991
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 8: the email ER's previous point, it's just that you paid

992
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 8: him this money. You just would hope that he'd be

993
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 8: one of your guys that you could look to when

994
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 8: it's yes, it's hard, it's hard. No question, But how

995
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 8: much respect do you have for a guy like Logan

996
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 8: Mankins who went and played a left tackle spot, you know,

997
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,919
Speaker 8: in a pinch and you know, stepped up and did well.

998
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 8: And it's a lot for a lenu for sure. But

999
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 8: I just think they've had so much disappointment in these

1000
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 8: guys that they've extended, guys that they've given big contracts

1001
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 8: to go right down the list.

1002
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 6: There's a laundry list of examples like the one you

1003
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 6: just gave that happened over the twenty years. Now, all

1004
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 6: of a sudden, it's like we I don't know how

1005
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 6: kJ Osborne made it through Sunday, Like he didn't find

1006
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 6: out until the night before that he was playing in

1007
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 6: the game, right, right, that's not an ideal situation, what

1008
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 6: I mean, right, it's not an ideal situation. He probably

1009
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 6: didn't get you what he said. You got like three

1010
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 6: reps all week. I get it. You didn't think you

1011
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 6: were going to play, you know, and you played and

1012
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 6: you went out there and you did. You know, you

1013
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 6: did fine. You caught a touchdown at the end of

1014
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 6: the game. But like these are things that are like

1015
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 6: really bothering players.

1016
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 5: Like what it is agent tweet out something about send

1017
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 5: him something, and he posted it on his Instagram. Again,

1018
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 5: what are we doing this in particular in that wide

1019
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 5: receiver room?

1020
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 9: What are we doing I don't think that that guy

1021
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 9: is like his actual agent, just worth putting out.

1022
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 6: Like, but but he posted.

1023
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 9: I'm not saying the different, but I'm just saying, yeah.

1024
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 6: Just tell me if I might have this wrong, because

1025
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,359
Speaker 6: you guys know me and the social stuff, I often

1026
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 6: get it wrong. But didn't kJ himself post the I

1027
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 6: don't care who the exchange was.

1028
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 9: He reposted it, which I just learned this morning. Okay, apparently.

1029
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 6: Wrong, which I don't know how it's different, like whether

1030
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 6: it's not different, but I thought he if he reposted it,

1031
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 6: we've had we've heard this a million times.

1032
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 5: Well, if somebody else posted it and you shared it,

1033
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 5: that's all that means you, right, so you advocate it.

1034
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 6: I endorsed this message, thank you.

1035
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:12,240
Speaker 9: Correct.

1036
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 8: I was just trying the contrast with his assistant receivers

1037
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 8: coach Taekwon Underwood, who famously was wasn't he said that

1038
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 8: wasn't he cut the night before the Super Bowl back

1039
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 8: in twenty eleven.

1040
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 5: Like now he's a coach, Like I don't know where

1041
00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 5: do we stay. All right, let's get to some of

1042
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,879
Speaker 5: the phone calls, and we got a million emails. Uh,

1043
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 5: appreciated Shore. They're very positive. Joe's in New Hampshire. What's up, Joe?

1044
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:37,919
Speaker 10: Hey, guys. I just want to start off by saying

1045
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:43,280
Speaker 10: that was an amazing first fifty minute and my questions

1046
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 10: are about some of the coach or some of the

1047
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 10: coaching decisions during the game. First, the I know what

1048
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 10: was talked about on the post game show, the two

1049
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 10: point conversion. I think it was absolutely idiotic to go

1050
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,800
Speaker 10: for two when you're down nine. But the decision that

1051
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 10: I feel like hasn't been talked about as much is

1052
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 10: at the end of the first half when they had

1053
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 10: the fourth and three, they tried to get them to

1054
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 10: jump off sides, but they burned the time out so

1055
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,919
Speaker 10: they couldn't possibly get back to Bill to go three

1056
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 10: and out and have a little bit of time to

1057
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,720
Speaker 10: maybe get a field goal range. I'll take your thoughts

1058
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 10: off the air, Thanks guys.

1059
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 8: Okay, thanks for the call situational football.

1060
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 6: Well, I actually wanted to hear Evan because you can

1061
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 6: you turn up out of the three of us, you

1062
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 6: are absolutely more on the analytical bent. So I'm sure

1063
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 6: you're going to tell us why we're idiots that we

1064
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,399
Speaker 6: don't think that you should you should go for two

1065
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 6: in that situation.

1066
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 9: So going for two up nine down nine, I should

1067
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 9: say is is is definitely a nerd mountain, like this

1068
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:44,720
Speaker 9: is something that nerds.

1069
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 6: So can I just ask this is your right? Can

1070
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 6: you please just give me one reason that doesn't involve

1071
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,919
Speaker 6: knowing what you need, because you know what you need

1072
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 6: either way, because I know what I need no matter

1073
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:01,760
Speaker 6: what happens, I'm making the two point conversion, by kicking

1074
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 6: the extra point for one point, and by missing the

1075
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 6: two point conversion, after all three of those scenarios, I

1076
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 6: know what I need because the play has happened and

1077
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 6: the result is there.

1078
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 9: I guess the idea behind it, and I'm not going

1079
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 9: to change any of your mind. So it's but the

1080
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 9: idea but you can try, though, is that Let's say

1081
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 9: they kick the extra point and they go down eight points.

1082
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 9: Then with two minutes ago, May marches them on a

1083
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 9: two minute drill drive. They go right, they go down

1084
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 9: the field, and with three seconds left, he puts the

1085
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 9: ball into the end zone and they're down two points.

1086
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 9: Now they go for two, they don't get it last. Okay,

1087
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 9: so if they if they do it this way, right,

1088
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 9: then at least they can try to find on site

1089
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 9: kick whatever the case may be, to manufacture another possession.

1090
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:48,800
Speaker 6: Okay. So why can't you on side kick after you

1091
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 6: fail too?

1092
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 9: Because there's no more timeline?

1093
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 6: Okay? So yeah, so there's eight twenty two left? Yea,

1094
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 6: Why if I'm down eight does my next score come

1095
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 6: with no time I'm left? But if I'm down nine,

1096
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 6: I'm no problem. Just for the record, that's a dumb argument.

1097
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,760
Speaker 6: Just for the record, I'm your argument, the analytics.

1098
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 9: I'm actually on your side of the street on this

1099
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 9: one person, the part of it, right, yeah, and I

1100
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 9: just explaining the nerd but like I I agree with

1101
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 9: your side of the street. Now that the other rebuttal

1102
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 9: that the nerds would give and this is the nerdsen

1103
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 9: why spreadsheets are spreadsheets and games or games? If Jalen

1104
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 9: Polk doesn't slip and doesn't fall down on the two

1105
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 9: point conversion, then we're not having this conversation, right.

1106
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 6: No, no, no, I am very consistent. I'd still be

1107
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 6: having the conversation because I am not results oriented. Well,

1108
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:47,399
Speaker 6: everybody the analytics, guys are all based on results. It's

1109
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 6: right here, you have a fifty eight percent chance to

1110
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 6: convert this, so that means it's the right thing to do. No,

1111
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 6: it doesn't mean the result of the play does not

1112
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 6: make the decision right or wrong. The decision should be

1113
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 6: based on sound logic right, and I can absolutely be

1114
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 6: swayed on a lot of analytic arguments that I think

1115
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:09,280
Speaker 6: the influx of the metrics have been a great addition

1116
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 6: to the game. I said this on Sunday in the

1117
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:16,320
Speaker 6: postgame show. Thanks, I didn't credit you with any of this. No,

1118
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 6: the influx of guys going forward on fourth down in

1119
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 6: unconventional situations and spots on the field, I think has

1120
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:26,280
Speaker 6: been a home run. I've always liked that. I always

1121
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 6: loved the fact that Parcels was an aggressive guy on

1122
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 6: fourth down. I think it's added excitement to the game.

1123
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,439
Speaker 6: I think to just assume you can't get an inch

1124
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:37,319
Speaker 6: because you're on your own thirty yard line, I don't

1125
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 6: think is a good assumption. Now this time and score

1126
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 6: and all that kind of stuff goes into it. But

1127
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 6: I think there's a lot I don't love this scenario,

1128
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 6: but I've sort of been swayed a little bit by

1129
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 6: the analytics. The down fourteen in the fourth quarter, when

1130
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 6: you score the first touchdown, go for two, go for

1131
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 6: two and take a chance of trying to win it.

1132
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 6: If you get the first one, you're probably gonna get

1133
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:04,800
Speaker 6: one out of the two, but you take a chance

1134
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:06,839
Speaker 6: and get the first one, and then you can kick

1135
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 6: an extra point to win it, which we've seen happen.

1136
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 6: I think that the Jags did that to the Chargers

1137
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 6: in the playoffs a couple of years ago, with that

1138
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 6: huge comeback. I don't love it, don't love it, right.

1139
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 11: But.

1140
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 6: There's a there's a basis of rationality to that decision.

1141
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 6: I'm within a score either way. I'm gonna roll the

1142
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 6: dice and get greedy here, and at least I have momentum.

1143
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 5: See the difference to me, the whole difference between that

1144
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 5: one and the one that happens Sunday is you don't

1145
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:37,879
Speaker 5: add a possession needed.

1146
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,320
Speaker 6: Right, what I'm saying, you're still within a possession a

1147
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 6: possession here this one. You put it in a situation

1148
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 6: where if you fail on this play, like for some reason,

1149
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,399
Speaker 6: the analytic guys tell you, well, when you're if you're

1150
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 6: only down eight then that two point conversions do a die.

1151
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 6: If you miss it, you lose. I got news for

1152
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 6: you people. The game ended on Sunday with a twenty

1153
00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 6: two left. When Jalen Polk fell down, the game was over. Now,

1154
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 6: I think the game was over before that. Anyway, there

1155
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 6: was no possible way they were gonna get They weren't

1156
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,799
Speaker 6: gonna win the game. But I think they made Jacksonville's

1157
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:13,760
Speaker 6: job infinitely easier getting first downs and melting the clock

1158
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:15,800
Speaker 6: when they made it a nine point game instead of

1159
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 6: an eight pack game. Because the Patriots applied they applied

1160
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 6: no game pressure to Jacksonville none. They should have made

1161
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 6: Jacksonville pay for an idiotic decision by Doug Peterson to

1162
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 6: forego a field goal on the previous possession of the

1163
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 6: eleven and a half minute possession that resulted in zero points.

1164
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 6: They kick a field goal, they got three scores. He

1165
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 6: just figured, we just ran the ball seventeen players in

1166
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 6: a row and they can't stop us, so I'm not

1167
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 6: gonna get stopped on this one. And son of a gun,

1168
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 6: they got stopped, and you allowed the Patriots to have

1169
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 6: what flicker of life they had, and the Patriots just

1170
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 6: gave that flicker right back to them by When that

1171
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 6: possession started, it was a two score game. When that

1172
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 6: possession ended, it was a two score game. Nothing changed.

1173
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 9: I just want to be clear that I am not

1174
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 9: pro to point in this because I know I'm gonna

1175
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 9: get lumped in with the nerds, so I just I

1176
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 9: wouldn't have gone for two. But my bigger criticism of

1177
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 9: it was actually the play call. And I understand that

1178
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 9: he was open.

1179
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:14,319
Speaker 6: I'll get to that la.

1180
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 9: He was open, okay, But the odds of this team

1181
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 9: having Jalen pull went on that route and actually freaking

1182
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 9: catch the ball.

1183
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:24,800
Speaker 5: It's the player.

1184
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 6: How many how many targets in a row? Is he

1185
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:30,399
Speaker 6: gone without making a catch? I don't know if we're

1186
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 6: gonna go by the analytics, if we're gonna go by

1187
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 6: the numbers and win probabilities and all this other nonsense

1188
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 6: that doesn't take anything into consideration other than the spreadsheet.

1189
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 6: What was the last time that he was targeted that

1190
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:41,839
Speaker 6: he caught the ball?

1191
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 9: And he's isoed on that side of the field, So

1192
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 9: that's the only place that Drake may can throw the ball.

1193
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 9: So like when he falls down, it's not like he

1194
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:50,439
Speaker 9: can now Oh like I have to oh.

1195
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 6: By the way, guys were falling down in that game

1196
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 6: all over the place. And the last thing that was

1197
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 6: an issue.

1198
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 9: I hate it about it was you have this super

1199
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 9: ath eat that quarterback and you have him throw the

1200
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 9: ball from the pocket, like get him on the move.

1201
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 6: I would even have taken his own reading. Yeah, like

1202
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 6: the one against Philadelphia in the preseason that he's he

1203
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:10,439
Speaker 6: touched in right.

1204
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 9: Like you know, yeah, incorporate his legs somehow, like run

1205
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 9: some sort of an option or something like.

1206
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:18,439
Speaker 6: That run was still sick at that point.

1207
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 9: I get to that. But yeah, I just Barth always

1208
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 9: says this, and it's the one thing I agree.

1209
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 6: With him on, like that unnecessary shout it out.

1210
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:29,920
Speaker 9: The decision to go for it is only as good

1211
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 9: as the play call. So like if you don't have

1212
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 9: a great two point play, then the the nerds are

1213
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 9: going to say on the spreadsheet to still go for it.

1214
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 6: Because it's you know, you're gonna get it. You're gonna

1215
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 6: get it.

1216
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:42,439
Speaker 5: And that's where falls down.

1217
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 6: What I what I don't like is that. And I

1218
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 6: was listening to Andrew Callahan, you know, we credited him,

1219
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 6: he got you know, the quality and born stuff. So

1220
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 6: I'm gonna take a shot at Andrew now a little bit.

1221
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 6: I heard him this morning, and you know he's in

1222
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 6: this conversation and they're going back and forth. Hardy and

1223
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 6: Wallach are anti point conversion, and Andrew was for it.

1224
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 6: And you know, in the middle of the argument, Hardy

1225
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 6: just says, do you do you believe in momentum? And

1226
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 6: he says no, I'm sorry, I can't. I can't have

1227
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 6: a conversation with you anymore. I'm done. Because if you

1228
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 6: think that every play has got the same exact chance

1229
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 6: of working just because of the play, You've never played sports.

1230
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 6: You've never been on a field, You've never been on

1231
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 6: what to deal was, We've never experienced it. Do you

1232
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 6: think the Atlanta Falcons had a sniff of a chance

1233
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 6: of stopping that last two point conversion in the Super Bowl?

1234
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 12: Right?

1235
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 6: Analytics will tell you it was a fifty to fifty,

1236
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 6: was one hundred to nothing. There's no way the Falcons

1237
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 6: were going to stop that after that avalanche had.

1238
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 5: Occurred, right momentum.

1239
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 6: The only way that that play was not going to

1240
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:46,160
Speaker 6: work is if somebody on the Patriots failed to execute.

1241
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 6: I'll la Jalen Polk falling down. If I think that

1242
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:50,480
Speaker 6: last one went to Ammandola, right.

1243
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 9: Was that the shield screen or that the direct I think.

1244
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 6: It was the shield screen. The only way that play

1245
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 6: was going to fail is if Immadola dropped the ball inexplicably.

1246
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 6: There's no way the Falcons were going to the Patriots

1247
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 6: from getting two yards because I'm sorry, momentum does matter.

1248
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,919
Speaker 6: And again, down fourteen, you get those two, you can

1249
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 6: talk to me and the analytics people can explain to

1250
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 6: me why it's advantageous. I have not heard anything that

1251
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 6: doesn't involve knowing what I need down nine with eight

1252
00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 6: minutes left, and then everybody, This is again not picking

1253
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 6: on you, because this is what everybody is hitting us with.

1254
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 6: Everybody is saying this way, when I get the touchdown,

1255
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 6: if I'm down eight, there's no time left after the

1256
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 6: two point conversion.

1257
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 5: I don't know why.

1258
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:39,959
Speaker 6: Why why does the eight twenty two evaporate down eight

1259
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 6: but it doesn't down nine. I don't understand that.

1260
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 8: Also, pay me in the position of taking that two

1261
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 8: point conversion after you just drove the length of the field.

1262
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 8: You're threatening the other defense is on their heels. The

1263
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 8: game is on this play. You know, I believe in momentum,

1264
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 8: and I feel like to your point, that was the

1265
00:59:55,240 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 8: point I was just about to make with the Patriots

1266
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 8: is Evan said, like in that situation, would you rather

1267
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 8: have it? It's seven all right, guys, this is the

1268
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 8: game right here, seven minutes. It's kind of a fart

1269
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 8: in the wind. You know, you don't really realize it

1270
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 8: at the time. Whereas when you're going for two at

1271
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:07,840
Speaker 8: the end of the game and you just drove the

1272
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:09,479
Speaker 8: length of the field and here it is right there

1273
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 8: to win the game.

1274
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,920
Speaker 6: Would I would also say, watch what your offense has

1275
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 6: done from the second quarter all the way through that drive.

1276
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 6: You've done nothing. The biggest play on that drive was

1277
01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 6: an unbelievable catch by Hunter Henry that converted a third

1278
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 6: and long down the seam that they could have run

1279
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 6: fifteen times in a row and wouldn't have resulted into completion.

1280
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 6: Like read what happened on the on the drive and

1281
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 6: figure out how you got into the end zone, and

1282
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 6: now say to yourself, I could do that two more times. Yeah,

1283
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 6: I can get that that helmet top catch from mounter

1284
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 6: Henry a couple more times so I can get scored.

1285
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 6: It was an unbelievable catch. Though Evan it was the

1286
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 6: guy was right there. But I when I watched the

1287
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:51,479
Speaker 6: throw to Bootyevable, when I watched it.

1288
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 9: Live, that was like a no, no, yes throw for sure.

1289
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 6: Oh in the situation, it was absolutely the.

1290
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 9: Right, but you got watching it back, I feel like

1291
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 9: we're in Tampa two. So like the middle linebackers back

1292
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 9: is to the quarterback, so he doesn't know the ball

1293
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 9: is coming. So as long as Drake May throws it

1294
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 9: up high enough that Hunter Henry can go up and

1295
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 9: get it, there's really no like risk of the player

1296
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 9: the defender making a play on the ball.

1297
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Speaker 5: All right, one more call and we got to take

1298
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 5: a break. Christian's in LA. What's up? Christian?

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Speaker 6: Hey you guys?

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Speaker 13: How you doing?

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Speaker 14: So I just wanted to say that I actually enjoyed

1302
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 14: the experience. I enjoyed the game because I'm looking at

1303
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 14: it through the perspective of where we're going and with

1304
01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 14: what we have is all we have to work with.

1305
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 14: So we are who we are right because we're working

1306
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 14: with the guys we have to play with. We gotta

1307
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 14: Marshall on the field and we've got to do our best.

1308
01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 14: So with that perspective, I looked at the game, and

1309
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 14: I just I got some enjoyment, especially in the middle

1310
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 14: of the second drive, it felt like for a moment

1311
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 14: that we were a playoff team again. I know it's stupid,

1312
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 14: and I know it's just one of those things that

1313
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 14: as a fan, that feeling right came back like, Wow,

1314
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:04,200
Speaker 14: this is what I'm holding on for, and I just

1315
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Speaker 14: wanted to say that even though we're not running to

1316
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Speaker 14: where we're going, we're sprinting. Maybe we're not even walking,

1317
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 14: maybe we're crawling to where we're going. With the first

1318
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 14: year coach, a first year quarterback, a couple of first

1319
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:19,960
Speaker 14: year receivers, a offensive line that's just trying to figure

1320
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 14: out what the hell offensive line is supposed to actually

1321
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 14: do for a living.

1322
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 5: I like the.

1323
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 14: Direction that we're going and I'm going to look at

1324
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 14: these games from that perspective on not from how perfect

1325
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 14: we can be or what mistakes we made. For just

1326
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:35,480
Speaker 14: as a fan, a long time fan, I'm enjoying this

1327
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 14: journey taking.

1328
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Speaker 5: It Okay, thanks, thanks Christian. I mean, you're you're even

1329
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 5: more optimistic than I am.

1330
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 9: Right, I'm not sure I'm enjoying the journey.

1331
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 6: The guys from the UK fan club that I don't

1332
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 6: optimist like Al.

1333
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 5: I hear what you're saying, but we need to see more.

1334
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:55,720
Speaker 5: Even if even if you say we're crawling in the

1335
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 5: right direction, I need to see a little bit more.

1336
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 9: The only thing that's going in the right direction right

1337
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 9: now as the quarterback. Yeah, like everybody else one way

1338
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 9: and way. That's huge, that's a huge, that's huge.

1339
01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 6: And I would even say, like, how do you think

1340
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 6: he's played pretty good?

1341
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:09,040
Speaker 11: Right?

1342
01:03:09,160 --> 01:03:10,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, they got.

1343
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 6: Blown out of both games. I know that's just illustrated.

1344
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 6: Like you have a young quarterback who.

1345
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 5: Had started Week one, like I said, really would have

1346
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 5: won this game.

1347
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Speaker 6: But they wouldn't have won the game Sunday. Yeah, not

1348
01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 6: that game.

1349
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, like the whole team would have been better.

1350
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Speaker 6: Paul, this looks I think the other team could have

1351
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 6: put fifty on the board if it wanted to. They

1352
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 6: stopped throwing the ball. You realize that, Like they played

1353
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:32,439
Speaker 6: like a high school game.

1354
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Speaker 5: Butterfly.

1355
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Speaker 6: He threw for two hundred yards on twenty attempts. They

1356
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Speaker 6: averaged ten attempt.

1357
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Speaker 5: It would have been easy and right. It would have

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Speaker 15: Just let me just start, let me just start off

1399
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Speaker 15: real quick. So just we're disappointed. You know, six losses

1400
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Speaker 15: in a row never a good thing.

1401
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:04,360
Speaker 4: You know.

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01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:06,920
Speaker 15: Last night, you know, after the game, I felt like

1403
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:10,240
Speaker 15: we just went out there and played soft. We're playing

1404
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:12,480
Speaker 15: soft at the moment. And when I say playing soft,

1405
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 15: I means, you know, the stopping the run, being able

1406
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 15: to run the ball, and being able to cover kicks

1407
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 15: which we weren't able to do. Now I'm saying that, Look,

1408
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 15: I think we have the guys in there that can

1409
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:26,480
Speaker 15: turn this ship around. But you know that comes to

1410
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 15: hard work, hard work on the practice field and going

1411
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 15: out there just getting better at each and every day.

1412
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 2: Fire away, Mike Greace, are Bob, You're on the screen,

1413
01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:40,640
Speaker 2: on my screen. You want You're Bob?

1414
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:41,160
Speaker 6: You want a leader?

1415
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 2: Do you want me to lead it? Okay?

1416
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 6: Okay?

1417
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:49,080
Speaker 16: Gered From from day one with your coaches, you know,

1418
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 16: you've talked about being demanding without being demeaning. Yeah, and

1419
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 16: I'm curious how much your core belief in that has

1420
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:02,200
Speaker 16: been shape can just by the way that the team

1421
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 16: is playing and just what's maybe what's happening around the team.

1422
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:08,200
Speaker 2: That's that's in my DNA. You know.

1423
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:10,080
Speaker 15: Once again, like a lot of these things are about

1424
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 15: relationships and treating people as human beings.

1425
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 2: So that's in my DNA.

1426
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:16,440
Speaker 15: That doesn't mean like we're out there, you know, coaching

1427
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:19,160
Speaker 15: He's got solvet. I think the coaches do do a

1428
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:21,720
Speaker 15: good job of coaching them hard. And you know, obviously

1429
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 15: it would be easy if we were sitting here at

1430
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 15: six and one to continue to have that message. But

1431
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:28,240
Speaker 15: at one and six it's a I guess it's a

1432
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 15: natural question from you, should we change up our coaching style?

1433
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:33,720
Speaker 2: And right now, I just think that.

1434
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 15: We need to continue to work hard and continue to

1435
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 15: push the players to get the results on the field.

1436
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:42,200
Speaker 16: And I had one question on a key point in

1437
01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 16: the game, the second quarter. The second drive the Jaguars

1438
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:51,680
Speaker 16: had in that quarter. The first two plays was a

1439
01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:53,880
Speaker 16: three yard run and then the fifty eight yard pass.

1440
01:07:54,040 --> 01:07:57,360
Speaker 16: That was a big play. It looked to me, and

1441
01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:01,040
Speaker 16: correct me if I'm wrong. You stayed in base the

1442
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 16: first down play they had the three tight ends and

1443
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:08,440
Speaker 16: then I think they switched to two tight ends two receivers.

1444
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 16: But I think you stayed in base on the fifty

1445
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:13,360
Speaker 16: eight yarder. And I'm just wondering if you were okay

1446
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:16,639
Speaker 16: with that not something there if I have it right.

1447
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:18,639
Speaker 15: No, I am okay with that, and I would say

1448
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 15: you can play bass the multiple personnel groups twenty one,

1449
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:23,760
Speaker 15: twelve thirteen. It doesn't matter the same thing with our

1450
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:26,880
Speaker 15: sub packages now. No matter what package is out there

1451
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:28,880
Speaker 15: with a big play like that, it's down the field,

1452
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:36,840
Speaker 15: So everyone else really doesn't matter upfront, Bob, come.

1453
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:37,599
Speaker 2: On, thanks, Jacey morning.

1454
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:40,719
Speaker 17: I want to ask you, I guess the question related

1455
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:45,000
Speaker 17: to what Mike asked first, regarding the messaging and the

1456
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:48,240
Speaker 17: way you handled the team going back to the spring,

1457
01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:51,519
Speaker 17: even with the off season conditioning, and then you go

1458
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:55,360
Speaker 17: through OTAs in training camp, there's been such a significant

1459
01:08:55,439 --> 01:09:00,280
Speaker 17: turnover in terms of personnel, guys who weren't with you

1460
01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:04,479
Speaker 17: maybe in the spring or even through training camp. Are

1461
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:07,880
Speaker 17: you concerned sometimes with the messaging is different the way

1462
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 17: it's received with those guys because they haven't invested those

1463
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:15,120
Speaker 17: hours with you and the staff out on the practice field,

1464
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:18,720
Speaker 17: in the weight room, et cetera, to really fully buy in.

1465
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:20,400
Speaker 1: I guess what I'm asking you.

1466
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:21,400
Speaker 2: That's a good question.

1467
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:26,439
Speaker 15: Look, we're all continue to get better, continuing to learn

1468
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 15: one another. I would say the messaging is the messaging.

1469
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:31,920
Speaker 15: And you know when you hear you say, you know

1470
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 15: we played soft, I mean that's that's how I feel

1471
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:36,439
Speaker 15: about it, and it would be easy for me to

1472
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 15: sit up here and go through injuries and all that stuff,

1473
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:40,880
Speaker 15: But I mean that would be pointless to me.

1474
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 2: We have to be able to go out there and

1475
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 2: perform at a high level with the guys that we have.

1476
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:49,479
Speaker 17: And follow up regarding Drake and you and Elliott when

1477
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:51,639
Speaker 17: you met with us in the spring around the draft

1478
01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:54,400
Speaker 17: time and talked about meeting him and the things you

1479
01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:56,880
Speaker 17: liked about him, the way he didn't throw teammates under

1480
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:59,559
Speaker 17: the bus at North Carolina's toughness, et cetera. Now, I've

1481
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:02,559
Speaker 17: been through t two games and he's been in some

1482
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 17: adversity and he's played, you know, well for long stretches

1483
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:08,040
Speaker 17: of those two games.

1484
01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:09,479
Speaker 2: What have you seen from him?

1485
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:12,720
Speaker 17: What have you discovered that's new about Drake may or

1486
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:16,960
Speaker 17: maybe pleasantly surprising about your quarterback that you didn't really

1487
01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:20,160
Speaker 17: know when when you drafted him.

1488
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:22,919
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I'll say it's just his overall toughness.

1489
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:25,800
Speaker 15: He's still out there, He's taking hits and getting back

1490
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 15: up and still stepping into the pocket.

1491
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:28,639
Speaker 2: I think he's doing a good job.

1492
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:31,240
Speaker 15: When you talk about progress from then one and game two,

1493
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:34,360
Speaker 15: you know, no turnovers, yesterday, which is headed in the

1494
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:34,960
Speaker 15: right direction.

1495
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:40,120
Speaker 2: He's definitely playing at a good level for us. Thank you,

1496
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:40,719
Speaker 2: Thanks Bob.

1497
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:47,760
Speaker 18: We'll go back to Mike Greece and I'll just ask guys,

1498
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:50,080
Speaker 18: raise your hand and turn your screen on if you

1499
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:51,000
Speaker 18: have questions to ask.

1500
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:53,720
Speaker 2: It's hard for me to see on this monitor.

1501
01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:57,439
Speaker 16: Without doing that, Stacy, I already asked two when it

1502
01:10:57,479 --> 01:10:59,680
Speaker 16: looks like you got others lined up, so let me

1503
01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:01,240
Speaker 16: defer to the others for now.

1504
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:02,240
Speaker 2: If that's okay.

1505
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:06,439
Speaker 18: Okay, so guys, go ahead, and if if hand is raised,

1506
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:07,880
Speaker 18: go ahead and ask.

1507
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:10,400
Speaker 2: I'm disconnected on my end, so sorry about that.

1508
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:15,799
Speaker 19: Hey, Rod, I just want to ask you real quick,

1509
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:19,800
Speaker 19: what's the balance like for you just obviously knowing the

1510
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:23,120
Speaker 19: game and knowing what to do from your playing career,

1511
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:26,920
Speaker 19: but realizing that guys aren't you and just having to

1512
01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:29,080
Speaker 19: work through that as a coach and how to adjust

1513
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:29,320
Speaker 19: to that.

1514
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:32,080
Speaker 2: I look, that's a good question.

1515
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:34,559
Speaker 15: What I would say is, you know, these are professional

1516
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:37,439
Speaker 15: football players in there. This isn't you know, this isn't college.

1517
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:40,040
Speaker 15: My My messaging to them is like, this is a job.

1518
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:41,720
Speaker 15: We play a game, but this is a job, and

1519
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 15: we all get evaluated on a day to day basis

1520
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:47,080
Speaker 15: and obviously on game day and you know, we just

1521
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:49,840
Speaker 15: have to do better. And whether you know, I don't

1522
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:52,680
Speaker 15: really use that experience of me being a player, try

1523
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:55,160
Speaker 15: to coach everyone in their own unique style, but at

1524
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:56,840
Speaker 15: the same time, we've got to perform better.

1525
01:11:57,640 --> 01:12:02,920
Speaker 2: Thanks, Thank you, Agra.

1526
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:05,439
Speaker 11: I had a question about kind of the whys of

1527
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:07,080
Speaker 11: some of the you know, the things that you were

1528
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 11: talking about with the team. You know, you're saying they

1529
01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 11: played soft, and also kind of some of the comments,

1530
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:16,280
Speaker 11: uh afterwards with with Kendrick Born in particular about maybe

1531
01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:19,320
Speaker 11: guys weren't as engaged as they should be in off

1532
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:21,519
Speaker 11: the field, you know, off the field habits and things

1533
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:24,519
Speaker 11: of that nature. Why do you feel that there's kind

1534
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:27,400
Speaker 11: of what appears to be a disconnect between your overall

1535
01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:31,440
Speaker 11: messing if we need to be a hard, tough football team, engaged,

1536
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:33,960
Speaker 11: you know, playing for each other, and what seems to

1537
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:37,080
Speaker 11: be kind of developing on Sundays.

1538
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:40,360
Speaker 15: I didn't hear what what Kendrick said, but what I

1539
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:42,040
Speaker 15: will say, I'm not sure if he's talking about some

1540
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:46,000
Speaker 15: of the off the field issues that have kind of creeped.

1541
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:47,680
Speaker 2: Up here the last couple of weeks. Is that what

1542
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:49,720
Speaker 2: he was talking about. He was good guys staying up

1543
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:50,280
Speaker 2: too late.

1544
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:53,360
Speaker 11: You know, maybe maybe not having the best diet and

1545
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 11: off field preparation wasn't necessarily you know, off the field

1546
01:12:58,080 --> 01:12:58,839
Speaker 11: other aspects.

1547
01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:02,519
Speaker 15: That's part of being a professional. That's part of being

1548
01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:05,200
Speaker 15: a professional. This is your job, and your job's not

1549
01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 15: only inside this building, but also outside this building. Taking

1550
01:13:08,280 --> 01:13:10,000
Speaker 15: care of your body and all that stuff. That's that's

1551
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 15: part of it, and that equals longevity in this in

1552
01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:12,559
Speaker 15: this league.

1553
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:13,240
Speaker 2: You know.

1554
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:16,160
Speaker 15: For me, you know, the messaging is we just need

1555
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:19,040
Speaker 15: to get better. We have to do everything a little

1556
01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:22,120
Speaker 15: bit better. You look at the game yesterday. We started

1557
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:25,080
Speaker 15: off fast, we talked about starting fast, and then obviously

1558
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:27,559
Speaker 15: it was disappointing the end the half and really couldn't

1559
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:30,320
Speaker 15: get things started in the second half. And that just

1560
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:32,840
Speaker 15: comes through, you know, continue to grind, continue to push through.

1561
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:34,880
Speaker 15: So look, you want to get to heaven, you got

1562
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:36,640
Speaker 15: to go through hell sometimes and it may feel that

1563
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:39,160
Speaker 15: way right now, but hopefully.

1564
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:40,480
Speaker 2: We turn this around.

1565
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:45,240
Speaker 11: And just in terms of stopping go ahead, just in

1566
01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:48,439
Speaker 11: terms of stopping the run, that obviously been a glaring

1567
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:51,160
Speaker 11: weakness the last three weeks. What do you see there

1568
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:54,160
Speaker 11: is it the defensive line, is it filling gaps?

1569
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:56,040
Speaker 2: What's uh, what's the rationale.

1570
01:13:56,520 --> 01:13:59,320
Speaker 15: It's the it's the front seven, and we just have

1571
01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 15: to be more discipline and building a wall and defeating

1572
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:05,439
Speaker 15: blockers in front of us. It's not I mean, it's easy. Look,

1573
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:08,120
Speaker 15: it's not the exit of knows. We just have to

1574
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:11,040
Speaker 15: be where we're supposed to be. Last week it was

1575
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:13,280
Speaker 15: the big runs that really we talked about taking away

1576
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:15,160
Speaker 15: those three big runs and it's not a it's not

1577
01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:15,599
Speaker 15: a problem.

1578
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:18,280
Speaker 2: We're not even having this conversation. Yesterday it was.

1579
01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:20,479
Speaker 15: Almost like death by a thousand cuts, where it was

1580
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:23,920
Speaker 15: four yards, six yards, five yards, and that man, that's tough.

1581
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:25,960
Speaker 15: That's tough, and you know, I would like to see

1582
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:27,639
Speaker 15: her and say, you know, it's this guy.

1583
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:29,280
Speaker 2: That guy like, I'm not going to do that. It's

1584
01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:31,840
Speaker 2: all of us up front. Beg you.

1585
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:42,799
Speaker 18: Next next question, Jared Caryl's followed like Karen Gregan Taylor,

1586
01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:47,000
Speaker 18: All right, we'll go to Karen Gregain.

1587
01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:55,439
Speaker 20: Good morning, GIROD. When you hear of players speaking out,

1588
01:14:56,400 --> 01:15:02,320
Speaker 20: whether it's Kendrick Bourne or daniel Lequally this week, Devone Godshaw,

1589
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 20: previous weeks, do you see that as a method of

1590
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:12,960
Speaker 20: self policing or is it possible potential to create a

1591
01:15:13,040 --> 01:15:14,320
Speaker 20: divide in the room.

1592
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:17,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think it creates a divide in the

1593
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:17,559
Speaker 2: room at all.

1594
01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:19,800
Speaker 15: I think just how I use, you know, the media

1595
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:22,280
Speaker 15: sometimes for messaging. I think some of the players do

1596
01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:24,680
Speaker 15: the same thing. I'm not going to tell them, you know,

1597
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:27,719
Speaker 15: say this, say that. No, if that's how you feel,

1598
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:30,120
Speaker 15: If you feel like you're the best player, then go

1599
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:32,720
Speaker 15: out and do it. If you feel like you want

1600
01:15:32,720 --> 01:15:35,200
Speaker 15: to challenge your brother besides you, I mean, go out

1601
01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:35,720
Speaker 15: and do it.

1602
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:37,719
Speaker 2: Just you know. I think they use it as a tool,

1603
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:39,439
Speaker 2: you know, to get guys going.

1604
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 19: Thanks.

1605
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:46,599
Speaker 2: Next question to Cord Randall Rod.

1606
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:49,800
Speaker 11: I don't want to bread too much into social media,

1607
01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:54,040
Speaker 11: but Jalen posted then deleted a piece sign and mogians

1608
01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:55,400
Speaker 11: Instagram story after the game.

1609
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:57,360
Speaker 2: Some people interpreted that a certain way.

1610
01:15:57,720 --> 01:16:00,080
Speaker 12: I'm just wondering if you spoke to them about that,

1611
01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:03,280
Speaker 12: or of any reason to question his commitment to the team.

1612
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:05,560
Speaker 15: After I have not spoken about that and not on

1613
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:11,320
Speaker 15: question is his devotion to the team.

1614
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:13,600
Speaker 2: We'll give Taylor Kyle's another opportunity.

1615
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:16,639
Speaker 12: Yeah, sorry about that. Thank you for your time, coach.

1616
01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:19,960
Speaker 12: When it comes to some of the penalties and discipline errors.

1617
01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:21,519
Speaker 12: It seems like a lot of them lately have come

1618
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:24,559
Speaker 12: from veterans and sometimes captains. So I wonder as a coach,

1619
01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:26,960
Speaker 12: is it more discouraging when it's your leaders committing some

1620
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:30,000
Speaker 12: of those errors, And where's the fix when it is, again,

1621
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:31,960
Speaker 12: the guys that you look to for leadership kind of

1622
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:32,880
Speaker 12: committing those errors.

1623
01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:35,000
Speaker 15: Yeah, no matter who it is, whether you're a rookie

1624
01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:37,600
Speaker 15: or a veteran player, emanies are just unacceptable.

1625
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:40,120
Speaker 2: And you see what happened yesterday. You know, we jump

1626
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:41,639
Speaker 2: off sides and then they go.

1627
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:43,720
Speaker 15: For two points. It's like, we're all we're giving these

1628
01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 15: guys extra opportunities by shooting ourselves in the foot, and

1629
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:51,920
Speaker 15: that's just not good football. Thank you, thanks, and we'll

1630
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:53,679
Speaker 15: finish where we started. Mike Greece.

1631
01:16:55,040 --> 01:16:57,439
Speaker 16: Then it's sort of on the same lines as Dakota

1632
01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:01,840
Speaker 16: kJ Osborne posted some then on Instagram, like a text

1633
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:05,120
Speaker 16: exchange with his agent, and his agent said, we're we

1634
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:07,559
Speaker 16: have to figure out this situation or will work to

1635
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:11,680
Speaker 16: figure out this situation. I guess what is the situation

1636
01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:13,000
Speaker 16: with him.

1637
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:16,720
Speaker 2: That that's going on. I guess I'm not sure. I'm

1638
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:18,519
Speaker 2: not sure what the exact situation is.

1639
01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:21,640
Speaker 15: You know, he's probably frustrated because he's not playing as

1640
01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:24,160
Speaker 15: much as he must do. And you know, I understand

1641
01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:25,720
Speaker 15: that if you want, if you think you should be

1642
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:27,760
Speaker 15: out there on the field and not having those opportunities,

1643
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:30,960
Speaker 15: you will get frustrated. It's a natural human reaction. I

1644
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:32,759
Speaker 15: would I would hope that they would keep that stuff

1645
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:34,720
Speaker 15: in house. And I have that open door policy. If

1646
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:36,360
Speaker 15: he feels a certain type of way, he always has

1647
01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:38,800
Speaker 15: the ability to speak to me. But that's those guys

1648
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:41,320
Speaker 15: freedom speech. Thank he does.

1649
01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:45,400
Speaker 6: And now great moments in.

1650
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 5: History.

1651
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:50,639
Speaker 6: What's the top golf situation?

1652
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:51,439
Speaker 9: Tuesday?

1653
01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:52,719
Speaker 6: Tuesday night five?

1654
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:55,040
Speaker 5: You're going to play top Golf.

1655
01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:58,639
Speaker 6: We gotta pat thanks for inviting me. Oh, it's actually

1656
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:03,200
Speaker 6: for Mike's brother. It's for my brother. Wanted nothing more, pishaw,

1657
01:18:03,320 --> 01:18:03,680
Speaker 6: he's out.

1658
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:05,160
Speaker 9: He wanted nothing cameo.

1659
01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:07,160
Speaker 21: Yeah, they want He wanted nothing more than a cameo

1660
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:10,760
Speaker 21: from Hardy for our family secret Santa. I don't know.

1661
01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:12,799
Speaker 8: I didn't see the video, but he told me the story.

1662
01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:14,519
Speaker 21: Oh, and I have a video of my brother in

1663
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:15,120
Speaker 21: law opening.

1664
01:18:15,160 --> 01:18:16,559
Speaker 8: So Hardy was like, well, why don't we just go

1665
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:17,120
Speaker 8: to Top Golf?

1666
01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:20,040
Speaker 21: Cut my brother in law Golf's and so I had

1667
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:21,600
Speaker 21: the video, of course, o'hardy, but then I took a

1668
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:23,519
Speaker 21: video of my brother in law opening it, and like

1669
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:26,160
Speaker 21: you've never seen anyone more excited, and like when you heard.

1670
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:28,599
Speaker 6: Marilla is going to be there too, let's go.

1671
01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:32,120
Speaker 21: He's from Southie, Like, yeah, he was so excited.

1672
01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:35,200
Speaker 6: They love you, not like Hardy. You should have seen it.

1673
01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:37,680
Speaker 6: It was like Brady gave him the cameo when he

1674
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:38,800
Speaker 6: found out.

1675
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:41,599
Speaker 20: It's like a thirteen year old open like Taylor Swift

1676
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:43,719
Speaker 20: tickets under the tree.

1677
01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:46,839
Speaker 6: Wow, that's another great moment from.

1678
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:51,960
Speaker 5: All right back here on Patriots Unfiltered eight five five

1679
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:56,919
Speaker 5: past five hundred is the TPX Hotline podcast at patriots

1680
01:18:56,920 --> 01:19:00,400
Speaker 5: dot com. Is the email address. Once again, thank you

1681
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:05,599
Speaker 5: for everyone who is calling in, emailing in. Uh, hundreds

1682
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:07,840
Speaker 5: of emails coming in. Obviously we're not gonna be able

1683
01:19:07,880 --> 01:19:10,160
Speaker 5: to get to all of them, but why not. Yeah, well,

1684
01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:14,799
Speaker 5: let's take a phone call. Dennis is in East Boston.

1685
01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:23,439
Speaker 5: What's up, Dennis? Dennis up? Okay, let's go to Alex

1686
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:28,759
Speaker 5: and Augusta. Alex, what's up Alex?

1687
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:30,080
Speaker 6: Good job, Hardy?

1688
01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:36,800
Speaker 5: Wow. And finally Eldred in North Carolina. What's up, Eldred Bepepp?

1689
01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:41,200
Speaker 13: Hey, how doing to all?

1690
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:41,559
Speaker 5: Right?

1691
01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:46,879
Speaker 13: Okay, I just got a couple of questions the Boston

1692
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:50,719
Speaker 13: practice squad players, okay, and I know the practice squad

1693
01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:55,280
Speaker 13: players for reed, but just relacing and receiving and whatever.

1694
01:19:56,479 --> 01:19:59,800
Speaker 13: If I know anything about the judge job, yeah, hold back,

1695
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:02,040
Speaker 13: Mike Battle and.

1696
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:04,880
Speaker 6: Cornerback.

1697
01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:08,000
Speaker 5: And if I know anything.

1698
01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:11,640
Speaker 9: About show mathis actually got all of it. Yeah, ocewan,

1699
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:12,479
Speaker 9: I think that's how you say.

1700
01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:16,240
Speaker 6: That's twice by the way he was he was activated.

1701
01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:19,120
Speaker 6: But I have an opinion on everything. I have no

1702
01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:21,800
Speaker 6: opinion on those practice squad players, So yeah, I mean

1703
01:20:23,479 --> 01:20:24,280
Speaker 6: just what it's come to.

1704
01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:27,799
Speaker 9: Yeah, we also get questions a lot about Caleb Jones.

1705
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:31,280
Speaker 5: I know, believe me, they're not gonna be any better.

1706
01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:34,720
Speaker 9: This is what the Patriots like ones and twos look like.

1707
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:37,320
Speaker 9: Imagine what their threes and fours and fives on the

1708
01:20:37,320 --> 01:20:39,240
Speaker 9: practice squad looked like. Let me just put it to

1709
01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:39,680
Speaker 9: you that way.

1710
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:42,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's I know we're we're searching for anything else,

1711
01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:46,160
Speaker 5: but that's not where the answers are going to practice.

1712
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:53,120
Speaker 13: Rise up like a good one. Back in the day,

1713
01:20:53,479 --> 01:20:55,519
Speaker 13: they gave me picquad and they got better and they

1714
01:20:55,560 --> 01:20:56,120
Speaker 13: kept playing.

1715
01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:59,960
Speaker 9: But Craven LeBlanc, you know there was a.

1716
01:21:02,640 --> 01:21:04,880
Speaker 6: Keep going. I mean they've had guys that have come

1717
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:07,920
Speaker 6: off the practice squad and contributed, Like, yeah, that's extra

1718
01:21:08,240 --> 01:21:12,360
Speaker 6: special teamers, but they need top line. There's no impact

1719
01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:13,599
Speaker 6: player that you're going off.

1720
01:21:13,439 --> 01:21:15,599
Speaker 5: To practice squad. Thanks Eldrick, appreciate the.

1721
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:18,200
Speaker 8: Car Jalen Ragers play last night.

1722
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:19,800
Speaker 5: What did you do?

1723
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:23,639
Speaker 9: He caught the Chargers. He caught a bomb and then

1724
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:26,360
Speaker 9: got peanut punched at the end of the run and

1725
01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:29,400
Speaker 9: fumbled like on the goal line and the other team recovered.

1726
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:31,519
Speaker 9: But it was so Jalen Rager because he like made

1727
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:32,240
Speaker 9: a great play.

1728
01:21:32,439 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 6: Is that how they lost? With him thrown for all

1729
01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:37,240
Speaker 6: those yards? That was part of the I didn't see

1730
01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:40,320
Speaker 6: a single, didn't go out of the end zone. I

1731
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:41,680
Speaker 6: just saw the highlight. It looked like it went out.

1732
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:47,280
Speaker 9: Watching we watched most of the Arizona or not the

1733
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:49,960
Speaker 9: other game, not the airs of the Tampa Bay Baltimore game,

1734
01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:52,840
Speaker 9: but I flipped over to the other game for the

1735
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:56,400
Speaker 9: fourth quarter and like watching Herbert My that's like my

1736
01:21:56,520 --> 01:22:00,120
Speaker 9: biggest fear for Drake May is that he's gonna play

1737
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:02,759
Speaker 9: out of his mind, he's gonna have these great games

1738
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:05,760
Speaker 9: and like you're no one's gonna be uh, you know,

1739
01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:08,120
Speaker 9: thinking that he's not the guy or anything like that.

1740
01:22:08,160 --> 01:22:09,400
Speaker 6: It's a comp that he got a lot.

1741
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:13,240
Speaker 9: Yeah, but then the team is just not good enough

1742
01:22:13,280 --> 01:22:15,880
Speaker 9: around him and he's losing throwing for four hundred yards

1743
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:19,080
Speaker 9: and stuff like that. Like that's already happening like on

1744
01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:21,840
Speaker 9: like a little scale, and now like as he gets better,

1745
01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:23,839
Speaker 9: I'm worried that it's just gonna keep having.

1746
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:25,639
Speaker 6: Can I just use this opportunity. You know, we're talking

1747
01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:28,280
Speaker 6: a little bit about the two Monday night games last night.

1748
01:22:28,280 --> 01:22:29,559
Speaker 5: So public service House.

1749
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:32,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it's time for another meya Kalpa. And I

1750
01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:34,200
Speaker 6: know I've said this a couple of times during the

1751
01:22:34,240 --> 01:22:36,639
Speaker 6: course of the season, but I was I was pretty

1752
01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:39,640
Speaker 6: strong in my opinion that Dereck Henry was not a

1753
01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:43,040
Speaker 6: great fit for the Baltimore Ravens. As he's about to

1754
01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:45,600
Speaker 6: break Eric Dickerson sing rushing.

1755
01:22:45,320 --> 01:22:46,280
Speaker 9: Record, Yeah, I'm with you.

1756
01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:48,839
Speaker 6: So I just want to say, once again for the record,

1757
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:51,800
Speaker 6: I was wrong. Yet, well, you don't have feel for

1758
01:22:52,280 --> 01:22:55,559
Speaker 6: running backs plus Derek hen But Derek Henry's impact on

1759
01:22:55,600 --> 01:22:58,840
Speaker 6: that offense has been absolutely immense. Oh yeah, I thought

1760
01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:02,439
Speaker 6: that his style not be a perfect fit. But what

1761
01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:06,320
Speaker 6: it's done is just it's forced them. The defense is

1762
01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:10,800
Speaker 6: to treat him so much differently than you know what

1763
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:13,400
Speaker 6: the Gus bought. But Gus Edwards and you know the

1764
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:16,720
Speaker 6: Justice Hills and JK. Dobbins, you know, good you know,

1765
01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:19,080
Speaker 6: good players. But this guy is special. This guy's a

1766
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:22,040
Speaker 6: Hall of Famer. Obviously still has plenty left from the tank.

1767
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:24,479
Speaker 6: And did you see did you you didn't watch any

1768
01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:24,680
Speaker 6: of it?

1769
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:26,800
Speaker 8: I'm legally allowed.

1770
01:23:26,520 --> 01:23:29,519
Speaker 6: To eighty one yard run last night. Oh yeah, you

1771
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:32,120
Speaker 6: know you geeks, you know, twenty one miles an hour,

1772
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:36,839
Speaker 6: like don the slide. Yeah, Like, just again, I couldn't

1773
01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:38,280
Speaker 6: have been more wrong. He's been awesome.

1774
01:23:38,479 --> 01:23:40,400
Speaker 9: Yeah I was wrong about that one too, But through

1775
01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:43,360
Speaker 9: seven weeks, I think there's a real case that Lamar

1776
01:23:43,439 --> 01:23:43,920
Speaker 9: is the MVP.

1777
01:23:44,040 --> 01:23:47,800
Speaker 6: Again he was, which is just unbelievab. Yeah, I mean

1778
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:49,120
Speaker 6: just made it look easy.

1779
01:23:48,840 --> 01:23:51,920
Speaker 8: To somehow you still look at Kansas City and I'm like, well,

1780
01:23:51,320 --> 01:23:54,120
Speaker 8: I'm good luck Baltimore, But like Baltimore, like on paper

1781
01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:55,519
Speaker 8: now is looking better and better and better.

1782
01:23:55,560 --> 01:23:59,439
Speaker 6: But somehow the defense was a mess. Yeah, Baltimore's like

1783
01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:03,240
Speaker 6: the problems on that side of the ball lost Marlon Humphrey.

1784
01:24:03,680 --> 01:24:06,400
Speaker 9: It's a nonsense on defense.

1785
01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:09,839
Speaker 5: Sam from the North Shore Rights in discourse on social

1786
01:24:09,880 --> 01:24:14,559
Speaker 5: media from Patriots fans is ridiculous. Right now, Patriots Nation

1787
01:24:14,760 --> 01:24:17,960
Speaker 5: is expecting this collection of misfit toys to be greater

1788
01:24:18,040 --> 01:24:21,200
Speaker 5: than the sum of the parts. Like the Brady Belichick years,

1789
01:24:21,439 --> 01:24:25,320
Speaker 5: those days are gone. Slap any other's, any other team's

1790
01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:27,519
Speaker 5: logo on this roster and say, yeah, that's a three

1791
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:30,439
Speaker 5: win team. We're definitely the worst team in the AFC

1792
01:24:30,479 --> 01:24:34,280
Speaker 5: after that Jags loss, and probably the worst in the league.

1793
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:38,120
Speaker 5: Fans need a reality check that the retool on the

1794
01:24:38,120 --> 01:24:41,280
Speaker 5: Fly with Belichick and Mac failed. This is year one

1795
01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:44,120
Speaker 5: of a down to the Studs rebuild. We're looking at

1796
01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:47,760
Speaker 5: probably three to four seasons before we even sniff the

1797
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:51,439
Speaker 5: playoffs again. Ps loved the show and shout out to Evan.

1798
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:54,719
Speaker 5: I'm an Ithaca alumb as well. Go Bombers, Go Bombers.

1799
01:24:55,120 --> 01:24:56,880
Speaker 9: I agree with a lot of that email, not just

1800
01:24:56,920 --> 01:24:59,479
Speaker 9: because he went to Ithaca. I agree with a lot

1801
01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:02,400
Speaker 9: of that email. But there's a standard, like there's a

1802
01:25:02,439 --> 01:25:05,759
Speaker 9: standard of competitiveness they.

1803
01:25:05,640 --> 01:25:07,559
Speaker 6: Have not agree with any of these they haven't been

1804
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:10,639
Speaker 6: in a competitive game in since Week two.

1805
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:13,600
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean they were in against Miami technically, but

1806
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:17,519
Speaker 9: like during this six sixth game losing streak, Miami's, you know,

1807
01:25:17,640 --> 01:25:21,160
Speaker 9: really the only one that's been overly competitive beside Seattle,

1808
01:25:21,160 --> 01:25:25,479
Speaker 9: I guess. But like, there's a standard, there's a bar

1809
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:28,320
Speaker 9: of what's acceptable and what's not. No one was expecting

1810
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:29,800
Speaker 9: them to win a bunch of games. We all picked

1811
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:33,120
Speaker 9: them to win five games, four games, three games. But

1812
01:25:33,160 --> 01:25:36,360
Speaker 9: there's a level of standard. And I would also strongly

1813
01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:37,880
Speaker 9: disagree that it should take that long.

1814
01:25:38,200 --> 01:25:40,559
Speaker 6: That's the biggest part that I disagree with. That means

1815
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:42,760
Speaker 6: it failed. Yeah, if you're not a playoff team in

1816
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:46,160
Speaker 6: the next two or three years, like playoff caliber, then

1817
01:25:46,160 --> 01:25:49,200
Speaker 6: you failed because it shouldn't take that long in that league.

1818
01:25:49,479 --> 01:25:51,240
Speaker 6: I mean, Strake made didn't work, and you don't have.

1819
01:25:51,240 --> 01:25:53,640
Speaker 8: A coach that worked twenty twenty six, it's got to

1820
01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:56,639
Speaker 8: look a lot lot better two full off seasons.

1821
01:25:56,680 --> 01:26:00,719
Speaker 6: You know. But even if you use like Evans example,

1822
01:26:00,720 --> 01:26:04,400
Speaker 6: they just used of Justin Herbert and you'd say, like, okay,

1823
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:07,960
Speaker 6: well they're a playoff contender. I mean, they might not

1824
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:10,519
Speaker 6: make the playoffs this year, but they're a playoff contender,

1825
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:12,720
Speaker 6: and you know they're in the mix. Like, if you

1826
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:15,639
Speaker 6: can't get to that point in less than three years,

1827
01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:19,080
Speaker 6: then you failed. You know, it shouldn't take three or

1828
01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:22,560
Speaker 6: four more years after this, So you're just at the

1829
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:26,799
Speaker 6: you know, the standpoint where you can call yourself a playoff.

1830
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:28,519
Speaker 8: That was the mac Jones rebuild. This is the Drake

1831
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:30,040
Speaker 8: May and for better or worse, how it's gonna go

1832
01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:32,040
Speaker 8: with him over the next you know, four seasons plus.

1833
01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:34,360
Speaker 6: And the beginning part of the email that I disagreed

1834
01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:39,120
Speaker 6: with is, yeah, I understood that that. I thought if

1835
01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:41,479
Speaker 6: they didn't beat Seattle in Week two, there was a

1836
01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:44,639
Speaker 6: chance they were going to go to London winless. Okay,

1837
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:47,240
Speaker 6: they obviously won a game that I didn't think they

1838
01:26:47,240 --> 01:26:50,240
Speaker 6: were gonna win Cincinnati. The record is not taking me

1839
01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:53,240
Speaker 6: by surprise at all. Yeah, but the manner in which

1840
01:26:53,240 --> 01:26:55,720
Speaker 6: they're playing these games, and how sloppy they are, and

1841
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:58,439
Speaker 6: how many penalties they get, and how undisciplined they are,

1842
01:26:58,520 --> 01:27:00,800
Speaker 6: and all the squawking off the field that they do,

1843
01:27:00,920 --> 01:27:01,840
Speaker 6: I did not expect that.

1844
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:05,120
Speaker 8: No, I mean, but it's a difference between a five

1845
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:06,720
Speaker 8: and six win team, And this is what a one

1846
01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:09,080
Speaker 8: or two win team looks like right now, this is

1847
01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:09,639
Speaker 8: how bad it.

1848
01:27:09,640 --> 01:27:13,760
Speaker 6: But again it's not necessarily the record, it's how the

1849
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:16,720
Speaker 6: record is being compiled. Like last year, I thought the

1850
01:27:16,760 --> 01:27:21,200
Speaker 6: team stunk. They easily could have won two, three more games.

1851
01:27:21,960 --> 01:27:23,760
Speaker 6: It wouldn't have changed anything to me. I don't think

1852
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:26,960
Speaker 6: they were very talented. But this is like, this is

1853
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:29,240
Speaker 6: a mess right now. I didn't expect it to be

1854
01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:31,639
Speaker 6: to Look, I didn't expect to give up almost two

1855
01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:34,640
Speaker 6: hundred yards rushing, you know, weekly it's the collapse of

1856
01:27:34,680 --> 01:27:34,960
Speaker 6: the team.

1857
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:37,439
Speaker 9: It is. I keep coming back to it with Mayo,

1858
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:40,800
Speaker 9: like what what is his program? Like what what is

1859
01:27:40,840 --> 01:27:44,679
Speaker 9: he standing for? And like what is what's the vision here?

1860
01:27:44,720 --> 01:27:47,200
Speaker 9: Because like it's one thing to lose games on the field,

1861
01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:52,000
Speaker 9: but every head coach like has something to hang their

1862
01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:55,439
Speaker 9: hat on. Like maybe he's a culture builder, which is

1863
01:27:55,479 --> 01:27:57,519
Speaker 9: kind of what we got sold on. I would say

1864
01:27:57,520 --> 01:28:01,919
Speaker 9: the most so build the culture. Well, the culture stinks.

1865
01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:05,360
Speaker 9: The culture is falling apart, like you like Paul is saying, like,

1866
01:28:05,400 --> 01:28:07,960
Speaker 9: you know, guys are squawking off the field. Things are

1867
01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:10,439
Speaker 9: happening off the field, So the culture is not good.

1868
01:28:10,479 --> 01:28:13,160
Speaker 9: So we can't say that that's what he's building and

1869
01:28:13,200 --> 01:28:15,720
Speaker 9: then schematically they're not good either. So he's not an

1870
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:18,679
Speaker 9: ex's a nose guy. He's not a Kyle Shanahan type.

1871
01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:21,679
Speaker 9: That's you know, this wizard on the offensive or defensive

1872
01:28:21,680 --> 01:28:24,679
Speaker 9: side of the ball. So I'm just that's the part

1873
01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:27,240
Speaker 9: that's the most concerning, is like, what what is he

1874
01:28:27,479 --> 01:28:30,240
Speaker 9: bringing to the table right now? If he's not a

1875
01:28:30,280 --> 01:28:32,639
Speaker 9: culture builder or he's not an ex as the nose guy,

1876
01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:35,720
Speaker 9: it's just nothing. And that that's the standard that I'm

1877
01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:36,360
Speaker 9: talking about.

1878
01:28:37,640 --> 01:28:43,400
Speaker 5: Let's see who is this? Bryan says, hoping you'll read this.

1879
01:28:43,560 --> 01:28:45,320
Speaker 5: It was bad enough to lose the chat, but you've

1880
01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:48,200
Speaker 5: cut way back on email reads as well. Well, today's

1881
01:28:48,200 --> 01:28:51,360
Speaker 5: your lucky day fer number one. Time to end the

1882
01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:54,719
Speaker 5: pop joke. Thought he was getting bench heading into the game.

1883
01:28:54,760 --> 01:28:57,519
Speaker 5: Then he gets all those failed targets. Can we get

1884
01:28:57,600 --> 01:28:59,720
Speaker 5: him out of here? I'd even take a couple of

1885
01:28:59,720 --> 01:29:02,160
Speaker 5: bake or snaps at this point, he's had a long

1886
01:29:02,280 --> 01:29:03,519
Speaker 5: naughty chair time out.

1887
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:05,720
Speaker 6: Why did you think he was getting bench heading into

1888
01:29:05,720 --> 01:29:05,960
Speaker 6: the game.

1889
01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:09,280
Speaker 5: I didn't know that just because of performance. Maybe I

1890
01:29:09,280 --> 01:29:09,519
Speaker 5: don't know.

1891
01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:11,840
Speaker 6: I mean, I didn't think he was going to get benged.

1892
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:13,479
Speaker 6: I don't think you should have gotten banged.

1893
01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:16,320
Speaker 5: I if you listened to Gerrad, he thinks that this

1894
01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:17,320
Speaker 5: guy is going to be good.

1895
01:29:17,520 --> 01:29:21,320
Speaker 6: Now, maybe you know that the fact that the off

1896
01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:23,680
Speaker 6: field stuff is continuing. Maybe at some point you have

1897
01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:25,760
Speaker 6: to think about that, because that's the only thing that

1898
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:26,880
Speaker 6: really gets anyone's attention.

1899
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:29,800
Speaker 9: I think a mental time out would do him a

1900
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:30,240
Speaker 9: lot of.

1901
01:29:30,840 --> 01:29:34,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, seems like the whole product on the field is

1902
01:29:34,439 --> 01:29:37,760
Speaker 5: completely unacceptable. Fans deserve more. I'm a fanboy who was

1903
01:29:37,800 --> 01:29:40,519
Speaker 5: all signed up for a long, slow rebuild, but thought

1904
01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:43,280
Speaker 5: i'd get a competitive game once in a while. Remember

1905
01:29:43,320 --> 01:29:46,639
Speaker 5: take him to the hill? Well they died on that hill.

1906
01:29:46,720 --> 01:29:49,679
Speaker 5: Some flashes on. Oh but the d is broken. Something

1907
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:52,599
Speaker 5: big needs to change. But where to start? Which leak

1908
01:29:52,640 --> 01:29:58,479
Speaker 5: do you plug first? Where did Bourne say that we

1909
01:29:58,520 --> 01:29:59,960
Speaker 5: get tired on these long drives?

1910
01:30:00,600 --> 01:30:03,120
Speaker 6: Did he just say that today? No, it's a herald

1911
01:30:03,160 --> 01:30:03,679
Speaker 6: after the game?

1912
01:30:03,800 --> 01:30:05,759
Speaker 5: Oh did he? What's that all about?

1913
01:30:06,080 --> 01:30:09,000
Speaker 6: I don't know. He said that we're not doing what

1914
01:30:09,040 --> 01:30:12,160
Speaker 6: we need to do. I'm paraphrasing, taking care of ourselves

1915
01:30:12,200 --> 01:30:15,719
Speaker 6: off the field, getting in late, not uh, not eating

1916
01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:17,080
Speaker 6: right and blah blah blah.

1917
01:30:17,080 --> 01:30:19,240
Speaker 9: So that's why we could have been talking about, Yeah,

1918
01:30:19,280 --> 01:30:22,600
Speaker 9: well maybe the guy that was sick from hope.

1919
01:30:26,080 --> 01:30:28,160
Speaker 8: I just I was making the joke to Paul Place

1920
01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:30,960
Speaker 8: like like when these teams, like you listen all week

1921
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:32,960
Speaker 8: and they talk about like Pepper when we're ready, you know,

1922
01:30:33,000 --> 01:30:34,559
Speaker 8: haze the barn, like that kind of thing, and then

1923
01:30:34,600 --> 01:30:36,719
Speaker 8: like this is just the Patriots. There's a lot of teams,

1924
01:30:36,720 --> 01:30:38,280
Speaker 8: but then like they lose and whin five minutes to

1925
01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:40,960
Speaker 8: lose and they're just like we're not doing enough, Like did.

1926
01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:42,439
Speaker 6: You realize that three hours ago?

1927
01:30:42,680 --> 01:30:44,600
Speaker 8: Like or does that just like occur to you in

1928
01:30:44,680 --> 01:30:45,920
Speaker 8: this last game and you're not doing it?

1929
01:30:46,120 --> 01:30:46,400
Speaker 9: Like you know?

1930
01:30:46,439 --> 01:30:48,680
Speaker 8: And I guess there's no other response really other than

1931
01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:49,160
Speaker 8: we just.

1932
01:30:49,200 --> 01:30:49,720
Speaker 6: Got to go back.

1933
01:30:50,200 --> 01:30:52,439
Speaker 9: That's the part that's so disappointing to me is because

1934
01:30:52,520 --> 01:30:54,800
Speaker 9: like I this is that that's the type of stuff

1935
01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:58,479
Speaker 9: that I didn't think Drod Mayo would stand for. Like

1936
01:30:58,520 --> 01:31:01,240
Speaker 9: I felt like that was what he was going to

1937
01:31:01,280 --> 01:31:04,759
Speaker 9: bring to the table, work ethic culture, you know, locker

1938
01:31:04,840 --> 01:31:06,160
Speaker 9: room camaraderie, like.

1939
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:07,759
Speaker 6: All stick together, like all that.

1940
01:31:07,720 --> 01:31:10,320
Speaker 9: Kind of stuff, and and they just aren't, like they

1941
01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:13,280
Speaker 9: are just coming apart at the seam. And it just

1942
01:31:14,040 --> 01:31:17,719
Speaker 9: I can understand that you're not a Bill Belichick football mind,

1943
01:31:17,840 --> 01:31:20,040
Speaker 9: that you aren't seeing the x's and o's at this

1944
01:31:20,200 --> 01:31:23,760
Speaker 9: like higher plane that no one else can possibly reach.

1945
01:31:23,960 --> 01:31:26,719
Speaker 9: But you got you gotta bring something to the table.

1946
01:31:27,479 --> 01:31:27,599
Speaker 6: Uh.

1947
01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:32,639
Speaker 5: Franklin and Baltimore's says he disagrees with that email. Stop

1948
01:31:32,720 --> 01:31:35,639
Speaker 5: with the straw Man argument that the Patriots fans expected

1949
01:31:35,720 --> 01:31:39,360
Speaker 5: instant gratification. Most fans knew this rebuild was going to

1950
01:31:39,560 --> 01:31:42,760
Speaker 5: result in a bunch of losses, but no one expected

1951
01:31:43,160 --> 01:31:48,320
Speaker 5: further dysfunction, inconsistent messaging, and a nobody jackwagon with Stonehands

1952
01:31:48,360 --> 01:31:50,960
Speaker 5: saying he's the best in the league, Like, come on.

1953
01:31:51,720 --> 01:31:53,640
Speaker 6: So I agree with that. I don't think there's been

1954
01:31:53,680 --> 01:31:55,599
Speaker 6: a lot of people that are like stunged that they

1955
01:31:55,680 --> 01:31:58,639
Speaker 6: want in six like, oh my god, we wanted they're

1956
01:31:58,640 --> 01:32:01,320
Speaker 6: getting blown up. Under was like four and a half

1957
01:32:02,520 --> 01:32:05,559
Speaker 6: for wins. The win the win total in Vegas, right, Like,

1958
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:07,280
Speaker 6: I don't think there's a lot of people's stunts that

1959
01:32:07,320 --> 01:32:09,840
Speaker 6: they're having a hard time winning games. They're stunned at

1960
01:32:09,840 --> 01:32:12,559
Speaker 6: the manner in which it's taking place. Like, I don't

1961
01:32:12,560 --> 01:32:17,120
Speaker 6: think people expected the amount of mistakes every week that

1962
01:32:17,200 --> 01:32:20,559
Speaker 6: are just being repeated that are not they don't take talent.

1963
01:32:20,840 --> 01:32:23,040
Speaker 6: It's the Austin Hooper thing. I go back to Hooper

1964
01:32:23,040 --> 01:32:25,559
Speaker 6: in the preseason. Hooper drives the boat mic.

1965
01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:27,400
Speaker 8: Right, And then I don't think you'd feel as sad

1966
01:32:27,400 --> 01:32:29,640
Speaker 8: about it if you felt like the team was all

1967
01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:32,000
Speaker 8: kind of together at least, And you know, and I

1968
01:32:32,040 --> 01:32:33,800
Speaker 8: know a lot of teams they start to lose and

1969
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:36,280
Speaker 8: it starts to come apart. And but I just I mean,

1970
01:32:36,320 --> 01:32:38,880
Speaker 8: like I look at gotchawing a quality. I mean, to me,

1971
01:32:38,920 --> 01:32:41,000
Speaker 8: almost feels like they're like talking to each other through

1972
01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:43,960
Speaker 8: the press, like someone I want, you know, quality saying

1973
01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:46,800
Speaker 8: some guys have higher opinions than themselves, and you know,

1974
01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:48,439
Speaker 8: and you know, it's.

1975
01:32:48,240 --> 01:32:48,920
Speaker 9: Just like that.

1976
01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:50,439
Speaker 8: I mean, who else is who else can have a

1977
01:32:50,520 --> 01:32:52,479
Speaker 8: higher opinion themselves on the defense?

1978
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:54,120
Speaker 9: Then I mean, he's the only guy that has.

1979
01:32:55,080 --> 01:32:57,640
Speaker 6: And I get it, Like listen, I don't watch The

1980
01:32:57,720 --> 01:33:00,240
Speaker 6: All twenty two, and this for once, I'm not making

1981
01:33:00,280 --> 01:33:02,920
Speaker 6: fun of you. I don't watch The All twenty two.

1982
01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:06,160
Speaker 6: And I know that he is very highly rated analytically

1983
01:33:06,280 --> 01:33:09,439
Speaker 6: to von gotcha right, But I'm sorry, when you're in

1984
01:33:09,479 --> 01:33:11,960
Speaker 6: the middle of a defense that allows two hundred yards rushing,

1985
01:33:12,040 --> 01:33:13,679
Speaker 6: I don't care how good you are. You're not doing

1986
01:33:13,680 --> 01:33:17,120
Speaker 6: your job like something is happening. That's that's allowing this

1987
01:33:17,240 --> 01:33:20,439
Speaker 6: to break down. You can't take your bows, even if

1988
01:33:20,439 --> 01:33:24,160
Speaker 6: you're doing your job every play, it's not the time

1989
01:33:24,200 --> 01:33:26,880
Speaker 6: to take a bow. So I can understand it. If

1990
01:33:26,920 --> 01:33:28,880
Speaker 6: you're right, Mike, and a Quality is kind of talking

1991
01:33:28,880 --> 01:33:30,240
Speaker 6: about his guy that's lined up.

1992
01:33:30,680 --> 01:33:32,320
Speaker 8: I'm just trying to read between the lines. But it's

1993
01:33:32,800 --> 01:33:34,599
Speaker 8: to me, it's like with these guys, it's like sometimes

1994
01:33:34,600 --> 01:33:36,840
Speaker 8: they make plays. It's like, you know, sometimes Daniel Quality

1995
01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:39,400
Speaker 8: plays okay, and then like.

1996
01:33:39,360 --> 01:33:41,200
Speaker 6: A couple of plays, Anthony Jennings is like in.

1997
01:33:41,160 --> 01:33:44,160
Speaker 9: The backfield, had some times for loss, like.

1998
01:33:44,120 --> 01:33:45,200
Speaker 6: I don't see him going out.

1999
01:33:45,560 --> 01:33:48,920
Speaker 8: I'm setting my edge maddening, And yeah, they can do

2000
01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:50,559
Speaker 8: it at times. I would just say, like one thing

2001
01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:53,559
Speaker 8: about change, Like I would explore options that middle linebacker

2002
01:33:53,680 --> 01:33:56,720
Speaker 8: out there, whatever's out there, I would consider it. I

2003
01:33:56,800 --> 01:33:58,880
Speaker 8: just I mean, I mean why or something. Now, I

2004
01:33:58,920 --> 01:34:01,120
Speaker 8: would just try to throw somebody in there for competent play.

2005
01:34:01,200 --> 01:34:02,479
Speaker 6: But you can't give anything up.

2006
01:34:02,640 --> 01:34:04,920
Speaker 8: No, I'm not saying I would. I'm not saying go

2007
01:34:05,120 --> 01:34:07,200
Speaker 8: and trade. I would just look for answers. I would

2008
01:34:07,240 --> 01:34:07,840
Speaker 8: start turning over.

2009
01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:09,680
Speaker 6: I would try to acquire as many draft picks as

2010
01:34:09,680 --> 01:34:10,680
Speaker 6: they can because.

2011
01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:11,880
Speaker 8: I mean, and I'm not saying that that's gonna make

2012
01:34:11,880 --> 01:34:13,720
Speaker 8: a difference. I mean, this guy might be you know,

2013
01:34:14,240 --> 01:34:15,880
Speaker 8: somebody who's almost out of the league. But I just

2014
01:34:15,960 --> 01:34:18,000
Speaker 8: I think that the level of play behind these guys,

2015
01:34:18,040 --> 01:34:20,160
Speaker 8: like the front, I feel like at times you see

2016
01:34:20,160 --> 01:34:22,080
Speaker 8: them make plays, and you see them like I think,

2017
01:34:22,120 --> 01:34:24,200
Speaker 8: you're not capable of doing it at times. It's just

2018
01:34:24,240 --> 01:34:24,879
Speaker 8: never consistent.

2019
01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:26,880
Speaker 9: But the second level, I don't see them.

2020
01:34:26,920 --> 01:34:30,800
Speaker 5: Every team has players that at times makes a play

2021
01:34:31,240 --> 01:34:31,559
Speaker 5: out there.

2022
01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:34,240
Speaker 8: I mean, but well, I say, the line are not

2023
01:34:34,520 --> 01:34:35,840
Speaker 8: are not capable of.

2024
01:34:36,320 --> 01:34:38,760
Speaker 5: You got to do it, you know, to get off

2025
01:34:38,760 --> 01:34:40,880
Speaker 5: the field. You can't just do a one pro drive.

2026
01:34:41,800 --> 01:34:43,880
Speaker 9: I agree with Mike on this so much. With the line.

2027
01:34:43,920 --> 01:34:46,720
Speaker 9: The linebacker play is deplorable. Like I I don't like,

2028
01:34:46,760 --> 01:34:48,240
Speaker 9: I don't even know what word to use.

2029
01:34:48,360 --> 01:34:50,360
Speaker 6: Like it is, that's a good one. It is.

2030
01:34:50,640 --> 01:34:52,200
Speaker 8: It's what it looks like when a team doesn't have

2031
01:34:52,280 --> 01:34:55,320
Speaker 8: linebackers who make plays. I mean, that's you know, usually

2032
01:34:55,600 --> 01:34:56,479
Speaker 8: the functional lineback.

2033
01:34:57,320 --> 01:34:59,240
Speaker 6: So we're just putting this down so and and I

2034
01:34:59,360 --> 01:35:01,800
Speaker 6: like your Bentley, but we're just like you take one

2035
01:35:01,800 --> 01:35:04,439
Speaker 6: guy out and they just don't have NFL. No.

2036
01:35:05,320 --> 01:35:07,400
Speaker 9: I actually think a lot of it though, you know,

2037
01:35:07,720 --> 01:35:09,559
Speaker 9: like in their defense. And again I said the beginning

2038
01:35:09,600 --> 01:35:11,240
Speaker 9: of the show, like I think Jelani Devi is a

2039
01:35:11,240 --> 01:35:12,960
Speaker 9: good player, Like, so I don't think that. I think

2040
01:35:12,960 --> 01:35:15,519
Speaker 9: this is more about usage with ta VI than it

2041
01:35:15,600 --> 01:35:19,320
Speaker 9: is about his talent level. But it all feeds together,

2042
01:35:19,439 --> 01:35:22,160
Speaker 9: especially in the two gapping system where if the guys

2043
01:35:22,240 --> 01:35:24,639
Speaker 9: up front aren't eating those blocks and they're not doing

2044
01:35:24,680 --> 01:35:27,599
Speaker 9: their jobs on the line of scrimmage, now those blockers

2045
01:35:27,640 --> 01:35:29,679
Speaker 9: are getting up to the second level and they're getting

2046
01:35:29,680 --> 01:35:32,720
Speaker 9: on the linebackers, and now the linebackers are dealing with that.

2047
01:35:33,000 --> 01:35:35,360
Speaker 6: So that's I think it's everybody.

2048
01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:38,400
Speaker 9: It all feeds together into each other. But I just

2049
01:35:38,439 --> 01:35:41,400
Speaker 9: look at the linebackers right now, and it's when they

2050
01:35:41,439 --> 01:35:44,760
Speaker 9: do get me met by blocker, like they can't get

2051
01:35:44,760 --> 01:35:48,360
Speaker 9: off blocks, and sometimes they're getting blocked by like tight ends,

2052
01:35:48,439 --> 01:35:51,759
Speaker 9: like it's not even getting blocked by by offensive linemen,

2053
01:35:52,240 --> 01:35:54,000
Speaker 9: and not to mention the issues that they have in

2054
01:35:54,160 --> 01:35:57,200
Speaker 9: coverage at that spot. But I don't think it's just Bentley.

2055
01:35:57,200 --> 01:36:00,599
Speaker 9: I think bar more, you know, clogging up space and

2056
01:36:00,640 --> 01:36:03,840
Speaker 9: taking on guys and defeating blocks is a big thing.

2057
01:36:03,880 --> 01:36:06,960
Speaker 9: I think Jabriel Peppers coming downhill at the line of

2058
01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:09,599
Speaker 9: scrimmage and blowing up plays is a big deal and

2059
01:36:09,640 --> 01:36:10,960
Speaker 9: not having those I was.

2060
01:36:10,920 --> 01:36:13,080
Speaker 6: Just talking specifically about the linebacker play.

2061
01:36:13,280 --> 01:36:16,080
Speaker 5: About how about you know, I mean, it wasn't great

2062
01:36:16,280 --> 01:36:18,600
Speaker 5: in this last year or two, but Lawrence.

2063
01:36:18,280 --> 01:36:21,160
Speaker 9: Guy, Yeah, it could be part of it too. Like

2064
01:36:21,240 --> 01:36:24,240
Speaker 9: I just Bentley to me, if you want to look

2065
01:36:24,240 --> 01:36:27,880
Speaker 9: at specifically Bentley and the linebackers, it's it's almost like

2066
01:36:27,920 --> 01:36:32,040
Speaker 9: they got worse at two positions because Bentley comes off

2067
01:36:32,040 --> 01:36:34,360
Speaker 9: the field, so Devi has to go to Bentley's spot,

2068
01:36:34,400 --> 01:36:36,800
Speaker 9: and then now Devi's position is worse because Devi is

2069
01:36:36,840 --> 01:36:37,799
Speaker 9: not playing his spike.

2070
01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:40,080
Speaker 6: And I talked about that in the pregame show like

2071
01:36:41,040 --> 01:36:42,080
Speaker 6: three or four weeks ago.

2072
01:36:42,160 --> 01:36:42,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2073
01:36:42,560 --> 01:36:45,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, I just think Tavia, like Jets game, I think

2074
01:36:45,120 --> 01:36:46,760
Speaker 8: he is a good player, and I just I think

2075
01:36:46,920 --> 01:36:48,960
Speaker 8: there isn't a player on the roster right now that

2076
01:36:49,000 --> 01:36:51,120
Speaker 8: can allow him to go back to being that good player.

2077
01:36:51,360 --> 01:36:53,000
Speaker 8: And he's just gonna have to fight through it and

2078
01:36:53,040 --> 01:36:55,640
Speaker 8: try to figure out how to operate inside, how to

2079
01:36:55,640 --> 01:36:58,200
Speaker 8: get you know, through blocks. It's not his thing, and

2080
01:36:58,240 --> 01:37:00,519
Speaker 8: it's just and I think, like the jumping off side stuff,

2081
01:37:00,600 --> 01:37:03,280
Speaker 8: like talked about how angry he was all last week,

2082
01:37:03,320 --> 01:37:05,479
Speaker 8: Like it just feels like he is swimming it right now.

2083
01:37:05,520 --> 01:37:08,120
Speaker 8: It's all on him. There's no one to really help him,

2084
01:37:08,120 --> 01:37:10,040
Speaker 8: and he feels like he can't really do it, and

2085
01:37:10,080 --> 01:37:12,559
Speaker 8: I just it's got to be really frustrating. It's frustrating

2086
01:37:12,600 --> 01:37:14,519
Speaker 8: to watch, and I feel for him because I do

2087
01:37:14,560 --> 01:37:15,719
Speaker 8: agree with Evan that he can play.

2088
01:37:15,720 --> 01:37:17,760
Speaker 5: But I mean, let's face it, this is where you

2089
01:37:18,640 --> 01:37:23,560
Speaker 5: miss Bill Belichick the most. You know, his ability with

2090
01:37:23,760 --> 01:37:26,679
Speaker 5: duct tape in bailing wire was better than any.

2091
01:37:26,600 --> 01:37:28,600
Speaker 6: That's Evans's point, Like, you know, you're supposed to be

2092
01:37:28,640 --> 01:37:31,439
Speaker 6: a defensive minded coach. You should be doing something to

2093
01:37:31,439 --> 01:37:34,360
Speaker 6: fix this, because again, I don't think stopping the run

2094
01:37:34,520 --> 01:37:38,080
Speaker 6: is just about talent, Like this should not be happening.

2095
01:37:38,080 --> 01:37:39,880
Speaker 6: You should be able to scheme it up and say

2096
01:37:39,920 --> 01:37:42,760
Speaker 6: you're not running anymore, do something else. I'm gonna make

2097
01:37:42,800 --> 01:37:44,720
Speaker 6: you do something else, but you're not. Like, if you're

2098
01:37:44,760 --> 01:37:47,800
Speaker 6: Anthony Jennings, could you come after this game and say

2099
01:37:47,840 --> 01:37:50,719
Speaker 6: they didn't run anything wide, Everything was between the tackles.

2100
01:37:51,280 --> 01:37:53,479
Speaker 6: They're running right at the gut right at you. They're not.

2101
01:37:53,880 --> 01:37:58,840
Speaker 6: They're not disguising anything. They're not sending multiple guys, you know, misdirection.

2102
01:37:58,920 --> 01:38:01,280
Speaker 6: It was just lining up and pounding the ball straight

2103
01:38:01,320 --> 01:38:03,240
Speaker 6: ahead and they couldn't stop it. Like you should be

2104
01:38:03,280 --> 01:38:05,760
Speaker 6: able to scheme that and just say you're not doing

2105
01:38:05,800 --> 01:38:06,639
Speaker 6: it that way anymore.

2106
01:38:06,800 --> 01:38:10,760
Speaker 9: Yeah, I just wonder, you know, with the way that

2107
01:38:10,960 --> 01:38:13,400
Speaker 9: they've always been a two gapping front. They've always been

2108
01:38:13,439 --> 01:38:15,600
Speaker 9: that way. But if you don't have the horses to

2109
01:38:15,680 --> 01:38:18,040
Speaker 9: two gap, and they don't have guys that can take

2110
01:38:18,080 --> 01:38:20,840
Speaker 9: on those blocks and hold up those blocks and plug

2111
01:38:20,920 --> 01:38:24,840
Speaker 9: multiple gaps and things like that, like they got to

2112
01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:26,040
Speaker 9: be more aggressive, Like.

2113
01:38:26,080 --> 01:38:28,960
Speaker 5: Maybe you change there how you do it. You don't

2114
01:38:29,000 --> 01:38:29,759
Speaker 5: two gap it.

2115
01:38:29,680 --> 01:38:32,760
Speaker 9: Right exactly like what I'm saying, Like, you know, if

2116
01:38:32,760 --> 01:38:34,840
Speaker 9: you have I think one thing that stands out to

2117
01:38:34,880 --> 01:38:38,439
Speaker 9: me with their they're pretty small in the front seven now,

2118
01:38:38,840 --> 01:38:41,040
Speaker 9: like they you know, Christian Ellis is playing a ton

2119
01:38:41,120 --> 01:38:44,800
Speaker 9: and he's really not a thumper, Like he's not, you know,

2120
01:38:44,840 --> 01:38:47,080
Speaker 9: a two hundred and fifty pound linebacker. You know, some

2121
01:38:47,120 --> 01:38:50,200
Speaker 9: of these other guys like jaquainn Roy has played pretty

2122
01:38:50,200 --> 01:38:52,479
Speaker 9: well for considering where he came from. And the fact

2123
01:38:52,520 --> 01:38:54,800
Speaker 9: he's a practice squad guy, but they're like playing him

2124
01:38:54,840 --> 01:38:57,760
Speaker 9: some nose tackle. He's not a nose tackle. He's not

2125
01:38:57,800 --> 01:39:00,439
Speaker 9: that big. He's not you know, God shows high even

2126
01:39:00,520 --> 01:39:02,960
Speaker 9: or you know, even bigger than that. So like, let

2127
01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:04,760
Speaker 9: some of those guys get up the field, Like, yeah,

2128
01:39:04,760 --> 01:39:07,320
Speaker 9: they might miss sometimes, but at least they might make

2129
01:39:07,400 --> 01:39:09,320
Speaker 9: some plays in the backfield every once in a while.

2130
01:39:09,479 --> 01:39:11,200
Speaker 8: I think this is the hard thing with I mean,

2131
01:39:11,200 --> 01:39:13,040
Speaker 8: there's a number of things that are hard with moving

2132
01:39:13,040 --> 01:39:16,360
Speaker 8: on from Bill, but this defense was built a certain way,

2133
01:39:16,600 --> 01:39:19,200
Speaker 8: and it was kind of at Bill's disposal to use it,

2134
01:39:19,240 --> 01:39:21,639
Speaker 8: to deploy it as he saw fit from week to week.

2135
01:39:22,120 --> 01:39:24,400
Speaker 8: But ultimately, you never really had a defense that had

2136
01:39:24,400 --> 01:39:27,320
Speaker 8: a pure base. Now this is what we are. You know,

2137
01:39:27,360 --> 01:39:28,760
Speaker 8: a lot of teams, you just look at them. They're

2138
01:39:28,760 --> 01:39:30,720
Speaker 8: a four to three defense. Their two defensive ends are

2139
01:39:30,720 --> 01:39:32,040
Speaker 8: going to rush the pad. We've seen a couple of

2140
01:39:32,040 --> 01:39:34,080
Speaker 8: them over the last couple of weeks. That's who those

2141
01:39:34,080 --> 01:39:36,439
Speaker 8: defenses are. And so it's just it's so hard to

2142
01:39:36,479 --> 01:39:39,639
Speaker 8: pass the baton on that kind of defense when really

2143
01:39:39,680 --> 01:39:41,920
Speaker 8: the skill of the defense was that they could kind

2144
01:39:41,920 --> 01:39:43,519
Speaker 8: of do what they wanted to and now you're trying

2145
01:39:43,520 --> 01:39:47,000
Speaker 8: to ask a new defensive coordinator to deploy what he wants,

2146
01:39:47,040 --> 01:39:49,760
Speaker 8: but with limited amounts of pieces, and there's nothing that

2147
01:39:49,800 --> 01:39:51,280
Speaker 8: they can go back to. It's not like, you know,

2148
01:39:51,360 --> 01:39:52,840
Speaker 8: we've seen him try to go back to the three

2149
01:39:52,920 --> 01:39:53,519
Speaker 8: four defense.

2150
01:39:53,520 --> 01:39:54,200
Speaker 5: That's what you know.

2151
01:39:54,200 --> 01:39:56,080
Speaker 8: When Bill's defenses would get run on and they were

2152
01:39:56,120 --> 01:39:58,400
Speaker 8: getting gashed, they go back to the three to four

2153
01:39:58,720 --> 01:40:00,920
Speaker 8: their base defense. Their first sy installed. This is how

2154
01:40:00,920 --> 01:40:02,639
Speaker 8: we stopped the run, and they would stop the run

2155
01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:03,880
Speaker 8: to passepoint, that's what.

2156
01:40:03,840 --> 01:40:04,320
Speaker 6: They would do.

2157
01:40:04,840 --> 01:40:06,760
Speaker 8: They don't they don't have that. They have nothing to

2158
01:40:06,880 --> 01:40:09,000
Speaker 8: kind of lean on. And I wonder, as Ellie Wolf

2159
01:40:09,040 --> 01:40:11,880
Speaker 8: has to try to rebuild this defense next year, what

2160
01:40:11,880 --> 01:40:14,080
Speaker 8: do you rebuild to because there's not really a set

2161
01:40:14,120 --> 01:40:16,920
Speaker 8: formula of what we need this pass rushing defensive, Like

2162
01:40:17,000 --> 01:40:18,960
Speaker 8: you really could say you need anything right now with

2163
01:40:19,000 --> 01:40:20,920
Speaker 8: this defense. You could take any kind of tackle would

2164
01:40:20,920 --> 01:40:23,040
Speaker 8: fit for Bill. He would use any of those things.

2165
01:40:23,040 --> 01:40:25,559
Speaker 8: So and I look at the linebacker position too, Bentley,

2166
01:40:25,600 --> 01:40:28,200
Speaker 8: I mean I really like Bentley. I wouldn't say I

2167
01:40:28,240 --> 01:40:29,920
Speaker 8: love him and think that he is one of those

2168
01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:33,040
Speaker 8: Ray Lewis type, you know, game changing inside linebackers. But

2169
01:40:33,400 --> 01:40:34,720
Speaker 8: what do you do with that position now?

2170
01:40:34,760 --> 01:40:36,080
Speaker 6: I mean, I because you've seen.

2171
01:40:35,920 --> 01:40:38,639
Speaker 8: What happens without him, You're gonna need at least somebody

2172
01:40:38,720 --> 01:40:40,559
Speaker 8: waiting in the wings who has some size that can

2173
01:40:40,600 --> 01:40:42,000
Speaker 8: do what you want to do. But I think they

2174
01:40:42,080 --> 01:40:44,879
Speaker 8: might have to redefine what their defensive philosophy of the Newton.

2175
01:40:44,760 --> 01:40:48,080
Speaker 9: Patriots, Well, but what is there, Like they don't have one?

2176
01:40:48,320 --> 01:40:49,960
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's what I mean, you define it.

2177
01:40:50,400 --> 01:40:52,200
Speaker 9: And like maybe that used to like to your point,

2178
01:40:52,280 --> 01:40:53,960
Speaker 9: that used to work in the past, where they could

2179
01:40:54,000 --> 01:40:55,920
Speaker 9: just go game plan the game plan. But I think

2180
01:40:55,920 --> 01:40:58,720
Speaker 9: the frustrating part to me with their defense now is that,

2181
01:40:59,040 --> 01:41:02,519
Speaker 9: like you can't do that, So, like, can we find

2182
01:41:02,600 --> 01:41:05,080
Speaker 9: two things that you're good at and just keep doing

2183
01:41:05,200 --> 01:41:07,640
Speaker 9: those two things, Like if you're good at stopping in

2184
01:41:07,640 --> 01:41:10,559
Speaker 9: the run in one front or one personnel grouping, or

2185
01:41:10,600 --> 01:41:13,120
Speaker 9: you're good in third down and one you know, type

2186
01:41:13,120 --> 01:41:16,519
Speaker 9: of coverage or whatever, just run it. Yeah, Like and

2187
01:41:16,600 --> 01:41:19,479
Speaker 9: at this point, I I there's other defenses and there's

2188
01:41:19,479 --> 01:41:22,559
Speaker 9: other systems, and you always go back to those Seattle teams.

2189
01:41:22,800 --> 01:41:27,599
Speaker 9: They ran the same coverage all game long. They never changed.

2190
01:41:27,720 --> 01:41:30,599
Speaker 9: They ran the same coverage, but they had great players

2191
01:41:30,680 --> 01:41:33,479
Speaker 9: running that defense, so they didn't need to be this

2192
01:41:33,720 --> 01:41:38,160
Speaker 9: like a meeba, you know, disguise heavy. Yeah, they ran

2193
01:41:38,240 --> 01:41:41,240
Speaker 9: Mabel every single play like it was just like the

2194
01:41:41,320 --> 01:41:41,800
Speaker 9: same thing.

2195
01:41:41,880 --> 01:41:44,080
Speaker 6: Bill used to say that about the Giants. You know,

2196
01:41:44,120 --> 01:41:46,080
Speaker 6: when he was with the Giants, Parcels would get on

2197
01:41:46,160 --> 01:41:48,120
Speaker 6: him because he always wanted to tinker. And then the

2198
01:41:48,160 --> 01:41:50,360
Speaker 6: way games they would just come out and play literally

2199
01:41:50,520 --> 01:41:53,000
Speaker 6: ninety five percent of the time in base defense with

2200
01:41:53,040 --> 01:41:54,519
Speaker 6: two deep safety.

2201
01:41:55,479 --> 01:41:56,160
Speaker 2: They were so good.

2202
01:41:56,240 --> 01:41:57,479
Speaker 6: Yeah, they didn't have to do it.

2203
01:41:57,800 --> 01:42:00,599
Speaker 5: Micah from South Dakota, how much effect do you think

2204
01:42:01,040 --> 01:42:02,960
Speaker 5: to Mario Douglas being out in the middle of the

2205
01:42:02,960 --> 01:42:05,519
Speaker 5: game had on Drake May and the offense. I think

2206
01:42:05,520 --> 01:42:08,920
Speaker 5: it's pretty clear that Man Douglas have the best chemistry together.

2207
01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:11,559
Speaker 5: So it makes me wonder if May not having his

2208
01:42:11,640 --> 01:42:13,640
Speaker 5: guy on the field caused him to not play as

2209
01:42:13,680 --> 01:42:16,760
Speaker 5: well in the middle part of the field. Also, if

2210
01:42:16,760 --> 01:42:18,960
Speaker 5: we ever find a run game, then this offense could

2211
01:42:19,040 --> 01:42:22,639
Speaker 5: easily be a mid level NFL offense scoring twenty one

2212
01:42:22,880 --> 01:42:23,759
Speaker 5: to twenty eight points.

2213
01:42:23,760 --> 01:42:25,400
Speaker 9: I love how the bar is just like, let's get

2214
01:42:25,439 --> 01:42:28,240
Speaker 9: to sixteenth in the league, let's get mid level. Yeah,

2215
01:42:28,280 --> 01:42:30,800
Speaker 9: it was a big deal. Douglas being out and Drake

2216
01:42:30,840 --> 01:42:35,760
Speaker 9: May's numbers against man coverage tanked completely once Douglas was,

2217
01:42:35,840 --> 01:42:38,160
Speaker 9: you know, out in and out of the lineup. He

2218
01:42:38,240 --> 01:42:40,200
Speaker 9: hit him on that third down very early on in

2219
01:42:40,240 --> 01:42:42,760
Speaker 9: the game against man to man and they couldn't really

2220
01:42:42,760 --> 01:42:46,839
Speaker 9: make any plays other than the booty throw against man coverage.

2221
01:42:46,840 --> 01:42:50,240
Speaker 9: So it was definitely a big deal that they didn't

2222
01:42:50,280 --> 01:42:52,960
Speaker 9: have him in there. And I'm sure that you know

2223
01:42:53,000 --> 01:42:55,840
Speaker 9: he's really the one guy that against man to man

2224
01:42:55,920 --> 01:42:57,800
Speaker 9: like he can get open and he can separate, and

2225
01:42:57,960 --> 01:42:58,919
Speaker 9: he can make plays.

2226
01:42:59,560 --> 01:43:01,960
Speaker 8: They needed the receiver remerch. I mean, whether it's Born,

2227
01:43:02,200 --> 01:43:04,320
Speaker 8: whether it's Polk, whether it's I mean, one of those

2228
01:43:04,320 --> 01:43:07,400
Speaker 8: guys just has to step up and do something they're

2229
01:43:07,439 --> 01:43:10,160
Speaker 8: not gonna get by throwing just to Hunter, Henry and

2230
01:43:10,200 --> 01:43:11,960
Speaker 8: Douglas in the middle of the field and the checkdowns

2231
01:43:11,960 --> 01:43:12,360
Speaker 8: to the back.

2232
01:43:12,400 --> 01:43:13,599
Speaker 5: It's it's not enough.

2233
01:43:13,640 --> 01:43:16,360
Speaker 8: You need an outside receiver to do to do something.

2234
01:43:16,400 --> 01:43:18,280
Speaker 8: I mean, you hope that Bourne is gonna come on,

2235
01:43:19,680 --> 01:43:22,640
Speaker 8: but again, it takes a little time with these kind

2236
01:43:22,640 --> 01:43:24,559
Speaker 8: of injuries, and you probably are gonna expect some ups

2237
01:43:24,600 --> 01:43:25,200
Speaker 8: and downs from him.

2238
01:43:25,240 --> 01:43:25,679
Speaker 2: Regardless.

2239
01:43:25,720 --> 01:43:27,920
Speaker 6: The more players you have, obviously the better, Like it's not.

2240
01:43:28,040 --> 01:43:30,679
Speaker 6: It doesn't help your offense that one of the guys

2241
01:43:30,720 --> 01:43:35,200
Speaker 6: that you probably went into the game plan, Douglas being

2242
01:43:35,200 --> 01:43:37,559
Speaker 6: a part of you know, he's out in the middle

2243
01:43:37,560 --> 01:43:40,559
Speaker 6: of the game. But like, that's not why you go

2244
01:43:40,600 --> 01:43:43,720
Speaker 6: into the tank. You know, it doesn't help certainly doesn't help.

2245
01:43:43,760 --> 01:43:45,559
Speaker 6: You need them, you need They don't have enough good

2246
01:43:45,560 --> 01:43:47,559
Speaker 6: players to be able to afford to lose a good player.

2247
01:43:48,080 --> 01:43:50,759
Speaker 9: So can I go on on one mini rant about

2248
01:43:51,160 --> 01:43:54,639
Speaker 9: about the run game and all that? Though I would

2249
01:43:54,680 --> 01:43:57,800
Speaker 9: like to take their play action playbook and fire it

2250
01:43:57,840 --> 01:44:01,320
Speaker 9: to the sun. I think it's awful. I don't think

2251
01:44:01,360 --> 01:44:04,160
Speaker 9: the routes make any sense whatsoever. I don't think that

2252
01:44:04,240 --> 01:44:09,960
Speaker 9: the scheme marries up at all. They are running wide

2253
01:44:10,080 --> 01:44:14,080
Speaker 9: zone play action plays off of you know, straight draw

2254
01:44:14,240 --> 01:44:18,960
Speaker 9: back gap type of run concepts. There, their route spacing

2255
01:44:19,280 --> 01:44:20,240
Speaker 9: on play action.

2256
01:44:20,160 --> 01:44:22,920
Speaker 6: Their rout spacing period to me makes me scratch my

2257
01:44:22,960 --> 01:44:23,400
Speaker 6: head a lot.

2258
01:44:23,520 --> 01:44:27,240
Speaker 9: Yeah, their rout spacing on play action, particularly on Sunday,

2259
01:44:27,680 --> 01:44:30,040
Speaker 9: was horrible. Like the very first play of the game,

2260
01:44:30,040 --> 01:44:32,200
Speaker 9: they run a play action drop and they have like

2261
01:44:32,240 --> 01:44:35,679
Speaker 9: a deep curl with a crosser that is going right

2262
01:44:35,720 --> 01:44:38,680
Speaker 9: into the crop, and I'm just like you know what

2263
01:44:38,760 --> 01:44:39,240
Speaker 9: are we doing?

2264
01:44:39,360 --> 01:44:41,599
Speaker 6: Surprisingly, Drake had to scramble on that play.

2265
01:44:41,720 --> 01:44:44,000
Speaker 9: Yeah, And so he's looking at it and he's trying

2266
01:44:44,040 --> 01:44:46,920
Speaker 9: to read, like to see you know, curl to cross,

2267
01:44:46,960 --> 01:44:49,120
Speaker 9: and like I, he's looking at it and he's like,

2268
01:44:49,160 --> 01:44:51,200
Speaker 9: where would you like me to go with this football?

2269
01:44:51,320 --> 01:44:53,840
Speaker 9: Right now? Then they ran the bootleg play where Hunter

2270
01:44:53,880 --> 01:44:56,680
Speaker 9: Henry and Jalen Polk nearly ran into each other, and

2271
01:44:56,720 --> 01:45:00,599
Speaker 9: the one that Pulk dropped right, and it just none

2272
01:45:00,600 --> 01:45:03,320
Speaker 9: of it makes any sense, Like this offense is absolutely

2273
01:45:03,360 --> 01:45:05,679
Speaker 9: begging for them to pull a guard and just run

2274
01:45:05,680 --> 01:45:07,960
Speaker 9: the tight end right behind the linebacker and throw it

2275
01:45:08,040 --> 01:45:11,120
Speaker 9: right behind his ear. Like it just I don't understand

2276
01:45:11,120 --> 01:45:13,400
Speaker 9: any of it. And it's like so surprising to me

2277
01:45:13,479 --> 01:45:16,519
Speaker 9: because Cleveland runs a lot of the same stuff really

2278
01:45:16,520 --> 01:45:19,200
Speaker 9: really well. So I don't really understand how last year

2279
01:45:19,240 --> 01:45:21,360
Speaker 9: in Cleveland it looked great and now this year they

2280
01:45:21,400 --> 01:45:24,479
Speaker 9: can't run it at all with the Patriots. But their

2281
01:45:24,560 --> 01:45:26,599
Speaker 9: play action concepts are just brutal.

2282
01:45:27,720 --> 01:45:32,679
Speaker 5: Back to the tpx houtline Sean's and Vancouver, what's up Sean?

2283
01:45:33,880 --> 01:45:34,120
Speaker 10: Hey?

2284
01:45:34,200 --> 01:45:34,639
Speaker 13: Everyone?

2285
01:45:35,880 --> 01:45:37,719
Speaker 22: One play I'd like to see the Patriots move away

2286
01:45:37,760 --> 01:45:40,120
Speaker 22: from is running up the middle on first down.

2287
01:45:40,360 --> 01:45:42,639
Speaker 14: They tried it like nine times earleat any morning.

2288
01:45:42,840 --> 01:45:43,200
Speaker 6: They did not.

2289
01:45:44,560 --> 01:45:46,960
Speaker 9: No, you look, look at the games I did.

2290
01:45:47,320 --> 01:45:50,719
Speaker 6: I got the numbers their first their first down runs

2291
01:45:51,120 --> 01:45:52,760
Speaker 6: they didn't have. They didn't have a ton of them,

2292
01:45:52,840 --> 01:45:55,200
Speaker 6: and in the second half they had none. I think

2293
01:45:55,200 --> 01:45:57,400
Speaker 6: they had one first down run the whole the entire

2294
01:45:57,439 --> 01:46:01,519
Speaker 6: second half. But they didn't run the ball as much

2295
01:46:01,520 --> 01:46:03,880
Speaker 6: as you think they did. This is I was a

2296
01:46:03,880 --> 01:46:06,760
Speaker 6: little prepared for this because it was all Alex van

2297
01:46:06,800 --> 01:46:09,880
Speaker 6: Pelt's fault that the offense didn't do anything. And I

2298
01:46:10,479 --> 01:46:12,439
Speaker 6: might sound a little defensive. I'm not trying to be

2299
01:46:12,479 --> 01:46:14,360
Speaker 6: defensive because I agree with a lot of the stuff

2300
01:46:14,400 --> 01:46:17,719
Speaker 6: that Evan said. I'm confused by their route patterns at times.

2301
01:46:17,720 --> 01:46:19,559
Speaker 6: I'm not a nexus and nose guy. I don't break

2302
01:46:19,600 --> 01:46:21,519
Speaker 6: it down, but there's too many times that I just

2303
01:46:21,560 --> 01:46:23,960
Speaker 6: watch and there's two receivers in the general vicinity of

2304
01:46:24,040 --> 01:46:26,720
Speaker 6: each other. That's something I complained about last year. It's

2305
01:46:26,720 --> 01:46:28,760
Speaker 6: something I complained about even more the year before that,

2306
01:46:29,240 --> 01:46:31,439
Speaker 6: because it looked like they looked like they didn't have

2307
01:46:31,560 --> 01:46:34,800
Speaker 6: any spacing to the offense. Like so, I'm not telling

2308
01:46:34,840 --> 01:46:37,439
Speaker 6: you Alex van Pelt doesn't deserve to have criticism. They

2309
01:46:37,439 --> 01:46:39,559
Speaker 6: didn't run the ball as much as people are blaming

2310
01:46:39,720 --> 01:46:41,759
Speaker 6: the self destruction of the offense.

2311
01:46:41,840 --> 01:46:43,960
Speaker 5: No, I think pretty much they realized they can't run.

2312
01:46:44,000 --> 01:46:45,439
Speaker 6: They couldn't run, and they didn't really try.

2313
01:46:45,479 --> 01:46:47,680
Speaker 9: They had one series in the second quarter where they

2314
01:46:47,720 --> 01:46:51,800
Speaker 9: went negative run, negative screen, third and long punt. But

2315
01:46:51,960 --> 01:46:54,560
Speaker 9: like in general, I didn't think the play sequencing was

2316
01:46:54,600 --> 01:46:57,160
Speaker 9: the problem. It's just that what's happening is like the

2317
01:46:57,160 --> 01:46:59,800
Speaker 9: second level of every defense is flying downhill at the

2318
01:46:59,800 --> 01:47:02,400
Speaker 9: line a scrimmage when they're under center. They are just

2319
01:47:02,760 --> 01:47:06,080
Speaker 9: they are not respecting any play action because the Patriots

2320
01:47:06,080 --> 01:47:08,160
Speaker 9: think at it. So they just run right at the

2321
01:47:08,200 --> 01:47:10,760
Speaker 9: line of scrimmage. And until you start to script some

2322
01:47:10,800 --> 01:47:14,200
Speaker 9: play action plays that actually, you know, get the defense

2323
01:47:14,240 --> 01:47:16,400
Speaker 9: to to pay for that, then they're not going to

2324
01:47:16,439 --> 01:47:18,120
Speaker 9: be able to run the ball. Like the run game

2325
01:47:18,200 --> 01:47:22,760
Speaker 9: is all about numbers and physicality upfront, Like it's it's

2326
01:47:22,800 --> 01:47:26,160
Speaker 9: not like scheme is not really where you're going when

2327
01:47:26,200 --> 01:47:27,960
Speaker 9: it comes to the run game, it's a numbers game.

2328
01:47:28,000 --> 01:47:29,720
Speaker 9: How many guys do we have on that side of

2329
01:47:29,760 --> 01:47:32,280
Speaker 9: the ball versus how many defenders do they have for

2330
01:47:32,400 --> 01:47:35,080
Speaker 9: us to block? And what's happening is that these teams

2331
01:47:35,120 --> 01:47:38,000
Speaker 9: are just funneling fast to the football and they can't

2332
01:47:38,040 --> 01:47:40,000
Speaker 9: play action off of it. So that's why I brought

2333
01:47:40,040 --> 01:47:41,880
Speaker 9: up the play action stuff, because if they start hitting

2334
01:47:41,920 --> 01:47:44,360
Speaker 9: some play action plays, then you can't do that with

2335
01:47:44,400 --> 01:47:46,479
Speaker 9: your linebackers. They have to start respecting that.

2336
01:47:46,680 --> 01:47:49,880
Speaker 6: So five of their first down runs came when the

2337
01:47:49,920 --> 01:47:54,560
Speaker 6: first two drives. What happened on those two drives? The

2338
01:47:55,320 --> 01:48:01,280
Speaker 6: score points. Yeah, So like Evan's exactly right. They came out,

2339
01:48:01,520 --> 01:48:04,920
Speaker 6: you know, on first down on the third possession, first

2340
01:48:04,920 --> 01:48:07,280
Speaker 6: play was a pass. Now they get a pass in

2341
01:48:07,320 --> 01:48:09,400
Speaker 6: Afferance on it, so they get another first down. Now

2342
01:48:09,400 --> 01:48:13,920
Speaker 6: they run, they get minus one. They passed twice after that.

2343
01:48:14,000 --> 01:48:18,000
Speaker 6: Like it's like the blaming of the offensive lack of

2344
01:48:18,080 --> 01:48:21,080
Speaker 6: production on on they just ran the ball too many.

2345
01:48:21,120 --> 01:48:23,360
Speaker 6: I got an dream a big head about this yesterday, Andy,

2346
01:48:23,360 --> 01:48:26,160
Speaker 6: because Andy, Andy makes Evan look like a hater of

2347
01:48:26,240 --> 01:48:28,680
Speaker 6: Drake May right now. He is so in love with

2348
01:48:28,720 --> 01:48:32,320
Speaker 6: Drake May. It's it's a little to do that. It's

2349
01:48:32,360 --> 01:48:34,960
Speaker 6: off putting, to be honest with you, because he's so negative.

2350
01:48:35,040 --> 01:48:36,960
Speaker 5: He'll have his jersey on, but like he.

2351
01:48:36,920 --> 01:48:38,760
Speaker 6: Goes, well, maybe if they didn't you know, they didn't

2352
01:48:38,800 --> 01:48:41,240
Speaker 6: bog down the offense, but on the all on their own.

2353
01:48:41,280 --> 01:48:43,760
Speaker 6: I'm like, what are you talking about, like bogged down

2354
01:48:43,800 --> 01:48:45,240
Speaker 6: the offense. I went back and I looked, and I

2355
01:48:45,320 --> 01:48:49,200
Speaker 6: highlighted all of the first down runs. Like they didn't

2356
01:48:49,280 --> 01:48:51,360
Speaker 6: run the ball at all in the second half like that.

2357
01:48:51,520 --> 01:48:53,680
Speaker 6: I think they ran twice in the entirety of the.

2358
01:48:53,680 --> 01:48:56,000
Speaker 8: Second one possession in the third quarter because of that

2359
01:48:56,040 --> 01:48:56,799
Speaker 8: long drive.

2360
01:48:57,160 --> 01:49:01,840
Speaker 9: That passes in this game, they had negative two rushing

2361
01:49:01,920 --> 01:49:05,320
Speaker 9: yards before contact negative too. They were going.

2362
01:49:05,120 --> 01:49:08,160
Speaker 6: Backwards and that's why they ran the ball twelve times

2363
01:49:08,320 --> 01:49:11,400
Speaker 6: in the game. Like they didn't try to run into

2364
01:49:11,479 --> 01:49:14,040
Speaker 6: the brick wall. They had no success really doing it,

2365
01:49:14,240 --> 01:49:16,439
Speaker 6: and Van Pelt didn't try to stay with it, like

2366
01:49:16,479 --> 01:49:19,040
Speaker 6: it didn't work. But like you can't just throw the

2367
01:49:19,040 --> 01:49:23,280
Speaker 6: ball every single play right right, Like oh you can,

2368
01:49:23,479 --> 01:49:26,679
Speaker 6: well not until the end, like you're down two scores

2369
01:49:26,680 --> 01:49:29,280
Speaker 6: in the end, which you down two scores because you

2370
01:49:29,479 --> 01:49:32,639
Speaker 6: opted to be in the fourth quarter, so you knew

2371
01:49:32,640 --> 01:49:34,559
Speaker 6: how you would be able to unfold, you know, the

2372
01:49:34,600 --> 01:49:38,360
Speaker 6: last eight minutes. But just to find I get a

2373
01:49:38,360 --> 01:49:40,679
Speaker 6: little annoyed with the hole they ran the ball too much.

2374
01:49:40,920 --> 01:49:44,680
Speaker 6: There's too many first down runs like you have to

2375
01:49:44,760 --> 01:49:46,840
Speaker 6: run the ball sometimes when the game is still in

2376
01:49:46,880 --> 01:49:49,800
Speaker 6: the balance, when they're up ten to nothing, like we

2377
01:49:50,080 --> 01:49:52,280
Speaker 6: need to just throw the ball every play. They ran

2378
01:49:52,320 --> 01:49:54,320
Speaker 6: it once on that next drive once.

2379
01:49:55,760 --> 01:49:59,280
Speaker 9: The way they play that they can't play action. It

2380
01:49:59,360 --> 01:50:03,080
Speaker 9: drives me not It's like everybody's stacking the box. Everybody's

2381
01:50:03,120 --> 01:50:05,920
Speaker 9: firing guys at the line of scrimmage, and yet they

2382
01:50:05,960 --> 01:50:08,360
Speaker 9: can't get a linebacker to bite on play action and

2383
01:50:08,360 --> 01:50:11,000
Speaker 9: it hit something behind him, Like, I just I'm sorry, Sam,

2384
01:50:11,200 --> 01:50:13,360
Speaker 9: what's up, Sam?

2385
01:50:13,800 --> 01:50:14,040
Speaker 5: Sam?

2386
01:50:16,880 --> 01:50:20,920
Speaker 6: It's up? Yep, keep going the big fan.

2387
01:50:21,040 --> 01:50:23,160
Speaker 22: I've been listening to you guys in twenty thirteen.

2388
01:50:23,880 --> 01:50:24,559
Speaker 13: Big thing you guys.

2389
01:50:24,560 --> 01:50:26,360
Speaker 22: I have two questions, one about Drake May and then

2390
01:50:26,360 --> 01:50:28,040
Speaker 22: one about the two point conversion Paul, I want to

2391
01:50:28,040 --> 01:50:28,760
Speaker 22: get into that with you.

2392
01:50:28,960 --> 01:50:29,880
Speaker 6: Okay, nothing he did.

2393
01:50:29,880 --> 01:50:32,439
Speaker 22: I don't feel strongly one way or the other. But yeah,

2394
01:50:32,880 --> 01:50:36,160
Speaker 22: so for Drake May, I want I question for Evan

2395
01:50:36,560 --> 01:50:38,800
Speaker 22: on that last interceptible pass that he was throwing at

2396
01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:40,760
Speaker 22: Hooper towards the end zone. Is it fair to say

2397
01:50:40,800 --> 01:50:42,880
Speaker 22: that Hooper read that wrong and he should have actually

2398
01:50:42,920 --> 01:50:45,200
Speaker 22: stopped it. May make the right decisions.

2399
01:50:45,479 --> 01:50:48,040
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's the way I saw it, and I didn't

2400
01:50:48,040 --> 01:50:52,000
Speaker 9: count that as a as a turnover worthy play for Drake.

2401
01:50:52,240 --> 01:50:55,040
Speaker 9: The cart cross or to Osborne should have been a

2402
01:50:55,040 --> 01:50:58,400
Speaker 9: pick six and not one definitely counts. But the one

2403
01:50:58,439 --> 01:51:01,680
Speaker 9: to Hooper Henry ran the same exact route earlier in

2404
01:51:01,720 --> 01:51:05,840
Speaker 9: the game and ran the route correctly for completion. Uh,

2405
01:51:05,880 --> 01:51:08,639
Speaker 9: the one that Hooper ran, I I don't I don't

2406
01:51:08,640 --> 01:51:11,160
Speaker 9: know how they're coaching it, but just based off of

2407
01:51:11,200 --> 01:51:14,360
Speaker 9: what you hear, you know that that route usually you

2408
01:51:14,400 --> 01:51:16,960
Speaker 9: want to settle someplace in that void of the zone

2409
01:51:17,000 --> 01:51:19,439
Speaker 9: instead of continuing on with the corner.

2410
01:51:20,920 --> 01:51:22,519
Speaker 22: Okay, cool, because I heard I've heard people say he

2411
01:51:22,520 --> 01:51:24,519
Speaker 22: had like two interceptible passes, and I definitely agree on

2412
01:51:24,520 --> 01:51:26,679
Speaker 22: the one that the Osborne, but I thought the second

2413
01:51:26,680 --> 01:51:28,519
Speaker 22: one was definitely not on him. I thought he made

2414
01:51:28,560 --> 01:51:29,040
Speaker 22: the right sision.

2415
01:51:30,320 --> 01:51:31,640
Speaker 6: It may not have been on him, but it was

2416
01:51:31,640 --> 01:51:34,560
Speaker 6: an interceptible pass. It hit the guy in the hands.

2417
01:51:34,680 --> 01:51:37,160
Speaker 22: Yeah, of course, I'm just getting his play, Like when

2418
01:51:37,160 --> 01:51:39,240
Speaker 22: he makes that decision, obviously he's not expecting you know.

2419
01:51:40,000 --> 01:51:40,200
Speaker 2: Yep.

2420
01:51:40,479 --> 01:51:42,400
Speaker 6: No, totally fair, totally fair.

2421
01:51:42,479 --> 01:51:44,360
Speaker 22: And I feel like I'm taking crazy pills because, like

2422
01:51:44,560 --> 01:51:46,120
Speaker 22: I should, we should be ecstatic you know, we just

2423
01:51:46,120 --> 01:51:48,200
Speaker 22: won the lottery. In my opinion with Drake May, like,

2424
01:51:48,240 --> 01:51:50,080
Speaker 22: you know, we have the third quarterback.

2425
01:51:49,640 --> 01:51:50,640
Speaker 9: And it's not just me.

2426
01:51:50,760 --> 01:51:54,000
Speaker 22: We hit off the part. You know, it's like hundred

2427
01:51:54,000 --> 01:51:55,840
Speaker 22: million dollars and someone says, yeah, but they're actually gonna

2428
01:51:55,840 --> 01:51:57,880
Speaker 22: attack like sixty million. So okay, so I get forty

2429
01:51:57,880 --> 01:52:00,519
Speaker 22: million dollars, it's still amazing, Like what the heck we're

2430
01:52:00,520 --> 01:52:01,080
Speaker 22: doing amazing?

2431
01:52:01,160 --> 01:52:03,040
Speaker 5: So I don't know, but what if you got forty

2432
01:52:03,040 --> 01:52:05,519
Speaker 5: million dollars and you're not allowed to spend it? But anyway,

2433
01:52:06,920 --> 01:52:10,120
Speaker 5: go ahead, Sam, what what's your two point thing? Okay?

2434
01:52:10,200 --> 01:52:12,240
Speaker 22: So my thing with Paul is like, so as long

2435
01:52:12,280 --> 01:52:13,640
Speaker 22: as we start with your basis of it, if you

2436
01:52:13,640 --> 01:52:15,439
Speaker 22: fail at two point conversion with eight minutes left, or

2437
01:52:15,479 --> 01:52:17,439
Speaker 22: you fail at two point conversion with thirty seconds left,

2438
01:52:17,439 --> 01:52:19,639
Speaker 22: you're probably not gonna win. We're both agree on that, right.

2439
01:52:20,240 --> 01:52:23,720
Speaker 22: So my second point is like I just well hits

2440
01:52:23,720 --> 01:52:26,000
Speaker 22: the argument. But if you have more information, like obviously,

2441
01:52:26,280 --> 01:52:28,000
Speaker 22: like when the pictures got the ball back down nine,

2442
01:52:28,000 --> 01:52:31,000
Speaker 22: I believe there's like four minutes left, aren't they gonna

2443
01:52:31,000 --> 01:52:32,840
Speaker 22: aren't they gonna be more aggressive and they're gonna try

2444
01:52:32,840 --> 01:52:35,599
Speaker 22: to score more quickly before the two minute warnings versus

2445
01:52:35,600 --> 01:52:37,479
Speaker 22: they say, let's say they were down eight, they might

2446
01:52:37,520 --> 01:52:39,840
Speaker 22: take their time more, have a more methodical drive because

2447
01:52:40,120 --> 01:52:42,200
Speaker 22: they don't know if they're gonna want to score too early,

2448
01:52:42,200 --> 01:52:42,599
Speaker 22: you know what I mean?

2449
01:52:42,640 --> 01:52:47,040
Speaker 6: Because then it shouldn't be. That shouldn't be. But the

2450
01:52:47,040 --> 01:52:49,120
Speaker 6: first thing that you know, why should you have more

2451
01:52:49,200 --> 01:52:51,960
Speaker 6: urgency down down one or the other? You have to score.

2452
01:52:52,840 --> 01:52:54,040
Speaker 6: You either score or you lose.

2453
01:52:54,080 --> 01:52:56,600
Speaker 22: Point if you're a scoring range. Right, let's say like

2454
01:52:56,600 --> 01:52:58,840
Speaker 22: they cross the fifty with like a two minutes and

2455
01:52:58,840 --> 01:53:01,120
Speaker 22: fifty seventh left or something right, So you're gonna want

2456
01:53:01,120 --> 01:53:01,880
Speaker 22: to take more.

2457
01:53:01,760 --> 01:53:03,519
Speaker 6: Time down Okay, can I can I stop you for

2458
01:53:03,560 --> 01:53:08,000
Speaker 6: a second? Sam? So if you're down nine, why are

2459
01:53:08,040 --> 01:53:10,479
Speaker 6: you crossing the fifty with the ball with two fifty left?

2460
01:53:10,479 --> 01:53:14,160
Speaker 6: But if you're down eight, you're scoring with no time left.

2461
01:53:14,439 --> 01:53:17,280
Speaker 6: That's the part that I don't get, Because you're.

2462
01:53:17,160 --> 01:53:18,840
Speaker 22: Gonna have more urgency to one to four quicker because

2463
01:53:18,880 --> 01:53:21,320
Speaker 22: you know you need to be on site kick whereas

2464
01:53:21,360 --> 01:53:23,760
Speaker 22: the other point you're gonna because under both scenarios right.

2465
01:53:23,680 --> 01:53:26,240
Speaker 6: Now, So so you think we can we the idea

2466
01:53:26,240 --> 01:53:29,360
Speaker 6: of needing urgency, So you get an on side kick

2467
01:53:29,400 --> 01:53:32,479
Speaker 6: outweighs only needing one score, right, Like, I don't can't skip,

2468
01:53:32,760 --> 01:53:34,160
Speaker 6: I can't see that's the problem.

2469
01:53:34,200 --> 01:53:37,040
Speaker 5: Can we all agree that whether you go for two

2470
01:53:37,160 --> 01:53:39,400
Speaker 5: or not, you have no idea how the rest of

2471
01:53:39,439 --> 01:53:40,599
Speaker 5: the game is gonna unfold?

2472
01:53:40,640 --> 01:53:43,080
Speaker 6: And can I just say why when you're down nine,

2473
01:53:43,120 --> 01:53:44,439
Speaker 6: do you know what you need? But when you're down

2474
01:53:44,479 --> 01:53:46,400
Speaker 6: eight you don't know what you need? You don't have

2475
01:53:46,520 --> 01:53:48,040
Speaker 6: urgent people.

2476
01:53:48,160 --> 01:53:50,160
Speaker 22: Because we're in both hypotheticals, right, we agree that you're

2477
01:53:50,160 --> 01:53:52,040
Speaker 22: gonna fail the people in conversion otherwise, at no point

2478
01:53:52,040 --> 01:53:53,960
Speaker 22: in having this conversation, right, we agree you're gonna fail

2479
01:53:54,000 --> 01:53:54,559
Speaker 22: both times?

2480
01:53:54,720 --> 01:53:57,880
Speaker 6: No, what Why am I agreeing to that?

2481
01:53:59,200 --> 01:54:00,760
Speaker 14: Because the the idea.

2482
01:54:00,520 --> 01:54:02,439
Speaker 22: Is would you rather fail early or feel late?

2483
01:54:03,360 --> 01:54:06,680
Speaker 6: I don't want to fail at all exactly? But but

2484
01:54:07,960 --> 01:54:10,080
Speaker 6: but but I'm just trying to play the percentages. I'm

2485
01:54:10,080 --> 01:54:12,479
Speaker 6: trying to extend the game. I'm trying to make it

2486
01:54:12,520 --> 01:54:15,000
Speaker 6: a competitive game for as long as I can. That's

2487
01:54:15,040 --> 01:54:18,240
Speaker 6: why if most coaches put off going for two as

2488
01:54:18,280 --> 01:54:20,519
Speaker 6: long as they can, because it extends the game.

2489
01:54:20,600 --> 01:54:23,760
Speaker 5: If you're now under eight minutes and you need two possessions,

2490
01:54:24,280 --> 01:54:27,200
Speaker 5: game's over so much easier for the other team the

2491
01:54:27,280 --> 01:54:27,880
Speaker 5: game's over.

2492
01:54:28,000 --> 01:54:31,519
Speaker 6: You read about like al Cola presents fantastic finishes thirty

2493
01:54:31,600 --> 01:54:34,480
Speaker 6: years later on the one time the team that didn't

2494
01:54:34,520 --> 01:54:36,879
Speaker 6: have the ball with eight minutes left down two scores

2495
01:54:36,880 --> 01:54:41,000
Speaker 6: once those are like these, These are these famous, these

2496
01:54:41,040 --> 01:54:45,400
Speaker 6: famous comebacks that that happened, you know, once or twice

2497
01:54:45,480 --> 01:54:48,400
Speaker 6: a decade, Like we're going to.

2498
01:54:48,440 --> 01:54:49,960
Speaker 9: Agree to disagree on this one.

2499
01:54:49,880 --> 01:54:56,040
Speaker 6: Saying again, I'm not listen, I'm not This is not

2500
01:54:56,080 --> 01:54:56,640
Speaker 6: about Sam.

2501
01:54:56,680 --> 01:54:59,360
Speaker 5: I wish he had a better someone just give me.

2502
01:54:59,720 --> 01:55:02,240
Speaker 6: All I'm looking for is someone to give me a

2503
01:55:02,360 --> 01:55:05,960
Speaker 6: reason that doesn't involve knowing what I need, doesn't involve

2504
01:55:06,880 --> 01:55:08,800
Speaker 6: under the When you're down eight, you're not getting a

2505
01:55:08,840 --> 01:55:11,280
Speaker 6: two point conversion until the final seconds and the game

2506
01:55:11,360 --> 01:55:14,520
Speaker 6: is over. I don't understand why that has to be.

2507
01:55:15,400 --> 01:55:19,200
Speaker 6: Why can't you score with six minutes left? And now

2508
01:55:19,320 --> 01:55:21,000
Speaker 6: I have Now I'm down with you.

2509
01:55:21,960 --> 01:55:23,400
Speaker 9: At that point of course I would.

2510
01:55:23,920 --> 01:55:26,600
Speaker 6: I would try to tie the game. But if it misses,

2511
01:55:26,640 --> 01:55:30,680
Speaker 6: because as Sam said, I'm failing either way. So I

2512
01:55:30,720 --> 01:55:33,280
Speaker 6: miss with with six minutes left. Now I have six

2513
01:55:33,320 --> 01:55:35,440
Speaker 6: minutes to make a stop and kick a field goal

2514
01:55:35,440 --> 01:55:37,320
Speaker 6: to win the game. As the same thing that they

2515
01:55:37,360 --> 01:55:37,880
Speaker 6: want to do.

2516
01:55:37,880 --> 01:55:41,440
Speaker 5: Down now, with tie running out, I'd rather with time

2517
01:55:41,520 --> 01:55:44,680
Speaker 5: running out, I'd rather need I'd rather have the scenario.

2518
01:55:44,680 --> 01:55:46,920
Speaker 5: What I only need the ball back one more time

2519
01:55:46,960 --> 01:55:50,160
Speaker 5: to tie than to have the ball back two times.

2520
01:55:50,160 --> 01:55:53,600
Speaker 6: Being down nine doesn't ensure that you will have two

2521
01:55:53,680 --> 01:55:56,800
Speaker 6: possessions any more than being down eight does. Right, But

2522
01:55:56,880 --> 01:55:59,560
Speaker 6: that's the way it's perceived somehow. When you're down eight,

2523
01:55:59,760 --> 01:56:01,760
Speaker 6: you just gonna lolly gag in and out of the

2524
01:56:01,840 --> 01:56:04,520
Speaker 6: huddle and wait all the time, run all the time

2525
01:56:04,560 --> 01:56:06,440
Speaker 6: off the clock because we want to score in the

2526
01:56:06,560 --> 01:56:09,480
Speaker 6: last second and get the two point conversion, send the

2527
01:56:09,480 --> 01:56:12,560
Speaker 6: game to overtime. Why can't you with a twenty two left,

2528
01:56:12,920 --> 01:56:15,720
Speaker 6: force a three and out, get the ball back, score

2529
01:56:15,720 --> 01:56:18,840
Speaker 6: in four plays, miss the two point conversion, and still

2530
01:56:18,840 --> 01:56:21,200
Speaker 6: have five minutes left to get another three and out

2531
01:56:21,240 --> 01:56:21,640
Speaker 6: if you want.

2532
01:56:21,720 --> 01:56:22,720
Speaker 8: Does not compute.

2533
01:56:23,120 --> 01:56:29,280
Speaker 9: But if you're down eight, this is where you like you.

2534
01:56:29,280 --> 01:56:32,000
Speaker 6: You you have like because you like friends on the

2535
01:56:32,000 --> 01:56:32,720
Speaker 6: other side, like.

2536
01:56:35,680 --> 01:56:39,680
Speaker 5: If he was like he's leading brethren, right, I.

2537
01:56:39,720 --> 01:56:44,080
Speaker 9: Know, I know this is where we love. This is

2538
01:56:44,120 --> 01:56:46,880
Speaker 9: where it's come to the line for me, come to

2539
01:56:46,960 --> 01:56:51,440
Speaker 9: the like the the nerdom that I enjoy is not

2540
01:56:51,720 --> 01:56:55,280
Speaker 9: this right. I could honestly care less about your win

2541
01:56:55,400 --> 01:56:58,720
Speaker 9: probability model. I could care less. The nerdom that I

2542
01:56:58,840 --> 01:57:03,240
Speaker 9: like is like charting things and like data that is

2543
01:57:03,560 --> 01:57:07,160
Speaker 9: not predictive but is actual, like EPA, which is a

2544
01:57:07,200 --> 01:57:12,680
Speaker 9: stat that is tangible. Like the wind probability stuff. I

2545
01:57:12,680 --> 01:57:15,360
Speaker 9: think has really done a lot more damage in a

2546
01:57:15,360 --> 01:57:19,400
Speaker 9: lot of ways than good because these nerds don't play sports. Okay,

2547
01:57:19,480 --> 01:57:23,560
Speaker 9: but the the other stuff is different, and so I

2548
01:57:23,600 --> 01:57:25,680
Speaker 9: hate that I, you know, get put into the.

2549
01:57:25,640 --> 01:57:29,240
Speaker 6: Box I am. I'm here to listen if someone gives

2550
01:57:29,240 --> 01:57:32,120
Speaker 6: me a tangible reason why it's better right to be

2551
01:57:32,160 --> 01:57:32,480
Speaker 6: down now?

2552
01:57:32,480 --> 01:57:35,720
Speaker 5: All right, two quick, more quick, because we're running out

2553
01:57:35,720 --> 01:57:43,040
Speaker 5: of time here, Patty and agawam quickly. Patty gotta hurry. Okay,

2554
01:57:43,080 --> 01:57:45,160
Speaker 5: he's not there. We'll do one more. And this is

2555
01:57:45,240 --> 01:57:50,720
Speaker 5: Dante and Orlando. That's a weird Orlando. Well, they have

2556
01:57:50,800 --> 01:57:53,520
Speaker 5: a lot of problem with the hurricane. So all right,

2557
01:57:54,520 --> 01:57:57,840
Speaker 5: that's gonna be it for this edition of Patriots Unfiltered.

2558
01:57:58,360 --> 01:58:01,400
Speaker 5: I just apologize to all all the hundreds of emailers.

2559
01:58:01,440 --> 01:58:05,120
Speaker 5: We didn't get to like that many of them, so

2560
01:58:06,000 --> 01:58:08,120
Speaker 5: we'll try to do better tomorrow.

2561
01:58:08,640 --> 01:58:10,400
Speaker 6: We'll try to get to see if we can host

2562
01:58:10,400 --> 01:58:12,200
Speaker 6: Freddy down he was a little wound up the first

2563
01:58:12,200 --> 01:58:13,480
Speaker 6: forty five minutes, and.

2564
01:58:13,440 --> 01:58:17,520
Speaker 5: We will be back tomorrow at noon playbook. Also tomorrow,

2565
01:58:17,600 --> 01:58:20,680
Speaker 5: we'll have more to talk about then. So thanks for

2566
01:58:20,720 --> 01:58:21,440
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