Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1: Chris Harrison and Lauren Zema coming to you from the
Speaker 1: home office in Austin, Texas. And you know, can I
Speaker 1: still say happy holidays because it's time for the kids
Speaker 1: and everybody to go back to school. It's time to
Speaker 1: get back to what is This has been the long
Speaker 1: COVID version of the holidays. These holidays will not end.
Speaker 2: No, here's well, here's what it is. I think they're
Speaker 2: on weird days this year, like New Year's Day being
Speaker 2: on a Monday that felt weird Christmas and so it
Speaker 2: made the whole week feel totally thrown How many times
Speaker 2: of us said wait, what day is it? And I think, honey,
Speaker 2: that we just have two kids in college right now.
Speaker 2: They have a month long break. And by the way,
Speaker 2: here's how we're feeling. We love them. We are so
Speaker 2: happy they're at home. It has been an awesome trip.
Speaker 2: I know that they're ready to get rid of us
Speaker 2: at this point. They want to go back to their lives.
Speaker 1: We were talking today in the kitchen and they were
Speaker 1: both like kind of had long faces and they're like
Speaker 1: they were both talking and I walked in on the
Speaker 1: conversation about they're ready to get back that they're not
Speaker 1: exactly excited to get back to school, but they're ready
Speaker 1: to get back to school because that's their lives. And
Speaker 1: I remember, even though it was like back in the
Speaker 1: dark ages, go, you know, so ready to go back
Speaker 1: to school because you've built your life with your friends,
Speaker 1: fraternity brothers sorority sisters, your club, your soccer, your sports,
Speaker 1: whatever it is. And then you kind of get ripped
Speaker 1: out of it. You go home and it's kind of refreshing.
Speaker 1: You're back in your own bed, You're eating some home
Speaker 1: cooked meals, you got a washer and dryer, but man,
Speaker 1: it goes quick.
Speaker 2: Well, it's not good for anybody to go too long
Speaker 2: without a daily routine, and with these breaks especially, I
Speaker 2: think for kids in who have parents who are divorced
Speaker 2: and they have to go to each family and they
Speaker 2: might be in different states. They can't really work during
Speaker 2: the winter break. It's like not enough time to get
Speaker 2: a job, you know, it's not summer. But so then
Speaker 2: they like don't have a routine during the day. How
Speaker 2: long is a high school break, I don't remember.
Speaker 1: They all went back to school, so they everyone pretty
Speaker 1: much got out the fifteenth of December, that that Friday
Speaker 1: whatever that that actually hit well, and then it was
Speaker 1: probably going back this last Monday.
Speaker 2: Here's what I think every school winter break should be
Speaker 2: three weeks. I think that's the right amount.
Speaker 1: Because we're coming up to the Martin Luther King Holiday, right,
Speaker 1: and now our kids are not only off for the holidays,
Speaker 1: they're now off for the next MLK day. Then they're
Speaker 1: going back to school.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I know.
Speaker 1: Some colleges down in the SEC, down in the South,
Speaker 1: they're going the following week. They're still out another week,
Speaker 1: which is just insane. So and you know when they
Speaker 1: get out for.
Speaker 2: Picture this imagine going to stay home with your parents
Speaker 2: now for a month, no zero. They have to be
Speaker 2: so sick of us.
Speaker 1: Well because I don't get the you know, because I
Speaker 1: don't have the bribe of home cooked meals, the washer
Speaker 1: and dryer being such a novelty. At least we got
Speaker 1: that over the kids. But we had a great holiday
Speaker 1: and it's still going on. You know, it's we're pretty
Speaker 1: much going to get into spring break and we're still
Speaker 1: going to be But we.
Speaker 2: Did something that I'm not sure we've ever done with
Speaker 2: the kids before. Because I don't know if many gen
Speaker 2: z ers do it. We watched some of the Golden
Speaker 2: Globes with Taylor. Yes, like I've never and I think
Speaker 2: that when I was when I know that. When I
Speaker 2: was younger, I watched Awards shows because back then that
Speaker 2: was the only time you saw celebrities. Now they're on
Speaker 2: social media. So the Golden Globes, we watched them with Taylor.
Speaker 2: It was interesting to kind of watch it through her eyes.
Speaker 2: You realize it makes you feel a little old because
Speaker 2: you realize she doesn't know a lot of like the
Speaker 2: older movie stars were.
Speaker 1: We Is it because we've moved out of Hollywood and
Speaker 1: you know, both both you and I worked. I've worked
Speaker 1: the red carpet, so have you. We've been to all
Speaker 1: the parties. One of the last things we did in
Speaker 1: la before we moved was going to the Gold Globes
Speaker 1: parties and all that, and it was fun. It's a
Speaker 1: great of all the parties. I would say the Globes
Speaker 1: are fun because everybody's in the Hilton there and it's
Speaker 1: it's kind of everyone's together. But you and I both
Speaker 1: didn't know they were on. Is it? Is it a
Speaker 1: lack of what's the lack of awareness anymore.
Speaker 2: I was texting with a friend. Apparently CBS just got
Speaker 2: the rights to the Globes because remember the Globes went
Speaker 2: through this controversy in the past couple of years. The
Speaker 2: Hollywood Foreign Press Association was under fire for its lack
Speaker 2: of diversity. They were kind of disbanded. NBC didn't air
Speaker 2: refuse to air the Globes a few years ago. I
Speaker 2: think they went up for sale. Apparently CBS, my former employer,
Speaker 2: got the rights just a few weeks ago, so there
Speaker 2: wasn't a lot of promotion. Joe Koy, the host, said
Speaker 2: he only got the gig ten days beforehand. I heard
Speaker 2: reports that a lot of people turned it down. So overall,
Speaker 2: we watched a little of the Globes. I didn't really
Speaker 2: see the red carpet beforehand, the red carpet coverage.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw no red carpet coverage, but we watched
Speaker 1: the monologue on.
Speaker 2: Yes and the Globes are back numbers wise, I mean,
Speaker 2: not back, but a lot better than last year, which
Speaker 2: was a record low. But I feel like the past
Speaker 2: couple of days I've spent discussing what is the future
Speaker 2: of awards shows, like did you think the Globes were good.
Speaker 1: Well, in all fairness, and I'm not getting on this globeuse.
Speaker 1: I think it did a one point four rating in
Speaker 1: the demographic, which is that eighteen to forty nine year
Speaker 1: old coveted demographic. I believe six and a half maybe
Speaker 1: seven million viewers. I mean, that's fine if you're like
Speaker 1: in CIS or something like, if you're a regular show
Speaker 1: a Survivor finale on CBS, one point four would be good.
Speaker 1: An award show, live event like football Football was on
Speaker 1: at the same time Bill's Dolphins. It probably did fourteen
Speaker 1: to eighteen million viewers, so two to three x when
Speaker 1: the Globes did. So that just tells you these shows
Speaker 1: have become I don't know if they've become obsolete, and
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be mean at all, but they
Speaker 1: have become not the relevant talking point they used to be.
Speaker 2: Well, I think there's a couple of things that aren't
Speaker 2: their fault. Like one, again, this used to be the
Speaker 2: only place you could see celebrities. Now you see them
Speaker 2: on social media everywhere. Two, This award shows used to
Speaker 2: be one of the only places you could see really
Speaker 2: great fashion. Now we see fashion on social media constantly. Three.
Speaker 2: You know, the pandemic didn't help. It accelerated down a
Speaker 2: decline that was already happening. But I also think, and
Speaker 2: I don't know where this starts, the chicken or the
Speaker 2: egg of it all overall, my biggest issue with the
Speaker 2: Globes it just wasn't that fun. These awards shows aren't
Speaker 2: fun anymore. First of all, let's talk about Joe Coy.
Speaker 2: I have a new term for a bad joke. I
Speaker 2: call it a joke Coy.
Speaker 1: He's now become the punchline of a joke. Ironically, he
Speaker 1: is the funny punchline of a joke.
Speaker 2: So the jokes were okay, I'll give him this. People
Speaker 2: say this who have hosted these shows. And Steve Martin
Speaker 2: just came out and defended him a little bit, because
Speaker 2: Steve Martins hosted the Oscars and other awards shows over
Speaker 2: the years. And Steve Martin said, it's a very difficult job.
Speaker 2: Congrats to him because he took on the toughest gig
Speaker 2: in show business. Now I know that it's difficult. But
Speaker 2: the low hanging fruit jokes by Joe Cooy, Yeah, the
Speaker 2: joke about Barbie being a movie about a doll with
Speaker 2: big boobs, the joke about like, I don't know why
Speaker 2: we would there. I think there was a a joke,
Speaker 2: you know, a joke about Barry Keyogan's penis.
Speaker 1: It was just so the Oppenheimer needed to be an
Speaker 1: hour longer. That kind of it was just it was
Speaker 1: so basic.
Speaker 2: And then he turned on his writers in the middle
Speaker 2: of the monologue started blaming them, saying, I didn't write
Speaker 2: the jokes that you're not laughing at.
Speaker 1: You know what I noticed about the whole room just
Speaker 1: to start the look of it, because they changed the room.
Speaker 1: They added that so if you noticed, it was kind
Speaker 1: of in the round. They had the regular stage that
Speaker 1: they're always on. It's the same ballroom. It's at the
Speaker 1: Beverly Hilton there and Beverly Hill as you can drive
Speaker 1: by it at Wilshire and what is that right there?
Speaker 1: Santa Monica right there in Beverly Hill's same hotel forever.
Speaker 1: But they added this circular thing in the round, and
Speaker 1: they the stage. They took away cameramen and women and
Speaker 1: added they just put in electronic cameras. Did you notice
Speaker 1: that there was like three cameras on the stage that
Speaker 1: would electronically come up to either hit the host or
Speaker 1: the presenters or whoever it was. It was a really
Speaker 1: weird thing. So anyway, the point is they took much
Speaker 1: of that lower room where all the big stars usually sit.
Speaker 1: So to me, it looked like ten pounds of you
Speaker 1: know what shoved in a five pound sack.
Speaker 2: The whole room looked so crowded.
Speaker 1: Everybody couldn't get to the stage.
Speaker 2: People knew it was most of the shows. People walking
Speaker 2: around people's chairs. It was so like there, and that
Speaker 2: to me is so basic, Like I get it, CBS,
Speaker 2: you only just got the show. But think about if
Speaker 2: when we were planning our wedding we were thinking about
Speaker 2: how much space there was between tables for people to
Speaker 2: walk around.
Speaker 1: Bradley Cooper looked like he was at a Catholic mass.
Speaker 1: He got up and down out of his seat so
Speaker 1: much it looked like he was praying because he had
Speaker 1: to get up every time someone came back because there
Speaker 1: was no room to just walk to the stage. Rule
Speaker 1: number one, people are gonna win, get them to the stage.
Speaker 1: It looked it just looks so wed, I know, And.
Speaker 2: You know, I was texting my friend and I was
Speaker 2: my friend who used to work at ET and we
Speaker 2: were like are we just burnt out because we worked
Speaker 2: in the industry. But I'm looking at it thinking we've
Speaker 2: done this before. We've been doing the Globes for decades.
Speaker 2: How do we not know space the room out a
Speaker 2: little bit. How do we not know don't make people
Speaker 2: walk along time to the stage because that's just dead air.
Speaker 2: How do we not know the guy doing the monologue
Speaker 2: like it can be a little better. I know that
Speaker 2: it's tough because you're playing to a very varied group
Speaker 2: of people, not only in the room and at home.
Speaker 2: But I actually think it's time for us to be
Speaker 2: done with hosts that award shows. It doesn't work ninety
Speaker 2: percent of the time. The only times I can remember
Speaker 2: the Globes being great were when it was Tina Fey
Speaker 2: and Amy pull her together and some people like Tricky,
Speaker 2: I mean, you were the best.
Speaker 1: We love Ricky Gervais, meaning the rest of America. The
Speaker 1: Hollywood crowd did not like Ricky Gervais because he absolutely
Speaker 1: came for them. He came for them, the Jeffrey Epstein jokes,
Speaker 1: the Weinstein jokes, the I mean he he just would
Speaker 1: shine a big bright light on the hypocrisy that is
Speaker 1: Hollywood and the rest of us loved it because it
Speaker 1: was so fantastic and it was spot on. The glarees
Speaker 1: and the odd looks if I'll never forget like Tom
Speaker 1: Hanks looking around so uncomfortably, and I mean so he
Speaker 1: it was like he just made Hollywood so uncomfortable. But
Speaker 1: it was brilliant. Now, Amy Poehler, Tina Fey a plus plus.
Speaker 2: So they did it the best. I think at this
Speaker 2: point the comedians, because I hear a lot of people
Speaker 2: be like like, for example, Kristin Wigan, Will Ferrell, Oh
Speaker 2: my gosh. I love seeing them together again as presenters.
Speaker 2: They were so funny and I thought to myself, this
Speaker 2: is what the show should be. Just have really good
Speaker 2: presenting pairs, people who know each other. Andrew Day and
Speaker 2: John Batiste were so funny together. Put together people who
Speaker 2: know each other do not do. Kevin Costner and America
Speaker 2: Frera a poor America Frera up. There was drowning happened.
Speaker 2: I don't know what Kevin Costner was doing. I don't
Speaker 2: think he had read through it. I don't think he
Speaker 2: knew what he was saying. Maybe he needed his reading glasses.
Speaker 1: I was so uncomfortable and America Freerrah God bless her
Speaker 1: tried to carry on and still hit her punchlines. It
Speaker 1: was horror. I just wanted music to play and go
Speaker 1: to commercial. It was so horrifying. I don't know what
Speaker 1: happened there.
Speaker 2: So I think pairs of presenters who are friends who
Speaker 2: can do really well together, just because also I like
Speaker 2: I heard like Taylor said to me, Oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: Will Ferrell and Kristen Wig were so funny together. Why
Speaker 2: don't they just get them to host?
Speaker 1: By the way, the Suits reunion, that was great. Loved
Speaker 1: seeing them back on stage, and that was a really
Speaker 1: cute joke about taking so long for a show to
Speaker 1: be recognized. So I agree, But.
Speaker 2: I said to Taylor, Hey, it's not that they haven't
Speaker 2: asked them. These comedians like a Will Ferrell and Kristini,
Speaker 2: it is so much more advantageous to them to say
Speaker 2: we're just going to come out crush our two minutes
Speaker 2: of presenting. We're not going to take the risk of
Speaker 2: being because the Joe Koy job, the host job, is
Speaker 2: a risk. It can be hugely detrimental to your career.
Speaker 2: This was not a win for him.
Speaker 1: I mean, he can still be doing a stand up
Speaker 1: at the Laugh.
Speaker 2: Fame and I've never watched his stand up, but it's
Speaker 2: probably not reflective. He's probably a better stand up comedian
Speaker 2: of the SAE.
Speaker 1: Some comedians have come out and said that, you know,
Speaker 1: this is not indicative of how funny he can be
Speaker 1: and all that. Look. I don't know, but he was
Speaker 1: up against it. Eventually, you're going to get to someone
Speaker 1: who will say yes for the job. Ten days out
Speaker 1: that's an impossible task to come in and try and
Speaker 1: host the Golden Globes. But knowing that you should have
Speaker 1: accepted the loss and just kind of stayed a little straighter,
Speaker 1: hit a couple of jokes and just moved on. It
Speaker 1: was an impossible job, but he really made it worse
Speaker 1: by the jokes he made. And I the other thing
Speaker 1: I would say is we're done with the voiceover, going in.
Speaker 2: And out the voiceovers. We're so it's.
Speaker 1: Usually it Usually it's one of the disc jockey's, one
Speaker 1: of the DJ's radio people from LA that that do it.
Speaker 1: And it's not their fault because somebody writes it. And
Speaker 1: if you don't know what we're talking about, it's coming
Speaker 1: up after the break. Meryl Streep is, you know, sitting
Speaker 1: around waiting to see if if you know, and they
Speaker 1: take a shot at Meryl Streep and it's Martin Scorsese.
Speaker 2: The Martin Scorsese one was the worst one because they'd
Speaker 2: clearly pre planned it. But oh my gosh, we need
Speaker 2: to pivot. The Martin scor Sayse voiceover was coming up.
Speaker 2: Martin Scorsese can't sit still, and he was literally sitting side.
Speaker 2: I think he did fall asleep.
Speaker 1: Look, there are so many stars. That's the beautiful thing
Speaker 1: about the Globes is you do have so many big
Speaker 1: stars in that room. You don't need a voiceover. You
Speaker 1: don't need to tell somebody what's coming up next. We
Speaker 1: know what we're watching. Just show stars, Just show Taylor Swift,
Speaker 1: Jennifer Aniston, Bradley Cooper, you know, Jason Bateman was right there,
Speaker 1: Joaquin Phoenix. You had Timothy Shalome right there.
Speaker 2: Come we have lost the fun. They were so cheesy.
Speaker 2: Let's talk a book. I'm thinking of what you just
Speaker 2: brought up, Joaquin Phoenix. Let's process this. At one table
Speaker 2: was Joaquin Phoenix, Nicholas Cage, and Jared Leto. That is
Speaker 2: the weirdest table the most. I say this with love
Speaker 2: for all of them.
Speaker 1: You know what it is. That's the table and you
Speaker 1: and I just had this issue. You get to your
Speaker 1: wedding and there's like that person that doesn't quite fit
Speaker 1: and you're not sure what to do with them. So
Speaker 1: you have this table that's like table X at your wedding.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, what do we do with Jared Letto?
Speaker 1: I don't know, he's kind of on his own. Well
Speaker 1: there's Nick Cage. All right, Well let's put like, you know,
Speaker 1: Timothy Schalome there too. But it was funny because poor
Speaker 1: uh Joaquin Phoenix wasn't his fault, but he was on
Speaker 1: camera a lot the way they were shooting back towards
Speaker 1: that screen, and he just had his hand, you know,
Speaker 1: his head in his hand, like half asleep, like oh God,
Speaker 1: like just let this be over, Kate.
Speaker 2: But why can the voice of or not be Well
Speaker 2: there's Jared Lettow class Cage walking in Phoenix. What the
Speaker 2: hell are they talking about? Like what a table is that?
Speaker 1: Like? Have writers have late night writers ready to go
Speaker 1: with jokes? Or just my thing is NAT Sound go
Speaker 1: to break with fifteen seconds of nat Sound of stars.
Speaker 1: You're showing ted last because it's the one room I
Speaker 1: will say where you have these amazing get togethers because
Speaker 1: we are so compact in those rooms. It's all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, Ted Lasso Jason Sedeikis is talking to Meryl Streep.
Speaker 1: You never see that, right, you see Meryl Streep hugging
Speaker 1: Jennifer Aniston or you just see these weird kind of
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, I didn't know. Everybody was freaking out
Speaker 1: about Bill Hayter and dating the Alley one Elli Wong.
Speaker 1: Everyone's like, stop the Internet. I didn't know they were dating.
Speaker 1: So show that, just show.
Speaker 2: That, just show it and let it happen.
Speaker 1: I think we don't need something. There was the voiceovers
Speaker 1: really take me back to the seventies.
Speaker 2: And it reeked of like just a lack of it
Speaker 2: said something like love celebrities fanning out for each other.
Speaker 2: I'm like, when was this written? It was so bad,
Speaker 2: And the moments are happening, because what do we get
Speaker 2: Selena Gomez going over to talk to Taylor Swift and
Speaker 2: Kayleie Teller to say whatever gossip she had to say.
Speaker 2: And that moment was probably the biggest moment of the Globes.
Speaker 1: And this is where and I do think it was
Speaker 1: Dick Clark Productions and I've been a part of these
Speaker 1: productions before, because I've gone on and done some stuff
Speaker 1: for the Oscars and the Academy and some of these shows.
Speaker 1: You have very very old school TV people, and I
Speaker 1: mean old.
Speaker 2: School are you talking about.
Speaker 1: They've been doing this, yes, yeah, they were doing this
Speaker 1: when John Wayne was winning Oscars and they're like, this
Speaker 1: is what we're gonna write, and you write it five
Speaker 1: days before it happens. So they don't quite get the
Speaker 1: TikTok Instagram stories world we live in, where all we
Speaker 1: really want to see you're basically showing reels. Show us
Speaker 1: five second reels going to break. Boom, Taylor Swift, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, what are they talking about? I don't know.
Speaker 1: There's is that Jared Leto with Nick Cage, Oh my god?
Speaker 1: Switch over to Jason Bateman hugging on. That's all we
Speaker 1: want is quick reels. I don't need the voiceovers, just
Speaker 1: show that going to break.
Speaker 2: So, having done all the live TV you've done, I
Speaker 2: mean you did live after shows, you did Miss America Live, what.
Speaker 1: I did, the Red Carpets at all of the allshos.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's different. I mean I've done those. That's
Speaker 2: very different than like a show because the live Red
Speaker 2: Carpets you're kind of like people are coming and it's
Speaker 2: a little harder. I'm talking a produced show where you
Speaker 2: have a run of show, but it is live. What
Speaker 2: advice would you give to anybody about to undertake something
Speaker 2: like this? What are like three and producing it all
Speaker 2: together or hosting it? What are three takeaways? Three pitfalls
Speaker 2: that live TVs can get into?
Speaker 1: My thing because I produced, I produe executive produce and
Speaker 1: host of The Red Carpets for TV Guide for many years,
Speaker 1: and my thing was, don't forget what the fans want
Speaker 1: to see. And you hit the nail on the head.
Speaker 1: So ten days out, instead of trying to find somebody
Speaker 1: again at one of the local laugh factories of the
Speaker 1: comedy club, just go without a host.
Speaker 2: Guys, you know, not annoyed me? Why didn't they just
Speaker 2: do that? And I know I've been saying this, but
Speaker 2: here's another Well, here's another reason it annoyed me. What
Speaker 2: I actually wanted to see, what you're saying, what the
Speaker 2: fans wanted to see. I would have loved to let
Speaker 2: people's speeches breathe a little bit more.
Speaker 1: What I would have done, I would have said, we
Speaker 1: don't have a host this year. Robert Downey Jr. Will
Speaker 1: you open the show? Jason Bateman, will you open the show?
Speaker 1: Will Ferrell, will you just open the show? Don't don't,
Speaker 1: don't do a monologue thirty seconds. Let's just kick this
Speaker 1: thing off with a big star that is very beloved.
Speaker 1: That's the Steve Martin, that's the Billy Crystal. It's just
Speaker 1: someone we want to you know, that's gonna make us
Speaker 1: feel good. You don't have to rip the room. That's
Speaker 1: Ricky Gervasis thing, Amy Puller and Tina Fey were brilliant
Speaker 1: at what they did. But just let stars be stars.
Speaker 1: That's what we want to see. And you know, bring
Speaker 1: a dynamic duo out. Maybe you open it with Will
Speaker 1: Ferrell and whoever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Robert Downey Junior's speech made me laugh
Speaker 2: more than anything. Joe Cooy. He said that he crushed
Speaker 2: the room and you saw that natru charisma he has
Speaker 2: and he's probably more comfortable in that room. He's been
Speaker 2: in it, his friends are in it. You need somebody
Speaker 2: who's comfortable. How about that rom com we saw with Taylor.
Speaker 2: Anyone but you has been doing really well at the
Speaker 2: box office. Please let that inspire Hollywood to make rom
Speaker 2: coms again, comedies and romantic movies.
Speaker 1: And we had you know, and the Jennifer Lawrence m
Speaker 1: I know it wasn't being celebrated, but it was like,
Speaker 1: no hard feelings.
Speaker 2: So she was nominated at the Globes.
Speaker 1: And it was fun. It was she was cute when
Speaker 1: she when she had her a little close up. I
Speaker 1: don't win.
Speaker 2: I'm leaving now. I want to talk a little bit
Speaker 2: about the Red Carpet because you mentioned you've done it.
Speaker 2: I've done it. We did not watch it. My old
Speaker 2: home et did a combo carpet with variety because and
Speaker 2: there was no e Red carpet this year.
Speaker 1: Oh really.
Speaker 2: Now, I don't know exactly why that was.
Speaker 1: Must be the first time in a long Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't know if they just didn't want to pay
Speaker 2: to do it or if I don't know, but so
Speaker 2: there was no cake out. I mean, that's that's it.
Speaker 1: What you think about it.
Speaker 2: That's a missing piece.
Speaker 1: You know. The seacrest has gone. Juliana Ransick did it
Speaker 1: for forever, and yeah, all those people are long gone,
Speaker 1: and I guess so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was expensive, yes, and it was critiqued very heavily.
Speaker 2: Everything that I saw, I did not watch any of it,
Speaker 2: but it was critiqued very heavily. It is very difficult.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, I'm also wondering, like, is
Speaker 2: that part of it all dead today? The Red Carpet Reporters,
Speaker 2: Like it used to be fashion police and critiquing and
Speaker 2: all that. There was backlash to that. It was like
Speaker 2: no bullying, no meanness. But the thing is now I
Speaker 2: feel like that just happens on social media, like now
Speaker 2: the Red Carpet Reporters. And I know I personally was
Speaker 2: like very you're almost afraid to even show personality because
Speaker 2: you don't want to upset anybody and so and you're
Speaker 2: just trying to do your job, but you also have
Speaker 2: a bunch of mandates in your head. But now it's
Speaker 2: just everybody on social media is just critiquing everyone. It's
Speaker 2: just moved there. Do you think that in the case
Speaker 2: of a live show, do you go to your monologue
Speaker 2: and then do you go back and like check the
Speaker 2: reactions before you go out again and respond in somewhere
Speaker 2: or do you just power through the live show and
Speaker 2: look at it all after time.
Speaker 1: I was always so you know, we had this battle
Speaker 1: on the Bachelor, there were two guys, and I say guys,
Speaker 1: two men in particular, that lived, ate, drank, and slept.
Speaker 1: Whatever was said on Twitter. I mean, one tweet could
Speaker 1: shape their world. My thought when I was doing live
Speaker 1: TV was we drove social media, not vice versa. We
Speaker 1: would create topics. We want to go viral, we want
Speaker 1: to be talked about. It's very rare that I would
Speaker 1: bring up a topic that I saw on social media,
Speaker 1: and it's very rare that that works. Everyone tried to E.
Speaker 1: I worked at E, I worked at ET, I worked
Speaker 1: at all these places, you name it. I did all
Speaker 1: those places, and everybody's tried to do the same thing.
Speaker 1: And you know this, how do we incorporate social media
Speaker 1: into our red carpet shows? And it never quite worked out.
Speaker 2: I think that's another part of the problem too, is
Speaker 2: like we would always be trying to find trying to
Speaker 2: like It's like they spend the red carpets trying to
Speaker 2: get on top of like this latest thing or create
Speaker 2: a viral moment or whatever, and you can't that's the
Speaker 2: whole thing. You can't make it happen the quote unquote
Speaker 2: viral moment. And I hate even saying the word viral
Speaker 2: because it sounds so dated, But that happens on accident
Speaker 2: when you happen to catch Selena Gomez going over to
Speaker 2: say something gossip via Taylor Swift and you happen to
Speaker 2: get it, and then it's fire. You cannot create it,
Speaker 2: And I think the best thing to do is to
Speaker 2: go for quality content and let the viral stuff happen.
Speaker 2: But everyone's very afraid to do that. Like I was
Speaker 2: always like, we're it's like we're again the tail wagon
Speaker 2: the dog. We're chasing this instead of like, let's ask
Speaker 2: the questions we really want to know the answers to
Speaker 2: and then hopefully the viral the moments will happen out
Speaker 2: of that.
Speaker 1: I used to really enjoy the Red Carpets News. I'll
Speaker 1: take people kind of inside baseball. So when you're doing
Speaker 1: the Grammys, Oscars, all these and I was executive producing
Speaker 1: and hosting, I would have to go meet with the academy.
Speaker 1: So I would go sit down with the academy. It
Speaker 1: was me and our other executives, and you're basically begging, borrowing,
Speaker 1: and stealing. You're doing everything you can to basically bribe
Speaker 1: these people to get a good spot on the carpet,
Speaker 1: so E usually seacrest E would go in first, they'd
Speaker 1: have their meeting. They would usually get spot number one.
Speaker 1: TV Guide was either number two or number three. Then
Speaker 1: it was us and it was big on where your
Speaker 1: spot was on the carpet, how big your stage was
Speaker 1: allowed to be like, it was a big deal. Seacrest
Speaker 1: at the Oscars didn't have to stand behind the hedges.
Speaker 1: There's this row of hedges that we all have to
Speaker 1: stand behind. And at the end of the day, your
Speaker 1: thighs look like a porcupine hit you. And you know,
Speaker 1: Ryan had a little red velvet rope he got to stand.
Speaker 1: It was like little things like that, so you could
Speaker 1: be buddy buddy, and the conversations were great. Eight We
Speaker 1: used to have really good fun stuff. The actors came
Speaker 1: to be funny. You just wanted to set them up
Speaker 1: and have a good time. And you've got a lot
Speaker 1: more viral stuff. And I also think that you have
Speaker 1: to be live. If these shows aren't live, then they're
Speaker 1: meaningless because you're doing a red carpet before the Oscars.
Speaker 1: As soon as the Oscars air, it's obsolete because you're
Speaker 1: asking him about the Oscars and so if it's not live,
Speaker 1: then it really doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Oscars were the hardest one too, because everybody's
Speaker 2: so done by the end. It's the end of Awards season,
Speaker 2: by the way, I'm just seeing this. Greta Gerwig did
Speaker 2: respond to the Joe Cooy barbie joke. She's doing an
Speaker 2: interview and she just responded to it. She said, well,
Speaker 2: he's not wrong. She's the first doll that was mass
Speaker 2: produced with breasts, so he's right on. Good responds for
Speaker 2: her didn't really draw a line one way or the
Speaker 2: other because it would.
Speaker 1: Have been easy for her to crap on him because
Speaker 1: it's low hanging fruit because everybody's dog.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't think it would have been low hanging
Speaker 2: for for her. I think it would have been fair
Speaker 2: for her because she would have been like, well.
Speaker 1: I like this. She kind of was just yeah, it's funny,
Speaker 1: like that's fine, it's okay.
Speaker 2: I mean, it wasn't funny, but it was there. You
Speaker 2: know what I will say for Joekoy, I don't think
Speaker 2: he's done. I think one thing that these Awards shows
Speaker 2: does drive home to me, Hollywood is such an industry
Speaker 2: and I mean this in a hopeful way, big swings,
Speaker 2: big misses, big ups, big downs. I mean, you're looking there.
Speaker 2: One thing everybody was talking about from the Globes was
Speaker 2: that Bradley Cooper spent like six years on Maestro and
Speaker 2: it is getting shut out. It is not winning. He
Speaker 2: is not winning for it, and or like Joaquin Phoenix
Speaker 2: is there but not for Napoleon. Napoleon is this huge
Speaker 2: epic no one's talking about. And it doesn't mean his
Speaker 2: career is over. It doesn't mean these director's careers are over.
Speaker 2: It is an industry where you can be completely in
Speaker 2: the gutter one minute and then all it takes is
Speaker 2: your next thing to work. So you know, I don't
Speaker 2: want Joekoy's career to be over for this. He did
Speaker 2: his best and it was a really tough job. But
Speaker 2: I am saying I'm done with hosts that awards shows.
Speaker 2: Just give me two great minutes from a Will Farrell
Speaker 2: and a Kristen Wig, two great minutes from a Tina
Speaker 2: Fan and Amy Poehler. Whatever.
Speaker 1: Emmy's are coming up there Monday, but it's weird because
Speaker 1: the Emmys are being replaced from last year, so because
Speaker 1: they didn't.
Speaker 2: Host the place, they're delayed these are the Emmys that
Speaker 2: were supposed to air in like September. Body's mind by
Speaker 2: the way, Yeah, the writer's strike held them off. So
Speaker 2: like Jeremy Allen White was nominated for season two of
Speaker 2: The Bear at the Golden Globes, but a week later
Speaker 2: he's nominated at the Emmys for season one of The Bear.
Speaker 2: I think, yes, I could be right.
Speaker 1: By the way, it was better than season two, so
Speaker 1: he should win both.
Speaker 2: It's screwed up. They were supposed to a This was going.
Speaker 1: To be probably a lot of Ted Lasso, a lot
Speaker 1: of succession, a lot of which, by the way, kudos
Speaker 1: to success I mean that was fantastic. I love seeing
Speaker 1: them being honored because they got there was such a
Speaker 1: good show. But yeah, you're going to see a lot
Speaker 1: of that at the Emmys because we're going back a year,
Speaker 1: which is really weird. Is it even the last year
Speaker 1: of Ted last year?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I was just going to say, I
Speaker 2: don't think you're going to see I don't know about
Speaker 2: a lot of succession.
Speaker 1: God, I don't know, are up And then we have
Speaker 1: the I don't know if anyone's hosting the Emmys, and
Speaker 1: then you have the Oscars, and I think Jimmy Kimmel
Speaker 1: has already been tapped to do the oscars again, which
Speaker 1: will be really interesting to see how he handles the oscars.
Speaker 1: But it's a very friendly room for him. Those are
Speaker 1: his people. We're on a golden theme.
Speaker 2: Well, we wanted to ask you about this because a
Speaker 2: couple people were dming and asking for your thoughts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've gotten a few of these people have been
Speaker 1: asking about this moment.
Speaker 2: I guess the Golden Bachelor wedding aired. Yes, Now we
Speaker 2: have not seen it. Neither of us watched it, so
Speaker 2: I want to say that disclaimer. We watch it, but
Speaker 2: people were asking for your thoughts on the fact that
Speaker 2: someone got engaged at the Golden Bachelor wedding. Now, I
Speaker 2: will say I think we did a podcast episode about this.
Speaker 2: We did where we both adamantly said we do not
Speaker 2: think it is okay for people to get engaged at
Speaker 2: other people's weddings. I think it steals the spotlight from
Speaker 2: the bride and groom. There's three hundred and sixty four
Speaker 2: other days of the year you can do this, so
Speaker 2: I am not okay with it, but I don't think
Speaker 2: this was a normal wedding.
Speaker 1: So our genius producer. Easton was there? Easton, you were
Speaker 1: at the wedding, right, I was. I wasn't at the ceremony.
Speaker 1: I was on site at the wedding doing some work. Okay,
Speaker 1: So give us, give us your little play by play
Speaker 1: because I have not seen it and I have not
Speaker 1: seen video. But you're saying they asked permission. I understand
Speaker 1: that they got permission from Gary and Teresa to do that.
Speaker 1: Was that off air or on air? That was off air? Okay?
Speaker 1: On air? It didn't. It looked like it was a
Speaker 1: spur of the moment thing. Yo. Were there cameras, there
Speaker 1: were a camra Okay, okay, so there is nothing spur
Speaker 1: of the moment about this. So look, thank you Easton,
Speaker 1: our intrepid reporter on the scene there breaking news. So okay,
Speaker 1: here's the thing that you need to know about this moment.
Speaker 1: And because I know that this young man, I don't
Speaker 1: know who it was, but he's getting backlash for it
Speaker 1: because oh, how dare you steal the limelight from this
Speaker 1: person that was at their wedding? Guys, this was one
Speaker 1: hundred percent scripted, one hundred percent planned as soon as
Speaker 1: I did not see it. But this is how I
Speaker 1: know it's one hundred percent. They said he pulled out
Speaker 1: a Neil Lane ring. He didn't go buy a Neil
Speaker 1: Laane ring. Nobody, no one from the batchler goes to
Speaker 1: buy a Neil Laane ring. That means it was given
Speaker 1: to him. So that that's the only clue I needed.
Speaker 1: When I heard Neil Lane, I go, okay, they gave
Speaker 1: him a ring. One of the producers, this is their job.
Speaker 1: One of the producers called this young man and said, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, do you think you would propose the wedding?
Speaker 1: This would be really great. We'll get it on camera. Well,
Speaker 1: And I don't know if it aired the wedding, I
Speaker 1: have no idea. If not, it'll air coming up. You'll
Speaker 1: see it at one of the specials or the next
Speaker 1: I don't know what incarnation of the show they're they're
Speaker 1: showing next. But this was set up by the producers.
Speaker 1: The the Golden Bachelor guy and his wife. They were
Speaker 1: told about it so they wouldn't get upset. Everybody knew
Speaker 1: there were cameras there, it was lit, it was staged.
Speaker 1: The director ken Fuchs told him exactly where to be,
Speaker 1: where to stand, where to kneel. Who was behind him,
Speaker 1: the stage was set, everything about that moment was set up.
Speaker 1: Of course, I guess the three cameras, they probably had
Speaker 1: a nice wide shot, maybe even a four with a jib.
Speaker 1: You're going to see a nice when you see it.
Speaker 1: You'll see a jib pull back. You'll see a tight
Speaker 1: shot on him, tight shot on her, the three, the
Speaker 1: two shot, and then you probably have a nice jib shot.
Speaker 1: So we had four cameras for this impromptu moment.
Speaker 2: I need someone to go and check and see if
Speaker 2: he's correct on this.
Speaker 1: To you, that's what it was, which, by the way,
Speaker 1: is fine. By the way, I'm not poopooing on it.
Speaker 1: That's what I would do too. That's why I know
Speaker 1: is I've been a part of these moments, and none
Speaker 1: of these were surprised. Nothing like that would ever happen
Speaker 1: as a surprise at our show because, by the way,
Speaker 1: if it did happen as a surprise, a producer would
Speaker 1: be fired because if you allowed that to sneak in
Speaker 1: and we didn't know and we didn't get it on camera,
Speaker 1: then you failed at your job and you didn't know
Speaker 1: the story.
Speaker 2: We are here in defense of whoever got engaged, because
Speaker 2: of course, like again, if it's a regular wedding, different story.
Speaker 2: This is a televised wedding. This is a show. This
Speaker 2: is a production. Everything that's happened is choreographed, everything is intentional.
Speaker 2: You're creating an entertainment show. I'm not saying it was
Speaker 2: not a real wedding, but it's an entertainment show wedding
Speaker 2: for people. So that was a beat in the story.
Speaker 2: It was a plot point.
Speaker 1: Sean and Catherine's wedding. I hosted Jaden Tanner's I officiate,
Speaker 1: hosted and officiated, you know, same thing with Ashley and JP.
Speaker 1: So the day before, well several days before, we would
Speaker 1: do a run through, just kind of a table read. Basically,
Speaker 1: I would get my book and I would know exactly
Speaker 1: what's going on. The day before we actually have a rehearsal.
Speaker 1: So that's just how that's how technical and lined up
Speaker 1: this is. We would rehearse everything. I would read through
Speaker 1: the prompter to make sure the prompter's good, all the
Speaker 1: lights are good. We would test them because you know,
Speaker 1: usually I would be in different areas. You know, you
Speaker 1: would start as the host that I would go on
Speaker 1: stage and make sure those microphones work, to make sure
Speaker 1: the lines of communication and the lighting look good, and Dennis,
Speaker 1: our amazing lighting director, would make sure that the shadows
Speaker 1: are gone and all that. Then we, you know, often
Speaker 1: we would go inside and have the reception set up.
Speaker 1: So for like Jayden Tanner, it's like okay, Seal came
Speaker 1: and played Okay, make room for Seal and the lighting
Speaker 1: and all that. And so all of this is to
Speaker 1: say that it is very organized. It's like Lauren said,
Speaker 1: it's a television show. We don't just cameras up and
Speaker 1: hope it goes well. You have to produce this stuff.
Speaker 1: If you leave everybody to their own devices, you're not
Speaker 1: Just like if somebody brought cameras to our wedding and said, okay,
Speaker 1: let's just go live. That's not interesting. You don't know
Speaker 1: who you're following. You know, you would need to mike
Speaker 1: everybody know what's going on, and you would create the
Speaker 1: pods of people talking and all that. You would get
Speaker 1: the shot of Jason and Caitlin together.
Speaker 2: It's actually something I loved about our wedding was the well, no, no,
Speaker 2: I mean that you were able to produce it a
Speaker 2: little bit. I did when we went to the location
Speaker 2: the day before, which I think most bride and grooms
Speaker 2: do you have a rehearsal dinner or something. You rehearse
Speaker 2: it a little bit. But we changed the time of
Speaker 2: the wedding a little bit. We did because Chris was
Speaker 2: looking at the way the light was hitting and he's like,
Speaker 2: the light's going to be right in your eyes here,
Speaker 2: or it's going to be right in the eyes of
Speaker 2: the crowd. Like and so you were a good.
Speaker 1: Twenty years of television kicked in because we were going
Speaker 1: to get married right at six o'clock and kind of
Speaker 1: this golden hour. And I hadn't been to the site
Speaker 1: yet at that time of day, and so you and
Speaker 1: I went for that walk through and I stood there
Speaker 1: and yeah, the sun was just above these oak trees
Speaker 1: and it was just slamming, and it was in our face,
Speaker 1: and then it was going to hit everybody watching, because
Speaker 1: you know, we were going to be backlit. And so
Speaker 1: I said, you left because you had something to do.
Speaker 1: I said, I'm going to stay here for another fifteen
Speaker 1: minutes and wait and see when the sun drops just perfectly.
Speaker 1: And so I waited for fifteen minutes, and I delayed
Speaker 1: our wedding. I pushed everything back fifteen to twenty minutes
Speaker 1: just for the lighting. So ken Fuchs Dennis, for all
Speaker 1: the years we worked together, you guys, thank you for
Speaker 1: the wisdom you imparted upon me because it sunk in
Speaker 1: and it made for a beautiful Piffoto definitely produced our wedding,
Speaker 1: and things.
Speaker 2: I didn't think about, like the microphone you were great about.
Speaker 2: I think we were because we did have a videographer,
Speaker 2: which I would recommend some people skip out on it.
Speaker 2: I was really glad we did it, and we kind
Speaker 2: of added it last week.
Speaker 1: I was against it at first, and I'm glad we
Speaker 1: did it too.
Speaker 2: You know why were you against it?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess I just because I want pictures.
Speaker 1: I love just good pictures, and so I just didn't
Speaker 1: think of the video of it all.
Speaker 2: But it's expensive. But I think if nothing else, have
Speaker 2: somebody have a friend in the in your audience, assign
Speaker 2: them to whip out their cell phone and film the vows,
Speaker 2: because I know people who didn't do a video and
Speaker 2: they are so bummed that they weren't able to have
Speaker 2: like the vows, and also toasts on camera because you
Speaker 2: kind of black out in the moment and then you
Speaker 2: sort of want to go back and actually process what
Speaker 2: people said.
Speaker 1: They get to see, you know, other people watching, and I,
Speaker 1: you know, especially with Austin, just us walking in together,
Speaker 1: was seeing that video because you get to see you know,
Speaker 1: I kind of looked around a little bit, but you
Speaker 1: don't get to see everybody's faces and you sell people like,
Speaker 1: oh they were right there. No, So that that was
Speaker 1: really special. I was glad we did it.
Speaker 2: That was something I didn't think about, was like the
Speaker 2: microphones that you thought about, like I because in Austin,
Speaker 2: I think you were miked, but I wasn't. And it
Speaker 2: was also about like are we whitch mic is just
Speaker 2: for people to hear versus what's for the videographers? And
Speaker 2: I remember you were like, it's fine because my Michael
Speaker 2: pick her up, and I'm like, God, I'm so glad
Speaker 2: he's here right now. But yeah, what do you think
Speaker 2: is harder to do? Let's wrap it up on this. Yes,
Speaker 2: is it harder to produce a live wedding for television
Speaker 2: with guests and with ceremony and all that, or an
Speaker 2: award show?
Speaker 1: It should be harder to produce a wedding because you
Speaker 1: don't have access to to the stars. I mean the
Speaker 1: award show should be, on its face a layap. You
Speaker 1: have the biggest stars in the world to play with,
Speaker 1: show them, show me stars, let me see stars, let
Speaker 1: me hear stars. It's why the Golden Globes used to
Speaker 1: be the darling of award season. All the stars are
Speaker 1: in one hotel. We're in one ballroom. We have champagne
Speaker 1: and caviat They're loose, they're drinking, they're having fun. Get
Speaker 1: them on stage, television, film, music. Everybody is gathered together
Speaker 1: for one big moment. The Oscars is very niche, the
Speaker 1: Emmys very niche, The Grammy's very niche. The Globes is
Speaker 1: the one that brings them all together. And they don't
Speaker 1: care what used to be the Hollywood Forum Press. They
Speaker 1: would say, we don't care. We want the big stars
Speaker 1: on our red carpet. We're going to celebrate this movie's.
Speaker 1: Movies like Barbie used to not be celebrated. But the
Speaker 1: Globes will embrace that. And I think that that should
Speaker 1: be a layup to produce. So to fail it is
Speaker 1: to me a big injustice because I think it should
Speaker 1: be a great show. Weddings are hard because you only
Speaker 1: you know. You may have kind of stars getting married,
Speaker 1: but then you it's hard to capture and.
Speaker 2: Now it's hard to make somebody's cousin like a really
Speaker 2: great Strea moment. Yeah, and even if it's your funny cousin.
Speaker 1: Sally is funny to us at Thanksgiving, but is she
Speaker 1: funny to the world.
Speaker 2: You know, the best line of the Globes was, and
Speaker 2: I guarantee it was improvised, was when Will Wilfarell said,
Speaker 2: it smells like hot sushi here because it was sent
Speaker 2: because they were serving sushi for the first time someone
Speaker 2: would acknowledge that, and that room looked so crowded. I
Speaker 2: kept thinking, it looks so hot in there. And that's
Speaker 2: the thing. Put too, You have the most talented people
Speaker 2: in the world in that room. Yeah, Will Ferrell's one
Speaker 2: of the funniest people of all time. Give them a
Speaker 2: presenting moment, give them a little bit to play with,
Speaker 2: but don't make them stick to the script too much,
Speaker 2: because those improvised moments are great. Hot sushi. This was
Speaker 2: the Golden Globes this year, summed up in two words,
Speaker 2: hot sushi.
Speaker 1: Hot sushi.
Speaker 2: Like it's not it's you eat it, but it wasn't great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're filling station hot Sushi. But we will
Speaker 1: see how the rest of the word season goes. And
Speaker 1: it is good to be back with everybody. I know
Speaker 1: we're we are already into it. But happy New Year,
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