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Speaker 1: Welcome everybody to the Monday edition of the Clay Travis

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Speaker 1: and Buck Sexton Show. And it's a big one. A

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Speaker 1: lot of celebration, a lot of news. Much to discuss

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Speaker 1: with all of you. All twenty remaining hostages, returns of

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Speaker 1: the hostages who could have been returned alive. They have

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Speaker 1: been returned to Israel from Gaza. All twenty remitting hostages

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Speaker 1: alive in Gaza have been returned to Israel. Is the headline.

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Speaker 1: A lot of celebration on the streets, the end of

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Speaker 1: that war, the return of twenty hostages still alive. You've

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Speaker 1: also got the exchange of couple thousand Palestinian detainees as

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Speaker 1: part of this process. Trump is in Egypt. He has

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Speaker 1: been pushing for not just discussions about this deal now,

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Speaker 1: but also a broader, permanent Mid East peace. He says,

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Speaker 1: Phase two of the peace deal has begun. We have

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Speaker 1: a tremendous amount to look at now, both in celebration

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Speaker 1: and also in look ahead. Here is President Trump. This

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Speaker 1: is cut ten, addressing Israel's knesse It, their legislative body.

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Speaker 1: This has cut ten. Listen what the President had to say.

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Speaker 2: We gather in a day of profound joy, of soaring hope,

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Speaker 2: of renewed faith and bubble. A day to give our

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Speaker 2: deepest thanks to the Almighty God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

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Speaker 2: After two harrowing years and darkness and captivity, twenty courageous

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Speaker 2: hostages are returning to the glorious embrace of their families.

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Speaker 2: And it is glorious. Twenty eight more precious loved ones

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Speaker 2: are coming home at last to rest in this sacred

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Speaker 2: soil for all of time, and after so many years

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Speaker 2: of unceasing war and endless danger. Today the skies are calm,

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Speaker 2: the guns are silent, the sirens are still, and the

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Speaker 2: sun rises on a holy land that is finally at peace,

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Speaker 2: a land and a region that will live God willing

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Speaker 2: in peace for all eternity.

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Speaker 1: Clay, it is just a momentous, a momentous occasion, a

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Speaker 1: huge day, massive wind for the Trump administration or humanity. Well,

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Speaker 1: the first time in my lifetime people are talking about

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Speaker 1: peace in the Middle East as truly achievable after this

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Speaker 1: massive agreement has gone into play.

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Speaker 3: I think it is one of the greatest days of

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Speaker 3: many great days in the Trump administrations over the past decade.

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Speaker 4: I had so many thoughts.

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Speaker 3: As i watched the hostages come back, and I know

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Speaker 3: many of you did as well. I think you can

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Speaker 3: start with the American side, which is they told us

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Speaker 3: for a decade that Trump was Hitler, and now Trump

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Speaker 3: is the most popular politician in the history of America

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Speaker 3: in Israel. Probably a pretty significant sign that that is

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Speaker 3: a major, major lie that all of us knew was

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Speaker 3: being told. But I think even for the people who've

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Speaker 3: been lying about that for a decade, it's going to

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Speaker 3: become very difficult to do it going forward. The response

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Speaker 3: that President Trump got in the Knesset was actually better

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Speaker 4: I think that's significant.

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Speaker 3: And for a big picture take when we went to

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Speaker 3: Israel in December, producer Ali Andrew on our team and me.

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Speaker 3: We got off the planes buck we were some of

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Speaker 3: the only foreigners in Israel, and you saw these hostage

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Speaker 3: in two years, they've been taken down. The hostages have

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Speaker 3: come home. We went to Tel Aviv Hostage Square they

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Speaker 3: the hostages. I saw videos of pandemonium breaking out as

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Speaker 3: all of the hostages, the twenty remaining hostages that are alive,

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Speaker 3: all of you out there that are fortunate enough to

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Speaker 3: living with your loved ones, your kids, your grandkids, being

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately many of those hostages were killed by Jimas, but

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Speaker 3: for the ones who are still alive, it is a

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Speaker 3: fitting cornerstone to what we hope is a foundation of

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Speaker 3: peace that's being built there. And Buck, on top of

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Speaker 3: everything else, I just look at this and it really

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Speaker 3: does feel like Trump two point zero is going to

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Speaker 3: be the most transformative presidency of the twenty first century

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Speaker 3: by far, and maybe the most transformative presidency since Ronald Reagan.

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Speaker 3: For those of us out there who have been alive

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Speaker 3: for the past several generations, Trump is now competing not

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Speaker 3: to me Buck in the annals of the American presidency

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Speaker 3: us out there who have been Trump supporters, this is

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Speaker 3: a day of validation that our judgment was sound and

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Speaker 3: That's kind of my big thoughts as I watched all

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Speaker 1: Buck, if you were to lay out in advance of

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Speaker 1: an administration, what are the great things that could be

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Speaker 1: achieved that have so far been unachievable for previous administrations,

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Speaker 1: Middy's piece, almost as a cliche, would be at the

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Speaker 1: top of the list. You know, oh, Middy's piece. So yes,

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Speaker 1: everyone tries, everyone fails. I actually knew someone who had

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Speaker 1: worked in the State Department for decades and he said,

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Speaker 1: the one thing you always have to remember at Middle

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Speaker 1: everyone fails. And that was the cynicism that forty plus

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Speaker 1: to that goal now than any administration before him. Clay,

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Speaker 1: you mentioned you went and visited Israel. You went to

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Speaker 1: Hostage Square. You know, people are rightly in exaltation. They

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Speaker 1: are jubilant over the return of twenty of these hostages.

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Speaker 1: This has been something that the entirety of the Israeli people,

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Speaker 1: the Jewish people, Americans, allies of Israel, have been waiting for.

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Speaker 1: But I have to say, the sense of accomplishment here

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Speaker 1: that this is the time that Hamas has accepted truly

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Speaker 1: under agreement, push out of leadership. This is an end

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Speaker 1: But Minie's piece was where I started in college looking

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Speaker 1: this has been the thing. This has been the durable,

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Speaker 1: And there has never been a day of greater hope

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Speaker 4: And how did he do it?

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Speaker 3: I think there are going to be a lot of

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Speaker 3: all of those guys are deal makers. They're primarily real

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Speaker 3: they basically looked at Midea's peace, not through the prism

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Speaker 3: but through Okay, let's find a commonality.

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Speaker 4: We like to make money, we like to build things.

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Speaker 3: That's an agreement, that's a relationship that's very positive. And

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Speaker 3: upon that foundation of capitalism and on building new things,

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Speaker 3: let's create a durable, hopefully and lasting peace on that.

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Speaker 3: And so I think they started with that commonality and

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Speaker 4: Buck I saw somebody share a tweet.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was great, And there may be multiple

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Speaker 3: people who've made this argument, but essentially, the only hostages

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Speaker 3: And this is where now the management of this is

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Speaker 3: leaders who are saying enough already, we don't want to

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Speaker 3: fight forever with Israel. Let's just build a foundation of

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Speaker 3: not an intractable problem that can never be solved. Let's

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Speaker 3: I think that's the way Trump has approached this and

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Speaker 2: From October seventh until this week, Israel has been a

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Speaker 4: It was a very tough period of time for.

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Speaker 2: So many families across this land. It has been years

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Speaker 1: I've had so many people come up to me recently, yes,

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Speaker 1: to me for this show, for standing with Israel and

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Speaker 1: maintaining a moral clarity on what had happened here starting

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Speaker 1: thank you for what you have been willing to do

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump was never confused. And we see that his

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'll echo that and just leave you all

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Speaker 8: Thank you for withdrawing from the disastrous Iron Mucler deal.

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Speaker 1: it has. The willingness of the Saudis and the Gulf

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Speaker 1: States to be constructive with international relations in the Middle East.

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Speaker 1: Here it is massive the implications of all of this. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: over at MSNBC, their favorite historian John Meacham, who has

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Speaker 1: said that Trump is a threat to democracy. This is

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Speaker 1: an existential threat. I mean, he's, along with the others,

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Speaker 1: said some of the craziest things you'll hear anyone say

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Speaker 1: on MSNBC about Trump. Even he's even he has had

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Speaker 1: to be like, you know what, it's a pretty good

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Speaker 1: day for Trump. Play seven.

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Speaker 10: It's a terrific day for the hostage families. It's a

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Speaker 10: terrific day for President Trump for our national interests. You're right,

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Speaker 10: we don't know how the story ends, but stories are

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Speaker 10: made up of chapters.

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Speaker 4: But we should make no mistake about this.

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Speaker 10: This is a victory for President Trump and for those

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Speaker 10: who wish that we can govern ourselves at home and

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Speaker 10: around the world, not simply by brute force, but by

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Speaker 10: ideas and civilized norms.

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Speaker 4: This is a I give credit to Meet Chim.

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Speaker 3: I want to see who's been Biden's best buddy, who

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Speaker 3: tried to tell Biden, hey, you're transformative president, you can

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Speaker 3: be FDR. A lot of these guys who are historians,

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Speaker 3: I believe, are start are going to start to recognize

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Speaker 3: that they've been on the wrong side of history and

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Speaker 3: that historians are good at analyzing history fifty or one

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Speaker 3: hundred years after it happens in retrospect. Not always great

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Speaker 3: at analyzing history in real time.

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Speaker 4: Remember that.

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Speaker 3: More on, Michael Beschlos said that if Trump on, people

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Speaker 3: would be lined up with firing squads, and you know,

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Speaker 3: there wouldn't be history in the future. I wonder when

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Speaker 3: he's waking up now. Again, if you're a rational person,

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Speaker 3: at some point in time, you have to acknowledge all

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Speaker 3: of the evidence. And I understand there's thirty five percent

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Speaker 3: of America that's so brain dead that they wouldn't you know,

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Speaker 3: if Trump made everybody a billionaire and peace rain throughout

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Speaker 3: the world, they would still find something wrong with it.

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Speaker 3: So there's about thirty five percent of the population that

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Speaker 3: are unpersuadable. They are their brains are broken by Trump

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Speaker 3: derangement syndrome. But I do think there's fifteen or twenty

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Speaker 3: percent of people out there that are still sitting around

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Speaker 3: that are having a hard time reconciling what they've been

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Speaker 3: told for the past decade by the legacy media and

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Speaker 3: what they're now seeing play out on their television screens.

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Speaker 3: And I think John Meacham is one of those people.

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Speaker 1: Second hour of Clay and Buck get's going right now,

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Speaker 1: and our friend Carol Markowitz is in the mix. Oh,

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Speaker 1: Clay had to step away, so it's just gonna be

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Speaker 1: me guys on the host side for the rest of

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Speaker 1: the show. Clay is in Mississippi and he is doing

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Speaker 1: an interview of a sports legend. I had not heard

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Speaker 1: SEC sports world. So that's going on, and I am

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Speaker 1: here with Carol Markowitz in the meantime, and Carol, you

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Speaker 1: know what, First of all, congrats two years this week

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Speaker 1: of the Carol Markwitz program on the Clay and Buck

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Speaker 1: podcast network. So there's a lot of celebration going on

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Speaker 1: all over the place today, a lot of celebration. Some

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Speaker 1: people are saying a day of celebration. You know, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna look into it. Day of celebration everywhere. But let's

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Speaker 1: actually speaking of Trump kind of. Let's just a few

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Speaker 1: moments ago he said this, This has cut thirty guys

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Speaker 1: on his gazap piece plan the signing of it. Play

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Speaker 1: this one.

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Speaker 2: It's to three thousand years to get to this point,

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Speaker 2: can you believe it?

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Speaker 1: And it's going to hold up too.

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Speaker 2: It's going to hold up.

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Speaker 1: Clay. I mean, Carol, Sorry, please God, Carol. Bold talk

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Speaker 1: from mister Trump. But I think a lot of people

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Speaker 1: are saying he's got the hot hand. Don't doubt him.

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Speaker 5: I agree if anybody who's doubting him right now is

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Speaker 5: making a big mistake. I think that he is in

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Speaker 5: a really good position to enforce this piece. I of

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Speaker 5: course worry about what's going to happen in three years

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Speaker 5: when he is out of office. You know, I've been

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Speaker 5: making the Trump twenty twenty eight joke because of this,

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Speaker 5: But it's going to be really tough for anybody to

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Speaker 5: follow in his footsteps and to enforce the piece that

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Speaker 5: he's established. In the Middle East. I think that it

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Speaker 5: is a very hopeful moment. It's a hopeful moment for

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Speaker 5: that whole region. They should take this opportunity that Trump

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Speaker 5: has given them and live peaceful lives.

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Speaker 1: It's a huge moment for the Israeli people today with

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Speaker 1: the return of those twenty hostages who were still held

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Speaker 1: alive in captivity in Gaza. Carol, I do think, though,

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Speaker 1: it should be noted just how vile it is that

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Speaker 1: there were hostages taken in the first place, that so

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Speaker 1: many of the hostages died in captivity. And also, while

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Speaker 1: I know it's joyous for the families to have their

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Speaker 1: loved ones back, the treatment of the hostages was horrific.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was appalling, and the world was largely silent

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Speaker 5: about it. America was really the bright spot in this

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Speaker 5: and they really it showed. It showed because when Britain

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Speaker 5: or in France are now trying to take credits for

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Speaker 5: this piece deal, when they really stood in the way

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Speaker 5: of it at every opportunity, really appalling. But yeah, you're

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Speaker 5: absolutely right. You know, my nine year old at one

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Speaker 5: point during the last two years said to me, why

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Speaker 5: doesn't Israel just take their people and hold them hostage

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Speaker 5: and then they guild, you know that then they'll understand.

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Speaker 5: And it's so hard to convey to him that civilized

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Speaker 5: countries don't do this, that this is not the work

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Speaker 5: of civilized people. They don't steal babies and their mother

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Speaker 5: isn't kill them in captivity. That is just just it's

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Speaker 5: horrendous to even think about. And the fact that Israel

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Speaker 5: is coming out of this strong and united is a

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Speaker 5: real bright point for me.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it seems the Israeli people recognize the well the

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Speaker 1: incredibly momentous nature of what is going on here. And

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Speaker 1: let's talk about that a bit, because when you and

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Speaker 1: I haven't gotten into some of the details that have

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Speaker 1: come out about the negotiations and specifically Trump's role in it.

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Speaker 1: But yes, it was only possible, and even his biggest attractors,

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Speaker 1: some of his biggest attractors, are admitting that without Trump,

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Speaker 1: this deal doesn't happen the way that it did. But

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Speaker 1: some of the regional players, you know, some of the

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Speaker 1: regional countries put real pressure on Hamas here too, which

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Speaker 1: is an indie cater, right it.

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Speaker 5: Is, And hopefully that holds up as well. I hope

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Speaker 5: that these countries don't backtrack on that. I hope they

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Speaker 5: see Hamas as the losers that they are. And the

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Speaker 5: fact that the last two years didn't have to happen.

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Speaker 5: October seventh didn't have to happen, and all the days

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Speaker 5: since then didn't have to happen. So all the people

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Speaker 5: who pretended that they wanted peace for the last two years,

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Speaker 5: now that peace is here, I'd love to hear them celebrating.

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Speaker 5: But you're right, the countries in the Middle East need

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Speaker 5: to enforce this as much as anybody else does they

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Speaker 5: need to say to Hamas that the days of killing

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Speaker 5: innocent people and doing things like this is over. More

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Speaker 5: than anything else, they all need to accept that Israel

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Speaker 5: isn't going anywhere. And I hope that they can do that.

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Speaker 5: I know that that is a stretch for a lot

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Speaker 5: of the countries. You know, it's a stretch for a

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Speaker 5: lot of the people who have been radicalized. But that's

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Speaker 5: the main goal here, is to say Israel's not going anywhere.

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Speaker 5: How do we live in peace side by side?

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Speaker 1: How do you feel about the prospects for Hamas being

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Speaker 1: truly pushed aside in all this? One of our callers

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Speaker 1: in the last hour brought up that there's been some

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Speaker 1: factional fighting inside of Gaza already between the mas terrorists

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Speaker 1: a family that has considerable sway inside of Hamasastan if

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Speaker 1: you will, And there's clearly a score settling and a

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Speaker 1: jockeying for power that's going on there. But is it

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Speaker 1: just going to be on Israel's shoulders? Once again, that

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Speaker 1: if Jimas starts starts breaking the deal, that Yahoo and

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Speaker 1: the IDF are going to have to go in there

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Speaker 1: and finish the right.

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Speaker 5: Well, absolutely, if Hamas starts breaking the deal, there's no

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Speaker 5: question that they're going to have to go back in.

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Speaker 5: But the real question is what if that area breaks

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Speaker 5: out into a civil war? What if they are fighting

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Speaker 5: each other? What is Qatar? What is Egypt?

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Speaker 1: What do they do?

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Speaker 8: Then?

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Speaker 5: What do all the countries that are involved in this

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Speaker 5: peace process do at that point? And it's hard to

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Speaker 5: say because who are the good guys in that situation?

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Speaker 5: Nobody really knows, And I you know, again, I'm hopeful

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Speaker 5: about that about this moment, but there's so many you know,

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Speaker 5: details here that are really large questions hanging over the

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Speaker 5: whole thing. Again, I hope these countries all step up

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Speaker 5: and do the right thing and enforce peace overall, but

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Speaker 5: you know, it gets really murky over there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, of course we speaking of Carol Markowitz, hosts

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Speaker 1: of The Carol Markowitz Show and which is two yr

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Speaker 1: University normally also with Mary Katherine ham on the Claim

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Speaker 1: Buck podcast network. So walk me through some of the

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Speaker 1: what do you see as critical for what comes next

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Speaker 1: here because we haven't the first hour. Just you know,

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Speaker 1: Carol was this is amazing, so happy for the families,

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Speaker 1: you might have heard some of it. You know, Trump

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Speaker 1: giant win for him. You know, forget about Mount Rushmore,

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Speaker 1: it should be Mount trump Moore at this point, right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, people are all very excited about this, but

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Speaker 1: what comes next It's.

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Speaker 5: So hard to say. Because of that internal struggle and

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Speaker 5: because they've been for so long radicalized to believe that

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Speaker 5: they could end Israel at some point. The last two

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Speaker 5: years have shown that region anything, it's that Israel isn't

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Speaker 5: going anywhere. I think that iran Twelve Day War was

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Speaker 5: very instrumental in that. I think guitar is thinking twice

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Speaker 5: about their alliance with Iran at that point, because Iran

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Speaker 5: was supposed to be the lion that they were supposed

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Speaker 5: to be the ones who would should they get involved

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Speaker 5: in a war in the Middle East, that war would

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Speaker 5: end very quickly and Iran would be the victor. Turns

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Speaker 5: out that's not the case. So these countries needed this

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Speaker 5: reality check. It's unfortunate that it came in such a way,

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Speaker 5: with so many people dead, but this is the truth

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Speaker 5: there is that they need to accept Israel and they

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Speaker 5: need to understand that all of the previous things that

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Speaker 5: they've done to harm the relationship of Israel with other countries.

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Speaker 5: It needs to come to an end. They could have peace,

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Speaker 5: That's what Trump is saying to them. You could live peacefully.

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Speaker 5: You can have Gaza be a beach resort, you can

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Speaker 5: be different, you can raise your children differently. That's really

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Speaker 5: what I hope happens here.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's the huge mindset shift that were all hoping

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Speaker 1: occurs here for these Middle Eastern people's Middle Eastern countries.

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Speaker 1: So that aspect of it, I think is very much

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Speaker 1: to be decided. But there's reason to believe. There's reason

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Speaker 1: And on the optimistic side of things, I mean, Carol,

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Speaker 1: just looking at this from a you know, former CIA

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Speaker 1: targeting and that perspective, hes belah weakest that has been

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Speaker 1: in certainly recent memory, hamas weakest it has been, or

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Speaker 1: on weakest that has been. I mean you start to

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Speaker 1: look at the regional evildoers, I mean, the malefactors, the

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Speaker 1: bad players in all of this, and they have been

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and again this couldn't have happened a lot of

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Speaker 5: the things that you mentioned could not have happened without

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Speaker 5: alliance between the United States and Israel. What always happens

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Speaker 5: when Israel gets attacked, and this is true even when

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Speaker 5: those Republican presidents, they are stopped from finishing any of

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Speaker 5: the jobs that they need to finish. In this case,

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump gave Israel so much space to do what

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Speaker 5: they needed to do and to not prematurely end the conflict,

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Speaker 5: which is generally what happens. When I was in Israel

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Speaker 5: last year or two years ago, many people said to me,

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Speaker 5: you know what always ends up happening at the end

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Speaker 5: of these wars is our greatest ally says that's enough.

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Speaker 5: That's how that's how the war ends. It doesn't end

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Speaker 5: because we finished the job. It's because America says no more.

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Speaker 5: This time, Donald Trump said no, They're going to get

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Speaker 5: to do what they need to do to end this.

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Speaker 5: And that's the only way piece is really possible here.

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump has been a miracle for that region. And

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Speaker 5: you hear israeli is today, you know, posting their their

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Speaker 5: thoughts online and they're all so grateful and they understand

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Speaker 5: that it is Donald Trump. It was President Trump who

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Speaker 5: led the way on this and they really really get

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Speaker 1: If you could speak also, Carol, to the perspective of

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Speaker 1: has been like for the last two years to see

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Speaker 1: some of the yes. Debate and discussion is always fine,

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Speaker 1: and these are rady issues of foreign policy and war

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Speaker 1: and peace. But there was something else that gained a

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Speaker 1: never mind the Middle East. And I know it was

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Speaker 1: it was troubling to see it was, but I.

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Speaker 5: Still think it was largely on the left. I know

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Speaker 5: right place in terms of Israel, in terms of Jews

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Speaker 5: these last two years because my non Jewish friends, my Clays,

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Speaker 5: amazing that it's been heartwarming and comforting and secure. Really,

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Speaker 5: And I'm like, well, my friends said many words. And

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Speaker 5: I feel so grateful for you, so grateful for Clay,

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. Well, I still sit here and you and I

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Speaker 1: But that's a whole other conversation. I'm just like, what

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Speaker 1: I mean, just described to me because I know you're

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Speaker 5: Just such joy and gratefulness. His sister, a sister is

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Speaker 5: there and she's sending pictures from the Hostage Square has

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Speaker 5: amazing moment. I have to say that I think a

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Speaker 5: lot of Israelis believed this moment as possible. I'm a

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Speaker 5: going to happen. I really didn't. I thought I thought

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Speaker 5: have to admit that I didn't believe. And I thought

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Speaker 5: I guess they had to have that hope, that hope

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Speaker 5: being realized today. It just smiling faces, National holiday, biggest

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Speaker 11: Columbus Day, Mid East Peace Day, Trump on the World

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Speaker 1: Promising, happy to see it. And that is this weemer

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Speaker 1: And today is certainly a big win for the Trump administration,

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Speaker 1: for Israel and for the broader Middle East. And if

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Speaker 1: the microphone here. All right, let's get let's dive into this.

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Speaker 1: I think this is really interesting, the details of how

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Speaker 1: Trump got this deal to go through. Wall Street Journal

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Speaker 1: had a really excellent write up on this in the

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Speaker 1: last twenty four hours, and let me share some of

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Speaker 1: this with you. When Hamas leader Khalil al Haya first

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Speaker 1: saw President Trump's planned for peace in Gaza, which demanded

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Speaker 1: that his group disarm with few concrete steps to ensure

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Speaker 1: Israel would end the war, his immediate reaction was no.

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Speaker 1: The plan, heavily amended by Israel and presented to Hamas

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Speaker 1: nothing like what Haya had been led to expect. Hyah,

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Speaker 1: who less than a month earlier had been a target

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Speaker 1: of Israel's audacious attack on Hamas in Kutter, told his

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Speaker 1: visitors the group would keep its Israeli hostages until it

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Speaker 1: later Hamas came back to Arab mediators with a yes.

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Speaker 1: The deal hadn't changed the picture on Hamas had. Egypt

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Speaker 1: and Cutter told Haya the deal was his last chance

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Speaker 1: strategic liability, giving Israel a source of legitimacy to keep fighting.

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Speaker 1: End quote. Okay, this is really important because we often

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Speaker 1: think of this as a US Israel idf action. Right,

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Speaker 1: It's like we're negotiating. Trump is negotiating, Israel's doing the fighting,

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Speaker 1: and we have intermediaries over there. But clearly the diplomacy

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Speaker 1: more like a business deal than what I think your

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Speaker 1: different approach to this stuff. I mean diplomats. I've known

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Speaker 1: They don't get stuff done. It's just not a culture

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Speaker 1: with these different countries, et cetera. But generally, the results, overwhelmingly,

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Speaker 1: you know, right, didn't one of them buy Alaska? I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's been some pretty big stuff, So I don't. Yeah,

868
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying Marco is not gonna get there, but

869
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Speaker 1: number one for Marco all time, number one, maybe our lifetime, sure,

870
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Speaker 1: number one all time. We still got a little work

871
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: to do, you know, there's there's still some things that

872
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:03,879
Speaker 1: have to be looked at here. But certainly it has

873
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 1: been the administration's team that got us to this point,

874
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 1: which is an incredible success. And the fact that you

875
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 1: have these other Mideast countries that were willing to tell

876
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: Hamas you got to knock this crap off an end

877
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: this war like enough is enough, is really indicative. I

878
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: think of how much the pressure that Trump's team was

879
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: bringing to bear had borne fruit how much this was

880
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 1: really moving the ball downfield because Cutter as you know,

881
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: these really's launched a strike and Cutter then Trump had

882
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:45,839
Speaker 1: the whole come on, you got to apologize. I mean,

883
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 1: Trump has been the guy in the bar here who

884
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: is holding back two guys who have really bloodied each

885
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: other up. And one of them started it and some

886
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: us one of them is responsible for the fight. But

887
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: he was able to stand in between these combatants and say,

888
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 1: all right, you're gonna knock this off. And hey, you

889
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: if they knock it off, you're willing to uh, you're

890
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: willing to let it go right. You know, we're gonna

891
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: stop this thing. And you needed that, you needed that

892
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:21,240
Speaker 1: to get us to this point. But that Turkey would

893
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 1: for example, Turkey is way too favorable toward Hamas for

894
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of reasons. But that Turkey is gonna say,

895
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 1: if you don't agree to this deal, we're you're on

896
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: your own. Basically, Turkey was telling Hamas, we're cutting you loose.

897
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 1: That's a big for people who have been following the

898
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: region another that's big stuff.

899
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Speaker 9: Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know Hamas has been far too willing uh or Rather,

901
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 1: Turkey has been far too willing to be there in

902
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 1: support of Hamas through through thick and thin. Finally it

903
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 1: got to be too thin, finally got to be too much.

904
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:05,760
Speaker 1: So this campaign that got the final the final really surrender.

905
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: It's Hamas is surrendered. It's a surrender with guarantees, but

906
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: surrender is what this is, and that's what it should be.

907
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:17,720
Speaker 1: The members of Hamas who are still alive should consider

908
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 1: themselves lucky. I know Hamas is a death cult and

909
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 1: they love sending other people to die and to kill

910
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 1: as many innocent Israelis and Jews as possible. I know

911
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:29,399
Speaker 1: that's what Hamas really is at its core, but it's

912
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 1: still for the leadership that somehow doesn't like to die.

913
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: The Hamas leadership, they don't like to be suicide bombers.

914
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: They would have sent other people to be suicide bombers.

915
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: But for Hamas leadership, they should count themselves very lucky,

916
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 1: very fortunate that they still have their lives at the

917
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: end of this, because Israel would have been well within

918
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: its rights. And really, I have argued from the beginning,

919
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 1: Israel had an obligation to wipe Hamas out after what

920
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 1: they did on October seventh, and a moral obligation to

921
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: the Israeli and to the world. To the degree there

922
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 1: isn't international community, just humanity, Israel had an obligation, a

923
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:11,280
Speaker 1: moral and ethical one as well as just a national

924
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 1: security imperative to hunt Hamas down, and they have done so,

925
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 1: and they have been incredibly effective as well as ethical

926
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: in that process. That does not mean perfect. War is

927
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:30,240
Speaker 1: never perfect. There will always be civilian casualties. There's always

928
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: going to be collateral damage to a city. But now

929
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: even it will become more clear than ever. The people

930
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: who were telling you that there was mass starvation in

931
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: Gaza as a result of Israeli policy were lying. The

932
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:48,760
Speaker 1: people who are saying that Israel was engaged in a genocide,

933
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: we're lying. This is going to become even more clear

934
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: in the days ahead. Those voices are just going to

935
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,800
Speaker 1: try to fade, I might add, they're going to fade,

936
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: and you're going to hear a lot less of them.

937
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 1: But what they were saying was a slander, and it

938
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 1: was morally obtuse, it was decrepit, it was disgraceful, and

939
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,839
Speaker 1: that is what they were doing intentionally during a time

940
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 1: of war, to confuse as much as they could America

941
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 1: as an ally of Israel in this process. This was

942
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: always very clear to me and to Clay, and to

943
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: Clay's immense credit, I know he's away for the rest

944
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:35,720
Speaker 1: of the show today. We never coordinated response. We never

945
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: had to say, well, you know, we're going to be

946
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 1: disagreeing or agreeing on this or anything like that. From

947
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 1: the moment October seventh happened forward, we saw this through

948
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: the same moral lens, and I think that's I have

949
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 1: obviously an international relations national security background, but Clay's just

950
00:55:56,760 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: a very high IQ, high wattage guy, and also with

951
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 1: a very clear sense of right and wrong, and so

952
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 1: we never had static on this show. We never had

953
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:11,959
Speaker 1: a sense of, oh, but maybe Israel has gone too far,

954
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,359
Speaker 1: or maybe Israel is engaged in a genocide. That never

955
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 1: and you know this, you who have been listening for

956
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: these two years, that never entered into our consciousness on

957
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 1: the show for one second. And we followed this as

958
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: closely as we could from Afar and Clay went to

959
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 1: get ground truth in Israel, as you know, last December.

960
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: But I'm very proud of that, and as I've been saying,

961
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: I've had a lot of people come up who are

962
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:38,840
Speaker 1: listeners to the show. And I have a tremendous number

963
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 1: of conservative Miami Beach American Jews who listened to this show.

964
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 1: I know because when I'm walking the streets, they come

965
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 1: up to me and the first thing they say is

966
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 1: great show. The second thing they say is thank you

967
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 1: for standing with Israel and not not. You know, abandoning

968
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:56,879
Speaker 1: would be extreme, but even being a bit wishy washy

969
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 1: on it, you know, even getting to a place where

970
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:02,840
Speaker 1: you started, Oh, I'm just asking questions. You know, is

971
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: really the good guy here? Or is the idea of

972
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:09,319
Speaker 1: really justified? Is no none of that nonsense here for

973
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 1: one second. And now that this conflict is over, I

974
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:14,320
Speaker 1: think people will be able to look back on it

975
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 1: with even more factual clarity about who was accurate and

976
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: who was playing propaganda with this stuff. So these are

977
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: all important considerations. These are all things that I want

978
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 1: us to remember as we move forward. And we will

979
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: continue to cover this and look to see what happens

980
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 1: with Hamas and look to see what regional players want

981
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: a more stable and prosperous but at least but this

982
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 1: is the question of the moment. Are there Muslim majority

983
00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 1: Arab countries, including now perhaps a majority of the Palestinian people,

984
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 1: who want their lives to be about whether their kids

985
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 1: are able to pick the careers they want, build the

986
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:05,960
Speaker 1: families they want, and have the futures that they want,

987
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 1: or is it going to be you know, suicide bombers,

988
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 1: a lot of walk bar and all the other nonsense

989
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 1: and atrocities that we have seen for decades. That's that's

990
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 1: really what it comes down to. This is a choice.

991
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 1: The Israeli stand on the other side of this, willing

992
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 1: to say, Okay, we can move forward with that positive,

993
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 1: with that prosperous future, and America and other partners here

994
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 1: are willing to be there in assistance to build a

995
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 1: Gaza where the lights stay on, the waters clean to drink,

996
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 1: the you know, the the businesses can flourish, and we

997
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: can do that. You know, Gaza can be I'm on,

998
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 1: Gaza can be a safe, you know, reasonably happy and

999
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 1: prosperous place. And everywhere has their challenges. But there's an

1000
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 1: old joke about and I say this, I've been to

1001
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 1: Jordan and I think the Jordanians are great people, and

1002
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: they're actually great allies to America too. But people joke

1003
00:59:08,920 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 1: around that it's the hash of my kingdom of boredom

1004
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 1: because not a lot goes on there. Now that's unfair,

1005
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 1: and there's Petro and there's a lot of cool stuff,

1006
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 1: but there's a very low crime rate in I'm on.

1007
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: So it's said really with praise in a sense that

1008
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:25,440
Speaker 1: it's boring. It's a very low crime rate and generally

1009
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 1: a stable place. Gaza could be a stable, reasonable place too.

1010
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 1: It does not have to be some terrorist hellhole, doesn't

1011
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 1: have to be that. And now maybe maybe that can happen,

1012
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 1: and it will be because of the people that have

1013
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 1: seen this with clarity along and also brave DF soldiers

1014
00:59:45,200 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 1: who took the fight to Gaza and did what was necessary.

1015
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 1: And President Trump negotiating this deal, President Trump ordering the

1016
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 1: strike on Iran, President Trump's standing with Israel when they

1017
00:59:56,880 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 1: debilitated diminished hes Bulah. So all of this together puts

1018
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 1: us where we are right now, something to really be

1019
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 1: proud of. Well, we'll take some calls here in just

1020
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