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Speaker 2: We are less than one week away from the twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four NFL Combine and joining us today on the

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Speaker 2: Minnesota Vikings Podcast. It's Voice of the Vikings, Paul Allen.

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Speaker 2: We dive into all things NFL Combine related and more

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Speaker 3: What is going on?

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Speaker 2: Welcome inside the TCO Radio studio. This is the Minnesota

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Speaker 2: It is a full show today, a full room here

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Speaker 2: inside the TCO Radio studio. We got our producer Eric

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Speaker 2: Davidson here, Tatum Everett from Vikings dot com, and of

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Speaker 2: course always toomor right is mister J.

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Speaker 2: Our guest today is a guy a voice that we

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Speaker 2: all know. He's the voice of the Minnesota Vikings, mister

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Speaker 2: Paul Allen, and he is down the line at KFA

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Speaker 2: n PA. Appreciate you joining us.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 4: What's going on everybody right in front of the combine?

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Speaker 4: Exciting time of the year.

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Speaker 2: The Combine, for sure is the start of the excitement

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Speaker 2: for who will the Vikings draft first round, second round,

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Speaker 2: third round, and so on and so forth for this

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Speaker 2: off season. But I'm gonna pose a question to you.

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Speaker 2: It was on Vikings dot com. So Jake Reed has

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Speaker 2: been doing some q and as with us for Vikings

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Speaker 2: ask you, what is the best solution the Vikings can

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's a major overarching question, you know, which

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Speaker 4: But first and foremost is you know, when I say

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Speaker 4: and where did you get him? If it's not going

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Speaker 4: know what? Once you solve that, I think a lot

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Speaker 1: Do you hope or do you expect to get any

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Speaker 4: It's it's you know, both both you guys have have

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Speaker 4: So so there are agendas. It's trying to navigate my

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Speaker 4: Excellent question, because it's evolved, but it's evolved to a

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Speaker 2: Okay, what number of combine is this for you this year?

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Speaker 2: I think it's about twelve something like that.

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Speaker 4: The year camp whenever Cam Newton got drafted, gotcha, So

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Speaker 4: it's twenty. Yeah, twenty eleven was the first one skipped it.

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Speaker 4: that type of a grandiose opinion. Well, those who started

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the first combine for me, I think it was

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Speaker 4: definitely has evolved, which plays into really everything we've talked about,

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Speaker 1: Leaving out the wide Receiver chat from twenty twenty that

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Speaker 4: Well last year when we got there and I'd heard

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Speaker 4: to get him a Continental Diamond endorsement to come on

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Speaker 5: For you, Pa, it's tried to believe that if you

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Speaker 5: So what are your feelings then about guys that choose

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Speaker 4: It's I just don't know enough about what goes into

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Speaker 4: Well, it's gotten thicker this year. There are more that

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Speaker 1: Do you see it? I feel I feel like I

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Speaker 4: Well, when it comes to the cognitive testing, you know,

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Speaker 5: Well that's the thing on My end is it just

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Speaker 1: That just reminds me of the story though that when

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Speaker 4: Point, and I'm still warming up to analytics and the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that is that's the name of the game. Now.

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Speaker 2: this great game to a younger generation of fans or

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Speaker 2: showcasing this great game.

439
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Speaker 3: So a younger generation of fans.

440
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Speaker 5: On that too, though, you know, kind of the old

441
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,440
Speaker 5: saying was I in the sky doesn't lie? And so yeah,

442
00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,680
Speaker 5: I think it's the balance of being able to look

443
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Speaker 5: at the stats side and seeing if that is translating

444
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,560
Speaker 5: to what you're really seeing on film. Yeah, because if

445
00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:57,879
Speaker 5: you know, you can sit there and look at all

446
00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,200
Speaker 5: the stats you want, but if a guy drops to

447
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,280
Speaker 5: pass and he should have caught it, or quarterback just

448
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 5: completely missed on something like, that's not there. You know,

449
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,000
Speaker 5: it's not the receiver's fault. So I think it's the

450
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,800
Speaker 5: combination of both. And I think that's that's how this

451
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,040
Speaker 5: game has evolved over the years. It's just the idea

452
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:14,920
Speaker 5: of yeah, you're adding the stats and analytics, but you're

453
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 5: looking for patterns versus just using one or the other

454
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,119
Speaker 5: tool in order to get a complete picture of what

455
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Speaker 5: you're trying to do.

456
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Speaker 4: Completely agree, But wouldn't that wouldn't that be a vital

457
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:28,679
Speaker 4: part of the cognitive testing. I mean discussing. Okay, you

458
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,119
Speaker 4: know you face here, we're looking at your game against

459
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,639
Speaker 4: Eastern Michigan. And we know this analytically speaking, and we

460
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,920
Speaker 4: know that you knew this analytically speaking. Okay, what led

461
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,880
Speaker 4: you to this? You see whether it's good or bad.

462
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:42,679
Speaker 4: I'd really really like to know that.

463
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I don't know. I think just understanding the

464
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,720
Speaker 2: game as we continue to grow with you know, the

465
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 2: way the game is evolving. I do think we have

466
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 2: to get back to just football being football. It's like, dude,

467
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:56,280
Speaker 2: you line up in front of this guy, you make

468
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,200
Speaker 2: the catch, and you go make a play, like they're

469
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Speaker 2: analytics behind that. But sometimes that's when the factor just

470
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 2: kind of comes in. Was like, dude, this guy can

471
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Speaker 2: just make a play. He's not the biggest, he's not

472
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 2: the fastest, it doesn't fit the analytical model.

473
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Speaker 3: He's just a football player.

474
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Speaker 2: And I think, in my opinion, Josh mattel Is is

475
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,879
Speaker 2: that kind of guy, Like he just doesn't fit any

476
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 2: analytical method of who a person is supposed to be,

477
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 2: but he just makes plays. So I had to be

478
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 2: interested to see how that all shapes up.

479
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

480
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Speaker 4: Well, I mean I can't remember where Chris Jones for

481
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 4: the Chiefs got drafted, you know, but it wasn't in

482
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Speaker 4: the first round. And you know, so therefore, okay, where

483
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 4: there's some problems at school or something like that. And

484
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Speaker 4: I mean, he's one of the greatest defensive players in

485
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 4: the history of the National Football League. And even at this,

486
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,719
Speaker 4: you know, the latter stages of his career. You know,

487
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,400
Speaker 4: in some of these games, man, it's if you don't

488
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 4: double him, then hide the women and children. And but

489
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 4: ten twelve years ago, a lot of people wouldn't have

490
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 4: said that about Chris Jones. Troy Williamson back in the

491
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 4: day long arms. Four to two guy, all right, didn't

492
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Speaker 4: do much at South Carolina, But we're going to correct

493
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,879
Speaker 4: for Moss. So therefore we're going to take Williamson, who

494
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 4: couldn't play a lick, but he won the he won

495
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,360
Speaker 4: the approval of a lot of people at the combine

496
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Speaker 4: because of analytics, even though they weren't doing analytics.

497
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Speaker 1: Then well, I think you could also argue Jordan Aisen

498
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 1: didn't have the body type that everyone wanted to seeing

499
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 1: in a receiver. And uh and and really credit to

500
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:27,199
Speaker 1: the coaching staff for spotting him, for using him correctly

501
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 1: in the offense and using joshman Tells correctly in the defense.

502
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 1: Was there another maybe not a Jordanis or Joshman tells,

503
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Speaker 1: but anyone that the coaching staff had their hands on

504
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Speaker 1: this season that you just think fan should be really

505
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 1: excited about seeing next year.

506
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 4: Well, Ivan Ivan Paced Junior is first and foremost. Okay,

507
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 4: it's why he didn't get drafted. Some of the obvious

508
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 4: things would be that he's not super tall, his arms

509
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,120
Speaker 4: aren't super long. All right, Well, he plays inside linebacker,

510
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,439
Speaker 4: and generally speaking, you can look at the measurables and

511
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,439
Speaker 4: they're always taller than I and their arms are longer,

512
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 4: and they're probably faster. But to what Gabe said, I mean,

513
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,920
Speaker 4: go ahead, if you're a guard and have bad leverage

514
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 4: and mix it up one on one with Ivan, and

515
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 4: you're going to be on your butt. So therefore you

516
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 4: got to be ready for somebody who plays with fire. Now,

517
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 4: now that last year was an absolute win for Ivan

518
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 4: Pace Junior, but to establish a long career, what's next,

519
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 4: what's going to be better? And then after that, in

520
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 4: the third year, that's generally where the superstars, the big

521
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 4: timers just start to own the league. So Ivan Paced

522
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Speaker 4: Junior is one for me. I really like what Brian

523
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 4: Flores did with Cameron Bid them last year and how

524
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:45,919
Speaker 4: he used him in unison with Harrison Smith. There. You know,

525
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 4: there will be some that look at the seven wins

526
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 4: and they're like, Okay, loser. Season. Defense fell apart a

527
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 4: little bit late despite being super stretched, mostly because of

528
00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,880
Speaker 4: injuries on the offense. But but Makai Black, I mean,

529
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 4: Mackay did some really really good things during the course

530
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,439
Speaker 4: of the season, but in a prisoner of the moment society,

531
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 4: people are going to remember a couple of sketchy things

532
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 4: that he did. Oh by the way, as a rookie

533
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 4: seeing it for the first time in his life. So

534
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 4: I think Mackay is going to jump out of his

535
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 4: skin next year, and I think he's going to be

536
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 4: a starting corner who's going to be exactly what Brian

537
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:25,680
Speaker 4: Flores wants and doing.

538
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 5: Kind of your initial scouting going into the combine, is

539
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 5: there a specific group that you're really excited to just

540
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 5: kind of watch and break down?

541
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, the quarterbacks, because really, with all due respect to

542
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 4: my and our favorite team, until I or we exactly

543
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 4: know what the quarterback situation looks like next year, then

544
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 4: I'm learning as much as I can about the three

545
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 4: everybody thinks are going to go up top. Then after

546
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 4: that the Michigan kid, Pennix, bo Nicks all the way

547
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 4: down to this cap from Tennessee and some other people.

548
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 4: And I'm sarting to ask people about and even if

549
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 4: the Vikings reassigned Kirk Cousins, I'm still not negative on

550
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 4: them drafting a quarterback relatively high to kind of settle

551
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 4: that thing for the future. So the quarterback situation, it's

552
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 4: like twenty twenty, you know, I started to hear right

553
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 4: around now this is going to be the deepest wide

554
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 4: receiver draft in the history of the NFL. All right, well,

555
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,360
Speaker 4: this year's wide receiver's draft is going to be quite good,

556
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 4: as Gabe said recently on my radio show on nine

557
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,360
Speaker 4: to Noon, But twenty twenty still wins. Last year's tight

558
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 4: ends draft was the deepest in the history of the

559
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 4: NFL if you look at where players came from in

560
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,120
Speaker 4: the draft, how much they played, and what they did.

561
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 4: Sam Laporta being first and foremost. I mean, he's the

562
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 4: greatest rookie tight end in the history of the NFL. Statistically.

563
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 4: Hearing the same thing about quarterbacks this year, that two,

564
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 4: three or four right at the top have a chance

565
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 4: to have superstar status. Then after that you're there are

566
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 4: a good I think it's between two and six on

567
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 4: whom you can rely for many years as quarterbacks. Well

568
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 4: that's nine. So if those people are right, and they're

569
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 4: generally right when they slide that stuff, or at least close,

570
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,119
Speaker 4: I mean, you kind of got to get your hands

571
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 4: on one of them just to have them as part

572
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 4: of the stable. So that's the quarterback situation for me

573
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 4: is first and foremost because of the importance of the

574
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 4: position and the uncertainty of what's going on here. Really

575
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 4: cool question.

576
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 5: So once you actually touch your feet down in Indianapolis

577
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 5: and kind of, you know, get everything settled with getting there,

578
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 5: what does your combined routine look like.

579
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 4: It's pretty much the same every year is I'll go

580
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 4: to the hotel adjacent to the JW. Marriott, check in,

581
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 4: get my tape recorder, the microphones, kind of like Tatum

582
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 4: on all these road trips when I see her with

583
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 4: her camera just just busting up and down the sidelines,

584
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 4: just looking for something to happen. So I'll head over

585
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 4: to the second or third floor of the JW. Marriott

586
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 4: and I'll just hang out there and wait for people

587
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 4: I recognize set up some taped interviews with like Kevin Stefanski,

588
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 4: coach of the Browns. That definitely is going to happen,

589
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 4: Phil Rauscher, offensive line coach Jacksonville formerly here, and some

590
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 4: other stuff. And then just just craft the best form

591
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 4: of Combine radio that I can provide. Pete Bursage will

592
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 4: be part of the mix this year. That's going to

593
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 4: be at first, so figuring out what Pete strong on,

594
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 4: what Gab and Tatum or strong on what the Minnesota

595
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 4: Vikings media relations staff wants to put forward and and

596
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 4: and work that into the mix and make sure it's

597
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 4: crafted the right way. Go to bed early, get up early,

598
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 4: do it all again, then come home.

599
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 2: You brought up the Combine being somewhat like a spring

600
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 2: break for you, Like what are you like?

601
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 3: What what do you.

602
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 2: Do outside of your normal routine. I got to get

603
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 2: this for work. I got to do this. I got

604
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 2: to make sure my show is planned. Like do you

605
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 2: do you make any time for yourself to just be yes?

606
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 4: I mean it's it's like there's an Indiana Pacers game

607
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 4: on Monday night, so I might go to that game.

608
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 4: Courtney Cronin does some women in the media or I

609
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 4: can't remember the exact name, but it's really really good

610
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 4: what she does. It's on a Tuesday night, and I

611
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 4: think all are invited. So I've known Courton for years,

612
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 4: respect the heck out of her, absolutely love the girl.

613
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 4: So I'll probably go there on Tuesday. That's a little different.

614
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 4: But with things that I have going on here outside

615
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 4: of the radio show, I just, I mean, I just

616
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 4: you know, I have a lot going on here that

617
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 4: requires time to prepare it. So when you get the

618
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 4: opportunity to be in a hotel room and it's quiet

619
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 4: and you don't have distractions, and you get a chance

620
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 4: to write and formulate creative thought without being clumped, those

621
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 4: those moments are fleeting for a lot of us. So

622
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 4: I take advantage of them.

623
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Speaker 2: Being a new dad having no baby for four days,

624
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 2: I am co signing everything you just said.

625
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 4: Well, until you get the FaceTime because she won't go

626
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 4: to sleep, well, then that's going to ruin your next

627
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 4: three hours.

628
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 3: Well you could just play sleep at that point.

629
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 4: And then we're gonna get there for a ten to

630
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 4: one show eastern nine to noon, and we're gonna be

631
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 4: already and everything, and you know, like somebody's gonna be

632
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 4: lay and stuff. Just it's just being able. Audibles in

633
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 4: the National Football League are incredibly important, and you just

634
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 4: have to be able to go with the flow and

635
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 4: roll with the changes when you're doing radio or TV

636
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 4: at the combine, simply because things change so frequently. But

637
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 4: I think a new thing that I'm going to implement

638
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 4: this year is all those unbelievably cool guests like Charles

639
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 4: Davis and Bucky Brooks and stuff like that that I

640
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 4: see you guys have. I kind of find a way

641
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 4: to slide in there with my microphone too and get

642
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 4: those taped interviews on nine to noon.

643
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 2: As you should well. Tatum and I are both looking

644
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 2: forward to being down there with you in the meantime.

645
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 2: Best of luck. Appreciate you joining us today. Yeah, no problem.

646
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 2: God bless you guys, and I'll see you at the combine.

647
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 2: Jay Ed, everybody be cool and thanks for listening. That

648
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 2: was the voice of the Vikings, Paul Allen never a

649
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 2: dull moment when he joins us, and I'm sure it's

650
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 2: going to be an entertaining time in Indianapolis next week

651
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 2: at the NFL Combine. But just looking at just everything

652
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 2: he said and certain things that we really are looking

653
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 2: forward to Tatum. I'll start with you, are there any

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Speaker 2: I guess talking points there, anything on or off the

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Speaker 2: field that you're worst looking forward.

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Speaker 3: To in Indy next week.

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Speaker 1: I'm really interested to hear Kevin and Quacy at the

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Speaker 1: podium again. I feel like that's kind of when you

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Speaker 1: start to really see a little bit into you know, well,

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Speaker 1: you see what they want you to see, right as

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Speaker 1: much as they want to give you, but you get

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Speaker 1: to see a little bit about maybe where their mind's at.

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Speaker 1: It's been a little while since we've heard from them. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: with free agency approaching and the draft and stuff, there's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of reporters there who want to

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Speaker 1: know about our major free agents that are going to

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Speaker 1: be have contracts expiring in March, and so I'm excited

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Speaker 1: to hear them and what type of messaging they have

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Speaker 1: for fans through the you know, through the questions the

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Speaker 1: media has for sure.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's the thing, like you guys are on

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Speaker 5: the ground, like Pa, you know, all of you guys

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Speaker 5: are going to be there being able to kind of

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Speaker 5: feel out what the ViBe's like just in general and

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Speaker 5: as somebody who gets to watch it from Afar and

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Speaker 5: watches it via TV and then you just you see

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Speaker 5: all the social media stuff and there's, like you said,

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Speaker 5: there's always some sort of news and subterfuge type stuff

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Speaker 5: that's coming out and you're trying to figure out like

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Speaker 5: what's legit, what's not. You know, that's at least on

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Speaker 5: my end, it's it's always been looked at as kind

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Speaker 5: of the official, unofficial kickoff to the NFL season, and

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Speaker 5: this is where everyone can kind of get together and

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Speaker 5: you you know, basically from that point on a couple

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Speaker 5: of weeks later, then you've got all your free agency

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Speaker 5: pieces coming and then eventually you're transitioning into full on

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Speaker 5: draft draft at the end of April. So this is

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Speaker 5: the really fun, exciting part where fans really do start

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Speaker 5: to get geeked up when you start to hear about,

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Speaker 5: you know, possible free agent signings and contracts and everything else.

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Speaker 3: So for me, it's fun.

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Speaker 5: It's it's always it's always a fun little launch point

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Speaker 5: to say, here we go twenty twenty four. You hit

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Speaker 5: that right on the head, both of you guys. Did

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Speaker 5: I look at the combine as kind of like golf.

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Speaker 5: It's kind of like you you see what the tea

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Speaker 5: times are and that's when you turn the TV on

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Speaker 5: to see like when to watch so the quarterbacks, you know,

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Speaker 5: wide receivers, like, that's when people will be watching. So

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Speaker 5: I'm interested to see just from an entertainment perspective. We

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Speaker 5: talked about it in the past few weeks with the

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Speaker 5: Super Bowl just passing. I'm interested to see how the

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Speaker 5: NFL takes the combine and takes it to the next

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Speaker 5: level from an entertainment standpoint, because it's not fun to watch,

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Speaker 5: like nothing about nothing about the combine. In my opinion,

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Speaker 5: it's fun just seeing guys just run up and down

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Speaker 5: the field or catch passes or just throw eighty yard

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Speaker 5: passes with no one rushing them. So it's like, you know,

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Speaker 5: this is great, but still like do we have a

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Speaker 5: national anthem?

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Speaker 3: Like it's post Malone, thinking.

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Speaker 1: Wait we really do?

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, I'm throwing out So I'm.

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Speaker 4: Like, wow, this thing has gotten big.

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Speaker 2: Because right, but it's just to the point of just

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Speaker 2: like entertainment wise, like how does the NFL continue to

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Speaker 2: be the biggest on the biggest platform and make it

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Speaker 2: for everyone to watch?

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Speaker 3: That's the thing.

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Speaker 5: Like you go and talk to some of the old

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Speaker 5: scouts and the old scouts look at it and say,

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Speaker 5: I can't understand why people got so excited to watch

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Speaker 5: people run four seconds at the time, you know, like

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Speaker 5: it's one of those feelings on their end. They're like

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Speaker 5: it used to literally be like in a ballroom and stuff,

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Speaker 5: and now it's turned into appointment viewing every single year.

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Speaker 5: Like you know, even with talking to meets Us on

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Speaker 5: the previous show, he's just like he loves the draft

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Speaker 5: so much that you know he'd rather watch it over

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Speaker 5: some regular season games.

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Speaker 4: So it just for a lot of fans.

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Speaker 5: It shows you how much this league means to a

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Speaker 5: lot of people and how excited they get, and as

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Speaker 5: soon as the season's over, they're looking for another thing

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Speaker 5: that's associated with it to pay attention again. So as

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Speaker 5: somebody who you know has seen this stuff and better

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Speaker 5: around it as much as I have, it is interesting

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Speaker 5: just to see the evolution of how much the fans

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Speaker 5: love the combine and you know it is appointment viewing

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Speaker 5: for a lot of people.

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Speaker 3: Nice.

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Speaker 2: Well, the Vikings hold nine picks in the twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: four NFL Draft, so I'm sure the combine will play

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Speaker 2: a big factor in two whether the Vikings stay put,

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Speaker 2: whether they move up or move back. So every moment,

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Speaker 2: every second is of value for this Minnesota Vikings team

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Speaker 2: this offseason as they continue to move forward. The Voyage

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Speaker 2: Episode two has released. It is highlighting the Vikings five

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Speaker 2: game win streak and the adversity of the Vikings faced

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Speaker 2: once Kirk Cousins went down, even when Justin Jefferson went

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Speaker 2: down against the Kansas City chief. So you can check

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Speaker 2: that out right now with some Vikings dot com so

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Speaker 2: on the Viking z you two page and it will

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Speaker 2: air on Saturday night at ten pm on Fox nine.

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Speaker 3: Have either one of you been able to check that out? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I went through and checked it out.

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Speaker 5: And the thing that's so interesting about is it does

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Speaker 5: like you mentioned, it kicks off with the Kansas City

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Speaker 5: game and it ends with the Green Bay game. And

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Speaker 5: just to see kind of you know that piece, and

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Speaker 5: to hear from the other players where and to hear

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Speaker 5: from coach O'Connell some of the messaging that was happening

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Speaker 5: within the team meetings and just how positive they're trying

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Speaker 5: to stay to get back on track, and then even

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Speaker 5: to hear out of Kirk's own mouth kind of his

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Speaker 5: feelings on what happened in Green Bay and kind of

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Speaker 5: the realization as he was processing it. I mean, it's

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Speaker 5: it is inside information that most people are not going

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Speaker 5: to get. And to have something like this and to

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Speaker 5: have the front office sign off on giving this kind

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Speaker 5: of axis.

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Speaker 3: Is really special.

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Speaker 5: So it's a really good episode and I highly recommend

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Speaker 5: watch all of the Voyage and all the episodes because

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Speaker 5: of what they give you for access.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that piece of video has been making into rounds

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Speaker 1: on the interwebs since we've released it.

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Speaker 2: The Vikings, Nate Vaughan, the entire Vikings Entertainment Network does

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Speaker 2: a great job of just telling some of the untold

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Speaker 2: stories that a lot of people outside of the building

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Speaker 2: do not get access to. So make sure you check

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Speaker 2: that out of the Voyage. Episode two out now on

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Speaker 2: Vikings dot Com. Guys, we close today's show. The next

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Speaker 2: show will be in Indianapolis. It will be with most

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Speaker 2: likely Demetrius Washington, who is the VP of football Operations

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Speaker 2: for the Minnesota Vikings, and as we move forward, it'll

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Speaker 2: be a unique opportunity for fans to kind of get

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Speaker 2: an in depth perspective from an inside standpoint of what

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Speaker 2: the draft room or what the process looks like for

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Speaker 2: this Vikings front office. I think it's going to be

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Speaker 2: a lot of fun hear from some of these guys,

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Speaker 2: and we'll also get a chance to hear from Quac

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Speaker 2: and Kevin. Their press conference is Tuesday, I believe that's

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Speaker 2: at twelve thirty Eastern at one pm Eastern, So make

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Speaker 2: sure you're staying tuned to Vikings dot com for those

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Speaker 2: any final thoughts for you guys.

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Speaker 1: Now, I'm excited to bring you a lot of content

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Speaker 1: from the Combine. We're going to be talking to several experts.

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Speaker 1: Obviously PA's show will be live from there with Pete

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Speaker 1: Persich and Gabe, and so it's going to be a

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Speaker 1: lot of a lot of content coming your way. If

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Speaker 1: you felt like it's been a little bit of a

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Speaker 5: I was gonna say, that's the thing that's that's great

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Speaker 5: too about the Combine is the partnership that we have

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Speaker 5: to feed that. And you know, I don't think there's

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Speaker 5: just find your favorite watering hole place to you know,

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Speaker 5: consume and just enjoy it as much as possible. And

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Speaker 5: I look forward to what you guys are creating next week.

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Speaker 2: So much fun ahead lies for this Minnesota Vikings team,

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Speaker 2: and we're so excited to bring you guys that content

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Speaker 2: as it unfolds under our eyes, over beneath our eyes

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