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Speaker 4: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast, brought

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Speaker 1: I am John Schmel. Thank you so much for being

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Speaker 1: with us today.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 4: We continue to talk to some of the coaches that

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Speaker 4: coached up the Giants draft picks. Today we're going to

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Speaker 4: focus on seventh round draft pick Corey Black, and we're

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Speaker 4: very happy to be joined by the head coach of

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Speaker 4: the Oklahoma State Cowboys, who's been there for a very

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Speaker 4: long time, runs a very very good program, Mike Gundhy.

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Speaker 1: Mike, thank you so much for being with us.

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Speaker 4: You know, when I watched Corey on tape, the thing

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Speaker 4: that jumped out to me the most right away was

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Speaker 4: his size, speed, athleticism.

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Speaker 2: He's got reach, vertical jump, he's got explosion. He's really

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Speaker 2: a good fit for the style of play in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And when when I was looking at your defense, uh,

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Speaker 4: before the draft, and then when the Giants drafted him, coach,

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Speaker 4: I noticed you guys do play a lot of press

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Speaker 1: Of times in college.

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Speaker 4: Now you see mostly off college off coverage, but you

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Speaker 1: How did he work in press for you guys?

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Speaker 2: He was good in press. He's got such quick movement

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Speaker 2: and recovery speed, as you know, is so important, particularly

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Speaker 2: well in all levels, but particularly in the NFL because

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Speaker 2: those guys are gonna beat him off the line at

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Speaker 2: some times. But he can really recover and did a

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Speaker 2: good job with press, in my opinion, needs to really

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Speaker 2: work on using his hands up front and press and

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Speaker 2: develop confidence in that area. I'm an offensive guys, or

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Speaker 2: supposed to be anyway, I don't plan to know the

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Speaker 2: technique of defense. But when I watched him, if somebody

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Speaker 2: can get with him and really help with his plan

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Speaker 2: on his contact with his press and his hands and such,

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Speaker 2: he's going to really improve quickly.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I have to imagine for a guy with

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Speaker 4: that size and speed and to your point, his change

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Speaker 4: of direction and his quickness, he has versatility to either

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Speaker 4: play press man and obviously every team now on both

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Speaker 4: levels play a ton of zone to kind of play

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's right, and so his learning nobility is IQ

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Speaker 2: football is really high, which the Giants will like that

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Speaker 2: that we never had an issue with him learning. He

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Speaker 2: played as a freshman and has the ability to absorb

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Speaker 4: That's terrific. Let's talk about his kind of presence in

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Speaker 4: your program. He was there for five years, he was

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Speaker 4: there since twenty twenty. Where did you see the most

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Speaker 4: growth from him over the course of those five years

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Speaker 4: at Oklahoma State.

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Speaker 3: Year two, because.

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Speaker 2: He played as a freshman and then when he came

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Speaker 2: back and developed in the weight room and got a

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Speaker 2: better feel, became kind of a seasoned player and wasn't

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Speaker 2: much a rookie anymore, we saw a lot of development.

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Speaker 2: I was really pleased that the Giants took him because

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Speaker 2: he will play better than he played this year. This

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Speaker 2: was the first losing season we've had here in nineteen years,

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Speaker 2: and our team didn't play well last five games of

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Speaker 2: the year, and sometimes that can be a little bit

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Speaker 3: And you know how it is.

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Speaker 2: When you're playing well and you're winning, everybody plays better

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Speaker 2: than they should, and when you're not playing well, then

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Speaker 3: As good as you should.

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Speaker 2: So I was pleased that he's going to get the

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Speaker 2: ability to learn and absorb information, he's going to get

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Speaker 2: better and better really fast because he's long and he's

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Speaker 2: you know, he's a four to three guy, and you

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Speaker 2: can't coach those things.

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Speaker 1: Puddle up, get in here. If you're lined up here,

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Speaker 1: you got to go over the middle with at the score.

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Speaker 1: No, you can't.

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Speaker 4: You know you mentioned dealing with adversity for not just

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Speaker 4: the team, but for players and for corners.

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Speaker 1: Coaches.

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Speaker 4: You well know you're gonna get beat. It's just the

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Speaker 4: way it goes. You're never gonna not give up any catches.

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Speaker 4: How is he a bouncing back after maybe having a

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Speaker 4: couple of bad plays? Gives up a catcher too. How

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Speaker 4: is he quickly bouncing back and having that short memory

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Speaker 3: He does a really good job.

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Speaker 2: And I talk to the defensive guys a lot, and

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Speaker 2: I tell him I would want no part of being

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Speaker 2: And you got to be able to have a short

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Speaker 2: with that. The staff and you guys will really like

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Speaker 2: him because he's level headed, he listens, he's humble, he's quiet,

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Speaker 4: So he's had a couple of different defensive coordinators since

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Speaker 4: you've been there, Mike, I wonder how different were those

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Speaker 4: systems and how many different ways have you used? And

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Speaker 4: we talked about press. Is he have You used him

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Speaker 2: Because of Jim Knowles being here and then Brian Arnold

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Speaker 2: That's why I said he's so good with absorb. I

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Speaker 2: mean he's played quarters, he's played three, he's played one,

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Speaker 2: he's played press, he's played off man, he's played two.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of things that he's done which will

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Speaker 1: I know you're an offensive guy.

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Speaker 4: You're not in the meetings, but I always like to

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Speaker 4: ask how how some of these guys learn right. Some

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Speaker 4: guys are visual learners. They have to bring it onto

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Speaker 4: the board, learn off by taking notes. What kind of

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Speaker 4: learner was he in the last room over the course

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Speaker 3: You know the good thing is is he learned both ways.

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Speaker 2: In my opinion, I listened to those conversations with our coaches.

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Speaker 2: He can take it from the classroom and then walk throughs. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: in my opinion, the majority of athletes type A alpha

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Speaker 2: they can't pay attention more than about thirty minutes and

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Speaker 2: they can't stay focused. But I think Corey has the

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Speaker 4: All jokes aside, and this day and age, thirty minutes

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Speaker 2: Right, right, Well, we live on phones, right, we live

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Speaker 4: Now, you're absolutely right. You talked about his personality. You

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Speaker 3: He is not a raw roll guy. He's very quiet.

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Speaker 2: He's gonna play hard, he's gonna compete, and he knows

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Speaker 3: But he's not gonna roll rall. That's just not his

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Speaker 2: As I said, he's very quiet, and uh, and I'm

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Speaker 2: hoping the coaches and and obviously the media with the

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Speaker 1: That's great.

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Speaker 4: I want to talk about a couple aspects of his

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Speaker 2: He does just enough to get him down. Uh, they're

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Speaker 2: And they'll they'll press him and tell him, look, when

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Speaker 4: I was looking at some of his playtime percentages for

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Speaker 4: your gunners, right, So what's his experience on special teams?

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Speaker 4: Is that an area that he can kind of step

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Speaker 2: He can play both sides out on the perimeter on

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Speaker 2: no question that he should be involved in that. And

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Speaker 2: he has the ability to come off the edge, off

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Speaker 1: If you want to know how to manage two minutes

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Speaker 1: I know you said.

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Speaker 4: Your team didn't play particularly well towards the end of

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Speaker 2: And they weren't matched up a ton, But if we

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Speaker 4: I did notice you guys mostly had him on the

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: Is that just a philosophy you guys have in terms

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what we had done if we felt like

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Speaker 2: we had to move him for a reason. But for

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Speaker 2: the most part, we were trying to simplify for the

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Speaker 1: Got it. That makes a lot of sense, all right.

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Speaker 4: We talked to that as as a football player her coaching,

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Speaker 2: Well, he graduates on time, never an issue. We never

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Speaker 3: Time at the right time. There's no question to ask.

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Speaker 3: That's just the way it is.

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Speaker 2: And he was never a guy that was on a

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Speaker 1: That's really good to hear.

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Speaker 4: Is there anything else, coach that that that you want

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Speaker 2: Well, I think everybody in the organization is going to

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Speaker 2: we talk a lot in organization about discipline is not punishment.

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Speaker 3: He'll be very.

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Speaker 2: Pleasant for the organization. And I really feel like that

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Speaker 3: Fell all the way to the latter part of the draft.

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Speaker 2: So I'm very excited for the Giants and the people

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Speaker 4: I know that I talked to Joshane the other day.

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Speaker 4: very excited to have him in the building. Coach, thanks

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Speaker 4: so much for the time. Anything else you want to

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Speaker 2: I appreciate the time, and I've got to get back

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Speaker 2: to portal recruiting right now.

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Speaker 3: Imagine that.

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Speaker 2: So all my bands to the Giants, I appreciate the time.

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Speaker 3: Take care.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Coach. Appreciate the time.

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Speaker 4: My friend that's head coach of the Oklahoma State Cowboys,

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Speaker 4: Mike Gundy. We thank him for joining us right here

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Speaker 4: on the Giantshttle podcast, brought to you by Citizens Official

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Speaker 4: Bank of the Giants. Really good stuff. Looking forward to

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Speaker 4: meeting Corey for the first time. Quiet guy from what

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Speaker 4: us on the Giant Huittle Podcast. We'll see you next time.

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Speaker 1: Everybody,