1 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: Welcome into the Lounge presented by DraftKings. We heard from 2 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:11,400 Speaker 1: head coach John Harball and general manager Eric Tacosta today 3 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: at the NFL Scouting Combine and Garrett and I are 4 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 1: going to break it all down for you, give you 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: the condensed version what you need to know from their 6 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: combine press conferences. Garrett is currently in Indianapolis getting ready 7 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: for that Saint Elmo's dinner. 8 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna have to make this quick, all right, 9 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:31,479 Speaker 2: make you quick. We got we got shrimp cocktail to 10 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 2: get to a nice steak. So you know that's the 11 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 2: priority list. 12 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 3: Here, Yeah, exactly. 13 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:39,959 Speaker 1: Well, speaking about the priority list, Justin Mattabike, let's kick 14 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: it off right there, and the Ravens have a week 15 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: to get a new deal done with him, and they 16 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: made it clear that they are trying to get that 17 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: deal done. Eric Tacosta said so himself and also said 18 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: that if it does not happen by next Tuesday, then 19 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: they will probably put the franchise tag on Justin Mattabeke. So, Garret, 20 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: what was kind of your takeaway about with what they 21 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:03,800 Speaker 1: said about Matt Beeks. 22 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think it was a surprise, but I 23 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 2: thought it did bring some clarity to the situation in 24 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 2: that a the priority is the long term deal. Of 25 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 2: course that's the assumption, but they're working actively towards getting 26 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 2: a long term deal done. But the main takeaway for me, 27 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:20,199 Speaker 2: Justin Attabik is going to be in purple and black 28 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 2: next year. The Ravens plan on him playing for this 29 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 2: team next year, one way or another long term deal, 30 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 2: franchise tag. They do not want him playing elsewhere. They 31 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 2: don't want him hitting the open market, knowing that he 32 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 2: certainly could get a big payday on the open market. 33 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 2: They want to keep him in Baltimore. They view him 34 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 2: as a core piece of this team, as this defense. 35 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 2: So I think that, you know, Ravens fans should feel 36 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 2: pretty good about that. I mean, I think that he's 37 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 2: Justin Adabik is one of the best free agents on 38 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 2: the market this year. If he were to hit the market. 39 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 4: And just to remove him from the lists right now, 40 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 4: all this take taking him off the list, cross him out. 41 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 3: You basically have a. 42 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 2: Player that's got an incredibly rare skill set and you 43 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 2: can make him a cornerstone piece of this defense for 44 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 2: the foreseeable future, you know, And I think that that's 45 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 2: the way the Ravens probably view it. 46 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: I think that this was not finalizing, but hearing it 47 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: from the horse's mouth what we've all been talking about 48 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: all along, and really a lot of the conversation was 49 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:19,239 Speaker 1: Justin Matdebike or Patrick Queen, or which are those two 50 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 1: guys are the priority which could get the franchise tag, 51 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 1: And it was pretty clear that guy's Justin Mattabek. 52 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 3: That's no shade on Patrick Queen. 53 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: He wasn't asked about in either press conference and he 54 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: wasn't talked about in now the press conference. I think 55 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 1: the assumption is Patrick Queen probably lands elsewhere gets a 56 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: big payday. Credit to him, kudo zim. He's been awesome 57 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: as a Raven. But that's the direction this is heading. 58 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:42,679 Speaker 1: And certainly to hear it from Eric to Costa and 59 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: John Harball that made it very clear what their intentions 60 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: are with Justin Mattabek. 61 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that the way that you if there's 62 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 2: any sliver of hope of maintaining both Justin Matdebike and 63 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 2: Patrick Queen, the way that would have to happen is 64 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 2: you have to get the long term deal done first. 65 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 2: I guess you could get it done with Queen, but 66 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,079 Speaker 2: basically get the long term deal done with Matt at Bik, 67 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 2: then you could still have the tag there to use 68 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 2: on Patrick Queen, but that's really difficult from a salary 69 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:09,959 Speaker 2: cap a standpoint. 70 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 3: Think sliver is the right word there. 71 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think that, like, you know, the Ravens. 72 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 2: You know, I was talking to John Harbaugh today after 73 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 2: his podium session in Eric's podium session, and he basically 74 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 2: was like, you start with the as a coach that 75 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 2: you want everybody back, also knowing the reality that you 76 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 2: can't have everybody back, and so the Ravens got a 77 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 2: bunch of like you know, in recent compared to recent memory, 78 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 2: this is the most I think talented group of overall 79 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 2: free agents that the Ravens have had in quite some time, 80 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 2: and so it's hard to keep all those guys and 81 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 2: Patrick Queen. You know, maybe being at the top of 82 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 2: that list is if you're removing Matta bk from the conversation. 83 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 2: So look, you and I have both said many times 84 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 2: like I would love to find their find a way 85 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 2: to keep Queen. 86 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 3: I just would love it. 87 00:03:57,480 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 2: I think that him and Rokwa Smith next to each 88 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 2: other are such huge pieces of this defense. I think 89 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 2: it would be awesome if you can find a way 90 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 2: to make it happen, But I just don't know if 91 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 2: the dollars and cents of it will ultimately end up 92 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 2: working out. And you know, I think the recognition that 93 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 2: you're going to use the tag for Matt abk if 94 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 2: there's no long term deal done again, that removes you know, 95 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 2: Queen from the franchise tag equation unless you work out 96 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 2: the long term deal with Matta Bika over the course 97 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 2: of the next week. 98 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: Of course, Eric Decasa did say probably probably would need 99 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 1: to tag, but I don't really envision a scenario or 100 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 1: see what factors would change that from the outside. The 101 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: only factor really is whether they can clear enough salary 102 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: cap space to make it happen. So if they ran 103 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: into a big snafoo with that, and just really when 104 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 1: it came down to push comes to shove, didn't want 105 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: to cut enough guys or couldn't restructure enough contracts to 106 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 1: get that twenty two point one million dollars underneath the cap, 107 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: that would be the only scenario I guess in which 108 00:04:57,680 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 1: it wouldn't happen. 109 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 3: But I again, I think liver is the right word. 110 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: I think it gets if a deal doesn't happen, he 111 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: will get the tech. 112 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 2: Yeah. The other piece, as we you know, continue with 113 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 2: the takeaways here, you know, I go to the offensive line. 114 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 2: I mean, I really put that kind of to me, 115 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 2: Matta biku maybe one and this may be one A. 116 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 2: I mean, I think that, like the offensive line rebuild 117 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 2: is a very real thing, and we've kind of already 118 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 2: seen the initial stages of that, which was that they 119 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 2: didn't re sign Kevin Zeitler before the void year went 120 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:34,479 Speaker 2: into effect, and so there's dead money for him on 121 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 2: the cap for this year, which was kind of the 122 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 2: the soft deadline to getting a deal done with him. 123 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 2: And so now you have your two guards who are 124 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 2: both free agents, and you have questions at the tackle 125 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 2: position and the Ravens. To me, in hearing from Harbord 126 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 2: and DaCosta today, both made it clear that they view 127 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 2: basically a rebuild the offense line. 128 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 3: That was the word that they used. 129 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: And when you when you use the word rebuild, it's like, oh, 130 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 1: it gets your attention, right, Like, I think the question 131 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 1: is how big are we talking? 132 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 3: What is a rebuild? Are we talking. 133 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: About new appliances, new new hardware in the kitchen. Are 134 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 1: we talking about new doors on the cabinets? You know, 135 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 1: you don't take the cabinets down, but you put new 136 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 1: doors on the front. Are we gutting this thing? We 137 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: taking it all out and we're start over? That's the question. 138 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: How do they define what a rebuild is? Because I 139 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: could see it at the end of the day they 140 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: say they let's just say they don't cut either tackle 141 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: or they only cut one tackle. Right, Well, you still 142 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: have two new starting guards. That's a rebuild, right. So 143 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 1: the question is really I think that both guard spots 144 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: are going to be new starters. Is certainly the way 145 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 1: that it looks as of now with Johnsipson En Zeitler 146 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 1: being free agents. I would And then the question is 147 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: is it do you move on from one tackle spot 148 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: or do you move on from both or none? But 149 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: from the word rebuild, I'm expecting that at least one 150 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: offensive tackle spot is going to be and have a 151 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: new starter next year. 152 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 3: That's how it sounds to me. 153 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that that's fair. I also think that 154 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 2: you could you could wait and see, you know, I 155 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 2: think that there could you see who you get in 156 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 2: free agency, you see who you get in the draft. 157 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 2: And then you make that decision. You know, just just 158 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 2: for comparison's sake, you go back to when the Ravens 159 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 2: drafted Ronnie Stanley. They drafted him in twenty sixteen, and 160 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 2: then after they drafted him, they released Gugi mon Row, 161 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 2: who was a left tackle at that time. They didn't 162 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 2: release him prior to drafting Stanley. That happened after the fact. 163 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 2: So you know, I think that you could see how 164 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 2: the draft plays out. Certainly, the salary capt maneuver I 165 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 2: think the salary cap maneuvering is is the kind of 166 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 2: the bigger piece of the equation because there's an immediacy there. 167 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 2: You know, Ronnie Stanley's got a big number. Of course, 168 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 2: you know, he's got a huge contract, and so that 169 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 2: that impacts what you're able to do from a salary 170 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 2: cap standpoint going into free agency. You know, I in 171 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 2: talking with Harball, you know, in the interview that I 172 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 2: did with him after his his podium session, he made 173 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 2: the point that they've gone through this rebuild process a 174 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 2: few times, and they basically started talking about this almost 175 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 2: right after the AFC Championship game and looking to the 176 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 2: future and talking about the rebuild of the offensive line 177 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 2: that this team has gone through multiple times since he's 178 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 2: been the head coach, and he've used this as the 179 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 2: latest one. You know, this is basically the fourth rebuild 180 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 2: of the line that he's that he's seen during his time. 181 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 2: And so yeah, I think there's going to be some 182 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 2: significant changes. I do think they have some in house options. 183 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 2: You know, Daniel for example, could be a starting right tackle. 184 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:34,559 Speaker 2: Ben Cleveland could be a starting guard. Andrew Vorhees, who 185 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 2: the Ravens drafted in the seventh round last year, spent 186 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 2: the year getting healthy. He could be a starting guard. 187 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 3: I spoke to him today, By the way, what did 188 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 3: he have to say. 189 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 1: Wow, it's the anniversary of his combine injury and he's 190 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: feeling healthy and he's excited about the future. So stay 191 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: tuned lounge listeners for the story about Andrew Vorhees. Nice 192 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: Sala another guy on Sala analyst exactly. 193 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 2: So they have some young internal options there. 194 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:04,439 Speaker 1: But I look, but even even with those guys, the 195 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: point here is if they're going to go through a rebuild, 196 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 1: they're gonna have to invest some resources as well. You're 197 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: not just going to go in with these young guys 198 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 1: and say, yep, these are our new starters. Like we're 199 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: talking round one, round two pick on offensive line maybe, 200 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: I mean free agency is tough to say. It would 201 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 1: have to be a cheaper veteran, but maybe somebody down 202 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: the line. Right, Like, you're looking at probably multiple picks 203 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: in the draft. Eric Tacosta said specifically, the depth that 204 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: tackle and guard is really good. So I think you're 205 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: looking at multiple picks and potentially a free agent addition 206 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: as well. 207 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's gonna be a lot of new 208 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 2: faces in that offensive line this year, yep, and probably 209 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:46,319 Speaker 2: a good number of new starters. 210 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 3: Just just just break just breaking it down real quick. 211 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: Morgan moses the Ravens to save five and a half 212 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 1: million dollars as they moved on from him. Now that 213 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 1: savings would be good upfront because you could do that 214 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 1: whenever and now you get that savings if you have 215 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 1: to tag Mattabk, that can happen before free agency, right 216 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: and to kind of clear the cast space that they 217 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,559 Speaker 1: need to clear now to either tag Matta Byk, get 218 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: a deal done with him, and have some play money 219 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 1: to use in free agency. You have to clear space 220 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: now for that kind of stuff. Now, Ronnie Stanley is 221 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,319 Speaker 1: a question after June one. After June one, they can 222 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: release him. You clear fifteen million dollars. Now you also 223 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: have a pretty sizeable eleven million dollars dead cap hit 224 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,719 Speaker 1: if you do that. So it's not ideal, but you do. 225 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: You can clear up fifteen million dollars in space. But 226 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 1: that comes in Jude one. Now that money doesn't go 227 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:39,199 Speaker 1: towards Mattabike. But let's just say Clowney sits out there 228 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: for a long time. Let's say the running back market 229 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:45,559 Speaker 1: is cold. Let's say whatever those later summer editions are, 230 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: and whatever money you want to go into the season 231 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: with in your back pocket, that's what that release would 232 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: clear up money for. And to your point earlier, you 233 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: could do that after you see, do we draft a 234 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: left tackle in the first round that we feel comfortable 235 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: is going to be that plug and play guy or 236 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: do we not? Or do we draft a guy who 237 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: we're going to start at guard and then move to 238 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: tackle next year when we really turn the page completely. 239 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: Those are I think all the questions in play right now. 240 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that there's a lot of factors and 241 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 2: you're you're kind of juggling all of it. There's a 242 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 2: financial piece there's just the roster composition piece. You want 243 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 2: to you want to maintain both your your starters and 244 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 2: your depth. So you don't want to take a position 245 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 2: that you're looking to rebuild and put yourself even in 246 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 2: a greater hole. Why, you know, removing potential starters. 247 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: That's the thing you got to make it better, right, 248 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,439 Speaker 1: It's not when you rebuild. It's not like you're It's 249 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: not like they're saying we're going to reset and we're 250 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:37,559 Speaker 1: not gonna have a good off They are looking at 251 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: this like they looked at the wide receiver room last year. 252 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: We're gonna rebuild it and it better be better because 253 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,839 Speaker 1: we think that's a key part for this offense to 254 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: reach the next level. So it like you're saying, you 255 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,199 Speaker 1: don't want to cut your knees out to save your 256 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:58,079 Speaker 1: face and say we're rebuilding it, but we were getting worse. Right, 257 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:01,199 Speaker 1: It's it's hard and it's expensive on the free agent 258 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: market to replace some of these pieces as well. 259 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 2: Can I just say that was that was probably the 260 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 2: most you know that that was maybe the biggest phrase 261 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 2: screw up that I've ever heard. I mean, I mean, 262 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 2: there's a lot of a lot of possibilities might have 263 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 2: been Number one, give it to me, cut your knees 264 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 2: off to save your face. You want to. I think 265 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 2: the phrase is you cut your nose off to spite 266 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 2: your face, or or cut your knees out. You cut 267 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 2: your knees out from under you. You want to cut 268 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 2: your knees off to spite your face. 269 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 3: I mean, so that would be bad too. That is 270 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 3: also not good. 271 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 2: I just I don't even know what you said after that. 272 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 2: I was just so hung up. 273 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 3: I was like, what do you mean? It's a minchism. 274 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 3: I cannot get the sayings right. That was good, well done, 275 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 3: Thanks appreciate. 276 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 2: Another position, you know, as we keep rolling, like another 277 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 2: position that I think is going to go through some 278 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 2: some pretty big changes. Running back and the Ravens did say, 279 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 2: you know that there's potential for Gus Edwards to come back, 280 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 2: maybe even JK. Dobbins, you know he's out there. Both 281 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 2: Harbor and Da Costa said, you know, maybe there's a 282 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 2: chance those guys do return. Gus Edwards was another guy 283 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,199 Speaker 2: who had void years at his contract. The Ravens didn't 284 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 2: resign him before that void year, you know, deadline, so 285 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 2: they would kind of pay for him. Twice if they 286 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 2: were to resign him. I think they really like Gus Edwards. 287 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 2: He's been a really good player for them. But I 288 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 2: also think that they want to add, you know, they 289 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 2: want to add somebody who is really dynamic to this backfield. 290 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 2: And so you know, there's there's big name running backs 291 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 2: who are going to be on the free agent market 292 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 2: this year, and it would be interesting to see if 293 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 2: the Ravens are in the sweepstakes there. Derek Ken we say, 294 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 2: Sakuon Barkley, Josh Jacobs, It's like, are the Ravens going 295 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 2: to be in the mix on any of those guys. 296 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 2: I think a lot of it depends on the price, 297 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,079 Speaker 2: But based on the depressed running back market in recent years, 298 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 2: you'll wonder if you could get a bargain there. 299 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 3: Right. 300 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: I do think that the Ravens spoke more strongly than 301 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: I would have expected about the possibility of bringing back 302 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 1: Us Edwards. John Harvill said he would love to have 303 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: him back. Eric Scotta said he's already been in contacts 304 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: with Gus about coming back, and they said they hope 305 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: to get deals done with one or whatever. 306 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 3: With those guys. 307 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 1: Right, what I what I kind of read between the 308 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: lines there is. I think this running back market is 309 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: not gonna fly off the board. It's gonna be sitting 310 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: around for a while because nobody's gonna want to sign 311 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: one of these guys and set what the market is. 312 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: That's just how it works at running back. So you 313 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: got some big names out there, but I don't know. 314 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: I don't think that on the first day of free agency, 315 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: we're just gonna see these guys popping off and you 316 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: know whatever, Josh Jacob goes here, maybe Saquon is somebody early, 317 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: but I think Derek Henry might sit out there for 318 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: a little bit. 319 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 3: You know. It's gonna be a cool market. 320 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: And I think that if the Ravens don't end up 321 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: bringing bringing in one of those big, big name free agents, 322 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: and let's say they don't draft of running back early 323 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 1: in the second or third round or whatnot, then yeah, 324 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: I think that they could bring back Gus and or 325 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 1: JK if they're still available, Like there's interest there. They 326 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: respect those guys, they're good players. But I do think 327 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: that the Ravens, the buzz about the Ravens winning to 328 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: kind of upgrade their running back room with one of 329 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: these premier guys. I think that there's legitimacy to that. 330 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: Just like the offensive line. I think they want to 331 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: get better in that room, and I think that's part 332 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: of it. 333 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly, like in some ways it just like it's 334 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 2: fundamental football, like and Eric talked about like I would 335 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 2: go back to when we interviewed Harball and he came 336 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 2: in here in two thousand and eight, like core philosophy 337 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 2: from a football team, Like you want to win in 338 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 2: the trenches, you want to have a strong ground game, Like, Yes, 339 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 2: the Ravens have made some great improvements and I think 340 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 2: they took their passing game to another level this year, 341 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 2: but I do think that like they still want to 342 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 2: have a really effective ground game. And look they did, 343 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 2: they did have a great ground game. But I think 344 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 2: that you want to have a back like you want 345 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 2: to have a home run through at back. Keaton Mitchell 346 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 2: show that ability last year before the injury. Still have 347 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 2: high hopes for him coming back from the injuries, but 348 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 2: he's coming back from a significant knee injury, So like 349 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 2: at what point is he going to be one hundred 350 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 2: percent ready to go? That's a question mark. We've seen 351 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 2: that with these other running backs coming back from major 352 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 2: knee injuries, and so I think that if they can 353 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 2: get it, if they can get you know, a premiere 354 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 2: back in free agency for the right price, I think 355 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 2: they would do it. I also think that they'll be 356 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 2: on the lookout in the draft. I found it interesting 357 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 2: that the Costum made the point is he telling the 358 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 2: truth or is he trying to throw people off the scent? 359 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 2: Basically like, yeah, you know, running back basically is not 360 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:43,479 Speaker 2: that deep. You know, there's some there's some decent guys 361 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 2: as UFAs that we could target it, but you know, 362 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 2: I don't know. I was like, is he just telling 363 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 2: the truth or does he think that, like, maybe we'll 364 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 2: just go to the UDFA route. 365 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, not, I think that there what is deep? 366 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: Does that mean there's not guys of available on Day 367 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: three or does that mean there's not a large clump 368 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: of guys near the top, because by pretty much every 369 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: draft analyst's list right now, there's no running backs in 370 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: top fifty. There's not a first round running back. There 371 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: may not even be a second round running back. So 372 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:19,160 Speaker 1: you know, I think you're looking at third round guys primarily, 373 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 1: maybe late second third round guys. 374 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:23,360 Speaker 3: And so. 375 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:27,880 Speaker 1: I think the Ravens could potentially make a pick out 376 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 1: of that group. But that is not gonna They're not 377 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,440 Speaker 1: gonna just sit out free agency, in my opinion, and say, 378 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 1: you know what, we'll find our running back in the draft. No, 379 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 1: I think that until Keaton Mitchell is back fully healthy, 380 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:42,400 Speaker 1: I think they want to find a short term deal 381 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: with a stud running back who they feel a can 382 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:47,680 Speaker 1: take this ground game to another level. Because the fact 383 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: of the matter is, yes, the Ravens led the league 384 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 1: in rushing, so you know, you know, look, the principals 385 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: are there. 386 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 3: They were able to run. 387 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 1: The ball, but a large part of that is because 388 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: of the guy under center, Lamar Jackson, who still led 389 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 1: the team in rushing yards, Gus Edwards. You know, his 390 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: yards per carry were a career low this past year. 391 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: They did not, I don't think have the confidence in 392 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: the run game, the schemed running back run game. Late 393 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 1: in the season, I don't think they had a ton 394 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 1: of confidence in its consistency, and I think we saw 395 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 1: that some late in the year, including in the AFC Championship. 396 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 1: Too much was put on Lamar's legs, and that goes 397 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: back to the offensive line too, you know, the offensive line. 398 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:31,360 Speaker 1: I think he was under pressure too much had to 399 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 1: pull a rat out of his hat duck pressure. You know, 400 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: some of the biggest and best plays of the year 401 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: where Lamar making incredible throws off platform, one leg, getting hit, 402 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:44,399 Speaker 1: getting under a sack and getting loose and throwing the 403 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 1: ball right, which was cool. 404 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 3: It was fun to watch, but I'd rather not right. 405 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: And so the fact of the matter is they want 406 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: to build an offensive line and a run game with 407 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: the running backs that compliments Lamar Jackson. Better, takes it 408 00:18:57,119 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: off his shoulders as much, lets him really flourish, gives 409 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: him more time to throw, doesn't require him to be 410 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 1: the primary top runner on the team. And what if 411 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,360 Speaker 1: you do that, then Yes, I believe that this offense 412 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,360 Speaker 1: can hit another stride. And it was already pretty darn 413 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: good fourth and points in the league. 414 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, just on the offense. I think that's another that 415 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 2: is another big takeaway. I really do believe that Harball 416 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 2: and the Ravens think that this offense is going to 417 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 2: take major strides this year. Like the fact that he 418 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 2: talked about the offense this year taking baby steps, I thought, 419 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 2: was that said something? And honestly, it is crazy being 420 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 2: here in Indianapolis, Like I go back to a year 421 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 2: ago and all of the conversation around the team. We 422 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 2: were doing this podcast after the Hardball the Costa pressor 423 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 2: was Lamar Jackson, Lamar, Lamar, Lamar, is he going to 424 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 2: be back? Are you getting contract signed? Like that's all 425 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 2: anybody was talking about. That was one of the biggest 426 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 2: stories around the NFL at this time. And so they 427 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 2: obviously got that deal done, but you know, they changed 428 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 2: offensive coordinators. They were kind of learning the offense on 429 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 2: the fly a little bit because that deal, of course, 430 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 2: you know, that got done right around the draft, and 431 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 2: so there was it was a learning curve. And so 432 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 2: now with like the second year of in the system, 433 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:12,919 Speaker 2: I think that like that will help take this this 434 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 2: unit to another level. Like it's crazy to me, but 435 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 2: I guess it makes sense. Like the day after the 436 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 2: AFC Championship lost, Harball had the offensive coaches in meetings 437 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 2: saying like, let's talk about how we're going to evolve 438 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 2: this thing. What do you like, what are you not like? 439 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 2: What's going well? How can we take this offense to 440 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 2: another level? Like while this is fresh, while like the 441 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,120 Speaker 2: pain of yesterday is fresh, we need to talk about 442 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 2: this thing. 443 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: And I'm sure that the first question was what happened yesterday? 444 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:45,919 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure that was probably the first question. 445 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: And then that leads to like some really good productive 446 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,719 Speaker 1: conversations about like, all right, like how do we evolve 447 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:52,120 Speaker 1: this thing? 448 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 3: That's how the NFL works. You got to stay a 449 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 3: step ahead. 450 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,719 Speaker 1: And the Ravens have consistently done that well, Like they 451 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: built this, you know, revolutionary offense under Greg Roman, and 452 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: it worked for a while and it took the league 453 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 1: by storm, and then whatever, it was time to change 454 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 1: and they did that. And and Todd Monkins the first 455 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 1: year of his offense was successful, and now you got 456 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 1: to keep it fresh. 457 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 3: You got to keep it fresh. 458 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:15,640 Speaker 1: It's got to do that on defense too, And so 459 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,880 Speaker 1: I think that they have they're deep into that, they've 460 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: already really now they have the coaching staff together. I 461 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: think they've figured a lot of that stuff out by now. 462 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So I think that the year two under 463 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:32,120 Speaker 2: Todd Monkin, Lamar Jackson already won the MVP in year one, 464 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 2: and I thought this offense made made some big steps, 465 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 2: like you said, fourth in the league in points. But 466 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 2: I think that year two they expect the Ravens expect 467 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 2: it to be even better, better, offense, better offensive line, 468 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,360 Speaker 2: maybe had a home run threat at running back, maintained 469 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 2: the success in the passing game. 470 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. 471 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 1: I don't know that home run threat is really the 472 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,199 Speaker 1: right term. But you've said that now twice. I'm going 473 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 1: to step in on that. I don't know that home 474 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: run threat. Of course you want a home run threat, 475 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 1: but I just think it's more consistency, you know, and instead, 476 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: like you're able to count more on a six seven 477 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,919 Speaker 1: yard run more often than getting stuffed at the line, 478 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. 479 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 2: I think that, But I you know, just using Derek 480 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 2: Henry because a lot of people have asked about him, 481 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 2: I would classify Derek Henry as a home run threat. 482 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 1: Well sure, yeah, I mean I kind of think, I mean, 483 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: I kind of think of Keaton Mitchell. But yeah, Derek 484 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: Henry's taking a lot of ninety yarders in his day. 485 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 2: I mean, Ravens have seen that the guy. The guy 486 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 2: has thirty five touchdowns in the past three years. 487 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's very good. I just would I would phrase 488 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: it as like, we want a top tier running back. 489 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 1: You know, they drafted that in JK. Dobbinson. I think 490 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: he would have been that if it weren't for the 491 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: injuries during his Ravens senior and maybe he still will 492 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: be in his career. Not gonna, you know, I like JK, 493 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: but that's what they envisioned with him and it just 494 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 1: didn't pan out because injuries. 495 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,959 Speaker 2: I don't think it's I don't want to confuse home 496 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 2: run threat is just a speed threat. I don't think 497 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,119 Speaker 2: it's just like a speed threat. I think it's basically 498 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 2: a guy that you can give him the ball, he 499 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 2: can make somebody miss and he can take it seventy 500 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 2: five yards to the house. Sure, that's what that's the 501 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 2: ideal scenario that they want. And one of these running backs. 502 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, just talking about the direction of the offense. Wide 503 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: receiver also was a topic that they spoke about. Did 504 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 1: not roll out the possibility of Odell Beckham Junior returning 505 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 1: Eric's Casa Seti's texted him, still in contact, John Harbal 506 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: set He's keeping his fingers crossed on that one. But again, 507 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:18,879 Speaker 1: I think that's a situation where it's kind of. 508 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 3: It'll play out. 509 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 1: I don't know that obij is going to sign immediately 510 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,959 Speaker 1: when free agency opens, and really reading between the lines. 511 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: John Harball also said Rashat Bateman's going to get the 512 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 1: ball a whole lot more, So those would primarily be 513 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 1: the targets. I think that went to OBJ last year. 514 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: And Eric DeCosta said that the draft is really strong 515 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: at wide receiver again, so I would expect them to 516 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 1: make another pick, certainly at wide receiver, and it wouldn't 517 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: surprise me if it's in the first two days. So 518 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:52,360 Speaker 1: that's and they already resigned Nelson Aglore So I think 519 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 1: that that's more the direction I see them going at 520 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 1: wide receiver is draft and maybe maybe down the line, 521 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 1: if OBJ, you know, hasn't been signed and he's sitting 522 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 1: out there and the Ravens feel like they still have 523 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: a need and you know, the prices is right, then 524 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: maybe that they're not ruling it out. But I think 525 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: that's the direction I see the Ravens going at wide receiver. 526 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree. And I also think that you know, 527 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 2: Odell talked after the season about, you know, whether he 528 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 2: would want to be back, you know, and I think 529 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,199 Speaker 2: that he has. You know that that's kind of a 530 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,439 Speaker 2: two way street there. You know, It's like does the 531 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,120 Speaker 2: money make sense, do the Ravens want to back, does 532 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 2: Odell want to stay in Baltimore. Does he want to 533 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 2: go somewhere else? You know, I think that all of 534 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 2: that is part of the equation, and. 535 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 1: It's all about fit and a lot of times and 536 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,400 Speaker 1: opportunities for these wide receivers. And it's clear that it's 537 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: for shat Bateman's time. He had a healthy season. They're 538 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,199 Speaker 1: gonna rely on him in their off season plans for 539 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,640 Speaker 1: what the offense is and and and how they assemble 540 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:50,199 Speaker 1: this offense. 541 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 3: For shot Bateman is a big part of that. 542 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,959 Speaker 1: They expect him to get a lot of targets next year, 543 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: a lot more than he did this year. So you know, 544 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,400 Speaker 1: now that he's proven he can stay healthy, it's time. 545 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: You know, first round pick, he's got the talent, he 546 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: got to open a lot. There's a lot of separation there, 547 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 1: there's a lot of potential there. They're banking on Rashot 548 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:06,880 Speaker 1: Bateman next year. 549 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, they think that they have a really good one 550 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:13,439 Speaker 2: one to two combo with Zay Flowers and Jerushod Bateman. 551 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,400 Speaker 2: That those two guys, both former first round picks, both 552 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 2: get open, they have great separation, they run good routes, 553 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 2: they've got good speed. That with those two guys, that like, 554 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 2: that's a great starting point, and then you have Agalar. 555 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 2: From a depth standpoint, maybe you add in another rookie 556 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 2: in the draft. I think that like, that's that's the group, 557 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 2: that's the core that they want to move forward with. 558 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 2: And yeah, if they feel like you know, if Odell 559 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 2: sits out there and then he feels like, hey, it 560 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 2: would be great to come back, maybe they work something 561 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 2: out down the line. But I see it the same 562 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 2: way you do. All right, So we're gonna take a 563 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 2: quick break. When we come back, we'll talk through some 564 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 2: of the other big thoughts and takeaways and things we 565 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 2: learn from today's first day at the combine. You're listening 566 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 2: to the Ravens Lounge podcast. 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You need to be at least twenty one 577 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 2: years or older and physically present in Maryland to play. 578 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 2: So we just kind of wrapped up some of the 579 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 2: conversation on the wide receivers. But I think the other 580 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 2: point there with Bateman and also a da fe Oway 581 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 2: is fifth year option. We nobody asked DaCosta about the 582 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 2: fifth year option on either of those guys. So the 583 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 2: big news is that there's no update. 584 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 3: Well, I think the news here is that they spoke. 585 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 1: They spoke verily, very highly of both players as we 586 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,919 Speaker 1: just got done, saying, you know, John Harwell said he 587 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: expects a big things, a big breakout, a big step, 588 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,439 Speaker 1: I think was the word for a shot Bateman, and 589 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: then Eric Dekos was very complimentary of a Dafaeoway, said 590 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: sacks aren't everything. We really grade players on pressures and 591 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: called them one of the hard work, hardest working guys, 592 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 1: plays with relentless effort, you know, plays like a raven. 593 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:21,360 Speaker 1: Very complimentary about a Dafayoway. So it's clear that they 594 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 1: expect big twenty twenty four seasons from both of those players. 595 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 1: But that's also similar to what we heard last offseason 596 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,919 Speaker 1: about Patrick Queen when the Ravens ultimately didn't pick up 597 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: his fifth year option. And we did get the news 598 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: late last week about what those fifth year options would cost. 599 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: It would be fourteen point four million dollars for a 600 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 1: Shot Bateman and thirteen point two million dollars for a Dafailway. 601 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 1: Those are on the twenty twenty five salary caps. This 602 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: is planning for down the road, but those are pretty 603 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: big numbers. The Ravens have to make a decision by 604 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,119 Speaker 1: May second whether they want to have those numbers on 605 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:56,200 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty. 606 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:56,920 Speaker 3: Five salary cap. 607 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: And while I think they expect big things from both 608 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 1: those players in twenty twenty four, we didn't get a commitment. 609 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: They weren't asked about it, but we also didn't get 610 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 1: a commitment on whether that option is going to be 611 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: picked up. 612 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they're just so everyone knows they're going into 613 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 2: their fourth season, so the fifth year option. By May second, 614 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 2: they have to decide whether you pick up that option, 615 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 2: and then that goes into play for the twenty twenty five. 616 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: Whether they're going to be free playing in their contract 617 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: year basically exactly. 618 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,400 Speaker 2: Now, it could go both ways. Like Patrick Queen, he 619 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 2: you know, if they had put the fifth year option 620 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 2: on him, that probably is would have been right around 621 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 2: the average annual salary that he's going to get this year, 622 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 2: just is not the long term deal. Basically, like Patrick 623 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 2: Queen's price went up you know this year based on 624 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 2: how he played on. 625 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 3: Average per year, an average year. That's correct, on an 626 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 3: average per year. 627 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 2: But the thing about the fifth year option is that 628 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 2: that that cap hit similar to the franchise tag, just 629 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 2: like the franchise tag is all on that season, So 630 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,239 Speaker 2: you can't do any cap maneuvering with that fifth year 631 00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 2: option or with a franchise tag. So there's risk both ways. 632 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 2: You know, those guys, you know they've they've had up 633 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 2: and down moments. But you know, I don't know. I honestly, 634 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 2: I don't know which which way they're thinking because they 635 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 2: weren't asked about it. You know, DeCosta wasn't asked about it. 636 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 2: I'm sure during the pre draft press conference, which will 637 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 2: be sometime in the in the relatively near future, that 638 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 2: could certainly be something that comes up for them. 639 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: So yeah, the only the only intel that we got 640 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: was that they really like both those guys and expect 641 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: big twenty twenty four seasons for them exactly. 642 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 2: I mean, they are core pieces on both sides of 643 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 2: the ball. Like the Ravens have really high expectations for them, 644 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 2: and you really need them, Like, you know, if this offense, 645 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,959 Speaker 2: just to stick on Baitman for a second longer, is like, 646 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 2: if this offense is going to be dynamic, well, then 647 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 2: Rashad Bateman really needs to have a big season. I 648 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 2: think he has to and he didn't have to last 649 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 2: year because the Ravens also had Odell, but I think 650 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 2: that like if he if this offense is going to 651 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 2: be dynamic, then they need Bateman to have a big season. 652 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 2: And also similarly with Oway clowning free agent van Ney 653 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 2: free so they're gonna need sack production. And I think 654 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 2: that Away delivered on that to a good to a 655 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 2: good degree this year. But I think to a you know, 656 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 2: for him to reach the potential that he has more there, 657 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 2: there's way more on the tank for him. 658 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: On the tank he had this year kind of what 659 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 1: Justin Mattabike had in his year three. And then Justin Mattabike, 660 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 1: you know, had more than doubled his sack total, almost 661 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: tripled his sack total in. 662 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 3: A massive year four. That's what they hoped for for. 663 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, could I could I see a double digit sack 664 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 2: first season for him? 665 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 3: Yes, We've been talking about that for years. I could. 666 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 2: I don't think that's out of the realm of possibility 667 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 2: at all, base on what I've seen from him. 668 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:43,520 Speaker 3: Absolutely. 669 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 1: Another point, sticking on the defense, Geno Stone Eric's acosta, Uh, 670 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 1: pretty much made clear what we've been talking about that 671 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: you'd love to have Geno back, but he's probably on elsewhere. 672 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 1: That's what I read from that. 673 00:30:59,600 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 3: Gino. 674 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 1: Gino wants to be a starter the Ravens Eric Costa 675 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: said they feel like they feel good about their safety depth. 676 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: You know, of course they have the two starters in 677 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton and Marcus Williams returning, so Gino is not 678 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,959 Speaker 1: going to be at least a week one starter barring 679 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 1: injuries in Baltimore, so there's not really it doesn't drive there. 680 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 1: And you know, I imagine that Gino is going to want 681 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 1: to get paid after leading the AFC and interceptions, and 682 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: probably more than the Ravens are going to be able 683 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: to spend on him. 684 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 3: So that's just what it is. 685 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 1: You know, Eric was very complimentary of him, called him, 686 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,959 Speaker 1: you know, arguably the best seventh round pick in team history, 687 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 1: which is correct. 688 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 3: The other contender Zach Sealer. But Zach, but Zach. 689 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: You know, in terms of Raven's career as a seventh 690 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 1: round pick, Gino would take the cake. 691 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 3: I went back and looked at the list. He's right, 692 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 3: he's the best. 693 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: Sealer was a good pick though, And so really, I 694 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 1: think what you're looking at here is the Ravens are 695 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 1: rooting for Gina because they like Gino. If Gino gets 696 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: a big contract L swear, then great, the Ravens get 697 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: a potential fourth or fifth round comp pick the year 698 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 1: following for what they invested was the seventh round pick 699 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: for Gino. 700 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 3: That's just good business. 701 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: And if Gino doesn't get that big deal or get 702 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,200 Speaker 1: the deal he's looking for elsewhere, then hey, maybe down 703 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 1: the line there's a reunion between he and with he 704 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 1: and Baltimore, but I doubt that happens. I think that 705 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 1: he gets a pretty I think he gets a good 706 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 1: contract that he'll take elsewhere. 707 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 4: Yeah. 708 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 2: The other point on this this offseason, which is, you know, 709 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 2: kind of the big storyline for the Ravens over the 710 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 2: past month is all the coaching changes. Obviously, Mike McDonald 711 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 2: leaves and you know, Dennard Wilson leaves to become a 712 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 2: DC in Tennessee and Anthony Weaver leaves to become a 713 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 2: DC in Miami, and so there's there's concern. You know, 714 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 2: you're losing all these coaches. You know, Mike McDonald, great 715 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 2: defensive coordinator. What are you gonna do? How you gonna 716 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 2: replace him? And Harwell, you know, basically was like, I'm 717 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 2: not sweating these these these losses, like they're good problems 718 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 2: to have. You're excited to see your guys get opportunities. 719 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 2: That speaks to the level of success that the Ravens 720 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 2: are able to deliver. Like that's great. Mike McDonald gets 721 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 2: an opportunity. And he kind of made the point, as 722 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 2: we've talked about on the podcast, like when he hired 723 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 2: Mike McDonald two years ago, it's not like people were 724 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 2: totally just everyone was one hundred percent on board with that, 725 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 2: Like that was a decision at the time that was 726 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 2: a bit controversial considering that you moved on from wake 727 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 2: Martin Dale, who was a popular guy who had a 728 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:23,959 Speaker 2: lot of success, and so you move on from him, 729 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 2: and then you hire Mike McDonald, who was a one 730 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 2: year coordinator at the college level, hadn't called plays in 731 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 2: the NFL. 732 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 3: The youngest defensive coordinator in the league at the time. 733 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 2: Right, And you're like, this is the right decision. We'll see 734 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 2: blah blah blah. Now two years later, it's like, how 735 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 2: you're going to replace this guy? And so so Harville had. 736 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: It's like, basically Hard is like, hey, everybody, chill out. 737 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 1: I've done this before, and I did it pretty darn well. 738 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: It's basically what he's saying. 739 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,480 Speaker 3: And he's right, He's right. He hit it out of 740 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 3: the park with Mike McDonald. 741 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 1: He hit it out of the park with all the 742 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 1: assistant with munkin last offseason and the other assistant coaches 743 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 1: like Chuck Smith and and Dinnard Wilson. Denard Wilson was 744 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 1: here for one year, right, and now he's now he's 745 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. So, like, what's to say the Ravens didn't, 746 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 1: you know, they just announced four new coaches. What's to 747 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,879 Speaker 1: say they didn't hire a coordinator a guy who's gonna 748 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,320 Speaker 1: be a coordinator next offseason? Right? 749 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 3: Or hey, coach. 750 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:18,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, so so yeah. Basically, Harv's like, look, stop, everybody, 751 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 1: stopped freaking out. I'm good at hiring people. He is 752 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:25,319 Speaker 1: a news flash he is, and and uh yeah, so 753 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 1: chill out. It's gonna be cool. It's gonna be okay. 754 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 2: I also thought it was really interesting hearing him talk 755 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 2: about the story with Nick Saban, which was, you know, 756 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 2: he called Saban and they got to talking and basically 757 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 2: just talked about the process of finding new coaches and 758 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 2: you know, hardball, he's in his fifteenth season with the 759 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 2: Ravens and you know, he's in his sixties now, and 760 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 2: basically he's like, yeah, when you're in your thirties, you 761 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 2: know all the thirty year old coaches and you get 762 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 2: a feel for them. Saban obviously just retired, so you know, 763 00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 2: he has he went through that in his career. And 764 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 2: Saban had a restock basically every single year at Alabama 765 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 2: because his coaches kept getting plucked for other college jobs 766 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 2: of the NFL. And you basically just go through this 767 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,319 Speaker 2: cycle and like it's a it's a you have to 768 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 2: stay on top of who the guys are that are 769 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,279 Speaker 2: coming up the ranks. And I just think it's like 770 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:14,960 Speaker 2: I would have loved to be a fly on the 771 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 2: wall in that conversation between Harball and sab and that 772 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:17,839 Speaker 2: would have been really cool. 773 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought that was really interesting, really interesting to 774 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:26,440 Speaker 1: hear Harb's picking the brain of another great and look, 775 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 1: I think that was already. Hiring is already one of 776 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 1: John's greatest strengths, of which there are many, but I 777 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 1: think that one is near the top of the list, 778 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,960 Speaker 1: and it's neat to hear him reach out to somebody 779 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,840 Speaker 1: to get additional insight and just talk through the challenge 780 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,479 Speaker 1: of hiring when you're an older coach. 781 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought that was a great story. So, yeah, 782 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 2: it was. It was fun to hear that. No, we 783 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 2: you know, a little teaser here. This will be coming 784 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,720 Speaker 2: up later this week. We had a chance for John 785 00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:02,279 Speaker 2: Harbaugh and Jim Harbaugh to sit down again and got 786 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,839 Speaker 2: some fun stuff for them and heard them talk about 787 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:09,840 Speaker 2: kind of coaching philosophies and hardball phrases and some fun stuff. So, uh, 788 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 2: that's going to be coming out over the course of 789 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,279 Speaker 2: you know, the next week or so, and just just 790 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 2: great to get the two of them sitting down. It's 791 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,920 Speaker 2: it's fun to have Jim Harball back in the NFL. 792 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 2: You know, Jim actually didn't do a press conference today, 793 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,439 Speaker 2: but I will say the last piece is Joe Ortiz did. 794 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,839 Speaker 2: And so Joe talked on the Chargers side. The part 795 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,960 Speaker 2: with Jim and John was its own thing, but it 796 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 2: was it was, you know, cool to see Joe Ortiz 797 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 2: on the on the GM circuit. You know, this is 798 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 2: a guy who we've had on the lounge many times, 799 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:42,160 Speaker 2: you know, maybe maybe the most, the most visits on 800 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,319 Speaker 2: the lounge. You know, he's up there, he's up there, 801 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,800 Speaker 2: and so uh, he's a very good friend of the lounge. 802 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:49,840 Speaker 2: So it was it was good to see him, you know. 803 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:51,840 Speaker 2: And I asked him on podium just like, what's the 804 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,240 Speaker 2: biggest lesson that you're taking from your time with the Ravens, 805 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,280 Speaker 2: you know, and I think that he talked about basically. 806 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,200 Speaker 2: The thing that stood out to me is the at 807 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 2: that it's a team. Now that's cliche, you can say, 808 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,080 Speaker 2: but I think that a lot of times in the NFL, 809 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,440 Speaker 2: you have you have a rub that exists between the 810 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 2: coaching staff and the personnel side. It's tails old as time, 811 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,319 Speaker 2: and you see that sink teams all the time, and 812 00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,560 Speaker 2: there's power struggles and dynamics that take place. But the 813 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,839 Speaker 2: Ravens have had this consistency, and I think a big 814 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,880 Speaker 2: part of it is because there's there's unity between the 815 00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 2: coaches and the personnel side. And I think that that 816 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,600 Speaker 2: is something that when Joe talked about the team element 817 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,800 Speaker 2: of it, that stood out to me and I just 818 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:32,839 Speaker 2: thought it was it was interesting to hear that as 819 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:33,880 Speaker 2: he goes to a new place. 820 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,399 Speaker 1: I think he was talking about the unity be team, 821 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:37,880 Speaker 1: personnel and digital media. 822 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it was. I think that was the 823 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 3: other the team, the team, the team, right, Yes. 824 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,960 Speaker 2: I know, I know. You know Joe out here the 825 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:47,919 Speaker 2: combine one year had us do an interview with him 826 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,319 Speaker 2: at like five o'clock in the morning. Okay, So we 827 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,239 Speaker 2: did this interview with him at like five am. He 828 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,239 Speaker 2: said that was the only availability that he had, So 829 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,600 Speaker 2: like we woke up at like, you know, four o'clock 830 00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,839 Speaker 2: to do the interview at five. And so I said 831 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:00,759 Speaker 2: to him, you know, just because you're a GM now, 832 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,359 Speaker 2: you better not take it easy on the Chargers side. 833 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:03,560 Speaker 4: You got to make him earn it. You got to 834 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,040 Speaker 4: make him earn it. I'm gonna earn that. C and 835 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:07,320 Speaker 4: Elms stake exactly. 836 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 2: I don't know if he's got to do that or not, 837 00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,160 Speaker 2: but I was happy for him. So yeah, so it'll 838 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,439 Speaker 2: be you know, we're also over the course of this 839 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,399 Speaker 2: this week, you know, for listeners out there, are gonna 840 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:20,239 Speaker 2: be catching up with some media folks, Daniel Jeremiah, other 841 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 2: folks around here. 842 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,000 Speaker 3: So they're gonna have a one on one with Harves. 843 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:24,800 Speaker 3: You have one on one with Harves. We got a 844 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:25,440 Speaker 3: one on one with. 845 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,399 Speaker 2: George Kas Yep, that's coming. 846 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:33,680 Speaker 1: He's kind of stepping into the void left by George's departure. Yeah, 847 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,080 Speaker 1: so those are also things to look forward to this week. 848 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,359 Speaker 2: Awesome, Well, thank you so much for listening, and we'll 849 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:39,439 Speaker 2: be back with you later this week.