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Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Move to six podcast. We are coming directly

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Speaker 1: from Indianapolis Combine. We've seen day one of workouts wrap

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Speaker 1: up and I am joined by my man Land. Their

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Speaker 1: line the one and Only Draft. I guess, I guess

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Speaker 1: I would call you the draft Nick. You do all

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Speaker 1: things related to the draft for us. It's a It's

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Speaker 1: a perfect time to have you on because I wanna

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Speaker 1: get your respectible one day one? What do you think? Uh?

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Speaker 1: You know? I was? I was. It's it's funny because

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Speaker 1: I watched these guys, I write him up. Bucky, you've

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Speaker 1: been through this where you go in with an opinion,

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Speaker 1: and there's there's people who don't invest the time that

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Speaker 1: that that we do and that we have invested in

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Speaker 1: in terms of getting to know who these guys are

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Speaker 1: on tape. And so for them, I think they're just

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Speaker 1: looking with with curiosity at the results, right. But for me,

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Speaker 1: I'm looking Was I right about what I wrote about

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Speaker 1: he didn't have long speed? Was I right about what

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Speaker 1: I wrote that? He did have the ability to separate vertically?

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Speaker 1: These tests? Some of these scores. I went back and

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Speaker 1: this Now that I said, okay, it checks out with

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Speaker 1: did I see sky More might have some trouble separating vertically?

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Speaker 1: That dude just ran a six for one, so I

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Speaker 1: you have to uh. It is a day where you

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Speaker 1: to raise more questions about guys you saw. I have

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Speaker 1: never in my entire life seeing people run that fast

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Speaker 1: that was bananas. What the wide receivers are doing. I

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Speaker 1: It's one thing to to run the three cone really

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Speaker 1: we had a lot of guys who had great straight

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Speaker 1: then in the Rolls War, and I felt like he

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Speaker 1: decided that he was going to let his athleticism and

429
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Speaker 1: mobility shine. Did that make a difference, Like being able

430
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Speaker 1: to see him in those last two games utilize that

431
00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:26,000
Speaker 1: did that kind of I won't say he changed the evaluation,

432
00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:27,920
Speaker 1: but then it kind of complete the evaluation when it

433
00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,080
Speaker 1: came to his athleticism, it's certainly headed to it. That's

434
00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,240
Speaker 1: the second half in that Rose Bowl where he took

435
00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,439
Speaker 1: it over with his legs UM and he realized, you know,

436
00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,159
Speaker 1: first of all, we know he's big, but how fast

437
00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,200
Speaker 1: he is um at that level. So yeah, that really

438
00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:42,800
Speaker 1: helped um. The fact that you can get out in

439
00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,199
Speaker 1: a run and he's an athlete. Um, that was a

440
00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:46,720
Speaker 1: big part of it. And we had seen. You see

441
00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:48,760
Speaker 1: bits and pieces of that, um, but when you see

442
00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:50,400
Speaker 1: it at the very end, at the highest level, playing

443
00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:52,639
Speaker 1: in the Rose Bowl, Uh, that means a lot. Yeah,

444
00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,760
Speaker 1: It's It's funny because then he gets to the National

445
00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:59,960
Speaker 1: Football League, he has like the impromptu start. Um, how

446
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:03,560
Speaker 1: beneficial is it to play a young quarterback immediately when

447
00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,760
Speaker 1: they started their NFL career? You know what, I think

448
00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,240
Speaker 1: it's unique to whatever the situation is, who the particular

449
00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,879
Speaker 1: quarterback is, what type of team you have, who the

450
00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,920
Speaker 1: other quarterback is. UM. I just think it's different for everybody.

451
00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:15,760
Speaker 1: I think some people learn better being on the field,

452
00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,200
Speaker 1: getting those reps. That's the way Peyton Manning was. Some

453
00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,639
Speaker 1: quarterbacks may learn better from just sitting from behind a

454
00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 1: veteran for a year. So I just think it kind

455
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:24,879
Speaker 1: of depends on who that quarterback is, who the coaches.

456
00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 1: I think there's one philosophy on that, you know, and

457
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,080
Speaker 1: then so we we go. He has a great rookie season,

458
00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,920
Speaker 1: and so then he has expectations head into the second year,

459
00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,199
Speaker 1: and but all accounts he exceeded expectations with the new staff.

460
00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,040
Speaker 1: With the new staff, Like, how uncommon is it for

461
00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,840
Speaker 1: a gout to not only make those improvements his second year,

462
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,199
Speaker 1: but to do it while learning a new system and

463
00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:46,960
Speaker 1: kind of just trying to figure it all out with

464
00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:48,840
Speaker 1: new guys and new voices in his ear. Yeah, I

465
00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:50,919
Speaker 1: know he put a lot of work in last offseason

466
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,200
Speaker 1: and then through training camp and then during the season. Um. Obviously,

467
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,080
Speaker 1: new staff, new system, UM, A lot to learn for

468
00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:00,760
Speaker 1: a quarterback. UM. Obviously big expectations for miss rookie year.

469
00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:02,960
Speaker 1: Which the great thing about Justin And I don't think

470
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 1: that stuff bothers him. Um, he just saysn't even killed personality.

471
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:08,480
Speaker 1: He knows what he can do. Um. But it was

472
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,960
Speaker 1: a lot of work. You know, it wasn't easy for him. Um.

473
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Speaker 1: But again when I talk about the makeup of the quarterback,

474
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 1: the intangibles that you have to have, those that helped

475
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 1: him through that. Um. You know, having a big round,

476
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,359
Speaker 1: being accurate and being an athlete doesn't really help you

477
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,440
Speaker 1: learn a new system and try and implement that and

478
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 1: all the timing that goes into that. So um, but

479
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 1: we saw, you know, he got along great with the staff.

480
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,119
Speaker 1: We have a really good quarterback room with Chase Daniel

481
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 1: in Easton Stick. I think that helps too. Those guys

482
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,480
Speaker 1: work really well together. Um, and we just saw it

483
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 1: took off and we shouldn't be surprised, I guess, but

484
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 1: you never know. You really never know, No, you never know.

485
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,720
Speaker 1: You mentioned something that's interesting, and I wonder if it

486
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Speaker 1: changed your evaluation of quarterbacks. You talked about time watching

487
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Speaker 1: paid Man and how paid men and kind of jumped

488
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 1: in and did those things. When you have an opportunity

489
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Speaker 1: as a team builder or an evaluator to see a

490
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Speaker 1: guy like paid Men and do what he's done and

491
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Speaker 1: the success that he said, does it change what you

492
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Speaker 1: look for quarterbacks? At least you know what you should

493
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:00,680
Speaker 1: be looking for. Right when you watch Peyton Manning for

494
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 1: that many years, when you watch Philip Rivers for that

495
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 1: many years, when you see how they work, um, off

496
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,160
Speaker 1: the practice field, what they do in the building, Um, yeah,

497
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 1: it makes a big difference, um, because that's the maybe

498
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 1: the biggest part of the job, is the preparation going

499
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 1: into the week. Um. It's just you know, it's not

500
00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 1: college football, where sometimes the talent just takes over. The

501
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 1: NFL talent level. Every team is almost the same. There's

502
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,159
Speaker 1: not a lot of difference in talent. You got to

503
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,919
Speaker 1: find those edges, find those margins and a lot of

504
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 1: that preparation and film work and game planning. UM, and

505
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,479
Speaker 1: you know to watch you know how Peyton went through that.

506
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 1: Watch Philip Rivers how he went through that. You kind

507
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,200
Speaker 1: of know what what you need to find. So it's

508
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 1: it's funny. UM. I would say both of us are

509
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,200
Speaker 1: old school guys. And we've heard about when you build

510
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 1: a team, you talk about the quarterback first and then

511
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 1: typically it's the pass rusher second. So you guys have

512
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,120
Speaker 1: a guy enjoy Bosa who has been phenomenal. UM. When

513
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Speaker 1: you think about the essential qualities that guys must have

514
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,479
Speaker 1: to be an elite pass rush, what do you look for?

515
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 1: I think number one it's probably relentlessness, um, that you

516
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:00,719
Speaker 1: have to have in this League's how that with Uh

517
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 1: we saw a lot of it with Max Crosby in

518
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 1: the last game. You see it with Joey. Um. You

519
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 1: gotta have a relentless aggressive edge play style. UM. That's

520
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 1: number one. And after that it it is a traits position.

521
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 1: I mean you have to have you know, you don't

522
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 1: say I should say you have to have, but you

523
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 1: would like to have you know, length and get off

524
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 1: quickness off the ball, um edge speed, but then change

525
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 1: the direction because you know, tackles in our league are

526
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,640
Speaker 1: pretty good. You know, you just can't run around tackles

527
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:26,919
Speaker 1: the way Dwight Freeny us to run around n see

528
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 1: tackles all the time. And then Dwight this the NFL

529
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 1: and and it really develops one of the best spin

530
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 1: moves we've ever seen. Um. But uh, but you have

531
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Speaker 1: to have a array of moves and pass rush moves

532
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 1: that kind of come along with that. But that you

533
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 1: know you need some um, some traits for that too,

534
00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:44,159
Speaker 1: the quickness to hand use. Um. But uh, yeah, it's

535
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 1: it's a position. You gotta have rushers, Russian cover in

536
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 1: this league. And I know, I know we have to

537
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,159
Speaker 1: stop the run to get the third down, but you

538
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,879
Speaker 1: gotta Russian cover in this league. It's the it's spread

539
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 1: out obviously, see from college to pro um it's a

540
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,199
Speaker 1: spread out league. Teams throw it, they throw it in

541
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Speaker 1: early downs. Um, you know this little first intent and

542
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 1: you know you put out you know big run stoppers. Well,

543
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 1: look can the city's gonna throw it on first down?

544
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 1: So you know you you have to be able to

545
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,880
Speaker 1: play it both ways. But now it's uh, you gotta

546
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 1: have you gotta have pass rushers in this league, and

547
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 1: you gotta have more than one. Yeah, you have to

548
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 1: have more than one. And so it appears that the

549
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 1: trend has been like you have maybe one outside rushier

550
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 1: in an inside rusher, or their teams that can do

551
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 1: it with two. Is there a preference for you if

552
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,479
Speaker 1: you were building a perfect team, would you rather have

553
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: two guys that can rush it both from the edges,

554
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 1: or one inside and one outside. I guess if you

555
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 1: could only choose between the two, I would like one

556
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 1: inside one outside. Um. You'd like to get some push

557
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 1: up the middle. So if the edge comes up the field,

558
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 1: the quarterback can't step up. Um. I know you talked

559
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 1: a lot of quarterbacks. They it's the pressure up front

560
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: that gets them more than the edge. I mean the

561
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: edge you can step up. Um. Now, if the rushier

562
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 1: rushes the way the right way, Um, he's not running

563
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 1: by the quarterback all the time, But a lot of

564
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 1: edge rushers have. They come up the field, quarterback steps up,

565
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 1: the balls out and the ball is gone. So if

566
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 1: you get some either interior pressure just with power or

567
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 1: win by quickness so the quarterback can't step up, will

568
00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 1: you know lead to a sack to somebody else more

569
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,880
Speaker 1: than likely. Okay, so you mentioned there you talked about

570
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 1: looking about Russian pastor and in covering. Um, you guys

571
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 1: have a guy who's not even what I would say

572
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 1: a cover guy, but he's a Swiss Army knife and

573
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 1: Derwin James. Um. The uniqueness of finding safeties that can

574
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 1: do so much in the box outside of the box,

575
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: in the middle of the field. How important is it

576
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,120
Speaker 1: to have at least one of those guys on your defense. Well,

577
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: Durwan's just he's unique. I don't even know what position

578
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 1: he really plays, because you can probably go anywhere you

579
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 1: want on defense. UM. It's funny. Through my career, I

580
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: guess early on, you know, safety wasn't as much as

581
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: a priority position to me. I was always thinking corner, corner, corner. Um.

582
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 1: But now the way the game's played and the fact

583
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 1: that it is spread out, UM, you're in more nickel defenses.

584
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 1: And to have safeties that can cover and play their run.

585
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 1: They're hard to find, but they really need to do both.

586
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 1: There's a lot of responsibilities from the middle of the

587
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: field for that safety. UM. So in Derwin's case, you know,

588
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,239
Speaker 1: we can move them down like a linebacker. We can

589
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,200
Speaker 1: play him in the middle fields as middle field safety. UM,

590
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 1: we could put him on a corner and he can

591
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 1: cover pretty well out there, which is you know, hard

592
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 1: to imagine for a guy his size. We could rush

593
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: him off the edge. So yeah, I mean, but that's

594
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:10,880
Speaker 1: Derwin James. Aren't a lot of Derwin James out there,

595
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: but it's nice to have. But that safety position you have,

596
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,479
Speaker 1: especially the defense we're playing, you have with a lot

597
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:19,919
Speaker 1: of responsibilities that involves coverage and run support, UM, and

598
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: they're hard to find. So if they're hard to find,

599
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 1: that means their value is gonna be a little bit higher. Look,

600
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 1: so you guys have really been crushing it in the draft.

601
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: And so my final part of of this is I

602
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: want to talk about Rashon Slater and edge protectors, the

603
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 1: importance of offensive tackles in this game. And is it

604
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 1: just about the left tackle or now we had a

605
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: point in the league, we need to have a strong

606
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: left and right tackle and are their differences in what

607
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: we look for in each position. I'm past left and

608
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 1: right tackle at this point. To me, they're just tackles.

609
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 1: They both have to pass protect, they both have the

610
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: block the run game. Um, there's no rule that the

611
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 1: defense can only put their rusher on the offenses left side.

612
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 1: You know, they can line up anywhere they want. They

613
00:27:58,440 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: can line up in the in the A gap, they

614
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: could line up on the right. So you know, you

615
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: need two tackles that can pass protect on both sides.

616
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 1: I think, at least to me, the days of having

617
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 1: the big, strong, tough limited athlete at right tackle, I

618
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: think is gone. You gotta be able to pass protect

619
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,199
Speaker 1: on that side. So um, yeah, So I know for us,

620
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: you know, we may start off the process kind of

621
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,880
Speaker 1: labeling guys left and right, but the end they're really

622
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: just ot s. They're just tackles. They gotta be. They're

623
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: both the same guy essentially. So look, it's it's great.

624
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: It's great to have you on again. It's great to

625
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: watch your team continue to progress. Best of luck to

626
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: you next seas. I look forward to visit back with

627
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: you as we are closer to next year anytime. Thanks, Bucky.

628
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 1: Lands is one thing when you are tom to let's go,

629
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: and you've had a lot of success identifying top talent,

630
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: you know, like you kind of have a recipe. The

631
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: top two guys in our class right now we'll put

632
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: Matt Correll, We'll take him out because he didn't participate.

633
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: Is Kenny picking and Malique willis real quick? What what

634
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: do you think about Kenny pick is working out? What

635
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: do you think about him in general? You know, I

636
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: like Kenny. I think the thing that concerns me a

637
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: little bit is I think he's got an internal clock

638
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: that and you're not gonna see this in a workout,

639
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: but I think he's got an internal clock that gets

640
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: a little skittish um. That's from years of getting sacked,

641
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: taking hits, having a line that didn't protect him. So

642
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: when you watch him on tape. The one concern I

643
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: have and the reason I have a hard time getting

644
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: past this is because guys who get a little nervous

645
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: in the pocket and start to sense and start to

646
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 1: see ghosts, that's hard to get rid of. Man. That

647
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: is a really hard um. It's a really hard element

648
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: of the game to get rid of once it once

649
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: you bring it into uh you know how you operate.

650
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: But I like Kenny Pickett. I think he throws with

651
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 1: with a pretty good arm. I think he throws on

652
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: time it comes out, throws into windows and makes anticipatory

653
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: throws um, he's he's definitely mobile enough to get out

654
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: of the pocket and extend. And I thought he had

655
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: a pretty good workout. I really did the small hands thing.

656
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: You and I talked about it yesterday. It is a

657
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 1: thing like it is a thing. You can't just keep saying,

658
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 1: what Joe Burrow, What this is Joe Burrow, So stop

659
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: telling me about Joe Burrow. This guy fumbled a lot

660
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: in college, so we do have to take a look

661
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: at that. So in general, though, Bucky, I think when

662
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: you look at how he made the significant jump, as

663
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: we talked about before, I mean, he put himself on

664
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Speaker 1: the map. And that's what you can do, uh, your

665
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 1: last year of school. You know, you can put yourself

666
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: on the map very very quickly. And that's what Kenny

667
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: Pickett did. I thought watching him over the summer, I thought,

668
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: this guy looks like about a fourth you know, he's

669
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 1: got some traits that you might be able to work with.

670
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: He's coming off thirteen touchdowns, nine interceptions. Now we're talking

671
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: about him as a first and he is going to

672
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: go in the first round. Now, yeah, he is going

673
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: to go in the first round. We had a chance

674
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: to catch up with him after his workout. Let's listen

675
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 1: to what he had to say. Man, we're so excited

676
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: to have on the movie sixth podcasts one of the

677
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: best quarterbacks in college football, Kenny Pickett from pitt So

678
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: to call it Peter Pittsburgh. What's it called? Okay? All right?

679
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,040
Speaker 1: Colors that go back to the original, the damn Marino days.

680
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: So let's just talk about it. There's so many people

681
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: excited about what you were able to show your final

682
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,800
Speaker 1: season at pitt How are you able to kind of

683
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: put it together that finals season and really make a

684
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: tremendous and improvement not only in production but an overall performance. Yeah.

685
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: I think it's a culmination of all the previous years, honestly,

686
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: and with my teammates and my coaches and and it

687
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: all came together. Only that final year. The game slowed

688
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: down for me, put a lot of time and put

689
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: a lot of work. Um, you know, teammates were dedicated

690
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: to being a throwing sessions and film sessions, and um

691
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: you know, I think all that hard work really paid

692
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: off versus last season. All Right. So now I'm a

693
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: believer that experience can bring about expertise, And in watching you,

694
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: I felt like you played the game this year, like

695
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: you were an expert for that offense. How did that

696
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,479
Speaker 1: extra year really help you get ready to play at

697
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: the next level. Yeah, it was huge, especially being in

698
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: Coach Whipple's you know, West Coast Pro style offense. Um,

699
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,719
Speaker 1: coming into these meetings and these interviews here, and you know,

700
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: coaches teach me to play, and I have a lot

701
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: of familiarity with what they're trying to teach me. So

702
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: it's it's been a smooth kind of transition with the

703
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: Jets offense now and coming at the Senior Bowl, coming

704
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: here and learning some new offenses and putting up on

705
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: the board and um, you know, being able to spit

706
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: back when they just taught me. You know, I feel like,

707
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: you know, I'm very grateful for the experience I have

708
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: with Coach Wibble so quickly I want to go back

709
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: to the Senior Bowl because I do think that's important.

710
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: Cause you talked about playing in the Jets offense and

711
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: playing in this pro style offense. How easy was it

712
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: for you to digest that offense? Yeah, I mean, nothing's easy,

713
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 1: i'd say at this level. You know that, But it's

714
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 1: it's just dedicating myself to the playbook and having that

715
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: experience of calling plays in the huddle will be able

716
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: to get guys lined up and operate. Um, that was

717
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: something that took a lot of pride in at school

718
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: obviously a pit and then coming into the Jets offense.

719
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: I really wanted to show that that week. So this week,

720
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: a lot of what quarterbacks have to do is they

721
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 1: have to talk to people in interviews. Sometimes those interviews

722
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 1: may involve some XS and os. What was it like

723
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: for you? What was your experience like in the interview room? Yeah,

724
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:43,959
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of film, a lot of film work, Um,

725
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: you know, detailing my offense out. You know, some teams

726
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: would like to teach a play, they put the film

727
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: up and then they would say, all right, go up

728
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: and show me the play that I just taught, you know,

729
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: twenty minutes ago at the beginning of the interview. So, Um,

730
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: a lot of cool different experiences and I really enjoyed,

731
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: you know, this whole process. So and thinking about the process.

732
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: So you have pro day coming up of private workouts

733
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: also on the rise, and you probably have some visits

734
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: and those things. So in the next step in the process,

735
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: what do you want to work on? What do you

736
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: want to continue to show scouts. Yep, I mean it's

737
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: just throwing at prote now. You know, I feel like

738
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: I tested pretty well today. Um, so I checked that

739
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: box and I want to go throw it really well

740
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: at the protest. I want to watch this films who

741
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: I need to work on and then you know, get

742
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: right back to the drawing board. Okay, So look, we

743
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: were scouts, So scouts love to can have comparison. So

744
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: when you look at the NFL game, who are the

745
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that you may either admire or patting your game after? Yeah,

746
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: I'd say, uh, I mean I think Joe Burrow. I

747
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: mean I watched a lot of his stuff at l

748
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: s U. Um. You know, he had that big season.

749
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: That was something I wanted to do and I came

750
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: back and did that, and um, you know I love

751
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 1: watching his tape. Um. You know, Russell Wilson is another guy.

752
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: I feel like I show a little bit of the

753
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: same stuff. So I think a couple of guys. Um,

754
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 1: I just want to be able to do a lot

755
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: of different things. Okay, last thing, so, then when you

756
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: go into the National Football League, you are the guy

757
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: who created the fake slide and you also made them

758
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: banded inflate big slide. Are we're gonna break that out

759
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: of the NFL level? Are we gonna kind of fed

760
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: that out to see if we can get there going?

761
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I don't. I think the first

762
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: player had at the Senior Bowl. The other team was

763
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: telling you not to try. So I think it's it's

764
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,919
Speaker 1: the one and done for the bakes line. Well, look, man,

765
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: we know even if you have to put that oh

766
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: wait and put it in your bag, we know that

767
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: you can bring plenty of other stuff. We're excited to

768
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: continue watch you progress and become a great player at

769
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: the next level. Best of luck to you going from

770
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 1: absolutely thank you man, appreciate it. So it's like you

771
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,320
Speaker 1: pointed out, man, I think the guy kind of gets

772
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:31,919
Speaker 1: it in terms of understanding the leadership and the uh

773
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: intangible qualities that you must have to be a leader

774
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: of a franchise and so to be uh It'll be

775
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: fun to kind of see him going to the next level,

776
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: see what kind of success he can have. I think

777
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 1: the other kid, Malik Willis, I think he is the

778
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,959
Speaker 1: one that is really caught fire since the Senior Bowl.

779
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: When you think about how people just talked about that

780
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: performance on Wednesday at the Senior Bowl, inclement conditions and

781
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: how he's just ripping lasers, uh, through the rain, through

782
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: the wind. I think it opened a lot of people's

783
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: eyes up. And when you look at the guys who

784
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: have had success of late, man has been the big tools.

785
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 1: Guys like Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson has had success because

786
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: his athleticism is off the charge, pet Mahomes being a

787
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: freakish thrower and playmaker, and so from elite Man, I

788
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: think we now can see a path to him being

789
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 1: a starting quarterback in the league and potentially have a success. Yeah,

790
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: no question. Um, it's tough because you know, when you

791
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: really get down on the tape, it's it's it's not great,

792
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: and especially over the second half of the season, and

793
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: I just thought, man, he's just gonna he's just that

794
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: that that draft stock. He's gonna go into the fall,

795
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 1: into the second round. And then you know, a funny

796
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: thing happens. You go the Senior Bowl, you make a

797
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 1: couple of throws, you look a certain way like he's

798
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 1: a very physically and he's well put together. Really too.

799
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: It reminds me physically of the way Jalen looks like

800
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: Jalen is a well put together dude. He spends a

801
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: lot of time in the weight room. Jalen hurts, but

802
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: then you see him throw the football and some of

803
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: the arm talent throws he has, and you say, oh, okay,

804
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: not a lot of people can do this. And then

805
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: you watch him get outside of the pocket, and you

806
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: make plays on the moves and make plays on the

807
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: move at the senior Bown. What you do is you

808
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: start to see flashes of I see that in the

809
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: NFL with other guys, or I've seen that in the

810
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 1: NFL from this guy or from that guy, and you

811
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,399
Speaker 1: start to as you mentioned, that's a really good way

812
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: to say it, you start to see a pathway for

813
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: this guy moving forward. And a big mistake that I

814
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: made was with Justin Herbert. I remember watching him on

815
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: tape and I liked him better than two and I said, man,

816
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: I think you know, I might put a six seven

817
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: on him, But then I couldn't get around some of

818
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 1: the inconsistencies he had. Right, he was a little bit inconsistent,

819
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: but the flashes. I didn't put enough stock into the flashes.

820
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: So you there's some guys you have to grade the Flashes.

821
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 1: Josh Allen, Justin Herbert are great examples of it. Guys

822
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: who got better wide receivers on the next level and

823
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 1: had better windows to throw into, and the physical talent

824
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: that they had the special tool tools really took over.

825
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: I don't think that you could argue that that Malik

826
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: Willis has some of the same potential tools and opportunities.

827
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: Once he gets too I think a different offense would

828
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: benefit him a little bit more. And then you know,

829
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: once you get better wide receivers and a better offensive line.

830
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 1: Because he was under duress a lot this year, all

831
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you start to say, wait a minute,

832
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: I've seen this with Josh Allen before. I've seen this

833
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: with Justin Herbert before. I better start great in the Flashes,

834
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: and Malik Willis looks like a grade the Flashes guy. Honestly,

835
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: if you if you grade the Flashes, you might not

836
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: miss on the upside. If you just great to tape,

837
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: you are going to miss on the upside. That's just

838
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: the truth. So I gotta you has to catch up

839
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 1: with MALIEK Willis. Let's here, let's listen to what he

840
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: had to say. Excited to have one of the hottest

841
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: prospects in the twenty two draft class, quarterback from Liberty

842
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 1: Malik Willis. Welcome to the Movie six program. How you doing.

843
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: I'm good man, I can't complain. I'm happy to be here. Hey.

844
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,280
Speaker 1: So look, man, it's been a bit of a world

845
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: wind since the end of the season. You had an

846
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 1: outstanding performance at the Senior Bowl. Then you go to

847
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: the Combine. Just talk about the process that you've gone

848
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: through since the end of the season. Uh, it's really

849
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 1: been a grind. I mean, you take off a couple

850
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: of you know, you know, a couple of weeks just

851
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: to let your body recover. You get ready for the

852
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. You lock in on that. You get the

853
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: place before the Senior Bowl, so you you try to,

854
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 1: you know, grind as hard as you can on those

855
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 1: you go execute. You know, you gotta do it. Uh.

856
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: You get past the Senior Boat and you're back to training.

857
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 1: You go back to training. Now it's time for combine

858
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: and the next few weeks. Uh, then you're done with

859
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: combine and you're training for Pro Day. It's a it's

860
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: a continuous thing. It's a little cycle. It has been

861
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: a cycle. You know. What's what's interesting it seems like

862
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: there's been more buzz around your name since the Senior Bowl.

863
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: A lot of people really impressed with the tools and

864
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: the skill set. So coming into the combine, what were

865
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: some of the things that you wanted to show scouts.

866
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: I really was just coming to, you know, see these

867
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:57,919
Speaker 1: other guys through. I've never seen them throw. I can't

868
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: get the throw against them. I mean we are throwing

869
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: a different you know, receivers than we throw too, so

870
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: it's you know, a little growing pains. But I just

871
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: want to see them throw in person. I don't like compete, man,

872
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 1: it's who being around them too. I mean, you get

873
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 1: to know guys doing the same thing you're trying to do.

874
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: So I had an opportunity to talk to a couple

875
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 1: of coaches and they were very impressed with the way

876
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 1: that you carried yourself in the interview process. How did

877
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: you have that process? How did you prepare for it,

878
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,399
Speaker 1: and how do you feel that. I mean I felt

879
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: like I was well prepared. I mean, watch a lot

880
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 1: of film, digested a lot of information on myself first

881
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: and uh my offense as well, and just trying to

882
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: be able to pick up stuff like when I had

883
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: to go to the Singer Bowl. Uh, learning how to

884
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,720
Speaker 1: you know, execute those plays gave me a little insight

885
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: on how they operate at the next level, even though

886
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 1: it's just a you know portion. Uh. It was very

887
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 1: cool though, you know, just to have that little, you know,

888
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,919
Speaker 1: that little moment of NFL quarterback before you get there,

889
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,399
Speaker 1: even though it's not, you know, but it definitely was cool.

890
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: I just focused on my plays and understanding what I was,

891
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: you know, being asked to do every play, uh, and

892
00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: making sure I was seeing the film again and know

893
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: what I was thinking at that point so I can

894
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 1: go in there and do it funnily, you know. So

895
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: in the last few years, they're in a lot of

896
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,240
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that have kind of pop that are outstanding tools,

897
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: guys like Josh Shallon, Lamar Jackson, even Patrick Mahomes. When

898
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: you look at the NFL game, you look at some

899
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: of the quarterbacks, Who the guys that you remark Who

900
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: the guys that you want to pat in your game

901
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: after I mean, all three of those are good guys.

902
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 1: But I just want to be around for a long

903
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 1: time and take a little bit from each and everybody.

904
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: I just want to be the best version of myself.

905
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: I can. I know, I haven't reached that yet, but

906
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: we got time, you know what I mean, Yeah, we

907
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: we do it after time. And so you got a

908
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: little yet, a little time before your pro dacty. What

909
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: are some of the things that you're working on. I

910
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 1: think your quarterback coaches Quincy Avery were some of the

911
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: things you and you were working on to get better

912
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: as a player. Uh. Coach Quincy and coach Sean, they

913
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: just you know, basically not letting me do anything that

914
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:50,439
Speaker 1: I like to do. You know, we're doing everything that

915
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: I need to do. We're not doing anything that I

916
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: like to do. So we just we're going to execute

917
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 1: the you know based stuff. Make sure my foot works

918
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: on basic It gets boring, so you think, but when

919
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 1: you just want to get better, I mean, it's just

920
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: the process. It's the process. You gotta love it. Okay.

921
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 1: So as a former Scott, I have to tell you, um,

922
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: a lot of what we do when it comes to

923
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 1: evaluating quarterbacks has little to do with what they do

924
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 1: on the field, a lot to do it off the field.

925
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 1: And so there's a video that's going out that may

926
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: have gone wri about you meeting a guy on the

927
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: street the homeless guy and kind of digging into your

928
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: bag and giving away some of your stuff. Uh, talk

929
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: about that, talk about like your generosity and your empathy

930
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: for people and how that can help you be a

931
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 1: better leader. In the locker room, that was a lady,

932
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 1: y'all chill. She was a pregnant lady. She had on

933
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 1: the sign. So I felt bad. I walked into the

934
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: Nike suite. I didn't have any money though, like cash,

935
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:42,760
Speaker 1: so I walked back out. Was like, I got suitcase

936
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: for the stuff. I just gave her a couple of

937
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: serious and all of that type of stuff. So, I mean,

938
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: I felt bad when I walked past her, Like I

939
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: mean where I'm at now in life, I mean I'm

940
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: pretty well off understanding where I come from and whatnot.

941
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: But just you know, being able to help others, you know,

942
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 1: it just I felt like I had to, you know now,

943
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 1: Look it was. It was great to see and because

944
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: of your spirit and your compassion, like there are a

945
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: lot of people rooting for you. I just want to say, man,

946
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 1: I wish you nothing but the best. I'm excited to

947
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:14,439
Speaker 1: see how your NFL career turns out. I look forward

948
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: to talking you when you are a Trull and you're

949
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 1: fishing in the nash Football League. Thank so much for

950
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: joining the program. Obviously, Man, the kid is a great kid.

951
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: All the stuff that he's been able to do. I

952
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: think he's kind of surprised people just with not only

953
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: the physical tools, but an interviews and talking to coaches.

954
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: They've been really impressed with where he's at right now

955
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: in terms of his knowledge, in terms of how he's

956
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,240
Speaker 1: able to kind of put together to concepts and respond

957
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: to the questions. And so I think that bowls well now.

958
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 1: I think we both would agree he's not a ready

959
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,959
Speaker 1: to play right now. But as we've seen in this league,

960
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: if you have superior athletic traits and you have tools

961
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: that can enable you to survive out there while you're

962
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 1: figuring it out, guys are more than willing to give

963
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: you a chance to play. So we'll see he gets

964
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: his opportunity to play and if he plays well when

965
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,240
Speaker 1: he gets that chance for early in his career, Bucky,

966
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 1: you watch baseball, I mean home run hitters play. Home

967
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,280
Speaker 1: run hitters get a chance to play and play early

968
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: and when Rookie of the Year awards. While while he

969
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 1: may not have UM well, he may not. You don't

970
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: look at him as a profile of an early playing quarterback.

971
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 1: The home run tools he has. I mean, that's what

972
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: you pay attention to, and that's what when we have

973
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: Willis has more than any other quarterback in this draft.

974
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: He can hit home runs and that's you have to

975
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: pay attention to that. In today's NFL. This is not

976
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: a Deacon dunk down the field eleven twelve thirteen play drive.

977
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: Tom Brady is not stepping on that field anymore for

978
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: one of those drives. Peyton Manning, that's a wrap. He's

979
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 1: out of here. Drew Brees is out of here. You

980
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: gotta be able to hit home runs night right now,

981
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: Malik can go yard, you know. So now let's let's

982
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:49,479
Speaker 1: talk about wide receivers. Um. You know we we talked

983
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 1: at the beginning, like how how many guys ran fast?

984
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 1: And you know, it was like a track me out

985
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: there in terms of like the speed explosioness the way

986
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: the guys were kind of lightening up the track. Um,

987
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: who's something the guy that stood out to you in

988
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: your mind? Well to me vellas well. Okay, so I

989
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: don't want to go too too deep into the pile

990
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 1: of wide receivers. But Um, obviously I thought that the

991
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 1: two that really popped the most, the three that popped

992
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: the most to me that are going to be impact

993
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: wide receivers in the first two days of the draft

994
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: are gonna be Chris Lave, Garrett Wilson, and Christian Watson. Um,

995
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: Chris Lave and Garrett Wilson, we know both of these guys.

996
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 1: They're coming from Ohio State. Alive ran really fast. Um

997
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: did not have as explosive a workout and the other elements.

998
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson ran much faster than a lot of people anticipated.

999
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: I thought he'd be in the four four five range.

1000
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 1: He ran a four three eight, which you know was

1001
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 1: I think once you hit that four three, markets just different.

1002
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 1: And that's what he did. And then Christian Watson, Bucky,

1003
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: this is a guy you want to talk about, somebody

1004
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 1: who's helped himself during the process. He ran a four

1005
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 1: three six yesterday. And Christian Watson comes from North Dakota State,

1006
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: which is like the Alabama of fcs. They just are

1007
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: a dominant, dominant program. But Um, he also jumped thirty

1008
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: eight and a half inches. He his broad jump was

1009
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: over was right at close to well right at eleven

1010
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,240
Speaker 1: over eleven feet over eleven feet and he's six ft

1011
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: four close to pounds. Like man, that is a crazy

1012
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: physical you know profile paired up with speed, paired up

1013
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: with explosiveness. And I think he really really helped himself.

1014
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 1: He's a guy that I thought would be a fourth

1015
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: rounder coming into the Senior Bowl, and now we we

1016
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: stepped to the plate, and uh, that guy's made himself money.

1017
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: I mean he's gonna be in the second round now

1018
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: for sure. Well you kind of mentioned to the Ohio

1019
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: State guys, and so what I want to do is

1020
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: we have a couple of interviews with the higher state

1021
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 1: Buckeye White receivers, Chris Olive and Garrett Wilson. Let's listen

1022
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: to what both of the buckets had to say. It'll

1023
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: be Alive a first, and you hear Wilson, afternoon, welcome

1024
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 1: back to move the sticks. You got one of the

1025
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: best wide receivers in the two draft class. Chris Olive

1026
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: from the how You State universe? I know people get

1027
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: mad when I don't see the d before of it.

1028
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: How are you doing? I'm doing good man, I'm blessed

1029
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: to be here. Look, so everyone was really excited to

1030
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: see you perform at the combine. How do you feel

1031
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 1: about your I felt good. I want to come out

1032
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: here prove it to myself first. Uh been about O

1033
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: versus me of this whole process. So I just want

1034
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,320
Speaker 1: to put that put out on the field, see my speed,

1035
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: see my routes, and did that? So what what? What

1036
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: have you been working on since the end of the season,

1037
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 1: like in preparation for the combine. What are some of

1038
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: the things that you've been working on to get ready.

1039
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: I've been getting a lot of therapy, trying to get

1040
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 1: my body right. First, worked on my diet, started any

1041
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: way better. Uh, instead of eating terrible in college and

1042
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:45,720
Speaker 1: then just working on my speed, working on my start,

1043
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 1: and then working on my routes. Okay, I gotta hear

1044
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,800
Speaker 1: about this diet thing because I always wondered. I always

1045
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 1: wondering about the nutrition. Porter. So you say, you see

1046
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: terrible at how you state? But yeah, you're the all

1047
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 1: time leader in touchdowns? So what were you eating when

1048
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: you were playing? A man? I was in mcnalzing all

1049
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 1: the fast food, Wendy's, all that stuff, and still more

1050
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: touch stoff, Like I'm still doing that. I don't know.

1051
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: If I don't know if I would abandoned that because

1052
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: if I sport thirt or five touchdowns in my career,

1053
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: I still might everybody get them menue and those things.

1054
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: So and thinking about like having the opportunity to play

1055
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: it on how your state, your wide receiver rule is

1056
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 1: so competible. There's so many great guys here. What did

1057
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 1: you learn from competing to earn your spot at all?

1058
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 1: Your state? When you go to our state, you compete

1059
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: against the best every day. So you got my freshman

1060
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 1: I came in, Terry mcloin, Paris Campbell, whole bunch of

1061
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: NFL receivers in there. I learned from them. And then

1062
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 1: you've got guys Garrett Wilson and Jamison Williams, Jackson Smith

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Speaker 1: each eva. Uh. We just compete against each other every

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00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: day and just try to get better and that helps you.

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Speaker 1: That helps us at the end of the day. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So now Ryan Day is a mastermind. He's putting it

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Speaker 1: all together. We get all these guys who can get down.

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Speaker 1: So when you're all in a critical situation and the

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00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 1: ball has to go to somebody, how does he determine

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Speaker 1: who to get the ball too? We're all confident, I mean,

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Speaker 1: coach Day is one of the smartest coaches in the

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Speaker 1: in the college it with the NFL background, so we

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Speaker 1: trust him. At the end of the day, we got

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Speaker 1: great receivers at all the states, so we were comfortable

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Speaker 1: where wherever the ball goes. So and thinking about that,

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Speaker 1: because you're talking about coach Day having the NFL background,

1077
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 1: but your wide receiver coach Brian Harlan's quickly being recognized

1078
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:18,800
Speaker 1: one of the best in the country. What have you

1079
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 1: learned from him? Because he played for a long time

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00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 1: in the league and then he certainly wanted the best coach.

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00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 1: He played in the NFL, so when he's saying something,

1082
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 1: we all listen. He did it in in the NFL

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00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,280
Speaker 1: and he came back to help us. So he developed

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00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,919
Speaker 1: into the best in the country. Uh. Like I said,

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00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 1: he the best in the country and we all love

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00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 1: him at the end of the day. Cool, all right,

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00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 1: So we just got the Pro day left. What are

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00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: some of the things you want to work on before

1089
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 1: the product? Just running a couple more routes. I feel

1090
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 1: like we put some routes on the field is in

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00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: the combine, but me and Garrett want to go out

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00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 1: there on Pro Day and rust some more routes and

1093
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: probably bench pressed. All right, man, well you know NFL

1094
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: Networks cerdainly gonna be there, so I can't wait to

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00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 1: watch you work out. I can't wait to see where

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00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: you go in NFL Draft. Thanks so much with j

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Speaker 1: Yes bless next joining us on the Move with the

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Speaker 1: six podcasts. One of the top one receives in college football.

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Speaker 1: One of the top prospects in the twenty two NFL Draft,

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Speaker 1: Gary Wilson from the all Right you State Universe. Because

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00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 1: I have to say the right it is? It kind

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00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: of is. You know, I miss it sometimes I appreciate

1103
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 1: you doing that and that's cool. So look, how's your

1104
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 1: combine experience being Yeah, um, you know, it's been a

1105
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: long week. You know, I was just talking about it,

1106
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 1: but uh, you know, don't get me wrong, it's a blessing.

1107
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 1: But you know we were bouncing around doing you know,

1108
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 1: things all over the place, and you know you've got

1109
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 1: something to prove at you here, so try to keep

1110
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 1: that mindset going throughout. So what were some of the

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00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: things that you wanted to prove? Yeah, you know, first off,

1112
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 1: I wanted to prove that I can run fashion and

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00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: what you know, most people were saying to me, Um,

1114
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: we're saying about me, And you know, I wanted to

1115
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: also prove my knowledge for the game of football. You

1116
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 1: know when I got in those meeting room with coaches, Um,

1117
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,359
Speaker 1: you don't really wanted to show that coverage, recognition, all

1118
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: that types of things. So so and and and thinking

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00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 1: about it, when I look at your game and I

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Speaker 1: watch you on tape, I feel like you're a natural

1121
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: number one receiver. I feel like you're running ability, ability,

1122
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,280
Speaker 1: kitch over the middle of field. All those things are outstanding.

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00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: But when you look at yourself P one tape, what

1124
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: would you say your best tradser Yeah, I think I

1125
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 1: go up and get the ball all above my head.

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00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,399
Speaker 1: You know, you know better than than most of my side.

1127
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: You know, I played bigger than my side. So um,

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Speaker 1: you know, I feel like you know that fifty fifty

1129
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: bars where you know where I strive and you know,

1130
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 1: make a lot of plays. So it's it's been a

1131
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: very competitive wide receiver room at Ohio State during your time.

1132
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: A lot of guys that have come and going that

1133
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: have gone on to the National Football League. So we

1134
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 1: play with guys that are that talented. What do you

1135
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 1: learn from one another? Yeah. I mean, you got no

1136
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: no choice but to improve your game, and you'd be

1137
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: dumb not to. You know, take things from other people's

1138
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: games and I'm trying to add it to yourself. So,

1139
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:31,479
Speaker 1: like you said, it's really competitive room. You know, everyone

1140
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: brings something else to the table. So you know you've

1141
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,839
Speaker 1: got guys like Chris Jackson and Jamo was there. Um,

1142
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 1: you know I took some trying to take something from

1143
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 1: all their games and you know, improved improve myself, you know,

1144
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 1: by taking some of these skills. So you guys are

1145
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: unique because you have a former NFL receiver who is

1146
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: your wide receiver collection, Brian Harlow. What have you been

1147
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 1: able to learn from him? Um? I talked about this

1148
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: a lot. You know, he's someone that you know, I

1149
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't say I'm a visual learner, but um, with having

1150
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 1: coach Hardline, he makes it super easy to learn. You know. Um,

1151
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: you can kind of show you everything that you know,

1152
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: we were drills were going through. He can, she can

1153
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:02,839
Speaker 1: run the drill for you. He can run the route

1154
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 1: that he wants you to run, you know, the way

1155
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: he wants you to run it. If you're messing it up,

1156
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: that that type of thing you know. So, like I said,

1157
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 1: he was probably three or four years removed from the

1158
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: league when he had got that job, and um, you know,

1159
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 1: having a young coach that can be you know, really active,

1160
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,280
Speaker 1: loves to play, you know, it makes it easy on us. Okay,

1161
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 1: so the next step for you is your pro day.

1162
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: What are some of the things you want to work

1163
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 1: on before the scouts come and have a chance to

1164
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: see you at already said yeah, just overall clean up

1165
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 1: my route running. You know, I feel like I left

1166
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: some things on the field today. So um, you know,

1167
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: I definitely wanted to run well, like I said, but

1168
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: you know, I had a lot more to prove than that,

1169
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 1: and I feel like I didn't do that all the way.

1170
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Speaker 1: So you know, pro day comes marche. Uh, we don't

1171
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: have c J throwing, you know, me and Chris is

1172
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 1: gonna be doing our thing and record record gonna be

1173
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: back healthy. So I'm excited for that for sure. Hey,

1174
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: We'll look, We're excited. You can see you progress. You're talented,

1175
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 1: You're outstanding and all aspects of playing the game. So

1176
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: we I really appreciate that. Thank God for having me.

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00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 1: What cool lance. One of the things about when you

1178
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: play at the Ohio State University. You know, I don't

1179
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 1: have a great coaching and Ryan Day, but both guys

1180
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 1: mentioned Brian Hartline, a former NFL wide receiver who is

1181
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,240
Speaker 1: really transitioned well into becoming one of the best receiver

1182
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 1: coaches in the college football landscape. I think you certainly

1183
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: can see his impact on their game, not only in

1184
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: terms of the way they go about their businesses route

1185
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: runners and playmakers, but the way they handle themselves, in

1186
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: the way they can articulate the things that are necessary

1187
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:21,399
Speaker 1: to the position. Um. They have a pro day coming

1188
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 1: up in the March. I want to see both of

1189
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: those guys continue to add um a little polish to

1190
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 1: the route running part of the game. But man, I

1191
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: think it's pretty much wrap that both of these guys

1192
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 1: may hear their names called at the end of the

1193
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 1: first round. Yeah, they're both gonna. I think they'll both

1194
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 1: hear their names called maybe by the time Cleveland drafts.

1195
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 1: I mean, whoever is on the board, maybe at Cleveland

1196
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,359
Speaker 1: Brown And that may be the way it is. All right,

1197
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 1: So we look, we still got three more days of

1198
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:51,840
Speaker 1: workouse a lot of stuff to evaluate and discuss. We

1199
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Speaker 1: have the old line and running backs on tap for

1200
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: the day. Really looking forward to seeing the big guys

1201
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: because I think this could be the cluster buster, meaning

1202
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: how we separate the clusters in terms of the tears

1203
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: and those things based on athleticism as opposed to the tape.

1204
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 1: So I'm looking forward to it. But I know everyone

1205
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: can make sure they check us out all weekend. We're

1206
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 1: doing Combine today, which airs an hour before the combine

1207
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Speaker 1: takes place. Make sure you catch up with Matt Money, Smith,

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00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:22,320
Speaker 1: Lance and myself will be kind of previewing all of

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00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: the events of the day, reviewing some of the things

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00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 1: that happened to previous day. We'll just kind of keep

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Speaker 1: you up to date on all the news. So thanks

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Speaker 1: for tuning in the Movies six podcasts. We'll check you

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Speaker 1: out next time.