1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: One of the most ancient alcoholic beverages. Beer has brought 2 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:08,399 Speaker 1: people together since the dawn of civilization. Today's episode is 3 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: all about the history of beer. My name is Eva 4 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 1: Lamboria and I am and welcome to Hungry for History, 5 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 1: a podcast that explores our past and present through food. 6 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: On every episode, we'll talk about the history of some 7 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: of our favorite dishes, ingredients, and beverages. So make yourself 8 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: at home. Even do you have a beer with you 9 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: right now? I have like what I have in front 10 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: of me. I have a little a little container filled 11 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 1: with ice, and I have a little coronita. I love those. 12 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: I have charo beer. You have had? You have that. 13 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: It's wonderful. It's like the opposite of this. I love 14 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: that we both we both picked Mexican beers. I'm gonna 15 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: open this one up? Is it twist? Opening it up 16 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:07,759 Speaker 1: with my teeth? Don't do that. No, I got it. 17 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 1: Oh that's a good sound. I was trying to get 18 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 1: that sound. M Now, you are a fan of beer. 19 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: I am not. You're not a fan of beer. I'm 20 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: not a beer drinker. No. I feel like I drink 21 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: more other things than I drink beer. But on a 22 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: hot summer day. There's nothing better than a beer oh 23 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: or like a really good mit. Okay, that's my jam. 24 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: Now you're now you're speaking my language. I'll drink a 25 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: michelala and I'll drink um. Uh. What's the other? The 26 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: clemato has that tomato based Yes, that's the one. I 27 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: like the clamato with the with the chamoi on the rim, 28 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: with the uh pica as a straw. I mean all, 29 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: I like it. I like it fully, the full prepared, 30 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: say that it is the best, and when it has 31 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: a piece of celery sticking out of it, that's even better. 32 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: I did not know michell Lava came from Michella elava 33 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: my beer ice cold Michella. I love these sort of 34 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 1: play on words, like when you think about where words 35 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: come from. I find that so interesting. So even the 36 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:30,799 Speaker 1: word servesa comes from the Roman goddess of agriculture setis, 37 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: so setis the strength of setis, so the strength of 38 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: agriculture is the set is the goddess weak. Right, Yeah, 39 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: Cetis is the goddess. Yeah, because that's where cereal comes 40 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: from as well, exactly the exactly goddess of setis. Yes, 41 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: ohsa comes from Yeah, very interesting, so many interesting things. 42 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: Beer's older than wine. Correct, beer is one of the 43 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: most ancient fermented revergence. Like, we don't know exactly when 44 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: beer was first fermented, but it was probably at least 45 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 1: four thousand BC when we first see evidence of beer 46 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 1: preparation in the Near East. So it goes back Okay, 47 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: a very very very very very long time. I know, 48 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: we don't know exactly when it started, but who did 49 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: it and when did it become like popular, that's a 50 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 1: good question. We don't know exactly who did it first, 51 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: and it's probably something that was discovered, not necessarily something 52 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: that was invented. So the first evidence of beer dates 53 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: to you know, the Fertile Crescent, this area stretching from 54 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: modern day Egypt, the Mediterranean to Turkey, Iran, Iraq, these 55 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: whole areas that we started study in fourth grade. Basically 56 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: we see the evolution of beer starting when people move 57 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: from a hunting and gathering society to becoming sort of 58 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: sedentary and growing wheat to bake bread. So it probably 59 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: just happened and this sort of fermentation that were probably 60 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 1: making dope for bread and it was fermented, so we 61 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: start seeing beer for the first time so that goes 62 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: back even like ten thousand BC, but the first evidence 63 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: is around four thousand and there's this image from ancient 64 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 1: Mesopotamia on modern Iraq. That's a little pictogram of two 65 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: figures drinking beer from a straw. So it's this container 66 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: and then two figures drinking beer from it. So this 67 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,359 Speaker 1: is the first evidence of sort of sharing a drink 68 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:53,799 Speaker 1: becoming a symbol of hospitality and a symbol of friendship. 69 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: But beer was consumed by everybody, rich, poor men, women. 70 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: It wasn't like the quila, which was like for the 71 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: gods or the royals, right, everybody consume Everybody consumed beer. 72 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 1: It was the drink for everybody. Yes, rich, poor men, women, 73 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: you know, elderly, children's, everybody was drinking beer. So it's 74 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: very different than a lot of other you know, ancient 75 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 1: beverages and even you know today we have so many 76 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: different varieties of beer. This is something that has always 77 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: been around. I mean, the ancient Egyptians had at least 78 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: seventeen different kinds of beers, and they had different names. 79 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: You know, they had names ranging from the beautiful and 80 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: the good, the heavenly, the joy bringer. But you mentioned 81 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: like the Gilan, you know or Bulkan mayawel and all 82 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: of these ideas of We talked about this a little 83 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: bit with when we did our tequila episode and also 84 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 1: with the wine episode that drinking and getting a little 85 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 1: bit buzzed connecting us to the gods. So this is 86 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 1: the same with with beer. Right, This whole idea of 87 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: beer's ability to intoxicate and inducing a state of you know, 88 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: altered consciousness was something that was magical. It was like 89 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 1: it was a gift from the gods. I think I 90 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: stole that from you that every time I drink wine, 91 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: I go, I'm just connecting to the gods. Don't mind me, 92 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: don't mind me. But yeah, it was like it seemed magical. 93 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: It was like a magical experience. And you know, talking 94 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: about our wine episode, you know, I had read that 95 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 1: beer was easier to make because grapes were seasonal. Wine 96 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:32,159 Speaker 1: couldn't be stored without pottery, and pottery really didn't emerge 97 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: until six thousand BCS. So beer could be stored like 98 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 1: in leather bags or animal stomachs or I mean like 99 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 1: really stone vessels. Like it wasn't It was a very 100 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: low maintenance alcoholic. Absolutely, it was very low maintenance and 101 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: because of this, eventually it becomes a drink of the 102 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: lower classes because it wasn't wine, and we start seeing 103 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: this shift, whereas for millennia it was such a for everybody, 104 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 1: especially you know, the ancient Greeks and the Romans. They 105 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,919 Speaker 1: started creating this division, even though everybody was still drinking 106 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: beer because it was accessible, it was easy, it was enjoyable. 107 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: So yeah, but yes, absolutely, I love that that beer. 108 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: Like in original writings, like the earliest collections of written language, 109 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: beer is one of the most familiar words that was 110 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: written down because of tax purposes, and so they were 111 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: obviously taxing it, but it was like one of the 112 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: most common words, one of the earliest and most common 113 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: words that was like recording. Yeah, I find that so interesting, 114 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: especially like writing was originally invented to record the collection 115 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: and distribution of grain, beer, and bread, these three things. 116 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: That's why writing. The earliest you know, documents in Cuney 117 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 1: form basically were about bread, beer, and and grain, which 118 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: is so interesting to me. But they would use it 119 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: medicinally too, sometimes sometimes saffron and beer massaged into a 120 00:08:04,880 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: woman's abdomen was prescribed for labor pains. I was like, okay, yeah, 121 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, that's interesting. Yeah, and this comes from 122 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: a document what it's called the ebers Papyrus, an Egyptian 123 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: medical text from around fifteen fifty BC with hundreds of 124 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: different examples of beer. Another one is half an onion 125 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: mixed with beer is said to cure constipation. Oh, I 126 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: gotta try that. That does not sound appetizing to me, 127 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 1: not at all, not even a little bit. It's so 128 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 1: funny that. Yeah, but the olive, the olives, the olives 129 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: with beer cured indigestion. So I just think people were very, 130 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: very innovative, and the specifically the Egyptians. They also thought 131 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: in the afterlife that a good afterlife depended on having 132 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: an adequate supply of bread. I wonder what that means. 133 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:58,559 Speaker 1: It's like, what is adequate? What would be adequate to you? 134 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,599 Speaker 1: If it were wine, be adequate to you, Oh, it 135 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: would be bottomless, like bottomless mimosas, but bottomless, bottomless vats 136 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:12,559 Speaker 1: of wine. I love it. Don't go anywhere. We've got 137 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: more on the history of beer when we come back. 138 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: I think what I find the most interesting about beer 139 00:09:31,400 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: in general is that traditionally brewers were women. What for 140 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: many women sort of fermenting beer was a household you 141 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: know task, It was an important thing. And ancient Sumerian women, 142 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: double just priestesses, a fermented beer for religious purposes, to 143 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: honor their goddess um Nicasi, who they believed gave beer 144 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: to humans and brought peace and well being to society. 145 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: So for thousands of years when and had extensive knowledge 146 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:07,079 Speaker 1: of plants associated with currying ailments, cooking, brewing, and also 147 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: which craft, I love this story. This is my favorite story. 148 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with the Middle Ages and all of that 149 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: Renaissance England. And during the Middle Ages and Renaissance England, 150 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: women transported their their beer brews in cauldrons so that 151 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: they would make it in their house in these big 152 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: cauldrons and then they would go to market. But when 153 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: they went to market, the markets were so crowded they 154 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: had to wear pointy hats so people could spot them 155 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: and know where to find the beer. So this is 156 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:44,079 Speaker 1: where the term which is brew comes from, or the 157 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: word brewery, which I found so funny. But also the 158 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:54,959 Speaker 1: fact that this led to some religious movement that you know, 159 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: just as women were like establishing their mark not only 160 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 1: in beer, but like in the economy. I don't find 161 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 1: it ironic that religion was like, oh, hang on, hold 162 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:10,319 Speaker 1: on a minute, women are getting too far ahead of themselves. 163 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:15,839 Speaker 1: The religious movement made it more strict for women to 164 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: make beer and condemned witchcraft, which was like associated with brewery. 165 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: And then the male brewers saw the opportunity and to 166 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: reduce competition, and so some of those male brewers would 167 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: accuse female brewers of witchcraft and being witches, and they 168 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 1: were brewing up spells and potions instead of the beer. 169 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:40,719 Speaker 1: And that was it, like the rumors took over, and 170 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: then over time it just became dangerous for women to 171 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 1: practice brewing beer for the fear of being misidentified as 172 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:51,559 Speaker 1: a witch. Like what, it's insane. Yes, because of the 173 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,319 Speaker 1: whole Reformation movement that was so okay, no, no, no, 174 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: we can't have women in the economy. We can't have 175 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:00,040 Speaker 1: powerful women. The fact that to date, to date and 176 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 1: men dominate the beer industry and all these beer companies, 177 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:08,719 Speaker 1: you know, really position beer as a male drink. And 178 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,839 Speaker 1: it's really you see, you can connect the dots of 179 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: history and go, oh, that's where it's you know, it's 180 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:18,439 Speaker 1: so it's so fascinating, it's that blows my mind. This 181 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 1: whole which which is with the pointy hats making beer, 182 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: they were just you know, they were just trying to 183 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: make a living. And another part of that story, some 184 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 1: of the women had their shops, but maybe they worked 185 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,839 Speaker 1: with their husbands and had their shops. So they used 186 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:37,679 Speaker 1: to have cats to keep mice away from their grains 187 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: that they were using to make beer. So that's a 188 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: whole other thing that Pointy had. And if that's a 189 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:56,719 Speaker 1: whole added, a whole added story, let's talk about the 190 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: history of beer in Mexico because you know, I covered 191 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: this in Searching for Mexico when I was in Nouivo 192 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:06,439 Speaker 1: Leon and there's a huge beer movement in Nouivo Leon. 193 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 1: Uh And I got to go to a couple of 194 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:13,679 Speaker 1: beer factories, breweries and and solve the whole process and 195 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:17,240 Speaker 1: how they make it. And there's like this huge artisanal movement. 196 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: So is the artisanale beer Is it the same as 197 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: a craft beer movement? That's different from like that I'm drinking, 198 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: But it's the charo that you're drinking, right, that's this 199 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: is like this, Yeah, char a craft beer. Yeah, charos 200 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: a craft beer. Yeah, it's a it's a premium Mexican pilsner. Uh, 201 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: and it's definitely made differently. And these are also these 202 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: artisanal you know, craft beers are much smaller batch beers, 203 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: like much more much smaller production. It's not the millions 204 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: and millions and millions of gallons that are produced. They're 205 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: much more thoughtful. Um. Yeah, you don't even want to 206 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:56,320 Speaker 1: know how much water goes into making one bottle. Really 207 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: it's at Wow, it's a lot of water. I mean 208 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: from from beginning to end, I mean from how much 209 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: you have to water wheat and barley and the crops 210 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: to fermenting it, dumping that out, fermenting it, dumping that out, 211 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: boiling it, dumping that out. Like it's a lot of 212 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 1: a lot of gallons per bottle. So beer is beer 213 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: the most consumed alcoholic beverage? It is or one. It 214 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: is right, it is the most. It is the most. 215 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: So barley and we were brought to Mexico, New Spain 216 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: early on between fifteen twenty one and fifteen twenty three. 217 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: And beer was first made the summer of fifteen forty two, 218 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: so really early on by a man named Alfonsorera. He 219 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: was a member of Nancortes's expedition and he established a 220 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: European style brewery near you know, Mexico City, on the 221 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: foot of the volcanoes around Mexico City, and this is 222 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: an area known for its water. You just mentioned how 223 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: much water is needed, so there was a lot of 224 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: water there and he was making amazing beers, but three 225 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 1: fourths of the profits had to be sent to Spain. 226 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: So and then Spain didn't like that local beer was 227 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: competing with the sale of imported wines. So the brewery 228 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: closed after a couple of years. And for centuries, beers 229 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: were imported from Europe, you know, primarily from Germany and Belgium, 230 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: alongside beer and other liquors. But because of this, beer 231 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: was super expensive, so the locals, you know, population, they 232 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 1: couldn't afford it, or much of the population couldn't afford it, 233 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: and they preferred the native pulque, which is another fermented 234 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: you know drink. And then after the before the revolution 235 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: with when Portfilio the as President Bofilia Diaz was in 236 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: power in the late eighteen hundreds, he started cracking down 237 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: on drinking. He started imposing regulations on pulque, which was 238 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: very popular among the indigenous population. Because he wanted Mexico 239 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: to be seen as more modern and European. So these 240 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: European brewers, it started opening up breweries around Mexico, started 241 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 1: spreading rumors that Pulke was dirty, that pul was written 242 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: with feces, stigmatizing Pulke and its producers, and by the 243 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: nineteen fifties beer had overtaken Pulke and many of Mexico 244 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: cities Bulke as closed. Just like the railroad network built 245 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: in Mexico allowing the importing of that of all this 246 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: machinery forced Mexican brewers to compete against North American beers, 247 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: and that's how we started this mass distribution throughout Mexico. 248 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: And I thought that was interesting, like the railroad brought 249 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: the access to the machinery, because you know, I've been 250 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: through that with in Central America. I've visited so many 251 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: farms into America on Luras, Nigarawa, El Salvador, and the 252 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: thing that holds them back is lack of tractors. They 253 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: don't have the technology to be a force, but yet 254 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: they have the soil and the climate, and so you're like, wait, 255 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: you know, this is crazy, this something as small as 256 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: a tractor, but it's not that small. It's like it's 257 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: it's a big deal. And we the charity I was with, 258 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: took down some tractors that we're going to change the 259 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: lives of some of these families. So it's interesting when 260 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: I saw that, I was like, the importing of machinery 261 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: from the US allowed Mexican brewers to compete, Yeah, to 262 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,719 Speaker 1: grow otherwise, Yeah, it makes it makes perfect sense. Otherwise, 263 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: how are they gonna how are you gonna get it 264 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:43,919 Speaker 1: from one place to the to the other. So then 265 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: we start seeing by the end of the nineteenth century, 266 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: we start seeing brewery on a large scale. And then 267 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: how did prohibition affect be prohibition US prohibition in the 268 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:01,439 Speaker 1: nineteen twenties, Americans couldn't drink. Americans cross the board to drink. 269 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,360 Speaker 1: And this was in the nineteen twenties. They already had 270 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 1: the machinery in the railroads. And this really helped propel 271 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:14,159 Speaker 1: the brewing industry in Mexico's brewing industry. And by nineteen 272 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 1: twenty five, the beer industry was thriving, and we started 273 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: seeing you know, glass industry, the bottlecap industry, advertising industry, 274 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: so ice, iced ice, everything just really started to grow 275 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 1: around that time in the nineteen twenties. Wow, and then this, 276 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: I mean so pro us prohibition really forced Americans to 277 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: travel South to drink. I mean that helped tequila, That 278 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: helps spirits, that out rum, that helped everything. When we 279 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:55,960 Speaker 1: come back, Carmembla of Mohere's Brewhouse sends us a message, 280 00:18:56,240 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: stay with us, Welcome back to the show. Moherrez Brewhouse 281 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 1: is a southern California brewery that is redefining gender and 282 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 1: race in the craft beer industry. Plus it's an all 283 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 1: female run Latina owned brewhouse. Amen Here's Carmen Velasco Favela, 284 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 1: one of the founders to tell us more about this 285 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: incredible business. My name is Carmen Velasco and I was 286 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: born in San Diego. I'm the first generation of parents 287 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 1: from Sinaloa and Sonora, and I am the founder and 288 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: owner of Moheres Brewhouse. Some Mohdes Brewhouse actually started as 289 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: a beer club back in two nineteen. It was a 290 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 1: six month series to basically educate and empower Latina's in 291 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 1: the craft beer industry. So we started with the history 292 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: of craft beer all the way to making a beer 293 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 1: together with the girls, and from an idea, it turned 294 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: out that we had over fifty women show up on 295 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: our first class, and that was really the beginning of 296 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:15,360 Speaker 1: this project, which has now become its own brewery, which 297 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: is now mouhett Is Brewhouse that opened up during the pandemic. 298 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 1: We had built so much momentum with the girls that 299 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,919 Speaker 1: doing zoom and other things was just not an option. 300 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 1: So there have been a vacant brewery in the community, 301 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: and so we reached out to them. We said, hey, 302 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 1: we've got all these women. We would love to use 303 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:37,919 Speaker 1: your space to continue our education further. And one thing 304 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 1: led to another. Here we are two years later and 305 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: we have Mouhettes Brewhouse that is all operated by women 306 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:52,160 Speaker 1: and basically dedicated to women. A lot of the recipes 307 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,719 Speaker 1: we come up with, they, you know, some of them 308 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: are true to style. So we have a straight West 309 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: Coast ipa and then we have beers that are like 310 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 1: la It's Thamadino Belgian with and we incorporate some of 311 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,719 Speaker 1: the flavors that I grew up with as far as 312 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 1: being Latina Mexican into our beer, and people really love 313 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 1: to see that. They enjoy that. Not only do we 314 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 1: make beers with some of the ingredients we grew up with. 315 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: But also we make miche lavas that I'm from Sinaloa, 316 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 1: so I'm a Marisco girl and I love my miche lava. 317 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,920 Speaker 1: And so those are things that we've incorporated in our 318 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: brewery that celebrate what we grew up with as as 319 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 1: Latin x or as Mexican. I'm just so proud of 320 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: my team, all the girls that have come this far 321 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: to be part of this project and to represent because 322 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 1: it's not easy. Anytime you go into an area that's 323 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 1: now male dominated, it's intimidating. But you know what, at 324 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: the end of the day, if you're if your heart, 325 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 1: if it's speaking to you and that you need to 326 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: do something, you can do it. And so I just 327 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: recommend that for any woman in the craft beer industry 328 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: or in any other business it's male dominated, to move forward. Well, 329 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 1: I think the craft beer is the original beer. The 330 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: craft beer is the original beer. Absolutely, it is the 331 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: original beer. And there is a company in Mexico craft 332 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: beer movement in Mexico called Impetuosa. Do you know about this. 333 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 1: It's a group of women, it's a it's a it's 334 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 1: a Mexican craft beer movement, you know, buy women and 335 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 1: it's all of these women that are getting together and 336 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 1: making craft beer and their proceeds go to women organizations. Um, 337 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 1: so that is very very cool. I haven't had that 338 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: many Mexican craft beers other than Chato. Really, I don't 339 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: think I've had that many Mexican craft beers. I love Chato. 340 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: I'm not a beer drinker, but Charo's my jam um. 341 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 1: I really it's just smooth. And then I was like, oh, 342 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 1: maybe I'm a pilsner girl. Like I. Charo brought me 343 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 1: into beer, like to really experience it and like like 344 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 1: other things like wine and tequila, where you have notes 345 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: and you have like finishes and you have yoh yeah, 346 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: you can smell the barley, you can taste the honey, 347 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: and I'm like, I taste beer. Um. But Charo really 348 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 1: like a lot of the craft beers. Really you have 349 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 1: a better experience than the mass produced ones because you 350 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 1: can really feel those those notes and the care and 351 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: concern that is brewed in every bottle. You go, Okay, 352 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: this is like. I went to a bar in Monterrey 353 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 1: that had ninety nine beers, which is funny play on 354 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: ninety nine bottles of beer on the wall, but ninety 355 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 1: nine draft draft beer, and one tasted like mango, one 356 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 1: tasted like chocolate, one tasted like They had a really 357 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 1: fun menu and it was really a really fun place. 358 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: It's in the searching for Mexico. So you you guys 359 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:03,239 Speaker 1: will have to check. I have to go. I'm going 360 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 1: to Terre in April for a wedding, so you have 361 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: to give me, give me list. It's um, it's it's 362 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: it's built. The restaurant is built out of old train 363 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 1: box cars, so it's super cool. And the food like 364 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 1: it's a bar, but the food and they have brisket. 365 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 1: They have a lot of Texas stuff. They have a 366 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: lot of barbecue and stuff like that there. And I 367 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: was like, oh my god. And they were so excited 368 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: to serve me the brisket because I was that's awesome. 369 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: It was like and it was briskets and beer, briskets 370 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,680 Speaker 1: and beer. It's like the best, the best thing. I 371 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 1: will say. I'm so proud that that, like even mass 372 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 1: market Mexican beers are so good and very on par 373 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: with the good European beer. I agree that really they were, 374 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: that they were modeled after total I thought, I thought 375 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: the evolution of beer in Mexico is something. It is. 376 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 1: I agree, and I love a good even though it's 377 00:24:55,720 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 1: not the fanciest, it's not the you know, craftiest, there's 378 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 1: just something very good about this sort of little sunshine 379 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 1: in a bottle. Love it. What a fascinating history, and 380 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 1: there's so much more. I mean, we went down the 381 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: lane of Mexico because that's who we are, but like, 382 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 1: if you really did a deep dive of beer, it 383 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 1: could take you down many family trees, many family trees 384 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: of countries. And I was, I was, I like, obviously 385 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: having the lens of Mexico. But what fascinated memost is 386 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: the women's involvement in the early evolution of pearly. You know, 387 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: like all good things that are invented, it was invented 388 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 1: the war exactly not invented, but but helped along the way. 389 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:51,360 Speaker 1: I totally totally, Well, thanks everybody for listening. Cheers. 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