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Speaker 1: Clay Travis with the Clay and Buck Show, wishing you

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Speaker 1: and your family of very mary Christmas and a happy

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Speaker 1: New Year.

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Speaker 2: Buck Sexton here, the entire Clay and Buck Show wish

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Speaker 2: you and your family a warm Christmas season and a

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Speaker 2: joyful New year.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for listening. This is the best of with

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Speaker 3: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.

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Speaker 2: Subscribe to our YouTube everybody. We're gonna be doing more

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Speaker 2: and more video and hoping to even get closer and

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Speaker 2: closer to more exciting video projects that will launch next year.

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Speaker 1: That hope.

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Speaker 2: That was vague but exciting. That's right, Clay. That's the

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Speaker 2: way to do it.

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Speaker 1: A little vague, vague but exciting is a great, great phrase.

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Speaker 1: That's the move.

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Speaker 2: That's how you got to do it in a media

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Speaker 2: all the time. It's a little bit like my conspiracy

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Speaker 2: podcast that I want to start where I just say

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Speaker 2: the craziest stuff possible. When people ask me for my sources,

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Speaker 2: I'm just like, I just have a feeling I've heard

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Speaker 2: from somebody who heard from somebody who had a feeling.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I can't review my sources to you.

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Speaker 2: You just just take people in wild directions.

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Speaker 1: See what happens.

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Speaker 2: But something else that is on my mind here.

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Speaker 1: As we had.

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Speaker 2: The designation of here, this actually happened today. The State Department,

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Speaker 2: from the official account, here you go. Anarchist militants have

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Speaker 2: waged terror campaigns in the United States and Europe, conspiring

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Speaker 2: to undermine the foundations of Western civilization through their brutal attacks.

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Speaker 2: The State Department will designate these four ANTIFA groups as

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Speaker 2: fto's Foreign Terrorist organizations. Antifa aust is a terrorist organization

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Speaker 2: based in Germany, wielding hammers on unsuspecting victims. They were

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Speaker 2: named a terrorist organization by Hungary after attacks in Budapest.

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Speaker 2: The International Revolutionary Front in Italy, Coalition of Violent Anarchists,

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Speaker 2: Armed Proletarian Justice, a Greek anarchist group, Revolutionary Class Self

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Speaker 2: Defense also in Greece. So they've named all these European

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Speaker 2: ANTIFA wings as Foreign Terrorist Organizations FTO. That's a that

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Speaker 2: means once you are at ft OH, the US government's

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Speaker 2: ability and tools to deal with you are considerable. They

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Speaker 2: are fearsome on the financial side, on the legal side,

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Speaker 2: and even on the kinetic side of things. Uh when

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Speaker 2: when the situation calls for it. So that is a

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Speaker 2: major escalation and the notion that Antifah Remember when the

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Speaker 2: FBI director under Biden said antifa was an idea. Yes,

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Speaker 2: that was a particularly low moment for a very brought

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Speaker 2: low FBI. FBI under under under Pattel and Bongino. Are

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Speaker 2: they're fixing things, Clay that's going on. Then there's also this.

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Speaker 2: Then I think it ties in because Antifah is a

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Speaker 2: bunch of anti civilization lunatics John Fetterman.

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Speaker 1: And and this has been true for a while. I'll

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Speaker 1: take a step back and say this.

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Speaker 2: Remember when Elon said that wokeness was really just an

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Speaker 2: excuse for nasty people to be cruel and feel self

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Speaker 2: righteous about it. You know, there was some version if

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Speaker 2: was I think he was That was his Babylon B

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Speaker 1: Do you remember that exchange? Yeah, percent remember it, And

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Speaker 1: and I do think. Look, there are a lot of

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Speaker 1: mean people on the internet, and you and I both

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Speaker 1: made our livings on the internet, so U we are

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Speaker 2: Like, we we poke fun and we call it out

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Speaker 1: We don't say anything publicly that we would.

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Speaker 2: There, you're a little saltier Clay. Clay likes to mix

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Speaker 2: of the Clay likes to sometimes break the beer bottle

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Speaker 1: But you know, yeah, I don't mind when people are

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Speaker 2: This is really interesting, CNN's Dana Bash saying that the left.

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Speaker 4: your next stroke, or that's terrible, that depression want why

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Speaker 4: And and I hope your kids find you, uh, I

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Speaker 4: And that's that's really been consistent, you know in that

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Speaker 2: Clay, the online left embraces and celebrates a demonic viciousness

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Speaker 1: It's just reality, yes, And I think it has to

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Speaker 1: really scary sometimes, and I encourage people to think about it.

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Speaker 1: If you become convinced that you are one hundred percent

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Speaker 1: I do think this is important. Fetterman said the day

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Speaker 1: That was probably what most people would consider to be

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Speaker 1: the apex of John Fetterman's professional life. And on the

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Speaker 2: Deeply dark and disturbing rummaging through the wreckage of people's souls.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in Everybody. We're joined by Jack Carr. He

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Speaker 2: the Terminal List book series and the streaming show, which

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Speaker 2: the show usually Jack, you know you don't get both

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Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you so much. Yeah, both went to

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Speaker 2: How do I start to write a fiction book in

437
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Speaker 2: the most general terms, what do you say to them?

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Speaker 5: I say, don't worry about anything else but writing that book, meaning,

439
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Speaker 5: don't worry about do I need to find an agent,

440
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Speaker 5: do I need to find a publisher? How does that happen.

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Speaker 5: Do I need a social media presence? Do I need

442
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Speaker 5: to build that up in order to sell books? I

443
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Speaker 5: need to get a website going when need to start. No,

444
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Speaker 5: all of that bandwidth is now bandwidth that is not

445
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Speaker 5: going into making that product, in this case, a book,

446
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Speaker 5: the best that it can possibly be. So focus those

447
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Speaker 5: efforts on making this book the best it can possibly be.

448
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Speaker 5: And then once it's done, or you get it to

449
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Speaker 5: a place where you think, hey, if I worked on

450
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Speaker 5: this for the next five to ten years, it would

451
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Speaker 5: get better, but it would get better by a degree

452
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Speaker 5: or two. And when you're at that stage, then it's

453
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Speaker 5: time to start thinking about those other things, thinking about

454
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Speaker 5: how to find an agent and a publisher and all

455
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Speaker 5: the rest of it. But the first thing you have

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Speaker 5: to do is have that product that.

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Speaker 2: I got one follow up question for you, Jack, and sorry,

458
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Speaker 2: I may or may not be taking notes here, because

459
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Speaker 2: I think writing a fiction book would be fun. Do

460
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Speaker 2: you structure the whole thing out or do you start

461
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Speaker 2: writing based on the story you want to tell and

462
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Speaker 2: then create structure after you've gotten a chapter out or something.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I have the same exact process from the entire time,

464
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Speaker 5: and it's not based on anything that I read or

465
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Speaker 5: anyone's advice. It was just what I thought was common sense.

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Speaker 5: And I've come up with the title and a theme

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Speaker 5: for every book. And I've come up with a title

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Speaker 5: even if it's going to change, so I'm not wasting

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Speaker 5: bandwidth worried about coming up with a good title. So

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Speaker 5: I do that. I have a theme that's going to

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Speaker 5: guide the writing process. In the case of the first book,

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Speaker 5: it was Revenge without Constraint, and I had that on

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Speaker 5: a little yellow sticky on my computer as I typed away,

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Speaker 5: just to keep me on track. Then I read a

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Speaker 5: one page executive summary and I read it and I say,

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Speaker 5: is this worth the next year to the year and

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Speaker 5: a half of my life? And if the answer is yes,

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Speaker 5: I read it again and I say, if someone was

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Speaker 5: to walk by a Hudson News at the airport and

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Speaker 5: pull this book off the shelf and read something similar

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Speaker 5: to this that describes the book, would they be willing

482
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Speaker 5: to invest time in this story that they're never going

483
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Speaker 5: to get back? And if the answer is yes or

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Speaker 5: most likely, then that's my project. That's the next book.

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Speaker 5: And I take that one page executive summary, turn that

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Speaker 5: into the outline so I know where I'm going. So

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Speaker 5: I have that beginning of that middle of that end,

488
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Speaker 5: a few scenes that are going to happen along the way,

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Speaker 5: and I at least have a destination. And if there's

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Speaker 5: some things in that outline where I'm like, ah, oh,

491
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Speaker 5: is he ever going to get out of this situation?

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Speaker 5: Or well, I know I have a year to figure

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Speaker 5: it out. This isn't the battlefield in a rock at

494
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Speaker 5: Afghanistan where I have to make a split second decision

495
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Speaker 5: that's going to affect people to my right and left

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Speaker 5: forever and their families. Now I have time I can

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Speaker 5: sleep on or I can wake up. I can edit,

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Speaker 5: and in a year, I am confident that I'm creative

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Speaker 5: enough that I can figure this out. So get that

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Speaker 5: to that stage, and then I turn that outline into

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Speaker 5: the narrative.

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Speaker 1: We're talking to Jack Carr. Cry Havoc is the latest

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Speaker 1: and best book that Jack Carr has ever written. According

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Speaker 1: to Jack Carr himself, I love those answers, by the way,

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Speaker 1: and I would encourage people out there to take that

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Speaker 1: advice and pursue your own writing desires. Let me ask

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Speaker 1: you this. The world is evolving and there's so much

508
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Speaker 1: crazy happening every day you write out those plot points,

509
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Speaker 1: and do you ever think, boy, there's no way anything

510
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Speaker 1: like this could happen. And then there's a plot point

511
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Speaker 1: that is very similar to what you have thought about before,

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Speaker 1: And to your point, you spend a year writing, but

513
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Speaker 1: it can end up looking very timely. How much do

514
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Speaker 1: you pay attention to current events? Buck just came back

515
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Speaker 1: from Taiwan, for instance. I'm not giving you ideas. You

516
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Speaker 1: probably haven't thought about a lot, but you know you

517
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Speaker 1: can kind of think of where the geopolitical flash points

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Speaker 1: might be. Are you conscious of that? Are you thinking

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Speaker 1: about it as you're writing, or are you trying to

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Speaker 1: divorce yourself from the current world in which you sit.

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Speaker 5: I'm always ever since I was little kid, I'm always

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Speaker 5: interested in in currents, current events, also history, the merging

523
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Speaker 5: of those two. What lessons we can draw from history

524
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Speaker 5: and apply to the problem sets of the present as wisdom.

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Speaker 5: But I'm not thinking about I need to grab something

526
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Speaker 5: from the headlines, or I need to project into the future.

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Speaker 5: It happens naturally. I'm very aware of what's going on

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Speaker 5: around the world. That's just where my interests lie. Then,

529
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Speaker 5: But I'm not obsessed with trying to fit it into

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Speaker 5: a story. Instead, I am focused only on the story.

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Speaker 5: And if I'm only focused on this story without worrying

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Speaker 5: about the current event or a headline, or if I'm

533
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Speaker 5: gonna upset somebody with if I say X, Y or

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Speaker 5: Z or hey, are short chapters better than the long chapters? Now?

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Speaker 5: I don't consider any of that. I just focused on

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Speaker 5: the story, and in doing so, I honor I think

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Speaker 5: the readership and the listenership now that is going to

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Speaker 5: spend time with me that they're never getting back. So

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Speaker 5: I focus on that. But things have happened that I've

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Speaker 5: written about that I didn't. It looks like I'm projecting

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Speaker 5: something like the Russian invasion of Ukraine, but that was

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Speaker 5: not a hard one. That was Zach came out in

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Speaker 5: twenty nineteen. That's the one we filmed True Believer that

544
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 5: we just finished up, and that storyline had to change

545
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Speaker 5: a little bit because the Russians actually did invade Ukraine.

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Speaker 5: So there's been that I talked about an AI quantum

547
00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 5: computer well before anyone had heard of chat GPT. There

548
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Speaker 5: are certain things like that that have come up in

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Speaker 5: the novels. October seventh, something similar to that I wrote

550
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Speaker 5: about in Israel not too long ago before it happened.

551
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Speaker 5: So some of these things look like I'm projecting I

552
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Speaker 5: have a crystal ball, but I certainly do not. They

553
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Speaker 5: are just they just happen to correspond with some current events.

554
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Speaker 5: But I do like to weave a lot of things

555
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Speaker 5: that are our topical into the storylines, because at one

556
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Speaker 5: day people are going to go back maybe and read these.

557
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Speaker 5: It'll be like a time machine. It's me going back

558
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Speaker 5: and reading Hunt for Red October. Now, that's a time

559
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Speaker 5: machine that's in nineteen eighty four, And so I do

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Speaker 5: I am cognizant of that.

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Speaker 2: You think Tom Clancy is the biggest inspiration you had,

562
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Speaker 2: Who would you say, as a writer for what you're doing,

563
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Speaker 2: if you had to pick one author would be the biggest?

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Speaker 5: Pick one because I read so many growing up, and

565
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Speaker 5: they're all part of my foundation. So it's certainly Clancy.

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Speaker 5: It's David Morel, It's Nelson's Mill. It's A. J. Quinnell.

567
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 5: It's JC Pollock, it's Mark Old and it's Louis Lamore.

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Speaker 5: It's Jonny Caray, It's Ian Fleming, it's Robert Ludlamit's all

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Speaker 5: of those masters that I from the eighties all the

570
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Speaker 5: way through the nineties and continue to read today. David Morrell,

571
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Speaker 5: who created Rambo in nineteen seventy two with First Blood,

572
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Speaker 5: kicked off this book tour with me in Phoenix just

573
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Speaker 5: a few days ago. Such an honor to be on

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Speaker 5: stage with him. And all of those guys were so

575
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Speaker 5: instrumental during those very formative time in my life. Let's

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Speaker 5: say for most of us age ten to twenty, and

577
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Speaker 5: during that time I am reading all those masters, and

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Speaker 5: they're really becoming my professors in the art of storytelling.

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Speaker 5: But back then I didn't look at it that way.

580
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Speaker 5: I just looked at it as escaping into the magic

581
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Speaker 5: of those pages. But it created this foundation that I

582
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Speaker 5: then coupled with the academic study of warfare and my

583
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Speaker 5: experiences downrange in Iraq and Afghanistan, so I can bring

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Speaker 5: the feelings and emotions behind certain events that I was

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Speaker 5: involved with.

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Speaker 2: All right, all right, Jack, Jack, you're a best selling author,

587
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Speaker 2: you're an America page, You're a fantastic guy. You're being

588
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Speaker 2: far too diplomatic and humble, though, so I want to

589
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Speaker 2: put you on the hot seat with three best war

590
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Speaker 2: movies of all time. Then you don't have to give

591
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Speaker 2: it your author number one, but the three best war

592
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Speaker 2: movies for you.

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Speaker 5: Are all right, band of Brothers, even though it's a series,

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Speaker 5: I think it, you know, keep that one to the side,

595
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Speaker 5: but it's a series. But that is certainly up there.

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Speaker 5: I was just actually, right before we came on here,

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Speaker 5: I had to wrap up a podcast with Charlie Sheen

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Speaker 5: and we were talking, Oh wow, Platune. Yeah, we're talking

599
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Speaker 5: about Platoon and his experience on set with Apocalypse Now

600
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Speaker 5: when he was like nine or ten years old with

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Speaker 5: his dad because my book is probably havev like nineteen

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Speaker 5: seventy eight, and so I we're talking about that and

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Speaker 5: his experiences on set with Marlon Brando and Dennis Hopper

604
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Speaker 5: and Robert Duval and just just a fascinating conversation with him.

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Speaker 5: So I would say band of Brothers. I would throw

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Speaker 5: a Platoon in there for sure. I love Uncommon Valor

607
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Speaker 5: for those who remember that one Apocalypse Now Longest Day,

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Speaker 5: those ones really stand out to me.

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Speaker 1: Last question for you, as we got a break here,

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Speaker 1: I've got one here who was a guy or gal

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Speaker 1: who has read your book that you were blown away?

612
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Speaker 1: Is a fan? Has there been somebody that you met,

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Speaker 1: and you just couldn't get over it, because, look, you

614
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Speaker 1: come from a background your busting your ass, you know,

615
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Speaker 1: doing what you do in the military before you end

616
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Speaker 1: up writing these books. Is there anybody that you were

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Speaker 1: just in disbelief was a reader or a big fan

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Speaker 1: of your work.

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Speaker 5: It's yeah. David Morrell, who created Rambo. I can't believe

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Speaker 5: that he's he actually gave me a blurb when that

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Speaker 5: blurb ends with I'm a fan. Just that one blew

622
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Speaker 5: me away because discovering him through Rambo First Blood Part two,

623
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Speaker 5: a novelization, which is a book based on a screenplay

624
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Speaker 5: in the Summer of Rambo in nineteen eighty five, then

625
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 5: going back and reading First Blood, then reading Brother for

626
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Speaker 5: the Rose, for Turning the Stone, League of Night and Fogg,

627
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Speaker 5: and then having him one of my heroes in the

628
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Speaker 5: literary realm read my books and be a fan. That's

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Speaker 5: a little crazy. And then Charlie Sheen he was a

630
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Speaker 5: fan of the books before before he even came on

631
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Speaker 5: the podcast, and that was a little bit crazy too,

632
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Speaker 5: having grown up watching him in these movies to include

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Speaker 5: Navy Seals.

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Speaker 1: No very cool.

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Speaker 2: Well, cry Havoc is the book. It's gonna be a

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Speaker 2: runaway bestseller. Get your copy today. Also check out I'm

637
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Speaker 2: Mid Series right now or Dark Wolf. Highly recommend it

638
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Speaker 2: to all of you. Our friend Jack Carr as always

639
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Speaker 2: congrats on all your success. Come back and hang out

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Speaker 2: with us anytime.

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Speaker 5: Oh man, Thank you guys so much. Love what you're doing.

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Speaker 5: Stay strong, it's important.

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Speaker 1: We'll do. Thank you. Clay Travis with the Clay and

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Speaker 1: Buck Show, wishing you and your family a very merry

645
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Speaker 1: Christmas and a happy New Year.

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Speaker 3: You're listening to the best of Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.

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Speaker 2: We'll start the noise here with Pam listens on k

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Speaker 2: E and I Up and Anchorage Alaska. I love our

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Speaker 2: Alaska contingent ce Se hit it.

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Speaker 8: Hey, Buck, If Clay is going to tease you about

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Speaker 8: your TUTSI roll dance and not expecting to see that,

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Speaker 8: you could always counter with, well, I'm sure the construction

653
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Speaker 8: workers weren't expecting to see you streak across your room

654
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 8: and offer the suggestion Coach Earth does sell men's bathrobes.

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Speaker 2: Clay, there are you?

656
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Speaker 1: Are you a rogue guy?

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Speaker 2: Our friend Jesse Kelly has been tweeting about how he's

658
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Speaker 2: become a robe guy now, and I feel like a

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Speaker 2: robe is more like a lifestyle, like it's for the spa.

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Speaker 2: If you start walking around your house in a robe.

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Speaker 1: Are you ever going to do anything? Yeah, the hotels

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Speaker 1: always have robes. No, I'm not a robe guy. I

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Speaker 1: don't think I've ever really kind of walked around in

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Speaker 1: a robe. Certainly, Yeah, I guess if you're at a

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Speaker 1: spa or something like that, maybe it makes sense. But

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Speaker 1: not a big time road guy. By the way, We've

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Speaker 1: got a good call. Chip and Brandon, Florida. We were

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Speaker 1: talking about culture, and I think we can have some

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Speaker 1: more fun with this when we come back because a

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Speaker 1: lot of these ring doorbell cameras. I get it, it's

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Speaker 1: a relatively new thing that we can always see. But

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Speaker 1: I would tie this in with what they call him

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Speaker 1: porch pirates, people who are constantly stealing the packages that

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Speaker 1: are delivered. Probably a lot of you out there in

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Speaker 1: neighborhoods have seen some of these videos. People say, hey,

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Speaker 1: do you know who this person is? They're waiting, they're

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Speaker 1: following the Amazon truck or the ups or whatever it is,

678
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Speaker 1: and they're grabbing things. This is a positive story. Chip

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Speaker 1: in Brandon, Florida tell us your story.

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Speaker 9: Yes, I've accidentally left my wallet in a Sam's Club

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Speaker 9: and somebody turned it in. It had four hundred dollars

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Speaker 9: cash in it, and when when I went down there

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Speaker 9: the next day, all the cash is in it. I

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Speaker 9: think a red state you have much better chance of

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Speaker 9: having people do the right thing than in a blue So.

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Speaker 1: This is great. You were just at a Sam's Club

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Speaker 1: store and you just accidentally forgot your wallet and somebody

688
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Speaker 1: turned it in and all the money was still in it. Correct,

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Speaker 1: that's awesome, Thank you. I do think red states tend

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Speaker 1: to have, as a general rule, better cultures than blue

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Speaker 1: states when it comes to and look, states is tough

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Speaker 1: because I just mentioned there, even whatever state you're in,

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Speaker 1: forty percent of people voted Trump. Even if you're in

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Speaker 1: a blue state, And even if you're in a red state,

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Speaker 1: around forty percent of people voted Kamala. So you're still

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Speaker 1: talking about in a group of ten people, there's a

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Speaker 1: huge substantial percentage that are going to agree with you

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Speaker 1: no matter what. But I do think the culture of uh,

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Speaker 1: look are you more likely.

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Speaker 2: It would be fascinating to see an experiment they used

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Speaker 2: to do things like this of a wallet with you know,

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Speaker 2: one hundred dollars bill peeking out of it, left on

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Speaker 2: a New York City subway and someone operating a lost

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Speaker 2: and found counter. You know, within eyesight, how many people,

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Speaker 2: how many people turn it in? How many people take

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Speaker 2: one hundred? It would be and it would vote.

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Speaker 1: It would be an interesting dynamic to then cross the

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Speaker 1: tab it. You know, Uh, how do they vote in elections?

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Speaker 1: Are they or are they not religious? What would the

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Speaker 1: percentages show? Who are the most likely to return, who

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Speaker 1: are the least likely? But again to your point, high

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Speaker 1: high trust societies, low trust societies,