1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Hello, tech sans, and welcome to the program that takes 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: you inside NRG Stadium. I'm Mark Van Damer tonight, soon 3 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: to be joined by the General John McClain. John Harris 4 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:11,239 Speaker 1: will be with us later. I know a lot of 5 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 1: you would love to be in here tonight, just walking 6 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: the halls, listening in finding out what's happening. Players leaving 7 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: for the mini camp to training camp break. But a 8 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: lot of guys are still gonna be around here, as 9 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien said yesterday, and what's going on with the 10 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: general manager situation. Look, I really don't know. I'm not 11 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: really behind those doors. If you've seen the musical Hamilton, 12 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: there's a song called the Room where It Happens. I'm 13 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: not in the room where it happens, okay, but I'm close. 14 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: I'm close to that room. And if you've seen an 15 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:43,919 Speaker 1: old TV show called mash which was a classic, one 16 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: of the greatest shows ever, especially the first three years. 17 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: The last part of it got bad. But anyway, there 18 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 1: was one episode where an army colonel or somebody is 19 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: doing a press conference and they're peppering him with questions 20 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:56,639 Speaker 1: on some sort of controversial thing, and he says this 21 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: is a press conference. The last thing I wanted to 22 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: was answer a bunch of questions. Well, the last thing 23 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: I wanted to answer a bunch of questions about the 24 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: GM situation, since I really don't know how it's going 25 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 1: to shake out. But clearly there is a situation here. 26 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:10,119 Speaker 1: And you've read the stories and heard the news about 27 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: tampering charges with the Patriots and all of that, and 28 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: there is a vacancy here. Of course. Well, let's bring 29 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: aboard the general John McClain from the Houston Chronicle and 30 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: shot from high top your perch from the Houston Chronicle building. 31 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: How do you see this situation? I had written two 32 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: days ago about what all could happen, and I could 33 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: get ugly because the Patriots do not want to lose Cassario. 34 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: He's too valuable to what Bilichick is doing. Bill's coaching 35 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: a defense. Now Siano backed down on him, and so 36 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,760 Speaker 1: he's lost like three or four different coaches from last year. 37 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: Nick Cassario is much more than a personnel man. He's 38 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: a coach too. He formed a quarterback in college. His 39 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: receiver was Josh McDaniels. And he's at practice every day. 40 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: Where's headphones during the game so he can hear what's 41 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: going on between the coaches in the booth, Belichick and 42 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: the other coordinators, and so he's involved in a lot 43 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: of things, and he's his right hand man, not just 44 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: as the fact of general manager. So they're putting up 45 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: a fight now. They're trying to contend that he's a 46 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 1: high level employ which classified high level in the NFL. 47 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: That means you have authority over personnel. He does not, 48 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: and he can't be classified as high level. And then 49 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 1: they're contending that the Texans would not give him full authority, 50 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: that Bill would control personnel. Well, that's not what they 51 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: put in the thing that they file. They said that 52 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: he would have total control over personnel, which you have 53 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 1: to get to be able to get a promotion and 54 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: move while you're under contract, but not on the game 55 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: day roster. That's not part of it. So Brian will 56 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 1: continue to control that. So when you file tampering charge, 57 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: and they had so many experience, so much experience of 58 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: having it filed against them, and they file some too, 59 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: and so what happens us they can work out an 60 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: agreement and you know they've asked for a number one 61 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: pick and the Texans are not going to give it. 62 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: But what the league would investigate ask for all electronic 63 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: information they asked for, that would be text messages, emails, 64 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 1: they'd want phone records. They'd want to talk to everybody involved, 65 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 1: including Caserio and his agent Bob Lamont. Now I can't 66 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 1: imagine Bob. He wouldn't have to give him, he's not 67 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: part of the NFL. But to avoid Dad, they could 68 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: always reach a settlement and say, my suggestion would be 69 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: to give up a third round pick because you could 70 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: have two compensatory threes next year for Karen Jackson and 71 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: Tyrn Matthew. But I'm guessing that Bob Kraft and Bill 72 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: Belichick they're going to go to the mat as far 73 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: as they can because they don't like losing on or 74 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: off the field. And Casario wants to come here. I'm taught. 75 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: You know, he loves O'Brien, he loves jack He's he's 76 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: been up there since two thousand and one. He's only 77 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 1: forty three, and he would like to have full authority. 78 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:11,119 Speaker 1: He's talked before forty nine Ers, Dolphins, He's turned down inquiries. 79 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: People been after this guy for several years now, and 80 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 1: the Patriots have always managed to hanging on to him, 81 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: and I can tell you this money would not stand 82 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: in the way. I mean, their family is willing to 83 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 1: pay him whatever it takes, even though they're playing Brian 84 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 1: Gaine and Rick Smith, because everybody thinks that he is 85 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 1: the guy, and I got to think it. Ultimately, the 86 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 1: Texans are going to get him. It's just a matter 87 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: of what price wouldn't be a number one pick and 88 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 1: how long it drags out, and if it, say it 89 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: went up to training camp, then what I would do 90 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: instead of trying to hire another general manager at a 91 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: weird time, I would keep the current team in place. 92 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: Jamie Roots, the president who heads all the administrative side. 93 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 1: He answers to Cal McNair. Chris Olsen, who does all 94 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: the contracts and oversees the cap. He's answered to the 95 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: general manager. He would answer to Cal McNair and then 96 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien. You know, when Brian Gaine made his personnel decisions, 97 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 1: he Bill signed off on it. So just let Bill 98 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: be over personnel and then let Jack Easter be be 99 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: over football operations. And everybody answers to Cal. He's here 100 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: every day, and that would do that during the season 101 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:27,919 Speaker 1: and see I work and any of you want to 102 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: start anew on a general manager's surgeon do when you 103 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 1: got a lot of time, Well, you still do have 104 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: a complete personnel department here. So there's that, John, A 105 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: couple of clarifications here. If you're an NFL team and 106 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: you want to talk to an employee. Now, it's different 107 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: when we're talking coaches versus front office people, right, because 108 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: coaches can be denied permission to interview position. Coaches can 109 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: be denied permission to interview for coordinator positions. It's not 110 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: that way you say in front office personnel land non 111 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: less you're classified as a high level employee, which they're 112 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: trying to say he is, and he clearly I ran 113 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: this two days ago. Says you have to have full 114 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 1: authority over personnel. We all know he does. Not Bill 115 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: Belichick does. And then I'm sure they're trying to look 116 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: for loopholes at his contract anything they can do. You 117 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: really want to keep a guy if he really wants 118 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: to go. Usually not usually not, but they're desperate because 119 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 1: he means so much to the organization. And you know, 120 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels was gone and Craft had him over to 121 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,919 Speaker 1: his house and they made him no tell him what 122 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: kind of offer, and so he backed out on the 123 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 1: coach job. And I don't know if I would want 124 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:43,159 Speaker 1: to have somebody who really wanted to be somewhere else, 125 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: But if I had a chance to get something for 126 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: him in the form of a draft choice, I do 127 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: everything I could to get it as well. Well everything 128 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: you just said about the tech ends, and if they're 129 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: unable to get a general manager that they like in 130 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 1: place in time, they can go along like this for 131 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: a while. That applies to the Patriots too, so they 132 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: might be willing to sing it out as long as possible, 133 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 1: even though he might not be fully engaged. And this 134 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 1: is a total interpretation and opinion as an employee, or 135 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: as engaged as you want, because it's somebody who might 136 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: have wanted to go. And I'm being very careful the 137 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: way I say it here. Well, I'm been told up 138 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: there that he wants to go. And the other key 139 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: is they have many awesome fort awesome fort he used 140 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: to be here. You knew his name came up in 141 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: the last search. Reportedly the reason that they would turn 142 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: the Texans down last year. If it's in, if your 143 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: season's going, you can turn down anybody on anything, and 144 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 1: they were in the playoffs, so the Texans didn't want 145 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: to wait to see if they went to another Super Bowl, 146 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: which they did, so they asked for him in Awesome 147 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: for it and they said no on boat. Now Amani 148 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: Awsinford's and drag their college scouting. Maybe they don't get Casserio, 149 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: they reach out to him again, or he could replace Casserio. 150 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: There's another guy there named Ziegler. I can't remember his 151 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: first name, but the speculation is one of them would 152 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: step up and replace him. And I think it's obvious 153 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: Texans won him. I believe Brian Game was going to 154 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: be fired regardless. And they interviewed the two candidates. Ray 155 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: Farmer and Martin Mayhew used to be general managers and 156 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: now they're in a holding pattern to see they could 157 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: expand the search to a guy, say like Scott Pioli 158 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: or Reggie McKenney both McKenzie, both former general managers, and 159 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: McKenzie interviewed here in two thousand and six. He did 160 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: who would be interested? But if it gets up to 161 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 1: camp and I don't know if the season means regular 162 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: season begins or when training camp begins, and no, and 163 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 1: you can turn down anybody on anybody. And so that's 164 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: why I think the current management structures should just be 165 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:47,439 Speaker 1: kept in place if they don't get Cassio. The way 166 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: you describe a possible investigation, it's interesting. It sounds so legal. 167 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: It sounds almost like you're getting the federal government involved, 168 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: but you're not. This is the National Football League. And 169 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,079 Speaker 1: you talked about text messages and phone calls possibly and 170 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 1: all of that. I remember the Flake gate. Didn't Brady 171 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: say his phone got smashed or something so he couldn't 172 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,959 Speaker 1: get the texts, but they changed phones or something, and 173 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: then yeah, it got destroyed because of course he was 174 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: going to destroy it. Remember, and I read this Kansas 175 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:15,959 Speaker 1: City lost to three and of five and and Andy 176 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: Reid and John Dorsey the GM at the time were five, 177 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: I believe seventy five and twenty five. And the league 178 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: said that, uh they totally cooperated and made the people 179 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: want they're gonna want to interview people as well. And 180 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: uh so if you don't cooperate like the Patriots, that's 181 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,319 Speaker 1: why he gets different penalties. What do we call this 182 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: nick Gate? Don complicated? If it's the Patriots, it's got 183 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: to have a gate. People around the NFL are getting 184 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: such a kick out of the Patriots accusing another team 185 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: of breaking the rules. I honestly don't know how it's proven. 186 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 1: I guess that's another conversation, because if if two people talk, 187 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: how can you prove that they were talking a tap 188 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: or something? They're staying up there. That when Jackie Easterby, 189 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: who was with them the last six years, went up 190 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,079 Speaker 1: to Craft's house for the ring ceremony last week, that 191 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: he was seen talking to Caserio, Well, of course they're 192 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: good friends. Why wouldn't he to me? What does that 193 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: prove to me? It would be more tell tale if 194 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: they did not talk. And we're all the other sides 195 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: of the run. It's like if you're having an affair 196 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 1: with somebody that you're not with them constantly. If you're 197 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: around each other, you know you're away from each other 198 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: site Oh my god. And they were seen by everybody talking, 199 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 1: and so unless somebody overheard it and say, hey, I 200 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 1: heard them talking about going to use but that's still circumstantially. 201 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: They could have been talking about the game that they're 202 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,599 Speaker 1: going to play. The Patriots are coming here, and no 203 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:52,439 Speaker 1: matter how this plays out, it's going to make that 204 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: game even better. The good thing about this is the 205 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: Texans only one one game against the Patriots. But the 206 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: good thing about battle Brady's not involved. He can't bring 207 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: them from behind. It's the last minute, that's true. But 208 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: you still maybe need to stop. I don't know. Maybe 209 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,319 Speaker 1: they're looking for the stop. That sounds more like it. 210 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: In this context, this is gonna be interesting. Okay, we 211 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: all agree, though the most important thing is football on 212 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: the field, and I can guarantee people this. At some point, 213 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,199 Speaker 1: the Texans will have this thing resolved and in late 214 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: July we will have training camp and the Texans will 215 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: embark on a season one way or another. And the 216 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: hay is in the barn. But the acquisitions, really, I mean, 217 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: you're gonna get some trickle down stuff after the OTA 218 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: Miniicamp period. You're gonna get some training camp acquisitions. You'll 219 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: probably get a mini little wave if any after the 220 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: fourth preseason game. Of course, a lot of cuts, but 221 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,439 Speaker 1: maybe some additions like you did last year, special teams 222 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:48,719 Speaker 1: guys in particular who did very well for you. But 223 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: here we go, John, and as we exit the OTA 224 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: Minicamp period, your biggest take on what you saw these 225 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: last few weeks, and what you're thinking football wise heading 226 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 1: into twenty how smooth and confident Deshaun Watson is going 227 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 1: through an entire offseason as a quarterback and not having 228 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,079 Speaker 1: to worry about it and rehab having that extra year 229 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 1: of experience, knowing that if he has a great season, 230 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: he's gonna make Carson Wins's contract look like tip money. 231 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 1: And I think that considering he had thirty one touchdowns 232 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: last year, twenty six passing. If it's amazing to me 233 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,959 Speaker 1: that you miss Fuller and QT for nineteen games, you 234 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: have problems in the offensive line, Lamar Miller misses two 235 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,719 Speaker 1: and a half, Deonte Foreman doesn't do anything, and he 236 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,319 Speaker 1: still had thirty one touchdowns. And here it's twenty five 237 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:44,079 Speaker 1: points a game, the most since two thousand. Collapsed long 238 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,439 Speaker 1: and he yes, and a broken rib, which everyone makes 239 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: a big deal. Oh he took the bus to Jacksonville. 240 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: It's not like he was fine after that game. I mean, 241 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:56,079 Speaker 1: you're still recovering for quite a while, and so I 242 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:00,559 Speaker 1: could see him accounting for forty touchdowns, especially some of those. 243 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 1: Just a little improvement up front, the receivers stay healthy 244 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: and and Deonta Foreman is probably the player that has 245 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:13,079 Speaker 1: impressed people the most in the offseason based on where 246 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:17,079 Speaker 1: he was last season, and it's it seems obvious he 247 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:20,559 Speaker 1: has really dedicated himself, probably for the first time, and 248 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 1: I think he's gonna have a good season. And there's 249 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: no telling what Watson can accomplish. And of course, all 250 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: you're looking at the new players, the rookies in the 251 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 1: offensive line at corner, the acquisitions like Sean Gibson and 252 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:39,199 Speaker 1: schlil A Die and uh Brian Brady, Brian Body Calhoun. 253 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: We only saw Bradley Roby on the field twice. Yeah, 254 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: And so all those new players, how do they mesh? 255 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: And I'm interested to see what kind of stamp Tim 256 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:55,719 Speaker 1: Kelly puts on the offense. He's been heavily involved at 257 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: everything with Bill O'Brien, and Bill's gonna call the place 258 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 1: till he deems Tim Kelly ready. As we know, it's 259 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 1: going to be a tough, tough schedule for the Texans, 260 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 1: much tougher and last year. But I like seeing Mark 261 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:14,719 Speaker 1: the new players, veterans and rookies, players going into their 262 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: second seasons, practice squad guys who've been around. How all 263 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: those guys are developing. I didn't need to see Water Hopkins, 264 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: So what I don't need to see but Ardrick McKinney 265 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: and Zach Cunningham and DJ Reader we know what they 266 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: can do. Brandon Dunn, who's the unsung hero up front? 267 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: And but you want to know what all the new 268 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: players meet bring because the rosters usually turned over anyway. Okay, 269 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: let's continue to discuss some offseason stuff. We'll continue with 270 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: the General John McClain and then get John Harrison here 271 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: for the Passinger fair and stuff. The news that has 272 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: broken today about how this stuff is going to be 273 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: reviewed under the new rules, so let's talk about it 274 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: here on Texans All Access. Mark Vandermayer, John McClean with 275 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: you here. I'm Texans All Access from the Hunday Texans 276 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 1: Radio studio. We talked a bunch about the GM situation 277 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: in the first segment. Not much to add there at 278 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: this point, so let's get back into some football talk. 279 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: And yesterday, John, what did you think of the Jordan's show. 280 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: They brought up Jordan Thomas Jordan Nakens to the podium yesterday. 281 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: I called them Air Jordans. Well, they liked thunder and lightning. 282 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: Thunder would be Jordan Thomas lightning would be Jordan Nakins. 283 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: They're funny and I thought it was great they brought 284 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: him in together. Both of those guys are making big improvement, 285 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: as most players should going into the first and second season. 286 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: I think tight Ends in really good hands and golly wearing. 287 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: I think it'll take him a little time. And Darren 288 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: Fells is man a lot to those young guys because 289 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: Darren's thirty two years old. He's been around. He's been 290 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: like an extra coach for them. If you think about Hopkins, 291 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: Fuller QT. If they're all playing, and they will be 292 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: if they're healthy, what do you do? How do you 293 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: get the ball to the tight ends if you want 294 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: to run it? Because Bill O'Brien's been I think since 295 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: Bill in his first five years has averaged in the 296 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 1: top five and number of carries every year. So they 297 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: want to run the ball. But it's a good thing 298 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: to have. It's like going into a buffet and having 299 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: so many different things to pick from. It's hard to 300 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: decide which one to go first and second and third? 301 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: All right? Can you and I bet lunch share that. 302 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: I think that, And look I don't, I'm not gonna 303 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: stand it up. Bridge four tight ends. Again, it's the 304 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: fourth tight ends. I'm thinking, all right, you say four, 305 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 1: I say three, But I still have I need a 306 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: spot for Glaspia. And he's kind of like this full back, 307 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: h back, running back, special teams guy. How much emphasis 308 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: they put on special I think a lot of it's 309 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: gonna depend on how good he can be on special 310 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: teams in the preseason, and then they just have a 311 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: slot for him. You're a special teams guy. Yeah, you 312 00:16:57,760 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: can play some running back and maybe some h back, 313 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: but this is your spot. And I think either any 314 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 1: which way he makes the team, that's gonna be his 315 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: main focus. They're big on job descriptions, and you could 316 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: tell just talking to the A. J. Moore's of the 317 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: world and Buddy House of the world. Those guys know 318 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 1: their job description. They are there for special teams and yeah, 319 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: great if I get some action on the field in 320 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: another way, but I'm here for fourth down opportunities. How 321 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 1: often would you play four tight ends? Right? Not much? 322 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: But you know what, sometimes injuries take care of that too. Well, 323 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: that could, but you can't predict them. You know they're 324 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: gonna have him, and yes, if one of the tight 325 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 1: ends got hurt, Darren Fell is gonna make this team. 326 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: But the first three young guys, they ain't going anywhere. 327 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what's a brutal to We got a 328 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: bet on lunch on this. Yeah, I guess not down 329 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:48,880 Speaker 1: the hall at not all that healthy stuff something good. Huh, 330 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 1: that's good stuff, good in a different way. Comfort food 331 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: which I might need some I usually do at some point, 332 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,719 Speaker 1: doesn't count. They'd have to keep four times all right. 333 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: That that would be a loophole for me. Okay, gotcha. 334 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 1: A lot of people say, well, cut Joe Webb, but 335 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: Brian loves Joe Webb. Oh wait, that's your third strint 336 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: quarterback too, and and plus Red seely loves Joe Webb. Yeah, 337 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: you know there are guys here because what they do 338 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 1: on special teams. You mentioned how and more and then 339 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 1: Johnson Matamosi. He's here strictly for one reason. I believe 340 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: Colin Golesmia will replace Brian Peters. Okay, he'll be that guy. 341 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: I think he'll be that because Peters really didn't play 342 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 1: much at linebacker at all. They didn't bring back and 343 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 1: he was a good special teams player, and I think 344 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: that's one reason they got Glasbie and you couldn't cut 345 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 1: him anyway because there'd be an aggy revolt. That's true. 346 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: Good point. You don't want that happening. I said to 347 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 1: John Harris last night. It's funny with the receivers because 348 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 1: if if you only had one of the three Hopkins, 349 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: Qt and Fuller, you'd still look at this scroup the 350 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: rest of them, and say, there's some intriguing possibilities here. 351 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: You know, when you look at some of the undrafted 352 00:18:57,359 --> 00:18:59,919 Speaker 1: guys coming in. We heard Floyd Allen's great story yesterday 353 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: from the podium. You look at Johnny Dixon from Ohio State. 354 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: I mean, there are a bunch of guys who are 355 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 1: interesting to me. Tyran Johnson, I really like him as well, 356 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,160 Speaker 1: and I think there's some other guys who are opening 357 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: some eyes. Jester Wea is coming back. Obviously Smith's got 358 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: the inside track. Well I know that, but I already 359 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: count him like not made the team necessarily, but you know, 360 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:21,880 Speaker 1: obviously he's got the inside track because he played last 361 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 1: year's got It made so Vince other guys Peace squad. 362 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: But we didn't think at this time last year Vincent Smith, 363 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: someone drafted rookie from some college called Limestone, had a 364 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 1: prayer making the team, and he did. I think they 365 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 1: got a lot of good guys, and I should shut 366 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:44,400 Speaker 1: up because like you want to get them on the practice. Yeah, 367 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: everybody around the NFL here in this show, they're gonna go, Yeah, 368 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: we're gonna look at Johnson and Dixon. Yeah, well they'll 369 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:52,159 Speaker 1: see him in the preseason game. So I think I 370 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 1: think they scout that footage this justin they might take 371 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: a hard look at that john secondary. What are your 372 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: thoughts on it? As they break out of OTA's and miniicap, 373 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 1: I asked O Brian about Aaron Colvin there. To me, 374 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: there's more pressure on any him than any defensive back 375 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,439 Speaker 1: because he played really well at Jacksonville and he did 376 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: not hear last year. Injury played a role in him. 377 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: They got to have a slot corner. Brand Boddy Calhoun, 378 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 1: a slot corner and can also play safety, was cut 379 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 1: by the Browns, so to me, and I don't know, 380 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: Lonnie Johnson's not gonna play inside, He's an outside corner. 381 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: Robie was rehabbing a lotty came in at the end 382 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: one year ten million. You're gonna get the best teas guy, 383 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 1: like with Tyrn Matthew trying to get a big contract, 384 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 1: either here or somewhere else. The thing about to shun 385 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:45,360 Speaker 1: Gibson when I started seeing what he did against tight ends. 386 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: After you guys got beaten up bad by tight ends 387 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 1: like Gronkowski and Ertz, and he had a good game 388 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 1: against both those guys. I think safety's in really good hands. 389 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 1: Getting a diet to come in here and replace Andrea 390 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: al to me was a coup start every game for 391 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 1: the Chargers the last two years. Lonnie Johnson's second round pig. 392 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 1: He needs to develop. You know, right now, you got Robie, 393 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 1: j Joe and Aaron covin the first three. I think 394 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 1: corner is gonna be a tough cut. I think you 395 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 1: got your first three safeties, and the corner they're not 396 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 1: as clearly defined as those first three safeties are. That's 397 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,399 Speaker 1: gonna be an interesting camp with those guys getting the 398 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: pads on how they play the run, obviously covering these 399 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: guys that we just talked about in the receiver position group. 400 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: That's gonna be really fun to watch them develop. All right, 401 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:38,880 Speaker 1: So other stuff going on around the National Football League. 402 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 1: Andrew Luck did not practice lately with a strained calf. 403 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 1: Shouldn't he take the year off. I think yes, he 404 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 1: probably ought to take a year off, and look how 405 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: Grady would play in two twenty based on the way 406 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 1: he played last year taking off two thousand and seventeen. 407 00:21:56,359 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: So I think that's wise. You know, there's other than throwing. 408 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: I mean, they know he's gonna be good this time 409 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: last year, was he even doing anything. Now he's throwing 410 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 1: the nerf ball, and so they didn't need him. It's 411 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 1: gonna be a two, well at three team race. Tennessee's 412 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 1: been nineteen seventy three years in a row, and maybe 413 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: Nick falls helps Jacksonville. This division is gonna be so good, 414 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: so competitive, so strong, and it's gonna be hard for 415 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 1: the winner. And I don't care if it's the Texans 416 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: of the Colts, it's gonna be tough. Do you think 417 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: that Jacksonville isn't a bit of trouble if you will, 418 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: based on some of the behavior of the players during 419 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: this offseason period, just like last offseason period. They just 420 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 1: they got a team of personalities, especially on defense. And 421 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: one of the reasons they paid Nick Foles so much 422 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: money is because he's such a great leader. But it 423 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: doesn't happen overnight. They're open that he'll have some influence. 424 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: He's not going to influence Jalen Ramsey, who wants to 425 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 1: be the first twenty million cornerback and didn't work out 426 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: there an off season, worked out at home in Nashville 427 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 1: at his daddy's place. And they their biggest deal to me, 428 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,679 Speaker 1: they got to stay healthy and offensive line, they got 429 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 1: to make sure they developed receivers, but they got to 430 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 1: get Leonard for Nett's head. Screwed on right, because if 431 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: they don't, they let t Y Hilton go. TJ TJ 432 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 1: or t Y yelled atj TJ yelled and go. And yeah, 433 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: they wish t Y Hilton was gone from Indie, but 434 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 1: for Nett. Without for Nett, they don't have a running game. 435 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: And that's a big question, Mark, John, what's going on 436 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 1: to the Chronicle? Well, we've got stories every day, We've 437 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,880 Speaker 1: got podcasts up. I'm about to go do a Facebook 438 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 1: live h on. Uh, let's see tomorrow. I've got We've 439 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: got podcast posted and I'm not sure I'm keeping up 440 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 1: with the little story going on between the Texans and 441 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 1: the Patriots. That little story. Okay, John, thanks a lot, 442 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: Thank you very much, Mark Evil great weekend. That's it 443 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: from the General. John McClean from the Houston Chronicle. All right, now, 444 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 1: let's sink our teeth into the way past interference is 445 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,919 Speaker 1: going to be reviewed. This is cool stuff, late breaking stuff. 446 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 1: Last day or two. John Harris and I digest that 447 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 1: little tiny bit of cults news and some other stuff 448 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: as well coming up on Texans Radio. Mark Vandermer joined 449 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: now by John Harris in the Hunday Texans Radio studio. 450 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: As we're talking about a bunch of stuff, I know, 451 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:29,680 Speaker 1: the GM situation is on everyone's mind. What's happening. What's 452 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: happening with this reported story about tampering or whatever else. Look, 453 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: we went over it with the General. Don't really have 454 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:41,719 Speaker 1: anything else to add. Obviously, We're waiting with great interest 455 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: as everyone is, to see what's going to happen here, 456 00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: and we'll let you know as soon as we know. 457 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 1: It's pretty much the situation right there. As I know 458 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 1: this broke before you went on the air last night, 459 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: we talked about the end of OTAs in Mini camp 460 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 1: and the beginning of the long break, which doesn't look 461 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: like it's gonna be much of a break for many 462 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: people in the front office. For at least a portion 463 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: of it. We'll see how it plays out. Though. Yeah, listen, 464 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 1: there's not anything that anybody is doing right now. Is 465 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: speculation trying to read the tea leaves because we really 466 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,400 Speaker 1: don't know, and you can kind of try and read 467 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,400 Speaker 1: between the lines, but that doesn't get to you anywhere either, 468 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 1: because there's not a line. There's not a lot of 469 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 1: lines to read. There are many fascinating angles, fascinating angles 470 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 1: this whole thing, but we're not gonna get into them here. 471 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: It's not really for this kind of show. We talk 472 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 1: football here, and actually there's football news today around the league. 473 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 1: This really is interesting, as we've been talking about it 474 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 1: a lot this offseason. It's the pass interference rule. And 475 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: what will they do inside of two minutes to go 476 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 1: in the first half, two minutes to go in the game. 477 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,360 Speaker 1: Would they have challenge flags for only that particular penalty 478 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 1: a call or non call? Would they have it be 479 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:58,160 Speaker 1: ruled upstairs? And Johnny, this wrinkle is really interesting. It'll 480 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: be from upstairs, but it'll be real time replay, so 481 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 1: they will not have a lot of time to look 482 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: things over. I mean, the way I read it was 483 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: it's a real time, full speed replay. If they see 484 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 1: something egregious, they can stop the game and have a look. 485 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,439 Speaker 1: If they don't, they let it go. Obviously, what happened 486 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: in the Saints Rams game was egregious egos, and that 487 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 1: I think is the key word. Yeah, it's got to 488 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 1: be egregious, as I would have stopped the game on 489 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 1: that one, right, I think so. I know a lot 490 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: of people have talked about that Rams the Rams Patriots 491 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl. The play before Stefan Gilmore has 492 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: the interception, you can see him the replay that Gilmore 493 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 1: has got one of Cook's hands or he's got the 494 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 1: arm or whatever it is. That to me is not egregious. 495 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: I do not think that would have fit into the category. Now, 496 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 1: I can't remember the timing of the game. I don't 497 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: think that was inside two minutes. I don't believe so 498 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: that would have had to have come from McVeagh. A 499 00:26:57,840 --> 00:26:59,880 Speaker 1: flag that would have had to come from a challenge flag, 500 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,159 Speaker 1: challenge flag, not a penalty flag. That would have been 501 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 1: a challenge. Wait a minute, a turnover, it's automatically reviewed. Boom. 502 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,479 Speaker 1: It was the play before he throws it the cooks 503 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 1: and Cooks can't hang on is that he Gilmore had 504 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 1: one of his inside arms. But the point being that 505 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: wasn't egregious to me. The egregious that that's the part 506 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: of this is the egregious part, because there I don't 507 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 1: I don't think people truly understand how much contact there 508 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:35,640 Speaker 1: is on nearly every throw. Yeah, every pass, ask DeAndre Hopkins. 509 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: Oh gosh, hop creates some of it himself. But no, 510 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,880 Speaker 1: he almost he almost invites that contact. He almost it's 511 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: like playing basketball. He likes to know where that guy is. 512 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:48,680 Speaker 1: You know, where you're kind of leading it on a 513 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: guy's boxing out, he's creating space. Yeah, you're right. He'd 514 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: rather almost no where he is, right not, because then 515 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 1: he knows where to go with it, where his body 516 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 1: needs to be. All that, So he appreciates cut. There's 517 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 1: so much contact on every play. And I go back 518 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: to you and I Julian Edelman was miked up for 519 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: the playoff game against the Texans in twenty sixteen. Twenty sixteen. 520 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 1: I think it was yeah, yeah, the one up there 521 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 1: at Gillette and he was miked up, and so was 522 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 1: Bill and so Bill. At one point there's a there's 523 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,080 Speaker 1: a ball thrown to Edelman down the field, Brady got 524 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:25,919 Speaker 1: into pocket. Remember that one he got into pocket. Then 525 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: he was like he had a lot of time because 526 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,880 Speaker 1: they're only Russian three. And then he goes, he waves 527 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 1: and he throws the ball to Edelman. He threw it short, 528 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 1: so Edelman pushes back on Kareem makes the catch right, 529 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: so miked up has he has uh. He's talking to 530 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,239 Speaker 1: the official and the officials like hey. He tells ed him. 531 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: He's like, look, you can't push off like that. That 532 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 1: was really close, and Edelman says back to him, he goes, 533 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: but he made contact with me first. I was just 534 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 1: trying to disengage from the contact. And so I thought 535 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 1: it was a really interesting discussion because it really shows 536 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 1: that then pass interference is a whole lot more difficulty, 537 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 1: especially happening in real time. But then to look at 538 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: it on replay. Man to me, it's got to be egregious. 539 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: It's got I mean, the Rams play is egregious. The 540 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 1: Ramps Saints play is an egregious play, an egregious act. 541 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 1: It should be penalized as such that one's easy to see. 542 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: Do you like this way of doing it, this way 543 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 1: of having it come from upstairs in a final time, 544 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: replay in the final two minutes. I do too. Yeah, 545 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 1: I've thought two I've thought about this a lot. I thought, man, 546 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: have it challenge flags only all the way through. I 547 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: would actually be okay with this, but that doesn't solve 548 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: the hail Mary situation, where you'd always have a challenge flag. 549 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: I mean, you just automatically throw it in a hail 550 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: Mary situation, whether you get it or whether they don't 551 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 1: get whatever, whatever, the outcome is one side or the 552 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: other is throwing a challenge flag on a hail Mary play. 553 00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 1: We feel like our receiver was interfered with, or we 554 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 1: feel like the receiver interfered with our guys in order 555 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 1: to make that catch. This way, the guys upstairs could say, 556 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 1: hail marytime, we're good, we're not calling anything, or unless 557 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: somebody's tackled or strangled or whatever. So I do kind 558 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 1: of like this. I think it. Nothing's gonna be perfect. 559 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,480 Speaker 1: It's better than not having any recourse for a pass 560 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 1: interference penalty, a call or non call. I do like 561 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 1: this part of it. I like the fact that it's 562 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 1: at least consistent. Coaches, you throw your flags in the 563 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: first twenty eight minutes of the half, right these final 564 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: two minutes of the half. We'll send it upstairs. You 565 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: don't have to worry about that. I think coaches, in 566 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,719 Speaker 1: my estimation, I would think coaches would applaud that because 567 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: that is something that just gets taken off of their 568 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 1: plate from a decision standpoint. So you get to two minutes, 569 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 1: no more, no more throwing the flag, put the flag away. 570 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: We'll handle that. We'll handle that upstairs. Now to review. 571 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 1: You can challenge a non call you felt like it 572 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 1: have been called. This is outside of two minutes you 573 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 1: felt like it should have been called. You could throw 574 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 1: a flag. This is very important. You know. I originally thought, well, 575 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 1: why not just make it for a called penalty. This 576 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,040 Speaker 1: is very important because otherwise the officials would be throwing 577 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,360 Speaker 1: flags left and right and leaving it up to the 578 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 1: coaches to throw their challenge flag to determine whether the 579 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: call was accurate or not. They'd rather air on the 580 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 1: side of making the call. It's kind of like the 581 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: way they air on the side of not blowing the 582 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: whistle till you play through it on a fumble situation, 583 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: and then you can always go back because it's an 584 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: automatic review, and give the ball back to whoever fumbled 585 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 1: it similar situation in that now the officials can just say, look, 586 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna make the call if I think something bad happened. 587 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 1: If not, we're gonna let it go. And the coaches 588 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 1: can throw the flag anyway if they want, so there 589 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 1: is some recourse there for the coaches and the officials 590 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 1: feel safer, if you will, lack of a better word, 591 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 1: safer in officiating the game this way. I kind of 592 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 1: like it. I think it's an improvement to the game. 593 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: I know it makes the game longer, regardless because now 594 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 1: past interference penalties are in play for a review. But 595 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 1: I think we all agree that it's good thing, not 596 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 1: a bad thing overall. Well, the thinking about how it is, 597 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: and I don't know the studies on this, it would 598 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 1: be kind of interesting to go back and look, you 599 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 1: have the ability to throw two challenge flags, right, so 600 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: let's say, if you're right, instead of throwing it on 601 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 1: a potential fumble, potential two feet in bounds, right, you 602 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 1: throw it on the fumble, and you throw it on 603 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: a potential interference call. I don't think it adds an 604 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 1: excessive amount back to the game, to be honest, because 605 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 1: you're gonna throw your two challenge flags. It's just maybe 606 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 1: now you maybe you throw them both on interference. Who knows, 607 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 1: but you just you still have those two. They're not 608 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 1: increasing the number of challenge flags, right, They're not giving 609 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 1: you a red one for potential turnovers and a green 610 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 1: one for pass interferes. It's all one red flag, and 611 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 1: you can throw it for those things. So I don't 612 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 1: know that it's going to extend the game exceedingly now 613 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 1: what it might do in under two minutes. It might 614 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 1: because now you're looking at interference whereas you wouldn't be before, 615 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: So you might throw that in two minutes. But I 616 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 1: think I think the only to me the sticky part 617 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 1: now with it. Obviously, we'll have to see all plays out. 618 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 1: I'm curious to see how how Bill and the rest 619 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 1: of the NFL coaches will play this during preseason and 620 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: if that gives them any idea of how it'll be 621 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 1: called in the regular season. Like the first time there's 622 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: a questionable interference, well they just go ahead and challenge 623 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: it and see how how the replay to kind of 624 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 1: get a feel for it. You know, he has things 625 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 1: where Okay, the officials are letting us get away with 626 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,240 Speaker 1: it today. They're not gonna let us get away with 627 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 1: it with another officiating crew man. They're throwing everything, so 628 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know. It's gonna be interesting in 629 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 1: the preseason if you want to throw the flag a 630 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 1: little bit more, the child flag a little bit more, 631 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 1: just to kind of get a feel for that whole 632 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,520 Speaker 1: process and what they're actually looking for in the interference 633 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: other stuff around the league. The cults have waived Chunky Clements, 634 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 1: remember him, Yes, he was here, He was here, so 635 00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: the Chunky Clements arrow was short. But how could you 636 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 1: forget a name like Chunky Chunky Clements waved by the cults. Yeah, 637 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 1: well he didn't. He didn't do it on here um unfortunately. 638 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 1: But I mean, just the greatest name. And look, you 639 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 1: gotta be defensive lineman or offensive lineman with a name 640 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,880 Speaker 1: like Chunky. Yeah you' I'm playing wide receiver though. You 641 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 1: can't play cornerback with a name like Chunky. You can't 642 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 1: be a slot receiver and your name is Chunky. No, 643 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 1: look at Chunky getting it out of his break. That's 644 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 1: that's not gonna happen. You could almost be like a 645 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 1: running back, a beloved big guy like Ironhead, Haywards. Yeah, 646 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 1: one of those. That's totally cool. Yeah, but you're not 647 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 1: gonna be a hey look at scat back chunky. No, 648 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 1: that doesn't work. I mean, are you almost destined? Well, 649 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 1: I guess that when he was born it could be 650 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: a nickname. Or when he was born he was kind 651 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 1: of a big baby and the mom said chunky. Maybe so, 652 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,400 Speaker 1: maybe so, or maybe there are guys that run four 653 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 1: three and they like the little chunky candy bars. Maybe 654 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 1: they were looking for a souper endorsement at one point 655 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 1: in his life. Oh, Donovan McNabb, there you go. Donovan's 656 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 1: mother got a lot of money on that other stuff 657 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:55,880 Speaker 1: from around the league. And I know that wasn't much 658 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 1: of a story there. But this is one where I 659 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 1: read the headline and I to say, really because and 660 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,280 Speaker 1: this is from Pro Football Talk. Here's the headline, Emmanuel 661 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:11,320 Speaker 1: Sanders Colin nobody can match how Antonio Brown works. Well, 662 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 1: let me just put it out there. Look, I'm not 663 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: around the guy every day, but I do know that 664 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,840 Speaker 1: he did not work as much as others late in 665 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,240 Speaker 1: the season for the organization from which he earned a paycheck. 666 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,439 Speaker 1: I know that for a fact. Yeah, because he didn't 667 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,839 Speaker 1: show up and he was healthy. He didn't show well, 668 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 1: he didn't show up for practice, and then when he 669 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 1: tried to show up for the game, they said no, no, no. 670 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 1: I think what Emmanuel Sanders is saying, and I this, 671 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 1: this I know about Antonio Brown is true. Like he'll 672 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 1: catch a thousand balts from a juge machine after practice, 673 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,879 Speaker 1: Like he'll do those things. I know. I'm just being 674 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 1: putting in the work. I mean, that's all well and good, 675 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 1: Like you do all this work, you know, around the office, 676 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 1: and that's great, but then all of a sudden, you 677 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,359 Speaker 1: got to give a big presentation and you don't show 678 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:56,920 Speaker 1: up for the three days of prep and then you 679 00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 1: walk in and it's like no, no, no, we're good. 680 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: We got this or three other people part ready to go, 681 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,600 Speaker 1: Like that's the most important thing is show up for 682 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,080 Speaker 1: a game. Like what are you? What are you doing? 683 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 1: You didn't even showup for practice to get ready for 684 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,239 Speaker 1: the game. So that to me is for all the 685 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 1: hard work you do, you didn't show up for a game. 686 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 1: Forget it, forget it. So, yeah, he can work hard, 687 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 1: and he does work hard. There's no doubt he puts 688 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 1: in the time to be a really good receiver and 689 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,840 Speaker 1: he has, but when you don't show up for a 690 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,879 Speaker 1: game because of what he was dealing with in air 691 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,920 Speaker 1: quotes in Pittsburgh, forget it, John, I began the show 692 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 1: with the most important stuff is still what goes on 693 00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 1: on the field. I mean, clearly the Texans need and 694 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,839 Speaker 1: we'll get a general manager. Yeah, and this situation will 695 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,919 Speaker 1: resolve itself, and we don't know exactly how, but it will. 696 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 1: This two shall pass, yes, And I just feel like 697 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 1: this whole feeling of getting into this break here with optimism. 698 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 1: You know, I am an optimistic person. I get it, 699 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,440 Speaker 1: but I really feel like Bill O'Brien is not blowing 700 00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 1: smoke when he says the team got better. Now better 701 00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 1: is good? How much better? We don't know. And I 702 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 1: bet they feel like they're getting better in India, and 703 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 1: they're getting better in Nashville, and they're getting better in 704 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,279 Speaker 1: Jacksonville and everywhere else. Of all the teams are gonna 705 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 1: play this year, but it's a race and this is 706 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,360 Speaker 1: part of it. And I think they feel like they 707 00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 1: had a pretty productive offseason. We talked about the key 708 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,320 Speaker 1: elements here healthy Watson throughout the entire offseason because you 709 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,080 Speaker 1: know this offense has to come out clicking. Yes, offensive, Lie, 710 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 1: I got a lot of work together. We'll see how 711 00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,239 Speaker 1: that goes, because we don't even know how they're gonna 712 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:32,200 Speaker 1: line up right some incomplete thoughts on the defensive side 713 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,759 Speaker 1: of the ball secondary, you know, without everybody out there 714 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,840 Speaker 1: and a little bit of mixing and matching around, we 715 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 1: don't really know how that's gonna go. But we do 716 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 1: know they have a lot of bodies, a lot of options, 717 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,719 Speaker 1: a lot of people to choose from there. We still 718 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,759 Speaker 1: don't know exactly what's gonna happen with Clowney, but and 719 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,000 Speaker 1: I hate to say assume, but I'm just hoping he's 720 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 1: around opening day and has enough time to ramp up 721 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,360 Speaker 1: and be as as much of himself as he can 722 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 1: possibly be. Right, But am I missing anything? That's basically 723 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,360 Speaker 1: the situation right there. You do have some question marks, 724 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,200 Speaker 1: but you got number four. It looks like you're gonna 725 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:05,840 Speaker 1: have a heck of an offense. I think they'll be 726 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,359 Speaker 1: better on the offensive lot. I don't know what that means, 727 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,719 Speaker 1: but we'll find out together. What am I missing here? Well, 728 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 1: I don't know that you're you're missing a whole lot, 729 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,320 Speaker 1: to be honest, I mean, those are the reasons to 730 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,359 Speaker 1: feel excited. And I don't want to be Debbie down 731 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:24,960 Speaker 1: or right on the trade or anything. You don't we 732 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:26,840 Speaker 1: don't know how the offensive line, but I think you 733 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,120 Speaker 1: mentioned that. I think you put the caveat around it. Look, 734 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,120 Speaker 1: we don't even know where everybody's lining up, but we 735 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,880 Speaker 1: do know that there are capable There are capable bodies. 736 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 1: There are guys that have NFL starts that may not 737 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:40,839 Speaker 1: be in the in the first five when they walk 738 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,200 Speaker 1: out there for turning camp day number one, there may 739 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:47,399 Speaker 1: not be guys out there potentially. So you'll look where 740 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,120 Speaker 1: where's Matt Clill in his development, in his rehab and 741 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:51,480 Speaker 1: all that is here. That's one of the biggest in 742 00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,320 Speaker 1: the camp. That's one of the biggest questions to answer 743 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,439 Speaker 1: heading into camp. And I'm sure the coaches might feel 744 00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,239 Speaker 1: the same way. Yeah, and what does he have left 745 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,719 Speaker 1: in the tank? Yeah, so you've got that going on. 746 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 1: Lonnie Johnson, we did't see him last few OTAs because 747 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,520 Speaker 1: he's dealing was something. We don't know exactly what it was. 748 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,400 Speaker 1: When he's dealing with something, so he wasn't able to practice. 749 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,319 Speaker 1: Bradley Roby didn't show up on the field until Mini 750 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,000 Speaker 1: camp because he had been banged up or had something 751 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,960 Speaker 1: going on, so we didn't see him. So are we 752 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,840 Speaker 1: gonna be able to see those two guys on the 753 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,400 Speaker 1: field together during training camp? How does that look when 754 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,200 Speaker 1: they're on the field together? What does Jermaine Kelly do? 755 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,040 Speaker 1: So to me, I still think we go into the 756 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:33,839 Speaker 1: into training camp with questions about how's the offensive line 757 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:35,560 Speaker 1: is gonna come together? Not so much as the offensive 758 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,480 Speaker 1: line better, because I do think when you add a 759 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,000 Speaker 1: first rounder and you add a second round or to 760 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,439 Speaker 1: your offensive line, you should be better. How much better 761 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:44,600 Speaker 1: that obviously remains to be saying, and how long is 762 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,839 Speaker 1: it gonna take to really reap the benefits of whatever 763 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,160 Speaker 1: those guys can pray? Right? The flip side of that 764 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,000 Speaker 1: is the secondary. We ask all those questions, how much 765 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:53,759 Speaker 1: better is the secondary gonna be? Look, there's no more 766 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,920 Speaker 1: Kareem Jackson, there's no more Tyrann Matthew. But there is 767 00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,360 Speaker 1: that Sean Gibson, there's me and Body Calhoun, there's Bradley Roby, 768 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,359 Speaker 1: there's Lonnie Johnson, there's even Jamae Kelly. So there's been 769 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:06,200 Speaker 1: a lot of change. So how does all that factor 770 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,919 Speaker 1: in with what you already had back there with Justin 771 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,640 Speaker 1: Ree and Joathan Joseph. So I don't know that any 772 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:15,000 Speaker 1: of those questions got answered at those two key spots 773 00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,520 Speaker 1: for a few of the reasons. We just noted, HiT's 774 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,120 Speaker 1: the line, you don't hit anybody, right, And then the 775 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:23,200 Speaker 1: secondary Lonnie and Bradley were not healthy throughout the whole thing. 776 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:25,719 Speaker 1: So once we get to training camp, can they be 777 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,839 Speaker 1: healthy and how does that look once we get there. 778 00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,520 Speaker 1: I think the practices against the Packers are invaluable, The 779 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:33,879 Speaker 1: practices against the Lions are going to be invaluable. They're 780 00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:38,040 Speaker 1: just huge, I think for those particular units to see 781 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,160 Speaker 1: how far those groups have come and how far they 782 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,719 Speaker 1: need to go. By Week one against the Saints, the 783 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,520 Speaker 1: offensive line, they all got a lot of good work 784 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,759 Speaker 1: as far as ota context goes, because we all know 785 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:50,959 Speaker 1: they're not in pads and everything we always talk about 786 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:52,400 Speaker 1: it's more of a passing camp. But at least they 787 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:56,160 Speaker 1: were together. Secondary. You mentioned some of the players that 788 00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,719 Speaker 1: weren't able to participate at different times or whatever, and 789 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,120 Speaker 1: guys that you want to seek contributions from this year. 790 00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,200 Speaker 1: So we don't know, but the good news is well, mate, 791 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:05,600 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's good news, but they've got 792 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:08,440 Speaker 1: a short ramp to get ready for those those Packers practices. 793 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,800 Speaker 1: You're going up against Aaron Rodgers and then Matthew Stafford. 794 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,919 Speaker 1: That's greats one and two of the preseason, right, great, Yeah, 795 00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,799 Speaker 1: that's fantastic. That's the best news out out of all 796 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,640 Speaker 1: this is the fact that you face those two gun 797 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,640 Speaker 1: slingers right away. You get you get them right away, 798 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,440 Speaker 1: and so you face DeVante Adams, a receiver that's known 799 00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:34,160 Speaker 1: for his releases. I mean my eyes, I mean, well, 800 00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:35,879 Speaker 1: you know how I am it practice, my eyes will 801 00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,239 Speaker 1: be everywhere. But to watch what the secondary is doing 802 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,040 Speaker 1: and how they're making progress against Aaron Rodgers. Look, the 803 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,400 Speaker 1: Packers are incorporating a new offense, so you're gonna have 804 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,000 Speaker 1: to adjust on the flight. How do you adjust in 805 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:47,839 Speaker 1: the fly? How do you make changes? It's not as 806 00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:49,520 Speaker 1: if you're gonna go down go up to Green Bay 807 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,919 Speaker 1: knowing exactly what they're gonna do. Not alliance a little 808 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,400 Speaker 1: different situation because Matt Patricia Bill O'Brien, that whole connection. 809 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,480 Speaker 1: You're gonna a little bit more. But the Packers is 810 00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,440 Speaker 1: a great test. The fair face Aaron Rodgers for how 811 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,759 Speaker 1: many every days in practice, two three, whatever it is, 812 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,160 Speaker 1: and then maybe a series in the game, maybe not, 813 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,960 Speaker 1: but at least seeing Aaron Rodgers is gonna make you 814 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,120 Speaker 1: that much better as you face get ready to face 815 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:17,480 Speaker 1: in order breeze falls Rivers Ryan in Newton, I don't 816 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,080 Speaker 1: know if I can't remember which one comes first, Newton, 817 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,200 Speaker 1: I ran, I can't remember, but either way, then after 818 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,680 Speaker 1: that as Mahomes and luck so you get Rogers right 819 00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:25,480 Speaker 1: out of the shoot. Oh boy, that's gonna help you. 820 00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,560 Speaker 1: That is really gonna help you. It's really gonna tell 821 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,000 Speaker 1: us where the secondary is and where it needs to go. Johnny, 822 00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,760 Speaker 1: thanks a lot for joining us. Mark, Thank you, John Harris. 823 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,480 Speaker 1: Let them know everybody, that's what they say at the 824 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,839 Speaker 1: comedy clubs, not that that was any kind of comedy show. 825 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,480 Speaker 1: All right, keep it right here Sports Radio six ten. 826 00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,640 Speaker 1: We'll have anything breaking on the general managers situation with 827 00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,799 Speaker 1: your Houston Texans. We'll be back on Friday night at six. 828 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,360 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening, Thanks to the General for coming on 829 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,360 Speaker 1: of a great night, and go Texans.