1 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: Live from the Bloomberg Interacted Berger's studios. This is Bloombergy 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:08,880 Speaker 1: day Break for Wednesday, February twenty second. Coming up today, 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 1: stocks are coming off their worst day of the year. 4 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: Investors wait for the release of the FED minutes from 5 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: this month's policy meeting. President Biden rally's support for Ukraine 6 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: in Eastern Europe as a fight for democracy, and China 7 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 1: calls ties with Russia solid as a rock. Let's suspected 8 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: tornado touchdown in southern New Jersey. Plus a suspect has 9 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: been charged with a hate crime for burning a Pride 10 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: flag at a Soho restaurant. I'm Michael Barr. More ahead, 11 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:37,920 Speaker 1: I'm John Stashdown Sports. The Devil's lost to Montreal, a 12 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: coaching change in the NBA while the Nets extended their 13 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 1: coaches contract. That's all straight ahead on Bloomberg day Break, 14 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 1: The business news you need disturn your day in just 15 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 1: one fifteen minute podcast each pointing on Apple, Spotify, the 16 00:00:53,640 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Business App, and everywhere you get your podcasts. Good morning, 17 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: I'm Nathan Hager and I'm kieron Moscow. Here are the 18 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,559 Speaker 1: stories we're following today. Stocks are coming off their worst 19 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: day of the year. The S and P five hundred 20 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: opened up the holiday short and trading week with a 21 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:14,039 Speaker 1: two percent decline, while the tech heavy NASDAC one hundred 22 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: fell two point four percent. Week. Earnings and fears of 23 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 1: more interest rate hikes from the Federal Reserve are weighing 24 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: on equities. Goldman Sachs Chief Global Equity strategist Peter Roppenheimer 25 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: says US stocks are now far less attractive. The US 26 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: equity market remains quite expensive, trading at over eighteen times. 27 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:35,919 Speaker 1: That's quite a bit above it's longer run average. Most 28 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: other equity markets trade below their longer run averages, and 29 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 1: that's true in Europe as well, the most extreme cases 30 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 1: in the UK, which has been our preferred European market 31 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: was the best performing major index last year. We still 32 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: think there's a lot of upside. Goldman's Peter Roppenheimer spoke 33 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: exclusively with Bloomberg from the Goldman Sachs Global Macro Conference 34 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: Asia Pacific. Here. More of that interview in just a 35 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: few minutes here on Bloomberg Daybreak. Well, Nathan, we'll get 36 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: more clues on the direction of interest rates when the 37 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,960 Speaker 1: Fed issues minutes from this month's policy meeting, and Bloomberg's 38 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 1: Michael McKee has a preview. The surprise has gone now 39 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: that the presidents of the Cleveland and Saint Louis fedbanks 40 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: have said they saw a case for a half percentage 41 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: point increase at the February first meeting. If there were 42 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: a significant number of others who felt the same way, 43 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 1: that could influence views of the Fed's next move, given 44 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: the strong data we've seen since then. Moreover, at his 45 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: post meeting news conference, FED Chair j Powell teased a 46 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: discussion on the path forward for rates that we'd learn 47 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: about when the minutes were released. What might have been 48 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: said about how high rates will need to go, how fast, 49 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: and for how long. A lot of that will depend 50 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 1: on how FED officials felt about the prospects for inflation. 51 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 1: Another discussion to watch in the minutes. Michael McKee, Bloomberg Daybreak, 52 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 1: All Mike, Thanks. Turning to geopolitics, President Biden is wrapping 53 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,239 Speaker 1: up his trip through Eastern Europe, marking a year since 54 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: Russia's invasion of Ukraine. He'll meet with leaders of the 55 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: so called Buchreest. Nine nations have aided Ukraine with weapons 56 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: and refugee assistants in a major speech in Warsaw, the 57 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: President said Ukraine's fight as united the West. President prudness 58 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,679 Speaker 1: Kurfronto was something today that you didn't think was possible 59 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 1: a year ago. The democracy of the world have grown stronger, 60 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: not weaker, but the autocrats of the world have grown weaker, 61 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 1: not stronger. Former US Ambassador to NATO Kurt Volker says 62 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: that strength will be tested as the war continues. So 63 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: much of the speech sounded like we're already declaring victory. 64 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,679 Speaker 1: That okay, well, we've succeeded here, but the war is 65 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: far from over. Russia is still recruiting people and throwing 66 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: them at the front line. We have not given the 67 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: Ukrainians the longest range communitions that they need, not giving 68 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: them any aircraft, So there's a long way to go. 69 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: Former NATO Ambassador Kurt Volker spoke with our Washington correspondent 70 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: Joe Matthew on Bloomberg's Sound on Catch the show weekdays 71 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: at five pm Eastern on Bloomberg Radio or listen on 72 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: demand wherever you get your podcast. Meanwhile, Nathan China's top 73 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: diplomat is callings with Russia quote solid as Rockhang Yi 74 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: was in Moscow to meet with the secretary of the 75 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: Russian Security Council and a high level support might not 76 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: in there. The Wall Street Journal is reporting Chinese President 77 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: Xi Jinping is preparing to visit Moscow. We get more 78 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,359 Speaker 1: from Bloomberg's John Lou and Beijing. At the end of 79 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: last year, in the Semmer thirtieth, she and President Putin 80 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: did have a phone call, and during that phone call, 81 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: President Putin did say to Chijimin that he looked forward 82 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: to she visiting Moscow in the spring. So we've been 83 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: looking for a visit of some sort. It has not 84 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 1: been confirmed or acknowledged by the Chinese side, and Bloombergs 85 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: John Lou report she has yet to talk with Ukrainian 86 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: President vladimir's Lenski since the invasion. He's spoken with Russian 87 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 1: President Vladimir Putin at least four times in the last year. 88 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: Let's turn to corporate news now. Karen McKinsey and Company 89 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: is known for devising plans to cut workers for its clients. 90 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: Now the consulting firm is taking the acts to some 91 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:58,799 Speaker 1: of its own. We get more from Bloomberg's Doug Prisoner. 92 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: McKinsey and to eliminate about two thousand jobs in one 93 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: of the firm's biggest rounds of cuts ever. The plan 94 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 1: has been dubbed Project Magnolia. It's expected to focus on 95 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: support roles that don't have direct contact with clients. The 96 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: aim is to help McKinsey's management team preserve the compensation 97 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: pool for its partners. Over the past decade, the firm 98 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: has seen rapid growth and headcount. Now it's looking to 99 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 1: restructure how it organizes support teams and centralize some of 100 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 1: its roles. The plan is expected to be finalized in 101 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: the coming weeks. In New York, I'm Doug Prisoner Bloomberg Daybreak. 102 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: All right, Doug, thank you well. Job cuts aren't the 103 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 1: only recent trend for many companies, so are pay cuts. 104 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: But at least one Wall Street ceo is bucking the trend. 105 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: City Groups. Jane Frasier collected twenty four and a half 106 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: million dollars in compensation last year, and we get more 107 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 1: from Bloomberg's Shirley Pillared. It makes her the only major 108 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: American bank CEO to get a bump in compensation for 109 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 1: the year, according to a filing. In her first full 110 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: year atop the company, Frasier was granted stock awards, totaling 111 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 1: about nineteen point six million dollars, a cash bonus of 112 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: three point four five million, and one and a half 113 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 1: million dollars in salary. The move comes after rivals Bank 114 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: of America and Goldman Sacks cut CEO pay, while JP 115 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: Morgan Chase and Wells Fargo left their's unchanged. In New York. 116 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:25,119 Speaker 1: Charlie Pellett Bloomberg Daybreak and Charlie another Wall Street firms 117 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: cracking down on artificial intelligence. Bloomberg News has learned JP 118 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: Morgan Chase's curbing staff use of the chat GPT chat bot. 119 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: Sources say it's not triggered by any specific event, but 120 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: if like normal controls around third party software, we'll turn 121 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 1: cloudy today. Showers this afternoon with a high near forty 122 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: five degrees. Temperatures will rise overnight. It's thirty nine degrees 123 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: right now. Time now to take a look at some 124 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:53,359 Speaker 1: of the other stories making news in New York and 125 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: around the world. Good morning, Michael Barn, Good morning Nathan. 126 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: A fast moving storm left a trail of damage and 127 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: down tree after a rare February tornado warning was issued 128 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: for parts of southern New Jersey. The National Weather Service 129 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: said that it received reports of a possible tornado touching 130 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: down in Mercer County. This woman lives in Lawrenceville and 131 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: describes the moment the storm went over her home. I 132 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: just heard it from the back room, saying, getting in 133 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: the ladger room, getting launde room. We just heard the 134 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: gust of wind and then we saw the funnel come 135 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: right across our window. So definitely very unexpected for way. 136 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: Appeared to be a really beautiful day so far, no 137 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:31,679 Speaker 1: reports of any serious injuries. A strong, widespread winter storm 138 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: will sweep across the northern United States this week. Bloombergs D. 139 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: Baxter as the story moving from west to east. It 140 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: has already started with heavy winds here in the Bay Area, 141 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: the wind strong enough to blow down a tree across 142 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 1: the Bay Bridge, causing a traffic nightmare for some time. 143 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: Snow do to follow on some higher peaks later. The 144 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: storm will then move east, where Minneapolis will take the 145 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: brunt of the impact, getting fifteen to twenty five inches 146 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: of snow through Thursday. The National Weather Service says on 147 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: the historic storm will move up to New England, which 148 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: may get up to eighteen inches by Friday. In San Francisco, 149 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: I'm at Baxter Bloomberg daybreak, the nypd AS arrested a 150 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: suspect after a Pride flag was set on fire outside 151 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: of a Manhattan restaurant in Soho. Thirty year old Angelina 152 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: Condo was charged with hate crimes, including arson, mischief, and 153 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: reckless endangerment. The flag, which read make America Gay Again, 154 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: was set on fire early Monday at the Little Prince Restaurant. 155 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 1: Attorney Benjamin Crump says on behalf of civil right leader 156 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: Malcolm X's surviving daughters, he will file a notice of 157 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: claim with intent to sue government agencies, including the FBI 158 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: and the New York City Police Department, over fraudulant concealment 159 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: of evidence in their father's murder. The truth of what 160 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: happened and who was involved has always been critical. Malcolm 161 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,199 Speaker 1: X was shot multiple times while preparing to speak in 162 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 1: Washington Heights in nineteen sixty five. The two men originally 163 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: convicted of killing Malcolm X were exonerated more than eighteen 164 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 1: months ago. Global News twenty four hours a day, powered 165 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: by more than twenty seven hundred journalist and analysts in 166 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: over one hundred twenty countries. Michael Barr, this is Bloomberg Nathan. 167 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: Thank you, Michael, except for the Bloomberg Sports update Prounty 168 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: by Tri State Outie. Here's John stashanks Nathan. First half 169 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: of the NFL offseason, teams needed to make a decision 170 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: on whether to apply the franchise tag. The window just opened. 171 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: The deadline not until March eighth, and teams often wait 172 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:38,559 Speaker 1: to decide. It's going to be an interesting call. To 173 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 1: the Giants, it's clear they did not want to risk 174 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: losing quarterback Daniel Jones the free agency. If they can't 175 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:45,959 Speaker 1: sign him to a long term deal, they'd like me 176 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: franchise him. If they do sign Jones, they could then 177 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: franchise sat Quan Parkley. Derek Carr released by the Raiders. 178 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: He's free to sign with another team right away, and 179 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: this past weekend, Carr was seen dining in New Jersey 180 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 1: with Jets coach Robert Sala. Car also met with the Saints. 181 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: His brother David wants an NFL QB himself said he 182 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: thinks it's going to be a long process. The Nets 183 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: have made a decision on coach Jack Vaughan. He's stayed 184 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: in Brooklyn. Vaughn this season has gone from assistant to 185 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 1: interim head coach to permanent and now his contract extended 186 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: through twenty twenty seven. The Atlanta Hawks fired their coach 187 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 1: Nate McMillan, Devil's lost at home to Montreal five to two, 188 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: and Yankee camp let the shortstop competition begin. Will it 189 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 1: again be Isaiah Connor, Felefa or one of three youngsters, 190 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: Oswald Parazza, Oswaldo Cabrera or Anthony Volpe making it a call? 191 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: Will be managing Aaron Boone. I don't think there's any 192 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,599 Speaker 1: way that I'm hoping it necessarily goes. You know, you 193 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:43,079 Speaker 1: like it to declare itself, I guess on some level, 194 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: but you like for the guys to continue to make 195 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: it hard because you feel like they all bring something 196 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: potentially special to the table. And another matter, Boone says 197 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: that when John Carlos Stanton doesn't DH plays the outfield, 198 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: it could be in right with Aaron Judge moving to left, 199 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: John Stash Edward Boomber's Live from coast to coast from 200 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: New York to San Francisco, Boston to Washington, d C. 201 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: Nationwide on Sirius Examp, the Bloomberg Business app, and Bloomberg 202 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: dot Com. This is Bloomberg Daybreak, Good morning, I'm Nathan Hagar. 203 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: If investors put their money overseas, they could see big 204 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 1: returns from Asia. That's according to Peter Oppenheimer, the chief 205 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: Global equity strategist at Goldman Sachs. Oppenheimer spoke exclusively with 206 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: Bloomberg's Annabel Drulers from the sidelines Goldman's Macro Conference Asia Pacific. 207 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: They discussed the outlook for US and global equity markets, 208 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: treasury bills, and where Peter Oppenheimer is looking for opportunity. 209 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: Let's bring you part of that conversation. Now, we just 210 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: spoke there about the moose that was seen in treasury markets. 211 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: But generally, when you can get five percent on a 212 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: tea bill risk free at the moment, what does that 213 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,839 Speaker 1: tell you about the alec for equities. Well, overall, it 214 00:11:55,920 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 1: tows in not particularly attractive and it's confusing pitchings ways, 215 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: because we as a house had been pretty optimistic about 216 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: the global economic outlook long, expecting the US to avoid recession. 217 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: We don't have recessions now forecast, even in Europe, which 218 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: was really at the epicenter of the risks last year 219 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:17,559 Speaker 1: with rising gas prices. But I would say two things. 220 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: First of all, equity markets are really pricing that outcome now, 221 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: we don't think they're pricing a recession. And secondly, as 222 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: you say, you're getting quite a high return in competing 223 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: assets with much less risk. So overall, the biggest market 224 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: in the world, we're looking at a flat return. We've 225 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:39,199 Speaker 1: been preferring non US markets for quite some time. We 226 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: still do, but even they're the absolute returns we think 227 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: are going to be relatively modest overall at the index level. 228 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:50,079 Speaker 1: Assume modest returns overall. Where are you then looking to 229 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: get the most alpha? Well, I would say two things. Firstly, 230 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: if you take all of the regions globally, we've got 231 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: the highest return forecasts in Asia's partly a valuation story 232 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: in a recovery the opening up of China. And secondly, 233 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: I think you really need to look within beneath the 234 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: equity index level to really find better relative opportunities. Now 235 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: that's been the story ready for much of the last year, 236 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 1: where we found for the first time in more than 237 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: a decade, valuation really matter. Cheaper things outperformed in the 238 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: previous decade. Generally more expensive things were outperforming, and we 239 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: think that will continue. So we like pockets of value 240 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: in Europe, where I cover in particular, we've had a 241 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: strong preference for banks, which have been a disastrous performing 242 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: area for more than a decade and over the last 243 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,319 Speaker 1: year have performed well. We think there's more to go there. 244 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: We like energy and commodity related sectors as well, and 245 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: we sort of balance that with a preference for stable 246 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: margin businesses across industries. And that's true globally. When you 247 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:00,439 Speaker 1: talk about Europe out performing the US, what exactly do 248 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 1: see driving that? I would say it's a couple of things. 249 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:08,079 Speaker 1: First of all, valuation. The US equity market remains quite expensive, 250 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: trading at over eighteen times. That's quite a bit above 251 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: its longer run average. Most other equity markets trade below 252 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: their longer run averages, and that's true in Europe as well, 253 00:14:19,560 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: the most extreme cases in the UK, which has been 254 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: our preferred European market was the best performing major index 255 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: last year. We still think there's a lot of upside. 256 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: That's partly because it's very cheap, and partly also because 257 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: it's got more exposure to the things that no one 258 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: really wanted in the last decade, which was very dominated 259 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: by large cap tech. But it does have a lot 260 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: of exposure to these things that are finally seeing quite 261 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 1: strong fundamental learnings growth thanks healthcare resources. Yeah, that split 262 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: between value versus growth, but talk specifically because is it 263 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: really right to look at it in those terms or 264 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: how should people be really approaching value as a sector. 265 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,040 Speaker 1: There's a sort of tendency to look at everything in 266 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: a very binary way, and that's the approach that many 267 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: people have taken really since the financial crisis, because there 268 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: was such an extreme difference between the growth factor and 269 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: the value factor, and as that's reversed, it's almost as 270 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: if people believe that you could see the same secular 271 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: trends in the opposite direction. I think it's going to 272 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: be more eclectic. We do like areas of value, but 273 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: we like to balance that against pockets of growth that 274 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: we don't think are that expensive and where you've got 275 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: more stable margins. That's what really the market is paying for, 276 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: so things like healthcare we've fitted into that. If you 277 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: look at Europe, the biggest companies, the eleven biggest that 278 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: we call the granolas, have become very large in the index, 279 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: twenty five percent of the six hundred biggest companies. 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