1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: Episode three seventy one with Caroline Jones. Known about her 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: for a long time. She is the first female member 3 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:09,879 Speaker 1: of the Zach Brown Band, so she's been a solo artist, 4 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: will remain a solo artist. But she's so proficient. And 5 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:15,319 Speaker 1: she was opening for ZBB and they were like, hey, 6 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 1: won't you be a member? Zach was crazy, So I 7 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: want you to hear the story from her. Let me 8 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 1: she play so many instruments, she's basically a musical master. 9 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 1: And she lives in Nashville. Also in my car story 10 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: when she moved to New Zealand, that's pretty crazy for 11 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: quite a while during the pandemic, and she said they 12 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: didn't have pandemic there because they shut everything down so 13 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: they got to roam freely. It is a really good interview. 14 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:40,240 Speaker 1: I really enjoyed the time and it all, and it 15 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: got to the point to where we started challenging each other, 16 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: which I enjoy the most. A lot of back and forth. 17 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: It's not favorite thing to do. When I don't know 18 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 1: that we weren't arguing, but it was just like, oh, 19 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 1: what about this point? Okay, I see your point. What 20 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: about That's my favorite kind of do. Honestly, it's so 21 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: enjoy follow her at Caroline Jones even if you want 22 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: to see what she looks like, because sometimes it's good 23 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: to have a face when you're listening to this. And 24 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: here we go. It is Caroline Jones, episode three seventy 25 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: one of the Bobby Cast. Right, we're here with Caroline Jones, 26 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: Caroline going to see again. Likewise, I think we saw 27 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: each other the opery recently, and it's one of those 28 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: weird things where you feel like you know somebody, but 29 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 1: maybe because you've only watched them on social media, I 30 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: guess I don't know you as well as I felt 31 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: like I did, because again, I think it's called like 32 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 1: a para social relationship, or you're watching somebody on social 33 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: media and you're like, oh, And then when we met, 34 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: I was like, I'm not sure if we've ever met 35 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: a person or not. Yeah, we hadn't, and I'm a 36 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: huge fan I've been for a long time, and the 37 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: same I feel like I know you, So I just 38 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 1: went up and introduced myself. That was a fun night. 39 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: I got to cover Copperhead Road at the Opera. Yeah yeah, yeah, 40 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:46,119 Speaker 1: yeah yeah yeah. So I mean I just remember thinking 41 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: I can't believe I hadn't met her yet, because again, 42 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: I seeing so much of what you're doing or who 43 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: you're out with, or you're playing shows and stuff, so, um, 44 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: it was really cool to officially meet you. Um. And 45 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: then I'll just start with what was in my head 46 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: first when I heard you were coming to do this, 47 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: was that, So are you playing with Zach now? So 48 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: what what what's happening there? Okay, So I am now 49 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: an official member of the Zach Brown Band? So what 50 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: does that mean? Because I saw that too, What does 51 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 1: that mean? That means that I not only will tour 52 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: with them now, but I'll also make their records with 53 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: them and be involved in the studio process and any 54 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 1: and all things that they do. And that's very interesting 55 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 1: because you are such a strong artist yourself and you're 56 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 1: also going to play with Zach, Like, what does that 57 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: mean for your music world? Does that mean anything different? 58 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: Are you still going to be Caroline Jones front facing 59 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: artists that's writing songs and playing Are you really going 60 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 1: to be with Zach? No, I'll still be my own artist. 61 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: And actually, when I kind of had this official conversation 62 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 1: with Zach or this heart to heart if you will, 63 00:02:55,200 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: that was really my only hesitation because I love playing 64 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 1: with Zack Ground Band. It's an opportunity for me as 65 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:06,079 Speaker 1: a musician that is like a once in a lifetime opportunity. 66 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: And um, I've never been a sideman before. It's great discipline, 67 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: it's great for my musicianship, it's great for me as 68 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: an artist, singer, songwriter, performer. But if anyone knows, like 69 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: the poll that you have towards the conviction of your 70 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 1: own dreams and your own artistry, it's Zach. You know. 71 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 1: He understands that he has been grinding away that since 72 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 1: he was a teenager. So that was really my only 73 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 1: stipulation is like, I just have to find a way 74 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: if I'm going to say yes full time and fully 75 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: commit because also they deserve that, because they're an incredible 76 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: group of musicians that are fully committed to Zack Broun Band. 77 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: And I said, I just have to find I have 78 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: to find the balance. Really, it's just time and scheduling. Um, 79 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: because I don't I feel that they're not mutually exclusive 80 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: in the least, like I feel that being Zack Brown 81 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: Band adds to my artistry, my musicianship and me being 82 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: a solo artist. The more tickets that I can pull, 83 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: the more that I can add to their band, hopefully, 84 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: and the better musician I am an artist I am, 85 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: the more I can add to their band, whether it's musically, 86 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: performance wise, songwriting, any of that. So for me, I 87 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: just feel like I hit the jackpie. What was the 88 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: response when you had that, A somewhat uncomfortable conversation of yeah, 89 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: this is awesome, but you know what does he say 90 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: to that? Well, Zack is a very straightforward person, very 91 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: honest person, and he really values that over anything like 92 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 1: he's a very loyal person. Um, So I think he 93 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,119 Speaker 1: hopefully that's one of the reasons that I'm in the band. 94 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 1: You know, there's better musicians than me, better performers than me. 95 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: But just the combination of that and feeling like family 96 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 1: and someone that they can trust and that they trust 97 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,600 Speaker 1: the intentions of is I think a big part of 98 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: it as well. Um And he just said that he 99 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: understands and that it's something that he knows it I'll 100 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 1: need to balance and that if in when I can't 101 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 1: do both, that everyone in the band will be really 102 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 1: happy for me and I. Again, it's like something that 103 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: you just can't you can't really script or try for 104 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 1: that kind of like genuine friendship. It's like really a 105 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: mutual um because he he really championed me as an 106 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: artist the first person. That's what my assumption was that 107 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: he saw you actually performing and you are a multi instrumentalist, 108 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: and you know, we'll get to all that, but that's 109 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: how he was exposed to you. Was so he was 110 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 1: the first person to ever take me under his wing. 111 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 1: I really owe the career that I have so far 112 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: to touring um. Zach was the first person to invite 113 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 1: me out on the road. I was supposed to open 114 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: two shows for him and ended up opening the whole 115 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 1: tour and opening for them on and off for three 116 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: years and just became a good friend of theirs, kind 117 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: of a part of their family musical family. And like 118 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 1: I said that, those are my first big tours, so 119 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 1: I felt like I had dined and gone to the 120 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: like and that opened the door for me to open 121 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 1: for Jimmy Buffett and Kenny Chesney and Faith Hill and 122 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: to mcgrawl and other tours that I was able to 123 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 1: get on because Zach had taken that chance on me. 124 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:15,719 Speaker 1: But then the pandemic happened, and so when everyone started 125 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: announcing their tours again last year in twenty one. I 126 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,160 Speaker 1: just kind of assumed I'll just do my own thing. 127 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 1: I was working on my second record and Zack just 128 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 1: called me out of the blue and said, can you 129 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 1: come out on the road with us and play some 130 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: guitar and play some banjo and play some B three? 131 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 1: And I was like, I don't play B three and 132 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 1: he's like, I don't Organs sorry, And I was like, 133 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: I don't play B three and he's like, but you 134 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 1: play keys, right, And I was like yeah, and he's like, 135 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: you'll play B three by August. So I had to 136 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 1: do like a B three crash course and Clay and 137 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 1: Coy who played B three and Zack Brown Band are 138 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: just amazing B three players. Um So that was extremely intimidating, 139 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: um as if all the other stuff wasn't. But I 140 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: was super surprised when asked me to come out and 141 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: tour with them. And so I came out and toured 142 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: with them last year, and I remember we got to 143 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 1: c m as and some stuff like that, and he 144 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: was kept asking me to come and like be in 145 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: their pictures and I was like what is because I 146 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: just thought I was kind of a sideman in the 147 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: group on the road, and he kept asking me two 148 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: different opportunities and like dream scenarios like playing on c 149 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: m as with them, and I just couldn't believe it. 150 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: And then, um, just recently we kind of made it 151 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: official and we'll come back to that because definitely to me, 152 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 1: not your identity. That was just the newest thing that 153 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: I guess I read about you in the last couple 154 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: of days and I was like, dang, I'll ask her 155 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: about that as soon as we get started. But I do. 156 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: I think my audience who listens to this, they're they're 157 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: really curious about how people got here, you know, and 158 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: not just you know, what's the last three songs you wrote, 159 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: but like where did you grow up? You know, what's 160 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:51,960 Speaker 1: the what was the family dynamic like for you? And 161 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: when did you start playing music and who kind of 162 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: pushed you in to do music or encourage you to 163 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: do music. Well, I don't really come from a musical family. 164 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: Grew up just outside of New York City in the northeast, 165 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: so not listening to country music at all. My dad 166 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: is from Memphis, He's a country boy, but I didn't 167 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: grow up listening to any country uh. And I grew 168 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: up really just with a love for writing, for poetry. 169 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: That's how it started for me. And as soon as 170 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: I learned to read, I would just write all day. 171 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: I've always been kind of an introverted person, and when 172 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: I was about like nine or ten, I started singing 173 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: in school, and then I begged my parents for saying 174 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 1: lessons and realized that I could put all those poems 175 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: and stories to music and never wanted to do anything 176 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: else after that. Were you playing anything at nine or ten? 177 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 1: Did any piano lessons? I took piano lessons as a kid, 178 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: but I wasn't super intuent. Can you imagine like a 179 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: four year old on the gospel Oregan? Um? No? But 180 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 1: I actually I had started writing songs and I started 181 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: demmling them. I had a manager around like sixteen seventeen, 182 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: and he said, you know your music kind of your 183 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: songs are kind of country, like the sensibilities are kind 184 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: of country pop. And I was like what, I couldn't. 185 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 1: I just didn't. I hadn't grown up listening that. The 186 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: extent of country that I knew was like Shannai Twain um. 187 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 1: And he was like, yeah, you should really go down 188 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: to Nashville. So I went down to Nashville and I 189 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: went to a show with the Bluebird, and that was 190 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: it for me. So organically, your writing style was like poetry, 191 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: it was authentic. It was country music, I think. So, 192 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: I mean I had some sensibilities there. I wouldn't really 193 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: say that I was country, and definitely not consciously, but 194 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: I think that when I came down here and I 195 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: went to a show with the Bluebird, and I saw 196 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: because I loved like Joni Mitchell, Bob Dylan, Americana now yeah, 197 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: and I didn't realize that there was a whole genre 198 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: of music that was built around authenticity, that was built 199 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 1: around storytelling, a musicianship. And when I saw the people 200 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: at the Bluebird, the songwriters, I think I saw Leslie 201 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: Satcher like tell a story about how she wrote a song, 202 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: and I was like, this whole town own is full 203 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: of people like that. And I just could not get enough. 204 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: And so when I went back home after that trip, 205 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: I started at the Carter family and went all the 206 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 1: way forward and just listened to every country artist and 207 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: UM started with old country, and like I said, went 208 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: all the way to present day. I just fell in 209 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: love with it. And it's cool it's a cool age 210 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: to fall in love with it, like eight, because you're 211 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: so you know, that's the music that really makes an 212 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: impression on you. Um. And I just became a student 213 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: of it and fell in love with it. And I 214 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: wouldn't say I'm traditional country by any stretch, but I 215 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: love country music, especially love old country music, and I 216 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 1: feel like that was the missing piece of my songwriting artistry. 217 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: Discovered that most really good country artists aren't traditional country 218 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: because traditional country is always evolving, and when there is 219 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 1: any sort of evolution, there's new people coming in or 220 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: new styles that actually supplement a genre absolutely well. And 221 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 1: in this day and age, you know, purism is kind 222 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: of a lost art form. And I think that's why 223 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 1: these past few years you've seen the rise of traditional 224 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: country more, which is such a cool resurgence. I love 225 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:18,719 Speaker 1: seeing that. Um. But in this day and age, none 226 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: of us in this generation grew up listening to one 227 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: kind of music or one genre music. I mean, that's true, 228 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 1: that's download and streaming. It's napster, you know. I say 229 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: that too about even my career, where I was very 230 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:33,679 Speaker 1: fortunate that when I was a teenager, napster existed and 231 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: popped up and when I was in college, and because 232 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: I had all those influences at that exact time of 233 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: my life and what I wanted to do. I was 234 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 1: young for my job, but I knew all these different 235 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 1: types of music. I was kind of the first generation 236 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: and you were one of your audience. Yeah it was. 237 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:52,199 Speaker 1: It was one of the first generation that was influenced 238 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: by everything, but still knew who I was and said, hey, 239 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: I'm this, but I also have all all these outside 240 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 1: things that are affecting me at this point. That's okay 241 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: because music and media used to be regional. So where 242 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 1: you grew up, that's what you heard or you need 243 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 1: tapes and CDs, right, they sent it to the Walmart 244 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 1: or the music store. And in the southeast, you're exactly right. 245 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,719 Speaker 1: They mostly got country right, and what was on your 246 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:17,439 Speaker 1: radio station was what was popular in your area. And 247 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: same with news. I mean, even the information, the amount 248 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 1: of information that we consume now is so unnatural compared 249 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 1: to what you would have known about your town, your 250 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 1: community fifty years ago. It is, and that's a great point. 251 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: I love it, and I often I won't say argue, 252 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: but I often have healthy debates about a similar type 253 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:38,959 Speaker 1: subject and even when it comes to country music and 254 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 1: at the evolution of it in general, where the first 255 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: time that Bob Wills had an electric steel in his band, 256 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: people started screaming that's not country or drums with at 257 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: the opera. I mean, you're you're looking at all, and 258 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: you see it happened so many times over and over again. 259 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: You would think that people would go, oh, we should 260 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: stop doing that, but they don't. But you know, I 261 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:07,559 Speaker 1: have a theory about this because I feel like country now, 262 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:11,559 Speaker 1: there's lots of traditionalists in every industry and everything we need, 263 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: but I feel like country has a lot to protect, 264 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: even more than say a genre like pop, where lots 265 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: of trends come and go. Like, I feel like the 266 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:26,439 Speaker 1: country has a family feel and a legacy that is 267 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:28,599 Speaker 1: the cornerstone of the genre. And so I feel like 268 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: that's why old habits can sometimes die harder in this 269 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 1: genre because I feel like there is a lot of 270 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,599 Speaker 1: integrity and a lot of values to protect. And I 271 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: don't know if a lot of other music genres have that, 272 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 1: but definitely not ones as commercial as country. I can 273 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: agree with you in that you need traditionalists because if not, 274 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: you'll see, you know, you're you have two sides constantly pulling, 275 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: and if you don't have traditionalists, you don't have an identity. 276 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:02,839 Speaker 1: It's completely lost. But if the traditionist traditionalists hold on 277 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: so tight and it doesn't at all advance or progress, 278 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: it dies one it's it's a creative Yeah, It's like, 279 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: that's what it is. It's so funny that I'm arguing 280 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: for tradition. Like if anyone who knows me would be 281 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: like Carolines arguing for the traditionalists right now, they would 282 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: laugh because I'm I'm very creatively free and I'm so 283 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: grateful to live in a time where artists like me 284 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: can exist more. And what's funny again, on the opposite 285 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: side of that, as I grew up so traditional with 286 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: absolute traditional country music values because my grandmother raised me 287 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: on absolute traditional country music and gospel. But the more 288 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: I've been around it outside the industry and inside, and 289 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: then you just look at it over time and you 290 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: see that every generation. And I've been lucky enough to 291 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: to talk with a lot of artists who have been 292 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: affected in a negative way at the time and told 293 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: you're not country and made to feel less than I 294 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: can go through. I can go through guard any of them. Yeah, 295 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: we can go through the even newer ones with like 296 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: an al Dean when he's first here, a Sam most 297 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: recently Dan and Shay. But then you can go to Garth, 298 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: you can go to all of the Whalen and all 299 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: those guys to Bob when they put an electric steel 300 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: and they're like, you're not a country. So imagine if 301 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: the traditionalists want all those imagine that we'd have no 302 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: steel guitar. No, elect're still guitar. You don't be able 303 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: to hear it for you have no drums. But see 304 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: great art winds and great art. Absolutely I agree with that. 305 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: I just think sometimes it takes a while. Sometimes it 306 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: shouldn't be like you're trying to escape prison to get 307 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: a chance. I also think great yes, And when you 308 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: say great art wins, I don't think great art succeeds 309 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: without it being good. Meaning I don't think you can 310 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: throw a bunch of synth and electronic and hip hop 311 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: on country music and just be like, well that's gonna 312 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: do good. No, it's gotta be good. Come from his genuine, 313 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: absolutely creative place, which is like what's happened in the 314 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: past ten fift years. I mean You can argue that 315 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 1: there's lower quality music made with that, but there's lower 316 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: quality music made with real instruments, So it's not about that. 317 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: There's amazing, creative, innovative music that has come out with 318 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: program drums and synthpads and snacked vocals, and it's just 319 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: par for the course when you look at where pop 320 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: music is. I would also say the same argument. I really, 321 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: I'm already really enjoying this conversation. This is like next, Well, 322 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: this is like the stuff I like talking about. I 323 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: could talk about this stuff all day. I would also 324 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: say that when with the advent of the electric guitar, 325 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: the same conversation was at just the advent of it, 326 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: where they're like, well, that's not the same. You can 327 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: hit one note and it holds. Well, this is not 328 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: the same. This is cheating. The same thing that's being 329 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 1: said about computers, the same thing that will be said 330 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: about it is so cyclical, and it repeats itself over 331 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: and over again. I guess sometimes I just go, how 332 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 1: are people not seeing that? It's the same argument over 333 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: and over and over and it's not wrong. It's the 334 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: I mean, it's right, but it's not wrong. Well, and 335 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: just because it's your taste or not your taste or 336 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: not what you grew up with or not conventional doesn't 337 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: mean it's wrong. And I think especially as I I'm 338 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: in my thirties now, and I feel like I'm vowing 339 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: to myself to just try to stay open minded the 340 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: older that I get because young people always get it 341 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 1: because they're living it. They're the ones innovating. And not 342 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: that I'm not young, but I think you being an 343 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: innovator in your field it allows you to see that 344 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 1: in another field and art in a way that a 345 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 1: lot of people who maybe don't allow themselves to think 346 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: innovatively or creatively can Yeah. I just want to be 347 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: allowed to be wrong, honestly, that's what it is, because 348 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 1: if we're allowed to try things and be wrong, it 349 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: makes the rights so much better, stronger, pure more. If 350 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 1: that's a hard lesson to learn sometimes, but it's so 351 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: especially in creativity, if you have the opportunity to stretch 352 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: yourself out and you're not going to die if you fail, 353 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: you try things, and with efforts and a new creative 354 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 1: comes really fantastic things, but also really big turds too, honestly, 355 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:13,120 Speaker 1: and you need people around you who are creatively open 356 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 1: that way, because it's really hard if you have that 357 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: kind of spirit and that kind of mind, that kind 358 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 1: of heart, and everyone around you saying no, play, it's safe, 359 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 1: do this, this works, this, you know, this is commercial this, 360 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: And as an artist, that's a constant struggle that you 361 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: have to And then you find a tribe of people 362 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: who support you want to try things, but it's supposed 363 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: to be fun and creative and exciting. Yeah, I like that. 364 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: Do you have anyone because that the last five years 365 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:42,360 Speaker 1: or so, I have really open to my I've been 366 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 1: secure enough in the last five years to open myself 367 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,479 Speaker 1: up to go, hey, what am I doing? That sucks? 368 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 1: Not not to the world, because they'll tell me all 369 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 1: the time. Every day. I get that that's fed to 370 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: me with a spoon every five minutes, and you can't 371 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: discern what's true in that, and it is opinion. So 372 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: it's nothing is true, nothing is false. But it's mostly 373 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: from people who are going to spend their time doing that. 374 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 1: Those aren't necessarily people you want to give validity. So 375 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: let me ask you who tells you and who do 376 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: you believe when you're like, this is what I'm doing, 377 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 1: This is what this is my aim, this is what 378 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 1: it did? Where am I there? Who do you trust? 379 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: Because you can't have fifty people you trust? Who do 380 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 1: you trust? And are you good at listening to people's 381 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: idea and ideas? And that's different one. UM, I would 382 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 1: truly say, the first person I trust is myself. Like, 383 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: even if someone says it's really good, and I know 384 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 1: that I can do better, I know it's not. UM. 385 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,399 Speaker 1: I really trust myself there creatively, and I trust myself 386 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: on what feels true and authentic. UM. But I can 387 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 1: also go down a real rabbit hole of being my 388 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: own echo chamber and being super self critical. So I trust, 389 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 1: I would say to people I trust um my manager 390 00:19:54,960 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 1: and business partner Rick wake Uh creatively. Yeah, And I 391 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 1: trust my husband my husband. I'm a newly wet I 392 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: got married, gosh, I guess almost a year ago now, 393 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: thank you so much, UM. And I had never thought 394 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:13,640 Speaker 1: I would get married, and never thought I'd settle down 395 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 1: or any of those things. But I've come to trust 396 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: him creatively as much as I trust him in any 397 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:21,640 Speaker 1: other area of life, because not only will he tell 398 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,360 Speaker 1: me if he doesn't like something, like, he'll always tell 399 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 1: me the truth. I there's lots of people who will 400 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 1: tell me that their truth, their opinion. But he'll also 401 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 1: really push me outside of my comfort zone. And that's 402 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: something that I've with everyone else in my life. I've 403 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: always been able to guard around or like avoid um, 404 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 1: and he just knows all the back hallways of my 405 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 1: mind and will actually like go straight at it and say, no, 406 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:50,880 Speaker 1: you need to push yourself here, or challenge yourself this way, 407 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: or get out of your comfort zone here, Like your 408 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 1: opinion isn't the be all and end all of everything, 409 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: Like maybe there's more to you that you don't know 410 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 1: about yet. And so I really appreciated that. And I 411 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 1: will listen to him in a way that I won't 412 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 1: listen to anyone else. That's great. I bet it's difficult. 413 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 1: I know it's difficult because I deal with that too. 414 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,439 Speaker 1: And I can tell you I had a show on 415 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: Saturday night, and so I do this like hour long 416 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: show that I kind of wrote, and it's comedy, but 417 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: it's also inspiration. It's called commedically Inspirational, and I wrote it. 418 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 1: It's kind of a different type show. It's got I've 419 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: never seen a show like it, which meant it could 420 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 1: have been a disaster could have been amazing, and it 421 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,120 Speaker 1: kind of started off slightly more on the disaster side, 422 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: but now we've pushing towards Yeah, it's now it's getting 423 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 1: pretty good. But um, I have a couple of jokes 424 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: that I do during the set because it's a mixture 425 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: of stand up and kind of motivational speaking. And my 426 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: wife's like, you shouldn't do this joke anymore and it 427 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: kills every time, and I was like, you know, but 428 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,400 Speaker 1: everybody always laughed because you're just better than that joke now. 429 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 1: And I'm like, I like, yeah, but everybody laughed, like 430 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,959 Speaker 1: that's a big, big laugh m And she's like, you're right, 431 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: it is a big laugh, shes But you could slip 432 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: on a banana pill out there too, and people would 433 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: laugh at that. And she's like, you're like, it's low fruit. 434 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 1: She means, that's exactly what she said. She's like, they laugh, 435 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: but you are far better than that. So I would say, 436 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: please don't and I'm like, I'm doing the joke. I 437 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 1: told us I'm doing the joke. I'm doing the joke, 438 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about doing the joke. And 439 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 1: then I get out and now it's in the back 440 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: of your mind. Well, then I'm like, if I have once, 441 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: I have five minutes not being what I feel um 442 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: being defensive or threatened, which I'm not being threatened at all. 443 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 1: She's just we have this relationship where I asked her 444 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 1: to say stuff and then she says it, and I'm like, oh, 445 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 1: there are my feelings, and then I get over it 446 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: real quick and go, wow, that's great. She said that 447 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: to me. I didn't do the joke. So I remember, 448 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 1: I didn't do the joke, didn't say the joke, got 449 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 1: off stage, everything was good, and I said I didn't 450 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: do the joke, and she goes, I noticed a good job, 451 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:40,360 Speaker 1: and I was like, thank she never does a good 452 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: job and so and she does. But you know, it's 453 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 1: kind of a similar thing where I trusted her to say, 454 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 1: you know what, I think you're a little better than that, 455 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 1: even though everybody else think that's pretty good, because I 456 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: think you're I think you're better than It's really nice 457 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 1: when someone challenges you and is honest with you. It 458 00:22:56,480 --> 00:23:00,119 Speaker 1: just I mean, even in business, in creative relationships, all 459 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: kinds of relationships, um, sometimes it's hard to be honest 460 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: with other people. But whenever anyone's honest with me, I 461 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: really appreciated it, and you appreciate it immediately, because sometimes 462 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: I get defensive because I feel like I'm being threatened 463 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: or they think I'm not worthy or less than, and 464 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 1: then I appreciate you well. I think that's part of 465 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:21,880 Speaker 1: being an artist, is like you immediately take everything personally 466 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 1: like the worst. And also you just assume the worst, 467 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: you know, like if someone gives you constructive criticism, I 468 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 1: always like you almost take it, like you read too 469 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 1: far into it, like they're trying to say all these 470 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: bad things about you or how you have all these weeks, 471 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: like I'll go way down the route hole there. But 472 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 1: if I can get over that, like you said, and 473 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 1: if I can look past that um to the actual 474 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: suggesting that they're trying to give or the truth that 475 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 1: they're trying to tell, then you can take that. And 476 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 1: you don't have to take that as you know, holy grail. 477 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 1: But when you find people who really really get you 478 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: and are truly in your corner and get your mission 479 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,439 Speaker 1: and then are giving you advice and telling you their opinion, 480 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: like my husband or Rick, that that's the best. I 481 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 1: don't think I'll ever mature to the point where I'm 482 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: just like, give me all the bad stuff. But I 483 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 1: do feel myself growing in that even though it hurts 484 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: the same I can also have a little conversation going, 485 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 1: you know, in like twenty minutes you're gonna really value Yes, yeah, 486 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 1: I have that. I just have to go away with 487 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 1: a little bruise ego then come back and talk about 488 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 1: it more. I guess it's it's easier to fight back 489 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: from the bruise because the bruisie goes a great thing. 490 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:42,120 Speaker 1: You have a you have a bruisie go. It's easier 491 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 1: to fight back from the bruise if you know that, 492 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: and if you're smart, like I'm not in an arrogant way, 493 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,639 Speaker 1: but I'm smart, and you're smart like you can you 494 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: can defend yourself really well, and you can justify yourself 495 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,640 Speaker 1: really well and say why you're right. But in the end, 496 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 1: you don't grow that like that. And you know what, 497 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: usually even though presenter of the excellent argument, I'm not 498 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,919 Speaker 1: right right, Like I'll present the argument that I'm right. 499 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:03,479 Speaker 1: No walk away going day he was right, but I'm 500 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: walking away going god, yeah I'm so wrong. Yeah, Or 501 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 1: you're just feeling and secure, yeah, Yeah, that's that's Uh, 502 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: that's cool that you have that with your husband. It's 503 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 1: so cool. Is he creative? Does he have a job, 504 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 1: that's it all creative? No, he loves music. I mean 505 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: he's a huge music fan. He has a great ear, 506 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: and he always says it's great because he has no 507 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 1: idea what he's talking about. So he's like from a 508 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: lay person's perspective, which means he's also not jaded by exactly. Um, 509 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,679 Speaker 1: he's a professional sailor, so he sails boats around the world, 510 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: which is really cool. That means he's probably cultured then 511 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,439 Speaker 1: in an interesting way, very much. So he's lived literally 512 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 1: everywhere like Middle East, Australia, Africa, Asia. I want to 513 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 1: ask you a question about one of your songs. I listened. 514 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,400 Speaker 1: We could do this for two hours, just talking about 515 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 1: theory of I'm down. Yeah, Like I feel like we 516 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 1: could just dial in, but I just have so many 517 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 1: questions that when I know you were coming that I 518 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 1: made note to ask first. This maybe a weird question you. Um, 519 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 1: I want to go Mike, play play come in. And 520 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: then I have a question about the clearing the throat clearing. Yeah, okay, 521 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 1: can you play that? Come in? That's all I need 522 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 1: for there, So one more time place coming. Okay, there's 523 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: always a conversation about this after it's recorded, because my 524 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 1: assumption just let me assume for a second and you 525 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: can correct me or not my correct My assumption is 526 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: you're just doing the thing where all right, and then 527 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 1: you start, well, now you have it on tape, and 528 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: do you hear it back and go, you know what? 529 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:37,919 Speaker 1: Somebody to say, who goes that could be cool to 530 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,160 Speaker 1: leave in or the whole time was up the plan 531 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,199 Speaker 1: the ladder. That was actually with that particular song. Sometimes 532 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 1: you get cool accidentals that end up making it. But 533 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 1: with that song, I had actually written it like that, 534 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 1: Like I started like, and I don't know, it's a 535 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,679 Speaker 1: very sassy song. Hello, hello, yeah, I kind of like, 536 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 1: excuse me, yeah, yeah, um, that's a very sassy song. 537 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 1: And I kind of wrote it as a joke, like 538 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 1: very tongue in cheek. It's a very old country lyrical 539 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 1: trope to like take a colloquialism like come in and 540 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: make yourself comfortable and flip it like that's the oldest 541 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,479 Speaker 1: country lyric trick in the book. I love that, and 542 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,440 Speaker 1: so um, when I knew I was writing a song 543 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 1: with that, I just I wanted to make it sassy, 544 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: So that's why I started with the throat clearing. It's 545 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: so funny now because in sound checks, if I ever 546 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 1: go like or whatever, like my whole band going come 547 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 1: in beause we're just so used to it. What do 548 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: you play if I were to put it in from 549 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 1: I'm not saying play at the level that you deem play, 550 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,399 Speaker 1: because there's a difference, But what can I put in 551 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,479 Speaker 1: front of you and you could play a couple of songs? 552 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 1: What instruments? Um, banjo, guitar, dough bro, harmonica and piano, 553 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: the harmonica? What point did you learn to play that? 554 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: I'd say. In my early twenties, I was doing solo 555 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 1: acoustic shows at high schools and colleges all over the Northeast, 556 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,400 Speaker 1: and so I started picking up different instruments to try 557 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 1: to make my show more interesting, because nothing is more 558 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:11,919 Speaker 1: humbling than playing in front of a bunch of like 559 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 1: six year olds and they're like nodding their nose and 560 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: like falling asleep. So I just tried to pick up 561 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: like I picked up the six string banjo first, and 562 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: I um got really into like old blues for a 563 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,119 Speaker 1: while in my early twenties, and UM started playing in 564 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: the open tunings UM and realized that that's the same 565 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,360 Speaker 1: way a banjo's tuned or a doll bro And then 566 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: so it just organically happened. But initially I started picking 567 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 1: up those instruments to try to make my solo show 568 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 1: more interesting. And then when I got really into production 569 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: and came here and did a session with mac mcinally 570 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: and some of the A list players here and saw 571 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 1: the level of musicianship that they have, and I just 572 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 1: got fascinated by knowing everything about production because I used 573 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: to hear records when I was a teenager and be like, 574 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: how the hell did they make it sound like that? 575 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 1: Like it just sounds huge? Like how do they make 576 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,719 Speaker 1: a chorus explode like that? Like what instruments are in there? 577 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 1: It's like eating food and being like what ingredients make 578 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 1: it taste like this? And and so when I got 579 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,520 Speaker 1: really into production and into the natural studio scene, that's 580 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: when I took improving my instrumental abilities more seriously, because 581 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: I wanted to know how the layers fit together and 582 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 1: how to produce. If America was going to say, Okay, 583 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 1: we're all getting together at seven o'clock all of America. 584 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: We're all get together a seven o'clock. We're gonna watch 585 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 1: Caroline playing instrument, and we're gonna critique her. What instrument 586 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: do we correct? Um, probably guitar or piano. Probably guitar. 587 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: Probably guitar. Yeah, because I tall that's what I spend 588 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,479 Speaker 1: the most time on. Do you feel strongly that? Where 589 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 1: would you rate your guitar? Noists? Let's say I'm giving 590 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: your report card overall A through F. What what kind 591 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: of Are you an? Not a roll student? Are you 592 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: an A minus student A plus? Do you mean in 593 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: terms of my work ethic or in terms of my ability? 594 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: I have No, I'm not assigning it in any way. 595 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: I'm just saying we had not a person. Um, are 596 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: you in a No? I wouldn't say not in this town. No. No, 597 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 1: I wouldn't say I'm an a student. Um gosh. If 598 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 1: I'm comparing myself to my heroes, I'd say I'm a 599 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: solid C plus. So she's probably a B plus bordering 600 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 1: a minus because she's also smart enough to know that 601 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: you've got to play down just a little. Well, yeah, 602 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: you definitely don't want to, especially in this town. You 603 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 1: don't want to oversell yourself, that's for sure. I've seen 604 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: you play I think your holiday even even in this town. 605 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 1: I was just gonna see what you would say. That's 606 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 1: very nice. Um, there's so many incredible musicians in this town. 607 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: But other musicians and able say that about you too, 608 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 1: Like they say that you are a great player. Wow, 609 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 1: well that means a lot to me. And and being 610 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 1: in the background band to me, like that's such a 611 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 1: huge seal of validation musically, because I have nothing but 612 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 1: more to learn from each and every single one of 613 00:30:55,480 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: those guys. There not only amazing musicians, but they fit 614 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 1: so well together. They really know how to fit into 615 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: a mix. And actually I've learned so much just this 616 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: year just playing shows with them because I kind of 617 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 1: got thrown in, Like we never rehearsed or anything. They 618 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 1: were just like the first time I played like of 619 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 1: the set with them, they rehearsed a couple of songs 620 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: from their new album, but like of songs they play 621 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,040 Speaker 1: on stage. The first time I ever played it with 622 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 1: them was in front of so what do they say, 623 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 1: just learn it and ride along? Yeah? Yeah, And and 624 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 1: they and I also have like a database of songs 625 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 1: that they might play because they change their set list 626 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: every night, so I kind of had to prioritize, like 627 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 1: They're like, we'll definitely play these songs and then we 628 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: might play these other thirty so I'd be like, okay, Well, 629 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: I remember the first night that they because I knew 630 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: it was coming at some point. They've covered about Heemian Rhapsody, 631 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 1: which is like not a chike. It's awesome, but it's 632 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,040 Speaker 1: a freaking hard song to play and sing. There's lots 633 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 1: of not only tempo changes but key changes. And I 634 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: remember the first night and I was like you you 635 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,720 Speaker 1: got this one? Like are you okay? And I was 636 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 1: like yes, but I um. I was like I knew 637 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: that day was coming at some point, but I kind 638 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: of learned it kind of because I knew that they 639 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 1: played that rarely. They used to play it a lot more, 640 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 1: but it was kind of out of the rotation. But yeah, 641 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 1: so a lot of that. The point that I was 642 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 1: trying to make is that just learning the last year 643 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,800 Speaker 1: because there's eight people on stage, it's full, it's a 644 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 1: full band, like it's a full sound, it's a full mix, 645 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 1: so learning how to fit in, like what part do 646 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 1: I play that I can even be heard, you know, 647 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 1: or that adds a little bit to the song because 648 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 1: they don't really need much if anything. Um, they definitely 649 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 1: don't need me, so um that's been a great lesson 650 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: in production too, and an instrumentation. I was talking to 651 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 1: John Mayer once and he had just started playing with 652 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 1: The Grateful Dead, and he said it was the most 653 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 1: nervous he had been because one he had to go 654 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 1: and learn all these songs. So he took his guitar 655 00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 1: and he went to Montana hold Up and just learned 656 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: all these songs. Him was nervous. His practice was nervous 657 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: as he played with him the first time because it 658 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 1: wasn't his different type of nerve by him screwing up 659 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 1: somebody else's baby instead of his own. Yeah. Well, and 660 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 1: especially because he's filling in for an iconic player with 661 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 1: a very iconic voice, like a very particular voice, and 662 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: and that fan base is is um, very very dedicated. 663 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 1: But I'm comparing this a little bit to you. You're 664 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: not filling in for an iconic player, but you are 665 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 1: with a band who I think is the greatest country 666 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 1: group of all time. And I also think that they 667 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: have fans in a similar fashion that are so dedicated 668 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 1: that if you weren't just up to the elite standard 669 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: that ZBB presents, they would let you know and it 670 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 1: probably wouldn't be fun. Yeah, gosh, that's terrible to think about. Well, I, 671 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: if anything, I'm just overly like I like to over prepare. 672 00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 1: I like to um be really respectful and and um pressure. 673 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 1: Is there pressure that you don't normally have when you're 674 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 1: by yourself when you're playing with them? Is my point? 675 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,839 Speaker 1: Did you feel a different kind of pressure now that 676 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,480 Speaker 1: you are taking care of somebody else's kid not your own? 677 00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 1: Definitely feel a different kind of pressure, But in some 678 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 1: ways I feel like I'm more suited to that. It 679 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 1: pushes me harder. I have to get out of my 680 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 1: comfort zone more as my own artist. Like one thing 681 00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,360 Speaker 1: I know how to do is if someone assigns me 682 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 1: something says learn this, be ready for this, Like I 683 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 1: can do that. I'm really really have a strong work 684 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 1: ethic that way. Um, In terms of the responsibility that 685 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 1: I feel to them and to their fans and to 686 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,480 Speaker 1: the music, I don't know that. I don't want to 687 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,400 Speaker 1: say it just comes naturally to me, Like I I 688 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,759 Speaker 1: will work my butt off to make sure that I 689 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:51,840 Speaker 1: do a good job for that, um like I would 690 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 1: for my own music, like I do for my own music. UM. 691 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 1: So the pressure there isn't as strong as if I'm 692 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 1: ever out front and set are with them, like where 693 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: they're really counting on me for a specific part or 694 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 1: specific performance or something like that. Then I definitely feel 695 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,880 Speaker 1: more nervous, But mostly I would just feel lucky to 696 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 1: be on stage with them, like trying to fit in. 697 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,320 Speaker 1: And it's really actually quite a creative endeavor because like 698 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out how to fit into their 699 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,399 Speaker 1: mix and what I add, like what I can bring 700 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:23,720 Speaker 1: and contribute. You moved during the pandemic to the other country, 701 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 1: New Zealand. Ok yeah, okay it was New Zealand. I 702 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,359 Speaker 1: knew was somewhere, but New Zealand had the crazy strict lot. 703 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 1: So why New Zealand And how did you get in 704 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,360 Speaker 1: and give me that contact? Yeah? This is a great story. Actually, 705 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,239 Speaker 1: So I met my husband during the pandemic. I was 706 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 1: always super career focused, liked percent music like I wasn't 707 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 1: that social, didn't have that many like relationships, never really 708 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 1: dated around and like I said, never thought I would 709 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:55,279 Speaker 1: get married just into my career and I met my 710 00:35:55,440 --> 00:36:00,319 Speaker 1: husband at the beginning of the pandemic, and um, we'd 711 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 1: known each other about six weeks before. He's like, I 712 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 1: have to move to New Zealand for a year to 713 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 1: be in the America's Cup, which is kind of like 714 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 1: the super Bowl of sailing, and they get down there 715 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:15,400 Speaker 1: a year before to train in the place, and um, 716 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 1: all my tours are being canceled. I was supposed to 717 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,400 Speaker 1: tour that ear with various artists and it was all 718 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,319 Speaker 1: canceled and I'm just sitting at home, and so I 719 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,480 Speaker 1: ended up going with him. We were he went like 720 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 1: three or four months, and then I moved and met him. 721 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:30,920 Speaker 1: I didn't know I was moving at the time. I 722 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 1: thought I was going to visit him, but then I 723 00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 1: just never came home for like eight months. And it 724 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 1: was so cool, Bobby, because it was like having a 725 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,319 Speaker 1: gap year when you're thirty, Like it was like being 726 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,879 Speaker 1: suspended in time, Like we didn't have job. I mean, 727 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,600 Speaker 1: he had a job. I was where I was over 728 00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 1: in New Zealand like a tourist, like a kid, like 729 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 1: just having and so in love. I mean, I'm sure 730 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,239 Speaker 1: you can relate, but when you meet your person. It's 731 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,880 Speaker 1: the best feeling in the world. And um, and so 732 00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 1: I went over there. I was able to get a 733 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 1: visa through his team like espousal visa U Yeah, for 734 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:08,319 Speaker 1: his girlfriend of two months. And um, so I went 735 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:09,960 Speaker 1: over to New Zealand, and as you said, they had 736 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:11,799 Speaker 1: a really strict lockdown. I had to quarantine in a 737 00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,440 Speaker 1: hotel for two weeks. And that's when my family and 738 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,719 Speaker 1: everyone was like, Okay, Caroline is in love, Like she's 739 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 1: sitting She's sitting in a hotel room in New Zealand 740 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 1: for two weeks for this guy. Um. And then but 741 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:25,759 Speaker 1: once you got out, there was no COVID, there was 742 00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,640 Speaker 1: no masks, there was no lockdown, there was no cases. 743 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 1: If they had like two cases in the whole country, 744 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,160 Speaker 1: they just shut the whole place down for like a week. 745 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 1: They shut the whole place down. Um. And you know, 746 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,799 Speaker 1: you can argue now in retrospect that maybe that wasn't 747 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,799 Speaker 1: that smart, but at the time it was amazing. It 748 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,080 Speaker 1: was so cool. And New Zealand is Yeah, I've only 749 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,360 Speaker 1: landed there to go to Australia, so I haven't actually 750 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,839 Speaker 1: got to spend time. I mean, it's it's the most 751 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 1: beautiful place in the world where you guys like, yeah, 752 00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 1: so once so Um, they actually got eliminated quite early. 753 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,160 Speaker 1: He's gonna laugh at this conversation. But they got eliminated, 754 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,200 Speaker 1: um from the America's Cup. And so we had two 755 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,720 Speaker 1: months in New Zealand when now he didn't wasn't working. 756 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,600 Speaker 1: So he got a camper and we went around North 757 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,440 Speaker 1: Island and then we went around the South. Did he 758 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,560 Speaker 1: have to stay, Um, No, but nobody wanted to go home. 759 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 1: Pandemic in America and completely understanding what're done, the same thing. 760 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,440 Speaker 1: But if there was like a rule like he kicked 761 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 1: off survivor they don't let you go home yet some 762 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,839 Speaker 1: people know, No, they got they had their visas through 763 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,439 Speaker 1: April through the end of the cup. If they had one, 764 00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:35,920 Speaker 1: it was sad, but it was also good that they 765 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 1: lost because we got to explore and what he said, 766 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:44,479 Speaker 1: it was good they lost, Umbre. That's a good question. 767 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,560 Speaker 1: I don't know, because in some ways he would say 768 00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 1: it was because we got to go He loves surfing 769 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 1: and he got to go surfing for two months. But 770 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,759 Speaker 1: in other ways, obviously he wishes they didn't lose. Um. 771 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,239 Speaker 1: It's a you know, it's an amazing race and amazing. 772 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,399 Speaker 1: Sailing is a really cool, like small niche world that's 773 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,720 Speaker 1: pretty intense, pretty cool. I'm gonna ask you a tough question, 774 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 1: probably the toughest question you've ever been asked. Oh good lord, 775 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,160 Speaker 1: and I would like an answer, and not at one 776 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,759 Speaker 1: big pivot because that happens occasionally, But of all the 777 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,799 Speaker 1: tours you've been on, who has the best catering? That's right, 778 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,960 Speaker 1: the food, the dinner? Okay, well I have to answer 779 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:26,319 Speaker 1: Zack Brown Band, but that's also the truth. M let's 780 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:30,040 Speaker 1: remove the band you're in now, like Kenny, Tim and 781 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:35,480 Speaker 1: Faith uh Juice of the Eagles. Okay, can you believe 782 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:40,120 Speaker 1: that Buffett who had the best when you went? You're like, wow, 783 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,359 Speaker 1: come on this one. I'm talking about right here, all 784 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:46,279 Speaker 1: this food, all the options. I would say Faith and Tim. 785 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:48,160 Speaker 1: I only did a couple of shows with them, but 786 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:52,040 Speaker 1: that was pretty amazing. Honestly, their whole setup was really 787 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:56,239 Speaker 1: top notch, like it was beautiful. Um, but everyone has 788 00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:00,719 Speaker 1: I'm very grateful for everyone's options, but honestly, Zack Brown 789 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,880 Speaker 1: Band has the best. Like they're known for their catering 790 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,800 Speaker 1: even after now that they don't do their eating greats 791 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,239 Speaker 1: anymore but they still have really good food. Yeah, part 792 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,000 Speaker 1: of the brand. Yeah it is, Yeah, that's part of 793 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,080 Speaker 1: the brand. We opened for Garth and he had like 794 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,439 Speaker 1: eleven types of cake and I was like, this is it. Yeah, 795 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,799 Speaker 1: they have They regularly have like three or four or 796 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,360 Speaker 1: five dessert options on zackground. Nothing like when they have 797 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,279 Speaker 1: that many types of cake, you know everything else is 798 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:34,520 Speaker 1: gonna be Yeah. Exactly did you write your own valves? 799 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,560 Speaker 1: I'm always curious about that as an artist and a writer. 800 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,480 Speaker 1: Did you write your own vows when you getting ready? Yeah? 801 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,879 Speaker 1: We wrote them the morning of we He did too, 802 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:45,680 Speaker 1: he wrote, UM, we kind of eloped. I guess you 803 00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 1: could call it. We had like a wedding window. We 804 00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,640 Speaker 1: never want to have a big wedding, um, and we 805 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:53,880 Speaker 1: had what we called our wedding window. We're like, we know, 806 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,040 Speaker 1: I have this time off. We know we're traveling and 807 00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:00,400 Speaker 1: we'll just feel the fields and get married when its right. 808 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:04,160 Speaker 1: And um, because of the was it the delta I 809 00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,120 Speaker 1: can't remember the last variant, but last year, Um, we're 810 00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,399 Speaker 1: supposed to go out of the country and we ended 811 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 1: up not being able to because we had a New 812 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,160 Speaker 1: Year's Eve show? Was that Brown band? I didn't want 813 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:18,680 Speaker 1: to get stuck. Um. And so we ended up going 814 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,799 Speaker 1: to Colorado, to our friend's house in Colorado, and we 815 00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,160 Speaker 1: got married like on the top of a cliff in 816 00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:28,280 Speaker 1: the snow. So cool. Very last minute, yeah, very last minute. 817 00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,800 Speaker 1: And but it was. It's so funny. People see the 818 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,239 Speaker 1: pictures and it looks like it was like planned by 819 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,880 Speaker 1: like a wedding. It looks so beautiful. Um. But we 820 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,239 Speaker 1: planned it in like two or three days because we 821 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,480 Speaker 1: just said, I if I already had a ring from engaged, 822 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,880 Speaker 1: being engaged, and so I just said, if I get 823 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,040 Speaker 1: him a ring and I got a dress and we 824 00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,759 Speaker 1: just travel with that, we can get married anywhere. Um. 825 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,560 Speaker 1: And so yeah, the morning of he trecked. He and 826 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,560 Speaker 1: a couple of our friends trecked all this stuff up 827 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,440 Speaker 1: the mountain and um, we wrote our valves in the 828 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:03,000 Speaker 1: morning and I was freezing. We had like a like 829 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:07,080 Speaker 1: a stand up tent where because we had to um, 830 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,239 Speaker 1: not snowshoe, it's called skin. We had to skin up 831 00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,560 Speaker 1: the mountain to get there. There's like no road. Um, 832 00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,480 Speaker 1: it's not like a long It was like fifteen minutes, 833 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,440 Speaker 1: but in all our snow gear. And then I had 834 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,479 Speaker 1: to change into my wedding dress in like this stand 835 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,719 Speaker 1: up tent the talentan mountain, and then because we knew 836 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:23,680 Speaker 1: once I put that on, like the clock was taking 837 00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:27,400 Speaker 1: because it was like twelve degrees and so I just 838 00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,880 Speaker 1: was so cold, just shivering and crying and shaking and 839 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,680 Speaker 1: sobbing my way through my vows. But it was really beautiful. 840 00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,200 Speaker 1: It was really special, and it was just it was 841 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:40,279 Speaker 1: me and him and three other people. And that really 842 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,480 Speaker 1: does sound great. You're like, oh, it's called it sounds great, 843 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,040 Speaker 1: it sounds like a Really it was beautiful. It was 844 00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,399 Speaker 1: so beautiful. I wouldn't have done it any other way. 845 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,439 Speaker 1: And he's a real like he has a real heart 846 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:53,279 Speaker 1: for adventure. So having it be very last minute and 847 00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,560 Speaker 1: we didn't it was very d I y, and so 848 00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,120 Speaker 1: it's very special to us. You do a show similar 849 00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,200 Speaker 1: to this where you talk about music and song writing, 850 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,640 Speaker 1: who do you like? Who have you spoken with? And 851 00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:05,719 Speaker 1: you leave and you go, why, I really am not 852 00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,960 Speaker 1: that I didn't expect, you know, just not enjoying it, 853 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,760 Speaker 1: but I like, wow, look at this, this is actually 854 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,680 Speaker 1: a lot of fun. Like who was the most unexpected 855 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:18,200 Speaker 1: positive I wouldn't say she was unexpected, but At the 856 00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,759 Speaker 1: time that I spoke to her an interviewed her, I 857 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:22,520 Speaker 1: didn't know about her as much as I know now. 858 00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:27,120 Speaker 1: M Amanda Shires. She's so talented and she's a really 859 00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:31,520 Speaker 1: really deep, smart person. Um. I love talking to her. 860 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,440 Speaker 1: But I love like I could talk about this stuff forever. 861 00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:38,320 Speaker 1: I love talking to artists and musicians and intellectuals about 862 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:42,120 Speaker 1: this stuff. Um. I love podcasts, like long form podcast 863 00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,399 Speaker 1: I'm so glad that that's a that's a commercial art 864 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,319 Speaker 1: form now because I just I can listen to those 865 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,480 Speaker 1: all day. Yeah. Same, It's almost like I need it 866 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,760 Speaker 1: in two ways, ten seconds for an hour and twenty minutes, 867 00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:55,319 Speaker 1: and I don't want anything anymore. Don't want a seven 868 00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,920 Speaker 1: minute thing. I need it quick like a TikTok or 869 00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,680 Speaker 1: I want a long form podcast that I can just 870 00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,319 Speaker 1: spend time and invest Isn't it fun? Like I'll go 871 00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:03,759 Speaker 1: for like a hike or something to just turn on 872 00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,040 Speaker 1: like a two or three hour podcast with someone that 873 00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,480 Speaker 1: I really respect or I'm interested in, and I'm just 874 00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:10,000 Speaker 1: on the edge of my seat the whole time. I 875 00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,160 Speaker 1: just so I love that stuff in the same way too. 876 00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:14,719 Speaker 1: You feel like you have a relationship with these people 877 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,560 Speaker 1: because you spend so much time with them. I mentioned 878 00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,120 Speaker 1: social media, and what's that called that? Para social relationship. 879 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,080 Speaker 1: The same thing with listening to a podcast, Like I 880 00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,240 Speaker 1: have a podcast that I listened to. I've never met people, 881 00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,960 Speaker 1: but I feel like I know them and they're my friends. Yes, 882 00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:29,640 Speaker 1: well that's how I feel about you. That's how I 883 00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,600 Speaker 1: feel about lots Zane Low or folks I listened to 884 00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:36,480 Speaker 1: I think are just amazing interviewers. And the same with artists, 885 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,080 Speaker 1: Like when artists really open up their chest and are 886 00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:43,279 Speaker 1: human on these podcasts, it's so refreshing. Say the name 887 00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:48,880 Speaker 1: of your last record antipoties, See you're smart. Most people 888 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,160 Speaker 1: try to say and they're like antipoets. I wasn't gonna try, 889 00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,040 Speaker 1: but I knew no one would say it right, and 890 00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,000 Speaker 1: I knew no one would know what it meant. I mean, 891 00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,920 Speaker 1: that was kind of part of the appeal for me. 892 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,880 Speaker 1: Antipoity is is a term for basically New Zealand, Australia 893 00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,520 Speaker 1: for the opposite side of the world. My mom's Australian, 894 00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:09,600 Speaker 1: so I'm half Australian and um, obviously New Zealand is 895 00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,320 Speaker 1: really special to me and my husband, especially with that record. 896 00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,480 Speaker 1: I wrote and recorded a lot of it there. How 897 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,120 Speaker 1: did you record it there? Did you do like a 898 00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,880 Speaker 1: little track situation or did you go into us? We 899 00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:25,160 Speaker 1: did both, UM, and we were zooming with my engineering 900 00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:30,279 Speaker 1: producer here. Um you can, yeah, I mean it's pretty 901 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,040 Speaker 1: high tech, like the way that we ended up working 902 00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:37,360 Speaker 1: it out. UM. My engineer UM is kind of a ninja, 903 00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,440 Speaker 1: and he worked it so we had like zero latency. 904 00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:43,560 Speaker 1: He could hear everything latency from that far and play 905 00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:45,279 Speaker 1: PlayStations on Buddy down the Road. Well, we had to 906 00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:49,040 Speaker 1: use like three PlayStation We had to use like three 907 00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,240 Speaker 1: or four different Um. Obviously we were recording through proachels, 908 00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,239 Speaker 1: but we were recording there, so the approach like the 909 00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:59,360 Speaker 1: DW was there, and then through zoom you could talk 910 00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,439 Speaker 1: like in a HIM. But then we had this other 911 00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,560 Speaker 1: thing going called audio movers where you could listen in 912 00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:07,480 Speaker 1: real time with little to no latency. There were there 913 00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:09,440 Speaker 1: were there was a lot lay. Yeah, it sounds like 914 00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,080 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of. You know, what would be 915 00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,959 Speaker 1: cool is if you because again, if you can record, 916 00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:15,800 Speaker 1: Let's say we'd record here and sometimes I do the 917 00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,000 Speaker 1: show from here and some of the other guys are 918 00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,960 Speaker 1: in their studio or I'm in another state, right, I 919 00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:21,879 Speaker 1: travel a lot the do the show at the radio show, 920 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,960 Speaker 1: and you know, even though there's a little bit of latency, 921 00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,239 Speaker 1: but we can work from two different places and hear 922 00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:29,839 Speaker 1: each other. But it would be cool if musically there 923 00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,520 Speaker 1: was some sort of translator. And maybe there is where 924 00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:34,960 Speaker 1: you can play a note and it understands it and 925 00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:36,719 Speaker 1: it doesn't have to actually send the note again, send 926 00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:41,120 Speaker 1: the data from the note and the the tone through 927 00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:45,080 Speaker 1: you know, ones and nose to the other. And maybe 928 00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,200 Speaker 1: that's a thing where you can translate music from far away. 929 00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:51,040 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not a tech head to the degree 930 00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:54,799 Speaker 1: that you're discussing now. I have endies and engineers who 931 00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,000 Speaker 1: are who could answer that question much better than I can. 932 00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,640 Speaker 1: I know you can't physically play with no latency with 933 00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:03,400 Speaker 1: someone else in another state or country yet, as far 934 00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,880 Speaker 1: as I know, And someone correct me if I'm wrong. Um, 935 00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:11,160 Speaker 1: but what you're talking about is basically like what Middy is. 936 00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,040 Speaker 1: You know, where you play a note and it recognizes 937 00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:19,160 Speaker 1: it um and interprets it in a computer. So I'm 938 00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:23,480 Speaker 1: sure that we're getting to where you're getting to the 939 00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:25,839 Speaker 1: place that you're talking about. I just don't think we're 940 00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,200 Speaker 1: there yet. Like, you definitely can't play with no latency 941 00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,000 Speaker 1: with someone else or sing with someone else with no 942 00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,440 Speaker 1: latency yet. That would be because though you're actually send yes, right, 943 00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:35,720 Speaker 1: you can't. But that would be because you're actually sending 944 00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:42,799 Speaker 1: that tone data translation that is almost instantaneous. That would 945 00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,080 Speaker 1: eliminate that. I have no idea to invent that, but 946 00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,640 Speaker 1: I we've got to be close to that. I don't either, 947 00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,600 Speaker 1: Like I'm trying to think if middy is the way 948 00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,319 Speaker 1: to do that, or if MIDDI creates latency. What if 949 00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:56,359 Speaker 1: we invented like the ultimate recording technique people all around 950 00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,839 Speaker 1: the world in real time right now? Well, I'm sure 951 00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:00,880 Speaker 1: some of your listeners can answer some of these questions 952 00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:05,640 Speaker 1: better than none of them. None of them can. There's 953 00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,160 Speaker 1: at least two people I know I'll call after this 954 00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,560 Speaker 1: and see what's possible. I do want to play a 955 00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:12,840 Speaker 1: couple of tracks here, and I know your record came 956 00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:16,279 Speaker 1: out last November. Yeah, yeah, so it's been a year 957 00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,320 Speaker 1: or so before I play a couple of tracks here. Um, 958 00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,600 Speaker 1: what are you doing new Caroline Jones music? Yeah, that's 959 00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:24,280 Speaker 1: that's what I was going to lead up to. What 960 00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,719 Speaker 1: what's the deal. Well, I've been writing a lot. We 961 00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,600 Speaker 1: have two songs done, and I've just been in the 962 00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,640 Speaker 1: last few months I got into another like super creative phase. 963 00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,920 Speaker 1: It's so funny how it comes and goes. Um. But 964 00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,279 Speaker 1: I've been really really inspired. I've been writing a lot 965 00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:40,600 Speaker 1: by myself. I've been co writing a lot in town 966 00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:46,560 Speaker 1: um and Yeah, I'm gonna hopefully finish out at least 967 00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:50,000 Speaker 1: an ap, hopefully a record um December January when we're 968 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,439 Speaker 1: off the road, and definitely come out with a new 969 00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:57,920 Speaker 1: song by January February and new music by hopefully spring. 970 00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,080 Speaker 1: Let me play a couple of little Because of legal rules, 971 00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,560 Speaker 1: we only play five seconds. Now we get I know, 972 00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:05,759 Speaker 1: what would you do? Make a speed it way up 973 00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:11,239 Speaker 1: like a whole song track? Eight is what have you 974 00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,000 Speaker 1: wanted to play a little bit of this one? Look 975 00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:21,000 Speaker 1: at you and then give me number twelve. Everybody's rebble 976 00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:29,520 Speaker 1: till they fall in love. Okay, so I went super 977 00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,600 Speaker 1: Tom Petty. It does not to Tom Petty. It does 978 00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:39,720 Speaker 1: feel kind of like we play that again. The drums. 979 00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:42,160 Speaker 1: The drums sound very Tom Petty. Yeah, they you know 980 00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,160 Speaker 1: near Zy who played on it in Gus my engineer 981 00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:50,680 Speaker 1: they really nailed that, like seventies eighties breezy drums sound, Um, 982 00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,560 Speaker 1: everybody's reble till they fall in love? That's you. Yeah. Yeah, 983 00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:58,520 Speaker 1: did you write that with anyone else? So you write 984 00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:03,080 Speaker 1: that about you? In your perspective? And did you feel 985 00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:04,719 Speaker 1: like you were that rebel and you were never going 986 00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:08,680 Speaker 1: to fall in love? Yeah? I still feel like that sometimes. 987 00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,319 Speaker 1: I still can't believe I'm married. Um. Yeah, that song 988 00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,439 Speaker 1: is just poking fun at myself because, like I've told 989 00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,960 Speaker 1: you several times during this interview, I never thought I 990 00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:19,920 Speaker 1: would get married, never thought I would settle down. I 991 00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:21,799 Speaker 1: just thought it'd be a musical gypsy my whole life. 992 00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,160 Speaker 1: And I truly thought that my career and my job 993 00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,239 Speaker 1: and how dedicated and committed I am to it just 994 00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:29,960 Speaker 1: didn't allow for a partnership. And I'm so glad I 995 00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:31,799 Speaker 1: was wrong. I mean, I just had no idea what 996 00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,680 Speaker 1: a partnership could be. Um. But that song basically just 997 00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:36,480 Speaker 1: pokes fun at myself for all the things I said 998 00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,359 Speaker 1: I would never do that I came around. I relate 999 00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,480 Speaker 1: to that on so many levels. Same. Yeah, it was like, 1000 00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:43,120 Speaker 1: you know what, because I didn't ge married tells forty 1001 00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,440 Speaker 1: never had a really serious relationship, and I was like, 1002 00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:47,839 Speaker 1: you know, I've had a sacrifice a lot, and I'm 1003 00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:49,520 Speaker 1: cool with that. I'm just gonna keep sacrificing because I 1004 00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,680 Speaker 1: want to be the greatest at what I do. And 1005 00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:52,960 Speaker 1: I thought, I don't know if I have the capacity 1006 00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,279 Speaker 1: for it because I'm so dedicated to this. And also, 1007 00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:56,759 Speaker 1: I don't know if you felt like this, but I 1008 00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:02,120 Speaker 1: was terrified that I would promise someone something more than I, 1009 00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:05,000 Speaker 1: like in my heart, could really give. Like I really 1010 00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:06,840 Speaker 1: thought that I had to give so much to my 1011 00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:10,360 Speaker 1: music and my artistry that I would disappoint someone else 1012 00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,840 Speaker 1: and and that they would have all these kind of 1013 00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,799 Speaker 1: unmet needs and expectations. And I'm really scared of I 1014 00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,920 Speaker 1: was scared of that. Um. But like I said, I 1015 00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,600 Speaker 1: was just dead wrong. I just didn't know what partnership was. 1016 00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:24,200 Speaker 1: You know, I've been pretty good about that part. I 1017 00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,239 Speaker 1: thought the same thing. Pretty I just disappointed her in 1018 00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,080 Speaker 1: other ways now that I never disappointer you know, so 1019 00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:35,239 Speaker 1: many other ways. Who knew? Who knew? Okay, so the 1020 00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,600 Speaker 1: rest of the year, are you out? Was that, yeah, 1021 00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:39,920 Speaker 1: we're out. We're kind of wrapping up now, and I 1022 00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:43,440 Speaker 1: have a few of my own shows left, um, and 1023 00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:45,399 Speaker 1: I'm going out for a little bit with Home Free, 1024 00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,840 Speaker 1: which will be fun. But yeah, it's kind of wrapping 1025 00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:51,080 Speaker 1: up now. We've been touring since April, so it's been 1026 00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:54,160 Speaker 1: a long tour. Retired or do you get home enough 1027 00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:57,560 Speaker 1: to catch up in the middle more the ladder, Like 1028 00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,000 Speaker 1: I get home a good amount, but I would say 1029 00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,360 Speaker 1: their pockets where I get really Like the last ten days, 1030 00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,600 Speaker 1: the what crushed us was a couple of privates that 1031 00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:09,640 Speaker 1: we booked that like, I just kept having to fly 1032 00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,200 Speaker 1: across the country that kind of crushed me. I mean 1033 00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:19,520 Speaker 1: we were in um Arizona, Atlanta, Colorado, Seattle, Montana. Like 1034 00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,279 Speaker 1: it was just crazy. So I would say this week 1035 00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,399 Speaker 1: has been really tiring because then you come home and 1036 00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:27,759 Speaker 1: all the rights and all the meetings and all the 1037 00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,160 Speaker 1: good stuff here in Nashville that I want to do 1038 00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:32,759 Speaker 1: that I've scheduled for the one week I'm home, then 1039 00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,799 Speaker 1: you're like straight into it. Um. But as I tell 1040 00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:39,000 Speaker 1: tell my manager, like I've only ever dreamed of being 1041 00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:42,440 Speaker 1: this busy, So I feel really lucky. That's so funny 1042 00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:43,799 Speaker 1: you say that. I talked about how lucky and to 1043 00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,080 Speaker 1: be this tired all the time. It's like I've always 1044 00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:47,719 Speaker 1: wanted to be this tired. Yeah, I just want to 1045 00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:50,160 Speaker 1: make sure. I just want to make sure I'm able 1046 00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,680 Speaker 1: that if a schedule like I always want to be 1047 00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:55,440 Speaker 1: able to give my best. I don't want to ever 1048 00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:57,000 Speaker 1: be at a place where I'm so strung out that 1049 00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:58,560 Speaker 1: I feel like I can't give what I need to 1050 00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:00,440 Speaker 1: give To hit the brakes. I had to hit the 1051 00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,879 Speaker 1: brakes because of that same thing. I'm lucky I haven't 1052 00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:04,640 Speaker 1: had to do that yet. But I'm sure you're way 1053 00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:06,440 Speaker 1: busier than I am. You're way more talented than I am. 1054 00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,520 Speaker 1: I mean, that's what it is. There's a difference here. 1055 00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:19,120 Speaker 1: We actually have skills. You guys, follow Caroline at Caroline Jones. UM, 1056 00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,080 Speaker 1: I encourage you to go check out a record which 1057 00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:22,680 Speaker 1: I wouldn't say because I knew I wouldn't say it 1058 00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:24,840 Speaker 1: right and I want to cool enough antivities I hear you. 1059 00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:29,360 Speaker 1: I'm still not gonna walk down it, but it's spelled 1060 00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:32,880 Speaker 1: antipodes in case you guys, and we'll put it up 1061 00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,120 Speaker 1: in the notes here for this. UM, I really like 1062 00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:37,680 Speaker 1: to sell Matt from Old Dominion. Thank you so much. 1063 00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:41,600 Speaker 1: That's a really special that's my nixt story so many. Yeah, 1064 00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,000 Speaker 1: so I hope you guys are going to check check 1065 00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,200 Speaker 1: it out. And you know, back in the old days, 1066 00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,000 Speaker 1: three months ago, we could play a lot more music 1067 00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,839 Speaker 1: on this can we might until the music cops came 1068 00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:54,000 Speaker 1: and said, really, what was the process for that? Well, 1069 00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:57,640 Speaker 1: it's been a slow like illegal. So it's been a 1070 00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,320 Speaker 1: slow change over the last two or three years because, 1071 00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:02,960 Speaker 1: as you know, the digital spaces a while west until 1072 00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,440 Speaker 1: it's not and all the laws, the sheriff's come into 1073 00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:07,720 Speaker 1: town and all these areas of in the digital world, 1074 00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:11,400 Speaker 1: and so you can't put on demand music in a 1075 00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:14,200 Speaker 1: place like if I wanted to listen to your music, 1076 00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:15,360 Speaker 1: I have to go somewhere I have to subscribe to 1077 00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:17,200 Speaker 1: it being on demand. But if I put it on 1078 00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,000 Speaker 1: this where you get it for free and you just 1079 00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:20,799 Speaker 1: skip for it and you can cut it out. So 1080 00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,400 Speaker 1: mostly it's that you can't put things up that people 1081 00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,680 Speaker 1: have to pay for. But is that the idea because 1082 00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:29,200 Speaker 1: this podcast is monetized or is it because like on 1083 00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:33,080 Speaker 1: social media, that's all it is. It's just they they 1084 00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:37,920 Speaker 1: pay music royalty rights for those songs. And the difference 1085 00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,439 Speaker 1: for this used to be that we could say we 1086 00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:46,360 Speaker 1: were what was the teritorial editorial because we're news and 1087 00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:50,080 Speaker 1: that doesn't even work anymore. Got it. Well, that's actually 1088 00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,960 Speaker 1: my biggest I don't want to say fear, but my 1089 00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:57,120 Speaker 1: biggest concern about the future of country music and for 1090 00:54:57,160 --> 00:54:59,480 Speaker 1: this town is like how the Hecker songwriters gonna get 1091 00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:04,600 Speaker 1: paid in five ten years, like and because as other 1092 00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:08,719 Speaker 1: types of media take precedence over radio or are as 1093 00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:12,279 Speaker 1: influential as radio, because that's how songwriters make money. And 1094 00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:15,000 Speaker 1: even now it's like so competitive to get a single 1095 00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:19,279 Speaker 1: for a songwriter. Um, I just wonder, like songwriters are 1096 00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:23,000 Speaker 1: the entire backbone of this whole industry that is country music, 1097 00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:26,720 Speaker 1: and I just wonder. I just I know there's people 1098 00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:28,400 Speaker 1: out in the front lines trying to make it happen. 1099 00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,960 Speaker 1: But like the fact that songwriters don't get paid properly 1100 00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,240 Speaker 1: for streaming and like is mind blowing to me. That's 1101 00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:37,480 Speaker 1: a big one. I have friends that go and testify 1102 00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:39,839 Speaker 1: and they go to d C, and I mean, it's 1103 00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,360 Speaker 1: going to happen. It's just you think you think it 1104 00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,440 Speaker 1: already would have m right. I think it has to 1105 00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,640 Speaker 1: happen because honestly, how to all these there's thousands, there's 1106 00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,560 Speaker 1: one thing. There's hundreds of artists whatever, maybe thousands, but 1107 00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:55,920 Speaker 1: there's thousands of songwriters here that all have publishing deals 1108 00:55:56,280 --> 00:56:00,600 Speaker 1: and all rely on this industry to make a living, 1109 00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:02,719 Speaker 1: to like put food on the table and are the 1110 00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:06,400 Speaker 1: backbone of this industry. And yeah, that might downsize a 1111 00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:09,600 Speaker 1: little like labels have or other things have, but they're 1112 00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:12,880 Speaker 1: not really going anywhere. You know, people are always going 1113 00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:15,680 Speaker 1: to write songs here. And I think, yeah, I think 1114 00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:18,040 Speaker 1: they're going to have to monetize streaming. I don't see 1115 00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:22,600 Speaker 1: what argument they even have to not. I think pay songwriters, 1116 00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:28,200 Speaker 1: that the payment comes if the lobbyists are getting paid 1117 00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:32,440 Speaker 1: enough to do the lobbying. You know, I don't think 1118 00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,799 Speaker 1: there's ever anybody in Congress it goes Let's just do 1119 00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:40,120 Speaker 1: it because it's right. That's not, that's not that's not 1120 00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,560 Speaker 1: how really it works. And it's just so it seems 1121 00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:44,520 Speaker 1: like such an I mean, this is like a bigger 1122 00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:47,600 Speaker 1: political philosophical conversation, but like it just seems like such 1123 00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,439 Speaker 1: an easy win for a politician to be like this 1124 00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:52,400 Speaker 1: is right, and it's no skin off my teeth, by 1125 00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,879 Speaker 1: the way, Like what is it do for me either way? 1126 00:56:56,080 --> 00:57:00,600 Speaker 1: You know, yes, I'm on your team completely. But then 1127 00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:03,040 Speaker 1: I also understand where there's a lot of money and 1128 00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,080 Speaker 1: I won't even mention any streaming services because it's all 1129 00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:09,080 Speaker 1: the same where they're like, wait, we don't want to 1130 00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:11,160 Speaker 1: pay any more money than we have to write. And 1131 00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:16,640 Speaker 1: if they can fund wonderful lobbyists or wonderful folks to 1132 00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,120 Speaker 1: actually fight the other, that's all it, it's all, it's 1133 00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:24,200 Speaker 1: it's all bottom lines. I think I'm just too and 1134 00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:27,760 Speaker 1: to listen that way, like, I can't imagine profiting us 1135 00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:30,200 Speaker 1: something that I know other people who are creating it 1136 00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:32,320 Speaker 1: aren't getting paid, Like, I just can't. It's not in me, 1137 00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:34,000 Speaker 1: And I agree with you. It's just how do we 1138 00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:35,760 Speaker 1: find the way because I've been asked to speak on 1139 00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:37,640 Speaker 1: some of these things too, how do we find the 1140 00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:41,640 Speaker 1: way to incentivize them to change it, not because of 1141 00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:43,840 Speaker 1: what the right thing to do is, but how it's 1142 00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:46,200 Speaker 1: going to benefit them? Right, the people making the laws 1143 00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:48,920 Speaker 1: need to know that they're benefiting in some way. That's it. 1144 00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:51,120 Speaker 1: That's it people getting elected or just getting elected because 1145 00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:54,880 Speaker 1: they're only running too, and they're only running, they're only 1146 00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,200 Speaker 1: staying in office to get elected again. So it's how 1147 00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:02,000 Speaker 1: do we incentivize them to make it probor and right now, 1148 00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:06,800 Speaker 1: and also incentivizes streaming services to understand that if there's 1149 00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,320 Speaker 1: no songwriters, there's no songs, you know. I mean, I 1150 00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:12,240 Speaker 1: know that they feel like they have a hold over everything. 1151 00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:14,160 Speaker 1: But actually this brings me to one more question. And 1152 00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:18,080 Speaker 1: I know we're probably out of time, but um, do 1153 00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:21,360 Speaker 1: you are you still interested in getting into politics because 1154 00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:25,040 Speaker 1: that it's samps to wade into. But we need more 1155 00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:28,800 Speaker 1: people who are good, honest people, but it seems like 1156 00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:32,520 Speaker 1: it corrupts so many people. Yes, it's you need people 1157 00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:36,240 Speaker 1: that are good, honest people that don't need the political 1158 00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:41,080 Speaker 1: system to want to be in politics, which is it's rare. Yeah, 1159 00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:44,240 Speaker 1: and so and it is so gross right now that 1160 00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,600 Speaker 1: I really felt like I had a chance to do 1161 00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:50,480 Speaker 1: it this coming up November when the election was last year. 1162 00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:54,440 Speaker 1: But it's it's so disgusting and I don't claim to 1163 00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:56,440 Speaker 1: you mean, like just by like dipping your toe in 1164 00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,240 Speaker 1: the water, you kind of saw things that you really awful. 1165 00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:01,600 Speaker 1: And it's all just money too, It's always it's just 1166 00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:04,400 Speaker 1: raising well that's what's so tough, all of it. And 1167 00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,280 Speaker 1: then once you get enough money, it is it's vile. 1168 00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:11,200 Speaker 1: So um, you're right because by definition, even to get 1169 00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:14,080 Speaker 1: to a place where someone where you're on a ballot, 1170 00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:18,000 Speaker 1: like you have to raise and spend and kiss, but 1171 00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:21,240 Speaker 1: to get so much money and even that is corrupt, 1172 00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:23,320 Speaker 1: that's all it is. And then all the people you 1173 00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,880 Speaker 1: got money from, okay, well they expect something because they're 1174 00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,480 Speaker 1: not just giving you money to to go be a 1175 00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:32,000 Speaker 1: good guy. Some might. So you need someone that doesn't 1176 00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:35,400 Speaker 1: need to run for office, to actually run for office, 1177 00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:37,439 Speaker 1: and who wants to run for office but they don't 1178 00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:40,000 Speaker 1: need to run exactly. It's like Bloomberg, like he he 1179 00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,080 Speaker 1: was a really smart guy, like he's pretty centrist, like 1180 00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:46,479 Speaker 1: great head on his shoulders, and he just couldn't get 1181 00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,720 Speaker 1: and he just wasn't polarizing enough, like he wasn't extreme 1182 00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:53,560 Speaker 1: enough for everyone. It's and that's also how you cut through, right. 1183 00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:56,840 Speaker 1: It's like if you want to be on c An Inner, 1184 00:59:56,840 --> 01:00:00,880 Speaker 1: Fox News or pick any they don't care about moderates 1185 01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:04,040 Speaker 1: because moderates don't get clicks. And these are actual news organizations. 1186 01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:06,440 Speaker 1: But when I say actual news organizations, they have to 1187 01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:09,360 Speaker 1: make money. They have to profit off of ads, and 1188 01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:11,440 Speaker 1: how do you and they're competing with social media, and 1189 01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:14,160 Speaker 1: to make money off ads is by getting a number, 1190 01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:15,880 Speaker 1: by getting a rating point. And how do you get 1191 01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:18,960 Speaker 1: ready point? You put on polarizing figures. And when when 1192 01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:21,800 Speaker 1: we have these conversations, I just feel like sometimes I 1193 01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:24,480 Speaker 1: just feel like, oh my god, we're screwed, Like our 1194 01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:27,120 Speaker 1: culture is so screwed up. Because it is, it's so 1195 01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:30,800 Speaker 1: messed up, and everybody knows it, but it's it's very 1196 01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:34,360 Speaker 1: entrenched in a lot of systems. It's oh yeah, you 1197 01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:38,240 Speaker 1: know everywhere. Um My only hope is that as I 1198 01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:40,120 Speaker 1: and it is funny how we'll go back to this 1199 01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:42,360 Speaker 1: and will end on this, is that as I talked 1200 01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:45,040 Speaker 1: about the cyclical nature of country music and people going, 1201 01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:47,120 Speaker 1: well that it's not country, that's not country. That happens 1202 01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:49,000 Speaker 1: over and over again. The same thing happens in politics. 1203 01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:50,080 Speaker 1: I mean, you can look at you a norm war. 1204 01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:52,200 Speaker 1: You could look at where there were times like now 1205 01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:54,560 Speaker 1: where people are like, this is the worst ever been 1206 01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:56,760 Speaker 1: and it s proably the end of it is the 1207 01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,680 Speaker 1: end of the world. And it's been so many times. 1208 01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:02,640 Speaker 1: You could go through there four or five things in 1209 01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:04,480 Speaker 1: America has been around that long. It seems like to 1210 01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:06,960 Speaker 1: us it has been. But no it hasn't not compared 1211 01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:11,200 Speaker 1: to others. We'll call them civilizations, um empires. However you 1212 01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:13,960 Speaker 1: want to define the link that we've been here seven 1213 01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:17,080 Speaker 1: you know, not very long, a couple years. We've had 1214 01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:19,560 Speaker 1: four or five of these that come back around. But 1215 01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:21,720 Speaker 1: we're like, this is it, this is the end um. 1216 01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:23,920 Speaker 1: You can go the wars, you can go Vietnam, you 1217 01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:27,640 Speaker 1: can go with all of this. But what happens is 1218 01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:33,280 Speaker 1: every so often, somebody or something a very for the 1219 01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:39,240 Speaker 1: use of this conversation, a centric force seems to rise. 1220 01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:44,400 Speaker 1: It could be something positive or negative and brings people together. 1221 01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:47,360 Speaker 1: Negative will nine eleven. We were all on the same 1222 01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:51,800 Speaker 1: team for a little bit positive the Rock. But I'm 1223 01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:53,880 Speaker 1: just saying it could be it's that it's going to 1224 01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:57,840 Speaker 1: take something unexpected. It's gonna be some someone that is 1225 01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:00,240 Speaker 1: kind of unsuspecting that's going to happen to them, and 1226 01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:04,280 Speaker 1: they've got a responsibility or something, and that's a metiaor 1227 01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:06,640 Speaker 1: coming down falling at Earth. I do feel like this 1228 01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:10,080 Speaker 1: young generation is more aware in some way. I agree 1229 01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:14,800 Speaker 1: environment and you're right about the cyclical nature. Like my dad, 1230 01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:17,200 Speaker 1: that's what he basically does for a living, is like 1231 01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:21,920 Speaker 1: look at big systems and long arcs of things, and 1232 01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:23,880 Speaker 1: and he always says that he always gives me the 1233 01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:26,680 Speaker 1: forty ft few because it's true. Things just come and 1234 01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:32,320 Speaker 1: go and come around again. And human nature and country music. Yeah, 1235 01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:35,520 Speaker 1: nature and country Caroline. I've enjoyed this, Thank you very much, 1236 01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:37,480 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I could have done another hour 1237 01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:40,960 Speaker 1: me too. I would love to at Caroline Jones. You 1238 01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:43,920 Speaker 1: guys follow her on Instagram and TikTok and see her 1239 01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:46,320 Speaker 1: out with ZBB. But really, when you get we get 1240 01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:48,360 Speaker 1: your new music, let us know, well, do you get it. 1241 01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:50,560 Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear it. And it's been a 1242 01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:52,520 Speaker 1: real treat to spend this time with you. Thank you 1243 01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:55,400 Speaker 1: so much. You guys, go follow Caroline at Caroline Jones