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Speaker 1: Spesifical Studies. Yeah, both of you, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: And I guess I guess we should start with talking

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Speaker 3: Yes, so Milton Kindergarten is a multi month study of

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Speaker 3: of things. Essentially, what we're doing is we're using one

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Speaker 3: We're you know, distinctly trying to spread the word about

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Speaker 3: also teach people about a specifismo, which is an anarchist

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, Okay, so we've covered a spacifismo

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Speaker 3: so we will also be releasing those this year as

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Speaker 3: part of our kind of monthly publishing that we'll be.

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Speaker 1: Doing so for people who are interested in this, When

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Speaker 2: It starts on January thirteenth and it runs till April

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Speaker 2: twentieth of next year, twenty twenty four, and we're going

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Speaker 2: to be holding the sessions on Saturday two to four

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Speaker 2: pm in Pacific time in US, which is not the

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Speaker 2: greatest time for everybody, but it's where most of us

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Speaker 2: on the West Coast, and the best way to get

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Speaker 2: an email specifies most studies at gmail dot com, and

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Speaker 2: that's the way to sort of start the enrolling process.

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Speaker 2: You just need to take the one on steps, send

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Speaker 2: us an email and we'll get you signed up in

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Speaker 2: all the materials and zoom link and all that stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we'll put the email in the description. You

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Speaker 1: have probably links to the website too, I think. On

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Speaker 1: that note, unless you have anything else that you want

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Speaker 1: to say or plug.

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Speaker 4: No, I think that's it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good Brett. I would like to see people there.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be an interesting year. I can guarantee that. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: we're yeah, like the literal year twenty twenty four. Who

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Speaker 2: knows what's going to happen, and even kindergarten is going

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Speaker 2: to be pretty interesting. We've had a lot more people

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Speaker 2: contacting us than last year, so it's going to be

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Speaker 2: a pretty big and diverse group. So it'll be interesting

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Speaker 2: to see kind of what everybody's able to produce out

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, maybe another thing just to say real quick,

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Speaker 3: We you know, will be developing other seminars and things

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Speaker 3: be able to make to all the sessions, like, don't

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Speaker 3: worry about that either. That's part of why we do

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Speaker 3: this every year is that we expect that, you know,

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Speaker 3: working people without a lot of time will need more

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Speaker 3: So we expect people to need to kind of be

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Speaker 3: cobbling together a few sessions here and there for several times.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, you're definitely welcome to do that, and shouldn't

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Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, it's a sort of an endurance study group.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, we don't want anyone burning themselves out. Just

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Speaker 2: do what you can start together and together.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like it's going to be a great program,

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Speaker 1: And yeah, excited to see what comes out of it,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, if you want, if if you want to

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Speaker 1: get your theoretical stuff in before fighting season presumably starts

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Speaker 1: again around the election. Yeah, now is the time. It's

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Speaker 1: gonna be really chaotic for the next like long time.

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Speaker 1: So this is this is your opportunity now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll need some good ideas to arm ourselves with. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: this one it's gonna be rough. Yep.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, on that note, this has been naked happened here.

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