1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to you stuff you should know from house stuff 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm 3 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:17,479 Speaker 1: Josh Clark, There's Charles w Chuck Bryant, there's Jerry. I 4 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: predicted this will be the best podcast of the new year. Man, 5 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: I don't know about that one, and I think that 6 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: prediction is coming true. And the first month when Gray 7 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: Filled the Sky, the recorders of Gobbledygook hit high water mark. 8 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: It's a little on the nose for Nostre Damas. Actually 9 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,880 Speaker 1: it's I should have been even more vague, like way vaguer. Yeah, 10 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: that was like explicit for him. Yeah, because no, stredamis 11 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: used to like to just basically take concepts and words 12 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: and put them together and pretend like they were going 13 00:00:56,240 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: to happen. Yeah, no, Stredomas snort a little nutmeg. I Um. 14 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: When I was a younger person, I realized like from 15 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: this and esp that, uh, I was into some pretty 16 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 1: cool occult stuff. Read lots of books about ghosts and 17 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:15,479 Speaker 1: things like that. Meet you a little bit. And then 18 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: now it's like an older person like I wanted to 19 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:21,199 Speaker 1: go to Duke University to study parasychologist. I was into 20 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: like that kind of way. And then now as an 21 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: older person, I'm like, and some of the things I 22 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: used to believe just do a faith palm here there, 23 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: Like for example, we got into real science, and that's 24 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: usually what happens. Yes, so the pseudoscience is kind of 25 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: fade away and once you start educating yourself. Well, we 26 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 1: shouldn't say parasychology is necessarily as pseudoscience. It's not. We're 27 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: here to poopoo. No stradomas, not esp paras psychology in general. 28 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: But for instance, you were I remember not only believing, 29 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: but frequently saying, dude, no stredamus. He had to be 30 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: exu oomed once, like at the church he was buried at. 31 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: They were like expanding and they had to exume his 32 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: grave and they opened his casket and he was holding 33 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: a tablet that had the day they exhumed him. I 34 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: thought that was real. I thought that really happened. When 35 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: I was a slightly younger man. That's awesome when you 36 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: are in your late twenties, right, Yeah, I remember I 37 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: didn't read up on stuff like this, but I was 38 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: a big fan of like literary moys in search of 39 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 1: and TV shows that kind of dabbled in the fringe 40 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: and what's wrong with that? Nothing, There's nothing wrong with 41 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,799 Speaker 1: enjoying that kind of thing, liking it, been wondering if 42 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,679 Speaker 1: possibly some of it could be real. Nothing wrong with 43 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: the exploration, right, But the key to keeping egg off 44 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,959 Speaker 1: your face as much as possible is to doing research, 45 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 1: especially when a claim is very extraordinary, really look into it, 46 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: Like had I had I looked around, had the Internet 47 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:02,519 Speaker 1: been invented yet, and I looked around, and I probably 48 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: would have found somewhere some entries saying like that is 49 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 1: absolutely not true. Well, that's one of the Internet is 50 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: one of the big reasons, I think, because before that 51 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: was around, you know, it's you'd have to go search 52 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: out a book that was written, including Nostradamas in the 53 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: card catalog, and uh, it was just a lot harder 54 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: back then, you know. Yeah, But the Internet is a 55 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,119 Speaker 1: double edged fiber optic line. I mean, there's a lot 56 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: of sites out there that I mean, No Stredamas has 57 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: gotten probably even more popular and even more play since 58 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: the Internet was invented, you know. Yeah, So let's talk 59 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: about this guy. Let's try to separate the man from 60 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: the myth and really get into who No stre Damas was. 61 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: Because he was a lot more than a crack pot 62 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: writer of vague predictions. That's true. He was. One of 63 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: the tough parts is though, is that there are so 64 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: many disagreements about his biography, even Um I didn't find 65 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 1: that necessarily. Yeah, I saw one guy wrote a book 66 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: at him that said he wasn't even a doctor. Oh, okay, 67 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: that is a disagreement. Yeah, well let's go ahead and 68 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: go there then. Okay. So he was supposedly born in 69 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: fifteen oh three. No, not true. In France, he was 70 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: born Michelle de Nostre Dame. He became Nostre Damis because 71 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: he latinized his name after he graduated medical school, which 72 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 1: apparently was custom at the time. That's right. But when 73 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: he was born he was Michelle de Nostradam. Yeah, and 74 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 1: he was his family was educated and they believed in education. 75 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: So he was from an early age an academic in 76 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 1: a traditional sense. Um, nothing wacky right out of the gate. Well, 77 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:41,479 Speaker 1: his grandfather um instructed him as when he was a 78 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: younger man, taught him languages and kind of sparked his 79 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: interest in all sorts of different topics and all things learning. Yeah, 80 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 1: and do you remember when we did the Inquisition UM 81 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 1: episode where there are a lot of Jewish people who converted, 82 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 1: but just converted in name only. Apparently Nostra Damis his 83 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: family was one of those. Oh so that wasn't a 84 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:06,359 Speaker 1: genuine conversion supposedly not Again, it could be myth, it 85 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: could be whatever. Because he was on good terms with 86 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: the local inquisition uh and the local church officials for 87 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: most of his life. So I guess either they didn't 88 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 1: suspect him, or they he had a pass. I don't know. Oh, 89 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: that's interesting, that makes sense. Uh. He studied a straw no, 90 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, astrology um, which was UM at the time, 91 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: respected well respected as a science and um and supposedly 92 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: his fellow astrologers thought he was full of it. His 93 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: contemporary astrologer pals Well, one of the things that he 94 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 1: did was he studied and this would play out throughout 95 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: his Uh well, I would say his career as a predictor. 96 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 1: But he really just wrote the book, the Centuries book, 97 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 1: which we'll get to. But he studied astronomical patterns that 98 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: coincided with historical events. That's astrology. Well yeah, but he 99 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,599 Speaker 1: he would basically use those to predict the future of it. 100 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: Like by some accounts he didn't even say that he 101 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: was a prophet. He said, I study history, and basically 102 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: history repeats itself, and so I'm going to use the 103 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: stars and when these things line up pattern wise in 104 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: a certain year in the future, this may happen again. Yeah. 105 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: So I'm that's like real astrology. Yeah, we should do 106 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 1: an episode on that. Yeah, I've been thinking about that 107 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: one for a while. This one, well, the the article 108 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 1: we have like almost like spits in the middle. It's 109 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: so one sided and skeptical. It's just a picture of 110 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: a big lube, right. But I looked into Um, I 111 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: looked into it and like, there's the It's fascinating what 112 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 1: they used to believe in all of the holes you 113 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,279 Speaker 1: can punch in it, you know. But um, it's a 114 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 1: pretty We should do that for sometime. Yeah. I had 115 00:06:57,640 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: my chart done one time, like for real by my 116 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: friend's mom, and um, I remember looking at it and 117 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: thinking like, wow, that's a lot like me. Yeah, it's 118 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: pretty accurate. But and even even remove that last part, 119 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: the amount of thought and effort in what it's based on, 120 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: in the ancient tradition of it and everything that in 121 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: and of itself is fascinating, you know. And then you 122 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 1: can get into we're totally doing astrology at some point. 123 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: But um, so what he was doing was astrology. Apparently 124 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: where he ran a foul of his fellow astrologers was 125 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: to make predictions of how something would come about. Rather 126 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: than the next time Venus is in the seventh House 127 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: of Mars and a cat catches fire, um, the there's 128 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: gonna be an earthquake something like that, he went further 129 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: and like made predictions about you know, what was going 130 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: to set this off, and like where the people involved 131 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: we're going to come from, and like um, and then 132 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: he was very very vague. So all of that added 133 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: to the astrologers disdained for him because he gave him 134 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: a bad name pretty much because they were all right 135 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: exactly uh so uh he left home, supposedly in uh 136 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: to study medicine legit medicine and became a physician. Most 137 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: people agree that he became a professor in a physician 138 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: in southern France, and apparently it was pretty good doctor 139 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: uh at treating plague victims. He's very ahead of his time. Yeah, 140 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: even though he lost his wife and son, I'm sorry, 141 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: his children to the plague and yeah, and that had 142 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:42,319 Speaker 1: a big effect on his life. Obviously, he basically sent 143 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:44,959 Speaker 1: him on the road for a decade um, which is 144 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: where he kind of came up with this uh plan 145 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: to write this book. So he um he was he 146 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: was a progressive doctor in that like he prescribed sanitation practices, um, 147 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: he prescribed fresh air. Um. He also apparently came up 148 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,319 Speaker 1: with a rose hip lozenge to help cure plague, mild 149 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 1: cases of plague, and that actually makes sense because rose 150 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: hips are packed of vitamin C. So he was a 151 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: pretty good doctor and had a good record. And from 152 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 1: that he lived in this village with his wife and 153 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: children and had a patron who basically supported the family. 154 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: And then once his wife and children died, he couldn't 155 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: cure them. His star really fell in this village. And 156 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:30,079 Speaker 1: about the same time, he also had a pretty good 157 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: sense of humor. About the same time, they were raising 158 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: a statue of the Virgin Mary in the local church, 159 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: and he thought it was the ugliest thing he'd ever seen. 160 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: And he was making a comment on the artist's abilities, 161 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: not the Virgin Mary, but he said, these guys are 162 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: casting demons, like basically saying, that's a really ugly Virgin Mary. Well, 163 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: the artist didn't like this and turn him into the 164 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: Inquisition and that's about the time when he ended up 165 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 1: on the road. Yeah, and he went all over Europe. 166 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: Um just uh. Basically he was described as sort of wandering, 167 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 1: but he did meet another woman, uh and get remarried 168 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 1: on his wanderings, I think towards the tail end of 169 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: his wanderings about eight years later, and moved to Salon 170 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: uh in France, and then he started kind of getting 171 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 1: his uh, getting his act together in in a in 172 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: a real way to publish. Like he he he said, 173 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna put together this book of prophecies. 174 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: I've been messing around, I've been kicking the idea and 175 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna do it. So we'll talk about what 176 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: came out of that. Right after this, So Chuck Nostre 177 00:10:54,960 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: Damas is settling down in Salon Salon, Yeah, selectives and 178 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 1: um he is deciding to put his awesome thoughts down 179 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: into quatrains that's right, into a book called the Centuries. 180 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: But at the time he just called it the Prophecies. Yeah, 181 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: the Prophecies of Michelle Nostradamis. I think when did they 182 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: rename it? Um, I think after his death. Yeah, And 183 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: apparently the centuries had nothing to do with time, but 184 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 1: it was in the structure, the organized structure of the 185 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: book itself, because there a thousand quatrains dreds for some reason. 186 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: So that's the centuries. And it wasn't it wasn't chronological 187 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:41,439 Speaker 1: or anything like that. No, And it was, um, it 188 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: was a It became a huge sensation due to a 189 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: few things. Um. One, simply enough was that the printing 190 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: press was a recent invention and books were a big 191 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: deal now, you know, like widespread books like there was 192 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 1: now something could literally be a best seller for the 193 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 1: first time. So it aligned in that way. And another 194 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 1: is that he just sort of fit the dark times. 195 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: It was a book for and of its time, with 196 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,439 Speaker 1: all his dire predictions. It was you know, when the 197 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: Catholics and Protestants were warring and there were all kinds 198 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: of people saying the end of the world was coming, 199 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: and it was just it was basically put out right 200 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: at the right time and widespread because of the printing press. 201 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: And then Queen Catherine de Medici of France was a 202 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: really superstitious queen, and um, he predicted her husband Henry 203 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: the seconds death, yeah, pretty specifically for once. Yeah, but 204 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: we'll poke holes on that too. Um, And it happened 205 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 1: a few years later, and so she invited him to 206 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 1: the court, which was like the most popular court in 207 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 1: Europe at the time, and so he got a lot 208 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: of attention there. So he was sort of like a 209 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 1: big uh writing superstar of his day because of all 210 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:01,839 Speaker 1: these things. All yeah, I mean, like he wasn't one 211 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: of those posthumously honored authors like he was celebrated during 212 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: this time. Supposedly he met some monks on the road 213 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: once and um correctly said that one of them was 214 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: going to be the next pope. Bam case salved No 215 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:22,679 Speaker 1: Astronomicus is the real deal, because that supposedly happened. So um, 216 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 1: he had like a whole whole jam going where he 217 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 1: would retire in the evenings and um, he would concentrate 218 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: on maybe a fire, the flames of a fire, yeah, 219 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 1: or he would take a bowl with some herbs or 220 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: something in it and just zone out on those, try 221 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: to read the herbs. Like you said, I don't know 222 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: if he was doing lines of nutmeg, but he was 223 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: ingesting nutmeg most likely, yeah, which could be hallucinogenic, right, 224 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: and he had to have been rich to just be 225 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 1: doing nutmeg, you know, um, because they had just discovered that. Um. 226 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: And he would just kind of zone out. He would 227 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: apparently he got help from an angelic figure, that's what 228 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 1: he says, and then he he would just see the future. 229 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:11,319 Speaker 1: It would come to him. The thing is is no 230 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: str Damas. These prophecies didn't come to him, all convoluted 231 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 1: and kukie and however he put them, he understood exactly 232 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: what was going to happen. Well, he supposedly convoluted them 233 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 1: on purpose to avoid persecution during his lifetime. Yeah, that 234 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: is supposedly what he told his son from a second 235 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: marriage that, yeah, doing all this on purpose. And um, 236 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: because they will, you know, string me up as a 237 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: heretic because I'm so you really accurate, they will find out, 238 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: which I mean at the time, it was a genuine concern. 239 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: So it's it's not like this is just a preposterous 240 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: claim on no stredamss part. It's just that for skeptics 241 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: of no Stredamas, it's just one more venient little thing 242 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: because if you read the quad trains, they make almost 243 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: no sense in all sense. Simultaneously. Yeah, depending on whether 244 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 1: you're reading them on their own or whether you're trying 245 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: to look at them in context. Well, yeah, well we 246 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: might as well go and talk about that. That's one 247 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: of the big reasons you can poke holes in it 248 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: is because there were even experts say, it's hard to 249 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: find two copies of this book that are the same. Yeah, 250 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: because it was translated, you know, hundreds of times. It 251 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: was the early printing presses were you know, they weren't 252 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: super accurate, and they would if the printer maybe didn't 253 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: know exactly what he meant, they would say, well, I 254 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: think he meant to actually have an apostrophe here, and 255 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: in Middle French, that apostrophe could completely change the meaning 256 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: of the word um. So beyond that confusion and the 257 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: translation confusions, there are, like you said, there are many 258 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: different ways to enter for something, and if something didn't 259 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: come true, you could probably find a version out there 260 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 1: of it that supports whatever you think he predicted. You know. Yeah, 261 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: there's a pretty good example that people give of a 262 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: translation problem um after nine eleven, which we'll talk more 263 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: about in a second. They some some quatrain of or 264 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: I guess an assemblage of no sudamisis quad trains were 265 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: kind of bandied about his proof that he predicted it right. 266 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: One of them was there would be smoke in the 267 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: new city. Well, in his actual text in the centuries 268 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: he wrote Villaneuve Vienneuve, which means in French the new city, 269 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: But it was also a city in France at the 270 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: time that he was probably talking about. So there's a 271 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: lot of translation and interpretation that can come together and 272 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: really lead to a misunder standing. If there is even 273 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: such a thing at all with Nostre Damas. Can you 274 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 1: misunderstand him? I don't think it's possible. Can you misunderstand 275 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: what's not understandable? Yeah, Well, since we're talking about interpreting, 276 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 1: we might as well go onto the famous Hitler prediction. 277 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: Beasts ferocious with hunger will across the rivers. The greater 278 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: part of the battlefield would be against into a cage 279 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:26,760 Speaker 1: of iron. Iron will the great one be drawn from 280 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 1: the child of Germany? Observes the man. I wouldn't I 281 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: hope we added some effect to that, Jerry, Yes, vocal effects, Yeah, 282 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 1: something menacing maybe, or maybe we should do like clown music. 283 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: Um so histor this was has long been looked at 284 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: as the prediction of the rise of Hitler. Yeah, he 285 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: says Germany in there. Yeah, it's Germany and histor Um. 286 00:17:56,280 --> 00:18:00,679 Speaker 1: But histor was actually the lower Danube River, and so 287 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 1: most people, um or skeptics would say, well, he didn't 288 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: say Hitler, he said Hstor since that was a place, Um, 289 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: that's probably what he meant. Or he would have said Hitler. Yeah, 290 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: it's kind of a miss right there. Um some people say, well, 291 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:22,719 Speaker 1: Hitler was born around the Danube, so he still met Hitler. 292 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 1: That's exactly the point is that people will find a 293 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 1: way to interpret it if they choose to. But the 294 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: Nazis still use this to their advantage. They actually dropped 295 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:40,439 Speaker 1: pamphlets containing this prediction onto France from plains because they 296 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: wanted to scare them, like, hey, even Nostradama said we're coming, 297 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 1: and we're coming, and it worked. I guess it did 298 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: for a while. So there's basically the if you're a 299 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: skeptic of Nostradamus, you say, Okay, first of all, he's 300 00:18:56,560 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: not really saying anything or anything crete, right, And a 301 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,920 Speaker 1: believer of Nostre Dams would say, well, he even said that, 302 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: you're not supposed to get it. Unless you're one of 303 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 1: the enlightened, few can happen to be one of them. 304 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 1: It's not for this time. It's for people far from 305 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:16,360 Speaker 1: now to understand. And so the skeptic that's arguing wild 306 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 1: sigh and then say, okay, um, here's the thing though, 307 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 1: even if, even if he is saying something like even though, 308 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 1: if there's something clear, he's making a prediction, and it 309 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: does seem to come true if you look at events 310 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: in human history as numbers on a graph. Eventually, statistically speaking, 311 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,919 Speaker 1: one of nostre dams is very vague predictions about the 312 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: rise of a power, a war, an earthquake, something like 313 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: that is going to happen, and maybe something will have 314 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:55,919 Speaker 1: even a couple of predictions that will fit one event, 315 00:19:56,400 --> 00:20:00,200 Speaker 1: like the date might align somehow something because every once 316 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,919 Speaker 1: while he used dates, but for the most part he didn't. Um. 317 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: But if you look at it statistically, yes, even Nostradamis's 318 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 1: predictions are going to come true over a long enough 319 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: period of time. If again, if you read the predictions, 320 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 1: it's hard to say his predictions come true because he's 321 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: not really predicting anything. It's not like he sat back 322 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 1: and said, uh, sometime in the twentieth century, a guy 323 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: with a terrible mustache is going to come to power 324 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 1: and there's going to be a a horrific war as 325 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: a result. Nothing even approaching that. I mean, you read 326 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: what the Hitler prediction was like, it could be anything. 327 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: But even if you have predicted something, if you take 328 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: his predictions as predictions, if you put them over the 329 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 1: arc of time, eventually you're gonna get hit. So that's 330 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: one argument. A skeptical argument against no stredamis yeah, especially 331 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: if you believe um, like most people do, that history 332 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: repeats itself in some fashion over a long enough timeline. 333 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 1: When he himself said that that's the model he used, 334 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: was using the stars to look at past historical events 335 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:09,120 Speaker 1: to predict future events, So it kind of makes sense. Um. 336 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 1: And also some people say these aren't even predictions because 337 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: the prediction is something that you realize before the fact. Uh. 338 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 1: And despite the fact that thousands of scholars have studied 339 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 1: Nostre Damas and millions of people have read him, no 340 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: one has ever pointed out something before it happened. It's 341 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: always afterwards that they go back and see, look, see 342 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 1: here he said this was gonna happen, and it happened 343 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 1: because we interpreted that way. But no one's ever said 344 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 1: stopped anything in its tracks because No Stredamas predicted it 345 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: as an excellent point. You know, it also raises another 346 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 1: argument against um nostre Damas, and that the people who 347 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 1: follow no streams, like you said, it's always the interpretation 348 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: is always after the fact, and allegations of shoehorning occur 349 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 1: where basically you make something fit, you've shoehorn it in 350 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 1: to the cont x and in doing so you cherry 351 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 1: pick stuff that makes sense and you ignore stuff that 352 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: doesn't make sense. Yeah. In fact, I think this article, 353 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: this one line says it best imprecise language lends itself 354 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: well to subjective interpretation. Yeah. I mean, if you throw 355 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 1: something super vague out there, you could come up with 356 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: a hundred different interpretations of it. You know, that's what 357 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:25,679 Speaker 1: poetry is exactly. And you know, uh, despite all of 358 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: these very great arguments, there's still plenty of people out 359 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 1: there who believe in No Stredamas. Almost seems like there 360 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:34,679 Speaker 1: should be a phase in life where you do go 361 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: through believing that No Tredamas is real, because it does 362 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 1: kind of lend some sort of something to life. It 363 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 1: also coincides with being really into Pink Floyd exam it's true. 364 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 1: So um, we'll talk a little more about some of 365 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 1: the people who argue for and against no stre damas 366 00:22:51,440 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: specifically centered around nine eleven. Right after this, okay, Chuck, 367 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 1: nine eleven happened, and almost immediately people said, Nostra dam 368 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:16,719 Speaker 1: has predicted this. Yeah, his sales went through the roof apparently, 369 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: and supposedly his name was Google's more than Usama bin 370 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: Laden or George Bush after nine eleven. Really, that's what 371 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: they say. That sounds like something someone just writes on 372 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 1: the internet exactly, but I believe it. Well, here's why 373 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 1: his star rose again is because this quatrain emerged where 374 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 1: it was like, yeah, that's pretty close to what happened. Yeah. 375 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: I remember hearing it and thinking, oh my gosh, so 376 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: you want to read this one. You're pretty good at reading. 377 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 1: Can we get the sound effect again? Please heep the 378 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: clown music. In the City of God, there will be 379 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 1: a great thunder, two brothers torn apart by chaos, while 380 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 1: the fortress endures. The great leader will become the third. 381 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: Big will begin when the big city is burning. That's 382 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,719 Speaker 1: super specific Yeah. The only thing I don't know if 383 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 1: most people would agree on is calling New York the 384 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: City of God or George Bush the Great Leader. Yeah. Uh, 385 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 1: but the two brothers, clearly those are the two towers. 386 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: The Fortress endures, the Pentagon. Uh, the Great Leader Bush, Yes, 387 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: some people said, and then the third war will begin 388 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 1: when the big city is burning. Well, at least one 389 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,760 Speaker 1: more war. I don't know if it was World War three, 390 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: but a pretty huge couple of wars started up as 391 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,920 Speaker 1: a result. So people are saying, here it is finally 392 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: evidence that shows almost incontrovertibly that Nostre Thomas was the 393 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: real deal. What's the argument against the chuck? Well, it 394 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 1: was made up. Yeah, Nostre Thomas didn't write that. Now, 395 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:54,199 Speaker 1: it was apparently written by um several years ago by 396 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: a guy named Neil Marshall was a student in Canada, 397 00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,920 Speaker 1: and said he was actually using that as a demonstration 398 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: and of what Bunk Nostre Damas was like. I could 399 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,959 Speaker 1: write something like this and people would think he predicted 400 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: nine eleven, and somehow it became something that no stre 401 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: Damas wrote. He actually proved it by writing there and 402 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,720 Speaker 1: then it getting picked up in two thousand one. So 403 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 1: what he set out to do worked perfectly. He and 404 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 1: you have to wait more than four years. So he 405 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:29,239 Speaker 1: basically showed just how um man. I hate to use 406 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: this word, but global people can be when they're reading. 407 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: No stre damas is work because no one checks anything. Dude. 408 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,719 Speaker 1: They see it and they click on it and they 409 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 1: post it to social media and then it's done. And 410 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 1: here's a here's another really good example of that a 411 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 1: little while ago. This still cracks me up. ClickHole you 412 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: know the onions like, uh, BuzzFeed like site? Oh is 413 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 1: that onion? Yeah? I didn't know that, I believe so yeah, 414 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: I'm almost positive I know. ClickHole Yeah, okay, so ClickHole 415 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:04,479 Speaker 1: satirical site of buzzfeedee charts. Um, they released something called 416 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: five Tragedies Weirdly predicted by Adam Sandler, and dude, they 417 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: are so can I read a couple? So, in the 418 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:19,199 Speaker 1: wake of the tragedy, um, apparently people went back and 419 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 1: saw that Adam Sandler, during his early stand up career, 420 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 1: would mutter something's coming to Waco, something dark like during 421 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:32,160 Speaker 1: his stand up show. Is that true? None of this is? Okay? 422 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 1: I thought they just picked apart real things and no, okay. 423 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:41,159 Speaker 1: So car crash that killed Princess Diana. Apparently if you 424 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: go back and watch Happy Gilmore, which was made in 425 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: Sandler looks directly in the camera and says our Queen's eldest, 426 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,959 Speaker 1: the beautiful flower will will under a Parisian bridge. Can 427 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 1: I keep going? So the BP oil spill that happened 428 00:26:56,359 --> 00:27:00,200 Speaker 1: in two in the Gulf, apparently Adam Sandler was on 429 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: Conan O'Brien in two thousand five and he was just 430 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: wearing a T shirt that said BP oil spill. In 431 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: five years the two thousand ten Haitian earthquake, the UN 432 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: estimates that two d two thousand, five hundred seventy people 433 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:22,640 Speaker 1: were killed. Apparently in Adam Sandler's Funny People, he estimated 434 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 1: two hundred and twenty thousand on the notes. And then lastly, 435 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 1: in Malaysia Airlines flight three seventy, Adam Sandler um when 436 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:36,120 Speaker 1: he was operaman, there was a operaman sketch where he says, 437 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:41,679 Speaker 1: I'm missing plane. It's from Malaysia. Makes me insane. This 438 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 1: will all make sense in due time. Here's the thing, man, 439 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 1: people believe that viral. I'm not kidding you. It went 440 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,120 Speaker 1: viral that like somehow Adam Sandler had made all these 441 00:27:56,119 --> 00:28:00,719 Speaker 1: crazy predictions and this is a real thing. Apparently they 442 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 1: didn't announce that when click Bait came out that it 443 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 1: was a satirical site that bp oil spill and the 444 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: teachers pretty good. Um, well, let's get into some of 445 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: these then. Uh. First of all, to further the nine 446 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:20,880 Speaker 1: eleven thing, there were a couple of um other quatrains 447 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,199 Speaker 1: which have been cobbled together to try and support the 448 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 1: nine eleven thing. Um. But like I said, they weren't 449 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 1: as he wrote them. They like would combine things, which 450 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 1: is just silly because that goes against everything that he 451 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:37,400 Speaker 1: was saying was each quatrain is its own thing. Uh, 452 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: one of them century ten Quatrain seventy two. Uh. The 453 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 1: year seven months from the sky will come the Great 454 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 1: King of Terror to resuscitate the Great King of the 455 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: Mongols before and after Mars reigns. By good luck. That 456 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: last part sounds like it's from a fortune cookie. Um 457 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 1: that before nine eleven, back in nineteen ninety nine, some 458 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: people for he was for telling the end of the 459 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 1: world would be on July. And I remember this happening, 460 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 1: and I remember it being a big deal. There was 461 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 1: like genuine concern from some people, like some stores and 462 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: France had like closeout sales. There was this one um 463 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 1: French designer who like canceled his big uh. He was 464 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 1: a big believer and he canceled this big show. And 465 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: of course it didn't happen, and then it was recalculated 466 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: and everyone said, no, no, no no, no. It was this 467 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: supposed to be July twenty four. If you read it 468 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: this way, it means August eleven, and of course the 469 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: world didn't and then either August. How do you get 470 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: August eleventh from seven months in the ninet Well again 471 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 1: it was there were some different translations that maybe we're 472 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: different enough to ye. But then that one was also 473 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: used for nine eleven, was repurposed for nine eleven, right there, 474 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: like he was this close, yeah, a couple of years off. Well, 475 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 1: they combined that one with Century six Quatrain ninety seven, 476 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: which says, at forty five degree reason, this guy will 477 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: burn fire to approach the great new city. In an instant, 478 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: a great scattered flame will leap up when one will 479 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: want to demand proof of the normans. What is that 480 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: last thing? I'm not sure that's the thing, Like you 481 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 1: can't just pick part of it and then discount the 482 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 1: rest and say that, you know, he was wrong on that, 483 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: But that's exactly what people did. Well they did because 484 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: Um several quatrains referred to an anti christ figure called Mabus, 485 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: and if you rearrange the letters, it could be Usam 486 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,320 Speaker 1: b and so people use that as proof. But they 487 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 1: also didn't they failed to mention that previous to that, 488 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 1: they used it as Saddam, like up to the day 489 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: before even yeah, they were saying it was Saddam Hussein 490 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 1: was Maba's because maybe it's spell backwards a su bomb 491 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 1: kind of a reach if you ask me, it is well, 492 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 1: in that forty five degrees part of the quad trains, 493 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,360 Speaker 1: some people said that New York cities around forty degrees 494 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: five minutes north latitude, so that's close. But again he 495 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 1: was said the new city UM will burn at forty 496 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 1: five degrees Villanueva or vienneuve Um is that about forty 497 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: five degrees latitude? So it could just be interpretation. I 498 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 1: don't know who's really at fault here. Is it nostre damas? 499 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 1: Is it the people who UM just blindly accept no 500 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 1: damas predictions? Is it though, because Nostre Damas purposefully obfuscated 501 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 1: his stuff. So I think he's a little bit responsible 502 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 1: for this too. I imagine since he has that great 503 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 1: sense of humor. It made fun of that one guy's 504 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: statue of the Virgin Mary. He is sitting in his 505 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: coffin holding a plaque with some future date when he'll 506 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 1: be exhumed. His laughing and laughing maybe. Uh. We mentioned 507 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 1: Henry the second he predicted his death. Um this quatrain, Uh, 508 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 1: the young lion will overcome the old one on the 509 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: field of battle in single combat. He will put his 510 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 1: eyes in a cage of gold two fleets one than 511 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 1: to die in a cruel death. So that means two injuries. 512 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 1: And this actually happened. King Henry was in a jousting competition, 513 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: but it wasn't on the field of battle. It was 514 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: a friendly. It was a party basically. And Uh, Captain Montgomery, 515 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 1: who was younger, the younger lion did joust hit hit 516 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 1: him in the in the eye and through the throat. 517 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 1: So the two injuries supposedly from one. Yeah, but that 518 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 1: was all that his his wife de Medici, Queen Demanici, 519 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: needed to know. She was like, you know, Holy crap. 520 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 1: This has come true and he knows what he's doing. 521 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 1: John F. Kennedy, The Challenger, the Great Fire of London. 522 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 1: People have said that he's predicted all these things. But 523 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 1: we could sit here all day poking holes in the 524 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 1: you know that, not that we're poking holes, but other 525 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 1: people have poked legitimate holes. I think we poked a few. 526 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: Well yeah, but I mean it's all been from other 527 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 1: people's stuff. That's true. You know, I didn't do my 528 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 1: own whole poking. No, we should probably say we'd never 529 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 1: begrudge anybody that believing in something like that or enjoying 530 00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: like I don't think behind it or anything like that. Yes, 531 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: you can go out dump all your stocks and sell 532 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 1: your worldly possessions, or you cancel your big fashion debut. Yeah, 533 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 1: that's all that just hurt you. Although that may have 534 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 1: hurt the fashion world. Yeah, you probably had it the 535 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 1: week after. You want to hear something crazy about the 536 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: day before September eleven, this group called The Coup. They're 537 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 1: a rap group out of Oakland. They're pretty awesome. They 538 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 1: were releasing their album I can't remember what's called. I 539 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 1: want to say, like party Time or party Fever, party 540 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: something and um, like the day before they and it 541 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 1: had the the guy Boots Riley, who is like the 542 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 1: m C for the group. It had him like standing 543 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 1: there pressing a button in the twin towers were coming down, 544 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 1: like blowing up. They were going to release it like 545 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 1: the day before. It was scheduled to release in September 546 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,439 Speaker 1: two thou one, and then nine eleven happened. They're like, well, 547 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,680 Speaker 1: let's change the cover. And that's why you've never heard 548 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:18,319 Speaker 1: of the coup I wonder Actually, yeah, well they were 549 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 1: getting kind of big right around that time. The album 550 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,800 Speaker 1: had like good buzz around it, and then yeah, they 551 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 1: just went away. They're still around them. Well, all the 552 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 1: all the entertainment that was released around that time notoriously suffered. Yeah, um, 553 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:36,360 Speaker 1: I can't remember what movies in particular, but yeah, exactly, 554 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 1: there are a lot of things later around the people 555 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 1: are like, well, we've released it right before nine eleven, 556 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,880 Speaker 1: so we were you know, we were doomed, but it 557 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 1: was a movie. Who cares, you know. So if you 558 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 1: want to know more about in Nostro Damas, you can 559 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 1: go look this up on how Still works dot com 560 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,320 Speaker 1: by skin in the search bar, or you can just 561 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 1: kind of look around the internet because there is plenty 562 00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,840 Speaker 1: of stuff about that dude on there, and enjoy yourself. 563 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,879 Speaker 1: And since I said enjoy yourself, it's time for listener. Now, 564 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:09,720 Speaker 1: I'm gonna call this um trailer builder. Um. Hey, guys, 565 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,800 Speaker 1: Chuck and Josh or Josh and Chuck, whichever you prefer. 566 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 1: Prefer Josh and Chuck. I think he goes either way. Yeah, 567 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 1: well that's what we kind of settled on, consistent branding. No, 568 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,279 Speaker 1: it goes both ways. We go both ways, all right, 569 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,920 Speaker 1: Chuck and Josh, Josh and Chuck. Hey, guys, I must 570 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,319 Speaker 1: admit that I tried very hard not to listen to you. 571 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 1: I was told by several of my friends that I 572 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 1: absolutely must subscribe to your show. However, is to stay 573 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,920 Speaker 1: at home dad by day to a beautiful three year 574 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 1: old and three month old boys. Very busy small business 575 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 1: owner by night had trouble finding enough time to go 576 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 1: poop let alone indulge in any form of entertainment. 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