Speaker 1: Buleg Cap Podcast special guest in here, the legendary Matt Barnes. Welcome,
Speaker 1: rather welcome, Welcome Man, thanks for having me, NBA veteran
Speaker 1: legendary podcaster, NBA broadcaster personality, he's got hands, the man
Speaker 1: of many talents. Yeah, I appreciate you pulling up man
Speaker 1: for real. Bro. Thank you for having me. Bro. You're
Speaker 1: always one of my favorite players to watch, BRO when
Speaker 1: you were playing, because I always like, look at the
Speaker 1: players who I'm like, Man, I hate watching him, but
Speaker 1: if he was on my team, I would love. I
Speaker 1: just played hard. I mean I was a football player,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I played football growing up.
Speaker 1: I kind of got into basketball late junior highest because
Speaker 1: I kept getting taller and I started taking more serious.
Speaker 1: But I grew up being football, So I just looked
Speaker 1: at myself as like a football player out there playing basketball.
Speaker 1: So I liked the physicality. I played hard, and you know,
Speaker 1: I got fifteen years out of it, so it was cool.
Speaker 1: What position did you play football? Receiver? That makes sense.
Speaker 1: I was nice, not the two min horn. I was
Speaker 1: nice to I led the nation in touchdowns. I was
Speaker 1: all American, like the top receiver coming out of high school.
Speaker 1: Where are you actually, like originally from So born in
Speaker 1: San Jose, lived there for about six seven years, and
Speaker 1: then did the rest of my time from like eight
Speaker 1: to eighteen in Sacramento, and then came down to La
Speaker 1: for u C. L A and pretty much been in
Speaker 1: La ever since. Yeah, so you are a West Coast
Speaker 1: boy for real, for real, Kelly. Yeah, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: so obviously growing up you had to be a Kings fan.
Speaker 1: Chris Webber, So, I grew up a Lakers fan. The
Speaker 1: Magic Johnson you know, showtime in the early eighties when
Speaker 1: I started with My dad liked the Lakers, so I
Speaker 1: grew up really liking them in the forty nine ers,
Speaker 1: and then the Kings came, you know, when I got
Speaker 1: to Sack, you know, the Kings were the team, but
Speaker 1: they weren't very good. So I started, like, I always
Speaker 1: have respect because that's where I was, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of growing up at but you always paid attention. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: But once they got web and and j will First
Speaker 1: and Bib and those are the you know, those are
Speaker 1: the homies, that's when I really kind of started rooting
Speaker 1: for him. So I remember being at UCLA when that
Speaker 1: King's Lakership was going on that was a serious beef.
Speaker 1: That shit was fun in the early two thousands. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's one of like I feel like when we talk
Speaker 1: about like teams that like never got a ring. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: one of the greatest to never win it. I think
Speaker 1: it's like the Kings and the running gun Sons, like
Speaker 1: the seven seconds or Less Sons. One of those Portland
Speaker 1: teams were good. Oh, those Portland teams that even even
Speaker 1: the Pacers teams. Yeah, those the mouse at the Palace here,
Speaker 1: those guys were supposed to be the best team in
Speaker 1: the league. Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. You were like, uh,
Speaker 1: you were kind of like I feel like we were
Speaker 1: just talking a bit off the camera, but you were
Speaker 1: kind of like the veteran that I felt like the
Speaker 1: young dudes really also respected on your teams. Would that
Speaker 1: be there to say, you know, I just I led
Speaker 1: by example, you know what I mean, Like, I played
Speaker 1: my ass off, I'll do anything for the team. They
Speaker 1: know I'm team first, and I treated them like my family.
Speaker 1: So whenever there was smoked on the court, they knew
Speaker 1: I was gonna be in it. Like all the majority
Speaker 1: of the times I got fined, I got fined like
Speaker 1: a lost Probably they said something over like half a
Speaker 1: million dollars in fines. Jesus. It was never me starting something,
Speaker 1: was me coming to the defense of a teammate, the
Speaker 1: only person to paying my files that Marion was cold,
Speaker 1: but everyone else let me take them. Shit, I was
Speaker 1: fucked up. Did you defend somebody? So yeah, man, I mean,
Speaker 1: like I said, I mean, that's just like I said.
Speaker 1: I grew up with, you know, a father that if
Speaker 1: your brother and sister fight, fight, you better fight. If
Speaker 1: they win and lose, you better fight. You're gonna get
Speaker 1: your ass. So are you gonna get your ass whip?
Speaker 1: So that's kind of how I grew up. So I
Speaker 1: just always looked at my teammates as family. It's just
Speaker 1: like whenever it was not that I'm the toughest, baddest motherfuckers,
Speaker 1: but I'm always gonna have just no, I'm always gonna
Speaker 1: have your back, right, what right or wrong, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have your back. So that's just kind of the way
Speaker 1: I played. So you know, when I spoke, I was
Speaker 1: never the star. I was a role player, but I
Speaker 1: was never the star whatever. But you were starting a
Speaker 1: lot of your career, man, But every team I was on,
Speaker 1: you know, like I was a respected voice, Like I
Speaker 1: wouldn't say too much, you know, I pick and choose
Speaker 1: when I spoke. But I was a respected voice beginning
Speaker 1: because I think I just led by example. Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 1: So when you had Kobe's back and you gotta fined,
Speaker 1: he paid your fis as far as ye. The only
Speaker 1: dude that's crazy because I've been watching, like obviously this
Speaker 1: year there was a you' The guy who I can't
Speaker 1: stand right now because of how he's treated my son's
Speaker 1: is Patrick Beverly because he got at your guy CP
Speaker 1: in the back and then earlier this year he later ate. Now,
Speaker 1: I like Pat Bev. I just I don't like everything
Speaker 1: he does, and I don't have to. He says some
Speaker 1: pretty crazy shit too. Yeah, yeah, he says them out,
Speaker 1: he says them atlantic. No, it wasn't really to me.
Speaker 1: It was to to CP, you know. And I'm just thinking,
Speaker 1: like I just didn't like. I feel like media now
Speaker 1: is it's so it's less about you know, kind of
Speaker 1: covering what we're watching and critiquing, and it's more just
Speaker 1: about being disrespectful exactly. I just don't like that, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like, if you know the game.
Speaker 1: There's so much more you can talk about than being
Speaker 1: just straight disrespectful. And it's tough because we do have
Speaker 1: to critique, especially for more players. We have to critique
Speaker 1: people we played with before, of course, and that's part
Speaker 1: of the job. But I feel like you can critique
Speaker 1: without being disrespectful. Yeah, And I just think now, I
Speaker 1: mean that you see guys like Skip Bayless, he's tripping
Speaker 1: right now, and you know, Steven A. Smith has his runs,
Speaker 1: and I just feel like guys like are so disrespectful
Speaker 1: now that players coming in and think they kind of
Speaker 1: have to they have to, like want the guys carry
Speaker 1: that type of energy, But we don't because we really
Speaker 1: lived it. I mean, these dudes that are out here
Speaker 1: doing whatever they do and I respect everyone in their life.
Speaker 1: The talking heads are different than the former player. Man.
Speaker 1: We have a different we have a we have a
Speaker 1: natural leg up. We really lived this, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So I just didn't like the way and
Speaker 1: the crazy part was like we had a little back
Speaker 1: and forth like this is all about ratings, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. ESPN loved it. He was on TV
Speaker 1: like the next six six days. Yeah, they put him
Speaker 1: on and he has stuff to say, like I think
Speaker 1: he's going to be good at it when he gets done.
Speaker 1: I just you know, like his you know, like come on, man,
Speaker 1: we don't need that coming, you know, the way he
Speaker 1: was talking about Chris, and then like I think it's
Speaker 1: obvious there's like a personal vendetta there. I mean, we
Speaker 1: can go back, fine, and it can be that's right
Speaker 1: right right the poorth unless you guys really gonna fight.
Speaker 1: And to me, that's and to me, that's where someone
Speaker 1: like who I love to seeing Paul Pierce on TV,
Speaker 1: but sometimes any time Lebron would get brought up, you
Speaker 1: would just be like, Okay, we get it, bro, Like
Speaker 1: we get it, Like you don't fuck with Lebron. It's
Speaker 1: the first. It's the personal stuff, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And it's just naturally as competitors, that's just how we are.
Speaker 1: But I mean, if you're gonna be on TV and
Speaker 1: and really do with you know what you have the
Speaker 1: capability of doing, you can't be you can be biased
Speaker 1: in kind of like a cool or a funny way,
Speaker 1: but you can't be biased in a hater way. Exactly.
Speaker 1: You can't be a hater. You can't be a hater
Speaker 1: that's some real ship because it's just you know, look
Speaker 1: at the oldhead hat and like, I just don't like,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a whole other direction even going.
Speaker 1: But the kind of like former players, I feel like
Speaker 1: they have to disrespect the guys that are playing now.
Speaker 1: It happens a lot, and it just kind of respect
Speaker 1: the evolution, you know. I mean, I get the money's
Speaker 1: crazy high, and some of these guys, I'm never gonna say, man,
Speaker 1: don't deserve the money. But you know, some of these
Speaker 1: guys get paid a ton of money and don't put
Speaker 1: up the numbers that some of the older dudes used
Speaker 1: to get do by a long shot, and they're getting
Speaker 1: paid and and and you know, again, I think it's
Speaker 1: one of those situations where we have to gritique. That's
Speaker 1: our job. But I think you can, you know, just
Speaker 1: leave the hate out, like there's just no room for you.
Speaker 1: To me. You always want to love and push it
Speaker 1: and courage the next generation to continue to be greater
Speaker 1: and continuing to raise the bar. And if you're gonna
Speaker 1: critique somebody, critique them from a place of like if
Speaker 1: they see that they might be able to take something
Speaker 1: from that to their game. Criticism. It's about being constructed
Speaker 1: because otherwise you're being a dick, Like, really help these
Speaker 1: young dudes out off the court. I feel like they
Speaker 1: can do, you know, especially some of these legends that
Speaker 1: are that are on TV. And I'm not saying, you know,
Speaker 1: all they do is disrespectful. There's times I'm saying, like, damn, bro,
Speaker 1: you used to play a player, say some ship like that,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: I think that the only guy who like I'm not
Speaker 1: everyone looks the other way on because guys like KD
Speaker 1: and there's been a lot of people. But I just
Speaker 1: feel like Charles Barkley is in a space in his
Speaker 1: own where Barkley can just just just sha might get
Speaker 1: some ship. But Charles doesn't give a fuck what you
Speaker 1: Charles don't give a fuck. And I think it's just
Speaker 1: a part of the culture. Now. I don't always agree
Speaker 1: with Charles, but I love the fuck this is me well.
Speaker 1: I think also, Chuck's been doing that job for like
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five years now, so like he's his NBA
Speaker 1: career has almost his broadcasting careers almost as great as
Speaker 1: some people only know him as broadcast you know, and
Speaker 1: but the one thing I love about him is he's
Speaker 1: always been as a player, he was this way, this
Speaker 1: is me, take her to leave it, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So I always you know, respect Chuck. But
Speaker 1: again he's one of the you know people in the
Speaker 1: spaces where when you know, I think something like you
Speaker 1: do you give him a past because it's Chuck, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I think he kind of him
Speaker 1: and yeah, kind of gets a pass. People be on
Speaker 1: Shack's ass too, but I mean a Shack like, what
Speaker 1: can you really say to Shaq? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: So I think there's a few guys that are just
Speaker 1: like they're gonna do what they're gonna do. It's not
Speaker 1: always hating, but it's just you know, sometimes some credise
Speaker 1: ship come at the mouth. But I mean outside of that,
Speaker 1: I just think, you know, we should always try it again, critique,
Speaker 1: but make it ruck constructive, kidder sism, something they can
Speaker 1: adder their life or to their game. Yeah. No, you
Speaker 1: obviously had a fifteen year NBA career When you guys
Speaker 1: were playing, how much did you actually pay attention to
Speaker 1: the talking heads, to the sports talk shows? It was different,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because you got to think.
Speaker 1: I came into the league in the early two thousands,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, So it was maybe like
Speaker 1: the last five or six years it was. It was
Speaker 1: a part of that era. I think I retired to seventeen,
Speaker 1: so the wave it kind of already hit. But now
Speaker 1: it's you know, it always continues to evolve. But you
Speaker 1: hear it. I mean, no matter what anyone says, you
Speaker 1: hear everything. And I remember getting a chance to interview
Speaker 1: Kobe on our show and we asked him, you know,
Speaker 1: because he was criticized so much as like, you know
Speaker 1: what what criticism hurt the most? He said, all of them.
Speaker 1: It's like I heard all of them, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. So and someone is locked in and focused
Speaker 1: on what he's supposed to do, Like, no matter what
Speaker 1: a player says, he hears it everything. Yeah, and they
Speaker 1: take it in. I think, I think that's anybody, right.
Speaker 1: But see I used to be the opposite. Like I
Speaker 1: used to be the guy that would you know, be
Speaker 1: on the table getting stretched or getting treatment before the
Speaker 1: game and looking on Twitter for people talking shit to
Speaker 1: me just to kind of motivate amore, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like like use it as kind of like
Speaker 1: a chip where like continue to light the fire, just
Speaker 1: you know, to say fuck you to the haters. But
Speaker 1: it's a lot, man, you know, and everyone kind of
Speaker 1: handles it the way they handle it. But just it's
Speaker 1: a twenty four hour news cycle. They always need news.
Speaker 1: That's why I think the quality of news has gone
Speaker 1: down because it has much of it. It has for sure,
Speaker 1: I think, I mean, of course, not even just sports, yeah,
Speaker 1: in general. And I think too, like you know this,
Speaker 1: probably more than anyone, Like, I think the networks have
Speaker 1: all figured out what generates ratings is these debate shows.
Speaker 1: So as soon as you wake up, you got Nick right,
Speaker 1: and then you got skipping shedded, and then you got
Speaker 1: Collin cow heard, and then you got so it's like
Speaker 1: it's almost like what CNN figured out ten years prior,
Speaker 1: is like, if we just have people on TV arguing yeah,
Speaker 1: no question, it's going to be a lot more better
Speaker 1: for the bottom line than if we actually just have
Speaker 1: people analyzing the game and showing highlights. It's all about ratings,
Speaker 1: that's all. It's about about views, eyeballs ratings. I'm curious
Speaker 1: because I saw you you spoke about what Skip tweeted.
Speaker 1: Obviously DeMar Hamlin is going through it. That was a
Speaker 1: very scary situation as a pro athlete. Yeah, obviously you
Speaker 1: know there's there's risking football. You played football, but you know,
Speaker 1: it was definitely a scary situation. And then the interaction
Speaker 1: between Shannon and Skip on TV today was pretty it
Speaker 1: was it was hard to watch. I just it's it's
Speaker 1: disheartening because you know, as a as a player, I
Speaker 1: used to really like Skip, but I thought his takes
Speaker 1: sometimes or you know, would toe the line. But he
Speaker 1: was good, like he knew what he was talking about.
Speaker 1: But I just feel like, I don't know, I think
Speaker 1: maybe as his celebrity has grown, is his his entitlement
Speaker 1: and his lack of respect for players. His co host
Speaker 1: has just kind of continued just to climb. And I
Speaker 1: felt though, although he said some other stuff in his tweets,
Speaker 1: like it was just an insensitive and an untimely thing
Speaker 1: to tweet out for the world to see at that
Speaker 1: time when this man is literally his heart is beating,
Speaker 1: stop beating twice on the field, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But Skip is smart, you know, so when Skip said,
Speaker 1: you know, how can they think about canceling or whatever
Speaker 1: exact words, were this is so meaningful, but then at
Speaker 1: the end he knew. I was like, yeah, this is
Speaker 1: a little spicy, so let me put you know, everything
Speaker 1: seems so irrelevant right now though, like he knew what
Speaker 1: he was doing. Like you just like again, wrong time,
Speaker 1: wrong place for the tweet. But I think, like I said,
Speaker 1: it's been building up, like the way he disrespects Shannon
Speaker 1: today this morning was Shannon was on his malap But
Speaker 1: like two weeks, a couple of weeks ago, a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago, it was bad. And I made a
Speaker 1: post today talking about like I've had and I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna give up no names, but I've had to put
Speaker 1: out two fires of people currently in the NBA. They
Speaker 1: wanted to whoop skips ass and I had to connect
Speaker 1: dots to to get you know, these kind of phone
Speaker 1: calls handah, because like I said, it's just there again,
Speaker 1: there's a line, there's and and to me he's and
Speaker 1: again he well you know he has a long line
Speaker 1: of you know, respectable work in this business. But again,
Speaker 1: I just feel like of late, it's been crazy, but
Speaker 1: it's just like people are tired of that, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like at the end of these are
Speaker 1: men like you're talking to men that that that that
Speaker 1: that raise their children, you know what I mean, and
Speaker 1: have to you know, walk around in public with you
Speaker 1: just like blatantly disrespect Like, motherfucker's not playing that no more.
Speaker 1: I think too, Like when you know, I think sometimes
Speaker 1: this happens with stephen A because like obviously Skip is
Speaker 1: the biggest personality on that channel. As as by the
Speaker 1: way I treated this the other day, I think it
Speaker 1: was Christmas and stephen A. Smith was on TV all
Speaker 1: fucking day. I was like, this is the hardest work.
Speaker 1: How much money could ESPN be paying this guy? Because
Speaker 1: you know, he's he's he's he's getting it. I'm going
Speaker 1: n happy for Steve. No, he's killing it. He's killing it,
Speaker 1: And I understand. But but I'm from a standpoint like
Speaker 1: I understand Skip, Like Skip has that lane. So it's
Speaker 1: almost like a one up type. How can I keep
Speaker 1: how can I keep on having my name in everyone's
Speaker 1: mouth and being right? You know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: it's just like but I just feel like lately he's
Speaker 1: been in and you've seen times we're just like Shannon.
Speaker 1: I mean, I got a lot of respect for Shannon sharp.
Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot of times where you can
Speaker 1: see he's taking deep breaths and they kind of calm
Speaker 1: down from having to ring this dude's neck on on
Speaker 1: live TV. And you would and and and you know,
Speaker 1: there's times where I really do feel like that they
Speaker 1: have some genuine love for each other. No, Yeah, they
Speaker 1: definitely do. Shannon had a lot of because we had
Speaker 1: him on the show. Not to cut you off, but
Speaker 1: Shannon has a lot, like paid a lot of love
Speaker 1: and respect to to Skip making that show happen, and
Speaker 1: how skips they wouldn't work with no one. So there's
Speaker 1: a lot of love there. Like he's openly said that,
Speaker 1: but I think of late like, to me, it's that
Speaker 1: that that entitled arrogance that he he he he throws
Speaker 1: out there in the one a few weeks ago when
Speaker 1: he was trying to put his glasses back on him
Speaker 1: just like, yeh know, that was fucking crazy, you out
Speaker 1: of your mind? Yeah, like I was seeing a rock
Speaker 1: waller on a chihuahua. Yeah, Like nobody talks like you
Speaker 1: shouldn't talk to anybody like that, man, Like that's that's
Speaker 1: that's your true feelings, you know what I mean. That's
Speaker 1: sposed to be your man right there and and to
Speaker 1: let it happen on TV. Like it just to me
Speaker 1: that that ship that Reeks entitled me, I wonder how
Speaker 1: long that's gonna I always after I saw today, I
Speaker 1: was like, this can't last much longer. I mean, the
Speaker 1: same thing I put the same thing out there. I'm
Speaker 1: just like, you know, portunately, this show, I feel like
Speaker 1: it's going to come to an end because like there's
Speaker 1: only so much that's gonna take, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And Skip is who he is and there and it
Speaker 1: sucks because they're really good. They're great to get a
Speaker 1: really good show. It's they're better than Skipping stephen A.
Speaker 1: To me, they're they're name and name of because remember
Speaker 1: when remember when it was Steven Skip and everybody was like,
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen Skips leaving the Fox? I'll take Shannon
Speaker 1: over and and and skip over over the old first
Speaker 1: take any day, man. I mean, I like, I like
Speaker 1: what Steven A. Smith does. And you know, obviously I'm
Speaker 1: at ESPN, so I got a lot of but but
Speaker 1: just just straight if I'm talking like straight, like if
Speaker 1: I'm a them two right there together, that they're dynamic.
Speaker 1: It's been gold yeah, you know for a while. But
Speaker 1: like I said, I just I think he see Shannon
Speaker 1: sees it, the world sees it like Skip is just
Speaker 1: really really feeling himself on a disrespectful tip of late
Speaker 1: and just I just don't think people are going to
Speaker 1: continue to put up with that. So now you were
Speaker 1: a part of The Jump, which was one of my
Speaker 1: favorite NBA shows of the I mean probably since I've
Speaker 1: been an adult, because it reminds me of like it
Speaker 1: just reminded me like when I was a kid, there
Speaker 1: was like dope NBA shows like Inside Stuff and you know, different.
Speaker 1: It didn't feel like a generic NBA show. And obviously, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, you guys brought Rachel over to Showtime Sports,
Speaker 1: which is where you guys have your podcast. You had
Speaker 1: her on the show. You guys had her back. What
Speaker 1: that was going through that situation and kind of seeing
Speaker 1: your friend go through a situation which you know, the
Speaker 1: cancel culture shit kind of rears its head and their
Speaker 1: context gets thrown out the window. Nuance gets thrown out
Speaker 1: the window. Yeah, I mean, it's it's just unfortunate because
Speaker 1: you know, you you're you're in the business in the business.
Speaker 1: It's a dirty business, you know what I mean, And
Speaker 1: when you kind of know, when you find out what happened,
Speaker 1: it's just like oh ship, damn, you know, and and
Speaker 1: then there's proof of that's how it happened, but it
Speaker 1: still got played out a whole nother way, just like damn.
Speaker 1: That's you know, it's it's a cold game. But you know,
Speaker 1: for any of you guys, go check out that Rachel
Speaker 1: Nichols episode on All the Smoke on Showtime YouTube and
Speaker 1: it'll just kind of show you, well, you guys cut
Speaker 1: a lot out too, Am I wrong? Because it was
Speaker 1: kind of short? Yeah, no, it was. It was you know,
Speaker 1: it was crazy because you know, obviously you know my
Speaker 1: thing is, you know, I'm also employed by You're on
Speaker 1: both sides. I mean, so I'm mumbo. So it's not
Speaker 1: like I'm ever going to play a corporate type role.
Speaker 1: But if it's just like I can't show that I'm
Speaker 1: like on like hosting, I can't let you just throw dirt,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, because that makes it reflection on me. So
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm gonna keep business, but I'm also
Speaker 1: gonna keep it real. And I had a lot of
Speaker 1: love for Rachel, you know what I mean. But you
Speaker 1: know what was crazy was I had to talk to
Speaker 1: some ESP people after that, and it wasn't nothing like crazy.
Speaker 1: It was just more you know, kind of give us
Speaker 1: a heads up. But I felt like, you know, if
Speaker 1: if if Rachel's truth, if her telling her truth on
Speaker 1: my show was going to cost me my job, there,
Speaker 1: I would have took that right because that's how to me,
Speaker 1: how dope she was, how opening she was, how how
Speaker 1: important and instrumental she was to me and stacked in particular,
Speaker 1: But guys like t mac paul, all these people like
Speaker 1: she really kind of just really showed us the ropes
Speaker 1: on that on that jump show, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So once I found out like what really happened, was
Speaker 1: just like damn, this is this is sticky. But at
Speaker 1: the same time, like I feel like I got to
Speaker 1: let my sister talk and if it's going to cost
Speaker 1: me much was dope, which was dope because a lot
Speaker 1: of people wouldn't do that. Yeah, if it's going to
Speaker 1: cost me my job, it's going to cost me my job.
Speaker 1: But you know, to me, her truth is important because
Speaker 1: she's a good person, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: we're definitely happy to have her over at you know,
Speaker 1: Showtime now, which is dope. You know, we're continuing to
Speaker 1: build a beautiful little ecosystem over there with her, Kevin Garnett,
Speaker 1: Paul Pierce, you know myself, Stack. You know, we got
Speaker 1: guys coming in and out. So we got t Max,
Speaker 1: so we got AI. We got a lot of cool
Speaker 1: little like I said, like if if if if uh
Speaker 1: companies played like pickup games with like talent, our ship
Speaker 1: would be over like we got. Yeah, you guys got
Speaker 1: all these Hall of favors. It would be crazy if
Speaker 1: you guys actually got like, yeah, let's run run vershow
Speaker 1: I'm playing the show Time so ESPN, you know Verse,
Speaker 1: Showtime or Fox or whatever it was. So you know,
Speaker 1: Perko average five points a game for ESPN money. You know,
Speaker 1: if per can get up and down the court, big fellow,
Speaker 1: you know what I I mean. He just tore his squad
Speaker 1: from slipping and everything, so he's he's getting healed up.
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Speaker 1: me ask you this working with Paul Pierce when he
Speaker 1: went live, because I was watching that shit would he
Speaker 1: went live? And it was it was amazing, It was
Speaker 1: it was amazing because I was like, because I remember
Speaker 1: like being like twenty one twenty two DJ and Scott Steale.
Speaker 1: Paul Pierce would always be at the club, having himself
Speaker 1: a good time, great guy, like but I remember is
Speaker 1: great energy, great energy. But I just remember seeing that
Speaker 1: ship and being like this is the This feels like
Speaker 1: if the Boondogs was on right now, they they would
Speaker 1: somehow parody Paul Pierce being at like being at a
Speaker 1: house party with strippers. All has fun, all has fun,
Speaker 1: you know, but it's just like it takes us back
Speaker 1: obviously it doesn't get more Disney, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like Disney is under you know, ESPN is of the
Speaker 1: Disney umbrella, so we always kind of have to be
Speaker 1: mindful of mindful of it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And although you know it was just I think I
Speaker 1: just think it was just a lot at once. It
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Speaker 1: conversations when I've renegotiated my deal with ESPN talking about
Speaker 1: you know, I'm a cannabis advocate, I have a company
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Speaker 1: Instagram smoking. But I'm also a coach of father all
Speaker 1: this kind of strang I mean, so I'm a bit is.
Speaker 1: It's a business to me, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So I've had to have those conversations, but it was
Speaker 1: just like Paul, shit was just like a perfect storm,
Speaker 1: I guess. So, yeah, a lot of different things and unfortunately, man,
Speaker 1: it didn't end well. It's crazy because like back in
Speaker 1: the day when you were playing, obviously they would be
Speaker 1: testing for weed, right, so like marijuana was frowned upon
Speaker 1: in the league. And what were what were you actively smoking? Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I smoke my whole sauce. I started smoking, uh like
Speaker 1: eighth grade to ninth grade summer, So that was your
Speaker 1: starting point. You smoked throughout the whole your whole concent
Speaker 1: So what were ways you were dodging the tests. So
Speaker 1: when I first got in the league, like they used
Speaker 1: to do one team drug test in the preseason, so
Speaker 1: they would test everybody in one day. It was what
Speaker 1: it was. Everyone knew to you know, stay clean for
Speaker 1: that test and then you could you know, motherfuckers had
Speaker 1: blunts or joints in the car since we got down
Speaker 1: with practice. It's amazing. But then it you know, it started,
Speaker 1: it went to four random so it was just like
Speaker 1: a real job to stay So I would always stay up,
Speaker 1: like maybe every six to eight months, I would stock
Speaker 1: up on these. I'd go to go to I can
Speaker 1: say it now because it's not legal, So I go
Speaker 1: to G and C and I just tell them like yo,
Speaker 1: and they'd always recognize it, like what's the best drink
Speaker 1: to clean out you know the detox stuff? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and they would. I would be up front with them,
Speaker 1: and it was never shipped. It was out whatever we
Speaker 1: could see here. No, my cousins are on probation. You
Speaker 1: used to always have to go and get that ship
Speaker 1: and then drink a bunch of it. So it was
Speaker 1: always underneath the counter. So like my test day, So
Speaker 1: I used to pay my trainers a little bit of
Speaker 1: bread to just kind of give me a heads up,
Speaker 1: like hey, uh, you know, because at first they would
Speaker 1: say the names, so we would really know who's coming,
Speaker 1: you know, but later they just it was when they
Speaker 1: were coming. They wouldn't say who was getting tested until
Speaker 1: you got there. So every time I got that morning call,
Speaker 1: which everyone would get the morning call, like hey, drug
Speaker 1: test today, you know, be ready name, you get the
Speaker 1: names and you get here, I had to prepare like
Speaker 1: as if it was me. So even though it wasn't me,
Speaker 1: every time I had to prepare, and that shit is tough,
Speaker 1: Like you had to wake up hella early, drink this
Speaker 1: whole little thing and it's nasty as fuck, and then
Speaker 1: drink like three or four waters and just keep paying
Speaker 1: like you had to pee like three, four or five times.
Speaker 1: And then once you pee that much like you're your
Speaker 1: ship is a kind of a it's clear, like you
Speaker 1: have a window of like how long it's you know,
Speaker 1: your pee is clear, like six to eight hours. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: It's crazy because like I never thought as a kid,
Speaker 1: you'd see the day were like an active NBA player
Speaker 1: like KD. Right, it's like involved in a marijuana company.
Speaker 1: That's what I said, I, you know, like a lot
Speaker 1: of people took a lot of chances. You know, I
Speaker 1: got caught twice. You get caught three times, you're suspended
Speaker 1: for five games and everyone knows about it. So I
Speaker 1: got caught twice in my fifteen years. And but also
Speaker 1: like you're allowed to admit yourself to the program as
Speaker 1: well if you know you're gonna fail. One time, I
Speaker 1: didn't have my drink and they got me. I was
Speaker 1: just I was slipping. So I called the dudes right there, like, yo,
Speaker 1: I'm about to get tested and I know I'm gonna fail,
Speaker 1: and they will. They allow you to come into the
Speaker 1: rehab program. And you gotta think about all the money
Speaker 1: the NBA took from people back then, people's careers. The
Speaker 1: on the flip side, they'll you know, they'll shoot us
Speaker 1: with tour it all. They'll give us any kind of
Speaker 1: painkiller we can ask for, as much as we need.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure football is even worse. And it's just
Speaker 1: like they want to pump us full of that, but
Speaker 1: not the actual anti inflammatories that aren't addicted. They want
Speaker 1: to find us and suspend us. And some people who
Speaker 1: lose their career, you know, over something that that can
Speaker 1: help us now that something that's legal now as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because if you think about the downside of any painkiller,
Speaker 1: it's it's masking one thing and causing problems in another area,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it's just that temporary
Speaker 1: get you back out their relief that they need to
Speaker 1: make money. When you look at like, because we always
Speaker 1: hear that the I mean, you obviously played not too
Speaker 1: long ago, five years ago, right, what twenty seventeen was
Speaker 1: your last year? Was that the year you want to
Speaker 1: ring with the Warriors? Right? Yeah? And we hear about you.
Speaker 1: You kind of played through a whole era then then
Speaker 1: kind of you know, I feel like twenty thirteen fourteen
Speaker 1: is when the NBA really started to go heavily towards
Speaker 1: the three. But who's somebody who gives you, like when
Speaker 1: you came into the league energy, Like just someone who's tough,
Speaker 1: someone who's playing right now, Who's I just like guys
Speaker 1: to play hard because I think obviously the game has
Speaker 1: changed so much that like the game is continuing to grow,
Speaker 1: and it's because it's it's more offensive, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like you know, seventy eight to eighty two,
Speaker 1: I mean the Thunder put up one fifty last night
Speaker 1: against the Celtics. I mean, these low defensive, grinding games
Speaker 1: they used to get don't sell. You know, people when
Speaker 1: they want they turn on TV or they watch it
Speaker 1: on their phone. They want to see dunks, they want
Speaker 1: to see threes from having on. Can you imagine that
Speaker 1: the Spurs and Pistons were in the finals in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one, people would kill themselves. It wouldn't work. So
Speaker 1: I say all that to say, there's like, it's kind
Speaker 1: of like the guys that played like me are kind
Speaker 1: of like the last of a dying breeze, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, the three and D someone in forcers, tough,
Speaker 1: you know, glue guys. You know, guys like Pat Bev,
Speaker 1: guys like PJ tuckerj Yeah, I mean we talked about
Speaker 1: Jay Crowder. Jay Crowder, you know, Jay crowds in a
Speaker 1: similar role like great guy, like great locker room guy,
Speaker 1: great guy O g Vett. So the game kind of
Speaker 1: has has changed. So I mean, but to me, I'm
Speaker 1: not one of those guys like, oh man, they don't
Speaker 1: play defense or not, like I appreciate what it is,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like these fucking kids are
Speaker 1: so talented. Man, these kids are super skilled, talented, athletic
Speaker 1: as can be, and they're just you know, they're they're
Speaker 1: they're in their way, they're taking games to the new level.
Speaker 1: So I love it when I always because I'm I mean,
Speaker 1: I grew up a Jordan fan. I obviously was a
Speaker 1: Suns fan, but I put my I love Jordan more
Speaker 1: than I love the Sons as a kid, but I
Speaker 1: am kind of on the Lebron side of the goat convo.
Speaker 1: I'm not mad at that, and that's just because I
Speaker 1: look at who he played in the finals. I feel
Speaker 1: like he went up against the Warriors all those years,
Speaker 1: he went up against the dynasty of Spurs through Detroit.
Speaker 1: He had to go through Detroit, who just want to
Speaker 1: ring to get to the finals. Boston, he had to
Speaker 1: go through Boston. I think I think we also got
Speaker 1: to think about, like, you know, who he was, who
Speaker 1: he had on that Cavaliers team in O five when
Speaker 1: when they went to the was it O seven? Also?
Speaker 1: Was it all seven or O five when they went
Speaker 1: to the finals it was against the Spurs. But you know,
Speaker 1: I think that like he went went through the thunder
Speaker 1: with Katie Russ and James Harden, I'm not man. I
Speaker 1: to me. I just think that the league's talent pool
Speaker 1: is so much more higher than it was when Jordan
Speaker 1: and and of course Jordan had to go through the
Speaker 1: Pistons and and and you know there was Larry Bird
Speaker 1: and Magic Johnson and those guys. But I just think
Speaker 1: the talent pool, like if I I love watching every
Speaker 1: team right now, I have lead pass, there's not a
Speaker 1: team that I'm not interested in because they got a
Speaker 1: couple of guys that can go. Yeah, I'm like, oh
Speaker 1: the Pistons around, well, Kate Cunningham's out, but I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I want to see Ivy, I want to see uh Bay.
Speaker 1: Like there's like no, I definitely get it. And when
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, like the Clippers like sucked,
Speaker 1: like they really sucked. But even the teams that aren't
Speaker 1: good are still fun to watch and have good foot.
Speaker 1: Right now, it's crazy, it's crazy. I mean yeah, So
Speaker 1: what was the question that I was going to say, Like,
Speaker 1: do you feel like the talent because you you played
Speaker 1: through so many, like fifteen years, do you feel like
Speaker 1: the talent pool nowadays is just off the charts deeper
Speaker 1: than it's ever been or is that just recency bias
Speaker 1: because we're watching basketball. I think the I think the
Speaker 1: skill level might be as high as we've ever seen it.
Speaker 1: Uh talent. You know, you think back to the you know,
Speaker 1: late eighties and early nineties and then I don't even
Speaker 1: want to disrespect no Air because every year I had talent.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm thinking, like you know, young Mike in
Speaker 1: that in that era, there was there was a lot
Speaker 1: of motherfuckers in that era. But I think often, you know,
Speaker 1: we just we're kind of prisoners of of now and
Speaker 1: what we've seen of like you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So obviously there's a lot of talent on on both sides,
Speaker 1: but I feel like the skill level, the athleticism, all
Speaker 1: this shit is just it's it's it's continues to grow.
Speaker 1: I think like back in the day, like the Cavaliers
Speaker 1: were like a big deal for the Bulls to go
Speaker 1: against with Craig Elo and Brad Daughtry or whatever the
Speaker 1: fuck his name was. I used to play with them
Speaker 1: one NBA jam when I was But I'm like, none
Speaker 1: of the like, none of like nobody's gonna be Like
Speaker 1: both of those guys are all time greats. Nobody's saying.
Speaker 1: I mean, they were good at the time, but I
Speaker 1: think now and I'm just like, yo, Like if you
Speaker 1: look at all three of the All NBA teams every year,
Speaker 1: it's like fuck, like the fact like Katie can get
Speaker 1: left off because he was injured. It's just like the
Speaker 1: fact Damian Lillard is like not in the top ten
Speaker 1: right now. I think the game is just continued to evolve. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because DA looks like an all time great point guard,
Speaker 1: no question, no question. But back to my original point, like,
Speaker 1: I don't any like to me, it's it's it's MJ.
Speaker 1: And there's no odor. But in the these three, I
Speaker 1: can live with arguments for either of them, MJ, Cobe
Speaker 1: and Mike as far as to me, those are the
Speaker 1: you said, MJ Cob and Mike Cob and Lebron excuse me,
Speaker 1: MJ Cob and Lebron. Like to me, I can see
Speaker 1: Jordan being one. I can see some people have Cob
Speaker 1: number one, some people have Lebron number one. You know,
Speaker 1: I could see to me, those three guys are with
Speaker 1: all due respect everyone else at the top of the pyramid.
Speaker 1: You know, you hear guys like you know and you
Speaker 1: never want to disrespect legends or people that come before you.
Speaker 1: But I just feel like some of those older older players,
Speaker 1: like when you talk about the top seventy five lists,
Speaker 1: those older players that were like foundational for the league
Speaker 1: and and and yeah, like almost like the meaning to
Speaker 1: the league outweighs their actual talent. Yeah. I mean, to me, like,
Speaker 1: there's no way you can leave a Dwight Howard or
Speaker 1: Vince Carter or Tracy mcgree the Dwight. The Dwight thing's crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: sure he was the most he was the best center
Speaker 1: for ten years. Yeah. So it's just like there's so
Speaker 1: much stuff that you know to me because like you said,
Speaker 1: the town level was so much on a night to
Speaker 1: night basis better than it was, you know back in
Speaker 1: the fifties, sixties, you know, coming into the seventies, it
Speaker 1: was just like a lot of these current guys that
Speaker 1: got left off. You look at it, it's just like, no,
Speaker 1: those guys really weren't better than these guys are left
Speaker 1: off with even close. Yo, you had a full circle
Speaker 1: moment winning a ring and ending your career with the Warriors,
Speaker 1: obviously being a part of the We Believe run. Was
Speaker 1: I mean that shit? I know, you guys didn't get
Speaker 1: out of the second round, but getting out of that
Speaker 1: first round against Dirk and the Mavericks was so crazy
Speaker 1: and that team was just so much fun to watch.
Speaker 1: But can you take me to that championship run. I know,
Speaker 1: you know at that point you were a veteran on
Speaker 1: the team. But how high was the animosity between the
Speaker 1: Warriors and the Cavaliers Because I had Emon on and
Speaker 1: he said it was He's like that shit was up
Speaker 1: for real. He's like the group chats were active, we were.
Speaker 1: It just felt like it was because you know, they
Speaker 1: had gone to battle several times, you know, four, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And then you know Cleveland got one.
Speaker 1: I think at the twenty the Lawyers had had two
Speaker 1: for the two or three maybe two was the third
Speaker 1: and one one more. So it was intense, you know,
Speaker 1: for me personally, you know, it was crazy because so
Speaker 1: I leave, I sign a you know, three year deal
Speaker 1: with Sacramento thinking that all right, you know, just finish.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go finishing, finish up at home. We got
Speaker 1: a new arena, maybe make the playoffs and you know,
Speaker 1: you know, get ready for my transition. So I wasn't
Speaker 1: triven with that, and so then the King's trade DeMarcus
Speaker 1: Cousins at the at during the All Star break, like
Speaker 1: while he's down the podium the Pelicans. Yeah, he gets told,
Speaker 1: he gets traded. So you know, we're to the point
Speaker 1: where they're trying to go younger. You know, I'm talking
Speaker 1: to management like I'm too old to try to rebuild, like,
Speaker 1: you know, help me out. Yeah, let me get up
Speaker 1: out of here, you know what I mean. And they
Speaker 1: were on the same vibe, so yeah, release from there,
Speaker 1: but they still had to pay me, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: the rest of my contract because guaranteed. And then really
Speaker 1: literally simultaneously when that happened, kd gets hurt for Golden
Speaker 1: State when they're in DC, hyper extends his knee. So
Speaker 1: you know, I get a call from their team to
Speaker 1: you know, Kti's down. You know, we're gonna need you
Speaker 1: to come out. I was like, shit, easy call, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Not too far from home, nah,
Speaker 1: you know, So I went out there. You know the
Speaker 1: first night, you know, I played like twenty twenty five minutes.
Speaker 1: So it was dope because it was just like I've
Speaker 1: never played on a team that had so many starts.
Speaker 1: But it was just selfless, Like going to work every
Speaker 1: day was dope. The energy in the weight room after
Speaker 1: everything was just damn, I see why you motherfuckers be
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Speaker 1: you know, like Ego lists basketball dope, so it's crazy.
Speaker 1: No I go out there playing. I'm playing anywhere, you know,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two to twenty four minutes a game. In
Speaker 1: the very first game KD comes back is about a
Speaker 1: week before the playoffs, or maybe week to ten days
Speaker 1: before the playoffs, and the game he comes back, I
Speaker 1: sprained my ankle and nearly break the worst sprain of
Speaker 1: my fucking career, and I was out. I kept trying
Speaker 1: to come back, and it just I wasn't ready, And
Speaker 1: by the time I felt halfway decent, I'm just like, damn,
Speaker 1: I want to try because it's you know, we're heading
Speaker 1: to the finals, like it was a Western Conference finals,
Speaker 1: like we're already eight and oh so as a vet,
Speaker 1: I knew I wasn't. You know, you don't a role
Speaker 1: player is not going to really able to jump in,
Speaker 1: and you know, if you're a start coming back into
Speaker 1: different story. So I just kind of had to, you know,
Speaker 1: stay in shape, just in case it needed me stay ready,
Speaker 1: and then you know, talk to guys when I saw stuff,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, even though you know I
Speaker 1: was new there, those guys like again that you know,
Speaker 1: they respected, you know, my body of work and how
Speaker 1: hard I played. So I wasn't someone who was overstepping
Speaker 1: my bounds. But there'd be times where at any time,
Speaker 1: you know, that's the thing. Cool thing about it, where
Speaker 1: I having that conversation with Draymond, had you know, long
Speaker 1: conversations with Clay, you know, me and Kadi used to
Speaker 1: get down after games, you know, burn a few and
Speaker 1: just talk about the game, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So it was just like that kind of og positivity
Speaker 1: and ways to look at things. And and that team
Speaker 1: ended up winning championship, you know what I mean. But yeah,
Speaker 1: they man handled the Cavaliers that year, that's for sure. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: that that was even though those teams were chicos. You
Speaker 1: I mean, once Katie got healthy and Steph and play
Speaker 1: and Pray and Iggy and I just don't like, like,
Speaker 1: if Katie would have just stayed on the Warriors, who
Speaker 1: knows how many more rings, I mean, it would have
Speaker 1: been ugly. I was so I was actually very happy
Speaker 1: that he left because I felt like the balance of
Speaker 1: power readjusted in the league. For a couple of years,
Speaker 1: it was more about duos and not trios anymore. So
Speaker 1: it was like, I like the way it is now.
Speaker 1: There's parody in the Western Conference specifically, there's so much. Ye,
Speaker 1: there's just so much. I just mean, like if you
Speaker 1: look at like the Sons are the eight seed right now,
Speaker 1: but they're four and a half games behind the one seed.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you can make a five game win,
Speaker 1: seven game winning streak and you know, jump up four spots,
Speaker 1: so you can go in a three or four game
Speaker 1: lose the streak and slide down three or four spots.
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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this I've seen because this year
Speaker 1: it seems like there's like a rule right where you
Speaker 1: really can't go back to back to back MVP. It's
Speaker 1: barely ever happened. I don't I can't remember when it's
Speaker 1: happened unless Larry Bird got three, and I think there
Speaker 1: was a there was an argument to be made that
Speaker 1: Harden could have got it again. There's an argument if
Speaker 1: Giannis could have got it last year, the year before
Speaker 1: or whatever. A lot of people are saying, Jokic motherfucker man,
Speaker 1: yeah man, and he's built like me, so like right now,
Speaker 1: we have these two white dudes that are kind of
Speaker 1: just like kind of like normally built, like flabby white
Speaker 1: dudes who are like, it's just kind of crazy, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't even you know. I saw Bill Simmons talking
Speaker 1: about Jokic and he said that he's the funnest player
Speaker 1: since Larry Bird some shit, he said. Some shit. A
Speaker 1: lot of people are pissed off about. But like you
Speaker 1: do this for a living, you analyze the game, like
Speaker 1: how special is Jokic and how special is the Now.
Speaker 1: I know how special Luca is because we should have
Speaker 1: drafted him over DeAndre Ayden and I came sick to
Speaker 1: my stomach every time, But like, how special are these
Speaker 1: two uh, white Caucasian unicorns in the league? Right now.
Speaker 1: It's fucking crazy. They're incredible each. I mean obviously Jokic first,
Speaker 1: you know his ability to do it all from his size,
Speaker 1: you know, his length, his basketball a Q. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's no holes. There's no holes in his game. I
Speaker 1: mean he's okay defensively, yeah, I mean yeah, in a
Speaker 1: league where defense doesn't really matter. There's no holds what
Speaker 1: I mean. So to me, there's no real holes in
Speaker 1: his offensive game. And then Luca. I think Luca's gonna
Speaker 1: go down as an all time great me too, man,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's only twenty three years old. The numbers,
Speaker 1: the video game numbers in year four, I'm like, if
Speaker 1: you go year four like one through four, maybe Wilts
Speaker 1: can hang with him. They showed a comparison of him
Speaker 1: and Lebron after like a certain amount of games, maybe
Speaker 1: a month ago, at a certain amount of games. We
Speaker 1: want to say, how many games, I don't remember, but
Speaker 1: Luca was like two points better to a couple of
Speaker 1: rebounds better. And it'sist better than Labron, you know, through
Speaker 1: that same span. So uh, and it's scary because Luca's
Speaker 1: only twenty three, you know what I mean. We literally
Speaker 1: just talked about this shit. On ESPN today, Like guys
Speaker 1: don't really kind of hit their peak into twenty eight,
Speaker 1: nine thirty. You know, Lucas motherfucking he ain't even get
Speaker 1: it shape yet. That's what's crazy. It's like a batch
Speaker 1: it if he wants to get He's in better shift
Speaker 1: he was last year. Yeah, he's in better shape than
Speaker 1: he was, so, I mean he's learning the game. But
Speaker 1: it's I don't think we've ever seen someone so offensively
Speaker 1: what's the word brilliant? I mean, from the amazing passes
Speaker 1: he makes to how he can score from every single
Speaker 1: he's a dog too. He's big. Yeah, he's bigger than
Speaker 1: he's bigger than me. He got that fucking attitude. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because he's seen it. I mean he's at thirteen, Luca
Speaker 1: was playing basketball. What motherfuckers was drinking beers and smoking
Speaker 1: cigarettes at halftime, you know what I mean? Like Luca
Speaker 1: Benner pro since he was in seventh like for like
Speaker 1: my kids in eighth grade, like losing Benner prosins he
Speaker 1: was in seventy you know, technically seven. You know, I
Speaker 1: just saw I just saw a picture of him and
Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook from like twenty seventeen when he was like
Speaker 1: a kid. Yeah, yeah, he's been thrown in the fire.
Speaker 1: So he was built for I mean he was built
Speaker 1: for this. Talk about growing up in Sacramento. Sacramento, I
Speaker 1: feel like finally has had like a lot of dope,
Speaker 1: big uh recognition in the hip hop world with my
Speaker 1: guy Mazzi Free Mazzie. But then you know, growing up
Speaker 1: there was like brother Lynch Hung and Cibo and and
Speaker 1: I used to listen to a lot of even though
Speaker 1: they're not from master P in high school. Yeah, Sacramento
Speaker 1: is like one of those that is like super active,
Speaker 1: like surprise you. It's a very active place because when
Speaker 1: you fly in, all you see is like fields. So
Speaker 1: people like this motherfucking caws and then you know that
Speaker 1: the fans go crazy with their low cowbo. So there's
Speaker 1: a real misconception that Sack Sacks got a lot of
Speaker 1: smoke out there. It definitely does a lot of smiling,
Speaker 1: and it's not anything to brag about, like it's really dangerous. Yeah,
Speaker 1: between like Stockton and Sacramento, it's a there's bodies, bodies
Speaker 1: are dropping, Yeah dude, I mean so it's just like
Speaker 1: it's it's you know, Sacramento is different. You know, Luckily
Speaker 1: coming from you know, the Bay area. Uh, my parents
Speaker 1: were able to put some you know money together to
Speaker 1: not necessarily get us, to get us in a in
Speaker 1: a better area, right, you know, like my cousins and
Speaker 1: my aunt was killed in a parkat slash left and
Speaker 1: the gutter, like my cousins that living Sack were in
Speaker 1: like in the heart of aunt. Yeah, my little sister,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I would always so
Speaker 1: my parents, you know, were able to do better by
Speaker 1: the time we were able to move up to Sack.
Speaker 1: So they would always put me in predominantly white schools.
Speaker 1: And I never understood why. I never understood. Used to
Speaker 1: hate it because all my neighborhood friends were mixed, like
Speaker 1: Mexican blacks, some Asians, some white kids. But I never
Speaker 1: got to go to school with those kids, so I
Speaker 1: always had to go to different schools. But you know,
Speaker 1: now getting older and finished, you know, looking back, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just it made me the chameleon I am because
Speaker 1: I could. You mean, I was going to Oak Park
Speaker 1: and all those things. You know, I grew up in
Speaker 1: the Oak Park YMCA, you know center, and you know,
Speaker 1: so I could be there and then I could be
Speaker 1: and you know the nicest part of Sacramento with you know,
Speaker 1: a bunch of white kids, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So I saw so much diversity, you know, at a
Speaker 1: younger age that it just you know, allowed me to
Speaker 1: kind of be able to move and slide in different rooms.
Speaker 1: Now I feel like you do. I feel like you
Speaker 1: do a great job of that. Now. I feel like,
Speaker 1: just like the vast, like diverse cast of people you
Speaker 1: guys interview on your podcast, it's like, yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: it's been growing, man, it's been fun, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. I remember when you guys did the Kobe interviewed.
Speaker 1: That was one of your first was it like one
Speaker 1: of the first five or six? It felt like it
Speaker 1: was early number ten. Yeah, it was one of the
Speaker 1: earlier ones. You obviously played with Kobe. What years were
Speaker 1: you with Kobe? I was with Cobe I think the eleven,
Speaker 1: thirteen or fourteen, so that was obviously kind of some
Speaker 1: rough Laker years. No, well, no, so I came right
Speaker 1: after they won to I came when they were going
Speaker 1: for a three p so Phil's last year. So you
Speaker 1: were there when okay, okay, so you were there kind
Speaker 1: of like the end of like the peak. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: run was over unfortunately. So you played with Lamar on
Speaker 1: that team. Yeah, Lamar, Lamar pale buying him. Uh what's
Speaker 1: the locker room like with Matt Barnes and Lamar owed
Speaker 1: him at the same time, Funny and Test was in
Speaker 1: that mother and run our tests. So like people don't
Speaker 1: know Koke talk big ship, Like I was like right
Speaker 1: when I went to team, because I'm someone that just
Speaker 1: keeps everybody loose. I talked Matt Barnes, run our tests,
Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant, and Lamar owed him in the same locker round. Shit, amazing.
Speaker 1: It was fun, you know what I mean. And you
Speaker 1: know he used to poke fun to everybody like nobody
Speaker 1: was safe, you know, and everybody get fun poked at them,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it was those Laker
Speaker 1: days were fun, man, really fun. Yeah, what was because
Speaker 1: I mean, Kobe is not going on anyone's podcast A
Speaker 1: lot of people have podcasts. Kobe didn't do a lot
Speaker 1: of interviews, so you guys obviously had a friendship that
Speaker 1: stuck with him and resonated with him. That was a
Speaker 1: very tough loss for the world man's particularly La you
Speaker 1: know obviously you know the world lost, but for La
Speaker 1: for sure. But yea, La lost a superhero, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like LA got to watch Kobe grow,
Speaker 1: you know, as a as a seventeen year old boy.
Speaker 1: Come to La. What was the one thing that you
Speaker 1: feel like people don't necessarily know about Kobe that you
Speaker 1: know being around him as much as you were as
Speaker 1: fun like He's not like it was funny because he
Speaker 1: used to be on the bus and talking shit back
Speaker 1: and forth, and he'd be talking shit, talking crazy and
Speaker 1: everyone be busting up. And I remember one time taking
Speaker 1: on the bus like, yea, why don't you show the
Speaker 1: rest of the world this this side of cod Yeah,
Speaker 1: looked up and he's like, I can't show these motherfuckers this,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? So COPD the one thing
Speaker 1: like cop was cool, like talk big ship. Was there
Speaker 1: anybody who was too sensitive for his ship talking on
Speaker 1: the team. He used to go at Pal pretty hard.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't the power was sensitive, but he would
Speaker 1: just that was just why I think with his way
Speaker 1: of pushing Palace buttons. But he used to go at Pal.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, damn, Cope, come on, Pal, let's go
Speaker 1: and go handle it, you know what I mean. So,
Speaker 1: but but Cobe was one of those dudes. It was
Speaker 1: just he He would run through a wall. So he
Speaker 1: wants you to play as absolutely as hard as you can,
Speaker 1: have no fear in your heart, and go to war
Speaker 1: with him. Yeah, I feel like Cope's the kind of
Speaker 1: guy that's like, not gonna ask anybody of anything that
Speaker 1: he wouldn't do himself. And I think most great leaders
Speaker 1: are like that. It's like, yeah, I ain't gonna ask
Speaker 1: you to do nothing I'm not gonna do. When he talks,
Speaker 1: you listen. He doesn't talk much. Used to he used
Speaker 1: to hiss when he wanted the ball. When he started hissing,
Speaker 1: you better give him the ball or or make it
Speaker 1: or he's gonna you know, I mean, stare a fucking
Speaker 1: hole through your body. But dude, just work hard, man.
Speaker 1: His work ethic to me was second to none. You
Speaker 1: were a part of another iconic team in La Lop
Speaker 1: City years of the Clippers was special. I remember when
Speaker 1: Tiger Redd Rock City. Yeah, that was we took La
Speaker 1: by story. It was dope because obviously, you know, I'd
Speaker 1: come literally come right from the Lakers, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, so to see and you were you were
Speaker 1: a starter on that team for most of that run.
Speaker 1: I mean you were very important. I tell people like,
Speaker 1: I won the championship with Golden State and played with
Speaker 1: rock Stars over there, but there's nothing in the world
Speaker 1: like being the Laker. So when I went down the
Speaker 1: hallway to become a Clipper, it was just, you know,
Speaker 1: a team that historically had been just terrible got awful,
Speaker 1: even though it's in the same building, same city. Terrible.
Speaker 1: And they had had you know, rays of hope every
Speaker 1: once in a while with d Miles and Q. And
Speaker 1: then when they first came in out brand you know
Speaker 1: the Sam Pacel Patino run they had, but Tim Thomas. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that Lop City team just captured know the NBA by storm.
Speaker 1: You know, we won our first the Clippers first ever
Speaker 1: pred Division title. We were beating the breaks off the
Speaker 1: by like record numbers, Like we were beating the Lakers
Speaker 1: by plus thirty. Oh no, it was crazy. It was crazy,
Speaker 1: and you guys were stacked. I mean we were d
Speaker 1: Like my first year, I think our started lineup with CP, JJ, Kuran, Butler, Blake,
Speaker 1: and DJ and then off the bench they had Eric Bledsoe,
Speaker 1: Jamal Crawford, me lamar Odom, Jesus Ronnie Terry Off. No,
Speaker 1: I'm forgetting some people like I don't even remember lamar
Speaker 1: Odom being back on the Clippers. I don't even remember
Speaker 1: that Grant Hill on that team. I remember Grant. I
Speaker 1: remember Grant. I remember we were like Sports Illustrated voted
Speaker 1: us the best bench. So they did like a big
Speaker 1: old spread on our team, and I'm like, yeah, we
Speaker 1: used to give our starters work in practice, like for real.
Speaker 1: But no, that team was city was crazy. Help me
Speaker 1: understand as a Suns fan, who has to root for
Speaker 1: Chris Paul? He said, who has Christmas? No? I mean,
Speaker 1: Chris Paul is one of the greatest point guards of
Speaker 1: all time, and I was ecstatic when we got him.
Speaker 1: But that being said, the last couple of years have
Speaker 1: been like just the absolute biggest disappointment of my life,
Speaker 1: of my life, all forms of my life, personal relationship, family,
Speaker 1: the Suns. So they went to the finals, They went
Speaker 1: to the finals, were up two oh to the Bucks,
Speaker 1: gave that back real quick, and then they lost to
Speaker 1: Dallas and then then we lost. We got destroyed. We
Speaker 1: got absolutely embarrassed by the Mavericks. Shortly after, Alvarado gave
Speaker 1: us some work in that first round series against the Pelicans.
Speaker 1: But give me like the Chris Paul thing. Because I
Speaker 1: have friends that are close to the son's team and
Speaker 1: you played with them. We always hear about him and
Speaker 1: Blake didn't necessarily get along. Like what do you think
Speaker 1: it is about CP that seems to be it? He
Speaker 1: cause he goes to teams and they get good right away.
Speaker 1: I mean he took that team, the thunder team that okay,
Speaker 1: see team that was crazy. I think Chris is a
Speaker 1: throwback point guard from a standpoint, and he's not going
Speaker 1: to tell you what you want to hear. He's going
Speaker 1: to tell you what you need to hear. And I
Speaker 1: think sometimes his delivery is off, but what he's saying
Speaker 1: nine times out of ten is right. It's a delivery thing,
Speaker 1: his delivery. But again, he's one of them, like you know,
Speaker 1: not it wouldn't even be so much cussing. It would
Speaker 1: just be like he's talking. Chris is a talker, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So he's always going to kind
Speaker 1: of tell you he's a quarterback. He's always going to
Speaker 1: kind of tell you what he wants, what DC is,
Speaker 1: what he needs like all that shit, and me being
Speaker 1: you know, I'm you know, I was always older than him,
Speaker 1: but just from a era where you can you know,
Speaker 1: you can yell at me. I have to yell back
Speaker 1: at you. I will, but you know I'm out here.
Speaker 1: I'm with you, bro. And I just think the disconnect
Speaker 1: sometimes with CP and younger players is just his delivery
Speaker 1: because young players have been kind of so coddled in
Speaker 1: this new era where you know, you say something wrong,
Speaker 1: some of these motherfuckers that get you fired. Oh it's
Speaker 1: we're in the middle of this cancel culture shit. So
Speaker 1: it's just like, you know, these younger players have been
Speaker 1: given so much so fast, and I say they're not talented,
Speaker 1: They've just been given a lot fast. So it's just
Speaker 1: like when someone who's kind of a throwback personality like
Speaker 1: is barking at you, some motherfuckers don't like it. And
Speaker 1: Blake Griffin wasn't a fan. Yeah, I just yeah, I
Speaker 1: just think, yeah, I can't say they weren't. I mean
Speaker 1: when we were on, we were on. I think I
Speaker 1: think you guys are one of the prime examples of
Speaker 1: like people forget the injuries that happened in your guys'
Speaker 1: playoff runs, getting hurt, blatting, hurt, there was like just
Speaker 1: some timely injuries that were just like again like it
Speaker 1: almost like the basketball gods are like, no, you're the Clippers,
Speaker 1: go fuck yourself crazy that I mean to me because
Speaker 1: there was a year you guys beat the Spurs. Year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's two there to me through those two years where
Speaker 1: you know, we were a top two or three team
Speaker 1: in the NBA. Hands down, we just couldn't get out
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Speaker 1: Yeah it's kind of crazy man. Yeah yeah. Shout out
Speaker 1: to CP. Yeah, where do you want to take all
Speaker 1: the smoke? Because you guys have done so much in
Speaker 1: such a little amount of time. I feel like you
Speaker 1: guys have really put a stake as just the premiere
Speaker 1: basketball podcast. You know, I think you guys do it.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, you guys are the best. Appreciate that, man,
Speaker 1: Thank you first and foremost. Continue to inspire, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. I want people to know that like
Speaker 1: we could tell our own stories now, you know, similar
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Speaker 1: you could hear from us. So first and foremost we
Speaker 1: want to continue to do that. But then just you know,
Speaker 1: create great content. You know, I think that you know
Speaker 1: the secret to our successes. Like that's really my brother,
Speaker 1: I mean, so, like we talk real shit to each
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Speaker 1: you come to All the Smoke, you know, when you
Speaker 1: get there, we're most likely smoking, listening to music, eating
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Speaker 1: when you come fuck with us, that you just feel
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Speaker 1: the people say all the time, like man I've never
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Speaker 1: let your guard down because you're in a trusted yeah environment,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, you know, they know we're not
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Speaker 1: we know why Steph and KD and Kobe were great,
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Speaker 1: think next week, which is dope. But I just think
Speaker 1: live shows being on linear television as well as YouTube
Speaker 1: getting on that real Showtime platform and and and really
Speaker 1: kind of continuing to just spread our wings. Man. It's
Speaker 1: been fun, Like, you know, Showtime, A big shout out
Speaker 1: to Showtime and Malcolksh's kind of their in house production.
Speaker 1: They just allowed me to create a lot of other
Speaker 1: and do a lot of other things outside of doing
Speaker 1: all the smoke. You know, They've they've allowed me to
Speaker 1: bring talent in creating shows, producing show Like I'm doing
Speaker 1: a bunch of different things about that umbrella. So I
Speaker 1: think it's obviously very beneficial for both of us. So
Speaker 1: it's been fun. Yeah. Do you feel like because you
Speaker 1: have a documentary coming out about your life? Right? No,
Speaker 1: So we did. It was just a short a thing
Speaker 1: called Revolution that just dropped on Apple, Amazon, all those
Speaker 1: kind of things, and it was just kind of a
Speaker 1: snibit of you know, life after basketball what I was
Speaker 1: kind of doing at the time. I was bored right
Speaker 1: when I retired because I didn't really know what I
Speaker 1: wanted to do next. So we kind of just started
Speaker 1: filming my activism and uh, you know, my street activism,
Speaker 1: you know, my cannabis activism, fatherhood, like just what life
Speaker 1: was like as I was transitioning from the NBA. So
Speaker 1: we started shooting that like a five years ago. We
Speaker 1: kind of just wrapped a bow on it and put
Speaker 1: it out. So it was just a kind of a
Speaker 1: snibit of what's going on in my life, like speak
Speaker 1: on the cannabis activism front, because obviously, man, in this country,
Speaker 1: there's still a lot of people who are incarcerated for
Speaker 1: for some for weed, you know what I'm saying. And uh,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously sometimes we live in California, and I
Speaker 1: think sometimes we forget that not everywhere is like here.
Speaker 1: There's still a serious amount of states that you can't
Speaker 1: even get medicinal weed in and it's you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of fucked up, you know, and what
Speaker 1: what are you doing in that space? You know? I
Speaker 1: have the cannabis company that I'm a part owner of
Speaker 1: of Seven Leaves up in Sack and we just we
Speaker 1: were we have a big grow out there, so we
Speaker 1: distribute to you know, pre pretty much all over California
Speaker 1: with that. I'm a part of uh Chris Weber's got
Speaker 1: uh something called Players Only. He's got you know, he's
Speaker 1: got a couple hundred million in cannabis funding that he's
Speaker 1: been doing some different players with. So I'm doing some
Speaker 1: stuff over there, you know. But I really, to be
Speaker 1: honest with you, I haven't done a ton lately because
Speaker 1: I've been so busy doing media. Like when I first
Speaker 1: came out of the NBA, like cannabis is everything in
Speaker 1: my advocacy, you know, flying out to New York and
Speaker 1: talking to the nv p A and the NBA about
Speaker 1: you know, not testing these guys, and like I was
Speaker 1: really trying to let people know like this plant can help,
Speaker 1: and at the time knowing who smoked and like, you know,
Speaker 1: if the world ever knew that knock on wood and
Speaker 1: he's announcing now that you know, Kevin Durant is you know,
Speaker 1: listening to medicaid and it was just like they would
Speaker 1: lose their mind. I've blown down the biggest Phoenix sun
Speaker 1: of the last twenty years. Pause no, fifteen. I will
Speaker 1: tell you who it is. But yeah, yeah, Steve nashould
Speaker 1: be twenty so yeah. Yeah. So it's just like, you know,
Speaker 1: everybody's using it. So my advocacy was really heavy on
Speaker 1: the social the social impact side, where you know, we're
Speaker 1: trying to have you know, black and brown people have
Speaker 1: more access to me in lives to to get those licenses.
Speaker 1: But it just became so corporate and unfortunately, you know,
Speaker 1: dominated by white folks just like everyone else. But you know,
Speaker 1: you know, the industry is it's just so saturated now,
Speaker 1: it's super saturated. The wead game is so saturated. Everyone
Speaker 1: has a fucking strain and a lot of all the
Speaker 1: strands are recycled and it's just your shit is just
Speaker 1: white labeled with some some other ship. It's put in
Speaker 1: a different bag. It is kind of crazy. It feels
Speaker 1: like it does feel like the weed game is kind
Speaker 1: of because I'm pretty involved a lot in the weed
Speaker 1: industry as well, and you know, there's so many like
Speaker 1: if you go to dispensary, there's a lot of that
Speaker 1: week that's in the same like three or four bags,
Speaker 1: you know that. And then I mean I remember, like
Speaker 1: I've always been carrying weed, you know, not to just
Speaker 1: luckily I've been good, but before it was legal, or
Speaker 1: I'd always because I would always take away when we
Speaker 1: travel because you couldn't find good weed in other cities.
Speaker 1: I mean, now you're you go to your fine, you
Speaker 1: just find a dispenser. You're gonna find something good, something decent. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's just like it it's out there. So it's
Speaker 1: just it. It got saturated. But you know me, I
Speaker 1: just stay in my lane, smoke my seven leads. That's
Speaker 1: all over. You are somebody who, obviously, congratulations you just
Speaker 1: got engaged to your lady, which is amazing. You've always
Speaker 1: been somebody who's been on the forefront of letting everybody
Speaker 1: know being a good follower is a good thing to
Speaker 1: show off because I feel like you're you're you're you're
Speaker 1: you're a great father man man. But you also kind
Speaker 1: of had an era of your personal life on TV,
Speaker 1: which you know, I'm sure there's pluses and there there's
Speaker 1: gifts and curses of that, but like, is that something
Speaker 1: that was like because you know, we all we all
Speaker 1: think about the Derek Fisher thing and all that. We
Speaker 1: won't get into that, but like, was that something that
Speaker 1: you kind of went through for this new relationship to
Speaker 1: kind of kind of keep something well you you learn
Speaker 1: on the fly, you know what I mean. It's it's uh,
Speaker 1: you know, reality TV it was kind of new back then.
Speaker 1: It was very new. You know, there's there's Flavor of
Speaker 1: Love and maybe one O the Real World and then yeah,
Speaker 1: but you guys were the first. I feel like you
Speaker 1: guys were like the first stuff that lane, like the
Speaker 1: basketball wise you know, franchise was was was new and
Speaker 1: it was crazy because my ex wife and I at
Speaker 1: the time, you know, just had twins. I just moved
Speaker 1: to Phoenix. I was just that first year, like was
Speaker 1: that eight Yeah, And I remember my girl starts asking me, like,
Speaker 1: you know, Sean Shack's wife, you know, she's going to
Speaker 1: start the show and it's going to be us, you know,
Speaker 1: raising our families and stepping outside of your shadows and
Speaker 1: doing charitable work. Just like, nah, we don't need that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like we're rich. We got you know, we got two babies,
Speaker 1: we got two brand new babies. You know, we just
Speaker 1: got to a new team. Let's just let's just so
Speaker 1: we went back and forth for months and it was
Speaker 1: just a no, no, no, And then they got shock
Speaker 1: on me, and Shock kept pressuring me, pressuring me and
Speaker 1: pressure me and pressuring me, and finally I just said,
Speaker 1: fuck it, all right, let's do it. And you know,
Speaker 1: the one positive from it was it opened the door
Speaker 1: to you know, this content space for me during that
Speaker 1: time and just kind of understanding seeing like, Okay, this
Speaker 1: is how this this shit is made. But you know,
Speaker 1: it's not hard to make quality stuff and said that's
Speaker 1: not quality, but that's just not my taste stuff. But
Speaker 1: like I can really get in this space and start creating.
Speaker 1: So it kind of opened my eyes to that back then.
Speaker 1: But then it also crossed me over somewhat to a
Speaker 1: different audience for sure, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 1: that basketball wise, I get sometimes women women will see
Speaker 1: me in the mall or somewhere like you're the guy
Speaker 1: from Basketball Wives, aren't you. I'll be like, yeah, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So it's just like it kind
Speaker 1: of is what it is, but again a learning experience.
Speaker 1: But just realize at that point, once we had opened
Speaker 1: our personal life up to the world, that it would
Speaker 1: never close again. We opened that book and you know,
Speaker 1: my ex and I we went through some shit and
Speaker 1: you know, we ended up divorcing and twenty fifteen and
Speaker 1: you know, twenty sixteen, it's finalized and you know, the
Speaker 1: fish shit happened and then you know, me and him
Speaker 1: made up and you know, now we're co parenting, But
Speaker 1: it was it took a long time to get to
Speaker 1: that point. Yeah, I was gonna say, I think for
Speaker 1: anybody who's watching this who's gone through like a breakup,
Speaker 1: like what if you man co parenting to and being
Speaker 1: mature about it, it took takes a while to get
Speaker 1: to that point, right, man, absolutely, because sometimes you know,
Speaker 1: the kids are used, you know, weaponized against you, and
Speaker 1: it's it's it's tough, you know what I mean. But
Speaker 1: it's just I think at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: you know, you have to realize that it's bigger than
Speaker 1: the parents. After that, you know, if you guys have
Speaker 1: decided to really be apart, it's bigger than y'all. And
Speaker 1: you know, the kids didn't ask to be brought into
Speaker 1: the situation, so you got to you know, and it's
Speaker 1: so common now unfortunately blended families or or you know,
Speaker 1: fathers or motherless home. So learning the co parent you know,
Speaker 1: has taken a long time, and you're you're always learning
Speaker 1: to be honest with you but you know, the goal
Speaker 1: is to you know, be on the same page as
Speaker 1: much as you can with your ex, you know, for
Speaker 1: the sake of the kids in it. Again, it took
Speaker 1: us a long time to get there, you know, but
Speaker 1: we're finally there, and I it's just, you know, the
Speaker 1: boys are thirteen now. When we split, they were ship
Speaker 1: That's pretty crazy because I just remember seeing your kids
Speaker 1: on TV and that, like the fact that they're that
Speaker 1: old now is like fun. They just turned fourteen. It
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like that was that long ago. Got mustaches,
Speaker 1: telling my girls and all kinds of shit like that.
Speaker 1: I feel like they were just babies. What are they
Speaker 1: like playing video games? Are they video games? Basketball? Girls? Shoot?
Speaker 1: Do they do the anime thing? A lot of kids
Speaker 1: are an anime. They have their own podcast called the
Speaker 1: Barnes Boys. Check it out, Oh fire Ze, Like their
Speaker 1: shit is dope, Like you help them out with like
Speaker 1: production tips. So I started everything and then I took
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Speaker 1: and we've turned it into like where about to actually
Speaker 1: start season two? So that's dope. We got the YouTube
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Speaker 1: it's dope. So they're into that. They love basketball now
Speaker 1: and then in video games, so it's you know, and
Speaker 1: then I had a four year I have a four
Speaker 1: year old who's coming down the pipe, who's likely six
Speaker 1: or seven. He's gonna be a big ass defensive end.
Speaker 1: That's why I have my fiance. And then we have
Speaker 1: her daughter that's eleven, her son that's ten, and her
Speaker 1: son that's nine. So we bro we got Christmas is active?
Speaker 1: Oh fuck, every day is fucking active? What Christmas? So
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Speaker 1: back to the interview. Oh my goodness, Yo, there was
Speaker 1: one of the more iconic moments that we always see
Speaker 1: when there's Kobe highlights is when you're on the Magic
Speaker 1: and you pump face him with the ball and he
Speaker 1: does not flinch. Talk talk to me about that game
Speaker 1: in that moment and what led up to that, and
Speaker 1: just kind of because he didn't flinch at all, and
Speaker 1: that was kind of, you know, like, you're naturally flinch.
Speaker 1: I don't care how tough you are. You flinch, Yeah, fu,
Speaker 1: how tough you are. Everybody flinch is in that moment.
Speaker 1: First of all, I didn't realize how close it was
Speaker 1: to his face, but I just thought what I've always thought,
Speaker 1: he's a cold motherfucker. I like. So, I met Kobe
Speaker 1: in ninety eight. So he came to the Lakers in
Speaker 1: ninety six. I got to UCLA in ninety eight, and
Speaker 1: he was young, and so you know, well, document it's
Speaker 1: kind of an outcast on that team when he'll be younger.
Speaker 1: So he used to be on our campus all the time,
Speaker 1: like eating, chilling, talking to people, working out, playing, picking up.
Speaker 1: So I you know, I've known Kobe on just to
Speaker 1: what's up level since I was eighteen years old, you know,
Speaker 1: and once I got in the league, it was just
Speaker 1: always I knew when I was at UCLA he used
Speaker 1: to sneak back into Polly and work out. I'm just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this motherfucker is gonna be him. Remember one time when
Speaker 1: he had a broken right hand, he would do a
Speaker 1: whole work I left handed, the whole thing like he
Speaker 1: was a left It was incredible. I'm just like, so,
Speaker 1: you know, got a chance to play with them. They
Speaker 1: were just always mutual respect, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: He plays hard, I play hard. So we get to
Speaker 1: that situation with the Magic and Lakers. They had just
Speaker 1: played in the finals the year before, yep. So that
Speaker 1: following year, it was like March getting close to the playoffs,
Speaker 1: and you know, we're both both sides looking good, so
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, like, hey, we're gonna play these motherfuckers and finals.
Speaker 1: So it was just a back and forth game and
Speaker 1: and and you know, guys that played against Cob would
Speaker 1: tell you like, not only is he a killer, but
Speaker 1: he's like he tries to mentally bully you and intimidate
Speaker 1: you too. So he does all the sneak ship with
Speaker 1: the elbows and sports and held me and my sternaman
Speaker 1: and knocked the wind out of me that game, Like
Speaker 1: I caught a lot like he tried to. He was
Speaker 1: guarding me, and he tried to block the white shot
Speaker 1: from helpside and it came off the grim perfect and
Speaker 1: I caught a dunk tip and thats all was coming
Speaker 1: off with her, and this motherfucker eld with me from
Speaker 1: like my my growing area to my chest and right
Speaker 1: underneath my chin and the rest right there. I'm like, you,
Speaker 1: bitch ass motherfucker, You're not gonna call nothing, huh like.
Speaker 1: So I just got to the point where I was
Speaker 1: gonna fight him. It was dope. We talked about it
Speaker 1: on my podcast. He wasn't budget. I wasn't budget. But
Speaker 1: long story short, we end up beating them that game.
Speaker 1: They go to finals, beat Boston. We lose to Boston
Speaker 1: in the Eastern Finals. Lakers beat Boston in the finals,
Speaker 1: and then are you on the Lakers the next year?
Speaker 1: I'm a free agent the next that summer and the
Speaker 1: ship with Orlando fell through. So I was actually in
Speaker 1: tossed with pat Riley to go to the Heat and
Speaker 1: he's kind of telling me what's coming to the Heat.
Speaker 1: And that's when Bron and Chris Bosh and that's what
Speaker 1: he was telling me. Who are the crunch time lineup?
Speaker 1: But be and you know he said it would be
Speaker 1: you know me, Mike Miller, d Way, Bron and Bosh
Speaker 1: at im just like, yeah, all of us, six eight,
Speaker 1: all of us do everything that could. And then out
Speaker 1: of the blue, I get a call on my phone
Speaker 1: from my number I don't have saved, and I really
Speaker 1: don't answer my phone anyway. For some reason, I just
Speaker 1: answered it and it was cold. Yeah, Hello, Yeah, what's
Speaker 1: going on? Its cold? I'm like, yeah, fuck, who is this? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's me. I got your number form So so I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, Okay, what's happening. Who's you gonna do
Speaker 1: next year? I don't know what you're talking about. He's like,
Speaker 1: you know, we just start going back and forth, and
Speaker 1: just like any anybody crazy enough to fuck with me,
Speaker 1: it's crazy enough to play with me. Do you want
Speaker 1: to be a Laker? I'm like, hey, motherfucking yeah. So,
Speaker 1: like three or four days after that, I was a Laker.
Speaker 1: Do you ever think back to like what would have
Speaker 1: happened if you went to the Heat? Oh? Man, I
Speaker 1: would have won too, Champ maybe three maybe three? Maybe
Speaker 1: you would have been the difference against the Mavericks. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: because I was someone who can you know, put some
Speaker 1: miles on dart Man. Yeah, never know. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it's always but to me, it's you know, to get
Speaker 1: a chance to play, like I grew up a Laker fan.
Speaker 1: Yeah of course. Now help me out here. So you
Speaker 1: go to the Lakers. Is this around the time Dwight
Speaker 1: and Steve Nashville? This is I'm in the Clippers by then? Okay,
Speaker 1: okay that makes sense. Yeah, okay, okay, come there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know that unfortunately that situation didn't work out
Speaker 1: for them. You played with Dwight and I feel like,
Speaker 1: like you were saying earlier, I feel like Dwight somehow
Speaker 1: does not get a fair shake when we think about
Speaker 1: the best baby with oh Man, when he was with
Speaker 1: the Magic, Like we're talking about like all NBA leading
Speaker 1: every All Star Game. I mean they went to the finals,
Speaker 1: like Dwight beat lebron in the finals with the Eastern Finals.
Speaker 1: Dwight in the Eastern Finals, That's what I mean. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but the most disrespect ever from someone who was a
Speaker 1: factor on a Lakers championship team a few years ago,
Speaker 1: like a couple of years ago, Like, yeah, yeah, it
Speaker 1: was incredible. What Dwhight does. He just rushed back from
Speaker 1: his back surgery, you know what I mean, he something
Speaker 1: that was supposed to take a year. I think he
Speaker 1: was back moving around in you know, four or five months.
Speaker 1: He wanted, you know, to prove itself. Was so bad
Speaker 1: to the Laker fans, and he was never the same
Speaker 1: you know, the Dwhite I used to played to play for.
Speaker 1: I never felt more comfortable playing defense than I knew
Speaker 1: when Dwight I was behind me because he was someone
Speaker 1: that would lay you out or he can jump to
Speaker 1: the top of the backboard and block the shot and
Speaker 1: he was just so fucking strong too. So yeah, D
Speaker 1: White was a box. Uh, you're obviously a big hip
Speaker 1: hop guy. Give me your top five favorite albums of
Speaker 1: all time? I don't. I won't go. Let me go people, Okay,
Speaker 1: give me your top five because you got Tupac on
Speaker 1: your hand. Yeah, I got Tupac and Nipsey on my hand.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take Tupac and and and Biggie out of it. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's fair. Me. Those are my two all time favorites
Speaker 1: outside of that and that's and and anybody can say
Speaker 1: those two who do I listen to the most. I
Speaker 1: listened to jay Z, I listened to to Wayne, I
Speaker 1: listened to Drake, I listened to Nipsy. It's my fifth
Speaker 1: gonna be it's probably gonna be a tie between like
Speaker 1: Rick Ross and Snoop. That's fair, that's fair. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: not a bad five. What you funk with any of
Speaker 1: the younger ship because obviously there's my kids like I
Speaker 1: like Little Baby. I saw that there was a little there.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you, because you're a hip hop here,
Speaker 1: there was a debate. Obviously I know where I stand,
Speaker 1: but they said, uh, a little Wayne or Little Baby thing.
Speaker 1: It's a little Wayne. I don't even think it's close.
Speaker 1: It's not even close. It's like, like, let's relax, a
Speaker 1: relax with all due respects, with all due respect. I
Speaker 1: love Little Baby and I love My Turn a great album.
Speaker 1: Everyone needs to fucking relax. Everyone needs to relax. I
Speaker 1: saw that tweet going viral. I'm like, guys, everyone needs
Speaker 1: to fucking relaxed for I didn't even comment on it,
Speaker 1: just because I knew that and I'm very and I'm
Speaker 1: very critical of a little Wayne. Everyone needs the fucking relax.
Speaker 1: They're not in the same fucking conversation. Yeah, people, These
Speaker 1: Twitter people are fucking insane. I'll just be staying in
Speaker 1: my like I said, if I hear it out and
Speaker 1: about or you know, in the in the content space
Speaker 1: out here and my kids are telling me about it,
Speaker 1: but most of the time I'll be staying in my
Speaker 1: own you know. I mean, the the people I listed,
Speaker 1: I'd be kind of staying to them, Like heavy on Nip, Huge,
Speaker 1: just huge fan of Nip. Got a chance to meet
Speaker 1: Nip when man. When I first came to the Lakers
Speaker 1: sold in two thousand and my brothers always put me
Speaker 1: on music. It was like you forty always at these
Speaker 1: Warriors games, there was this something that Okay, you know
Speaker 1: he was loyal. I love Forty. That's my guy. He
Speaker 1: was loyal to the soil. I just want to make
Speaker 1: sure he's keeping that energy because him and I argue
Speaker 1: all the time about sports. He's always from. He was
Speaker 1: always from. That's the one thing about the Bay not
Speaker 1: to change subject. That was always dope was the Bay
Speaker 1: always show love like the like that we believe team
Speaker 1: we made history, but they had been bulleted. But it
Speaker 1: always the fans were always crazy. It always smelled like
Speaker 1: weed and oracle like the Bay was. That was such
Speaker 1: a crazy uh just it was what was it you?
Speaker 1: Michael Petrice, Baron Davis, They Rich, Stephen Jackson, Al Harrington,
Speaker 1: Monte Ellis Beadrince b Drins that big tall mm hmm
Speaker 1: Germany from Lafia. He's from one of those fucking yeah
Speaker 1: to drink his ass on boy. They used to call
Speaker 1: him Goose because he was in the club with the
Speaker 1: whole thing of Goose. When did you leave the Warriors
Speaker 1: eight nine, two and two thousand and nine. I was
Speaker 1: there two thousand and six seven. Monte Alis was coming
Speaker 1: off the bench on that team. When you say Monte
Speaker 1: was the most improved player that year, I think in
Speaker 1: the NBA. But he rotated from he went back and
Speaker 1: forth from starting coming off the bench. I started off.
Speaker 1: He was a bucket, man, Man was a killer. He
Speaker 1: was a bucket. He was just a baby. But yeah,
Speaker 1: my table is nice. Me listen, man. I love the podcast.
Speaker 1: I love everything you're doing. I love watching you on TV.
Speaker 1: You do a great job. I feel like, like we
Speaker 1: were talking about earlier, Man, sometimes you'll see like people
Speaker 1: who are on TV and they got there because you know,
Speaker 1: just because you're the biggest day, don't mean you're great
Speaker 1: at talking about shit on TV. Let's just say that.
Speaker 1: I think we've realized that safe. Yeah, that's safe to say,
Speaker 1: but it's dope to see, you know. I feel like
Speaker 1: you've done a great job of turning turning your second
Speaker 1: career into something that's that's on high integrity. And I
Speaker 1: just I mean to me and I'm always me, like
Speaker 1: JT said that one time and to me a residents
Speaker 1: so much like every room I'm rock in on me. Yep,
Speaker 1: you know, whether I'm at ESPN, I can't cuss as
Speaker 1: much as I normally tut. I'm still gonna be me,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, I'm in every room, I walking
Speaker 1: I'm walking into NBC doing the King shit, I'm walking
Speaker 1: into Showtime doing all the smoke. I'm doing stuff with ESPN,
Speaker 1: I've done stuff with Fox. Like I'm just always me,
Speaker 1: and I think that's kind of allowed me to, first
Speaker 1: of all, dispell any kind the notions you may have
Speaker 1: had about me, like, yeah, he's a dog, he's this
Speaker 1: is not just a competitor. And I like to fight.
Speaker 1: I don't like to fight when I'm over. But that's
Speaker 1: just who I was as a player, you know. But
Speaker 1: as a as a as a man, as a father,
Speaker 1: as a business owner, as a as a as a
Speaker 1: as a mind, I'd like to say I kind of
Speaker 1: got it together. So it's just we got to smoke out.
Speaker 1: Stephen A. Yeah, he owes me to smoke out. Actually,
Speaker 1: And I feel like Richard Jefferson could use some fucking
Speaker 1: weed because he's he seems a little uptight. Listened him up?
Speaker 1: Does r J smoking mass? I don't know you should
Speaker 1: find out. Shout out to r J. You of a
Speaker 1: even though I fuck with a su over u A.
Speaker 1: But yeah, man, who he who oh weight on nine
Speaker 1: on the Suns. That was Steve Nash, was that Robin
Speaker 1: was that Robin Lopez, Robin Lopez, Grant Hill, Rajah Bell
Speaker 1: That was the first year Shack was on the team,
Speaker 1: right when we traded from so Yeah, Rajah Bell was
Speaker 1: a dog too, was tough. Yeah, marche Stodamyer So that's
Speaker 1: the year Maris State that almost got his eye poked out,
Speaker 1: and the remember and didn't really play like half. We
Speaker 1: had Terry Porter. Terry Porter's a new coach. Terry Port. Oh,
Speaker 1: I was able to get fired at All Star breaks.
Speaker 1: I remember that you fired after like not even I
Speaker 1: remember that Terry Porter was a terrible coach. You know what? Okay,
Speaker 1: did you play with Earl Watson at U c l A. Okay,
Speaker 1: he coached our sons for a little bit, right. A
Speaker 1: lot of people feel like he got a bad shake.
Speaker 1: What do you think he did? I liked it and
Speaker 1: and the and the players resonated with him too, because
Speaker 1: I feel like they fired him like super quick and like, dude,
Speaker 1: he inherited a ship show with Eric Bledsoe didn't want
Speaker 1: to be there that it was Ryan McDonough was trash
Speaker 1: and yeah, it was it was under some racial tension
Speaker 1: that him went down with Sarvar. That's how he got fired.
Speaker 1: Did you catch any of the racial tension ship because
Speaker 1: you you played for Donald Sterling, right, Yeah, that I
Speaker 1: was on that team. You were on that team and
Speaker 1: the Warriors in the playoffs and that was crazy, crazy
Speaker 1: Chris Paul has been on two of those teams now.
Speaker 1: But when you played for the Suns for that short stint,
Speaker 1: did you notice any of that type of like work
Speaker 1: environment or any of the No, because I wasn't you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, I wasn't really mixing with him,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, you know, obviously on
Speaker 1: the guys on the team, he's going to be cool
Speaker 1: with around, He's going to be cool. He's always he's
Speaker 1: trying to be cool, you know. So I never really
Speaker 1: saw no smoke. I had just had a little bit
Speaker 1: of smoke with him once I left, and he toak
Speaker 1: some slictions me during the game and I told him
Speaker 1: I slaped the shit out of him, and he told
Speaker 1: him and I got fined. What was it like playing
Speaker 1: with Steve though? Sharp mind, hard worker, tough, tough. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Nash was a beast. I just think that he he
Speaker 1: just wasn't the right fit. I you know, I hope.
Speaker 1: I think Steve can be a good coach in this league.
Speaker 1: I just don't think that was the right The NETS
Speaker 1: fit was right for him. But I mean, Steve is
Speaker 1: a bright mind, and yeah, I feel like the NETS
Speaker 1: thing is like you kind of you kind of don't
Speaker 1: want to be a fellow Hall of Famer coaching the
Speaker 1: other Hall of famers. If that makes it, I don't know,
Speaker 1: but yeah, we'll see. Man, would you ever get into
Speaker 1: coaching thanks of too much time? Yeah? He probably make
Speaker 1: more money doing your thing anyway, and got a lot
Speaker 1: of respect. I coached my kids AU team, but that ship,
Speaker 1: that's two time consumer. I just don't have time. There
Speaker 1: it is, bro, We'll listen all the smoke new episodes?
Speaker 1: Is it? How often you guys dropping a weekly every Thursday?
Speaker 1: Every Thursday? Catch you on ESPN. If you pull into
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