WEBVTT - #258 - Matt Barnes 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:06.640 Buleg Cap Podcast special guest in here, the legendary Matt Barnes. Welcome, 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:09.719 rather welcome, Welcome Man, thanks for having me, NBA veteran 0:00:10.280 --> 0:00:17.800 legendary podcaster, NBA broadcaster personality, he's got hands, the man 0:00:17.880 --> 0:00:20.440 of many talents. Yeah, I appreciate you pulling up man 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:22.279 for real. Bro. Thank you for having me. Bro. You're 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:25.080 always one of my favorite players to watch, BRO when 0:00:25.120 --> 0:00:27.520 you were playing, because I always like, look at the 0:00:27.520 --> 0:00:31.920 players who I'm like, Man, I hate watching him, but 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:34.600 if he was on my team, I would love. I 0:00:34.680 --> 0:00:36.640 just played hard. I mean I was a football player, 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:38.279 you know what I mean. I played football growing up. 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:40.760 I kind of got into basketball late junior highest because 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:43.680 I kept getting taller and I started taking more serious. 0:00:43.720 --> 0:00:45.440 But I grew up being football, So I just looked 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:48.599 at myself as like a football player out there playing basketball. 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:52.239 So I liked the physicality. I played hard, and you know, 0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:54.880 I got fifteen years out of it, so it was cool. 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:57.920 What position did you play football? Receiver? That makes sense. 0:00:57.960 --> 0:00:59.480 I was nice, not the two min horn. I was 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:01.880 nice to I led the nation in touchdowns. I was 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:04.639 all American, like the top receiver coming out of high school. 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:08.679 Where are you actually, like originally from So born in 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:11.120 San Jose, lived there for about six seven years, and 0:01:11.160 --> 0:01:13.840 then did the rest of my time from like eight 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:16.800 to eighteen in Sacramento, and then came down to La 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:19.039 for u C. L A and pretty much been in 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:21.440 La ever since. Yeah, so you are a West Coast 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:24.880 boy for real, for real, Kelly. Yeah, yeah, I mean 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:27.520 so obviously growing up you had to be a Kings fan. 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:32.000 Chris Webber, So, I grew up a Lakers fan. The 0:01:32.200 --> 0:01:35.920 Magic Johnson you know, showtime in the early eighties when 0:01:35.959 --> 0:01:37.720 I started with My dad liked the Lakers, so I 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:40.360 grew up really liking them in the forty nine ers, 0:01:40.600 --> 0:01:42.840 and then the Kings came, you know, when I got 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:44.679 to Sack, you know, the Kings were the team, but 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:47.480 they weren't very good. So I started, like, I always 0:01:47.480 --> 0:01:49.080 have respect because that's where I was, you know, kind 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:52.640 of growing up at but you always paid attention. Yeah yeah. 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:55.559 But once they got web and and j will First 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:57.520 and Bib and those are the you know, those are 0:01:57.520 --> 0:01:59.360 the homies, that's when I really kind of started rooting 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:01.360 for him. So I remember being at UCLA when that 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:04.320 King's Lakership was going on that was a serious beef. 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:06.880 That shit was fun in the early two thousands. Yeah, 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:08.400 that's one of like I feel like when we talk 0:02:08.440 --> 0:02:11.359 about like teams that like never got a ring. Oh yeah, 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:12.760 one of the greatest to never win it. I think 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:14.800 it's like the Kings and the running gun Sons, like 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:18.080 the seven seconds or Less Sons. One of those Portland 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:20.880 teams were good. Oh, those Portland teams that even even 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:25.040 the Pacers teams. Yeah, those the mouse at the Palace here, 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:26.920 those guys were supposed to be the best team in 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:30.200 the league. Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. You were like, uh, 0:02:30.840 --> 0:02:33.680 you were kind of like I feel like we were 0:02:33.720 --> 0:02:35.760 just talking a bit off the camera, but you were 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:37.840 kind of like the veteran that I felt like the 0:02:37.960 --> 0:02:41.280 young dudes really also respected on your teams. Would that 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:43.400 be there to say, you know, I just I led 0:02:43.440 --> 0:02:45.400 by example, you know what I mean, Like, I played 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:47.079 my ass off, I'll do anything for the team. They 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:49.880 know I'm team first, and I treated them like my family. 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:52.359 So whenever there was smoked on the court, they knew 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:54.480 I was gonna be in it. Like all the majority 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:56.240 of the times I got fined, I got fined like 0:02:56.360 --> 0:02:58.800 a lost Probably they said something over like half a 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:03.079 million dollars in fines. Jesus. It was never me starting something, 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:05.520 was me coming to the defense of a teammate, the 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:07.640 only person to paying my files that Marion was cold, 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:09.480 but everyone else let me take them. Shit, I was 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:12.640 fucked up. Did you defend somebody? So yeah, man, I mean, 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:14.000 like I said, I mean, that's just like I said. 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:16.520 I grew up with, you know, a father that if 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:18.800 your brother and sister fight, fight, you better fight. If 0:03:18.840 --> 0:03:20.360 they win and lose, you better fight. You're gonna get 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:22.519 your ass. So are you gonna get your ass whip? 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:24.000 So that's kind of how I grew up. So I 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:26.400 just always looked at my teammates as family. It's just 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:29.840 like whenever it was not that I'm the toughest, baddest motherfuckers, 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:31.760 but I'm always gonna have just no, I'm always gonna 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:34.040 have your back, right, what right or wrong, I'm gonna 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:36.080 have your back. So that's just kind of the way 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:38.040 I played. So you know, when I spoke, I was 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:39.520 never the star. I was a role player, but I 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:41.240 was never the star whatever. But you were starting a 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:43.360 lot of your career, man, But every team I was on, 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:45.440 you know, like I was a respected voice, Like I 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:47.360 wouldn't say too much, you know, I pick and choose 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:49.680 when I spoke. But I was a respected voice beginning 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:52.720 because I think I just led by example. Yeah, it's great. 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:55.320 So when you had Kobe's back and you gotta fined, 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:57.600 he paid your fis as far as ye. The only 0:03:57.680 --> 0:04:01.800 dude that's crazy because I've been watching, like obviously this 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:05.160 year there was a you' The guy who I can't 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:07.840 stand right now because of how he's treated my son's 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:11.240 is Patrick Beverly because he got at your guy CP 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:15.280 in the back and then earlier this year he later ate. Now, 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:17.760 I like Pat Bev. I just I don't like everything 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:19.760 he does, and I don't have to. He says some 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:22.360 pretty crazy shit too. Yeah, yeah, he says them out, 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:24.560 he says them atlantic. No, it wasn't really to me. 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:27.599 It was to to CP, you know. And I'm just thinking, 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:31.800 like I just didn't like. I feel like media now 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:35.120 is it's so it's less about you know, kind of 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:37.880 covering what we're watching and critiquing, and it's more just 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:40.720 about being disrespectful exactly. I just don't like that, you know. 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:42.039 I mean, I feel like, if you know the game. 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:44.040 There's so much more you can talk about than being 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:46.920 just straight disrespectful. And it's tough because we do have 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:49.000 to critique, especially for more players. We have to critique 0:04:49.040 --> 0:04:51.360 people we played with before, of course, and that's part 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:52.919 of the job. But I feel like you can critique 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:55.680 without being disrespectful. Yeah, And I just think now, I 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:59.440 mean that you see guys like Skip Bayless, he's tripping 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:02.040 right now, and you know, Steven A. Smith has his runs, 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:05.600 and I just feel like guys like are so disrespectful 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:07.520 now that players coming in and think they kind of 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:10.040 have to they have to, like want the guys carry 0:05:10.040 --> 0:05:12.080 that type of energy, But we don't because we really 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:15.280 lived it. I mean, these dudes that are out here 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:17.600 doing whatever they do and I respect everyone in their life. 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:19.760 The talking heads are different than the former player. Man. 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:21.600 We have a different we have a we have a 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:24.800 natural leg up. We really lived this, you know what 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:26.600 I mean. So I just didn't like the way and 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:29.720 the crazy part was like we had a little back 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:32.160 and forth like this is all about ratings, you know 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:33.840 what I mean. ESPN loved it. He was on TV 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:36.480 like the next six six days. Yeah, they put him 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:38.400 on and he has stuff to say, like I think 0:05:38.440 --> 0:05:40.200 he's going to be good at it when he gets done. 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:42.760 I just you know, like his you know, like come on, man, 0:05:42.760 --> 0:05:44.000 we don't need that coming, you know, the way he 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:46.839 was talking about Chris, and then like I think it's 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:49.279 obvious there's like a personal vendetta there. I mean, we 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:51.280 can go back, fine, and it can be that's right 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:53.520 right right the poorth unless you guys really gonna fight. 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:56.119 And to me, that's and to me, that's where someone 0:05:56.200 --> 0:05:58.320 like who I love to seeing Paul Pierce on TV, 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:02.479 but sometimes any time Lebron would get brought up, you 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:05.160 would just be like, Okay, we get it, bro, Like 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:08.080 we get it, Like you don't fuck with Lebron. It's 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:10.160 the first. It's the personal stuff, you know what I mean. 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:13.760 And it's just naturally as competitors, that's just how we are. 0:06:13.839 --> 0:06:15.719 But I mean, if you're gonna be on TV and 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:18.320 and really do with you know what you have the 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:21.600 capability of doing, you can't be you can be biased 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:23.640 in kind of like a cool or a funny way, 0:06:23.640 --> 0:06:25.799 but you can't be biased in a hater way. Exactly. 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:27.480 You can't be a hater. You can't be a hater 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:29.600 that's some real ship because it's just you know, look 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:31.479 at the oldhead hat and like, I just don't like, 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:34.520 I mean, this is a whole other direction even going. 0:06:34.560 --> 0:06:36.400 But the kind of like former players, I feel like 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:39.240 they have to disrespect the guys that are playing now. 0:06:39.440 --> 0:06:41.760 It happens a lot, and it just kind of respect 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:43.640 the evolution, you know. I mean, I get the money's 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:46.440 crazy high, and some of these guys, I'm never gonna say, man, 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:48.000 don't deserve the money. But you know, some of these 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:49.680 guys get paid a ton of money and don't put 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:51.440 up the numbers that some of the older dudes used 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:54.760 to get do by a long shot, and they're getting 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:57.840 paid and and and you know, again, I think it's 0:06:58.000 --> 0:07:00.560 one of those situations where we have to gritique. That's 0:07:00.600 --> 0:07:02.919 our job. But I think you can, you know, just 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:05.160 leave the hate out, like there's just no room for you. 0:07:05.760 --> 0:07:07.200 To me. You always want to love and push it 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:09.440 and courage the next generation to continue to be greater 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:11.920 and continuing to raise the bar. And if you're gonna 0:07:11.920 --> 0:07:14.880 critique somebody, critique them from a place of like if 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:16.960 they see that they might be able to take something 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:21.080 from that to their game. Criticism. It's about being constructed 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:23.200 because otherwise you're being a dick, Like, really help these 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:25.280 young dudes out off the court. I feel like they 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:27.560 can do, you know, especially some of these legends that 0:07:27.600 --> 0:07:29.880 are that are on TV. And I'm not saying, you know, 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:33.120 all they do is disrespectful. There's times I'm saying, like, damn, bro, 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:35.480 you used to play a player, say some ship like that, 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:37.040 you know what I mean. But it's like, you know, 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:41.080 I think that the only guy who like I'm not 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:44.360 everyone looks the other way on because guys like KD 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:46.600 and there's been a lot of people. But I just 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:49.040 feel like Charles Barkley is in a space in his 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:54.040 own where Barkley can just just just sha might get 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:55.840 some ship. But Charles doesn't give a fuck what you 0:07:56.040 --> 0:07:58.600 Charles don't give a fuck. And I think it's just 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:00.720 a part of the culture. Now. I don't always agree 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:03.840 with Charles, but I love the fuck this is me well. 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:05.920 I think also, Chuck's been doing that job for like 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:09.680 twenty twenty five years now, so like he's his NBA 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:14.280 career has almost his broadcasting careers almost as great as 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:17.600 some people only know him as broadcast you know, and 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:19.440 but the one thing I love about him is he's 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:21.440 always been as a player, he was this way, this 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:23.080 is me, take her to leave it, you know what 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:25.800 I mean. So I always you know, respect Chuck. But 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:27.720 again he's one of the you know people in the 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:30.800 spaces where when you know, I think something like you 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:33.040 do you give him a past because it's Chuck, you 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:34.559 know what I mean. I think he kind of him 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:36.680 and yeah, kind of gets a pass. People be on 0:08:36.720 --> 0:08:38.600 Shack's ass too, but I mean a Shack like, what 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:40.480 can you really say to Shaq? You know what I mean? 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:42.440 So I think there's a few guys that are just 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:46.160 like they're gonna do what they're gonna do. It's not 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:49.079 always hating, but it's just you know, sometimes some credise 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:50.840 ship come at the mouth. But I mean outside of that, 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:53.680 I just think, you know, we should always try it again, critique, 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:55.959 but make it ruck constructive, kidder sism, something they can 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:57.680 adder their life or to their game. Yeah. No, you 0:08:57.760 --> 0:09:02.440 obviously had a fifteen year NBA career When you guys 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:07.120 were playing, how much did you actually pay attention to 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:11.199 the talking heads, to the sports talk shows? It was different, 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:12.360 you know what I mean, because you got to think. 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:14.360 I came into the league in the early two thousands, 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:15.760 you know what I mean, So it was maybe like 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:18.400 the last five or six years it was. It was 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:21.080 a part of that era. I think I retired to seventeen, 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:24.120 so the wave it kind of already hit. But now 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:26.920 it's you know, it always continues to evolve. But you 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:29.120 hear it. I mean, no matter what anyone says, you 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:31.560 hear everything. And I remember getting a chance to interview 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:33.199 Kobe on our show and we asked him, you know, 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:35.400 because he was criticized so much as like, you know 0:09:35.480 --> 0:09:37.839 what what criticism hurt the most? He said, all of them. 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:39.640 It's like I heard all of them, you know what 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:42.520 I mean. So and someone is locked in and focused 0:09:42.559 --> 0:09:44.800 on what he's supposed to do, Like, no matter what 0:09:44.840 --> 0:09:47.360 a player says, he hears it everything. Yeah, and they 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:49.400 take it in. I think, I think that's anybody, right. 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:51.160 But see I used to be the opposite. Like I 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:54.280 used to be the guy that would you know, be 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:56.960 on the table getting stretched or getting treatment before the 0:09:56.960 --> 0:09:58.960 game and looking on Twitter for people talking shit to 0:09:58.960 --> 0:10:00.719 me just to kind of motivate amore, you know what 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:02.600 I mean, Like like use it as kind of like 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:05.120 a chip where like continue to light the fire, just 0:10:05.679 --> 0:10:09.320 you know, to say fuck you to the haters. But 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:11.719 it's a lot, man, you know, and everyone kind of 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:15.920 handles it the way they handle it. But just it's 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:17.959 a twenty four hour news cycle. They always need news. 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:19.960 That's why I think the quality of news has gone 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:23.000 down because it has much of it. It has for sure, 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:25.800 I think, I mean, of course, not even just sports, yeah, 0:10:25.840 --> 0:10:28.440 in general. And I think too, like you know this, 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:30.680 probably more than anyone, Like, I think the networks have 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:35.560 all figured out what generates ratings is these debate shows. 0:10:35.880 --> 0:10:37.680 So as soon as you wake up, you got Nick right, 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:40.600 and then you got skipping shedded, and then you got 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:42.920 Collin cow heard, and then you got so it's like 0:10:43.280 --> 0:10:47.680 it's almost like what CNN figured out ten years prior, 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:50.400 is like, if we just have people on TV arguing yeah, 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:52.720 no question, it's going to be a lot more better 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:55.080 for the bottom line than if we actually just have 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:58.640 people analyzing the game and showing highlights. It's all about ratings, 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:02.520 that's all. It's about about views, eyeballs ratings. I'm curious 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:06.000 because I saw you you spoke about what Skip tweeted. 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:10.319 Obviously DeMar Hamlin is going through it. That was a 0:11:10.440 --> 0:11:13.880 very scary situation as a pro athlete. Yeah, obviously you 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:18.200 know there's there's risking football. You played football, but you know, 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:22.920 it was definitely a scary situation. And then the interaction 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:26.360 between Shannon and Skip on TV today was pretty it 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:29.160 was it was hard to watch. I just it's it's 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:32.520 disheartening because you know, as a as a player, I 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:35.320 used to really like Skip, but I thought his takes 0:11:35.320 --> 0:11:38.040 sometimes or you know, would toe the line. But he 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:39.920 was good, like he knew what he was talking about. 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:41.720 But I just feel like, I don't know, I think 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:46.040 maybe as his celebrity has grown, is his his entitlement 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:52.320 and his lack of respect for players. His co host 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:56.320 has just kind of continued just to climb. And I 0:11:56.400 --> 0:11:59.040 felt though, although he said some other stuff in his tweets, 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:03.840 like it was just an insensitive and an untimely thing 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:06.600 to tweet out for the world to see at that 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:09.319 time when this man is literally his heart is beating, 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:12.400 stop beating twice on the field, you know what I mean. 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:15.560 But Skip is smart, you know, so when Skip said, 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:17.960 you know, how can they think about canceling or whatever 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:20.920 exact words, were this is so meaningful, but then at 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:23.080 the end he knew. I was like, yeah, this is 0:12:23.120 --> 0:12:25.480 a little spicy, so let me put you know, everything 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:27.480 seems so irrelevant right now though, like he knew what 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:29.600 he was doing. Like you just like again, wrong time, 0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:32.200 wrong place for the tweet. But I think, like I said, 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:34.959 it's been building up, like the way he disrespects Shannon 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:37.840 today this morning was Shannon was on his malap But 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:39.719 like two weeks, a couple of weeks ago, a couple 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:42.960 of weeks ago, it was bad. And I made a 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:45.679 post today talking about like I've had and I'm not 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:47.319 gonna give up no names, but I've had to put 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:52.800 out two fires of people currently in the NBA. They 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:55.560 wanted to whoop skips ass and I had to connect 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:58.600 dots to to get you know, these kind of phone 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:01.560 calls handah, because like I said, it's just there again, 0:13:01.600 --> 0:13:04.280 there's a line, there's and and to me he's and 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:07.559 again he well you know he has a long line 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:10.040 of you know, respectable work in this business. But again, 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:12.920 I just feel like of late, it's been crazy, but 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:15.000 it's just like people are tired of that, you know 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:16.240 what I mean. Like at the end of these are 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:18.240 men like you're talking to men that that that that 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:20.600 that raise their children, you know what I mean, and 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:22.760 have to you know, walk around in public with you 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:25.840 just like blatantly disrespect Like, motherfucker's not playing that no more. 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:28.480 I think too, Like when you know, I think sometimes 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:31.520 this happens with stephen A because like obviously Skip is 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:34.960 the biggest personality on that channel. As as by the 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:37.360 way I treated this the other day, I think it 0:13:37.400 --> 0:13:40.600 was Christmas and stephen A. Smith was on TV all 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:44.000 fucking day. I was like, this is the hardest work. 0:13:44.320 --> 0:13:46.520 How much money could ESPN be paying this guy? Because 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:49.200 you know, he's he's he's he's getting it. I'm going 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:51.440 n happy for Steve. No, he's killing it. He's killing it, 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:53.640 And I understand. But but I'm from a standpoint like 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:56.280 I understand Skip, Like Skip has that lane. So it's 0:13:56.320 --> 0:13:58.680 almost like a one up type. How can I keep 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:01.000 how can I keep on having my name in everyone's 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:03.280 mouth and being right? You know what I mean. So 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:06.320 it's just like but I just feel like lately he's 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:08.840 been in and you've seen times we're just like Shannon. 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:10.880 I mean, I got a lot of respect for Shannon sharp. 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:12.240 I mean there's a lot of times where you can 0:14:12.280 --> 0:14:14.560 see he's taking deep breaths and they kind of calm 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:16.720 down from having to ring this dude's neck on on 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:19.000 live TV. And you would and and and you know, 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:21.000 there's times where I really do feel like that they 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:23.280 have some genuine love for each other. No, Yeah, they 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:25.400 definitely do. Shannon had a lot of because we had 0:14:25.440 --> 0:14:26.640 him on the show. Not to cut you off, but 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:28.600 Shannon has a lot, like paid a lot of love 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:31.320 and respect to to Skip making that show happen, and 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:33.440 how skips they wouldn't work with no one. So there's 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:35.920 a lot of love there. Like he's openly said that, 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:38.640 but I think of late like, to me, it's that 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:41.920 that that entitled arrogance that he he he he throws 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:44.680 out there in the one a few weeks ago when 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:46.640 he was trying to put his glasses back on him 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:49.080 just like, yeh know, that was fucking crazy, you out 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:51.000 of your mind? Yeah, like I was seeing a rock 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:53.560 waller on a chihuahua. Yeah, Like nobody talks like you 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:57.920 shouldn't talk to anybody like that, man, Like that's that's 0:14:58.000 --> 0:14:59.840 that's your true feelings, you know what I mean. That's 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:02.360 sposed to be your man right there and and to 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:04.400 let it happen on TV. Like it just to me 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:07.000 that that ship that Reeks entitled me, I wonder how 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:09.320 long that's gonna I always after I saw today, I 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:11.320 was like, this can't last much longer. I mean, the 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:13.200 same thing I put the same thing out there. I'm 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:15.440 just like, you know, portunately, this show, I feel like 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:17.000 it's going to come to an end because like there's 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:18.920 only so much that's gonna take, you know what I mean? 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:21.080 And Skip is who he is and there and it 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:23.400 sucks because they're really good. They're great to get a 0:15:23.480 --> 0:15:26.720 really good show. It's they're better than Skipping stephen A. 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:31.040 To me, they're they're name and name of because remember 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:33.440 when remember when it was Steven Skip and everybody was like, 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:37.600 what's gonna happen Skips leaving the Fox? I'll take Shannon 0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:40.360 over and and and skip over over the old first 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:43.480 take any day, man. I mean, I like, I like 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:45.880 what Steven A. Smith does. And you know, obviously I'm 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:48.280 at ESPN, so I got a lot of but but 0:15:48.400 --> 0:15:51.440 just just straight if I'm talking like straight, like if 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:55.160 I'm a them two right there together, that they're dynamic. 0:15:56.000 --> 0:15:58.360 It's been gold yeah, you know for a while. But 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:00.520 like I said, I just I think he see Shannon 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:03.080 sees it, the world sees it like Skip is just 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:07.240 really really feeling himself on a disrespectful tip of late 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:08.960 and just I just don't think people are going to 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:12.520 continue to put up with that. So now you were 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:15.360 a part of The Jump, which was one of my 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:19.160 favorite NBA shows of the I mean probably since I've 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:22.480 been an adult, because it reminds me of like it 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:24.200 just reminded me like when I was a kid, there 0:16:24.240 --> 0:16:28.440 was like dope NBA shows like Inside Stuff and you know, different. 0:16:28.840 --> 0:16:33.440 It didn't feel like a generic NBA show. And obviously, uh, 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:36.800 you know, you guys brought Rachel over to Showtime Sports, 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:39.040 which is where you guys have your podcast. You had 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:41.720 her on the show. You guys had her back. What 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:44.640 that was going through that situation and kind of seeing 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:46.800 your friend go through a situation which you know, the 0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:49.720 cancel culture shit kind of rears its head and their 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:52.880 context gets thrown out the window. Nuance gets thrown out 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:56.240 the window. Yeah, I mean, it's it's just unfortunate because 0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:59.760 you know, you you're you're in the business in the business. 0:16:59.840 --> 0:17:02.720 It's a dirty business, you know what I mean, And 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:06.360 when you kind of know, when you find out what happened, 0:17:07.040 --> 0:17:09.680 it's just like oh ship, damn, you know, and and 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:11.600 then there's proof of that's how it happened, but it 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:15.159 still got played out a whole nother way, just like damn. 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:18.080 That's you know, it's it's a cold game. But you know, 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:19.800 for any of you guys, go check out that Rachel 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:22.800 Nichols episode on All the Smoke on Showtime YouTube and 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:25.960 it'll just kind of show you, well, you guys cut 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:27.600 a lot out too, Am I wrong? Because it was 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:30.480 kind of short? Yeah, no, it was. It was you know, 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:32.879 it was crazy because you know, obviously you know my 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:35.840 thing is, you know, I'm also employed by You're on 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:37.800 both sides. I mean, so I'm mumbo. So it's not 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:40.040 like I'm ever going to play a corporate type role. 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:44.360 But if it's just like I can't show that I'm 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:48.240 like on like hosting, I can't let you just throw dirt, 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:52.879 yeah yeah, because that makes it reflection on me. So 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:54.520 I'm you know, I'm gonna keep business, but I'm also 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:55.639 gonna keep it real. And I had a lot of 0:17:55.640 --> 0:17:57.960 love for Rachel, you know what I mean. But you 0:17:57.960 --> 0:17:59.399 know what was crazy was I had to talk to 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:02.520 some ESP people after that, and it wasn't nothing like crazy. 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:04.600 It was just more you know, kind of give us 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:06.240 a heads up. But I felt like, you know, if 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:09.840 if if Rachel's truth, if her telling her truth on 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:11.439 my show was going to cost me my job, there, 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:13.639 I would have took that right because that's how to me, 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:16.360 how dope she was, how opening she was, how how 0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:18.920 important and instrumental she was to me and stacked in particular, 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:22.119 But guys like t mac paul, all these people like 0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:24.200 she really kind of just really showed us the ropes 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:26.920 on that on that jump show, you know what I mean. 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:28.720 So once I found out like what really happened, was 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:30.600 just like damn, this is this is sticky. But at 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:32.119 the same time, like I feel like I got to 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:33.840 let my sister talk and if it's going to cost 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:35.320 me much was dope, which was dope because a lot 0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:37.000 of people wouldn't do that. Yeah, if it's going to 0:18:37.040 --> 0:18:39.280 cost me my job, it's going to cost me my job. 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:41.520 But you know, to me, her truth is important because 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:42.720 she's a good person, you know what I mean. So 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:45.280 we're definitely happy to have her over at you know, 0:18:45.840 --> 0:18:48.359 Showtime now, which is dope. You know, we're continuing to 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:52.320 build a beautiful little ecosystem over there with her, Kevin Garnett, 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:56.080 Paul Pierce, you know myself, Stack. You know, we got 0:18:56.080 --> 0:18:58.360 guys coming in and out. So we got t Max, 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:01.000 so we got AI. 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And it was it was amazing, It was 0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:58.160 it was amazing because I was like, because I remember 0:20:58.200 --> 0:21:01.080 like being like twenty one twenty two DJ and Scott Steale. 0:21:01.119 --> 0:21:03.760 Paul Pierce would always be at the club, having himself 0:21:03.760 --> 0:21:07.280 a good time, great guy, like but I remember is 0:21:07.320 --> 0:21:10.240 great energy, great energy. But I just remember seeing that 0:21:10.280 --> 0:21:13.240 ship and being like this is the This feels like 0:21:14.000 --> 0:21:17.960 if the Boondogs was on right now, they they would 0:21:17.960 --> 0:21:21.680 somehow parody Paul Pierce being at like being at a 0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:25.320 house party with strippers. All has fun, all has fun, 0:21:25.359 --> 0:21:27.280 you know, but it's just like it takes us back 0:21:27.320 --> 0:21:32.040 obviously it doesn't get more Disney, you know what I mean. 0:21:32.119 --> 0:21:34.159 Like Disney is under you know, ESPN is of the 0:21:34.240 --> 0:21:36.680 Disney umbrella, so we always kind of have to be 0:21:36.920 --> 0:21:38.960 mindful of mindful of it, you know what I mean. 0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:42.479 And although you know it was just I think I 0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:44.240 just think it was just a lot at once. It 0:21:44.320 --> 0:21:45.520 was so you know what I mean, Because I've had 0:21:45.520 --> 0:21:48.320 conversations when I've renegotiated my deal with ESPN talking about 0:21:48.320 --> 0:21:50.360 you know, I'm a cannabis advocate, I have a company 0:21:50.359 --> 0:21:52.440 of the company shout to seven Leaves, thank you, shout 0:21:52.480 --> 0:21:54.919 out seven Leagus. Sometimes I'm on you know, my my 0:21:55.440 --> 0:21:58.280 Instagram smoking. But I'm also a coach of father all 0:21:58.320 --> 0:22:00.159 this kind of strang I mean, so I'm a bit is. 0:22:00.320 --> 0:22:02.080 It's a business to me, you know what I mean. 0:22:02.160 --> 0:22:04.560 So I've had to have those conversations, but it was 0:22:04.600 --> 0:22:07.080 just like Paul, shit was just like a perfect storm, 0:22:07.160 --> 0:22:11.440 I guess. So, yeah, a lot of different things and unfortunately, man, 0:22:11.520 --> 0:22:14.200 it didn't end well. It's crazy because like back in 0:22:14.240 --> 0:22:17.159 the day when you were playing, obviously they would be 0:22:17.200 --> 0:22:20.040 testing for weed, right, so like marijuana was frowned upon 0:22:20.119 --> 0:22:24.560 in the league. And what were what were you actively smoking? Yeah, man, 0:22:24.600 --> 0:22:29.879 I smoke my whole sauce. I started smoking, uh like 0:22:30.040 --> 0:22:33.560 eighth grade to ninth grade summer, So that was your 0:22:33.600 --> 0:22:36.040 starting point. You smoked throughout the whole your whole concent 0:22:36.440 --> 0:22:39.199 So what were ways you were dodging the tests. So 0:22:39.320 --> 0:22:41.400 when I first got in the league, like they used 0:22:41.400 --> 0:22:44.119 to do one team drug test in the preseason, so 0:22:44.160 --> 0:22:47.000 they would test everybody in one day. It was what 0:22:47.040 --> 0:22:49.040 it was. Everyone knew to you know, stay clean for 0:22:49.080 --> 0:22:51.160 that test and then you could you know, motherfuckers had 0:22:51.400 --> 0:22:53.080 blunts or joints in the car since we got down 0:22:53.080 --> 0:22:56.240 with practice. It's amazing. But then it you know, it started, 0:22:56.359 --> 0:22:58.119 it went to four random so it was just like 0:22:58.160 --> 0:23:01.360 a real job to stay So I would always stay up, 0:23:01.920 --> 0:23:04.720 like maybe every six to eight months, I would stock 0:23:04.760 --> 0:23:06.720 up on these. I'd go to go to I can 0:23:06.760 --> 0:23:08.600 say it now because it's not legal, So I go 0:23:08.640 --> 0:23:10.200 to G and C and I just tell them like yo, 0:23:10.920 --> 0:23:13.440 and they'd always recognize it, like what's the best drink 0:23:13.440 --> 0:23:15.840 to clean out you know the detox stuff? Yeah, yeah, 0:23:15.880 --> 0:23:17.360 and they would. I would be up front with them, 0:23:17.359 --> 0:23:19.040 and it was never shipped. It was out whatever we 0:23:19.080 --> 0:23:21.840 could see here. No, my cousins are on probation. You 0:23:21.880 --> 0:23:23.240 used to always have to go and get that ship 0:23:23.280 --> 0:23:24.600 and then drink a bunch of it. So it was 0:23:24.600 --> 0:23:26.679 always underneath the counter. So like my test day, So 0:23:26.720 --> 0:23:29.879 I used to pay my trainers a little bit of 0:23:29.880 --> 0:23:31.280 bread to just kind of give me a heads up, 0:23:31.359 --> 0:23:34.720 like hey, uh, you know, because at first they would 0:23:34.760 --> 0:23:37.359 say the names, so we would really know who's coming, 0:23:37.440 --> 0:23:40.720 you know, but later they just it was when they 0:23:40.760 --> 0:23:42.960 were coming. They wouldn't say who was getting tested until 0:23:43.000 --> 0:23:45.520 you got there. So every time I got that morning call, 0:23:45.560 --> 0:23:47.240 which everyone would get the morning call, like hey, drug 0:23:47.240 --> 0:23:49.320 test today, you know, be ready name, you get the 0:23:49.359 --> 0:23:50.879 names and you get here, I had to prepare like 0:23:50.960 --> 0:23:54.760 as if it was me. So even though it wasn't me, 0:23:54.800 --> 0:23:56.760 every time I had to prepare, and that shit is tough, 0:23:56.840 --> 0:23:59.679 Like you had to wake up hella early, drink this 0:23:59.720 --> 0:24:02.400 whole little thing and it's nasty as fuck, and then 0:24:02.480 --> 0:24:04.879 drink like three or four waters and just keep paying 0:24:05.160 --> 0:24:07.600 like you had to pee like three, four or five times. 0:24:07.600 --> 0:24:11.080 And then once you pee that much like you're your 0:24:11.119 --> 0:24:16.320 ship is a kind of a it's clear, like you 0:24:16.320 --> 0:24:18.119 have a window of like how long it's you know, 0:24:18.119 --> 0:24:20.960 your pee is clear, like six to eight hours. It's crazy. 0:24:21.240 --> 0:24:23.280 It's crazy because like I never thought as a kid, 0:24:23.280 --> 0:24:25.200 you'd see the day were like an active NBA player 0:24:25.320 --> 0:24:28.320 like KD. Right, it's like involved in a marijuana company. 0:24:28.400 --> 0:24:29.960 That's what I said, I, you know, like a lot 0:24:29.960 --> 0:24:31.399 of people took a lot of chances. You know, I 0:24:31.400 --> 0:24:34.800 got caught twice. You get caught three times, you're suspended 0:24:34.840 --> 0:24:36.639 for five games and everyone knows about it. So I 0:24:36.640 --> 0:24:40.040 got caught twice in my fifteen years. And but also 0:24:40.160 --> 0:24:42.199 like you're allowed to admit yourself to the program as 0:24:42.240 --> 0:24:43.760 well if you know you're gonna fail. One time, I 0:24:43.760 --> 0:24:45.840 didn't have my drink and they got me. I was 0:24:45.880 --> 0:24:49.320 just I was slipping. So I called the dudes right there, like, yo, 0:24:49.640 --> 0:24:51.920 I'm about to get tested and I know I'm gonna fail, 0:24:51.960 --> 0:24:53.359 and they will. They allow you to come into the 0:24:53.359 --> 0:24:56.640 rehab program. And you gotta think about all the money 0:24:56.640 --> 0:24:59.440 the NBA took from people back then, people's careers. The 0:25:00.160 --> 0:25:02.040 on the flip side, they'll you know, they'll shoot us 0:25:02.040 --> 0:25:03.879 with tour it all. They'll give us any kind of 0:25:03.920 --> 0:25:06.200 painkiller we can ask for, as much as we need. 0:25:06.400 --> 0:25:08.399 And I'm sure football is even worse. And it's just 0:25:08.440 --> 0:25:10.879 like they want to pump us full of that, but 0:25:11.320 --> 0:25:14.240 not the actual anti inflammatories that aren't addicted. They want 0:25:14.240 --> 0:25:15.919 to find us and suspend us. And some people who 0:25:16.040 --> 0:25:18.280 lose their career, you know, over something that that can 0:25:18.320 --> 0:25:21.960 help us now that something that's legal now as well. Yeah, 0:25:22.000 --> 0:25:25.159 because if you think about the downside of any painkiller, 0:25:25.920 --> 0:25:30.480 it's it's masking one thing and causing problems in another area, 0:25:30.680 --> 0:25:32.520 you know what I mean. So it's just that temporary 0:25:33.200 --> 0:25:35.639 get you back out their relief that they need to 0:25:35.640 --> 0:25:38.760 make money. When you look at like, because we always 0:25:38.800 --> 0:25:41.240 hear that the I mean, you obviously played not too 0:25:41.240 --> 0:25:44.240 long ago, five years ago, right, what twenty seventeen was 0:25:44.280 --> 0:25:45.440 your last year? Was that the year you want to 0:25:45.480 --> 0:25:50.400 ring with the Warriors? Right? Yeah? And we hear about you. 0:25:50.400 --> 0:25:53.600 You kind of played through a whole era then then 0:25:53.680 --> 0:25:56.480 kind of you know, I feel like twenty thirteen fourteen 0:25:56.560 --> 0:25:58.639 is when the NBA really started to go heavily towards 0:25:58.720 --> 0:26:05.800 the three. But who's somebody who gives you, like when 0:26:05.880 --> 0:26:08.800 you came into the league energy, Like just someone who's tough, 0:26:09.280 --> 0:26:14.120 someone who's playing right now, Who's I just like guys 0:26:14.119 --> 0:26:16.200 to play hard because I think obviously the game has 0:26:16.280 --> 0:26:19.760 changed so much that like the game is continuing to grow, 0:26:19.800 --> 0:26:21.960 and it's because it's it's more offensive, you know what 0:26:22.000 --> 0:26:24.360 I mean, Like you know, seventy eight to eighty two, 0:26:24.480 --> 0:26:26.760 I mean the Thunder put up one fifty last night 0:26:26.800 --> 0:26:30.160 against the Celtics. I mean, these low defensive, grinding games 0:26:30.160 --> 0:26:31.880 they used to get don't sell. You know, people when 0:26:31.880 --> 0:26:34.119 they want they turn on TV or they watch it 0:26:34.240 --> 0:26:35.920 on their phone. They want to see dunks, they want 0:26:35.920 --> 0:26:38.040 to see threes from having on. Can you imagine that 0:26:38.160 --> 0:26:40.240 the Spurs and Pistons were in the finals in twenty 0:26:40.240 --> 0:26:44.240 twenty one, people would kill themselves. It wouldn't work. So 0:26:44.680 --> 0:26:46.640 I say all that to say, there's like, it's kind 0:26:46.640 --> 0:26:48.919 of like the guys that played like me are kind 0:26:48.960 --> 0:26:50.879 of like the last of a dying breeze, you know 0:26:50.880 --> 0:26:54.800 what I mean, the three and D someone in forcers, tough, 0:26:55.480 --> 0:26:59.080 you know, glue guys. You know, guys like Pat Bev, 0:26:59.160 --> 0:27:03.680 guys like PJ tuckerj Yeah, I mean we talked about 0:27:03.720 --> 0:27:06.199 Jay Crowder. Jay Crowder, you know, Jay crowds in a 0:27:06.240 --> 0:27:09.800 similar role like great guy, like great locker room guy, 0:27:09.880 --> 0:27:14.119 great guy O g Vett. So the game kind of 0:27:14.160 --> 0:27:16.600 has has changed. So I mean, but to me, I'm 0:27:16.640 --> 0:27:18.520 not one of those guys like, oh man, they don't 0:27:18.520 --> 0:27:21.000 play defense or not, like I appreciate what it is, 0:27:21.040 --> 0:27:22.679 you know what I mean, Like these fucking kids are 0:27:22.680 --> 0:27:27.440 so talented. Man, these kids are super skilled, talented, athletic 0:27:27.520 --> 0:27:29.200 as can be, and they're just you know, they're they're 0:27:29.200 --> 0:27:31.720 they're in their way, they're taking games to the new level. 0:27:31.760 --> 0:27:34.520 So I love it when I always because I'm I mean, 0:27:34.560 --> 0:27:38.399 I grew up a Jordan fan. I obviously was a 0:27:38.400 --> 0:27:41.399 Suns fan, but I put my I love Jordan more 0:27:41.440 --> 0:27:44.280 than I love the Sons as a kid, but I 0:27:44.359 --> 0:27:47.600 am kind of on the Lebron side of the goat convo. 0:27:48.040 --> 0:27:51.119 I'm not mad at that, and that's just because I 0:27:51.160 --> 0:27:54.760 look at who he played in the finals. I feel 0:27:54.760 --> 0:27:57.840 like he went up against the Warriors all those years, 0:27:57.920 --> 0:28:02.760 he went up against the dynasty of Spurs through Detroit. 0:28:02.880 --> 0:28:04.720 He had to go through Detroit, who just want to 0:28:04.800 --> 0:28:07.720 ring to get to the finals. Boston, he had to 0:28:07.720 --> 0:28:09.880 go through Boston. I think I think we also got 0:28:09.880 --> 0:28:13.360 to think about, like, you know, who he was, who 0:28:13.400 --> 0:28:15.680 he had on that Cavaliers team in O five when 0:28:15.720 --> 0:28:18.000 when they went to the was it O seven? Also? 0:28:18.080 --> 0:28:19.320 Was it all seven or O five when they went 0:28:19.320 --> 0:28:23.240 to the finals it was against the Spurs. But you know, 0:28:23.280 --> 0:28:26.879 I think that like he went went through the thunder 0:28:26.920 --> 0:28:29.359 with Katie Russ and James Harden, I'm not man. I 0:28:29.840 --> 0:28:32.679 to me. I just think that the league's talent pool 0:28:33.320 --> 0:28:36.359 is so much more higher than it was when Jordan 0:28:36.440 --> 0:28:38.320 and and of course Jordan had to go through the 0:28:38.320 --> 0:28:40.520 Pistons and and and you know there was Larry Bird 0:28:40.520 --> 0:28:42.280 and Magic Johnson and those guys. But I just think 0:28:42.320 --> 0:28:44.880 the talent pool, like if I I love watching every 0:28:44.880 --> 0:28:46.959 team right now, I have lead pass, there's not a 0:28:46.960 --> 0:28:49.200 team that I'm not interested in because they got a 0:28:49.200 --> 0:28:51.040 couple of guys that can go. Yeah, I'm like, oh 0:28:51.080 --> 0:28:53.200 the Pistons around, well, Kate Cunningham's out, but I'm like, oh, 0:28:53.240 --> 0:28:56.840 I want to see Ivy, I want to see uh Bay. 0:28:57.000 --> 0:29:00.440 Like there's like no, I definitely get it. And when 0:29:00.480 --> 0:29:03.320 when I was a kid, like the Clippers like sucked, 0:29:04.080 --> 0:29:06.160 like they really sucked. But even the teams that aren't 0:29:06.200 --> 0:29:08.840 good are still fun to watch and have good foot. 0:29:09.000 --> 0:29:11.200 Right now, it's crazy, it's crazy. I mean yeah, So 0:29:12.240 --> 0:29:13.920 what was the question that I was going to say, Like, 0:29:14.400 --> 0:29:16.880 do you feel like the talent because you you played 0:29:16.880 --> 0:29:19.560 through so many, like fifteen years, do you feel like 0:29:19.600 --> 0:29:23.160 the talent pool nowadays is just off the charts deeper 0:29:23.200 --> 0:29:25.920 than it's ever been or is that just recency bias 0:29:25.960 --> 0:29:30.640 because we're watching basketball. I think the I think the 0:29:30.760 --> 0:29:33.840 skill level might be as high as we've ever seen it. 0:29:34.760 --> 0:29:39.000 Uh talent. You know, you think back to the you know, 0:29:39.320 --> 0:29:41.800 late eighties and early nineties and then I don't even 0:29:41.800 --> 0:29:43.880 want to disrespect no Air because every year I had talent. 0:29:43.920 --> 0:29:46.640 But yeah, I'm thinking, like you know, young Mike in 0:29:46.720 --> 0:29:48.480 that in that era, there was there was a lot 0:29:48.480 --> 0:29:51.040 of motherfuckers in that era. But I think often, you know, 0:29:51.080 --> 0:29:54.280 we just we're kind of prisoners of of now and 0:29:54.920 --> 0:29:56.239 what we've seen of like you know what I mean. 0:29:56.280 --> 0:29:59.680 So obviously there's a lot of talent on on both sides, 0:29:59.720 --> 0:30:03.520 but I feel like the skill level, the athleticism, all 0:30:03.560 --> 0:30:06.840 this shit is just it's it's it's continues to grow. 0:30:07.320 --> 0:30:09.800 I think like back in the day, like the Cavaliers 0:30:09.800 --> 0:30:11.400 were like a big deal for the Bulls to go 0:30:11.480 --> 0:30:15.600 against with Craig Elo and Brad Daughtry or whatever the 0:30:15.600 --> 0:30:16.840 fuck his name was. I used to play with them 0:30:16.840 --> 0:30:20.720 one NBA jam when I was But I'm like, none 0:30:20.760 --> 0:30:22.960 of the like, none of like nobody's gonna be Like 0:30:23.240 --> 0:30:25.720 both of those guys are all time greats. Nobody's saying. 0:30:25.760 --> 0:30:28.200 I mean, they were good at the time, but I 0:30:28.240 --> 0:30:31.320 think now and I'm just like, yo, Like if you 0:30:31.400 --> 0:30:34.040 look at all three of the All NBA teams every year, 0:30:34.240 --> 0:30:37.719 it's like fuck, like the fact like Katie can get 0:30:37.800 --> 0:30:41.480 left off because he was injured. It's just like the 0:30:41.520 --> 0:30:44.720 fact Damian Lillard is like not in the top ten 0:30:44.800 --> 0:30:47.280 right now. I think the game is just continued to evolve. Yeah, 0:30:48.480 --> 0:30:50.720 because DA looks like an all time great point guard, 0:30:50.920 --> 0:30:54.480 no question, no question. But back to my original point, like, 0:30:54.520 --> 0:30:57.920 I don't any like to me, it's it's it's MJ. 0:30:58.560 --> 0:31:01.479 And there's no odor. But in the these three, I 0:31:01.520 --> 0:31:04.440 can live with arguments for either of them, MJ, Cobe 0:31:04.520 --> 0:31:06.840 and Mike as far as to me, those are the 0:31:07.040 --> 0:31:10.280 you said, MJ Cob and Mike Cob and Lebron excuse me, 0:31:10.520 --> 0:31:13.880 MJ Cob and Lebron. Like to me, I can see 0:31:13.960 --> 0:31:16.600 Jordan being one. I can see some people have Cob 0:31:16.720 --> 0:31:18.880 number one, some people have Lebron number one. You know, 0:31:18.960 --> 0:31:23.080 I could see to me, those three guys are with 0:31:23.120 --> 0:31:25.960 all due respect everyone else at the top of the pyramid. 0:31:27.200 --> 0:31:30.239 You know, you hear guys like you know and you 0:31:30.280 --> 0:31:34.000 never want to disrespect legends or people that come before you. 0:31:34.040 --> 0:31:36.960 But I just feel like some of those older older players, 0:31:37.000 --> 0:31:38.720 like when you talk about the top seventy five lists, 0:31:38.840 --> 0:31:42.240 those older players that were like foundational for the league 0:31:42.240 --> 0:31:45.480 and and and yeah, like almost like the meaning to 0:31:45.520 --> 0:31:48.680 the league outweighs their actual talent. Yeah. I mean, to me, like, 0:31:48.720 --> 0:31:50.440 there's no way you can leave a Dwight Howard or 0:31:50.560 --> 0:31:54.080 Vince Carter or Tracy mcgree the Dwight. The Dwight thing's crazy. Yeah, 0:31:54.080 --> 0:31:55.920 sure he was the most he was the best center 0:31:55.960 --> 0:31:57.720 for ten years. Yeah. So it's just like there's so 0:31:57.880 --> 0:32:00.440 much stuff that you know to me because like you said, 0:32:00.440 --> 0:32:02.480 the town level was so much on a night to 0:32:02.560 --> 0:32:05.800 night basis better than it was, you know back in 0:32:05.840 --> 0:32:08.520 the fifties, sixties, you know, coming into the seventies, it 0:32:08.560 --> 0:32:10.720 was just like a lot of these current guys that 0:32:10.760 --> 0:32:12.240 got left off. You look at it, it's just like, no, 0:32:12.480 --> 0:32:15.320 those guys really weren't better than these guys are left 0:32:15.320 --> 0:32:18.640 off with even close. Yo, you had a full circle 0:32:18.720 --> 0:32:22.000 moment winning a ring and ending your career with the Warriors, 0:32:22.600 --> 0:32:25.640 obviously being a part of the We Believe run. Was 0:32:26.640 --> 0:32:30.560 I mean that shit? I know, you guys didn't get 0:32:30.600 --> 0:32:32.040 out of the second round, but getting out of that 0:32:32.080 --> 0:32:35.320 first round against Dirk and the Mavericks was so crazy 0:32:36.480 --> 0:32:38.200 and that team was just so much fun to watch. 0:32:38.240 --> 0:32:41.320 But can you take me to that championship run. I know, 0:32:41.480 --> 0:32:43.440 you know at that point you were a veteran on 0:32:43.480 --> 0:32:50.080 the team. But how high was the animosity between the 0:32:50.080 --> 0:32:52.880 Warriors and the Cavaliers Because I had Emon on and 0:32:52.920 --> 0:32:54.840 he said it was He's like that shit was up 0:32:54.880 --> 0:32:57.320 for real. He's like the group chats were active, we were. 0:32:57.680 --> 0:33:00.640 It just felt like it was because you know, they 0:33:00.960 --> 0:33:03.520 had gone to battle several times, you know, four, you 0:33:03.520 --> 0:33:06.040 know what I mean. And then you know Cleveland got one. 0:33:06.080 --> 0:33:08.000 I think at the twenty the Lawyers had had two 0:33:10.600 --> 0:33:14.040 for the two or three maybe two was the third 0:33:14.080 --> 0:33:18.000 and one one more. So it was intense, you know, 0:33:18.040 --> 0:33:21.560 for me personally, you know, it was crazy because so 0:33:21.600 --> 0:33:25.880 I leave, I sign a you know, three year deal 0:33:25.880 --> 0:33:29.000 with Sacramento thinking that all right, you know, just finish. 0:33:29.160 --> 0:33:31.760 I'm gonna go finishing, finish up at home. We got 0:33:31.760 --> 0:33:34.520 a new arena, maybe make the playoffs and you know, 0:33:35.120 --> 0:33:37.040 you know, get ready for my transition. So I wasn't 0:33:37.080 --> 0:33:40.640 triven with that, and so then the King's trade DeMarcus 0:33:40.680 --> 0:33:43.360 Cousins at the at during the All Star break, like 0:33:43.400 --> 0:33:46.440 while he's down the podium the Pelicans. Yeah, he gets told, 0:33:46.480 --> 0:33:48.840 he gets traded. So you know, we're to the point 0:33:48.840 --> 0:33:51.520 where they're trying to go younger. You know, I'm talking 0:33:51.520 --> 0:33:54.040 to management like I'm too old to try to rebuild, like, 0:33:54.880 --> 0:33:56.560 you know, help me out. Yeah, let me get up 0:33:56.560 --> 0:33:57.680 out of here, you know what I mean. And they 0:33:57.680 --> 0:34:00.680 were on the same vibe, so yeah, release from there, 0:34:00.680 --> 0:34:02.560 but they still had to pay me, uh, you know, 0:34:02.680 --> 0:34:06.120 the rest of my contract because guaranteed. And then really 0:34:06.160 --> 0:34:09.360 literally simultaneously when that happened, kd gets hurt for Golden 0:34:09.400 --> 0:34:12.640 State when they're in DC, hyper extends his knee. So 0:34:13.719 --> 0:34:15.279 you know, I get a call from their team to 0:34:15.760 --> 0:34:18.440 you know, Kti's down. You know, we're gonna need you 0:34:18.480 --> 0:34:20.920 to come out. I was like, shit, easy call, you 0:34:20.960 --> 0:34:23.120 know what I mean. Not too far from home, nah, 0:34:23.320 --> 0:34:26.360 you know, So I went out there. You know the 0:34:26.440 --> 0:34:29.240 first night, you know, I played like twenty twenty five minutes. 0:34:29.239 --> 0:34:30.960 So it was dope because it was just like I've 0:34:31.000 --> 0:34:33.000 never played on a team that had so many starts. 0:34:33.040 --> 0:34:34.879 But it was just selfless, Like going to work every 0:34:34.920 --> 0:34:36.959 day was dope. The energy in the weight room after 0:34:37.239 --> 0:34:40.000 everything was just damn, I see why you motherfuckers be 0:34:40.000 --> 0:34:42.040 winning all this shit, Like it's fun to be here, 0:34:42.160 --> 0:34:45.320 you know, like Ego lists basketball dope, so it's crazy. 0:34:45.360 --> 0:34:47.440 No I go out there playing. I'm playing anywhere, you know, 0:34:48.040 --> 0:34:51.000 twenty twenty two to twenty four minutes a game. In 0:34:51.080 --> 0:34:53.120 the very first game KD comes back is about a 0:34:53.160 --> 0:34:55.319 week before the playoffs, or maybe week to ten days 0:34:55.360 --> 0:34:58.239 before the playoffs, and the game he comes back, I 0:34:58.320 --> 0:35:00.880 sprained my ankle and nearly break the worst sprain of 0:35:00.880 --> 0:35:04.399 my fucking career, and I was out. I kept trying 0:35:04.400 --> 0:35:06.359 to come back, and it just I wasn't ready, And 0:35:06.400 --> 0:35:08.640 by the time I felt halfway decent, I'm just like, damn, 0:35:08.680 --> 0:35:10.520 I want to try because it's you know, we're heading 0:35:10.560 --> 0:35:12.440 to the finals, like it was a Western Conference finals, 0:35:12.480 --> 0:35:14.960 like we're already eight and oh so as a vet, 0:35:15.000 --> 0:35:17.719 I knew I wasn't. You know, you don't a role 0:35:17.719 --> 0:35:19.520 player is not going to really able to jump in, 0:35:19.800 --> 0:35:21.359 and you know, if you're a start coming back into 0:35:21.400 --> 0:35:23.040 different story. So I just kind of had to, you know, 0:35:24.040 --> 0:35:26.160 stay in shape, just in case it needed me stay ready, 0:35:26.160 --> 0:35:28.400 and then you know, talk to guys when I saw stuff, 0:35:28.400 --> 0:35:29.880 you know what I mean, even though you know I 0:35:29.960 --> 0:35:31.759 was new there, those guys like again that you know, 0:35:31.800 --> 0:35:33.879 they respected, you know, my body of work and how 0:35:33.880 --> 0:35:35.880 hard I played. So I wasn't someone who was overstepping 0:35:35.920 --> 0:35:38.040 my bounds. But there'd be times where at any time, 0:35:38.120 --> 0:35:40.040 you know, that's the thing. Cool thing about it, where 0:35:40.280 --> 0:35:42.640 I having that conversation with Draymond, had you know, long 0:35:42.640 --> 0:35:45.520 conversations with Clay, you know, me and Kadi used to 0:35:45.520 --> 0:35:47.960 get down after games, you know, burn a few and 0:35:48.040 --> 0:35:49.759 just talk about the game, you know what I mean. 0:35:49.840 --> 0:35:54.520 So it was just like that kind of og positivity 0:35:54.600 --> 0:35:58.600 and ways to look at things. And and that team 0:35:58.680 --> 0:36:01.040 ended up winning championship, you know what I mean. But yeah, 0:36:01.040 --> 0:36:04.160 they man handled the Cavaliers that year, that's for sure. Yeah. No, 0:36:04.239 --> 0:36:07.040 that that was even though those teams were chicos. You 0:36:07.080 --> 0:36:10.080 I mean, once Katie got healthy and Steph and play 0:36:10.120 --> 0:36:12.920 and Pray and Iggy and I just don't like, like, 0:36:13.000 --> 0:36:15.080 if Katie would have just stayed on the Warriors, who 0:36:15.120 --> 0:36:17.239 knows how many more rings, I mean, it would have 0:36:17.239 --> 0:36:19.640 been ugly. I was so I was actually very happy 0:36:19.680 --> 0:36:21.640 that he left because I felt like the balance of 0:36:21.719 --> 0:36:24.719 power readjusted in the league. For a couple of years, 0:36:24.719 --> 0:36:27.200 it was more about duos and not trios anymore. So 0:36:27.280 --> 0:36:29.040 it was like, I like the way it is now. 0:36:29.280 --> 0:36:33.440 There's parody in the Western Conference specifically, there's so much. Ye, 0:36:33.560 --> 0:36:35.600 there's just so much. 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Let's get back to the interview. 0:39:16.160 --> 0:39:19.120 Let me ask you this I've seen because this year 0:39:21.120 --> 0:39:23.759 it seems like there's like a rule right where you 0:39:23.840 --> 0:39:27.879 really can't go back to back to back MVP. It's 0:39:28.040 --> 0:39:30.239 barely ever happened. I don't I can't remember when it's 0:39:30.239 --> 0:39:34.719 happened unless Larry Bird got three, and I think there 0:39:34.800 --> 0:39:36.239 was a there was an argument to be made that 0:39:36.280 --> 0:39:38.160 Harden could have got it again. There's an argument if 0:39:38.160 --> 0:39:39.959 Giannis could have got it last year, the year before 0:39:40.040 --> 0:39:44.680 or whatever. A lot of people are saying, Jokic motherfucker man, 0:39:44.960 --> 0:39:48.160 yeah man, and he's built like me, so like right now, 0:39:48.200 --> 0:39:50.440 we have these two white dudes that are kind of 0:39:50.560 --> 0:39:55.160 just like kind of like normally built, like flabby white 0:39:55.239 --> 0:39:59.400 dudes who are like, it's just kind of crazy, Like, yeah, 0:39:59.640 --> 0:40:01.919 I don't even you know. I saw Bill Simmons talking 0:40:01.920 --> 0:40:05.960 about Jokic and he said that he's the funnest player 0:40:06.000 --> 0:40:07.800 since Larry Bird some shit, he said. Some shit. A 0:40:07.840 --> 0:40:10.319 lot of people are pissed off about. But like you 0:40:10.400 --> 0:40:12.319 do this for a living, you analyze the game, like 0:40:12.400 --> 0:40:16.919 how special is Jokic and how special is the Now. 0:40:16.960 --> 0:40:18.880 I know how special Luca is because we should have 0:40:18.920 --> 0:40:21.120 drafted him over DeAndre Ayden and I came sick to 0:40:21.160 --> 0:40:25.080 my stomach every time, But like, how special are these 0:40:25.080 --> 0:40:29.120 two uh, white Caucasian unicorns in the league? Right now. 0:40:29.120 --> 0:40:33.120 It's fucking crazy. They're incredible each. I mean obviously Jokic first, 0:40:33.280 --> 0:40:35.759 you know his ability to do it all from his size, 0:40:36.280 --> 0:40:39.680 you know, his length, his basketball a Q. I mean, 0:40:39.719 --> 0:40:43.279 there's no holes. There's no holes in his game. I 0:40:43.280 --> 0:40:46.000 mean he's okay defensively, yeah, I mean yeah, in a 0:40:46.080 --> 0:40:48.400 league where defense doesn't really matter. There's no holds what 0:40:48.440 --> 0:40:51.719 I mean. So to me, there's no real holes in 0:40:51.760 --> 0:40:55.839 his offensive game. And then Luca. I think Luca's gonna 0:40:55.840 --> 0:40:57.680 go down as an all time great me too, man, 0:40:57.719 --> 0:41:00.400 I mean, he's only twenty three years old. The numbers, 0:41:00.440 --> 0:41:02.960 the video game numbers in year four, I'm like, if 0:41:03.000 --> 0:41:06.240 you go year four like one through four, maybe Wilts 0:41:06.400 --> 0:41:08.400 can hang with him. They showed a comparison of him 0:41:08.440 --> 0:41:10.880 and Lebron after like a certain amount of games, maybe 0:41:10.960 --> 0:41:14.000 a month ago, at a certain amount of games. We 0:41:14.040 --> 0:41:15.759 want to say, how many games, I don't remember, but 0:41:16.200 --> 0:41:18.440 Luca was like two points better to a couple of 0:41:18.480 --> 0:41:21.040 rebounds better. And it'sist better than Labron, you know, through 0:41:21.040 --> 0:41:24.440 that same span. So uh, and it's scary because Luca's 0:41:24.440 --> 0:41:26.200 only twenty three, you know what I mean. We literally 0:41:26.200 --> 0:41:28.400 just talked about this shit. On ESPN today, Like guys 0:41:28.400 --> 0:41:31.640 don't really kind of hit their peak into twenty eight, 0:41:33.280 --> 0:41:37.600 nine thirty. You know, Lucas motherfucking he ain't even get 0:41:37.600 --> 0:41:39.359 it shape yet. That's what's crazy. It's like a batch 0:41:39.360 --> 0:41:41.759 it if he wants to get He's in better shift 0:41:41.800 --> 0:41:43.640 he was last year. Yeah, he's in better shape than 0:41:43.680 --> 0:41:45.480 he was, so, I mean he's learning the game. But 0:41:45.520 --> 0:41:50.640 it's I don't think we've ever seen someone so offensively 0:41:52.239 --> 0:41:57.240 what's the word brilliant? I mean, from the amazing passes 0:41:57.280 --> 0:42:00.000 he makes to how he can score from every single 0:42:00.000 --> 0:42:03.040 he's a dog too. He's big. Yeah, he's bigger than 0:42:03.120 --> 0:42:05.520 he's bigger than me. He got that fucking attitude. Yeah, 0:42:05.800 --> 0:42:08.439 because he's seen it. I mean he's at thirteen, Luca 0:42:08.600 --> 0:42:11.120 was playing basketball. What motherfuckers was drinking beers and smoking 0:42:11.160 --> 0:42:13.120 cigarettes at halftime, you know what I mean? Like Luca 0:42:13.200 --> 0:42:15.480 Benner pro since he was in seventh like for like 0:42:15.520 --> 0:42:18.160 my kids in eighth grade, like losing Benner prosins he 0:42:18.239 --> 0:42:20.279 was in seventy you know, technically seven. You know, I 0:42:20.320 --> 0:42:21.680 just saw I just saw a picture of him and 0:42:21.719 --> 0:42:24.320 Russell Westbrook from like twenty seventeen when he was like 0:42:24.360 --> 0:42:27.839 a kid. Yeah, yeah, he's been thrown in the fire. 0:42:27.880 --> 0:42:30.640 So he was built for I mean he was built 0:42:30.680 --> 0:42:35.160 for this. Talk about growing up in Sacramento. Sacramento, I 0:42:35.200 --> 0:42:38.080 feel like finally has had like a lot of dope, 0:42:38.520 --> 0:42:42.680 big uh recognition in the hip hop world with my 0:42:42.760 --> 0:42:48.880 guy Mazzi Free Mazzie. But then you know, growing up 0:42:48.920 --> 0:42:53.080 there was like brother Lynch Hung and Cibo and and 0:42:54.000 --> 0:42:55.480 I used to listen to a lot of even though 0:42:55.480 --> 0:42:59.080 they're not from master P in high school. Yeah, Sacramento 0:42:59.200 --> 0:43:02.000 is like one of those that is like super active, 0:43:02.239 --> 0:43:05.080 like surprise you. It's a very active place because when 0:43:05.080 --> 0:43:07.120 you fly in, all you see is like fields. So 0:43:07.160 --> 0:43:09.680 people like this motherfucking caws and then you know that 0:43:09.719 --> 0:43:11.719 the fans go crazy with their low cowbo. So there's 0:43:11.760 --> 0:43:14.759 a real misconception that Sack Sacks got a lot of 0:43:14.800 --> 0:43:17.400 smoke out there. It definitely does a lot of smiling, 0:43:17.440 --> 0:43:20.319 and it's not anything to brag about, like it's really dangerous. Yeah, 0:43:20.320 --> 0:43:24.720 between like Stockton and Sacramento, it's a there's bodies, bodies 0:43:24.719 --> 0:43:27.040 are dropping, Yeah dude, I mean so it's just like 0:43:27.120 --> 0:43:31.960 it's it's you know, Sacramento is different. You know, Luckily 0:43:32.000 --> 0:43:34.760 coming from you know, the Bay area. Uh, my parents 0:43:34.760 --> 0:43:37.600 were able to put some you know money together to 0:43:37.640 --> 0:43:39.600 not necessarily get us, to get us in a in 0:43:39.640 --> 0:43:42.440 a better area, right, you know, like my cousins and 0:43:42.960 --> 0:43:45.520 my aunt was killed in a parkat slash left and 0:43:45.520 --> 0:43:47.960 the gutter, like my cousins that living Sack were in 0:43:48.040 --> 0:43:51.919 like in the heart of aunt. Yeah, my little sister, 0:43:53.680 --> 0:43:56.440 you know what I mean. So I would always so 0:43:56.560 --> 0:43:58.319 my parents, you know, were able to do better by 0:43:58.360 --> 0:44:00.680 the time we were able to move up to Sack. 0:44:00.760 --> 0:44:03.440 So they would always put me in predominantly white schools. 0:44:03.440 --> 0:44:05.800 And I never understood why. I never understood. Used to 0:44:05.800 --> 0:44:07.640 hate it because all my neighborhood friends were mixed, like 0:44:07.920 --> 0:44:11.520 Mexican blacks, some Asians, some white kids. But I never 0:44:11.520 --> 0:44:12.840 got to go to school with those kids, so I 0:44:12.880 --> 0:44:15.799 always had to go to different schools. But you know, 0:44:15.880 --> 0:44:18.759 now getting older and finished, you know, looking back, I mean, 0:44:18.800 --> 0:44:21.600 it's just it made me the chameleon I am because 0:44:21.640 --> 0:44:23.960 I could. You mean, I was going to Oak Park 0:44:23.960 --> 0:44:25.320 and all those things. You know, I grew up in 0:44:25.320 --> 0:44:28.440 the Oak Park YMCA, you know center, and you know, 0:44:28.640 --> 0:44:30.520 so I could be there and then I could be 0:44:30.640 --> 0:44:33.560 and you know the nicest part of Sacramento with you know, 0:44:33.560 --> 0:44:35.920 a bunch of white kids, you know what I mean. 0:44:35.960 --> 0:44:39.400 So I saw so much diversity, you know, at a 0:44:39.440 --> 0:44:41.600 younger age that it just you know, allowed me to 0:44:41.760 --> 0:44:44.960 kind of be able to move and slide in different rooms. 0:44:45.160 --> 0:44:46.680 Now I feel like you do. I feel like you 0:44:46.680 --> 0:44:48.080 do a great job of that. Now. I feel like, 0:44:48.160 --> 0:44:53.000 just like the vast, like diverse cast of people you 0:44:53.000 --> 0:44:55.279 guys interview on your podcast, it's like, yeah, I know, 0:44:55.320 --> 0:44:57.560 it's been growing, man, it's been fun, you know what 0:44:57.680 --> 0:45:00.680 I mean. I remember when you guys did the Kobe interviewed. 0:45:00.719 --> 0:45:02.400 That was one of your first was it like one 0:45:02.440 --> 0:45:03.960 of the first five or six? It felt like it 0:45:04.000 --> 0:45:06.759 was early number ten. Yeah, it was one of the 0:45:06.800 --> 0:45:10.120 earlier ones. You obviously played with Kobe. What years were 0:45:10.160 --> 0:45:13.600 you with Kobe? I was with Cobe I think the eleven, 0:45:15.640 --> 0:45:18.680 thirteen or fourteen, so that was obviously kind of some 0:45:18.800 --> 0:45:22.000 rough Laker years. No, well, no, so I came right 0:45:22.040 --> 0:45:23.879 after they won to I came when they were going 0:45:23.880 --> 0:45:26.360 for a three p so Phil's last year. So you 0:45:26.360 --> 0:45:28.080 were there when okay, okay, so you were there kind 0:45:28.080 --> 0:45:30.560 of like the end of like the peak. Yeah, the 0:45:30.640 --> 0:45:34.840 run was over unfortunately. So you played with Lamar on 0:45:34.880 --> 0:45:39.560 that team. Yeah, Lamar, Lamar pale buying him. Uh what's 0:45:39.600 --> 0:45:41.799 the locker room like with Matt Barnes and Lamar owed 0:45:41.840 --> 0:45:44.160 him at the same time, Funny and Test was in 0:45:44.200 --> 0:45:46.680 that mother and run our tests. So like people don't 0:45:46.719 --> 0:45:49.960 know Koke talk big ship, Like I was like right 0:45:50.000 --> 0:45:51.440 when I went to team, because I'm someone that just 0:45:51.480 --> 0:45:54.000 keeps everybody loose. I talked Matt Barnes, run our tests, 0:45:54.080 --> 0:45:57.520 Kobe Bryant, and Lamar owed him in the same locker round. Shit, amazing. 0:45:58.080 --> 0:46:01.200 It was fun, you know what I mean. And you 0:46:01.239 --> 0:46:03.760 know he used to poke fun to everybody like nobody 0:46:03.840 --> 0:46:06.560 was safe, you know, and everybody get fun poked at them, 0:46:06.640 --> 0:46:08.879 you know what I mean. So it was those Laker 0:46:08.960 --> 0:46:11.520 days were fun, man, really fun. Yeah, what was because 0:46:11.600 --> 0:46:15.040 I mean, Kobe is not going on anyone's podcast A 0:46:15.080 --> 0:46:16.960 lot of people have podcasts. Kobe didn't do a lot 0:46:17.000 --> 0:46:19.200 of interviews, so you guys obviously had a friendship that 0:46:19.280 --> 0:46:21.840 stuck with him and resonated with him. That was a 0:46:21.960 --> 0:46:25.000 very tough loss for the world man's particularly La you 0:46:25.000 --> 0:46:27.560 know obviously you know the world lost, but for La 0:46:27.680 --> 0:46:30.920 for sure. But yea, La lost a superhero, you know 0:46:30.960 --> 0:46:34.640 what I mean? Like LA got to watch Kobe grow, 0:46:34.880 --> 0:46:36.799 you know, as a as a seventeen year old boy. 0:46:36.800 --> 0:46:39.680 Come to La. What was the one thing that you 0:46:39.800 --> 0:46:44.680 feel like people don't necessarily know about Kobe that you 0:46:44.680 --> 0:46:46.839 know being around him as much as you were as 0:46:46.880 --> 0:46:50.560 fun like He's not like it was funny because he 0:46:50.600 --> 0:46:52.239 used to be on the bus and talking shit back 0:46:52.280 --> 0:46:55.239 and forth, and he'd be talking shit, talking crazy and 0:46:55.600 --> 0:46:58.080 everyone be busting up. And I remember one time taking 0:46:58.160 --> 0:46:59.320 on the bus like, yea, why don't you show the 0:46:59.360 --> 0:47:02.680 rest of the world this this side of cod Yeah, 0:47:03.120 --> 0:47:05.759 looked up and he's like, I can't show these motherfuckers this, 0:47:06.080 --> 0:47:07.680 you know what I mean? So COPD the one thing 0:47:07.840 --> 0:47:11.279 like cop was cool, like talk big ship. Was there 0:47:11.280 --> 0:47:13.759 anybody who was too sensitive for his ship talking on 0:47:13.800 --> 0:47:16.879 the team. He used to go at Pal pretty hard. 0:47:17.160 --> 0:47:19.120 And it wasn't the power was sensitive, but he would 0:47:19.200 --> 0:47:21.719 just that was just why I think with his way 0:47:21.760 --> 0:47:24.560 of pushing Palace buttons. But he used to go at Pal. 0:47:24.680 --> 0:47:28.279 I'd be like, damn, Cope, come on, Pal, let's go 0:47:28.480 --> 0:47:30.160 and go handle it, you know what I mean. So, 0:47:30.239 --> 0:47:32.160 but but Cobe was one of those dudes. It was 0:47:32.200 --> 0:47:34.759 just he He would run through a wall. So he 0:47:34.840 --> 0:47:37.160 wants you to play as absolutely as hard as you can, 0:47:37.320 --> 0:47:39.359 have no fear in your heart, and go to war 0:47:39.400 --> 0:47:41.040 with him. Yeah, I feel like Cope's the kind of 0:47:41.040 --> 0:47:44.400 guy that's like, not gonna ask anybody of anything that 0:47:44.440 --> 0:47:46.720 he wouldn't do himself. And I think most great leaders 0:47:46.760 --> 0:47:48.200 are like that. It's like, yeah, I ain't gonna ask 0:47:48.239 --> 0:47:49.919 you to do nothing I'm not gonna do. When he talks, 0:47:50.000 --> 0:47:52.080 you listen. He doesn't talk much. Used to he used 0:47:52.120 --> 0:47:55.200 to hiss when he wanted the ball. When he started hissing, 0:47:55.239 --> 0:47:57.279 you better give him the ball or or make it 0:47:57.600 --> 0:47:59.200 or he's gonna you know, I mean, stare a fucking 0:47:59.200 --> 0:48:02.640 hole through your body. But dude, just work hard, man. 0:48:02.680 --> 0:48:05.080 His work ethic to me was second to none. You 0:48:05.600 --> 0:48:08.919 were a part of another iconic team in La Lop 0:48:08.960 --> 0:48:12.480 City years of the Clippers was special. I remember when 0:48:12.520 --> 0:48:16.920 Tiger Redd Rock City. Yeah, that was we took La 0:48:17.000 --> 0:48:19.000 by story. It was dope because obviously, you know, I'd 0:48:19.000 --> 0:48:21.120 come literally come right from the Lakers, you know what 0:48:21.160 --> 0:48:23.480 I mean, so to see and you were you were 0:48:23.480 --> 0:48:26.160 a starter on that team for most of that run. 0:48:26.239 --> 0:48:29.239 I mean you were very important. I tell people like, 0:48:29.239 --> 0:48:31.120 I won the championship with Golden State and played with 0:48:31.400 --> 0:48:33.319 rock Stars over there, but there's nothing in the world 0:48:33.400 --> 0:48:35.120 like being the Laker. So when I went down the 0:48:35.120 --> 0:48:37.920 hallway to become a Clipper, it was just, you know, 0:48:38.120 --> 0:48:41.440 a team that historically had been just terrible got awful, 0:48:41.480 --> 0:48:44.000 even though it's in the same building, same city. Terrible. 0:48:44.040 --> 0:48:47.000 And they had had you know, rays of hope every 0:48:47.040 --> 0:48:48.640 once in a while with d Miles and Q. And 0:48:48.680 --> 0:48:51.880 then when they first came in out brand you know 0:48:51.960 --> 0:48:56.200 the Sam Pacel Patino run they had, but Tim Thomas. Yeah, 0:48:56.280 --> 0:49:01.760 that Lop City team just captured know the NBA by storm. 0:49:01.920 --> 0:49:04.640 You know, we won our first the Clippers first ever 0:49:04.719 --> 0:49:08.279 pred Division title. We were beating the breaks off the 0:49:08.520 --> 0:49:10.800 by like record numbers, Like we were beating the Lakers 0:49:10.800 --> 0:49:13.560 by plus thirty. Oh no, it was crazy. It was crazy, 0:49:13.560 --> 0:49:15.640 and you guys were stacked. I mean we were d 0:49:15.760 --> 0:49:24.840 Like my first year, I think our started lineup with CP, JJ, Kuran, Butler, Blake, 0:49:25.040 --> 0:49:27.920 and DJ and then off the bench they had Eric Bledsoe, 0:49:28.000 --> 0:49:35.080 Jamal Crawford, me lamar Odom, Jesus Ronnie Terry Off. No, 0:49:35.120 --> 0:49:37.959 I'm forgetting some people like I don't even remember lamar 0:49:38.000 --> 0:49:40.720 Odom being back on the Clippers. I don't even remember 0:49:40.760 --> 0:49:43.719 that Grant Hill on that team. I remember Grant. I 0:49:43.760 --> 0:49:47.440 remember Grant. I remember we were like Sports Illustrated voted 0:49:47.520 --> 0:49:49.040 us the best bench. So they did like a big 0:49:49.040 --> 0:49:51.200 old spread on our team, and I'm like, yeah, we 0:49:51.280 --> 0:49:54.399 used to give our starters work in practice, like for real. 0:49:54.440 --> 0:49:58.080 But no, that team was city was crazy. Help me 0:49:58.160 --> 0:50:00.320 understand as a Suns fan, who has to root for 0:50:00.400 --> 0:50:04.200 Chris Paul? He said, who has Christmas? No? I mean, 0:50:04.280 --> 0:50:05.680 Chris Paul is one of the greatest point guards of 0:50:05.719 --> 0:50:07.759 all time, and I was ecstatic when we got him. 0:50:07.960 --> 0:50:10.400 But that being said, the last couple of years have 0:50:10.480 --> 0:50:14.200 been like just the absolute biggest disappointment of my life, 0:50:14.440 --> 0:50:20.560 of my life, all forms of my life, personal relationship, family, 0:50:21.280 --> 0:50:23.759 the Suns. So they went to the finals, They went 0:50:23.760 --> 0:50:26.040 to the finals, were up two oh to the Bucks, 0:50:27.160 --> 0:50:29.279 gave that back real quick, and then they lost to 0:50:29.400 --> 0:50:31.960 Dallas and then then we lost. We got destroyed. We 0:50:32.000 --> 0:50:38.399 got absolutely embarrassed by the Mavericks. Shortly after, Alvarado gave 0:50:38.480 --> 0:50:41.520 us some work in that first round series against the Pelicans. 0:50:41.800 --> 0:50:45.440 But give me like the Chris Paul thing. Because I 0:50:45.480 --> 0:50:48.319 have friends that are close to the son's team and 0:50:49.160 --> 0:50:52.759 you played with them. We always hear about him and 0:50:52.800 --> 0:50:55.359 Blake didn't necessarily get along. Like what do you think 0:50:55.400 --> 0:50:59.720 it is about CP that seems to be it? He 0:50:59.760 --> 0:51:02.200 cause he goes to teams and they get good right away. 0:51:02.560 --> 0:51:05.160 I mean he took that team, the thunder team that okay, 0:51:05.200 --> 0:51:07.640 see team that was crazy. I think Chris is a 0:51:07.680 --> 0:51:10.279 throwback point guard from a standpoint, and he's not going 0:51:10.320 --> 0:51:11.719 to tell you what you want to hear. He's going 0:51:11.800 --> 0:51:13.960 to tell you what you need to hear. And I 0:51:14.000 --> 0:51:18.160 think sometimes his delivery is off, but what he's saying 0:51:18.920 --> 0:51:22.359 nine times out of ten is right. It's a delivery thing, 0:51:22.520 --> 0:51:25.200 his delivery. But again, he's one of them, like you know, 0:51:25.360 --> 0:51:27.320 not it wouldn't even be so much cussing. It would 0:51:27.320 --> 0:51:30.200 just be like he's talking. Chris is a talker, you 0:51:30.239 --> 0:51:31.680 know what I mean. So he's always going to kind 0:51:31.680 --> 0:51:33.320 of tell you he's a quarterback. He's always going to 0:51:33.400 --> 0:51:34.840 kind of tell you what he wants, what DC is, 0:51:34.880 --> 0:51:38.360 what he needs like all that shit, and me being 0:51:38.560 --> 0:51:41.600 you know, I'm you know, I was always older than him, 0:51:41.640 --> 0:51:43.960 but just from a era where you can you know, 0:51:44.000 --> 0:51:45.640 you can yell at me. I have to yell back 0:51:45.680 --> 0:51:47.640 at you. I will, but you know I'm out here. 0:51:47.760 --> 0:51:50.759 I'm with you, bro. And I just think the disconnect 0:51:51.600 --> 0:51:54.840 sometimes with CP and younger players is just his delivery 0:51:54.920 --> 0:51:57.360 because young players have been kind of so coddled in 0:51:57.400 --> 0:51:59.919 this new era where you know, you say something wrong, 0:52:00.320 --> 0:52:03.040 some of these motherfuckers that get you fired. Oh it's 0:52:03.320 --> 0:52:06.040 we're in the middle of this cancel culture shit. So 0:52:06.120 --> 0:52:08.319 it's just like, you know, these younger players have been 0:52:08.320 --> 0:52:10.520 given so much so fast, and I say they're not talented, 0:52:10.600 --> 0:52:12.560 They've just been given a lot fast. So it's just 0:52:12.560 --> 0:52:15.319 like when someone who's kind of a throwback personality like 0:52:15.880 --> 0:52:18.680 is barking at you, some motherfuckers don't like it. And 0:52:18.880 --> 0:52:22.759 Blake Griffin wasn't a fan. Yeah, I just yeah, I 0:52:23.360 --> 0:52:25.719 just think, yeah, I can't say they weren't. I mean 0:52:25.719 --> 0:52:27.680 when we were on, we were on. I think I 0:52:27.719 --> 0:52:30.400 think you guys are one of the prime examples of 0:52:30.400 --> 0:52:33.320 like people forget the injuries that happened in your guys' 0:52:33.360 --> 0:52:36.759 playoff runs, getting hurt, blatting, hurt, there was like just 0:52:36.800 --> 0:52:40.360 some timely injuries that were just like again like it 0:52:40.400 --> 0:52:42.720 almost like the basketball gods are like, no, you're the Clippers, 0:52:42.719 --> 0:52:45.719 go fuck yourself crazy that I mean to me because 0:52:45.719 --> 0:52:47.839 there was a year you guys beat the Spurs. Year. 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I want people to know that like 0:54:40.440 --> 0:54:42.440 we could tell our own stories now, you know, similar 0:54:42.440 --> 0:54:44.200 to what you're doing and how you are inspiring people 0:54:44.200 --> 0:54:47.320 in your space, like other people have always told our stories, 0:54:47.400 --> 0:54:49.560 and now the fact that we can tell our stories 0:54:49.560 --> 0:54:51.799 and articulate, you know, how we really feel and what's 0:54:51.840 --> 0:54:53.920 going on, instead of happening to hear from someone else, 0:54:53.960 --> 0:54:56.120 you could hear from us. So first and foremost we 0:54:56.120 --> 0:54:57.680 want to continue to do that. But then just you know, 0:54:57.800 --> 0:55:00.200 create great content. You know, I think that you know 0:55:00.239 --> 0:55:04.520 the secret to our successes. Like that's really my brother, 0:55:05.280 --> 0:55:07.000 I mean, so, like we talk real shit to each 0:55:07.000 --> 0:55:08.839 other and say shit to each other that other people can't, 0:55:09.000 --> 0:55:10.319 you know what I mean. So we always keep it 0:55:10.400 --> 0:55:13.759 light and always joking on each other. You know, when 0:55:13.800 --> 0:55:15.360 you come to All the Smoke, you know, when you 0:55:15.400 --> 0:55:18.200 get there, we're most likely smoking, listening to music, eating 0:55:18.200 --> 0:55:20.840 good food, taking shots, you know, I mean, like kickback. 0:55:20.880 --> 0:55:23.120 So we wanted just to create a really cool environment 0:55:23.640 --> 0:55:26.879 when you come fuck with us, that you just feel 0:55:26.920 --> 0:55:28.880 comfortable enough to kind of let your guard down, you 0:55:28.960 --> 0:55:30.319 know what I mean. So I think that's what we've 0:55:30.320 --> 0:55:32.920 been able to create with All the Smoke, where you know, 0:55:33.040 --> 0:55:34.839 the people say all the time, like man I've never 0:55:34.880 --> 0:55:37.359 told nobody this, You're like, damn, they feel comfortable enough 0:55:37.360 --> 0:55:39.399 to time. It kind of reminds me of like the 0:55:39.480 --> 0:55:41.880 athlete version of like Drink Champs, because people go in 0:55:41.920 --> 0:55:44.040 there like, Yo, Norieg is our guy, We've known him 0:55:44.040 --> 0:55:46.840 for twenty years. Everyone's having fun, like you kind of 0:55:46.920 --> 0:55:49.440 let your guard down because you're in a trusted yeah environment, 0:55:49.480 --> 0:55:51.719 you know, you know, you know, they know we're not 0:55:51.719 --> 0:55:53.319 trying to do We don't want to go viral for 0:55:53.360 --> 0:55:54.600 the wrong reason, you know what I mean. Like, my 0:55:54.680 --> 0:55:56.759 whole goal is always just to humanize our guests, like 0:55:56.800 --> 0:55:59.280 we know why Steph and KD and Kobe were great, 0:55:59.360 --> 0:56:02.080 and Shannon Sharp and Snoop were great, Like what are 0:56:02.080 --> 0:56:04.839 they like doing other ship? How did they become who 0:56:04.880 --> 0:56:06.600 they became? So I always just want to show people 0:56:06.640 --> 0:56:09.000 the other side of you know, some of your favorite people, 0:56:09.280 --> 0:56:12.880 and you know, we've you know, we found lightning in 0:56:12.960 --> 0:56:14.759 a bottle with this with this show, you know, So 0:56:14.800 --> 0:56:16.440 I just you know, I think, just think the evolution. 0:56:16.600 --> 0:56:18.439 I just we just started season four and I told 0:56:18.480 --> 0:56:20.240 our team, like, you know, we got to continue to elevate, 0:56:20.320 --> 0:56:21.920 So we just did our We did a live show 0:56:22.480 --> 0:56:27.120 in December with Magic Johnson at the Beverly Hill and 0:56:27.120 --> 0:56:28.719 shout Out the Beverly Hilton. So we did a live 0:56:28.719 --> 0:56:30.759 show with a live audience. So that'll be dropping I 0:56:30.760 --> 0:56:32.960 think next week, which is dope. But I just think 0:56:33.760 --> 0:56:38.120 live shows being on linear television as well as YouTube 0:56:38.480 --> 0:56:41.919 getting on that real Showtime platform and and and really 0:56:42.000 --> 0:56:45.120 kind of continuing to just spread our wings. Man. It's 0:56:45.120 --> 0:56:47.359 been fun, Like, you know, Showtime, A big shout out 0:56:47.400 --> 0:56:49.840 to Showtime and Malcolksh's kind of their in house production. 0:56:49.920 --> 0:56:51.799 They just allowed me to create a lot of other 0:56:51.920 --> 0:56:54.080 and do a lot of other things outside of doing 0:56:54.120 --> 0:56:56.000 all the smoke. You know, They've they've allowed me to 0:56:56.000 --> 0:57:00.920 bring talent in creating shows, producing show Like I'm doing 0:57:00.960 --> 0:57:02.799 a bunch of different things about that umbrella. So I 0:57:02.800 --> 0:57:05.239 think it's obviously very beneficial for both of us. So 0:57:05.280 --> 0:57:07.759 it's been fun. Yeah. Do you feel like because you 0:57:07.840 --> 0:57:10.279 have a documentary coming out about your life? Right? No, 0:57:10.400 --> 0:57:13.160 So we did. It was just a short a thing 0:57:13.239 --> 0:57:16.040 called Revolution that just dropped on Apple, Amazon, all those 0:57:16.080 --> 0:57:17.360 kind of things, and it was just kind of a 0:57:17.400 --> 0:57:20.440 snibit of you know, life after basketball what I was 0:57:20.520 --> 0:57:22.520 kind of doing at the time. I was bored right 0:57:22.560 --> 0:57:24.120 when I retired because I didn't really know what I 0:57:24.160 --> 0:57:25.760 wanted to do next. So we kind of just started 0:57:25.760 --> 0:57:30.040 filming my activism and uh, you know, my street activism, 0:57:30.240 --> 0:57:33.720 you know, my cannabis activism, fatherhood, like just what life 0:57:33.760 --> 0:57:37.520 was like as I was transitioning from the NBA. So 0:57:37.760 --> 0:57:39.240 we started shooting that like a five years ago. We 0:57:39.320 --> 0:57:41.320 kind of just wrapped a bow on it and put 0:57:41.320 --> 0:57:42.400 it out. So it was just a kind of a 0:57:42.440 --> 0:57:45.479 snibit of what's going on in my life, like speak 0:57:45.520 --> 0:57:48.840 on the cannabis activism front, because obviously, man, in this country, 0:57:48.840 --> 0:57:51.520 there's still a lot of people who are incarcerated for 0:57:51.520 --> 0:57:54.280 for some for weed, you know what I'm saying. And uh, 0:57:54.520 --> 0:57:57.880 you know, obviously sometimes we live in California, and I 0:57:57.920 --> 0:58:01.760 think sometimes we forget that not everywhere is like here. 0:58:02.600 --> 0:58:05.000 There's still a serious amount of states that you can't 0:58:05.040 --> 0:58:07.720 even get medicinal weed in and it's you know, it's 0:58:07.800 --> 0:58:10.520 it's it's kind of fucked up, you know, and what 0:58:10.520 --> 0:58:14.680 what are you doing in that space? You know? I 0:58:14.680 --> 0:58:17.600 have the cannabis company that I'm a part owner of 0:58:17.600 --> 0:58:21.960 of Seven Leaves up in Sack and we just we 0:58:21.960 --> 0:58:23.680 were we have a big grow out there, so we 0:58:23.720 --> 0:58:26.360 distribute to you know, pre pretty much all over California 0:58:26.400 --> 0:58:31.280 with that. I'm a part of uh Chris Weber's got 0:58:31.320 --> 0:58:34.600 uh something called Players Only. He's got you know, he's 0:58:34.640 --> 0:58:37.680 got a couple hundred million in cannabis funding that he's 0:58:37.680 --> 0:58:39.400 been doing some different players with. So I'm doing some 0:58:39.440 --> 0:58:43.600 stuff over there, you know. But I really, to be 0:58:43.640 --> 0:58:46.040 honest with you, I haven't done a ton lately because 0:58:46.040 --> 0:58:48.520 I've been so busy doing media. Like when I first 0:58:48.520 --> 0:58:50.320 came out of the NBA, like cannabis is everything in 0:58:50.320 --> 0:58:52.360 my advocacy, you know, flying out to New York and 0:58:52.400 --> 0:58:54.960 talking to the nv p A and the NBA about 0:58:55.120 --> 0:58:57.440 you know, not testing these guys, and like I was 0:58:57.480 --> 0:59:00.840 really trying to let people know like this plant can help, 0:59:00.840 --> 0:59:03.000 and at the time knowing who smoked and like, you know, 0:59:03.000 --> 0:59:05.760 if the world ever knew that knock on wood and 0:59:05.880 --> 0:59:08.280 he's announcing now that you know, Kevin Durant is you know, 0:59:08.640 --> 0:59:11.080 listening to medicaid and it was just like they would 0:59:11.120 --> 0:59:14.760 lose their mind. I've blown down the biggest Phoenix sun 0:59:14.800 --> 0:59:18.480 of the last twenty years. Pause no, fifteen. I will 0:59:18.520 --> 0:59:20.840 tell you who it is. But yeah, yeah, Steve nashould 0:59:20.840 --> 0:59:23.240 be twenty so yeah. Yeah. So it's just like, you know, 0:59:23.240 --> 0:59:26.520 everybody's using it. So my advocacy was really heavy on 0:59:26.560 --> 0:59:30.400 the social the social impact side, where you know, we're 0:59:30.400 --> 0:59:32.680 trying to have you know, black and brown people have 0:59:32.760 --> 0:59:36.520 more access to me in lives to to get those licenses. 0:59:37.080 --> 0:59:40.320 But it just became so corporate and unfortunately, you know, 0:59:40.440 --> 0:59:46.200 dominated by white folks just like everyone else. But you know, 0:59:46.080 --> 0:59:48.400 you know, the industry is it's just so saturated now, 0:59:48.760 --> 0:59:51.720 it's super saturated. The wead game is so saturated. Everyone 0:59:51.800 --> 0:59:54.760 has a fucking strain and a lot of all the 0:59:54.760 --> 0:59:57.800 strands are recycled and it's just your shit is just 0:59:57.840 --> 1:00:00.440 white labeled with some some other ship. It's put in 1:00:00.440 --> 1:00:03.040 a different bag. It is kind of crazy. It feels 1:00:03.040 --> 1:00:05.640 like it does feel like the weed game is kind 1:00:05.640 --> 1:00:07.480 of because I'm pretty involved a lot in the weed 1:00:07.520 --> 1:00:10.360 industry as well, and you know, there's so many like 1:00:10.400 --> 1:00:12.680 if you go to dispensary, there's a lot of that 1:00:12.720 --> 1:00:14.640 week that's in the same like three or four bags, 1:00:15.080 --> 1:00:17.680 you know that. And then I mean I remember, like 1:00:17.760 --> 1:00:20.400 I've always been carrying weed, you know, not to just 1:00:21.200 --> 1:00:23.640 luckily I've been good, but before it was legal, or 1:00:23.680 --> 1:00:25.840 I'd always because I would always take away when we 1:00:25.880 --> 1:00:28.240 travel because you couldn't find good weed in other cities. 1:00:28.800 --> 1:00:30.960 I mean, now you're you go to your fine, you 1:00:31.000 --> 1:00:33.560 just find a dispenser. You're gonna find something good, something decent. Yeah, 1:00:33.600 --> 1:00:35.880 so it's just like it it's out there. So it's 1:00:35.920 --> 1:00:37.840 just it. It got saturated. But you know me, I 1:00:37.920 --> 1:00:40.920 just stay in my lane, smoke my seven leads. That's 1:00:40.960 --> 1:00:45.720 all over. You are somebody who, obviously, congratulations you just 1:00:45.760 --> 1:00:49.960 got engaged to your lady, which is amazing. You've always 1:00:50.000 --> 1:00:53.880 been somebody who's been on the forefront of letting everybody 1:00:53.960 --> 1:00:56.160 know being a good follower is a good thing to 1:00:56.200 --> 1:00:57.840 show off because I feel like you're you're you're you're 1:00:57.880 --> 1:01:01.480 you're a great father man man. But you also kind 1:01:01.480 --> 1:01:03.960 of had an era of your personal life on TV, 1:01:05.280 --> 1:01:08.160 which you know, I'm sure there's pluses and there there's 1:01:08.160 --> 1:01:11.400 gifts and curses of that, but like, is that something 1:01:11.440 --> 1:01:12.800 that was like because you know, we all we all 1:01:12.800 --> 1:01:14.200 think about the Derek Fisher thing and all that. We 1:01:14.280 --> 1:01:17.200 won't get into that, but like, was that something that 1:01:17.240 --> 1:01:20.640 you kind of went through for this new relationship to 1:01:20.760 --> 1:01:23.440 kind of kind of keep something well you you learn 1:01:23.520 --> 1:01:26.360 on the fly, you know what I mean. It's it's uh, 1:01:26.480 --> 1:01:31.320 you know, reality TV it was kind of new back then. 1:01:31.960 --> 1:01:34.320 It was very new. You know, there's there's Flavor of 1:01:34.400 --> 1:01:37.280 Love and maybe one O the Real World and then yeah, 1:01:37.320 --> 1:01:38.680 but you guys were the first. I feel like you 1:01:38.680 --> 1:01:41.600 guys were like the first stuff that lane, like the 1:01:41.640 --> 1:01:45.360 basketball wise you know, franchise was was was new and 1:01:45.400 --> 1:01:48.080 it was crazy because my ex wife and I at 1:01:48.080 --> 1:01:50.720 the time, you know, just had twins. I just moved 1:01:50.720 --> 1:01:53.360 to Phoenix. I was just that first year, like was 1:01:53.360 --> 1:01:59.120 that eight Yeah, And I remember my girl starts asking me, like, 1:01:59.360 --> 1:02:01.360 you know, Sean Shack's wife, you know, she's going to 1:02:01.400 --> 1:02:03.200 start the show and it's going to be us, you know, 1:02:03.320 --> 1:02:05.840 raising our families and stepping outside of your shadows and 1:02:05.880 --> 1:02:10.320 doing charitable work. Just like, nah, we don't need that. Yeah, 1:02:10.680 --> 1:02:13.640 Like we're rich. We got you know, we got two babies, 1:02:13.640 --> 1:02:15.720 we got two brand new babies. You know, we just 1:02:15.760 --> 1:02:18.280 got to a new team. Let's just let's just so 1:02:18.360 --> 1:02:19.760 we went back and forth for months and it was 1:02:19.840 --> 1:02:22.240 just a no, no, no, And then they got shock 1:02:22.320 --> 1:02:24.920 on me, and Shock kept pressuring me, pressuring me and 1:02:24.920 --> 1:02:27.800 pressure me and pressuring me, and finally I just said, 1:02:27.840 --> 1:02:31.200 fuck it, all right, let's do it. And you know, 1:02:31.240 --> 1:02:35.400 the one positive from it was it opened the door 1:02:35.480 --> 1:02:38.280 to you know, this content space for me during that 1:02:38.280 --> 1:02:40.560 time and just kind of understanding seeing like, Okay, this 1:02:40.640 --> 1:02:42.720 is how this this shit is made. But you know, 1:02:42.760 --> 1:02:45.280 it's not hard to make quality stuff and said that's 1:02:45.320 --> 1:02:47.320 not quality, but that's just not my taste stuff. But 1:02:47.360 --> 1:02:49.480 like I can really get in this space and start creating. 1:02:49.520 --> 1:02:53.080 So it kind of opened my eyes to that back then. 1:02:53.120 --> 1:02:56.200 But then it also crossed me over somewhat to a 1:02:56.240 --> 1:02:58.520 different audience for sure, you know what I mean, Like 1:02:58.600 --> 1:03:02.200 that basketball wise, I get sometimes women women will see 1:03:02.240 --> 1:03:04.680 me in the mall or somewhere like you're the guy 1:03:04.720 --> 1:03:07.440 from Basketball Wives, aren't you. I'll be like, yeah, you 1:03:07.440 --> 1:03:09.160 know what I mean. So it's just like it kind 1:03:09.200 --> 1:03:10.840 of is what it is, but again a learning experience. 1:03:10.840 --> 1:03:12.680 But just realize at that point, once we had opened 1:03:12.680 --> 1:03:15.200 our personal life up to the world, that it would 1:03:15.200 --> 1:03:19.120 never close again. We opened that book and you know, 1:03:19.520 --> 1:03:21.800 my ex and I we went through some shit and 1:03:22.160 --> 1:03:25.520 you know, we ended up divorcing and twenty fifteen and 1:03:25.640 --> 1:03:29.480 you know, twenty sixteen, it's finalized and you know, the 1:03:29.520 --> 1:03:32.040 fish shit happened and then you know, me and him 1:03:32.080 --> 1:03:36.120 made up and you know, now we're co parenting, But 1:03:36.160 --> 1:03:37.920 it was it took a long time to get to 1:03:37.960 --> 1:03:39.680 that point. Yeah, I was gonna say, I think for 1:03:39.720 --> 1:03:41.960 anybody who's watching this who's gone through like a breakup, 1:03:42.000 --> 1:03:45.640 like what if you man co parenting to and being 1:03:45.720 --> 1:03:48.360 mature about it, it took takes a while to get 1:03:48.360 --> 1:03:51.480 to that point, right, man, absolutely, because sometimes you know, 1:03:51.520 --> 1:03:55.200 the kids are used, you know, weaponized against you, and 1:03:55.240 --> 1:03:57.320 it's it's it's tough, you know what I mean. But 1:03:57.400 --> 1:03:59.400 it's just I think at the end of the day, 1:03:59.440 --> 1:04:01.800 you know, you have to realize that it's bigger than 1:04:01.920 --> 1:04:03.600 the parents. After that, you know, if you guys have 1:04:03.720 --> 1:04:07.400 decided to really be apart, it's bigger than y'all. And 1:04:07.560 --> 1:04:09.000 you know, the kids didn't ask to be brought into 1:04:09.000 --> 1:04:12.440 the situation, so you got to you know, and it's 1:04:12.720 --> 1:04:16.320 so common now unfortunately blended families or or you know, 1:04:17.320 --> 1:04:21.480 fathers or motherless home. So learning the co parent you know, 1:04:21.800 --> 1:04:24.560 has taken a long time, and you're you're always learning 1:04:24.640 --> 1:04:26.560 to be honest with you but you know, the goal 1:04:26.640 --> 1:04:28.680 is to you know, be on the same page as 1:04:28.760 --> 1:04:30.600 much as you can with your ex, you know, for 1:04:30.640 --> 1:04:32.840 the sake of the kids in it. Again, it took 1:04:32.880 --> 1:04:36.080 us a long time to get there, you know, but 1:04:36.120 --> 1:04:37.520 we're finally there, and I it's just, you know, the 1:04:37.520 --> 1:04:40.280 boys are thirteen now. When we split, they were ship 1:04:42.200 --> 1:04:44.080 That's pretty crazy because I just remember seeing your kids 1:04:44.080 --> 1:04:46.000 on TV and that, like the fact that they're that 1:04:46.040 --> 1:04:48.040 old now is like fun. They just turned fourteen. It 1:04:48.080 --> 1:04:50.880 doesn't feel like that was that long ago. Got mustaches, 1:04:50.920 --> 1:04:53.080 telling my girls and all kinds of shit like that. 1:04:53.120 --> 1:04:55.120 I feel like they were just babies. What are they 1:04:55.160 --> 1:05:00.760 like playing video games? Are they video games? Basketball? Girls? Shoot? 1:05:00.920 --> 1:05:02.560 Do they do the anime thing? A lot of kids 1:05:02.560 --> 1:05:05.080 are an anime. They have their own podcast called the 1:05:05.120 --> 1:05:07.840 Barnes Boys. Check it out, Oh fire Ze, Like their 1:05:07.880 --> 1:05:10.440 shit is dope, Like you help them out with like 1:05:10.480 --> 1:05:13.280 production tips. So I started everything and then I took 1:05:13.320 --> 1:05:16.720 it over to the company that produces my stuff, Malca, 1:05:17.160 --> 1:05:18.800 and we've turned it into like where about to actually 1:05:18.840 --> 1:05:21.240 start season two? So that's dope. We got the YouTube 1:05:21.320 --> 1:05:24.240 channel going, Yeah Barnes Boys, Yeah, Barnes Boys YouTube. So 1:05:24.280 --> 1:05:27.040 it's dope. So they're into that. They love basketball now 1:05:27.160 --> 1:05:29.520 and then in video games, so it's you know, and 1:05:29.520 --> 1:05:30.640 then I had a four year I have a four 1:05:30.720 --> 1:05:33.520 year old who's coming down the pipe, who's likely six 1:05:33.640 --> 1:05:35.840 or seven. He's gonna be a big ass defensive end. 1:05:36.360 --> 1:05:38.080 That's why I have my fiance. And then we have 1:05:39.600 --> 1:05:42.280 her daughter that's eleven, her son that's ten, and her 1:05:42.320 --> 1:05:44.760 son that's nine. 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Oh my goodness, Yo, there was 1:07:52.760 --> 1:07:56.120 one of the more iconic moments that we always see 1:07:56.160 --> 1:07:58.800 when there's Kobe highlights is when you're on the Magic 1:07:59.240 --> 1:08:00.840 and you pump face him with the ball and he 1:08:00.920 --> 1:08:05.040 does not flinch. Talk talk to me about that game 1:08:05.080 --> 1:08:06.640 in that moment and what led up to that, and 1:08:06.760 --> 1:08:09.320 just kind of because he didn't flinch at all, and 1:08:09.440 --> 1:08:11.840 that was kind of, you know, like, you're naturally flinch. 1:08:11.840 --> 1:08:14.120 I don't care how tough you are. You flinch, Yeah, fu, 1:08:14.240 --> 1:08:16.280 how tough you are. Everybody flinch is in that moment. 1:08:17.800 --> 1:08:19.360 First of all, I didn't realize how close it was 1:08:19.439 --> 1:08:23.080 to his face, but I just thought what I've always thought, 1:08:23.080 --> 1:08:26.000 he's a cold motherfucker. I like. So, I met Kobe 1:08:26.080 --> 1:08:27.840 in ninety eight. So he came to the Lakers in 1:08:27.920 --> 1:08:30.000 ninety six. I got to UCLA in ninety eight, and 1:08:30.120 --> 1:08:32.040 he was young, and so you know, well, document it's 1:08:32.080 --> 1:08:33.800 kind of an outcast on that team when he'll be younger. 1:08:34.040 --> 1:08:35.639 So he used to be on our campus all the time, 1:08:35.840 --> 1:08:40.439 like eating, chilling, talking to people, working out, playing, picking up. 1:08:40.479 --> 1:08:42.720 So I you know, I've known Kobe on just to 1:08:43.320 --> 1:08:46.280 what's up level since I was eighteen years old, you know, 1:08:46.360 --> 1:08:47.840 and once I got in the league, it was just 1:08:47.920 --> 1:08:50.160 always I knew when I was at UCLA he used 1:08:50.160 --> 1:08:52.120 to sneak back into Polly and work out. I'm just like, yeah, 1:08:52.120 --> 1:08:54.320 this motherfucker is gonna be him. Remember one time when 1:08:54.320 --> 1:08:55.920 he had a broken right hand, he would do a 1:08:55.960 --> 1:08:58.000 whole work I left handed, the whole thing like he 1:08:58.080 --> 1:09:01.320 was a left It was incredible. I'm just like, so, 1:09:01.760 --> 1:09:03.040 you know, got a chance to play with them. They 1:09:03.080 --> 1:09:04.519 were just always mutual respect, you know what I mean. 1:09:04.640 --> 1:09:07.200 He plays hard, I play hard. So we get to 1:09:07.280 --> 1:09:09.680 that situation with the Magic and Lakers. They had just 1:09:09.680 --> 1:09:12.280 played in the finals the year before, yep. So that 1:09:12.439 --> 1:09:15.160 following year, it was like March getting close to the playoffs, 1:09:15.320 --> 1:09:17.680 and you know, we're both both sides looking good, so 1:09:17.720 --> 1:09:20.280 I'm thinking, like, hey, we're gonna play these motherfuckers and finals. 1:09:21.160 --> 1:09:22.519 So it was just a back and forth game and 1:09:22.720 --> 1:09:25.400 and and you know, guys that played against Cob would 1:09:25.400 --> 1:09:27.160 tell you like, not only is he a killer, but 1:09:27.280 --> 1:09:31.240 he's like he tries to mentally bully you and intimidate 1:09:31.320 --> 1:09:33.080 you too. So he does all the sneak ship with 1:09:33.160 --> 1:09:37.240 the elbows and sports and held me and my sternaman 1:09:37.240 --> 1:09:38.760 and knocked the wind out of me that game, Like 1:09:38.840 --> 1:09:40.479 I caught a lot like he tried to. He was 1:09:40.560 --> 1:09:42.479 guarding me, and he tried to block the white shot 1:09:42.520 --> 1:09:44.360 from helpside and it came off the grim perfect and 1:09:44.439 --> 1:09:46.479 I caught a dunk tip and thats all was coming 1:09:46.520 --> 1:09:48.280 off with her, and this motherfucker eld with me from 1:09:48.400 --> 1:09:51.640 like my my growing area to my chest and right 1:09:51.720 --> 1:09:53.519 underneath my chin and the rest right there. I'm like, you, 1:09:53.680 --> 1:09:56.040 bitch ass motherfucker, You're not gonna call nothing, huh like. 1:09:56.320 --> 1:09:58.720 So I just got to the point where I was 1:09:58.800 --> 1:10:02.439 gonna fight him. It was dope. We talked about it 1:10:02.520 --> 1:10:06.600 on my podcast. He wasn't budget. I wasn't budget. But 1:10:06.680 --> 1:10:08.599 long story short, we end up beating them that game. 1:10:09.479 --> 1:10:11.280 They go to finals, beat Boston. We lose to Boston 1:10:11.320 --> 1:10:14.040 in the Eastern Finals. Lakers beat Boston in the finals, 1:10:15.000 --> 1:10:16.639 and then are you on the Lakers the next year? 1:10:16.680 --> 1:10:20.840 I'm a free agent the next that summer and the 1:10:21.240 --> 1:10:24.120 ship with Orlando fell through. So I was actually in 1:10:24.320 --> 1:10:26.800 tossed with pat Riley to go to the Heat and 1:10:26.920 --> 1:10:28.559 he's kind of telling me what's coming to the Heat. 1:10:28.600 --> 1:10:31.200 And that's when Bron and Chris Bosh and that's what 1:10:31.400 --> 1:10:33.439 he was telling me. Who are the crunch time lineup? 1:10:33.479 --> 1:10:35.920 But be and you know he said it would be 1:10:36.040 --> 1:10:39.719 you know me, Mike Miller, d Way, Bron and Bosh 1:10:39.760 --> 1:10:42.280 at im just like, yeah, all of us, six eight, 1:10:42.320 --> 1:10:45.040 all of us do everything that could. And then out 1:10:45.040 --> 1:10:46.360 of the blue, I get a call on my phone 1:10:46.400 --> 1:10:48.240 from my number I don't have saved, and I really 1:10:48.280 --> 1:10:49.880 don't answer my phone anyway. For some reason, I just 1:10:50.000 --> 1:10:54.280 answered it and it was cold. Yeah, Hello, Yeah, what's 1:10:54.320 --> 1:10:56.840 going on? Its cold? I'm like, yeah, fuck, who is this? Yeah, 1:10:57.000 --> 1:10:58.600 that's me. I got your number form So so I 1:10:58.680 --> 1:11:01.960 was like, oh, Okay, what's happening. Who's you gonna do 1:11:02.040 --> 1:11:05.680 next year? I don't know what you're talking about. He's like, 1:11:05.760 --> 1:11:07.560 you know, we just start going back and forth, and 1:11:07.720 --> 1:11:09.720 just like any anybody crazy enough to fuck with me, 1:11:09.760 --> 1:11:11.800 it's crazy enough to play with me. Do you want 1:11:11.840 --> 1:11:15.640 to be a Laker? I'm like, hey, motherfucking yeah. So, 1:11:16.640 --> 1:11:19.120 like three or four days after that, I was a Laker. 1:11:19.840 --> 1:11:21.439 Do you ever think back to like what would have 1:11:21.479 --> 1:11:23.200 happened if you went to the Heat? Oh? Man, I 1:11:23.200 --> 1:11:26.280 would have won too, Champ maybe three maybe three? Maybe 1:11:26.320 --> 1:11:28.599 you would have been the difference against the Mavericks. Oh yeah, 1:11:28.640 --> 1:11:31.080 because I was someone who can you know, put some 1:11:31.160 --> 1:11:34.760 miles on dart Man. Yeah, never know. Yeah, I mean 1:11:34.760 --> 1:11:36.840 it's always but to me, it's you know, to get 1:11:36.880 --> 1:11:38.639 a chance to play, like I grew up a Laker fan. 1:11:38.880 --> 1:11:41.000 Yeah of course. Now help me out here. So you 1:11:41.120 --> 1:11:43.360 go to the Lakers. Is this around the time Dwight 1:11:43.439 --> 1:11:46.479 and Steve Nashville? This is I'm in the Clippers by then? Okay, 1:11:46.479 --> 1:11:48.920 okay that makes sense. Yeah, okay, okay, come there. Yeah, 1:11:49.080 --> 1:11:52.160 and you know that unfortunately that situation didn't work out 1:11:52.200 --> 1:11:53.920 for them. You played with Dwight and I feel like, 1:11:54.120 --> 1:11:55.920 like you were saying earlier, I feel like Dwight somehow 1:11:55.960 --> 1:11:57.719 does not get a fair shake when we think about 1:11:57.720 --> 1:12:00.400 the best baby with oh Man, when he was with 1:12:00.479 --> 1:12:03.360 the Magic, Like we're talking about like all NBA leading 1:12:03.720 --> 1:12:08.600 every All Star Game. I mean they went to the finals, 1:12:08.760 --> 1:12:12.679 like Dwight beat lebron in the finals with the Eastern Finals. 1:12:12.760 --> 1:12:14.519 Dwight in the Eastern Finals, That's what I mean. Yeah, 1:12:14.560 --> 1:12:19.120 but the most disrespect ever from someone who was a 1:12:19.200 --> 1:12:22.000 factor on a Lakers championship team a few years ago, 1:12:22.160 --> 1:12:24.600 like a couple of years ago, Like, yeah, yeah, it 1:12:24.680 --> 1:12:26.800 was incredible. What Dwhight does. He just rushed back from 1:12:26.840 --> 1:12:29.599 his back surgery, you know what I mean, he something 1:12:29.640 --> 1:12:31.000 that was supposed to take a year. I think he 1:12:31.160 --> 1:12:33.920 was back moving around in you know, four or five months. 1:12:34.360 --> 1:12:36.559 He wanted, you know, to prove itself. Was so bad 1:12:36.640 --> 1:12:38.920 to the Laker fans, and he was never the same 1:12:39.160 --> 1:12:41.400 you know, the Dwhite I used to played to play for. 1:12:41.479 --> 1:12:43.400 I never felt more comfortable playing defense than I knew 1:12:43.400 --> 1:12:45.080 when Dwight I was behind me because he was someone 1:12:45.120 --> 1:12:47.760 that would lay you out or he can jump to 1:12:47.840 --> 1:12:51.000 the top of the backboard and block the shot and 1:12:51.080 --> 1:12:54.120 he was just so fucking strong too. So yeah, D 1:12:54.160 --> 1:12:56.400 White was a box. Uh, you're obviously a big hip 1:12:56.400 --> 1:12:58.640 hop guy. Give me your top five favorite albums of 1:12:58.680 --> 1:13:03.120 all time? I don't. I won't go. Let me go people, Okay, 1:13:03.160 --> 1:13:05.880 give me your top five because you got Tupac on 1:13:05.920 --> 1:13:08.040 your hand. Yeah, I got Tupac and Nipsey on my hand. 1:13:08.080 --> 1:13:11.400 I'm gonna take Tupac and and and Biggie out of it. Okay, 1:13:11.479 --> 1:13:13.240 that's fair. Me. Those are my two all time favorites 1:13:13.320 --> 1:13:15.200 outside of that and that's and and anybody can say 1:13:15.240 --> 1:13:16.800 those two who do I listen to the most. I 1:13:16.880 --> 1:13:22.760 listened to jay Z, I listened to to Wayne, I 1:13:22.880 --> 1:13:29.200 listened to Drake, I listened to Nipsy. It's my fifth 1:13:29.240 --> 1:13:32.479 gonna be it's probably gonna be a tie between like 1:13:32.760 --> 1:13:37.240 Rick Ross and Snoop. That's fair, that's fair. Yeah, that's 1:13:37.280 --> 1:13:39.439 not a bad five. What you funk with any of 1:13:39.479 --> 1:13:42.160 the younger ship because obviously there's my kids like I 1:13:42.320 --> 1:13:44.600 like Little Baby. I saw that there was a little there. 1:13:44.920 --> 1:13:46.400 Let me ask you, because you're a hip hop here, 1:13:46.400 --> 1:13:48.760 there was a debate. Obviously I know where I stand, 1:13:48.800 --> 1:13:51.000 but they said, uh, a little Wayne or Little Baby thing. 1:13:51.080 --> 1:13:52.800 It's a little Wayne. I don't even think it's close. 1:13:52.800 --> 1:13:56.000 It's not even close. It's like, like, let's relax, a 1:13:56.040 --> 1:13:58.200 relax with all due respects, with all due respect. I 1:13:58.240 --> 1:14:00.639 love Little Baby and I love My Turn a great album. 1:14:01.000 --> 1:14:06.000 Everyone needs to fucking relax. Everyone needs to relax. I 1:14:06.040 --> 1:14:08.760 saw that tweet going viral. I'm like, guys, everyone needs 1:14:08.760 --> 1:14:11.320 to fucking relaxed for I didn't even comment on it, 1:14:11.400 --> 1:14:13.519 just because I knew that and I'm very and I'm 1:14:13.640 --> 1:14:16.759 very critical of a little Wayne. Everyone needs the fucking relax. 1:14:16.840 --> 1:14:21.280 They're not in the same fucking conversation. Yeah, people, These 1:14:21.320 --> 1:14:24.040 Twitter people are fucking insane. I'll just be staying in 1:14:24.080 --> 1:14:26.640 my like I said, if I hear it out and 1:14:26.720 --> 1:14:29.080 about or you know, in the in the content space 1:14:29.120 --> 1:14:30.519 out here and my kids are telling me about it, 1:14:30.560 --> 1:14:32.120 but most of the time I'll be staying in my 1:14:32.200 --> 1:14:34.120 own you know. I mean, the the people I listed, 1:14:34.760 --> 1:14:37.519 I'd be kind of staying to them, Like heavy on Nip, Huge, 1:14:37.680 --> 1:14:39.479 just huge fan of Nip. Got a chance to meet 1:14:39.560 --> 1:14:42.479 Nip when man. When I first came to the Lakers 1:14:42.520 --> 1:14:45.320 sold in two thousand and my brothers always put me 1:14:45.400 --> 1:14:48.720 on music. It was like you forty always at these 1:14:48.760 --> 1:14:51.120 Warriors games, there was this something that Okay, you know 1:14:51.200 --> 1:14:53.400 he was loyal. I love Forty. That's my guy. He 1:14:53.520 --> 1:14:55.080 was loyal to the soil. I just want to make 1:14:55.080 --> 1:14:57.080 sure he's keeping that energy because him and I argue 1:14:57.120 --> 1:14:59.400 all the time about sports. He's always from. He was 1:14:59.400 --> 1:15:02.320 always from. That's the one thing about the Bay not 1:15:02.439 --> 1:15:04.840 to change subject. That was always dope was the Bay 1:15:04.960 --> 1:15:08.240 always show love like the like that we believe team 1:15:08.439 --> 1:15:10.600 we made history, but they had been bulleted. But it 1:15:10.800 --> 1:15:13.080 always the fans were always crazy. It always smelled like 1:15:13.120 --> 1:15:15.360 weed and oracle like the Bay was. That was such 1:15:15.360 --> 1:15:17.840 a crazy uh just it was what was it you? 1:15:18.040 --> 1:15:21.879 Michael Petrice, Baron Davis, They Rich, Stephen Jackson, Al Harrington, 1:15:21.960 --> 1:15:26.800 Monte Ellis Beadrince b Drins that big tall mm hmm 1:15:27.080 --> 1:15:30.479 Germany from Lafia. He's from one of those fucking yeah 1:15:31.520 --> 1:15:33.479 to drink his ass on boy. They used to call 1:15:33.600 --> 1:15:35.720 him Goose because he was in the club with the 1:15:35.800 --> 1:15:38.759 whole thing of Goose. When did you leave the Warriors 1:15:40.360 --> 1:15:42.320 eight nine, two and two thousand and nine. I was 1:15:42.360 --> 1:15:44.960 there two thousand and six seven. Monte Alis was coming 1:15:45.000 --> 1:15:48.559 off the bench on that team. When you say Monte 1:15:48.800 --> 1:15:52.320 was the most improved player that year, I think in 1:15:52.360 --> 1:15:54.800 the NBA. But he rotated from he went back and 1:15:54.880 --> 1:15:56.720 forth from starting coming off the bench. I started off. 1:15:56.760 --> 1:15:59.160 He was a bucket, man, Man was a killer. He 1:15:59.280 --> 1:16:01.240 was a bucket. He was just a baby. But yeah, 1:16:01.320 --> 1:16:04.400 my table is nice. Me listen, man. I love the podcast. 1:16:04.439 --> 1:16:06.280 I love everything you're doing. I love watching you on TV. 1:16:06.400 --> 1:16:08.560 You do a great job. I feel like, like we 1:16:08.560 --> 1:16:11.080 were talking about earlier, Man, sometimes you'll see like people 1:16:11.120 --> 1:16:15.160 who are on TV and they got there because you know, 1:16:15.920 --> 1:16:18.280 just because you're the biggest day, don't mean you're great 1:16:18.320 --> 1:16:20.800 at talking about shit on TV. Let's just say that. 1:16:21.240 --> 1:16:23.920 I think we've realized that safe. Yeah, that's safe to say, 1:16:24.280 --> 1:16:26.320 but it's dope to see, you know. I feel like 1:16:26.479 --> 1:16:30.920 you've done a great job of turning turning your second 1:16:30.960 --> 1:16:35.519 career into something that's that's on high integrity. And I 1:16:35.680 --> 1:16:37.640 just I mean to me and I'm always me, like 1:16:37.760 --> 1:16:39.559 JT said that one time and to me a residents 1:16:39.560 --> 1:16:41.720 so much like every room I'm rock in on me. Yep, 1:16:41.800 --> 1:16:43.840 you know, whether I'm at ESPN, I can't cuss as 1:16:43.920 --> 1:16:45.519 much as I normally tut. I'm still gonna be me, 1:16:45.800 --> 1:16:47.880 you know. I mean, I'm in every room, I walking 1:16:47.960 --> 1:16:50.360 I'm walking into NBC doing the King shit, I'm walking 1:16:50.400 --> 1:16:53.679 into Showtime doing all the smoke. I'm doing stuff with ESPN, 1:16:53.760 --> 1:16:55.840 I've done stuff with Fox. Like I'm just always me, 1:16:55.960 --> 1:16:58.760 and I think that's kind of allowed me to, first 1:16:58.800 --> 1:17:00.800 of all, dispell any kind the notions you may have 1:17:00.840 --> 1:17:02.880 had about me, like, yeah, he's a dog, he's this 1:17:03.000 --> 1:17:05.000 is not just a competitor. And I like to fight. 1:17:05.080 --> 1:17:06.840 I don't like to fight when I'm over. But that's 1:17:06.920 --> 1:17:08.160 just who I was as a player, you know. But 1:17:08.320 --> 1:17:10.000 as a as a as a man, as a father, 1:17:10.080 --> 1:17:11.920 as a business owner, as a as a as a 1:17:12.040 --> 1:17:15.240 as a mind, I'd like to say I kind of 1:17:15.280 --> 1:17:17.360 got it together. So it's just we got to smoke out. 1:17:17.360 --> 1:17:21.160 Stephen A. Yeah, he owes me to smoke out. Actually, 1:17:21.280 --> 1:17:23.519 And I feel like Richard Jefferson could use some fucking 1:17:23.520 --> 1:17:26.840 weed because he's he seems a little uptight. Listened him up? 1:17:28.000 --> 1:17:30.200 Does r J smoking mass? I don't know you should 1:17:30.200 --> 1:17:33.200 find out. Shout out to r J. You of a 1:17:33.760 --> 1:17:36.040 even though I fuck with a su over u A. 1:17:36.200 --> 1:17:38.920 But yeah, man, who he who oh weight on nine 1:17:38.960 --> 1:17:41.320 on the Suns. That was Steve Nash, was that Robin 1:17:41.520 --> 1:17:45.519 was that Robin Lopez, Robin Lopez, Grant Hill, Rajah Bell 1:17:46.360 --> 1:17:47.920 That was the first year Shack was on the team, 1:17:48.040 --> 1:17:52.120 right when we traded from so Yeah, Rajah Bell was 1:17:52.160 --> 1:17:55.880 a dog too, was tough. Yeah, marche Stodamyer So that's 1:17:55.920 --> 1:17:58.240 the year Maris State that almost got his eye poked out, 1:17:58.280 --> 1:18:01.000 and the remember and didn't really play like half. We 1:18:01.080 --> 1:18:03.400 had Terry Porter. Terry Porter's a new coach. Terry Port. Oh, 1:18:03.720 --> 1:18:05.280 I was able to get fired at All Star breaks. 1:18:05.280 --> 1:18:09.000 I remember that you fired after like not even I 1:18:09.160 --> 1:18:15.960 remember that Terry Porter was a terrible coach. You know what? Okay, 1:18:16.640 --> 1:18:19.840 did you play with Earl Watson at U c l A. Okay, 1:18:20.240 --> 1:18:22.040 he coached our sons for a little bit, right. A 1:18:22.080 --> 1:18:23.559 lot of people feel like he got a bad shake. 1:18:23.640 --> 1:18:25.720 What do you think he did? I liked it and 1:18:25.840 --> 1:18:28.080 and the and the players resonated with him too, because 1:18:28.120 --> 1:18:30.400 I feel like they fired him like super quick and like, dude, 1:18:30.439 --> 1:18:32.920 he inherited a ship show with Eric Bledsoe didn't want 1:18:32.920 --> 1:18:35.280 to be there that it was Ryan McDonough was trash 1:18:35.360 --> 1:18:39.360 and yeah, it was it was under some racial tension 1:18:39.400 --> 1:18:41.439 that him went down with Sarvar. That's how he got fired. 1:18:41.520 --> 1:18:44.120 Did you catch any of the racial tension ship because 1:18:44.120 --> 1:18:46.560 you you played for Donald Sterling, right, Yeah, that I 1:18:46.680 --> 1:18:48.240 was on that team. You were on that team and 1:18:48.360 --> 1:18:51.240 the Warriors in the playoffs and that was crazy, crazy 1:18:52.680 --> 1:18:54.479 Chris Paul has been on two of those teams now. 1:18:55.800 --> 1:18:57.599 But when you played for the Suns for that short stint, 1:18:57.680 --> 1:18:59.920 did you notice any of that type of like work 1:19:00.120 --> 1:19:02.720 environment or any of the No, because I wasn't you 1:19:02.760 --> 1:19:04.320 know what I mean, I wasn't really mixing with him, 1:19:04.840 --> 1:19:06.800 you know what I mean, Like, you know, obviously on 1:19:06.920 --> 1:19:08.679 the guys on the team, he's going to be cool 1:19:08.680 --> 1:19:10.479 with around, He's going to be cool. He's always he's 1:19:10.560 --> 1:19:12.559 trying to be cool, you know. So I never really 1:19:12.560 --> 1:19:13.960 saw no smoke. I had just had a little bit 1:19:13.960 --> 1:19:15.360 of smoke with him once I left, and he toak 1:19:15.439 --> 1:19:17.960 some slictions me during the game and I told him 1:19:17.960 --> 1:19:19.280 I slaped the shit out of him, and he told 1:19:19.360 --> 1:19:21.280 him and I got fined. What was it like playing 1:19:21.280 --> 1:19:30.840 with Steve though? Sharp mind, hard worker, tough, tough. Yeah, 1:19:30.960 --> 1:19:32.920 Nash was a beast. I just think that he he 1:19:33.040 --> 1:19:34.679 just wasn't the right fit. I you know, I hope. 1:19:35.080 --> 1:19:36.880 I think Steve can be a good coach in this league. 1:19:36.880 --> 1:19:38.719 I just don't think that was the right The NETS 1:19:38.760 --> 1:19:40.960 fit was right for him. But I mean, Steve is 1:19:41.000 --> 1:19:43.759 a bright mind, and yeah, I feel like the NETS 1:19:43.800 --> 1:19:47.559 thing is like you kind of you kind of don't 1:19:47.600 --> 1:19:49.760 want to be a fellow Hall of Famer coaching the 1:19:49.840 --> 1:19:52.120 other Hall of famers. If that makes it, I don't know, 1:19:52.680 --> 1:19:54.479 but yeah, we'll see. Man, would you ever get into 1:19:54.560 --> 1:19:58.400 coaching thanks of too much time? Yeah? He probably make 1:19:58.439 --> 1:20:01.000 more money doing your thing anyway, and got a lot 1:20:01.040 --> 1:20:03.320 of respect. I coached my kids AU team, but that ship, 1:20:03.400 --> 1:20:05.439 that's two time consumer. I just don't have time. There 1:20:05.479 --> 1:20:09.040 it is, bro, We'll listen all the smoke new episodes? 1:20:09.200 --> 1:20:11.719 Is it? How often you guys dropping a weekly every Thursday? 1:20:12.479 --> 1:20:16.519 Every Thursday? Catch you on ESPN. If you pull into 1:20:16.560 --> 1:20:20.240 a dispensary and you see seven leaves, buy an eighth? Yes? 1:20:21.160 --> 1:20:25.400 Anything else coming? No? Right now, I'm just Barnes Boys Podcast, 1:20:25.439 --> 1:20:29.200 Your sons check up. Barnes Boys Podcast continuing Season two 1:20:29.680 --> 1:20:33.000 be out soon, Sit Man Boom, There it is Man, 1:20:33.000 --> 1:20:35.960 Matt Barnes I appreciate your time. Brother, Yes, Sir boom 1:20:36.120 --> 1:20:36.200 Ye