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Speaker 1: Buleg Cap Podcast special guest in here, the legendary Matt Barnes. Welcome,

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Speaker 1: rather welcome, Welcome Man, thanks for having me, NBA veteran

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Speaker 1: legendary podcaster, NBA broadcaster personality, he's got hands, the man

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Speaker 1: of many talents. Yeah, I appreciate you pulling up man

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Speaker 1: for real. Bro. Thank you for having me. Bro. You're

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Speaker 1: always one of my favorite players to watch, BRO when

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Speaker 1: you were playing, because I always like, look at the

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Speaker 1: players who I'm like, Man, I hate watching him, but

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Speaker 1: if he was on my team, I would love. I

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Speaker 1: just played hard. I mean I was a football player,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I played football growing up.

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Speaker 1: I kind of got into basketball late junior highest because

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Speaker 1: I kept getting taller and I started taking more serious.

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Speaker 1: But I grew up being football, So I just looked

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Speaker 1: at myself as like a football player out there playing basketball.

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Speaker 1: So I liked the physicality. I played hard, and you know,

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Speaker 1: I got fifteen years out of it, so it was cool.

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Speaker 1: What position did you play football? Receiver? That makes sense.

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Speaker 1: I was nice, not the two min horn. I was

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Speaker 1: nice to I led the nation in touchdowns. I was

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Speaker 1: all American, like the top receiver coming out of high school.

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Speaker 1: Where are you actually, like originally from So born in

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Speaker 1: San Jose, lived there for about six seven years, and

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Speaker 1: then did the rest of my time from like eight

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Speaker 1: to eighteen in Sacramento, and then came down to La

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Speaker 1: for u C. L A and pretty much been in

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Speaker 1: La ever since. Yeah, so you are a West Coast

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Speaker 1: boy for real, for real, Kelly. Yeah, yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: so obviously growing up you had to be a Kings fan.

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Speaker 1: Chris Webber, So, I grew up a Lakers fan. The

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Speaker 1: Magic Johnson you know, showtime in the early eighties when

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Speaker 1: I started with My dad liked the Lakers, so I

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Speaker 1: grew up really liking them in the forty nine ers,

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Speaker 1: and then the Kings came, you know, when I got

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Speaker 1: to Sack, you know, the Kings were the team, but

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Speaker 1: they weren't very good. So I started, like, I always

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Speaker 1: have respect because that's where I was, you know, kind

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Speaker 1: of growing up at but you always paid attention. Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 1: But once they got web and and j will First

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Speaker 1: and Bib and those are the you know, those are

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Speaker 1: the homies, that's when I really kind of started rooting

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Speaker 1: for him. So I remember being at UCLA when that

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Speaker 1: King's Lakership was going on that was a serious beef.

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Speaker 1: That shit was fun in the early two thousands. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's one of like I feel like when we talk

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Speaker 1: about like teams that like never got a ring. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: one of the greatest to never win it. I think

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Speaker 1: it's like the Kings and the running gun Sons, like

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Speaker 1: the seven seconds or Less Sons. One of those Portland

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Speaker 1: teams were good. Oh, those Portland teams that even even

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Speaker 1: the Pacers teams. Yeah, those the mouse at the Palace here,

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Speaker 1: those guys were supposed to be the best team in

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Speaker 1: the league. Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. You were like, uh,

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Speaker 1: you were kind of like I feel like we were

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Speaker 1: just talking a bit off the camera, but you were

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Speaker 1: kind of like the veteran that I felt like the

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Speaker 1: young dudes really also respected on your teams. Would that

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Speaker 1: be there to say, you know, I just I led

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Speaker 1: by example, you know what I mean, Like, I played

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Speaker 1: my ass off, I'll do anything for the team. They

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Speaker 1: know I'm team first, and I treated them like my family.

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Speaker 1: So whenever there was smoked on the court, they knew

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Speaker 1: I was gonna be in it. Like all the majority

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Speaker 1: of the times I got fined, I got fined like

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Speaker 1: a lost Probably they said something over like half a

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Speaker 1: million dollars in fines. Jesus. It was never me starting something,

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Speaker 1: was me coming to the defense of a teammate, the

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Speaker 1: only person to paying my files that Marion was cold,

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Speaker 1: but everyone else let me take them. Shit, I was

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Speaker 1: fucked up. Did you defend somebody? So yeah, man, I mean,

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Speaker 1: like I said, I mean, that's just like I said.

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Speaker 1: I grew up with, you know, a father that if

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Speaker 1: your brother and sister fight, fight, you better fight. If

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Speaker 1: they win and lose, you better fight. You're gonna get

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Speaker 1: your ass. So are you gonna get your ass whip?

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Speaker 1: So that's kind of how I grew up. So I

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Speaker 1: just always looked at my teammates as family. It's just

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Speaker 1: like whenever it was not that I'm the toughest, baddest motherfuckers,

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Speaker 1: but I'm always gonna have just no, I'm always gonna

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Speaker 1: I played. So you know, when I spoke, I was

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Speaker 1: never the star. I was a role player, but I

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Speaker 1: was never the star whatever. But you were starting a

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Speaker 1: lot of your career, man, But every team I was on,

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Speaker 1: because I think I just led by example. Yeah, it's great.

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Speaker 1: So when you had Kobe's back and you gotta fined,

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Speaker 1: he paid your fis as far as ye. The only

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Speaker 1: dude that's crazy because I've been watching, like obviously this

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Speaker 1: year there was a you' The guy who I can't

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Speaker 1: stand right now because of how he's treated my son's

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Speaker 1: is Patrick Beverly because he got at your guy CP

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Speaker 1: in the back and then earlier this year he later ate. Now,

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Speaker 1: I like Pat Bev. I just I don't like everything

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Speaker 1: he does, and I don't have to. He says some

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Speaker 1: pretty crazy shit too. Yeah, yeah, he says them out,

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Speaker 1: he says them atlantic. No, it wasn't really to me.

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Speaker 1: It was to to CP, you know. And I'm just thinking,

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Speaker 1: like I just didn't like. I feel like media now

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Speaker 1: is it's so it's less about you know, kind of

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Speaker 1: covering what we're watching and critiquing, and it's more just

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Speaker 1: about being disrespectful exactly. I just don't like that, you know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like, if you know the game.

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Speaker 1: There's so much more you can talk about than being

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Speaker 1: just straight disrespectful. And it's tough because we do have

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Speaker 1: to critique, especially for more players. We have to critique

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Speaker 1: people we played with before, of course, and that's part

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Speaker 1: mean that you see guys like Skip Bayless, he's tripping

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Speaker 1: and I just feel like guys like are so disrespectful

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Speaker 1: that type of energy, But we don't because we really

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Speaker 1: doing whatever they do and I respect everyone in their life.

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Speaker 1: The talking heads are different than the former player. Man.

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Speaker 1: We have a different we have a we have a

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Speaker 1: natural leg up. We really lived this, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. So I just didn't like the way and

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Speaker 1: the crazy part was like we had a little back

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Speaker 1: and forth like this is all about ratings, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean. ESPN loved it. He was on TV

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Speaker 1: like the next six six days. Yeah, they put him

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Speaker 1: I just you know, like his you know, like come on, man,

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Speaker 1: we don't need that coming, you know, the way he

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Speaker 1: obvious there's like a personal vendetta there. I mean, we

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Speaker 1: can go back, fine, and it can be that's right

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Speaker 1: And to me, that's and to me, that's where someone

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Speaker 1: but sometimes any time Lebron would get brought up, you

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Speaker 1: the first. It's the personal stuff, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: And it's just naturally as competitors, that's just how we are.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, if you're gonna be on TV and

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Speaker 1: in kind of like a cool or a funny way,

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Speaker 1: but you can't be biased in a hater way. Exactly.

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Speaker 1: You can't be a hater. You can't be a hater

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Speaker 1: that's some real ship because it's just you know, look

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is a whole other direction even going.

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Speaker 1: But the kind of like former players, I feel like

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Speaker 1: It happens a lot, and it just kind of respect

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Speaker 1: the evolution, you know. I mean, I get the money's

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Speaker 1: don't deserve the money. But you know, some of these

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Speaker 1: one of those situations where we have to gritique. That's

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Speaker 1: leave the hate out, like there's just no room for you.

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Speaker 1: To me. You always want to love and push it

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Speaker 1: and courage the next generation to continue to be greater

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Speaker 1: and continuing to raise the bar. And if you're gonna

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Speaker 1: from that to their game. Criticism. It's about being constructed

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Speaker 1: and there's been a lot of people. But I just

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Speaker 1: some ship. But Charles doesn't give a fuck what you

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Speaker 1: Charles don't give a fuck. And I think it's just

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Speaker 1: a part of the culture. Now. I don't always agree

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Speaker 1: I think also, Chuck's been doing that job for like

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five years now, so like he's his NBA

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Speaker 1: some people only know him as broadcast you know, and

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Speaker 1: but the one thing I love about him is he's

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Speaker 1: always been as a player, he was this way, this

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Speaker 1: is me, take her to leave it, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. So I always you know, respect Chuck. But

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Speaker 1: again he's one of the you know people in the

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Speaker 1: spaces where when you know, I think something like you

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Speaker 1: do you give him a past because it's Chuck, you

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Speaker 1: Shack's ass too, but I mean a Shack like, what

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Speaker 1: can you really say to Shaq? You know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: So I think there's a few guys that are just

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Speaker 1: always hating, but it's just you know, sometimes some credise

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Speaker 1: ship come at the mouth. But I mean outside of that,

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Speaker 1: I just think, you know, we should always try it again, critique,

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Speaker 1: but make it ruck constructive, kidder sism, something they can

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Speaker 1: adder their life or to their game. Yeah. No, you

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Speaker 1: obviously had a fifteen year NBA career When you guys

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Speaker 1: me ask you this working with Paul Pierce when he

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Speaker 1: Paul Pierce would always be at the club, having himself

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Speaker 1: a good time, great guy, like but I remember is

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Speaker 1: somehow parody Paul Pierce being at like being at a

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Speaker 1: house party with strippers. All has fun, all has fun,

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Speaker 1: you know, but it's just like it takes us back

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Speaker 1: obviously it doesn't get more Disney, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: And although you know it was just I think I

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Speaker 1: conversations when I've renegotiated my deal with ESPN talking about

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm a cannabis advocate, I have a company

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Speaker 1: this kind of strang I mean, so I'm a bit is.

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Speaker 1: It's a business to me, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: So I've had to have those conversations, but it was

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Speaker 1: just like Paul, shit was just like a perfect storm,

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Speaker 1: I guess. So, yeah, a lot of different things and unfortunately, man,

501
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Speaker 1: it didn't end well. It's crazy because like back in

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Speaker 1: the day when you were playing, obviously they would be

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Speaker 1: testing for weed, right, so like marijuana was frowned upon

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Speaker 1: in the league. And what were what were you actively smoking? Yeah, man,

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Speaker 1: I smoke my whole sauce. I started smoking, uh like

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Speaker 1: eighth grade to ninth grade summer, So that was your

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Speaker 1: starting point. You smoked throughout the whole your whole concent

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Speaker 1: So what were ways you were dodging the tests. So

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Speaker 1: when I first got in the league, like they used

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Speaker 1: to do one team drug test in the preseason, so

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Speaker 1: they would test everybody in one day. It was what

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Speaker 1: it was. Everyone knew to you know, stay clean for

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Speaker 1: that test and then you could you know, motherfuckers had

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Speaker 1: blunts or joints in the car since we got down

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Speaker 1: with practice. It's amazing. But then it you know, it started,

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Speaker 1: it went to four random so it was just like

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Speaker 1: a real job to stay So I would always stay up,

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Speaker 1: like maybe every six to eight months, I would stock

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Speaker 1: up on these. I'd go to go to I can

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Speaker 1: to G and C and I just tell them like yo,

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Speaker 1: and they'd always recognize it, like what's the best drink

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Speaker 1: to clean out you know the detox stuff? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and they would. I would be up front with them,

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Speaker 1: and it was never shipped. It was out whatever we

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Speaker 1: could see here. No, my cousins are on probation. You

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Speaker 1: used to always have to go and get that ship

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Speaker 1: and then drink a bunch of it. So it was

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Speaker 1: always underneath the counter. So like my test day, So

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Speaker 1: I used to pay my trainers a little bit of

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Speaker 1: like hey, uh, you know, because at first they would

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Speaker 1: say the names, so we would really know who's coming,

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Speaker 1: you know, but later they just it was when they

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Speaker 1: were coming. They wouldn't say who was getting tested until

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Speaker 1: you got there. So every time I got that morning call,

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Speaker 1: which everyone would get the morning call, like hey, drug

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Speaker 1: test today, you know, be ready name, you get the

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Speaker 1: names and you get here, I had to prepare like

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Speaker 1: as if it was me. So even though it wasn't me,

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Speaker 1: every time I had to prepare, and that shit is tough,

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Speaker 1: Like you had to wake up hella early, drink this

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Speaker 1: whole little thing and it's nasty as fuck, and then

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Speaker 1: drink like three or four waters and just keep paying

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Speaker 1: like you had to pee like three, four or five times.

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Speaker 1: And then once you pee that much like you're your

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Speaker 1: ship is a kind of a it's clear, like you

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Speaker 1: have a window of like how long it's you know,

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Speaker 1: your pee is clear, like six to eight hours. It's crazy.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy because like I never thought as a kid,

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Speaker 1: you'd see the day were like an active NBA player

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Speaker 1: like KD. Right, it's like involved in a marijuana company.

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Speaker 1: That's what I said, I, you know, like a lot

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Speaker 1: of people took a lot of chances. You know, I

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Speaker 1: got caught twice. You get caught three times, you're suspended

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Speaker 1: for five games and everyone knows about it. So I

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Speaker 1: got caught twice in my fifteen years. And but also

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Speaker 1: like you're allowed to admit yourself to the program as

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Speaker 1: well if you know you're gonna fail. One time, I

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Speaker 1: didn't have my drink and they got me. I was

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Speaker 1: just I was slipping. So I called the dudes right there, like, yo,

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Speaker 1: I'm about to get tested and I know I'm gonna fail,

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Speaker 1: and they will. They allow you to come into the

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Speaker 1: rehab program. And you gotta think about all the money

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Speaker 1: the NBA took from people back then, people's careers. The

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Speaker 1: with tour it all. They'll give us any kind of

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Speaker 1: And I'm sure football is even worse. And it's just

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Speaker 1: like they want to pump us full of that, but

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Speaker 1: not the actual anti inflammatories that aren't addicted. They want

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Speaker 1: to find us and suspend us. And some people who

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Speaker 1: lose their career, you know, over something that that can

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Speaker 1: help us now that something that's legal now as well. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because if you think about the downside of any painkiller,

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Speaker 1: it's it's masking one thing and causing problems in another area,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it's just that temporary

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Speaker 1: get you back out their relief that they need to

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Speaker 1: make money. When you look at like, because we always

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Speaker 1: hear that the I mean, you obviously played not too

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Speaker 1: long ago, five years ago, right, what twenty seventeen was

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Speaker 1: your last year? Was that the year you want to

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Speaker 1: is when the NBA really started to go heavily towards

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Speaker 1: the three. But who's somebody who gives you, like when

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Speaker 1: you came into the league energy, Like just someone who's tough,

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Speaker 1: someone who's playing right now, Who's I just like guys

590
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Speaker 1: changed so much that like the game is continuing to grow,

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Speaker 1: and it's because it's it's more offensive, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean, Like you know, seventy eight to eighty two,

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Speaker 1: I mean the Thunder put up one fifty last night

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Speaker 1: against the Celtics. I mean, these low defensive, grinding games

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Speaker 1: they used to get don't sell. You know, people when

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Speaker 1: on their phone. They want to see dunks, they want

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Speaker 1: to see threes from having on. Can you imagine that

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Speaker 1: the Spurs and Pistons were in the finals in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty one, people would kill themselves. It wouldn't work. So

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Speaker 1: I say all that to say, there's like, it's kind

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Speaker 1: of like the guys that played like me are kind

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Speaker 1: of like the last of a dying breeze, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean, the three and D someone in forcers, tough,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like these fucking kids are

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Speaker 1: as can be, and they're just you know, they're they're

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Speaker 1: So I love it when I always because I'm I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm not mad at that, and that's just because I

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Speaker 1: look at who he played in the finals. I feel

625
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Speaker 1: like he went up against the Warriors all those years,

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Speaker 1: he went up against the dynasty of Spurs through Detroit.

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Speaker 1: He had to go through Detroit, who just want to

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Speaker 1: Was it all seven or O five when they went

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Speaker 1: with Katie Russ and James Harden, I'm not man. I

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00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 1: to me. I just think that the league's talent pool

638
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 1: is so much more higher than it was when Jordan

639
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 1: and and of course Jordan had to go through the

640
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: Pistons and and and you know there was Larry Bird

641
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: and Magic Johnson and those guys. But I just think

642
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: the talent pool, like if I I love watching every

643
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,959
Speaker 1: team right now, I have lead pass, there's not a

644
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: team that I'm not interested in because they got a

645
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: couple of guys that can go. Yeah, I'm like, oh

646
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: the Pistons around, well, Kate Cunningham's out, but I'm like, oh,

647
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: I want to see Ivy, I want to see uh Bay.

648
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: Like there's like no, I definitely get it. And when

649
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: when I was a kid, like the Clippers like sucked,

650
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: like they really sucked. But even the teams that aren't

651
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: good are still fun to watch and have good foot.

652
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: Right now, it's crazy, it's crazy. I mean yeah, So

653
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: what was the question that I was going to say, Like,

654
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: do you feel like the talent because you you played

655
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: through so many, like fifteen years, do you feel like

656
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: the talent pool nowadays is just off the charts deeper

657
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: than it's ever been or is that just recency bias

658
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: because we're watching basketball. I think the I think the

659
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: skill level might be as high as we've ever seen it.

660
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: Uh talent. You know, you think back to the you know,

661
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: late eighties and early nineties and then I don't even

662
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: want to disrespect no Air because every year I had talent.

663
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm thinking, like you know, young Mike in

664
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 1: that in that era, there was there was a lot

665
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: of motherfuckers in that era. But I think often, you know,

666
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: we just we're kind of prisoners of of now and

667
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,239
Speaker 1: what we've seen of like you know what I mean.

668
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: So obviously there's a lot of talent on on both sides,

669
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: but I feel like the skill level, the athleticism, all

670
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: this shit is just it's it's it's continues to grow.

671
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: I think like back in the day, like the Cavaliers

672
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: were like a big deal for the Bulls to go

673
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: against with Craig Elo and Brad Daughtry or whatever the

674
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: fuck his name was. I used to play with them

675
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: one NBA jam when I was But I'm like, none

676
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: of the like, none of like nobody's gonna be Like

677
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: both of those guys are all time greats. Nobody's saying.

678
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: I mean, they were good at the time, but I

679
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: think now and I'm just like, yo, Like if you

680
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 1: look at all three of the All NBA teams every year,

681
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,719
Speaker 1: it's like fuck, like the fact like Katie can get

682
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: left off because he was injured. It's just like the

683
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: fact Damian Lillard is like not in the top ten

684
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: right now. I think the game is just continued to evolve. Yeah,

685
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: because DA looks like an all time great point guard,

686
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: no question, no question. But back to my original point, like,

687
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: I don't any like to me, it's it's it's MJ.

688
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,479
Speaker 1: And there's no odor. But in the these three, I

689
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: can live with arguments for either of them, MJ, Cobe

690
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: and Mike as far as to me, those are the

691
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: you said, MJ Cob and Mike Cob and Lebron excuse me,

692
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: MJ Cob and Lebron. Like to me, I can see

693
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: Jordan being one. I can see some people have Cob

694
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: number one, some people have Lebron number one. You know,

695
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: I could see to me, those three guys are with

696
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: all due respect everyone else at the top of the pyramid.

697
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,239
Speaker 1: You know, you hear guys like you know and you

698
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: never want to disrespect legends or people that come before you.

699
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: But I just feel like some of those older older players,

700
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: like when you talk about the top seventy five lists,

701
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: those older players that were like foundational for the league

702
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: and and and yeah, like almost like the meaning to

703
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: the league outweighs their actual talent. Yeah. I mean, to me, like,

704
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: there's no way you can leave a Dwight Howard or

705
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: Vince Carter or Tracy mcgree the Dwight. The Dwight thing's crazy. Yeah,

706
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: sure he was the most he was the best center

707
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: for ten years. Yeah. So it's just like there's so

708
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: much stuff that you know to me because like you said,

709
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: the town level was so much on a night to

710
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: night basis better than it was, you know back in

711
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: the fifties, sixties, you know, coming into the seventies, it

712
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: was just like a lot of these current guys that

713
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: got left off. You look at it, it's just like, no,

714
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: those guys really weren't better than these guys are left

715
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: off with even close. Yo, you had a full circle

716
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: moment winning a ring and ending your career with the Warriors,

717
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: obviously being a part of the We Believe run. Was

718
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: I mean that shit? I know, you guys didn't get

719
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: out of the second round, but getting out of that

720
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: first round against Dirk and the Mavericks was so crazy

721
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: and that team was just so much fun to watch.

722
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: But can you take me to that championship run. I know,

723
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: you know at that point you were a veteran on

724
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: the team. But how high was the animosity between the

725
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: Warriors and the Cavaliers Because I had Emon on and

726
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: he said it was He's like that shit was up

727
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 1: for real. He's like the group chats were active, we were.

728
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: It just felt like it was because you know, they

729
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: had gone to battle several times, you know, four, you

730
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And then you know Cleveland got one.

731
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: I think at the twenty the Lawyers had had two

732
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: for the two or three maybe two was the third

733
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: and one one more. So it was intense, you know,

734
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: for me personally, you know, it was crazy because so

735
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: I leave, I sign a you know, three year deal

736
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: with Sacramento thinking that all right, you know, just finish.

737
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go finishing, finish up at home. We got

738
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: a new arena, maybe make the playoffs and you know,

739
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: you know, get ready for my transition. So I wasn't

740
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: triven with that, and so then the King's trade DeMarcus

741
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: Cousins at the at during the All Star break, like

742
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: while he's down the podium the Pelicans. Yeah, he gets told,

743
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: he gets traded. So you know, we're to the point

744
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: where they're trying to go younger. You know, I'm talking

745
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: to management like I'm too old to try to rebuild, like,

746
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: you know, help me out. Yeah, let me get up

747
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: out of here, you know what I mean. And they

748
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: were on the same vibe, so yeah, release from there,

749
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: but they still had to pay me, uh, you know,

750
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: the rest of my contract because guaranteed. And then really

751
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 1: literally simultaneously when that happened, kd gets hurt for Golden

752
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: State when they're in DC, hyper extends his knee. So

753
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: you know, I get a call from their team to

754
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: you know, Kti's down. You know, we're gonna need you

755
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: to come out. I was like, shit, easy call, you

756
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Not too far from home, nah,

757
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: you know, So I went out there. You know the

758
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,240
Speaker 1: first night, you know, I played like twenty twenty five minutes.

759
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: So it was dope because it was just like I've

760
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: never played on a team that had so many starts.

761
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 1: But it was just selfless, Like going to work every

762
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:36,959
Speaker 1: day was dope. The energy in the weight room after

763
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: everything was just damn, I see why you motherfuckers be

764
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: winning all this shit, Like it's fun to be here,

765
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 1: you know, like Ego lists basketball dope, so it's crazy.

766
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: No I go out there playing. I'm playing anywhere, you know,

767
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two to twenty four minutes a game. In

768
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: the very first game KD comes back is about a

769
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 1: week before the playoffs, or maybe week to ten days

770
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: before the playoffs, and the game he comes back, I

771
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 1: sprained my ankle and nearly break the worst sprain of

772
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 1: my fucking career, and I was out. I kept trying

773
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 1: to come back, and it just I wasn't ready, And

774
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: by the time I felt halfway decent, I'm just like, damn,

775
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: I want to try because it's you know, we're heading

776
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: to the finals, like it was a Western Conference finals,

777
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: like we're already eight and oh so as a vet,

778
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: I knew I wasn't. You know, you don't a role

779
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: player is not going to really able to jump in,

780
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 1: and you know, if you're a start coming back into

781
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: different story. So I just kind of had to, you know,

782
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: stay in shape, just in case it needed me stay ready,

783
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,400
Speaker 1: and then you know, talk to guys when I saw stuff,

784
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, even though you know I

785
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: was new there, those guys like again that you know,

786
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,879
Speaker 1: they respected, you know, my body of work and how

787
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 1: hard I played. So I wasn't someone who was overstepping

788
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: my bounds. But there'd be times where at any time,

789
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: you know, that's the thing. Cool thing about it, where

790
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: I having that conversation with Draymond, had you know, long

791
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: conversations with Clay, you know, me and Kadi used to

792
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: get down after games, you know, burn a few and

793
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: just talk about the game, you know what I mean.

794
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: So it was just like that kind of og positivity

795
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: and ways to look at things. And and that team

796
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: ended up winning championship, you know what I mean. But yeah,

797
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: they man handled the Cavaliers that year, that's for sure. Yeah. No,

798
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: that that was even though those teams were chicos. You

799
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: I mean, once Katie got healthy and Steph and play

800
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: and Pray and Iggy and I just don't like, like,

801
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: if Katie would have just stayed on the Warriors, who

802
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: knows how many more rings, I mean, it would have

803
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: been ugly. I was so I was actually very happy

804
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: that he left because I felt like the balance of

805
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: power readjusted in the league. For a couple of years,

806
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: it was more about duos and not trios anymore. So

807
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: it was like, I like the way it is now.

808
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: There's parody in the Western Conference specifically, there's so much. Ye,

809
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: there's just so much. I just mean, like if you

810
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: look at like the Sons are the eight seed right now,

811
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,439
Speaker 1: but they're four and a half games behind the one seed.

812
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you can make a five game win,

813
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,760
Speaker 1: seven game winning streak and you know, jump up four spots,

814
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: so you can go in a three or four game

815
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: lose the streak and slide down three or four spots.

816
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: Like the West is super tight, so it's dope. Hey,

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Speaker 1: your dick should be ready. You don't want to be

847
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: a you know, a victim of too much stress, too

848
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 1: much anxiety, and then you look down and you can't

849
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: stay hard. You imagine how fucking embarrassing that is. You

850
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 1: get yourself a nice, lovely, fucking young lady, you bring

851
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 1: it to the place you're nervous, she's a little maybe

852
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: she's a little out of your fucking league, and you

853
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: start thinking too much and that dick's not gonna perform.

854
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 1: It's not it's not gonna perform how you'd like it,

855
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: but you know how it will perform. You're on that

856
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,320
Speaker 1: fucking blue Choo. You're gonna put in a fucking luka

857
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: donkic sixty one point fucking performance on that pussy all right,

858
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,480
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859
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: that promo code Bootleg. Let's get back to the interview.

860
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this I've seen because this year

861
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: it seems like there's like a rule right where you

862
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,879
Speaker 1: really can't go back to back to back MVP. It's

863
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: barely ever happened. I don't I can't remember when it's

864
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 1: happened unless Larry Bird got three, and I think there

865
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: was a there was an argument to be made that

866
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: Harden could have got it again. There's an argument if

867
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:39,959
Speaker 1: Giannis could have got it last year, the year before

868
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 1: or whatever. A lot of people are saying, Jokic motherfucker man,

869
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: yeah man, and he's built like me, so like right now,

870
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: we have these two white dudes that are kind of

871
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: just like kind of like normally built, like flabby white

872
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 1: dudes who are like, it's just kind of crazy, Like, yeah,

873
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:01,919
Speaker 1: I don't even you know. I saw Bill Simmons talking

874
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: about Jokic and he said that he's the funnest player

875
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 1: since Larry Bird some shit, he said. Some shit. A

876
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 1: lot of people are pissed off about. But like you

877
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 1: do this for a living, you analyze the game, like

878
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:16,919
Speaker 1: how special is Jokic and how special is the Now.

879
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 1: I know how special Luca is because we should have

880
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: drafted him over DeAndre Ayden and I came sick to

881
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: my stomach every time, But like, how special are these

882
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: two uh, white Caucasian unicorns in the league? Right now.

883
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: It's fucking crazy. They're incredible each. I mean obviously Jokic first,

884
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 1: you know his ability to do it all from his size,

885
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: you know, his length, his basketball a Q. I mean,

886
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 1: there's no holes. There's no holes in his game. I

887
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: mean he's okay defensively, yeah, I mean yeah, in a

888
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 1: league where defense doesn't really matter. There's no holds what

889
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: I mean. So to me, there's no real holes in

890
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 1: his offensive game. And then Luca. I think Luca's gonna

891
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: go down as an all time great me too, man,

892
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 1: I mean, he's only twenty three years old. The numbers,

893
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: the video game numbers in year four, I'm like, if

894
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,240
Speaker 1: you go year four like one through four, maybe Wilts

895
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: can hang with him. They showed a comparison of him

896
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: and Lebron after like a certain amount of games, maybe

897
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: a month ago, at a certain amount of games. We

898
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 1: want to say, how many games, I don't remember, but

899
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: Luca was like two points better to a couple of

900
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: rebounds better. And it'sist better than Labron, you know, through

901
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: that same span. So uh, and it's scary because Luca's

902
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: only twenty three, you know what I mean. We literally

903
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: just talked about this shit. On ESPN today, Like guys

904
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: don't really kind of hit their peak into twenty eight,

905
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: nine thirty. You know, Lucas motherfucking he ain't even get

906
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 1: it shape yet. That's what's crazy. It's like a batch

907
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 1: it if he wants to get He's in better shift

908
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: he was last year. Yeah, he's in better shape than

909
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: he was, so, I mean he's learning the game. But

910
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: it's I don't think we've ever seen someone so offensively

911
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:57,240
Speaker 1: what's the word brilliant? I mean, from the amazing passes

912
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: he makes to how he can score from every single

913
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 1: he's a dog too. He's big. Yeah, he's bigger than

914
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: he's bigger than me. He got that fucking attitude. Yeah,

915
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,439
Speaker 1: because he's seen it. I mean he's at thirteen, Luca

916
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: was playing basketball. What motherfuckers was drinking beers and smoking

917
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: cigarettes at halftime, you know what I mean? Like Luca

918
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: Benner pro since he was in seventh like for like

919
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: my kids in eighth grade, like losing Benner prosins he

920
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 1: was in seventy you know, technically seven. You know, I

921
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: just saw I just saw a picture of him and

922
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook from like twenty seventeen when he was like

923
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 1: a kid. Yeah, yeah, he's been thrown in the fire.

924
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: So he was built for I mean he was built

925
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: for this. Talk about growing up in Sacramento. Sacramento, I

926
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: feel like finally has had like a lot of dope,

927
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: big uh recognition in the hip hop world with my

928
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 1: guy Mazzi Free Mazzie. But then you know, growing up

929
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: there was like brother Lynch Hung and Cibo and and

930
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: I used to listen to a lot of even though

931
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: they're not from master P in high school. Yeah, Sacramento

932
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: is like one of those that is like super active,

933
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: like surprise you. It's a very active place because when

934
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: you fly in, all you see is like fields. So

935
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: people like this motherfucking caws and then you know that

936
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: the fans go crazy with their low cowbo. So there's

937
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 1: a real misconception that Sack Sacks got a lot of

938
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: smoke out there. It definitely does a lot of smiling,

939
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 1: and it's not anything to brag about, like it's really dangerous. Yeah,

940
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:24,720
Speaker 1: between like Stockton and Sacramento, it's a there's bodies, bodies

941
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: are dropping, Yeah dude, I mean so it's just like

942
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: it's it's you know, Sacramento is different. You know, Luckily

943
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,760
Speaker 1: coming from you know, the Bay area. Uh, my parents

944
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: were able to put some you know money together to

945
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: not necessarily get us, to get us in a in

946
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: a better area, right, you know, like my cousins and

947
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 1: my aunt was killed in a parkat slash left and

948
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: the gutter, like my cousins that living Sack were in

949
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:51,919
Speaker 1: like in the heart of aunt. Yeah, my little sister,

950
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I would always so

951
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 1: my parents, you know, were able to do better by

952
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: the time we were able to move up to Sack.

953
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: So they would always put me in predominantly white schools.

954
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 1: And I never understood why. I never understood. Used to

955
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: hate it because all my neighborhood friends were mixed, like

956
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: Mexican blacks, some Asians, some white kids. But I never

957
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 1: got to go to school with those kids, so I

958
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 1: always had to go to different schools. But you know,

959
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: now getting older and finished, you know, looking back, I mean,

960
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: it's just it made me the chameleon I am because

961
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: I could. You mean, I was going to Oak Park

962
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:25,320
Speaker 1: and all those things. You know, I grew up in

963
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 1: the Oak Park YMCA, you know center, and you know,

964
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: so I could be there and then I could be

965
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: and you know the nicest part of Sacramento with you know,

966
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: a bunch of white kids, you know what I mean.

967
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 1: So I saw so much diversity, you know, at a

968
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: younger age that it just you know, allowed me to

969
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: kind of be able to move and slide in different rooms.

970
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: Now I feel like you do. I feel like you

971
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: do a great job of that. Now. I feel like,

972
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: just like the vast, like diverse cast of people you

973
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: guys interview on your podcast, it's like, yeah, I know,

974
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: it's been growing, man, it's been fun, you know what

975
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: I mean. I remember when you guys did the Kobe interviewed.

976
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 1: That was one of your first was it like one

977
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: of the first five or six? It felt like it

978
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: was early number ten. Yeah, it was one of the

979
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: earlier ones. You obviously played with Kobe. What years were

980
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: you with Kobe? I was with Cobe I think the eleven,

981
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: thirteen or fourteen, so that was obviously kind of some

982
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: rough Laker years. No, well, no, so I came right

983
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 1: after they won to I came when they were going

984
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 1: for a three p so Phil's last year. So you

985
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: were there when okay, okay, so you were there kind

986
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: of like the end of like the peak. Yeah, the

987
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 1: run was over unfortunately. So you played with Lamar on

988
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: that team. Yeah, Lamar, Lamar pale buying him. Uh what's

989
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 1: the locker room like with Matt Barnes and Lamar owed

990
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: him at the same time, Funny and Test was in

991
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: that mother and run our tests. So like people don't

992
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: know Koke talk big ship, Like I was like right

993
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: when I went to team, because I'm someone that just

994
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 1: keeps everybody loose. I talked Matt Barnes, run our tests,

995
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant, and Lamar owed him in the same locker round. Shit, amazing.

996
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: It was fun, you know what I mean. And you

997
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,760
Speaker 1: know he used to poke fun to everybody like nobody

998
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: was safe, you know, and everybody get fun poked at them,

999
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it was those Laker

1000
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: days were fun, man, really fun. Yeah, what was because

1001
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: I mean, Kobe is not going on anyone's podcast A

1002
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: lot of people have podcasts. Kobe didn't do a lot

1003
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: of interviews, so you guys obviously had a friendship that

1004
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 1: stuck with him and resonated with him. That was a

1005
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: very tough loss for the world man's particularly La you

1006
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: know obviously you know the world lost, but for La

1007
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 1: for sure. But yea, La lost a superhero, you know

1008
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like LA got to watch Kobe grow,

1009
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 1: you know, as a as a seventeen year old boy.

1010
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: Come to La. What was the one thing that you

1011
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: feel like people don't necessarily know about Kobe that you

1012
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 1: know being around him as much as you were as

1013
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: fun like He's not like it was funny because he

1014
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 1: used to be on the bus and talking shit back

1015
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 1: and forth, and he'd be talking shit, talking crazy and

1016
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: everyone be busting up. And I remember one time taking

1017
00:46:58,160 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 1: on the bus like, yea, why don't you show the

1018
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: rest of the world this this side of cod Yeah,

1019
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 1: looked up and he's like, I can't show these motherfuckers this,

1020
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? So COPD the one thing

1021
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 1: like cop was cool, like talk big ship. Was there

1022
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: anybody who was too sensitive for his ship talking on

1023
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,879
Speaker 1: the team. He used to go at Pal pretty hard.

1024
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: And it wasn't the power was sensitive, but he would

1025
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: just that was just why I think with his way

1026
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 1: of pushing Palace buttons. But he used to go at Pal.

1027
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 1: I'd be like, damn, Cope, come on, Pal, let's go

1028
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: and go handle it, you know what I mean. So,

1029
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: but but Cobe was one of those dudes. It was

1030
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: just he He would run through a wall. So he

1031
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: wants you to play as absolutely as hard as you can,

1032
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 1: have no fear in your heart, and go to war

1033
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: with him. Yeah, I feel like Cope's the kind of

1034
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: guy that's like, not gonna ask anybody of anything that

1035
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:46,720
Speaker 1: he wouldn't do himself. And I think most great leaders

1036
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: are like that. It's like, yeah, I ain't gonna ask

1037
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:49,919
Speaker 1: you to do nothing I'm not gonna do. When he talks,

1038
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: you listen. He doesn't talk much. Used to he used

1039
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: to hiss when he wanted the ball. When he started hissing,

1040
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: you better give him the ball or or make it

1041
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: or he's gonna you know, I mean, stare a fucking

1042
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: hole through your body. But dude, just work hard, man.

1043
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: His work ethic to me was second to none. You

1044
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,919
Speaker 1: were a part of another iconic team in La Lop

1045
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: City years of the Clippers was special. I remember when

1046
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: Tiger Redd Rock City. Yeah, that was we took La

1047
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: by story. It was dope because obviously, you know, I'd

1048
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: come literally come right from the Lakers, you know what

1049
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: I mean, so to see and you were you were

1050
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: a starter on that team for most of that run.

1051
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 1: I mean you were very important. I tell people like,

1052
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: I won the championship with Golden State and played with

1053
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 1: rock Stars over there, but there's nothing in the world

1054
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: like being the Laker. So when I went down the

1055
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 1: hallway to become a Clipper, it was just, you know,

1056
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 1: a team that historically had been just terrible got awful,

1057
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: even though it's in the same building, same city. Terrible.

1058
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: And they had had you know, rays of hope every

1059
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: once in a while with d Miles and Q. And

1060
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 1: then when they first came in out brand you know

1061
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: the Sam Pacel Patino run they had, but Tim Thomas. Yeah,

1062
00:48:56,280 --> 00:49:01,760
Speaker 1: that Lop City team just captured know the NBA by storm.

1063
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: You know, we won our first the Clippers first ever

1064
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 1: pred Division title. We were beating the breaks off the

1065
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:10,800
Speaker 1: by like record numbers, Like we were beating the Lakers

1066
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: by plus thirty. Oh no, it was crazy. It was crazy,

1067
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: and you guys were stacked. I mean we were d

1068
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 1: Like my first year, I think our started lineup with CP, JJ, Kuran, Butler, Blake,

1069
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: and DJ and then off the bench they had Eric Bledsoe,

1070
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: Jamal Crawford, me lamar Odom, Jesus Ronnie Terry Off. No,

1071
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:37,959
Speaker 1: I'm forgetting some people like I don't even remember lamar

1072
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,720
Speaker 1: Odom being back on the Clippers. I don't even remember

1073
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: that Grant Hill on that team. I remember Grant. I

1074
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: remember Grant. I remember we were like Sports Illustrated voted

1075
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: us the best bench. So they did like a big

1076
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: old spread on our team, and I'm like, yeah, we

1077
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,399
Speaker 1: used to give our starters work in practice, like for real.

1078
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 1: But no, that team was city was crazy. Help me

1079
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:00,320
Speaker 1: understand as a Suns fan, who has to root for

1080
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 1: Chris Paul? He said, who has Christmas? No? I mean,

1081
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 1: Chris Paul is one of the greatest point guards of

1082
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 1: all time, and I was ecstatic when we got him.

1083
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 1: But that being said, the last couple of years have

1084
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: been like just the absolute biggest disappointment of my life,

1085
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: of my life, all forms of my life, personal relationship, family,

1086
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 1: the Suns. So they went to the finals, They went

1087
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: to the finals, were up two oh to the Bucks,

1088
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 1: gave that back real quick, and then they lost to

1089
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: Dallas and then then we lost. We got destroyed. We

1090
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:38,399
Speaker 1: got absolutely embarrassed by the Mavericks. Shortly after, Alvarado gave

1091
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: us some work in that first round series against the Pelicans.

1092
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 1: But give me like the Chris Paul thing. Because I

1093
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 1: have friends that are close to the son's team and

1094
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 1: you played with them. We always hear about him and

1095
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,359
Speaker 1: Blake didn't necessarily get along. Like what do you think

1096
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:59,720
Speaker 1: it is about CP that seems to be it? He

1097
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: cause he goes to teams and they get good right away.

1098
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: I mean he took that team, the thunder team that okay,

1099
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: see team that was crazy. I think Chris is a

1100
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 1: throwback point guard from a standpoint, and he's not going

1101
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 1: to tell you what you want to hear. He's going

1102
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 1: to tell you what you need to hear. And I

1103
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: think sometimes his delivery is off, but what he's saying

1104
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:22,359
Speaker 1: nine times out of ten is right. It's a delivery thing,

1105
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: his delivery. But again, he's one of them, like you know,

1106
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,320
Speaker 1: not it wouldn't even be so much cussing. It would

1107
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: just be like he's talking. Chris is a talker, you

1108
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So he's always going to kind

1109
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:33,320
Speaker 1: of tell you he's a quarterback. He's always going to

1110
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 1: kind of tell you what he wants, what DC is,

1111
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,360
Speaker 1: what he needs like all that shit, and me being

1112
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: you know, I'm you know, I was always older than him,

1113
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: but just from a era where you can you know,

1114
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 1: you can yell at me. I have to yell back

1115
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: at you. I will, but you know I'm out here.

1116
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 1: I'm with you, bro. And I just think the disconnect

1117
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 1: sometimes with CP and younger players is just his delivery

1118
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 1: because young players have been kind of so coddled in

1119
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,919
Speaker 1: this new era where you know, you say something wrong,

1120
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: some of these motherfuckers that get you fired. Oh it's

1121
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: we're in the middle of this cancel culture shit. So

1122
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 1: it's just like, you know, these younger players have been

1123
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: given so much so fast, and I say they're not talented,

1124
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: They've just been given a lot fast. So it's just

1125
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 1: like when someone who's kind of a throwback personality like

1126
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: is barking at you, some motherfuckers don't like it. And

1127
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 1: Blake Griffin wasn't a fan. Yeah, I just yeah, I

1128
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 1: just think, yeah, I can't say they weren't. I mean

1129
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: when we were on, we were on. I think I

1130
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 1: think you guys are one of the prime examples of

1131
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,320
Speaker 1: like people forget the injuries that happened in your guys'

1132
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 1: playoff runs, getting hurt, blatting, hurt, there was like just

1133
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 1: some timely injuries that were just like again like it

1134
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,720
Speaker 1: almost like the basketball gods are like, no, you're the Clippers,

1135
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 1: go fuck yourself crazy that I mean to me because

1136
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:47,839
Speaker 1: there was a year you guys beat the Spurs. Year. Yeah,

1137
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 1: there's two there to me through those two years where

1138
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 1: you know, we were a top two or three team

1139
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,759
Speaker 1: in the NBA. Hands down, we just couldn't get out

1140
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 1: of our own ways. Hey, we got to stop the

1141
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Speaker 1: out to our family in Vegas. I'm excited too, because

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Speaker 1: coming up we're going to be doing our very first

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Speaker 1: podcast from Hardin in Vegas with Young Gravy. Oh yeah,

1163
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,320
Speaker 1: it's going down all right, let's get back to the interview.

1164
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: Yeah it's kind of crazy man. Yeah yeah. Shout out

1165
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 1: to CP. Yeah, where do you want to take all

1166
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 1: the smoke? Because you guys have done so much in

1167
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 1: such a little amount of time. I feel like you

1168
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:28,240
Speaker 1: guys have really put a stake as just the premiere

1169
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 1: basketball podcast. You know, I think you guys do it.

1170
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: In my opinion, you guys are the best. Appreciate that, man,

1171
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 1: Thank you first and foremost. Continue to inspire, you know

1172
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 1: what I mean. I want people to know that like

1173
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: we could tell our own stories now, you know, similar

1174
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: to what you're doing and how you are inspiring people

1175
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 1: in your space, like other people have always told our stories,

1176
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: and now the fact that we can tell our stories

1177
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 1: and articulate, you know, how we really feel and what's

1178
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 1: going on, instead of happening to hear from someone else,

1179
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 1: you could hear from us. So first and foremost we

1180
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 1: want to continue to do that. But then just you know,

1181
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,200
Speaker 1: create great content. You know, I think that you know

1182
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: the secret to our successes. Like that's really my brother,

1183
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 1: I mean, so, like we talk real shit to each

1184
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:08,839
Speaker 1: other and say shit to each other that other people can't,

1185
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So we always keep it

1186
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,759
Speaker 1: light and always joking on each other. You know, when

1187
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 1: you come to All the Smoke, you know, when you

1188
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 1: get there, we're most likely smoking, listening to music, eating

1189
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,840
Speaker 1: good food, taking shots, you know, I mean, like kickback.

1190
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: So we wanted just to create a really cool environment

1191
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:26,879
Speaker 1: when you come fuck with us, that you just feel

1192
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 1: comfortable enough to kind of let your guard down, you

1193
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So I think that's what we've

1194
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 1: been able to create with All the Smoke, where you know,

1195
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 1: the people say all the time, like man I've never

1196
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:37,359
Speaker 1: told nobody this, You're like, damn, they feel comfortable enough

1197
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:39,399
Speaker 1: to time. It kind of reminds me of like the

1198
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 1: athlete version of like Drink Champs, because people go in

1199
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 1: there like, Yo, Norieg is our guy, We've known him

1200
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 1: for twenty years. Everyone's having fun, like you kind of

1201
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: let your guard down because you're in a trusted yeah environment,

1202
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 1: you know, you know, you know, they know we're not

1203
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 1: trying to do We don't want to go viral for

1204
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 1: the wrong reason, you know what I mean. Like, my

1205
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 1: whole goal is always just to humanize our guests, like

1206
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,280
Speaker 1: we know why Steph and KD and Kobe were great,

1207
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 1: and Shannon Sharp and Snoop were great, Like what are

1208
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,839
Speaker 1: they like doing other ship? How did they become who

1209
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: they became? So I always just want to show people

1210
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,000
Speaker 1: the other side of you know, some of your favorite people,

1211
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 1: and you know, we've you know, we found lightning in

1212
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 1: a bottle with this with this show, you know, So

1213
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 1: I just you know, I think, just think the evolution.

1214
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:18,439
Speaker 1: I just we just started season four and I told

1215
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,240
Speaker 1: our team, like, you know, we got to continue to elevate,

1216
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 1: So we just did our We did a live show

1217
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 1: in December with Magic Johnson at the Beverly Hill and

1218
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: shout Out the Beverly Hilton. So we did a live

1219
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:30,759
Speaker 1: show with a live audience. So that'll be dropping I

1220
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 1: think next week, which is dope. But I just think

1221
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: live shows being on linear television as well as YouTube

1222
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,919
Speaker 1: getting on that real Showtime platform and and and really

1223
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 1: kind of continuing to just spread our wings. Man. It's

1224
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,359
Speaker 1: been fun, Like, you know, Showtime, A big shout out

1225
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:49,840
Speaker 1: to Showtime and Malcolksh's kind of their in house production.

1226
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 1: They just allowed me to create a lot of other

1227
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: and do a lot of other things outside of doing

1228
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 1: all the smoke. You know, They've they've allowed me to

1229
00:56:56,000 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 1: bring talent in creating shows, producing show Like I'm doing

1230
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 1: a bunch of different things about that umbrella. So I

1231
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 1: think it's obviously very beneficial for both of us. So

1232
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,759
Speaker 1: it's been fun. Yeah. Do you feel like because you

1233
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 1: have a documentary coming out about your life? Right? No,

1234
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: So we did. It was just a short a thing

1235
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 1: called Revolution that just dropped on Apple, Amazon, all those

1236
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: kind of things, and it was just kind of a

1237
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 1: snibit of you know, life after basketball what I was

1238
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: kind of doing at the time. I was bored right

1239
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 1: when I retired because I didn't really know what I

1240
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 1: wanted to do next. So we kind of just started

1241
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 1: filming my activism and uh, you know, my street activism,

1242
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 1: you know, my cannabis activism, fatherhood, like just what life

1243
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 1: was like as I was transitioning from the NBA. So

1244
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 1: we started shooting that like a five years ago. We

1245
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 1: kind of just wrapped a bow on it and put

1246
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 1: it out. So it was just a kind of a

1247
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:45,479
Speaker 1: snibit of what's going on in my life, like speak

1248
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 1: on the cannabis activism front, because obviously, man, in this country,

1249
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 1: there's still a lot of people who are incarcerated for

1250
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: for some for weed, you know what I'm saying. And uh,

1251
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 1: you know, obviously sometimes we live in California, and I

1252
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: think sometimes we forget that not everywhere is like here.

1253
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 1: There's still a serious amount of states that you can't

1254
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 1: even get medicinal weed in and it's you know, it's

1255
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of fucked up, you know, and what

1256
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 1: what are you doing in that space? You know? I

1257
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Speaker 1: have the cannabis company that I'm a part owner of

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Speaker 1: of Seven Leaves up in Sack and we just we

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Speaker 1: were we have a big grow out there, so we

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00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 1: distribute to you know, pre pretty much all over California

1261
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 1: with that. I'm a part of uh Chris Weber's got

1262
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 1: uh something called Players Only. He's got you know, he's

1263
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 1: got a couple hundred million in cannabis funding that he's

1264
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 1: been doing some different players with. So I'm doing some

1265
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 1: stuff over there, you know. But I really, to be

1266
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 1: honest with you, I haven't done a ton lately because

1267
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 1: I've been so busy doing media. Like when I first

1268
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 1: came out of the NBA, like cannabis is everything in

1269
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: my advocacy, you know, flying out to New York and

1270
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 1: talking to the nv p A and the NBA about

1271
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 1: you know, not testing these guys, and like I was

1272
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 1: really trying to let people know like this plant can help,

1273
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 1: and at the time knowing who smoked and like, you know,

1274
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 1: if the world ever knew that knock on wood and

1275
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 1: he's announcing now that you know, Kevin Durant is you know,

1276
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 1: listening to medicaid and it was just like they would

1277
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 1: lose their mind. I've blown down the biggest Phoenix sun

1278
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 1: of the last twenty years. Pause no, fifteen. I will

1279
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 1: tell you who it is. But yeah, yeah, Steve nashould

1280
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Speaker 1: be twenty so yeah. Yeah. So it's just like, you know,

1281
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:26,520
Speaker 1: everybody's using it. So my advocacy was really heavy on

1282
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 1: the social the social impact side, where you know, we're

1283
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 1: trying to have you know, black and brown people have

1284
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 1: more access to me in lives to to get those licenses.

1285
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 1: But it just became so corporate and unfortunately, you know,

1286
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 1: dominated by white folks just like everyone else. But you know,

1287
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 1: you know, the industry is it's just so saturated now,

1288
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 1: it's super saturated. The wead game is so saturated. Everyone

1289
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 1: has a fucking strain and a lot of all the

1290
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 1: strands are recycled and it's just your shit is just

1291
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 1: white labeled with some some other ship. It's put in

1292
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 1: a different bag. It is kind of crazy. It feels

1293
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 1: like it does feel like the weed game is kind

1294
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 1: of because I'm pretty involved a lot in the weed

1295
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 1: industry as well, and you know, there's so many like

1296
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 1: if you go to dispensary, there's a lot of that

1297
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 1: week that's in the same like three or four bags,

1298
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 1: you know that. And then I mean I remember, like

1299
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 1: I've always been carrying weed, you know, not to just

1300
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 1: luckily I've been good, but before it was legal, or

1301
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 1: I'd always because I would always take away when we

1302
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 1: travel because you couldn't find good weed in other cities.

1303
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 1: I mean, now you're you go to your fine, you

1304
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 1: just find a dispenser. You're gonna find something good, something decent. Yeah,

1305
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 1: so it's just like it it's out there. So it's

1306
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 1: just it. It got saturated. But you know me, I

1307
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 1: just stay in my lane, smoke my seven leads. That's

1308
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 1: all over. You are somebody who, obviously, congratulations you just

1309
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:49,960
Speaker 1: got engaged to your lady, which is amazing. You've always

1310
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 1: been somebody who's been on the forefront of letting everybody

1311
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 1: know being a good follower is a good thing to

1312
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 1: show off because I feel like you're you're you're you're

1313
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 1: you're a great father man man. But you also kind

1314
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 1: of had an era of your personal life on TV,

1315
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 1: which you know, I'm sure there's pluses and there there's

1316
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:11,400
Speaker 1: gifts and curses of that, but like, is that something

1317
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 1: that was like because you know, we all we all

1318
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 1: think about the Derek Fisher thing and all that. We

1319
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 1: won't get into that, but like, was that something that

1320
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 1: you kind of went through for this new relationship to

1321
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 1: kind of kind of keep something well you you learn

1322
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 1: on the fly, you know what I mean. It's it's uh,

1323
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 1: you know, reality TV it was kind of new back then.

1324
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:34,320
Speaker 1: It was very new. You know, there's there's Flavor of

1325
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 1: Love and maybe one O the Real World and then yeah,

1326
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 1: but you guys were the first. I feel like you

1327
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Speaker 1: guys were like the first stuff that lane, like the

1328
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 1: basketball wise you know, franchise was was was new and

1329
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 1: it was crazy because my ex wife and I at

1330
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 1: the time, you know, just had twins. I just moved

1331
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 1: to Phoenix. I was just that first year, like was

1332
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 1: that eight Yeah, And I remember my girl starts asking me, like,

1333
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 1: you know, Sean Shack's wife, you know, she's going to

1334
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:03,200
Speaker 1: start the show and it's going to be us, you know,

1335
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 1: raising our families and stepping outside of your shadows and

1336
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:10,320
Speaker 1: doing charitable work. Just like, nah, we don't need that. Yeah,

1337
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 1: Like we're rich. We got you know, we got two babies,

1338
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 1: we got two brand new babies. You know, we just

1339
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 1: got to a new team. Let's just let's just so

1340
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 1: we went back and forth for months and it was

1341
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 1: just a no, no, no, And then they got shock

1342
01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 1: on me, and Shock kept pressuring me, pressuring me and

1343
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 1: pressure me and pressuring me, and finally I just said,

1344
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 1: fuck it, all right, let's do it. And you know,

1345
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 1: the one positive from it was it opened the door

1346
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 1: to you know, this content space for me during that

1347
01:02:38,280 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 1: time and just kind of understanding seeing like, Okay, this

1348
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Speaker 1: is how this this shit is made. But you know,

1349
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 1: it's not hard to make quality stuff and said that's

1350
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 1: not quality, but that's just not my taste stuff. But

1351
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:49,480
Speaker 1: like I can really get in this space and start creating.

1352
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:53,080
Speaker 1: So it kind of opened my eyes to that back then.

1353
01:02:53,120 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 1: But then it also crossed me over somewhat to a

1354
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:58,520
Speaker 1: different audience for sure, you know what I mean, Like

1355
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 1: that basketball wise, I get sometimes women women will see

1356
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 1: me in the mall or somewhere like you're the guy

1357
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 1: from Basketball Wives, aren't you. I'll be like, yeah, you

1358
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So it's just like it kind

1359
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 1: of is what it is, but again a learning experience.

1360
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 1: But just realize at that point, once we had opened

1361
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 1: our personal life up to the world, that it would

1362
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 1: never close again. We opened that book and you know,

1363
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 1: my ex and I we went through some shit and

1364
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 1: you know, we ended up divorcing and twenty fifteen and

1365
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 1: you know, twenty sixteen, it's finalized and you know, the

1366
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 1: fish shit happened and then you know, me and him

1367
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:36,120
Speaker 1: made up and you know, now we're co parenting, But

1368
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Speaker 1: it was it took a long time to get to

1369
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 1: that point. Yeah, I was gonna say, I think for

1370
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 1: anybody who's watching this who's gone through like a breakup,

1371
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 1: like what if you man co parenting to and being

1372
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 1: mature about it, it took takes a while to get

1373
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 1: to that point, right, man, absolutely, because sometimes you know,

1374
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 1: the kids are used, you know, weaponized against you, and

1375
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 1: it's it's it's tough, you know what I mean. But

1376
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Speaker 1: it's just I think at the end of the day,

1377
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:01,800
Speaker 1: you know, you have to realize that it's bigger than

1378
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:03,600
Speaker 1: the parents. After that, you know, if you guys have

1379
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:07,400
Speaker 1: decided to really be apart, it's bigger than y'all. And

1380
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 1: you know, the kids didn't ask to be brought into

1381
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:12,440
Speaker 1: the situation, so you got to you know, and it's

1382
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 1: so common now unfortunately blended families or or you know,

1383
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 1: fathers or motherless home. So learning the co parent you know,

1384
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 1: has taken a long time, and you're you're always learning

1385
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 1: to be honest with you but you know, the goal

1386
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 1: is to you know, be on the same page as

1387
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 1: much as you can with your ex, you know, for

1388
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 1: the sake of the kids in it. Again, it took

1389
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 1: us a long time to get there, you know, but

1390
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:37,520
Speaker 1: we're finally there, and I it's just, you know, the

1391
01:04:37,520 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 1: boys are thirteen now. When we split, they were ship

1392
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 1: That's pretty crazy because I just remember seeing your kids

1393
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Speaker 1: on TV and that, like the fact that they're that

1394
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 1: old now is like fun. They just turned fourteen. It

1395
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like that was that long ago. Got mustaches,

1396
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 1: telling my girls and all kinds of shit like that.

1397
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 1: I feel like they were just babies. What are they

1398
01:04:55,160 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 1: like playing video games? Are they video games? Basketball? Girls? Shoot?

1399
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Speaker 1: Do they do the anime thing? A lot of kids

1400
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Speaker 1: are an anime. They have their own podcast called the

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1403
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Speaker 1: production tips. So I started everything and then I took

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1405
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1408
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Speaker 1: it's dope. So they're into that. They love basketball now

1409
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Speaker 1: and then in video games, so it's you know, and

1410
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Speaker 1: then I had a four year I have a four

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Speaker 1: That's why I have my fiance. And then we have

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Speaker 1: son that's nine. So we bro we got Christmas is active?

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Speaker 1: Oh fuck, every day is fucking active? What Christmas? So

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Speaker 1: back to the interview. Oh my goodness, Yo, there was

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Speaker 1: does not flinch. Talk talk to me about that game

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Speaker 1: I don't care how tough you are. You flinch, Yeah, fu,

1465
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:16,280
Speaker 1: how tough you are. Everybody flinch is in that moment.

1466
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:19,360
Speaker 1: First of all, I didn't realize how close it was

1467
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 1: to his face, but I just thought what I've always thought,

1468
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 1: he's a cold motherfucker. I like. So, I met Kobe

1469
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 1: in ninety eight. So he came to the Lakers in

1470
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:30,000
Speaker 1: ninety six. I got to UCLA in ninety eight, and

1471
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:32,040
Speaker 1: he was young, and so you know, well, document it's

1472
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:33,800
Speaker 1: kind of an outcast on that team when he'll be younger.

1473
01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:35,639
Speaker 1: So he used to be on our campus all the time,

1474
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:40,439
Speaker 1: like eating, chilling, talking to people, working out, playing, picking up.

1475
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:42,720
Speaker 1: So I you know, I've known Kobe on just to

1476
01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:46,280
Speaker 1: what's up level since I was eighteen years old, you know,

1477
01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:47,840
Speaker 1: and once I got in the league, it was just

1478
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:50,160
Speaker 1: always I knew when I was at UCLA he used

1479
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:52,120
Speaker 1: to sneak back into Polly and work out. I'm just like, yeah,

1480
01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:54,320
Speaker 1: this motherfucker is gonna be him. Remember one time when

1481
01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:55,920
Speaker 1: he had a broken right hand, he would do a

1482
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 1: whole work I left handed, the whole thing like he

1483
01:08:58,080 --> 01:09:01,320
Speaker 1: was a left It was incredible. I'm just like, so,

1484
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:03,040
Speaker 1: you know, got a chance to play with them. They

1485
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:04,519
Speaker 1: were just always mutual respect, you know what I mean.

1486
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 1: He plays hard, I play hard. So we get to

1487
01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:09,680
Speaker 1: that situation with the Magic and Lakers. They had just

1488
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:12,280
Speaker 1: played in the finals the year before, yep. So that

1489
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:15,160
Speaker 1: following year, it was like March getting close to the playoffs,

1490
01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:17,680
Speaker 1: and you know, we're both both sides looking good, so

1491
01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, like, hey, we're gonna play these motherfuckers and finals.

1492
01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 1: So it was just a back and forth game and

1493
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 1: and and you know, guys that played against Cob would

1494
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:27,160
Speaker 1: tell you like, not only is he a killer, but

1495
01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:31,240
Speaker 1: he's like he tries to mentally bully you and intimidate

1496
01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:33,080
Speaker 1: you too. So he does all the sneak ship with

1497
01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:37,240
Speaker 1: the elbows and sports and held me and my sternaman

1498
01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:38,760
Speaker 1: and knocked the wind out of me that game, Like

1499
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:40,479
Speaker 1: I caught a lot like he tried to. He was

1500
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 1: guarding me, and he tried to block the white shot

1501
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 1: from helpside and it came off the grim perfect and

1502
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 1: I caught a dunk tip and thats all was coming

1503
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:48,280
Speaker 1: off with her, and this motherfucker eld with me from

1504
01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:51,640
Speaker 1: like my my growing area to my chest and right

1505
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:53,519
Speaker 1: underneath my chin and the rest right there. I'm like, you,

1506
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:56,040
Speaker 1: bitch ass motherfucker, You're not gonna call nothing, huh like.

1507
01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:58,720
Speaker 1: So I just got to the point where I was

1508
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:02,439
Speaker 1: gonna fight him. It was dope. We talked about it

1509
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:06,600
Speaker 1: on my podcast. He wasn't budget. I wasn't budget. But

1510
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:08,599
Speaker 1: long story short, we end up beating them that game.

1511
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:11,280
Speaker 1: They go to finals, beat Boston. We lose to Boston

1512
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:14,040
Speaker 1: in the Eastern Finals. Lakers beat Boston in the finals,

1513
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:16,639
Speaker 1: and then are you on the Lakers the next year?

1514
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:20,840
Speaker 1: I'm a free agent the next that summer and the

1515
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:24,120
Speaker 1: ship with Orlando fell through. So I was actually in

1516
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:26,800
Speaker 1: tossed with pat Riley to go to the Heat and

1517
01:10:26,920 --> 01:10:28,559
Speaker 1: he's kind of telling me what's coming to the Heat.

1518
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:31,200
Speaker 1: And that's when Bron and Chris Bosh and that's what

1519
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:33,439
Speaker 1: he was telling me. Who are the crunch time lineup?

1520
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:35,920
Speaker 1: But be and you know he said it would be

1521
01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:39,719
Speaker 1: you know me, Mike Miller, d Way, Bron and Bosh

1522
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:42,280
Speaker 1: at im just like, yeah, all of us, six eight,

1523
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 1: all of us do everything that could. And then out

1524
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:46,360
Speaker 1: of the blue, I get a call on my phone

1525
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 1: from my number I don't have saved, and I really

1526
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:49,880
Speaker 1: don't answer my phone anyway. For some reason, I just

1527
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 1: answered it and it was cold. Yeah, Hello, Yeah, what's

1528
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:56,840
Speaker 1: going on? Its cold? I'm like, yeah, fuck, who is this? Yeah,

1529
01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:58,600
Speaker 1: that's me. I got your number form So so I

1530
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:01,960
Speaker 1: was like, oh, Okay, what's happening. Who's you gonna do

1531
01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:05,680
Speaker 1: next year? I don't know what you're talking about. He's like,

1532
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:07,560
Speaker 1: you know, we just start going back and forth, and

1533
01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:09,720
Speaker 1: just like any anybody crazy enough to fuck with me,

1534
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:11,800
Speaker 1: it's crazy enough to play with me. Do you want

1535
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:15,640
Speaker 1: to be a Laker? I'm like, hey, motherfucking yeah. So,

1536
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 1: like three or four days after that, I was a Laker.

1537
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 1: Do you ever think back to like what would have

1538
01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:23,200
Speaker 1: happened if you went to the Heat? Oh? Man, I

1539
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:26,280
Speaker 1: would have won too, Champ maybe three maybe three? Maybe

1540
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:28,599
Speaker 1: you would have been the difference against the Mavericks. Oh yeah,

1541
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:31,080
Speaker 1: because I was someone who can you know, put some

1542
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:34,760
Speaker 1: miles on dart Man. Yeah, never know. Yeah, I mean

1543
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:36,840
Speaker 1: it's always but to me, it's you know, to get

1544
01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:38,639
Speaker 1: a chance to play, like I grew up a Laker fan.

1545
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 1: Yeah of course. Now help me out here. So you

1546
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:43,360
Speaker 1: go to the Lakers. Is this around the time Dwight

1547
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:46,479
Speaker 1: and Steve Nashville? This is I'm in the Clippers by then? Okay,

1548
01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:48,920
Speaker 1: okay that makes sense. Yeah, okay, okay, come there. Yeah,

1549
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:52,160
Speaker 1: and you know that unfortunately that situation didn't work out

1550
01:11:52,200 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 1: for them. You played with Dwight and I feel like,

1551
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:55,920
Speaker 1: like you were saying earlier, I feel like Dwight somehow

1552
01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:57,719
Speaker 1: does not get a fair shake when we think about

1553
01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 1: the best baby with oh Man, when he was with

1554
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:03,360
Speaker 1: the Magic, Like we're talking about like all NBA leading

1555
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:08,600
Speaker 1: every All Star Game. I mean they went to the finals,

1556
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:12,679
Speaker 1: like Dwight beat lebron in the finals with the Eastern Finals.

1557
01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:14,519
Speaker 1: Dwight in the Eastern Finals, That's what I mean. Yeah,

1558
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:19,120
Speaker 1: but the most disrespect ever from someone who was a

1559
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:22,000
Speaker 1: factor on a Lakers championship team a few years ago,

1560
01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:24,600
Speaker 1: like a couple of years ago, Like, yeah, yeah, it

1561
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:26,800
Speaker 1: was incredible. What Dwhight does. He just rushed back from

1562
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:29,599
Speaker 1: his back surgery, you know what I mean, he something

1563
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:31,000
Speaker 1: that was supposed to take a year. I think he

1564
01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:33,920
Speaker 1: was back moving around in you know, four or five months.

1565
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:36,559
Speaker 1: He wanted, you know, to prove itself. Was so bad

1566
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:38,920
Speaker 1: to the Laker fans, and he was never the same

1567
01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 1: you know, the Dwhite I used to played to play for.

1568
01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:43,400
Speaker 1: I never felt more comfortable playing defense than I knew

1569
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:45,080
Speaker 1: when Dwight I was behind me because he was someone

1570
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:47,760
Speaker 1: that would lay you out or he can jump to

1571
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:51,000
Speaker 1: the top of the backboard and block the shot and

1572
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:54,120
Speaker 1: he was just so fucking strong too. So yeah, D

1573
01:12:54,160 --> 01:12:56,400
Speaker 1: White was a box. Uh, you're obviously a big hip

1574
01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:58,640
Speaker 1: hop guy. Give me your top five favorite albums of

1575
01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:03,120
Speaker 1: all time? I don't. I won't go. Let me go people, Okay,

1576
01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:05,880
Speaker 1: give me your top five because you got Tupac on

1577
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:08,040
Speaker 1: your hand. Yeah, I got Tupac and Nipsey on my hand.

1578
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:11,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take Tupac and and and Biggie out of it. Okay,

1579
01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:13,240
Speaker 1: that's fair. Me. Those are my two all time favorites

1580
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:15,200
Speaker 1: outside of that and that's and and anybody can say

1581
01:13:15,240 --> 01:13:16,800
Speaker 1: those two who do I listen to the most. I

1582
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:22,760
Speaker 1: listened to jay Z, I listened to to Wayne, I

1583
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:29,200
Speaker 1: listened to Drake, I listened to Nipsy. It's my fifth

1584
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:32,479
Speaker 1: gonna be it's probably gonna be a tie between like

1585
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 1: Rick Ross and Snoop. That's fair, that's fair. Yeah, that's

1586
01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 1: not a bad five. What you funk with any of

1587
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:42,160
Speaker 1: the younger ship because obviously there's my kids like I

1588
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:44,600
Speaker 1: like Little Baby. I saw that there was a little there.

1589
01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:46,400
Speaker 1: Let me ask you, because you're a hip hop here,

1590
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:48,760
Speaker 1: there was a debate. Obviously I know where I stand,

1591
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:51,000
Speaker 1: but they said, uh, a little Wayne or Little Baby thing.

1592
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:52,800
Speaker 1: It's a little Wayne. I don't even think it's close.

1593
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:56,000
Speaker 1: It's not even close. It's like, like, let's relax, a

1594
01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:58,200
Speaker 1: relax with all due respects, with all due respect. I

1595
01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:00,639
Speaker 1: love Little Baby and I love My Turn a great album.

1596
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 1: Everyone needs to fucking relax. Everyone needs to relax. I

1597
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:08,760
Speaker 1: saw that tweet going viral. I'm like, guys, everyone needs

1598
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 1: to fucking relaxed for I didn't even comment on it,

1599
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:13,519
Speaker 1: just because I knew that and I'm very and I'm

1600
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:16,759
Speaker 1: very critical of a little Wayne. Everyone needs the fucking relax.

1601
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:21,280
Speaker 1: They're not in the same fucking conversation. Yeah, people, These

1602
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 1: Twitter people are fucking insane. I'll just be staying in

1603
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:26,640
Speaker 1: my like I said, if I hear it out and

1604
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:29,080
Speaker 1: about or you know, in the in the content space

1605
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 1: out here and my kids are telling me about it,

1606
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:32,120
Speaker 1: but most of the time I'll be staying in my

1607
01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:34,120
Speaker 1: own you know. I mean, the the people I listed,

1608
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:37,519
Speaker 1: I'd be kind of staying to them, Like heavy on Nip, Huge,

1609
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:39,479
Speaker 1: just huge fan of Nip. Got a chance to meet

1610
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:42,479
Speaker 1: Nip when man. When I first came to the Lakers

1611
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:45,320
Speaker 1: sold in two thousand and my brothers always put me

1612
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:48,720
Speaker 1: on music. It was like you forty always at these

1613
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:51,120
Speaker 1: Warriors games, there was this something that Okay, you know

1614
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:53,400
Speaker 1: he was loyal. I love Forty. That's my guy. He

1615
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:55,080
Speaker 1: was loyal to the soil. I just want to make

1616
01:14:55,080 --> 01:14:57,080
Speaker 1: sure he's keeping that energy because him and I argue

1617
01:14:57,120 --> 01:14:59,400
Speaker 1: all the time about sports. He's always from. He was

1618
01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:02,320
Speaker 1: always from. That's the one thing about the Bay not

1619
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:04,840
Speaker 1: to change subject. That was always dope was the Bay

1620
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:08,240
Speaker 1: always show love like the like that we believe team

1621
01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:10,600
Speaker 1: we made history, but they had been bulleted. But it

1622
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:13,080
Speaker 1: always the fans were always crazy. It always smelled like

1623
01:15:13,120 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 1: weed and oracle like the Bay was. That was such

1624
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:17,840
Speaker 1: a crazy uh just it was what was it you?

1625
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:21,879
Speaker 1: Michael Petrice, Baron Davis, They Rich, Stephen Jackson, Al Harrington,

1626
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:26,800
Speaker 1: Monte Ellis Beadrince b Drins that big tall mm hmm

1627
01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:30,479
Speaker 1: Germany from Lafia. He's from one of those fucking yeah

1628
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:33,479
Speaker 1: to drink his ass on boy. They used to call

1629
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:35,720
Speaker 1: him Goose because he was in the club with the

1630
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:38,759
Speaker 1: whole thing of Goose. When did you leave the Warriors

1631
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:42,320
Speaker 1: eight nine, two and two thousand and nine. I was

1632
01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:44,960
Speaker 1: there two thousand and six seven. Monte Alis was coming

1633
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:48,559
Speaker 1: off the bench on that team. When you say Monte

1634
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:52,320
Speaker 1: was the most improved player that year, I think in

1635
01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:54,800
Speaker 1: the NBA. But he rotated from he went back and

1636
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:56,720
Speaker 1: forth from starting coming off the bench. I started off.

1637
01:15:56,760 --> 01:15:59,160
Speaker 1: He was a bucket, man, Man was a killer. He

1638
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:01,240
Speaker 1: was a bucket. He was just a baby. But yeah,

1639
01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:04,400
Speaker 1: my table is nice. Me listen, man. I love the podcast.

1640
01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:06,280
Speaker 1: I love everything you're doing. I love watching you on TV.

1641
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:08,560
Speaker 1: You do a great job. I feel like, like we

1642
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:11,080
Speaker 1: were talking about earlier, Man, sometimes you'll see like people

1643
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:15,160
Speaker 1: who are on TV and they got there because you know,

1644
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:18,280
Speaker 1: just because you're the biggest day, don't mean you're great

1645
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:20,800
Speaker 1: at talking about shit on TV. Let's just say that.

1646
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:23,920
Speaker 1: I think we've realized that safe. Yeah, that's safe to say,

1647
01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:26,320
Speaker 1: but it's dope to see, you know. I feel like

1648
01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:30,920
Speaker 1: you've done a great job of turning turning your second

1649
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:35,519
Speaker 1: career into something that's that's on high integrity. And I

1650
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:37,640
Speaker 1: just I mean to me and I'm always me, like

1651
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:39,559
Speaker 1: JT said that one time and to me a residents

1652
01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:41,720
Speaker 1: so much like every room I'm rock in on me. Yep,

1653
01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:43,840
Speaker 1: you know, whether I'm at ESPN, I can't cuss as

1654
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:45,519
Speaker 1: much as I normally tut. I'm still gonna be me,

1655
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:47,880
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, I'm in every room, I walking

1656
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:50,360
Speaker 1: I'm walking into NBC doing the King shit, I'm walking

1657
01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:53,679
Speaker 1: into Showtime doing all the smoke. I'm doing stuff with ESPN,

1658
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:55,840
Speaker 1: I've done stuff with Fox. Like I'm just always me,

1659
01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:58,760
Speaker 1: and I think that's kind of allowed me to, first

1660
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:00,800
Speaker 1: of all, dispell any kind the notions you may have

1661
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:02,880
Speaker 1: had about me, like, yeah, he's a dog, he's this

1662
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:05,000
Speaker 1: is not just a competitor. And I like to fight.

1663
01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:06,840
Speaker 1: I don't like to fight when I'm over. But that's

1664
01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:08,160
Speaker 1: just who I was as a player, you know. But

1665
01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:10,000
Speaker 1: as a as a as a man, as a father,

1666
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:11,920
Speaker 1: as a business owner, as a as a as a

1667
01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:15,240
Speaker 1: as a mind, I'd like to say I kind of

1668
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:17,360
Speaker 1: got it together. So it's just we got to smoke out.

1669
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:21,160
Speaker 1: Stephen A. Yeah, he owes me to smoke out. Actually,

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Speaker 1: And I feel like Richard Jefferson could use some fucking

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Speaker 1: weed because he's he seems a little uptight. Listened him up?

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Speaker 1: Does r J smoking mass? I don't know you should

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Speaker 1: find out. Shout out to r J. You of a

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Speaker 1: even though I fuck with a su over u A.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, man, who he who oh weight on nine

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Speaker 1: on the Suns. That was Steve Nash, was that Robin

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Speaker 1: was that Robin Lopez, Robin Lopez, Grant Hill, Rajah Bell

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Speaker 1: That was the first year Shack was on the team,

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Speaker 1: right when we traded from so Yeah, Rajah Bell was

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Speaker 1: a dog too, was tough. Yeah, marche Stodamyer So that's

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Speaker 1: the year Maris State that almost got his eye poked out,

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Speaker 1: and the remember and didn't really play like half. We

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Speaker 1: had Terry Porter. Terry Porter's a new coach. Terry Port. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I was able to get fired at All Star breaks.

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Speaker 1: I remember that you fired after like not even I

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Speaker 1: remember that Terry Porter was a terrible coach. You know what? Okay,

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Speaker 1: did you play with Earl Watson at U c l A. Okay,

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Speaker 1: he coached our sons for a little bit, right. A

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Speaker 1: lot of people feel like he got a bad shake.

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Speaker 1: What do you think he did? I liked it and

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Speaker 1: and the and the players resonated with him too, because

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Speaker 1: I feel like they fired him like super quick and like, dude,

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Speaker 1: he inherited a ship show with Eric Bledsoe didn't want

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Speaker 1: to be there that it was Ryan McDonough was trash

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Speaker 1: and yeah, it was it was under some racial tension

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Speaker 1: that him went down with Sarvar. That's how he got fired.

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Speaker 1: Did you catch any of the racial tension ship because

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Speaker 1: you you played for Donald Sterling, right, Yeah, that I

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Speaker 1: was on that team. You were on that team and

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Speaker 1: the Warriors in the playoffs and that was crazy, crazy

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Speaker 1: Chris Paul has been on two of those teams now.

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Speaker 1: But when you played for the Suns for that short stint,

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01:18:57,680 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 1: did you notice any of that type of like work

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Speaker 1: environment or any of the No, because I wasn't you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean, I wasn't really mixing with him,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, you know, obviously on

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Speaker 1: the guys on the team, he's going to be cool

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Speaker 1: with around, He's going to be cool. He's always he's

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Speaker 1: trying to be cool, you know. So I never really

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Speaker 1: saw no smoke. I had just had a little bit

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Speaker 1: of smoke with him once I left, and he toak

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Speaker 1: some slictions me during the game and I told him

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Speaker 1: I slaped the shit out of him, and he told

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Speaker 1: him and I got fined. What was it like playing

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Speaker 1: with Steve though? Sharp mind, hard worker, tough, tough. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Nash was a beast. I just think that he he

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Speaker 1: just wasn't the right fit. I you know, I hope.

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Speaker 1: I think Steve can be a good coach in this league.

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Speaker 1: I just don't think that was the right The NETS

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Speaker 1: fit was right for him. But I mean, Steve is

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Speaker 1: a bright mind, and yeah, I feel like the NETS

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Speaker 1: thing is like you kind of you kind of don't

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Speaker 1: want to be a fellow Hall of Famer coaching the

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Speaker 1: other Hall of famers. If that makes it, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, we'll see. Man, would you ever get into

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Speaker 1: coaching thanks of too much time? Yeah? He probably make

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Speaker 1: more money doing your thing anyway, and got a lot

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Speaker 1: of respect. I coached my kids AU team, but that ship,

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Speaker 1: that's two time consumer. I just don't have time. There

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Speaker 1: it is, bro, We'll listen all the smoke new episodes?

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Speaker 1: Is it? How often you guys dropping a weekly every Thursday?

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Speaker 1: Every Thursday? Catch you on ESPN. If you pull into

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Speaker 1: a dispensary and you see seven leaves, buy an eighth? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Anything else coming? No? Right now, I'm just Barnes Boys Podcast,

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Speaker 1: Your sons check up. Barnes Boys Podcast continuing Season two

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Speaker 1: be out soon, Sit Man Boom, There it is Man,

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Speaker 1: Matt Barnes I appreciate your time. Brother, Yes, Sir boom

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Speaker 1: Ye