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Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm heart Radio podcast.

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Speaker 2: All right, it was a boy band night on the

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Speaker 2: mass singer all four group se contestants singing everybody but

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Speaker 2: Backstreet Boys. I gotta tell you, I was watching this

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Speaker 2: on the treadmill because obviously we get screeners before y'all

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Speaker 2: see it, and I was just having a good old

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Speaker 2: time in the gym singing all these songs.

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Speaker 1: It was so fun. I love boy bands.

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Speaker 3: He's singing out load, babe.

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Speaker 2: I was, who's your favorite boy band? Probably take that

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Speaker 2: that's a band? Yeah, okay, is this a British band? Okay,

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Speaker 2: that's why I have no clue. I was like, is

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Speaker 2: that a song?

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Speaker 3: Younger? Younger?

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Speaker 4: But then there was the My first introduction the boy

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Speaker 4: band was is it new kids on the Block?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 4: Yes, They're probably the best, most memorable ones for me

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Speaker 4: that I would listen to.

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Speaker 2: Well, first up to sing was Nessy and he's clearly

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Speaker 2: an artist. He's sang tearing up my Heart by and

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Speaker 2: sanc a goodie right there. He's obviously older because his

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Speaker 2: the stage clues that he dropped his ARP card, which

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Speaker 2: is hilarious.

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Speaker 3: It was an ARP cad.

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Speaker 1: It's like for old people.

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Speaker 3: I googled it's like a travel card thing.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I thought it was for old people like your

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Speaker 2: AARP Like, No, it's like all I thought I was

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Speaker 2: for old people.

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Speaker 1: So I thought, I was like, Okay, he's older.

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Speaker 2: He's like past his fifties. That's hilarious. Maybe that's something else.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe it is, but uh, Jenny Guest,

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Speaker 2: Darius Rucker Ken Pat Mahone Rita said Dave Matthews, I

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Speaker 2: honestly have no clue. I just know that he's was

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Speaker 2: back in the day, obviously a singer from all of that,

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Speaker 2: but I would I kind of was thinking like maybe

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Speaker 2: Darryl Hall. I definitely older.

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Speaker 3: We said they did a lot of love love songs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I was thinking maybe Brian Adams.

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Speaker 3: That's a good one.

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Speaker 1: Uh. And then I was thinking she.

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Speaker 3: Is such a recognized he does, I know.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know if he was, but I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It kind of sounds like Daryl Hall so but I

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Speaker 2: thought he was great. Next up was stud Man, a

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Speaker 2: stud muffin, and he sang Poisoned by Belle leave da

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Speaker 2: VOI again, I mean, he's a Grammy winner. There's just

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Speaker 2: no doubt in my mind that it's not method man.

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Speaker 2: But I loved his dance moves. Did you like that

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Speaker 2: was he broke it down? I was like yes, yeah.

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Speaker 4: So when you hear like gold chain brotherhood rapper, that's like,

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Speaker 4: where do you start actually try and guessless.

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Speaker 1: It's method man.

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Speaker 2: Moving on Yorkie. I love Yorkie so much. She just

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Speaker 2: puts a smile in my face. She sang step by step.

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Speaker 2: But New Kids on the Block that's my Also my

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Speaker 2: favorite back in the day boy band.

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Speaker 1: It was it was.

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Speaker 2: It was New Kids on the Block in sync Backstreet Boys,

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Speaker 2: nine d eight degrees and that. Having said that, Christmas

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Speaker 2: order is different. Christmas album, Christmas album nine day Degrees

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Speaker 2: has a bomb Christmas album from the very beginning.

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Speaker 1: Anyways.

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Speaker 3: Can you name a Yuk a Uk boyne from the

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Speaker 3: eighties on lateties?

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Speaker 1: No, not one.

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Speaker 3: I had the West Life.

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Speaker 1: Oh I love West Life.

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Speaker 5: The Savage Garden Is that one?

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Speaker 3: I think so? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because Savage Garden and West Life Simon Cole put

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Speaker 2: them together. I thought there were two thousands were the

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Speaker 2: Late Night That's a good one. Oh I have to

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Speaker 2: listen to that one. Okay, Oh that's a really West Life. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that was.

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Speaker 1: That was a goodie. My name is Yorkie.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 2: I think it's Erica Jane because of a few reasons.

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Speaker 2: I saw Teddy Mellencamp. She was watching and videoing watching it,

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Speaker 2: and so they've got a really close relationship. And then

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Speaker 2: I started just thinking about the clues and then the

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Speaker 2: singing voice, and I think it's Erica Jane, which would

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Speaker 2: be so cool.

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Speaker 3: So I was thinking Partis Hilton.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Rita has thought Harris, but then.

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Speaker 3: She said that she met was it. Now I've got

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Speaker 3: that wrong.

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Speaker 1: That's okay.

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Speaker 4: No, you met Partis Hilton at an event and said,

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Speaker 4: oh I was. She said that was on the mass

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Speaker 4: thing as she gets zero response, Oh that's funny.

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Speaker 3: But I still think it might be her.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: Last up to reform was the mad Scientist Monster met

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Speaker 2: his girlfriend at friendsgiving Grandfather Clock.

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Speaker 3: You must know this one.

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Speaker 2: I still think it's Ronnie Done, But there's a piece

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Speaker 2: of me that thinks maybe Scotti McCreary, because he's got

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Speaker 2: like that old school sounding voice. But I still just

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Speaker 2: think it's Ronnie Done in my heart of hearts, he

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Speaker 2: sounds a grind done. Having said that, a lot of

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Speaker 2: these younger dudes sound like some of those iconic older guys.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what's the one that you've been lessing to recently?

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Speaker 3: It sounds like Kilvis.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, exactly, So it's just you know, but yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's saying I swear by all for one, so good,

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Speaker 2: which also, ah, just makes me remind myself of the

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Speaker 2: of my other boy band. I liked it was all

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Speaker 2: it was well, obviously Boys to Men their boy band

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Speaker 2: it was like it has to be four and over,

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Speaker 2: but Boys to Men actually is before Backstreet Boys, So yeah,

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Speaker 2: InSync Boys to Men. There was another one though, All

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Speaker 2: for One. There was these guys that saying I swear

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Speaker 2: all for one. Oh there it is. Oh my gosh,

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Speaker 2: I'm so that's what that was. The band All for One.

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Speaker 4: Okay, guess is definitely not Tim McGraw, no recognizable.

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Speaker 2: Maybe Alan Jackson, but I still again think Ronnie.

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Speaker 3: D not Keith Hoben, No.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no.

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Speaker 2: Last Clue has a whole street named after him and

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Speaker 2: his crew. Stud Muffin is a method man. We called it,

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Speaker 2: we knew it, good old method man. Yeah, and unfortunately

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Speaker 2: we don't have method man.

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Speaker 1: Today.

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Speaker 2: But we have another icon another diva, Taylor Dane, one

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Speaker 2: of my fates. Tell it to my heart, I'll always

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Speaker 2: she's saying, prove your love. I mean, love will lead

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Speaker 2: you back. She's iconic. She appeared on season four as

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Speaker 2: popcorn was revealed in episode ten. She's gonna come and

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Speaker 2: tell us all things about her era and what she's

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Speaker 2: still up to. Hey, Hi, how are you doing very well? Well,

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Speaker 2: we'll just jump right into it. I'm a huge fan.

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Speaker 2: I'm like ginormous fan, and I was just going back

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Speaker 2: through your songs this morning, and I mean, Jess like

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Speaker 2: so good, so so good. It just brought me back

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Speaker 2: to some good old childhood memories. We would make up

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Speaker 2: dances in my basement with my girlfriends to your songs.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I understand, I do, and I appreciate that.

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Speaker 5: I love it. I love hearing stories like that. But

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Speaker 5: I mean, you know, thirty seven years so something.

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Speaker 2: Had some you know, well they're timeless, you know, as

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Speaker 2: I'm as I'm singing them now, I mean, they're just

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Speaker 2: they're timeless songs.

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Speaker 3: They've been on our head the whole morning.

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Speaker 4: So she played them and they don't My comment was,

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Speaker 4: they just don't make song iconic songs like that anymore.

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Speaker 3: I don't stick that, I think so No.

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Speaker 5: I think where we're just at now is because you know,

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Speaker 5: obviously you guys are a little bit younger, but like

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Speaker 5: I mean, I love some of the art, Like you know,

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Speaker 5: I was at the Grammy and I really feel like

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Speaker 5: they're some incredible artists are coming out and it's.

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Speaker 1: True, Like Billie Eilish, she's like she's.

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Speaker 5: Like, there's so many Yeah, chap Well goes on just

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Speaker 5: when it goes on and goes on, and I feel

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Speaker 5: like they're back to songwriting. You know, the song is

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Speaker 5: not just the pop world, and it's very classic, and

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Speaker 5: I know my records just did the test of time.

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Speaker 5: So that's just a lovely thing to be able to

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Speaker 5: sit here and chat about. But it's like it's very

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Speaker 5: you know, that's what I think they're writing some really

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Speaker 2: It is coming back around for sure, and I think

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Speaker 2: once we because there are songs I could probably I'd say,

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Speaker 2: ten years ago, I really couldn't tell you a song

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Speaker 2: that I think started the test of time. But now

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Speaker 2: I could go, yeah, okay, like some of the stuff

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Speaker 2: Benson's writing and yeah, I think for quite a while,

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Speaker 5: So, you know, there's just a lot of our Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I just feel like they're really you know, so I

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Speaker 5: cherish you know, the iconicness and and the as you say,

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Speaker 5: you know, classic songs like you know, having that my repertoire,

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Speaker 5: you know, and knowing that time where we just had records. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: so it's you know, we had vinyl put that's what

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Speaker 2: Well, I know, and that's that's a crazy thing too,

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Speaker 2: when talking, you know, music with my daughter, it's you know,

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Speaker 2: I still remember my first Janet Jackson tape you know,

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Speaker 5: Well, I think we all know what's versus today. You're

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Speaker 5: a mom, so I don't know when you were born,

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Speaker 5: but I can guarantee you didn't have a cell.

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Speaker 2: Phone eighty three. So no, definitely not until high school

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Speaker 5: It's great, not until high school. So what's changed so

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Speaker 5: much is there you know, the exposure, right, So that's

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Speaker 5: a great thing. But when I was making when I

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Speaker 5: I was already not just in the clubs, but already

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Speaker 5: doing record you know, contracts and record you know, doing

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Speaker 5: I recorded. You know, when I met Rick Wake who

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Speaker 5: was my partner, he was nineteen. I was twenty one,

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Speaker 5: and we just started recording singles. But he was already

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Speaker 1: I love that.

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Speaker 3: So it's like cornic era as well. The Ethees, wasn't it.

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Speaker 5: Oh for sure.

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Speaker 4: Do you have a help of it? What Top of

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Speaker 5: Course, but I did that TLC. This was not this.

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Speaker 5: This was Top of was. I did Top of the Pops.

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Speaker 5: whoever it was? You know? Remember, you know my girlfriend

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Speaker 4: Never a top of the pops such a big part

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Speaker 2: Right, I love that? So how fun was did you

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Speaker 2: have fun on mass Singer?

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Speaker 5: Oh my god? Imagine because I did it the year

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Speaker 5: what is it twice?

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Speaker 1: It was season four?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 5: you know, mask thing or starting up again. We're like,

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00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,560
Speaker 5: is that even possible? Like we didn't even understand, So yeah,

438
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:18,119
Speaker 5: we did. We did our COVID test daily. We It

439
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:22,200
Speaker 5: was a real in that was so wild beyond being

440
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 5: behind a mask, to be behind another mask yet it's.

441
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,840
Speaker 1: So so ridiculous if I can't it.

442
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:30,960
Speaker 5: Was a mask. We had a wear mask going in,

443
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,439
Speaker 5: but wear that mask set and then another mask on

444
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 5: a stage and then of course, you know, the segregation

445
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:39,960
Speaker 5: and not knowing who was. And it's so funny because

446
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 5: we all talked afterwards because obviously, you know, I knew

447
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:44,840
Speaker 5: Looney Ann, but they never crossed me up. And I

448
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 5: certainly Nick Carter. I was like my manager, Nick, she

449
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 5: was my business matager. She was like, have we thought

450
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 5: that was you? But I was like, well, no, Nick

451
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 5: was the crocodile. He would like swipe me across the stage.

452
00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 5: I was like, they kept us as separate as possible.

453
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 5: And I have to tell you we I know because

454
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 5: we felt so grateful, and I know because I spoken

455
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 5: to all of them except all over really as far

456
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,880
Speaker 5: as the last winners, just like how grateful we were,

457
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 5: and also that it was a really very challenging and

458
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 5: it's also quite creative because we had every single solitary

459
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:25,160
Speaker 5: costume designer, lighting director, production. Nobody was on the road.

460
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 5: They were right there with us and that show was

461
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 5: and they there was some really creative moments. Every choreographer.

462
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 5: I could imagine. I had a new choreographer for every song.

463
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 5: And by the time they knew I was, you know,

464
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 5: I was in it to win it they were like,

465
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 5: you know, I take three choreographers a day and we'd

466
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 5: work out a track and it was just I like

467
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 5: that stuff. That's high pressure and that's back and that's

468
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 5: a big pop game.

469
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so, that's so cool.

470
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:51,640
Speaker 5: I love it.

471
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Speaker 3: What made you choose the popcorn costume?

472
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:59,000
Speaker 5: You don't really choose, you you we had They wanted

473
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 5: me to either go pretty sexy rocker like cat woman style,

474
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 5: like real big like b or animal animal esque, and

475
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 5: then I said, we discussed being something a little bit

476
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,120
Speaker 5: different instead of being that hottie kind of like blah

477
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 5: blah blah on coming in on a motorcycle, and when

478
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 5: popcorn they gave me an image and shoes. We've been talking.

479
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 5: I go, well, what if I kind of like go like,

480
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 5: you know, really like get into my girl, get into

481
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,160
Speaker 5: like that little place and just be like miss America.

482
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 5: Nobody knows what's coming tomorrow. Or I just had this

483
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 5: very Americana feel and I just loved the idea of popcorn.

484
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 5: People watched me and just being a little girl about it,

485
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 5: but you know, really kind of that was my challenge

486
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,719
Speaker 5: of changing it up and just being this little like kitten.

487
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:49,199
Speaker 1: That's fun. Oh, cool, just.

488
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 5: Insane, and I got to work, you know, working with

489
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 5: the you know it was the head piece was was nuts.

490
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 5: But what was going on below was like I was

491
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 5: in like you know, we represented a lot of popka's.

492
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 5: I was like umbrella up the bottom of it. We

493
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 5: had a kind of tore so that up I got

494
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 5: my legs are this big? Guys don't don't you know

495
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 5: my couple, but like we have got to work this

496
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 5: stage And while you're blind and you're looking at one eye,

497
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 5: I could only see it was so tall. I'm little,

498
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 5: so I was only looking at my voice hole and

499
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 5: I'm like one time, you know, you walk off stage.

500
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 5: I walked right. I was also almost in the pit.

501
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 5: Production is just they're just genius. They were just such

502
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 5: pros and like I said, we had the best of

503
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 5: the vest during that season.

504
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 2: Okay, Golden Bachelorette, you performed on there and then one

505
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 2: of the guys said they dated you, which I just find.

506
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 1: What a shocker, Like You're like, oh did we please?

507
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 5: Well? Hone? You see like a girl kind of like

508
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 5: me that, like you know, I'm sure sure you're married

509
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,400
Speaker 5: now and have a child, but like you know, it's

510
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 5: not like I've not been on the shortlist of dating.

511
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 5: I've dated my entire life. If I've not been married yet,

512
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 5: I do have two in twins at twenty three. I've

513
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 5: had my long term relationships my short term. But I'm

514
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 5: kind of even that share boat, like, you know, we've

515
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 5: put things and I might have them. I was like,

516
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 5: did we I don't remember anything. Yeah, I don't remember.

517
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 5: You met me on a yacht in Chicago. I'm like,

518
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 5: first of all, that doesn't even queue up and boat

519
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 5: during the river. And I was like, I go, yeah, yeah, yeah,

520
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 5: shouldn't you be focused on Joan? And I'm like, you know,

521
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 5: pulling my feet off backstage doing hair and makeup. I'm like,

522
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,679
Speaker 5: this guy's you know, would you ever.

523
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 1: Do the golden if they asked you?

524
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 5: Oh? God, well, I don't think my boyfriend Johnny would.

525
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: Like that to Oh Johnny would not like that from

526
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 1: this point.

527
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 5: That's only you know, we've been together a couple of years.

528
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 5: But you know, I never say never to anything.

529
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,400
Speaker 1: That is a true diva right there. I mean that

530
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 1: is that is, It's fantastic.

531
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 5: I tell it like it is. I never say never

532
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 5: to anything like it's not really worth the you know,

533
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 5: things changed so rapidly in one's life daily. But at

534
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:13,679
Speaker 5: the same time, I'm pretty my quality of life is

535
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 5: pretty darn good. I've gone through enough ups and downs

536
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 5: and bumps and beautiful moments, and you know, I live.

537
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 5: I live in a way where I never say never,

538
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 5: but you know, I sew have the energy and I'm

539
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 5: got a lot of things to still to do.

540
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 2: I love that. Okay, new music, do we did? We

541
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 2: have some coming or.

542
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 5: I released Capital Sessions during all that craziness and that

543
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,880
Speaker 5: was pretty new for me. You can look that up.

544
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 5: And then I am back in the studio now. Starting

545
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 5: next week, believe it or not, we start writing again.

546
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 5: And I'm not sure what my direct we you know,

547
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 5: you know, to me it would it would probably be

548
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,040
Speaker 5: more dancing back to kind of my my roots, but

549
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 5: that's new music. As far as touring, now, I go

550
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 5: back to Europe, you know, I'm now May June, I'll

551
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 5: be in Vienna. I just did Germany. I just did

552
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 5: Colonne slash Dusseldorf. It was amazing, and uh, you know,

553
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 5: just check out my tour dates because I tour a lot.

554
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 2: Love Okay, Well, if you're in the Nashville close area,

555
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 2: we're coming well.

556
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 5: I'll be I mean coming up. You could take a

557
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 5: little road trip, Diva, you could do it too.

558
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: Diva Alder Child.

559
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 2: We've got seventeen, nine, six and sixteen.

560
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: Months, so seventeen that's it from that's my boy.

561
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 4: I've got an older boy. There's seventeen. He'll be eighteen

562
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 4: this year.

563
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

564
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 2: So but our baby together is sixteen months, so you know,

565
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 2: forty babies, so exciting.

566
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 5: It is kind of exciting. It is. I thought about it.

567
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 5: I mean, I had my but I had mind late too,

568
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 5: so I get it. Thirty nine, forty my children and

569
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 5: I get it. These next ten years are going to count.

570
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 5: But boy, it's hard, right.

571
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it is. Once you get older, everything just

572
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 1: kind of changes. But challenge you are.

573
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,719
Speaker 2: You are fantastic. Thank you so much for coming on.

574
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 2: Appreciate you and it's it's going to keep asking Spotify

575
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 2: to play taylored Dame because it's right baby fast. Thanks girl,

576
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 2: pleasure to meet you.

577
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: I love to see you.

578
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 5: Thanks