1 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: And just like that, we're back late kick extra the 2 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: morning of Tuesday, December twenty ninth of the year of 3 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 1: Our Lord twenty twenty one of those deals, who among 4 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: us hasn't been there? We have a bomb go off 5 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: near our apartment, so we have to go to our parents' 6 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 1: house and stay for an extended period of time. One 7 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: stayed away, and therefore the time zones are different, and 8 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: your entire schedule is thrown off. Again. I say, who 9 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:34,959 Speaker 1: among us hasn't been in that position, or as I've 10 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 1: been saying on Twitter lately, hooms amongst us has not 11 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: been there? Well, that's where yours truly is right now. However, 12 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: things could be a lot worse, considering again, a bomb 13 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: precipitated all this. So a lot of you have checked 14 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: in on me, and for those of you who have 15 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: no clue what I'm talking about, we had a bomb 16 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: in downtown Nashville, about two or three blocks from where 17 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: I stay, where I live, where my apartment is, and 18 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: so I am not in Nashville because we really haven't 19 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: had internet up there, so he can't get work done. 20 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,680 Speaker 1: And so again, very very small problems compared to what 21 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,319 Speaker 1: could have been. But the schedule has been thrown off 22 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: all week. So this is one of those situations where 23 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: I am recording the morning of in another state, and 24 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: so my schedule is not on producer Jordan's schedule, and 25 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: so I'm trying to make sure I get things to 26 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: him on time, even though I'm an hour ahead of him. 27 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: So it shouldn't be an issue. Fortunately, you guys have 28 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: come through and you've given me plenty to talk about 29 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: this morning. It is playoff week. We got playoff games Friday. 30 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: We've got a lot of big ball games this week too, 31 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,119 Speaker 1: And contrary to what the Internet is telling you and 32 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 1: Twitter is telling you, there are big ball games that 33 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: don't have a playoff sticker attached to them. Just a 34 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 1: little fyi, just a little heads up. If you're of 35 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: the belief that there are no college football games that 36 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: matter other than the national title picture, this podcast may 37 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: not be for you. However, we do talk about the playoffs, 38 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: especially this time of year, a lot here, So hold on, 39 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna take a big sip of kef room temperature 40 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: cold brew. As always, we will not name the brand 41 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: because they are not sponsoring the show as of yet. 42 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: Balls in their court. We'll see how twenty twenty one goes. 43 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:13,239 Speaker 1: But we got a lot to talk about this morning. 44 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: And then first, before we do any of that, I 45 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 1: asked you guys, a couple of weeks ago, I put 46 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: the old challenge out there. I put the ball in 47 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: your court, and I said, we're really close. Oh my goodness, 48 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: we were so close. We were at nine hundred and 49 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: sixty two five star reviews. That's where we were, and 50 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: so I thought it's aggressive, but I think they can 51 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: do it. And so again I put it in your hands. 52 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 1: Get us to one thousand. So you got us to 53 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: a thousand, and then you got us to eleven hundred, 54 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 1: and then you got us to twelve hundred, and now 55 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:47,799 Speaker 1: we're over thirteen hundred five star reviews for the Late 56 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 1: Kick podcast in Apple Podcast. Now, some of you were asking, Hey, 57 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: I listened on Spotify, Hey I listened on Android, Like 58 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: I don't feel like I can be invited to the party. 59 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: You're at the party. You're at the party. Don't worry 60 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 1: about that. You're at the party. You just can't give 61 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: the five star review cause us an Apple thing. Don't 62 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: ask me why we value the Apple podcast products so much. 63 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know anything about this, I 64 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 1: record it, I send it off, and then I'm done 65 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: with it. Boy, you guys helped out. So thank you, really, 66 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: really really big time for that. Was that was clutch. 67 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: That was a nice Christmas present from you to me, 68 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: aside from you just already listening. Okay, let's dive into this. 69 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: I'm trying to stalling because I'm trying to figure out 70 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: which question I want to go with first. So the 71 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: way the Late Kick Extra podcasts work, by the way, 72 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: for those of you unfamiliar, is we do Latekick Live 73 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: on the twenty four to seven Sports YouTube channel next 74 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: Sunday night, Tuesday night, Thursday night. You get it in 75 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: podcast form here the next morning after those shows. But 76 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: we also do two podcast exclusive shows per week, and 77 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: it's mail bags, just Q and A. You email me 78 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: Josh pat seven zero six at gmail dot com or 79 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: on Twitter. You can DM me at Latekickjosh or and 80 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: don't forget. You can also while you submit your five 81 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: star review on Apple Podcasts, you can also do a 82 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: written review there and you can put your question in 83 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: the written review. We always like to get the written 84 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: reviews too. Most of them are glowing, some or not. 85 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: I deserve a health the amount of both of those 86 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: kinds of feedback. So here's where we'll start this morning. 87 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Kyle because Kyle did something that 88 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 1: I think more of us in life should be able 89 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 1: to do. I got a squeaky chair, by the way, 90 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: so if you hear it in the background, just ignore it. 91 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:27,359 Speaker 1: Very unprofessional, but just ignore it. Kyle. I admire you. 92 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 1: My friend Kyle is a frequent contributor to the show. 93 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: So he let his guard down this morning and he said, 94 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna admit I was wrong. Greg Sanki and the 95 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: SEC knew what they were doing, as it turns out, 96 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 1: So my question has become why did they do it 97 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: so much differently on the front end than a conference 98 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 1: like the Big Ten. Kyle, It's a good question. It 99 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 1: has layers to it, so let's work backwards. Okay. First off, 100 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: as we see, the SEC was not alone. The SEC, 101 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: I think because it is the premiere conference in college football, 102 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: it also gets a majority of the credit, majority of 103 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: the blame. Whenever you know, they take a stance and 104 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 1: then something happens the way it's going to happen. The 105 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: ACC was there too, the Big twelve, was there too, 106 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: and as much credit, and trust me, I am heaping 107 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: it on him along with you, as Greg Sanki has gotten. 108 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 1: I think you've also got to look at the ACC, 109 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 1: and you got to look at the Big Twelve. There 110 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: was a recent change in the leadership at the commissioner 111 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: level of the ACC, but Bob bowlsby over in the 112 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: Big Twelve as well, like they said, all right, we're 113 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: going to stay in lockstep with you, and now let's 114 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 1: start to reverse. Okay, So we worked back through the season. 115 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: The SEC had built in what I called the reservoir Week, 116 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: which was December twelfth, which meant a lot of their 117 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: spillover games could go to that week if they got postponed, 118 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: and a fair amount of them did. And they also 119 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,280 Speaker 1: had Conference Championship Saturday as a day where they could 120 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: use kind of as a second reservoir for teams that 121 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: weren't playing in Atlanta. And so they ended up getting 122 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 1: all but two of their conference games played, which is 123 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 1: borderline miraculous, if not outright miraculous. But the ACC got 124 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 1: most of their games in. Now, they tampered with their 125 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 1: schedule a little bit when it came to the end, 126 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: and you know, Clemson Notre Dame didn't play the week 127 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: before the a SEC title game. Listen, whatever, you can 128 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: have a problem with it. I think it's at this 129 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 1: point it's kind of nitpicking relative to what we thought 130 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: we may be dealing with in August, and the Big 131 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: Twelve got the job done. In The Big Twelve suffered 132 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: a little bit this year. You know, the Big Twelve 133 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: was out for all intents and purposes. I guess we 134 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: could say they were out of the college football playoff picture, 135 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 1: maybe on the very fringe at the end, suffered some 136 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 1: tough losses. Remember that Week one for the Big Twelve, 137 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 1: they got sun belted. I mean they got whipped by 138 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: the sun Belt. It's a very figurative language there, but 139 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: it's literal. It happened. And so they stayed the course 140 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:54,279 Speaker 1: and they played anyway, So they deserve credit. But here's 141 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: what happened really on the front end, Now we've reversed 142 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:59,680 Speaker 1: all the way back to decision day. I think they 143 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: were playing with a different set of cards. They had 144 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 1: an entirely different deck of cards in front of them, 145 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:08,479 Speaker 1: and really the deck of cards that the SEC and 146 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: the ACC and the Big Twelve were using to deal 147 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: from really had at the forefront the motivation to play, 148 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: and I think that they were looking for ways to play. 149 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: I don't ever think it was reckless, like as it 150 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: turns out, look at the product that we got. How 151 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: many guys did we see, How many games did we 152 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: see canceled and guys in the hospital and serious, long 153 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: lasting injury as a result of this. I mean, we 154 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: had people, I kid you not, back in the summer 155 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: printing articles projecting how many college football players may die 156 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: because of COVID. There were some really really rash, irresponsible 157 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: liberties taken both editorially and in terms of leadership positions 158 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: in the sport of college football back in the offseason, 159 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: when no one knew what was happening. People at the 160 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: forefront of the fight from the epidemiaology side, we're telling 161 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: you day to day, hey, this is kind of changing, 162 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: like we don't really know one way or the other. 163 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: But yet you had people taking stands in newsrooms, and 164 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: you had people taking stands in college football boardroom so 165 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: to speak, that tried to preach to you that hey, 166 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: we got it, like we have a grasp on this. 167 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: Well they didn't. And some people were humble enough to 168 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: admit that, and I really admired the way that Greg 169 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: Sankie went about it. And you mentioned Greg Sankie, Kyle, 170 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: I really admired the way he went about it because 171 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: as much as everyone else had to take on him, 172 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: myself included, everyone else had to take And so if 173 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: you were for what he was doing, you kind of 174 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: painted him as this mythological fire breathing dragon with a 175 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,199 Speaker 1: huge sword and shield in front of him, and then 176 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: if you didn't like it, you painted him as essentially 177 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: Satan reincarnate, and he was neither of those things. What 178 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: he was was he'd do several radio hits. He was 179 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: very front facing. You couldn't find Kevin Warren. His face 180 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: was plastered on the back of every milk carton in 181 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,319 Speaker 1: the Big Ten for good reason, because it really wasn't 182 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 1: his decision, contrary to what some may lead you to believe. 183 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: But Greg Sinki was front facing. He was out there, 184 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 1: he was giving updates, and every time he very very 185 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: bluntly would say this is changing, here's what we want 186 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: to do, here's what we plan to do. Here is 187 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: the committee that we've put together, and here are the 188 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: people in the medical community we're listening to. For this. 189 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: If things change, then our plans will change. This is 190 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: very fluid. We're pushing this back as far as we can, 191 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: but also trying to start at as responsible a date 192 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 1: as we can to give ourselves flexibility in the season, 193 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 1: which turned out to be the big key that allowed 194 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 1: the SEC to have will room and almost derailed the 195 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 1: Big Ten. That was the difference really, And the other 196 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: difference is at the forefront of the motivation was competition. 197 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: That was at the forefront of the motivation, and in 198 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 1: the Big Ten that's the problem. That was the detach 199 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 1: at the forefront of the motivation in Lincoln, Nebraska, and Columbus, 200 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: Ohio and places like State College. And I'm not doing 201 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: an exhaustive list of people who wanted to play, but 202 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: the motivation there was competition. Ohio State wanted to play 203 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: is every bit as badly as Alabama did. Nebraska wanted 204 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 1: to play every bit as badly as Georgia did, or 205 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 1: Clemson did. They wanted it like Penn State. They wanted it. 206 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: They were very vocal about it. The detachment came in 207 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:33,559 Speaker 1: the motivation of players, coaches, fans versus Big Ten, administrative types, 208 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: bureaucratic types, even leadership is a very loose term and 209 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think it applies to what was happening 210 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: in the Big Ten at that time. And just as 211 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: was the case recently with the Auburn coaching search, I 212 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: really believe the public had a lot to do with this. 213 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: You'll never get people to admit it, but I think 214 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,079 Speaker 1: the public had a lot to do with it. Whereas 215 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:59,679 Speaker 1: the sec, as Kyle asked about, they were resolute in 216 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: their vision the whole time. They were convicted and determined 217 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:08,079 Speaker 1: in their ideology the whole time. The ideology, the philosophy, 218 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: the thinking behind what the Big Ten was doing, it 219 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 1: was changing day to day because it wasn't really rooted 220 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: in any strong principle. It was rooted in what they 221 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:20,360 Speaker 1: really wanted to do and what they valued and didn't value. 222 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: And then they kind of tried to reverse engineer reasoning 223 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 1: for it, and that's where the mess became apparent. And 224 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 1: that's also where they got called out on it. And 225 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: when justin Fields and in the ACC Trevor Lawrence, when 226 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: people started speaking out, I think they listened because there 227 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 1: wasn't really much of a backbone there. Kevin Warren, the 228 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 1: Big Ten commissioner, I know was again the front facing 229 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:45,319 Speaker 1: entity for all that he was kind of the poster 230 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: child for all that it wasn't him. He didn't have 231 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: the power to say yes or no even if he 232 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: wanted to. He was speaking as Roger Goodell does at 233 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: the NFL level with owners. He was speaking for university presidents, chancellors, 234 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: et cetera. And so then they all of a sudden 235 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: flip flop because it gets a litt uncomfortable. Are not 236 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: people used to taking heat. They are not. There's a 237 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: specific reason they had a Kevin Warren around. It's so 238 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: they don't have to take the heat. These are people 239 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: used to saying and then seeing it done, and all 240 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,839 Speaker 1: of a sudden, when someone pushed back, they were very uncomfortable. Well, 241 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:18,439 Speaker 1: the SEC never put themselves in that position. I mean, 242 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: it sounds genius, but it really is common sense. The 243 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 1: SEC took the approach, as did the ACC, as did 244 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: the Big Twelve, that if we cancel this season, it's 245 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: going to be a last ditch type result. It's going 246 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: to be at the deadline when we make the announcement. 247 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 1: We're not going to ignorantly make the announcement in July 248 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: or August, and then see things unravel and then see 249 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: public perception look back at us and say hold up. 250 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: Other conferences are playing why can't we play? Hold up? 251 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: Things have changed? Hold up? The scientific picture has become 252 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: more clear. Will all those things happened between the time 253 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 1: the Big Ten made their abrupt announcement and the time 254 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 1: the date approached where the true deadline should have been, 255 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: And that was the rever urusal in the Big Ten, 256 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: And that was why there was no need to reverse 257 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: course in the SEC. And so what was looked at 258 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 1: once upon a time as reckless endangerment of young lives, 259 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: all of a sudden looked a lot different just a 260 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:14,559 Speaker 1: month to a month and a half later. And now 261 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: we're several months down the road. And this is where 262 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: we know you and I, Kyle and everyone else listening. 263 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: We know the difference between Greg Sanki and the vast 264 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: majority of us, because, as I tweeted out when I 265 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: was watching the SEC Championship game, if I were Greg 266 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: Sinki knowing what people said about me, not just random 267 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: folks with thirty two followers on Twitter and an egg 268 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 1: for a profile picture, I'm talking about actual folks with 269 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: blue check mark, long and story tenures in sports media 270 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 1: and news media talking about me as if I were 271 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,080 Speaker 1: trash and talking about me as if I were some 272 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: carnival barker trying to pull the wool over people's eyes 273 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: so I could bow down at the altar of the 274 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: almighty dollar. That's how I was painted. And so if 275 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: I were Greg Sinking, and a few months later I 276 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 1: was on that stage at the SEC Championship game when 277 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: I was about to hand that SEC Championship trophy to 278 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: Nick Saban, I may do like Dwight Shroop did in 279 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: the Office season whatever when they have hay Place and 280 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: he's crowning the hay King. He didn't win it when 281 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 1: he was young, so he just crowned himself. If I 282 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: were Greg SANKI I may have just crowned myself. But 283 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: he didn't, and he's never taken the victory lap. And 284 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: good on him again, really good on him, because I 285 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: don't know if I'd be able to do the same thing. 286 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: Kevin is next up. Got some k's this morning. We 287 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: got Kevin, We got Kyle, we got well, actually that's 288 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: only two, so forget I've just said that, but I'm 289 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: not editing it out, all right, So up with that 290 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: in mind, Kevin says, what does Notre Dame need to 291 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: do to get over the hump if they lose against Alabama? 292 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: What does it say about the program. I'm glad you 293 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: asked this because I was going to talk about it 294 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: on Lake Kick Live ish tonight. I don't know if 295 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: it's going to be live, but it will be on 296 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: the air. Here's what they need to do. Well, obviously 297 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: they need to beat Alabama to get over the hump. 298 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: But what is the hump? The hump is not legitimate. 299 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: The hump is not Let's get over that and then 300 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: we'll be a good program. Notre Dame is good. They 301 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: are very good. They're a great program right now. Notre 302 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: Dame is a great program. They got a great team 303 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: this year. Here's the problem. That's not the top tier 304 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: in college football. The top tier is elite, that's tier one. 305 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: We talk about it quite often. There are only a 306 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: very small handful of teams that hang out there. Any 307 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: given year, you may only have one or two, and 308 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: when it comes to categorizing programs as elite, there are 309 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: usually only two to three, maybe four, and that's a stretch. 310 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: Notre Dame hasn't been in that club Notre Dame has 311 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: been right at the forefront, right at the front of 312 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: the line of the next layer, the next level, Tier two. 313 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: So yeah, if they beat Alabama, it would feel better 314 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: obviously then when they beat Clemson early in the year, 315 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: because it would be in a playoff setting and they 316 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: would be going to a national championship game. But I 317 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: want to go back to the first part. Okay, because 318 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: you ask, what do they need to do to get 319 00:15:56,400 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 1: over the hump? Well, that's the answer. They need to 320 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: beat elite teams. I guess, really they need to win 321 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: a national championship. I guess it's what they need to 322 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: do because that's really what they have left. I guess 323 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: you could say win a playoff game, and yeah, that 324 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: would be advancement. But I want to get to the 325 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: second part, the whole. If they don't beat Alabama aspect, 326 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: I've been asked this a lot, and they're nearly a 327 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: three touchdown underdog, so it's unlikely. I view it as unlikely, 328 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: just like most of you do, if they don't win it. 329 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: I was talking in our editorial meeting yesterday. I want 330 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: to say it was we were just kind of tossing 331 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: around some content ideas, and I was thinking through it, 332 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: and I kind of mentioned this the other night on 333 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: the show, but I mentioned it in passing, and I 334 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: probably need to revisit it and do a deeper dive 335 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: on it. I think there are some parallels right now 336 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: to where Notre Dame's program is and where Florida's program 337 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: is now. Florida, I think, as I said, chronologically, they 338 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: may be a notch or two further down this road. 339 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: And this is a twenty twenty road, by the way. 340 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: I'm not speaking long term, but think about twenty twenty. 341 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: Think about what it's been for these two programs. Notre 342 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:05,159 Speaker 1: Dame for a long time now, the whole book on 343 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: Brian Kelly has been Okay, you're good. No one's saying 344 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: you're not. You recruit good, you play good, you coach good. 345 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: But there's very little great here. And in order to 346 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: be great, you got to beat great teams, and you 347 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 1: just haven't done that. When we put you on the 348 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: big stage, you've fallen against the likes of Alabama or 349 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 1: against the likes of Clemson, And I mean it's really 350 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: a short list, to be honest with you, and Florida. Similarly, 351 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: in the SEC East, when are you ever gonna beat Georgia? 352 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,400 Speaker 1: And it's it's not been but like four years, three 353 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 1: years or whatever it was, but it felt like an eternity, 354 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: and the current the current iterations of those programs, it 355 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: felt like it's been an eternity. Okay, so what they do? 356 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,919 Speaker 1: Notre Dame beats Clemson earlier this year? They checked that 357 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 1: box that everyone's been waiting on them to check. And 358 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 1: Florida what they do earlier this year? They beat Georgia. 359 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:50,920 Speaker 1: They checked that box that everyone's been waiting on them 360 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: to check. If you could freeze that moment in time, 361 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 1: that's it. That's it right there, they've arrived to a 362 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:00,400 Speaker 1: lot of people. Granted, you haven't won a national championship point, 363 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 1: but they've checked one of the boxes that a lot 364 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: of people have suggested they couldn't check. Well they did. Okay, 365 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: so Florida over Georgia, Notre Dame over Clemson. But then 366 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: we start to press play again and we watch the 367 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 1: rest of the season play out. What does Notre Dame do? 368 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: They go to the a SEC championship game, they get 369 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 1: smashed by Clemson, and now what does Notre Dame do? 370 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: They're in a position to where they could potentially suffer 371 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,160 Speaker 1: the same fate at the hands of Alabama. What does 372 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: Florida do I know, we're jumping back and forth from 373 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 1: South Bend to Gainsville. Here, what does Florida do well? 374 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:36,159 Speaker 1: They suffer probably the most inexplicable loss of the season. 375 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 1: They suffer a loss to LSU the week before the 376 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 1: SEC title game is over a three touchdown favorite upsets 377 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: can happen, there's your proof. So they suffer that loss. 378 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 1: Then they get beat by Alabama, not humbled, not humiliated, 379 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: but they still get beat and their rival Georgia finishes 380 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: the season red hot, with presumably the answer at quarterback 381 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: finally in JT. Daniels. And where are they both of 382 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: them now? Where are month and a half ago they 383 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:03,719 Speaker 1: had arrived, they had checked that box everyone had been 384 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 1: longing for them to check. And yet here we are 385 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: a month and a half later, and it feels like 386 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 1: Florida has already taken one step forward two steps back. 387 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: I'm not even talking about my perception. I'm talking about 388 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: the Florida fans in my inbox. That's what it sounds like. 389 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 1: They put a lot of emphasis on this recruiting class 390 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: and even this bowl game because they don't want to 391 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: finish the season thinking that all the progress they felt 392 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: like they made in that Georgia loss has eroded away. 393 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: And Notre Dame. Similar story here. They had a lot 394 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: of equity built up, I mean a ton of it 395 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 1: after that Clemson win. But then when that same team 396 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: plus Trevor Lawrence smashes you, and then if you get 397 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: smashed again by Alabama, well, in their eyes, we're no 398 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 1: further than where we were when we started the season. 399 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:49,199 Speaker 1: We know we can compete against North Carolina, we know 400 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: we can compete against Boston College. We know we're better 401 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 1: than those programs we should be, but it looks like 402 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 1: we're still just as far away from Clemson and Alabama 403 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:59,120 Speaker 1: as we've always been. I'm telling you that's where it'll be. 404 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: That's where it'll be for both of them. Now. That 405 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: is spoken very pejoratively by a lot of people. I 406 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: don't speak it that way because I don't think that's 407 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: anything to really hang your head about. To be able 408 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: to look around the country and say we're better than 409 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: everybody except Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, maybe one other team 410 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: in a given year, that's nothing to hang your head at. 411 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 1: That's nothing to be critical of. It's something to long 412 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:27,479 Speaker 1: for while maintaining a positive disposition that you're better than 413 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: like ninety seven or ninety eight percent of the rest 414 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 1: of the sport you're in and year out, by the way. 415 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:34,439 Speaker 1: So the other thing that I would think about is this, 416 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:36,199 Speaker 1: I would think about if I were to be a 417 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 1: Notre Dame fan and I were to look at my 418 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,880 Speaker 1: current team, I don't think the best thing to do 419 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: is to look at how you fared in twenty twelve 420 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 1: against Alabama and then juxtapose that to how you fared 421 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 1: this Friday night in the road the Dallas Rose Bowl 422 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 1: against Alabama. Because last time, I think it was forty 423 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: two to fourteen. Okay, so let's just say, for argument's sake, 424 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: you were to lose forty four to fourteen this Friday night. 425 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 1: So the margin of defeat is larger in twenty twenty 426 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,199 Speaker 1: than it is in twenty twelve. I'm telling you, some 427 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: simple minded people would come at you. Maybe you'd be 428 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:11,640 Speaker 1: part of this, And now I certainly would never call 429 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: you simple minded. I think this ideology is simple minded. 430 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: That's that whole Stupid people never say smart things, but 431 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: smart people say stupid things sometimes, So maybe you're a 432 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: smart person who would say this stupid thing. We lost 433 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: by more in twenty twenty than we did in twenty twelve. 434 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: I means we hadn't gotten any better. We've actually gotten 435 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 1: a little bit worse. No, you haven't, because the proper 436 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 1: metric would be what do you think your twenty twenty 437 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: Notre Dame team would do against your twenty twelve Notre 438 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: Dame team? And that answer I think would be this 439 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 1: twenty twenty Notre Dame team is about eight to twelve 440 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 1: points better neutral field one thousand simulations than that twenty 441 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 1: twelve team, And that twenty twelve team was very good. 442 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 1: I just think they're that much better now. I think 443 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 1: the roster is that much better. I think they've got 444 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: better play at quarterback. I think they've got better overall 445 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 1: athleticism and skill at the wide receiver positions, again relative 446 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,199 Speaker 1: to twenty twelve Notre Dame. So I know this is 447 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: what it's all about. This isn't major League baseball, where 448 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: even if you go on an extended run where you 449 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 1: lose fourteen of twenty games overall, you could still be 450 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: the best team in the sport. College football and the 451 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:19,199 Speaker 1: sport of football. It's about individual games. I get that. 452 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: I understand where you're coming from. I'm choosing to take 453 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 1: a longer view look when it comes to gauging the 454 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: strength of a program, and so where Notre Dame's program 455 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,239 Speaker 1: will be. I'm going to be honest with you, it 456 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 1: won't change in my mind negatively a whole lot this Friday, 457 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: because I expect Alabama to win by double digits. The 458 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: only thing that you could have change in my mind 459 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: about Notre Dame's program from now until this day next 460 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 1: week would be a net positive. That's the only thing 461 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 1: that I would think differently about Notre Dame. I had 462 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 1: to pause the recording for a second because I started 463 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:57,640 Speaker 1: to laugh pretty uncontrollably. This next question. So Sarah has 464 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 1: a question about a press conference disaster that quite frankly 465 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,919 Speaker 1: was averted yesterday. I don't know if you guys heard it. 466 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 1: We will talk about it though, right after this. All right, 467 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: So Sarah said, did you see the chick and these 468 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: are Sarah's words, by the way, did you see the 469 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: chick that referred to Nick Saban simply as Saban in 470 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: his Rose Bowl press conference yesterday? Yes, I did Sarah. 471 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: At the time, I was very passively listening. I was 472 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:25,719 Speaker 1: doing something else, and that perked me up. I mean, 473 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 1: the girl I can't remember, let me paraphrase. She said 474 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 1: something like, Saban, how do you think your defense will 475 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: handle Notre Dame quarterback Ian book. Okay, so there's this 476 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: thing sometimes. Here was my takeaway. At the Super Bowl 477 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: media days SI for Kids, Sports Illustrated for Kids, They'll 478 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 1: sometimes have these competitions where they will tell a kid, 479 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: if you win this competition, we will let you ask 480 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 1: a question to head coaches at the Super Bowl Media 481 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: Day press conference. And I thought about that only because 482 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: I've watched those kids ask questions before and they sounded 483 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 1: way better than whoever. This was not to bemoan, not 484 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: to demean, but it was ridiculous. So I don't know 485 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: where that came from. I don't know who that was, 486 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 1: but it brought about a larger question. This is why 487 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: I was laughing. So of course, anytime something ridiculous happens 488 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: at a press conference, I get it sent to me 489 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: and then I get text messages asking about it. So 490 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 1: I just wanted to say something so someone else we 491 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 1: had another question. I'm going to kind of loop in 492 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 1: here Andy had asked about like the worst I think 493 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,120 Speaker 1: he asked the worst questions that I had ever heard 494 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: in press's settings and press conferences. So here's how this works. Okay. 495 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 1: I will not apologize for stupid questions. They get asked 496 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: all the time. I just want to let you in 497 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 1: the back door a little bit of how that happens. 498 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 1: So sometimes you may be listening to a press conference 499 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: and you may think that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard, 500 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 1: or why are you asking such common sense questions? Everyone 501 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 1: knows the answer to that. Or if you hear someone say, 502 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 1: if you were talking to Nick Saban, could you talk 503 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 1: a little bit about DeVante Smith and how great he's 504 00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: been this year. You may listen to that and you 505 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 1: may say, well, of course he's been great. What's he 506 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: going to say? Like everyone knows he's been great. Why 507 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: don't you ask a question about the overall health status 508 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 1: of Jalen Waddle and we can know if he's going 509 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: to be able to play? That's what you want asked. 510 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: I just wanted to kind of try and make some 511 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: sense of this for you. I'm not saying the questions 512 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 1: aren't stupid. I'm just trying to tell you why the 513 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,399 Speaker 1: questions that sound stupid get asked sometimes because it's not 514 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: always a total moron who's asking the question. These people 515 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,360 Speaker 1: are sometimes very very bright. They just have an assignment 516 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 1: that they need to fulfill, and so what happens. And 517 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 1: I've done it multiple areas. Now, I've done it in 518 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 1: local radio, I've done it in local TV, local news, 519 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,959 Speaker 1: and then I've also done it from the twenty four 520 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,880 Speaker 1: to seven sports side of things. Editorially, a lot of times, 521 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 1: if you work in the print media, the digital print media, 522 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 1: the written word journalistic world, so to speak, you obviously 523 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: have an editor, and you obviously have an assignment editor. 524 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: I guess that's obvious. And a lot of times your plan, 525 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,160 Speaker 1: your publishing plan, will be laid out for the week 526 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 1: and for two weeks, and so you know, if we 527 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 1: sit here on Tuesday morning, you know that you've got 528 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:07,160 Speaker 1: let's say, eight hundred and fifty words due Friday by 529 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: twelve am on Nick Saban and his ability to develop 530 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,360 Speaker 1: wide receivers. Okay, let's say that's your assignment. Because your 531 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 1: editorial staff, along with your search engine optimization specialist, knows 532 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: that on Friday morning, the names Nick Saban and DeVante 533 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,719 Speaker 1: Smith are probably going to be trending, because that's what 534 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: their analytics department tells them, because they study Google trends 535 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,040 Speaker 1: year round, and therefore they know they want a headline 536 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 1: on the front page of their website during that timeframe 537 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: that is attached to a story about Nick Saban developing 538 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 1: wide receivers. Of course, the most high profile of which 539 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,439 Speaker 1: right now is DeVante Smith, and so you know that 540 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 1: already when you go to his press conference. And so 541 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 1: in his press conference, you're trying to sort of reverse 542 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: engineer a quote into that story. It's sausage being made, 543 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: but this is the way it works. So you walk 544 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: in there and whereas someone who is just riding down 545 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 1: the road heading home the gas station may be listening 546 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,199 Speaker 1: to that press conference and just thinking that those questions 547 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: are coming off the top of a reporter's head. Sometimes 548 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: they are. But other times, someone's been assigned a story 549 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 1: two days earlier and they already have the skeleton of 550 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 1: it written and they just need to go get a 551 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 1: quote from Nick Saban. And so instead of asking really nuanced, granular, 552 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,880 Speaker 1: detailed questions about the team, you hear someone ask could 553 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 1: you talk a little bit about DeVante Smith and what 554 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 1: he's meant to the team. Now. To you, that's a 555 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,880 Speaker 1: waste of a question, knowing that there are precious few 556 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: questions that are able to get asked to Nick Saban 557 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,679 Speaker 1: because these press conferences aren't all that long, and so 558 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: you get upset. I know because I listened to it 559 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: half the time, and I feel the same way. I 560 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 1: want actual information, not rosy softball quotes from someone. But 561 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 1: that's how it's working. I could also put it to 562 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 1: you in this way. Don't always assume the questions that 563 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 1: someone in a press setting is asking is the real 564 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 1: question they want to ask. They're not all freelancers in there. 565 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 1: A lot of them have jobs, and a lot of 566 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: them have employers that understand. In exchange for you being 567 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:05,919 Speaker 1: employed here and you being in that setting and you 568 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,400 Speaker 1: getting that access, you're doing work for us, and work 569 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,360 Speaker 1: for us. We want to optimize to its maximum potential, 570 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 1: and to optimize those web traffic numbers to their maximum potential, 571 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: or to optimize our readership numbers to their maximum potential. 572 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,200 Speaker 1: We need headlines that grab and attached to those headlines, 573 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: we need stories that keep them there, and those stories 574 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: need to be about what people are most interested in. 575 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: This is how it works most of the time. And therefore, 576 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: if you're going to go get quote material in this 577 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,640 Speaker 1: press setting, I don't really think people care in large 578 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 1: about the backup right guards status for Saturday's game or 579 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: Friday's game, but they do care about the star quarterback. 580 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: So go ask fifteen questions about him. That is a 581 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: conversation that has had quite often in newsrooms and editorial meetings. 582 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 1: So I hope that clears it up just a little bit. 583 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: So Lance is going to bring a question here that 584 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: I'm going to tiptoe into. Lance said, I know that 585 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: there was an announcement by CDC, so that stands for 586 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: Christal Conte at Texas that everything was good and Tom 587 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 1: Herman was going to be the head coach next year. 588 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 1: But yet there's still smoke around a potential coaching change 589 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: at Texas. What say you, Lance, Let me put this 590 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: out there forefront, right in your face, right from the beginning. 591 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 1: I do not have any inside information on this. I, however, 592 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,240 Speaker 1: have been asking a few people because I've I've heard 593 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 1: that drum beat. So when Crystal Conte, oh Man, did 594 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 1: you hear me? Hit my hand? That heard? So when 595 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 1: Crystal Conte made that announcement. I took it at face value. 596 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 1: To be honest with you, I didn't even read it 597 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 1: word for word. I got the general gist of what 598 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 1: he was saying. Tom Herman's our guy. We didn't land 599 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: Urban Meyer, and we'll just pack it in and we'll 600 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,719 Speaker 1: get ready for twenty twenty one. That's how I took it. 601 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 1: That is not how many of you took it. And 602 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 1: many of you have parsed those words and took it 603 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 1: to say, well, he didn't necessarily say this exactly, and 604 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: we still do have the Bowl game to play, and 605 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: there are still other coaches out there who have their 606 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: games to play, so maybe there's still smoke, and so 607 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: that drum beat. Initially it faded away, but then it's 608 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 1: sort of it's like the tomahawk chop in Atlanta. It's 609 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 1: builds slow, but then when the organ's hit it's very loud. 610 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 1: And so it's been the same way from Texas. It's 611 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: kind of like, all right, well this is decided, and 612 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: then you go on about your business and then you say, 613 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: wait a minute, what is that? What is that I hear? 614 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:25,760 Speaker 1: And then you all of a sudden realize, oh oh, 615 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 1: the Texas message boards, Texas Twitter. There's still a drum beat. 616 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 1: Some people still think that there's going to be a 617 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 1: coaching change. Oh well now more people think that. Well, 618 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: now half the board thinks that. So I've been observing 619 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 1: that I don't know anything, which is a good sign 620 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 1: for those of you who want a coaching change, because 621 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 1: if I don't know anything, that probably means the coaching search, 622 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 1: if there's going to be one, is being handled the 623 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 1: right way. Now. I say that because there is also 624 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 1: the possibility that a lot is being made to do 625 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 1: about nothing and there will be no search and Tom 626 00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 1: Herman's going to be the guy. Here's what I'm always 627 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 1: careful of. I'm always careful of this well in any situation, 628 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 1: but I noticed it in college football. It happens in recruiting, 629 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 1: and it happens in coaching searches. Sometimes you have a 630 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: leaky recruiting situation or a leaky coaching search, and by 631 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 1: that I mean people can't keep their mouth shut, so 632 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 1: there is a lot of information to be had. The 633 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 1: all I've mentioned this twice now. The Auburn coaching search 634 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: most recently displayed both of these. Early the Boosters were 635 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: running the show in the first twenty four to forty 636 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 1: eight hours, they thought they were running the show. They 637 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 1: have loose lips, and so a lot of folks had 638 00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: sources on this. I had a lot of information on it. 639 00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 1: You saw it on Twitter. Well, then all of a sudden, 640 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 1: the boosters got shown the door and Alan Green at 641 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 1: the behest of the president there, Jay Goose, he took 642 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: over the search, and all of a sudden a hire 643 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 1: came out of left field that even the closest and 644 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 1: most inside of Auburn insiders didn't know about. In Brian 645 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 1: Harson from Boise State, Well, the reason is because the 646 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,959 Speaker 1: search became legitimate at one point and the information leaks 647 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 1: got really ratcheted down, almost to not even a drip. Well, 648 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: in a coaching search and in recruiting, sometimes it can 649 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: be one way, sometimes it can be another way. Here 650 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 1: is where I put a big warning label on these things. 651 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 1: Here's where you got to avoid making yourself look really stupid, 652 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: especially if you're prone to stupidity. And there's at least 653 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 1: one person in this room who I know suffers from that, 654 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 1: and it ain't you think it through with me here, 655 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 1: If there's little to no information out there, but there 656 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 1: is a huge thirst and hunger for information. Then what 657 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 1: happens someone somewhere on a message board, someone somewhere on 658 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 1: a talk radio show, needing to fill time and needing 659 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 1: to have fresh content. They either lie on purpose or 660 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 1: they just kind of inadvertently speak something that may have 661 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: shades of truth to it at best, but by and 662 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 1: large is a made up rumor. Guess what happens then? 663 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 1: What happens then, is in lieu of there being any 664 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 1: new real information out there, when this is the only 665 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 1: fresh new take that anyone's heard in twenty four forty 666 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: eight seventy two hours, it gets run with, and then 667 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 1: all of a sudden it's spreading like wildfire, and everyone's 668 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 1: saying it. And then it's a vicious cycle because then 669 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 1: you walk in after a hard day's work and you 670 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 1: turn on your iPhone, you turn on your computer, and 671 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: you see it everywhere, and you think, hold up, now, 672 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,400 Speaker 1: if one or two people are saying this, that's one thing. 673 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,240 Speaker 1: But everyone seems to think this. I mean, it's a consensus. 674 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 1: So therefore, even if it's not totally true, there's got 675 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: to be some version of reality. There's got to be 676 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 1: some layer of truth. To it, and a lot of 677 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 1: times there is none. Just because a lot of people 678 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 1: are saying something doesn't make it true. That happens in recruiting, 679 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 1: like if a kid's not talking, if a kid is 680 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,959 Speaker 1: not giving any information, then by default there really is 681 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 1: no information to be had. That's credible because the kid's 682 00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: going to be the person making the decision. But then 683 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 1: sometimes because there is no information, but this industry needs information, 684 00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 1: It runs on information, some second cousin will tell a 685 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 1: report or something, Hey, I think he's going to go 686 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,959 Speaker 1: to Texas. Well, then all of a sudden, it's everywhere 687 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,760 Speaker 1: because someone out there on Twitter reports a source close 688 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,399 Speaker 1: to the recruitment told me they believe Texas leads here, 689 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: and then that gets run with on websites, and that 690 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,920 Speaker 1: gets run with on message boards. All the while, if 691 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 1: you were to trace it back, even though the crystal 692 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 1: ball is now one hundred percent in Favorite Texas, you 693 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 1: trace it back, the entire premise of that recruitment was 694 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,319 Speaker 1: founded on flawed logic. There was none behind it. And 695 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 1: it happens in coaching searches too. Someone may say something, 696 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 1: someone may even just not suggest anything but leave a 697 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 1: door open, like they may say Hey, I just I 698 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 1: don't think that twenty twenty one is quite decided as 699 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 1: being a year that Tom Herman's going to lead Texas. Yet. 700 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,439 Speaker 1: You can just say that and then people will draw 701 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 1: their own natural conclusions, and all of a sudden, you 702 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,880 Speaker 1: got a snowball rolling down a hill. So I'm saying 703 00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,479 Speaker 1: all that to say this, I don't know which case 704 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 1: is happening at Texas's. That's what I would do, though, 705 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: I'd be very careful. And if you're trying to look 706 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 1: smart to your relatives and your buddy down at the 707 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 1: water cooler tomorrow morning before you guys start to shift, 708 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 1: I'd be very careful, speaking in absolutes, really careful. I 709 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: don't care what the message board says, I don't care 710 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:16,879 Speaker 1: what Twitter says, I don't care what the talk radio 711 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,239 Speaker 1: guy says. Be very careful, because there are very few. 712 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 1: And here's the other thing. If this is a coaching search, 713 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,280 Speaker 1: and if it's being run the right word the right way, 714 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 1: not not being anyway a right way, then there by 715 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 1: default will be no information to be had. Again, kind 716 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,359 Speaker 1: of like the Auburn deal with Brian Harson, there wasn't 717 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 1: a single Auburn insider that spoke the word Brian Hars 718 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,240 Speaker 1: or spoke the name Brian Harson until he got hired. 719 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 1: And so if Texas is running a legitimate coaching search, 720 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 1: you'll never know it. You shouldn't You shouldn't know it. 721 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,240 Speaker 1: So those are my parting words for you this morning. 722 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 1: All right, we got lay Kick Live coming up tonight 723 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,319 Speaker 1: in some shape, form or fashion. It will be on. 724 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 1: As you saw the other night, you didn't have video 725 00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:00,320 Speaker 1: of me because I was in my Georgia childhe hood 726 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 1: bedroom bunker studio, as I like to call it again, 727 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,800 Speaker 1: naming rights are for sale. Who in the front office 728 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,400 Speaker 1: of Lexus or who in the front office of PEPSI 729 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:14,240 Speaker 1: would not like to sponsor the back Home Parents' Bedroom 730 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 1: Georgia Bunker Studio. I don't get why it doesn't already 731 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,959 Speaker 1: have naming rights, but I digress again. The advertising ball 732 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,719 Speaker 1: is ever in your court. Been a lot of basketball 733 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,319 Speaker 1: talk on the College Football Podcast this morning. By the way, 734 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,320 Speaker 1: all right, thank you so much for the five star reviews. 735 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,279 Speaker 1: Make sure you're following me on Twitter at late Kick Josh. 736 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,319 Speaker 1: We've got the Ram and Noodle Express, chug and chug 737 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,759 Speaker 1: and chugging along. We are undefeated. In Bull season, which 738 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,840 Speaker 1: is kind of misleading calls. We've only had one game, 739 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 1: and I would not be talking about our zero percent 740 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,080 Speaker 1: winning percentage if we had lost that game. But we 741 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,360 Speaker 1: are one hundred percent against the spread so far, So 742 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,759 Speaker 1: stick with me there, stick with me here. Thank you 743 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,040 Speaker 1: so much for making the show a success. Happy happy, 744 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,880 Speaker 1: Happy to be able to talk to you somehow this week. 745 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:56,880 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Make sure you subscribe to the 746 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 1: twenty four to seven Sports YouTube channel as well, and 747 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 1: I see you there tonight. Take care, have a great day, 748 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:02,840 Speaker 1: and God bless