1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, welcome to a live reaction from Breaking Points. 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: We can't leave everybody stranded when we've got special election results. 3 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: So Christal, we had Liz Cheney and Lisa Murkowski two 4 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: probably the most interesting ones. And let's just cut to 5 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: the chase if you haven't seen the news lately. So 6 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: ninety five percent of the precincts are in, and what 7 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:21,959 Speaker 1: do we have. Can't say, throw it up here on 8 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: the screen because we've got no elements. Sixty six percent 9 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: of the vote for Harriet Is it Hagman? I don't 10 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: actually know anyway, sixty six percent of the vote for 11 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: Harriet Hagman. She got one hundred and thirteen thousand votes. 12 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: Liz Cheney received forty nine thousand votes, clocking it and 13 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: a rockin twenty eight point nine percent of the vote. Furthermore, 14 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: Cheney did not win a single county in the state 15 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:51,919 Speaker 1: of Wyoming except for Teton County, which apparently is where 16 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: all the rich millionaires and billionaires live, and Albany County, 17 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 1: of which she only won by three percentage points. So 18 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: there you go. I think those are both I think 19 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: those are both counties that Biden won in Wyoming. Right, 20 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 1: So remember at the end of her campaign, her like 21 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: last ditch strategy was to try to get Democrats to 22 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 1: reregister as Republicans so that they could vote in the primary, 23 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,320 Speaker 1: and I think some of them did. I mean, obviously 24 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: it was not even closed to and not but turnout 25 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: was way up and she did really well in these 26 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: uh you know, lone blue counties in the state was 27 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 1: the only place where she performed. So it does look 28 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: like there were a lot of Democrats who crossed over 29 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: and voted for her. But ultimately it's wyoming that strategy 30 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: was not gonna not gonna work out, And I mean 31 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 1: it was clear for a while that this was the 32 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: outcome that was going to have. There's just a question 33 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: of how that of a landslide it was going to be, 34 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: And it looks like it was pretty bad. Her final ad, 35 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 1: you know, she had that viral ad with her dad 36 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: who was like, you know, go and saying Trump is 37 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: a coward. And then her final closing ad was also 38 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: all about Trump, all about democracy, all about January sixth. 39 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: So it was clear she was positioning herself for what 40 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: comes next and was not in doubt herself about what 41 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: the outcome was going to be. Yeah, it's funny. I 42 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: have to read this, which is that you know, standing 43 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: so whenever she cast her vote, I have it up 44 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: here in front of me. She spoke with CBS News 45 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 1: and standing alongside Dick Cheney, she called today's election, win 46 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: or lose, the beginning of a battle for the future 47 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: of democracy. And you just can't help but look at 48 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:29,400 Speaker 1: it when she's standing right next to Dick Cheney and 49 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 1: not see the irony. I mean, as you and I 50 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 1: have said, you're like, look, yes, it's great that she 51 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: was like Trump, You're a liar, but that does not 52 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: absolve the sins of the Cheney family that have wrought 53 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 1: upon the United States of America. And I think the 54 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 1: media is just completely unable to handle this. There are 55 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: some progressive left commentators that I have seen at least 56 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 1: just be like, hey, no, like, actually the Cheneys are bad. 57 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 1: But I mean, you'll remember that MSNBC clip I think 58 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: we played earlier this week or maybe in last week's 59 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: show where I forget the guy on the Today Show 60 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: was like, is it me or to progressive love Dick Cheney? Now. 61 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: I was like, oh god, no, what is not everything 62 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: has to be about this people, Yes, yeah, I mean, 63 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: there's it exposes a bit of a divide on the 64 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: everybody left of center. There's the people who still have 65 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: three brain cells to rub together that remember that she 66 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: is actually opposed to everything that you stand for and 67 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: just did this one thing that was correct and good 68 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: and noble, but does not absolve her or her dad 69 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: of all of their sins and his war crimes and 70 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: her covering for his war crimes and all of that. 71 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: Not to mention the idea that the Cheney's are committed 72 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: to democracy. I think a lot of people in the 73 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: Middle East might have something to say about that and 74 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:46,119 Speaker 1: their approach to it. I think a lot of people 75 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: here might have something to say about that and their 76 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: approach to it. Let's not forget that, you know, he 77 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 1: had no qualms about working with George W. Bush to 78 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: steal that election back in two thousand. They just were 79 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: much more competent at it at the time. But yeah, 80 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: I actually retweeted this from Costam Rashid, who's a progressive 81 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: activist who ran for Congress actually in the district I 82 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: live in. He said, FYI, Liz Cheney posts the Voting 83 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 1: Rates Act and the Minimum Wage Increase the Quality Act, 84 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: the Equal Rights Amendment, George Floyd Act, Build Back Better, 85 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 1: the Infrastructure Bill, the Inflation Production Act, the thirty five 86 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: dollars Insulin Bill, Women's Health Protection Act, an side gas 87 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: price gouging Bill, and by the way, voted with Trump 88 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 1: ninety three percent of the time. Which I think that 89 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: final point is a really important one because it cuts 90 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: both ways. Like this, lady, if you're a Republican and 91 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,599 Speaker 1: you claim to stand for conservative positions, she's been there 92 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: with you. It's just on the one issue that now 93 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 1: defines all of our politics in a terrible way. Where 94 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: do you stand on the question of Donald Trump that 95 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 1: both sort of resistance liberals and the Republican base have 96 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: completely lost their minds. Yeah, this is my entire monologue tomorrow, 97 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: which is a teaser. Have said it before on the show. 98 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 1: You're either with Trump or not. It's actually very simple. 99 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: You know. People will point to Brian ca and actually, 100 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: while I was writing a monologue, I had didn't even 101 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: come across this Crystal. But Kemp was like, I absolutely 102 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: commit to backing Trump in twenty twenty four. Even the 103 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: guy who was supposedly oppositional is like, no, I allow 104 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 1: before you same thing when young Kin, same deal. I 105 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: mean here he is in Virginia, a state that is 106 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 1: a suburban state at this point dominated by the Northern 107 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 1: Virginia suburbs. Was able to win for governor by trying 108 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: to like, you know, kind of walk this tight rope line. 109 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: But I think it's also important to note with young Kin, 110 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: who gets held up as sort of like a third 111 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: way path for Republicans, the only reason he was able 112 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 1: to get the nomination is because the elites, the Republican 113 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: Party elites, basically made it so that there wasn't a 114 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: real primary and handed him the nomination. If he had 115 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 1: actually had to, I never would have won duke it 116 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: out grassroots primary, not only the things that he would 117 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 1: have had to say to try to win that, but 118 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: he probably would not have been able to get far enough, 119 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 1: you know, right in terms of fealty to Trump to 120 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: be able to get through a Republican primary. So he's 121 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: not a good model here either, you know. And I 122 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: mean I am a person who is going to continue 123 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: to fight to make it that Trump is not the 124 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 1: sole dividing line in politics, because I think it's I 125 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: think it's the I don't have a problem with divisive 126 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: politics but it's the wrong dividing line. Yes, this dividing line, 127 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 1: and it makes all of our It's the thing that 128 00:06:18,040 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: I object to most about Trump, honestly, is the way 129 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: that he turns all of our politics all the way 130 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: around into just being about how you feel about this 131 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: one terrible person. The other thing that was, of course, 132 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: very eye catching in the wake of Liz Cheney's defeat 133 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 1: is she went out and gave a speech and basically 134 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 1: was like, yeahm I run for president twenty twenty four, 135 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: So what do y'all think? Let me read the quote 136 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 1: quote Abraham Lincoln was defeated in elections for the Senate 137 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: and House before he won the most important election of all, 138 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 1: just like Lincoln. That's what I think of when I 139 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: think of Liz Cheney. Well, yeah, it's technically true. However, Lincoln, 140 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 1: may we forget in his famous Lincoln Douglas debates actually 141 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: became a national icon, and pamphlets where circru were circulated 142 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: all across the nation. Also, we had a very different 143 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: public at the time. Not to mention the quote unquote 144 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 1: Republican Party secession of this out anyway, So like, I 145 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: don't have to get too much into the weeds of 146 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: why exactly. It's not a one to one situation. But 147 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: you pointed this out. I mean, Reid Hoffman, the billionaire, 148 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: his funt was like chief Moneyman came out. Donor advisor. Yeah, sorry, 149 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: donor advisor. I'll just say term of art, donor advisor. 150 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: Donor his donor advisor came out and said they would 151 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: commit up to what was it, twenty million dollars at 152 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: a minimum for change that GOP campaign. He said that 153 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: he knew other billionaires who would feel similarly inclined, And 154 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess that's the question. It's not really 155 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: clear to be would she want run in the Republican primary, 156 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: which I think she would have to primary, so which 157 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: you run for the Forward Party, which you run as 158 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:03,239 Speaker 1: an independent? Like what would what would be the lane? 159 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: Because I mean, it's stupid that she has the best support, 160 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: the highest support among Democrats. But that is in fact 161 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: where our highest support is of this one, right, But 162 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: apparently so in that donor advisor. Whatever he said, he 163 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,679 Speaker 1: said specifically in a GOP primary in order to quote 164 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: siphon off votes from Trump. Now, I don't think that 165 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: she's going to siphon off anymore. Trump in a national primary. 166 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: This is where it just borders on absolute delusion. Like frankly, 167 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: if anything, let's say, if your desire is to quote 168 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: unquote unsea Trump, I don't think that's possible, but let's 169 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: say it is possible. Well, then what you would want 170 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: to do is coalesce around a single candidate who would 171 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: have some credibility both with the magabase and some so 172 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: called disaffected Republicans, probably Ron DeSantis, although again I do 173 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,199 Speaker 1: not think and I think he thinks well, even in 174 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 1: a head to head primary, I think it would lose. 175 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: But you're going to run Cheney. She would just siphon 176 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: off votes from whomever this so called third way candidate 177 00:08:57,400 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: for the GOP is. So it would probably only repeat 178 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 1: the twenty sixteen primary and be counterproductive to handing Trump 179 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:08,319 Speaker 1: the nomination if that is your so called goal. And 180 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: this isn't all just about grandstanding, so let me say 181 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: that the problem with running anyone against Trump, Chaineing DeSantis, 182 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: Mike Pompeo, Mike Pence, whoever else has been flirting with 183 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 1: it is that he has made the whole Republican Party 184 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 1: about himself. So it doesn't matter if at one point 185 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,079 Speaker 1: you had some credibility with the MAGA. Bas the minute 186 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 1: you're like I'm going up against Trump, I'm trying to 187 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 1: defeat Trump, You're dead to them. So I mean, that's 188 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:40,559 Speaker 1: the problem with it. That's the genius and the big 189 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: issue for the country with how he's so effectively made 190 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: the party solely about how you feel about him. So 191 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: if you oppose him, if you critique him, you are 192 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 1: definitionally a rhino. You know, you are push you are outcast, 193 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: you are censured by censored by the party in places 194 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: like Wyoming and places like Arizona, And so that makes 195 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,959 Speaker 1: it impossible really to defeat this guy. And so I mean, 196 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 1: I guess what I will say for Chaney to kind 197 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: of play Devil's advocate here is at least she has 198 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: a case she's willing to make against Trump, like Ron 199 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:19,079 Speaker 1: DeSantis doesn't even have a case he's willing to make 200 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: against this guy. So at least she has something to 201 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: say if she ran in a primary against him. Now again, 202 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 1: I mean, I think on policy she was with him 203 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: ninety three percent of the time. But at least she 204 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: has a critique of his behavior and his threat to democracy, 205 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: and she has things to say that she is willing 206 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: to say. And I really haven't seen that from anyone 207 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: else other than you know, maybe like a Larry Hogan, 208 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: the governor of Maryland, might be the only other person 209 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: who's kind of willing to take him on in that 210 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: head on way. And hey, listen, I mean that's not 211 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: going to win you a Republican primary. Does it raise 212 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 1: some doubts for some independence for a general election? Maybe? 213 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 1: I mean I could buy into that case. But anyone 214 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: who's like fantasizing that Liz Cheney is going to be 215 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 1: the Republican nominee in twenty twenty four, I don't even 216 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: think that, you know, the Reid Hoffman and his crew, 217 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: I don't think they really think that they believe that 218 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 1: she might be able to dig him up and damage 219 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:16,680 Speaker 1: him and press him on some things that are uncomfortable 220 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: on a debate stage. But that's about all. Yeah, I 221 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: think you're right, all r should we talk about Alaska? 222 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: What do we got called Alaska? Okay? So I'm really 223 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: interested in Alaska because you have two very interesting candidates 224 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: who's you know, who are on the ballot this election season. 225 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: One is Lisa Murkowski, the Senator who also famously sort 226 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: of you know, has been at odds with Trump and 227 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 1: he's trying to defeat her there. And then you have 228 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: Sarah Palin, former governor, former vice presidential candidate who's trying 229 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 1: to make a comeback. Representative Don Young had died while 230 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 1: he's in Obviously, he had held that at large Alaska 231 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: congressional seat for many, many decades and he passed away 232 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: in office, so this is the election to replace him. 233 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: So there's a couple of things that make this to 234 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: me interesting and complicated. Number One, it Alaska has just 235 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:10,559 Speaker 1: implemented rank choice voting. So the way their system works 236 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: now is you have an initial round of voting where 237 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: it's just a free for all Republican, Democrat, Independent, Green Party, 238 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: everybody is on the ballot, and you vote for who 239 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: you want to go to the next round, and the 240 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: top four vote getters top four then go to the 241 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: next iteration to try to actually win the seat. So 242 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:34,959 Speaker 1: that's the one thing that to me makes it really interesting. 243 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: This by the way, I mean, I've given Andrew yangsam 244 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:39,679 Speaker 1: ship the Ford Party and many other people have because 245 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: it doesn't really stand for a whole lot. But the 246 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: one thing that they are pushing for is ranked choice voting, 247 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:44,719 Speaker 1: which is something that I think is a benefit and 248 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: would be good for democracy. Okay, So there's that. The 249 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 1: other piece that makes it a little bit interesting and 250 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: complicated is Palin is on the ballot. Was on the 251 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 1: ballot twice, once for a special election to replace Donya 252 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: right now and serve out the rest of his term 253 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: through November, and then again in the initial round of 254 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 1: that voting process to ultimately, you know, replace him for 255 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: the full term in November. Okay, So if you're still 256 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 1: with me, let me tell you what the results are 257 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 1: in that. Let me pull this up the latest. Here 258 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: you have Murkowski looking like she is in good shape 259 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: to head to the sort of full round of voting 260 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 1: where you will actually decide who is going to be 261 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: the senator next time around. She got was the highest 262 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 1: vote getter with forty four percent at this point. Now 263 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: Alaska takes a long time to get the results in, 264 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 1: so it says they estimated it's sixty nine percent that 265 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 1: has reported thus far. So she's the top vote getter. 266 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: The next highest vote getter is the Trump that candidate Shibaka. 267 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: Is that how you say? It's Hader? I really don't 268 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: want to be honest with you. But anyway, the Trump 269 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: that candidate was second close honor deals and then you 270 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 1: have a bunch of other also brands who are way 271 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: way further down, but they will take the top four 272 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:03,959 Speaker 1: into the into the actual general election when they decide 273 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: who's going to be the US Senator. I think in 274 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: Murkowski's case, the fact that they had this ranked choice 275 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:12,719 Speaker 1: voting instituted means that she's got a shot to hang 276 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 1: on to her seat. Whereas she had to win in 277 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: a Republican primary, she would probably be facing a situation 278 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: much like Liz Cheney. I don't know that she would 279 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: have gotten blown out as bad as Cheney, but I think, 280 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: you know, especially given how close these vote totals are 281 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: in the initial route, it pretty likely that she would 282 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: have had a problem in a Republican primary. So that's Murkowski. 283 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: I think she may be saved by ranked choice voting 284 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: and the fact that you have this wide open you know, 285 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: what they call a jungle primary. Then you have the 286 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: Palin race, and this one's very interesting because the three 287 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: main contenders in the for Don Young's seat are Palin Begich, 288 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: who's another Republican but more of a moderate figure and 289 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: that meme is very famous in Alaska, though most of 290 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: most beggages in Alaska are Democrats. But he's going to say, 291 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: I remember, yes, indeed, yes, indeed, it's sort of one 292 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: of these like well known political families in Alaska. They're 293 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: all Democrats except for this case. And then you've got 294 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: a Democrat, uh, Mary Peltola. And so because and the 295 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: fourth top vote getter in the initial open primary actually 296 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: dropped down and endorsed Peltola, who is the Democrat. So 297 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 1: in this uh special election that will fill out the 298 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: remainder of Don Young's term, the Democrat is actually leading 299 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: in the first choice voting thirty eight percent, Pale in 300 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: a second at thirty two percent, and Begage is third 301 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: at twenty nine percent. What will happen now is they 302 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: will take the top two. If no one gets the majority, 303 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: which they're not going to, they'll take the top two. 304 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 1: Begage will be kicked off, and then everybody's second choice 305 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: who voted for Veggage, those will be added onto the 306 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: totals and you keep doing that until you come up 307 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: with a majority of somebody willing a majority of the vote. 308 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: So in theory, the Democrat could actually win because Palin 309 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: is so polarizing that a lot of beggage voters, even 310 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:16,760 Speaker 1: though he's a Republican and Peltola is a Democrat, it's 311 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: possible a lot of them actually put her a second choice. 312 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: So for Murkowski, to make a long story short, and 313 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: I know this a little bit complex, but for Murkowski, 314 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: it looks like ranked choice voting might save her. For Palin, 315 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: who was the top vote getter in the first round 316 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: jungle primary, it may be actually what ends up tanking her, 317 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: but it's unclear, and she's still got a really good 318 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: shot at winning this as well. In fact, I think 319 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: she probably is still the favorite to win this seat. 320 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: So that's what it looks like. Yeah, well, actually, this 321 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: is the argument for ranked choice voting, which is that 322 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: part of the problem with you know, divided primaries and 323 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 1: polarizing candidates is that while they might get an outright 324 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: like outright plurality, that in terms of a majority, they 325 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 1: never would have gotten that rank choice makes it so 326 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: that the person who is the least polarizing and the 327 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: most consensus person is generally arrived on Actually, you know, 328 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: fan of ranked choice voting. By the way, for those 329 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:13,479 Speaker 1: who are wondering Glenn Youngkin won the GOP primary because 330 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: of ranked choice voting at the Democratic convention. Just to 331 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: be clear why, I actually didn't have what type of 332 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: politicians that. Yeah, they rigged the primary because they didn't 333 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: want the Corey Stewart, you know, reducts of what happened 334 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 1: the previous time, and I mean, listen, it worked. Alaska also, frankly, 335 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: is rigging your primary specifically for Murkowski and for these 336 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 1: type of candidates, Yes, by able bunting rank choice voting, 337 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,320 Speaker 1: which is kind of interesting. I mean, I think that 338 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: Murkowski's people were involved in getting this through and getting 339 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:43,640 Speaker 1: this institute because they knew it would better than go her. 340 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,479 Speaker 1: But I am a fan of rape choice voting, just 341 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: even to put some of the complicated mechanics of it aside, 342 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: because it just allows you to actually vote for her 343 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 1: you want and not worry about like, oh gosh, am 344 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: I going to be a spoiler if I vote for like, 345 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: for example, in this situation, you probably would have had 346 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 1: a lot of people who wanted to vote for the Democrat. 347 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 1: Or we're like, I don't know if the Democrat has 348 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 1: a shot in Alaska's the maybe I really need to 349 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: vote for this baggage, dude, Right, maybe he's the one 350 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 1: who has the best shot. Instead, you get to actually 351 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:13,439 Speaker 1: legitimately vote for who you like the best. And to me, 352 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: that's a power you know, that recommends it pretty powerfully, 353 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: just that quality alone, and not to mention, it does 354 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: give third party candidates more of a chance for exactly 355 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:24,959 Speaker 1: that reason, because you don't have a bunch of like 356 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 1: you know, resistance lives out there like yelling at how 357 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: you're ruining democracy because you're voting for the Green Party 358 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: or whatever. So I am a fan, and this is 359 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:37,439 Speaker 1: an illustration of the way that it creates a very 360 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: different dynamic. I mean, it's possible in Wyoming if it 361 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,440 Speaker 1: had been right choice voting. I don't know that Liz 362 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 1: Cheney would have won, but she would have had a 363 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: much better shot than she had in a Republican primary. 364 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:50,640 Speaker 1: So it does kind of change the It really does 365 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: shape the electoral environment and change the type of candidates 366 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: that you end up getting. Yeah, I think it's really fascinating. 367 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 1: We're gonna watch Obviously, we'll have an update on the 368 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: show tomorrow. I think the final ballots for Nick Badge 369 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 1: will exhaust sometime soon, and we're filming this early in 370 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 1: the morning on Wednesday, so we'll figure it out. But 371 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 1: two very very interesting results, I guess. I like, I said, 372 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: I'll do a monologue. We'll have more for everybody tomorrow. 373 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:18,640 Speaker 1: But I'm glad we were able to do this. Was fun. Yeah, absolutely, 374 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: and it'll be it'll be interesting if Palin ends up 375 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: back in our cool. I want to come kind of 376 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: weird flashback, Well, I said, yesterday and my monologue. I 377 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: went and started like watching, Okay, what she's saying these days, 378 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,360 Speaker 1: Like what's she up to, what's her rhetoric like? And 379 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: I was expecting it to be really nutty, and I 380 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: mean it's Sarah Palin, so of course it is kind 381 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:47,919 Speaker 1: of nutty, but she seems so tame to the maga 382 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: stars of today that it was it was very interesting 383 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 1: for me. I was like, oh, because I mean she 384 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: was a real bomb through. I mean, she was so divised, 385 00:19:56,640 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: so polarizing and just sort of the the cutting edge 386 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 1: of that type of aesthetic, like the trumpy aesthetic. And 387 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:06,880 Speaker 1: now there are a lot of people who have taken 388 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: it a lot farther than she is going at this point. 389 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:15,879 Speaker 1: So imagine, yes, just thinking Michelle Bachmann and Sarah Palin 390 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: for me desirable. Yeah. Well, and then the last thing 391 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 1: I'll say about the pilot, because I'm kind of interested 392 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: in it, is for Alaskan's what at least it looks like. 393 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 1: And I can't claim to be an expert on Alaska politics. 394 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: But people still have a lot of reservations about the 395 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: fact that she quit when she was her and like, 396 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: you know, she quit, she cashed out, she chased fame 397 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: and kind of left us high and dry and forgot 398 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: where she came from. The show was made like a 399 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 1: moose hunting show. Did she have some like Alaska reality show? 400 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,679 Speaker 1: I think there was some like wasn't there like a 401 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: palein family reality show or something? And then she was 402 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: on was it not Dancing with the Star? I remember 403 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: the fury like she was wearing a bear suit or 404 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 1: something on some sort of dancing show. I don't know anyway, 405 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 1: the sense that seems to yeah, she was, she was 406 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,960 Speaker 1: on the are interviewed. She was on Dancing with Stars, 407 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 1: like she abandoned them. Dancing with the Stars, Yes, in 408 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: a furree bear bear suit, hot takers. I don't remember. 409 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: I didn't watch a disgrace Okay, anyway, We'll see you 410 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: guys tomorrow, see Yo tomorrow.