1 00:00:11,697 --> 00:00:14,977 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Buck Sexton Show podcast, make sure 2 00:00:14,977 --> 00:00:17,977 Speaker 1: you subscribe to the podcast on the iHeartRadio app or 3 00:00:18,017 --> 00:00:19,737 Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. 4 00:00:20,497 --> 00:00:23,657 Speaker 2: Why don't we make of this massive operation by the 5 00:00:23,777 --> 00:00:28,617 Speaker 2: Ukrainians to strike at strategic bombers deep thousands of miles 6 00:00:28,697 --> 00:00:33,097 Speaker 2: deep inside of Russia using drones. Got a great guest 7 00:00:33,137 --> 00:00:35,737 Speaker 2: to dive into this with. Josiah Lippencott is with us. 8 00:00:35,777 --> 00:00:40,097 Speaker 2: He is a PhD candidate at Hillsdale College. Very well done, sir, 9 00:00:40,137 --> 00:00:44,617 Speaker 2: and a former marine as well. Josiah, just talk talk 10 00:00:44,657 --> 00:00:47,017 Speaker 2: a bit about this operation. What do you think it 11 00:00:47,097 --> 00:00:49,977 Speaker 2: shows and what do you think it does? If anything? 12 00:00:50,017 --> 00:00:52,377 Speaker 2: Given that there's these peace talks that are happening now, 13 00:00:52,417 --> 00:00:53,177 Speaker 2: how do you see all this? 14 00:00:54,697 --> 00:00:57,897 Speaker 1: Yeah, this war, I believe, is just absolutely crazy and 15 00:00:57,937 --> 00:01:02,697 Speaker 1: it's nihilistic, it's destructive. American involvement in Ukraine has been 16 00:01:02,697 --> 00:01:05,457 Speaker 1: a disaster for the American people, and I think what 17 00:01:05,577 --> 00:01:08,657 Speaker 1: it shows is that the foreign policy expert class that 18 00:01:08,657 --> 00:01:12,697 Speaker 1: got us into this conflict have demonstrated a completely irrational 19 00:01:12,777 --> 00:01:17,097 Speaker 1: understanding of global geopolitics. What Ukraine is doing is dangerous. 20 00:01:17,257 --> 00:01:19,697 Speaker 1: I think it's stupid for themselves and it is what 21 00:01:19,777 --> 00:01:21,737 Speaker 1: The real problem here is that the United States is 22 00:01:21,777 --> 00:01:24,497 Speaker 1: deeply involved, and I would not be surprised to learn 23 00:01:24,937 --> 00:01:27,257 Speaker 1: that the United States or some element within the American 24 00:01:27,297 --> 00:01:30,297 Speaker 1: government help plan an attack on what is essentially Russian 25 00:01:30,377 --> 00:01:34,097 Speaker 1: nuclear capability. And it doesn't matter what you think about 26 00:01:34,137 --> 00:01:37,017 Speaker 1: the morality of the Russian regime. We need to be 27 00:01:37,057 --> 00:01:40,937 Speaker 1: thinking in a serious way about the wider ramifications of 28 00:01:40,937 --> 00:01:44,257 Speaker 1: this conflict, and that means we need to come back 29 00:01:44,297 --> 00:01:44,897 Speaker 1: to reality. 30 00:01:45,057 --> 00:01:46,057 Speaker 3: We need to come out. 31 00:01:45,937 --> 00:01:49,417 Speaker 1: Of the dream world of moralism that the American left 32 00:01:50,177 --> 00:01:51,577 Speaker 1: has adopted as its framework. 33 00:01:52,897 --> 00:01:57,017 Speaker 2: So what do you think the Trump administration should do, 34 00:01:57,217 --> 00:02:00,697 Speaker 2: if anything, other than what they are doing, or how 35 00:02:00,737 --> 00:02:02,857 Speaker 2: do you see the efforts to bring about the ceaspar 36 00:02:02,977 --> 00:02:05,497 Speaker 2: so far? Because you know Trump, I mean, I remember 37 00:02:05,537 --> 00:02:07,697 Speaker 2: I talked to him about this, gosh a few years ago, 38 00:02:07,817 --> 00:02:11,337 Speaker 2: even when Russia, when Russia invaded, and he was just saying, look, 39 00:02:11,337 --> 00:02:13,017 Speaker 2: it wouldn't have happen under my watch. I think he's 40 00:02:13,017 --> 00:02:14,857 Speaker 2: on a very strong ground there because it didn't happen 41 00:02:14,897 --> 00:02:16,617 Speaker 2: on his watch, and it very easily could have. He 42 00:02:16,657 --> 00:02:18,377 Speaker 2: also said, I'm gonna bring this to an end very 43 00:02:18,417 --> 00:02:22,897 Speaker 2: very quickly, very quickly. Is subject to interpretation, But certainly 44 00:02:22,937 --> 00:02:25,857 Speaker 2: so far it feels like Putin isn't feeling the kind 45 00:02:25,857 --> 00:02:28,377 Speaker 2: of heat that might be necessary to get him to 46 00:02:28,417 --> 00:02:31,817 Speaker 2: get to a ceasefire. Or is this what you expect, David, 47 00:02:31,897 --> 00:02:35,257 Speaker 2: How do you see that part of the negotiations up 48 00:02:35,377 --> 00:02:35,897 Speaker 2: until now. 49 00:02:37,217 --> 00:02:39,737 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say I'm at the point right now 50 00:02:39,857 --> 00:02:44,017 Speaker 1: that Trump should relieve anyone who's telling him that he 51 00:02:44,017 --> 00:02:47,217 Speaker 1: can bring the war to an end through negotiating pressure 52 00:02:47,257 --> 00:02:50,577 Speaker 1: on Putin. I think that simply is not in the 53 00:02:50,617 --> 00:02:54,137 Speaker 1: cards right now. The real problem here is Ukraine. The 54 00:02:54,217 --> 00:02:57,657 Speaker 1: problem is is they have all this foreign curtain weapons. 55 00:02:57,777 --> 00:03:03,337 Speaker 1: They are wedded to I believe, an insane nationalistic not 56 00:03:03,377 --> 00:03:05,777 Speaker 1: even nationalistic, because what they're really doing is siding with 57 00:03:05,817 --> 00:03:09,417 Speaker 1: the West against their near abroad superpower neighbor and for 58 00:03:09,497 --> 00:03:13,017 Speaker 1: the Russian whether right or wrong, they believe Ukraine is 59 00:03:13,057 --> 00:03:16,057 Speaker 1: an integral part of their sphere of influence and they 60 00:03:16,057 --> 00:03:18,897 Speaker 1: are not going to tolerate Western influence there. And if 61 00:03:18,897 --> 00:03:20,977 Speaker 1: you look at the history of the color revolutions that 62 00:03:21,017 --> 00:03:25,097 Speaker 1: the United States government sponsored in Ukraine on Russian borders, 63 00:03:25,497 --> 00:03:28,697 Speaker 1: if what we had done to Ukraine was done to us, 64 00:03:28,977 --> 00:03:33,137 Speaker 1: we would be livid. We would have problems, for instance, 65 00:03:33,217 --> 00:03:35,537 Speaker 1: and we have had problems, you know, for instance, with 66 00:03:35,737 --> 00:03:39,057 Speaker 1: the placement of nuclear weapons from a foreign superpower on 67 00:03:39,097 --> 00:03:41,577 Speaker 1: this continent. That was the you know, the Cuba crisis 68 00:03:41,617 --> 00:03:45,337 Speaker 1: in the nineteen sixties. So what I'm seeing now is 69 00:03:45,377 --> 00:03:49,457 Speaker 1: that Pudin wants Ukraine solved. And what that means right 70 00:03:49,497 --> 00:03:53,137 Speaker 1: now is killing as many Ukrainians as possible, dragging out 71 00:03:53,177 --> 00:03:53,497 Speaker 1: the war. 72 00:03:53,977 --> 00:03:54,817 Speaker 3: You know, a lot of. 73 00:03:54,777 --> 00:03:57,857 Speaker 1: American policy makers say this war is a good investment 74 00:03:58,097 --> 00:04:00,617 Speaker 1: because we're able to bleed Russia, and I think the 75 00:04:00,657 --> 00:04:03,657 Speaker 1: Russians are saying that in reverse, this war is a 76 00:04:03,657 --> 00:04:06,257 Speaker 1: great investment because it's a way to bleed NATO and 77 00:04:06,337 --> 00:04:09,937 Speaker 1: bleed Ukraine, and you're essentially solving two problems at once. 78 00:04:10,177 --> 00:04:12,737 Speaker 1: And it's true they're taking heavy casualties, but they are 79 00:04:12,777 --> 00:04:15,537 Speaker 1: willing to do so because Russia wants to be sovereign 80 00:04:15,697 --> 00:04:17,737 Speaker 1: and they see this as integral to their sovereignty. 81 00:04:18,177 --> 00:04:19,497 Speaker 3: And at a. 82 00:04:19,377 --> 00:04:22,577 Speaker 1: Deeper level, the reason that we're involved in Ukraine is 83 00:04:22,617 --> 00:04:24,937 Speaker 1: and Z the big new Brazinski, the former National security 84 00:04:24,937 --> 00:04:27,897 Speaker 1: advisor for Jimmy Carter, in his book on the subject, 85 00:04:27,937 --> 00:04:29,697 Speaker 1: he's saying, the reason we need to care about Ukraine 86 00:04:29,897 --> 00:04:33,177 Speaker 1: is because Stalin and Hitler cared about Ukraine, and I 87 00:04:33,217 --> 00:04:36,417 Speaker 1: would argue that for the United States today, we should 88 00:04:36,457 --> 00:04:39,537 Speaker 1: not root our foreign policy in what Adolf Hitler and 89 00:04:39,617 --> 00:04:42,937 Speaker 1: Joseph Stalin thought was important to them. That's not the 90 00:04:42,977 --> 00:04:45,417 Speaker 1: way we should think about geopolitics. We need to think 91 00:04:45,417 --> 00:04:48,137 Speaker 1: about this war from the standpoint of what is good 92 00:04:48,137 --> 00:04:51,217 Speaker 1: for the American people and getting into a conflict that 93 00:04:51,257 --> 00:04:56,137 Speaker 1: threatens to bleed into a wider conventional conflict involving European states, 94 00:04:56,617 --> 00:05:00,737 Speaker 1: potentially nuclear exchange, though that would be a major step. 95 00:05:01,017 --> 00:05:04,137 Speaker 1: It's just it's all risk and there's no real reward here. 96 00:05:04,257 --> 00:05:07,897 Speaker 1: We are embarrassing ourselves on the inter on the international 97 00:05:07,937 --> 00:05:11,017 Speaker 1: scene because we can't bring the war to a close. 98 00:05:11,057 --> 00:05:15,337 Speaker 1: We can't put enough pressure on Russia. They're immense natural resources. 99 00:05:15,377 --> 00:05:19,777 Speaker 1: Their willingness to suffer and their dedication to solving what 100 00:05:19,817 --> 00:05:22,177 Speaker 1: they see as a problem on their border is really 101 00:05:22,217 --> 00:05:24,577 Speaker 1: redounding back on us in a way that it's extremely 102 00:05:24,697 --> 00:05:27,417 Speaker 1: destructive for us right now. I would say, if President 103 00:05:27,417 --> 00:05:31,097 Speaker 1: Trump wants peace, the side that needs to feel pressure 104 00:05:31,217 --> 00:05:34,137 Speaker 1: is Ukraine, and that means putting pressure on the forces 105 00:05:34,177 --> 00:05:37,377 Speaker 1: and the American government that want to keep this war going. 106 00:05:37,617 --> 00:05:40,097 Speaker 1: That means putting pressure on the Senate, it means putting 107 00:05:40,097 --> 00:05:43,777 Speaker 1: pressure on the foreign policy establishment in DC, and putting 108 00:05:43,817 --> 00:05:47,217 Speaker 1: pressure on the Europeans. We need to frame an international 109 00:05:47,337 --> 00:05:49,377 Speaker 1: order in a way that the great powers can live 110 00:05:49,457 --> 00:05:52,577 Speaker 1: together in relative peace. 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All right, Josiah, So we had this Terottech. 142 00:07:14,137 --> 00:07:18,177 Speaker 2: Did you see the CNN clowns who this guy's yelling 143 00:07:18,497 --> 00:07:23,377 Speaker 2: free Palestine at a vigil for you know, the hostages 144 00:07:23,457 --> 00:07:27,137 Speaker 2: that Hamas has taken. He's yelling free Palestine. I think 145 00:07:27,137 --> 00:07:30,137 Speaker 2: his name is like Mohammad something or other. And the 146 00:07:30,137 --> 00:07:32,617 Speaker 2: people went on CNN the so called national security experts, 147 00:07:32,617 --> 00:07:34,897 Speaker 2: including the former deputy Director of the FBI, mckayb who's 148 00:07:34,897 --> 00:07:38,057 Speaker 2: a world class comeback, and they said, we shouldn't jump 149 00:07:38,057 --> 00:07:40,977 Speaker 2: to conclusions about this. You can't make this stuff up. 150 00:07:42,657 --> 00:07:44,177 Speaker 3: Indeed, we cannot. I heard. 151 00:07:44,217 --> 00:07:48,537 Speaker 1: I also understand from Bill Melgwin that this guy is 152 00:07:49,417 --> 00:07:52,457 Speaker 1: an illegal immigrant, that he was a visa overstay from 153 00:07:52,457 --> 00:07:54,617 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three right in by the Biden people. 154 00:07:55,817 --> 00:07:58,577 Speaker 3: Yeah, excuse me, yeah, And you know, you've got this guy. 155 00:07:59,417 --> 00:08:03,657 Speaker 1: Who's an illegal immigrant, who is invested in this foreign conflict. 156 00:08:03,937 --> 00:08:06,817 Speaker 1: And so because of our immigration policies and because of 157 00:08:06,817 --> 00:08:11,097 Speaker 1: our interventions broad we now have these conflicts playing. 158 00:08:10,857 --> 00:08:11,777 Speaker 3: Out in our own streets. 159 00:08:12,057 --> 00:08:13,257 Speaker 1: And I don't know if you saw there was a 160 00:08:13,297 --> 00:08:16,937 Speaker 1: trans Pride flag in the background of this guy throwing 161 00:08:17,537 --> 00:08:20,257 Speaker 1: you know, malotov cocktails and you know, burning these people, 162 00:08:20,417 --> 00:08:23,417 Speaker 1: this gaza, you know, this Gaza vigil, and it just 163 00:08:23,897 --> 00:08:26,897 Speaker 1: this is clown world. This is insane. 164 00:08:27,017 --> 00:08:27,977 Speaker 3: We can't have this. 165 00:08:28,457 --> 00:08:30,817 Speaker 1: I've said before and I'm gonna say it again. We 166 00:08:30,897 --> 00:08:35,737 Speaker 1: should absolutely any person flying a foreign flag and protesting 167 00:08:35,777 --> 00:08:38,297 Speaker 1: on behalf of that country in the United States should 168 00:08:38,297 --> 00:08:41,937 Speaker 1: be deported to that country. I am so tired of 169 00:08:41,977 --> 00:08:45,897 Speaker 1: having these foreign conflicts happening. In my communities. It's bad 170 00:08:45,897 --> 00:08:46,257 Speaker 1: for us. 171 00:08:47,417 --> 00:08:50,977 Speaker 2: It strikes me as particularly absurd that you have so 172 00:08:51,097 --> 00:08:55,617 Speaker 2: many people who come into this country pretending that they 173 00:08:55,657 --> 00:08:59,297 Speaker 2: want asylum, and then when they're here waiting for their 174 00:08:59,337 --> 00:09:02,737 Speaker 2: fake asylum in this case, guy's a terrorist. But even 175 00:09:02,777 --> 00:09:06,577 Speaker 2: beyond that, you have them engaging in political agitation on 176 00:09:06,617 --> 00:09:11,297 Speaker 2: our soil. So you're imagine the mentality of my home 177 00:09:11,337 --> 00:09:13,857 Speaker 2: country is such a crap hole that I need to 178 00:09:13,897 --> 00:09:16,057 Speaker 2: be with you guys because it's unsafe for me to 179 00:09:16,097 --> 00:09:18,017 Speaker 2: go home. As we know, this isn't even really true. 180 00:09:18,577 --> 00:09:21,577 Speaker 2: There's all these cases of like Somali refugees, for example, 181 00:09:21,697 --> 00:09:23,497 Speaker 2: a lot of them are in the Minnesota or in 182 00:09:23,537 --> 00:09:29,297 Speaker 2: Minnesota and they've gotten you know, refugee status or asylum, 183 00:09:29,657 --> 00:09:32,017 Speaker 2: and then they go home on vacation here and there 184 00:09:32,057 --> 00:09:33,497 Speaker 2: to go back to some mall you to like visit 185 00:09:33,537 --> 00:09:36,457 Speaker 2: friends and family. You're like, if you need asylum from 186 00:09:36,457 --> 00:09:39,257 Speaker 2: a place, you're not going there on vacation. But it's 187 00:09:39,297 --> 00:09:41,657 Speaker 2: a scam, right, The whole thing is a scam. And 188 00:09:41,697 --> 00:09:43,657 Speaker 2: I think that people are seeing more and more of that, 189 00:09:43,737 --> 00:09:47,577 Speaker 2: and that's important because finally the truth is coming out. 190 00:09:48,297 --> 00:09:51,417 Speaker 1: Yeah, we need to have a sovereign country. That means 191 00:09:51,897 --> 00:09:55,017 Speaker 1: we need to have the right to stay neutral in 192 00:09:55,097 --> 00:09:58,497 Speaker 1: conflicts abroad. And that's so hard for liberals to hear 193 00:09:58,617 --> 00:10:01,297 Speaker 1: because what they want to do is care about everywhere, 194 00:10:01,337 --> 00:10:01,697 Speaker 1: all the. 195 00:10:01,657 --> 00:10:02,737 Speaker 3: Time in the same way. 196 00:10:02,937 --> 00:10:05,297 Speaker 1: And my argument is we need to have the ability 197 00:10:05,337 --> 00:10:08,137 Speaker 1: to just say we're taking a step back, because if 198 00:10:08,137 --> 00:10:11,657 Speaker 1: we don't, then we're seeing we see now we're invested 199 00:10:11,697 --> 00:10:15,417 Speaker 1: in conflicts happening half a world away, and then these 200 00:10:15,457 --> 00:10:18,017 Speaker 1: conflicts end up back here. This is this is not 201 00:10:18,137 --> 00:10:20,857 Speaker 1: a good way to have a successful country. 202 00:10:21,857 --> 00:10:25,937 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that the explosion of lunacy that we're 203 00:10:25,937 --> 00:10:28,897 Speaker 2: seeing on these college campuses too. It's funny you're you're 204 00:10:28,897 --> 00:10:31,857 Speaker 2: a Hillsdale PhD student and you have all these all 205 00:10:31,857 --> 00:10:34,577 Speaker 2: these Democrats who will say, well, how would you feel 206 00:10:34,577 --> 00:10:37,737 Speaker 2: about Hillsdale if they didn't get their hundreds of millions 207 00:10:37,777 --> 00:10:40,377 Speaker 2: of dollars in the federal government. It's like, you, guys, 208 00:10:40,377 --> 00:10:42,097 Speaker 2: don't you know. People just don't get it, Like the 209 00:10:42,137 --> 00:10:44,137 Speaker 2: scam has been run so long that they have no 210 00:10:44,257 --> 00:10:47,737 Speaker 2: sense of the Democrats have already done everything they can 211 00:10:47,857 --> 00:10:51,097 Speaker 2: to leverage the public purse for their side and to 212 00:10:51,177 --> 00:10:55,217 Speaker 2: take over these institutions and any competing institution. Of course, 213 00:10:55,257 --> 00:10:58,697 Speaker 2: they make sure they don't get any federal dollars. 214 00:10:58,537 --> 00:11:01,897 Speaker 1: Right well, and I think at this point I don't 215 00:11:01,937 --> 00:11:03,657 Speaker 1: want to get federal money. What I want to do 216 00:11:03,777 --> 00:11:06,777 Speaker 1: is take away federal money from the left. If you 217 00:11:06,857 --> 00:11:11,177 Speaker 1: took away taxpayer funding for the radical left today, almost 218 00:11:11,217 --> 00:11:15,137 Speaker 1: all the stuff would immediately implode. Americans do not want 219 00:11:15,137 --> 00:11:18,217 Speaker 1: this crazy and that's what the last election really showed us. 220 00:11:18,457 --> 00:11:20,657 Speaker 1: Americans want a new pathway forward. They want to have 221 00:11:20,657 --> 00:11:22,617 Speaker 1: a real country. They want to have law and order. 222 00:11:22,817 --> 00:11:24,657 Speaker 1: They want to get out of these stupid wars. They 223 00:11:24,657 --> 00:11:27,777 Speaker 1: want inflation to go down. They want sound money, they 224 00:11:27,857 --> 00:11:30,777 Speaker 1: want a free market where they can't they're not being 225 00:11:30,777 --> 00:11:33,817 Speaker 1: oppressed by the state everywhere they go. And to have that, 226 00:11:33,857 --> 00:11:35,697 Speaker 1: we need to have border security, and we need to 227 00:11:35,737 --> 00:11:37,137 Speaker 1: have a sane foreign policy. 228 00:11:37,457 --> 00:11:40,257 Speaker 3: And this is an easy layup, easy layup. 229 00:11:40,377 --> 00:11:42,657 Speaker 2: It has been interesting to me to see that the 230 00:11:42,777 --> 00:11:47,537 Speaker 2: usual tactics you remember, I'm sure under the first Trump term, 231 00:11:48,417 --> 00:11:53,937 Speaker 2: Ocasio Cortes, congresswoman aoc down at the border holding the fence, 232 00:11:53,977 --> 00:11:55,937 Speaker 2: did like a photo shoot, you know, like she was, 233 00:11:56,537 --> 00:11:58,497 Speaker 2: you know, on the cover of Vanity Fair or something, 234 00:11:58,497 --> 00:12:01,137 Speaker 2: you know, photo shoot is crying, and it's also inhumane 235 00:12:01,137 --> 00:12:06,457 Speaker 2: and also horrible. The teary eyed oh my gosh, how 236 00:12:06,497 --> 00:12:08,937 Speaker 2: could they do this stuff isn't working as well, especially 237 00:12:08,977 --> 00:12:13,137 Speaker 2: when the Democrats are rallying around somebody like Abrego Garcia 238 00:12:13,137 --> 00:12:16,097 Speaker 2: who got sent to Al Salvador, who is a reputed 239 00:12:16,137 --> 00:12:18,737 Speaker 2: member of MS thirteen. It turns out they couldn't turn 240 00:12:18,777 --> 00:12:22,177 Speaker 2: on the water works enough with all the tears to 241 00:12:22,257 --> 00:12:26,817 Speaker 2: make people normal Americans care about some non American who 242 00:12:26,897 --> 00:12:28,177 Speaker 2: got sent back to his country. 243 00:12:29,817 --> 00:12:32,657 Speaker 1: Yes, and I think it was Twitter user captive Dreamer 244 00:12:32,697 --> 00:12:36,937 Speaker 1: who had he found all the Instagram photos of Garcia's 245 00:12:37,097 --> 00:12:40,377 Speaker 1: MS thirteen tattoos on his knuckle that his girlfriend had 246 00:12:40,377 --> 00:12:43,337 Speaker 1: tried to cover up. And you're just like, this is 247 00:12:43,377 --> 00:12:45,217 Speaker 1: who the Democrats. 248 00:12:44,617 --> 00:12:47,817 Speaker 3: Are gonna weep for. This is their hero. I mean, 249 00:12:47,857 --> 00:12:49,377 Speaker 3: these the Democrats and the left. 250 00:12:49,377 --> 00:12:51,857 Speaker 1: The great news for those of us who are saying 251 00:12:52,137 --> 00:12:54,097 Speaker 1: is that our opponents are are nuts. 252 00:12:54,377 --> 00:12:56,417 Speaker 3: They have no grasp on reality. 253 00:12:56,457 --> 00:12:58,777 Speaker 1: They are literally going to bat for these gang bangers, 254 00:12:59,017 --> 00:12:59,937 Speaker 1: and who. 255 00:12:59,657 --> 00:13:01,737 Speaker 3: By the way, cares about ordinary Americans. 256 00:13:02,017 --> 00:13:05,377 Speaker 1: Who is really invested in trying to since you know, 257 00:13:06,297 --> 00:13:09,177 Speaker 1: you know, keep fentol from flowing into the country. 258 00:13:09,217 --> 00:13:11,017 Speaker 3: I think. I saw an article today. 259 00:13:10,897 --> 00:13:14,737 Speaker 1: Some media outlet was like, well, it's true, Finnyl shipments 260 00:13:14,737 --> 00:13:17,177 Speaker 1: are decreasing across the border, and it's like, right, because 261 00:13:17,177 --> 00:13:18,137 Speaker 1: Trump is president. 262 00:13:18,457 --> 00:13:20,777 Speaker 3: That's the reason that these things are happening. 263 00:13:20,817 --> 00:13:24,297 Speaker 1: We finally have American leadership that cares about Americans, and 264 00:13:24,857 --> 00:13:28,817 Speaker 1: right now the left is wetting itself to crazy and 265 00:13:28,897 --> 00:13:31,817 Speaker 1: in a way that's terrible for the country, but it 266 00:13:31,857 --> 00:13:33,337 Speaker 1: is good for those of us who want to try 267 00:13:33,337 --> 00:13:34,417 Speaker 1: and restore sanity here. 268 00:13:34,697 --> 00:13:36,577 Speaker 2: What do you think about what we know, at least 269 00:13:36,617 --> 00:13:41,057 Speaker 2: so far, of what Secretary of Defense hag Seth and 270 00:13:41,097 --> 00:13:43,657 Speaker 2: his team are trying to do over the Pentagon? Your marine, 271 00:13:43,817 --> 00:13:48,537 Speaker 2: former marine? Is this the kind of stuff that you 272 00:13:48,537 --> 00:13:51,417 Speaker 2: would have expected? Do you want to see more? I 273 00:13:51,457 --> 00:13:55,097 Speaker 2: just wanted your assessment of some of the policy changes underway, 274 00:13:55,137 --> 00:13:57,097 Speaker 2: you know, saying like trans troops aren't going to be 275 00:13:57,137 --> 00:13:57,857 Speaker 2: deployed that kind of. 276 00:13:57,817 --> 00:14:01,537 Speaker 3: Stuff, right. I like it. I like hag Seth. 277 00:14:01,737 --> 00:14:05,217 Speaker 1: I think it's all steps in the right direction. They're 278 00:14:05,257 --> 00:14:09,057 Speaker 1: getting back to a culture that's oriented toward winning wars, 279 00:14:09,097 --> 00:14:11,257 Speaker 1: which is what it needs to be right now. And 280 00:14:11,297 --> 00:14:13,617 Speaker 1: so I hear from people I know in the military 281 00:14:14,297 --> 00:14:17,217 Speaker 1: just there's been a more freedom of speech, more freedom 282 00:14:17,257 --> 00:14:20,457 Speaker 1: of thought. That's happening now that you don't have so 283 00:14:20,617 --> 00:14:23,897 Speaker 1: much crazy in charge. I think, however, there's just a 284 00:14:24,017 --> 00:14:26,217 Speaker 1: lot more to do, and I don't blame that on 285 00:14:26,297 --> 00:14:29,737 Speaker 1: Hegseth and his team. I just think the left has 286 00:14:29,817 --> 00:14:33,377 Speaker 1: been burrowing away for so long that it will take 287 00:14:33,457 --> 00:14:36,577 Speaker 1: a lot to get back to really clear and coaching 288 00:14:37,377 --> 00:14:39,097 Speaker 1: understanding of what we need to be doing in terms 289 00:14:39,097 --> 00:14:42,537 Speaker 1: of foreign policy and war fighting capacity. And that's a 290 00:14:42,537 --> 00:14:46,217 Speaker 1: lot of work. And we need to get support for 291 00:14:46,297 --> 00:14:48,617 Speaker 1: Trump now, and then we need to win in twenty eight. 292 00:14:48,697 --> 00:14:50,577 Speaker 1: I want to see jd Vance in there for another 293 00:14:50,617 --> 00:14:53,817 Speaker 1: eight years. We need just time to get these institutions 294 00:14:54,177 --> 00:14:56,537 Speaker 1: as reformed as possible. And Trump has shown us the 295 00:14:56,577 --> 00:14:57,177 Speaker 1: way forward. 296 00:14:57,257 --> 00:14:58,657 Speaker 3: So am I happy about it. 297 00:14:58,657 --> 00:15:01,617 Speaker 1: As a marine, it's awesome. The Biden years were really dark. 298 00:15:01,737 --> 00:15:04,737 Speaker 1: They were really really bad for my men who I 299 00:15:04,777 --> 00:15:07,617 Speaker 1: know stayed in the Marine Corps. Some of them were 300 00:15:07,657 --> 00:15:11,097 Speaker 1: kicked out because of vaccine mandates and it was horrible 301 00:15:11,097 --> 00:15:13,177 Speaker 1: what was done to them and would. 302 00:15:12,977 --> 00:15:13,857 Speaker 3: They need justice? 303 00:15:13,897 --> 00:15:16,697 Speaker 1: And it's just good to know that you have someone 304 00:15:16,977 --> 00:15:20,457 Speaker 1: like Pete Hegseth who is in there. He understands the 305 00:15:20,537 --> 00:15:23,577 Speaker 1: perspective of the guy on the front lines. He's not 306 00:15:23,857 --> 00:15:27,057 Speaker 1: simply a DC bureaucrat, and it's such a bresh of 307 00:15:27,097 --> 00:15:29,617 Speaker 1: fresh air. It's just awesome to have someone like that 308 00:15:29,737 --> 00:15:32,017 Speaker 1: in there. I want him to have success. I want 309 00:15:32,057 --> 00:15:35,177 Speaker 1: him to get these reform throughs, reform through and I 310 00:15:35,177 --> 00:15:36,497 Speaker 1: want to see them go even further. 311 00:15:36,537 --> 00:15:38,457 Speaker 3: There's just a lot more to be done. 312 00:15:38,617 --> 00:15:41,177 Speaker 2: Our sponsor here is the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. 313 00:15:41,257 --> 00:15:44,537 Speaker 2: Israel is under attack. Missil fire has resumed from Huthi's 314 00:15:44,577 --> 00:15:47,697 Speaker 2: hesbela Hamas, and they all seek Israel's destruction. 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It's it's academic 332 00:16:39,377 --> 00:16:43,977 Speaker 1: and scholarly, but my aim is to have citizens and 333 00:16:44,057 --> 00:16:47,537 Speaker 1: policymakers alike be able to read it and gain something 334 00:16:47,577 --> 00:16:47,857 Speaker 1: from it. 335 00:16:48,577 --> 00:16:51,457 Speaker 3: One of the topic, absolutely, yeah. 336 00:16:51,497 --> 00:16:53,577 Speaker 1: So it stems from my time when I was deployed 337 00:16:53,577 --> 00:16:56,777 Speaker 1: to Okinawa back in twenty nineteen and I began to wonder. 338 00:16:56,817 --> 00:17:00,297 Speaker 1: I said, why are we still here in Japan seventy 339 00:17:00,297 --> 00:17:03,097 Speaker 1: five years after the Second World War? And that question 340 00:17:03,337 --> 00:17:06,257 Speaker 1: led me to consider why did we fight the Empire 341 00:17:06,257 --> 00:17:10,417 Speaker 1: of Japan to begin with? And it was helpful to 342 00:17:10,457 --> 00:17:13,697 Speaker 1: contrast the Founder's foreign policy, which aimed at the protection 343 00:17:13,937 --> 00:17:17,377 Speaker 1: of American rights, which with the much more crusading foreign 344 00:17:17,377 --> 00:17:21,977 Speaker 1: policy of the later liberals like Woodrow Wilson and Franklin Roosevelt. 345 00:17:22,337 --> 00:17:25,697 Speaker 1: And it was helpful to see those two things. In contrast, 346 00:17:25,977 --> 00:17:29,457 Speaker 1: the Founders, I believe were much more hard headed. They 347 00:17:29,537 --> 00:17:33,337 Speaker 1: had an understanding of what war was for war is 348 00:17:33,377 --> 00:17:36,177 Speaker 1: designed to protect the rights of Americans, and that means 349 00:17:36,497 --> 00:17:40,097 Speaker 1: we do not want to provoke war because Americans die 350 00:17:40,217 --> 00:17:42,377 Speaker 1: in conflicts and we don't want that to happen. We 351 00:17:42,417 --> 00:17:45,017 Speaker 1: don't want to spend their tax dollars on war unless 352 00:17:45,017 --> 00:17:47,177 Speaker 1: we absolutely have to. And the Founders had a very 353 00:17:47,177 --> 00:17:50,297 Speaker 1: clear framework for thinking about foreign policy engagement, and I 354 00:17:50,337 --> 00:17:54,537 Speaker 1: think policy makers and citizens now we gain from seeing 355 00:17:54,617 --> 00:17:57,577 Speaker 1: their wisdom and understanding it more fully. And that's the 356 00:17:57,617 --> 00:18:01,057 Speaker 1: aim of my dissertation is to take these ideas and 357 00:18:01,097 --> 00:18:03,697 Speaker 1: show their relevance to problems we face in our own time. 358 00:18:04,417 --> 00:18:05,857 Speaker 2: Josiah, appreciate you being with me. 359 00:18:07,057 --> 00:18:08,577 Speaker 3: Buck, thank you so much for your time.