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Speaker 1: If you could ever need to know it about college football,

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Speaker 1: I can promise you this is the podcast for you.

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Speaker 1: Welcome man, I am Josh Payton. Another edition of the

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Speaker 1: Late Kick Extra podcast. It is Wednesday morning. It is June,

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Speaker 1: first year of Our Lord, twenty twenty two. Wherever you're listening,

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Speaker 1: and I'm not going to beg you anymore. We are

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Speaker 1: so loaded this morning. And when I said if you

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Speaker 1: could ever need to know it, this is the pod

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Speaker 1: for you, I mean it. You're about to see over

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Speaker 1: the next seven or eight questions, we're going really deep

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Speaker 2: They got spring meetings.

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Speaker 1: the Thursday night Late Kick Live edition rolls around, will

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Speaker 1: have some stuff to talk about there. But in the meantime,

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Speaker 1: who we're not taking a break, no off season around here,

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Speaker 1: and we're less than an hundred days away from kickoff,

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Speaker 1: so get your game faces on let's dive into the

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Speaker 1: mail bag this morning. First up, Bryce from Port Huron, Michigan.

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Speaker 1: What would have to happen for the SEC to miss

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Speaker 1: realistically fill the void? As you know or you should

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Speaker 1: know by now, this is a total disaster scenario because

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Speaker 1: this world would look like. But yet Bryce is asking us,

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Speaker 1: I was thinking to myself, what kind of scenario would

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Speaker 1: I have to put together? Well, I came up with one. Friends,

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Speaker 1: with one. So let's just say, for the sake of argument,

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Speaker 1: Alabama and Georgia already have a loss going into November.

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Speaker 1: Let's say Obama gets upset at Arkansas. Let's say Georgia

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Speaker 1: So let's say they both have a loss, okay, and

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Speaker 1: and let's say there's just a bunch of churn. There's

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Speaker 1: a bunch of cannibalism going on in the SEC this year,

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Speaker 1: so there's really no undefeated team.

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Speaker 2: There's no perfect team.

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Speaker 1: Georgia and Bama they are the best of the bunches

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Speaker 1: Okay, so let's say we get into rivalry week and

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Speaker 1: Bama's already got the West locked up, but they lose

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Speaker 1: an interesting question to lead us off. As you guys know,

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Speaker 1: that is Brad and Gadston Alabama. Well, Brad, you know

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Speaker 2: Taking the guys who couldn't start there.

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Speaker 1: Like, on the surface, it made no sense, But that's okay,

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Speaker 2: Let's dive beneath the surface.

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Speaker 1: Remember old Nick Saban, who some of you think I

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Speaker 2: Lose some good players to the portal. He didn't stop there.

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Speaker 1: a little more parody. That's not where the Nick Saban

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Speaker 1: He said, we're gonna lose some good players, We're gonna

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Speaker 2: It just it bothered me to no end.

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Speaker 1: playoff expansion or nil, or anything like that. If we

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Speaker 1: just differ in opinion, we differ in opinion, disagreed before.

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Speaker 1: But the folks I disagree with on this whose main

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Speaker 1: It was never going to happen. It's never going to happen.

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Speaker 1: playoff expansion. If you want it, fine, I don't. But

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Speaker 1: you would have legal pushback immediately, but you got a

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Speaker 1: better shot because the Supreme Court is far less likely

438
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Speaker 1: to look at the Big Ten and say you're violating

439
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Speaker 1: anti trust, you are a monopoly than they are the

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Speaker 1: entire country.

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Speaker 2: Because the Big ten's just one conference.

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Speaker 1: The Big Ten could reasonably say if they don't like

443
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Speaker 1: it here, they're free to go somewhere else. But if

444
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Speaker 1: the NCAA is doing it, then those student athletes can

445
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Speaker 1: look at the Supreme Court and say, we got no

446
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Speaker 1: where else to go. They won't let us go pro

447
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Speaker 1: out of high school, so we go over here and

448
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Speaker 1: they make money off of us and we can't make

449
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Speaker 1: money off ourselves. Whether you like that argument or not,

450
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Speaker 1: that's the argument that's stuck at the Supreme Court level.

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Speaker 2: That's the argument that's stuck.

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Speaker 1: So I do think that we're close getting closer to this,

453
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Speaker 1: And I don't know if it would be the Power

454
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Speaker 1: fives combined or if it may just be conferenced by conference.

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Speaker 1: But the other thing that I think has been a

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Speaker 1: debate for a long time that I've been a supporter

457
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Speaker 1: of is a separation between Power five and G five.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot that goes into this.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so let's just pretend we live in an idealistic

460
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Speaker 1: world for a second, where we are strictly constructing college

461
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Speaker 1: football based on what makes the.

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Speaker 2: Most sense to me.

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Speaker 1: It is ludicrous to suggest that Colorado State plays the

464
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Speaker 1: same sport as Ohio State.

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Speaker 2: Ludicrous. They don't play the same sport. They well, let

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Speaker 2: me take that back.

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Speaker 1: They play the same sport, they don't play the same

468
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Speaker 1: level of that sport. But right now we've got this

469
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Speaker 1: conglomeration of one hundred and thirty or whatever it is,

470
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Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty one FBS teams as we call them,

471
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Speaker 1: right now, and they're all allegedly competing for the same championship,

472
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Speaker 1: which is absurd.

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Speaker 2: It's just stupid. Now here's where some of us differ.

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Speaker 1: Some of you look at that and say, yeah, and

475
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Speaker 1: what's messed up is those conferences don't get representation.

476
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Speaker 2: They don't get their shot to play for the championship.

477
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Speaker 1: I look at it, and I say, they don't deserve

478
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Speaker 1: a shot to play for that championship. What they deserve

479
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Speaker 1: is a shot to play for a title they actually

480
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Speaker 1: have a shot at winning. Like right now, if you

481
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Speaker 1: look at the G five, no one ever says they're

482
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Speaker 1: going to win a title. The best prediction you ever

483
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Speaker 1: give the G five is they can make the playoff,

484
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Speaker 1: because we all know what happens if a G five

485
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Speaker 1: team actually gets in the playoff. We saw it with

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati last year. What they should have if we were

487
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Speaker 1: just building the sport as it should be in terms

488
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Speaker 1: of fairness, is we would have a separate G five

489
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Speaker 1: national championship and or playoff. That's what we would have.

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Speaker 1: But then I know a lot of you are already

491
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Speaker 1: yelling at me. What you would have is you would

492
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Speaker 1: have a lot of pushback. That can exist for many reasons,

493
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Speaker 1: most of them are financial, and you are right.

494
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Speaker 2: I understand the reality.

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Speaker 1: That's why I prefaced all this with saying, let's think idealistically,

496
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Speaker 1: as Greg sank you would say in the SEC, let's

497
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Speaker 1: use blue sky, a clear sky thinking. So we probably

498
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Speaker 1: aren't going to get that, but I would be in

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Speaker 1: favor of it.

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Speaker 2: Like I look around and I think.

501
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Speaker 1: It's completely insane to look at a team from the

502
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Speaker 1: Mountain West and if they go undefeated. Listen to someone

503
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Speaker 1: tell me they belong in automatically because they're undefeated.

504
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Speaker 2: I couldn't care less about what your record is.

505
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Speaker 1: I care about what the strength of schedule is, and

506
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Speaker 1: then I care about what your record is.

507
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Speaker 2: But some people aren't interested in that.

508
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Speaker 1: If you go undefeated in this sport, there's a population

509
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Speaker 1: out there that thinks you have accomplished the hardest thing

510
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Speaker 1: in sports. That one of the big lies that we

511
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Speaker 1: have spoken about on this Joe ad Nauseum, is that

512
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Speaker 1: going undefeated is the hardest thing to do in college football.

513
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Speaker 1: That is a lie that is not true. I could

514
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Speaker 1: take half a dozen teams from the Big Ten or

515
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Speaker 1: the SEC and give them certain G five schedules and

516
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Speaker 1: expect them to go undefeated, that they would be favored

517
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Speaker 1: by a touchdown or more in every one of those games.

518
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Speaker 1: That is not the hardest thing to do in the world.

519
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Speaker 1: It is infinitely harder to go ten and two against

520
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Speaker 1: the schedule Arkansas will play this year than to go

521
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Speaker 1: undefeated against the schedule that Colorado State or Boys will play.

522
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Speaker 1: That's no knock on those teams, it's just reality. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: in my perfect world, we'd have a G five playoff

524
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Speaker 1: and we'd have a Power five playoff, it would make

525
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Speaker 1: a lot more sense. We do not live in a

526
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Speaker 1: perfect world. It's like Red said, prison is no fairy

527
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,880
Speaker 1: tale world. Well neither is college football. You know, if

528
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Speaker 1: we had, for instance, our way, if this was a

529
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Speaker 1: perfect world, you would never have to have this happen

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Speaker 1: to you. And from the best ad toss in the business.

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Speaker 1: Back to the best college football podcast in the business,

532
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Speaker 1: or so some of us think at least, and thankfully

533
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Speaker 1: enough of you think that too. Let's dive back Trenton.

534
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Speaker 1: He checks in from Dayton, Ohio. He says, if you

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Speaker 1: were college football commissioner tomorrow, what are the top five

536
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Speaker 1: issues you would fix. I'm short on many things, but

537
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 1: ideas for how to fix the sport not among them.

538
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Speaker 1: First thing, the way we release schedules in this sport

539
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Speaker 1: I want to totally overhaul. I have long since been

540
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Speaker 1: of the opinion it is foolish for me to know

541
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Speaker 1: who Wisconsin's gonna play in twenty thirty. We're done with

542
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Speaker 1: all that. You don't need to know a schedule that

543
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Speaker 1: far in advance. The NFL gets this right. I'm not

544
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Speaker 1: ever one of those guys who says, because the pro

545
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Speaker 1: model does it, the college model needs to do it,

546
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Speaker 1: but in this particular case, the NFL folks have it right.

547
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Speaker 2: Here's what I would.

548
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Speaker 1: Do before spring practices, and I would do it conference

549
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Speaker 1: by conference before their spring practices start.

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Speaker 2: I would have schedule release parties.

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Speaker 1: Essentially, they would be specials on TV, and you would

552
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Speaker 1: find out if you're wake Forest, if you're Auburn, you

553
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Speaker 1: find out who you're gonna play and the order in

554
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Speaker 1: which you're gonna play those teams this year. Maybe you

555
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 1: already know some of the conference games you're gonna play,

556
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Speaker 1: but you would not know the order until right before

557
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Speaker 1: you start springball. That's the first thing I've done. I

558
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Speaker 1: would create a scheduling event in the spring. The second

559
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Speaker 1: thing is I would allow real spring games. I wouldn't

560
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Speaker 1: force you to do it, but I would give incentive

561
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Speaker 1: and I would work with our TV partners, whether it's

562
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Speaker 1: CBS or ESPN or Fox, and I would say, I

563
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Speaker 1: want to subsidize anybody out there. If Oklahoma State wants

564
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Speaker 1: to go get the Citadel to play in their spring game,

565
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Speaker 1: We're going to allocate funding for it. We're going to

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Speaker 1: pay the Citadel that big paycheck they would normally get

567
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Speaker 1: in the fall.

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Speaker 2: The dial a W model will.

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Speaker 1: Pay them that huge amount of money in the spring

570
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Speaker 1: because you're going to give us a TV product. In return,

571
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Speaker 1: we will give you TV time, so you'll get the exposure.

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Speaker 1: So it's a win win for everyone. The fans get

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Speaker 1: an actual event to go to if you want to

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Speaker 1: bet on it. I don't think we ever thought we

575
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Speaker 1: would see spring college football gambling, but we get a

576
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Speaker 1: bunch of benefits from that, and anyone who push us

577
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Speaker 1: back on it, I'm not gonna listen to it for

578
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Speaker 1: more than two seconds because I just told you you

579
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Speaker 1: don't have to do it. You don't have to participate,

580
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Speaker 1: but if you do, we're gonna give you a lot

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Speaker 1: of incentive to do it. The third thing, this transfer

582
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Speaker 1: portal's got to have some control on it, so we're

583
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Speaker 1: gonna have windows. I think this is actually coming, whether

584
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Speaker 1: I say it or not. You're gonna have a window

585
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Speaker 1: after spring practice to transfer two weeks, three weeks whatever.

586
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Speaker 1: And you're gonna have a window after the regular season concludes,

587
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Speaker 1: two weeks, three weeks whatever. And that's gonna be it,

588
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Speaker 1: And the rest of the year will be spent whispering

589
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Speaker 1: about who may or may not go into the portal.

590
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Speaker 1: But we're not gonna have players leading teams during the season.

591
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Speaker 1: We're not gonna have players leaving teams in August. It's ridiculous.

592
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Speaker 1: I don't care how much money you're paid as a

593
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Speaker 1: head coach. At a certain point, it is so dumb

594
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Speaker 1: to look at a staff and say, you, guys make

595
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Speaker 1: a lot of money.

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Speaker 2: Deal with it. It doesn't make it. It doesn't matter how much.

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Speaker 1: Money they make that is not tied to calm and

598
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Speaker 1: sense practices. You don't get to insert ludicrous practices. But

599
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Speaker 1: then say, oh, but don't worry. They get paid a

600
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Speaker 1: lot of money, so it's fine. Now it's not fine.

601
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Speaker 1: So we would have windows for the transfer portal. I

602
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Speaker 1: would put a stop immediately to these needless.

603
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Speaker 2: Neutral site games.

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Speaker 1: If you are Oklahoma and Texas, yes I want you

605
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: to stay at the Cotton Bolt. If you're Georgia and Florida,

606
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 1: yes I want you to stay in Jacksonville. Although I

607
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: know I get some pushback on that game. But if

608
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Speaker 1: you are Georgia and Oregon, if it's not happening in

609
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Speaker 1: Autin Stadium or Sanford Stadium, I'm not for it. If

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Speaker 1: you are playing at a neutral site game where you

611
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Speaker 1: otherwise would be better served to be playing in your

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Speaker 1: home venue. Then I'm coming down with the full weight

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Speaker 1: and force of the Commissioner's office. I have no interest

614
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Speaker 1: in watching Texas A and m in Arkansas play in Arlington.

615
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Speaker 1: I want to see him in Fable and College Station.

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Speaker 1: I have no interest in watching Alabama and Miami play

617
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: in Mercedes Men's Stadium. I want to see Miami going

618
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Speaker 1: to Bryant Denny. I want to say, Bam, I go

619
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Speaker 1: down into hard Rock Stadium.

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Speaker 2: That's what I want to see.

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Speaker 1: So we would do that with neutral site games, and

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Speaker 1: on the NIL front, I would get smart and I

623
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Speaker 1: would get tactical. With an NIL approach, I would work

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Speaker 1: with conferences. I would also get some of the best

625
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Speaker 1: strategic minds in my office so that I constantly wasn't

626
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Speaker 1: on the defensive that we actually took a little proactive

627
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Speaker 1: approach in this kind of thing, and we had some

628
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Speaker 1: forward thinking minds in the room to where we're not

629
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Speaker 1: always reeling from this court decision or that court decision.

630
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Speaker 1: But also I would make it a point to emphasize

631
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Speaker 1: the NCAA is not your savior.

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Speaker 2: They're not going to help you out here. If you

633
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Speaker 2: want help.

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Speaker 1: If you're Greg Sake, if you're Jim Phillips, if you're

635
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Speaker 1: Kevin Warren. If you guys want help, you're going to

636
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Speaker 1: have to do it at the conference level. That means

637
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: you need to have well the commissioner of your conference

638
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: on board. I'm the commissioner of college Football. I'll be

639
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: there to help you out, but I'm just kind of

640
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: here to set guidelines. You have to take the initiative

641
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: in the action. You need your university presidents on board

642
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: first and foremost, and that's really one of the most

643
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Speaker 1: overlooked aspects of this whole thing. University presidents have to

644
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: do a really good job here. And then I would

645
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: loop our television partners in on the back end because

646
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Speaker 1: they play a large role.

647
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Speaker 2: In that too.

648
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Speaker 1: So schedule releases, we're doing them in the spring. I

649
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: would allow real spring games the transfer portal windows. We

650
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Speaker 1: would have two of them, and two of them only

651
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Speaker 1: per year. I am doing away with pointless neutral site games,

652
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Speaker 1: and we are going to get anil under control at

653
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Speaker 1: the conference level. Kids can make as much money as

654
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Speaker 1: they want, but we are not going to have it

655
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Speaker 1: erode the overall integrity of the sport and the process.

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Speaker 1: Those are hard and fast rules. We're not bending on those.

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Speaker 1: I am open to further suggestion. I was only asked

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Speaker 1: for five. That's why I only gave five. I could

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Speaker 1: give you like twenty. We could just do a weekly

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Speaker 1: College Football Comissioner Platform podcast in lieu of this.

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Speaker 2: One, really, if you wanted to.

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Speaker 1: Next up up, we're talking about non conference scheduling, but

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Speaker 1: we're kind of talking about it in a different manner.

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Speaker 2: So listen to this. Tell me what you think about this.

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Speaker 2: I'll be interested.

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Speaker 1: From Keller, Texas, Clayton asked, how do you feel about

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Speaker 1: college football adding a week per season of out of

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Speaker 1: conference games, kind of like the NFL does. Is that plausible?

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Speaker 1: So I'll just I'll tell you what he means here.

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Speaker 1: It's an idea that's been thrown around by several people,

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Speaker 1: and that is what if we carved out a week.

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Speaker 1: Let's say we took the first week of November, and

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Speaker 1: that was kind of like the bracketbuster is in college basketball,

674
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Speaker 1: where when you start the season you don't know who.

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Speaker 2: You're playing that week.

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Speaker 1: It kind of it's determined based on however you want

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Speaker 1: to determine it. So in college football, here's the idea

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Speaker 1: some people have had, what if we took teams and

679
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Speaker 1: we seeded them and then we matched them up, so

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Speaker 1: where the Big ten number one versus the SEC number

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Speaker 1: one plays the first week of November, Well, what that

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Speaker 1: would look like last year would have been I guess

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Speaker 1: Bama versus Ohio State at that time, or Bama versus Michigan,

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Speaker 1: and they would have just played. The pushback immediately on

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Speaker 1: that is from the high level programs and they're saying, wait,

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Speaker 1: we're going to have a tougher opponent than the worst

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Speaker 1: teams in our conference, so we're being punished for our success.

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Speaker 1: And the rebuttal would be, yeah, that's kind of how

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Speaker 1: it works. And there would be a half decent argument

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Speaker 1: about this. And the argument would be if you are

691
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Speaker 1: Alabama and you're complaining, the pushback would be, hold up, now,

692
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Speaker 1: this sport is tilted in your favor at every other turn.

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Speaker 1: You've earned it. You know, you've existed for one hundred years,

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Speaker 1: so you've earned the tilt of the sport. But nonetheless,

695
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Speaker 1: the sport is tilted. So you've got more of a

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Speaker 1: recruiting advantage than we do. You've gotten more of an

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Speaker 1: infrastructure advantage or resource advantage on institutional fan base advantage.

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Speaker 1: You've got all that stuff going for you, you know,

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Speaker 1: if I'm Kentucky, if I'm Zuri, Yeah, yeah, the schedule

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Speaker 1: is going to give me one edge on you per

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Speaker 1: year if we are in that six or seven or

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Speaker 1: eight seed position.

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Speaker 2: Deal with it. That's what the rebuttal would sound like.

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Speaker 1: I can tell you TV would be on board with this.

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Speaker 1: I think it would get majority approval from fans. Number one,

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Speaker 1: cause you just get a deeper inventory or catalog of games.

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Speaker 1: And also you're not going to feel sorry for Oklahoma

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Speaker 1: or Clemson or Ohio State or whoever's at the number

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Speaker 1: one position in the conference in the given year.

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Speaker 2: Also, it's good on good.

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Speaker 1: So you're seeing a number one seed from one conference

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Speaker 1: have to play a number one seed from another conference.

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Speaker 2: Here's I think what the drawback is. The drawback is.

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Speaker 1: In the functionality. How do you figure all this in?

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Speaker 1: Who partners with who?

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Speaker 2: See?

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Speaker 1: It takes collaborative effort. And right now, in case you

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Speaker 1: haven't been paying attention, these folks couldn't even get in

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Speaker 1: the same room and stay on the same page when

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Speaker 1: it came to how they want the playoff to work.

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Speaker 1: So you think, in good conscience, they're going to be

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Speaker 1: able to reach across the aisle and shake hands on

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Speaker 1: how they want the regular season schedule to work on

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Speaker 1: something that's far more multifaceted. Think about what that would be,

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Speaker 1: and then you have to worry about TV distribution and

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Speaker 1: revenue sharing. What I got news, our audience could probably

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Speaker 1: figure it out in like twelve hours, but I don't

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Speaker 1: think it's going to happen in.

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Speaker 2: This real college football world of ours. It would be fun, though,

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to deny that it would be fun.

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Speaker 1: Next up, Michael asked will college football ever expand to

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Speaker 1: play games internationally or simply expand its following on a

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Speaker 1: more global scales? Asking from Peenbrooke Pines, Florida. I think

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Speaker 1: there is already a little bit bigger international college football

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Speaker 1: audience than a lot of people realize. Sometimes when you're

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Speaker 1: looking at viewership metrics, when you're looking at the Nielsen's,

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Speaker 1: or when you're looking at some of the more modern

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Speaker 1: metrics that we use, I don't think that the international

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Speaker 1: audience is properly taken into account. In some cases, it's

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Speaker 1: not taking into account at all. But there's an age

741
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Speaker 1: old question with our sport with college football, that you

742
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Speaker 1: have to answer when you address this question, do you

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Speaker 1: start changing your sport, Like if you want to go

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Speaker 1: international with it, what do you have to change. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'll give you an example to start the season coming up.

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Speaker 1: Nebraska plays Northwestern, but they don't play in Northwestern or

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Speaker 1: Nebraska stadium. They play in I think Ireland. It's where

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Speaker 1: they're playing. So it's great for the folks in Ireland.

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Speaker 1: It's great for those fan bases who want to take

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Speaker 1: a trip. But I just want you to think about this.

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Speaker 1: I'm not knocking any international market or anything like that.

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Speaker 1: I just want you to think about this. What makes

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Speaker 1: college football great to you? And then I want you

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Speaker 1: to pause. You can just think about it if you're

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Speaker 1: driving around in a Lincoln, Nebraska, or maybe if you're

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Speaker 1: driving around in Champagne, Illinois, which is not where Northwestern

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Speaker 1: is located.

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Speaker 2: I just picked somewhere in the state.

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Speaker 1: I want you to answer that question and not too

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Speaker 1: far down the list. If you're like most of us,

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Speaker 1: one of the things you love about college football is

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00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: the end stadium atmosphere, is the traditions, the game.

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Speaker 2: They campus feel.

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Speaker 1: Well, you cannot have that if you're playing games internationally,

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Speaker 1: that's the very default. It's the same way neutral site.

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Speaker 1: I'm against the neutral site games in our own country.

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Speaker 1: So imagine how I feel about taking folks from Nebraska

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Speaker 1: and Illinois and then I put them over in Ireland

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Speaker 1: for a game. It's a great spectacle, but what are

770
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Speaker 1: we really gaining there and does it really grow the game?

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Speaker 1: Because I would argue anyone in Ireland who loves college

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Speaker 1: football or who is going to love college football, is

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Speaker 1: a lot more likely to love it because of the

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Speaker 1: unique factors that we have playing it here than they'll

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Speaker 1: ever have by a game happening to occur in their backyard.

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Speaker 1: Nobody's growing up in Ireland a Nebraska or Northwestern fam

777
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Speaker 1: so we're clearly just trying to take the game to them.

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Speaker 1: We're not trying to take a specific brand or school

779
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:03,240
Speaker 1: to them. Well, if they're going to be college football fans,

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00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: my argument is they're a lot more likely to watch

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00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 1: from afar and see this thing called college football they

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Speaker 1: have going on over in the United States and then

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Speaker 1: list the same things that we love about it. A

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Speaker 1: lot of you like f one racing, a lot of

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Speaker 1: you like European soccer, do.

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Speaker 2: You only like those things.

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Speaker 1: If Manchester United comes to Nashville and plays an exhibition match, no, no,

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Speaker 1: that's a nice cherry on top. But if you love

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Speaker 1: man you you love them because you have watched them

790
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: play from Afar and that thing they have going on

791
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: over there in Europe called soccer or football, it appealed

792
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: to you, and if you want to see it, chances

793
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 1: are you're going to pack up and you're going to

794
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Speaker 1: go over there to watch a game. So I just

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Speaker 1: anytime someone mentions international and college football, I always think,

796
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: and it may sound backwards, you know, maybe it's not

797
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: progressive enough for some people. I always think to myself,

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00:38:58,200 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: we need to keep the game right where it is,

799
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Speaker 1: and if you want to market it to the international audience,

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00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: then hey, it's great for a reason. I don't think

801
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Speaker 1: that it's greatness is relegated just to living inside the

802
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Speaker 1: continental of US. I think it would appeal to a

803
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 1: lot of folks. Maybe that's the answer market the game

804
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: abroad more effectively, But I don't think taking the game

805
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,280
Speaker 1: abroad is necessarily the answer there. That's my own personal

806
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: feel there.

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Speaker 2: I know we have disagreement. I've gone back and forth

808
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Speaker 2: with some of you about.

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00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: Wanting more of this, but also you got to keep

810
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 1: in mind you've got to lose a home game to

811
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Speaker 1: do this. You got to be willing to give up

812
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: a home game. A lot of you are paying a

813
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: lot of money in those season ticket packages, and what

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00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: if they send you a letter in the mail and

815
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: they say, thanks for your donation, here's your season ticket pack. Oh,

816
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: by the way, we're gonna go play a game in Sydney, Australia.

817
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: We're going to go play a game in France or

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Speaker 1: wherever you want to take the sport. You're having to

819
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: give something up, tangible that you only get eight of

820
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Speaker 1: or sometimes seven.

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Speaker 2: Of per year anyway.

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Speaker 1: So if that's what you're on board for, then sign up.

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Speaker 1: I just don't think enough people would be on board

824
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Speaker 1: for that. That's my only thing. We're at the back

825
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: half of the podcast, which is where we always put

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Speaker 1: the juicy nuggets. I know it's May, or now it's June.

827
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Speaker 1: I can tell you there is an unprecedented amount of

828
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Speaker 1: movement in our industry right now. This is always the

829
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Speaker 1: time that contracts stuff's happening, including with me. No update

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Speaker 1: as of yet. I'll tell you when I can, but

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Speaker 1: it's not just me. A lot of stuff's happening, a

832
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Speaker 1: lot of interesting things. I would just encourage you pay

833
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Speaker 1: attention to the landscape. If you hear people go silent,

834
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Speaker 1: if you notice hadn't heard from him or her for

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Speaker 1: a little while, it's probably because that's what's happening with them. Secondly,

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Speaker 1: we are rapidly approaching one hundred thousand subs on YouTube,

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Speaker 1: probably more rapidly than I thought. I maintain what I

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Speaker 1: have said. When we get to one hundred k, we

839
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Speaker 1: have surprises, maybe even plural surprises coming. So it's going

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Speaker 1: to directly impact you. I hope I haven't been unclear

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Speaker 1: on that, So make sure that you're sub there, but

842
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: also not just the YouTube channel, whether you're listening on

843
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: Spotify or listening on Apple or wherever you listen. On podcasts,

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Speaker 1: the numbers specifically for the podcast have really exploded. We're

845
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 1: seeing between two and three hundred percent year over year growth,

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Speaker 1: and those numbers are also mirrored on YouTube. My point

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Speaker 1: is we're doing numbers in the middle of what the

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Speaker 1: casuals would call the off season.

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Speaker 2: That should not be possible.

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Speaker 1: So I always thank you, I thank you every episode,

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Speaker 1: thank you for that I think we've established a culture

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00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: here where we're just doing it year round. So if

853
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 1: you're new, we're adding new listeners by the thousands. If

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00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: you're new and this is your first experience, this is

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00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 1: what this show is about. That's what our community Peyton State,

856
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: that's what we're about. And maybe there's some terminology that

857
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:50,879
Speaker 1: doesn't make sense to you if you're new here, it'll

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Speaker 1: make sense in time.

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Speaker 2: But hang around and get to know us. I think

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Speaker 2: you'll like what we do, and we think that we

861
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 2: give you everything on this show that you can need.

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00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 2: You don't need to go anywhere. We're gonna get you hooked.

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00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 1: Up with everything you need and then something to be

864
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Speaker 1: the most informed as you can be on this board,

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Speaker 1: and to have a little fun and be a.

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Speaker 2: Little part of something in the process.

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Speaker 1: So for director Colin, for producer Jesse, for our entire

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Speaker 1: team here, I'm Josh Paid. Thank you so much for listening,

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Speaker 1: sub take care and God bless